Monthly Spooky | Tasting Spirits, Mysterious Green Water, and the JERSEY DEVIL!

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What if you could not only see
ghosts, but taste them as well?

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How long could you live under water? And the Jersey Devil. It's not

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just a delicacy for the East Coast
anymore. Get County. It's monthly Spooky.

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Welcome my friends to another monthly spooky. I am, of course,

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Enrique here with my good buddy Michelle. Yeah that's where you say, that's

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it. You're just gonna give a
late Yeah. Yeah, that's I mean,

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what else do you want? I
mean, I guess, I guess

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I'll take what I can get.
This is the first time I've sat down

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to do any kind of show since
I got very, very sick. Oh

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oh, Like you didn't know.
I have like a stomach virus that I'm

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still fighting through it, but it's
pretty much gone. It's it's nearly gone.

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Like my system is still a little
messed up, but it's not as

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bad as it was. Um,
but it lasted like today is a week

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of feeling that way. Wow.
Yeah. And everybody said this inthing like

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are you gonna go to a doctor? And I'm like, I googled it

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and it said fourteen days or if
it gets worse. Wow, that's what

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it said, so, now I
would I would honestly be terrified if it

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got worse. That would be really
weird. Yeah. You know. Usually

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it's like by the time you fully
admit you're sick, that's when it's at

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its worst, and then it declines, you know. But I've never had

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a stomach bug not decline in three
days or less. Yeah, so that

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was it was not fun. Life
has not been like a wonderful, laughing,

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fun time. Yeah. So,
but I'm happy to be here with

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Michelle as she makes weird face,
is because I don't know what's going on

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over there. It's okay, it's
not important, okay, unless you want

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me to tell you. I guess
you could tell me what's going on over

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there. Oh, there's this wrend
These Wrends house friends had some babies and

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they're hanging out. And one of
them was just on my actual window,

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like trying to get in my house. These are birds. I hope.

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I don't know. I'm just saying
I hope they're birds. Yeah, I

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mean I think so. I mean
that's good enough for very small. Yeah,

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that's exactly the size they are.
I think. Okay, she held

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up her fingers. I don't think
people may notice that. So do you

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know why today is a very very
special day? No? This is the

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twelfth episode of Monthly Spooky, Oh
no, which means this will complete a

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year of you and I doing Monthly
Spooky together. Oh is that? Why

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are you saddened by that? I
don't know. I mean, I was

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gonna say, I'm pretty proud of
what we've pulled together. Oh well,

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I'm glad that you're proud of it. Geez, Okay, Well, I

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didn't realize it was going to be
so warm today. I could do better

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if you want. Yay, I
can't believe it. We made it through

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a whole year. That's pretty good. Was that that's pretty good about us?

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Or was that about your pretending to
care? I don't know the second

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one. Oh, okay, good. It's good to pat yourself on the

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back every now and then, you
know, well, to celebrate us having

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done a year's worth of these today. I don't know if you noticed I

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I again, I started redecorating the
crypt that we record in. Yeah,

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and I wanted this to make you
feel really at home. So I'm sure

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you were wondering when you first walked
in. But yes, I have made

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this room look like New Jersey where
you're from. I mean I noticed that

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it looks like I don't remember which
one it is, but you know that

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rest stop on the turnpike. That
was my That was my initial guidance was

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definitely anything off of ninety five or
the or the Parkway, especially, you

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know, I was trying to really
nail some Parkway vibes. Yeah, I

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definitely noticed. I don't know how
you got that corner of the room to

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look like South Orange, but it
really does, thank you. Yeah,

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I felt pretty good about it.
I did. I felt like I was

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trying to make sure it read as
Orange. So I put up that picture

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of Thomas Edison, Yeah, because
he lived in the Oranges. Yeah,

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exactly. So I feel like,
you know, we've got a nice Jersey

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thing going, and that's because I
wanted to celebrate our hard work together and

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you spending a year doing the show
with me every month, so I wanted

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to make it look like your home
of New Jersey. Yeah. I do

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appreciate that. And our topic for
this week is going to be the Jersey

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Devil. Oh, Okay, I
have opinions. I was hoping that that

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might be the case. So we
are a little bit later, after we

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get into the spooky news, we're
going to talk all about the Jersey Devil.

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And I'm excited because you have opinions
and thoughts and it won't just be

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me and my weird childhood, where
like I guess monsters existed all the time

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for some reason. I mean that, yeah, that's that is the way

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it went though. So but with
all that said, with that out of

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the way, how are you doing, Chell? Or what have you been

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up to? If you'd rather talk
about that? I don't like either of

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those. I mean, like,
I don't know. I everything's bad.

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A couple of days ago, I
got dressed and then I found an ear

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with crawling on my stomach. Oh
god, yeah, I guess he was

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in my shirt. Well you do
go hiking and stuff, okay, but

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I it was just a shirt that
was sitting in my bathroom. I didn't

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like go outside. MM is your
home buggy? Yeah? Yeah, mine

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mine is oddly not. I actually
found a bug in my bathroom yesterday and

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it completely confused me what kind of
bug? It was? Actually a roly

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pully? Oh yeah, sometimes I
just get in yeah, yeah, I

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can't even honestly, I can't even
tell you the last time I saw Rolie

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Polly in a house. Yeah,
so uh but yeah, it's just weird

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this house. I mean, I
keep the house as clean as I can

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muster, it's not a filthy place
at all, But we just don't get

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a lot of bugs. Yeah,
and I mean that's not even linked to

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it. Like an earwig they eat
like um, like decaying plant matter and

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stuff. So why it was in
my house? It heard you were a

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vegetarian. Yeah, well, I
mean he was in the bathroom, so

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I guess there's some like probably like
you know, like bathroom mold or something

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that he could eat or stuff like
that. I feel like you're intentionally avoiding

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the possibility that earwigs just like you. This is the first time. The

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last time something crawled out of my
shirt it was a stink bug. So

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oh well, I know stink bugs
like you. Oh yeah, there's a

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lot of them, So wasn't there
wasn't. It was like a few years

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back. They were just pernicious.
They were just everywhere. Yeah, yeah,

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all the time. It was like
nothing was fun about being outside because

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you would like you would be like, oh, I've got to paint a

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chair, so you'd like take a
chair in your backyard and you'd like spray

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paint it, and then you would
like turn your turn your head for eight

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seconds and turn back and it was
covered in stink bugs. You'd be like,

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oh right, nothing can exist outside
without stink bug involvement. Wow,

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that is not my experience. My
experience was a couple of years ago.

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They were all over inside my house
and they fly and then they just drop

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out of the sky and fall on
you. So and then one was on

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Yeah, what was the one did
you just say? I said one was

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on my pillow. Oh god,
I think more than one time that happened.

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One time I was walking down the
stairs and I put my hand on

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the railing and I squished one.
Ah yeah, and that made it stink

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right. Yes see, I'm a
I'm a little baby girl when it comes

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to this kind of stuff. Like
I do not do well with bugs.

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Oh, I like. I like
bugs, And usually if they're bugs that

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aren't annoying me, Like if it's
like a beetle, I'll just let it

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hang out in my house. That's
what it wants until you cat eats it.

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Yeah. Yeah, pigs likes eat
things. Hen Wolf will occasionally catch

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bugs, like they'll just fly by
your head and he's like, and just

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snatch them. We call them sky
raisins, just like a free little snack

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every now And I guess that's why
you don't any bugs. Maybe that's maybe

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that's a good girl, hen Wolf, good girls. She's asleep, like

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completely, I'm cold. Um,
but no, I luckily stink bugs were

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not a huge deal in the house. I mean I've gotten a few,

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um, but not a ton.
I think it has something to do with

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where we are more than anything,
because my mother has a beautiful, big

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house and it is insanely clean,
and they have bugs all the time.

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Yeah. I actually don't know why
your house doesn't have bugs in it.

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My experience with every house I've ever
been in is that it has they have

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bugs, Like I mean, I
see bugs occasionally, and I am somebody

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who lets the spiders chill for the
most part. I have a rule if

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if I find a spider on me, it's dead. No. But if

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I find a spider just like anywhere, just doing its own thing, I

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don't bother it at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not necessarily that

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like the spider I look over at
my arm and there's a spider arm and

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then I go like, you know, and then it becomes a courtroom and

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I'm like, you have been charged
with it's more. I go what and

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I hit it. Yeah, and
then I go, oh, well,

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I already came to peace with the
fact that that's what happens. Yeah,

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that's sorry, spider. If they
didn't want to get smashed, then they

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should respect property rights. I guess. I mean that's I'm just saying that

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would be for their own safety as
much as anything. Yeah, yeah,

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I guess that's true. I mean
a little harsh the way you're not backing

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me up on this, But I'm
just not sure they understand English. They

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don't. That's why you have to
use actions. That's why every spider you

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kill, you have to put it
on a little toothpick and sit it in

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the front yard so all the other
spiders can see. Yeah, impaler shit

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right there. Yeah yeah, but
uh well, I'm sorry about the earwig.

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I don't know anything about earwigs.
I don't have I ever seen an

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earwig. You can look it up. They're kind of long, and they're

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dark color, and they have a
big pincher on their back. Oh yeah,

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Oh yeah, I've seen them.
Not I don't think i've seen one

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in my house. Do they will
they hurt you? No? Apparently they

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can pinch you with their pincher,
but it doesn't really hurt that much.

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M m. They're they're like all
over outside, so I guess every once

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in a while one just kind of
comes in and I that makes that makes

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sense? I mean, it must
have been nice to have a guest.

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Yeah, I mean I just threw
him back outside. I like him,

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and did you? But most important, did you yell eat when you?

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When you? Oh? Well,
then he's gonna come right back. Oh

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man, he's like, you removed
me, but you did not eat men

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rookie, that's a rookie mistake.
So well, we're gonna go to a

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quick break and then we're gonna come
back and cover some interesting spooky news that

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I have been very excited to share
with you. Okay, right after this

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and we're back and shell you want
to do the honors? Yay, it's

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time for the spooky news. Oh
okay, we're gonna do the spooky news.

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Now. I don't think it's gonna
trigger unless you say it right.

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Oh okay, it's time for the
spooky news. It worked, It worked.

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What what you just? You just
didn't want to hear it. It's

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not that I edited in post or
something quiet you. I don't want to

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hear any more of your junk.
All right, So our first piece of

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spooky news comes from Believe it or
not mirror dot co dot uk, a

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website that I've been told is normal
news, but I've only found stories about

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ghosts. The headline is I stayed
the night in Coco Chanelle's abandoned mansion.

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What I heard gave me goosebumps.
Oh okay, yeah, are you?

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Are you spooked? No? But
who knows? But but but who can

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say? Coco Chanelle lived in the
mansion in the night, excuse me,

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in the nineteen twenties with lover Hugh
Grosvenor. Actually I think I said that

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right. But it was abandoned in
nineteen sixty seven and has been visited several

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times over the years by ghost hunters. Oh okay, well, let's let's

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find out what happened the news.
I'm looking at the first images like an

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ad for like gutter Systems, and
for a second I thought this very average

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American home with a guy pulling a
gutter off? Was Coco Chanelle's mansion be

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like, well, I guess by
nineteen twenties standards, that's a really nice

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mansion. What kind of looks like
my house? A YouTuber who spent the

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night at Coco Chanelle's abandoned mansion in
the Scottish Highlands reported several things going bump

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in the night. The property,
known as Rosehall House, was home to

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the founder of Chanell, and she
lived there in the nineteen twenties with her

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lover Hugh Grossvenor. Yeah it's Grosvenor. Is it terrible? I assumed Chanel

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Coco Chanelle was a man and that
he was just, you know, gay,

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because he founded Chanell. Um.
I don't know. I knew that

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Coco Chanel was a woman. I
only have heard the name. I didn't

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really know anything about Coco Chanelle.
So okay, well, muzzle taf to

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her. Then she's She's kicked a
lot of butt in the industry. So

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how much? What's your favorite Chanel
item? By the way to the really

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good one that everybody likes? Oh
yeah, yeah, I've heard a lot

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of people really like that might even
be everybody? Yeah, Oh well good,

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I know how much you like to
stay on fleek with that kind of

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Chanel and m Armani. You're big
on Imporio Armani, which is I love

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because they don't even make a lot
of women stuff. And you're like,

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I don't care. I know it
looks good on me. Yeah, I

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love it. I love it expensive
taste, but I can appreciate it.

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Uh. It has how several big
names in the past, including Winston Churchill,

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but has been uninhabited since nineteen sixty
seven. Oh. The home contains

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twenty two bedrooms and was originally built
in eighteen seventy three after a house on

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the same site was destroyed in a
blazing fire. Oh why does that bother

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you so much? Oh? No, I just felt bad for the house,

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the one that burned down. Yeah. Well, for the record,

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I mean, if the house,
if the house that burned down was built

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prior to eighteen seventy three, it
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mean maybe, but that we can't
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you know, it's be on the
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It was recently visited by urban explorer
Just an urban explorer Matt from YouTube

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channel finders beepers. No, no, because he doesn't have a last name

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or anything, because I wonder if
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literally like like at mirrored at like
news places in general? Is this what

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happens now? Is this why almost
all stories or YouTube or TikTok is It's

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like you're sitting at your desk just
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this is this is news now?
Because I don't want to get fired,

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so I'm gonna um, but I
love it's just Matt from YouTube channel

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finders beepers. Uh like, no
last name, no nothing nowhere he's from

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who spent a haunting night at the
house. Um, I'm gonna show you

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Chell some pictures of the house,
some interior shots. So um if the

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ads won't get in the way.
Uh so, look at that. It's

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pretty in bad shape right now.
I'm I mean, what over lots of

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bad things can happen when a house
is empty for over fifty years, I

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would assume, yeah, so,
uh yeah, it's definitely seen better days.

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As a professional home inspector, what
do you see wrong with these two

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photos? Well, I mean there's
a big hole in the floor. But

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that's the first thing that jumps out
of me. See, that's why people

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pay you to look at their houses, because I would have looked at him.

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so yeah, that's um. Yeah. What we're seeing is like it looks

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like walls are just rotting away,
holes and floors. It looks like it's

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secluded enough that nobody's really like,
you know, defaced it or anything.

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It's just sitting in the earth is
just taking it back. Yeah, he

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said. Quote, I was on
the on the edge. I was on

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edge from the second I got out
of the car, and the anxiety,

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anxiety built with every second of my
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someone dragging something across the floor,
and it sent shivers down my spine,

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leaving me with chicken skin. This
is what this guy said. I would

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you just imagine it was like a
bowl full of chicken skins, like chicken

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skins, but like he put them
on his arms. Oh god, that's

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a mortifying image in my head.
Thank you for that. What crown man

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says, leaving me with chicken skin. I guess someone who's not who's from

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a area of the world that speaks
English slightly differently than we do. Oh

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the worst parts of the world.
Actually, I mean, goosebumps do kind

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of look like chicken skal They totally
do a few when they're plucked. Yeah,

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which is, you know, not
the normal way of a chicken,

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but fine, the normal way that
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I was tempted to leave, but
I thought, no, I'm here now,

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so I may as well rambo it. I kind of want to check

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out this guy's YouTube channel now,
just to hear quote. I love the

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history of this place, thinking iconic
people such as Coco Chanelle and Winston Churchill

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have walked the same corridors and slept
in the bedrooms. I heard so many

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noises, from tapping on walls to
what sounded like something large being dragged across

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the main room floor. If I
thought this place was spooky in the daylight,

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it was next level scary at nighttime. Yeah oo oh, I should

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I should show you another. So
here's another image of inside. You know,

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it doesn't really look that bad.
No, no, but it doesn't

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look that good either. I mean, it looks like it could be just

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like a room and somebody's like getting
all their possessions together. They're getting ready

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to move out. Yeah yeah,
I mean and haunted. So continuing,

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the article says miss Channel was the
Duke's lover between nineteen twenty four and nineteen

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thirty, and she spent several summers
in the Highlands Retreat, redecorating every room

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in handsome floral wallpaper inspired by her
flat in Paris. Yeah fancy yeah.

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Scraps of the French designer's hand blocked
wallpaper can still be seen in the twenty

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two rooms. While Winston Churchill stayed
there in nineteen twenty eight as he recovered

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from illness. Oh, I mean, I'm guessing. Knowing the quotes and

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stuff of Winston Churchill, I'm guessing
his illness was he was sick of everybody's

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shit. Yeah yeah, I want
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I think you can be. Oh
that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said

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to me. Thank you. Rosehall
has been uninhabited since nineteen sixty seven and

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is on Scotland's Register of High Risk
Properties with extensive dry rot. What kind

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of what kind of register is this? Scotland's Register of High Risk Properties?

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High Risk properties with extensive dry rot. That's such a well. Now it's

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Scotland's Register of High Risk Properties COMMA
with extensive extensive dry rot. So I

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don't think the list is just houses
with extensive dry rot, but that the

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extensive dry rot is why this house
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I mean maybe, or I guess
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and you go the other parts still
kind of weird. Yeah, no,

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it is kind of weird. The
abandoned house was due to become a hotel

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in twenty fourteen, but previous negotiations
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most expensive properties in Scotland when it
was marketed back in two and fifteen.

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Rosehall House finally sold at the end
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for four years. However, renovation
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Oh oh, that's the scariest part
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the contractors haven't done anything yet.
Oh I'm sorry if that was too scary

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for our listeners. Yeah, I
apologize. I should have given a warning

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about discussion of contractors. Matt added. One aspect he disliked was the amount

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of vandalism in the home. Okay, I was wrong, he added quote,

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I was appalled by the amount of
I should just I should just write

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news articles. That's like one of
those jokes you do where you have narration

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be what the person is saying,
he felt tired from the whole experience.

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I just feel tired from the whole
experience, like Matt added. One aspect

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he disliked was the amount of vandalism
in the home. He added, I

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was appalled by the amount of vandalism, theft, and damage since the last

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time I visited. I wish people
could just enjoy these places instead of ruining

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them. And that's all he had
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ghosts were not that big a deal. Yeah, I mean I would be

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more worried about the condition of the
home than the ghost because it sounds like

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he just heard some things that he
didn't know what they were. Yeah.

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I just think it's funny he's like, oh, the vandalism, I'm

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trespassing. I got the vibe he
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vibe might have had permission, but
maybe, I mean maybe maybe not.

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I don't know. Maybe that's just
a lawless hellscape in Scotland. If you're

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in Scotland listening to this, let
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We want to know. So this
next story is from HuffPost dot com

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and it has a like the best
beginning of a headline you could ever see.

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Florida man makes big splash by setting
record for living underwater. What.

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Yeah, I wanted to read this
because we talked about that woman who lived

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in a cave and stuff like that. So this guy, Joseph Dituri Ditterie,

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Ditterie, It's did Auri Ditteruri.
Yep, that's how I said.

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Plans to stay at a lodge for
deep sea divers until June ninth, which

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would be one hundred days underwater.
A university professor broke a record for the

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longest time living underwater without deep pressurization
this weekend at a Florida Keys lodge for

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scuba divers. Joseph Deterren Joseph detre
seventy fourth day residing in Jules Undersea Lodge,

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situated at the bottom of a thirty
foot deep lagoon in Key Largo,

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wasn't much different than his previous days
there, since he submerged March. First,

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how do you feel about staying?
How far was that again? Thirty

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feet deep for many days? How
do you feel about that there's a hotel

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under water? Yeah, that's so
cool. How did you not know that?

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I don't know. You seriously didn't
know about Jules's law Undersea Lodge.

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No, I never heard of it. I didn't Buddy knows about Jules's Undersea

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Lodge. I Frank Frank personally,
I always order the flon It's very very

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good. Oh really, I didn't
know that they had a good restaurant too.

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I mean, I guess, I
mean I would call it. I

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would call it four stars, but
five stars for underwater options. Wow,

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you know, because you have to
take that into account too, like what

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else is around? You know?
Like how does the pressure affect cooking at

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You know, those things are important, they matter so anyway, Deturi,

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who also goes by the Moniker Doctor
Deep Sea, I got nothing on that.

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I'm just gonna let that go in. A protein heavy meal of eggs

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and salmon prepared using a microwave,
exercised with resistance bands, did his daily

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push ups, and took an hour
long nap. Unlike a submarine. The

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lodge does not use technology to adjust
for the increased water pressure. Oh,

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I mean, I guess that makes
sense. Sounds I mean, it's thirty

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feet deep, so it's like it's
not that dangerous. Maybe. Yeah,

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Oh he died. Never mind,
No, I'm just kidding up, just

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reading for Oh, never mind,
he's dead. No. The previous record

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of seventy three days, two hours, and thirty four minutes was set by

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two Tennessee professors, Bruce Cantrell and
Jessica Faine at the same location in two

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and fourteen. But Deturrey isn't just
setting settling for the record and resurfacing.

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He plans to stay at the lodge
until June ninth, when he reaches one

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hundred days and completes an underwater mission
dubbed Project Neptune one hundred. Okay,

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scientists are nerds. I love it. I love it. Nerd lingers like

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one hundred percent love it. His
research includes daily experiments in physiology to monitor

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how the human body responds to long
term exposure to extreme pressure. Quote.

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The idea here is to populate the
world's oceans, to take care of them

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by living in them and really treating
them well. Deturrey said, how do

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you feel would you live in the
ocean? I'm so confused. Okay,

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what what what? What? What
is it? Why would that be helpful

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if we lived in the ocean?
Um? I mean because if we lived

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in the oceans, it would be
easier to maintain them, to keep them.

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Why why are we what? What? What? Why not? Why

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why are we just going around like
what are we like cleaning the ocean?

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I'm confused. I mean, I
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like, oh, humanity is so

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terrible. I don't see anybody else
doing anything good, cleaning up things,

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banning plastic straws. You know,
I don't see anybody else doing anything good.

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That's all I'm saying is that's true. Those India elephants are just like

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so superior to everybody, But you
never see them cleaning baby seals when there's

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crude oil on them. Granted we
put the crude oil there. I'm not

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debating that, but we're cleaning up
the mess. You're right? If sorry?

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Please sorry? No, if if
they cared so much about their environment,

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they would they would work to fix
it the problems. Yeah, losers.

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So but no, so I get
what he's saying though, people who

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want to like heavily research the ocean
and want to heavily research how to improve

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living the just the oceanic space,
you know, where the things live and

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everything it would be if you could
live there, you could get a lot

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more accomplished. That's definitely true.
Yeah, no, I would agree with

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that. Um. I'm actually I'm
sure this this article is a little bit

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old because it's after the time he
said he was going to come. Yeah,

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and he did it. He made
it one hundred days. Okay,

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good, because like I'd be really
concerned about him with that pressure, Like

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that's that's a big deal. Didn't
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pressure. Didn't take it well press
Oh man, we could have had a

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really good copyright strike. Okay.
Uh, but no, I think that's

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what he means by populate the world's
oceans is with researchers and stuff. I

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can't imagine that the average person would
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I mean, if I wasn't afraid
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my body and life span and stuff
like that, I'll underwater for sure.

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There are some studies suggesting it's going
to extend lifespans. Yeah yeah. I

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read a very brief article saying that
that one of the effects on his body

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was that it caused the body to
generate stuff that it barely generates when you're

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older. I'd have to read into
it more. Don't believe anything I say.

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By the way, this is a
show for entertainment, and I'm an

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idiot, so uh. The outreach
portion of if Deterre's mission includes conducting online

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classes and broadcast interviews from his digital
studio beneath the sea. That's exactly what

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I would do if I was like, I'm gonna be under the ocean for

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a hundred days. I built a
podcast studio down there, so don't worry,

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You're not gonna miss out on any
of me. During the past seventy

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four days he was reached. He
has reached over two thousand, five hundred

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students through online classes and marine science
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at the University of South Florida.
Oh wow. Yeah. While he says

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he loves living under the ocean,
there is one thing he really misses.

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The sun under the sea. Okay, the quote the thing that I miss

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the most about being on the surface
is literally the sun. Yeah you did

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it. You did a good job. You did a good job, did

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Terry said, quote, the sun
has been a major factor in my life.

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Well, you're special in that.
It's not the it's not the cause

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of all life for anything. The
sun has been a major, a major

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factor in my life. I usually
go to the gym at five and then

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I come back out and watch the
sun rise. Oh what a romantic anyway,

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I'm living underwater now, good for
him. I'm sc quote. The

405
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.240
record is a small bump, and
I really appreciate it, said to Terry.

406
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.720
A university Why is it saying telling
us who he is? Again,

407
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.640
That's okay, they don't know what
they're doing. University of South Florida educator

408
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.400
who holds a doctorate in biomedical engineering
and is a retired US Naval officer.

409
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.839
Quote, I'm honored to have it, but we still have more science to

410
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.279
do. Okay. I changed my
opinion of him. Yeah, because he

411
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.920
actually has a lot of credentials.
It sounds like, so I'm gonna be

412
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.759
like, Okay, he probably knows
what he's doing. It's not like it's

413
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:46.839
just a guy like me being like, I'm gonna live underwater now. Yeah?

414
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.480
Yeah, I mean I would be
more like David Blaine sitting at the

415
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:57.480
bottom of a swimming pool. Waw
waw. I like David Blaine because he's

416
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:02.000
a stunt guy like stunts. Do
you like stunts? They're okay, yeah,

417
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.799
fine, okay, Well that's our
ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one.

418
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.799
But we're gonna go to a quick
break and we'll be back with even

419
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:27.519
more spooky news. It's good to
be back, probably with some more spooky

420
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:32.200
news, right Chell, Sure,
okay, fine, fine, So,

421
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.440
so I got a question for you, Chell. No, oh okay,

422
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.799
you can ask yeah, okay,
no, when you die, do you

423
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.039
want to be buried, cremated that
donated to science? What do you want

424
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:52.200
done with your corpse? Um?
I'm not sure. Maybe the thing where

425
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.599
you put me on a mound and
then the vulgers come and eat me.

426
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.359
Oh okay, that's very old school. I like that. Yeah, yeah,

427
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.480
okay, I like that. So
you have no desire to have a

428
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.159
coffin, be put in a coffin
and anything like that. I definitely don't

429
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.559
want to be buried. That is
the one thing that I don't want.

430
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.559
Why is that sounds bad? Sounds
bad? Like? How because I don't

431
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:22.079
like? I don't. First of
all, it does. It's not good.

432
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.039
Would you find giving a little bit
more detail than that, it's like

433
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.880
not really good for the environment,
you know, like break down that good.

434
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.639
I'm scared of worms. I don't
like any of that. Okay,

435
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.119
you're scared of worms me too,
Yeah, I don't like one. Then

436
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:45.159
they're all long. Have you heard
the stories about coffins exploding underground because of

437
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.599
the decay. No, but that
would make sense, yeah, because a

438
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.639
lot of them are air tight.
Yeah, doesn't make any Like I don't

439
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.679
understand that being a selling point,
like, oh please, because you don't

440
00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.159
want the things to get in the
underground things. But like that's just what

441
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.280
is going to happen when you're buried
underground. No, No, that's why

442
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.320
you buy a coffin so they don't
get in. But they do get in,

443
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.119
no they I mean to me,
it seems like the morbid but honest

444
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.000
way to be would be and it's
this beautiful mahogany with holes to allow things

445
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.199
to come in and start eating your
loved one as soon as possible. Yeah,

446
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.760
yeah, like because that's what's going
to happen. Like I get.

447
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.840
Frankly, the thing that's always confused
me about coffins is I get the ornate

448
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.840
nous. Like I totally get that, Like people want to look at something

449
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.119
nice, you know they loved one. It's no, I get it because

450
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.159
it's like an old ritual and like
you know what I mean, that's what

451
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.480
I'm saying. I get that.
I mean I get that too, because

452
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.559
you don't want to just like have
like a I'm trying to think of a

453
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.800
yeah and be like there is it's
just with Amazon scratched out of the sun.

454
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.039
Yeah, it's not that bad for
the person because they're dead, but

455
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.199
for their loved ones. Yeah,
I feel like you cheaped out on the

456
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.719
funeral and you're like, what it
was, totally don't luck. I bought

457
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.400
a refrigerator on Amazon a week before
Uncle Tom died. Okay, shut up,

458
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.880
no, no, Like my point
is I get wanting it to look

459
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.960
beautiful. What I don't get is
that they actually make it look They make

460
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.440
it look beautiful by making it like
actually insanely high quality. So what actually

461
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.800
costs like seven or eight, ten
thousand dollars, that's the part I don't

462
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.760
get. I would I would think
you should build it like a television or

463
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.079
a movie set. It should look
gorgeous and actually be made out of crap

464
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:37.159
because it doesn't matter. Yeah,
they should make it out of um OSB

465
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.239
oriented strand board, which is it's
good. It's we use it for like

466
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.639
sheathing and stuff now. But like, I don't think it's supposed to get

467
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.760
wet, so it's perfect. You'll
just kind of like break down, yeah,

468
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:52.559
which is what it's going to do. Yeah, So that's all I'm

469
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.519
saying is like I feel like it
should all be spent on case in casing

470
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.960
it so that it looks very nice. But it also should not be ten

471
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.679
grand. It should be much less
because there's no reason for it to actually

472
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.960
be a solid piece of furniture.
Yeah. I'm sure the tree doesn't appreciate

473
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.119
you're cutting it down and shoving an
underground like that. Well did you know

474
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.280
that when you're cremated, by almost
every state law, you have to be

475
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.239
in a you have to be inside
of a of some kind of a thing

476
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.320
like a container. That's the word
I was looking for. You have to

477
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:32.440
be inside a container. And most
people would expect like maybe a big cardboard

478
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.559
box, and they do do that, and that costs like five or six

479
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.320
hundred dollars because it's a very big, very sturdy cardboard box. People will

480
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:49.440
actually pay for real coffins that are
like six thousand dollars to be used to

481
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.119
cremate people. But then, how
do you know which parts of it are

482
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.679
your loved one and which parts of
it are like a piece of a tree.

483
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.400
Well that's always been the question,
how especially considering that they really just

484
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.480
barbecue you for like forty five minutes
and then they grind it all up.

485
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.760
Anyway, Yeah, I like I
like the kind of like the Japanese in

486
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.559
some Asian countries where they like they
cremate you, but the bones are still

487
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.599
left and then you then your loved
ones have to come pick the bones out.

488
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.400
Oh yeah, did you see that
in an anime or something? Um?

489
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.280
Maybe, but it's like a thing, it's like part of it,

490
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.760
Like you come and then you take
out the remaining bones and stuff. It's

491
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.760
like a thing you do for your
loved ones. And Bruce Lee fights back

492
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.119
from the grave, which I always
often quote as being very interesting and very

493
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:45.320
full of culture. Um, it's
a very cheesy bee movie, but he

494
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:51.159
because the movie's made by Koreans.
There's like a part where he gets the

495
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.039
bones out of a pile of ashes
and they put all of it in a

496
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.519
box that he wears around his neck
and they just play it like it's completely

497
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.960
normal. And knowing what we that
we what we know about cultures now,

498
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.559
especially with the Internet, it's like, oh, yeah, that's just a

499
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.519
weird culture thing. But what do
people think watching that in like a scummy

500
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.840
theater in nineteen eighty three, Like
they must have just been like, WHOA

501
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.360
did I take the acid? I
thought I chose not to take the acid,

502
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.039
But then again, maybe that's the
acid talking. So anyway, this

503
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:29.920
was not a random flight of rabidity. By the way, um, this

504
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:35.960
is a news story from wibw dot
com. Woman presumed dead tries to break

505
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:42.840
out of her coffin during wake well. Michelle's gesturing that this is why you

506
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.760
don't be in a coffin, because
then if you were still alive, you're

507
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.159
gonna be dead anyway, at least
if you're burned, you're you're totally dead.

508
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.119
That's true. Well, have you
ever heard that that joke about the

509
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.119
two Hillbillies in the woods. The
two hillbillies are out in the woods hunting,

510
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.280
and uh, one of the hillbilly
starts like freaking out and grabbing his

511
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.440
chest and he has a heart attack. He falls down dead, and his

512
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.000
buddy like walks up and is like
checking him. He's not breathings. He

513
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.679
calls nine one one on a cell
phone and nine one one's like, nine

514
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:10.880
one one, you know, how
can we help you. He's like,

515
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.000
my friend, I think he had
a heart attack and died out in the

516
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.280
woods. I need you. I
need an ambulance or something right now.

517
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.960
And she's like, okay, sir, please calm down, take a deep

518
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.880
breath before anything else. Can you
make sure that he's dead? Bang?

519
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:39.639
Okay? Now what? Oh English
is a living language. Okay. So

520
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.440
so during the wake, seventy six
year old Bella Montoya. Okay, that

521
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.840
just is about a badass name,
Bella Montoya. That's gonna be my drag

522
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.400
name, Bella Montoya. Um,
I mean, with all respect um was

523
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:59.199
was hitting the coffin trying to get
out. Oh boy. So this was

524
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:07.840
in Ecuador, okay, so yikes. Mourners were left stunned when a woman

525
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.559
knocked on her coffin during her own
wake. A seventy six year old woman

526
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.280
in Ecuador was declared dead at a
hospital over the weekend after a possible stroke

527
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.440
and cardiac arrest. But during the
wake, Bella Montoya was hitting the coffin

528
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.599
trying to get out. Oh good, she was taken back to the hospital.

529
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.000
That's good as a faither they took
her to McDonald's, although I would

530
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.880
be hungry. Yeah, have you
ever seen, by the way, have

531
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.480
you ever seen the kill Bill movies? I think I saw a part of

532
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.519
the first one, so you never
saw the second one, because the bride

533
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.000
gets buried alive in the second one, and basically she figures out how to

534
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:52.840
punch her way out of her coffin, which is not really coffin, it's

535
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.039
like a box. But she figures
out to punch her way out by like

536
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.639
they do this whole thing where she
flashes back to learning how to punch from

537
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.679
one in chaway really hard and then
shows her like doing that until it breaks

538
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.000
through. But the great thing is
so she digs her way out of the

539
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.960
grave and like climbs out of the
dirt and is covered in dirt, and

540
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.119
as she's walking across the street from
the cemetery. Dirt is just pouring off

541
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.920
of her and pouring off of her
and pouring off of her. And then

542
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.360
she walks across the street. There's
just a diner. She walks into the

543
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.880
diner, sits down, covered in
dirt, and everyone in the diner could

544
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.199
see that she like rose from the
grave. And she just sits down and

545
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.719
puts her arms across the table very
politely and goes, I would like a

546
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.440
glass of water, please. And
I always always think of that when I

547
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:43.440
think of somebody escaping from from their
grave. Her current condition is unknown.

548
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:49.440
The Ministry of Public Health said,
estate investigation is now under way. Wow,

549
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.719
and that's that's all there is right
now. But I found that to

550
00:42:52.800 --> 00:43:00.679
be a very spooky, like that
is the definitive spooky news kind of story.

551
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:05.599
Yeah, so I feel like that
was the way to go. Yeah,

552
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.320
So let's go to something a little
less terrifying but also maybe terrifying,

553
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.239
where you and me, Chell,
we're gonna take a little trip to Venice.

554
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:22.559
Really not literally, but inns.
A fluorescent green Venice canal is beguiling

555
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.400
residents. Police are on the case. This is from NPR. Something's in

556
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:34.559
the water of Italy Italy's famed Grand
Canal. In Venice, Venetians woke up

557
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.119
to a MYSTERI that just makes me
think they're blinds, like the Venetians.

558
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:43.400
I'm like, ah, yes,
yes, blinds, very good. Venetians

559
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.400
woke up to a mysterious patch of
fluorescent green in the central water on Sunday.

560
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.559
The verdant stretch hugged an embarked embankment
near the Rialto Bridge and appeared to

561
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.119
spread as the day went on.
Based on images posted to social media,

562
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.159
what do you think this is?
Do you have any any early theories?

563
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.400
Probably food coloring, right, I
mean it very likely food coloring. I

564
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:10.599
mean ecto cooler. Yeah, it
is a fluorescent green. The photo makes

565
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.679
it look very fluorescent. Yeah,
kind of like a reminds me of Surge.

566
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.559
I'm sure you drank your share of
Surge. Sure you didn't drink Surge.

567
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:30.360
No police, What are you gonna
say? Oh? I was going

568
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.760
to say, you seem to think
I'm a lot cooler than I am.

569
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.079
You are cool. We even get
messages from people saying you're cool. No,

570
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.519
we I showed you one. Yeah, I know, but it was

571
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:49.400
just one time, so one time
recently? You mean, yeah, now

572
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.639
you're gonna make me read it.
No, sorry about you. No,

573
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.159
No, I mean you might be
in luck. I may not be able

574
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.039
to find it in a in a
quick and timely manner. Uh, because

575
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:07.199
we had a fan leave a comment
on Instagram. Oh that's where it was.

576
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.480
Yeah, Amy, that is me
said, I'm just gonna leave this

577
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.679
here. I love that. I
love that. I'm just gonna leave this

578
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.559
here. I'm a big fan of
weekly spooky and I especially love monthly Spooky

579
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.440
episodes. It's so cool hearing the
spooky news. I mean, what's that's

580
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:27.320
the best kind of news. Yeah, unless you're an old lady. What

581
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.360
was it? What was her?
Bella Montoya? Yeah, that's so cool.

582
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.039
I feel like there should be like
an awesome music stab, Like every

583
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.800
time you say Bella Montoya, you
should make one and put it in there.

584
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.639
I can't because I've already referenced it
as a joke. Um, please

585
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:49.639
tell Michelle how awesome she is.
She's so funny and entertaining without trying.

586
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.559
She's great. Keep the spooky news
coming. I wasn't going to read that

587
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.480
on the show and embarrass you like
that, But you had to go and

588
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:04.079
talk smack about my best friend.
That's you. So sorry homie, No,

589
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.360
but thank you. That was really
nice. And also I try so

590
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.480
hard. Well, the best,
the best compliment you can get is is

591
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.480
it's like you're not even trying.
Well, unless they're complaining, that's a

592
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:21.239
whole Yeah, it's like you're not
even trying. That's one where where tone

593
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.440
of voice changes everything. It's like
you're not even trying. Thank you.

594
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.239
It's like you're not even trying.
Oh sorry, so good anyway, especially

595
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:36.079
when you are trying and it's like
I'm trying so hard and it looks like

596
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:42.960
I'm not even trying. Ever.
Police are investigating the origin of the liquid

597
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.719
after residence reported the spectacle to authorities
on Sunday morning. Luca Zayah, the

598
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.920
governor of the Veneto region, said
on Twitter. Italy's Fire and Rescue agency

599
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:58.239
said it's working with local environmental officials
to identify the substance from collected samples of

600
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:02.559
the water. A range of theories
have surfaced online, with some speculating algae

601
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:10.239
growth and others pointing the finger at
environmental activists. Was damn environmental activists.

602
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.719
Well, they do sometimes do weird
things to draw attention. They could have

603
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.679
dumped a buttload of totally safe green
food dye into the water to show that

604
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.480
like anybody can dump whatever they want
in the water and you can't really catch

605
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.960
them or whatever. Well, I
hope, I hope it's not dumb,

606
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.280
because that sounds dumb. Oh,
it definitely sounds dumb. I was,

607
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.639
I was. I was explaining how
a stupid thing happens, not how smart

608
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:44.000
it was. Oh, City council
and Andrea Pegana Pegararo man, Why am

609
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.760
I? I'm terrible with Italian names, decent with French names, excellent with

610
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:59.079
Spanish names, La Montoya. Who
have who have been targeting Italian cultural sites

611
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.599
in recent months? Oh yeah,
so city council and Andrea peg pego RaRo

612
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.320
blamed climate activists. That's a city
councilman said that blamed climate activists who have

613
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:19.880
been targeting Italian cultural sites in recent
months. Oh, the group Ultima Generaziona

614
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.920
Generazione, which has poured charcoal into
fountains in Rome at least three times since

615
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:31.599
April and protest told the network that
the green coloring quote wasn't us. Okay,

616
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.000
it wasn't them, Then it wasn't
me. Yeah, it wasn't me.

617
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.719
This is the most I've talked to
another human being since I got horribly

618
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.039
sick. This is a very exciting
time for me. The timing of the

619
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:52.000
Emerald patch also aroused suspicion. The
Voga Loga rowing regatta, in which amateur

620
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:59.199
crews finished along the Grand Canal,
took place over the weekend. The amateur

621
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.360
boat event aims to celebrate the Venetian
Lagoon environment, as well as to protest

622
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:09.920
wave motion from the excessive motor boat
traffic that riles the city. For many.

623
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.159
The bright green waters called to mind
a nineteen sixty eight exploit by echo

624
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:21.840
artist Nicolas Garcia. I'm actually saying
that right, I'm pretty sure. According

625
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:28.239
to the Metropolitan Museum Metropolitan Museum of
Art, or Burro colored the waters of

626
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:34.400
Venice of the Venice Grand Canal that
year with a neon green dye called Fluorescian

627
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:42.000
to promote environmental awareness. Okay,
so what's your take on this? I

628
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.400
don't know. I think it was
a prank, A prank by environmentalists.

629
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:50.639
No, just by some dude or
something. Oh, why's it got to

630
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.320
be a dude? Women can't do
stupid things like this, I just said.

631
00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.400
Or some woman? Huh? Yeah, I feel like you're making this

632
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.800
about You're making this about sex when
it doesn't need to be. Yeah,

633
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.639
you're right, I'm sorry. Yeah
you should feel bad. No, So

634
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.800
no, so you think it was
just some random prank. Yeah, I

635
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.280
mean I don't know. After hearing
that, like stuff like this kind of

636
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.280
happens in Italy, it is making
me wonder if it's if it's not.

637
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.119
In my opinion, if it isn't
somebody who's trying to make a point about

638
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:30.599
environmentalism, then they're definitely somewhat inspired
by someone who was trying to make a

639
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:36.239
point about environmentalism, because it does
seem weird, like, but it's a

640
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.480
it's a good way to get everybody
to look at the canal. It's a

641
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.760
good way for everybody for it to
get people to test the water, which

642
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.800
could prove that it's been polluted,
and the fact that no one can figure

643
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:51.239
out who did it is a really
good This is just me speaking, but

644
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.719
is a really good point that people
could just dump whatever they want in the

645
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.480
canal, so we need to protect
it because like somebody was able to do

646
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:06.559
this. Yeah, I mean I
could just go to the Delaware River and

647
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:13.039
just dump some green food coloring in
it. People would be thrilled. Yeah,

648
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.039
well so, I mean, isn't
but isn't that a horrible body of

649
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.360
water? Isn't that like the worst
thing ever? No, it's fine.

650
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:27.039
That's the school gole oh oh god, the shule Shule Kyle that everybody calls

651
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.840
it schookole. So well. I
mean, honestly, the first time I

652
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:36.480
saw it, the first thought I
had was, isn't it Chicago dies?

653
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.880
The the dies the River's green or
whatever? Yeah? For St. Patrick's

654
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:46.960
Day? Yeah, which I mean
is charming in a wasteful, hilariously wasteful

655
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.639
way. So yeah, I'm thinking, I'm thinking it's very likely that this

656
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:59.079
is food coloring. Yeah, and
getting that much food coloring actually could be

657
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.440
a challenge, though, I mean
unless you buy all those little bottles.

658
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.559
I mean, I guess you could
order on the internet, but then there's

659
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.280
a permanent paper trail though, So
if they want to find who did this,

660
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:14.840
they would just have to say,
hey, Amazon dot Italy or whatever,

661
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.920
like, did anybody buy a ton
of green food? Die? I

662
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.000
guess to cover your tracks. You
could buy a ton of like every kind

663
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.559
of die and just be like,
no, we're making shirts. Yeah,

664
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.199
shirt or like colored eggs. Yeah, we're making a really really big cupcake.

665
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:37.039
Yeah shut up. Yeah, and
then when you then you actually have

666
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.840
to make big cupcakes and be like, no, really, we did delicious.

667
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.840
You know. I'm going to see
if there's a follow up on this

668
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:53.679
the green Canal Florence. Oh,
it looks like it looks like they have

669
00:52:53.800 --> 00:53:00.000
not caught anybody. Okay, so
because that article. So the articles we

670
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.239
get on on spooky News, they're
not always super recent. They're usually a

671
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:10.559
month or two old. Um,
so this one, yeah, they nobody

672
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.199
has said who did it? Wow, Like it was at the end of

673
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.880
May was when this first occurred.
Okay, so and yeah I'm looking up

674
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.320
like Al Jazeera and all these other
services, and they don't have any idea.

675
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.639
It's very green though, it is
really green. So yeah, it

676
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:36.000
at least fire departments that uh yeah, they they don't know what made it

677
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.760
green or who made it green.
Huh. You know, it might actually

678
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.519
not be hard to get that much
die because I looked at I saw a

679
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:52.639
house recently where they died there they're
lake not lake like. Yeah. Yeah,

680
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.519
they die it like a charming blue
color. Yeah, huh, so

681
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:04.599
they must make that four potties water
probably Yeah, I don't know, so

682
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.280
it is still unsolved. And yeah, I mean I'm sure you can get

683
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.280
if you were really trying to do
this and get away with it. I

684
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.800
mean you're in Italy. You could
like buy the stuff in Spain, like

685
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.360
through a friend or like from a
nearby country, and then it would almost

686
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.360
be impossible to connect it. So
that's what I did not do it.

687
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.639
But if I if I had done
it, much like the O. J.

688
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:30.920
Simpson book, if it was me, that's how I would have done

689
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:38.760
it. But I didn't do it, so stop asking it. I should

690
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:45.039
have brought my attorney. We're gonna
take a quick break while I obtain legal

691
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:57.960
counsel and then we'll be back with
more spooky news. And we are back,

692
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:06.199
after an appropriate bath room break,
with more spooky news this one.

693
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:10.400
Do you want to guess where this
one's from? Chell? Joan me to

694
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:17.599
guess correctly or wrong, whichever's funnier
to you. Ah Um, I don't

695
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.239
have a good one, so Mirro
dot co dot uk, well you are

696
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.199
correct, and it sounds to me
like you might be a psychic, like

697
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:32.480
a certain lady from Mirra dot co
dot uk. The headline is I can

698
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.800
feel, see here, and taste
in other dimensions. It's how it's how

699
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:44.840
I speak to the dead. I
want to taste in other dimensions. Oh,

700
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.559
you just haven't had my cooking then, clearly, because like I don't

701
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.719
think I've ever made you Mexican food. Actually, you gotta come over,

702
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:58.400
okay, because down there right now, I forgot it. I mean over

703
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.199
to my normal home, fun and
enjoyment. Oh okay, not here where

704
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:08.840
we're working in this creepy dungeon.
Oh okay. But yeah. So apparently

705
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.159
she speaks to the dead vice feeling, seeing, hearing, and tasting other

706
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:19.880
dimensions. Yay. N May Magals
Magels Magels. N May Magels says she

707
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.800
spoke has spoken to spirits since she
was three years old, and was told

708
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.000
off a lot for what she would
say to people. The spirits told her

709
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:34.079
off for a few people. I'm
guessing her parents were asking her parents were

710
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:38.800
asked to bring her along to parties. I mean this, I don't want

711
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:44.119
to be a terrible human being,
but I'm gonna be a terrible human being.

712
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.920
So n May is Asian of some
type of East Asian descent, right,

713
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.800
I think so? And it just
immediately made me think of like how

714
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.719
Asian parents are like so strict about
like being good at something. Like it

715
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.800
would be like, no, you
sit down and you taste the spiritual wolm

716
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.880
now, and she's just like okay, dad, And then it's like then

717
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.320
we go to party and everyone see
your good. Like I just imagine that

718
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.880
immediately, Like it's like, just
take piano and replace it with being a

719
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.039
psychic. It's like we're having a
dinner party so everybody can see you play.

720
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.199
We're having a dinner party, so
everybody can watch you taste another dimension.

721
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.800
It just that just immediately was my
first thought was that was like man

722
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.159
Asian households, they're just so strict. A psychic who claims we all have

723
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.800
the ability to speak to the dead
says she can feel, see here and

724
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.880
taste in other dimensions, and May
Magels sixty five says she realized she was

725
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:47.360
psychic at age three after speaking spirits, who she called her playmates. That

726
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:58.159
sounds not terrifying in the least.
Well, I think that if if I

727
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.840
don't know that I believe in ghosts, I probably don't. I mean I

728
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.719
don't currently believe in ghosts. So
because there's always that that thing. It's

729
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.599
like, do you know ghosts exist? I don't know if they exist,

730
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.639
So do you believe in ghosts?
Well, I can't actively believe in ghosts

731
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.920
if I don't know if they exist. Believing is active. It's like the

732
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.199
epistemological question, you know, like
are you an atheist? Are an agnostic?

733
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.840
It's like, well, atheist answers
the question do you believe? An

734
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.840
agnostic answers the question do you know? So you know? You can't say,

735
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.360
like are you what's your belief And
you're like, I'm an agnostic,

736
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.480
so you don't know if you believe. That doesn't make any sense because believing

737
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.440
is active. You have to actively
do something to believe in something. So

738
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.719
if you're not sure if it exists, then you're not currently believing in it.

739
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:44.920
That doesn't mean you could change your
mind later. But that's a whole

740
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.440
thing I've always thought about and I
have no idea why that came up,

741
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:55.000
and I apologize to everyone. Her
first psychic experience was talking to her granddad

742
00:58:55.039 --> 00:59:00.280
and growing up as n May says, she would often get in trouble for

743
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:05.800
telling people what she saw, revealing
pregnancies and job promotions. Okay, so

744
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.719
she got in trouble because people were
mad at her for telling them what she

745
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.440
saw. So it wasn't the spirits
getting mad at her. I mean I

746
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.159
get less exciting. Yeah, I
mean I get that for some things,

747
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:21.920
like sometimes you don't want everyone to
know that you're pregnant. Yeah, that's

748
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:28.599
true and promoted well. And so
another point about ghosts is if I did

749
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.039
believe ghosts existed, I would be
much more afraid of the ghosts who seemed

750
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:36.480
perfectly friendly and genial. They would
terrify me. Like I would expect a

751
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.800
ghost to at least be a little
creepy, like even if they were nice,

752
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:42.800
Like a ghost would just be kind
of be like I've seen Death's door

753
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.480
and you're like, oh god,
yeah, you would have is like anyway,

754
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.039
how are you? I'd be like, oh, you're kind of cool.

755
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.039
But if a ghost this is like
howdy friend, let's go do something

756
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.239
fun, I'd be like, you're
gonna kill me. It would be my

757
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:01.480
first thought, this is going to
be my death. But also gonna play

758
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.679
with this ghost because like come on, yeah, when are you're gonna have

759
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:12.800
this opportunity again? Yeah, the
medium believes everyone is born with psychic abilities,

760
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:20.480
but said people get fomo fear of
missing out. What this whole article

761
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.960
is weird and it's an English news
site. Um, I'm gonna read that

762
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:30.000
again. The medium believes everyone is
born with psychic abilities, but said people

763
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:36.239
get fomo fear of missing out and
don't use them as they want to fit

764
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:40.360
in with everyday culture. That's not
the way you use that term. No,

765
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.960
that's incorrect. No, So they're
the fear of like no, no,

766
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:51.400
you don't what no, no,
no no. The Psychic and Intuitive

767
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.719
Strategy advice. Wow, I hate
Okay, I didn't really think about this

768
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:02.000
when I chose this story. I
don't like psychics. I know, I

769
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.159
know, you know because you've been
my friend a long time. I believe

770
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.639
that most psychics, if they're doing
it for money, they're frauds. And

771
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.199
what's worse is the best case scenario
is they're not a fraud. They actually

772
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.679
believe what they're doing is real.
It just isn't, which is even more

773
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:22.559
dangerous because that convinces people. And
I get I know, I'll get a

774
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.760
lot of guph for that, and
that's fine. You're allowed to believe in

775
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:29.119
what you believe in and I'm allowed
to believe in what I believe in,

776
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:35.440
but I nothing makes me cringe to
the point of pain, like psychics who

777
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:43.400
do this stuff for money and are
clearly using magic tricks or even just making

778
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.079
things up entirely. And the reason
I got mad is that they go by

779
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:53.320
a psychic and intuitive strategy advisor,
which just sounds like I couldn't afford one,

780
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:59.880
which just makes me mad. Yeah
I do. I have literally had

781
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:07.599
a job posting on monster dot com
for intuitive strategy advisors for months. You

782
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:12.719
need to try a different site.
Monster is the only place are they even

783
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.400
still around? I think I don't
know. I have no idea. I

784
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.599
think it's not working because the under
um under salary it's negative twenty one thousand

785
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.199
dollars a year, so they would
need to pay me. See. I

786
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:31.400
think you should at least get a
couple of people going like what thinking it's

787
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:37.320
a typo. Yeah, yeah,
that's how I get you. Um.

788
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.280
Also, just I realized I have
a psychic at the age of three,

789
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.320
Are you sure? Like? I
don't even I think I remember being three

790
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:50.519
barely. I don't remember being three. I mean I guess I do if

791
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:53.360
I try well. But but you
might actually be remembering when you were five,

792
01:02:53.880 --> 01:03:00.840
Like it's impossible to really know what
your memory is when you're that young.

793
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.880
But I don't know. Maybe she, I mean, she's clearly a

794
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.559
genius because she probably makes more money
than me. Quote. It rides alongside

795
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.039
the big five being able to see, here, taste, touch, and

796
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.559
smell. I would leave off the
last one. I'd be like, hey,

797
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.800
I don't want to smell the other
realm, please. I just have

798
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.639
a feeling that that could be a
horrible thing. I think taste could also

799
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:29.480
be pretty bad too. Yeah,
I feel like taste is more avoidable than

800
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:35.559
smell. But of course I'm thinking. I'm thinking one dimensionally exactly. So

801
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.719
maybe the taste just gets in your
mouth, whether you Oh god, this

802
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.320
is awful. Oh yeah, If
that's real, she deserves every penny she

803
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:49.280
gets. I don't get to choose
when I start tasting the other dimension.

804
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.519
Oh god, that sounds so.
That sounds like like when Skittles was trying

805
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:57.519
really hard to advertise as if they
were on adult swim. Like that sounds

806
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.000
like the kind of thing that would
be in one of those weirdo commercials.

807
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.079
Yeah, I look forward to not
to not consenting to tasting the other dimension

808
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:15.119
and May oh oh okay, plus
you have instinct and intuition. Those two

809
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.280
ride on the same blade. Okay. En May, who has racked up

810
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:25.960
a TikTok following with her medium insights, says her gift it's in quotes in

811
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.000
the in the article, gift feels
like she can interact with other dimensions.

812
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:36.159
Feels like okay um. I wonder
if the article is going to ask her

813
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:40.679
why she doesn't use these insights to
like win the lottery and then give it

814
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:45.440
all to an AIDS charity. But
whatever, because it never does. Ye

815
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.920
Like, I can jump really high, but not on a basketball court.

816
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:53.239
It doesn't work there. No,
it only works when no one is looking,

817
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.239
and it can't benefit me in any
way. Yeah. And besides my

818
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:02.760
ability to jump high, she lives
in Canada and you never better. Yeah,

819
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:13.760
the psychic sorry, so it makes
me mad. The psychic advisor said

820
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.960
she was told off a lot as
a child for what she would say to

821
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:20.280
people, but people would also invite
her parents to parties and ask them to

822
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:27.599
bring end May along as a quote
party favorite. See this all sounds fine.

823
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.079
I don't understand why she would be
a damaged person seeking out show business

824
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.400
fame through being a psychic. I'd
also like to know what she did for

825
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.880
most of her life, like has
she always been doing this or did she

826
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:41.000
just start doing this after she hit
like near retirement age. Yeah, that's

827
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:44.320
a good question because I could see
somebody being like, you know, I

828
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:49.880
always wanted to do that, you
know, retirement age. Like anyway she

829
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:56.599
thought quote, I thought, I
thought, do I have big Do I

830
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.760
have to bring balloons? My parents
would say no, end may you are

831
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:04.440
the party favor. I like this
dehumanizing story. It's good, you know

832
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:09.440
you like that because it's usually a
humanizing story. I like this dehumanizing story.

833
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.400
I could I could, quote,
I could walk by somebody and say

834
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.800
you're pregnant, you need a promotion, or you're getting a raise. I

835
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.000
can walk by people and say that
too. I don't know if it would

836
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:26.280
be true. Yeah, I mean
I can't, but walk by somebody,

837
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.480
go you need a promotion. I
guess they'd be like, you're right,

838
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.440
I would like to have a promotion. Yeah. Quote it was easy.

839
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.360
Then there were the environments where people
said, how this is something that must

840
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.559
be cast out of me, and
it was wrong. It would hurt my

841
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:44.800
feelings. I get it. You
know, some people love having the devil

842
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:51.280
in them. On one occasion,
m May told her teacher at school that

843
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:55.840
she wouldn't be teaching the class the
next day, and she was sent to

844
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.719
the principal's office. Did she tell
her like, you won't be teaching here

845
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.239
the day or did you say like
you're going to die? Like? Because

846
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:10.039
for the record, if a little
child like Shell, if a little child

847
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.719
walked up to you, looked up
at you, like tugged on your sleeve

848
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.159
to get your attention, and went, you won't be here tomorrow, how

849
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:20.559
would you feel? Honestly, I
would just be like, okay, I'd

850
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:25.400
be terrified, just like, go
back and sit down. Children are so

851
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.760
scary to me. Yeah, they're
scary, but especially when they foretell things.

852
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.239
Yeah, I don't think I would
believe that though. No, no,

853
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:35.159
no, you think you just let
that let that be. Yeah,

854
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:41.000
I just feel like that's cool.
Yeah, okay, I mean I would

855
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.000
be like, uh, but I'd
be more afraid the child was going to

856
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.280
kill me, because a child like
stalking you to kill you was really scary

857
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:49.800
to me. It is scary.
I just feel like i'd take them though

858
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.199
that's the My point is like,
what do they know? I don't because

859
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.519
they think they can take me.
Yeah. Yeah, but they're dumb because

860
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:04.960
they're kids. But this one can
taste other dimensions. Tell fine, even

861
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:09.440
as the playing field a little bit, doesn't it. Yeah. In fifth

862
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.880
grade, end May said she told
her teacher she was quote not going to

863
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:17.239
be with us tomorrow. Oh yeah, yeah, that's yeah. And there

864
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.880
I noticed they're not mentioning where this
was, Like where was end May being

865
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:26.239
educated? Like well, no,
I mean, I'm not trying to be

866
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:28.079
a jerk. It's like, but
this is a mere dot co dot UK,

867
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:31.079
so she could be in the UK, she could be in any part

868
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:35.600
of the United States. It seems
like she's in an English speaking place.

869
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:41.720
Yeah, but that's it. So, like, I know, it's terrible.

870
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.720
The moment I saw her photos,
I was like, oh, yeah,

871
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:45.960
Oregon. That I just that was
just I'm not even joking. That

872
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:48.800
was where I was like, She's
an Oregon. That was my first my

873
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.600
first thought. And now I'm curious. I wonder if that will turn out

874
01:08:51.600 --> 01:09:00.119
to be true. Oregon, of
course, but uh no, Oregon does

875
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.840
not appear in this article anywhere.
Sorry, I got excited. Um,

876
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:10.359
so anyway back to back to the
news story. I'm a little giggly.

877
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:15.560
I apologize everybody, but I also
don't um she don't. You're not going

878
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.039
to be with us tomorrow. She
asked, how come I said, you're

879
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:25.239
not You're just not feeling well,
said end May. Oh it was this

880
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.760
after you gave her a cupcake,
Like, because that's the thing, like

881
01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:30.880
did you just give the teacher a
snack and then they in it and they're

882
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.760
like, you won't feel well?
M She said, end May, don't

883
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:39.119
say that that I am fine.
I'll be here for you. And then

884
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.239
and May said she tried to ignore
me, but I think she felt something.

885
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:46.800
The next day she wasn't there done, Dune done. She also sounds

886
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:49.520
a little bit, you know,
like somebody needs to tell her, like

887
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:54.720
you can't just go up to people
and freak them out and then you can't

888
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:59.520
persist like no, well, she
was in fifth grade, so fifth grade

889
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:01.920
is old and to know that you
might scare people by saying stuff like that

890
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:05.359
and you shouldn't do it. In
let's ask, but what if the spirits

891
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.840
are like tell this to her or
your family dies, which I'm sure is

892
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.399
what's going on, Oh, well, then I guess we can give her

893
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.760
a pass. No, you know
what, only if it's actually happened before

894
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.079
that she didn't tell someone and then
their family died or yeah, like,

895
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:25.199
if you like, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice,

896
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:29.399
shame on two dead families. Yeah, okay, that's that's the truth.

897
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.359
After being dragged into the principle's office, she told him to check the

898
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.760
tire on his car, telling him
the left back passenger side was flat.

899
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:42.600
Well, if the left back passenger
side was flat, she could have just

900
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.039
seen that walking in now. It'd
be another thing. If she was like,

901
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:50.880
it's slightly below optimal tire pressure,
that its leak. Yeah, it'll

902
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:56.680
be flat by this evening. It'll
be flat tomorrow. And May said this

903
01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.960
was confirmed when her principal went to
check his car and said, she believes

904
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.359
in multidimensional life and we are all
able to tune in and talk to loved

905
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:10.680
ones who have passed away. This
is where I get grumpy towards psychics,

906
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:15.199
because I believe if somebody is benefiting
off, you're desperate want to talk to

907
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:18.279
someone who's passed away. I think
that's one of the cruelest things ever.

908
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:26.079
I just do. That's sincerely how
I feel. Anybody who's listening to this.

909
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.239
If you've ever lost somebody close to
you, you know how that pain

910
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:38.199
it never really goes away, and
how nice it would be if somebody told

911
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:43.600
you they could make that pain go
away. And that's why I'm using serious

912
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:46.600
voice, yeah, because I'm actually
no. But it really is something I've

913
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.880
had a problem with for a very
long time. Yeah. I once asked

914
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:56.720
a psychic who said that she could
tell the future if on September tenth,

915
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.159
two thousand and one, she just
was using her tarot cards to hold up

916
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:03.439
a wobbly table leg and that's why
she didn't think to tell anybody, you

917
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:08.439
know, that something was going to
happen the next day. Yeah, and

918
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.680
she got really mad, and then
she said she did predict nine to eleven,

919
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:18.039
and I was like, oh ay, any proof or okay, thanks

920
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.600
for She was very rude anyway,
and then she threatened to sue me.

921
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:29.239
But that's a whole other conversation.
She said, time is an interesting constraint

922
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:38.000
created by a Mayan calendar, and
then we all operated on that. What

923
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.800
was the Mayan calendar? The first
calendar I have no idea, probably not,

924
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.560
but well. But the other thing
is other calendars, many of them

925
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:51.960
would have had to have been created
without influence the Minan calendar. I mean,

926
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.560
I wouldn't be The Mayans were very
advanced in a lot of ways,

927
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.960
so I wouldn't be surprised if they
had, like the earliest calendar. I

928
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.399
think they did. That's why everybody
cared about twenty twelve, because they because

929
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.640
they'd only written their calendars up to
the twenty twelve. Yeah, and people

930
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.239
were like, it must be because
we're going to all die, and not

931
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:13.239
because they just stopped because they were
already like a thousand years or like six

932
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:18.199
hundred years past when they wouldn't even
exist anymore. But yeah, so apparently

933
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.960
according to this time as an interesting
constraint created by a Mayan calendar that we

934
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:28.000
all operated on. Okay, quote
that became the truth. So yes,

935
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.399
I can speak to everyone, can
speak to other dimensions. My initial psychic

936
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:35.880
experience was speaking to my dead relative
at the age of three, sitting at

937
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.640
my sandbox. I began to speak
another language that I was not familiar with.

938
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:46.920
What language? Oh? It answers
that ooh quote? My dad heard

939
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.279
me speaking Chinese. I told my
dad I was having a chat with his

940
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:55.680
dad and he was telling me a
story about him when he was a little

941
01:13:55.720 --> 01:14:00.319
boy. I am half Chinese and
half Japanese, but I don't speak the

942
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.399
language, and I never did again. That was the beginning of an understanding

943
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.560
that there were other dimensions spaces,
time zones, time and zones, not

944
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:14.319
time zones, time zones, cultures
and countries that did not have any relevance

945
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:18.479
to me. Quote as if I
could break through any barriers simply by listening

946
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:26.319
to an inner voice that was greater
than myself. A righty huh? I

947
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:31.119
mean you know your father was the
person who could be like, Yeah,

948
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.560
she was definitely speaking perfect Chinese.
Definitely. I don't know, it's a

949
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:39.520
little bit, a little bit odd, but I don't know. She's,

950
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.680
in my estimation, probably a fraud. But just to be safe, give

951
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.479
her all your money. Yeah,
that's my official that's my official thing.

952
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:54.319
Am I too harsh on the psychics? I know that I don't usually throw

953
01:14:54.359 --> 01:15:00.439
around my like hardcore skepticism very much, but I really have a dis for

954
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.479
psychics, for people who claim to
be psychic and charge people money and all

955
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:08.439
this stuff. I just think it's
it's really cruel. Yeah, yeah,

956
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:12.760
it's it's like that thing that you
hate a lot that I know that you

957
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:21.399
do and stuff what I don't know. That actually threw me for a second.

958
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:26.880
I was like, am I about
to learn something about myself? Well,

959
01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.000
well, said Chell. Well said, well, we're gonna take a

960
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.119
quick break and we'll be back to
wrap up this spooky news. But first

961
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:44.760
a word from the sponsors. All
Right, it's time we wrap up the

962
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.319
spooky news. And the last story
ended up getting me in a little bit

963
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:54.479
of a of a serious mindset.
So this story, I think is a

964
01:15:54.479 --> 01:16:01.960
perfect wrap up because it is annoy
it's humorous and frustrating and joy Okay,

965
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:09.520
so this one's from Huffington Post.
From HuffPost dot com, Bus six sixty

966
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:15.520
six no longer goes to Hell Poland
after protests from Christian conservatives. Oh man,

967
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.840
I kind of heard about this.
Yeah, I'm guessing Hell as in

968
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:23.000
Helsinki. No, right, no, it's just h el Hell Yeah,

969
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:28.800
yeah, hell Poland. Okay,
after people protested having a bus number signifying

970
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.079
the devil leading to a place that
sounds like the word hell in English,

971
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:40.800
it will run as bus six sixty
nine nice starting on June twenty fourth,

972
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.720
So this is the last day if
you're listening to this, well, well

973
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:46.840
we're recording this on the twenty third, but they'll be hearing this much later.

974
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.600
But I am so sorry. So
I wanted to point this out not

975
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:56.760
only because I think it's hilarious that
a bus going to Hell is six to

976
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:03.560
sixty six, but also because I
feel like it's been forever since. So

977
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:08.119
I long story short, we grew
up in the late nineties. I mean

978
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.840
like that's when we were like really
aware was the nineties. You know,

979
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.079
we were both born in the eighties, but we really grew up in the

980
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:19.520
nineties. And in the nineties,
any person who was just a big fuddy

981
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.800
duddy that didn't want anyone to have
a good time or wanted to ruin something

982
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:30.159
cool, they were all Christian Conservatives. And now it's kind of like anybody

983
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.479
who's a total fuddy duddy who just
doesn't want anybody to have fun tends to

984
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:39.159
be somewhat more of a liberal,
you know, extremist instead of a conservative

985
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:43.520
extremist. It just tends to be
that way. So this story made me

986
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.000
feel nostalgic. I was like,
oh, Christian conservatives are trying are ruining

987
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:53.800
an awesome thing. Reminds me of
being twelve, you know. Is that

988
01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.479
weird? But I really mean that. That's what made me interested in this.

989
01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:00.880
I was like, whoa Christian conservatives
protested this. Yeah, yet it

990
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.760
reminds me of being but a boy, but a boy in the midwestern Ohio

991
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:11.199
all right. But honestly, that's
why I picked the story. I was

992
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:15.920
like, Wow, it's like old
school. The bus to the town of

993
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:21.399
Hell on Poland's Baltic Coast has long
been popular with tourists, but some Christian

994
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:26.920
Conservatives have protested the number signifying the
devil on a bus leading to a place

995
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:31.920
that sounds like the word hell in
English. The local bus operator PKS I

996
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.439
don't know how to say, it's
g d y nia there's yeah, I

997
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:40.520
don't know yeah, announced this week
that the bus that bus six sixty six

998
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:45.000
will no longer run to Hell.
It said it had flipped the number the

999
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.159
last number, and would now run
the line under the number six six nine

1000
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:55.800
yeah. Local media said the bus
company acted under the pressure of Christian groups

1001
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.479
who had pushed for the change.
But we're already thinking of returning to the

1002
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:03.119
old nun or amid the public outcry
over the chain, people want their devil.

1003
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:09.039
Let us have our devil. Yeah, I want our devilish trip to

1004
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:14.520
Hell. Okay, it's not complicated. We just want to go to Hell

1005
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.199
and we want to ride on Bus
six sixty six. I was so sad

1006
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:23.880
by the way. Um, just
this just random off point. But when

1007
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:28.399
I went to Chicago a week ago
or two weeks ago, there was a

1008
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:30.520
high there was an Interstate sixty nine, and I totally there was just no

1009
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:33.520
way for me to get a photo. Oh I'm sorry, but it was.

1010
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:36.680
It was real. It was there, Interstate sixty nine. I believe

1011
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:43.199
you. It was so nice.
Sorry, not sorry, Actually, uh

1012
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.600
haha, funny internet number. Did
I tell you? I was talking to

1013
01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:53.600
one of Rachel's niece's nephews and they
don't even know. They just know sixty

1014
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.359
nine is funny and they don't actually
know what it means at all. That's

1015
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.720
what I've heard. You didn't tell
me, But yeah, they'll just say

1016
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.199
like nice, but they won't know. Yeah, And the best part is

1017
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:09.840
like like they think that it's an
absurdity thing that like just laughing at sixty

1018
01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:15.000
nine is funny because it doesn't mean
anything, And I was like, that's

1019
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:20.119
wholesome content. Oh don't learn one
day. Oh yes they will, Oh

1020
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:27.680
yes they will. I love that
there's a public outcry about bus six six

1021
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:31.680
six. I would be mad about
it too, Yeah, I mean I

1022
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.760
would. I mean I'm a little
bit confused about the public outcry because I'm

1023
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:43.000
pretty sure hell is only hell in
English, not in I think the public

1024
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.800
outcry is that they find it funny. Yeah, I mean, I mean

1025
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:49.319
because it said that they want to
bring back the old number because of public

1026
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:53.520
outcry over the change. So I
think that that may have more to do

1027
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.479
with people do know what six six
six means loosely, and they do know

1028
01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:00.520
what hell means loosely in English.
So it's just funny too that like plus

1029
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:02.640
six six six goes to hell.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, because

1030
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.920
you have to think, like think
about how many foreign words you actually see

1031
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:11.760
in a day that you know what
they mean because they're always around. Yeah,

1032
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.439
but it's it's hard to imagine that
like in other countries. Like it's

1033
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:17.319
like when I watch anime with you
and sometimes people just say a word in

1034
01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.039
English, yeah yeah, and it's
like whoa, And then I remember how

1035
01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:24.560
many times in a day to life
you might say a word that's Japanese,

1036
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.600
or say a word that's Spanish,
or a word that's French or Italian,

1037
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:30.239
you know. I mean, shoot, we did in a whole episode about

1038
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.760
deja vu once and literally deja vu
it has its own meaning in our language,

1039
01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.039
but it's a French word, right
right, So that's but it's hard

1040
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.359
to imagine that when you're a native
English speaker. But like in other countries,

1041
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:46.119
they have like slang that's the English
word because they probably have heard it

1042
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:51.119
on television and movies. Yeah,
stuff like that. The local news portal,

1043
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:55.439
I'm not even gonna try and say
it, said that the line operated

1044
01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:00.239
under the number six six six since
two thousand and six. Oh that was

1045
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:04.079
the year that we had six six
h six. Oh. I remember because

1046
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:08.880
I went to the drive in to
see the Omen remake. Oh on six

1047
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:14.479
six h six. Baby, wow, it was fine. I actually liked

1048
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:18.640
the Omen remake first as a local
joke before attracting writers from across Poland and

1049
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:23.760
beyond. Some people rode the bus
simply to say they'd taken the six six

1050
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:30.439
six bus to hell. Polish media
reported Fronda a Catholic publication who you can

1051
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.560
easily pronounce no matter where you're from, has free. I added that part

1052
01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:39.039
has for years called for the six
six six bus to be renamed, arguing

1053
01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:45.039
that it had satanic overtones and that
quote to present the reality of eternal damnation

1054
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:49.159
as amusing in any way is just
plane stupidity. Well, clearly you don't

1055
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:55.800
know why jokes are fun. They're
fun in part because they're just playing stupidity.

1056
01:22:56.039 --> 01:23:00.359
Yeah, but I just why I
think that he's right. I think

1057
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:01.880
they should change it to six six
nine and then just put a big thing

1058
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:05.760
on the side of the bus that
says bus of the boost. You know.

1059
01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:09.840
Yeah, I wonder if these are
the same people who are like,

1060
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.960
you can't have a thirteenth floor on
this building. It's like, okay,

1061
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.600
but that just makes the fourteenth floor
the thirteenth floor. That drives me crazy.

1062
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:18.920
Yeah, me too. You probably
see that a lot more than I

1063
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:21.520
do, though, because you have
a lot of older buildings and stuff out

1064
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:26.520
out by Philly than in Dayton.
I really don't, or at least I

1065
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:30.399
don't pay attention to it at all. I'm really stupid because as I said

1066
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.800
that, as I said, like, well, you know, based on

1067
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.760
how old they are, Yeah,
or if they've been remodeled and they've just

1068
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.119
changed the floor numbers, because it
does it's not about when it was built,

1069
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.600
it's about it. Yeah. Yeah, they're numbers on walls and buttons

1070
01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:46.039
on the elevator. Yeah. I
suppose you could change that pretty easy.

1071
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:49.079
You know. I want to do
is and we should do this together.

1072
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:53.600
We should buy an office building,
like a like a tall building, right,

1073
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:58.119
and we should change it so every
floor is the thirteenth floor. Okay,

1074
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.079
so when you get on the elevator, it's just there thirteen thirteen thirteen

1075
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:06.159
thirteen thirteen thirteen thirteen. And then
when people go I'm so confused, we

1076
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:13.840
can go. Ah, it's bad
luck making you confused. I don't know

1077
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:17.439
why that amuses me so deeply,
but it really truly does. Okay,

1078
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.239
we can do it. Okay,
good, you're in. Yeah, I

1079
01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:23.439
figure if you kick in, like
just a half a mill were set.

1080
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:27.039
Okay, all right, awesome,
Oh god, somebody's gonna actually think we

1081
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.399
like have that laying around. People
make all kinds of weird assumptions when you

1082
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.479
work in media, Yeah, like
as a filmmaker for a living. People

1083
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:40.119
tend to assume I'm either so poor
it's truly upsetting, or I'm wealthy.

1084
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:46.279
Yeah. I once shot a commercial
and um in a airplane hangar because we

1085
01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:48.560
were talking. It was for a
hospital and we were talking to a guy

1086
01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.920
who had had a health problem but
now he could fly airplanes again because he

1087
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:58.680
was well. So we rented the
hangar and we're allowed to use a couple

1088
01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:00.720
of planes. And it was because
the guy who owns the hangar was the

1089
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:03.279
one who would like move the planes
around for us. He had like a

1090
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:08.359
little cart that he could hook to
the planes to just scoop them over.

1091
01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.079
And I would ask him like how
much is that plane? Because they were

1092
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:15.439
all jets, they weren't these were
private jets. They were not like propeller

1093
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:17.439
like Cesnes and stuff. So he
would be like, oh, yeah,

1094
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:21.079
this one's probably six million, this
one's three million, this one's fourteen million.

1095
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:26.039
He's just like, wow, none
of them is sub a million dollars.

1096
01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.079
Yeah. So I took a photo
of one of the planes because it

1097
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:32.960
had been moved to like the dead
center of the thing. I took a

1098
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:38.159
picture of it and literally posted,
you know, brand new acquisition. I

1099
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:43.199
think I'll be very happy with it. My brother, my half brother,

1100
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:45.319
who I'm not. We're not as
strange, but we're not very close.

1101
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.000
He lives in New Hampshire. He
wrote me and was like, Bro,

1102
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:53.520
did you for real just get a
plane? Like that's so awesome? And

1103
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:57.760
I had to go it was a
joke. I guess some people don't realize

1104
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:01.520
they're impossibly expensive, Like it's a
joke. And he was like, oh,

1105
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.039
well it was pretty cool and I
was like, oh, like and

1106
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:09.560
then I was like, man,
does my little brother think that like that

1107
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.680
I've made millions of dollars, like
tens of millions of dollars. Well he

1108
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:18.720
did, and now he knows I'm
just a liar. Yeah, a great

1109
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:24.720
big phony. Yeah. So uh, let's see the last line of this

1110
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:30.359
articles, talking about the frond of
the Catholic publication said it lamented that that

1111
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.239
fact that it lamented the fact that
many Polish journalists, even Catholic ones,

1112
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:42.960
have taken pleasure in the joke.
Oh did somebody do a satan? I'm

1113
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:49.279
sorry the devil? So anyway,
what do you have any interesting experiences with

1114
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:56.520
Satan? Like just the usual ones, just like going to lines or whatever.

1115
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.600
Yeah, no, no, the
only thing that I have been slightly

1116
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:06.439
related is that there's a cab line
in Philly that's number is two one five

1117
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:11.359
six six six six six six six. Oh man, Yeah, it's dope.

1118
01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:15.600
The sixes. Yeah, that's pretty
cool. Yeah, you should call

1119
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.199
them when you need a cav I
don't know if they're good or not,

1120
01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:20.680
just because you could remember the number, yeah, gave them all those sixes.

1121
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:26.000
Or you could just uh, you
could just ask Siri to call the

1122
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:31.800
devil. Yeah, it just calls
them when you were So this is something

1123
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.680
I don't really know that much about. So because you grew up in central

1124
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:42.279
Jersey and I grew up in north
and southwestern Ohio, did anybody call you

1125
01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:46.279
satanic at any point for being weird? No? Never, I don't think

1126
01:27:46.319 --> 01:27:50.399
so. Not once. I don't
know. And I mean, I mean,

1127
01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:55.800
anybody, a classmates, you know, a teacher, anybody not not

1128
01:27:55.920 --> 01:28:00.760
just like not strictly like adults or
something, but like we had, we

1129
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.199
had students. I live kind of
in the Bible Belt, but it's really

1130
01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:06.720
not that bad. And I really
kind of resent the term Bible Belt.

1131
01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.760
But I do live in a place
where there are a lot of especially when

1132
01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:14.479
I was a teenager conservative Christians.
You know, like when we had our

1133
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.359
biology classes, like we had students
who would like opt out of the class

1134
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:20.880
when it talked about evolution and stuff
like that. Whatever, you know,

1135
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:29.279
it's it's whatever. But I remember
having I had long hair, and a

1136
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:33.880
boy with long hair is a problem, you know, because you're the devil.

1137
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:36.680
You're a devil worshiper or whatever.
And if you were like band t

1138
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:40.760
shirts, you know, people would
be like, that's satanic. And of

1139
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.600
course when people get mad at things
and call them satanic, your natural,

1140
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:49.520
healthy, natural instinct is to immediately
put pentagrams on everything you have, like

1141
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:53.159
just put them all over. But
yeah, some people would be like,

1142
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:56.159
oh, you know, you're Satanic. There was also you know, um

1143
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:00.800
Marilyn Manson was really big at the
time, and people felt like he was

1144
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:04.079
Satanic and all this stuff. So
it was just a weird you know,

1145
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:09.760
this is you know, ten twelve
years after the Satanic Panic. So people

1146
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:13.039
aren't like, oh, you're meeting
with people and sacrificing babies, but they

1147
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:16.079
are like, oh, you're like
secretly a Satanist though, like you're secretly

1148
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.640
worshiping Satan. And I was like, yes, secretly with the shirt that

1149
01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:25.680
you claim means obviously that I worshiped
Satan. So they're just really smart though.

1150
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:29.680
So well, it got to the
point where it would be so fun

1151
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.720
to troll those people in school that
me and some friends like if we wrote

1152
01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:39.199
anything on anything, it would always
be six sixty six the Devil, like

1153
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.680
because because that was stupid, Like
it was like, why would you write

1154
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:45.880
the devil? You know you would
write like Satan or something or no,

1155
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:47.960
we just write six six six the
Devil. That's all we would write on

1156
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:54.159
like our notebooks and our traffic keepers
and the like things in our locker and

1157
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:57.880
stuff. It would just be six
or sixth the Devil. I thought that

1158
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.119
was really funny that it was just
like what they're afraid of. Yeah.

1159
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.399
Um, but that's also why I've
had a bad I have a bad habit

1160
01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:06.680
of anytime I'm handed writing utensils,
the first thing I write is six x

1161
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:11.359
six the devil. Who um?
Including one time have you ever been to

1162
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:15.079
I went on a date to the
Macaroni grill? Or what does that play?

1163
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.720
Macaroni? I think warehouse or macaroni
grill? Wait, are you trying

1164
01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:25.680
to say something else? Maybe because
cheesecake factory. Right, maybe it was

1165
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:30.239
the cheesecake factory, umaroni. Have
you eaten at the cheesecake factory before?

1166
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.560
Yeah? They also eat Sorry,
do they allow you to draw on the

1167
01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.239
tablecloth? Is it made of paper? No? Actually I think that is.

1168
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:40.399
That's a macaroni grill. Yeah.
Well I was dating a very high

1169
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.880
falutin woman, so she was like, I want to go to the macaroni

1170
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.600
grill. That's not really that's actually
way too mean. She like paid for

1171
01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:48.359
herself. She was like super chill, but and I liked her. I

1172
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.520
went on, like I dated her
for like seven months, but we went

1173
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:58.640
to Macaroni grill and yeah they they
they had the tablecloth is paper and they

1174
01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:01.960
give you crayons so you can draw. And I just immediately the second that

1175
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:04.840
they made it clear you could draw
on the tablecloth, I was just writing

1176
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:08.920
six six six all over it.
And she's like, what are you doing?

1177
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:12.359
And I was like, I don't
know, just normal writing on stuff

1178
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.760
stuff. Yeah, and she was
like, oh okay. She was Jewish,

1179
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:17.000
so she was like I already love
Satan, you know she was.

1180
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:23.520
She was I like, I like
that because if you know anything about Judaism

1181
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.720
you know that the actual response would
be I don't believe in Satan, but

1182
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.319
instead it's like, oh, I'm
Jewish, so I love him. I

1183
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:34.439
love the devil. He's my best
friend. Uh sorry, I'm in a

1184
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:38.760
very goofy mood and I don't know. I keep apologizing like people are going

1185
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.279
to be mad about it, and
actually now they will be, Yeah,

1186
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:44.720
because now they know I'm worried about, you know, them being mad.

1187
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:49.319
Yeah, So now they're angry.
But I think Shell, it's about time

1188
01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:54.880
that we talk about another devil,
a devil that you know some things about,

1189
01:31:55.600 --> 01:32:00.560
Yeah, the Jersey Devil. Yeah, the legend of New Jersey other

1190
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:08.079
than you know, Mafia. Yeah, the honestly, like the greatest piece

1191
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.600
of New Jersey folklore in my opinion, in my humble opinion, the Jersey

1192
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:15.199
Devil. So we're going to dive
deep into the Jersey Devil and talk about

1193
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.399
your experience is growing up in Central
Jersey and so much more after this quick

1194
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:35.279
break In South Jersey and Philadelphia folklore, the Jersey Devil, also known as

1195
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:41.199
the Leads devil, is a legendary
creature said to inhabit the forests of the

1196
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.439
pine barrens in South Jersey. The
creature is often described as a flying biped

1197
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:51.560
with hoofs, but there are many
variations. Common descriptions are that of a

1198
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:58.520
bipedal, bipedal, kangaroo like or
wyvern like creature with a horse or goat

1199
01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:02.119
like head, leathery, bat like
wings, horns, small arms with clawed

1200
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:06.960
hands, legs with cloven hoofs,
and a forked or pointed tail. It

1201
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:12.319
has been reported to move quickly and
is often described as emitting a high pitched,

1202
01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:19.279
blood curdling scream. That is the
first paragraph on the greatest source of

1203
01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:25.800
information for anything there's ever been,
Wikipedia, Michelle. I've always wanted to

1204
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:30.119
talk to you about the Jersey Devil. Yeah, because you were from Jersey,

1205
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.119
and you're from central right, not
south, You're like, but you're

1206
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.399
like right in the middle right,
that's where you're from, right, So

1207
01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:40.520
so that means though that you were
much like I lived in North Jersey,

1208
01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:44.760
so like really Jersey Devil stuff was
very far removed from I mean I lived

1209
01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:46.800
really far north too, Like,
Yeah, I remember one time I missed

1210
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:50.479
the turn to go pay my rent
and I ended up in upstate New York.

1211
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:55.199
Yeah, that could happen. That
did happen because it was like a

1212
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.479
little state route and I missed the
turn. I was like, oh,

1213
01:33:57.479 --> 01:33:59.000
I have to find a spot to
turn around, and it was like,

1214
01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:00.840
welcome to New York. I was
like, oh, well, I really

1215
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:06.600
do live very far north. So
anyway, I want to before we dig

1216
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:11.840
into the information that Wikipedia has,
which I'm sure is completely accurate in every

1217
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:15.199
way, I want to know,
first of all, how did you learn

1218
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:20.239
about the Jersey Devil being a child
growing up in New Jersey. Okay,

1219
01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:24.359
so we've kind of talked about this
a couple of times. I don't have

1220
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:30.720
any We didn't do that. Like, you gotta understand, like New Jersey

1221
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.840
is really really dense, so don't
don't. I don't think everyone there is

1222
01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:39.000
dense. Some of them are probably
pretty smart, fine, or at the

1223
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:43.840
very least based fine. Sorry,
I couldn't resist that fun. New Jersey

1224
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:46.079
is the most densely populated state in
America. I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

1225
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:49.159
I think so. I mean,
yeah, it's crazy how many people are

1226
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:51.640
there. That was the best part
about living there was that there were so

1227
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:56.439
many friends to make, so many
interesting No, that was my favorite part

1228
01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:00.760
of Jersey. And I feel like
I could drive like from North Jersey all

1229
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:03.720
the way to South Jersey and literally
like tell you who a friend is like

1230
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:08.680
off of the main highway the whole
way down. I'm being serious. I

1231
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.680
loved living in Jersey for that.
It was so I had so many friends

1232
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.399
and it was so easy to make
friends because just the denseness of the population

1233
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:19.920
alone meant that you were likely to
find someone you got along with. Just

1234
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:29.079
statistics anyway, please continue, So
South and central New Jersey are not similar.

1235
01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:31.640
Really, we didn't have pine barrens
any of that kind of stuff.

1236
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:38.119
Different lore which was not any lore. But also I was thinking about it,

1237
01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:41.239
and probably the reason that we didn't
talk about Jersey Davil or any of

1238
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:45.279
that stuff was because no one that
I grew up near was from New Jersey.

1239
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.359
They were all transplants. Yeah,
they were all from New York or

1240
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:54.119
from different countries. So nobody,
like we didn't talk about like weird stuff

1241
01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:57.960
that happened in the town because is
it safe to say, oh sorry,

1242
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.880
sorry. The town basically hadn't.
I mean, it existed as a very

1243
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:08.039
small town, but then they were
huge developments built in it, so like

1244
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:12.239
no one, like most people didn't
live there for generations or even a couple

1245
01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:16.279
generations. Is it safe to say
that a large swath of the people who

1246
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:20.640
lived in this was Plainsboro And it's
not like Doxing or anything. None of

1247
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:25.720
your family lives there anymore anyway.
Yeah, but you're like, let's give

1248
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.720
your address real quick, just so
people have a context. But it was

1249
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:31.079
Plainsboro, which is right next to
Princeton. They're like, they're like sister

1250
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:34.279
cities, right, I mean if
you called either of them a city.

1251
01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:38.760
Yeah, but you know what I
mean, Oh my gosh. Yeah,

1252
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.399
this is one of those shows where
Chell's got a bug up or butt about

1253
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:47.079
being a butt. As my dog
Chicano is headbutting my legs. I don't

1254
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:51.159
know what he wants down there,
but he wants it. But no,

1255
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:55.079
So is it safe to say that, like most of the people living there

1256
01:36:55.199 --> 01:37:01.760
were either New York transplants or maybe
Indian or East Asian immigrants because it was

1257
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:08.640
so close to a really good university. I mean, that might be why,

1258
01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:12.239
but I actually don't think that was
the real I mean, a it

1259
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.680
was really close to New York,
so a lot of the people's parents that

1260
01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:17.439
I grew up with worked in New
York City. Well, that's a hell

1261
01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:21.000
of a commute. Yeah, but
they were right on like a train line.

1262
01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:25.680
Can you save a shitload of money
living in Plainsborough? Yeah yeah,

1263
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:28.920
I mean really not anymore. But
well yeah, well yeah, I mean

1264
01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:30.640
I yeah, I get that.
I paid my bills when I lived in

1265
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:35.760
Jersey unfortunately anyway, Yeah yeah,
but but so a lot of them worked

1266
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:44.600
in New York. Some people worked
in Philly, um and um oh right.

1267
01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:47.640
And then also this school district,
the West Windster Plainsborough School District is

1268
01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:54.000
and no was and still is a
really good school district. Yeah, so

1269
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:58.520
that's why people were coming specifically to
that area and not to the surrounding areas

1270
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:05.239
like Hamilton and South Brunswick. Sorry
South Brunswick take that South Brunswick. Yeah,

1271
01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:10.119
sorry, South Brunswick. Well,
and that makes sense. The reason

1272
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:15.000
I was saying, like maybe they
were Indian Asian East Asian is because around

1273
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:20.640
here we when we got our huge
populations of transplanted people, it was mostly

1274
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:26.199
somewhat near the Air Force Space,
which is also near the major college.

1275
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:31.680
So you would have entire enclaves of
Asian neighborhoods. In fact, to the

1276
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:38.359
point where and it's still the case
here, the major multiplexes will show Bollywood

1277
01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:41.680
movies, movies from India, and
it packs, it gets packed because the

1278
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:45.359
communities are huge here. Yeah,
and that was what kind of started.

1279
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:49.079
It was. Oh like Fairborne and
Beaver Creek in surrounding areas are nice and

1280
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:54.319
relatively cheap and very close to the
Air Force base, which isn't good reason

1281
01:38:54.399 --> 01:38:58.560
to move here, and to write
State University, which is also a good

1282
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:00.680
reason to move here. And uh
and you know, obviously a lot of

1283
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:05.159
Asian immigrants are heavily influenced by education
as to where they decide to settle.

1284
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.880
So that's why I kind of thought
maybe because Princeton's a very good college.

1285
01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:14.399
Yeah, I think I think more
likely has to do with uh, you

1286
01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:18.800
know, pH in primary education.
Yeah. Yeah, well in the city

1287
01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:21.680
brings people from all over. I
was just curious because, yeah, I

1288
01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:24.359
thought about it. I was like, oh, yeah, because around here,

1289
01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:27.119
it's like when an area is really
up and coming, you get like,

1290
01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:30.920
you know, big swaths of I
almost it's funny. I'm trying not

1291
01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:33.079
to sound racist because I have nothing
mean to say about the Asian people,

1292
01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:36.520
but I almost did those people because
I couldn't think of a of a of

1293
01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:41.359
a better way, but out like
Indian people, Asian people, Southeast Asian

1294
01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:44.520
people. You know, it's good
schools, you know, great, great

1295
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:48.239
school to become a doctor from,
especially UM so or you know, go

1296
01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:53.199
to film school for no apparent reason. Um is the other thing to do

1297
01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:58.119
at right state. But anyway,
so we've we've gotten through yet again that

1298
01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:01.760
your childhood was no way fun.
And so when did you first hear of

1299
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.920
the Jersey Devil since you didn't hear
from it in any cooler human way.

1300
01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:10.760
I have no idea. Maybe high
school, Yeah, I have no idea.

1301
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.119
It's like I just kind of know
about it. But it was in

1302
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:18.199
television and movies referenced. Yeah,
real, wow, because that's how I

1303
01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:23.479
found out about was movies and TV
shows. The first time I actually became

1304
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:30.479
extremely aware of The Jersey Devil was
when I saw the film The Last Broadcast,

1305
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:35.279
which you probably haven't seen it because
it's not a massive hit movie.

1306
01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:40.760
But it was a found footage movie
that came out right around the same time

1307
01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:44.720
as The Blair Witch Project. Okay, they like, they weren't copying each

1308
01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:47.239
other, they were just created at
the same time. But the Blair Witch

1309
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:50.399
Project was more of a found footage
movie, and the Last Broadcast was more

1310
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:55.319
of a mockumentary. It was more
of a fake documentary. It was like

1311
01:40:55.359 --> 01:41:00.119
assembled, but it was about people
from Philly and South Jersey and they had

1312
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.239
a cable access show and all this
stuff and they go into the woods to

1313
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:10.359
find the Jersey Devil and then horrible
things happen. Yeah, and it's honestly

1314
01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:12.760
a very good movie. If you
get a chance to watch the Last Broadcast,

1315
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.399
it's especially good because you know that
these are like, for lack of

1316
01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:19.399
a better term, kids making a
cool movie, and it really was good.

1317
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:24.920
I honestly love that movie until the
last shot and then it fell for

1318
01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:30.520
me. So overall that movie is
great, Okay, but I highly recommend

1319
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:32.680
the Last Broadcast. If you're a
movie nut out there and you're like,

1320
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:34.399
oh, I haven't heard of that, then yeah, you should check it

1321
01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:39.119
out. You'll probably dig it.
But that was how I first really heard

1322
01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:44.159
things about the Jersey Devil, and
then ironically, I learned even more about

1323
01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:47.039
the Jersey Devil when I moved to
New Jersey when I turned eighteen. Because

1324
01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:50.479
there was a creepy old man who
used to sit on the corner in Butler

1325
01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:55.479
New Jersey and he would just rant
and rave about it. Wow. No,

1326
01:41:55.560 --> 01:42:01.159
I'm kidding. I listen to a
podcast and I wish that were true.

1327
01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:06.079
No, I listened to it.
So when I moved to Jersey,

1328
01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:10.399
I wanted to know stuff about Jersey, right, So I started searching,

1329
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:14.239
just like things about Jersey, not
just scary things, but like what's good

1330
01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:15.600
food here, you know, stuff
like That's how I learned about the tailor

1331
01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:20.319
hamag and cheese sandwich. And I
found a podcast, which they're kind of

1332
01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:25.960
sort is still around, called Hometown
Tails. And it was two guys based

1333
01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:30.319
out of Jersey, I want to
say it was like the Montclair area,

1334
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:34.000
Jersey, based in Jersey, and
they would sit down every week and they

1335
01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:39.479
would talk about folklore, and of
course they leaned heavily into Jersey folklore,

1336
01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:44.479
right because they're both in Jersey.
And they would talk about, you know,

1337
01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.039
everything from the Jersey Devil, to
the tailor ham egg and cheese being

1338
01:42:47.079 --> 01:42:53.079
only in New Jersey, to the
concept that all diners serve peace soup on

1339
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:58.640
Wednesdays, I think it was or
Thursdays. They literally called every diner they

1340
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:01.279
could find in the phone book and
went to five diners. Wow, and

1341
01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:03.640
they all on the day I don't
remember which day of the week it was

1342
01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:06.159
that was claimed, but on the
day that it's claimed that they that like

1343
01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:11.159
the myth is that it's by law
that like, for some reason there's a

1344
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:15.560
law that they have to have pea
soup. But they found that every diner

1345
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:18.279
they called had pea soup that day. Wow, which so who knows.

1346
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.239
It just kind of became a thing
and now it's a thing. Deal with

1347
01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:26.239
it, um shell, please deal
with it. Oh okay, thank you.

1348
01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:28.760
Do you like pea soup? I
like pea soup. Yeah, it's

1349
01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:31.119
fine, Okay, good Uh sorry, I got excited. I am a

1350
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:38.920
little hungry. I've been eating mostly
broth. Yeah. So okay. So

1351
01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:42.479
with that all said, what do
you know about the Jersey Devil that you

1352
01:43:42.479 --> 01:43:45.239
would like to share or what have
you heard or anything like that, now

1353
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:49.439
that we've established that you had a
very boring childhood, Yeah, I don't

1354
01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:55.720
know. Like it's a dingy and
it flies and it looks weird and it

1355
01:43:56.079 --> 01:44:00.439
scares people, and it lives in
the pine barrens. And what do you

1356
01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.840
know about the pine barrens and the
pineys? So it's a place in New

1357
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:12.039
Jersey with lots of pine trees.
Yes, in South Jersey, and there's

1358
01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.479
sand. There's a lot of sand
too, because it's kind of by the

1359
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:18.880
water, but not really. And
there are just communities of people who live

1360
01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:25.560
in the pine barrens and they're called
Pine's and they're not nice people. According

1361
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:30.560
to the legends. They're probably very
nice people, I would imagine. Yeah,

1362
01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:36.199
so I'm gonna read a little bit
about the origin of the Jersey Devil

1363
01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:40.479
and we'll both learn. Because I
only know some of I only know broad

1364
01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:44.159
strokes. I've never sat and read
about the Jersey Devil. Okay, do

1365
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:48.239
you have any idea what the story
says made the Jersey Devil at all?

1366
01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:54.000
No, but but I know what
I think is the Jersey Devil. We'll

1367
01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:57.439
get to the cranes and everything in
a minute. I would love to hear

1368
01:44:57.439 --> 01:45:00.439
your theories, but first we want
to dive into the folklore, because that's

1369
01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:05.600
the most fun part, is the
stuff that's probably almost certainly made up the

1370
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:12.000
origin of the legend. The Lenape
people who originally inhabited the Pine barons,

1371
01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:17.800
believed the area was inhabited by a
spirit called em sing m Apostrophe sig s

1372
01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:23.199
m saying, which sometimes took the
form of a deer like, deer like

1373
01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:28.199
creature with leathery wings. That's a
hell of a sentence, deer like creature

1374
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:32.079
with leathery wings. So now if
you want to go in now, we're

1375
01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:36.439
going to go into the popular folklore, the kind of American folklore. And

1376
01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:42.279
it's all about Mother Leeds's thirteenth child. And this is what I had always

1377
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.640
heard. Yeah, it sounds like
you remember this now that I've said it.

1378
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:49.840
According to popular folklore, the Jersey
Devil originated with a pine Baron's resident

1379
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:56.680
named Jane Leeds, known as Mother
Leads. The legend states that Mother Leads

1380
01:45:56.760 --> 01:46:00.319
had twelve children, and after finding
she was pregnant for the thirteenth time,

1381
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:05.399
cursed the child in frustration, crying
that the child would be the devil.

1382
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:12.800
In seventeen thirty five, Mother Leeds
was in labor on a stormy night while

1383
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:16.439
her friends gathered around her. Born
as a normal child, the thirteenth child

1384
01:46:16.600 --> 01:46:21.600
changed to a creature with hoofs,
a goat's head, bat wings and forked

1385
01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:27.920
and a forked tail. Growling and
screaming, the child beat everyone with its

1386
01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:33.039
tail before flying up the chimney and
heading into the pines. In some versions

1387
01:46:33.079 --> 01:46:36.720
of the tail, mother Leeds was
supposedly a witch and the child's father was

1388
01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:42.520
the devil himself. Some versions of
the versions of the legend are also also

1389
01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:46.399
state that there was a subsequent attempt
by local clergyman to exercise the creature from

1390
01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:50.640
the pine barrens. So that's basically
the story I heard. This version I

1391
01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:55.119
heard was that after her twelfth child, it was like really awful that she

1392
01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:58.760
said, if I have another child, may be a devil. That was

1393
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:00.760
the version I heard was that was
the curse. Quote unquote was that I

1394
01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:05.439
like, how like it's like magically
before like eighteen hundred, if you just

1395
01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:09.239
said a thing it was a curse. I was going to say, like

1396
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:12.079
that's all you gotta do. Yeah, you're just like it should be a

1397
01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:15.239
devil then, okay, like I
should. I wanted that to work.

1398
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:18.119
I want to be like eating a
dozen donuts and be like if I eat

1399
01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:23.279
this twelfth donut, may it be
made of diamonds and gold and then you

1400
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.600
die? Well, then I bite
into it, be like, whoa,

1401
01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.880
this is full of diamonds and gold, and then I have diamonds and gold

1402
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.880
Okay, fine, so, and
maybe only eat a little bit of it

1403
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.239
as a treat. Okay, good, So, let's dive in a little

1404
01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:38.960
bit to the history of the Leeds
family. Okay. Prior to the early

1405
01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:43.199
nineteen hundreds, of the Jersey Devil
was referred to as the Leads Devil or

1406
01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:47.159
the Devil of Leads, either in
connection with the local Leeds family or the

1407
01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:53.239
eponymous southern New Jersey town Leads Point. Have you been to Leeds Point?

1408
01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:59.520
No? Oh, sorry, mother, you let me down. That's you

1409
01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:00.800
know what. That's we're gonna do
that. Someday. We're gonna we're gonna

1410
01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:03.760
make a special for the Patreon and
it's gonna be you and me on the

1411
01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:09.319
search for the Jersey Devil. Okay, you actually look excited. I would

1412
01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:14.800
do that since since we sadly can't
really visit Centralia anymore, that'll have to

1413
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:18.399
be the next best thing. Yeah. Mother Leeds has been identified by some

1414
01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:25.000
as the real life Deborah Leads on
grounds that Deborah Leads his husband Japhett Leads.

1415
01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:29.800
That's a good name, good strong
name. Uh, named twelve children

1416
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:33.479
in the will he wrote during seventeen
thirty six. That does kind of line

1417
01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:40.319
up which is compatible with the legend. Thanks yeah yeah. Deborah and Jeffett

1418
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:45.000
and Japhett Leeds also lived in the
Leeds Points section of what is now Atlantic

1419
01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:48.640
County, New Jersey, which is
commonly the location of the Jersey Devil story.

1420
01:48:48.840 --> 01:48:55.159
We could go to the Atlantic City
too. That would be fun because

1421
01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:57.600
I would just like make you,
I would just like buy you all the

1422
01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:00.880
like really cheesy Atlantic City tourists.
So you're just like wearing like a white

1423
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:04.800
ball cap, like and like a
T shirt that says that says I love

1424
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:10.199
slots, but like as it was
like sluts but it's slots, or like

1425
01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:13.439
oh no, or I like I'm
just here for the slots. Okay,

1426
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:15.079
that's a good one. I'm sure
that exists. If it doesn't, it

1427
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:19.159
will by the time the show airs. Have you ever been to Atlantic City?

1428
01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:27.079
Um, yes, but not like
like the Atlantic City Atlantic City.

1429
01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:30.399
I just visited someone who like was
saying it was there, but like not

1430
01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:38.119
yeah till like casinos and stuff.
I once was hanging out in South Jersey

1431
01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:41.800
and I had some extra time to
kill, so I decided I didn't go

1432
01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.039
to Atlantic City. I went near
it, but I just went on hotels

1433
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:48.399
dot com and I was like,
where's the cheapest okay hotel? And because

1434
01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:51.359
I had like nowhere I had to
be, I was like, wherever it

1435
01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:56.560
is, as long as it's like
noticeably cheap. And the place I found

1436
01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:00.439
was like a holiday inn, but
it was it was like on the other

1437
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:05.920
side of the bridge that goes into
Atlantic City basically, so from my room,

1438
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:10.079
I could at night, I could
see Atlantic City clear as day,

1439
01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:14.800
ironically, because it was lit up
completely. I was so close to Atlantic

1440
01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.680
City. I could read one of
the major billboards that was electronic, just

1441
01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:20.680
barely, but I could like make
out letters in it. So that's the

1442
01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:23.880
closest I've been to Atlantic City.
And I was like, Wow, they

1443
01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:28.000
weren't kidding though, Like yeah,
so yeah, during slow times in Atlantic

1444
01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:32.279
City, the nearby hotels are dirt
cheap because they're really overflow hotels. But

1445
01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:35.479
yeah, so that's my Atlantic City
experience. We're totally going to Atlantic City.

1446
01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:43.920
Brian Regal, a historian of science
at Keene University, theorizes that the

1447
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.840
story of Mother Leeds, rather than
being based on a single historical person,

1448
01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:54.920
originated from colonial southern New Jersey religio
political disputes that became the subject of folklore

1449
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:59.159
and gossip among the local population.
Okay, so what they're saying is is

1450
01:50:59.159 --> 01:51:02.840
a bunch of yentas, Okay,
a bunch of Catholic ent has probably,

1451
01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:10.439
according to Regal, folk legends concerning
these historical disputes evolved through the years and

1452
01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:15.079
ultimately resulted in the modern popular legend
of the Jersey Devil. During the early

1453
01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:21.920
twentieth century. Regal contends that colonial
era political intrigue involving early New Jersey politicians

1454
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:28.920
Benjamin Franklin and Franklin's rival almanac publisher
Daniel Leeds, who died in nineteen or

1455
01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:33.000
seventeen twenty, resulted in the Leeds
family being described as monsters, and it

1456
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:39.239
was Daniel Leeds's negative description as the
Leads Devil rather than any actual creature that

1457
01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:45.640
created the later legend of the Jersey
Devil. That's really interesting because I watched

1458
01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:50.760
I'm a fan of Reason magazine and
which is like a libertarian rag and they

1459
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:55.840
once did a political ad because it
was during I want to say it was

1460
01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:59.399
in twenty sixteen, when people were
talking about all the mud slinging. You

1461
01:51:59.439 --> 01:52:03.960
know how nasty politics are now,
So they made modern political advertisements, but

1462
01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:10.840
they were using documented campaign ads from
the past, and it was so much

1463
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:14.079
crueler than what happens here. It
was like it was just like straight up

1464
01:52:14.079 --> 01:52:18.079
calling people rapists and child murderers and
and uh and homosexuals and stuff like.

1465
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:21.199
It wasn't like hinted, and it
wasn't like you know, so and so

1466
01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:25.119
said this, but really it was
like so and so said he wanted to

1467
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:29.680
help taxation, but all he really
did was help himself kill prostitutes. And

1468
01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:32.439
you'd be like, um, is
this base anything? So I'm not surprised

1469
01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:38.840
that if Benjamin Franklin had a rival
that he would like smear the hell out

1470
01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:45.000
of him or into him. Do
you like that? Like that turn of

1471
01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:47.800
phrase? Sure, because he called
him a devil? Okay, fine whatever,

1472
01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:50.159
you know what? No, fine, No, it's wasted on,

1473
01:52:50.319 --> 01:52:58.600
it's wasted It's fine. Much like
sorry. Much like mother leads of the

1474
01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:02.479
Jersey Devil myth, Dan Leeds's third
wife had given birth to nine children,

1475
01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:09.279
a large number of children even for
the time. Leeds second wife and first

1476
01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:14.479
daughter had both died during childbirth.
Leeds and his family were prominent in South

1477
01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:18.520
Jersey and Pine in the Pine Barrens
area as a Royal surveyor with strong allegiance

1478
01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:23.800
to the British Crown. Leeds had
surveyed and acquired land in the Egg Harbor

1479
01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:28.720
area, located within the Pine Barrens. I think I stayed in Egg Harbor.

1480
01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:31.279
I think that's where my hotel was
actually, Okay, or near that,

1481
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:36.640
because that sounds really familiar. The
land was inherited by Leeds's sons and

1482
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:41.680
family and is now known as Leeds
Point, one of the areas in the

1483
01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:46.000
Pine Bearons currently most associated with the
Jersey Devil legend and alleged Jersey Devil sightings.

1484
01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:48.479
That's where we're going. We're going, by the way, We're going

1485
01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:53.960
to Leeds Harbor, Leads Point,
sorry, Egg Harbor and Leeds Point.

1486
01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:57.079
We're going there. Okay, going
there, man, and we're getting a

1487
01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:59.760
tailor, hammeg and cheese while we're
at it. I know where a Wawa

1488
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:04.119
is around there. Perfect. Then
we then we have sustenance. We can

1489
01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:09.720
survive this trip. I say,
um, but actually we're gonna take a

1490
01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:19.479
really quick break and then we're gonna
dive deeper into the Jersey Devil. All

1491
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:25.680
right, we are back and diving
deeper into the Jersey Devil. Michelle are

1492
01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:30.800
you ready? Do you have your
Jersey Devil spray on? The kind that

1493
01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:33.119
gets rid of them, not attracts
them. Oh man, why didn't you

1494
01:54:33.119 --> 01:54:39.000
tell me that earlier? I like
the idea that it's like you just have

1495
01:54:39.039 --> 01:54:42.319
two bottles in your in your bedroom, one that says Jersey Devil with like

1496
01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:45.000
a plus, and when this says
Jersey Devil with a negative, and you're

1497
01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:48.640
like, um, this one,
he said, to where my Jersey Devil.

1498
01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:58.479
So, Starting in the seventeenth century, English Quakers established settlements in southern

1499
01:54:58.479 --> 01:55:01.439
New Jersey, the region in which
the Pine Barrens are located. Daniel Leads,

1500
01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:05.439
a Quaker and a prominent person of
pre revolution colonial southern New Jersey,

1501
01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:13.319
became ostracized by his Quaker congregation after
his sixteen eighty seven publication of almanacs containing

1502
01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:17.960
astrological symbols and writings. Oh wow, they were like, look at this,

1503
01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:24.159
Look at this evil you've published.
LEO, today you will face challenges

1504
01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:30.159
state a state. That's that's how
I imagine it went down entirely in every

1505
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:38.279
way. Yeah, today you will
face struggles. Leeds's fellow Quakers deemed the

1506
01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:43.960
astrology and these almanacs as two pagan
or blasphemous, and the Almanacs were censored

1507
01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:47.640
and destroyed by the local Quaker community. Wow. Yeah, like these folks,

1508
01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:53.399
I mean they're kind of rough still
like their oats though. Yeah.

1509
01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:57.960
In response to and in spite of
this censorship, Leads continued to publish even

1510
01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:03.840
more esoteric, astrological Risian writings and
became increasingly fascinated with Christian occultism, Christian

1511
01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:11.640
mysticism, cosmology, demonology, and
angelology. That says angelology. Wow,

1512
01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:17.960
and you can't spell angelology without lull
and natural magic. Oh he was delving

1513
01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:24.159
man in sixteen. In the sixteen
nineties, after his Almanacs and writings were

1514
01:56:24.199 --> 01:56:30.600
further censored as blasphemous or heretical.
Heretical by the Philadelphia Quaker Meeting, Leeds

1515
01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:38.239
continued to dispute with the Quaker community, converting to Anglicism and Anglicism and publishing

1516
01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:43.840
anti Quaker tracks, criticizing Quaker theology
and accusing Quakers of being anti monarchists.

1517
01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:51.000
Oh no, I nothing is more
fun than going down the rabbit hole of

1518
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:57.520
Christian sects. That's sects, although
the other one is also very interesting,

1519
01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:01.199
but for different reasons. But no, like different Christian sects because it's like

1520
01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:06.600
they're the Quakers are worried about him
being anti monarchist. But Quakers are a

1521
01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:14.199
religious extreme group back and then they
were somewhat religious extremists and were looked down

1522
01:57:14.319 --> 01:57:18.000
upon by monarchs generally. Yeah,
that's what led to them being in America.

1523
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:21.159
Yeah, was that it was like, look, nobody likes you guys,

1524
01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:26.119
so like, get on a boat
and probably die. That's what we

1525
01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:31.680
want. Like I would take that
personally, but yeah, whatever. But

1526
01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:34.479
that's one of the big ones is
that he accused the Quakers I was being

1527
01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:39.720
anti monarchists. Why wouldn't they be
anti monarchists. Yeah, that's weird.

1528
01:57:40.119 --> 01:57:45.359
I mean I'm an anti monarchist and
not a Quaker yet, but the Quakers

1529
01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:50.039
are welcome to try. And in
the ensuing dispute between Leads and the Southern

1530
01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:56.239
New Jersey Quakers over leads his accusations, Leads was endorsed by the much maligned

1531
01:57:56.239 --> 01:58:02.039
British Royal Governor of New Jersey,
Lord corn Ah. Very nice to meet

1532
01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:09.159
you, miss Adler. I'm Lord
Cornbury. That's weird. I mean,

1533
01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:15.079
I'm from the English Cornburies. Oh
okay, perhaps you've heard of my other

1534
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:20.000
family the wild Thornberries. Oh okay, now I feel better. People always

1535
01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:25.000
know about them. First, go
to hell, Nigel, you and your

1536
01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:32.039
stupid daughter. Anyway, keep being
New Jersey. Very good. Sorry,

1537
01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:38.960
Lord Cornbury despised among the Quaker communities. Oh wow, yeah, maybe they

1538
01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:44.239
were anti monarchist. Good on them. Leeds also worked as a counselor to

1539
01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:47.880
Lord Cornbury about this time, considering
Leeds as a trader for aiding the Crown

1540
01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:54.039
and rejecting qua Quaker beliefs, The
Quaker Burlington Meeting of Southern New Jersey subsequently

1541
01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:59.399
dismissed Leads as evil. Jeez,
you know, I don't know if he's

1542
01:58:59.399 --> 01:59:06.960
siding with the monarchy in pre Coloe
or in a pre revolutionary America like you

1543
01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:13.800
know GTFO. Yeah. In seventeen
hundred, the local South Jersey Quaker community

1544
01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:19.359
retaliated against Leeds as anti Quaker tracks
with their own tract Satan's Harbinger encountered be

1545
01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:26.279
something by way of answer to Laniel
Daniel Leads they had a way with titles,

1546
01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:32.000
yeah, which publicly accused Leads of
working for the devil. Oh wow.

1547
01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:35.800
During seventy I didn't know any of
this. By the way, like

1548
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:41.760
this is actually very fascinating to me. During seventeen sixteen, Daniel leads his

1549
01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:47.359
son Titan Leads. That's a name, Yeah, Titan Leads leads. Yeah.

1550
01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:53.880
Titan Leads inherited his father's almanac business, which continue to use astrological content

1551
01:59:53.920 --> 02:00:00.399
and eventually competed with Benjamin Franklin's popular
Poor Richard's Almanac. Oh oh. The

1552
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:06.680
competition between the two men intensified when, during seventeen thirty three, Franklin satirically

1553
02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:13.000
used astrology in his almanact to predict
the Titan. To predict Titan Leeds death

1554
02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:17.439
on October of that same year,
I told you they get they get nasty.

1555
02:00:17.720 --> 02:00:25.359
Yeah, that's so good. Like
like imagine for a moment, everybody

1556
02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:30.960
just just take a moment and imagine
that. Like, uh, I'm dating

1557
02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:33.880
myself. But back when like Turner
Broadcasting had, uh you know, was

1558
02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:38.680
run by Ted Turner. Imagine Ted
Turner went on CNN and said and next

1559
02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:43.680
week or and just report it like
and this just in, Uh, Rupert

1560
02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:47.039
Murdoch is dead. He'd like what
he'd like, Yeah, the owner of

1561
02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:53.079
News Court and Fox He's dead.
Although he did like come out and say

1562
02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:55.600
like hey, Rupert Murdoch, I
want to box you. So he was

1563
02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:58.600
Actually he may be a bad example. He was a bit old school in

1564
02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:01.640
that way. But yeah, just
like according to our astrologist, you're gonna

1565
02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:10.039
die, Perry Perry. Though Franklin's
prediction was intended as a joke at at

1566
02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:15.279
his competitor's expense and a means to
boost Almanacs tales, Titan Leeds was apparently

1567
02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:19.600
offended at the death prediction. What
a snowflake, right, yeah, really,

1568
02:01:20.439 --> 02:01:27.760
publishing a public admonish admonishing of Franklin
as a fool and a liar.

1569
02:01:28.479 --> 02:01:32.880
Oh. In a published response,
you gotta be careful to liar. That's

1570
02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:38.880
that's actually libelous calling someone a fool. It's like you can't really prove that

1571
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:41.800
someone's not a fool or is a
fool in a court, but liar,

1572
02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:45.680
who people would see you for calling
them liars. In a published response,

1573
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:50.239
Franklin mocked Titan Leeds's outrage and humorously
suggested that, in fact, Titan Leeds

1574
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:56.000
had died in accordance with the earlier
prediction, and was thus writing his Almanacs

1575
02:01:56.079 --> 02:02:00.479
as a ghost resurrected from the grave
to haunt and torment. Franklin. Wow,

1576
02:02:03.640 --> 02:02:08.039
all right, I know that if
I existed in that time, I

1577
02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:10.880
would be treated as less than human. But I wish I lived then,

1578
02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:15.239
just for the lulls. Yeah,
just for that, just so I could

1579
02:02:15.239 --> 02:02:21.000
read. I could read these Almond
Acts and be like, damn, wow,

1580
02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:25.960
I love that. Franklin's joke is
like, you did die and now

1581
02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:30.079
you're a ghost haunting me. Yeah. Franklin continued joke to jokingly refer to

1582
02:02:30.119 --> 02:02:34.800
Titan Leads as a ghost, even
after Titan leads his actual death in seventeen

1583
02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:40.560
thirty eight. Well, wow,
he didn't live much longer after that,

1584
02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:43.960
Like, he only lived like five
more years after they said you were gonna

1585
02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:45.199
he was gonna die. I don't
know how old he was. Though,

1586
02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:51.720
Daniel Leads is blasphemous and occultist reputation, and his pro monarchy stance in the

1587
02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:58.319
largely anti monarchist colonial south of New
Jersey, combined with Benjamin Franklin's later continuous

1588
02:02:58.319 --> 02:03:02.039
depiction of his son Titan Leads as
a ghost, may have originated or contributed

1589
02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:06.399
to the local folk legend of a
so called Leads devil lurking in the pine

1590
02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:15.600
barrens. So it seems that Benjamin
Franklin continued to make fun of Titan leads

1591
02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:18.960
after he died, like, kept
like going, oh, Titan leads his

1592
02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:24.039
ghost here again being a little bit. Yeah, man, that's cold blooded.

1593
02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:27.760
Yeah, I don't know. I'm
shocked, but I don't know.

1594
02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:32.039
I think I might respect that almost
because it's so unbelievably cruel. Yeah,

1595
02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:38.399
I don't know how I feel.
Man. During seventeen twenty eight, Titan

1596
02:03:38.520 --> 02:03:43.359
Leads began to include the Leeds family
crest on the masthead of his Almanacs.

1597
02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:47.880
The Leeds family crest depicted a wyvern, a bat winged dragon like legendary creature

1598
02:03:47.920 --> 02:03:53.439
that stands upright on two claude feet. Regal notes that the am I saying,

1599
02:03:53.439 --> 02:04:00.920
wiverin right, Yeah, wyverin.
But you're supposed to be the fact

1600
02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:04.840
checker. Oh you're like, oh
god, I never once knew that wivern

1601
02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:12.560
wivern. It's wivern wivern Okay.
The Leeds family crest depicted a wivern,

1602
02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:15.640
a bat winged dragon like legendary creature
that stands upright on two claude feet.

1603
02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:21.560
Regal notes that the wivern on the
Leeds family crest is reminiscent of the popular

1604
02:04:21.600 --> 02:04:26.239
descriptions of the Jersey Devil. That
is true, that's a fair point.

1605
02:04:26.880 --> 02:04:30.680
The inclusion of this family crest on
Leads his almanacs may have further contributed to

1606
02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:36.600
the Leeds family's poor reputation among locals. Impossibly influenced the popular descriptions of the

1607
02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:45.119
Leeds Devil or Jersey Devil. The
fearsome appearance of the Crest's wivern, and

1608
02:04:45.479 --> 02:04:50.159
the increasing animosity among local South Jersey
residents towards royalty, aristocracy, and nobility

1609
02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:55.960
with whom family Crests were associated may
have helped facilitate the legend of the Leeds

1610
02:04:55.960 --> 02:05:00.479
Devil and the association of the Leeds
family with devils and monsters. Yeah,

1611
02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:02.720
I was, you know, I
never would have guessed when it was like,

1612
02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:05.640
so, what really caused the Jersey
Devil? I would not have guessed.

1613
02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:11.479
Politics. Yeah, me neither.
Actually, not even a little bit.

1614
02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:16.159
Yeah, not even a little bit. So now we're going to go

1615
02:05:16.199 --> 02:05:20.560
into the more information about the Leads
Devil. Okay. Regal notes that by

1616
02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:25.479
the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen
hundreds at the latest, the Leads Devil

1617
02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:30.199
had become ubiquitous, legend, become
an and ubiquitous sounds wrong, but it's

1618
02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:34.760
right, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and ubiquitous legendary monster or ghost story

1619
02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:40.000
in the southern New Jersey area.
In the early to mid nineteenth century,

1620
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:44.600
stories continue to circulate in southern New
Jersey of the Leads Devil, a quote

1621
02:05:44.680 --> 02:05:49.520
monster wandering the Pine Barons. An
oral tradition of Leeds devil monster slash ghost

1622
02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:56.840
stories became well established in the Pine
Barons area. Although the Leads Devil legend

1623
02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:01.800
has apparently existed since the eighteenth century
or the eighteenth century, Regal states that

1624
02:06:01.880 --> 02:06:06.680
the more modern depiction of the Jersey
Devil, as well as how pervasive the

1625
02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:12.560
Jersey Devil name has become, first
became truly standardized in current form during the

1626
02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:16.199
early twentieth century. So that's when
it became the Jersey Devil. Okay,

1627
02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:20.560
I mean that makes sense. Yeah, why not? You know during the

1628
02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:29.279
pre revolutionary period. Oh, this
is of writings from his name Regal.

1629
02:06:30.079 --> 02:06:32.359
During the pre revolutionary period, the
Leeds family, who called the Pine Bearn's

1630
02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:36.000
home, soured its relationship with the
Quaker majority. The Quakers saw no hurry

1631
02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:41.600
to give their former fellow religionist and
easy time in circles of gossip. His

1632
02:06:41.720 --> 02:06:45.920
wives had all died, as had
several children. His son Titans, stood

1633
02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:49.399
accused by Benjamin Franklin of being a
ghost. The family crest had winged dragons

1634
02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:54.199
on it. In a time when
thoughts of independence were being born, these

1635
02:06:54.239 --> 02:07:00.159
issues made the Leeds family political and
religious monsters. From Wow, it was

1636
02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.800
about him being a Tory. Yeah, you remember what a tory is,

1637
02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:10.199
right I think so? Or loyalist
the people who stuck by England during the

1638
02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:15.840
revolution. Yeah, and wow.
From all this, over time, the

1639
02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:19.479
legend of the Leads devil was born. References to the Jersey Devil do not

1640
02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:24.720
appear in newspapers or other printed material
until the twentieth century. The first major

1641
02:07:24.760 --> 02:07:28.640
flap came in nineteen o nine.
It is from these sightings that the popular

1642
02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:31.439
image of the creature, bat like
wings, horsehead claws, and general air

1643
02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:38.239
of rag of a dragon became standardized. Wow, I mean this is actually

1644
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:42.880
really fascinating. Indeed, many,
indeed many references to a Leads Devil or

1645
02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:46.880
devil of Leads appear in earlier printed
material prior to the widespread usage of the

1646
02:07:46.960 --> 02:07:51.920
Jersey devil name. During eighteen fifty
nine, the Atlantic Monthly published an article

1647
02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:58.399
detailing the Leads devil folk tales popular
among Pine barren residents, or quote pine

1648
02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:03.199
rats. What it says pine rats. I'm guessing that was the first term

1649
02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:09.239
for pineys. Yeah, pine rats. If anybody lives in the pine barons,

1650
02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:13.119
let us yep. I looked up
the pine pine rats and it goes

1651
02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:20.479
straight to piney on Wikipedia. So
it's another word for piney um, poor

1652
02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:24.640
pineys. A newspaper from eighteen eighty
seven describes sightings of a winged creature referred

1653
02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:28.960
to as the Devil of Leads,
allegedly spotted near the Pine barrens and well

1654
02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:33.279
known among the local populace of Burlington
County, New Jersey. Yay, oh

1655
02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:39.520
really, yeah, were you in
Burlington County? No, but my mom

1656
02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:41.640
was for a little while. That's
where I remember that. Okay, yeah,

1657
02:08:43.359 --> 02:08:48.600
So here's another another bit from that
book that Regal wrote whenever we went

1658
02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:54.199
near it. From the quote of
the you the gosh. I'm sorry,

1659
02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:58.880
my brain is a little bit mush
from being sick all week, but this

1660
02:08:58.960 --> 02:09:03.439
is from Atlantic Monthly. Whenever he
went near it, it would give a

1661
02:09:03.520 --> 02:09:07.199
most unearthly yell that frightened the dogs. It whipped at every dog on the

1662
02:09:07.239 --> 02:09:11.720
place. Quote that thing said,
the colonel quote. Is not a bird

1663
02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:16.119
nor an animal, but is the
leads Devil, according to the description.

1664
02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:22.479
And it was born over in Evsham, Burlington County a hundred years ago or

1665
02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:26.880
the Evesham I don't know, There
is no mistake about it. I never

1666
02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:31.600
saw the horrible critter myself, but
I can remember well when it was roaming

1667
02:09:31.640 --> 02:09:35.239
around in Evesham Woods fifty years ago, and when it was hunted by men

1668
02:09:35.239 --> 02:09:39.680
and dogs and shot at by the
best marksmen there were in all of South

1669
02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.720
Jersey, but could not be killed. There isn't a family in Burlington or

1670
02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:46.279
any of the adjoining counties that does
not know of the leads Devil. And

1671
02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:52.720
it was the bugaboo to frighten children
with when I was a boy. Okay,

1672
02:09:52.119 --> 02:09:56.880
so it was their lairna. Yeah, yeah, it was like be

1673
02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:01.640
careful if you misbehave the Jersey Devil
little around you like it's children. Wait,

1674
02:10:01.640 --> 02:10:05.520
now that's not how we go,
but I do. I love that

1675
02:10:05.640 --> 02:10:07.960
stuff. I love stories meant to
just scare children into acting, right,

1676
02:10:09.359 --> 02:10:11.520
I know you do, because it
worked on me sort of. I mean

1677
02:10:11.560 --> 02:10:16.000
I still became I still went into
show business. So it didn't work perfectly.

1678
02:10:16.800 --> 02:10:20.560
But all right, So now we're
getting into reported sightings. Okay,

1679
02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:26.199
there are many claims of sightings and
occurrences involving the Jersey Devil. According to

1680
02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:31.319
legend, while visiting the Hanover Millworks
to inspect his cannonballs being forged, commodore

1681
02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:35.560
Stephen Decatur cited a flying creature and
a fire and fired a cannonball directly upon

1682
02:10:35.600 --> 02:10:39.239
it to no effect. Oh,
that would have been like one of the

1683
02:10:39.239 --> 02:10:43.680
most powerful weapons known to man at
that time was a cannon. Yeah.

1684
02:10:43.760 --> 02:10:46.760
I mean maybe he just missed it. Oh, I'm sure he missed it

1685
02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:52.720
and didn't want to record that he
missed it, but still. Joseph Bonaparte,

1686
02:10:52.840 --> 02:10:56.239
elder brother of Napoleon, is also
claimed to have seen the Jersey Devil

1687
02:10:56.279 --> 02:11:01.600
while hunting on his Boordentown estate in
eighteen twenty WOW. During eighteen forty the

1688
02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:05.319
Jersey Devil was blamed for several livestock
killings. Similar attacks were reported during eighteen

1689
02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:13.479
forty one, accompanied by tracks and
screams Wow tracks tracks. In Greenwich Township.

1690
02:11:15.319 --> 02:11:18.279
In December nineteen twenty five, a
local farmer shot an unidentified animal as

1691
02:11:18.279 --> 02:11:22.680
it attempted to steal his chickens,
and then photographed the corpse. Afterward,

1692
02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:26.000
he claimed that none of one hundred
people he showed it to could identify it.

1693
02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:31.319
But we don't get to see it
today. Maybe we do. Let

1694
02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:39.239
me see if I can find it. I'm gonna try. Nineteen twenty five

1695
02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:48.359
Jersey Devil photo man claims and photographed
the mythical Jersey Devil. Oh well,

1696
02:11:48.399 --> 02:11:52.359
that's not from that time period.
I don't think we have it. Oh

1697
02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:56.239
huh. I guess we could have
just kept reading to find out. But

1698
02:11:56.279 --> 02:12:03.159
whatever. See. On July twenty
seventh, nineteen thirty seven, an unknown

1699
02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:07.880
animal with red eyes seen by residents
of Downingtown, Pennsylvania, was compared to

1700
02:12:07.880 --> 02:12:13.039
the Jersey Devil by a reporter for
the Pennsylvania Bulletin. In nineteen fifty one,

1701
02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:16.439
a group of Gibbstown, New Jersey
boys claimed to have seen a monster

1702
02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:22.039
matching the Devil's description, and claims
of a corpse matching the Jersey Devil's description

1703
02:12:22.079 --> 02:12:26.640
arose in nineteen fifty seven. During
nineteen sixty, tracks and noises heard near

1704
02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:31.159
May's Landing were claimed to be from
the Jersey Devil. During the same year,

1705
02:12:31.199 --> 02:12:35.319
the Merchants around Camden offered a ten
thousand dollars reward for the capture of

1706
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:39.479
the Jersey Devil, even offering to
build a private zoo to house the creature

1707
02:12:39.560 --> 02:12:43.359
if it was captured. Wow,
do you think I mean? I would

1708
02:12:43.359 --> 02:12:48.039
assume the Jersey Devil would not hang
in Camden. Now, yeah, I

1709
02:12:48.119 --> 02:12:50.520
was going to say that maybe if
they had caught the Jersey Devil, Camden

1710
02:12:50.560 --> 02:12:54.800
would be a different place than it
is today. For those who don't know,

1711
02:12:54.880 --> 02:13:01.199
Camden is not known for being a
happy place to live. So now

1712
02:13:01.239 --> 02:13:05.399
we get into a wave of sightings
that started in nineteen o nine. Oh

1713
02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:09.399
okay, during the week of January
sixteenth through twenty third, nineteen o nine,

1714
02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:15.199
newspapers published hundreds of claimed encounters with
the Jersey Devil from all over South

1715
02:13:15.279 --> 02:13:18.880
Jersey in the Philadelphia area. Interesting, that's a lot, I mean,

1716
02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:24.479
like hundreds. Yeah. Among these
alleged encounters were claims the creature attacked a

1717
02:13:24.520 --> 02:13:28.920
trolley car and Hadden Heights and a
social club in Camden. What what do

1718
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:33.640
you hang out and Hadden Heights?
Oh that's right, somebody that I know

1719
02:13:33.760 --> 02:13:37.960
lives. I'm not docsing people,
I don't docks anybody please? Yeah,

1720
02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:41.680
but what is their first and last
name? Okay, it's police and Camden

1721
02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:48.239
in Bristol, Pennsylvania supposedly fired on
the creature to no effect. Other reports

1722
02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:52.560
initially concerned unidentified footprints in the snow, but soon sightings of creatures resembling the

1723
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:56.960
Jersey Devil were being reported throughout South
Jersey and as far away as Delaware.

1724
02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:03.359
Oh that's not that far, I
mean and western Maryland. Okay, that's

1725
02:14:03.359 --> 02:14:07.119
a little bit farther. It's further
than Philly. Yeah, I mean,

1726
02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:13.920
actually Delaware to south South Jersey might
be closer than Philly, So whatever,

1727
02:14:15.239 --> 02:14:20.119
fair enough. During this period,
oh wait, sorry, miss, the

1728
02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:24.800
widespread newspaper coverage created fear throughout the
Delaware Valley, prompting a number of schools

1729
02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:28.439
to close and workers to stay home. Oh wow, makes sense, I'm

1730
02:14:28.439 --> 02:14:35.239
assuming for two weeks to flatten the
monster curve. Too soon, vigilante groups

1731
02:14:35.279 --> 02:14:39.359
and groups of hunters roamed the pines
and countrysides in search of the devil.

1732
02:14:39.880 --> 02:14:43.800
During this period, it is rumored
that the Philadelphia Zoo posted a ten thousand

1733
02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:48.079
dollars reward for the creature. The
offer prompted a variety of hoaxes, including

1734
02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:54.239
a kangaroo equipped with artificial claws and
bat wings. That's pretty cool, like

1735
02:14:54.279 --> 02:14:58.119
a Fiji mermaid. But it's a
Jersey Devil kangaroo. Yeah, yeah,

1736
02:14:58.159 --> 02:15:01.279
I want to Okay, So it
said nineteen o nine, So let's find

1737
02:15:01.279 --> 02:15:07.079
out what ten thousand dollars was in
nineteen o nine. Okay, because I'm

1738
02:15:07.079 --> 02:15:11.319
curious with inflation? Will take ten
thousand dollars today? Yeah? Me too?

1739
02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:15.840
But what do you think the equivalent
in purchasing power is? Fifty thousand

1740
02:15:15.880 --> 02:15:18.600
dollars, three hundred and thirty four
thousand, two hundred and five dollars and

1741
02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:22.640
forty nine cents? Oh wow?
Yeah, Inflation's a hell of a thing.

1742
02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:31.279
All right. So um, so
now we're getting into the description and

1743
02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:33.800
explanation of what the Jersey Devil might
be. Okay, and I know you

1744
02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:39.760
have thoughts on this and they're very
serious. Yeah, but first we're going

1745
02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:43.399
to take a quick break and we'll
be back to look into what could be

1746
02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:56.199
the Jersey Devil after these words.
All right, Shell, are you ready

1747
02:15:56.239 --> 02:16:01.119
to blow the lid off of this
mystery? Let's do it. You're ready

1748
02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:07.960
to find out what the Jersey Devil
really is? Sure? Okay, I

1749
02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:13.319
know you have a theory, and
I'm assuming that if it will probably come

1750
02:16:13.399 --> 02:16:18.079
up in this list of explanations,
and if it doesn't, then that means

1751
02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:26.000
that's your time to shine, you
crazy diamond. All right. So skeptics

1752
02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:30.520
believe the Jersey Devil to partially be
nothing more than a creative manifestation upon the

1753
02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:35.760
imaginations of the early English settlers in
South Jersey, with plausible natural explanations,

1754
02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:41.920
including bogeyman stories. It's with one
o Boogeyman's stories created and told by board

1755
02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:46.680
Pine Bearn residents as a form of
children's entertainment, the byproduct of the historical

1756
02:16:46.719 --> 02:16:52.319
local disdain for the Leeds family,
the misidentification of known animals and rumors based

1757
02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:56.799
on common negative perceptions of the local
rule population of the pine Barons known as

1758
02:16:56.840 --> 02:17:01.280
Pineys. I've actually so the first
time I asked somebody when I was living

1759
02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:03.000
in Jersey who lived in Jersey.
I asked them, like, what they

1760
02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:07.399
thought of the Jersey Devil? They
said they said, I don't know,

1761
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:09.479
but watch out for those Pineys.
That was like literally what they had to

1762
02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:18.399
say. So, have you any
experiences with Pine's now the Frighteners? You

1763
02:17:18.399 --> 02:17:20.239
know what. I like to joke
that your life is boring. But I

1764
02:17:20.319 --> 02:17:26.040
think in reality, it's just that
my life is highly reckless because I'm like,

1765
02:17:26.079 --> 02:17:30.079
I have stories of just like every
stupid thing that you can do.

1766
02:17:30.799 --> 02:17:33.920
The frightening reputation of the Pine Bearons
may indeed have contributed to the Jersey Devil

1767
02:17:35.000 --> 02:17:41.040
legend. Historically, the Pine Barons
were considered inhospitable land. Gangs of highwaymen,

1768
02:17:41.159 --> 02:17:46.200
such as the politically disdained Loyalist Brigands
brigad Ends, known as the Pine

1769
02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:50.200
Robbers, were known to rob and
attack travelers passing through the Barons Wow.

1770
02:17:50.840 --> 02:17:54.760
During the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds, residents of the isolated Pine Barons were

1771
02:17:54.799 --> 02:18:01.440
deemed the dregs or outcasts of society, poor farmers, fugitives, brigadends,

1772
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:07.079
Native Americans, poachers, moonshiners,
runaway slaves, and deserting soldiers. It's

1773
02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:11.079
quite a list. Sounds like nice
people. Yeah, they all sound like

1774
02:18:11.079 --> 02:18:13.680
people i'd want to hang out with. Yeah, I mean, maybe not

1775
02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.520
like Brigadends or whatever. But I
was going to say moonshiners, Oh,

1776
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.479
why, they're probably super nice.
They're just going to keep offering me alcohol,

1777
02:18:20.520 --> 02:18:24.120
and but that's only because they're trying
to be nice. I bet you.

1778
02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:26.120
I bet you could be like,
no, thank you, but if

1779
02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:26.799
you have any fried chicken, let
me know, and they'd be like,

1780
02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:30.840
oh, we got fried chicken because
is moonshiners from back in the day.

1781
02:18:31.040 --> 02:18:33.440
I know you're a vegetarian, but
back then you wouldn't have been allowed to.

1782
02:18:33.920 --> 02:18:37.319
Yeah, you would have been a
witch. I know. So called

1783
02:18:37.440 --> 02:18:43.239
Pine's have sometimes fostered certain frightening stories
about themselves and the Pine Barons to discourage

1784
02:18:43.239 --> 02:18:50.760
outsiders or intruders from entering the barons. Pine's were further demonized and vilified after

1785
02:18:50.840 --> 02:18:56.959
two eugenic studies were published during the
early twentieth century which depicted Pine's as congenital

1786
02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:05.840
idiots and criminals cheeze as seen in
the research performed on the Calikak family by

1787
02:19:05.879 --> 02:19:09.879
Henry H. Goddard, which is
now considered biased, inaccurate, unscientific,

1788
02:19:09.920 --> 02:19:16.879
and most likely falsified. Wait so
it's biased, inaccurate, unscientific, and

1789
02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:22.440
most likely falsified. I feel like
that's I mean, okay, like I

1790
02:19:22.520 --> 02:19:24.559
get you. I get you.
It's important to remember that in the early

1791
02:19:24.559 --> 02:19:33.639
twentieth century, eugenics was considered like
a somewhat normal theory of how human of

1792
02:19:33.959 --> 02:19:37.360
how humans work. It was,
it was much less fringe. Now it's

1793
02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:41.680
it's completely fringe, But back then
people used to kind of buy it.

1794
02:19:41.120 --> 02:19:45.840
Obviously, it leads to racism and
stuff, so it's not a great concept.

1795
02:19:46.079 --> 02:19:50.079
But you'd be like, people would
be shocked how many historical figures they

1796
02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:54.120
liked were eugenicists to an extent,
I don't want to bring up any because

1797
02:19:54.120 --> 02:19:56.159
it's very political. Yeah, but
no, I mean, it's like it

1798
02:19:56.200 --> 02:20:01.479
was just a thing people believed that
was not right, and there's plenty of

1799
02:20:01.559 --> 02:20:07.079
them out there. Jeff Brunner of
the Humane Society of New Jersey thinks the

1800
02:20:07.159 --> 02:20:11.479
Sandhill Crane is partially the basis of
the Jersey Devil stories, adding quote,

1801
02:20:11.559 --> 02:20:16.399
there are no photographs, no bones, no hard evidence whatsoever, and worst

1802
02:20:16.440 --> 02:20:20.239
of all, no explanation of its
origins that doesn't require belief in the supernatural.

1803
02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:26.879
Outdoorsman and author Tom Brown Junior spent
several seasons living in the wilderness of

1804
02:20:26.920 --> 02:20:33.280
the Pine Barrens. He recounts occasions
where terrified hikers mistook him for the Jersey

1805
02:20:33.319 --> 02:20:37.040
Devil after he covered his whole body
with mud to repel mosquitoes. Well,

1806
02:20:37.120 --> 02:20:43.799
okay, like some of that's on
you pal, Okay. I wonder what

1807
02:20:45.079 --> 02:20:48.559
year that was. I mean guessing
that was the early twentieth century and not

1808
02:20:48.760 --> 02:20:52.879
like twenty seventeen. I hope not, but you never know. I kind

1809
02:20:52.879 --> 02:20:56.760
of hope it was twenty seventeen.
Last year, author Tom Brown, junior

1810
02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:05.000
medical sociologist Robert E. Bartholomew,
and author Peter Hassell site the infamous nineteen

1811
02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:09.120
o nine series of sightings of the
Jersey Devil and the subsequent public panic on

1812
02:21:09.159 --> 02:21:15.239
a classic example of mass hysteria begun
by a regional urban legend. Sure,

1813
02:21:16.079 --> 02:21:20.360
I mean, once it's in all
the newspapers. Yeah, that mass hysteria

1814
02:21:20.440 --> 02:21:24.200
is not far behind. Yeah.
One New Jersey group called the Devil Hunters

1815
02:21:24.200 --> 02:21:30.280
referred to themselves as official researchers of
the Jersey Devil and in devote time to

1816
02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:35.120
collecting reports, visiting historic sites,
and going on nocturnal hunts in the Pine

1817
02:21:35.120 --> 02:21:39.319
Bearons in order to quote find proof
that the Jersey Devil does in fact exist.

1818
02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:48.079
Good, okay, Yeah, at
least they're not cruel eugenicists, due

1819
02:21:48.159 --> 02:21:52.639
in part to their isolated and undeveloped
nature. The Pine Bearons have themselves fostered

1820
02:21:52.719 --> 02:21:56.760
various folk legends. Apart from the
Jersey Devil, many other legends are associated

1821
02:21:56.760 --> 02:22:01.879
with the Pine Bearons. Supernatural creatures
and ghosts said to haunt the pine forests

1822
02:22:01.879 --> 02:22:05.559
include the ghost of pirate Captain Kidd, who supposedly buried treasure in the Pine

1823
02:22:05.600 --> 02:22:11.200
Bearons and is sometimes allegedly seen in
the company of the Jersey Devil. Just

1824
02:22:11.280 --> 02:22:13.319
hang out together. Yeah, they're
just like they're just chillbuds, you know,

1825
02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:20.440
they brow down out there. Yeah, the ghost of the ghost of

1826
02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:24.719
the Black Doctor, the benevolent spirit
of an African American doctor who, after

1827
02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:28.120
being forbidden from practicing medicine due to
his race, entered the Pine Bearons to

1828
02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:33.360
practice medicine and isolated communities of the
Pine Bearns, and is said to still

1829
02:22:33.399 --> 02:22:37.200
come to aid of the Law of
Lost and Injured Travelers. Wow, that's

1830
02:22:37.239 --> 02:22:39.200
kind of kind of cool. Actually, oh yeah, that's a cute story,

1831
02:22:39.239 --> 02:22:45.559
Like that's cute, while involving the
story of the history of racism,

1832
02:22:45.719 --> 02:22:48.959
Like it's a it's a cute concept
though. It's like, so the Black

1833
02:22:48.000 --> 02:22:52.879
Doctor went to the isolated Pine Bearns
so he could keep helping people, and

1834
02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:56.360
now to this day when hikers are
lost, he still helps people from beyond

1835
02:22:56.440 --> 02:22:58.639
the grave. That's like I find
that to be like one of the most

1836
02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:05.879
wholes them. Yeah, like urban
legends I've heard in a while. Yeah

1837
02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:09.479
that a lot of lightning and thunder
Yeah, good, good, good.

1838
02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:13.120
Michelle's lucky. She has the perfect
atmosphere for this because there's a thunderstorm going

1839
02:23:13.159 --> 02:23:16.879
on right now. Yeah, like
the last hour. Yeah, it's good

1840
02:23:16.920 --> 02:23:22.399
stuff. Okay. Another one,
the Ghost of the Black Dog, which,

1841
02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:28.280
unlike many black dog legends, is
usually portrayed as harmless. The Ghost

1842
02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:31.479
of the Golden Haired Girl, the
spirit of a girl who is said to

1843
02:23:31.479 --> 02:23:33.639
be staring out into the sea dressed
in white, mourning the loss of her

1844
02:23:33.680 --> 02:23:39.440
lover at sea. And the White
Stag, a ghostly white deer said to

1845
02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:43.159
rescue travelers in the barons from danger. Oh, this sounds like there's lots

1846
02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:46.280
of nice ghosts in the pine barrens. Yeah, they're not all bad.

1847
02:23:46.719 --> 02:23:52.600
There are also folk tales concerning the
Blue Hole and unusually have you heard of

1848
02:23:52.639 --> 02:23:56.840
this? Maybe an unusually clear,
blue and rounded body of water located in

1849
02:23:56.879 --> 02:24:03.280
the pine barrens between Monroe Township,
Gloucester County and Winslow Township, Camden County,

1850
02:24:03.760 --> 02:24:07.600
and often associated with the Jersey Devil. What have you heard about that?

1851
02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:11.399
That there's like I don't know,
because I might be thinking of some

1852
02:24:11.479 --> 02:24:15.600
other blue hole in some other country, but like maybe that like it doesn't

1853
02:24:15.639 --> 02:24:18.639
have a bottom, and that like
you die if you'd go in it,

1854
02:24:18.719 --> 02:24:20.680
or something like that. I mean, it could have a bottom and you'd

1855
02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:24.559
still die. It's called drowning.
No, but this this is a better

1856
02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:31.600
This is you drowned better? This
way better or worse? I guess rowing

1857
02:24:31.799 --> 02:24:37.239
drowning badly would be not drowning at
all. Yeah, exactly exactly. Writing

1858
02:24:37.239 --> 02:24:45.040
in Jan Harold Brunvand's American Folklore and
Encyclopedia, Rutgers professor Angus Kress Gillespie called

1859
02:24:45.040 --> 02:24:48.959
the Jersey Devil quote an obscure regional
legend for most of its existence, and

1860
02:24:50.040 --> 02:24:52.840
said that quote, after more than
two hundred and fifty years in oral circulation,

1861
02:24:54.200 --> 02:24:58.159
the legend of the Jersey Devil has
many variations. Gillespie cites the devil's

1862
02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:03.479
image used on t shirts, buttons
and postcards, and cocktails named after the

1863
02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:07.159
devil as indications that quote the recent
history of the Jersey Devil is more in

1864
02:25:07.200 --> 02:25:13.040
the realm of popular culture than folklore. So did that cover any of your

1865
02:25:13.079 --> 02:25:16.040
theories? No, well, then
I want to hear your theory about the

1866
02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:22.600
Jersey Devil. Everybody gather around get
your popcorn. So I isn't totally my

1867
02:25:22.680 --> 02:25:26.920
theory someone else's. But what I
think is what I would think was interesting,

1868
02:25:28.040 --> 02:25:33.600
is that the Jersey Devil might be
if the sightings aren't mass hysteria kind

1869
02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:41.280
of thing, which they might be, that it may be somebody mistaking a

1870
02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:46.239
bat for the Jersey Devil, like
a very large, weird bat. Okay,

1871
02:25:46.879 --> 02:25:50.280
like something like them. Sorry,
I don't remember what it was,

1872
02:25:50.879 --> 02:25:56.559
the hammer headed bat, which is
this giant bat and the thing. The

1873
02:25:56.600 --> 02:25:58.760
only problem is that they're not from
New Jersey. They're not native to New

1874
02:25:58.799 --> 02:26:05.600
Jersey. The native to Africa.
But okay, it's I'm totally into this.

1875
02:26:05.840 --> 02:26:09.280
Yeah, I might be a little
bit off on some of my like

1876
02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:11.719
facts about this, but like,
oh, no, one's expecting us to

1877
02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:18.200
be smart or good at all.
Okay. So, like they're like like

1878
02:26:18.319 --> 02:26:22.360
canals and stuffs in the pine barrons
and things, and they used to be

1879
02:26:22.600 --> 02:26:28.200
used for um trade trade routes and
there'd be There were ships during the time

1880
02:26:28.639 --> 02:26:33.319
when a lot of like the Jersey
Devil sidings were There were ships coming all

1881
02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:39.200
the way from Africa, and there
are theories that some of these bats may

1882
02:26:39.239 --> 02:26:43.840
have come on some of the ships
and they just scared the ship out of

1883
02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:48.399
people because they're so large and weird
looking. And then either they died out

1884
02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:54.479
because they're not they wouldn't be able
to survive in this climate, or they

1885
02:26:54.399 --> 02:27:01.479
um either evolved or made it with
some bad population. And we have kind

1886
02:27:01.479 --> 02:27:05.639
of this weird looking species of bat
that people see every once in a while.

1887
02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:09.799
So I looked up the hammerhead bat
because I had never seen one.

1888
02:27:09.159 --> 02:27:15.840
Yeah, and that is a very
strong possibility. Aren't they so cute?

1889
02:27:15.879 --> 02:27:18.040
They're incredibly cute, but they you
know what they look like? To me?

1890
02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:22.799
They look like, you know how
like in like Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

1891
02:27:22.840 --> 02:27:26.760
how things how people change when they
become a vampire, Like they get

1892
02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:30.920
different ridges in their ears and stuff
change. To me, a hammerhead bat

1893
02:27:31.000 --> 02:27:33.559
is just a vampire copy Bara.
Okay, yeah, look at that and

1894
02:27:33.559 --> 02:27:37.719
then look at him. Yeah,
it's like it's like a Buffy the Vampire

1895
02:27:37.760 --> 02:27:41.600
Slayer vampire copy Bara. Yeah,
which is a which is a very big

1896
02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:46.520
land roadent. It has a especially
in some of these photos, a very

1897
02:27:46.520 --> 02:27:50.719
goat like head. Yeah. Yeah, it's got like a weird space shape.

1898
02:27:50.760 --> 02:27:54.559
And there they get kind of big, like that one that that guy's

1899
02:27:54.600 --> 02:28:01.040
holding in his hand in a picture. Yeah, that's huge. So well.

1900
02:28:01.079 --> 02:28:09.600
And and I've always believed that they're
cranes because they're super common in that

1901
02:28:09.639 --> 02:28:11.520
part of Jersey. Yeah, I
mean, the only the only reason I

1902
02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:15.639
would say that they aren't crane is
that people should know what cranes look like.

1903
02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:20.559
No, I mean, I do
agree with that, So I will

1904
02:28:20.600 --> 02:28:24.280
say though, the best I've ever
seen was the hammerhead bat for things that

1905
02:28:24.360 --> 02:28:30.760
I think kind of look like the
Jersey devil yay in a way, you

1906
02:28:30.799 --> 02:28:33.520
know, like, um, I
wonder if I could find a picture of

1907
02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:43.520
a hammerhead bat flying. Yeah,
Oh my god, that is scary looking,

1908
02:28:45.399 --> 02:28:50.159
because you know bats. Yeah,
yeah, so I do. I

1909
02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:54.399
wouldn't be shocked if this was like
one of the earliest sightings could have been

1910
02:28:54.440 --> 02:28:58.079
something like this, which would have
scared the hell out of people. Yeah.

1911
02:28:58.120 --> 02:29:01.280
But that being said, I think
that a lot of the modern sightings

1912
02:29:01.360 --> 02:29:07.079
are probably cranes. Maybe, but
you know, most of these sightings are

1913
02:29:07.079 --> 02:29:13.239
at night and stuff, and I
have heard that like where most Jersey Devil

1914
02:29:13.280 --> 02:29:18.799
sightings are reported is where Cranes happened
to also very much live. But I

1915
02:29:18.799 --> 02:29:22.040
could be wrong. Maybe it's just
a devil. Yeah I should, you

1916
02:29:22.079 --> 02:29:26.280
know, stop talking smack about him. Yeah so, but I appreciate that

1917
02:29:26.280 --> 02:29:30.479
that was not mentioned at all in
here. So maybe you should go edit

1918
02:29:30.520 --> 02:29:35.079
Wikipedia. Maybe I will. So
before we wrap this topic up, I

1919
02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:39.159
want to talk briefly about the hoaxes, because, like any good folklore,

1920
02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:46.120
there have been hoaxes. Okay.
Gordon Stein, in Encyclopedia of Hoaxes,

1921
02:29:46.120 --> 02:29:48.959
published in nineteen ninety three, noted
that the alleged footprints of the Jersey Devil

1922
02:29:50.040 --> 02:29:54.200
during nineteen oh nine resembled a horse's
hoof. According to Stein, a man

1923
02:29:54.399 --> 02:30:00.719
later admitted he had faked some of
those prints. Yeah. Jeff in the

1924
02:30:00.760 --> 02:30:03.840
World's Greatest Hoaxes, published in two
thousand and six, has claimed that Norman

1925
02:30:03.959 --> 02:30:11.959
Jeffries was involved in hoaxing the Jersey
Devil. Jeffries, publicist for Philadelphia's Arch

1926
02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:18.280
Street Museum and renowned hoaxter, was
well aware of the stories about the Jersey

1927
02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:22.639
Devil. So when the museum proprietor
TF Hopkins admitted that it was in danger

1928
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:28.520
of closure unless Jeffries came up with
something to boost attendances. The publicist decided

1929
02:30:28.559 --> 02:30:35.319
that a captive Jersey Devil would be
the ideal crowdpooler. He also planted non

1930
02:30:35.399 --> 02:30:41.479
fictional newspaper stories about new sightings of
the devil. During nineteen oh nine,

1931
02:30:41.559 --> 02:30:45.920
Jeffries with his friend Jacob Hope,
an animal trainer, purchased a kangaroo from

1932
02:30:45.920 --> 02:30:50.159
a circus and glued artificial clause and
bat wings onto it. They declared to

1933
02:30:50.200 --> 02:30:54.879
the public that they had captured the
Jersey Devil, and it was displayed at

1934
02:30:54.879 --> 02:31:00.959
the museum. Wow. Twenty years
later, Jeffries admitted to the Hope Wow,

1935
02:31:01.120 --> 02:31:03.639
it took twenty years, you know. Yeah, I guess a good

1936
02:31:03.719 --> 02:31:09.719
joke takes a while to not be
funny anymore. So I don't know.

1937
02:31:09.799 --> 02:31:13.959
I mean, at least that's a
hoax. That's good, like a good

1938
02:31:13.200 --> 02:31:18.120
concept for a hoax because it has
a purpose and a goal. And that's

1939
02:31:18.159 --> 02:31:22.040
a big problem with like conspiracy theories
and things like that is that they often

1940
02:31:22.120 --> 02:31:26.639
don't have that. So it just
it's like, oh, and then somebody

1941
02:31:26.680 --> 02:31:30.440
just decided they were a dickhead,
so they did this. You're like,

1942
02:31:30.959 --> 02:31:35.680
why though, it's a jerk,
I guess, you know, or for

1943
02:31:35.719 --> 02:31:37.280
the lulls, And it's like,
not everything's for the lulls, as you

1944
02:31:37.280 --> 02:31:41.840
know. I mean, I get
though, like, you know, a

1945
02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:46.079
hoax, hoaxes are I get like
how fun it is to pull one over

1946
02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:52.719
on people? But you know,
ye what I mean, it's fun.

1947
02:31:52.799 --> 02:31:56.799
Like earlier, I pretended some old
man was screaming on the corner of Butler,

1948
02:31:56.840 --> 02:32:01.200
New Jersey about the Jersey Devil that
you were way more interested. That

1949
02:32:01.360 --> 02:32:05.159
was pretty good, But it wasn't
a hoax, Like we didn't perpetuate it

1950
02:32:05.239 --> 02:32:11.840
for like a long period of time
or anything. Okay, you're right,

1951
02:32:11.920 --> 02:32:18.040
You're right this one time. Okay, But I think now it's time to

1952
02:32:18.040 --> 02:32:22.200
wrap up the show for this month. I need to go rest some more

1953
02:32:22.200 --> 02:32:28.360
because apparently I'm still a bit sick. But I do want to mention that

1954
02:32:28.280 --> 02:32:33.040
last Friday on this podcast feed,
I did a recording of the Fall of

1955
02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:37.920
the House of Usher by Ed Grollan
Poe, and holy crap, I forgot

1956
02:32:37.920 --> 02:32:41.360
how good that story is. It's
a really good story. Have you read

1957
02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:46.319
it? I don't know actually because
I've read a lot of ed grolland Poe

1958
02:32:46.399 --> 02:32:48.000
when I was like, I don't
know, like in middle school. Yeah,

1959
02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:52.360
sure, so like I don't know
if I've actually read it. Basically,

1960
02:32:52.479 --> 02:32:54.840
it's about a guy who goes to
visit an old childhood friend who lives

1961
02:32:54.840 --> 02:33:00.280
in like an old money castle that's
barely maintained because the family's not as rich

1962
02:33:00.280 --> 02:33:03.440
as they used to be, and
he's very ill and his sister's very ill.

1963
02:33:03.719 --> 02:33:09.239
And one of my favorite things is
that it like there's a major storm

1964
02:33:09.280 --> 02:33:11.200
toward the end of the story,
and to calm his friend down, he

1965
02:33:11.239 --> 02:33:16.600
reads segments from a like a romance
novel to him to try and like cheer

1966
02:33:16.680 --> 02:33:18.799
him up. And it turns out
the romance novel doesn't exist. So he

1967
02:33:18.879 --> 02:33:22.639
made up the title of a romance
novel and then made up like segments from

1968
02:33:22.680 --> 02:33:26.799
it, but also referred to it
as like a romance novel. Every Poe

1969
02:33:26.840 --> 02:33:28.719
referred to it as a romance novel. Everybody knew because he was like and

1970
02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:33.600
during the part obviously where this happens, and I was like, that's really

1971
02:33:33.639 --> 02:33:35.440
funny, because I googled it after, I was like, oh man,

1972
02:33:35.479 --> 02:33:39.360
it doesn't exist, So but it
was just funny because it would be like

1973
02:33:39.399 --> 02:33:43.040
he'd be reading from like an excerpt
of a book and then go back to

1974
02:33:43.120 --> 02:33:46.000
like, then the storm made this
sound, and then another excerpt of a

1975
02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:48.040
book, trying to calm everybody down. But the other thing is I love

1976
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:54.319
classic literature like Poe, but it
sometimes I've realized I put classic literature on

1977
02:33:54.399 --> 02:34:01.000
such a pedestal of being really really
excellent and like, you know, beyond

1978
02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.280
regular writing. Now that I'm reading
Poe as an adult, I'm realizing so

1979
02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:07.399
many of post stories are literally like, hey, check out this cool shit

1980
02:34:07.479 --> 02:34:11.399
that happened to me, and it's
not even real, like but it's fictional

1981
02:34:11.000 --> 02:34:16.000
because that story is literally like about
a guy riding a horse by the former

1982
02:34:16.040 --> 02:34:18.840
House of Usher and then remembering the
last day that the House of Usher stood

1983
02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:22.440
when he visited. It's really good. So anyway, check that out if

1984
02:34:22.479 --> 02:34:26.200
you guys get a chance. It's
definitely worth listening to. And it's I

1985
02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:30.159
mean, it's not like it costs
you anything. And also, this coming

1986
02:34:30.200 --> 02:34:31.799
Friday, because it's Monday right now, this coming Friday will be a brand

1987
02:34:31.840 --> 02:34:35.920
new episode of Cutting Deep into Horror
with myself and Salise. I know,

1988
02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:41.440
you enjoyed our talk about Hereditary I
did, and this month or week or

1989
02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:43.159
whatever, we do the shows as
much as we can fit into our schedule.

1990
02:34:43.959 --> 02:34:46.959
But this time around, we're going
to be talking about the nineteen eighty

1991
02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:52.520
one Polish film sort of Possession,
okay. And the reason I say sort

1992
02:34:52.559 --> 02:34:56.360
of is because the filmmaker was Polish, but it was shot in West Germany

1993
02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:03.360
earned West Berlin, and it's in
English, so it's kind of a Polish

1994
02:35:03.360 --> 02:35:07.520
film. So but we're going to
talk all about that movie. And that

1995
02:35:07.559 --> 02:35:13.120
movie is heavy duty, very scary, very cerebral, very triggering in every

1996
02:35:13.120 --> 02:35:16.360
way, and that's what we always
go for, cutting deep into horror.

1997
02:35:16.479 --> 02:35:20.920
So that's all I have to say
about that. So before we get out

1998
02:35:20.959 --> 02:35:22.159
of here, Chell, do you
have anything else you want to say?

1999
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Oh? That's okay, Okay,
that makes sense. Well, until next

2000
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month, everybody, when we celebrate
a full year, because we'll be starting

2001
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our second year of doing this program, and Michelle is going to dress for

2002
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the occasion, she's promised, But
until next time, for myself, Enrique

2003
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Couto, and for Michelle. I
was gonna say, Chell, and then

2004
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I said Michelle, So I said
Michelle Michelle, we will catch you next

2005
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time. But first I want to
say a big thank you to our Patreon

2006
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podcast boosters, folks who pay just
a little bit more to hear their name

2007
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on the end of our shows.
And if you want to join them,

2008
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just go to Weekly Scoopy dot com
and click on Patreon. For as little

2009
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as one dollar a month, you
can get bonus episodes and so much more

2010
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and know that you're helping us directly
keep the shows going. And those patron

2011
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podcast boosters are bobletopia dot com,
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2012
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checkout you can get ten percent off
and no, ten percent of your purchase

2013
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is going to us. Megan Who, Julia Kirsh, Brent mccaullough, Gino

2014
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Lyon, Steve King, Karen We
met, Jack Kerr and Craig Cohen.

2015
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Thank you to all of them,
and thank you Michelle. Yeah, thank

2016
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you so much for doing the show
with me. Thank you too. Oh

2017
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you're nice. This was nice and
wholesome. All right, Back to constant

2018
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intestinal cramping for me.