Monthly Spooky | Halloween Haunts, Ghost Stories & Poltergeists

0:01 Hey, my spookies, for a very special October edition of Monthly Spooky, I am actually in Philly with Michelle. Michelle, are you excited about this show or what? I don't know. That's what I expected to hear. Get comfortable. Turn off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky. Monthly Spooky. Hey, spookies. I wasn't lying at the beginning. It's Monthly Spooky, and I am excited to say for the first time ever on the show. Yeah. Where we're recording in Philly together in person.

0:42 Yeah. I mean, it's not Philly, but it's close to Philly. Do you want me to just give your address instead? Yes. No. But I don't want to be one of those people who's like, oh, I'm from Philly, or I'm in Philly and I'm not actually in Philly. But I mean, you would never say that to somebody... in Philly or around Philly. But you don't know who's listening. I was just trying not to name your neighborhood, you know, like I was just trying to keep an eye out for you. Well, thank you. So I'm trying, man. I'm trying. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm in Delco somewhere. So that's, it's, I'm close enough to Philly. Well, okay. I'll, uh, make the, uh, the thumbnail, a photo of your house with the, uh, street name written on the bottom. Yeah. That way people can just come and visit, you know, cause it is the time it's that season.

1:23 I mean, hey, I don't care. Whatever. Show up, kill me. Yeah, whatever you want to do is fine. Well, this has been a very cool trip for me because this is the busiest time of year for me by a large margin. October is just nuts. People who are listening here are probably fully aware of just the sheer amount of stuff that I'm doing here on the channel and for Weekly Spooky and The TikTok keeps growing and I don't understand why this is happening to me. But I managed to find just enough time to do a little sojourn out to visit with you. And we've been going to Halloween stuff. We went to the Bates Motel Haunted Hayride. Yeah. Which was super fun.

2:09 Yeah. I really liked that one. My favorite part was the actors that did wire work. Every now and then you'd look up and there'd be actors zooming across like on a, like what do you call that? Like a. Like a zip line almost. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're harnessed to it. Yeah. I wish. I mean, that must be kind of a fun job. You could probably get it. You're local. I guess. But I don't want to work at night. And it's cold out. You're allowed to wear overalls and stuff. They didn't say that. It was on the sign. Oh. Okay. But their haunts were super fun. The hayride was so cool. Um, and I got like really, I nerded out so bad about that hayride because when we sat down, I realized we were literally just sitting on a flat trailer covered in hay. Yeah. And I hadn't done that since I was a little kid, like been on a hayride like that.

3:04 Usually they have like the little seat benches is what I'm used to. Like bales or just regular benches? Regular benches. We had bales when I was a kid, but I mean like all the hayrides that go on now, they have like little bench. Oh, I don't think I've been on a hayride with a bench. Wow. It's always a bale of hay. This is Chell's way. She always wants to one-up you. Oh. You know, this is her move. I just wanted to tell you about the bales of hay. Sure you did. Sure you did. But so I'm pumped. We've never done Monthly Spooky, you know, in the same room. No. So I'm pulling the curtain back a little bit. But don't worry. We're keeping it fun and festive. I made Michelle use a dark purple microphone screen and I have an orange one. So we're like really festive. And then I'm wearing a bunch of Halloween stuff and Michelle is wearing earth tones.

3:55 Yes. Which. Well, it's mostly black and gray. Yeah. Yeah. I would, I would almost call those earth tones. They're definitely a muted tone. Okay. So it's like the dirt, like, which is, which is important for Halloween. Cause that's what you bury people in. See, when you're right, you're right. I'll give you that one. I gotta, I gotta give you that one. But we, we did the haunts. We went into Philly proper last night to, oh gosh, what was it called? Halloween haunted house? Or was it just Halloween or Philly Halloween haunt? No, I think, I think you're right. I think it's Halloween haunted house. Yeah. And it was fine. I mean, I mean, it was definitely, they did not, I found that by just searching like things in Philly that were Halloween related.

4:40 Mm-hmm. It's for little kids. Yeah. It was not clearly stated that it was for little kids. Yeah. I mean, we weren't expecting it to be something nuts. It was all ages and it said no haunt actors, you know, it's just like whatever. So we were just walking through all these like set pieces and a few of the things were really fun. Like throwing the toilet, there was like a little neighborhood you could toilet paper basically. That was fun. I got to teach Michelle how to toilet paper. Yeah. Not like that. I mean like to a house. You knew how to do it the other way, I think. I hope. I don't know. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. So we've been having a lot of fun, though. And I think after we're done recording this, we're going to go to like an orchard or something.

5:21 Yeah, we're going to see outside things. Yeah, we're going to do autumnal things. The Bates Motel haunt was really cool. Unfortunately, I'm only here during the week. So we had to pick haunts that were open during the week. But in a strange turn of events, Bates Motel and Haunted Hayride open all week long. As well as the Eastern State Penitentiary, which I would have been more like, let's go, but you've been. Which, not that that hurts it, it's just like that makes me more excited to go to one that neither of us have been to. Yeah, yeah. And the Bates Motel one's three attractions instead of just one. But I do want to try the Eastern Penitentiary. That sounds really, really cool. So you liked it, right? Yeah, I actually just want to go in there when it's not. Like a haunted attraction.

6:06 You mean the other 11 months out of the year? Yes. But I don't want to take like a tour. Like I just want to be in there. You just want to like sneak in when no one's looking. I mean, no, I just want someone to say, hey, Michelle, you can live here now. And I'll be like, yes. Okay. I'll just take this cell. This is fine. This is my cell now. You know, I mean, you can get, there are easier ways to get a jail cell. No, I want to be able to come and go and whatever. Not with the work release program. I don't think that they'll allow that. I think even if you buy it, like if you rent the cell, well, then you're a prisoner. That sounds right to me. Okay, fine. Well, can I just stay there like overnight and look for ghosts at least?

6:47 I bet they do that. I would like that. Let's do it. Okay. I mean, you got to call. No. Forget it. Never mind. I'll just hide in this corner. But I have heard good things about that one. And I wanted to check out like Field of Screams in Lancaster, but they're not open during the week. Hopefully next year when I visit, maybe I can come during the weekend. Yeah. And I kind of wanted to check out Penrith Asylum because that's kind of a big one too. Oh, yeah. That's the one. That's. You know what? I think in my brain I got the penitentiary one confused with Penhurst Asylum. Yeah, Penhurst Asylum is, I guess, supposed to be really good. I've heard very good things. It's a little bit out of the way, but, you know. Most of them are. I mean, what I ideally would like to do next year is, like, you know, have, like, a whole deal, like, go all the way out wherever the really big fun ones are. Because you guys have some of the biggest ones in the country. Second only, I think, to Central California as far as sheer magnitude of them. So, but Ohio, we got everybody beat by per capita.

7:46 Yeah. We have more haunted houses per person in Ohio than any other state. So weird. Isn't that wild though? Cause in Ohio, I hear people say like, we have the most ever. And I looked into it. I was like, no, we have the most based on population though, which is more impressive in a lot of ways. Like you, you guys have like these huge haunts, but you have like 4 million people in your metropolitan area. We have like, Maybe two thirds as many haunts, but we have like 750,000 people in our metro area. Like that's crazy. So, and I've been enjoying the haunts, my local haunts a ton. I went to one called Hell's Dungeon, which I had zero expectation for and was blown away. The people there were just super fun.

8:31 And the scares were like, there were good scares too, but it was like the funnest one I've ever been to, I think. Just for the sheer like playfulness of everything. I mean, because if I want the scariest one I've ever been to is still Face Your Fears Hotel of Terror. That one's scary, man. Like the Bates Motel had a few good big scares. That's definitely more of a family deal. Yeah, definitely. Although I love when I go to haunts. This is not a criticism. This is like a sincere musing. I love when I go to haunts and they have like big things to say like this is for all ages. Like this is family friendly. And there's just like body parts with like hooks through them on the walls. And everybody's like cursing at you. Well, there wasn't nearly as much swearing as I've experienced other haunts, but yeah.

9:12 There was some. But we need to take a moment to celebrate what I think you and I both agree was the best moment of our Bates Motel experience. Yeah. We walk up, we've got Fastpass, but it's like Tuesday, it's Monday. So it was all, it was very, you know, it wasn't super busy or anything. But like, so we walk up and the guy's just like, all right, he checks our tickets. He's like, so you want just you two or do you want to be with another group and we're like oh just us if that's okay he's like oh yeah that's fine you know so they like a minute goes by he's like all right you can uh wait in here and they'll uh they'll come and get you in a second and we like walk in and then the moment we walk in he goes enjoy your stay and slams the door yeah that caught me so off guard it didn't well the door slam scared me a little bit because you know i'm a i'm like a chihuahua but but but uh but it was just like i wasn't expecting that in any way shape or form so it like just made me go.

10:06 Oh yeah yeah because it's so cool it seemed like he was just like not really into it like oh this is my job here yeah yeah i think that was on purpose i think so too yeah. Yeah that's really brilliant like And now all I can think is I'm like, I wonder if that was like a thought that was that like the designer, you know, the owner or whatever, whoever designed the haunt. Uh, like, I wonder if he was like, it'd be great if you were disinterested, but yelled or if that guy is just like, this is my shtick. Cause they get, they rotate, you know, like at a carnival, like you rotate who does what. So I was like, part of me was like, I wonder if he's just like, I just like to do like the low key voice and then say, enjoy your stay and slam the door. Uh, cause either way I love it, but that was super, super cool. So it's been really cool. It's been really fun. I've been pushing myself to get out and enjoy as much October as I can. Cause that's the hardest part about podcasting is you mostly just sit in like a relatively dark room forever until you tie. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but I was able to take some time and come out here.

11:08 Of course, as I say that, as I'm like on the trip recording a podcast, but But that was the other benefit was like I'd get to hang out with Chell and watch spooky movies and go to some haunts because Chell would never. spend the money to. Go no no what the hell is wrong with the world she. Was mortified by how much the haunt cost and she was looking at the cheap ticket i was gonna get us the i did get us a more expensive ticket you were like scared we'll get 40 and i was like oh gosh i'm. Gonna spend way more than that 40. Because there's three haunts that's that's not even 15 a haunt. But it's i don't know. But more importantly, I finally got my cider donuts while we were there. And I got to admit, I'm happy that it happened here because I didn't get any cider donuts last year because the cider donuts here are definitely better.

12:00 Probably because that place like farms cider. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was really good too. The food was pretty good. They had like a concession. This is the third or fourth. I've been to a bunch of haunts this year. It's actually kind of blowing my mind to realize like, oh, and I just found out literally before we started recording. There's a new haunt literally in Moraine, Ohio, which is where I live. Like it's not a big town. Oh. See, I have a weird name and everyone knows it. So like if people really want to find me, they will. Yeah. So I don't care. I live in Moraine. I mean, I actually don't care either, but I'll pretend that I do because it makes you feel better. I keep forgetting Michelle's, like, she, like, wants to put her personal information out and then just sit by her front door with a shotgun on her.

12:40 Yeah. Soon. Yeah. Soon. Yeah. That way you're like, I figure worst case, best case, I get away with it. Worst case, I get a cell. Yay. Yay. I hope it's in a cool, like, really bad place. Yeah. Really awful. Yeah. I hope it's not in one of those, like, oh, we like everyone here and the guards are super nice. Like, no. Club fed places. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. But it opened, like, so it's in, like, it's so close by, I don't know how I didn't hear about it. But I'm going to try and, when I get home on the weekend, I'm going to try and go there. Because why shouldn't I? Well, and I found out because they're commenting on the tickets. I was going, please come to our haunt. Come to our haunt. Do this and do that. So, which I was not expecting at all.

13:20 Yeah. Because, like, Hell's Dungeon, I only went because they messaged me and said, we'd love for you to come and, like, you can have comp tickets. And I was like, I'm not even looking for comp tickets. I was just filming wherever I went. Mm-hmm. Because I was just going to go. Mm-hmm. But it is nice that they did that, and I'm happy to spread the word a little bit. If you're in the Dayton, Ohio area, I mean, Hell's Dungeon isn't the only one I recommend, but it is really, really fun. And it was in downtown off of Linden Avenue in the sketchy part of town, which actually made it really fun. Because we, like, got there, and it was super fun because Joe and Ea, my buddies Joe and Ea joined us. And Joe has this, like, super space car. He has, like, this insane futuristic hybrid car. Or not hybrid, EV car. Mm-hmm.

14:01 And we just like pull in and are like fancy cars into like the behind us, like decrepit shopping center. And I was like, this is awesome. And then the moment we walked in, there were zombie ladies line dancing. That's nice. Oh, it was so fun. So anyway, it's just been a really awesome Halloween season for me. I've been able to enjoy it quite a bit. And thank you, Chell, for helping me have fun for Halloween. Yeah, that's not what happened. And then we ate at Chinatown, although I should have ate the shark fin soup. Sorry. Should have tried it. Next time. Next time. But before we take our break and head into the news of the spooky variety, I have a surprise for you and the audience. Our topic this month, which sometimes I forget to even tell you. So I obtained a tome. Uh-huh. Take a look. Tell the people what it is.

14:53 It says it's the Very Scary Almanac. Yeah. Published, I think, in 1992 or 1993. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, I wasn't asking. Well, now I feel like I have 93. Yeah. I'm so good. Yeah. So I think tonight during breaks, Chell, I want you to thumb through it a little bit and that sound and you hang out with the cat too much because gigs make sound little sounds. Yeah. But, but I want you to thumb through it a little bit. And for our topic, we'll just go through a few of the very scary almanac things and And I'm sure none of them will be outdated or inaccurate because this was actually published in 1993 in paperback.

15:34 Yeah. I thought this would be fun. Chell does not think it would be fun. She's making that very apparent. No, I think it's going to be fun. Wow. Why did I try? Why do I try? Trying is the first step to failure, you know? Yeah. But we're going to take a quick break. And when we get back, we will talk all about the spooky news right after this. We're back, and it's time, Chell. Now that we're in person doing it, do you want to do it? You can cue it if you want. It's okay. I know that you like to. But I've done it like 40 times.

16:16 Don't you want to do it another time? I mean, you're a hell of a salesman. It's time for the spooky news. The spooky news. So, Chell, I figure Halloween time, monthly spooky... I'm feeling nostalgic, right? Okay. Well, cause we started the show, I believe in October, a few years back. And it was a really, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. So what for the show, at least. Okay. But because we're feeling nostalgic, I decided, Hey, let's head to mirror.co.uk. So, and this one I feel because Chell real as a side, You are not afraid of anything.

17:08 I'm afraid of things. Name any. Cancer. What kind of cancer? Or is it people who were born during that time? It is all types of cancer, except I'm not scared of prostate cancer. That's the only one I'm not scared of. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's kind of, you know, short-sighted of you, but okay. Hey, if I get prostate cancer... I hope everyone pays me a million dollars. Cause I don't know what that means. I don't either actually. But so at the haunts, you just aren't that scared. No, you barely have. It's weird. Cause like, generally speaking, I would describe you, describe you as having like a, a, a prey ness to you, you know, like a prey animal, this, like a deer or a fawn. Um, but yet once we're at the haunts, you're just kind of like, Oh, scary.

18:03 Yeah, I don't. Well, the thing is, like, I'm so scared all the time of literally everything. Okay. That I've adapted to, like, I have to move through the world like I'm not a frightened prey animal. Oh, okay. All the time. I can appreciate that. So I just, like, turned off my startle response, basically. And I was like, okay, we're just going to get, there's going to be people. Oh, that's nice. I think. It actually sounds really awful. It is really awful. Like, how excited you were to share that. It's really awful. I'm, like, masking constantly. Well, this, I feel like what it really is, even with all of that insight into you, you just gave, I'm going to say none of that's true. Oh. And that the reality is you just desire more.

18:44 Maybe. You just need more. You're like, this doesn't, this doesn't even move the needle. I need someone to hold a loaded gun to my head. Well, I mean, that's kind of how I feel when I watch things. It's always like, someone will be like, wow, this is like real fucked up. And I'm like, yes. And I watch it and I'm like. Yeah, that's not that fucked up. That's how I am with sad things. Oh, yeah. People will just be like, that's so sad. I'm like, I know, I wish it could be sadder somehow. Yeah, I mean, I'm like that with sad things too, but more with fucked up things. Yeah, that makes sense. The more fucked up we can go. I'm so glad you're always the first swear on the show. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's because you're from the Bronx in some way. Yeah. Well, from mirror.co.uk, we have an example of what I think you really wanted, which is, UK Halloween Park experience left woman horrified and feeling, quote, degraded and disturbed. Wow.

19:33 I mean, I don't really believe it was that bad, but wow. Well, I guess we'll find out. Yeah. Mwahahahaha. This is just an ad for that place, though. It would be, honestly, it would be a hell of an ad because it literally says that, like, she was sexually violated, basically. Yeah. a great ad she's a woman you know in in the traditions of broadcasting you bring in a female co-host and to balance the male and bring a level of decorum. I mean, I, I don't know what, I mean, we're not on the radio.

20:16 I don't know what to tell you. Are you, maybe we reversed roles and you're the level. Of, that's my entire life. My entire life is that, um, but, It doesn't matter. We're not on the radio anyway. Although, didn't you were telling me you heard on the radio that more people listen to the radio than listen. To any radios. Than like TVs or podcasts or the internet. Or that listen to the internet. Just listening to the internet. Yeah. A woman was left so shocked by a sexually explicit Halloween experience that she has spoken out against the quote depraved event. This sounds like it is an ad. Yeah. Yeah. Robin Doty, 33, said she attended the adults-only Hellfire Club, an optional experience at the Newsham Scream Park in Liverpool's Newsham Park and Garden with a group of friends last week.

21:01 So Hellfire Club, that's a reference to Stranger Things. Have you seen it all? I haven't seen the last half of the last season. So you've seen most of the good stuff. Yeah, yeah. Hellfire Club was the club that, what's his name, the guitar player guy was into. In Stranger Things? The one who everybody was sad because he. Yeah, the character that I like that I can't remember what his name is right now. Yeah, that's typical. But I just want to mention, I mean, that's what the Hellfire Club was on Stranger Things. Eddie Munson. That was his name. Eddie? Eddie Munson. His last name was Munson? Yes. Now I don't believe myself. No, you're probably right. I don't know.

21:41 Yeah, Eddie Munson. I googled it. Played by Joseph Quinn. You're mean. He's got like a band. Of course he does. And it's pretty decent. I still love the memes that went around when he played, was it Master of Puppets that he played? During that big finale? I think it was. It was a Metallica song? Yeah, I don't remember. Someone pointed out that if you look at the timeline, that that song came out like three weeks ago or something. Oh, really? So they were like, so Eddie Munson had to get a tape and then tab out all of that in that short amount of time. But I believed he would. I would. I do too. Yeah. Um, she was asked to sign a waiver before entering the over 18 area and was expecting quote fun scares in the section quote centered around a sinister secret society.

22:32 But the tattoo artist, she's a tattoo artist. The tattoo artist said the event, which describes itself as a quote award-winning Halloween experience. felt like a, quote, simulation of sexual degradation and sexual violation. Both. I'm going to need more context. Well, that's the entire part. That's all it is. Oh. Wow. Ms. Doherty recounted the experience in a post on TikTok, because all news is actually TikTok now. Yeah, especially on this site. Yeah. Yeah. Saying the attraction should, quote, explicitly warn people about the experience, which she described as sickening. They did have you sign a waiver.

23:17 And it is, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Scream Park is set inside a Victorian-era building, which is transformed into an immersive horror experience every Halloween. You know, I imagine that's all they would be in the UK, because they actually just have standing Victorian buildings. Yeah, I don't, yeah, yeah. Because, like, in Ohio, it's like, we made the facade of a Victorian building, you know, in front of an old school or something. It includes live-action horror mazes, scare zones. I want to know what a scare zone is. I think it's... Just a haunt. Yeah. It's, like, where people jump out and scare you. Yeah. and what the park describes as a, quote, twisted theatrical experience acted out by, quote, scare actors, who promise to, quote, bring your nightmares to life.

24:00 You don't know what my nightmares are. Maybe they do. I mean, that'd be pretty cool. Maybe that's why they can't stop crying. Yeah. Yeah. That's... I feel bad now. I know, buddy. We all do. We all do. Among the sets featured are, quote, haunted wards and, quote, deranged experiments. But Ms. Doty said that these went too far with graphic references to sex acts and incest. She said it, quote, felt like a simulation of sexual assault, sexual degradation, and sexual violation. I like that she didn't say it felt like a simulation of sexual assault, degradation, and violation. She said sexual each time.

24:44 She wanted to make sure that you got the picture. Yeah. No, I mean, that's actually what I think is that she was like, I really need to hammer home this. And the fact that they mentioned she's a tattoo artist, I actually think is really smart because they're like, this isn't some like little lady or like, you know, some like, you know, Christian lady and like a, like a tunic. Yeah. Whatever. I don't know why I said tunic, but I stand by it. I mean, yeah, and tattoo artists, I mean, if you're an actual tattoo artist that actually tattoos and not just somebody who says that they tattoo and then just tattooed their friends one time. Like people who say they're from Philly when they don't live in Philly? Yes. Okay. I know you have a real problem with stolen valor. I do. Which is why I made sure to say that we were not in Philly. Right. Sorry.

25:34 I don't know. I woke up this morning and was like, oh man, I'm kind of slow. We've been staying up late watching horror movies and stuff. I'm kind of slow. And then I just pull out, you have a real problem with stolen valor and it broke myself. Sorry. Please. Please continue. Oh, right. So tattoo artists, assuming that she's a professional tattoo artist, she actually tattoos and she didn't just buy a kit off of Amazon and tattoo like five people. Yeah. You can do that? Buy a kit on Amazon for tattooing? Can I tattoo you? Um, honestly, yeah. Sweet. Let's do it. All right. But only if I can tattoo you and I'll give you that tattoo that you want. See, I see you. This is the perfect example of you really don't realize what a, like a bad deal you're making because I can't draw at all. And you are like talented artists. So I'm like, yeah, I'll take that bet. You can tattoo me.

26:25 I think you misunderstand how like. Violent this is going to be. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds right. But anyway, tattoo artists tattoo, most of them, a lot of them tattoo like all sorts of places, like people's. Elbows. Elbows. And then also their knees, you know, and like their people will get tattoos on like their, their penis sometimes. Yeah. So yeah, that guy, that guy. That guy. Yeah. Got it. But so like, so like, I wouldn't think a tattoo artist would be really prudish. Yeah, I was agreeing. Yeah. Yeah. That was totally with you. Yeah. She added, quote, before you go in, you're asked to sign a waiver and you're given a safe word, but that's in a busy queue where you're surrounded by your mates and there's loud music. Their website lists to be aware of PTSD and anxiety, but nowhere does it say graphically sexual. What does graphically sexual mean, though?

27:21 I mean, for me, if something was graphically sexual, I would assume that it is literally people having sex? I would go one step gentler than that I would say if they were simulating literal sex acts like it's one thing for like people to be like I'm just making stuff up because I don't know what this is gonna say next but to be like saying like I'm gonna you know get you I'm gonna get you alone I'm gonna rape you like all of that is what like that's a lot but that's like whatever I But if, like, there's haunt actors, like, literally, like, bumping into each other, like, acting like they're, I consider that graphically sexual. Okay. They don't have to, like, literally be, although that would also be graphically sexual. Actually, that would not be somehow. That would be okay. That would be fine. Yeah.

28:02 No, but that's what I, to me, that's what it means is, like, it's one thing to be referencing sex. It would be another thing to be trying to depict literal sex. Okay. Uh-huh. That's my opinion, though. Okay. As an attorney. Mm-hmm. Only in the United Kingdom. Yes. The park, however, states that its terms and conditions reflect its nature, including its themes, the physical interaction and, quote, sensory effects employed in the experience. Newsham Screen Park said in a statement, quote, The Hellfire Club is an operational adults-only immersive horror attraction designed to deliver an intense experience. It is clearly identified as an 18-plus attraction with ID required for anyone under the age of 21. All guests must complete a digital waiver before entering, and there is a CCTV in place covering the entirety of this attraction and the full event to protect all participating guests and actors.

28:54 Guest welfare is a priority through the attraction and our terms and conditions, which must be agreed to before entering the attraction. Outline the nature of the experience, including its adult and horror themes, physical interaction, and sensory effects. They also highlight that some elements may cause distress. Identify circumstances in which the attraction occurs. may not be suitable and explain that guests can end their participation immediately at any time using the safe word provided without explanation. So, to me, it sounds like this is pretty intense. Yeah. And that she didn't fully read the terms of service. Well, there's... Or she thought that, yeah. No, no, please. Or she thought that it wasn't going to be, but yeah. Yeah. Well, and also, um, I have a, another opinion I'll give it because this actually articles almost over. She never said like, there's no specifics at all.

29:42 I really don't like that. Yeah. I mean, either. Yeah. Uh, quote, the extensive CCTV coverage is constantly monitored. The entire team is always in contact via radio with production, all attractions immediately halting any of the attractions. If there are any issues whatsoever. So, uh, although this is always dangerous, uh, comments, always one, adults only, signs a waiver, and how many times does the bungalow need to tell them or warn them? British people are weird. Yeah. Apparently, the Hellfire Club was an elite society where you could take part in socially taboo activities back in the 1700s in England. Okay. But that's just some person who's probably been dead for weeks who said that on the internet.

30:27 Oh, okay. Yeah. It's a bot. Yeah, probably. My favorite commenter is Blue Tiger, who said LOL. Good job. So what I'll say is, I sincerely, and maybe I'm just jaded, I love haunts. I really do. And if you'd asked me six years ago, I'd be like, they're cool. Now I try to go to as many as I can possibly go to. I enjoy it so much. It's so much fun to... experience the geeky, spooky stuff with other people who are excited to experience geeky, spooky stuff. But it sounds to me like marketing. It does sound like marketing. Because the more stuff you have to sign, the more you, it's, it's the story.

31:10 Yeah. You're being told, you know, to, you know, like you have to sign this bodily waiver and you have to sign this thing and you have to sign this thing and you have to sign this thing. I did a touch pass at Face Your Fears Hotel of Terror. And yeah, you had to sign like a thing saying like, you know, we won't get in trouble if you get dismembered and stuff. But that was, like, in the legalese. Wow. So, like, it's, like, in case you read it, I think, to get you, like, spooked. Mm-hmm. So, to me, like, I mean, I don't know. The fact that she didn't depict anything, it does, I feel like this might be a publicity stunt. It's, yeah, because now, I mean, I can't go because it's in England. I mean, we could get you a ticket. No. The season's not over. I'm not allowed to go there. Oh. Not anymore.

31:51 Oh. Not after the last time I went there, and I went to a haunted house there. Oh. Yeah. Oh yeah. They don't like, they don't take kindly to what I did there. Gosh, this is getting worse by the second. I'm a little nervous now. Well, I'm not going to tell you because I'm not allowed to, because the lawyer said not to discuss it. Not your lawyer, just a lawyer. Yeah. Just a lawyer that I. Met in the street. It wasn't the big dog. Yeah. No, they don't do this kind of case. Okay. But pond will hockey. I'm sure it does. It's kind of out of their, their purview, but sure. But yeah, no, but it like makes me want to go there now and see what the hell this is. And that's smart.

32:31 It's good marketing. Good business. Yeah. Well, we're going to take a break. And when we come back, we are heading to Boise. Oh. Where some issues are coming up that are kind of gnawing away at the festivities in their little celebration. Oh. Right after this. All right, Chell. Okay. Have you ever been to Boise? No. I feel like you'd love it. I probably might. I mean, I'm not picking on Boise, and I'm not saying anything about Boise because I've not been. I just know that you like places that are... You would be...

33:15 You would love... It's not that you would like Boise itself. You would love to go there to see what Boise's like. Yeah. Because you like to see places like that. Like, when I went to Iowa City, it was freaking awesome. Yeah. I think you would love Iowa City. Okay. But we're going to Boise, Idaho, where the headline reads... This is from K-I-V-I-T-V dot com. There was a movie I watched where the scary movie from 1989 where the it was like KVDB TV. Yeah, it was KVDB TV or KVDB TV, not BD. That's really hard to say. Yeah. And that was the joke. Like the lady kept like struggling with KVDB TV. I keep forgetting that I'm not your normal person. Not at all, but your normal tongue twister person, because I do them all the time to exercise.

34:06 But this is from KIVITV, or KIVITV, if you like that. And the headline reads, it's a bummer. Rats are feasting on Halloween decorations in Boise Bench. Oh, no. And then it includes how to keep your Halloween decorations off the menu for rats. Wow. Rats are eating pumpkins and just about everything in Boise bench gardens, pushing neighbors to rethink their fall traditions and move their seasonal decor indoors. The rats will come inside too. Damn right they will. Apparently people are putting like signs up in their yard. It says like stay away rats. Like I think making jokes about the rats. Oh. Kayla Grote.

34:49 Great name. usually puts pumpkins on her porch for Halloween. This year, she's trying to beat the rats by picking them green from her garden and letting them ripen inside. After 16 years in her Boise bench home, Grote said this is the first summer she's seen the rats. It is weird the idea of just rats in your neighborhood. I don't see rats in the neighborhood. I see squirrels and rodents, but. I mean, are you seeing pictures in that article? Not yet. Because it could be that it's a very inner-city neighborhood. Cause I've saw rats in like West Philly one time. It was scary. Yeah. We'll see. What was, what was it really big? Okay. So I, it would, I was like walking on the 4,800 block of pine, not pine. One of those streets around there. And, um, like, uh, I was just walking down the block and I saw this thing up ahead on the ground and it was this giant, totally wet rat because it had just rained yeah and it started coming towards me and i was like what and i just ran across the.

35:53 Street man that's awesome hazel hazel. Maybe the name of the rat no no it was the name of the block maybe it was near hazel yeah okay uh. Um after 16 years in our boise bench home for summer quote it's essentially a race between me and the rats who gets to the produce first groat said I have sat awake at night just stressed out about the issue. To know that it's just being destroyed is really upsetting. Keeping pumpkins off the porch means giving up part of her fall decorating routine, but it is her way of trying to keep the rats away from the house. Quote, another thing that feels like the rats are invading into your life. Or another thing. Oh, yeah. Another thing that feels like the rats are invading into our life. It's a bummer. Oh, so the sign. I just saw the sign.

36:40 A better picture of the sign in the yard. It's got drawings of rats on it, and it says, while you debate, and it's got the, what's it called, the Capitol building from D.C., we populate. So I'm guessing that this is a political issue, that people are like, why aren't you doing anything about the rats? Nearby, Patty King is also rethinking where her pumpkins will go. Painting and carving them is a tradition she shares with her grandkids. Quote, I won't be doing that this year, King said. As you can see, we're doing fake Halloween decorations and pumpkins, fake pumpkins. What are other real Halloween decorations other than jack-o'-lanterns being made of pumpkins? Oh, maybe not pumpkins, but what about like.

37:21 Severed arms? Yeah, the real ones. I was thinking like corn stuff things. Oh, yeah, like autumnal. I like to say autumnal. I know. Autumnal things. Okay, I could like that. King is urging her neighbors to do the same. Quote, I'm hoping that we'll all make an effort, especially by not feeding them, King said. I can hire a pest control company to come and remediate, but I know a lot of my neighbors can't. And they're going to move around, so it's not going to do anything. Well, everybody would have to do it at once. Yeah. That's the move. They're outside rats. I think you got a problem. I think you're underestimating our ability to mass kill. You don't have to kill enough rats. to end the entire thing you just have to kill enough rats to make them go to the next town over okay yeah that's important too i'm not you probably realistically could get like a fourth of them but then they'll all go somewhere else that's really the thing you don't want to be your next door neighbor's problem you want to be your next town over's problem and then they can maybe they'll have effective politicians i guess yeah um matt schwartz service manager at vertex pest control says pumpkins give rats both food and moisture so he recommends displaying them inside near a window Quote, you can still decorate, you can still show everybody the cool artwork that the kids did, Schwartz said.

38:41 People can still see them, but the rats can't get to them. That's great until they fall and your house goes on fire. Oh yeah, I guess if only there was a technological solution to lighting a jack-o'-lantern that wasn't fire. Not a good one. One day, for the most part. Not one that's going to smell really nice. Okay, you're completely correct. Yeah. None of them are going to smell really nice. Yeah. Damn. You got me. Pond La Hockey. I'm just saying a joke no one will get. Yes. Yeah. Schwartz said clearing leaf piles and picking ripe produce can also keep rats from finding food and shelter in your yard. Quote, bales of straw you'll find out on people's front patios that they'll use for decoration with that straw that's bedding material for their nest. So they'll take that and they'll even nest inside there. Schwartz also adds that home remedies like rubbing cayenne pepper on the pumpkins have not been proven to deter rats. If the rats are anything like me, they'd be amped.

39:40 Yeah. Oh, man, this is spicy. Yeah. Finally, some flavor. There's a lot of what? Yeah, finally, some flavor in Boise. Yeah. Yeah. The rats are just like, well, it was about to say they're just from New York. Actually, they probably are from New York. Yeah. Quote, there's a lot of lives of wives tales on what can be done. Schwartz said the biggest prevention is actually removing that source from them. At a meeting last month, Ada County and city leaders identified tracking rat sightings as a first step to a solution, saying they need a clearer picture of the problem before deciding how to respond. King appreciates that agencies are coming together. Quote, I don't think there's any remediation or eradication efforts right now on a larger scale. I think right now it's mostly about tracking. Grote, who attended the meeting, said she left discouraged. Quote, it really is a feeling of something that's outside of your control.

40:36 You do everything you can to try to stop it, and it's upsetting. Schwartz says if you are already regularly seeing rats... And struggling to keep them under control, it's time to call a pest professional. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. That's rough. Yeah. There's a couple of neighborhoods in, I think, the far northeast in Philly that are having a major rat problem right now. Really? Yeah. That's nasty. I mean, yeah. Well, so we had a year— I know I've told you this story— A year or a few back where, for whatever reason, our squirrels were just voracious. Yeah. Like they chewed through one of my garbage cans.

41:17 Yeah, yeah. And I put pumpkins out and they, pumpkins out, and they, and they chewed like giant chunks off them. So I went straight to Walmart and bought red temper paint and just squirted it on the chunks that were ripped out. Yeah. And it looked like, it actually was like one of the coolest jack-o'-lanterns I ever did because it looked like it had bloody wounds. Mm-hmm. So what I'm saying is there is always a modern solution for modern problems. Yeah. I mean, the other thing you can do if you want to put your pugment out but you're afraid the rats will get it or the squirrels, just wait until Halloween to do it. Yeah. Yeah. So until then, put it in your window? Just don't carve it until then and just keep it in your garage. Not your garage because they can probably get in there. Keep it in your refrigerator.

42:01 At what point do we sacrifice so much humanity that the rats win regardless? I mean, that's what I want to know. I mean, let's, let's be honest. They're going to win. Maybe we should just. I saw Ratatouille. You're right. Yeah. They're going to take us by the hair. Yeah. And they're cute. Yeah. That's the worst part. Yeah. Fine. You're mean. Sorry. For reminding me. Have you heard about. So we're moving on to this thing. Have you heard about how it looks like it's finally been proven that the famous Bigfoot video or film strip is a hoax?

42:42 Oh, did we finally? Because it was going back and forth for a little while. It was like the Hulk. And then more recently, somebody was like, oh, maybe it's not a hoax. Yeah. So it looks like it's been proven a hoax. Well, proven is a strong word. But this is from Petapixel or Petapixel.com. 60 year old fame, a full old found footage proves famous Bigfoot footage is a hoax on October 20th, 1967. Roger Patterson. Wow. That's like, that was yesterday, a year ago yesterday. Uh, Roger Patterson and Robert, uh, Gil Gimlin captured just under a minute of shaky grainy 16 millimeter film footage of Bigfoot. Allegedly nearly 60 years later, the new documentary capturing Bigfoot finally puts the issue to rest. It was a hoax.

43:27 I've heard that, that the documentary like, has people confessing. Oh, now I know what you're thinking. This is what this says. Not me. Of course it was a hoax to many of us. The clip was an obvious ruse. That seven foot tall, uh, her suit fella, uh, is a person in a suit. Uh, Bigfoot like Nessie, the abominable snowman, the Jersey devil and El Chupacabra does not exist. I'm not going to go so far on the Jersey devil, but, um, however, for many, the myth has persisted. Those 59 seconds of distant shaky footage showing a supposed Sasquatch watching, walking through Northern California's forests, uh, have captivated people for nearly six decades, analyzed and overanalyzed by enthusiasts and respected experts alike, somehow the footage has remained oddly magnetic to believers and skeptics alike.

44:12 I have always thought the Patterson footage looked fake. I mean, I agree with you. I remember years and years ago, this was like maybe 15, 20 years ago, somebody had, back then it was really hard to do, they had digitally stabilized the footage. so that when you watched it, like, the camera didn't shake, the Sasquatch stayed right there, and when you watched it like that, it just looks like a guy. Yeah, yeah. Then I would hear people who watched the same one and go, like, it's so clearly not a hominid, like a normal hominid, and I'd be like, oh my gosh, I give up. Yeah, there was, um, I was watching, and I don't like this show, but I was watching Expedition Bigfoot, which I think is not very good, but they were at where it was filmed, because they were like, we're gonna see, like, We're going to find the big foots here. Big feets.

45:00 Big feets. And so then one of the guys was like, let's actually find where the footage was taken. And with technology, we can figure out how tall this thing was. Maybe it was really small. Maybe they were small big feet. Or maybe they're really big. And so they did it. And they were like, looks like it's 6'2. I was just like, yeah, it's a person. Yeah, it's a guy. Yeah. Yeah. The funny irony is that like, that was the height of every actor. We got to play Bigfoot in my TV series. The series, they were always about six foot two. Cause it was like, that's like the average tallest person you'll know. We'll be around that. Cause once you're six, five, six, six, you're very tall. Um, capturing Bigfoot is as much about why those 59 seconds of 16 millimeter film were so fascinating to people in 1967 and have remained so well into the 21st century in an era where skepticism, uh, In an era where skepticism toward authority, science, and visual media is at an all-time high, the Patterson-Gimlin film feels emblematic of something much bigger than a brief stroll by someone in a fursuit.

46:03 Though it was. I watched a clip from MonsterQuest where they looked at the Patterson footage, and I thought it was fascinating how they were, like, I was told, like, they do, like, a whole digital, like, you know, breakdown of it. So I was like, this is 2007. Mm-hmm. I don't think they actually did. I think it was for TV. Maybe, yeah. The new documentary is also about finally uncovering the truth once and for all. Director Mark Evans unearthed another 16mm reel, a 40-second clip from 1966 showing a rehearsal for the famous hoax. Oh, fuck. Locked away in a safe for over 50 years and never before seen by the public, this newly surfaced footage offers undeniable proof that the original film was an elaborate fraud.

46:48 I've already heard people trying to disprove this. Dude. What? We should watch it tonight. It just went up for rent. Oh, okay. On Amazon. You want to watch a stupid Bigfoot documentary with me? Sure, sure. I'm so excited. By the way, the poster is amazing. It's a guy, it's like a gunfighter pose, but the person's standing there and he's holding an old camera and Bigfoot's shot through his legs. That's pretty good. That's pretty cool. Ultimately, though, this new evidence, as definitive as it might be, will do little to persuade true believers of the original 1960s footage, just as evidence and science do little to convince diehards today that their favorite cryptids, UFOs, or conspiracy theories aren't true.

47:29 What will another roll of 16mm film truly do to change anyone's mind? What? What will another roll of 16mm film? Will someone please think of the children? I will say... That I've heard some people claiming, like, you can't say it's definitive. All they know is that the new film they found was made in 1966. That doesn't mean it was exposed in 1966. But I don't know. I'd have to see everything. And unfortunately, if I had realized it came out last night, I would have been like, let's watch it before the show. But maybe we'll talk about it next month. I'm sure. I'm sure it'll be that fascinating. Yeah. Or we'll just be like, wow, it wasn't real.

48:10 Yeah. I'm sorry, Bigfoot people. I just don't buy that. Footage i mean yeah and i'm not even saying bigfoot isn't real i mean i am but but not just this but this this isn't. Probably real no but the documentary appears to be real. We're not sure unless it's all seen it yeah it could all be ai though like maybe that new video that they found is ai. The plot thickens and we'll thicken with it like a good stew right after this and uh When we get back, we're going to talk about the true dangers of Halloween decor. Yeah. Right after this. Chelle, have you ever had a Halloween decoration make you feel like your life is in danger?

49:03 No. No? No. Never? No. I don't know what that means. No. Oh. Well, according to... One oh one one now dot com. Some people have had that experience very much, especially in Dubuque, Iowa. Oh, the headline reads inflatable pumpkin tumbles into traffic forces drivers to swerve. Oh no. Sorry. When I saw this, I was like, I was like, you know, I've always thought that decorations could be scary, but, uh, that's actually scary. Yeah. Just drive through it. Don't swerve. Yeah, just like that. I don't even know if they'll be able to hear that sound because we have, like, filters.

49:45 Oh, yeah. That's extra funny. A giant inflatable pumpkin got loose and tumbled through downtown Dubuque on Tuesday afternoon, bumping into parked cars and forcing an SUV to swerve out of the way on Main Street. An SUV should have just plowed through it. That's what I'm saying. When I had a... When I had a... rental Jeep, that rental Jeep Gladiator, I was like intentionally driving over the like curb and stuff because you couldn't even feel it. Like I just wanted to see like, I was like, wow, you really can't even tell you're doing this. Yeah. I could have run over an inflatable pumpkin. Yeah. Pumpkin. Or at least knocked it like a beach ball. Oh yeah. Yeah. Bunk, bunk, bunk.

50:26 Yeah. That sounds fun. See, now we're, now we got a game going. This is fun. Yeah. Why aren't we doing this with cars and big pumpkins? Yeah. Like Frogger. Yeah, it's great until you miss and then hit into the other car. That's true of everything, though. Everything is fun until you miss and hit into the other car. Yeah, yeah. I think my grandma used to always say that. I bet she did. She would whisper it while she tucked me into sleep at night. Yeah. Because this must have been the grandma that didn't hate me. Oh, or, yeah. The one that's still alive. Yeah. Oh, that got dark. Okay. Uh, quote, this is not AI generated. This is actually truly happened that I was the car involved in this. Pam McCarron said, I think I was pretty calm, but you don't see that every day.

51:07 I mean, for the record, I like her. She's bright, but like, I can't lie. You do see it every day. Well, yes. Yeah. In my, in my dreams. And when I close my eyes, but I was going to say like, if this happened in like July, I'd be like, what the hell? Yeah. Inflatable jack-o'-lantern but in october i'll be like oh hell yeah here we go again yeah mccarran said she did not expect the inflatable pumpkin to come flying toward her in the wind on her way to a work meeting on tuesday quote is it gonna be is it gonna hit me is it gonna hit my car is it gonna go over my car mccarran said it's big enough that i couldn't see around it to know if there was anything on the other side okay that yeah see now i think she reacted properly When the inflatable was on the other side of the street, I was like, I don't know if there's a car coming. No, that's really fair.

51:57 Yeah, yeah. I'm with her. I stand with her. Police Lieutenant Luke Bach first saw the traffic camera video on Facebook on Thursday morning. Quote, immediately I was like, hey, that looks like one of our traffic cameras, Bach said. Then I was like, boy, that's a big pumpkin. So obviously the police officer's side of me was like, We don't really need those things bouncing down the roadway. Bach said he can laugh at the video because there was no oncoming traffic at the time. Quote, it's entertaining. Like, it's funny to watch it, but you just, I guess, a lot of times you think about what could have happened. What if, Bach said, you know, just put a couple dot, dot, dots to cut some of those butts and what's and that's all. You know, just edit a little bit.

52:43 No, I like it like that. I want to hear exactly what he said. I want to hear the stammering. Yeah. Bach said incidents like this can happen when decorations are not properly grounded. Oh, electrically? I guess so. Oh. I was about to say like, oh yeah, blame the thing. Maybe the winds are just way too much. It's possible. Yeah. Quote, we would just ask that you follow the manufacturer's instructions, said Bach. Okay, well, they're all in Chinese and they say good time fun pumpkin lights up. Yeah. That's all it says. Yeah, I know. So I guess I did a good job. You did a great job. Good time, fun pumpkin. And that's exactly what was supposed to happen. Everything's good now. Good time, fun pumpkin that lights up. Aw, Giggs is being sweet to me. Good kitty.

53:26 Aw, she wants you to tell her that she's beautiful. She is beautiful. Well, you missed your opportunity because she was stretching and she wanted you to tell her how nice that is. Chell, when you hang out with Chell, she micromanages your love of her cats. Like, it's never enough when you love on that cat. And she's a very lovable cat. She's a really good cat, and I just want to make sure she knows. I know, buddy. I know. Secure them down to your yard so that something like this doesn't happen, and we don't see somebody swerve and potentially get in a crash or obstruct our highways or hit somebody that's walking down the roadway. Hmm.

54:06 Jennifer Edwards said large inflatables can be difficult to stake down. I like this counterpoint. Yeah. She's hosting her eighth year of month-long trick-or-treating on Fridays. I love this woman. Yeah. She's hosting her eighth year of month-long trick-or-treating on Fridays and Saturdays from 5 to 9 at her home. That's insane. I didn't even know this was an option. I'm still confused. You don't understand? Month-long trick-or-treating? She's handing out candy every Friday and Saturday. Her house hands out candy. Yeah. You can trick-or-treat every Friday and Saturday at her house. That's nice. I love that. You can do it. I might. That's awesome. Except I'm going to do it in, like, January and July and stuff.

54:48 Yeah. When people aren't expecting it as much. Yeah. Oh, barring bad weather, of course. Mm-hmm. Her decorations do not include inflatables, despite using them in previous years. Are you an inflatables person? No. Me neither. I don't really like them. You know what, though? Every now and then I'll see a really cool one, but I never think I want to put one of those in my yard. I like lights, though. I'm all lights. Yeah, I'm not either of those things. What do you like, then? Webs. But I haven't put any up yet, because you can only put them up really close to Halloween, because if I put them up earlier, the squirrels will take them down. And they really do. So this, like maybe this weekend I'll put them up.

55:32 McCarran said the flying pumpkin should serve as a reminder to make sure decorations are stable. She said she now has one question. What's going to pop up today? Like, you know, what's it going to be like, you know, a Frankenstein or something? McCarran said, you know, or something, you know, um, I, yeah, I, I, I'm not a huge fan of the inflatables, but my biggest problem is that they like, well, they're deflated. It's just sad. It is sad. I just, I don't like that because they like have to be basically plugged in all the time to be on. I mean, to be inflated. Yeah. I just don't like that. It makes me upset. Because of electricity? I don't really know. I don't know.

56:15 Well, let's go to a topic I think you're going to enjoy. Why? Why? Well, first of all, we're going to have to adjust because like if I'm just going to tell you to get up and look at something, I guess. Okay. If there's something to see because I can't like. This is from science.ubc.ca. Hairy-legged, red-eyed sea spiders discovered in the Salish Sea. What? You hairy-legged, red-eyed sea spider. That's the first thing I thought of when I read that. You lily-levered, hairy-legged, red-eyed sea spider. But it looks sick if you want to see it. I can't really show you any other way. But look at that guy. He is something, man. That is something. There's his eyes.

56:55 There. Really? I don't know. I'm not an expert on hairy-legged, red-eyed sea spiders. Sorry. I tried my best. He's really, really cute. He is. Yeah. If you're swimming in the Salish Sea late at night and feel a skittering along your calves, tiny hairy feet tip-tapping their way higher and higher towards your face, don't worry. It's probably just the stuff of nightmares. Hairy-legged, red-eyed sea spiders newly discovered by UBC researchers. This is on a science site. I love that that's the opening. This is like not a news site reporting it. It's a science site. Yeah. Two new sea spider species are the first described in the Salish Sea in almost a century.

57:38 Wow. Their documentation and genetic analysis published recently in Organisms, Diversity, and Evolution helps fill a gap in a poorly understood group of animals. Quote, I was interested in how sea spiders are impacted by climate change and human disturbance because marine invertebrates in the Salish Sea are particularly at risk and I couldn't find anything, said lead author Cormac Toler-Scott. who conducted the work as part of his master's degree in zoology at ubc that's largely because people don't know much about what species exist here and what their lifestyle is that just immediately makes me think like like if they're straight or. Gay yeah no me too like to own a house or. Rent yeah because you could make the argument it's like i just don't like being tied down you know i feel like i have a lot of freedom because like if the plumbing's bad i'll just move yeah and other people like no like i want to have my own place i want to know i can like You know, I have friends over and I want to know that like I decorate it any way I want. It's a very much a lifestyle choice. Yeah. Yeah.

58:35 Yeah, it is. And spiders definitely have to make that choice. Of course. Sea spiders evolved around 500 million years ago. Related to scorpions, spiders. Really? And the horseshoe crabs. Well, sometimes they're not. Yeah, that's fair. Horseshoe crabs though. I've always thought crabs are just spiders. Delicious spiders. But I don't really think horseshoe crabs look like crabs. You don't know what a horseshoe crab looks like? No, they don't really look like crabs. Well, now I'm going to find out. Oh, yeah, they look like mollusks or something.

59:15 Well, I mean, they have a big funny shell on them. They look like a stupider stingray. Okay, yeah, but they're a crab, but they're a horseshoe crab. And they get really big. They do get really big. This is why I don't like the ocean. Now I'm upset. This is why I want to eat everything in the ocean until they're all gone. Horseshoe crabs aren't bad. They look so scary. They're just things. Do you have a pet horseshoe crab you haven't shown me yet? No, but I found dead ones on the beach before. One time I took one that was dead. Where is it now? We threw it out. Oh, fair enough. See, if you had been like, I buried it, I just held a little ceremony, and I dug a six and a half foot deep hole, and I put him in there. No, you just threw him in the garbage.

1:00:02 You should feel bad. I mean, I feel confused. About what? Everything. Oh, okay. That's fair. They are anthropods that never left the ocean, but look like they're arachnid cousins, except for their leg count, which can get as high as 12. Oh, man. I didn't know that. So they can have 12 legs, a bunch of overachievers. That's kind of cool because in Hunter x Hunter, the spiders. The spider spider. Well, no, but like the organization, like the criminal organization, their kind of like logo is a spider, but it has 12 legs. There's one for every person in the organization. But now I can be like, no, it's based on a real spider. Yeah. Oh.

1:00:45 I still think my joke about calling it spider spider was hilarious because they're hunter hunter. It was. I'm sorry. It's okay. Oh, and they have a sucking proboscis, which is also not common in regular spiders. They range in size from less than a centimeter to, oh, Giggs just wants to die. She's like, let me chew on that electric cord. I'm so sorry. I know that he left it on the floor. It's my own fault for existing. The cat really wants to eat that electric cord. I'm really worried about her. She'll get electrocuted. Me too. She tries to get into the outlet all the time. Oh, maybe you just need to let her. No, and I don't stop her. She just can't get in. Oh, okay. Sorry. It's okay. They range in size from less than a centimeter to more than 70 centimeters in Antarctica, hunting in the deeps for smaller things to eat just to make you feel happier about all this. That's what it says, just to make you feel happier about all this. Quote, they've retained some weird traits, said Toler Scott. A lot of the shallow water species are quite small and they live as parasites on larger organisms. And they use this weird apparatus called a proboscis to suck the juices out of their host. Sea spiders breathe through their skin and the males rear the young. Females have ovaries spread throughout their limbs that produce eggs, which then pop out of a dedicated pore. During mating, the male will use limbs placed at the base of its head, called ovagers, to scoop up the eggs, dab them in a glue secreted

1:02:15 from his legs, and stick them to his own body in clusters of egg sacs for rearing. They just made all of that up because they're like, who's going to check it? Yeah, no one's going to know. We just discovered this. The research represents the first comprehensive study of sea spiders in the Salish Sea using both detailed imaging and DNA analysis. Along the way, the team generated... genetic data for several species that had never been sequenced before, and created an identification guide for sea spiders living in the region. The two new species have been registered in a global database, but more wait to be found, says Toler-Scott. Quote, I only had one field season, but there's definitely more diversity out there And that we haven't documented. So, never fear.

1:02:58 More nightmare fuel awaits. This is a funny story. Yeah, it sounds like they just made all that up about how they breed just because they wanted the lulls. I mean, it's pretty cool if it's true. Yeah, but it can't be. Yeah, because guys never help raise children. Hell no. Yeah. We're boys. We do boy things like take naps and cuddle. Yeah. Damn right. We're going to take a break. And when we get back, who knows what's coming next? I don't even know anymore. It's something creepy and science-y, and I'm confused by everything. Yay. Right after this. All right, Chell.

1:03:43 I do want to mention one of the worst parts, for you probably. What? Of me being here physically actually here doing the show with you. What? Is probably that I get to, like, just point things out. Like, how for, I don't know, what, five years of podcasting together on and off, you didn't know how to silence your iPad. How did you not silence it? I thought I did. She turned the volume down, but didn't turn off notifications. I don't understand why it wouldn't be the same thing. Because it's like a phone. Okay, fine. But, like. Well, okay, so no, like I have a master volume on my phone. If I turn that off, I don't get any sounds.

1:04:29 I think that's a defect, not a feature. No, that's just the way it is. I mean, for me, the way you turn notifications off is you put your phone on silent. I mean, if I put my phone on vibrate. Yeah, that's what you did on your iPad was you put it on vibrate, basically. You went to the, I can't remember what it's called now. The thing. The side thing? Yeah, it's a little bell icon. Oh, okay. Got it. But that's, that is literally, yeah, that's your notifications or. Okay. See, with my phone. Yeah, it's silent mode. When I press on the volume rocker. Yeah. It gives me options and it'll show me like what I'm lowering and I can switch over to another thing.

1:05:10 So I didn't get any options. So I thought I just did all of them. No, no. They separated a while back so that you could be on silent mode, but still watch videos and listen to things. Okay. That's my understanding. Okay. I don't know. I don't use my iPad in places that it needs to be quiet, except now, apparently. Except for like the three years we've been doing the show. Yeah, and when I do other work. Well, anyhow. Goodness gracious, what is wrong with you? This story is from livescience.com. Undeciphered Voynich manuscript may have been bound out of order, study finds. Oh, oh. You know all about this, right?

1:05:51 Sure. The mysterious and undeciphered Voynich manuscript has caused consternation among codebreakers, linguists, and scholars of medieval literature for more than a century. But now experts think they've worked out why it's so hard to crack. It was bound incorrectly in the 15th century, meaning the pages are out of order. The new linguistic analysis of the document has moved researchers closer to figuring out what the text was all about. Okay. The Voynich Manuscript is a medieval codex made up of leaves of parchment carbon dated to the early 15th century. Its 240 pages are covered with 38,000 words of a unique script called Voynichese. Clever. Yeah. Along with illustrations of people, plants, and astrological signs.

1:06:44 Oh. Also known as the Beinecke cipher manuscript. I think it's Beinecke or Beinecke cipher manuscript. The document was initially owned by a Holy Roman Emperor and was purchased by Wilford Voynich in 1912. So Voynich didn't even make it. Yeah. I guess if you bought it, I guess it's yours, you know. No. No. Oh, fine. All right. Well, what should we call it then? Because they don't know who made it, I don't think. I guess that, I don't know, like that language, that we don't know what it is. Okay. I like that. That fits on a stamp. Yeah. A business card. Yeah. Since 1969, the manuscript has been in the collection of Yale University's Rare Book Library. Experts have unsuccessfully tried to decipher the manuscript for more than a century. Did they try asking ChatGPT?

1:07:36 First century? First century asking ChatGPT. Quote, we don't know its code. Very good point. Lisa Fagan Davis, study co-author and executive director of the Medieval Academy of America, told Live Science. But there are some odd characteristics of the Voynich manuscript in terms of its physical structure. When doing research on the number of scribes who copied the document, Davis realized from the handwriting that the manuscript pages alternate in ways that don't make sense. In addition, she said, there are several examples where the image goes off the page in the middle and comes out on the other side, even though there are a bunch of pages in between. It sounds like whoever put this together was not paying attention at all.

1:08:16 Yeah, yeah. They were probably too busy thinking about the gibberish, not thinking about, like, does this make sense as a book? Well, I mean, I was thinking, like, what if just somebody was just, like, messing around, like a kid who just got this thing, and they were just like, and so it doesn't actually mean anything? Ooh, okay. Yeah. I like that. I like that solution. Thanks. In a study published on Monday, October 19, in the journal Digital Medievalist, Davis and co-author Colin Layfield, an informational systems researcher at the University of Malta, suggested that the inconsistent structure of the enigmatic manuscript is the result of someone misbinding a manuscript they were unable to read.

1:08:57 Yeah, that was maybe. kids. You know what's funny is, like, the illustrations they're showing look like they were made by kids. Like, it actually does look like a kid drew it. I mean, is that really? Because it just looks like an interpretation of. What it looks like. That's what I'm just saying. It's funny. To me, it looks like kids' drawings. Medieval manuscripts were made up of rectangular sheets of parchment or animal skin, typically folded in half to produce what experts call a bifolium. After five bifolia would typically be nested, around five bifolia would typically be nested together, creating what experts call a quire. Okay. Then a stack of quires would be bound together along the spine to create a book. However, Davis and Layfield suggested that the Voynich manuscript was intended to be a stack of singulions or singulions, a series of loose by a full and never meant to be bound together as a wire or a book. I mean, I would just use a Kindle paper white. Yeah, that's a lot easier.

1:10:00 I would not. But so I kind of understand what it sounds like happened. So you have all of these pages. And then they were, somebody was like, oh, I just have to fold it in the middle and I can make a book out of it. And so now they're all messed up. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. Big. They really beefed that. Yeah. Yeah. We should find them and let them know. This is not the first time a researcher suggested the Voynich manuscript has pages out of order. But Davis and Layfield analyzed the graphic properties of the untranslated document to see if their hypothesis made sense. Um, by looking at the Voynich manuscript as a collection of singulons, Davis and Layfield solved some of the nagging issues with the document. Quote, when you start to think about it in context of the other strange features of the manuscript, all of those problems are solved. It solves the problem of each scribe writing one sheet. It solves the problem of the images crossing the gutter. This means that any previous work on the Voynich manuscript that assumes it was ordered correctly now needs to be reconsidered.

1:11:00 Yeah. But it also means there is new progress on the book. Because nobody knows what it's about. Davis is optimistic that someone will crack the Voynich mystery in part because a similar modern puzzle known as Cain's Jawbone has been successfully deciphered by a handful of people. I did hear a little bit about that, that it was like something people have been trying to decipher for forever. This devilishly difficult linguistics puzzle from the 1930s consists of 100 pages of a murder mystery arranged in the wrong order. Oh, okay. Due to the antique nature of the text and its vague stylized language, even AI has failed to solve it. Oh, wow. Uh-oh. But that just means once it does, we're in real trouble. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

1:11:40 Tomorrow. Yeah. We have some, quote, we have some ideas for other work we want to do, Davis said. For example, there's a large water stain in the upper margin of some of the pages of the Voynich manuscript. The stain should be symmetrical from one page to the next, but it's not. That also supports the idea that the manuscript is indeed bound out of order. Davis and Layfield are thinking about ways to compare the stain shapes across pages, as that may help them reorder the incorrectly organized pages. Yeah. So I wonder, I mean, like, really, what would it be? I mean, like, I'm guessing it's just an exercise, but it's 80,000 words. So it can't just be like, you know, I went, I had lunch, lol.

1:12:22 The end but what if it what if it is just like a journal about somebody's just doing. That would still be interesting yeah yeah i mean i don't know why you always hate on journaling. Because i recently heard that it might not be good to journal because people will find your journal. Did you hear that in your journal no is that your paranoid scribblings in your own. Journal no it was some paranoid person on the radio oh which is. The number one place people listen. To the radio yeah yeah. So Well, to go to a slightly, to a solved, for sure solved mystery. This is from Fox 2 Detroit. Police drone video shows woman allegedly stealing 12-foot Halloween skeleton from Home Depot. Dearborn Heights, Michigan. A bizarre caper captured by a police drone in one downriver community and the Halloween-themed items the suspect allegedly stole make the case even stranger.

1:13:21 Uh. A drone video from police reveal a woman with what is reportedly a nearly $ 600 worth of huge 12-foot Halloween skeleton that was allegedly swiped from a Home Depot. Wow. I debated buying a giant skeleton. But you didn't? I'm worried about it falling over and how hard it would be to assemble it. I don't think it would be too bad to assemble. And I think with the falling over thing, you just have to really think about how you're securing it. maybe get some industrial like cables and attach them to your house. That sounds like a great thing to do. I thought you just wanted to keep it up all the time.

1:14:02 That's actually pretty fair, actually. Yeah. I probably would keep it up all the time. I have neighbors who do that and they decorate it for different holidays. Yeah, I do. I do as well. Not right here, but I do. And yeah, so I would, I would want to make it a permanent installation then. So you really do want to attach it with good material. Okay. No, that sounds fair. Yeah. That's a fair statement. You're just going to attach it right to your gutters. I need new gutters. In the video, you can see the drone locked in on the situation pretty quickly. At one point, you see the woman dumping the goods into an alley nearby, perhaps to come back for them later. That's a classic move. Not only did Dearborn Heights police have this eye in the sky, they were also based right next door. That's even funnier because you'd think like surveillance state, they were probably testing the drone. They were just like flying in their backyard.

1:14:52 Oh, is somebody stealing that? Is that a theft? Oh, I guess we caught them. Good job, everybody. Sorry, just kicking over the, they were next door. So officers did not have to go far to apprehend her. It's yet another alleged caper foiled by a police drone. But how do people feel about police using drones in general? Quote, taking stuff and getting caught, that's their problem. They shouldn't have done it, said one resident. I think. You're saying the store should have done it? Yeah. No, I think they just mean that they weren't answering the question. Like they were answering, is it okay? I don't know. Okay, good. Because I didn't know either. Taking stuff and getting caught, that's their problem. They shouldn't have done it. Oh, he's talking about the criminal. Okay, good. Said one resident.

1:15:43 This guy, you'll appreciate this. One guy said, I seen it before and they captured some guys hurting critters at the rogue down there. So I like it. Yeah. So apparently they busted some people harming animals. Yeah. And I like that guy. We're going to be friends. I like him too. Quote, they shouldn't have done anything stupid. I'm really for that, said another. I'm for the drones unless they're behind me, then I'm not for it. But other than that, I think we got something right over there. Okay. That's, yeah, that's my friend in that right there. Yeah. What do you think? You want drones to be droning all the time? No. No? No, I don't want police drones. No. Oh. So you think police should be, it should be illegal for them to have drones since everybody else can get drones, including you have a drone?

1:16:25 No, they can have drones, but I don't want them to use them. So they have to keep them in the box? I like that. And like every once in a while they can like go and look at them and stuff. And that's it. Like most people have drones. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I could see that. I mean, I don't love it, but they're gonna, they are. I mean, what are you going to do? Not, I mean, like if, if anybody can have a drone, they're going to have a drone. Yeah. I mean, at least it's not currently an armed thing. So that's nice. I think that would be really, that would push it a lot. If it was armed. I don't think that that would happen. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, uh, I, what I mean is, Uh, if it did, it would have to be like a specialized tool that was like the SWAT team or something. Not, not like, I'm guessing that this is really just the police department going like, Hey, it only costs us a few hundred dollars to buy, you know, maybe a thousand dollars to buy a drone and see if we can, you know, use it. Yeah, no.

1:17:23 But what I'm saying is it's, it's, it's a tool and it's not a tool that is physically assaulting people. So I guess that's fine. Until you ram it into them. But that's every tool. Yeah. Literally every tool. Every tool. It's a weapon if you hit hard enough with it. Yeah, exactly. But drones really hurt when you touch them when they're flying. That's true. I remember your bloody, bloody hand. Yeah. It was very bloody. It was. But speaking of bloody, this isn't really, that's not really a segue for this. We have a very adorable story about a bear. Oh. I like bears. I don't know about you. No. No? No, I don't like bears. Why not? Because they're really scary.

1:18:04 Really? Yeah. All of them? Every single one. Even the big white ones? Oh, God. Well, I'm sorry, then. You're going to be in sheer terror on our next piece, which we'll get to right after this. So, Chell. Yes? We're going to head to a celebration. Oh. Oh. Because Winnie the Pooh's 100th birthday was this month. Oh. I think I might have known that. Yeah? Yeah.

1:18:44 Oh, bother. Yeah, that thing. Do you like Winnie the Pooh? I do. I see. Good. I love Winnie the Pooh. I always have, even though it's weird that he doesn't wear pants. Yeah, but a lot of animals don't wear pants. Yeah, but he wears a shirt. It's weirder that he wears a shirt. No, that's what I mean. Yeah. To me, having an absence of pants is due to the presence of any other clothes. Yeah. Yeah. When you're a bear. But I've always wondered, you know, People in our generation, like Winnie the Pooh, you know, and I'm sure some people at least a few years younger than us do. But I've always wondered, what about other demographics that you don't really consider? Like ducks. Close. This helps with this a lot because the headline, this is from UPI.com, reads, Bear visits library, steals honey on the Winnie the Pooh birthday celebration. Aww. Or maybe it was just on his birthday. I misread that. I apologize.

1:19:36 I'm bad at this. It's okay. Yeah. Mono County Free Libraries posted a video to social media showing the bear that wandered into Mammoth Lake's branch at about 6 a.m. Wednesday, which was the 100th anniversary of the first appearance of A.A. Milne's famous bear, Winnie the Pooh. Wow. Quote, upon entering, the bear went straight for the staff snack supply where it helped itself to peanut butter, a selection of peach cups, a pawful of cookies. It says pawful. Pawful of cookies and, of course, one jar of honey, the post said. The bear perused the library shelves for a short time before leaving on its own. Remarkably, no damage was reported. Wow. No shelves were toppled and no books were harmed, though the honey jar has not been returned at the time of publication, official wrote. I just thought that was really cute.

1:20:25 All right, let's get into a sad one now. Okay, good. Actually, no, this one's cute too, so let's go with the Pennsylvania one because it's not as cute. Okay, good. This one is out around Philly. From Philly voice.com. Yay. A retired Penn professor has been blocking Uber eats robots for months. Oh, I know about this. This week she got arrested. I know about this. Yeah. I look, I, this is going to sound mean, but when I read, uh, that was happening, I was like, I was like, no, no. I was like, who is it? And then it said seven, a woman, 78. And I was like, yeah, okay. I, if it had been a male professor, I'd be like, what's wrong with you? Get a life. But I feel like, uh, A lady professor is going to be like, I'm changing the world. And then she just stands in front of a thing.

1:21:09 I guess. I don't like academics very much. Okay. I mean, the thing is that this is Philly. So I just assume that there's robots. Someone's going to fuck with them. Well, that's different. Is she, was she not doing this to prove a point? Probably, but. Okay. Cause if she's just doing it because she's a miscreant, that's a whole other fascinating story. Yeah. Yeah. On Wednesday afternoon, Carolyn Marvin was leaving her flu shot appointment when she spotted an Uber Eats robot rolling down the Center City sidewalk. She did what she has done for months whenever she's had the time, stand in front of it. They need to install tasers on these things. I'm shocked they haven't already. Yeah, I think it's... Citizen, please move. I must deliver this burrito bowl.

1:21:55 Thanks. I like that, yeah. And it's slow, which is good. It's not trying to surprise you. It's just saying, look, I'm going to tase you, bro. And then, don't tase me, bro. God, that's like 25 years old reference now. It just sticks out, it touches you, and then it goes initiating, and then it zaps you. It's like you have every chance to get away. Yeah. Marvin, 78, said she's not sure how many times she's blocked the paths of these robots which hit the streets of Philadelphia in March. The University of Pennsylvania professor, Emeritus, has uh made a practice of it to protest quote corporations that displace human delivery workers in order to enrich their own bottom line i bet she also complains about those delivery drivers being underpaid her past encounters have circulated online the wednesday incident was the first time however that the police got involved yeah finally i was hoping because it was like this sounds like they're celebrating her which i'm sure they are yeah um Officers approached Marvin after she'd been there, quote, quite a long time, she said.

1:22:56 They asked her to step aside and let the robot complete its delivery. When she repeatedly refused, they arrested her for disorderly conduct. Wow. That's the world I live in, is where you get arrested for disorderly conduct when you don't take two steps because somebody asked you to five times or whatever. Yeah. Police confirmed they had responded to a report of, quote, criminal mischief involving a robot. I would be like, I'll take that one, too, if I was a cop. On the 1200 block of Filbert Street around 1.16 p.m. on Wednesday. A woman on the scene ignored, quote, multiple commands to move, they said, resulting in a criminal violation notice for disorderly conduct. Uber declined to comment. Of course they did. too busy counting money and stepping on baby seals or.

1:23:42 Something right yeah wait though like have you seen those robots yeah they're cute they're like the cutest things ever and i saw one and then i was like i guess i have to let it go. Because it's just so cute yeah that and you had no reason to harm. It and yeah and also like because it's delivering someone's food yeah But I've never seen one in person. I've just seen them on the internet. We should have just walked around Philly all day looking for one. I know. Where we were, like, just not a good robot area. So we would have to. Chinatown? I guess not. Weird. I didn't see any robots. I mean, I didn't see any unusual robots. I saw the usual. Okay. Yeah. Marvin, who plans to contest the charge on the grounds of her First Amendment right to protest, has been undeterred by the arrest.

1:24:26 I'm pretty sure it's not... I'm pretty sure that's not... I mean. No, it is protest, but not all acts of protest are legal. I mean, you can protest UPS by burning a truck, but that is a crime, as opposed to protesting UPS by standing out front on public property and yelling and having a sign. They're not all the same type of deal. I just hate this stuff because there are real injustices in the world, and this lady is going to get a pat on the back for standing. She's 78. Yeah, she should just, like, go enjoy her grandkids. Well, maybe she doesn't have any. Then that's her own fault, too.

1:25:07 I don't think that's her fault at all, actually. I think it's her body, her choice, and I don't know why you're taking the opposite side on that. Oh. I'm so sorry. I'm the worst human being on Earth. But no, I just don't like it because First Amendment right to protest... you don't have a right to obstruct other people's lives. Yeah. And I don't, yeah. Yeah. And business is other people's lives. And the other people who are trying to get their foods lives too. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't, to me, that sounds like BS. I hope she, I hope she becomes a felon. That would make me happy. Okay. Not really.

1:25:47 She won't become a felon cause I'm just not going to happen. Oh, but I'll still ask for it for Christmas. Um, yeah. Um, Let's see. She said she's been undeterred by the arrest. She plans to continue blocking Uber Eats robots and chatting with curious passersby who ask what she's doing. I don't think they ask. I think they just see it and then she just starts talking to them and they're like, dear God. Maybe. I'm going to go over here. Why is this lady talking to me? I think if I saw her standing in front of a robot, I don't think I can pick one up, but I want to be like, I'll just take it over here for you since it's in your way. I would just be like, hey, you think maybe a working person is waiting for some food right now?

1:26:28 Yeah. Yeah. Is it their fault that this is the way they can afford to get their food delivered? Yeah. And then she'd probably be like, yes, because she's completely detached from the earth. She has no idea what's going on on the planet at all. She's in her own little bubble. Hey, I'm in my own little bubble too, but at least it's Halloween themed. It's way cooler. I mean, she probably doesn't think it's cooler, but yeah. Yeah, because she's in her own little bubble. It's stupid. I would put googly eyes and vampire fangs on the, on the robot and then leave it be. And they would not be like, they would be removable. So it's not, I'm not destroying it or defacing it. I'm just making it fun. Oh, I want to do things, but I don't want to say them on the air to the robot. Oh no, I just, no, I just, what are you talking about?

1:27:13 Clarify before this gets worse. Oh, I was just going to say, I would like spray painted and stuff and make it really pretty, but I didn't want to, Say that because I don't want to implicate yourself. Yeah, exactly. But I'm not going to actually do that because it would be hard because they're moving. And so I'd have to be like, wait, and I'd be like trying to spray paint on them while they're moving. And it would be weird. Marvin characterizes public opinion as, quote, divided. Some people are very supportive, she said, while others view her protest as unfair to the customers who paid for the delivery. Mm hmm. Marvin usually tells them if they're concerned about money, the robot's impact on delivery workers should worry them, too. Yeah, that's how that works. Like, I don't have enough money to whatever, so I should worry about what they're paying other people. Come on. This woman, I'm sorry, I hate this stuff. You're an academic. You make way too much money for doing basically nothing. That's my opinion. Not of all academics, but many. I think that there's too much of that in academia.

1:28:12 I mean, maybe. But I will say though, that like as a former delivery person who actually really liked being a delivery person. I remember how much you liked it. Yeah. I'm, I don't want normal people, delivery people to go away either. Yeah. I mean, that's, but that's just creative destruction. I mean, things are going to go away. Things are going to stay. Things are going to go away. And the fact is, if you want, if you don't want automation, the only solution that will actually work. is to, is to somehow make human labor cheaper because that's all that happens is the more human labor gets expensive. And I'm not saying that that means they should pay them less. I'm saying that if it, if it doesn't make sense to pay them less, then it will not be a job for people.

1:28:54 It will have to become automated. That's really my, my problem is like, you're not, changing anything you're just making somebody's day worse yeah um yeah but uh she oh yeah she said uh she's careful never to block the sidewalk to human pedestrians she added so she's a racist too um speciesist nah i'm gonna say racist because that would upset her more as a person uh before marvin retired she taught a course on freedom of expression at penn of course she did because that's what you need that's what you should be paying your 85 000 a year tuition for i think that's fine Yeah, but taught by her? That's my problem. She sounds like an idiot. I'm sorry. I don't like people like this. I know you don't.

1:29:34 She doesn't see her actions as an extension of her academic work, however, as much as civic engagement. I do see it as an extension of her academic work. Yeah. I'm just going to go all in on being mean to academics in this segment. Yeah. Quote, I would say it's my citizenship, she said. I'm exercising the rights of my citizenship, so I think of it in those terms. That's exactly how people who were pro-slavery felt when they would help capture slaves by ratting them out. Yeah. Because it was legal. Yeah. Okay. That was too far. I don't care. But I don't care. Yeah, that was too far. But leave the robots alone. This is why they kill us. Also, they have heart eyes. I forgot about that. They're really cute. Yeah, they're insanely cute.

1:30:16 I would like one, but not for it to come in my house. They don't have to come into your house. They come to your door. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't like that lady. That's the moral of that story. I know. We're going to take a break and do a story. A story back at my home in Dayton, Ohio. And then Chell's going to have to start reading from The Very Scary Almanac. You're not going to want to miss that. Yeah. Right after this. Okay, Chell. This one I think you're going to really like. Yeah. Because it allows me to be mean to academics more.

1:30:58 Oh, man. No, no, no. From Dayton, Ohio. This is from WHIO. Viral goat accused of damaging parked cars found his forever home. See, I wanted to have a nice one, a positive one. A local goat who went viral around Dayton and caused damage has found his forever home. Cardio. They named him Cardio. was listed for adoption on the Humane Society of Greater Dayton Social Media on Thursday, and in less than 24 hours, he's been adopted. Yay! By someone who's never raised a goat before. Oh, no, by a restaurant that serves goats. Oh, okay. I mean, they know how to deal with goats, I assume.

1:31:38 Do you think? No. Maybe they don't. No, but do they? That's the real question. I mean, do you think they know how to deal with a goat? I mean, it depends, I guess. Depends on what? Um, I don't know. Well, this leads into another goat ish related story. And this is another one in Dayton. Um, residents warned to keep away from loose Ram in Ohio city. Oh, officials in an Ohio city. It's near it's Trotwood, Ohio, which is right by where I live. Okay. Um, are asking local residents and visitors to steer clear of a potentially dangerous ram spotted wandering loose. So Trotwood is like where the city turns to rural, so there's a lot of city-ish parts, and then there is a ton of rural as well. The city of Trotwood said in a news release that officials are aware of an at-large ram that has been spotted moving through several areas of the community over recent days. The city warned anyone who spots the sheep to keep a safe distance and not attempt to capture, corner, feed, pet, or handle the animal. You're glad you're over here then, huh?

1:32:54 Because you're like, I want to pet and or handle the animal. Yeah, yeah. Would you pet a ram? If it was nice. What's your definition of a nice ram, though? Not hurting me currently. Currently? Currently. So if it would hurt you or will hurt you, that's still okay? Yeah. I'm going to take that risk and pet it because it's very soft. Yeah, they would be very soft. I mean, that's where wool comes from. Yeah. Do you like wool? Yeah. Why wouldn't I like wool? I don't know. Some people don't. They're like, it's too itchy. It is kind of itchy, but I just like it in theory. Oh, okay. And also it's good for like moisture, like wicks away moisture so you can get socks made out of it and stuff.

1:33:35 That's true. Yeah. I like moisture wicking technology. Me too. I don't know how to do that. Me neither. Yeah. That's when I bought my first like favorite pair of pajama pants. It's a moisture wicking. And I was like, hell yeah. I don't even know what that means, but I'm going to take my money. Yeah. Uh, let's see. The city warned anyone who spots. Oh yeah. I read that part. Quote, although the animal may appear calm or non-threatening, rams are powerful livestock animals that can become unpredictable and particularly when frightened, startled, cornered, or approached. Well, you have to approach slowly and calmly and put your hand out so it can smell you. And be like, hey, pretty buddy. Hey, pretty buddy. Officials do not know where the ram came from and are appealing to the public to help identify its owner.

1:34:21 Wow. Oh, rams and other livestock animals are not allowed to be kept in the city of Trotwood unless they are located in a designated agricultural zone. That makes sense. I mean, I think that that ram is probably based. Just ramming into stuff. Yeah. I mean. It's in his name. What do you expect? Yeah. I would think, though, that, like, with the ram wandering around, you'd think that, like, the owner would come forward. Because it's obviously, like, someone on, like, a farm or on a lot of land. Yeah, for sure. So I would think that someone would be like, oh, that's my ram that's destroying the town. That's my ram. Yeah. Sing it. Cause you have to.

1:35:04 Yeah. Don't be mean to me. I'm trying, trying really hard. Um, no. So speaking of, I have a bunch of these like weird Dayton area stories that I wasn't expecting to find so many. Um, I mentioned this to you and I realized that this is an important story because it really helps, uh, it helps express to you all that are not from Ohio, how we come together as a people, as a community to support each other when like unexpected things happen tragedies and and and stuff like that okay so this is from whio as well which is one of the main news sources in dayton holy doe online ordering mistake leaves local duncan donuts with thousands of donuts riverside ohio right by me a local business had to call in extra help this afternoon after they were unexpectedly stuck with thousands of donuts wow An online order at the Dunkin' Donuts in Riverside was meant to be for 60 chocolate frosted donuts with sprinkles.

1:36:05 I don't like those. That's it? That's all they gave me? Oh, because they're trying to get us to watch a video. Oh. I'm sorry. I thought I had the right piece. So what I was trying to say is. So the community is now all coming in and they're doing like freebies and buy one, get ones and stuff. And they've made it into a whole fun thing. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. So people are all coming there to support the local Duncan who's kind of stuck with all these extra donuts. Yeah. And I just thought that was cute. I was trying to make a, like, make it seem, I was trying to make a joke about like, we all come together when things are tough and then it was going to be like, everybody's eating donuts. But then the article decided to only be pushing you toward the video instead of being an article.

1:36:48 Yeah. I mean, that's still nice. Is it? Nice. Yeah. Okay. I don't, I feel bad. I should have prepared better for that one. That's okay. I was trying to have fun. I know. And it didn't work. But, but are you going to be ready with the very scary almanac is the real question. Cause like, that's what we got to do next. I guess. Well, did you see anything in there that's worth looking into? I mean, I guess. Okay. You're still saying, I guess. I guess. You guess? I guess. Okay. Do you want to jump into it? You literally want me to read this with words in it? Well, I want you to pick some that you think are interesting for the Halloween season. Nothing beats putting Michelle on the spot.

1:37:30 Like, that's not nice. That's kind of great. So we have this thing. It's called The Very Scary Almanac. It was published in 1993. It's like a kid's book, and I think I might have actually checked that out of the library when I was a kid. But I thought this would be really fun to look at because it's got, it's an almanac of scary things. So Michelle can share factoids. And since it's from 1993, they could be outdated or just wholly made up. I thought that might be kind of fun. Kind of funny. Yeah. So have you found anything interesting or do you think it's just, or did I like whiff this episode entirely? Everything's bad. Okay, cool. I whiffed this episode entirely.

1:38:10 Damn. I could tell you about the most haunted house in England. Ooh, okay. So, Chell, tell us all about the most haunted house in England. Okay, but you guys understand that I did really bad at reading in school, and I was in remedial classes, and I never really got good at this. You never told me you were in remedial reading. Yeah, I did. Okay. Maybe you did. I wasn't even in remedial. I don't think we had remedial reading. I think it was just reading. Yeah, I know. Because every other person I know in the world was like a gifted kid. And I was like, I didn't, I couldn't read until I was in sixth grade. You know why I know you weren't a gifted kid? Because you didn't peak when you were a kid. Oh, yeah. That's so mean. I'm sorry to all the gifted kids out there.

1:38:53 Sorry, guys. I honestly think they get kind of pigeonholed. You know, like people say, you're gifted, you're gifted, you're gifted. And then you get like, you're kind of damned by these expectations that you weren't even ready for yet. I mean, I have no fucking idea because I was not a gifted kid. Angry. Chell is angry. I'm sorry. I like, it's always like, You know when you're a gifted kid? No, I don't know when you're a gifted kid. I was never a gifted kid. If it makes you feel any better, I think I understand our friendship better now because all of my friends in school were gifted kids and I wasn't. Oh. So they would all go to be in the other classes. I was not in those. Yeah. So I'd be like, my friends are all gone because they're all in the gifted class. I'd be like, well, you're dumb. And they'd be like, oh, right. Yeah.

1:39:35 Yeah, but you weren't dumb enough that you chose a book and you had someone say, I don't think you should try to read that book. No, I was actually a pretty strong reader. I know. Well, except for the ADHD that made it impossible to finish anything. But, you know, untreated. What? I had a really hard time with reading when I was a kid. No, I believe you. I would always be like, whatever people are like, you should read this book. I'd be like, I can't sit still that long. And nobody once thought to say, like, maybe you have a learning disability. That's the kind of school I went to. I was like, I have trouble sitting still. They're like, well, sit still. That was their instruction. Yeah, yeah. That'll do it. Yeah. So what you're saying is this is going to be the best because you're going to struggle. Okay, apparently.

1:40:21 Also, yeah, and also I am notoriously bad at reading things aloud and always have been. Probably because I don't trust that I can read them. Oh, okay. So let's find out about. The brown dog jumped through the fence. I'm sorry. The most haunted house in England. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I thought it would be fun to swap spots on this one since I have a book. And you like things on paper. I do like things on paper. That was actually why I thought of it. Okay. When I realized it was— because I was actually going to try and find a different, like, like old Halloween book or something. And it was all going to be PDFs and scan stuff. And actually when I realized this was on paper, I was like, I'll have Chell read it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Fine. Okay. The most haunted, the most haunted house in England.

1:41:03 That is what Harry Price, an English ghost hunter called the Borley Rectory. A big house. There were 23 rooms built by the Reverend Henry D. E. Poole, on top of a hill in Essex in 1863. Right after it was built, it became the object of stories involving ghosts and poltergeist activity. When the last member of the Bull family died in 1927, no one wanted to live there because of the stories of hauntings, I guess. Hmm. Finally, a news, there should have been a comma there. Finally, a newspaper sent a reporter to investigate and the reporter came back claiming he had heard footsteps in empty rooms and seen a flying or seen flying candelabras, multiple ones apparently. Okay.

1:41:59 Well, I mean, they're usually candelabras travel in twos, I think. Oh, I just usually see one when they're flying. I don't know. Really? Yeah. It might be like on American Airlines or like Delta or where do they fly? I don't know. They used to fly United. Oh, rest in peace. Yeah. That was good. So go. Well, then Harry Price became involved. He visited the rectory in 1929 and spent the next 20 years investigating and writing about the place. He spent a year living there himself and working with many other investigators. Among the other things he saw in the rectory were the ghost of a nun flying candlesticks again. And hold on. Ghost writing.

1:42:53 Thank you. Yeah. That that appeared on the walls. Seen outside the rectory were the ghost of a woman on the front lawn, a headless man in the garden. Just standard stuff. Yeah. And a coach pulled by two horses driven by a headless coachman. Ooh. Because these activities continued for decades, it is hard to believe that someone was playing a trick on the investigators. I would. I'd do it. I know you would. Yeah. And because so many people saw these things, it's hard to claim that an individual was lying or mistaken. Altogether, Harry Price documented nearly 2,000 unexplainable occurrences.

1:43:38 2,000? That's what it said. That's a lot. I mean, maybe it was like, I got scared because I thought someone was behind me and they weren't behind me. I mean, that could be. Yeah. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. I also feel bad though that I'm making you read and you're like, oh God, I feel like I'm in school again. And then it's actually like, that's the reading, uh, like a spectrum for that too, or whatever they call it, like a reading level. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, it's bad. Extra simplified. Well, we're going to take a quick break and we come back. Chell's going to have even more fascinating, uh, information that you can only find on the very scary almanac right after this. All right, Chell.

1:44:24 Okay. Hit me with your next shot on the very scary almanac. All right. We're going to talk about poltergeists, apparitions, and haunts. That was technically from this section, but I just was not going in order. You're doing... No, that's... Because I don't want to. No, it's not that you're not going in order. You're curating. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're curating. See? Okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So it starts with a thing that says from ghoulies and ghosties and long leggety beasties and things that go bump in the night. Good Lord, deliver us. And it's an anonymous Scottish prayer circa 1800. I like the leggety. It said leggety in there. Leggety. Leggety.

1:45:06 I like that part the best. Leggety is good. Anyway, so I guess this is the introduction or whatever. Okay. A door opens and closes and no one's there. A stone suddenly, impossibly, flies past your head. A beautiful woman smiles at you, turns, and then walks through a solid wall. Oh, that part's not good. I've had that happen before. It hurt a lot. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've done... She. Walks through a solid wall. Ow! Yeah, it's not good. No? No. Could you have encountered a ghost? Maybe. But what exactly is a ghost? The restless spirit of a dead person, or a psychic impression of an event that happened long ago. Experts on ghosts, parapsychologists, occult researchers, mediums, and even, sorry, ghostbusters.

1:46:00 God, that scared me. Sorry. Jump scare alert. Don't agree on exactly what a ghost is, but they do agree that there are three different types of ghostly phenomena. Poltergeists, apparitions, and haunts. Hmm. Okay. So the first one is poltergeists. Yeah, yeah. The word poltergeist. I know this one. Can I guess it? Uh-huh. It means noisy spirit. Basically, yeah. What is a noisy? No, no. It just says, it comes from the German words polter, a noise, and geist, a spirit. Oh, okay. Yay, I knew that one. Yeah. I'm proud of me. They can be noisy. Poltergeists are noisy, invisible spirits, and they can be quite destructive. Okay. They throw small objects, move heavy furniture, and break things.

1:46:50 That's a weird way to put it. They move small objects, heavy furniture. So what you mean is they just move anything? Yeah, yeah. No, they don't move any medium objects. Because that would be too on the nose because of a psychic medium. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I was also thinking like they can throw them because they're small, but they can only move them a little bit. Oh, okay. No, that makes more sense. I was being a little bit too catty, I think. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was me. Some poltergeists even communicate with the people living in the house they're affecting, usually by answering questions with knocks or raps. Yeah. Yeah. I wish. Maybe someday.

1:47:31 I thought you were going to freestyle. I don't know how to freestyle. No, I don't know how. To do it. Okay, fine. Sorry. You know, I whiffed that this year. I said that that was my New Year's resolution was to learn to beatbox really well, and I did not put my effort into it. I'm sorry. Maybe next year. Yeah. Hmm. In the early 1930s, researchers from Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, a major center for investigations into the paranormal from the 1930s to the mid-1960s, apparently. Oh, yeah. The Duke lab was one of the big ones. Really? There was that one in the Lockheed Martin lab.

1:48:11 I don't know. They were like the big ones back in those days. Noted that poltergeist activity usually happened only in households... which one member was a boy or a girl between the ages of 12 and 19. Yeah, that's the theory that it's telekinesis. Yeah. Which I love that because that's like saying like, are you sure it's a Bigfoot and not like a unicorn with a jacket on? Yeah, I like the telekinesis thing. I think that's real. Do you want to have telekinesis? Yes. What would you use it for though? Just getting things. Yeah. Like just like, or like string cheese. Yeah. Or like maybe my internet is acting weird. So I want to unplug it and plug it back in, but I don't want to get up that.

1:48:52 I mean, you know, you could actually get a thing that would let you do that without getting up, but it wouldn't be you, I guess. What do you mean? Like a, like a remote switch. Oh, that's true. No, no. I want to do it with telekinesis. No, I'm going to have to say no. Yeah. Pass on that. No, no. I wouldn't hate being able to scooch the remote closer. Yeah, that'd be nice. Or respond to a text message when Giggs is on my arms. You could do that with Siri right now or whatever voice assistant. I don't have a voice assistant. I stopped it. So it can't get me anymore. Well, that's on you, I guess. I mean, it's okay.

1:49:34 I don't really like the voice assistants very much. They're scary. I ask Alexa, like, every day what the weather is. That's pretty much it. I just look at the weather. Oh, but sometimes I'm, like, doing something. I stop. I just want to hear it. Yeah. I stop. So, okay, so let's dive into this telekinesis thing. Okay, so anyway, though he or she, though they may be hidden in plain sight, when an object is suddenly hurled from the other side of the room, the young person called the poltergeist agent, does not physically, does not physically cause the disturbance. Yeah. However, the youngster, however, this youngster may be experiencing a lot of emotional stress that he or they can't let out.

1:50:30 Having problems that they feel unable to discuss with anyone. This leads to frustration and rage that researchers speculate comes out as psychokinesis PK, which is the ability to move objects with the mind alone. Some investigators, some investigators, however, believe that poltergeists are, that's a weird emphasis, actually unhappy and angry spirits of the dead or even demons. Ooh. But, I get why they said the R because they're saying like, you know, but they really are the thing you think they are, you know? Yeah. So I don't know why you're being mean to them, but that's fine.

1:51:12 I just didn't feel it when I was reading it. Ouch. You're actually doing a really good job, by the way. That's nice of you to say. I feel like I slip up more than you do when I'm reading out loud. They're big words. I mean, they're like, they're not very many words on a page and they're large. The text is very large. Yeah. Times are tough all over. Yeah. But also they acknowledge the importance of the poltergeist agent. These researchers believe that the spirits are somehow tapping into the young person's energy in order to cause disturbances. We're really going out there. Yeah, we're leaving the reservation.

1:51:55 Yeah. But we're learning and that's what's important. You know, reading is fundamental. Yeah. Like fun and de-mental, I guess. De-mental? De-mental. Yeah. De-mental! Like that oldie station you listen to. Jeez! What? Okay, whatever. A few recent cases. A few recent case histories. They're not recent anymore. No, not at all. 1960. Sauchie, Scotland? I don't know. That sounds right. I don't know. A poltergeist had been moving furniture around the home of an 11-year-old girl of the, yeah, no, Virginia Campbell.

1:52:39 Hmm. Huh. Usually, poltergeist activity stays in one place, but in this case, it followed Virginia to school. Like Mary and her little lamb. Yeah, except destruction. Her teacher reported that Virginia's desk rose in the air with no one touching it. And the teacher's own desk turned almost completely around while she was sitting at it. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, that sounds like something. I mean. I mean, it is in school, though, so you just never really know. Swamp gas. Yeah. Yeah. 1967, Miami, Florida. Florida it is. Florida. Florida. The witnesses in this case included police officers and newspaper reporters.

1:53:23 Hmm. A warehouse full of glass souvenirs, including glasses, ashtrays, and plates, was attacked by a poltergeist who caused thousands of dollars worth of damage. More than 200 incidents that could not be explained through any normal means occurred in the warehouse. A 19-year-old worker was under suspicion for just ruining things, I guess, and was watched closely while much of the destruction was taking place. officers found that he could not possibly have been responsible. It seemed, however, that he was the poltergeist agent for the, for, for when the young man left, the destruction stopped.

1:54:08 Oh, well, I mean, that, that is suspect insurance claim. I like, yeah. Insurance claim. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird that everybody saw this. Cause like, Would everyone just hanging around and all of a sudden this happened? I mean, what else would you do? You know, just hang around and wait to see if you see a poltergeist. I mean, I would, if everything just started breaking and it was all glass, I'd probably leave. So you don't get hurt. Because there's glass everywhere. I have shoes on. I can leave. Okay. Now you're just adding to this improv exercise. Unfairly. You wouldn't have shoes on. Oh man. Really? I don't know. Take your shoes off indoors. But I'm in a glass factory.

1:54:51 What if you live in a glass factory? Would you take your shoes off? Yes. I mean, definitely. I mean, exactly right. Okay, well, then I'm just stuck there with all the breaking glass and police people for some reason who were there. Police people? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it sounds a little, that's kind of my favorite part about this book is it's like for kids and I don't think that they had any desire for truth per se. They just wanted to give you like a, whoa, creepy thing to read. Did you read any of these when you were a kid? Or like, I love this kind of stuff. These like weird paperbacks for kids. Yeah, I think I probably did. Yeah. They were so fun. I bought a ton of them on eBay for cheap. Well, some of them for cheap.

1:55:35 Some of them were like, people actually collect these now. I remember when I used to buy entire lots of RL Stein, like old RL Stein bucks, not goosebumps. And the, the lot would be like $ 6, but has to pay shipping because the shipping would be like 18 bucks because it was like a big heavy box. And now it's like, everybody wants those. And I remember I was collecting them. They were literally, I went to, um, half price books once by me. And they had them for a quarter a piece. Wow. And I took a stack, like I probably took 15 of them. Wow. And then I came back two months later and I bought another stack of like 10 and then it seemed like I think I tapped them out. Yeah. And this was like 20 years ago. Wow. So I'm always like collecting stupid paperbacks nobody else likes but me.

1:56:18 But apparently everyone likes them now. Now. Yeah. Yeah. I was way ahead of the curve. Just like when I bought those vinyl records thinking like, eh, this is cool, I guess, whatever. And then now everybody's like, we want vinyl records. Yeah. I can't help it. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it. Yeah. I know. I know. Go on. 1983, Zakopane, Poland. That's not the way you say that. Poland? Yeah. Yeah. Is it Poland? Maybe. I'm not sure. Many witnesses had seen glassware, pots and pans, and silverware. That's a lot of ands. Flying around the house where a young girl, Joasia Gajewski, I don't know, lived.

1:57:04 It's nice to hear you struggling with the foreign names for once instead of me. Yeah, but I'm definitely getting them wrong. Witnesses included neighbors, policemen, reporters. There's a lot of people again. Yeah, a whole lot. And even the city engineer who came out to the house originally to prove it was structural damage and uneven sinking of the house that was causing... things to fall off the shelves. Okay. As a home inspector, this must be interesting. It is interesting. Yeah. The girl was studied closely for two years by scientists in Poland. In 1987, when the investigation, when the investigators ran out of money, the poltergeist activity was still going on, making Joa Sia's, it might be Josiah, I don't know, case the longest lasting poltergeist on record.

1:57:51 Wow. Yeah. So what do you think of these poltergeist things? Do you think it's just telekinesis? I think it's a really cool idea that it's like teenagers who, for some reason, have telekinesis. I like that. Well, there there some i know that some people had postulated that it wasn't just teenagers having telekinesis but that was that teenagers are the only people who have telekinesis anyway that it's like a part for some people it's a part of their like uh of puberty or whatever but why but why yeah why go through puberty. Yes, but also why would people going through puberty have telekinesis but then lose the telekinesis?

1:58:31 It's possible that– I think that the concept was that it's because they like level out or whatever. Like it's more that like there's this influx of like strong emotions and confusing chemistry and that it for whatever reason makes some people like pop off and become telekinetic. I guess. I mean, I guess so. But then I would think that there would be some adults who have it, too, who are like just kind of unstable. And some people think that some people believe that there are like psychokinetics because I guess telekinesis is really not the popular term. It's psychokinesis. But I'm sure some people believe that there are just psychokinetic people out there, you know, like Carrie. Yeah. John Kerry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:59:13 I've heard it. I've heard that about him. Yeah. I mean, he's just happy people are still talking about him. He's like, I'm just glad people remember. I don't even know if that's how his voice sounds. That's how little I remember about him. I don't think that's how his voice sounds at all. Good. Well, he's like crazy rich. So what does he care? Yeah. He married the Heinz potato, tomato ketchup fortune. He married into that family. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to point out one of the reasons I love this book. I feel like we learned more about John Kerry in the last two minutes than we've learned reading all of this book so far. Yeah. Is that fair? Yeah. I mean, I think we learned about. So we're going to take a break here in a second, but do you think there's another section worth diving into? Because I'm curious what all's in there. I purposely didn't dig into it. I wanted to save it.

2:00:00 We can talk about UFOs over the White House and first contact with aliens if you want. Oh, you heard Chell. We're going to talk all about that. Right after this. Okay, Chell. Okay. Hit us with the UFO deets, because this has got to be even bigger than that disclosure thing. Yeah. Because we're really blowing the lid off by jumping into the very scary almanac. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, well, yeah, this is in the UFO section. So UFOs over the White House. On July 20th, 1952, radar screens at three different air bases began tracking seven UFOs in airspace over the White House. People could see them from the ground. A fighter aircraft was launched to see close up what these things were.

2:01:02 I mean, yeah, because they were unidentified at that point. Yes. As the pilot neared one, all three took off at speeds greater than that of any earthly aircraft in 1952, apparently. And the images faded off the radar screens. That was that. What do you think it was? I don't know. Like Russia? The entire country? Yeah. Just hovering over the White House? I mean, it does that, right? I don't know. Now I'm. I didn't think it did, but now I'm wondering because you're so certain. I mean, you've seen it in the sky, right? Sometimes.

2:01:43 Russia? Yeah. Well, maybe you're too far west. That's possible, actually. I mean, I don't know why they come this way, but they do. Sure. They just. They skip us entirely when they're coming from the west, usually. Well, no, the thing is they know that's what we'll expect. Oh, yeah. So they come over all the other countries. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I haven't seen. Oh. I'm sorry to say. Oh. Because that sounds exciting. It does. I mean, it's a little weird because Russia is like a land place. Yeah. So there's like dirt falling all over the place when they're hovering over and everyone gets really mad. Yeah, they get super mad. And that's why we don't like Russia here. Oh, that's why. See, we've hated Russia for so long, I don't know why. You don't even know why.

2:02:27 Yeah. It's because of the dropping dirt clumps on us and stuff. Yeah, it's not nice. That's pretty rude. It is. It's pretty rude. Yeah. I appreciate the insight. You're welcome. Thank you very much. So what else we got? First contact with an alien? Okay. One of the first reported cases of a human being encountering aliens outside of... Oh. Huh. I feel like there's got to be a was in here, but I'll just pretend. One of the first reported cases of a human being encountering aliens outside of a spacecraft occurred on... July 1st, 1965. Ooh, okay. That's a good year.

2:03:08 Yeah. A farmer in France saw an oval aircraft in his field. He snuck up close and saw two creatures the size of boys. Whoa. With large skulls and eyes that were slanted and longer than human eyes. Oh, dear. Were they black? Did it say the eyes were black? It doesn't say. Their mouths were mere slits and their faces... At their chins came to a point. Like anime characters. I was going to say, yeah, like anime characters, except their eyes are really, really round. Yeah. That would be the big difference. Yes. The creature is pointed at some kind of stick. Okay, sorry.

2:03:49 The creatures pointed some kind of stick at the farmer and he fell onto the ground, unable to move. Well, clearly it was a wand if it did that. Yeah. Or maybe he just was scared that it was going to hurt him. So he just kind of fell and then he panicked. Sticks are scary. I think so. Unexplained stick. Yeah. The beings got into their ship and then they flew away. After that, the plants where the ship had landed died, probably because of the landing fire and stuff like that. Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah. And none have grown there ever since. It's been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a long time. Yeah.

2:04:29 So do you think that's proof positive? I mean, they had a stick. So I trust. You trust the stick? I trust that there was a stick and that he was scared of the stick. I wasn't expecting us to blow the lid off of UFOs. Yeah. But. Wow, this is blowing minds. Yeah. Like, who needs Wikipedia when you got the very scary almanac? Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know. Oh, wait. Does that say what are Fortean? Mm-hmm. What does it say? It says what are Fortean phenomenon? Oh, okay. I know that that's a big thing now to not call yourself a paranormal investigator or a cryptologist or cryptozoologist. It's to call yourself a Fortean investigator.

2:05:11 Mm-hmm. Become a big thing because it, I guess, because it covers all of it or something. I have no idea, actually. Do you want me to tell you about it? Sure. Okay. I like to learn. Okay. What are 14 phenomena? There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Yeah, man, that's a little harsh, but okay, geez. From William Shakespeare in Hamlet. Oh, okay. It sounded judgy the way you read it. I know. Yeah. Charles Fort, born in New York, yay, in 1874. Doesn't even say what New York? No, just says New York. Made it his life's work to collect reports of odd and unexplainable occurrences. Fort sought out and compiled newspaper stories, firsthand accounts, and other records of these and many other events that science could not or would not explain.

2:06:06 So, good news, bad news. Bad news is Charles Fort was born in Albany. Yay. The good news is he died in the Bronx. Yay. Like so many others. Yay. He did die in the Bronx, though, 57 years old. Yay. He's dead. Oh, he had poor health and failing eyesight and didn't seek medical help for his worsening health. He emphasized instead working on, I think, his last book. It was probably leukemia. Not quite that good of an investigator himself if he didn't want to look into his own illness.

2:06:47 Yeah. I'm sorry, dude. What do I know? It must have been scary and he was probably all alone and stuff. Yeah, I think he was married, but still. Oh. Still alone. He definitely had a mustache. Okay, that's good. Okay. All right. So, anyway. I'm just trying to figure out where we were. In 1931... The year before Fort died, the Fortean Society was founded to study and publicize unusual events such as those listed below. Ooh, list them. Amazing coincidences. I love those. Bleeding statues and paintings of religious icons in churches or homes that, for no explainable reason, began to ooze red fluid.

2:07:32 In some cases, the fluid had been analyzed and was proven to be blood! Exclamation point. Ooh, I like the exclamation point. Yeah. Because that makes you really go, oh, man, it's real blood. Yeah. Yeah. I know one time it was chicken blood. Oh, really? Yeah. Hmm. There have been a lot of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was one statue that was crying. I can't remember. That was like a Virgin Mary statue or something I was crying tears and they, somebody swabbed some tears and took it to a lab and it was, uh, it was 60% water, 40% chicken fat. Ew. Jeez, just do it with water. Why do you need chicken fat in there? So it doesn't feel like it's just water, I guess.

2:08:12 It's a differentiator. But tears feel sort of like water. Why not just put some salt in them? Because then if I tasted them, I would think they're tears. Well, for the record, not everybody is as familiar with tears as you. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm just trying to help give you perspective. I would just know immediately because you just taste them. Yeah. And you're like, these are real tears. Yeah. This is chicken fat. Yeah. No, I, yeah, I probably would eat like that actually. So, okay. So the crying statues and such. Yeah. So blobs in and growths on city sidewalks and streets. That used to be a thing people claimed a lot more to see. There's still out there people claiming like a weird black slime and sludge and blobs and stuff.

2:08:55 Yeah. I mean, they know that that's all like mold and fungi. Right. And the ones that like grow giant and grab people. Yeah. Slime mold. Slime mold. Slime mold. Okay. That's my favorite kind. I do remember you saying that when we first met like 20 years ago, you were like, hi, I'm Michelle. My favorite mold is slime mold. It's great because it's not really mold. Yeah. Is it slime though? No. It's a single-celled organism. I like that it's nothing that its name is. Yeah. That makes me happy. Yeah. So, other than that, encounters with mysterious creatures such as the Mothman, a tall, gray, man-like being with a 10-foot wingspan who has been reported several times in the Ohio River Valley.

2:09:39 Yeah. Yeah. That's what's up. Um. Mothman. Yeah. Yeah. Being a Mothman. Um. Rains of blood, stones, living fish, frogs, and other objects which fall from the sky. Oh. Which may or may not happen. It could. I mean, I've heard, there have definitely been stories of fish and stuff falling from the sky. I think it's. And nobody knowing why. I think what we've kind of decided scientifically. You and I? Yeah. Is that like, it's like water, like water sprouts, water, like spouts over the, and then just pulling up the animals and dumping them down. Yeah. Yeah. I would just like to see that actually happen then. Okay, let's do it. Right now? Yeah. All right. Let's go.

2:10:20 All right. Let's pack up. Should we bring some sandwiches? No. We got to do this right now. I thought you were going to say, no, we got to do this right. And that was going to be like, what? The sandwiches would be the problem? Yeah. No, we got to do this right. Okay. So what else do we know about the Fortean? Or Fortean. Sorry. It's Fortean. That's how you say it. I say it. Levitation experiences where people have the ability to float in the air. Okay. Family jinxes, where families or individuals have incredible strings of bad luck or bring bad luck to others! Spontaneous human combustion, where a person suddenly, for no apparent reason, catches on fire.

2:11:05 At least say it like it's so everyday. Catch on fire. And the fire starts inside the body and then breaks out on the skin. I need to do a huge, like, month, or a not monthly spooky, but I need to do like a huge terrifying and true. That's just like a massive deep dive into all the research and realities and stuff of a spontaneous human combustion. Cause it's really interesting. I'm sure. Yeah. Even though I don't know that I believe in it wholly at all, or even a little bit. I think a lot of the people who went on fire have either have been smoking, but also drunk. Smoking and drunk are like the big ones. We talked about it a bit on the show before. Yeah. I guess smoking and drunk are the big ones, but also victims of, of, of like arson homicide is like a big one.

2:11:51 That would make sense. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And then, you know, I think he just caught on fire for no apparent raisin. I like to say raisin when I'm clearly lying. It's like my favorite. No raisin. So, uh, yeah. So spontaneous human combustion twins. Who suffer identical injuries, although miles apart. Oh yeah. I remember hearing, I mean, I've heard stuff about that. Usually it's like, uh, pains that are like, you know, like pain in your leg, but it's not like a thing. I wonder, I wonder, I mean, I think that that could be real. Like if you, cause we remember we're just, we were talking about like sympathetic pains. Yeah. Maybe when you're that closely bonded, you're just getting them. But if you don't know that it happened.

2:12:32 Yeah. Cause twins are so closely bonded and then everything's good. I don't know. I don't know about all that. All right. unexplainable appearances and disappearances where people vanish without a trace and then, or suddenly appear miles or years from where they were supposed to, where they are supposed to be. Those are always interesting, especially if the person has no answers for like where they were or why they went there. Well, what if they don't have any answers because they were just running away from something and they don't want to tell you about it? I'll tell you the truth. A lot of them, that is what happens is they just don't want to, They just say like, I don't know what happened. Cause they don't want to talk about what they made them run away.

2:13:12 Yeah, exactly. We did a story months and months ago here, um, where a woman was found in Indiana after she'd been missing for like forever. And it turned out that she had like, she had just vanished because she didn't want to be found because her ex-husband or something. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that's most of the time where what missing people are. They're just someone who left. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, that's why nobody takes you seriously when, You're like, I am certain the Sasquatch stole my friend Michelle. And they're like, uh, had you noticed anything odd about her? Like, did she have, like, a new hairdo? Did you notice she might have been, like, packing a bag? And I'm like, no, I pay attention to her. I'm nice to her. She's my friend. And they're like, uh, it sounds like she just ran off.

2:13:53 And I'm like, aw. Yeah, it's okay. I deserve not to be found. Okay. So, what do we got left on the 14? One more. Unexplained lights such as the Joplin lights that appear to bounce and move with intelligence on an empty field in Joplin, Missouri. No one can get close enough to them to examine them for whatever reason. They keep hopping away and there's no explanation for them. Wow. So, that is our very scary almanac. May I take a look at that? So, Make sure to get your own copy. I don't know where you'd find it.

2:14:34 They're out there, but they're a little bit hard to find. It is illustrated. Um, the other reason I loved grabbing it was on the front. I was just like, oh my God, if I saw this as a kid, I would have snatched it so quick. It says featuring frightening facts about vampires, werewolves, zombies, leeches, rats, Lizzie Borden, Friday the 13th, the Loch Ness Monster, Edgar Allen Poe, the Bermuda Triangle, Ouija boards, morticians, poltergeists, cannibals, Bigfoot, grave robbers, Jack the Ripper, horror movies, and nauseam. Oh, ad nauseam. Sorry. If it was about and nausea, I'd be like, hey, chill. Oh. There you go. So look at this. So this was one of the things I got excited about. I wanted to mention real quick. It's literally an almanac, but it's a goofy almanac for kids.

2:15:16 So like werewolves, the existence of the werewolf, a person who can turn into a wolf is one of the oldest and most widespread beliefs in the world of monsters. Details have varied in different places and times, but people from ancient to modern times have shared these beliefs about werewolves. The transformation happens at night. Some people believe that the moon must be full as well. When it is in wolf form, a werewolf is ravenously hungry. It will attack and eat animals and sometimes people. When a werewolf has eaten its fill, it returns to human form. I just love that it's all broken down. Like zombies. In Haitian voodoo, a zombie is a dead body brought back to life by a bokor, a witch doctor, or evil sorcerer. Zombies are mindless slaves working endlessly doing whatever they are told.

2:15:58 A zombie must be fed occasionally to keep it working, but it must never taste salt. Stuff like that. I just love that. that stuff. Yeah. I don't want to be a zombie now. Oh, the whole thing about terror attainment, which was like the era before horror movies. Sorry. I didn't, I missed these ones. Oh, it's okay, dude. Like stuff about black, black cats and familiars curses. It's just really, really cool. The problem is I would love to like, just dive all the way into this. That would take a really long time. Yeah. So, and I love the back of it because I just am waxing nostalgic about like these kinds of books when I was a kid. The back just says, have you ever wondered? Did Lizzie Borden really give her mother 40 whacks?

2:16:41 Can you find a Ghostbuster in the Yellow Pages? Do mortuary schools have football teams? Are Ouija boards dangerous? Well, you can stop wondering and read this book. You'll find the answers to these and hundreds of other questions in The Very Scary Almanac. A no-nonsense reference book for young people who enjoy having the daylight scared out of them. By Random House. Oh. That's why I love this stuff. Yeah. I love that it's a reference book for everything stupid and spooky. Yeah. Like, you know, Friday the 13th, November 1st, which is the Samhain Fire of Peace, All Souls Day. Like, they have all this cool stuff. Mm-hmm. All Hallows' Eve, obviously, while Purge is knocked. I just love crap like this. Yeah.

2:17:28 I do. So crap like this jerk, stupid, dumb stuff like that. Yeah. But we're going to take a quick break. And when we get back, Chella is going to share the scariest Reddit story we've ever heard in our lives. We'll talk a little bit about horror media and we'll get out of here wishing you all a very happy Halloween right after this. We are back and we're wrapping up this October edition of monthly spooky. Of course, October is the money month of spooky stuff and horror and all that. So I'm very excited to say, Unfortunately, I've only seen one really horror horror movie in the theater, and that was Other Mommy. I liked it. A lot of people seemed to crap on it a bit, not like it as much, but I thought it was really fun. I thought it had a good message. I thought it was scary, had some good jump scares, had some good gross outs, things like that. But what I'm excited to say is Chell and I have been watching dumb horror movies that I choose really late at night since I came to visit.

2:18:34 After we watch a couple episodes of a vampire anime that she keeps pretending is not vampires because she wants to keep me on my toes. It's not vampire. Okay. But last night, or the first night I was here, we watched Night of the Demons. I remember that was the first night. I think, did we watch it on Sunday? No. No, we watched it on Monday. We just go to sleep, yeah. Oh, yeah, we just talked to them and fell asleep because I'm boring. But we watched Night of the Demons, which you had never seen before. One of my favorite on Halloween horror films. Night of the Demons, an absolute classic that I think people should definitely check out. And I thought you'd enjoy just the sheer amount of like 80s punk that was in it. And you seemed to enjoy that. Yeah, I did. You seemed to appreciate that.

2:19:15 Yeah. So what did you think of Night of the Demons? I liked it. Yeah? Yeah. I was really tired. So I'm not sure I got all of it, but I liked it. There's not a lot to get. The demons start possessing people. Yeah. And then those people kill some people. Yeah. And then they get possessed. And then two of them survived. Spoilers. It's only been out for 40 years. Oh, man. I'm sorry. Yeah. They have to get over the wall. Yeah. Because water is. Yeah. Because demons can't cross water. Yeah. Because it's a it's a sacred thing, I guess. Yeah. Well, running water has always been like a sacred thing. Good thing. And like Native American spiritualism, especially. So then last night I showed you one that's a lot lesser known.

2:20:00 That I've always loved called Mischief Night from 2013. Not Mischief Night from 2014. There are two of them. The one about a blind girl who is home alone on Halloween night and she gets terrorized by killers. And that one, I thought that one hit great. Yeah. You seem to really dig that one. Yeah, I really like that one. I was actually having a hard time staying awake more than you. I know, yeah. I think you were into it. Yeah, I was totally fine last night. She was a great character. Mm-hmm. Super good character. Yeah. Super believable. Mm-hmm. I loved the storytelling method, how they... showed her, like, cooking her own dinner and stuff so you could see that, like, even though she's blind, she can pretty much do what she needs to do. Yeah. But then they'd also mess with things like she steps on that piece of glass and we both winced and cried like little babies. Yeah.

2:20:40 Stuff like that. Especially because there was a fake-out first where she didn't step on the glass. Yep. And then she does. Yeah. Which made sense because she, like, wasn't thinking about it as much by then. Yeah. You know? I like that movie a lot. Yeah. So, and you seem to dig it. Yeah. The ending is freaking great. Mm-hmm. Like once it takes a turn, you're just like, holy crap. Okay. That's very violent and very awesome. So, and both of these we found on Tubi and Pluto TV. So if for some reason you need a Halloween watch and you haven't seen them. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You can do it. Yeah. But, uh, but so those were, those were some fun flicks. Um, we went down to Philly and saw this silly haunt we mentioned earlier yesterday. Uh, kind of a haunt. It was like a Halloween thing. activity.

2:21:28 I get it. I don't know what it was. But then we went to, we went to, um, what do you call it? Uh, Chinatown and had really good food. So, you know, it was, we've been having a lot of fun, but, uh, I've been enjoying my trip, my stay. So thank you so much for, for letting me stay in your not Philly home. Okay. What? Yeah. No, you're right. And when we're done here, we're going to go to an orchard and we're going to, we're going to get apple cider and maybe some more apple cider donuts if they're fresh. When they're fresh, they're like cocaine. Like they're like crack. I mean, you cannot like, Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what that would be like because I don't do drugs. What? Yeah. I literally watched you do drugs like three minutes ago. No, it was only a, that was, I don't call that drugs.

2:22:10 Oh, okay. I mean like, like the really hard drugs. I don't do those. Like Benadryl. Yeah. Yeah. That's no, I don't do Benadryl. That is the limit. Yeah. And I think it's good to have a limit. I think that that helps you a lot. So, but I just, in all seriousness, uh, I've had a really good time and I want to sincerely thank you, Chell, because no, no, just like the October is so crazy for me trying to get everything done that I can and being able to take this break and hang out with you and have some spooky fun and, and all that has just really meant a lot to me and really like upped my spirits. Cause I love doing the show, but like doing anything all day long, every day, every single day is going to exhaust you. It just does. So I feel like I'm so much more refreshed and like into everything. Good.

2:22:54 And Chell had to suffer through what she claims is me being excited about literally everything, apparently. Literally everything. Absolutely. Yes. Is it really every, I'm not excited about everything. I mean, I guess not everything. Like you're not excited about like the spiders outside as I am and stuff like that. They're kind of cool. Oh God. It is everything. Fine. I just, I'm sorry. I get excited about walking down a street. Yeah. I can't help it. Like, it's cool. Literally everything. She just teased me because I said I had butterflies when we were almost to the haunt. It's cute. Thanks. Well, anyhow, are you ready to blow our minds with some Reddit?

2:23:36 Sure. Okay. This is your moment. Yeah, so there's not, I don't, yeah, it's okay. I think we've done something like this before, but it's someone else now. It's from Glitch in the Matrix subreddit. Seems to be the best one for creepy stuff. I think it's the only one that I'm finding stuff on, but I really should go back to paranormal and just check that out again. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm not here to tell you to do your job. Yeah. Um, so, so anyway, there's this dude and he was like a kid at one point. And when he was a kid, he was home from, he was home after school, I guess, playing Xbox. And I think his dad normally gets her. I don't know when his dad normally gets home, but he heard his dad come in the house. So he stopped playing Xbox. And I think normally, if I'm remembering from the comments correctly, When his dad came home, his dad kind of just took over the TV.

2:24:24 Yeah, that makes sense. So his dad comes in and he says like hi to him. And his dad is in like a really good mood, which is weird because his dad is not usually in like a great, great mood. No, he's like a drunk and an abuser. Something like that. I mean, he's probably he's probably a nice guy, but he's like, he just come home from work. But he said like he had a really good day and he's like, I'm gonna go get changed and we can get some pizza. And the kid was like, cool. Sweet. They do get pizza sometimes. So his dad goes into the bedroom. And he's like waiting for his dad, waiting for his dad. His dad just doesn't come out. He's waiting for his dad. Goes into the bedroom. Nobody's there. What? Then he gets a call from his dad saying, I'm still at work. It's going to be a couple hours.

2:25:05 Other daddy. Yeah. That's scary. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But my first thought is that it, That he dreamt it. Like he, like he was in, he would like accidentally napped for a second and didn't realize it. That's my immediate guess. I mean, it's totally possible. I just, it would just depend on him as a person. Like I, I don't think I ever as a child, like fell asleep during the middle of the day. So never, I mean, not as like a teenager. No, no. I mean, I think if you're exhausted enough, it doesn't matter at all. I just, to me, it sounds like you could have dreamt it. Cause, and then like, You know, like, you sat on the couch, you dozed for a second, you dreamt this little thing, and then you woke up and you just remembered, like, oh, yeah, I sat back down on the couch, I was waiting for dad. Yeah, yeah. Because, like, I've had dreams where I've thought I've replied to text messages, and then I wake up and I'm like, oh, crap, I need to reply to that text message. So that's just my two cents. What about you?

2:26:04 It's possible. I mean, I think that makes sense, but, like. But you think I'm wrong. Yeah. Okay. Basically, no, I mean, I really don't know, but, like, I feel like if it were me, I'd be able to differentiate, like, what's a dream. Especially because he's not 13 now. So especially years later. I think that's worse, actually. Ah, okay. You're right. Because memories, you know. Yeah. So I think that if anything, you'd be like, oh, that's weird. And then as you get older, you'd be like, that's really, really weird. Yeah. It's gotten so weird because I keep remembering it, and it's better every time I remember it. Yeah. Every time it gets a little bit more complicated. Yeah. The dad says more things and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. When it might have initially just been like, Oh, is that dad walking by smiling? Yeah. And then I'll say like, wait, where's dad? Yeah.

2:26:45 Yeah. Versus the other thing was, he said that like, uh, did he say he claims that he went to the bedroom and his dad wasn't there. Then the phone rang. Right. I mean, afterwards. Yeah. Oh yeah. So wait, no. So the phone rang and then he looked for his dad. No. Okay. Okay. So that's the other part. That's a little weird though, is like, I wouldn't be surprised if in reality, the phone woke him up. And then he checked. It's possible. That's my only thought. I'm not saying the guy's lying or anything. I'm just saying that's what would make sense to me. Also, does his family or did his family have a detector for carbon monoxide? They didn't. That's the, well, then that's the answer. Well, I mean, I think everybody survived and there wasn't a, you know, like no one ends up dying of carbon monoxide poisoning. So I think they're probably okay.

2:27:33 Did they ask, did anyone die of carbon monoxide poisoning? Nobody asked that, so. See, well, then that's a huge, that's a huge glaring plot hole. Yeah, we all agree. don't know. We really don't know. But that is creepy. I mean, and that's the kind of thing I would imagine. I mean, the whole other mommy movie concept came, I'm pretty sure, from that like, that there was like a meme, like a kind of creepypasta kind of meme horror story that was like a mom saying goodnight to you, and then them hearing something under their bed and sticking their head down under their bed. And it's their parent down there going like, we got to get out of the house right now. You know, and you realize like that, but who you were just talking to was your parent. That's such a great gag. Yeah. Yeah. And I love the detail that he was like, and dad was really happy. He's like, usually he's not happy when he comes home from work. It's like, I'm so happy, son.

2:28:19 Can I have your skin? Yeah. Dad, what? Your skin, like your flesh. Can I have it? I mean, I gave it to you. So why can't I have it? Why can't I have it back? Huh? Yeah. I would just say, okay. And then he'd be like, okay, I'm just going to take a shower. And then I'll get your skin. I'm just a little, yeah. Okay. I'll get the potato peeler. You're always so helpful. Well, I would, no, I would like ask, like, what do you want to use? The skin for? No, what do you want to use to take off the skin? Oh, take off the skin. Yeah, fillet knife? Yeah. Fish knife, you know? Yeah, I have a couple of things. Yeah, yeah. Whichever one you like better. You got a few things, you know? Yeah. That's good. Well, I'm glad we kind of, we worked through that. That's a good one.

2:29:00 Yeah. Though, I just, I think that one's the one I feel like I could figure out the most, because I feel like I've had little brief dreams that then the more I remembered them, the more they made sense. Mm-hmm. Because I'm just kind of filling it in. Yeah. But I could be wrong. I don't know. Is that what you think? Or do you think he's just, it was like alternate universe dad? I honestly don't know. I mean, it's probably that he just, you know, fell asleep. But it doesn't have to be. Maybe it's real. As a treat to ourselves, we'll just believe that's real. Okay. All right. So, Chell... thank you again for joining me for this episode of Monthly Spooky. We've been doing this show now for, I think, three years? Oh. Maybe it's a little longer than that.

2:29:41 Wow. I didn't check, and I'm not going to, but I really appreciate doing this with you. I really love wrapping up the month just kind of hanging out and laughing about some stuff and talking about spooky stuff. It's been super, super fun every single time we do it, which is why this is the last time. Yeah, I figured you were going to say that. But I did want to mention, I meant to mention at the start of the show, but the app is now available. The weekly Spooky App ITs last month is now available on Android and Apple in the app store. So search weekly spooky and you'll find it. It's really, it works pretty well. I'm pretty happy with it. Michelle, you were one of the beta testers. I was. Yeah. And yeah, it just, it's been a really, really fun time. And thank you to everybody who's listening to this, who has joined me throughout the month of October, whether you've been trying to listen every single day or you're just popping in when you have a second. I hope it's making your spooky season feel more like spooky season and allowing you to get your mind out of whatever else you're doing and have a little, a little moment where you get to go like, Oh, it's fall and the monsters are out. He, he, cause that's, we deserve that.

2:30:41 Yeah. A little fun sometimes with that. Cause a lot of us, we have hard adult jobs. Not everybody gets to be like me. Some people have to do hard things that are unpleasant. Like me when I pay my taxes and do business side stuff. So that's what I had to say. Okay. So I guess all that's left to do is say, Chell, no, no, no. I'm not going to say you have the final word. I'm giving you two options. You can have the final word, or I can come over and hug you for eight and a half seconds. Oh, my God. Yeah, pick one. I don't want those things. We're in the same room, so it's one or the other. Oh, my God. Why would you do this to me? That's so mean.

2:31:22 Give you a hug? I don't even smell. I smell great. Eight and a half seconds? 8.5 seconds, yes. Um, you know what? I feel like I should take the hug, because if I didn't take the hug, I think that would make you really sad, and I don't want to make you very sad. It would make me sad. Yeah. You're correct. Yeah. Okay, well, we'll do the hug, and the show will end. Okay. All right.

2:32:06 Thank you.