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Folklore Friday | Vampire Legends & Dark Folklore for Halloween
Why do vampire legends still frighten us? Henrique Couto welcomes folklorist and author D.L. Wainright to explore Romanian strigoi, Dracula, graveyard rituals, and New England vampire beliefs. This Folklore Friday conversation follows garlic, sunlight, shapeshifting, and a party guest hiding a disturbing secret beneath the table. Along the way: Ohio's Butter Street Monster, La Llorona, Slender Man, werewolves, and Halloween traditions. Discover how familiar monsters change as we share their stories—and which old fears still follow us into spooky season.
D.L.'s books: https://thehollowsun.com/
Bonus episodes & support: https://weeklyspooky.com/join
More scary stories: https://weeklyspooky.com/
Story submissions: WeeklySpooky@gmail.com
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Hello, my spookies.
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It's your old buddy Enrique Couto here, and I have
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a special guest and I would say a brand new
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friend of the show. I think you guys are going
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to get a real kick out of all the insights
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she's bringing. We'll call this a Folklore Friday kind of
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deal because we're going to be talking about folklore and
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especially folklore that has kind of a deeper dive, something
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you might not find just by Googling or what have you.
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So I'm joined by D.L. Wainwright.
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She is the author of the Hollow Sun series with
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a very strong background in folklore and religions, having studied them.
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What would you say it's safe to say most of
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your life? Oh, well, yes.
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And my degree is in world religions and religious studies.
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Yep.
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Yes.
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And it's fascinating because the religion versus folklore thing. I mean,
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it's kind of like religion versus cult. It's based on
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how widespread is it, how much real estate is involved,
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as to when something becomes a religion versus stays folklore,
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for instance.
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That's an interesting way of putting it, how much real
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estate it has. I mean, because a lot of folklore is, yeah,
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very local. And a lot of folklore, things that we
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call folklore now, were part of a religion previously. And
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they might have been like, Kind of sort of suppressed
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or changed and stuff as like Christianity spread and stuff.
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And so then these things that used to be the
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local deities and things now just become sort of lesser
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entities and just part of a local superstition.
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Yeah. Cause I always like to, I like to think,
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I like to have fun, you know?
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So I like to think as a treat to myself,
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like what if, what if like, let's use one that
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everybody knows to some extent, like what if Krampus, what
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if the people who first started believing in Krampus, like
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for fun or for, you know, celebration purposes, what if
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there was a famine and for some reason, the people
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who were really into celebrating Krampuschnacht ended up surviving the
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famine and And then it became like, no, we celebrate
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Krampusnacht like we do. And then you get like 500
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years and now it's like a religion. Because, you know,
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it just happenstance pushed it to be like, no, no,
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this is why we all lived. We keep doing it.
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We keep doing it. Like, that's kind of how a
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lot of faiths seem to happen.
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But honestly, you actually got Krampus backwards because Krampus probably
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was a local nature deity.
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Oh, yeah.
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So it was probably celebrated as some type of actual
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god-like kind of figure, but not like the actual god. Yeah.
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And stuff.
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And then, you know, a lot of times people don't
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want to give up their cool traditions whenever the Christianity
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comes in and tries to erase everything. And so Christians
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have to make some Sort of trade-offs. Some would be like, okay, fine,
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you can keep your Krampus, but we've got to make
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it somehow Christian.
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Well, and Krampus and a lot of those are really,
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it's extra fascinating because they're always from like, when they're
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from like the Alps and stuff, really hard places to
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live too. Where the stories are basically like, if you
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don't do your chores and you don't gather up the food,
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you die. He comes and kills you. Because it's like
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a child understands much better. A guy comes and kills you.
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Then you will slowly starve. We will starve.
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We will freeze. A kid's like, duh. But then you're like, monster,
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eat shit. They're like, ah. You know, it's a fascinating element.
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That's actually touching on a very common thing in folklore.
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A lot of like the spooky things in the folklores
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are sort of cautionary tales and stuff like that's why.
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Pretty much every single culture around the world has some
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type of creepy water monster that will drown you and
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kill you if you go swimming in it as a
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child and stuff. Because it's to keep kids from going
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unsupervised around water.
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Because it's like, no, don't go there.
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Because there's going to be this, that, or the other
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that's going to just pull you down under and stuff.
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Or don't wander out in the woods because this or
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that and stuff will be there. So it's just things
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to scare kids into not doing things that will get
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them killed.
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You're talking to a kid who grew up and his
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boogeyman was La Llorona. Like that was my boogeyman. So no,
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and that was, we lived in a, in a tenement building.
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Like we lived in a very unsafe area and I was, my,
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my stepdad told that story so well.
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Oh.
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With so many perfectly evil lies.
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For a child, you know, to hear the version he
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told La Llorona had two boys. Cause I was a
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little boy. And I was the only boy, little boy
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in the house. You know, he kept telling me about
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the stream behind our apartment building. Years later, I found
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out there was not even a stream there. There was
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not even a stream.
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He just made it up.
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Yeah. Yeah. To scare me more, you know?
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And, and, and then this whole element of like, you know, you'll, you'll,
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if you leave your bedroom and you walk around at night, you'll,
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you'll hear, you'll hear beautiful singing and you'll, you'll be
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so drawn to it.
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You'll want to know. who's singing so beautifully? What is
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the tune? And then you'll leave and you'll go to
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the stream and that's when you'll see a lady there.
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And by the time you see her face, it's too late.
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You realize she's weeping. She's weeping, Ricky. And then she
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gets you too. And I'm just laying in bed like,
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oh my God. So I'm like five years old sitting
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in bed going, do I just pee in here? Do
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I just pee the bed? Because I don't want to die.
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I don't want this monster to get me. I think
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you did it too well. Yeah, that's too well.
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And I think you just kind of made me realize,
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I think my older siblings created a folklore monster for me.
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They said if I didn't brush my teeth, the cavity
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man would crawl in through my window in the middle
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of the night and drill holes in my teeth, and
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that haunted me. my entire childhood scary that yeah like
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you should picture of like this yeah.
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You should write a creepy pasta like as soon as
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we're as soon as we're done you should write that
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creepy pasta before somebody else does it because that is
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a the cavity man well first of all that sounds
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extra scary when you're an adult too you're like what
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what what That has a lot of meanings. But the
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idea like he drills your teeth while you're asleep is
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frigging mortifying.
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It was mostly like the crawling through my window part
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that I think always like creeped me out and stuff.
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Because we, yeah, even though we lived in Florida, we
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didn't have air conditioning.
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So I always had my windows open.
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Of course.
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So that would make it even easier for him just
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to crawl in.
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Of course, yeah.
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He's able to drill holes in my teeth.
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Drill those teeth.
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Well and that's that's an interesting thing like as as
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somebody who's looked into folklore a lot like deeply do
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you find it wild how the internet is so into
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lore like it's their favorite thing even if it's you
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know all made.
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Up yeah well no i actually i i do find
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that fascinating because it just shows that uh humans are
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always still coming up with their own folklore like I'm
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fascinated by things like Slender Man and stuff. We know
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we can trace back to where it was invented, like
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on that something awful thread and stuff. And you can
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see the inception of this, this creation of this concept,
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but it has just grown and evolved and become its
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own thing. And like, you know, back rooms and all
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those other things, like we just keep coming up with
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new folklore that becomes part of our culture and stuff.
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And I just, I, I, Just think that's fascinating and
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a really cool glimpse into like human nature.
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It's like we just we just crave that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And I love that we're at a point where we
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don't even mind knowing it's fiction.
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It's just that we love this idea because it was
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kind of missing. you know, this, this idea that, you know,
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here's this thing and here are the rules and here's why. And,
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and all these things, cause that was the kind of
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stuff you would, you know, whisper about. Like when I
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was a kid, I feel like our folklore were kind
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of the, the most urban legend, the.
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Urban legends, you know, can thing on the door.
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Yeah.
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Or even, or even the more like devious ones, like, um,
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you know, like, uh, Was it the flashier high beams,
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you know, because there's a gang initiation?
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Oh, gosh, yeah.
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I remember that. There were so many. So many of them.
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And some of them would kind of like the vanishing hitchhiker.
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That one, you could trace it back super far. There's
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so many interesting stories about it. As long as there
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has been a way to hitch a ride, there have
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been people who hitch a ride and vanish.
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Yes.
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But then you look at gang initiation, and that's a
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very clear fear of urban change and playing on those fears.
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Because it was always like your aunt or somebody would
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just share that because they thought they were protecting you.
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So you have all these elements of folklore kind of
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bleeding into modern life where we kind of feel, especially
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I feel like back then, we kind of felt like
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we were above it. But then all of a sudden,
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you know, the chain letters would circulate no problemo.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah. And I had like, I had a coworker once
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who got like a chain letter email thing and was like,
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should I, should I send it? Because this says that
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the person who didn't before her like died.
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And I'm like, that's fake. It's all me. But she
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was so.
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Concerned and stuff because yeah, it gets, it taps into,
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I think our like, our brains and like that little
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imagination thing. But what if it's real? Like, I know
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it's probably not, but what if?
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Yeah.
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Like, and yeah.
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And what if is, is everything, especially because what you're
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talking about at the end of the day, imagination and
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imagination is all what if all the time. This is
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why I've, you know, put myself through seven years of
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weekly spooky, uh, telling scary stories, but then sharing, you know,
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true crime, but like in folklore, because when I first
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launched the show, we had what I call the flagship,
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which was the Wednesday Weekly Spooky, which is a narrated
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short story. Oh, cool.
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And that was the beginning. That was the impetus for
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the first hundred weeks. That was all we did.
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And as the show started to expand, I started doing
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what I called Terrifying and True, which is Mondays, which
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it was true crime and folklore, things like that. Things
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that people have believed was true or still believe is true.
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You know, that was kind of the rule of it.
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And the reason I made it folklore and true crime
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is I am a sweet summer child, and I get
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really depressed if all I talk about is true crime.
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I am not an adorable little white lady who can
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handle all that murder. I am a grown 40-year-old man
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with muscles, and it makes me sad, and I don't
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like only talking about that.
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No, I'm with you. So my day job is in logistics,
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and I will sit there and I'll be listening to
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documentary things. And if I'm listening to too many of
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the true crime ones back to back, I'm just like,
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why are people so mean?
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I need.
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To listen to something happier now. And my other co-workers
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