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Dec. 29, 2025

Monthly Spooky | New Years True Crime, Bigfoot on I-80, & Conjuring House Lawsuit

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends

Monthly Spooky true crime + paranormal to close out the year: a chilling wrongful conviction case tied to a 1987 Times Square-area murder that stole decades from two lives—and the long road to exoneration when the truth finally surfaced.

Inside this episode:

- The New Year’s Eve case: The wrongful convictions of Eric Smokes and David Warren after a 1987 murder near Times Square, including intense police pressure, a pivotal witness, and the fallout that followed for decades.
- The turning point: How a later confession/letter from a key eyewitness helped get the charges vacated in 2024—and what it says about the system.
- The human cost: The psychological toll of prison, relationships under strain, and the heartbreak of support that didn’t get to see vindication in time.

Plus fresh spooky news:

- Haunted real estate and why “haunted house” can mean big bucks (and big drama).
- A mysterious burial site discovery in ancient Scotland.
- Bigfoot/Sasquatch reported near Interstate 80 (and the BFRO getting involved).
- Kansas City jazz bar ghosts, investigations, and what counts as “evidence.”
- Oarfish and omens—because nature loves a good horror teaser.
- The Conjuring House controversy: from “save the home” chatter to lawsuit talk and why the story won’t stay dead.

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Conjuring up a lawsuit. Haunted real estate is big Bucks,

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a mysterious burial site in ancient Scotland, and Bigfoot is

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hanging out off of Interstate eighty. Get comforted towing off

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the lights. It's Monthly Spooky. Well, my friends, not only

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is it that time of the month, but it is

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the last Monday of the year two thy and twenty five.

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And I am, of course, your host Enrique Kuto here

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with my good buddy and Monthly Spooky co host Michelle. Michelle,

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how are you? You know?

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Just like that and stuff.

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Michelle acts all low key, but she shows up in

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a Christmas sweater, which I love that she's wearing Christmas sweater.

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I mean I've been wearing it for days though.

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Now, yeah, because it's Christmas time. It's it's post Christmas,

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but it's still Christmas time. You know. See where you are,

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it's cold. It's not cold here right now.

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I know. I looked at your weather a couple of

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days ago because I wanted to see if you were

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going to get the snow that everyone's good got here

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and it said it's going to be really warm there.

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Yeah, and and and we got an obscene amount of

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snow like a week ago, like we we had we

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had we had one big snowstorm and we had one

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big freeze where it got to almost zero yeah, which

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is really cold. I remember because I sent you the

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screen cap of that and you were like, Wow, if

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we hit that temperature, I just wouldn't have pipes anymore.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I am very grateful that my my my modest ranch

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house has all of the plumbing centrally right at the

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bathroom in the kitchen on either side of the wall.

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You know, Like, I'm really glad it's all centralized, because

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I very much I still will like drip my taps

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if it gets that freaking cold, but I really doubt

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as long as my house is heated that they would

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ever freeze.

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Yeah. Also, you have a you're on a slab and

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you only have one floor, so your pipes shouldn't even

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be going in your walls really, I mean unless it's

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got to get to a fixture or something.

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We have one pipe that goes to the front of

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the house for a for a hose, but we shut

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that off and drain it before the winter. I don't

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even my mom used to just be like, up, it's

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the end. Of the season. Shut it off. I use

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it so little. I just shut it off when I'm

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done with it, like I just turn because I have

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it has a little shut off valve, and then you

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just leave it open on the other side with like

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a bucket under it in case it drips a little

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or whatever. But that way, if there is any water

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stuck in it, it won't burst it because it has

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somewhere to go when it expands. Homeowner information yay, like

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homeowner stuff. But no, it is. Of course, we're recording

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this just actually just like a day before it airs,

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really so it's still the post holiday glow and we're

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heading into the new year, twenty twenty six. And but

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how was your holiday? HL? Was it good?

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Yeah? It was. It was fine. Yeah, I just talked

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was the family table?

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Yeah? Yeah, look at you bragging.

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I spent some time with my mom on Christmas Day.

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On Christmas, even Rachel and I saw her family. And

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on Christmas Day, my mom is weird about Christmas, so

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like she'd be like, I don't want to do a

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thing or whatever, like that's fine, and then she'd be like,

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so I cooked lunch, like come over, and I'm like, oh,

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my gosh, Mom, like it always ends up basically being

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a Christmas thing after she says she doesn't want to

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do a Christmas thing, and I'm like, that's fine, mom.

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I remember for years she used to have me over Christmas.

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Even she would make or dervs okay, and then when

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and then she was like, I just like, it's just

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so much work. I was like, Mom, I'll just bring

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a pizza. It's not really the thing. And then she

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every time at the last bit she's like, no, no,

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I've cooked some stuff. And I'd be like, you are

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doing this. No one is like, gee, sure, hope you

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make X, Y and Z or else Christmas is ruined.

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way in some ways. But but no. We had a

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good time and then came back to the house and

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I cooked well, I glazed a ham because the ham

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was already cooked, but I glazed ith, which was a

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lot of work compared to like making a whole turkey.

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It was like similar and it was literally a pre

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cooked ham that I was glazing. Learned a lot though,

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Next time I glaze a ham, I'll do a lot better.

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I'm sure you did a good job.

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Oh, it just took a really really long time because

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I in hindsight, I was like, oh, if I had

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just cut it in half and done two slabs, it

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would have heated up faster. The glazing would have been easier.

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But I was just doing the whole piece.

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It's like when you microwave things and you make them

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into little pieces so they microwave better.

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I don't do that, but that's cool. Well, when I

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microwave something big, I just microw with it at a

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lower power setting.

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Oh like smart person.

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Yeah, well it does take a long time, though. Yeah.

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You can. You can take like, let's say you have

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a piece of egg plant farmers on Huh, you can

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cut it in half and then it will cook faster.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and with glazing and ham it's even

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better because more surface area means more crispy glazy parts.

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So, and the glaze was brown sugar, honey, Worcester shear

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sauce and uh and dijon okay, which was really really good. Good.

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So anyway, I haven't spoken of anything spooky so far,

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fair enough, Uh, but no, it turned out really well.

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And that was the third turkey I've made since Thanksgiving. Wow,

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I am the king of Turkey. The third one it

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was just as good as the other two. Holy moly,

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I'm really good at making turkey good. Like, oh oh,

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I made gravy from scratch, I made turkey stock. I'm

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making turkey and dumplings tomorrow.

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That sounds really nice.

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Yeah, because I have a ton of turkey left over.

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Because it was just me and Rachel and Keith came

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by so because his family does Christmas on Christmas Eve too,

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so I was like, well, then, homie, come over and

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have dinner with us because we're just hanging out. Yeah,

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And it would have been obscene if it had been

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just us with a frigging We didn't have a whole turkey.

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We just had a breath the breast. This time we

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got like a whole two turkey breasts, so it wasn't

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quite as obscene as if we had a whole turkey

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and a hole honey, big tam. But it was still

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way too much food. I was like piling his plate

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like please, please, please, just crying take more. So but no,

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it was a good holiday. Did you get any gifts

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of note or are you just hateful?

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I'm just hateful?

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I know, but.

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Yeah, no, I I just asked for something because everyone

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was like, what do you want?

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What do you want?

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So it was like, here, give me these things. So

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I got those things my mom.

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I don't think I've told you about this yet. My

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mother gave just hands me this basket with like, you know,

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the paper in it, you know, to pull it out

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to see what's in it, tis shoe it. It was

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full of Portuguese stuff she had spent like a month buying,

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like Portuguese sardines and anchovies and smoked muscles. She got

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me Portuguese plums, which are like apparently like a delicacy.

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They're they're like a sweet and dried plum that's like

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a very specific style to Portugal. Just all these Portuguese

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goodies that are like imported because Portugal has some of

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the greatest seafood on earth because it's you know, a

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massive amount of its of it is coastal in the

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middle of the Mediterranean, right so or not the middle

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of the Mediterranean, but you know what I mean, it's

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near the Mediterranean. Don't ask me questions anymore. But it

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was just really really thoughtful, and she got me an

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apron that had like Portugal stuff all over it. Oh.

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I just thought that was really sweet because like, yeah,

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it's not where I get the Portuguese from. So it

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was very sweet of her to like be thinking of

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me and be like, I bet he'd really love this,

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and she was right cool, So that was really nice.

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I only cried a little bit. I tried to hold

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that back because that was just so insanely thoughtful.

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Yeah it really yeah, it really is.

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And she got me a record player, oh, which Amazon

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ruined the surprise on because she had that sent to

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me so I could open it in the morning and

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they sent it in a clear plastic bag. I hate them,

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and it was it was marked as like as a gift,

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so Mom complained. They gave her a thirty dollars credit

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for doing that, which was nice. I told her to

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do that though, I said, like you can plain, they'll

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give you something. But I hooked it up on Christmas

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morning and could not get it to work. I was

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struggling and struggling. Well, at first it was I'd put

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the belt on wrong, so I redid it. But it's

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bluetooth so I could keep it on one side of

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my room and have it. I want to have it

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streamed to my sound system, you know, because I have

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a big change system. I'm messing with the Bluetooth because

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there's no like app. It's just buttons, you know, press

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a button, is it blinking? Is it not? So I'm

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pressing all these buttons, and all of a sudden we

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hear the music. Because I had gotten a bunch of

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Christmas albums. Since I knew I was getting a record player,

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I started buying albums. So we all of a sudden

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we hear my like Christmas Blues album start playing. But

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it's coming from somewhere else, so we're like, what the

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we go into the kitchen. It's playing from our smart.

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Stove, where that's where I'd wanted to play.

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Apparently I didn't even know this. Our Spurs stove has

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like a full Bluetooth speaker setting, so but then I

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couldn't figure out how to disable it, so it just

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kept only connecting that. So I had to put the stove

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away from the wall and unplug it. Oh god, I'm

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sure there was another way, but I was at that point.

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I was like, I just wanted to listen to a

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record while I unwrapped my presence.

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You could even unwrap them in the kitchen with the stove.

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That would have been so nice.

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It is a really nice stove and it deserves a

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thorough cleaning after what we put it through this holiday.

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I would really like that though, Like I don't want

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a smart stove, but I'd love if my stove could

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connect to Bluetooth so I can play things.

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You could just you can just access YouTube and Spotify

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in the stove. I knew that's really cool because the

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touch screen on it is basically just an Android phone,

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so you wow, go on the Internet and do all

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kinds of stuff.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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That was a housewarming gift last year. So my mother

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was just like, get the nicest one. I was like, Mom,

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that's stupid, and she was like that one, and I

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was like, oh god, because literally my limit was like,

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I don't need one that connects to the internet. It's fine.

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only is your connect to the internet, it connects the

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most to the internet.

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My refrigerator connects to the internet in that you can

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see your settings in an app. It doesn't like it

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doesn't have a screen, it doesn't have speaker. You know.

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everything through the panel as well. It's just you can

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pull up your smart app and just be like, oh okay,

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oh yeah, the deep freeze, turn that on. You know,

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you can do whatever anyway. I see, I'm getting I'm

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almost forty, and I'm really showing it now by talking

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about home goods all the day, all the live long day.

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But we're going to take a quick break and then

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when we get back, we'll be talking about spooky news stories.

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But I want to mention our topic today. I went

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for something a little different because I've been talking a

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lot about folklore and things like that. So this year

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we're going to talk about an article I discovered about

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how there was in the nineteen eighties, two tourists were

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charged with murder at New Year's Eve in Times Square,

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and forty years later their convictions were overturned. Oh okay, Yeah,

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it's a really interesting story. So that'll be our topic

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for this week, as well as talking about horror media,

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et cetera, et cetera. But for now, we'll take a

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quick break and be back with that spooky news for you.

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And we're back and before we start. First of all,

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I love that we start recording and Shell immediately begins

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a big yawn. Sorry, it was it was perfect. It

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was so well timed. I would like to believe you

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did it on Porpoise.

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Sure I did.

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But before we start with the news, I wanted to

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mention that on Christmas Eve, I was sitting up watching

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movies and I got a notification at like six o'clock

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that I had this big package from FedEx and that

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it was still on its way to be delivered. And

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the app even said like the name of my delivery driver,

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you know. It was like saying all this stuff, and

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I was like, well, that's weird because I was like,

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I didn't even expect to get that early. It was

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a work thing, so I didn't even expect to get

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it early. And I'm not even I don't even care

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if it's delayed. But it was weird. It said it

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was out for delivery. So at about nine o'clock I

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checked the app again and it says it's still out

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for delivery, and I was like, well, FedEx, does you

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know they can be intense, but geez. So I went

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and got twenty dollars and just sat it on the

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coffee table, and I was like, man, if this actually comes, yeah,

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I got to give that dot driver a tip because

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like it's getting later and later. It didn't give up

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until midnight. Then all of a sudden, the app was

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just like, oh, yeah, it'll be there. We don't know

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when it'll be there. And I was like, you gave

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me like a moderate amount of guilt thinking this driver

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was still to deliver a box of rigid insulation that

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I don't even need before Christmas. You know, oh I

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got that for my mother in law. Yeah Christmas. Yeah,

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well I know that shell that's what you asked for

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for Christmas.

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But one got me rigid insulation. I'd be like, yeah,

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because I need it.

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So the face you're making makes me think you don't

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need rigid insulation.

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No, I just just trying to decide what I would

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need it for exactly.

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It's the good stuff rock wool seven oh three hmmm. Yeah.

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I make acoustic panels with it.

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That's nice. I don't like my wall to be made

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of rocks. But I understand.

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Wait did I say rock woll You did?

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And that's right.

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No, it's not rock wol. It's sorry, it's it's no,

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this is Owen's Corning seven O three. I got confused. Yeah, no,

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this is fiberglass.

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Oh oh gross. I mean it's good stuff.

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I just well, it's rigid, so like you have to

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like rip at it to get the part of particulates.

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Like it's it's like a nice solid board. So but

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I did meet rock. Those are the only two brands

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I deal with this, Rockwool and Owen's Corning. So of

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course I said the wrong one. But anyway, uh, that

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being said, was happy that our driver, whose name on

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the app was Billy, was not actually delivering my rigid

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insulation at eleven thirty at night on Christmas Eve.

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Yeah, yeah, I didn't have I did have an Amazon

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driver deliver something to me last week after nine, which

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it was actually super annoying because I wasn't even sure

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it came because I used my mom's Amazon, so I

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don't get the notification and it just ended up sitting

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out overnight because I didn't know because they didn't ring

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the doorbell, which you should if it's that late, so

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I can ring the package inside.

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The argument could be made not to ring the doormill

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because it's that late. Fine, whatever, I mean I had

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the post office postal workers dropping stuff off after eight

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or nine like three times over the last couple of weeks.

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So yeah, the post Office. You could really tell when

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they started kicking in the mandatory overtime because everything I

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was mailing was taking like quite a while. And then

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all of a sudden, I get a notification that like

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all the things I've been waiting for are all coming

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on the same day, like the twenty second, and I

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was like, oh.

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Yeah, yeah, I had something that was coming. It was

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a gift for my brother, and it was like, oh,

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it'll be here on the twenty six and I was

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like that's a while, and it's like it's coming today

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on the twenty first.

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I was like, oh, okay, sure, though I'm still waiting

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for your gift.

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Damn it.

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I don't know if it's uh, I think it might be.

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I don't know if it made it to Dayton today

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or not, so we'll have to see. It's probably coming today.

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They said it was gonna be here yesterday, but it

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was it was only it was in Indianapolis.

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So I love when they do that, when they're like

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it's out and it's like you're not even in my

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town yet.

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Not even in my state yet. Yeah. Well you know

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it's the thought that probably counts hurtful since I got

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your present nice and early, but you did, yeah well yours,

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but yours is handmade so now, but mine was picked

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with thought. You know what. I'm tired of you judging

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me all rights without even more ado. Let's get in

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to the spooky news, the spooky new use so to

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end the year, I thought we would go with tradition.

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This spooky news story is from Mirror dot co dot uk. Wow,

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yeah it's it was published yesterday, so it is brand new.

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Headline reads policeman takes photo of deadly car crash before

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noticing truly chilling detail.

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I mean it is a car crash.

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You find car crashes truly chilling? Yeah yeah, me too.

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Actually yeah. A policeman claimed to see the exact moment

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a crash victim's spirit left his body after looking at

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photo looking back at photos of the scene. So the

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photo they've included is a obscenely blurry image of a car,

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like the camera is clearly not being held steadily, Like

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there's streams of stuff all over it, and it looks

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to me like steam or smoke or fog. It's a

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pretty awful image. I would show it to you Chell,

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but that thing isn't working right now.

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Oh that's okay.

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John Bullwear was killed in a horrific car crash outside.

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Oh wow, this is from back in the day. That

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explains why the car looks so old. Okay was killed

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in a horrific car crash outside of Saint Paul, Minnesota,

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on December twenty seventh, nineteen eighty four. Oh this is

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but this was published yesterday, this article the teenager. Well,

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it's Mirrore, Dakota, you k there, Like, where's we gotta

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find ghost stuff? Right now? We got to move the eighties.

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Check the eighties. See if there's any tubular ghost stories. Bro.

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Yeah.

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The teenager had been on his way to watch mega

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star Prince play in his hometown of Minneapolis, just twenty

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minutes away. Oh jeez, I wonder if he stopped to

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purify himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. Maybe you

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need to see Purple Rain. Yeah, the Prince movie.

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Yeah.

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The best part about Purple Rain I only saw it

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a few years ago. The best part about Purple Rain

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is that Prince is supposed to be like a really

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tough dude, and he's Prince. There's a part where like

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he gets hit and he's like, ah, like and you're

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just like, yeah, that's Prince. I like Prince, but that's Prince.

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Prince is not a tough guy. He also just like

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at one point, just like whax, his love interest like

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hits her like right across the face and I wasn't

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expecting it, so I burst into laughter in a movie

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theater because I just was not ready. I was like,

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there's no way he's gonna just cold cock apollonia. Oh yeah,

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he colds. Yeah. But Purifying Yourself in the Waters of

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Lake Minnatonka is one of my favorite gags in the movie. Basically,

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he's riding around on a motorcycle because he's a tough

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guy with this woman that's in love with him, and

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he tells her like, if you love me, would you

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purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka, Because you know,

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he's from Minnesota and he was very proud of it.

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He wanted everything he did to be about Minnesota. So

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she says she would. So she gets in the water

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and it's freezing cold, and she like kind of like

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what you know, dips herself in it, and she's like

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all freezing cold, and he's like laughing, and she's like, there,

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I did it. He's like, well, there's one problem. That's

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not Lake Minnetonka. And I I always think that that's

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not Lake Minnetonka. Oh yeah. But he tragically lost his

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life after the car he was in careened off the

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road and smashed into a tree. YouTuber mister Ballin explained

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that sixteen year old John had been in the front

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passenger seat of the car at the time of the collision.

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He was being driven alongside three of his friends, one

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who was behind the wheel of the car. According to

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the testimony's, weather conditions have been particularly poor that night,

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but the pals were so excited for the concert they

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didn't care. This is why you have to be careful

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with how much you liked. Prince. Yeah, your face is

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so pained.

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I mean I was going to say, like, don't drive

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when it's bed outside and things, but yeah, Prince.

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But Prince. Yeah. But they were blasting music and chatting

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with each other. The teens were thrilled to make their

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way to Indiana or to Minneapolis and watch what mister

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balland described as their hometown hero. John turned to his

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friends in the back to exclaim how happy he was

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to be seeing the Purple Rain singer. But it was

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at this moment that the driver lost control. I don't

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know how they would know that. Oh, somebody might have lived.

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I think it sounds like some of them lived.

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Yeah, sending the car off the road and hitting a tree.

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Police were called the scene just minutes later and found

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John dead in the front passenger seat. Miraculously, the other

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three occupants of the car escaped with minor injuries, but

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were otherwise deemed okay. Officers to be okay, they're never

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going to be okay because they missed Prince. Yeah, officer,

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But what if it was like the police immediately took

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the boys the rest of the way to the concert. Yeah, officer,

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brown Coil. I know, I may bee sounding really heartless

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making these jokes. It was forty one years.

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Ago, so what it doesn't matter because it was a

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long time ago.

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Yes, okay, it's a mirror dot co dot UK article.

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It's hard to Yeah, it's hard to not taunt them

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a little bit, officer. Holy crap, Uh, that is much scarier.

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They zoomed in on a part of the image. And

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now I'm actually kind of weirded out.

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Oh yay.

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Officer Brown Coyle had the unenviable task of taking pictures

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of the scene and John's dead body on his phone.

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What that doesn't make any sense? This says nineteen eighty four.

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Um, there were phones in nineteen eighty.

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Four on his phone.

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I maybe somebody just fucked up.

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I think they just missed yeah, because they like.

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Didn't understand that there were cell phones just hanging out

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and around everyone in nineteen eighty four.

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I guess so. But it wasn't until he looked back

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at the photos that he noticed something eerie. In one picture,

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a blurry photo of the wrecked jeep can be seen

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still hoisted against the tree that claimed John's life. However,

463
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.079
in the top right hand corner, a flash of yellowish

464
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:22.720
light can be seen that seems to be in the

465
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.039
shape of a face that bears a startling resemblance to John.

466
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.799
It actually does. It looks like a screaming face. Oh

467
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.119
good with like a white guy with brown hair. It

468
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.000
looks a lot like him. Wow, I'm honest. Wow, it's creepy.

469
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.160
We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back.

470
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.440
We'll talk more about this, But that image, I'm not

471
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.240
gonna lie. When they enhance it and zoom it in,

472
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:58.920
it does look very eerie. Right after this, all right,

473
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.960
we're back and I've shown Shell the images in question. Yeah,

474
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:09.039
and I loved your reaction when you saw the image.

475
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.079
That gave me the reaction like, whoa, it really does

476
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.200
look like a screaming face m hm, right above the

477
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:15.799
wrecked car.

478
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:16.720
Yeah.

479
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.000
So what you were saying, it's you feel it's very

480
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:23.640
much paradolia, which is the finding of faces in images.

481
00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:28.680
Well, I think I said it's probably paradolia because because

482
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.200
I'm a person, so I can't be objective on how

483
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.640
I look at things. My brain's doing things all the time.

484
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.880
But it really looks like a face with hair that's screaming,

485
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.599
and it's kind of upsetting, honestly.

486
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.079
And it does look like John a little. It like

487
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.079
resembles him a bit. Yeah, quite a bit. Actually, yeah,

488
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.880
it's a little bit.

489
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.000
It's a little unnerving because I could I mean, if

490
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.000
somebody was like, no, that's totally a ghost, I'd be like,

491
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:54.559
I mean, I can't say that it's not.

492
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:59.559
Honestly, it looks like a Yeah, like a side profile

493
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:05.920
of man's screaming. There is one possibility that I thought

494
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.680
of immediately, though, It is that because the photo is

495
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:14.759
so blurry. Yeah, like it really is blurry. It's like

496
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.279
a horribly taken photo. What if it's a double exposure

497
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.359
and the other picture was a really shitty blurry picture

498
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.279
of John's corpse.

499
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.559
I mean, that would be terrible because.

500
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.279
The moving of the camera could make it look like

501
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.200
it's screaming when in reality it was just a body

502
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:30.759
laying there.

503
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.519
I mean, yeah, it's possible.

504
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.640
That's my first thought, because it looks it looks too

505
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.279
much like a face for me to feel comfortable saying

506
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:45.039
it's just paradolia, because it even has shoulders. Um, yeah,

507
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:46.799
it even has like kind of shoulders, like if he

508
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.720
was wearing flannel. That that's what it looks like to me.

509
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:50.799
But of course, now I'm.

510
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:56.599
Just now, I was just seeing that as like a blur,

511
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:58.880
the area that you see his shoulders.

512
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.359
So some believe it was John spirit shouting as he

513
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.279
hovers over the scene of the crime. The collection of light,

514
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.519
as mister Balin explains, looks eerily similar to John Bolwaar's

515
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.640
face and seems to capture the moment of John's spirit

516
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:18.119
departing earth. Mister Balin continued, this is showing his final

517
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.160
moment of life when he died, screaming as the car

518
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.960
is about to crash into this tree while he's taken

519
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.880
some liberties. YEA, I like mister Balin, but he's a

520
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.400
really good storyteller. He added that when this photo was

521
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.079
released to the public, there was a huge response from

522
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:39.559
people who argued whether or not it was real. Officer

523
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.519
Coyle remains to this day flummixed by what he caught.

524
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.279
He said, quote on the side of the picture of

525
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.359
the vehicle facing the driver's door above the vehicle, above

526
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.759
about even with where the front passenger seat would be sitting,

527
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.480
there was a clear image of a face. It appeared

528
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.759
to be in agony a scream. It had distinct hair

529
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:02.079
and a distinct profile. However, Coil adds, they could explain

530
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.000
some of the small things that are in each picture,

531
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.839
but each of them told me they can't explain all

532
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.119
of the things that are going on in one picture.

533
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.160
There's no explanation in my mind, and the experts haven't

534
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.359
been able to give me an explanation either.

535
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.960
I guess it's I guess we'd have to know what

536
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.200
the other pictures looked like to know if this is

537
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:21.640
a double exposure too.

538
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.039
Yeah, I mean we have yeah, we don't have any

539
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:25.559
of the other.

540
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.079
Pictures I thought I would have, like crime scene pictures.

541
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.279
No, because I swear, I mean, it looks enough like

542
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.079
a face that I think it is. But also I

543
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:40.440
know enough about double exposure to know that he's he

544
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.200
falls off at the shadows, and that's what double exposure does,

545
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.559
only the bright image is captured and everything dark is lost.

546
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:53.119
So it looks like double exposure to me. Absolutely yeah.

547
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.279
And it looks and it looks to be just as

548
00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.599
distorted and shaky, shakily taken as the initial Both photos

549
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:06.200
look really really distorted from a shaky hand. But that

550
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.400
is one of the more I actually was not expecting

551
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.599
to be that freaked out. Yeah, usually when especially when

552
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.799
it's weerdor dot code at UK. But yeah, but when

553
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.000
it's when it says like a picture police officer captures,

554
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.480
you know, ghost in photo, I'm like, uh cool, I'm sure,

555
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:26.079
I will, I'm sure, all care And then it's uh yeah,

556
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:32.839
yeah that was pretty freaky. So but with that all said, Shell,

557
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:39.240
this is an article for you Oh, this is from

558
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:45.319
Nbcpalmsprings dot com and the headline is Ghosts Welcome the

559
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.640
surprisingly hot market for haunted homes.

560
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.240
Huh Palm Springs.

561
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.000
I mean, that's where the article comes from. So we'll

562
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.559
we'll see what what more we discover. At first glance,

563
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.839
a haunted home might seem like a deal breaker. Strange stories,

564
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.599
eerie legends, and whispers of paranormal activity that can give

565
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.839
some buyers pause. Yeah, but what about the like, what

566
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.960
about the you know, what's the uh, what's the big

567
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.079
on the mortgage? Like, now that's the interest rate. Let's see.

568
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.359
But in this edition of Property Perspectives, real estate expert

569
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.200
Sorry Harner of California Vibes dot Net explains why a

570
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.960
spooky reputation doesn't always hurt a home's market value, and

571
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.599
in some cases can actually help it stand out. Sorry

572
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.880
says While some buyers are immediately turned off by the

573
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:43.559
idea of a haunted house, others are intrigued. So Shell,

574
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.480
would you be one of the intrigued?

575
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.599
No, No, not really, I mean not intrigued in the

576
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.599
I'm going to buy it way. I'm intrigued. Maybe I'd

577
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.319
like to go there and check it out. But I

578
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:04.400
don't really want a house that is noticeably haunted. No

579
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.000
offense to anything in my house.

580
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:13.480
I love that it was noticeably haunted. Yes, that that

581
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.160
is honestly the best part.

582
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.039
Yeah, well, I mean what can you do if there's

583
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.480
just things? But if the things are like touching me

584
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.559
and saying like, hey, you got to do stuff. I

585
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:26.079
don't want that.

586
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:31.920
So give me a couple of examples of noticeably haunted.

587
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:40.880
Like if like you, I don't know, like things, let's

588
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.720
let's do the classic, like cabinet doors open all the

589
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:44.920
time even though you're not.

590
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.920
I was gonna say, doesn't that could just be bad

591
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.240
cabinet tree.

592
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.880
Right, I mean you'd have to be really like off

593
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.640
to have them opening all the time, especially it's all

594
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.640
of them. I would kind of be worried that maybe

595
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.400
things aren't secured properly that.

596
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.039
Oh, like secured against ghosts.

597
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.559
Yeah, yeah, they didn't. They didn't do that ghost securing.

598
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.480
These cabinets are so well made they hold spirits inside

599
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.480
them until you open them in order to fetch a

600
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.559
cup of sugar or your favorite mug. That's they don't

601
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.039
make them like they used to, you know, No, you

602
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:23.799
just go into the cabinets just like the Ark of

603
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:25.880
the Covenant. It's like it's like the exact same thing,

604
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.880
except as a cabinet. Now m hm, you're like, wow,

605
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.200
so that'll hold in all of the old world gods. Yeah,

606
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.000
sure will.

607
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.960
Yeah, And I saft closing doors, but you shouldn't use

608
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.119
them because you want to close it really fast.

609
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.039
I wasn't ready for that. That was That was good.

610
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.400
We're gonna take We're gonna take a quick break, and

611
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.640
then we'll learn some more about the market values of

612
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:09.319
haunted houses after this. All right, we're back. I managed

613
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:17.200
to regain my composure after Sheell's comments about slow clothes.

614
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:23.359
All right, so sorry, says. While some buyers are immediately

615
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.599
turned off by the idea of haunting, others are intrigued.

616
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.480
For certain shoppers, a home's history adds character and charm,

617
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.359
especially if the property is older or architecturally unique.

618
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:37.319
Well I mean sure.

619
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.079
Some buyers even see these homes as conversation starters or

620
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.759
opportunities to own something that's truly one of a kind.

621
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.839
There's also a practical side to the appeal. Homes with

622
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.480
a stigma, including those rumored to be haunted, may sometimes

623
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.359
be priced more competitively.

624
00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.359
Yeah.

625
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:05.599
Yeah, that's my favorite, like trope line when the house

626
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.799
is like the walls are bleeding and stuff is like,

627
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.279
how do you think we got the place so cheap?

628
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:09.759
Mmm?

629
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.920
Remember did you watch Clarisa Explains at all when you

630
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:14.400
were a kid?

631
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.160
Yeah?

632
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.279
I loved Clarissa. Were you a big Clarissa fan? Yeah?

633
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.319
She was so cool. She was cool, Like you want

634
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:22.039
to hang out with her?

635
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.200
I mean not really, I don't want to hang out

636
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:25.920
with people, but.

637
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.839
You know, well, there was the Halloween episode where she

638
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.279
convinces Ferguson that the house was built like when the

639
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.000
house was being built, a guy was like killed, a

640
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:41.039
bad guy was murdered and put into the foundation of

641
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.640
the base of an unfinished basement and it was theirs,

642
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
and he was like that's how he got the house

643
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.599
so cheaping. And the part that kills me about that

644
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.759
now is that Ferguson goes, what do you mean Dad's

645
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.680
always complaining about the mortgage. That's the part I love

646
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.640
because I'm like, it is a really big house, like

647
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.400
because it's a sitcom, so so he says, but Dad's

648
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.480
always complaining about the mortgage. That always maybe made me

649
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.480
laugh like a ton as an adult. Yeah. But her

650
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.960
response to that was you're like, well he does that

651
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.599
because he always says then you'll never know about it

652
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:21.199
and like them anyway. So let's see. There are the

653
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.639
practical site uh that can that can attract buyers who

654
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.239
are less concerned about ghost stories and more focused on

655
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.360
square footage, location or long term investment potential.

656
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.320
Yeah, I get I got it.

657
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.280
I wouldn't feel like long term investment potential is the thing.

658
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.400
If you're getting a place cheap because it's known to

659
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.000
be haunted or ghastly or something.

660
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.599
Well what if you go there and you're like, oh,

661
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.039
I don't believe in ghosts. So next time I list this,

662
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.519
we're not going to talk about ghost because they're not

663
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:50.559
going to be any ghosts.

664
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.480
Yeah, because I'm gonna kick all their asses.

665
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.360
And yeah, they gotta pay rent, and then it really

666
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.000
is good investment potential.

667
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:02.039
Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, pay in ghost bucks, no

668
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.960
real money money. Oh oh okay, they have to get jobs.

669
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.480
Oh wow, Okay, I like this. I like this task

670
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.400
Master cell that we're seeing on the show. Disclosure rules

671
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.239
also play a role. In some states, sellers are required

672
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.639
to disclose certain events or conditions tied to a property,

673
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:28.119
while in others paranormal activity falls into a gray area. Sorry.

674
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.239
Notes that understanding local disco disclosure laws is key for

675
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.360
both buyers and sellers, especially when a home has a

676
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:41.960
well known reputation. Yeah yeah, sorry, adds that there's a

677
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.159
niche group of buyers who actively seek out haunted or

678
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.239
historically significant homes. I believe that one hundred percent.

679
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.079
I think it's interesting that they're combining the two haunted

680
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.960
and then historically significant, because like, I don't I don't

681
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.920
want a home that is actually significantly noticeably haunted, but

682
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.960
I'd like a homele that's historically significant.

683
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.079
I feel like those kind of go hand in hand

684
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:10.280
because even like I feel like all historically significant places

685
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.280
come with at least mild ghost stories.

686
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.719
I mean, my mom's last house was built into sixteen hundreds,

687
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.559
and they were pretty convinced that they did not have

688
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.360
any ghosts at all there.

689
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.400
And yet that place was a nightmare.

690
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.800
It was Yeah, yeah.

691
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.920
So I think it was haunted. Okay, maybe not, but well,

692
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.599
you know, the whole ghost story or haunted house story

693
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.039
thing became huge in the seventies and eighties because people

694
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.239
were we were having one of the biggest home buying

695
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.920
runs in America in American history. So people were like

696
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.519
full of anxiety about houses. Yeah, what if the walls bleed?

697
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.639
What if the foundation is cracked? What if? What if

698
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.360
a voice yells get out? What if the plumbing's bad?

699
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:56.559
Yeah?

700
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.559
Oh, what if the wiring is just a mess and

701
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.719
you find out because you decided to treat yourself to

702
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:01.440
a ceiling fan?

703
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.800
Yeah mm hmmah, I don't want.

704
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.880
To talk about it. So, uh, my house is wiring

705
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.119
is that's the sound of me knocking on wood is

706
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:14.239
surprisingly good.

707
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.199
I mean, based on when your house was built, as

708
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.840
long as they weren't using aluminum. But you're wiring, you're

709
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.000
you're fine, Like I mean, I mean you could end

710
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.559
up with like some like cloth covered stuff and maybe

711
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.280
some conduit not conduit the things and they go in

712
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.679
the place, doesn't matter. They're but like you're past like

713
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.559
knob and job and all that weird stuff.

714
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.800
So yeah, well, and my my, my electrician lives in

715
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.559
the house in this neighborhood, so he's like really familiar

716
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.079
with how to work with these places, although he does

717
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.599
recommend if I want to expand the house at all anymore,

718
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.960
as far as electricity that I should get like a

719
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.639
new thing, like a higher amperage. Yeah, yeah, I guess,

720
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.360
And that's going to be a few grand and so

721
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.039
I'm not going to be doing that anytime, so, but

722
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:03.400
it would be good. He said that the one in

723
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.920
there is pretty pretty low power. Yeah, it was probably

724
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.599
put in like this and like, oh wait, no, we

725
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.480
put it in. Yeah, my mother put it in when

726
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.960
we were finally getting a breaker box instead of a

727
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:15.800
fuse box.

728
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.000
Yeah. Wow, maybe you're wiring, isn't Okay, I didn't. I

729
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.840
didn't realize they still had fuses when you were having

730
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.119
when your house was around.

731
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.440
Oh yeah they did. Yeah, I remember, because we had

732
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.440
a box of fuses in the junk drawer for you

733
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:32.960
during thunderstorms and stuff.

734
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:33.840
Wow.

735
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:36.840
Okay, fine, pick on my damn house. You're mean.

736
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.760
Well now I'm like, now, I'm like, well, that's actually

737
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.719
pre all of that like aluminum stuff, because that was

738
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.559
in like the really scary breaker boxes and things. So

739
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.519
now I'm like, maybe you do have knock tube.

740
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.039
Maybe you do have all the bad wires, don't have

741
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.360
knob and tube. Okay, I know that.

742
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.000
I believe you.

743
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.639
You're mean, okayell, just try that you're just like, I

744
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.599
don't I want to see you not sleep at night

745
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:10.880
anymore from that. For them, the eerie factor is in

746
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.719
a drawback. It's part of the appeal. In some cases,

747
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.920
that uniqueness can even become a selling point, helping a

748
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:23.199
listed listing attract attention in a crowded market. M So,

749
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.480
how was a little bummed when you didn't buy a

750
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:27.119
haunted house?

751
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:28.280
I almost did.

752
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.320
Which one did you look at that was haunted?

753
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.239
There was a house in Sharon Hill that I loved.

754
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.840
It was a little tutor house sitting there in the ground,

755
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.400
and I was terrified of it. I went inside and

756
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.440
I felt very uncomfortable, and my thought was, I don't

757
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.519
know if i'd want to be here alone. I don't

758
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.519
know what that was. My sister also, because I I

759
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.960
just was, I kind of wrote it off and I

760
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.199
showed my mom and my sister, and my sister was like,

761
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:08.159
that house is really scary, Like, no, do not buy it.

762
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.519
I didn't end up buying it because it had a

763
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.519
shared driveway.

764
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.119
Oh no way, no way, that's way worse than a ghost.

765
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.760
Well, I mean, it's really bad and it's the only

766
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.239
thing I can confirm that it had but I loved

767
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.599
that house, except that I was really scared in there.

768
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.000
I should have bought it. Well, except the driveway. I

769
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.159
couldn't get over the driveway.

770
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.440
No, and I talked to the neighbor and they were like, oh,

771
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.360
you know, we switch our cars back and forth, like

772
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:35.960
if you got to go out at this time. I

773
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.480
was like no, no.

774
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.360
No, no, no, we have a whiteboard. Yeah, no, that's okay.

775
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.840
I'll just I'll park on the street.

776
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:48.519
I well, we're gonna take quick what the heck, We're

777
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.760
gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with

778
00:40:50.800 --> 00:41:02.039
even more spooky news after this shell. What say we

779
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.199
head to Scotland.

780
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:06.880
Yeah, so if you want to.

781
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.760
What do you have against Scotland? No?

782
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.119
Nothing. Apparently there are one of the few countries that

783
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.320
that isn't that thing a country? Yep, that's exact country.

784
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.400
That's exactly what I was going to say. They're not

785
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.360
anti Semitic, according to what the hell I was something in?

786
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:35.000
Okay, fair enough, Well this is going uh, this is

787
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:35.880
going way back.

788
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:36.519
Uh.

789
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.480
This from LiveScience dot com. Thirty three hundred year old

790
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.360
cremations found in Scotland suggest that people died in a

791
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:52.159
mysterious catastrophic event. M And I don't think they were jewsed,

792
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.760
so you're probably still right. Yeah, five earns holding cremated

793
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.760
remains from thety three hundred years ago have been discovered

794
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:07.360
in Scotland. Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three Sorry it

795
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.159
says it the same thing like, it's probably for seo.

796
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:10.800
It says it like five times.

797
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:11.559
That's not good.

798
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.159
Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three hundred year old cremated

799
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.639
remains of at least eight people who were buried in

800
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.679
five urns in Scotland. Burying eight people in five earn,

801
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.280
I mean, I guess that math is a little weird

802
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:23.480
to me.

803
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.679
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta share gurns.

804
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.440
Yeah, it's just it's a normal thing there.

805
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:29.360
Yeah.

806
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.280
While it's unknown how they died, it was likely during

807
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.679
some sort of catastrophic event. The finding is unusual because

808
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.599
although many Bronze Age burial spots in Scotland were reused

809
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.320
over the years, the newfound cremations tell a different story,

810
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.639
the researchers wrote in a new study published recently in

811
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.440
the Journal of Archaeological Reports Online. In this case, the

812
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.880
urns were tightly arranged, giving the impression of being buried

813
00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:01.079
collectively and then remaining undisturbed except for modern play modern

814
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.119
plow damage. The team wrote, I just realized I almost

815
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.079
never read the word plow.

816
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:06.840
Yeah.

817
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.840
The individuals were found in the remains of a barrow,

818
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.440
a burial mound made of earth and rocks. The urns

819
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.760
were in the center of the barrow in a three

820
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.800
foot wide burial pit, and were surrounded by a ring

821
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.159
of rocks. The archaeologist noted in the study. Organic materials

822
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.320
in the burial, including charcoal, enabled the team to radio

823
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.760
carbon date it to about fourteen thirty nine to twelve

824
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:30.880
eighty seven BC.

825
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.239
I mean that seems like that's a long time ago.

826
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:39.840
Maybe seems like it. Yeah, that's a little bit ago, Yeah,

827
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.679
a little while three of the urns each contained the

828
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.840
remains of an adult and a juvenile, while the other

829
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:53.880
two each contain only one adult. Oh, you know, we

830
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.960
don't want to say like, oh, it's sad they're alone or.

831
00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:00.159
No, because I don't know what the reason they're that

832
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.639
was with the juvenile. Maybe they didn't those people didn't,

833
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.000
I don't know.

834
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.239
Maybe it's proudly child free.

835
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.400
Yeah. Yeah, well, it's weird that you'd be buried with

836
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.679
your child, because that means your child died.

837
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.400
I think that's why they think it was a catastrophe.

838
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.519
Yeah, so that's why I didn't say, Oh, it's sad

839
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:20.320
that they're alone.

840
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.679
Okay, no, No, that's that's fair. No, you that's totally fair. Yeah,

841
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.360
you're like, why couldn't they bury you with the kid anyway?

842
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.639
I mean yeah, I mean got a respect. Yeah, like

843
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.119
in old India when they put the wives in the pyres.

844
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.519
The burial was found at twenty Shilling Hill, which is

845
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.880
near twenty Shilling Hill wind Farm in southwest Scotland. What

846
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.760
a coincidence. That's weird. During the excavations conducted in twenty

847
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.960
twenty and twenty twenty one while an access road to

848
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.079
the wind farm was being built. The excavations were conducted

849
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.039
by a team from Guard Archaeology, a company that undertakes

850
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:04.639
archaeological excit ovations during or before construction. Quote. The discovery

851
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.280
of five urns tightly packed together at the same time

852
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.519
in one mask burial event is very rare and distinguishes

853
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.760
the twenty Shilling barrow from the other barrows in Scotland,

854
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.079
the researcher wrote in the report. The team suspect these

855
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.920
eight individuals likely died around the same time during a

856
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.920
terrible event. It's unclear what that event was, but it

857
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.639
could have been famine, disease, or war. Roman Toolis, CEO

858
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:33.760
of Guard Technology, told Live Science or Live Science via email.

859
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.119
They suspect the individuals died around the same time because

860
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.480
the urns appear to have been made by the same

861
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.320
crafts person. Toulas said. Also, during that time, it was

862
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.480
common for deceased people in this region to be left

863
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.880
out long enough for their flesh to decompose before they

864
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.719
were cremated. In this instance, however, the team found that

865
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.960
the individuals still had some of their flesh when the

866
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.079
cremation was done.

867
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.480
Interesting. I guess it.

868
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.159
Indicates that they they were to be cremated in a hurry.

869
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.760
So what's your theory? You got a theory?

870
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.840
I think that the hurry thing. Maybe maybe it was

871
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.800
there was like a plate or something. I don't know

872
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:14.400
what you said.

873
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.239
Is it the holidays? Like they were like, I'll just

874
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.159
get this done real quick.

875
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.000
Yeah, yeah, I can't leave these out when people are

876
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:20.599
coming over.

877
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.840
Celebrating. Uh uh, you know the pre birth of Christ

878
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.719
or something. Oh yeah, before that Uh, these people would

879
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.679
have been farmers, Tulis said. He noted that they that

880
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.719
they likely lived near the burial spot, although their settlement

881
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.840
has not been found. This is quote an area of

882
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.760
Scotland where few such archaeological remains have so far been discovered,

883
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.119
so future research may reveal much more about the context

884
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:58.480
of this barrow. Toulis said, So weird new uh new,

885
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.960
Uh the new a burial site just dropped dog?

886
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:08.719
Yeah yeah, why not, right, I mean, I guess.

887
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.599
I mean, I will say, you know, being an American,

888
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.480
it is weird to hear like they found a like

889
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.440
three thousand, three hundred year old burial site when it's

890
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.559
like around here. Three hundred years is like whoa, yeah

891
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.280
that was forever ago. And then they say that it's like, oh,

892
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.559
I guess there was no written text from them, because

893
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:41.639
you know, people were still deeply illiterate, deeply huh truly illiterate. Well,

894
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.639
I mean there was no printing press.

895
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.599
Yeah, you don't need a printing press to read. There

896
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.480
were people who were reading before the printing press, yeah,

897
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.280
just doing handwritten books.

898
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.599
But it's harder because if there are less books, then

899
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.119
there's less impetus to learn to read because there's less

900
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:57.800
to read.

901
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.519
I mean, or I mean possibly nothing to read if

902
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.000
all the books are in you know, places that do

903
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.039
not have access.

904
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.559
To Yeah, I mean only the wealthy and powerful would

905
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.519
would generally be able to read. So that's one of

906
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.800
those things we take for granted in the modern era.

907
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.119
Yeah whatever, when we get back, we're going to talk

908
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:26.079
about a lighter, funeral, one with a little bit more

909
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:40.679
fun to it. Oh, right after this, so Shell, This

910
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.920
one is from upworthy dot com, which I hadn't heard

911
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.199
from upworthy in a while.

912
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:45.880
Me too.

913
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.559
I remember when they were awesome because all he posted

914
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.679
was like positive stuff, and then they started posting really

915
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.760
negative stuff. I stop reading them.

916
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.920
I didn't know that they did anything except for post

917
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:58.719
positive stuff.

918
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.800
They started posting like really negative stuff because I'd see

919
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.880
it go viral on social media and I'd be like,

920
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.400
I really loved when it was positive all the time.

921
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.599
Yeah.

922
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.920
So but this one, this headline caught my attention immediately.

923
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.480
It's from December twenty second, so it's very recent. Headline

924
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.679
is son writes wildly funny obituary for his dad and

925
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.679
the Internet is loving it. And then under it the

926
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.719
quote is he is God's problem now. So I thought

927
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.599
this was really charming and I wanted to share it.

928
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.639
The photo at the top is a guy probably our

929
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.159
age with his older dad, and his dad has a

930
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.880
cigarette in his hand and he's like, like making a

931
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.320
really awkward face. It's really funny. Obituaries mostly serve as

932
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.239
an acknowledgment of loss and celebration of the deceased person's life. However,

933
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.719
when Robert Adolph Boham whoe, Yeah, that's a choice of

934
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.280
middle names, Boham passed away, Oh oh, that's the dab. Yeah,

935
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.599
when he's that old, it's like Adol anyway, we're gonna

936
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.760
move on his son, Or when Charles Adolf Boham passed

937
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.480
away his son, Charles Boham chose to set aside the

938
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.440
usual somber tone of obituaries and write something more lighthearted

939
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:21.760
and memorable. Robert had recently passed away at the age

940
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.559
of seventy four after falling and hitting his head in

941
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.280
his Clarendon, Texas apartment. Since the forty one year old

942
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.719
Charles had never penned an obituary before he decided to

943
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.320
google some ideas and stumbled upon an old obituary for

944
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.800
Joe Heller on legacy Joe Heller a quote. Joe Heller

945
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.920
made his last undignified and largely irreverent gesture on September eighth,

946
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.519
twenty nineteen, signing off on a life, in his words,

947
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.480
generally well lived and with few regrets. The obituary for

948
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.320
Heller read per Washington Post, the quote when the doctors

949
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.639
confronted his daughter with the news last week that your

950
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.719
father is very a very sick man in Unison, they replied,

951
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:09.400
you have no idea. This inspired Charles to craft a

952
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.599
similarly unique obituary for his own father, as he too

953
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.880
was an eccentric character. HM, has anybody ever written you

954
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:19.559
an obituary?

955
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.760
I don't know. They haven't shared it with me. If

956
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.719
they have, maybe lots of people.

957
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.800
I suppose you'd have to die first, right.

958
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.320
I mean no, I mean someone who hates me might

959
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.079
write an obituary for me just to have it ready.

960
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.920
Oh yeah, but but why would they Why would they

961
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.639
want to like give an obituary if they didn't like you?

962
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:48.599
Maybe it's really mean mean, Okay, do you when it

963
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.639
comes to like major grief, how how much does does

964
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.480
humor play into your recovery?

965
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.920
It's honestly, I don't really know, probably not at all.

966
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.480
Yeah, yeah, I mean you like dark humor.

967
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.400
I do, but I don't know. I mean, there's I

968
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.480
haven't had an experience where I've recovered from grief, so

969
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.320
I'm not well.

970
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.760
Recovered is a strong word. Yeah, grief is a very

971
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:26.119
hard and very multifaceted thing. I think recovered is a

972
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.559
simplification of what you actually do. You know, you just

973
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.199
kind of grow around it and continue eventually to some

974
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:42.599
extent way to bring down the tone. Geez. Yeah, but no,

975
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.719
it's okay to not know. I just was curious. I know.

976
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.800
I go lean heavily into humor. I can't help it, Like,

977
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.119
I can't even help it at all. Like the moment

978
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.159
things are really dark is when my brain is like

979
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.599
make a joke, now, do it now? And I have

980
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.960
to be like, I don't even know if that's a

981
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.960
good idea. But when it's my own grief, I am reckless.

982
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.559
I make all the jokes that are offensive because I

983
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.800
don't care, because I'm the one struggling. So you don't

984
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.199
like it, I'll tell you quote that sounds like something

985
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.800
my dad would do. Charles told the Outlet he made

986
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.119
a lot of obscene gestures. As a result, the obituary

987
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.719
written by him looked something like this quote. Robert Adolph Boham,

988
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.719
in accordance with his lifelong dedication to his own personal

989
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.840
brand of decorum, muttered his last unintelligible and likely unnecessary

990
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.480
curse on October sixth, twenty twenty four, shortly before tripping

991
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.719
backward over some over quote, some stupid thing and hitting

992
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.840
his head on the floor. Robert was born in Winters, Texas,

993
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.079
to the late Walter Boham and Betty Smith on May sixth,

994
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.320
nineteen fifty, after which God immediately and thankfully broke the

995
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.639
mold and attempted to cover up the evidence. It's a

996
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.000
cute p sure of him with two dogs with his dogs.

997
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.960
The Sun included some funny anecdotes from his dad's life,

998
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.039
like the time Robert accidentally blew two holes in his

999
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:14.159
car's dashboard after a shooting practice session.

1000
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:15.079
Oh no.

1001
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.760
Robert was also a fashionable character, often spoiled, sporting trendy moccasins,

1002
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:26.079
unconventional hats, and bold mismatched colors in his shirts and pants.

1003
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:31.400
I feel attacked right now. I literally was wearing moccasins

1004
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.239
yesterday yeah, Oh, well, I was wearing a Santa hat,

1005
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:40.679
so I guess that's fashionable hat. Unconventional fashionable hat. Quote.

1006
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.320
We have all done our best to enjoy slash weather

1007
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.760
Robert's antics up to this point, but he is God's

1008
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.000
problem now. Charles wrote at the end of the obituary,

1009
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.920
inviting funeral attendees to wear whatever outdated or inappropriate attire

1010
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.880
they preferred. He sent the obituary to Robertson Funeral Directors,

1011
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.679
the Clarendon mortuary that was handling his dad's cremation. Chuck Robertson,

1012
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.000
the mortuary owner, started chuckling when he read the obituary.

1013
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.880
In his defense, he always chuckles when he reads obituaries

1014
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.559
because he's thinking about a boat. Yeah. No, I have

1015
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.679
no reason to hate on that guy.

1016
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.079
He's a nice guy. He just thinks that all obituaries

1017
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:20.440
are delightful and funny.

1018
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:29.320
They should be. Yeah, to an extent maybe maybe, No, No, no, okay, fine,

1019
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:34.760
geez he really shut that down quick. Huh no, no, no,

1020
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.639
now you're just straight gas lamping me.

1021
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:40.000
No, no, no, that's you.

1022
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.000
I'm just sounding crazy right now. Yeah, I love this

1023
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.920
because I feel like stuff like this can really show

1024
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.920
how much you love somebody to like play it up

1025
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:56.440
in a different way than one might expect. Yeah, this

1026
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.800
is the kind of thing that makes me. It makes

1027
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.880
me happy to be a human. I feel like that's

1028
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.280
a special thing we have humor, you know, to be

1029
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.800
able to share a release of all that stress and

1030
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:14.039
strain and pain. Yeah, And there's something special about when

1031
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.719
you make somebody laugh, like that moment that you just

1032
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.079
like because you can't really most humor is hard to

1033
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.320
put your thumb on why it's funny. It just is.

1034
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.079
And a lot of times you can make people laugh

1035
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.000
really hard if you know them, because knowing them really

1036
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.679
allows you to get a I don't know. Yeah, just

1037
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.880
there's something just beautifully human about about that kind of thing.

1038
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:37.519
Yeah.

1039
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.119
That's just my personal opinion. And we're going to continue

1040
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.920
reading about this because this is a piece not only

1041
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.800
about that specific obituary, but also how humor helps people

1042
00:56:46.920 --> 00:57:01.960
handle grief. Right after this, continuing the article, humor often

1043
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.280
helps people navigate the emotional weight of loss and connect

1044
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.599
with memories in ways that feel comforting rather than overwhelming.

1045
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.840
A twenty twenty four qualitative study published in Omega Journal

1046
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.400
of Death and Dying, which is where I go to

1047
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.480
read funny information.

1048
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:17.440
Yeah.

1049
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.159
Found that humor can play a dual emotional role in bereavement.

1050
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.400
For many people, it can evoke intense memories and waves

1051
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.679
of grief, but for most it also serves as a

1052
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.000
way to manage or live with their grief by bringing

1053
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.840
moments of relief and connection. That's basically what I said.

1054
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.719
It is basically what you said.

1055
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.760
Yeah, just put better.

1056
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:41.760
I like the way you put it.

1057
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:47.039
Oh you. Participants in the study described how laughing about

1058
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.440
funny memories or sharing humor with others help them feel

1059
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.639
more grounded and less overwhelmed during the grieving process. These

1060
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.519
findings show that while humor can sometimes trigger sadness, it

1061
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.480
also helps some mourners hope and find emotional balance as

1062
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:08.239
they heal. Yeah, Shell's like, No, it doesn't do that.

1063
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.159
I mean, if that's what you want, I guess.

1064
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.079
If that's what you want, if you want more emotional

1065
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.440
balance and relief than.

1066
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.599
Fine, I mean it didn't sound like what I was

1067
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.159
gonna I was trying for.

1068
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.440
But sure sounds pretty lame to me.

1069
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.360
Yeah.

1070
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.519
Robertson shared Boham's note on the Mortuaries Facebook page, where

1071
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.920
it reached a wider audience. Charles further told the news

1072
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.280
outlet that his father was a jolly fellow, but he

1073
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.079
had struggled after the death of his wife, Diane in

1074
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.840
February of twenty twenty four. Quote. When I tried to

1075
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.559
get him some mental health help, he admitted to me

1076
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.960
he was scared and wanted me there with him, He revealed.

1077
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.199
Are you are you mad that he saw it mental

1078
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.719
health help? You're like, just tough it out. You're yeah,

1079
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.280
damn it.

1080
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.159
Yeah, you don't need help, and you certainly don't need

1081
00:58:58.159 --> 00:58:59.920
your son with you to have help.

1082
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:04.639
Nothing. You know, there's nothing quite as good as a

1083
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.199
Michelle scold. Let me tell you something, man, you would

1084
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.519
be my favorite professional wrestler, because that's how what when

1085
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.119
professional wrestlers cut, they call him promos when they start

1086
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.039
talking to the camerao. Let me tell you something. When

1087
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:18.639
it comes down to the blah blah blah blahlah, you

1088
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.800
would be amazing at that because when you dressed down,

1089
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.320
it is very amusing to me.

1090
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.440
Thanks.

1091
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.480
I mean that a positive way. Thanks, okay, fine, whatever

1092
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.800
You're mean to me, and nobody believes it. Quote. We

1093
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.280
all visited him when we could, and the good people

1094
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.800
at Clarendon looked in on him and helped him out

1095
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.119
a lot, but it was hard for him looking at

1096
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.280
my mom's empty chair and I'm six hundred miles away.

1097
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:45.440
Oh that's rough.

1098
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:46.039
Fuck?

1099
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.320
Are you okay? That hurt? That hit me too, Like

1100
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:51.840
realized he was far.

1101
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.199
Away, him being scared and wanting his son to be

1102
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.519
there like that, all of that is just like oh god, okay.

1103
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.199
Yeah, no, it just hit me harder when I I

1104
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.800
didn't realize there was distance too, right, right, because you know,

1105
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.440
if you had been if you had been forty five

1106
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.400
minutes away, it's like that's still a lot. But when

1107
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.360
it's like you're six I mean, I know you're six

1108
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.159
hundred miles from me, give and take, Like I know

1109
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.679
how far that is. Yeah, can't just you know, decide

1110
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.360
on Tuesday morning and I'll just swing by for dinner. Yeah,

1111
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.159
although I will do that to you sometime, just for

1112
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.000
the walls. So make sure you make that that weird

1113
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.679
uh fermented soybean sticky stuff. Okay, I liked it, I

1114
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:31.599
actually really did. I've thought about it since then.

1115
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.760
Oh good, I have thought about it in London. Am

1116
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.239
I should I ever eat that again? Because it preceded

1117
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.840
all the really terrible things.

1118
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.119
I think it's better to just think it was me.

1119
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.719
Okay, I think it's the not though, but that's okay.

1120
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:46.559
Do you think it was not though and not the

1121
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:47.119
hot pot?

1122
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.920
No, I actually don't know. It wasn't hot It wasn't

1123
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.559
the hot pot because that was the day before. But oh,

1124
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.079
I mean, honestly, who knows. I don't.

1125
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.320
I mean I think that over you know, uh, just

1126
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.400
eating more than you're used to because you eat a

1127
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.159
very you don't eat a lot could have just triggered it.

1128
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.079
My doctor thinks that I got that that it was

1129
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.880
food poisoning and then it just messed up my system.

1130
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.199
Yeah, which would be wild because it hot pot. It's

1131
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.320
not like you were scarfing down beef for anything.

1132
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.519
You Yeah.

1133
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.599
Yeah, I'm impressed you would get food poisoning at all

1134
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.920
because you eat your vegetarian and stuff.

1135
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.920
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't get food poisoning.

1136
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.480
I know, I just I always imagine people get food

1137
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.320
poisoning from meat, mostly poultry, but meat.

1138
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.559
Did did you hear about all the lasteria outbreaks that

1139
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.119
are like lettuce or spinach or something.

1140
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.679
That is true? That's a that's a very fair point. Yeah,

1141
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.280
thank god, I don't eat lettuce m all right. Back

1142
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.719
to the sad suite. Robert worked various jobs to support

1143
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.920
his family before eventually settling into a career as a

1144
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.039
truck driver. Okay, I could see that fitting his personality

1145
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:04.039
from what we given. Truck drivers are often very very

1146
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:09.199
different people like, they're very you know, individual people. Have

1147
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:10.599
you ever been friends with a truck driver?

1148
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:12.960
No, I've met one too late.

1149
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.280
You already are because you have there. You're talking to

1150
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:18.599
them right now. Oh Hi, we have truck driver listeners.

1151
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:19.360
They write in.

1152
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.880
That's cool because I like truck drivers and I look

1153
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.119
at them when I drive past them to see who

1154
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:25.760
they are, and then.

1155
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.719
They also look at best so they don't hit me.

1156
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.840
Do you ever do the thing where you ask them

1157
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:31.519
to honk the horn?

1158
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:31.920
No?

1159
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.119
I feel like that that's unnecessary and I don't want

1160
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:35.039
to bother them.

1161
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.599
If I was a truck driver, which I almost was.

1162
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:39.880
If I was a truck driver, I would be like,

1163
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:41.920
I'd be so sad when people don't ask me, no,

1164
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:42.639
honk horn.

1165
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.599
I guess I could ask them, but I just feel

1166
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:46.639
like I don't want to.

1167
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:49.960
I don't want to you know, all you're doing is

1168
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.159
saying like trucks are awesome. Do the thing. M I

1169
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:57.559
guess so, but uh. Quote for a while, my parents

1170
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:01.280
were Oh my god, my heart. My parents were team drivers,

1171
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.480
and for at least a year or two I actually

1172
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.480
lived on the truck with them. Oh wow, the son mentioned,

1173
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.880
do you know what team drivers are like?

1174
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.159
They would drive together.

1175
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.840
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of truck trucking companies will let

1176
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.000
you bring somebody if you want.

1177
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:16.239
That's nice.

1178
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.360
Yeah. So a lot of couples will do it like

1179
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.880
later in life and stuff, but they only pay one

1180
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:27.360
of you. Quote. I got to see a lot of stuff.

1181
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.639
I read hundreds of books and learned how to sleep

1182
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:33.599
in a car anywhere in the lower forty eight. Charles

1183
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.280
family and friends posted pictures of Robert on the Dignity

1184
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.719
Memorial site too. Quote. I'd have to say, if I

1185
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:42.360
want anything to come from all this, it's for people

1186
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.159
elsewhere to support the mental health of people in their

1187
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.559
little rural towns. He said. They go there entire, they

1188
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.159
go there to retire, then when they're old, their kids

1189
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.920
scatter and they end up alone. A lot of people

1190
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.639
slip through the cracks. There are people all over the

1191
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.559
country like my dad, and we need to look up,

1192
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.960
look out, look after them. Sorry, got a little emotional.

1193
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.519
It's okay. Also, that's why you should never move away

1194
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.639
from your family ever ever.

1195
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.039
And why you should have children so that you know,

1196
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.800
so that you'll have them to take care of you.

1197
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:17.840
Oh no, I don't care about the part. I just

1198
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.079
care about the part where I make sure that people

1199
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.039
are okay. I don't care if anyone make sure I'm okay.

1200
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.719
Okay, as long as you kept you make that very clear.

1201
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.880
I have made that very clear.

1202
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:36.199
Okay, okay. Gosh, jeez, you're you're in a mood. Don't

1203
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:36.880
deny it now.

1204
01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:38.440
No, it's too late.

1205
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:44.880
Oh well, we're gonna shift the tone. I actually really

1206
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.159
enjoyed that story though. It was very very heartfelt. But

1207
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.880
when we get back, we're gonna go overseas for some

1208
01:04:51.960 --> 01:05:04.159
more strange discoveries and a whole lot more right after this, well, Shell,

1209
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.480
you enjoyed our trip to Scotland vaguely. But how about

1210
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.199
Popou New Guinea, New Guinea. What I was so focused

1211
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.800
on saying PopOut right that I said Guinea wrong. That's okay,

1212
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:23.280
PopOut New Guinea. Yeah, fine, this is from news dot

1213
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:28.320
com dot au. Missing R AAF Ufort bomber from World

1214
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:31.920
War Two found in Popaut, New Guinea after eighty two years.

1215
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:34.920
Yay, we found another plane.

1216
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.039
We did it. After more than eight decades, the mystery

1217
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.079
of a missing World War two aircraft and its Australian

1218
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.000
crew has finally been resolved or been solved, with wreckage

1219
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:50.280
discovered in Papau, New Guinea confirmed as the downed aircraft. Yay,

1220
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.599
the wreckage of the World War two Bufort bomber. That

1221
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.079
sounds like a sandwich that you get it like a

1222
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.440
fast foodressaurant. But I'd take two Bufort bombers please.

1223
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.000
Yeah.

1224
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:07.119
I it's because the big Buford at rallies. Ah, my

1225
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:12.039
my stomach is like feed me or from R AAF

1226
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.440
squad A number one hundred Squadron was found in the

1227
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.639
rugged Banning Mountains on New Britain Island, confirming where the

1228
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.920
aircraft and its four Royal Australian Air Force crew came

1229
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:25.239
to rest after vanishing during a combat mission in December

1230
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:26.360
of nineteen forty three.

1231
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:27.440
Okay.

1232
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.880
The aircraft, the Beaufort A nine two one one, failed

1233
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.719
to return from a nighttime operation targeting enemy positions at

1234
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:42.039
Reball Rabul Rabewel, I'm awful On December fourteenth, nineteen forty

1235
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.480
three WOW. Other crews flying that night reported severe weather

1236
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.599
and when A nine to two one one did not

1237
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.960
make it back to base, it was declared Missing on

1238
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.800
board were pilot Flight Sergeant John Ardley Kenny, navigator, Flight

1239
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.440
Sergeant Arthur John Davies, and wireless operation gunner's flight Sergeants

1240
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:07.559
Thomas Burrows and Murray Fairbane Fairbarn. For eighty two years,

1241
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:09.960
their families had no closure about the fate of their

1242
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:14.159
loved ones. Our AAF Director General of History and Heritage

1243
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:18.519
Robert Lawson said the discovery marked a solemn milestone. Quote,

1244
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.679
we pay our respects to the crew of the Beaufort

1245
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.119
eight eight. I keep laughing at Beaufort that's so terrible,

1246
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.920
A nine to two one one who made the ultimate

1247
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:33.400
sacrifice in defense of Australia Air Commodore laws, and said

1248
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.639
the identification of this aircraft is significant and offers an

1249
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:41.840
opportunity to provide closure to families. Post war searches conducted

1250
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.159
by the RAAF and Popau New Guinea failed to locate

1251
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.320
the aircraft and the four airmen were eventually presumed killed

1252
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:51.199
in action. So they had searched Papau, New Guinea to

1253
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.760
begin with, yeah, which which makes me wonder how much

1254
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:56.679
did they really look that hard or was it near

1255
01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:58.400
the holidays again and they were like, I got.

1256
01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.920
So much to do, Yeah, we gotta go come on

1257
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:00.920
very searching.

1258
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:04.639
That's gonna be the new go to. It's like, ah,

1259
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.039
but it was around the holidays, you know, just so

1260
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.239
much to do. I caught myself doing that, like I'd

1261
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.199
be like, I need to go pick up like my

1262
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.239
prescription at the drive through, like ah, but it's like

1263
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.680
almost Christmas, and I'd be like, dude, just it's the

1264
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:20.479
twenty third, just go get your prescription. Yeah, it's still Monday.

1265
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.439
The breakthrough came decades later. In twenty twenty one, photographs

1266
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.960
of wreckage believed to belong to World War Two aircraft

1267
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.680
were provided to the Historical Unrecovered War Casualties Air Force Division.

1268
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:39.920
Detailed analysis, including images showing a bufort control yoke, confirmed

1269
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:43.479
the remains were from an r AAF Bufort aircraft. Further

1270
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.319
research narrowed the wreckage down to one of three buforts

1271
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:48.840
lost in the New Britain region during the same period.

1272
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.640
In October. How they lost a lot of them. I guess,

1273
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:57.720
I mean it was war. Yeah, yeah, I suppose yeah.

1274
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:00.640
In October of this year, an Air Force investigation team

1275
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.600
traveled to the remote site, joined by specialist personnel and

1276
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.720
a field officer from the National Museum and Art Gallery

1277
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:10.720
of PNG. The operation relied heavily on assistance from a

1278
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.800
local expedition company in nearby villages to access the difficult terrain.

1279
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.600
The aircraft was ultimately identified after investigators located manufacturer's plates

1280
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.239
at the crash site. Investigation team leader and HUWCAF director

1281
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:26.880
Grant Kelly said the wreckage was scattered across more than

1282
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.479
two hundred square meters, lying in dense vegetation on a

1283
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.000
steep mountain side near the summit. That would explain why

1284
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.600
it would be really hard to find.

1285
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:38.079
Quote.

1286
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:42.000
Discovering the manufacturer's plates enabled us to confirm which aircraft

1287
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.600
it was and more importantly, identify the crew members who

1288
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.079
had been on board. Captain Kelly said the investigators also

1289
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:54.039
found aircraft controls and instrumentation, armament components including machine gun ammunition,

1290
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.640
and parts of parachute harnesses. A systematic search was carried

1291
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.479
out for human remains in person effects, with a small

1292
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:06.159
amount of fragmented material requiring further analysis to determine its origin.

1293
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.920
No additional activity is planned at the site. The families

1294
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.000
of the four crew members have now been formally notified

1295
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:17.079
and early discussions are underway regarding commemorative activities to honor

1296
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:22.720
their service and sacrifice. Yay, I just find it fascinating,

1297
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.760
how like in a world where we have, you know,

1298
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.279
I don't even know how many hundreds of satellites in

1299
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:32.359
the sky and drone technology that can literally be like

1300
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:33.880
I don't want to run into a wall. I'm going

1301
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.880
to stop myself. But we're still finding things that are lost.

1302
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.319
I find that really like grabs my imagination.

1303
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.640
Yeah, I mean, and it's happening all the time. There

1304
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.279
are some like organizations that just go and look for

1305
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.359
like you know, planes and stuff that were down in

1306
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.479
the world wars and any war. Yeah, then find them

1307
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:56.119
all the time.

1308
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:57.680
Basically it's wild.

1309
01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.840
Yeah, a lot of them are under the water.

1310
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.800
It's still sure. Well the ocean is a whole other

1311
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:03.640
bag of worms.

1312
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:05.920
Yeah, but that's fun because then you can use your

1313
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:11.039
that thing that goes Yeah, there's like a little guy

1314
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.359
and he goes in the water and he like shoots down.

1315
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.840
Like sonar something like that.

1316
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:24.159
Yeah, yeah, like ground penetrating radar, except underwater, so sonar

1317
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.840
maybe present. And then they like get the little guy

1318
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:29.960
and they bring him back in the boat and then

1319
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.319
they go over all the data and they go and

1320
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:34.119
they search and they find them.

1321
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.319
I think it's really fascinating.

1322
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:38.119
Yeah.

1323
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.000
I listened to a podcast about treasure hunting once and

1324
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:43.840
I was fascinated by how much effort goes in, how

1325
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:48.039
expensive it is, and how secretive it has to be

1326
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.439
because a lot of the nations that lost chips way

1327
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.680
back when full of gold and stuff, they're not doing

1328
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.840
so good now, like Spain and Italy and stuff like

1329
01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:00.680
that financially. So if word leaks before you you've discovered it,

1330
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.960
they'll try to take it from you by claiming a

1331
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.920
bunch of bear time law. Okay, yeah, and then you

1332
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.159
don't get anything after you just spent like forty five

1333
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.479
million dollars trying to get this shipwreck up, So you

1334
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:16.159
have to be like really secretive. That makes sense, as

1335
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:21.640
my grandpa would say, lousy Spain anyway, on that. On that.

1336
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.079
Now we're going to take a quick break, but when

1337
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:28.119
we get back tell we're heading to your backyard. Really,

1338
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:34.800
you're here, I mean, I'm here right now. But it

1339
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.319
turns out there have been some interesting sightings not far

1340
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:42.319
from you on the Pennsylvania Turnpike or not Pennsylvan Turnpike sorry,

1341
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.239
a Pennsylvania interstate. Okay, so it's a little ways from you,

1342
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.520
but still but we'll talk about that when we get back.

1343
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:09.479
We're back and heading to Pennsylvania for a story from WJACTV.

1344
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:18.199
The headline is potential Sasquatch Sighting Organization says bigfoot reported

1345
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.840
alongside PA interstate and they're talking about Interstate eighty, which,

1346
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.600
by the way, I have driven the entirety of Interstate

1347
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.239
eighty easily twenty times or more.

1348
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.840
And you haven't seen bigfoot.

1349
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:38.520
Not recently, okay, but no, really, Like, because I lived

1350
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.600
in North Jersey, that was the way to go home,

1351
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:43.920
that was fastest, So I really probably have driven at

1352
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:47.720
thirty maybe even thirty times. Wow, Because like when I

1353
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.359
go to Jersey and then like when I go out

1354
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:50.880
to Jersey to see friends and then I come down

1355
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.600
to see you, I'll take eighty to get up there.

1356
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.279
Because it's also not a toll road, right, which is nice.

1357
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.199
But then when I come and see you, I take

1358
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:01.079
the turnpike home because you know it's way. It's like

1359
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.159
I did the math, and it saves you like forty

1360
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.319
five minutes, so it's kind of worth the obscene amount

1361
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:06.760
of tolls.

1362
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.000
I guess, yeah, I guess.

1363
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:16.880
Anyway, Center County, Pennsylvania. It has eluded people for years,

1364
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:20.000
but now one organization says bigfoot. Maybe it may have

1365
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:23.720
been seen in central Pennsylvania. I mean, one of the

1366
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.560
few things I've ever seen in central Pennsylvania. Yeah, other

1367
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.079
than a sheets.

1368
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.560
Yeah.

1369
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.760
I love Pa. There's a lot of trees. I love Pa.

1370
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.479
But there is not a lot between Pittsburgh and Philly.

1371
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:37.880
No, not really.

1372
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.520
I mean that's there's some beautiful country and stuff, but

1373
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.920
I mean there's just not a ton other than State College, Yeah,

1374
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.760
which was put in the middle like to appease everybody basically,

1375
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:53.760
which was nice. That's nice, I guess. Bigfoot Field Researchers

1376
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:57.880
organization the BFRO, issued a report online claiming someone saw

1377
01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:01.720
a sasquatch along the side of Interstate eight in Center County,

1378
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:05.600
about twenty miles from State College in October. There we Go,

1379
01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.800
The organization said a man reported seeing the creature while driving.

1380
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.319
He told BFRO investigators that it almost got hit by

1381
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.520
a vehicle in front of him. At first, he said

1382
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.640
he thought it was a person because it was standing

1383
01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:23.520
on two legs, but that when he got closer he

1384
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.560
saw a dark figure upright and human like in appearance.

1385
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.800
The witness said the creature moved faster and was able

1386
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:36.159
to cross a guardrail with no issues, he said witnesses.

1387
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.199
He said, a witness who almost hit the creature described

1388
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:43.439
it like this quote. It was tall and uniformly dark,

1389
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:45.960
but he could not say if it was black or

1390
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.479
a dark brown. Given the distance from and speed of

1391
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:51.680
the figure, he didn't see any indication of clothing on

1392
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.520
the figure. He also said that the figure was thin

1393
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.279
and slender, that it did not match the stereotypical profile

1394
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:03.800
of a large and muscular bigfoot. So always body shaming bigfoot.

1395
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.079
Yeah, I think it was a guy.

1396
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:10.920
You just think it was a really big guy. Just

1397
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:16.960
some guy, just like a normal dude. Yeah huh. Now

1398
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:18.880
when it comes to bigfoot, do you have a lot

1399
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:21.760
of personal theories? No?

1400
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:26.119
I don't. I don't think it's polite.

1401
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.399
What I don't think it's polite?

1402
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:36.640
No, I don't really believe in Bigfoot ouch, except if

1403
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.800
he's an inter dimensional being, then maybe I believe in him.

1404
01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.439
There's a lot of the Bigfoot stuff that's hard to

1405
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.159
to I mean, like it would be hard, like how

1406
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:48.680
would you never find a body?

1407
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.399
You know, things like that My big problem, like problem. Yeah,

1408
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.000
It's like, even if big Feets had their own burial

1409
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.960
rituals and stuff like that and they always like very

1410
01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.039
there's still going to be big feats that just die

1411
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.199
in the wild, you know, far away from home, and

1412
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:07.640
nobody knows what happened to them.

1413
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.479
Over the course of one hundred years. Yeah.

1414
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.319
Yeah, you know you think that someone would find a

1415
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:13.319
body at some point.

1416
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:17.640
Yeah, yeah, I will say that's been the hard thing

1417
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.680
with like a lot of these things like lockness monsters

1418
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:25.560
and like champlaining monsters and stuff, is unless it's literally

1419
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:30.600
a being that just never dies and just does its thing, Yeah,

1420
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:33.000
it's very hard for it to be something that actually

1421
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:35.359
exists in the natural world exactly.

1422
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:39.279
I mean, if it if it does exist in multiple

1423
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:46.199
dimensions and maybe it just comes here for vacation. Maybe maybe,

1424
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:48.159
but I'm not still I'm not really sure.

1425
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:51.119
What if it's a tunnel system. I've heard I've heard

1426
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.279
that theory. I'm pretty sure that the Bigfoots live in

1427
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:54.720
tunnel systems.

1428
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:59.840
I mean, if if they live in this reality, we

1429
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.000
still find a body eventually.

1430
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.279
Well, and I'll say this, when I first heard the

1431
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.520
tunnel system concept, I was like, ah, then it makes

1432
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:08.600
perfect sense that they'd all be seven to eight to

1433
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:11.680
nine feet tall and muscular if they've been living in

1434
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:13.399
tunnels for like one hundreds of years now.

1435
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:17.039
Yeah, but they're big tunnels.

1436
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:17.680
Yeah, big foot tunnels.

1437
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.640
And also they have to build the tunnels, so that's

1438
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.800
why they're muscular, because they're always like, you know, doing

1439
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:24.800
tunnel things.

1440
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:26.640
Well, for the record, there are people who believe that

1441
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.760
they are just an immense amount of tunnels that just exist.

1442
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.079
Well, there are an immense amount of tunnels that just exists.

1443
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:34.960
Oh so now Michelle is on their side. That was

1444
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:35.720
very quick.

1445
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.560
I mean, I mean there are that the world is weird.

1446
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.199
You heard it here first. Chell says one hundred percent

1447
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:50.319
proof of Bigfoot. No, I'm just saying. The witness also

1448
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.199
said the legs and arms were longer, with the arms

1449
01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:57.159
extended downwards below the waistline as it crossed. He said

1450
01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:59.319
the frame of the limbs were not proportional to a

1451
01:18:59.399 --> 01:18:59.960
human person.

1452
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:02.479
It's a poor, messed up person.

1453
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.840
The BFRO also wrote in its report that the witness

1454
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:10.079
did not remember seeing a neck on the creature and

1455
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.560
only saw a side profile of its face. The witness

1456
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.720
said he wasn't sure if the creature either didn't have

1457
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.000
a neck or if it was just due to having

1458
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:18.880
long hair.

1459
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:22.399
I think this is a person.

1460
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.920
Hey, my hair doesn't always cover my neck.

1461
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.760
It would if your side profile.

1462
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:37.000
Though, she's right quote. The witness tried to explain away

1463
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:39.319
the figure as a person, but said that he was

1464
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.840
the way He but said that he was the ways

1465
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.680
app on his truck. I think he has the ways

1466
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:50.760
app on his truck. And there were no disabled vehicle

1467
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.359
reports for either side of the road, nor were any

1468
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.439
disabled vehicles seen on that stretch of highway. Who the

1469
01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:58.560
fuck cares ouch?

1470
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.720
I'm sorry, Like you don't think that people exist without

1471
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.560
disabled vehicles that have been reported on the ways app?

1472
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.279
What the fuck do you use the ways app? It's

1473
01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:07.960
pretty good.

1474
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:09.600
I don't use the ways app.

1475
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.000
It's just it's pretty good.

1476
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:14.000
It was bought by Google. It's basically the same thing.

1477
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:20.439
Equally, the witness could not explain why there would be

1478
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.960
an individual in uniformly dark clothing crossing a highway in

1479
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.960
front of vehicles going eighty miles an hour. Oh. He's

1480
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.600
also adamant that he knows what he saw as it

1481
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.880
was broad daylight and his eyes were not playing tricks

1482
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:38.000
on him. Okay, does that make you wonder if eyes

1483
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:38.840
are playing tricks on him?

1484
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.520
Because he said that, Yeah, now that he brought it up,

1485
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:43.720
I'm pretty sure there wasn't even in anything.

1486
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:46.199
And he's pretty sure he wasn't even out of his

1487
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:46.840
house that day.

1488
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:48.560
Yeah, he was just like, oh, yeah, I was on

1489
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:50.359
the I was on the interstate, and everyone's like, you

1490
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:53.880
didn't even you didn't you haven't even gone out weeks.

1491
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:57.279
Oh, but here comes a trump card for you. The

1492
01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.319
BFRO investigator who took the report said he believe the

1493
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:04.560
witness to be a credible source, so trust me, Bro.

1494
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:08.399
He also said that the witness was a bear hunter

1495
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:10.720
and that he would know the difference of what he

1496
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:11.399
was looking at.

1497
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:15.680
Okay, so he probably would know that it wasn't a bear.

1498
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:17.640
I still think it was a guy.

1499
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.760
The investigator, who has been on multiple hunts for Bigfoot

1500
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:25.279
in the past, said, based on the information shared by

1501
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:28.800
the witness. He believes that there was a credible bigfoot siding.

1502
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:32.039
According to bfro's website, there have been also been reported

1503
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.239
sightings of Bigfoot in Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, and Missouri. In

1504
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:39.399
twenty twenty five, the report in Missouri claimed to have

1505
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:40.960
been caught on a trail camera.

1506
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:43.119
Oh okay, I don't care.

1507
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:47.920
CBS Wow, CBS twenty we're so hateful today, CBS twenty one.

1508
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.279
What was that?

1509
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:51.680
I really don't like bigfoot?

1510
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.680
You heard it here first. That's gonna be the next

1511
01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.800
T shirt say I don't like Bigfoot and bigfoot crying

1512
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.279
in the background. CBS twenty one reached out to the

1513
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.680
BFRO to ask how it substantiates these reports. One of

1514
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:08.600
the directors of the organization said they have a multi

1515
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:14.479
layered system for determining if a sighting is actually bigfoot. Yeah,

1516
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.760
that sounds a little bit weird, he said. First, they

1517
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:19.800
ask people to report what they saw in an online form.

1518
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.279
Then they will call them call the person to see

1519
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.960
how much of the information matches up with that report.

1520
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:29.319
Then they take several steps from there. Sometimes it involves

1521
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.319
going to the area where the bigfoot was seen to

1522
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.720
document the region. He said, the group has different classifications

1523
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.479
of bigfoot sightings based on how much visual and audio

1524
01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:39.159
evidence is available.

1525
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.239
They know that when they call the person, the person

1526
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.199
could look at what they wrote in the online form

1527
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.119
to make sure if matches up right.

1528
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:51.399
We have a very high opinion of the intelligence of

1529
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:53.199
people reporting sightings of bigfoot.

1530
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:54.800
I do.

1531
01:22:55.000 --> 01:23:00.640
Actually, the BFRO also does expeditions in certain parts the country,

1532
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:04.039
including Pennsylvania.

1533
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.600
C Yeah.

1534
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:11.239
Wow, this one made Shell mad. I feel like cryptids

1535
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:12.720
always put you in a mood.

1536
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:17.159
I don't know. It's not all cryptids. I like some cryptids.

1537
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.039
Mm hmmm, So.

1538
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.880
I don't know. Man, doesn't sound like you do.

1539
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.520
I like the Fresno night Crawler.

1540
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.119
But oh yeah, you did like that?

1541
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:31.600
Yeah, I like that guy.

1542
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:33.760
Well, we're going to take a break and when we

1543
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.399
get back, we won't talk about cryptids at least for

1544
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:49.119
a little while. So stick around, okay, Shell, We're heading

1545
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.039
to Kansas City.

1546
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.479
Kansas City in Kansas.

1547
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:02.920
Well, that's the thing I want you to guess based

1548
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:07.319
on the headline. Okay, So for those who aren't in

1549
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:08.960
the know, I didn't know if you were going to

1550
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:11.359
be all about that. Yeah, it's Casey K. Or kc MO.

1551
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.840
That's the saying when people say I'm from Kansas City,

1552
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:15.880
KCK or case MO.

1553
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:16.880
Yeah.

1554
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.439
So historic Kansas City Jazz Bar claims to be haunted. Quote,

1555
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:27.079
I know they're there. This is from KCTV five dot com.

1556
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:31.199
So is it CASEYK or case MO.

1557
01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:33.520
I'm gonna say it's Missouri.

1558
01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:42.319
You're correct, Yay, Yeah, I don't have any sound effects.

1559
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:47.319
That's okay, Kansas City, Missouri. At Kansas City Bar claims

1560
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:50.479
to be haunted, but in an age of viral ghost videos,

1561
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:56.359
determining what's real presents a challenge. The Phoenix Jazz Bar,

1562
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.840
one of the oldest and most popular establishments in Kansas City,

1563
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:05.000
has become the subject of paranormal investigation. Ashley Dumas, a

1564
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:08.960
bartender at the Phoenix, said she has experienced unexplained phenomena

1565
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.800
while working. Quote, there's been little signs here and there.

1566
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.800
Dumas said, we have glasses that will get knocked over

1567
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.600
back here. We do have a one We do have

1568
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.720
a one particular bar chair that kind of moves around

1569
01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:28.359
and does its own thing. What kind of thing I

1570
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.640
maybe we'll find out, but probably not. Server Ashley Renee

1571
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.079
said she felt the presence of Madame Laws, a historical

1572
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.000
figure connected to the building. Quote. So Madame Laws I

1573
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:43.680
feel the most here. She likes to hang around in

1574
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.600
the mornings. Renee said, she's the one that likes to

1575
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:53.479
move things. You seem nonplussed.

1576
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.359
I mean, I don't even know who that is, and

1577
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.479
I don't also don't know why we think it's her.

1578
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.560
Maybe Madame Laws in life like to move things.

1579
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:06.159
Oh, I mean it's possible. Maybe that was like her thing.

1580
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:08.159
Everyone was like, what are you doing? And she was like,

1581
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:08.920
I'm moving.

1582
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:17.720
Stuff things, Yeah, moving things. Let's see. Frank Valerius opened

1583
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:21.000
the Valerius Saloon in nineteen oh five, the first bar

1584
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:25.760
in what was then the Phoenix Hotel. Upstairs, Madam Lena

1585
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:31.760
Laws rented rooms, though rumors suggest guests weren't exactly sleeping.

1586
01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:34.680
I've been waiting for that too.

1587
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.479
I was like, well for it to be a what

1588
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.159
a prostitute thing?

1589
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.840
Yeah, because it all it just always is get.

1590
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.199
Your mind out of the gutter for once in your life.

1591
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.560
I'm sorry too much, anime, that's what it's done to you.

1592
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:49.880
No.

1593
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.039
Duma said she has seen a figure she believes to

1594
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:58.600
be Valerious Valerius. Yeah, that's how you say it? Valuous quote.

1595
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:00.680
I looked over when I was cleaning the dishes, and

1596
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:03.319
I see this figure like a man. Come to find

1597
01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:07.199
out it was Valuous Valerious. That's the weird name. It's

1598
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:11.560
v A L E R I U S Valuious. I guess, Yeah,

1599
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.199
who used to own the bar? Dumas said Becky. Ray

1600
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.840
founded Paranormal Activity Investigations and her team investigated the Phoenix

1601
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.720
in June. Quote. The history of this place and the

1602
01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:26.239
whole building is just really amazing, and for there not

1603
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.239
to be any activity here would be surprising. Ray said,

1604
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.119
how do you feel about working in a haunted place? Cell?

1605
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:37.279
I think that's fine as long as I can leave

1606
01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:37.760
the place.

1607
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:40.640
Like what do you mean?

1608
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.000
I mean, like, as long as it's not somewhere that

1609
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:43.439
I live.

1610
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.279
Oh, beave where you live too.

1611
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.319
It's not the same. You can't just be like, okay,

1612
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:50.920
I'm done with my shift.

1613
01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:53.760
I mean you literally could just say that and walk

1614
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.079
out your front door. It wouldn't make any sense, but

1615
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:56.840
you can do it.

1616
01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.239
I guess I could. Yeah, I guess it's all the same.

1617
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:00.800
I guess it don't really There.

1618
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:07.439
There we go, Becky, Oh sorry I read that part

1619
01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:13.000
the team captured electronic voice phenomena or EVPs during their investigation.

1620
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:17.560
I should mention Shell is way more the seasoned pro

1621
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:19.760
when it comes to ghost hunting shows. I don't really

1622
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:22.439
watch them at all anymore. Maybe I did back in

1623
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:25.359
the old days, you know, fifteen twenty years ago. I

1624
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:26.479
mean you still watch them?

1625
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.159
Yeah, yeah, sometimes.

1626
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.520
I watched a couple with you last time I visited.

1627
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:33.920
Oh yeah, it was what the hell was on? I

1628
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:34.600
don't remember?

1629
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:40.920
It's okay. Quote, we got some electronic voice phenomena. That's

1630
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.840
when we have recording devices and there are voices that

1631
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.920
show up on it that weren't there at the time

1632
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:50.359
when we were recording it, Ray said. Well, said Sarah

1633
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:53.800
Crowe led the Phoenix investigation and confirmed the voices captured

1634
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.079
were not from team members. Quote. That was not any

1635
01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.800
of us. The nice thing is we all recognize each

1636
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.119
other voices at this point, and we try to make

1637
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:05.680
sure we're not whispering or making weird noises. Crow said,

1638
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.000
I mean, unless you want it to be an awesome

1639
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:09.920
investigation exactly.

1640
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.479
Also, it would be good to have something else rolling,

1641
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:17.279
so you have something they're trying to pick up EVPs on,

1642
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:19.319
and maybe you have something else going, and then you

1643
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:22.039
can compare them because they should all they should all

1644
01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:27.039
sound the same, and I mean you would think, but yeah,

1645
01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:27.760
that's it.

1646
01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:33.039
I mean, well said too. During a follow up investigation,

1647
01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:36.199
the team used an electrical trip wire to test paranormal

1648
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.720
activity around a specific chair. Oh, you're making a symbol

1649
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:40.600
your hand sign.

1650
01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:42.439
I don't know if I believe in all of that

1651
01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:52.399
stuff in trip wires. Yeah, well, in how they're used. Yeah,

1652
01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:55.439
I don't really believe in triple wires in general at that.

1653
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.199
Yeah, yeah, I respect that.

1654
01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:57.880
Thanks.

1655
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.720
What they look for is changes and electricity in the air,

1656
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:06.199
and there's hypotheses that ghosts use that energy. Ray said.

1657
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:10.079
The device appeared to respond when questions were directed toward

1658
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.159
the third chair in the bar. Ray said she doesn't

1659
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.800
feel the need to convince skeptics. Quote. They can believe

1660
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:19.239
whatever they want to believe, you know, that's fine with me.

1661
01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:21.520
I'm not trying to prove anything. Ray said, you are

1662
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:28.680
literally trying to prove things. You are an investigator. You

1663
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.159
are literally that is not true, Like you are literally

1664
01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:37.600
proving things. That is the point. Yeah, just saying. Despite

1665
01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.640
the unexplained occurrence, as staff members said, they don't feel

1666
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:45.359
threatened by the presence quote. I still don't feel alone,

1667
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:48.560
Duma said, I feel like I feel like they like me.

1668
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:54.840
I feel like we're friends. Renee echoed similar sentiments about

1669
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.600
the reported spirits. Quote, they're not scary. I know they're here,

1670
01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:02.600
Renee said, four hours prior to her sudden death. Now

1671
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:07.479
that's not there. But okay, so ca CBO got some ghosts?

1672
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:08.960
Yeah?

1673
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:12.880
Are you so? Chell? Are you afraid of ghosts?

1674
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:17.520
I don't know. Probably.

1675
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.800
So who you gonna call?

1676
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.159
I mean you can't call the police because they won't

1677
01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:28.840
know what to do. Okay, So I guess I'll could

1678
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:29.640
call my mom.

1679
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:33.520
I mean that wasn't the answer I was looking for,

1680
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.600
but it's still pretty much right. Okay, Well, when we

1681
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.279
get back, we're going to look into a really big

1682
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:45.640
or fish and what that means for the world around it? Oh,

1683
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:59.000
right after this shell? Yes, what's your opinion of or fish?

1684
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:00.880
I don't remember what they look like.

1685
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:06.960
That's a pretty hateful opinion. I mean, wouldn't you assume

1686
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:10.279
they resemble an or fish?

1687
01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:11.239
Probably not?

1688
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.800
They look like an or They don't look like an

1689
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:16.960
I mean they resemble an ar?

1690
01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:17.880
They do?

1691
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:20.560
Yes? Why would I be lying.

1692
01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:21.600
I don't know.

1693
01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:26.800
You're you? Yeah, you are on one today. I'm calling

1694
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:30.880
your mom when this show's over, because you know she'll

1695
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:31.680
tell you to act right.

1696
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:34.880
No, she'll she'll just be sad and she'll wonder what

1697
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.000
she did wrong, and let's not do that to her.

1698
01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:39.600
Oh man, that's not cool. My mom does My mom's like,

1699
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:41.479
where did I go wrong? I failed?

1700
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:45.199
That's yeah, yeah, I don't Okay, I.

1701
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:51.039
Won't call unless I really need to motivate you. Oh well,

1702
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:52.520
I can't show you a picture of it right now.

1703
01:32:52.520 --> 01:33:00.279
But this article comes out of Australia. Uh from the

1704
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:05.680
Guardian dot com. Three three meter giant oarfish palace Messenger

1705
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:10.119
of Doom washes up on Tasmanian beach. This is the

1706
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:13.560
third story that we have found where some kind of

1707
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:15.960
fish washes up on a shore and it's known to

1708
01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.680
be a bad omen. Yeah this year.

1709
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.159
Oh yay. I just looked up or fish and they

1710
01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:24.159
just look like long.

1711
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:32.159
So yeah, what is an or long? Huh ah? How straight? Okay,

1712
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.159
you guys think see, people think Sheell's nice, but she's mean.

1713
01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:43.000
That's the truth is she's actually really mean. It was

1714
01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.399
a beautiful, warm day in Northwest Tasmania when a fish

1715
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.319
with a reputation as a harbinger of doom washed ashore.

1716
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:54.920
Now you say harbinger or harbinger harbinger? Okay, good. I

1717
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:56.840
was afraid we weren't allowed to be friends anymore.

1718
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.319
Oh.

1719
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:03.760
Tony Cheeseman, that's his name, who lives in the seaside

1720
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.279
town of Penguin. I feel like I need somebody else

1721
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:09.520
to look at the screen so I know I'm not

1722
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:12.439
having a stroke like I'm saying. Feels like it's not

1723
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.960
the right word. Tony Cheeseman, who lives in the seaside

1724
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.880
town of Penguin. Uh fresh, I smell fresh cut grass.

1725
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:24.039
Thud was walking his two dogs, rown In and Custard,

1726
01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:29.560
not helping the beach, along the beach at Preservation Bay

1727
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.840
on Friday morning when something silvery and surrounded by gulls

1728
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.720
grabbed his attention. All right, at least the sentence is

1729
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:39.880
starting to feel like it's an actual sentence. Now. Quote.

1730
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.319
When I got to it, I saw this massive fish.

1731
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:45.439
Then I noticed the beautiful colors, and it had these

1732
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.199
long fans coming out of its chin and at the

1733
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:51.479
top of its head. He said, I'd never seen anything

1734
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:56.439
like it. Professor Cullum Brown, an expert in fish at

1735
01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:00.640
Macquarie University, said there were several species of oar fish,

1736
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.039
but the three meter specimen found at Penguin was probably

1737
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:07.800
the largest and most well known. The giant oar fish.

1738
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.039
Oh so they're one of those species where they have

1739
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.399
one specie that's just the giant that.

1740
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.760
But someone was like, I don't know, I'm done with names.

1741
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.239
It's fine. It's just a really big one.

1742
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:20.840
It's what if that's what Bigfoot is. He's just the

1743
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:23.039
giant guy, like the giant human.

1744
01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:26.199
Okay, that's what we find him in it.

1745
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:27.800
If you call the giant.

1746
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.000
Yeah, we just call him giant human.

1747
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:31.479
Like the giant squid.

1748
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:32.880
Yeah, exactly.

1749
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.640
Quote. They're a very unusual looking fish, he said. They're

1750
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.680
super long and skinny, kind of like a ribbon, and

1751
01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.920
they have a continuous dorsal fin. That's fine, like an ore.

1752
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:48.399
Ors don't have dorsal fins.

1753
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.479
Oh I meant the dorsal fin was like an ore.

1754
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:55.560
Oh yeah, now you feel bad, yeah coming at me

1755
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.000
like that. Yeah, giant or fish could grow up to

1756
01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.079
eight or nine meters, he said, but because they lived

1757
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.439
two hundred to one than five hundred meters below the surface.

1758
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:09.279
They were rarely seen. Quote. They only ever show up

1759
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:14.319
at the surface when they're sick or dying. He said, oh, buddy,

1760
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:16.199
it's okay.

1761
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:17.600
I don't want them to die.

1762
01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:20.680
He's with the angelfish now, No.

1763
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:22.920
I think those that are underwater.

1764
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:26.439
See so this is what I was talking about. In

1765
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:30.720
Japanese folklore, or fish were known as reugu no sukai.

1766
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:33.520
I think I said that.

1767
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.439
Okay, it sounded like it probably was fine.

1768
01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:40.600
Rugu no suki. R y you with a slash above it,

1769
01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.880
gee you with a slash over it? Re you goo?

1770
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.239
I think so, re you go sure, which translated to

1771
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.479
the seas God's the sea gods palace messenger, the sea

1772
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:59.359
God's palace messenger, Brown said, and their arrival was thought

1773
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.840
to harold lamities such as an earthquake or tsunami, but

1774
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.880
they were an unremarkable harbinger of doom or unreliable. Unremarkable.

1775
01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:11.680
I am I should sleep one day. It has been

1776
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.600
there long three months. Yeah, unreliable harbinger of doom. According

1777
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:18.159
to one study, you could say that about anything, man,

1778
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:24.479
Texico station gas stations are such an unreliable harbinger of doom. Yeah,

1779
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.119
which found no link between sightings of these slender sea

1780
01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:30.880
creatures and imminent disaster. Quote or fish just rock up

1781
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.960
at or just rock up at random? Brown said, we

1782
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:36.479
don't know very much about them, so any specimen that

1783
01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:40.119
washes up is really valuable. Or fish were also connected

1784
01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:43.399
to myths about sea serpents, said David Waldron, an associate

1785
01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:48.399
professor and historian at Federation University. Quote when they come

1786
01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:50.560
to the surface, which is when sailors in the nineteenth

1787
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:54.039
and eighteenth centuries would see them, it would be when

1788
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.479
they were ill and thrashing about, not able to maintain

1789
01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:03.960
their normal depth underwater. So what do you think about

1790
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.760
sea sea serpents?

1791
01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:10.000
I think they're just probably or fish. Now, thank you

1792
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:10.840
what we're going for?

1793
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:16.039
Look at you learning? Yeah, it's an educational show. You

1794
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.880
should get a grant or something. One Australian newspaper even

1795
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:25.119
reported the discovery of a quote supposed sea serpent at Penguin,

1796
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:30.000
Tasmania in eighteen seventy eight. Oh Wow, with an engraving

1797
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:33.680
of the quote mystic creature looking very much like an

1798
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:39.239
oar fish, enormous, brightly colored, distinctive and extremely rare. Is

1799
01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:43.239
it describing me the legendary appeal was similar to other

1800
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:46.520
creatures from the deep, like the giant squid. They were

1801
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:52.279
fascinating and mysterious. Waldron said, it's a very spectacular looking fish.

1802
01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:56.000
Was this one a harbinger of doom? Cheeseman didn't think so.

1803
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.880
Quote it was too nice a day for that. Oh

1804
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:05.239
I like him a lot now, So what a great

1805
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:06.760
end to the article. It was too nice a day

1806
01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:09.039
for that. I went Australian on that one because I

1807
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.199
felt like I could do that without it being insulting.

1808
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:13.800
Yeah, I'm sure it was a little insulting.

1809
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:16.039
Oh yeah, but I wasn't like saying didjii do and

1810
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.920
dingo over and over something like that, you know. Although,

1811
01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:21.760
my favorite thing ever was when a friend of mine

1812
01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:24.680
started playing a Digii do at a convention and I

1813
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:26.560
came up to him and I said, hey, let's digury

1814
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:30.159
don't and say we did, which was what my mom

1815
01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:31.760
My mom used to say, let's don't and say we

1816
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:32.479
did all the time.

1817
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:33.720
Yeah, it was.

1818
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.159
A nice it was a nice, charming moment. It was charming.

1819
01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.359
I don't care what anybody else says. I am a delight.

1820
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:42.600
So when we get back, we're gonna do one more

1821
01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:47.920
news story. Because this is about real estate and she

1822
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.840
loves herself. Some house information because I think it was

1823
01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.960
last month we talked about the Conjuring Home being sold. Well,

1824
01:39:56.760 --> 01:40:01.600
looks like some lawsuits might be going on. Yay, yeah,

1825
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:11.439
we'll talk about that right after this. All right, Shelle,

1826
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:14.399
it's time to see what controversy is going on with

1827
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.560
the Conjuring Home. Okay, So this is from kget dot

1828
01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:23.359
com and the headline is the Conjuring Home fight sparks

1829
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.159
lawsuit against Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes.

1830
01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.720
Really, yeah, what's happening?

1831
01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:36.079
Well, I don't know. Oh, I guess we can eat

1832
01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:42.039
this now. Burleville, Rhode Island. The Conjuring House saga has escalated.

1833
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:46.039
The homeowner's sister has filed a lawsuit against multiple people,

1834
01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:50.479
including sci fi's Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes, alleging her sister,

1835
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:58.920
Jacqueline Jacqueline, Jacqueline, Jacqueline. Sorry, her last name is Spanish

1836
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:03.680
and I started speaking Spanish early. I guess Jacqueline Nuniez

1837
01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:06.920
wasn't mentally competent when she handed over the rights to

1838
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.520
sell the famous home for at least one point three

1839
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:10.439
million dollars.

1840
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:10.840
MM.

1841
01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:16.159
Elizabeth Greenhalk of Utah is asking a Rhode Island Superior

1842
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.600
Court judge to block the never before seen agreement triggered

1843
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:22.800
in October when Nuniaz is alleged to have signed over

1844
01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:27.359
limited power of attorney to Hawes's associate Julia DeMay to quote,

1845
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.560
do all things necessary with respect to the sale of

1846
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:34.159
the home with Jason Hawes. According to the lawsuits, what's

1847
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:34.680
on your mind?

1848
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.359
Wait, who got power of attorney?

1849
01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:44.000
It says uh Nunyaz allegedly signed over limited power of

1850
01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:47.560
attorney to Hawes's associate Julia de May.

1851
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:52.000
That's insane. Tell us why, Well, I don't think we

1852
01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.880
want someone to give power of attorney to the person

1853
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:56.720
who's trying to buy a house.

1854
01:41:57.239 --> 01:41:58.640
Limited power of attorney?

1855
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.560
Okay, I don't think think you should give limited power

1856
01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:06.359
of attorney to the person who's trying to buy your house.

1857
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.439
That sounds that sounds bad.

1858
01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.000
What makes you think that? Like, I mean, they probably

1859
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.359
have their best to interest in heart.

1860
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:19.800
Right, I mean, I mean you're right, everyone's nice and

1861
01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:23.159
no one would do that out of bed that you know,

1862
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:26.560
like wanting to get like greed and stuff.

1863
01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:30.159
I don't know, I mean, I don't know a lot

1864
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:33.600
about power of attorney other than you know, super attorney.

1865
01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:35.000
The cartoon show I used to watch when I was

1866
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:37.079
a kid about the lawyer who was a you know,

1867
01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:41.760
he was hit by a radioactive golf ball. So now

1868
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:49.560
he's a super attorney. So let's see DeMay and Hawes

1869
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:53.159
told Next Star's w PRI they had not yet received

1870
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:57.399
the complaint and declined to comment further. The lawsuit reveals

1871
01:42:57.399 --> 01:43:00.600
what's been happening behind the scenes at the eighteenth century farmhouse,

1872
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:05.039
which sparked international interest last year Afternoonyaz fired an employee,

1873
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:08.880
claiming the spirit of the home's eighteenth century owner told

1874
01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.399
her the employee was stealing.

1875
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:13.000
Maybe she was.

1876
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:17.520
She probably was, you know yeah, oh, so I asked, chatch.

1877
01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.039
Ept, oh that's what you were doing.

1878
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:23.760
Maybe. I just asked, is there ever a situation where

1879
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.039
you should give limited power of attorney to someone to

1880
01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:30.880
help with the selling of a home or property? And

1881
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.359
it said yes, there are legit situations where a limited

1882
01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.800
aka special power of attorney is the cleanest way to

1883
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.159
keep a real estate deal moving, as long as it's

1884
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:41.199
narrowly written and you trust the person.

1885
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:45.039
I'm sorry, continue with Chetchy.

1886
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:49.199
You can't be physically present or time sensitive closing medically

1887
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:57.119
medical inability. There's an estate trust scenario many owners and

1888
01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.800
one owner is not available. You want one person a

1889
01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:05.600
hand transaction logistics. That's yeah, that's what it was saying.

1890
01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.880
It's possible that this that the person they they they

1891
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.119
said was not is like an agent, is not a

1892
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:15.079
just some friend of Hawes's, it said Hawes associate Julia

1893
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.960
de Maay. But DeMay might be just like a person

1894
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:18.520
who does this.

1895
01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.319
I mean, it's possible. It just seems like a conflict

1896
01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:25.159
of interests. And I don't And it's like and the

1897
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.199
power attorney thing, that's not my problem. My problem is you.

1898
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:31.800
You wouldn't want that to be, like if you're the seller,

1899
01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:37.159
Like you don't want the buyers shit being your stuff,

1900
01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.319
power of attorney and things. I don't know. It sounds

1901
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:42.920
not good to me, really not good.

1902
01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:48.880
Sure, let's see. Since then, multiple famous people have been

1903
01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:51.319
jockeying to buy the property, which Nunia has had turned

1904
01:44:51.359 --> 01:44:55.279
into a successful tourist attraction before losing her entertainment license

1905
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:57.720
a year ago. We heard about that, We talked about

1906
01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:01.560
that on the show a couple months ago. Hawes has

1907
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:04.640
been raising money through GoFundMe to purchase the home, an

1908
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:08.680
effort spurred by Andrea Perron, who requested on social media

1909
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:12.600
that he saved the home the twenty thirteen blockbuster The

1910
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:16.479
Conjuring was based off the paren family's supernatural experience living

1911
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.560
in the farmhouse in the nineteen seventies. A buying war

1912
01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:23.680
erupted after Nunyez stopped making payments on the loan she

1913
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.199
used to buy the home for one point five million

1914
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.880
dollars in twenty twenty two.

1915
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:33.520
So wait, so she's only owned the home for a

1916
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:34.359
few years.

1917
01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:36.079
Yeah, not very long at all.

1918
01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:36.640
Wow.

1919
01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:40.199
The bank initially put the home up for auction scheduled

1920
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:42.640
for Halloween, but I remember hearing about this. It was

1921
01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:44.520
supposed to go up for auction to Halloween, but a

1922
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:49.039
company controlled by YouTuber Elton Castille purchased the underlying note beforehand,

1923
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:53.279
effectively canceling the highly anticipated event. As it stands now,

1924
01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:56.840
Casti's company owns the debt, and DeMay Quote has entered

1925
01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.359
or will soon enter into an agreement to sell the

1926
01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:00.520
property to Hawes.

1927
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:01.439
Okay.

1928
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:04.399
Casti and comedian Matt Rife have been trying to buy

1929
01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:07.079
the home separately from Hawes, which comes in the wake

1930
01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.279
of them buying the Warren House in Connecticut. So that's

1931
01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:11.720
what we talked about it last time. This was the

1932
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:16.079
Warren House. This is the house that they fought supposedly

1933
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.079
fought a monstrous demon in.

1934
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.560
Right, because yeah, we hadn't talked about like Jason from

1935
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:26.000
Ghost Unders before about so yeah, right, so you claim

1936
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.039
I think I would remember.

1937
01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:31.720
What are you guys besties? No?

1938
01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:36.000
He no, but I know who he is and I

1939
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:39.000
just kind of stand out in front of his house sometimes.

1940
01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:40.000
Oh that's nice.

1941
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:44.279
Yeah, does he wave, He like shakes his fists and

1942
01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:48.000
he like points to his cell phone a lot like.

1943
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:51.279
But I think that means he wants me to call him.

1944
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:52.680
So that sounds like it.

1945
01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:54.720
Yeah.

1946
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:57.520
Castie, whose company is named as an interested party in

1947
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.760
the lawsuit, did not immediately respond to her for comment.

1948
01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:05.399
Greenhall alleged Nunya's quote was legally incompetent and not found

1949
01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:07.760
sound of mind when she signed over the rights to

1950
01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.720
DeMay to sell the house. She accuses accused Hawes of

1951
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:15.560
conspiring with DeMay and leading a concerted effort to acquire

1952
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:22.600
the property despite knowing Nunias was unwell. Nunyaz told me

1953
01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:25.640
on multiple occasions that she would never sell the property,

1954
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:29.119
especially not to Hawes. Greenhall wrote in the lawsuit, adding

1955
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:32.159
that Nunias had suffered from various delusions over the past

1956
01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:36.039
year that include accusing greenhg and her husband of having

1957
01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:42.399
engaged in criminal activity that has absolutely no basis in reality.

1958
01:47:42.079 --> 01:47:47.720
So Nuniez had had accused Greenhge of committing crimes, maybe

1959
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:50.359
that's the true thing, and Greenhall is just trying to

1960
01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:57.960
steal m that's allegedly. This is completely we're making stuff. Nuniez,

1961
01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:01.399
who didn't immediately respond to her request, has repeatedly told

1962
01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:05.000
WPRIS she would never sell the property. Hawes and Nuniez

1963
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.880
have butted heads in the past. Hawes filed the police

1964
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.640
report in twenty twenty four asking for a restraining order

1965
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:14.960
against Nuniez whow alleging she was harassing him and his

1966
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:17.079
family and had come up with a twisted theory that

1967
01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:18.479
he was plotting to kill her.

1968
01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:20.760
Wow.

1969
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:23.880
See, and you were just comically stalking him.

1970
01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:25.439
Yeah.

1971
01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:28.319
Hawes, who has said he's only seeking to buy the

1972
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.720
home because of Peron's request, posted on Facebook that the

1973
01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:34.760
lawsuit does not change the direction we are moving in

1974
01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:39.439
complex property transactions, particularly those involving long histories and multiple parties,

1975
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:42.560
filings and delays are not unusual, he wrote, Some arise

1976
01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.479
naturally through the process, and some may extend timelines in

1977
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:49.600
ways that benefit other parties involved. We remain fully transparent

1978
01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:53.640
and are continuing to handle everything through the appropriate legal channels.

1979
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.479
I can't comment on motives at this time, he added,

1980
01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:01.000
So what's your take, your hot take.

1981
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:05.199
I guess my take is that, I mean, for a set,

1982
01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:08.880
I mean, I don't like the whole thing, the power

1983
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:13.960
returney thing, but knowing that she she the property was

1984
01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:16.880
going up for auction because she had not been paying

1985
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.880
I guess the mortgage. Yeah, now I'm kind of like, eh,

1986
01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:25.439
I mean it was going away, like she wasn't going

1987
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:28.199
to be able to keep it anyway, you know, So

1988
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:31.119
I'm not now I'm just kind of like, Wow, this

1989
01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:36.760
is fucked up. Everybody's fucked up. Yeah, and she's probably insane.

1990
01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:41.720
Oh wow, that's pretty harsh, but okay. Yeah, Well, we're

1991
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:43.479
gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

1992
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.159
we're going to talk about our topic for the show,

1993
01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:49.399
our last topic of twenty twenty five, which is all

1994
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:53.159
about how in nineteen eighty seven, two tourists went to

1995
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:57.520
Times Square to celebrate New Years, as many tens of thousands,

1996
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:01.159
hundreds of thousands of people do every year. But they

1997
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:05.560
got convicted of murder. And that's just the beginning of

1998
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:17.479
this fascinating saga right after this. So, cell, you've been

1999
01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:21.039
New York City adjacent your whole life, including being born

2000
01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:22.079
in de Bronx.

2001
01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:24.479
I mean that's technically New York City.

2002
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:29.159
What hospital were you born at? The one in the Bronx,

2003
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.159
the Bronx Hospital, the Bronx General. I know the name

2004
01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:36.239
of the hospital I was born in.

2005
01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:39.399
I don't know if I know the name of the hospital.

2006
01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:41.680
It's easy for me because I was born in Saint Elizabeth's,

2007
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.399
which doesn't exist anymore. So, wow, it was renamed and

2008
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:46.439
then destroyed.

2009
01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.159
I'm pretty sure my hospital still exists.

2010
01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:51.439
Yeah, they need them in New York, you know, for

2011
01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:54.800
all the stabbins and stuff. So, but have you ever

2012
01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.680
been tempted? You in your life of being like born

2013
01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:00.640
in the Bronx, living in Jersey, living in Philly, have

2014
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:03.119
you ever been tempted to go to Times Square for

2015
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.640
New Year's No? No, why not?

2016
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:09.199
Because it sounds terrible? Why would I just what part

2017
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:13.279
the all of it out. There's lots of people, lots

2018
01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:15.680
of people, and you have to stay where you are

2019
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:20.399
because you have to there's nowhere to go and it's

2020
01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:22.840
cold out, and then what are you going to do?

2021
01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.920
You just watch the ball drop out of off the building.

2022
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:28.600
I mean there are literally like some of the most

2023
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:31.359
famous performers in the world perform concerts there.

2024
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.319
Oh, I mean none, none that I want to see that.

2025
01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:35.159
Ouch.

2026
01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:38.479
No, it sounds terrible. I would never do that. There

2027
01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:39.920
are a lot of things I would like to do

2028
01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:44.000
in New York, but not that. Like what I'd like

2029
01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:47.520
to go see the Big Tree.

2030
01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:50.359
Why don't you just go see it? It's a big tree.

2031
01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:54.760
Well I I could. I just I'd have to like

2032
01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:56.520
go there to do it. It's not like it's right

2033
01:51:57.239 --> 01:51:59.399
on my street. So I'll go. I'll go see it

2034
01:51:59.399 --> 01:51:59.840
next year.

2035
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:03.680
Me when I lived in North Jersey, I don't know

2036
01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:07.600
if you remember this, but I lived in Butler, New Jersey,

2037
01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:11.880
and Butler was the last stop that was direct to

2038
01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.479
New York City. So you could get on the bus

2039
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.760
and go straight to New York City, no connections, no nothing.

2040
01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:19.279
But it was like the furthest you could get and

2041
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:25.479
still do that. Yeah, on like NJ Transit on New

2042
01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:28.119
Year's Eve. Both years that I was there for New

2043
01:52:28.199 --> 01:52:31.880
Year's Eve, there were people parked to go to Times

2044
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:36.319
Square up and down my street in Jersey. That's so weird,

2045
01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:38.159
like thirty miles away.

2046
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:40.800
I mean, that's a great idea, and I would totally

2047
01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:41.159
do that.

2048
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:43.880
Sure, yeah, well but you weren't even supposed to park

2049
01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:45.760
on the street over there, Like they were just parked

2050
01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:47.880
on our street anyway, and nobody everybody just shrugged.

2051
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:50.840
Well, I mean it's a holiday, so the people who

2052
01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:53.000
ticket is probably not out, you know.

2053
01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.560
And and the way I figured that out initially before

2054
01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:58.039
I asked the neighbor and they're like, oh yeah, this

2055
01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:01.319
always happens, was because like you couldn't guess the license

2056
01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:02.960
plate they were from all over the country.

2057
01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:04.960
Weit wow wow.

2058
01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:10.439
Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, all that to say that made

2059
01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:12.359
me even less want to go. I was like, how

2060
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.800
packed it must be. But this is an interesting piece

2061
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:21.000
I discovered from AETV dot com. It feels like it's

2062
01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.159
spooky news, but this is a little bit deeper than

2063
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:27.880
a news story. Okay, the title is it took nearly

2064
01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:31.319
forty years for two men to prove they were wrongfully

2065
01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:34.359
convicted of a New Year's murder in Times Square.

2066
01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:35.680
Wow.

2067
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:40.199
Yeah, so and uh, I just thought this was like

2068
01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:44.520
the perfect timing to talk about something New Year's related.

2069
01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:49.319
In the early morning hours of January third, nineteen eighty seven,

2070
01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:53.000
nineteen year old Eric Smokes was walking his girlfriend of

2071
01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:56.439
two years, Tammy Jenkins, the five blocks back to her

2072
01:53:56.439 --> 01:53:59.680
home after a night at his East New York Brooklyn apartment,

2073
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:04.000
when he was swarmed by police. Quote they cornered me.

2074
01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:06.880
They cornered me off and held me like the Gestapo

2075
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.600
or ice, and they said I had to go with them,

2076
01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:14.840
Smokes tells Ane Crime Plus Investigation. Smokes was interrogated for

2077
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.800
hours at the station. He says, quote they initiated with

2078
01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:23.000
questions about days and times. I was trying to answer

2079
01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:25.479
truthfully and honest as I could. But I'm like, whoa,

2080
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:29.079
this seems serious. Then they hit you with there's been

2081
01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:29.720
a murder.

2082
01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:32.920
Yeah.

2083
01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:35.680
Later that day, the police knocked on the door of

2084
01:54:35.720 --> 01:54:39.159
sixteen year old David Warren in nearby Pink Houses public

2085
01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:43.239
housing project. Warren wasn't home, but he was close down

2086
01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:46.359
the hall in the apartment of Kim Williams, his girlfriend

2087
01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:49.079
of just over a year. His mother had came to

2088
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:53.039
get him. Warren says the police were kind at first,

2089
01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:55.880
but when they got him away from parental supervision in

2090
01:54:55.920 --> 01:55:00.439
the hallway of the apartment, the atmosphere instantly changed. Quote

2091
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.079
they asked me to take off my shirt, Warren said.

2092
01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.760
The victim's wife had scratched the guy that assaulted him,

2093
01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:09.039
so they wanted me to take off my garments to

2094
01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:11.399
see if I had any marks on me, which I didn't.

2095
01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:15.119
Down at the station, they began interrogating him about his

2096
01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:20.920
whereabouts on New Year's Eve. I was petrified. Warren recalls.

2097
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:24.960
What unfolded next was a string of events that incarcerated

2098
01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:27.680
the two until they were middle aged, only for the

2099
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:31.640
Manhattan District Attorney to vacate their convictions in twenty twenty four,

2100
01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:41.760
acknowledging their prosecution had been quote unjust wow, Yeah, it's

2101
01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:45.119
pretty crazy. I mean, first of all, it would be

2102
01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:49.119
a pretty high profile thing if somebody's murdered on you know,

2103
01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:52.520
near Times Square in you know, nineteen eighty seven, like

2104
01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:54.199
where as the ball was dropping and this was during

2105
01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:57.720
what the height of like crime. Really being kind of

2106
01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.720
beat up pretty well well, you know, pretty knocked out

2107
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:03.239
compared to the way New York had been because it

2108
01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.680
had been well it really the nineties, I guess was

2109
01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:07.159
when it really got better. Huh.

2110
01:56:07.319 --> 01:56:10.399
Yeah, it was still really really rough around that time. Yeah,

2111
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:12.920
really rough around that time. And Times Square around that

2112
01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:14.760
time was really really rough.

2113
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:15.439
Yeah.

2114
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:18.119
So did you not know that?

2115
01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:21.319
I mean I knew that New York was just the worst.

2116
01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:23.760
Oh you didn't, but you didn't know the whole thing

2117
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.239
about Times Square. No, you don't know about.

2118
01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:27.560
Time really, No, tell me.

2119
01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:32.319
Oh, Times Square used to just be like terrible and

2120
01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:36.279
used to just be like all like like peep shows

2121
01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:38.279
and like adult movies.

2122
01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:40.199
I mean I knew that because I worked at a

2123
01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:44.439
company that remastered like forty Second Street movies and stuff. Yeah,

2124
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:46.560
but it was like the Second Street was famous for

2125
01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:47.000
that too.

2126
01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:49.600
It was like super super dangerous there.

2127
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.000
But everybody likes to go there to kiss when the

2128
01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:52.800
ball drops man.

2129
01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:54.520
Yeah. Yeah.

2130
01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:58.520
So, Warren and Smokes were the prime suspects in the

2131
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.760
murder case case of Dean Cassie, a seventy one year

2132
01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:04.760
old French tourist who had been killed in a violent

2133
01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:08.680
robbery ten blocks north of Times Square minutes after the

2134
01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:13.760
ball dropped in nineteen eighty seven. The teenagers who were

2135
01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.000
friends had gone to Times Square that night with a

2136
01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:18.560
group of peers in the hopes of catching a rap

2137
01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:22.199
show at Latin Quarters, a music venue popular with teenagers,

2138
01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:24.840
but the cover charge was steep that night and not

2139
01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:27.000
everyone in the group could afford it, so the group

2140
01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:31.319
hung out outside the club before heading home. Warren and

2141
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.840
Smokes insist that they never ventured near the murder scene,

2142
01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:38.399
an alibi that was corroborated by their friends, but several

2143
01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:43.279
eyewitnesses placed them at the scene. They were arrested and

2144
01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:48.239
put on trial for second degree murder. I'm really curious

2145
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:50.920
about this because I've become a bit skeptical about the

2146
01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:57.119
wrongfully accused concept. Okay, well, what was it? What was

2147
01:57:57.159 --> 01:57:57.800
the was it?

2148
01:57:57.880 --> 01:57:58.920
Serial cereal?

2149
01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.399
When I dug deeper and like looked at other reports

2150
01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:06.680
about it, I became way less convinced the guy was innocent. Like,

2151
01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:10.239
they definitely worked really hard to push the concept that

2152
01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:11.520
he was guilty not guilty.

2153
01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:15.600
I mean, we've talked about that before, and I haven't

2154
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.000
done a lot of research, so I can't really say

2155
01:58:18.119 --> 01:58:21.600
either way. But there are tons of people who are

2156
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.159
just wrongly convicted.

2157
01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:26.239
Well, I agree, I met, I met the media portrayal. Sorry,

2158
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:30.479
that's what I mean, Like, like how framing has been

2159
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:34.039
done on some of them. I'm not denying that that

2160
01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:37.920
I would rather This is not popular to some people,

2161
01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.920
but I would rather guilty people go free than innocent

2162
01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.560
people suffer in prison. I would definitely prefer to axit,

2163
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:49.319
to wrongfully let someone go, than to wrongfully imprison someone.

2164
01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:50.119
Yeah.

2165
01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:51.880
So I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but

2166
01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.680
I am wondering, Like, I wonder what because the fact

2167
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:57.000
that there were eyewitnesses that could be bullshit. I'm curious

2168
01:58:57.039 --> 01:59:02.439
to hear if the eyewitnesses are you know, we're bull crap.

2169
01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:05.640
I mean, even if there are eyewitnesses, they're they're like,

2170
01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.680
they're just kids, right, Like you can be wrong, you can.

2171
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:12.760
Oh yeah, just kids. I was like, Yes, kids kill

2172
01:59:12.760 --> 01:59:13.760
people all the time.

2173
01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:16.560
Oh no, but I'm sure they just look like kids.

2174
01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:20.239
So it's not it's not hard for someone to, you know,

2175
01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:24.920
think they remember something correctly and not. Absolutely eyewitnesses are

2176
01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:26.159
notoriously bad.

2177
01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.119
Absolutely. Well, we're going to jump back into this right

2178
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:40.000
after this break. All right, we're back looking into the

2179
01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:45.600
trial of Eric Smokes and David Warren. So let's see.

2180
01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:51.239
The most notable eyewitness was James Walker, age sixteen. Walker

2181
01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:54.399
had been arrested January second, nineteen eighty seven, for a

2182
01:59:54.439 --> 01:59:59.039
different mugging in the Times Square area. Under questioning, Walker

2183
01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:05.479
told investigators that Smokes had told him he'd murdered Cassie.

2184
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:09.800
Smoke says before Walker was Smoke says before Walker was

2185
02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:16.000
an acquaintance. Smoke says before Walker, before Walker was an acquaintance.

2186
02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.199
Before the trial, get a copy at her an e

2187
02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:22.840
ge quote. We didn't hang out, but if we'd see

2188
02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:25.640
each other, we'd acknowledge that we knew each other. Young

2189
02:00:25.680 --> 02:00:31.079
teenager stuff very loose, Smokes explains. Smokes was bewildered by

2190
02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:34.520
Walker's testimony at the trial. Quote, it was heart wrenching.

2191
02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:37.840
It's not just that he's testifying. He's making stuff up,

2192
02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:40.319
and it isn't David and Eric stole candy out of

2193
02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:44.319
a store. This is life altering, for real, for real situation.

2194
02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:46.560
How are you going to get up there and do that?

2195
02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:49.920
As for Warren, he says he was offered a plea

2196
02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:52.520
deal to testify against Smokes that would have gotten him

2197
02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:56.000
out in as little as a year. Wow, half of

2198
02:00:56.039 --> 02:01:00.479
which he'd already served in pre trial detention. It was

2199
02:01:00.520 --> 02:01:04.359
a non starter. Quote that would have involved lying on somebody.

2200
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:08.399
There was nothing to think about, Warren says. For the

2201
02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:11.239
second for the second degree murder, Smokes was convicted and

2202
02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:14.520
sentenced to twenty five years to life imprisonment.

2203
02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:15.319
Wow.

2204
02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:19.239
Warren was convicted and got fifteen years to life. In

2205
02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:21.359
two thousand and five, Walker would write a letter to

2206
02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:25.199
Smokes confessing to deep guilty felt for offering false testimony.

2207
02:01:25.560 --> 02:01:29.279
Oh there we go. It was provided to Any Crime

2208
02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:33.359
Plus Investigation by Smokes and Warren's lawyer James Henning. Quote.

2209
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:35.680
I don't know why I did it besides me wanting

2210
02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:38.439
to stay free and smoke crack. The letter reads, Hey,

2211
02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:41.800
that is fucking That is the That is honesty that

2212
02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:43.560
you can't get from just anybody.

2213
02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:44.079
Yeah.

2214
02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:46.399
Yeah, Like I'm not even a fault the guy. It

2215
02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:50.119
sounds like he's he's you know, gotten his life right,

2216
02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:55.159
you know, if he's apologizing for that. Yeah. The letter reads,

2217
02:01:55.399 --> 02:01:57.920
I've committed the ultimate crime. That's not the ultimate crime,

2218
02:01:58.079 --> 02:02:00.880
but it's bad. That's a pretty nice that's the ultimate crime.

2219
02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:03.319
Though by that, I don't know what the ultimate crime is, though,

2220
02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:05.880
I just feel like it can't be just that. By

2221
02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:09.039
that point, Warren and Smokes had already been incarcerated for

2222
02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:15.520
eighteen years. Oh God. The first stop was Elmira Correctional.

2223
02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.840
Warren recounts, they make you strip buck naked, spray you

2224
02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:21.039
with some life stuff, make you get in a shower

2225
02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:23.760
with other naked teenagers, give you some clothes, take you

2226
02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:26.239
and read you the Riot Act and how they'll kill

2227
02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:28.119
you if you get out of line, and that they

2228
02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:30.920
don't care what you do to each other. Well, it's

2229
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.680
called delousing, uh powder. But otherwise that all sounds right.

2230
02:02:35.079 --> 02:02:36.159
Yeah, I got it.

2231
02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:41.359
The men begin serving their sentences together. Quote. We were

2232
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:44.520
on the same bus from Rikers to Elmira, Warren says.

2233
02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:47.239
My number was eight seven B one sixty four seven

2234
02:02:47.279 --> 02:02:49.479
and he was eight seven B one six' five to.

2235
02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:54.720
Two initially they were in the same galley, gallery i.

2236
02:02:54.840 --> 02:02:57.319
E the area of the cell. Block later they were

2237
02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:00.680
moved to separate, facilities but stayed in. Touch they kept

2238
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:03.880
in contact with their girlfriends as. Well quote throughout my,

2239
02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:07.359
incarceration she was always my. Friend she never forgot about,

2240
02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:10.479
Me warren says Of williams twenty one, years and she

2241
02:03:10.600 --> 02:03:15.800
never missed my. Birthday oh that's really. Nice smokes And jenkins.

2242
02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:19.600
Reunited quote that was my biggest, Fan smoke, said adding

2243
02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:23.319
that although she had other relationships over the, years, QUOTE

2244
02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:25.479
i GUESS i made a hell of an impression prior

2245
02:03:25.479 --> 02:03:29.720
to that because we ultimately ended up back. Together, oh,

2246
02:03:29.800 --> 02:03:34.319
oh that's. Nice or she's very. Difficult, yeah they're all good. Answers.

2247
02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:38.760
Yeah On december, twentieth two thousand and, seven the day

2248
02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:41.399
after he was released on, Parole warren went to a

2249
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:45.319
check cashing store in his neighborhood Where williams. Worked it

2250
02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:48.479
was a pragmatic. Visit he Knew williams would process a

2251
02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:51.399
check he'd, received even though he hadn't yet secured a

2252
02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:58.880
VALID id post. Incarceration ooh, quote old feelings blossomed, Again warren.

2253
02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:03.039
Says the couple had and the married couple of the

2254
02:04:03.079 --> 02:04:06.560
couple married and had a. Daughter. Sorry in twenty, Eleven

2255
02:04:06.640 --> 02:04:10.600
smokes And jenkins also married while he was still incarcerated

2256
02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:15.119
At Fishkill. Correctional he was released the same. Year williams

2257
02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:18.520
died unexpectedly of an aneurysm in twenty, twenty four years

2258
02:04:18.560 --> 02:04:23.439
Before warren's, sentence was. Vacated, quote my wife never got

2259
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:26.199
to see. It that weighs on. Me he, says she

2260
02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:30.439
was part of this. Struggle this is this is the.

2261
02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:32.520
WORST i, Mean i'm the only THING i can say

2262
02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:37.760
is this is. Why, again not a popular, opinion But

2263
02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:40.640
i'm vehemently against the death. Penalty not a popular opim

2264
02:04:40.680 --> 02:04:43.159
with a lot of, people because at least you can

2265
02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:47.520
do something to write. It, yeah you still took away

2266
02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.439
a gigantic chunk of their, lives and that is. Awful

2267
02:04:51.039 --> 02:04:53.359
but at least you could do. Something you can let

2268
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.159
them be. Free. Now, yeah you could, pay you could pay,

2269
02:04:56.199 --> 02:05:01.479
restitutions you could do. Stuff but you, know if they

2270
02:05:01.479 --> 02:05:06.800
had been, executed this would just be. Trivia, yeah it

2271
02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:11.800
wouldn't be a human interest. Story and that makes me. Sad,

2272
02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:15.960
yeah what do you, Think? Chelle why don't you run

2273
02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:18.439
down your favorite problems with the criminal justice?

2274
02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:25.119
SYSTEM i mean this is one of. Them definitely. Articles,

2275
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:26.520
YEAH i don't like.

2276
02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:32.079
Them you're, LIKE i don't have a problem with what.

2277
02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:34.199
HAPPENED i have a problem with it being reported.

2278
02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:37.720
On, yeah it's, like come, ON i don't want to

2279
02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:40.840
know about this. Stuff just let it go. On it's.

2280
02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:45.520
Fine, yeah it's, fine it's, fine everybody needs to. Relax.

2281
02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:53.520
Okay by the time of their, Exoneration walker had, died

2282
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:57.119
but his letter was submitted into, evidence and several eyewitnesses

2283
02:05:57.119 --> 02:05:59.720
who had been teenagers at the time took the stand

2284
02:05:59.760 --> 02:06:03.600
and canted their prior. Testimony, wow so this just goes

2285
02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:06.119
to tell to show you that every children. Lie don't

2286
02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:10.720
believe them? Ever, yeah, yeah one said he testified in

2287
02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:14.239
the face of police pressure around his own. Case another blamed,

2288
02:06:14.359 --> 02:06:18.039
youthful naivete and a teen rivalry with smoke stemming from

2289
02:06:18.039 --> 02:06:22.520
a pellet gun. Incident prosecutors concluded that police pressured, witnesses and,

2290
02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:25.720
that along with the fact that NO dna evidence linked

2291
02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:31.079
smokes Or warrento the, crime Led Judge Stephen antignani to

2292
02:06:31.319 --> 02:06:35.039
vacate the convictions In january of twenty twenty. Four authorities

2293
02:06:35.039 --> 02:06:37.600
have not named any other suspects In cassie's.

2294
02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:42.399
Murder whoever it is they got away with, It.

2295
02:06:42.680 --> 02:06:44.680
Well a lot of people did back, then you. Know,

2296
02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:51.079
YEAH i mean the idea of like pushing people through

2297
02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:54.479
the justice system as quickly as possible is a real. Problem. Yeah,

2298
02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:57.279
YEAH i do believe that we have the best justice

2299
02:06:57.279 --> 02:07:01.960
system in the. World but that the and that justice

2300
02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:08.279
systems are hard and stopping, crime solving crime is very very. Hard,

2301
02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:14.000
yeah AND i believe there's an immense amount of progress

2302
02:07:14.079 --> 02:07:18.319
to be, made, Definitely and that's something that always drives me.

2303
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:21.000
Crazy some people don't seem to understand. That i'm, Like i'm,

2304
02:07:21.000 --> 02:07:25.119
Like i'm always saying you can admit that something is

2305
02:07:25.279 --> 02:07:29.720
good and still say it's, flawed, sure because some people

2306
02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:31.479
will just be, like, oh this is just the you,

2307
02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:33.399
know the worst damn, country like when all this stuff,

2308
02:07:33.439 --> 02:07:36.399
happens and it's, like, dude there's a lot worse places

2309
02:07:37.439 --> 02:07:40.319
by a massive. Margin but, yeah we need to fix the,

2310
02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:42.760
problems like we got to keep you. Can't we can't

2311
02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:46.720
rest in our laurels at. All that that is SOMETHING

2312
02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:52.880
i stand by very very. Much so all, Right jenkins

2313
02:07:52.920 --> 02:07:57.760
died of a varying cancer That. August the men settled

2314
02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:00.279
With New York city and received a payment in Or

2315
02:08:00.399 --> 02:08:03.119
june of this. Year warren, Says, okay, good so they got.

2316
02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:05.039
Restitution that was WHAT i was about to, say is

2317
02:08:05.479 --> 02:08:08.880
once it got fully, overturned they should receive. Restitution.

2318
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:09.960
Yeah, Absolutely.

2319
02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:14.800
Yeah their, Attorney James, henning citing his client's, privacy would

2320
02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.840
not disclose the figure To Ane Crime Plus, investigation but

2321
02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:21.119
acknowledged they negotiated from a strong position and that the

2322
02:08:21.159 --> 02:08:25.199
pair would not have to work good still as long

2323
02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:26.520
as they moved out Of New york so they could

2324
02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:30.439
afford to live. Exactly, Hey i'm sure they already left.

2325
02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:34.359
Still when talking about the, money both men strike a somber.

2326
02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:37.800
Tone let's be. REALISTIC i have a lot more time

2327
02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:40.680
behind me than in front of, Me warren, says it's

2328
02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:44.439
about securing a better future for my daughter at this. Point,

2329
02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:47.760
YEAH i think that's a, fair fair. Statement smokes calls

2330
02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:51.840
the settlement bittersweet. Quote we didn't really do nothing to,

2331
02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:55.199
celebrate he. Says neither one of us indulges in drinking

2332
02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.640
or smoking or anything like. That it would have been

2333
02:08:57.640 --> 02:09:00.560
more pleasing to share it with the people we. Hold

2334
02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.479
since the, settlement both men have moved out Of New

2335
02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:08.960
York city to different locations they speak every. Day, Wow

2336
02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.600
so there you. Go we'll end the year with a sombering.

2337
02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:16.840
STORY i just it's hard to find truly interesting and

2338
02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.520
captivating stories that like, fit especially around the holidays and

2339
02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:23.399
stuff like. This AND i thought this was truly fascinating

2340
02:09:23.439 --> 02:09:27.600
and it Involved New year's although. Loosely, yeah but, Noah

2341
02:09:27.960 --> 02:09:30.880
i'm just glad that any restitution could be. Made me.

2342
02:09:31.000 --> 02:09:34.079
Too you, know my biggest fear is harming people like,

2343
02:09:34.159 --> 02:09:36.600
this the system harming people like, this and then just

2344
02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:41.399
it's shrug. Emoji it's just, well that's what. Happens that's

2345
02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:41.640
WHAT i.

2346
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:44.399
MEAN i, mean it doesn't fix what.

2347
02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:47.760
Happens, NO i, mean nothing could be. Fixed but but,

2348
02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:51.319
yeah if they had been, executed like what do you

2349
02:09:51.399 --> 02:09:55.119
do send their FRIGGIN' i, mean these two were, children,

2350
02:09:55.600 --> 02:09:58.760
yeah nineteen and sixteen years. Old one of them was

2351
02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:02.680
barely an. Adult it's not like they have like what

2352
02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:04.720
are you going to do send restitution to their you,

2353
02:10:04.720 --> 02:10:07.640
know elderly parents if they're still, alive if you if

2354
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:10.079
you'd executed them and then exonerated them all this, time

2355
02:10:10.119 --> 02:10:12.239
and the only reason they got exonerated was because they

2356
02:10:12.239 --> 02:10:17.920
had people to including, themselves to advocate for. Them so

2357
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:21.840
that's my point is like it's important that they're that

2358
02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:26.279
you know that these mistakes can be. Stopped, yeah you,

2359
02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:28.479
know even if you can't undo what has been, done

2360
02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:32.520
you can stop AND i think that's really. Important so

2361
02:10:32.720 --> 02:10:34.760
with that all being, said we're going to take a

2362
02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:37.960
break and wrap, up And i'm gonna demand shall not be.

2363
02:10:38.039 --> 02:10:54.279
Depressing right after, this we're back wrapping up the final

2364
02:10:54.399 --> 02:10:59.159
monthly spooky of twenty twenty, five AND i have to, Ask,

2365
02:10:59.279 --> 02:11:03.600
cell do you have any what are your thoughts on

2366
02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:04.920
twenty twenty? Five wrapping?

2367
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:06.520
Up, yay it's?

2368
02:11:06.520 --> 02:11:09.079
Over is that your thought on every? Year?

2369
02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.840
THOUGH i don't. KNOW i don't like this. One. No

2370
02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.079
Usually i'm just kind of, like, eh that's.

2371
02:11:14.119 --> 02:11:16.840
Whatever but you're excited for this one to wrap? Up?

2372
02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:18.680
Yeah no? More no more twenty twenty.

2373
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:20.760
FIVE i, mean you had some good stuff, happen but

2374
02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:26.000
the medical stuff was pretty, stressful like super. Stressful. YEAH

2375
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:30.560
i think there's always a. Good there's good and there's bad. Whatever, okay,

2376
02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:34.319
fine In chell's, world everything was. Bad. Yeah anyone who

2377
02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:37.640
disagrees as a. Problem, yeah and she'll gas lamp you

2378
02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:44.319
until you give. Up. Yeah, WELL I i'm so. Sorry

2379
02:11:44.399 --> 02:11:46.600
michelle just punched her cat as hard as she. Could

2380
02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:48.520
what did you do to that poor?

2381
02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:50.520
CAT i just hit her in the.

2382
02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:54.359
Face oh the part where there is a. Face, No

2383
02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.359
oh that's not, OKAY i.

2384
02:11:57.399 --> 02:11:59.760
KNOW i. Know just let's do it SO i can

2385
02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:00.239
come hurt.

2386
02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:05.159
Her that's how you wrap up the. Year just whack

2387
02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:08.079
your poor kitty. Cat well, GO i was just gonna,

2388
02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:10.239
say it's been a tough. Year there's been a lot

2389
02:12:10.279 --> 02:12:13.920
of struggle and stress and, strain but it's ending pretty.

2390
02:12:13.960 --> 02:12:20.039
Strong AND i appreciate, You michelle as you assault your poor, Cat.

2391
02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:22.039
Hi poor gigs and she won't come close.

2392
02:12:22.159 --> 02:12:25.880
Enough, yeah because you heard, her you hurt. Her. No

2393
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.560
but with all that, said let's wrap up twenty twenty.

2394
02:12:31.600 --> 02:12:34.640
FIVE i want to MENTION i did see a horror

2395
02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:39.840
film in the, theater which was the much Anticipated Five

2396
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:44.319
nights At Freddy's part. TWO i Liked Five nights At

2397
02:12:44.319 --> 02:12:48.800
freddy's pretty. Well it's very heavy on world building because

2398
02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:53.000
the video games are so intricate and massive and full of.

2399
02:12:53.079 --> 02:12:56.560
LORE i Thought part two was a better horror. Film

2400
02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:00.359
it had more like big jump scares and shocking, moments

2401
02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:04.399
SO i really enjoyed. It. Good you have not Seen

2402
02:13:04.439 --> 02:13:08.399
Five nights At, freddy's, Son, yeah this is why we

2403
02:13:08.439 --> 02:13:09.319
can't have nice. Things.

2404
02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:09.960
Yeah.

2405
02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:13.399
Yeah but the other THING i saw in the theater

2406
02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.640
that was really. Exciting it wasn't quite a horror, movie

2407
02:13:15.640 --> 02:13:18.720
but it's horror adjacent WAS i saw Kill bill the

2408
02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:21.239
whole bloody, affair the version of Kill bill where it's

2409
02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:24.560
one movie instead of two. Movies that was. Awesome that

2410
02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:27.960
was a really cool. Experience it had that extended anime. Sequence,

2411
02:13:29.039 --> 02:13:31.920
yeah it. Was it was almost three times as. Long.

2412
02:13:32.640 --> 02:13:33.079
Wow.

2413
02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:37.399
Yeah so one of the characters backstory was told as. Anime,

2414
02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:40.439
yeah and she Was.

2415
02:13:40.560 --> 02:13:45.039
JAPANESE i mean that makes sense if it. Wasn't she

2416
02:13:45.159 --> 02:13:47.000
Will japanese.

2417
02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:50.159
In her, defense her character is is Half japanese and

2418
02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:53.600
half and the other half Is american And. Chinese, Okay

2419
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.279
so her becoming a yakuza boss is like a big

2420
02:13:56.279 --> 02:13:58.239
deal because they consider her like a Half they call.

2421
02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:00.319
Her one guy calls her a half breed and his

2422
02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:03.199
head off and then says, like please feel free to

2423
02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:06.319
bring me any and all, criticisms thank, you and then

2424
02:14:06.359 --> 02:14:10.359
throws the head down on the. Table but more, so

2425
02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:13.600
it's because she was fighting the yakuza and then becomes

2426
02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:15.359
the leader of the yakuza THAT i think is why

2427
02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:18.680
she's why it was done in, anime not just because

2428
02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:21.680
she Was, japanese but because the whole story Was. Japanese

2429
02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:25.760
because she's In japan and her father was a military

2430
02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.760
man and he gets murdered by the yakuza for gambling or.

2431
02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:32.119
Something, yeah, yeah that's like it.

2432
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:35.520
Happens you, know that's just the way it. Goes so but,

2433
02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:37.279
no it was really cool to see And i'd just

2434
02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:42.079
forgotten so much how how integral to my childhood Kill

2435
02:14:42.119 --> 02:14:44.199
bill was because it was like the biggest movie. Ever

2436
02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:45.640
it was such a cool, movie and it came out

2437
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.920
like right WHEN i was freaking, Fifteen like it's perfect

2438
02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:50.720
timing for me to watch it a million. Times, yeah

2439
02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:52.439
so it was really cool to see it in the. Theater.

2440
02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:55.479
Cool so before we get out of, here do we

2441
02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:58.800
have any year end reddit spooky stuff to talk? About?

2442
02:15:00.119 --> 02:15:04.359
Yes so there. WAS i found that there's a subreddit

2443
02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:08.399
called like creepy ask reddit where they where they like

2444
02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.960
put the creepy things from Ask. Reddit they like put

2445
02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:15.479
them there SO i can find them. Maze so there

2446
02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:19.319
was one where let me figure out what the hell this.

2447
02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:24.720
Was it was like it was from what's the biggest

2448
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:28.119
mystery you were? In or someone in your life has

2449
02:15:28.159 --> 02:15:31.319
like yet to be salved or something like that that

2450
02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:37.800
made any word. Sense, so like this person when they

2451
02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:41.960
were a, kid they had gone on vacation with their.

2452
02:15:42.159 --> 02:15:47.159
Family i'm trying to get back to. You and and

2453
02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:52.039
they came. Home the door had been broken, open and

2454
02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:55.600
there was a pool of blood just on the top

2455
02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:58.079
of their landing of their, stairs just a pool of.

2456
02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:01.680
Blood and also there was like some kind of like

2457
02:16:02.079 --> 02:16:05.840
look like bloodish trailish up the, stairs like.

2458
02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:07.640
Bloodish.

2459
02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:11.520
Yeah and also their bathroom cabinet was just like sprayed with,

2460
02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:13.960
blood but nothing was stolen or.

2461
02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:15.000
Anything, okay well that's.

2462
02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:18.119
Nice and the cops originally thought that an animal had

2463
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:21.439
got like given birth or, something but then they found

2464
02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:24.279
out that the blood was human. Blood of, course and

2465
02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.000
the just the families always wondered what the hell, happened

2466
02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:29.119
and that's my.

2467
02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:33.159
Thing so they tested it and said it was human. Blood,

2468
02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:37.280
yeah that's surprises me because that would be expensive AND

2469
02:16:37.360 --> 02:16:39.440
i wouldn't imagine the police would do that if nobody was.

2470
02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:44.079
COMPLAINING i guess they were. COMPLAINING i, mean why is

2471
02:16:44.120 --> 02:16:45.079
their blood all over my? House?

2472
02:16:45.159 --> 02:16:48.440
Yeah somebody broke into their. House, yeah so they, WERE

2473
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:50.360
i guess trying to figure out what.

2474
02:16:50.639 --> 02:16:54.159
Happened that's so. Weird, YEAH i mean my only thought

2475
02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:56.799
would be like that it was something, innocuous like somebody

2476
02:16:56.879 --> 02:17:00.399
was injured and broke into their house to like wash

2477
02:17:00.479 --> 02:17:03.000
themselves or something and then just got out of. It

2478
02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:04.200
probably related.

2479
02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:06.760
To, Crime, YEAH i mean my, thought and a lot

2480
02:17:06.760 --> 02:17:09.479
of people thought like maybe someone came in to commit

2481
02:17:09.520 --> 02:17:11.440
a crime and then they had a medical event and

2482
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:13.799
they were just like so they like went to the,

2483
02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:16.280
bathroom like are there band? Aids is there? Anything and

2484
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:16.719
then they just.

2485
02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:19.600
Left, well like in the Movie The Nice, guys there's

2486
02:17:19.639 --> 02:17:21.479
a part where he busts he does the thing where

2487
02:17:21.479 --> 02:17:24.040
he puts the rag around his fist and busts the

2488
02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:25.959
glass so he can unlock the, door and he like

2489
02:17:26.040 --> 02:17:27.280
unlocks the door and has the door up as he

2490
02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:29.399
holds his hand up and he's completely sliced his wrist

2491
02:17:29.479 --> 02:17:31.840
up on the glass and he's, like, oh he's like

2492
02:17:31.879 --> 02:17:35.920
bleeding to death. Immediately or like that short FILM i

2493
02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:38.680
did where the guy is robbing the two people and

2494
02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:40.559
then he has a gallbladder attack in the middle of.

2495
02:17:40.600 --> 02:17:45.440
It that would. Suck, yeah WHENEVER i have a health,

2496
02:17:45.479 --> 02:17:47.840
Emergency i'm, like imagine IF i were doing something really

2497
02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:49.000
intense and illegal right?

2498
02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:51.159
Now, yeah, yeah then what are you gonna?

2499
02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:56.399
Do and Then i'm, like but why? Imagine, yeah so

2500
02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.920
so all, right before we get out of, Here, chell

2501
02:18:00.319 --> 02:18:04.479
any New year's? Resolutions, No. No on the EMAIL i

2502
02:18:04.559 --> 02:18:06.680
sent you about today's, SHOW i said you had to

2503
02:18:06.719 --> 02:18:07.399
have a New year's.

2504
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.200
Resolution i'm pretty SURE i didn't open that email on

2505
02:18:11.280 --> 02:18:13.200
purpose so THAT i wouldn't know about the.

2506
02:18:13.280 --> 02:18:16.479
Head, well, then can your new year's resolution be to

2507
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.159
open emails more or? Less whichever one you?

2508
02:18:20.200 --> 02:18:23.440
Prefer we can do? More, SURE i, mean that's basically

2509
02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:26.959
impossible except for your, emails but THAT'S i. Guess.

2510
02:18:27.079 --> 02:18:30.120
Yeah, well my new year's resolution is to become a

2511
02:18:30.360 --> 02:18:35.440
moderately decent. Beatboxer. AWESOME i WISH i was. Kidding i'm

2512
02:18:35.440 --> 02:18:35.760
not even.

2513
02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.239
JOKING i think that that's a good.

2514
02:18:38.280 --> 02:18:42.920
GOAL i was using my record, player AND i have

2515
02:18:43.079 --> 02:18:46.360
so many random vinyls that people have given me or

2516
02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:47.760
THAT i found it like a thrift store and just

2517
02:18:47.799 --> 02:18:49.600
took and then FORGOT i had it BECAUSE i didn't

2518
02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:52.319
have a. PLAYER i had A Fat boys record THAT

2519
02:18:52.360 --> 02:18:54.079
i didn't even KNOW i, had AND i played. IT

2520
02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:56.120
i was listening to the guy doing the, beatboxing AND

2521
02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:58.920
i was, LIKE i BET i could go on YouTube

2522
02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:01.879
and learn all the really heavy. Techniques, yeah it'd be,

2523
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:03.760
Great but, like there's some of the tricks that you,

2524
02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:05.239
would like tapping their neck and. STUFF i was, LIKE

2525
02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:06.440
i BET i could learn all of.

2526
02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:11.600
That, YEAH i think, So.

2527
02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:12.920
So don't worry that will not be coming To Weekly.

2528
02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:19.719
Spooky before we get out of, HERE i just want

2529
02:19:19.719 --> 02:19:22.319
to say a heartfelt thank you to everybody who has

2530
02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:26.079
enjoyed the programming over the this, year and especially over

2531
02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:29.559
the last three. Months it's been. Insane i've never produced

2532
02:19:29.879 --> 02:19:31.760
so much content in my. Life i've never been so

2533
02:19:31.840 --> 02:19:33.920
tired in my, life But i've never been so fulfilled

2534
02:19:34.600 --> 02:19:36.920
in my. Life so thank you all so much from

2535
02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:38.959
the bottom of my, heart and thank You chell for

2536
02:19:39.719 --> 02:19:42.959
taking this ride with me every. Month with a plumb,

2537
02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:49.479
yeah you ruined. It, sorry, WELL i was going to

2538
02:19:49.559 --> 02:19:51.840
give you the final word for twenty twenty, five but

2539
02:19:51.879 --> 02:19:53.559
THEN i wasn't because it was going to be. Nice

2540
02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:56.120
so now you ruined, it so you have the final. Word.

2541
02:19:56.200 --> 02:19:57.040
Shell oh.

2542
02:19:57.120 --> 02:20:01.920
Man, YEAH i gotta go take care of my cat

2543
02:20:01.959 --> 02:20:03.159
BECAUSE i flicked her in the.

2544
02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:03.479
Face