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It's okay, no more nightmares tonight.
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Peter threw this.
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Yes, Peter has an overactive imagination.
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You don't hear anything.
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It's just a factory.
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In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two friends dare
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to ask.
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Do You Even?
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Movie?
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Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.
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Spoiler alert, Hello, my friends and spookies. Welcome to a
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very special Halloween Do You Even? Movie? I'm, of course
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your host, Enrique Kuto here with my co host David.
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You won't take just one? Denoyer gets, and I'm spooky greeting.
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Were you were you the one? You were one of
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those kids? Right? You just take more candy than it said.
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I may have been guilty of that.
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I knew it. I knew it.
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But I like twigs. Fun sized twigs are the best.
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I have a problem with considering a smaller portion to
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be the funds. To me, the sack is a fun signed.
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What's fun about less candy.
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That I feel like this is like what's the deal
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with airline food? But yes, yes, as a special treat.
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I know what you're thinking, Hey, this is this is October.
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I think first, Yeah, yeah, that we're airing this that's
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not Halloween, Well yes it is. So we're doing a
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very special all Halloween Movies month here at Weekly Spooky
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and do you even movie? Which is sister podcasts in
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a way, and speaking of sisters.
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Oh man, spoilers.
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Tonight's film is a more recent entry into the world
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of Halloween horror films, a little movie from twenty twenty
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three called Cobweb, and we'll be talking all about that
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here tonight.
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Absolutely, I was so happy to get to show this
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to you that you picked that you allowed me to
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bring this to a Dave pic to the show again.
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I mean allow is a strong word.
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You said, let's do Cobweb. What I told you it
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takes place on Halloween.
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Yeah, well my exact words. We were like, I want
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to do Cobweb and I was like, no, only ones
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on Halloween. It does take looks on Halloween. I was like, oh,
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all right, the end. That's the pre production meetings for
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this show are are very much what about this and
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then me going almost exclusively cool.
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Yeah, so, since it is the spooky season, should we
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talk about the last spooky movie we saw in theaters?
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Real quick? Uh?
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Sure?
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Front room?
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Oh, Yeah, we did. We caught that. Last week we
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saw The front Room starring Brandy.
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Yes, Brandy, what's what's her actual full name?
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Now, she'll always just be Brandy in my millennial heart.
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That's fair, so especially my elder millennial heart.
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So yeah. The latest day twenty four film The front
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Room starring Brandy Norwood, Aaron Bernapp, and Catherine Hunter. Directed
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by Max Eggers and Sam.
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Eggers, the the other Eggers brothers. I don't know I
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feel about the fact that is it Robert Eggers. Robert Eggs,
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He's had this big career and then his brother. Then
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you hear this movie by the Eggs brothers, You're like, oh,
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it's not that Eggers's he's off doing his own thing.
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But I have to say, for a feature directorial debut,
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hell of a debut.
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It was strong. Yeah, it was definitely strong.
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It it was gross and weirdss and honestly much more
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entertaining than the trailer made me think it would be.
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Absolutely the trailer made me want to see it, but
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I was I was worried it was going to be
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overly preachy or or just I don't know, maybe silly.
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Yeah, it definitely had a silly vibe too in the trailer,
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because I mean the story, if you're not familiar with it,
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is a newly pregnant couple are forced to take in
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and ailing a strange step mother. That's that is the
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plot basically.
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I mean, well, what more do you need?
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Yeah, I mean that that's that's all that that that
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is the basics of it. So if from there it
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just it had a lot of vibes like Saint Maud,
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except better.
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I would say that's in a way that's fair.
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Eah, but uh, the paranoia of the film, the intensity
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of it, the obscure imagery, I mean, it's it's one
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I'm not gonna forget.
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I mean, you know, yeah, as long as you stop
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sticking the Q TIFFs so damn far in your ears?
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Yeah yeah, yeah, so no. But I really enjoyed it
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the front room, and I would recommend if it's still
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playing in theaters near you, it's pretty Are you sure
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it's a twenty four and not in them?
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I thought it was a twenty four because I remember
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what I thought, feel like when it started. I was
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like a twenty four years Like, what who else would
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it be? I feel like you said that.
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That would be twenty four. Okay, okay, well fair enough. Yeah,
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but uh, it's been a bit more of a limited release.
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I do highly recommend you drop what you're doing, especially
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if it's a small child. Yes, you just drop it.
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Go check out the front room. I thought it was
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really scary.
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And you saw afraid, correct?
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I did?
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Yes? How was How was that?
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That was a ton of fun. That's another one that
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kind of came and didn't really make a big splash. Yeah,
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and I don't think it deserves to be maligned. It's
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it's not a reinventing the Wheel kind of movie, but
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it is a taut thriller about a family under siege
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from their basically their home internet system. I don't want
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to say her yeah, because then she'll think I'm trying
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to change the background light. Yeah, but no, it was fun.
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It had one of the biggest downer endings okay, that
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I have seen in a while.
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Awesome.
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When Rachel and I were seeing it, we both were like, whoa, Okay,
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they're going on that's the ending. I mean, it was
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strong and there were a few there were several twists
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and turns. You weren't expecting that I thought were really cool.
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But yeah, it just ends in like a when you
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consider the fact that large language models, which we often
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refer to as artificial intelligence, but they're not exactly the
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same thing. Ye, that they're becoming such a common part
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of our day every day, when algorithms are a major
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part of our day, that movie definitely praise on those
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concerns and fears.
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Pretty well, I'm excited to check it out finally. I
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mean it's it is already on streaming, I believe.
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caught it. I noticed it was like a Monday and
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there was one show that day, so I was like,
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I want to in the theater and it was it
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was worth the time.
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There you go.
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I liked it quite a bit.
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Speaking of downer endings, guess that I revisited a couple
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days ago. What's that it comes at night?
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Well, that calling that a downer ending is kind of
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an under cell David. Yeah, I love that movie.
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It's so good. It is even better on a second watch.
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The only film in the history of my life and
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possibly the entire world, that I posted a photo of
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my ticket stuff on Instagram and someone came at me.
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Not I mean, they weren't being a total jerk, but
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just saying like, that movie sucked. I hated it. Blah
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blah blah blah blah. Yeah, and then we discussed it
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back and forth and by the end of we had
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to move it to DMS so we didn't spoil it. Yeah,
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but by the end of the disketch, she was like,
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it really does work on that level.
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It does.
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I actually want to watch it again. I think I
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like it now. Yeah, And I was like, well, that's
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never that's never happened.
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It's a crisp ninety minutes. I mean probably like eighty
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five with credits, but it's it flies by. Oh for sure,
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it's so good.
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Yeah, that'd be a good one to visit it your
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Halloween season. Absolutely, But yes, so we're gonna be watching
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or we're gonna be talking about Cobweb from twenty twenty three,
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which you can watch right now with a subscription to Hulu. Yes,
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so if you haven't watched it yet and you want
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to pause this podcast and give it a watch, I
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highly recommend that. Yes, But I will say, even after
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we spoil everything, the atmosphere the acting. The performances make
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it work regardless.
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Absolutely. I think what really sold me the first time
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watching it, besides the third act twist or reveal, was
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just overall I felt like a little kid with Peter
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watching this movie, like it the way that it shot,
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the way that it has the composition of him in
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his bedroom, especially with things being bigger than him as
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a little kid. It's just it took me back to
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being a kid watching movies during Halloween time, like on AMC,
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Monsterfest or sci Fi and whatnot. Like it was, this
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was just a super fun movie.
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Well, and here's a piece of trivia. I bet you
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didn't yet, Oh, I happen to know dot cobweb.
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Go ahead.
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They cast a child that was not the size of
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a normal adult in order to make the rooms seem bigger.
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I hate you right now. I hate you. You read
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to get into it.
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But before we do, I do want to remind you
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if you have a film you'd like us to consider reviewing.
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If you have a question about the show, or even
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a question about a movie, we've answered a few of
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those two. You can email us at do you even
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movie Pod at gmail dot com, or go to douevenmovie
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dot com and get a hold of us. So I
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just wanted to mention that I don't think we have
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any emails this week. For shame.
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I am so sad for shame. We need more.
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We'll find out at the end of the show when
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I take my phone out of my pocket. But I
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don't want to be tempted to fiddle with it.
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That's fair.
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So sore you ready to get into this, Let's jump
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right in.
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Cobweb CO twenty twenty three, one hour and twenty eight minutes.
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Rate it R for violence and some some language.
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Now I have to say, I don't know that there's
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been another film called Cobweb.
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There's a Korean film I think from twenty five to
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three count like the same year.
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Wow, that's funny though. Yeah, well my point, my point
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is the perfect tagline is what they really missed out on.
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What's that The tagline should have been, you know, cobweb
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and then it'd be like it's still in your hair ooh,
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because yeah, you ever walk into a cobweb a.
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Lot lately, more than I would like to admit, honestly.
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What what? What rooms are you not entering anymore that
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are covered in cobweb.
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It's not that, so, you know, I said on the
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show a couple of weeks ago that, yeah, it is
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also twenty twenty three that the Korean cobweb did come out.
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Oh my gosh. I did say on the show a
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couple of weeks ago that I did have some car
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repairs done recently, some some maintenance of my car, and
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therefore I didn't have my car for a few days.
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So I drove around a spare truck that my father has,
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and there is a spider that lives inside the mirror
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of the left side.
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It lives inside a Russian space station, a mirror.
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A mirror, It lives inside the mirror on the side
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of the car, and I brush away its web several times,
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and then like it felt like it was getting back
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at me, because every day I would go to walk
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to this truck, I would walk through another cob web,
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like from the coming around the front of the car.
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Well, you are in its home. That reminds me of
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that meme where it's like me destroys a spider web.
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Spider wow, me puts up fake cobwebs for Halloween. Spider wow. Yeah,
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pretty great. Yeah, you know, we filmed Haunted House and
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Sorority Row in this little quasi abandoned house. Yeah, in Waynesville, Ohio.
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We never took the fake cobwebs down, and years later
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when we came back to film again, real cobwebs that
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intertwined with the fake cobweb had so we just kind
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of let nature take its course.
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Was Haunted House, the movie where we also had all
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the dead ladybugs in the front area.
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Yes, so what We filmed the first half of that
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film at the end of September. Yeah, and then we
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rest of it. So in that time there had been
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a freeze, so there were just piles of dead, dead
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get out, it would have been really funny.
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a little bit more adorable.
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He gets his start in two thousand and eight by
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directing the Gaujira music video for Vacuity. He goes to
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shoot in twenty thirteen, a series of which he writes
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in directs called Lazy Company Tank. In twenty sixteen, he
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also writes and directs Mary Anne. In twenty nineteen, he
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also writes and directs. He does Cobweb in twenty twenty three,
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can't remember which.
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I thought it was a movie. I've already watched it,
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but I think i'd seen it right.
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I've heard good. I just haven't had chance to watch
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it yet. Moved out to our writer. We have Chris
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Tomlas Devlin. He has two credits on his writing, first
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one being in twenty twenty two the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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the Netflix.
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One Oh Yes, that I was not expecting.
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And then goes Cobweb in twenty twenty three.
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It's just the twenty eighteen borrowing Halloween with Sally Hardesty
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character just still irks me a lot.
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awesome things that Halloween twenty eighteen did with a returning character. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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two thousand and two. He does a lot of second
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assistant camera and second unit stuff Transporter in two thousand
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and two, quicksand two thousand and three, Something's Gotta Give
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Before Sunset, Sex and the City episodes, District B thirteen,
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Christmas in Love, Unleashed, the Black Box, The Tiger Brigades,
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Sopranos in two thousand and six, Devilwares Prada, A good Year,
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Mister Bean's Holiday Rush Hour, Mears Enter the Void was
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one that caught my eye.
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Followed by Julian and Julia Now You See Me, Night Fair,
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The nun To two as recently as last year, but
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it wasn't until twenty eleven. He gets his first director
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of photography credit with Destination One. He shoots the Crew
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in twenty fifteen, Carpenter Brutes Turbo Killer, which is a
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music video. Let's Dance in twenty nineteen, Maryanna in twenty nineteen,
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so another Bodin project. He does Blood Machines, the Shutter
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film in twenty nineteen.
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I don't know if I watched that one.
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I didn't get a chance to watch it, but I've
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heard it is wild. It was one of those like
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early ones that was like the original Shutter Yeah, Resents
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Thing a Redemption Day in twenty twenty one, Darknet series
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in twenty twenty two, Can's Confidential in twenty twenty three,
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shoots Cobweb in twenty twenty three, followed by Furries or
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you Know What's gonna happen?
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Got Him? Got Him Kids? Wait, where the where's the
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one there? Please?
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No David Furys in twenty twenty four.
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You know somebody just won ten bucks because they were
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betting on who was gonna say Furries first on the
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show That's Fair, and it was David. That's Fair.
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Do You Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back
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to Do You Even?
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Movie?
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So moving down to our IMDb synopsis, we have an
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eight year old boy tries to investigate the mysterious knocking
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sounds that are coming from inside the walls of his house,
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unveiling a dark secret that his sinister parents have kept
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hidden from him.
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It's a pretty solid description.
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My synopsis, Oh boy, here we go. Bullied eight year
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old suspects his parents are harboring a dark secret when
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he keeps hearing knocking inside his bedroom walls at night.
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I'm gonna give that a wash. I think they're both
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pretty good.
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All right, I did it two weeks in a row.
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All right, wash is not a wind, Yeah, but fair enough.
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You both You both came in second place, so you're.
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So participation trophy awesome.
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Yeah, yeah one.
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Moving to our cast, we have Lizzi Kaplan who plays
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Carol in the film, and she gets her start in
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nineteen eighty nine Witheks and Geeks Ahi.
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That's where I remember first seeing her.
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Undeclared in two thousand and one, Orange County two thousand
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and two, Everybody's Doing It two thousand and two, Smallville
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in two thousand and two, The Pits, Mean Girls in
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two thousand and four, True Calling in two thousand and five,
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Love is the Drug Family, Guy crashing the class, Cloverfield
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in two thousand and eight, My Best Friend's Girl, True Blood,
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American Dad Party Down in two thousand and nine, Hot
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Tub Time Machine in twenty ten, One hundred and twenty
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seven Hours two thousand and ten, as well The Cleveland Show,
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High Road Children's Hospital, Batchel Threat, New Girl in twenty
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twenty twelve, newsreaders Masters of Sex Krawl showed the league
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the interview the night before Now You See Me Too,
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Simpson's Disaster Artist, Extinction, Castle Rock, Inside Job, Fatal Attraction series.
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By the way, in twenty twenty three.
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I didn't even know that was that's such a thing existence.
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Yeah, Cobweb in twenty twenty three, of course, is her
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last credit. Right now. I do want to say that
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I revisited the Now You See Me films recently. Have
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you ever seen those?
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No, No, they're a lot of fun. I've heard they're funny.
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Yeah, she's really good in the second one. But I
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just those were a lot of fun revisiting those recently.
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And also, I just wo, you heroes so much fun
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to watch in most movies.
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I mean, it would be bad if he was bad
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to watch in most movie.
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He wasn't a big part of my favorite in the
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Venom sequel, harsh I'm just saying.
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Well, you heard it here first, folks, David hates what
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he harold, I do not hate what heroes. Well, I
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think we need to get the conversation back on rapart Place.
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Anthony Starr plays Mark in the film. He gets his
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start in nineteen ninety five with Xena Warrior, Princess Street
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Legal in two thousand, Terror Peak two thousand and three,
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Hard Out Mercy Peak Without a Paddle in two thousand
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and four, Not only but Always in two thousand and four,
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Serial Killers two thousand and four, The World's Fastest Indian
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in two thousand and five, Outrageous Fortune Series in two
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thousand and five, naming number two Spies and Lies, Bliss
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in twenty ten, I Wish You Were Here twenty twelve,
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Tricky Business Banshee, American Gothic in twenty sixteen, American Sausage
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quite a title. And then in twenty nineteen he lands
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a little series called The Boys.
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Ah Yes When It Was Very Good in twenty nineteen.
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Anti Donna's Big Old House of Fun in twenty twenty,
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Guy Richie's The Covenant in twenty twenty three, cob Web
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in twenty twenty three, and also jen V in twenty twenty.
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Three, which is The Boy's spinoff spinoff y series.
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Yea, and I think He's also credited on the other one.
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They're doing now.
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Yeah, I don't remember what that one's called.
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I can't either. Wrapping us up for our cast. We
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also have Woody Norman, who plays Peter in the film.
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He could just start in twenty fifteen on a show
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called Silent Witness Peter and Wendy. In twenty fifteen him
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The White Princess The Current War. Remember how many trailers
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we saw that movie and then it never came out.
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Oh test movie. Well, he must have been like a
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zygoat in those guys. He's a little kid in twenty twenty. Well,
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I think the shot in twenty two two.
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But Yill Troy, Fall of the City in twenty eighteen,
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lemzirob Twenty nineteen, Catastrophe twenty nineteen, Bruno twenty nineteen, No,
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not that Bruno. The War of the World's in twenty nineteen,
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The Small Hand, Come On, Come On in twenty twenty one,
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cob Web in twenty twenty three, and also in twenty
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twenty three, The Last Voyage of the Meter He's the
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young kid on the boat.
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Oh shit, was another underappreciated flick.
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Yeah, I would, I do need to revisit it. I
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remember the ending was the only thing I kind of
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had gripes with.
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Well, we all know how it's gonna end, but two weeks,
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but do we? So?
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Cobweb, as Enrique said, is currently available to stream on Hulu.
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You can also get a pretty cheap blue right. I
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think I got mine for thirteen Lucky thirteen Lucky thirteen,
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and it also comes to digital copy, so now I
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have it forever.
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So we already know your first time watching cob Web,
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because it was just now.
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I remember it like it was yesterday.
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I had seen the trailers with you and theaters of course. Yeah,
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and we I remember us being like that looks good.
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Oh, we wanted to catch it. Yeah, it ended up
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playing in our local area, if at all, very briefly. Yeah.
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And October, believe it or not, is a very very
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busy time, especially for both of us at that period
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of time when you had the ghost tours starts going on, yep,
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and I have weekly spooky stuff going on. October is
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always tough. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm doing thirty one releases
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on Weekly Spooky in thirty one days. You're a master
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no something.
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But so unforthuably we missed it in theaters. I kind
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of had forgotten about it, and then I saw that
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Hulu got it and it popped up on my like
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a feed one day.
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It's been in my watch list for like since it
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got there originally.
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Yeah, So one day I was I had I had
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some time, so I popped it on and I was
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at work for my processing shifts on a Saturday, and
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so I was watching like the first I think probably
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hour and I got to write about the hour mark
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and I had to leave and go home. I didn't
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watch the rest of it that day, So it was
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the next morning that I was like, well, I gotta
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do some laundry, so I'll pop this on and finish it.
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And then when that third act hit, I was just like,
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holy shit, this movie is awesome, Like it was already
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about like a three star when I was watching it.
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Well, I have to say, I do think you did
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this film a disservice watching it while somewhat distracted. Yeah, no, absolutely,
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because even as we were watching it, my home is
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in a lot of flux right now. My my partner,
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my girlfriend just moved in and we're still getting everything
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organized and not everything's done. So I couldn't pull down
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my giant crazy movie screen. We just watched it on
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my my only on my sixty five inch TV. I'm
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I'm such a bitch. But for we only we watched
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it on the TV set. Yeah, and even on the
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TV set, I was very shocked by how engrossing the
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atmosphere yeah was for this film. So I do think
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that you're lucky that you ended up seeing the final
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third act where things go crazy, yeah, because at least
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then you were a bit more engrossed.
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Yeah, I will want you know, I should have been
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on a movie size screen made for movies.
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Yeah, I should have watched it on like a Nokia.
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But so I was blow away by the third act.
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I think I immediately texted you and I was just like,
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have you seen Cobweb yet?
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And I was like, I was like, why do I
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need to clean the corners in my room?
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So I was really happy when we decided to pick
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this for the show. When we decided, well I suggested it,
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and then we decided.
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Okay, it's democracy enough, are you ready to get into it?
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I thought we already were.
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All right, well we're breaking down the movie now. So
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we open with the perfect text, because if you're gonna
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have a Halloween movie, you know, why not have it
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take place near Halloween where it says one week before
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Halloween and we're off to the races with.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah, and it's the movie is very fall. Yes,
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I will say, not a complaint, but just an observation.
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They did kind of do the I mean like they
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did the Halloween fall feel, but they didn't lean into
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it to the extent of a lot of other films.
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And I think that that was on purpose. I don't
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00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.000
think it was because they didn't care to or couldn't.
489
00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:47.920
I think that they really wanted you to just kind
490
00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.759
of have this simplistic understanding of like, here's their home,
491
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.559
and here's the dark corridors, and here's his bedroom, and
492
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.759
here's what it's like at night, and then a little
493
00:22:57.759 --> 00:22:59.240
bit of here's his school, in a little bit of
494
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.559
here's his neighborhood, and hears his backyard. But for the
495
00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:05.599
most part, the house is almost a character of its own.
496
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.960
Funny you mentioned that that might come back in the trivia.
497
00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.200
Yeah, well, I mean the house is it's not it's
498
00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.880
an old enough house to be noticeable. Yeah, but it's
499
00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:19.440
not decrepit, it's not falling apart, it's not you know,
500
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:24.359
a traditional haunted house style, but they light the hell
501
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:28.160
out of it to make it really truly creepy. Yes
502
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:28.519
they do.
503
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.359
So we meet Peter and we see bits and pieces
504
00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:32.759
of his life in the credits. We kind of get
505
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:34.599
a little bit a taste of the school life, the
506
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:40.200
home life, and not really much into what's wrong yet basically.
507
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:44.599
And this kid is perfect casting. Yeah, he is such
508
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:50.240
a morose little boy, which I found very impressive in
509
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.119
the performance of such a young actor. And just because
510
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.799
just the way he talks, the way he carries himself,
511
00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.720
the way his hair styled, everything about him is very
512
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.759
dour and shy at the same time.
513
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.119
Yeah, it absolutely is. And I mean what I really
514
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.359
like about Woody Norman in the role is that you
515
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:13.319
immediately feel for this kid just by the way that
516
00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.240
he presents himself.
517
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.200
Yeah. I know that you generally have trouble empathizing with
518
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.559
children for some reason. Shut up and something bad. APIs
519
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:20.960
a kid in the movie. You're like, serves, You're right,
520
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:21.519
your little shit.
521
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.680
At least, I'm not like Keith, who just laughed at
522
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.599
Halloween ends when the kid just hit the ground.
523
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.519
Well spoilers, No, I mean, well, you know, Keith, we
524
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.759
love you, Keith, we love it here. You're a dark
525
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:32.240
son of a bit.
526
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.559
So we see we see Peter in his room. He
527
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.519
hears a noise. He's laying in bed. He here's a noise,
528
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.720
and so he runs to his wall and turns the
529
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.559
light on, and the noise stops and the room illuminates,
530
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.279
and we see that the house itself isn't like you
531
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.319
said it's it's not not the king. But there's a
532
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.200
lot of decay around the house. There's a pumpkin patch
533
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.400
in the backyard that's got some rotting pumpkins in it.
534
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.720
There's a lot of leaves around the property. It's it
535
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:54.799
has a fall look to it for one.
536
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.240
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
537
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.319
So the house itself has a cane look to it.
538
00:24:58.359 --> 00:24:59.759
And he goes to his wall. He puts his ear
539
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.559
to the wa and he sees if he can hear anything,
540
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.880
and he also knocks at the wall, and something knocks
541
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:04.680
back at him.
542
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.920
Which is the thing you're really hoping doesn't happen late
543
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.240
at night when you knock on a wall. Yeah, you're
544
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.799
hoping not to hear a knock knock knock back.
545
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:13.079
Knock back.
546
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:13.359
Though.
547
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.839
So he goes to his parents room. He runs in
548
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.000
and he's scared, and his mom goes to the wall
549
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.240
and she knocks at the wall but nothing comes back.
550
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.720
Well, I guess girls can't do it.
551
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.039
She also tells him it's an old house and it's
552
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.200
bound to have its quirks.
553
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.759
This old house with Bob, y Las House with Bob.
554
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.319
So we see Peter then go to school. He's getting
555
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.160
on the bus and he is tripped by a bully
556
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.480
named Brian, who tells him he'll get more at Recess dam.
557
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.319
So Peter's classroom is chaotic. There's kids running around screaming.
558
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.680
The principal comes in and introduces a new teacher who
559
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.960
is mistivine, and as the principal walks out, I love
560
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:48.039
that he says good luck.
561
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.880
Yeah, yeah, which which honestly felt a little out of place,
562
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:57.119
because really the only strife in that classroom was the
563
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.920
kid bullying, yeah, our main character. Otherwise the kids were
564
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:05.400
not particularly unruly or whatever. So I kind of took
565
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.240
it that a little bit as maybe that I don't know,
566
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.279
like more of like a playful jar, like a jab.
567
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.160
I mean good luck because they're just a bunch of
568
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:14.640
little kids.
569
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.319
Because honestly, I mean, we don't get much time with
570
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.160
the principle obviously in the film, but he does seem
571
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.359
to be genuinely a good dude, even though he calls
572
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:24.720
her out at one point, but we'll get it there.
573
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.240
Well, he's trying to take care of business.
574
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.359
So Miss Divine comes in and we also see that
575
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.319
the kid that was taunting Peter Brian is in his
576
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.279
classroom and we hear the bell sound and he's like,
577
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.240
Recess is coming. Oh yeah, So Miss Devine's in the classroom.
578
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.319
She turns around and realizes that Peter is still in
579
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:40.960
the classroom with her, and she's like, you know, oh,
580
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.440
you don't like Recess and he's like, not really.
581
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.960
Yeah, he uh, he's what we would to quote what
582
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.759
hot American summer, an indoor indoor kid. Yes.
583
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.200
So we also see that Peter is startled by a
584
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.400
spider that's crawling across his desk, and Miss Divine sees
585
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.599
this and she shows him a really cute scene how
586
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.359
to trap the spider and go.
587
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.400
She shows him a scene, shows a a scene. She
588
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.000
just like pulls out her iPad and she's like.
589
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.680
See this and she shows him and it's a cute.
590
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.480
Is a very cute scene. No, because she doesn't just
591
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.200
capture the spider to spare him the fear. Yeah, she
592
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.519
catches the spider under her glass and shows him how
593
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.480
to do the paper trick and then has him let
594
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.240
it go on the window, which I thought was actually
595
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.759
a really endearing moment, suggesting that she has a lot
596
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.440
of empathy with children.
597
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.720
Absolutely, and I really just like her character. As we
598
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:29.799
get more in the movie, she's awesome.
599
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.000
Why would anyone like that character? Crazy? Right?
600
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.000
So they get the spider, they throw it safely out
601
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.960
the window, and then that night at home, Peter tells
602
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.680
his family that he wants to trick or treat and
603
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.880
asks why can't he, and his mom says, you know, well,
604
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.839
we're not like the other parents, and his dad even
605
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:46.839
starts speaking up that there was an old house at
606
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.400
the air. There is an old house at the end
607
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.400
of the street. A couple of years ago a little
608
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.200
girl went missing and she was never found and it
609
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.599
happened on trigger treating, and they don't want the same
610
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.119
thing to happen to him. Mmm.
611
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.240
See, I would have liked it more if the mother
612
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.880
had been like, do you want to SSP? And he'd
613
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.640
be like, no, say it, I don't want to SSP,
614
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.920
no say it. I don't want to suck Satan's packer.
615
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.559
Oh my god, I knew that was it.
616
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.279
Why do you know, SSP. Me just had a feeling
617
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.599
that worries me that you knew that.
618
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.039
So he goes to school again that night, and he
619
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.119
goes to school, goes to sleep again that night.
620
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.440
Of course, he goes to school again that night, and.
621
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.160
We see that the wall is starting to pull basically
622
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.200
a nightmare and elm Street.
623
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.039
Yeah, a kind of a head shape is pressing through
624
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:39.359
the wallpaper. Yeah, and it definitely looks like the human
625
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.200
sized head actually looks kind of like a child does.
626
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.759
And Peter is called to again by the voice, this
627
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.279
time actually saying his name. So Peter calls to his dad.
628
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.240
The voice says, no, don't tell him, but it's too late.
629
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.640
The dad comes in and tells him. He's like, you
630
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.160
know what's going on. He's like, I heard the voice again,
631
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.480
and he's like, Peter like he's he's aggravated. So he's
632
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.480
not thrilled hearing this, but he tells him that, you know,
633
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.799
all right, we'll take a look at this then, because
634
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.160
Peter swears that he heard the voice, so his dad puts
635
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.279
his ear to the wall, and of course he hears nothing,
636
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.640
so he says, well, it must be rats.
637
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.640
Must be rats, And what do you do about rats?
638
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.279
Dave, you get rat poison? So you go see that.
639
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:18.839
Peter and his dad are in the shed the next
640
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.640
morning and he's showing him the rat poison as he
641
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.759
hasn't grabbed the bag. They comment on the fact that
642
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:24.279
it also smells like cinnamon.
643
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.519
Yeah, well because the boy, of course he's gonna smell
644
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.119
it and stuff. He's never been around rat poison.
645
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.799
Yeah, So they start putting it against the walls, and
646
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.319
Peter is sad about killing the rats, but his dad explains,
647
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.559
you know that sometimes you have to do something bad
648
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:36.680
to have something good happen.
649
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.480
And all I could think was, Yeah, if you hate
650
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.519
hearing knocking on the walls, why not go for the
651
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:47.000
smell of decaying flesh in the walls rat poison. You're
652
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.839
gonna end up with dead rats in your wall?
653
00:29:50.880 --> 00:30:01.359
Do you even move? He will be right back. Welcome
654
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.400
back to do you even movie?
655
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.319
Have you ever told the gopher story? I'm in my
656
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.839
life on the show. I don't know when I very
657
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.000
quick story when I worked at my last stage oh,
658
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.960
I can say stuff now, Yes, is that dumb shit retired?
659
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.799
My former boss he retire, Yeah, hopefully he found a
660
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.160
good iceberg to float off into the ocean on the
661
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.039
son of a bitch. So I had a job at
662
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.400
a cable access station for a few years. My boss
663
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:41.079
was a really just a what's the word solid gold asshole.
664
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.519
He was use real prick. And one time we had
665
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.839
a gopher problem at the station and we have this big,
666
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.559
single floor building with a stone foundation, and we were
667
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:59.359
having gopher issues. Well, his cheap and stupid ass decides,
668
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.480
because he was the executive director, he decides, We're not
669
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.000
going to hire somebody to come and catch it. We're
670
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.960
not going to hire somebody to professionally remove it, kill it, whatever. No,
671
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.440
what we're gonna do is we're gonna take the production truck. Now,
672
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.799
when you have a television production truck, the way it
673
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.279
works is very simple. You have a truck, but then
674
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.519
in the back you have a studio where the switchers
675
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.680
and the soundboards are, and you need power to run it.
676
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.480
So you have a separate generator that runs the truck.
677
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.640
And because you know you're gonna have people with cameras
678
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.920
around the truck. You don't want that generator spewing carbon
679
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.880
monoxide into everybody's lungs. Yeah, so you have a little
680
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.880
there's a little stretchy tube that lets you run it
681
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.759
about let's say, twenty feet from the truck so it
682
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:50.279
can just ditch it out. Yeah. So dumbass takes the
683
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.319
tube and sticks it into the hole that he's figured
684
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.519
out where the gopher goes, and just flips the generator
685
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.880
on and leaves it on for like five hours, flooding
686
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.319
a hole with poisonous, toxic carbon monoxide, which would most
687
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:08.000
certainly kill a Yeah, would kill kill anybody. Yeah, it
688
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.920
would kill anything down there, as long as it needs
689
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.079
oxygen to live. David.
690
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.319
Hopefully Freddy wasn't down there, Oh poor Freddy.
691
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.400
But anyway, so he does this on a Friday or no, yeah,
692
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.559
on a Friday, Thursday. No, it was on a Thursday Thursday.
693
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.319
And then I come into work on Saturdays because I
694
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:28.759
work full day Saturday, and it is fucking the Amityville horror. Yeah,
695
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:33.519
the entire building is just swarmed with flies because there
696
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:40.480
is a big, bloated, rotting, dead gopher underneath the building. Yeah,
697
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.799
it was awful. It smelled the flies were I'm not kidding,
698
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.640
there were so many flies. So Monday he has to
699
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.519
call an exterminator and have them crawl under there and
700
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.759
get the body out. And all I could think was,
701
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.720
you know, you could have started there.
702
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:02.160
Yeah, how'd you guys get the flies out.
703
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.920
By removing the body. The flies have no reason to
704
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.480
stick around around yet, and they don't live very long anyway,
705
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.559
And we put up some of those sticky fly trapstick
706
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.240
But it was it was ainus. Man.
707
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.880
That sounds so gross, it was.
708
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.920
It was so gross. And I should have known from
709
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.640
that moment on, like this motherfucker is gonna suck yeah
710
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:20.200
to work.
711
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.920
For that probably should have been aside.
712
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.359
You know, hindsight is twenty twenty, especially when you're looking
713
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:26.400
at an ass like him.
714
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:27.079
That is true.
715
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.640
I don't even know if that was a funny joke,
716
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:29.640
but fuck you anyway.
717
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.720
So the next morning, mister Vine comes over and she's
718
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.279
showing Peter's mom a drawing that he had that he
719
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.240
had made in class, and we see that it is
720
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.920
a sketching of Peter at a window. It's a drawing
721
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.279
of Peter at the window saying help me, and that
722
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.839
there's blackness all around the house.
723
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.599
It's a very creepy picture. It's just a little boy,
724
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.680
solid blackness with one little bubble of white, so that
725
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.279
help me can be written in there.
726
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.000
But it does. We don't know if he's calling it
727
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.720
because that's basically what he's going to defend, because his
728
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.839
mom states, oh, it's just an overactive imagination. So Miss
729
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.319
Devine leaves. His mother immediately goes to his room, asking
730
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.880
him about the drawing, and when she turns under his breath,
731
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.440
he says, you know, I was the one saying it.
732
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.920
She is, And his mom turns back and she's like,
733
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.559
what did you say, And he's like nothing, and she's like, uh,
734
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.280
you have an overactive imagination. It might get you into
735
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:18.559
trouble someday.
736
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.039
It might. It might, Yeah, you might end up in
737
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:26.559
show business. Well I actually have a I have a
738
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.400
drop for that.
739
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.800
What and quit show business.
740
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.119
So that night, the voice calls to Peter once again,
741
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.519
telling him not to be afraid. It just wants to talk.
742
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.920
Yeah, I mean that's that's that's what my Ouiji board
743
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:40.599
always tells me.
744
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.519
So Peter denies her at first, stating that, you know,
745
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.960
he doesn't want to talk, and that she's like Okay, well,
746
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:48.480
I thought you just wanted a friend. But if you
747
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.960
don't want a friend, I'll just go away. And that's
748
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.320
what Peter's like, No, no, no, like, let's talk. So
749
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.559
the next morning, in Miss Divine's class, Peter paints a
750
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:55.440
pumpkin that.
751
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.880
They have in the class.
752
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:57.880
Peter paints a pumpkin.
753
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.639
There we go, good job, and he names it yeah yeah,
754
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:04.639
and she goes it looks like a hector And I'm like,
755
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.760
that lady and that boy are racist.
756
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.239
Mister Vine compliments him on the name. We also see
757
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.400
that Brian is eyeing Peter in class, and later at
758
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.719
recess we see that Brian pushes Peter because Peter's hanging
759
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.480
out with his pumpkin. At recess, I did notice that
760
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.039
this team.
761
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:19.559
He pulls a Tommy Doyle.
762
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.119
Yes, and he pushes him on the pumpkin and then
763
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:23.440
stops on the pumpkin.
764
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.559
He pulls a Tommy Doyle and then he oh no,
765
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:34.719
and then oh god, I can't even get it. Oh no, no,
766
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:42.639
it's not even that funny. Yeah, forget it. No, no,
767
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.039
I now I can't even think of his name. I
768
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.719
was gonna the guy of the musician. The world is
769
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.320
a van pulls Tommy Doyle and then he pulls a
770
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.199
Billy Gordon vice Magic, you you destroyed the joke, David.
771
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.360
You took the joke out behind a biker bar, shot
772
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.880
it in both made it admit it was a cop,
773
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.679
and then killed it. Toby Doyo, that a Billy Corgan.
774
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:05.800
I like that. You're welcome.
775
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.599
That's pretty good. So that night, the voice calls to Peter,
776
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.360
checking in on him and tells him that tomorrow he
777
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.400
needs to stand up for himself. And the next day
778
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.840
we're back in class and Brian along with his mother
779
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.159
show up as Brian's holding a pumpkin that she presents
780
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.159
to Peter as Brian apologizes, and mister Vine's like, wasn't
781
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.000
that nice of Brian?
782
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:26.360
Class and Brian even like haphazardly sharp eyed a new
783
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:30.440
face on it. But boy, is Brian not into this apology?
784
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.119
No, but no, Peter's not into the apology. Well wait,
785
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.440
Peter is the one getting the pumpkin. Brian's the bully.
786
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.760
Brian is also not into the he's the one giving
787
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.400
the apology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no he is. He is
788
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.400
not all about this. He is clearly being coerced. He is,
789
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.119
but maybe maybe he'll catch a lucky break.
790
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.800
So we hear the voice also is Peter's still in class,
791
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.519
He's remembering what the voice said to him, continuing saying
792
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.679
that she wanted him to not be afraid anymore, and
793
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.800
tell him that you're not afraid anymore by making him
794
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:00.800
a raid of.
795
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.480
You, which I mean as a lifestyle guide in life coach,
796
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:06.599
that's solid advice.
797
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.800
Pretty good advice. So we watch Peter stock Brian after
798
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.039
class through some very empty hallways behind you.
799
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.440
Yeah, I don't know where all the other students are,
800
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.000
but why not?
801
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.239
And he follows Brian over we and the camera holds
802
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.920
in place. We watch him go around a corner and
803
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.079
then we hear a Brian go whoa Peter, And then
804
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.599
we hear a thud. We hear Brian screaming for help,
805
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.039
and we cut back to Peter, who is like horrified
806
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:28.920
looking down of Brian because he's pushed him down a
807
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.079
flight of steps and his leg is fucking broken.
808
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.199
It is snapped at an unnatural angle. Yeah, made me
809
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:36.639
very uncomfortable.
810
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.199
So naturally, Peter's parents get called to the school and
811
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.480
Peter is expelled for this, and that night Peter is
812
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.800
scolded by his father for getting violent to solve a problem,
813
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.119
because he says, that's not how our family solved problems.
814
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.039
His mom then even tells his father about the picture,
815
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.280
and that's when his father questions, why would he draw
816
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.119
something like that. Peter stays silent and his dad yells
817
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.280
at him again, and that's when you know, he says,
818
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.960
I did I really did hear her say help me?
819
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.360
And his dad has had enough At this point he
820
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.599
shouts at him that he's grounded. But he's not just grounded, Enrique.
821
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.239
He's going to go in the basement.
822
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.639
Well, he goes to go in his room. He's like, no, no, no,
823
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.199
you're grounded. So I assume in this household, grounded means
824
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.039
you go in the basement. But the basement is bizarre
825
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.559
because there is a small door, not a tiny door,
826
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.840
but a smaller than average door hidden perfectly behind their refrigerator.
827
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.840
So they moved the fridge, unlock the padlock on the
828
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.159
door to the basement, and put the boy down there.
829
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.519
Among just random things.
830
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.320
Is he changed or does he find the chain?
831
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.159
I think he ends up chained. At one point he
832
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.599
picks up a palette, which is what he's chained to. Yeah,
833
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.199
I'm pretty certain, so, but uh no, and it's it's
834
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.360
it is eerie. It's very eerie. And but just the
835
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:55.320
fact that he pulled he pulled a reverse, a reverse
836
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.880
parent trap, a reverse house arrests.
837
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:58.559
Yes, you know, we were.
838
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.639
Talking about that. By the way, we cover the movie
839
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.559
house arrest where a bunch of kids locked their parents
840
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:04.159
in a basement.
841
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:05.199
Watched it. We didn't coover yet.
842
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.239
Oh oh, we haven't covered the one. I thought we
843
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:08.000
did talk about them.
844
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.440
We just watched it. Does I want to show it
845
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:09.960
to you?
846
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.480
Oh well, then I hate you. Well, we watched this
847
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.400
movie and we were like, man, what would happen if
848
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.239
it was reversed? Oh yeah, then parents would lock their
849
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.800
kids into the Basement's not as okay, that's not as okay.
850
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.400
So the mother's pleading with him, but the father's adamant,
851
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.159
and Miss Divine is also reprimanded by the principal the
852
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.559
next day for going to visit Peter's house. She states
853
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.719
that she want to make sure he was okay, and
854
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:31.159
the Principle's like, well, you know, did he did he
855
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.559
showup with bruises? Is he peeing his pants? Is he
856
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.760
like talking overtly about sexual stuff? That he shouldn't be
857
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.639
knowing about. If he's not, there's literally nothing we can do.
858
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.639
Yeah, then we and we don't care. Yeah.
859
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:42.679
Basically, well he.
860
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.119
Really is like, we have to mind her own business
861
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:44.920
or we're overstepping.
862
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.519
Yes, So he tells her that if there are no
863
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.800
signs of abuse, they can't do anything, and that the
864
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.239
child missing that you know, the neighborhood, would probably make
865
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.280
any parent over protective, and that's what he thinks is
866
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.760
going on. So Peter in the basement discovers a great
867
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.480
that goes deep down into the ground that he pulls
868
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.280
away from the and that's when we also see that
869
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.079
Peter's mother is watching the washer when the doorbell rings
870
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.000
and Miss Devine has returned to the house.
871
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.440
And I want to mention I had a friggin Mandela
872
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.719
effect that we did an episode about house around so
873
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.679
you did. I literally checked the podcast history because I
874
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.280
was like, did I swore we covered it? No, we
875
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:18.679
just watched it. Well, it was good.
876
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.760
It may become an episode, who knows.
877
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.719
I mean, who can say it's a nineties so in
878
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.840
times like this, but no. So so now we have
879
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.320
this little boy down in the basement, we have this
880
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.039
washing machine pounding and pounding and pounding, and as she
881
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.840
enters the home, things are pretty tense.
882
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.800
Yeah, because initially when she comes to the door, it's
883
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.000
just Carol the mom. And then Mark comes to the
884
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.199
door and he's like, oh no, no, come on in, as
885
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.159
he holds a hammer mind you, Yeah, of course, and
886
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:49.679
he pulls a chair out in the kitchen for her
887
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.360
to sit down. And that's when she notices that he's
888
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:52.440
bleeding like a lot.
889
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.880
Yeah. Yeah, he's bleeding like there's blood running down almost
890
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.559
his whole arm. Yeah. And I want to mention that
891
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:04.679
the most devious thing that should tell you something is
892
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.519
wrong in his family. Yeah, all brunettes, that's not okay.
893
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.199
That's not okay. I say that as a brunette.
894
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.039
So he pulls the cheer out for her. She's like,
895
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.480
you know, you have an asscune you're on there. He's like,
896
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.519
oh no, yeah, I'm just doing some remodeling. It's fine though,
897
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.239
So he goes to work bandaging it. And that's when
898
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.880
Miss Divine asked about, you know, since what are you
899
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:23.800
guys going to do with Peter now since he's been expelled?
900
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.280
You know, what schooling is going to go to and
901
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.320
they're like, oh, we're going to homeschool him.
902
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.679
Well, I mean, what else can you do?
903
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.920
And she's like, you know, I don't know if that's
904
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.400
the best idea. And that's when Carol Kay is kind
905
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:35.519
of like, you know, is there a reason you have
906
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.280
an obsession with my son? Like, you know why you're
907
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.599
coming here? You brought his latest math test. I don't
908
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.679
think this is normal practice for teachers to visit a
909
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:42.440
home this much.
910
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.639
Yeah, no, and it is questionable. Yeah.
911
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.840
And meanwhile, while this is happening, Peter realizes that the
912
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:49.679
Miss Divine is over and we see him go up
913
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.320
the steps and he starts knocking on the door on
914
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.360
the behind the door, But of course the washer's going
915
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.760
and it's banging, so his banging is also getting absolved
916
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:58.719
by that noise. His help me is also getting absolved
917
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.719
by that noise. But she he's sitting at the table
918
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.599
and she still feels uneasy and like, is hearing something absorbed? Absorbed?
919
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:09.280
Absorbed? Yeah? No, But and it's a really cool sequence
920
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.760
because he's kicking and kicking, and then it cuts to
921
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.199
the washing machine banging and banging, yeah, And then it
922
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.320
cuts to them talking and you realize that you can't
923
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.719
tell the difference between the two. Yeah, it's really smart storytelling.
924
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.960
So she goes to leave, and I did want to
925
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.800
mention one thing that I forgot about is she did
926
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.039
write her phone number on top of this math test.
927
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:30.079
Yeah, she's basically slipping him a note, yeah, to call
928
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.559
for help that he needs it needed.
929
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.079
Yeah. So the washer stops being around as she gets
930
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:35.760
up to leave, and just for a split second she
931
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.920
can hear Peter's banging on the wall and even the
932
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.800
dad stops and he's like and she's like, you know what,
933
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.360
what is that? And he's like, oh, it's the washing machine,
934
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.000
as the washing machine starts up again.
935
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.440
Yeah, and and and it's it really is a solid scene.
936
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:51.920
It's so suspenseful. It's intense, and you're waiting for shit
937
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.599
to hit the fan. Yeah, And I love how they
938
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.119
kept making me think it was time for the shit
939
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.599
to hit the fan, and then it doesn't for just
940
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:02.559
a little while longer.
941
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.440
So out in her car, mister Vine finds that she's
942
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.119
forgotten her car keys as she's digging through a purse,
943
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.880
and that's when Mark brings him to her car, still
944
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:08.639
holding the hammer too.
945
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.400
Well, he did say the reason he was bleeding was
946
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:15.760
because he was doing home improvements, So that isn't quite
947
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.559
as shocking that he would have a hammer. And it's
948
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:19.960
not I mean, like, and I could tell you I'm
949
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:21.880
doing some homeprove and stuff, you end up with cuts
950
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.519
all over yourself. Oh yeah, that was a pretty deep cut.
951
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:26.920
But I mean to bring the hammer out to her
952
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:27.760
car with her keys.
953
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:32.119
Well, but think about it if you weren't afraid of
954
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.360
this Brunette family. Fair which you should be afraid of
955
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.079
a Brunette family, But think about it this way. M
956
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.000
what happened from from a perspective of if everything was normal.
957
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.119
He has his hammer, He's about to go back to whatever,
958
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.400
and they say, oh, shoot her keys, grabs it, head
959
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.760
straight to her. You wouldn't grab the keys and be like,
960
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.559
all right, I'm gonna I'm set the hammer down, i
961
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:52.920
gonna fix my hair a little, but I'm gonna take
962
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.039
a shit and then I'll be like, hey, your keys.
963
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:57.840
I would be I would just be more worried about
964
00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.920
looking like I was about to ambush somebody who I
965
00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:00.800
was bringing their keys to.
966
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.559
Well, you know, Dave, most people don't expect to be
967
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.800
murdered wherever they go. But then again, most people don't
968
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.599
talk shit like you do, so my mind immediately goes there.
969
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:10.840
Though. It's like if I'm going out to give my
970
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.119
friends their keys and I have a hammer my hand,
971
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:13.800
I'm like, Oh, they're gonna think I'm gonna kill them.
972
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.079
Like that's where my mind immediate.
973
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.679
That's because you kind of want to, you know. It's
974
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.360
like that old saying that like if you're afraid to
975
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.519
stand at the edge of a ledge, it's because party
976
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.000
you wants to jump, not because you're afraid you'll fall.
977
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:25.360
Do have it?
978
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.159
What was the movie recently where they pulled a Halloween
979
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.519
two with the hammer in the head? Oh, I'm trying
980
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.440
to remember. We talked to it on the show. I
981
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.760
can't remember what the hell was, but yeah, I can't remember.
982
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.079
But uh, I ruined it. I did ruin it, damn it.
983
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.400
But I do love that hammer shot in Halloween too, though.
984
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.760
I mean, I'm glad it's hammertime, ba hamber time. Do
985
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.519
you even?
986
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:55.719
Movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even?
987
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.960
Movie?
988
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.000
So out in her car, she gets her keys and
989
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:04.960
she drives off, and Mark just stands in the road
990
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.559
looking at her. She drives away that night, his mother
991
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.800
comes down to the basement with pumpkin cupcakes and a
992
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:11.960
candle in them.
993
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.519
And and they're all smiles except one is a frown. Yes,
994
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.039
I love that just one is a crown, a frown.
995
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.360
So she's telling him that he can come out now,
996
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.119
even stating that she's made pumpkins for her pumpkin.
997
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:25.440
Aw.
998
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:27.760
So we see Peter getting a bath as his mom
999
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.599
is scrubbing him. His dad is also in the bathroom
1000
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:30.760
and he's like, you know, have you had time to
1001
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.599
think about this? And Peter goes to say that he
1002
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.400
has grown up and he's gonna stop having the nightmares,
1003
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.519
and they tell him that he's also gonna be homeschooled.
1004
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.400
Now he's gonna learn the three rs, Reading, writing, and arithmetic.
1005
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.000
I love that he says the old reading, writing, and arithmetic.
1006
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.400
And then his wife is just like, oh my god,
1007
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.960
I'm sorry, I'm terrible. I'm terrible, and I was just
1008
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:54.039
like creepily wholesome all of a sudden, but okay.
1009
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.519
So we see Peter put to bed by his parents,
1010
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.079
and I want to mention at this point we've already
1011
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.679
talked about the lighting in the film. Anytime Peter is
1012
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.880
in his bedroom late at night. Yeah, there is nothing
1013
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.400
but darkness around his entire bedroom except for like a
1014
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:08.840
spotlight almost on the bed.
1015
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:10.880
Well and even when the door is open so he
1016
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.679
can see into the hallway. Yeah, the hallway has light
1017
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.079
with a little kind of dome of light going across
1018
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.679
the wall, and then pitch black and then another light
1019
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.840
with a little tiny dome of light. All of the
1020
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:27.280
light is extremely focused, with lots and lots and lots
1021
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.679
of shadow. Yeah, and it really pulls you in.
1022
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.159
The shadow works very well in this film especially.
1023
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:33.400
Yeah, I would have to agree.
1024
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.159
So that is when he also decides to talk to
1025
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.079
the person in the wall again and he starts knocking
1026
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.679
and stating, you know, please talk to me. And that's
1027
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.159
when she's like, you know, I was worried about you,
1028
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.800
and he tells it that they locked in the basement.
1029
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.039
She's like, I was afraid they were gonna do that.
1030
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.239
Your parents are dangerous and they're not what they seem.
1031
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.079
And Peter asks if he can see her. He wants
1032
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:53.679
to know, like if he can see her, and she says, no,
1033
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:55.599
it would be bad. You would scream, you wake your parents,
1034
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.159
and it would be bad for both of us, and
1035
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.840
he says no, I won't, and she goes, Okay, Well,
1036
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.519
then come to the wall and peel back this corner
1037
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.400
of wallpaper, and that's when we see that there is
1038
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.199
a hole behind the wallpaper.
1039
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.559
A hole about the size of like a little bigger
1040
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.360
than a baseball. Yeah. Yeah.
1041
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.760
And he goes to look into the hole, doesn't see
1042
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:14.960
anything at first, and then suddenly an eye shoots in
1043
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:15.679
the frame.
1044
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.079
And it is That's the one thing I really liked.
1045
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.639
It's brief. It's really brief, and I from what I saw,
1046
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.159
from what I saw eyes, it didn't seem like an
1047
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.840
unusual eye. No, it's I mean it was dark. Everything
1048
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.199
looks kind of gray in that lighting. Yeah. But just
1049
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.559
the fact that they built it up and built it up,
1050
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.199
and then just that moment of seeing the eye. I
1051
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.000
think the reason that that works so well is because
1052
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.880
you're just hoping that there isn't actually a person in there. Yeah,
1053
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.880
So seeing the eye just confirms your ultimate fulti fear
1054
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:58.119
because you have to think about the layers. Okay, you're
1055
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.119
in a house, a big, old, creepy house. You're always
1056
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.639
scared when you're alone at night. Your parents are overbearing
1057
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.239
and they punish you in ways that are really inappropriate
1058
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.239
and borderline not even borderline abusive, the abusive to put
1059
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:15.920
it in a basement. Yeah, yeah it is, so you
1060
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.360
have that. But now it's like, so if someone is
1061
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.440
living in the walls, then the next question becomes, how
1062
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.159
did they get into the walls? Why are they trapped?
1063
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.039
And then could I end up in the walls? Yes,
1064
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.960
And all of those thoughts are playing at the same
1065
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:37.400
time in a child's mind where he does have a
1066
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:43.360
very strong, a very strong imagination because his nightmares are crazy,
1067
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.480
vivid and really scary. So I love that it plays
1068
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.800
on all those levels though, because like the entire time,
1069
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.400
he's hoping it's a nightmare, or he's mistaken, or he's confused,
1070
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.280
or you know, somebody left a walkie talkie in his wall,
1071
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.679
but no, we have confirmed there's a face looking back
1072
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.559
at you from inside the wall. And that ain't great.
1073
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.639
It is not great because then he goes to ask
1074
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.280
who are you, and that's when she tells him that
1075
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.760
she is his sister and she's been locked behind the
1076
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.599
behind the wall for some time now, hidden behind a
1077
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.039
door that is behind a clock in another room of
1078
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.000
the house. So now that's two hidden terances or exits,
1079
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:19.000
whatever you want to call them.
1080
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.840
Yes, and it's a beautiful big grandfather clock. Yeah that
1081
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:28.239
just tick which also, I don't know if you thought
1082
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:33.920
of this, go ahead, so think about the way things
1083
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.159
are being depicted. He's stuck behind a door, yeah, but
1084
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.400
he has room to stand and stuff. So of course
1085
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.840
he would kick, right, he would kick and punch at
1086
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.400
the door. So we have a washing machine covering that sound.
1087
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.679
If you're trapped behind a door and you don't have
1088
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.280
room to stand up, what can you do to try
1089
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:56.199
to get out, David? Kick or scratch or scratch? Yeah?
1090
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:03.079
And what could cover a scratch kick? Just the thought
1091
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:04.920
of it just came to me as we were talking
1092
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.280
about it. But that's why this movie works on a
1093
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.360
lot of levels. It keeps it really simple the whole
1094
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.519
way through in a very effective way. This is one
1095
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.679
of my one of my the most This is the
1096
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.039
most impressed I've been by a modern Halloween time movie.
1097
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.639
We're not going to count the Halloween sequels, but since
1098
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.880
maybe hell Fest or uh well, if we're talking a
1099
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.559
theatrical movie, because it was technically theatrical movie, or definitely
1100
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.920
what was that one that was on shutter Trick, Haunt,
1101
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.000
Thank You was Haunt, Haunt was the was probably the
1102
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.840
king of Halloween time new releases. So I think this
1103
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.440
one really does deserve a place. I mean, we'll talk
1104
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.000
about that more when we're done talking about the film,
1105
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.559
but it really deserves a place in your Halloween viewing
1106
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.199
at least one one year.
1107
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.440
Absolutely for sure. So she tells him that his parents
1108
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.519
are evil and to be careful because his time is
1109
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.320
coming soon, because she believes that the are going to
1110
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.519
kill her and put him in the wall next.
1111
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.639
And why wouldn't he believe the girl trapped in the wall. Yeah,
1112
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:11.760
so his parents already trap in places sometimes, Yeah, they do.
1113
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.800
Later that night, Peter wakes up to his calling to
1114
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.639
his mom as his door slowly creaks open, revealing that
1115
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.440
no one's behind it. But we also see a lit
1116
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.119
hallway to the other side of his parents' room.
1117
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.000
Yes, and this is where the playing with light really
1118
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:28.159
kicks into high gear.
1119
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:29.960
So he gets out of his bed and he walks
1120
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.760
towards the doorway, and then suddenly a figure walks past.
1121
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.440
It looks just like his mom, and then all of
1122
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.239
a sudden, the hallway goes completely dark. Yes, so Peter
1123
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:41.159
runs back to his bed, and that's when he hears
1124
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.440
his dad calling to him, and that's when the camera
1125
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.119
reveals that his dad is standing in the corner, completely
1126
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:48.280
in the darkness, with just his lower half visible, and
1127
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:49.960
then his face slowly coming out.
1128
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.320
Well, and this was the sounds to the weird. Yeah,
1129
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.199
we heard the weird clicking, fast clicking, and as we
1130
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.880
see more of his face revealed, we realize that's the
1131
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.800
sound of his eyes opening and closing really fast.
1132
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:02.400
Yeah.
1133
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.719
I would be shocked if these nightmare scenes were not
1134
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:11.519
based on real nightmares, because they don't make sense to
1135
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.679
a normal human thought process. Yeah, but they make sense
1136
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.039
in the realm of nightmares, because in nightmares, kid, Yeah, Well,
1137
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.440
and in the realm of nightmares, things that don't really
1138
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.760
make sense creep you out. Yeah, I think I told you.
1139
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.679
I once had a nightmare that I was just hearing bugs,
1140
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.960
like like the sound of like really loud crickets outside
1141
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.360
of my door. Yeah, And I went over to the
1142
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.320
door and shut the light off, and they stopped, and
1143
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:40.719
then I turned the light back on and they didn't
1144
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.679
start again. And then I turned around and like saw
1145
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.079
something and I woke up scared and I was and
1146
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:47.679
I put that in a short film because I was like,
1147
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.039
I would never think of that, yeah, but my subconscious
1148
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.639
decided to. So I really think that the way they
1149
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.360
depict the nightmares is just really really great.
1150
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.320
No, it absolutely is. So his dad is a clicking,
1151
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.639
his eyes are shutting and closing, and then that's when
1152
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.599
he goes, look what you did to your mother? As
1153
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.440
his mother standing now at the end of Peter's bed
1154
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.280
or no in the hall, yes, yes, and the far
1155
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.400
becomes running at him.
1156
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.239
Well, and as she's running, the lights shut off. Yes,
1157
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.800
and it's like she's not there anymore because she was
1158
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.599
almost to the threshold. And then and.
1159
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:19.599
Then she kicks right back up with the music and
1160
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.079
comes right in charges him, grabs him, and then it
1161
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.079
flips like this shot is so cool. She throws him
1162
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.800
back on the bed and then we see the camera turnover.
1163
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:29.599
It flips back, and that's when he wakes up at
1164
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:30.320
it's morning now.
1165
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.960
Yeah. Yeah, the camera they use a lot of disorienting
1166
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.599
camera moves. Yeah, so as it as the camera basically twists,
1167
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.280
it's now mourning and the mother isn't jumping on the
1168
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:40.280
bed attacking him.
1169
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:41.880
He's jumping into her arms, scared.
1170
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.480
Because she's she's saving him from a nightmare. She's comforting
1171
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:46.199
him from a nightmare.
1172
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:47.639
So she tells me very safe.
1173
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.960
Now, Yeah, and he believes that about as much as
1174
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.760
I believe anything I hear from a politician.
1175
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.280
So later that night, the voice tells Peter that his
1176
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.920
parents hate her, and she clawed her way to get
1177
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.239
to him through the walls from the or from the pit,
1178
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.760
all the way up to his wall, and that she's
1179
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:05.599
afraid they're going to put him in the wall. Next,
1180
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.360
Peter states his parents wouldn't do that or kill anyone,
1181
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:10.800
and she states that they already have, and that she's
1182
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.960
going to show him by him checking the garden. She'll
1183
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.119
tell him exactly where to dig.
1184
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.320
So he heads out into the backyard. Yeah, which is
1185
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.559
where all those pumpkins are, which are just there. Not
1186
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.880
all of them are rotting, all they're growing. And he
1187
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.639
starts digging, and not only does he find something very unsettling, Yeah,
1188
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.000
but it's not even that deep in the soil, it
1189
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:32.280
is not.
1190
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.920
He finds a whole human skull, just right in the
1191
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.039
in the midst of it all. And of course, right
1192
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.599
as he uncovers the skull, his mother coming out from
1193
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.679
behind the clock. Yes, goes into his room with the water.
1194
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.599
Pitcher goes into his room, sees he's not in there,
1195
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.320
goes to the window, and she's like Peter as he's
1196
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.079
just uncovered the skull. So we don't know if she's
1197
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:52.599
seen it. We don't know what's going on.
1198
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.880
Because there's a chance she didn't notice because number one,
1199
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.000
she's not looking for a skull, and number two, she
1200
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.360
is kind of far away, so she probably he only
1201
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.239
noticed him, or the jig is up.
1202
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.039
Or she knew where he was spot wise. So she
1203
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.119
goes running down through the house, comes outside, and that's
1204
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.360
when Peter quickly covers up the skull and he's holding
1205
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.719
a pumpkin, and he goes, well, since we're not going
1206
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.079
out for trigger treating and you're not gonna let me
1207
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.239
go out, I thought we could carb.
1208
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.159
A pumpkin wholesome content until we cut.
1209
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:22.440
To Peter's mom just hacking away at multiple pumpkins in
1210
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:23.880
the kitchen sink with a butcher knife.
1211
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.280
Yeah, she is sawing away, basically just stabbing the pumpkin
1212
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:28.159
over and over again.
1213
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.360
So while the voice tells Peter his parents killed the
1214
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.280
girl who went missing, and she doesn't want that to
1215
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:36.719
happen to him. Peter tells the voice that he's going
1216
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.519
to get her out, and that's when he finds his
1217
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.239
math test. He calls Miss Devine's number on it, and
1218
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.159
he does this by going to his parents' room and
1219
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:44.840
he keeps looking in the hall as he's calling her.
1220
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.599
She answers the phone and he's like, I need you
1221
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:48.400
to come get me, like I need help.
1222
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.440
Yeah yeah, And as he's doing that, one of the
1223
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:56.400
best scares, Yeah, we reveal he hears something. So he
1224
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:01.079
looks to the doorway. Nobody's there. His mother's directly behind
1225
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.280
him in the corner and she's standing perfectly still. Yeah,
1226
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.679
so who knows how long she'd been there or whatever.
1227
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.679
But she catches him in the act and I was
1228
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.599
getting sweaty palms.
1229
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.119
Because see, of course, he hangs up the phone in fear,
1230
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:18.840
and that's when Miss Devine starts calling the house back.
1231
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.159
She answers the phone and she's like, oh, Peter, we
1232
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.400
know he was missing you, and I said, you know,
1233
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.400
you should go ahead and call her. So he called
1234
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.119
you and I guess he's just too shy. We'll try
1235
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.239
this again. Happy Halloween.
1236
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.239
By what a snitch? Why would you call back when
1237
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.119
he says I need help. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, oh,
1238
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.360
I guess I should tell his parents that he's snitching
1239
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:35.800
on them.
1240
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.119
So that's when Carol tells Peter that he's been bad,
1241
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.159
and she scolds him for calling a stranger and not
1242
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.800
going into the comfort of his own parents and that
1243
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.159
he is to go to his room and just wait
1244
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:46.880
until his father gets home. So they go into his
1245
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.760
room together, and that's when she also sees that the
1246
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.719
wallpaper has been pulled away and the hole is there.
1247
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.800
And before we move on, it's worth mentioning too. When
1248
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.400
she says wait till your father gets home, she has
1249
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:03.880
fear in her voice. Yeah, it is not a standard like, well,
1250
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:05.519
we'll see what your father says. She's because the class
1251
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.599
starts going on wait to your father, Yeah, because it's
1252
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.639
time soon for daddy to come home. She's terrified of
1253
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:11.800
what's going to happen.
1254
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:13.960
So panicking, she leaves the room and just wanders the
1255
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.280
hall and she's asking, you know, what did she tell you?
1256
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:19.360
So she's aware that somebody's in the wall. Yes, yes,
1257
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.199
definitely freaking out. The clock is sounding and she's again
1258
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:23.880
she's like, you know, just to just wait to your father, agains,
1259
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.320
and she kind of keeps repeating that, and she's frantic
1260
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.639
as she shuts her own bedroom door, sealing herself in.
1261
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.000
Yes. No, And this is where you start to realize,
1262
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.400
holy shit, Okay, the fan is out. Yeah, now we
1263
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.320
just wait for someone to start throwing feces.
1264
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.760
Now we are about to get to a very critical
1265
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.480
scene of this film that is going to be loaded
1266
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:45.079
with the best spoiler possible of this entire movie. So
1267
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.119
if you have not seen this movie and you're still
1268
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.400
listening to the show right now, I beg of you
1269
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.800
please pause the podcast and watch the movie, because this
1270
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.679
is such a great.
1271
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.119
Third act, David. They've been warned, they've been warned, so
1272
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:58.480
to listen. Here we go.
1273
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.639
So later, Peter told by the voice that his parents
1274
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.920
know now and that they're going to kill her, or
1275
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.559
going to kill both of them, and he has to
1276
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.719
do something. So Peter wanders downstairs to find his parents talking.
1277
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.440
And when I say he wanders downstairs, he is on
1278
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:14.519
the stairwell and the shot is the two giant shadows
1279
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.679
of his parents, and he's between them with.
1280
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.119
A big orange light, a very warm light casting their
1281
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.599
shadows over the staircase as he sits between the shadows
1282
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:30.199
looking on. It's insanely stylized and very very awesome to
1283
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.199
look at. And it's such a great way because because
1284
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.960
it's shadows, they are even more so towering over him.
1285
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.400
Their shadows are almost to the ceiling. Yeah, as he's
1286
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.079
sitting there a small boy wondering what his fate will be.
1287
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:45.880
And even when they go to look at the parents,
1288
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.159
like the mom is cowering in front of Mark a
1289
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.039
little bit, and Mark's just like kind of like shighing
1290
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:51.119
it off. He's like, well, you know, you know what
1291
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.960
we have to do now, that's what Peter catches. And
1292
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:55.119
then suddenly his parents both turn their attention to him
1293
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:57.000
on the stairs as he runs back up the stairs.
1294
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.639
And I want to mention, from the beginning of the film,
1295
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.280
the parents very often have no light on their faces.
1296
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.960
They're very little like they're often their faces are in shadows,
1297
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.239
which makes you distrust them. Yeah, And I think that's
1298
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.760
a really awesome choice, especially because I think that the
1299
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.320
genre of like you can't trust your own parents is
1300
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:23.199
such a underutilized and very scary genre, even in movies
1301
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.239
that are kind of goofy or wacky like Invaders from
1302
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.119
Mars by Toby Hooper, which is a good movie but
1303
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.039
it's wacky at times. But the idea you can't trust
1304
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:32.480
your own parents when you're a little kid, that no
1305
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:34.320
one will listen to, that you're not strong enough to
1306
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.840
defend yourself. But also another movie that's kind of wacky,
1307
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.199
but I find truly scary as Parents that where your
1308
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.880
parents are cannibals. I love that movie and when I
1309
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.679
was a teenager watching it, it's scared the hell out
1310
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:46.920
of me.
1311
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:49.559
One of my favorites that I just feel like does
1312
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:51.519
not get enough love. Have you ever seen Domestic Disturbance
1313
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.760
with the John Travolta, Oh yeah, but and Vince Vaughn.
1314
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:56.360
That was the first time I ever saw Vince Vaughd.
1315
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.480
So then watching him go to comedy roles after that,
1316
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:00.960
it took me a bit because Disturbance was like my
1317
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.199
first introduction to him.
1318
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:04.559
Well, Vaughn was like a very serious New York based
1319
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.239
actor first, and then he kind of like John c Riley.
1320
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.039
John c Riley was a very serious studying actor, and
1321
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:12.199
then people realized he was funny and it just you know,
1322
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:13.239
went crazy from there.
1323
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:14.880
Yeah, but no Domestic disturbance is so good.
1324
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:15.519
That's a good film.
1325
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.800
Getting back to Cobweb. So he runs into his room
1326
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:19.519
and that's when his dad comes in and he's like,
1327
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.840
you know, hey, I know you're awake, So go ahead
1328
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.159
and get a good night's sleep, because tomorrow I need
1329
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:25.800
your help in the in the garden. We have a
1330
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:27.639
little problem we need to take care of.
1331
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.159
And of course, I mean, why wouldn't the kid get
1332
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.199
a good night's sleep and ready to go help his
1333
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.360
dad with some wholesome work in the gardens.
1334
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.559
So the next morning, ladies and gentlemen, it's Halloween.
1335
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.599
Yay, Oh, hold on, there we go. Kids. The kids
1336
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.719
these days, they love the Halloween.
1337
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:59.360
Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back
1338
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.119
to Do You Even? Movie?
1339
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.079
So Peter joins his father in the backyard, where we
1340
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:10.119
see a hole is dug in front of Peter, and
1341
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.440
Mark states that there is black rot taking over the
1342
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.719
garden and that they have to bury the pumpkins, the
1343
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.760
bad pumpkins, and hope that the next crop is better.
1344
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:20.480
And my first thought was just a kid going like Dad,
1345
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.920
this isn't a metaphorus, no, son, not at all.
1346
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:26.760
So he tells him to pick up the shovel and
1347
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:28.719
dig as Peter goes to do so. And then on
1348
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:30.840
the street out front of Peter's house, we see a
1349
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.119
van driving up slowly as we see three guys in
1350
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.760
mask as one of them says, Brian, is this the place?
1351
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.679
And we see that this is Brian, his cousin and
1352
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.039
his friends and something is being planned for later tonight.
1353
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.199
And his friends are definitely from a range of fifteen
1354
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:48.840
to eighteen years old. They're big kids.
1355
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.639
Yeah, So Brian confirms that it is, and then that
1356
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.880
night Peter sits at his family as they have a
1357
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:54.559
nice dinner.
1358
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:55.960
But Peter's a nice dinner.
1359
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.360
Peter's not really touching his food.
1360
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.440
Well he's not a big eater anyway, he's so small. Yeah.
1361
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.719
Yeah, So his mom is angered by the doorbell, which
1362
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.760
is kind of a funny scene because the doorbell goes
1363
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.960
off and she just gets up in a huff. You
1364
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.599
hear her open the door and think the guys go
1365
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.320
trick or treat, go away, and she just.
1366
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.679
Comes back, can't have any time with my family.
1367
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.519
And of course Mark's like portlight's off and she's.
1368
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.360
Like, yes, well, the jack of lantern that was lit
1369
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.840
on the patio might have made people think. Maybe though,
1370
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.079
that's supposed to keep the goons away.
1371
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:27.079
But whatever, I thought, you stop gooning.
1372
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.039
Always stop gooning. So she sits.
1373
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.920
Back down to finish dinner, Mark commenting on the soup
1374
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.880
tasting different but good, and she's like, oh, I don't
1375
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.880
think I did anything different. So she takes another bite,
1376
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.159
and she does notice something, taking a few more bites
1377
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.159
and even noticing that there's a smell to it.
1378
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.360
The funniest part to me about that moment, though, is
1379
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:51.000
how simply and legitimately domestic the conversation is, because he's
1380
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.840
not like, you know, as creepy and weird and out
1381
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.880
there as they've been. Yeah, he's not like, what's wrong
1382
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.960
with the soup. He's just like, it tastes different. Yeah,
1383
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:03.039
it's still good. Just did you do anything different? It
1384
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.760
just kind of tastes different. And she and and so
1385
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.079
now as she's trying to figure it out, she starts
1386
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.599
shoveling it in tasting it and shoveling it in tasting it,
1387
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.880
and he's doing the same, and he's doing the same.
1388
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:19.760
And then at that moment, as the father is smelling it, cinnamon, cinnamon,
1389
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.519
and then as soon as he has the thought of cinnamon.
1390
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:26.280
He hears the door of the shed in the backyard
1391
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:32.519
blacking and whacking, which is where So now he is
1392
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:36.000
immediately looking to the boy like, did you do something bad?
1393
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:37.519
Did you do something bad?
1394
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:39.559
What did you do to the soup? And that's when
1395
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.840
he begins to succumb to rat poison once again. We
1396
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.079
have an awesome camera shot where he gets these gut
1397
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.480
pains and then the camera just flips again.
1398
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.519
Yeah, And as he's writhing in pain, he's begging his wife,
1399
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:53.519
calling on or calling calling on the one right now,
1400
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.960
he starts puking up this black, viscous gunk.
1401
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:58.559
And she goes to the phone to find it cut,
1402
01:03:58.679 --> 01:03:59.960
So Peter, not only.
1403
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.000
As it's the moment where she pulls the phone off
1404
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:09.239
and you see that the phone's cut, it becomes entirely premeditated,
1405
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.199
which is so oh my god, it's so heinous. So
1406
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.800
as she realizes that her son has killed her and
1407
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.360
her husband, she runs and grabs a butcher knife and
1408
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.440
starts chasing him as he runs up the stairs. She
1409
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.719
goes after him, but then the poison catches up to her.
1410
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.480
She pukes her guts out too, and then he kind
1411
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.679
of pushes her away from him. As she's grabbing at him.
1412
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:37.039
She falls down, lands right on the knife, and well,
1413
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:38.760
he might be dead.
1414
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.519
He's got to get the keys now though, for the clocks.
1415
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.079
Yeah, because apparently there's a full blown plan. Apparently.
1416
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:46.480
He goes back down the steps, approaching her body, and
1417
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:48.719
suddenly she comes back to life for one more phrase
1418
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:52.320
as shews a little bit more blood and says, don't let.
1419
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:57.639
Her out, which is so excellent and so telling because
1420
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.800
that was the moment where I watching it the first
1421
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.599
time was like, ah, there's a lot more going on,
1422
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:07.760
because if there, if the parents are strictly malicious, then
1423
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.800
her last gasp of air would be anger or to
1424
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.440
try and grab him again. Yeah, but no, with her
1425
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.639
last breath, all she does is utter a warning to
1426
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:22.800
her son. Yeah. That tells you that something bigger than
1427
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:27.880
just mistreating a kid is going on, something a lot worse.
1428
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:29.760
I wonder if we'll find out right now. As he
1429
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.320
goes to the room with the clock, as the voice asked,
1430
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.480
did you do it? Are they gone? He tells them
1431
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.719
that he thinks so, and that he's going to unlock
1432
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:38.559
the door, but she tells him to be careful because
1433
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:40.280
the clock is heavy in front of the door, and
1434
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.119
we see that it is because he pulls the clock
1435
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:43.559
and just smashes it to the floor.
1436
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.400
Just shatters onto the ground, revealing a little door. Yeah,
1437
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:51.039
like maybe two feet tall something like that.
1438
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.960
With a giant fucking lock, a lock at.
1439
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:56.039
Least half the size of the door. Of the height
1440
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.760
of the door. Yeah, it is a big pad of
1441
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:04.039
steel the door to the frame, which tells me you
1442
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.840
should absolutely unlock it. It's a great idea.
1443
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:08.559
And we should also point out too that the key
1444
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.119
that is used to unlock this is the classic haunted
1445
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:13.920
house key, just sliding right into the lock with its
1446
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:14.719
crook and everything.
1447
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.079
Oh yeah, with the with the big teeth. Yeah, everything
1448
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:18.599
the old school style lock.
1449
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.199
So Peter approaches the door and she tells him to
1450
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.760
be careful. He unlocks the door as a bang rattles
1451
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:26.280
on the other side. He goes back to the room.
1452
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.079
The door swings open slowly with some blackness, nothing there,
1453
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.000
And then suddenly we hear an evil laugh echo that
1454
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.199
is nothing like anything of the voice we've heard so far.
1455
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:38.000
Now, all of a sudden, the voice is very deep.
1456
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.480
It's a witch and guttle. Yeah, yeah, like like almost like, yeah,
1457
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:44.519
like a stereotypical kind of witch voice, maybe not as
1458
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.679
high pitch, but it definitely does not sound like a
1459
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:48.920
little girl anymore.
1460
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:51.760
So he runs to his bedroom, locking the door behind him,
1461
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:53.239
and that's when we started to see a bunch of
1462
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.440
strands of hair coming out of the out of the
1463
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:59.199
hole as the monster is now revealed, asking him what
1464
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:01.760
was it like watching them die? Was it just like
1465
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:02.920
the little girl I killed?
1466
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.960
Now we don't reveal is not quite the perfect word, yeah,
1467
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:11.519
because we only see glimpse peks. Yeah, but the monster
1468
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.920
is freed entirely, and we know now that we are
1469
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:19.519
about to find out what is really living in the
1470
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:20.719
walls of this house.
1471
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:24.400
But suddenly, downstairs, the doorbell sounds as we see Brian
1472
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.440
along with his cousin and friends now all wearing masks
1473
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:29.159
and calling to them in the streets, saying they just
1474
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:33.280
wanted to stop by for Halloween, and outside of the house,
1475
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.039
the door just swings open slowly as they're like, what
1476
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:36.440
the fuck?
1477
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:40.960
I love it Like, is this a trap? Yeah? No, shit, no,
1478
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.039
they just really want you to come in and have
1479
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:44.559
a couple of fluffer Nutter sandwiches.
1480
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.880
So the gang of bullies enter the house with Brian
1481
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:48.960
behind them on crutches, and they called a Peter as
1482
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.320
he's hiding under his bed upstairs, and we see one
1483
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.039
of the gang enter his room. Others begin wondering the house,
1484
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.480
smashing up things, and then one goes to the kitchen,
1485
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.840
discovering the remnants of blood.
1486
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:02.320
But nobody's not a single one. And something that's become
1487
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.559
established very early on is whatever it is living in
1488
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.320
the walls has a penchant for grabbing and pulling people. Yeah,
1489
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:14.960
out of sight, out of mind, and then probably to
1490
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:15.480
their deaths.
1491
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.600
Yeah. So one goes to work smashing the piano and
1492
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:22.039
Brian slips on blood, landing onto the floor in his crutches,
1493
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.439
go offrom under him, and that's when Peter is found
1494
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.000
by one of the bullies in his room. As Brian
1495
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.960
realizes he's in blood, though, a bully sees some hair
1496
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.520
slip under the piano, pulled on the piano, and just
1497
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.520
a huge puddle of blood shoots out.
1498
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.319
Yeah no, and that's the thing. These kids are getting
1499
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.000
pulled away and then just murk, blatter, there's just splatter immediately.
1500
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:44.439
It's very considering how how much of this movie is
1501
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:48.039
very less is more? It is very jarring to see
1502
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.800
all of a sudden, just a big giant splatter of blood.
1503
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.279
So the bully in Peter's room hearing this, comes out
1504
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.960
as he sees Brian and the other bullies are dragged
1505
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.279
out from the other things. Suddenly his cousin's friend comes around,
1506
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:01.239
calling to Brian. He is dragged up the wall, down
1507
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:03.640
the wall, up the wall, down the wall, calling for help,
1508
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:04.880
and then pulled behind the corner.
1509
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.960
Yeah. No, and that one is extra startling. Yeah, the
1510
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.479
up and down thing. It's like it's like he's being
1511
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.439
grabbed by a friggin shark in the water.
1512
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.239
Yeah, something, so around him, the hair starts to swarm
1513
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.439
now and Brian hears laughs. He tries to escape and
1514
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.199
crawl away, and he's quickly tangled up in screams as upstairs,
1515
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:22.479
the cousin comes and goes to check on Brian, but
1516
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:24.800
finds a puddle of blood and just his crutches.
1517
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.520
Yeah, things are not going great for these young men.
1518
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:32.039
So he turns his head and suddenly the monster crawling
1519
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.800
along the wall ambushes him. Peter's still under his bed,
1520
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.520
highes here, smashes, he watches the body gets thrown from
1521
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:39.319
one side to the other side, and then the body
1522
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:42.479
comes walking around the corner, except the head is missing.
1523
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.720
It's it's a it's a pretty awesome reveal. Yeah, A
1524
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.000
headless body just kind of pupa and then hits against
1525
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:50.239
the wall, slides its, you know, back against the wall,
1526
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.119
slides down. Yeah, and just the headless body is just
1527
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:55.760
sitting there, and then we have a moment where there's
1528
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:56.279
just quiet.
1529
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.199
There's just quiet because we also see that mister Devine
1530
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.399
is driving quickly to the house and Peter watches the
1531
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.960
bully succumb to the floor. The monster then quietly approaches Peter,
1532
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:07.319
calming over the bed, and says that she was born
1533
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.119
this way and that some people when they're born, you know,
1534
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:15.560
cry with joy. His parents screamed, can't imagine why, so
1535
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.279
his father made her a pit while Peter got to
1536
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.640
sleep in a nice, warm bed, and that she's always
1537
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.000
resented him for having the life that she wanted and
1538
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:25.600
that's why she used him to finally get free.
1539
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:31.640
And this scene could be cheesy, yeah, because she is
1540
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.640
giving the entire backstory of what's going on. She's just
1541
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:38.920
spewing it out all at once. Yeah, But she sits
1542
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:42.479
on top of his bed knowing he's underneath it with
1543
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:47.720
a with a jack o lantern and just recites her
1544
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.920
life story to him with joy. Yeah, because now she's
1545
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:56.239
free and she can have all the vengeance her heart desires.
1546
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.479
And torment Peter because as she goes away this one
1547
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.800
time revealing the jack lantern, now the severed head is
1548
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:02.600
stuffed inside the pump One of the.
1549
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.840
Boy's severed heads is that the head that was missing
1550
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:06.920
for the body in the hallway is in the pumpkin.
1551
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:08.640
And the way they show it is the pumpkin. It
1552
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.319
lands in front of the kid, and it takes your
1553
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:13.920
eyes a second. I get to realize to notice it
1554
01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:16.199
because the pumpkin's obviously not lit up, ye, because there's
1555
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:18.520
no room for a candle. So like as you look
1556
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.199
through the eyes in the mouth, you realize that is
1557
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:23.279
a human head. You see eye, you see a mouth.
1558
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.880
It is very effective And at first when I saw it,
1559
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:29.920
I didn't catch the face first, so I was kind
1560
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:31.920
of like, why is he afraid of the though oh
1561
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:33.720
oh yeah, oh fair.
1562
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:35.760
So naturally he's screaming his head off, and we also
1563
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:37.720
see that the monster is now dragging him to the
1564
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:40.239
room behind the clock, locking it saying you'll be safe
1565
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:42.920
in there. So Miss Devine arrives at the house right
1566
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:44.640
at this point, and she finds the house, of course,
1567
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.720
in chaos. The blood's everywhere, and she hears something crying
1568
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.159
and I say something because it does sound like Peter,
1569
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:51.319
but I don't think it's something.
1570
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:52.439
Is an operative word here?
1571
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.000
Yeah, So she also finds the hair moving on its
1572
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:56.840
own around a couple places, and that's when she goes
1573
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.119
into the kitchen. She's quickly scratched by the monster and
1574
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.560
she begins to crawl, coming across some bodies as the
1575
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.039
monster crawls right towards her. She tries to leave, but
1576
01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.279
finds the door is locked now and she calls to Peter,
1577
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:08.960
who tells her to run. He goes, Miss di Vine.
1578
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:11.760
Run, Yeah, that's all he has to say. Run.
1579
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.840
So Miss Devine wanders upstairs, coming across the headless course
1580
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:16.920
in the hallway as Peter calls to her to keep running,
1581
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.359
and she ends up in his room, and that's when
1582
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:20.119
she also finds that his hand is now sticking out
1583
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:21.680
through the hole in the wall that he had previously
1584
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:24.960
been looking at. Yeah, the rolls have been riversed, yes, so,
1585
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:29.000
Peter states, So Peter, excuse me, So she tells him
1586
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.720
she's not leaving him, and suddenly the monster coming upstairs
1587
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:33.640
starts running towards the door as she shuts it quickly
1588
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:35.760
and seals it, and she goes, what the hell is that?
1589
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.800
And that's when Peter says one of the best lines,
1590
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:38.760
my sister.
1591
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.119
But he says, it's so matter of factly, yeah, my sister. Yeah.
1592
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.840
So now as she's put a little dresser against the
1593
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.760
door to buy her some time, she starts pounding away
1594
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:51.159
at that drywall trying to get the kid out, and
1595
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:55.159
makes pretty short work of the wall. I mean, I
1596
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:55.720
was impressed.
1597
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.000
Yeah, But she also does that because once that door
1598
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:00.000
is shut, she hears the thing go back into the wall.
1599
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:01.359
So she's got to get him out of there.
1600
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:02.600
Yes, you got to get him out of it now.
1601
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:04.560
And as she gets the big hole and she pulls
1602
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.680
him out, moves the dresser and they go right out
1603
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:10.119
the door, hoping to outrun his sister.
1604
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:13.199
Unfortunately, as mister Vine looks back though, she watches Peter
1605
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:15.319
get sucked back up into the hair and pulled back
1606
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.560
into the house as the door shuts, and now Peter
1607
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.520
is in the pit where she once was yes.
1608
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:24.279
And that was another really harrowing moment, because they run
1609
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:26.560
through the hallways, they run down the stairs, they have
1610
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:28.960
the keys because they have to have keys to unlock
1611
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.880
the front door. They unlock the front door as they
1612
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:33.680
get out. I remember as the watchers like, uh, because
1613
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:35.319
I noticed that when she got down the steps, she
1614
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:37.760
was by herself. You look back and he's calling for her,
1615
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:41.119
and he's grabbed by his hair and just pulled right
1616
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:43.680
back into the house. Now he's down in the bottom
1617
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:46.439
of that pit that he had only observed, Yeah, during
1618
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:52.600
his grounding. He's down there finding out just what horrors
1619
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:56.359
await him as his sister relishes, Yeah, telling him what
1620
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:57.920
hell it is to live down there.
1621
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.000
He finds an old teddy bear with the name sarahritten
1622
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.119
on the tag, and suddenly up above she climbs into
1623
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:03.920
the pit with him, and he asked, you know, why
1624
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:05.479
is she like this? And she comments that she was
1625
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.600
born this way and no one loves a monster.
1626
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:10.479
Yeah, and she says something something along the lines of
1627
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.960
a well, you were learning to play and and walk
1628
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:18.079
and talk. I was learning to climb. I was learning
1629
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.680
to climb and and and scratch and bite. Yeah, And
1630
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.760
that is such a great moment.
1631
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.520
Yeah, So miss Devine calls to Peter, but his mouth
1632
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:28.640
is quickly covered by the monster, and Devine comes down
1633
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.000
the stairs telling Peter, or telling the monster that if
1634
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:33.600
it kill it, if it touches Peter, I'll fucking kill you.
1635
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:37.960
Yeah. And like I said, I really think that opening
1636
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:41.800
scene was such good storytelling because she shows him how
1637
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:43.920
to deal with the spider. She takes an active interest
1638
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:45.960
in him, and when she's worried things aren't right at home,
1639
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.000
she pops by just to get a little FaceTime with
1640
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:51.600
his parents. And now she's in the ultimate space of that.
1641
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:55.159
She's fighting some kind of a monster creature thing.
1642
01:14:55.359 --> 01:15:08.159
Yeah, do you even? Movie? Will be right back, Welcome
1643
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:09.720
back to Do You Even?
1644
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:18.800
Movie? As they start fighting, I love where we go
1645
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:22.720
because as she's crawling toward her as the monster's coming,
1646
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.279
her long hair is still down there the pit and
1647
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.079
we pull a kind of twisted Rapunzel from Hell as
1648
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:32.159
the little boy climbs up the hair and as he's
1649
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.359
climbing up the hair, and I also just love that
1650
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:37.079
her she has like eight feet of hair, because when
1651
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.600
would she ever get a haircut? So as he's climbing
1652
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.199
it's pulling her backwards so she's not able to get
1653
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:45.560
a hold of her, and then as he pulls, she
1654
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:49.159
starts hitting her yes, and they work together to throw
1655
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.840
her down into that fucking pit where I guess she.
1656
01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:56.439
Belongs, releasing the releasing the door sealing her in, and
1657
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:58.840
so she's now suck in the pit. They are free
1658
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:01.319
and they're celebrating, and that's when the monster begs Peter
1659
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.479
to help her, because you know it's family, and she
1660
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:06.600
even says, you're a killer like me, and he shouts no,
1661
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:09.039
and that's when the monster says, well, you know this
1662
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.760
is not the end, right, I'll always be with you
1663
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:14.159
wherever you go. You're always going to be thinking of
1664
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:16.640
me at any moment, And we see that Peter is
1665
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.359
now in his room. A little later on, he pulls
1666
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.960
his covers back and there's the hair covered in spiders
1667
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:24.479
on his bed. He screams, shuts his eyes, opens him
1668
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.000
back up and his bed's completely fine. But then the
1669
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.720
figure rises behind him and says again, I'll always be
1670
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.720
with you. And that is the end of twenty twenty
1671
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:33.880
three's Copweb.
1672
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.720
Always good to have a happy ending, yeah, because in
1673
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.960
reality he'll be tormented by nightmares while he goes through
1674
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:41.720
the foster care system.
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01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.399
So would you like to know some fun things about Cobweb?
1676
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.600
Well, I feel like we've already talked about all the
1677
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.680
fun things in Cobweb. No, I would love to know more. So.
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01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:52.960
The budget is estimated to be thirteen million. I've also
1679
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:56.359
seen thirty five as the number. There's no confirmation.
1680
01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:02.279
Thirty five seems high, yeah, I mean, but some movies
1681
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:04.760
just have shockingly high budgets. I mean, we were talking
1682
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:06.640
about Last Voyage of the Demeter. It had almost that
1683
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:10.119
size budget, and so, I mean, I would I could
1684
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.239
believe either budget, but I would like to think it
1685
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.039
was on the lower side. I mean, there aren't a
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01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:16.800
lot of actors in it. There aren't a lot of
1687
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:19.119
big set pieces, there aren't a lot of special effects.
1688
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:23.359
And even the actors, I mean Lizzie Kaplan and the
1689
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:28.199
Anthony Starr, Yeah they're names, but they're not huge names. Yeah.
1690
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.479
So I don't know though, But so thirteen million dollars
1691
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:33.359
budget estimation released October twenty, twenty twenty three. Of the
1692
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.800
limited release box office total was ten million.
1693
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.520
Basically, I mean, you know, it was a little bit
1694
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:40.920
of a fluff but then Hulu swooped swooped in and
1695
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:42.760
got it and put it out there, and I'm sure
1696
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.039
that they're doing a lot better now.
1697
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.520
So it is filmed entirely in Sophia, Bulgaria.
1698
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:48.840
See that makes me think the movie's a little cheaper too.
1699
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.600
The movie was notoriously undermarketed, with virtually no advertising by
1700
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.720
its studio, despite heavy hitting producers such as Seth Rogan
1701
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.880
and generally overall positive response by critics and audiences. The
1702
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:02.199
film also opened in July against Barbie and Oppenheimer, despite
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01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:04.079
having a distinctly Halloween atmosphere.
1704
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.199
Yeah, I didn't know much about Cobweb at all. If
1705
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.119
they had marketed it as a Halloween movie, I probably
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01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:12.720
would have went and saw it. I would have been
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01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:14.119
much more aggressive to go see it.
1708
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:15.000
Oh hell yeah.
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01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:15.199
So.
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01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.800
Director Samuel Boden stated that they looked at over fifty
1711
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:20.159
different styles of wallpaper for the look of Peter's room,
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01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:22.119
as you wanted it to not have a scary haunted
1713
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:24.119
house look, but the look of something that's scary to
1714
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:25.319
a child in their own way.
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01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.800
I thought when I watched it, the wallpaper was kind
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01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:31.680
of off putting. Yeah, it just kind of.
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01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:34.359
Felt I think it's a hot air balloon plane.
1718
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:36.119
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.680
He even stated that to this day he still has
1720
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.600
dreams about all the wallpapers they looked at. I mean,
1721
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:45.000
the horror mushroom soup was used as the broth that
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01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:46.319
Peter poisons his parents with.
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01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:51.119
Oh, I mean it looked like they blended it or something. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:54.880
Boden prided himself on Kaplan's wardrobe selection and movements as
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01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:56.720
being the character that would be found in a brother's
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01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:59.079
grim's fairy tale, trying to be as far from reality
1727
01:18:59.119 --> 01:18:59.720
as possible.
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01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.119
I think that's really accurate. Yeah. Actually yeah.
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01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:05.800
The street exterior, house exterior as well as the exterior
1730
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:09.760
were built or excuse the street exterior, house interior as
1731
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:11.920
well as the exterior were built on a big set
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01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.720
in Bulgaria. Two different houses were constructed for the front
1733
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.279
of the house as well as the back of the house.
1734
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.800
The inside of the house was ten to twelve different sets,
1735
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.439
and the studio was in an old ex Russian ex
1736
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:24.880
communist studio with lots of debris and remnants. Alan Gilmore,
1737
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.520
set designer commented, the studio had lots of debris and
1738
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.600
remnants and I could borrow from that, so in a
1739
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.399
way I could borrow from Eastern ideas, Eastern design. So
1740
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:34.960
for example, the refrigerator they pull from the wall, you
1741
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:37.720
see the secret door, that was a rushing refrigerator. I
1742
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:41.000
made it American, so I restyled it as an American refrigerator.
1743
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:43.319
So it took a lot of their world and manipulated
1744
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.720
it back into our world. And that gives Cobweb a
1745
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.359
slightly strange feeling because it's familiar. Because again, American design,
1746
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:52.000
especially mid century and older American houses, have a certain
1747
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:54.239
esthetic to them. The house itself is a character in
1748
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.600
the film, with its sense of decay, sounds, and strong
1749
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:57.399
shadows throughout.
1750
01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.680
I mean that makes sense. And the idea of taking
1751
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.119
like an old Russian refrigerator or Soviet refrigerator and painting
1752
01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:08.039
it and styling it really feeds into the theme of
1753
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.119
the movie that things are not as they seem, Yeah,
1754
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:12.560
which I think is really charming. And I really do.
1755
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:14.199
I know I said it earlier, but I really do
1756
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:16.399
think that the house is like its own character.
1757
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.560
Yeah. Woody Norman commented on working with Simon that he
1758
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.720
would be very precise on how the scares should be
1759
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.640
executed for both the audience's reaction and should be along
1760
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.960
with the character in the film, Simon was known to
1761
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.239
shout on set precise actions for Woody when he was
1762
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:31.199
directing him, to the point he would even startle some
1763
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.359
with his loud voice. Simon prides himself on the scares
1764
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:36.840
as being more related to silence, with little movement and
1765
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:37.760
a lot of screams.
1766
01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:39.560
I mean, there's no doubt about that. Yeah, at the
1767
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.199
beginning of the film, it's bizarrely quiet for a while.
1768
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.479
Alexander Dragova, who plays the monster in the film in
1769
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:49.039
real life, is a contortionist, which allowed her to use
1770
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:51.880
standard body movements for the monster's movements without the use
1771
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.520
of effects. The monster's hair was made up of three
1772
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:56.720
different sets of wigs, and there were only two masks
1773
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:58.159
of different expressions for the whole time.
1774
01:20:58.399 --> 01:20:59.920
I mean, I believe that. I mean, they were so
1775
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.760
good at barely showing the monster, yeah, which is always
1776
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:03.680
a good idea.
1777
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:05.239
When it came to the reveal of the monster what,
1778
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:07.199
he commented that it took some getting used to the
1779
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:08.960
first two weeks he had to see the mask without
1780
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:11.159
somebody in it so he wouldn't be terrified when shooting
1781
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:14.119
actually began. Working with Alexander, though he was very happy.
1782
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:16.560
I mean, I would have scared the kid. Oh yeah,
1783
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:17.479
I'm a bad person.
1784
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.000
Though Samuel but was attracted to the story due to
1785
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:22.239
storytelling through the child's eyes and the sense of being
1786
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:24.680
naive again. He took extra measures on the set designing
1787
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:26.560
for Peter's room to make items seem bigger to the
1788
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:28.600
viewers so that they would feel like a child watching it,
1789
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:31.000
also making the scares relate to being alone in your
1790
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:32.800
bed at night, slow building the fear to make it
1791
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:33.760
more psychological.
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01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.760
I mean, I think they nailed that pretty well. The
1793
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:39.880
kid definitely ties it together. The performance of him and
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01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:43.119
how he's depicted works very well in the film.
1795
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:45.640
So what are your final thoughts on Cobweb.
1796
01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:49.119
Well, I think it's a great one. I really do
1797
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:52.600
think it's one of the best Halloween themed horror films
1798
01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.039
we've had of the last few years. I was definitely
1799
01:21:56.079 --> 01:22:00.159
not expecting it to be that kind of film. Was
1800
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.880
expecting it to be I don't know a little bit more.
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01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:06.439
I expected it to be cerebral and creepy, but I
1802
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.279
wasn't expecting that level of like that fun layer to it.
1803
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:13.000
I had a great time with it. I am still
1804
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.800
ticked that they didn't market it so that I, of
1805
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:19.439
all people, if we didn't know enough about the movie
1806
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:20.680
to go see in the theater when we're at the
1807
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.800
theater minimum once a week, then you're just not marketing
1808
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:26.880
it well. But I am glad that it's on Hulu
1809
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:28.760
so everybody can check it out and add it to
1810
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:32.399
their October watch list. Yeah, I really I thought it
1811
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.199
was fun as hell. I would definitely say it it'd
1812
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:37.159
be worth a rental, but you don't have to if
1813
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:39.960
you have a Hulu subscription. But I absolutely think it's
1814
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.760
worth renting. And I think if you're a horror movie
1815
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:46.039
aficionado then you would want to own it because it
1816
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:49.159
is a perfect addition to your library of creepy er
1817
01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:54.680
almost almost like they were saying, Brothers Grim style horror.
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01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:57.239
It's a buy it for me as well in this case,
1819
01:22:57.279 --> 01:22:59.119
because if there was ever a horror movie that you
1820
01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:01.159
haven't seen October, this is it.
1821
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:01.960
Yeah.
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01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.119
I mean that you cannot get better than this. The
1823
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:07.560
combination of Lizzie Kaplin and Anthony Starr as the parents
1824
01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:11.039
super unsettling. You really do not know at all where
1825
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:13.439
this movie is going, and especially cannot predict that third
1826
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.439
act at all, not at all, and then I mean
1827
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:17.640
it just becomes a full on fucking monster movie at
1828
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:21.000
the end, like hell yeah, yeah, So it's a buy
1829
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:23.960
it for me, straight up fair enough. So we always
1830
01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:25.439
like the in the show. With a couple of recommendations
1831
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.800
as well. I have two this week. First one twenty
1832
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:31.159
sixteen's Before I Wake Mike Flanagan's first film. A couple
1833
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.520
adopted orphan child whose dreams in nightmares and manifest I
1834
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:35.840
thought it was is it hush?
1835
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:41.359
No? He did oculus oculis Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, it
1836
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:43.119
was like his third or fourth, third or fourth. Yeah.
1837
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:45.720
I feel like this first because it got delayed for so.
1838
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.199
It did get delayed for a really long time. Yeah.
1839
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.720
His nightmares manifest physically as he sleeps. And my second
1840
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:54.880
recommendation twenty fifteen's The Visit. Two siblings become increasingly frightened
1841
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.000
by their grandparents disturbing behavior while visiting them on vacation.
1842
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.159
That one is a great one for the the eeriness
1843
01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.880
of like family turning on you and things like that.
1844
01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:08.800
My pick, because I love to ruffle feathers, is twenty
1845
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:10.520
twenty one's Malignant.
1846
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:12.600
Oh okay, let's.
1847
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:17.920
Talk about another film all about sibling rival or yeah. Yeah.
1848
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.960
It's directed by James wand he's famous for a lot
1849
01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:26.359
of great horror films. The Insidia saw conjuring. Yeah, And
1850
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.279
one of the things I liked about Malignant the most,
1851
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.000
aside fromhim being batshit, cuckubine and age and you can
1852
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:36.159
quote me on that that's a scientific term, is it
1853
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:40.520
was so polarizing. Yeah. I actually I don't love when
1854
01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:42.560
movie fans argue with each other on the internet, but
1855
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.920
every now and then it's fun. It's funny to me
1856
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:46.239
when I'm like, oh, I just that was a hell
1857
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:48.800
of a lot of fun. People were so adamant that
1858
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.079
it sucked out louder that it was amazing.
1859
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:52.439
And it was one of the first, like big movies
1860
01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.399
to get dropped to streaming really quick.
1861
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:58.239
Well it it went to the theaters really fast after
1862
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:01.199
COVID had kind of wrapped up yeah, so that people
1863
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:03.720
could go to the theater. So, I mean, it went
1864
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:05.439
to streaming really fast, but a lot of people caught
1865
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.880
it in the theater. We saw it in theater, and
1866
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:11.479
I enjoyed it quite a bit. But it's so wacky
1867
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:13.960
and out there and and even if you hate it.
1868
01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:17.319
I think it's worth watching it because it'll make you
1869
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:18.239
feel something.
1870
01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:20.359
So do we have any emails?
1871
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:23.399
Well, let's check my magical phone.
1872
01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:25.840
Magical device in your pocket, your brand new phone.
1873
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:30.199
My brand new phone because I needed a treat after
1874
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:31.319
all the moving.
1875
01:25:31.439 --> 01:25:32.680
That's okay, I got an Apple Watch.
1876
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.079
Oh yeah, where you find that. No, we do not
1877
01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:39.000
have any emails, so a reminder. You can send us
1878
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:41.680
anything you'd like it. Do you even movie pod at
1879
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.439
gmail dot com. We would love to hear from you. Also,
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01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:49.279
if you're listening to this on a podcast feed, a
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01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:52.319
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1882
01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:56.079
you're watching us on YouTube, a like, a share, a subscribe,
1883
01:25:56.199 --> 01:25:58.560
or a comment really does make a big difference. Or
1884
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.000
if you're listening to this on Spotify, you can comment
1885
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:04.840
there as well. We read everything we get. Please don't
1886
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.720
hurt my feelings. I am a special little boy.
1887
01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:09.880
Would you like to know what we're talking about next
1888
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:12.199
week on the show? Sure, we are gonna be talking
1889
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.000
about twenty nineteen's Underseene Trick.
1890
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.199
That was one I was not expecting to like as
1891
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.760
much as I did. Yeah, really excited to revisit it.
1892
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:22.720
It's a lot of fun, a perfect Halloween movie. We
1893
01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:25.640
started a Halloween party and then we don't leave Halloween.
1894
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:26.640
The entire movie based.
1895
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.319
So it's a really fun one and one I don't
1896
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:31.319
hear people talk about much at all. Yeah, when you
1897
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.520
first brought it up, I got really excited about the
1898
01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:35.000
idea of talking about it at length.
1899
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:36.600
I was excited because I was like, do I still
1900
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:37.960
have that blu Ray? I totally still do.
1901
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:40.640
Of course you did. H Yeah, Trick is a lot
1902
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:43.399
of fun and really unexpectedly so.
1903
01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:46.560
And I believe the same director as the Mylaody Valentine remake.
1904
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:50.560
Uh could be. I'm surprised. I don't know who that
1905
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:53.720
is off the top of my head. It's a French
1906
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:54.560
Canadian guy.
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01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.439
It is directed by Patrick lucy Er.
1908
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.279
Yeah that's him. Yeah, Patrick lues Here yep, Yeah, definitely
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01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:03.319
did My Bloody Valentine.
1910
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:05.960
So we are talking about Trick next week on the show.
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Yes we are. And if you're listening to this over
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at Weekly Spooky, we thank you for joining us to
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talk a little bit about scary movies. And we'll be
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talking about four more every Tuesday this month in October.
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And of course, if you're in regular do you even
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movie listener. As you know, you'll always and I do
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mean always, see us next Tuesday. So take care everybody,
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and we'll see you then
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