Aug. 25, 2025

Monthly Spooky | Yuba County Five Mystery, Creepy Closet Note, and Venomous Sea Slugs

Monthly Spooky | Yuba County Five Mystery, Creepy Closet Note, and Venomous Sea Slugs
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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends

This month on Monthly Spooky, we investigate the unsolved 1978 Yuba County Five disappearance in Northern California—four friends found under tragic, baffling circumstances and the enduring question of Gary Mathias. Was it panic, hypothermia, or something far stranger? This true crime deep dive unpacks the case, the clues, and the most credible theories. You’ll also hear fresh spooky news and curiosities:

- Erin Patterson update on the Death Cap mushroom poisoning case in Australia
- Venomous sea slugs spotted on beaches—what beachgoers should know
- A late-night bat scare that turns ordinary into eerie
- The viral haunted painting rumor and why “creepy art” stories spread
- A closet message that feels ripped from a nightmare
- A dash of UFO festival excitement, because of course there is
Why this episode matters

- One of America’s most haunting cold cases with enduring mysteries
- The only member never found—Gary Mathias—and the long-tail theories
- How folklore, fear, and media shape what we believe about unsolved disappearances

The discussion connects Yuba County Five Mystery, Creepy Closet Note, and Venomous Sea Slugs without flattening them into one story; each segment retains the names and context that make it useful beyond the month of release.

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Cheese of nightmares. You heard me right, five missing men

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on a strange mountain road, venomous creatures on a Spanish beach,

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and threatening messages carved in your closet.

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Get comfortable, turn off the lights. It's monthly spooky.

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Hello everybody, it it is that time of the month.

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It's monthly spooky. I am, of course your host, Enrique

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Kuto here with my good buddy and co host Michelle. Michelle,

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how are you. We have gotten request that you don't whimper? Answers, Oh, no,

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like they said, they were like, if you're gonna whimper,

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it has to be at least eighty percent of a word.

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It can't. It can't be like sixty percent wimper forty percent. Response. Oh,

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I love the term whimper. When you when you did that,

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I immediately thought, I was like, that's a whimper, And

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I was like, whimper is a funny term. But I

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I Michelle has been having a child. We've both been

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having challenging weeks. I lost my voice, which is just

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nothing worse really that can happen. And Chelle is having

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problems with her mosaic.

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Yeah, it's it's like a me problem. Where I use

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instead of instead of grout, I used like concrete patch

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just because my brain stopped working and I was like,

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this feels weird, this doesn't feel like usual. Let me

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just do it for three hours.

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I mean, I'm glad you didn't mistake it for you know, mayonnaise.

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That would have been a lot harder of a day.

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Well no, I mean well if it had gone in

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the other direction and I was like, huh, this is

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really soft, I guess I'm just gonna do it. All

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they would if I had to do was just wash

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it off.

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Oh I meant that you put concrete on your sandwich.

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Oh. I don't really use a lot of mayonnaise, so

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it would be hard.

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Oh, Lottie dat madam fancy You're like, I use aolie.

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But for those who don't understand a mosaic in this context,

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because I didn't know what you were talking about when

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you first started it, I had to ask you, is

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you're creating like a mosaic art piece on your on

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your front steps?

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Mm hmm. Well yeah, I was doing one front step

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and then I did parts of my foundation, and then

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I'm doing this step closest to my door. That's the

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one I fucked up today. Oh okay, yeah, the other

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ones are done, so I just I didn't even have

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to do this one. I just was like, let's do

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another one because it's fun and also not going to

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stress me out more.

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Uh. But the only thing I've noticed about the process

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of you mosaic in the front of your house is

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that it stressed you out immensely.

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Well, it did at the beginning, and then I like

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kind of got used to it and I was like, Okay,

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this is kind of relaxing. I just have to sit

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here for hours and stick these pieces of glass on

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this wall. So and I got plates. Yeah exactly, I

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got cocky. So I fucked up a lot.

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I like to imagine that you're like making this mosaic,

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You're just like listening to Limp Biscuit and just like

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shattering plates.

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Excuse me, no, but I have been listening to the

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the the New Jersey Metal radio station while it so.

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Is that what it's called New Jersey Metal Radio or no,

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it's called it's something else.

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It's the it's the station out of.

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Curiell.

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No, No, it's no, it's out of one of the oranges.

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It's a really important metal station, and yeah, to listen

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to it in real life sometimes, like when you go

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up north, you can catch it. So I was like, oh,

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I could just listen to it on my phone. So

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I was listening to like corn and stuff. But there

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it's a really good station. And for some reason, my

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brain just like stopped remembering what it's called. So I

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can't even tell everyone. And I'm sad.

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Now you weren't sad before, huh No, I was.

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I'm a little bit more sad now that I don't

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remember what the station is.

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I'm sorry, buddy. Uh No, That's why I was. I

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kept naming uh cities near you because at first I

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thought you met you were listening to it over the air.

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like Cherry Hill or Trenton or you know, if it's

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going to reach you in Philly. Yeah.

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No, it's w S O U coming from Seaton Hall University.

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Oh okay, I've heard of Hall.

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They they just have like a I think for like

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the last thirty years or so, they just had a

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total metal station basically.

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Thirty years, I think.

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I think, so just like forever.

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Yeah, well yeah, And then I say thirty years and go,

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oh wait, thirty years It was not that long ago. Yeah,

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I still think thirty years ago was thirty years ago.

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In two thousand and five, Yeah, I was watching you

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know how I know I'm getting old. I'm going to

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be thirty nine next month. And the way I really

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feel like I'm getting old is not even having my

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thyroid go bad, which the medication is making me feel

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way better. Last time we recorded the show, it was

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my first day on the med so they hadn't started

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making me horribly sick yet. Oh so I lucked out

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because it would have been really hard to do the

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show if I had been all sick. But the way

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I really feel old now is I was watching a

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movie that was set in two thousand oh and I

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was like, okay, like it was like a thriller, but

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they said it in two thousands, so like people are

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pulling out like weird Panasonic handicams and stuff, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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I know, I oh not care. But my favorite was

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they kept playing like you know, early two thousands music cues,

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and at one point they played up in Here by DMX,

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and I felt so old. I was like, I was

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just about he was like, Yo, gonna give me some

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heartburn up in here. Here, I've got an appointment with

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an osteopath up and here. So that's how it felt anyway.

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But actually the movie was Holland on Amazon Prime was

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actually really fun thriller from so but yeah, yeah, other

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than being sick on my thyroid medicine, which now I'm not,

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and now I feel like a lot better, like really well,

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and supposedly it's not even done absorbing, like it's gonna

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be another month before I'm like really where I'm supposed

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to be with it. So I'm very happy with that,

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very happy. My voice is mostly back because October is

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looming and I have so much recording to do, just

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an obscene amount of recording to do. So yeah, it's

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it's good times like that. But with that all being said,

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I'm very excited because we have some great spooky news

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to get into, including a story that made me think

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of you immediately. Oh no, I know, no, it's bad news.

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And our topic is something I had never heard of

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that I'm really excited to dive deep into, which is

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the Yuba County five.

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I don't know where Yuba County is.

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California I'm pretty sure, watch me be wrong, but the

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Yuba County five has been referred to as the summertime

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Yetlav Past incident. Hu, And I know you know about

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did y'all plastic because you actually wrote the terrifying true

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episode about yet Lava?

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Yes, I did.

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Yeah, so that's what it said. Like when I when

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I was looking at option, what'd.

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You say it was an avalanche?

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Oh yeah, definitely, but in this one it couldn't because

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there's no ice or snow. But yeah, but like when

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I was looking up, yeah, you, but County five had

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just said like summer dietlav past incident basically. So so

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that'll be our topic after we talk about some spooky

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news stories, and we have plenty of them and uh

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so much more. So we'll get to all of that

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right after this and we are back before we dive

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into the news that is spooky. I did promise us

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and Aaron Patterson update right Aaron Patterson of course, the

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death cap mushroom murderer in Australia and unfortunately, as of

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the time of this recording, she has not been sentenced.

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Wow.

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So she was found guilty on July seventh of twenty

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twenty five and a two day pre sentenced hearing is

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scheduled four tomorrow, oh man, so and tomorrow of when

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this is airing, so Tuesday of this week. So, and

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that doesn't mean that she'll be sentenced in that day

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or so. So hopefully next month on Monthly Spooky, we'll

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have a final update on what her fate is. Because

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what a saga. Yeah yeah, that has been still I

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still can't believe. For those who missed that episode, you

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really should listen to the episode where we discovered the

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deathcat mushroom thing because the article was super long and

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we were so engrossed. It ended up taking up like

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five or six segments when most stories take up one

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maybe one and a half, because it just kept getting crazier.

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The more we read, the more we were like, wait, what,

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hold on what because like every time we take a break,

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I'd be like, Shell, I think I'm just gonna keep going.

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I need to know what happens, and you're like, yeah,

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me too, me too. So but with that all being said,

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it's time for the spooky news.

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The spooky news.

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So Cell, it's not often I see a spooky news

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story that feels like it would happen to you.

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I don't know.

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I mean, it just sounds like the kind of thing

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that would happen to you, huh, or that, or more

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so that you would think would happen to you. I

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guess the better way to put it. So this is

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from the New York Post. Headline is Massachusetts woman hit

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with five figure medical bill after a wild bat flew

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into her mouth on vacation.

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Oh man, yeah, I'm scared that would happen.

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This was a news story I heard just like Living Life.

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I just heard about it. Oh really, And I kind

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of had to go and save it for the show

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because I was like it, like, this just sounds like

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something Michelle would be like, I don't want to go

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on vacation. What if a bat flies in my mouth?

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And everyone want to be like, come on, flown in

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someone's mouth before?

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So this story is pretty interesting. A woman on vacation

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whose employer sponsored health plan had lapsed after recently being

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laid off wound up with over twenty thousand dollars in

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medical bills after a bat flew into her mouth.

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Wow.

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Erica Khan, thirty three, was visiting Glen Canyon National Recreation Area.

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What a what a name Glen Canyon National Recreation Area.

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Yeah, I think it's good.

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It doesn't even have like a good acronym. For a second,

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I was like, maybe it's the acronym. No, it's GCNRA.

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That's a good actronow Okay, I mean if you like

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it in Arizona. Sorry, what do you say?

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I don't know?

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Okay. When the horrific encounter with the winged mammal took place,

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the former biomedical engineer that's just extra funny noticed a

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number of bats flying around while she was outside taking

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pictures of the night sky, but didn't think much of it.

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She didn't close her mouth, that.

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Is, until one got too close for comfort, winding up

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trapped between her camera and face. What when she please?

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Like, what do you mean between your camera and faith? Dude,

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you know that you can move both your face and

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the camera right.

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I'm guessing this happened in a matter of seconds. Yeah,

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like split seconds. When she screamed in terror, an unknown

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part of the bat wound up in her mouth for

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a few seconds.

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Oh wow. See that's good though, because I when I'm

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like scared, I don't scream, so I would be fine

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in this situation.

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You just WinCE right, I just.

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No, I just either freeze or freeze, So.

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Yeah, okay, gotcha.

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Her father, a physician who had been traveling with her,

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said she should immediately start a course of rabies treatments,

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even though she wasn't sure she had been bitten. She

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quickly went online to purchase a medical insurance plan before

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going to a hospital and Flagstaff to begin treatments, under

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the impression it would cover her two week course of

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raby shots, which she received at clinics in Arizona, Massachusetts,

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and Colorado. But her biggest shock of all came when

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the bill arrived, showing she owed twenty thousand, seven hundred

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and forty nine dollars between the four facilities for treatment,

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including four dots of the rabies vaccine and three shots

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of immunoglubin to increase antibodies against the virus, which is

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fatal if left untreated. I mean, I am not surprised

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by I am surprised because medical billing just never makes

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any sense. Yeah, because like that's more than my entire

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gallbladder surgery costs, by like a huge margin.

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Yeah, why is it that expensive?

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I mean, I think don't well, because the prices don't matter.

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somebody who was uninsured for like his entire adult life.

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It's whose line is it? Anyway, the rules don't matter,

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and the rules are made up and the points don't matter.

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Like they'll be like, oh, this is gonna be twenty

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four thousand dollars and they're like, well, I don't have

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twenty four thousand dollars. And they're like, oh, this is

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gonna be two thousand dollars. And you're like, you didn't

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even talk to anybody or look at anything. The number

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changed that fast. What is going on? And I have

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a friend who works in radiology, and he told me

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that at the hospital network he works at, they expect

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to collect roughly eight percent of everything they build. Wow,

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which was extra funny because when I looked at the

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bill for my hospital stay for the surgery, it was

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eight percent of it was about it was eight or

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seven percent of what they what the cost was. Wow,

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that was like what they that was what they build

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me like it said like with discount, and then it

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was like the discount was like eighteen thousand dollars or

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something ridiculous. So it's It's weird, is what I'm saying.

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And I hope she doesn't end up saddled with this

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whole thing. It's really ridiculous. But also going from to

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multiple clinics, that's really going to be confusing.

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To I mean, I think maybe what the problem was.

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I mean obviously I don't know, but a lot of

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insurance policies, you can't just go to a different state

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and get treatment. I mean if it's not an emergency,

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I mean like a like at a hospital. Yeah, you

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just go into like a place it's probably not going

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to be under a policy.

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That's the other tricky thing is unfortunately, like you shouldn't

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use the emergency bill. You should use the emergency over

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for this in my opinion, but like yeah, but like

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you know, there's talk about how some people will use

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the emergency room for all their medical care because they

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can't turn you away, and they basically will often let

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go of the bill if you don't have insurance. So

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and I'm not this is not like advice. I've had

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experiences where I've had medical bills just disappear too. Like

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I was like, oh, I'm not ready to pay this yet,

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Like I don't have any money, and I didn't even

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tell anybody. I was just like, oh, well, I'll wait

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till I send the next bill. And then another bill

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never came, and then years later I even looked for

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the bill and I still can't. I mean, like I

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went on, like I checked if I owed anything to anybody,

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and it was just gone, wow. So I was like, okay, cool,

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I couldn't pay this if I wanted to, because the

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bill's gone.

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I thought you meant like you couldn't. You kept the

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bill in your house and then you couldn't find it.

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It was like it never happened.

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Oh man, glitching the matrix. Yeah, well, we'll look into

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some more of the gory details from a financial standpoint

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of this story. Right after this, we are back talking

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about the only thing scarier than Rabi's medical billing, and

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the piece continues with she didn't realize the insurance plan

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she had purchased a day before started treatment before starting

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treatment required a thirty day waiting period before coverage would

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kick in. An explanation of benefits letter she got in

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the mail grimly explained when I got I actually got

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insurance due to emergency basically, and it was thirty days

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when I did it last year.

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Yeah, no, I believe that. I honestly like, if you're

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going on this kind of a trip where she's you know,

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going to be out in nature and stuff, you should

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have insurance. I know that not everybody can. And her

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insurance went away because she got but like she was

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obviously able to pay for it when you know this happened.

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So this is unfortunately, this is kind of on her

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a little bit.

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Well it is, I mean, but it's still very unfortunate circumstance.

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But it also went viral because it's bizarre. Yeah, it's

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about a bat, yeah, flying into your mouth. You know,

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most people worry about bats flying into your hair.

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I don't think they really want to fly into your anything.

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I mean, this story kind of makes it sound like

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you might be wrong on that one.

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Think the bat got scared because she screamed and it

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didn't know what to do, so it fell into the sound.

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Yes, it was just like I feel really awkward right now,

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I'll just go into your mouth. Yeah, but I will

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say like that is a little bit like to think

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that you would like sign up for medical insurance and

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then that day have medical insurance is a little a

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little silly and actually the next quote she says is,

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I thought it must have been a mistake. I guess

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I was naive. You're thirty three years old. I'm not

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trying to be a jerk, but like you're an adult,

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you you know. But part of me thinks she's like

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playing dumb. I don't know a lot of people just

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I mean, insurance is confusing and annoying. I mean, I'm

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glad I have good insurance, and I'm really glad I

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have it, but like it took, it was a lot

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of learning curve for me. You've been buying independently insurance

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for a really long time.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean on and off. I did have

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at one pointed job that, yeah, gave me insurance, but yeah,

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in general, I've been just buying my own insurance.

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Yeah. Were you doing it before the healthcare marketplace?

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Yes?

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I thought so. Yeah, Yeah it sucked. It sucked before

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the marketplace. Would you have to have like a like

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a person, like a middleman?

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No, it was just really expensive.

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Oh okay, see, I see a lot of my independent

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contractor friends that it went it got more expensive after

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the marketplace.

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I think it probably depends on how much income you

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make because like for for a low low income individuals

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such as myself, it is less expensive, significantly less expensive

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than it was for me before the marketplace. But that

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doesn't mean that the actual cost of insurance isn't like

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a hundred times more or whatever. It's because yeah, but

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like I was, I was like covered back when you

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could still deny people for pre existing conditions, and shit, yeah,

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I almost didn't get my shoulder surgery covered because I

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had just gotten health insurance, not surgery when I went

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to the hospital because I dislocated it. I had just

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bought insurance like a couple of months before or like

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a month before, and they were like, it's a pre

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existing It's like, no, it's a dislocated shoulder. Like I

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don't understand, Like what do you like I couldn't walk

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around like this?

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Yeah? Yeah, No. When I got insurance, the first thing

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I thought was I was like, well, my health is insured.

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Time to go skiing? Yeah exactly, let's go.

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Yeah.

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After being laid off from her engineer position the previous month,

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she opted against her insurance under Cobra for six hundred

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and fifty dollars a month, rolling the dice that she

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would not wind up facing an unexpected medical emergency. Con

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told the knowledge. She's since gotten a new job and

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once again has health insurance, so that's good. She's negotiated

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some of the bills down a bit, but says she

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still owed more than nineteen thousand dollars for retreatment a

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bit and you didn't even get like two grand off.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but it does say she plans to continue appealing.

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She should. There's no way they're going to actually expect

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her to pay that. Yeah, no chance. I mean a

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lot of have you ever noticed that, Like some bills,

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it's like they'll just send it to you to see

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if you'd pay it. No, They're just they're just well no, no,

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but I mean like they'll just be like, gee, I

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wonder if you'd pay this. Like I like got my

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apartment in Jersey. They kept my massive, my massive. They

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tried to keep my entire deposit and then tried to

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bill me like a little bit more, and I when

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I complained until he gave me back a third of

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my deposit. But they kept over twelve hundred dollars because

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the carpets were dirty after three years of living there,

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So like fuck that guy. But uh, my point is

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like I was like, Wow, if I had just had money,

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I would just pay this, like dar okay, and like

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like it's like they're like, come on, dumb money, Come on,

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dumb money. Despite her horrifying encounter with wildlife ripped from

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the stuff of nightmares, con said it hasn't put a

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damper on her love for the great outdoors. Quote, I

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know what bats take taste like now, it's an earthy,

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sweet kind of flavor, she joked to the outlet. It's

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actually a pretty funny story if it weren't for the

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horrible medical bill that came with it. Around four thousand

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animal rabies cases are reported each year in the US,

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according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, with

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less than ten people dying of the virus per anim

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More than ninety percent occur in animals like skunks, raccoons, foxes,

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and bats. Bats account for the highest proportion of reported

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animal rabies cases at thirty three percent. I know, yeah,

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you're very afraid of getting rabies, right, Yes, yeah, it's scary.

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You ever watch those videos of people with rabies? No

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were they're like afraid of water. Literally, I don't want

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to see you want a couple of water in front

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of them. They're like terrified.

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No, I'm scared. No, I would never watch that.

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No, yeah, don't know. I'm not saying you should. I'm

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saying I did, and I regret it.

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Geez.

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Yeah, jeez, how would you do that? Yeah? Because I'm

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a fool.

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Why would somebody film.

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That to document health? I mean maybe so, Chelle, I

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know you're not much of a late night snacker, right, Yeah,

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Well I found out through this news story that we're

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going to cover after the break, that a very popular

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late night snack could be the stuff of nightmares.

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Good.

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We're gonna talk about that and much more right after this.

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All right, this article is from the Huffington Post, and

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the headline you know, of course, because the Huffington Post

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is always so clever. If you love cheese, this new

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study is an absolute nightmare. Oh, you may want to

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put that many baby bell you eat before bedtime down.

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A new study suggests that consuming cheese before you drift

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off may help fuel nightmares. Fine, It's long been suggested

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that eating certain foods can cause nightmares, or at least

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some pretty strange dreams, but up until recently, that belief

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was largely anecdotal. I have had experiences with wild dreams

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after eating ice cream late at night.

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Interesting.

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In fact, one of the most vivid memories of having

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a crazy dream because of eating ice cream fifteen years ago.

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Whatever I was dead broke, I used to occasionally I

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had a change jar, and occasionally I would just take

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the change to the grocery store at like one in

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the morning, and I would buy like a pint of

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ice cream to like cheer myself up, and I would

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pay for it with coins. But because it was self checkout,

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it wasn't as obnoxious, you know, yea to like sit

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there and put quarters in because and there's no line.

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Yeah, I remember talking about this before with you.

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We've been friends so long. I can't believe you remember that.

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But no, I just didn't feel bad yet because I

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could just sit there, there's no line behind me. It's

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one in the morning, and I'm just paying with dimes

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and quarters and it's fine. You know, nobody cares. And

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you know, this is twenty fourteen, So a tub of

468
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.599
ice cream was like two dollars and eighty five cents, right,

469
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.200
you know, as opposed to one point seven million dollars

470
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.640
in today's money. So but I remember I came home.

471
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.160
I must have had a bad day or something, and

472
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.680
I ate the entire pint. And I don't usually do that.

473
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.839
I mean, especially even when I was younger. Now I

474
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.640
don't do that because I just can't. Like last night,

475
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.240
I ordered some fried chicken and I was like, oh, yeah,

476
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.079
I'm gonna have a wing and a thigh and a

477
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.200
leg and a breast. I barely got through. I had

478
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.680
the breast, a leg, and I barely got through the thigh,

479
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:09.960
and I was like, oh, go on full. And when

480
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.319
I was twenty two, one time I ate an entire

481
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.720
bucket of KFC and then went dancing all night like

482
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.480
it was a frigging monster.

483
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:17.200
Wow.

484
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.680
Yeah, And yet somehow I'm just as fat, So what

485
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:25.920
the hell? No? But uh but no. I came home

486
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.880
that night and I had insane dreams after I ate

487
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.119
that pinto ice cream and it was like I literally

488
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.039
like put the spoon into the empty carton and like

489
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.559
just conked out. And I had like I had dreams

490
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.480
that like friends of mine were trying to kill me.

491
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.359
I had dreams that I was like in a car

492
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.960
driving like speeding down the highway, trying to escape something

493
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.079
I didn't know. I just had all these crazy dreams.

494
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:50.440
And that was when I was like, Okay, no ice

495
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.799
cream before bed unless you're feeling adventurous in your sleep. Yeah,

496
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:01.759
so let's see. Oh yeah, So the belief was largely

497
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:06.000
anecdotal until about twelve years ago, when dream neuroscientist Tor

498
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.839
Nielsen of the University of Montreal and Russ Powell, a

499
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.920
professor emeritus in the Department of Psychology at McEwan University

500
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.480
in Canada, decided to conduct some good, hard research on

501
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.039
the topic.

502
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.079
Yeah.

503
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:23.480
Quote. We were particularly interested in whether cheese might be

504
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.960
indicated as one such food, as it is often identified

505
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:31.759
in various folklore traditions as resulting in bizarre dreams or nightmares.

506
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.160
Hmm.

507
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.039
I have heard about this, that there are people, like

508
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.519
in Scotland, people called nightmare cheese cheese that they save

509
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.279
to eat at night if they want to have interesting dreams.

510
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.039
I've heard of that.

511
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:45.920
Wow.

512
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.839
Yeah, I love folklore. It's one of the reasons I

513
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.799
started doing Terrifying and True on this channel is I

514
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.599
love folklore. I love the idea of like, you know

515
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.480
that a town has these conversations about like, oh, the

516
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.599
old hat that does this and this and this, or

517
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.279
you know, oh, you have to put a tennis racket

518
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.279
on your door because that's how you keep the what

519
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.039
I'm like fascinated by shit like that tennis racket thing

520
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.799
I made up, but still I find that stuff fascinating.

521
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.640
The results revealed that it was dairy in general, not

522
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.200
just cheese, that was the food group most often identified

523
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.359
by students as affecting their dreams. See yeah, look at me, Yeah,

524
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.680
I know what's up. In the new correlational study published

525
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.319
in the Journal of Frontiers in Psychology in June, the

526
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.680
researchers dug a little deeper into why that is. Namely,

527
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.400
Powell and Nielsen wanted to see if lactose intolerance and

528
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.960
the resultant gastro intestinal distress might be at the heart

529
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:49.319
of those disturbing post cheese eating dreams. That's interesting, well,

530
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:51.519
and I will say so because I've always had my

531
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.720
issues with food. I am so aware of how much

532
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.200
better I sleep if I stop eating by eight o'clock,

533
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.799
like there's nothing in system. Like even if I go

534
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.640
to bed at like one in the morning, I'll just

535
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.799
sleep so much better if there's just nothing in my system.

536
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.480
But gosh, sometimes it's so comforting to like eat something

537
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.480
close to bedtime. I'm like, no, no, no, no, I'm

538
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.640
not one of those people who will like eat something

539
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:20.640
like like get out of bed and eat something and

540
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.160
go back to bed. I might. I just will sometimes

541
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.119
be like, boyish, I would love a sandwich right now,

542
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.319
and I'm gonna go to bed in like an hour

543
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.559
and a half. And it's like that's not ideal. You know.

544
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.279
I'm not a crawl out of bed and eat, but

545
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.240
I am like eat somewhat close to bed person. And

546
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.519
I got really good at not doing that for a while,

547
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.920
and then it broke when I started taking my thyroid

548
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:44.160
medicine because it made my appetite so freaking high. Yeah,

549
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.440
it's a lot better now it's evening out. But like

550
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.039
I was, like, I felt like I was just a

551
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.039
frigging furnace that you throw coal into, except the coal

552
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:59.039
was jujubes and ham sandwiches. I didn't I didn't eat

553
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.359
either of these, Like, never eaten either of those things.

554
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:11.559
Why did I say that? To conduct the study, they

555
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.519
recruited one thousand and eighty two psychology students from the

556
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.640
McEwan University and asked them to complete an online survey

557
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.240
that examined their food habits, sleep time and quality dreams

558
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:26.000
and nightmares. Oh sorry, sleep time and quality dreams and nightmares.

559
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.880
They also probe the student's perception of how certain kinds

560
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.119
of foods and time of eating impacted their sleep and dreams,

561
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.480
if at all. As in the original study, the results

562
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.359
revealed that eating dairy rich foods was associated with disturbing

563
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.799
dreams and lo and behold, yep, there was a correlation

564
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:49.680
between lactose intolerance, gastrointestinal symptoms, and nightmare severity.

565
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:50.839
Interesting.

566
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.400
This is extra weird when you consider I don't know

567
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.839
about you. When I was growing up, like if you

568
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.960
had trouble sleeping, they'd be like, drink a big glass

569
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:57.359
of milk.

570
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.680
Yeah, well it helps you sleep, but then you just

571
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.200
have really bad dreams.

572
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:09.960
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I don't like milk very much.

573
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.359
So as an adult, Yeah, I like almond milk in

574
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.640
stuff Like if I'm gonna have cereal or like dip cookies,

575
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.279
then I'm going I'm all almond milk about it. Okay,

576
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.480
But even that, I don't do that often, Like one

577
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.799
one like carton of almond milk will last me months

578
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.839
because like it's just occasionally I need that, and then

579
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.359
I have cream for cooking, because I do cook with cream,

580
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:34.519
you know, Okay, like I make forritatas and stuff and

581
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.759
you need to put heavy cream in the eggs to

582
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:43.039
fluff them up. Oh, I made an amazing fritada last week. Anyway,

583
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:44.559
that makes sense?

584
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:44.920
Uh?

585
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.839
Wait, that makes sense is the first Oh, the researcher said,

586
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.799
it's not in quotes. Oh, thanks a lot of it

587
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.200
to post. Because it's known that other bodily sensations can

588
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.559
affect dreaming, our brain can sometimes incorporate external sensory stimuli sound, smells,

589
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.519
or physical sensations into the content and plots points of

590
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.920
our dreams, either directly or indirectly. For example, grinding your

591
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.920
teeth can lead to dreams about your teeth falling out,

592
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:16.640
said one study in twenty eighteen. We're gonna dive deeper

593
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.279
into this cheesy, pleasy dream story after a quick break.

594
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.880
All right, let's find out more about the nightmares that

595
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.039
Cheese Cause, which by the way, sounds like a really

596
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.640
like a really lame conceptual album that somebody's like that

597
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.799
somebody's like, please listen to my CD, and Nightmares that

598
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.359
Cheese Cause as in the original study. Oh wait, no,

599
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.160
uh oh, Before we get to that, I did want

600
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:52.079
to mention they mentioned how other bodily sensations can affect dreaming.

601
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.960
You've had that right, where like external factors make you dream.

602
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.240
Do you have any funny examples of that.

603
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.319
I'm not sure if I understand what you.

604
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.960
Mean, but like like hearing a sound and you start

605
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.799
dreaming about the sound or something like that.

606
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.719
Oh. Usually it's the other way for me, where I

607
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.880
think I hear a real sound and then I wake up.

608
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.320
But yeah, auditory hallucination. Yeah, but I do have that thing,

609
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.320
you know, when you're just about to like you're kind

610
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.800
of falling asleep, and then you have like an involuntary

611
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.519
leg movement and whatever happens in the dream and you

612
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:29.880
like fall or something.

613
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.119
Oh yeah. The worst one of those I ever had

614
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.199
was when I was a kid, because I suffered from

615
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.920
sleep paralysis occasionally as well. And one of the worst

616
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:41.920
experiences of that I ever had. I remember it so

617
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.400
vividly because it was so scary. I dreamt I was

618
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.400
like eight or nine years old, and I dreamt I

619
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:52.039
was standing on my dresser in my bedroom and decided

620
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.840
to jump from my dress dresser to my bunk bed

621
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.599
and missed the didn't make the distance and went headfirst

622
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:03.400
into the wood of my bunk bed, and I, like

623
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.239
my whole body like leapt up out of the bed

624
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.719
and it scared the shit out of my car in Terrier.

625
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:15.079
He was just like, what the ship I was asleep? Man. No,

626
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.920
Toto was not the nicest dog. He growled at me

627
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.559
for oh, and I'm like, I'm just a child. He's like,

628
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.840
I know, I'll bite you. He was. He was a

629
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.760
mean old bastard, that dog. I loved him to death,

630
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.239
but he was a mean old bastard anyway. But No,

631
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:38.559
I've had like like little things where like obviously if

632
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.480
my body's really stressed, are really sore, it'll make my

633
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.440
dreams more you know, stressful, I guess, you know, Like

634
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.119
I've had little things like that, but you know, and

635
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:50.960
I have had a few times where I felt like

636
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.840
my alarm clock kind of became a part of the

637
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.840
dream for a minute before I woke up. Okay, but

638
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.199
it's hard to describe what that means. Like, like, the

639
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.800
only way I could describe it would be that like

640
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.559
in my dream, I thought I was hearing that sound

641
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:09.119
m yeah. Well, actually, sometimes when I'm almost asleep, I

642
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:13.719
swear I start to like to see images of like,

643
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.599
cause I go to sleep watching like or listening to

644
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.360
television and stuff. Sometimes when I'm about to fall asleep,

645
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.000
i will close my eyes, and I swear I'll start

646
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.039
to see images that are matching the sound I'm hearing. Okay,

647
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.320
but like I'm only half listening to the sound too,

648
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.239
So like if I start to like look too closely

649
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.519
for lack of a better term, then I'll realize, like, oh,

650
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.039
this is gibberish, and so is what I'm seeing, Like,

651
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.440
like I'm seeing gibberish too. Yeah, it's really weird.

652
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.480
Yeah, I like sometimes when I'm falling asleep because I

653
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.079
don't watch TV or anything when I'm going to sleep,

654
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.079
but I'll be thinking about stuff because that's what I'm doing,

655
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.360
and then all of a sudden, my thoughts will get

656
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.719
like totally nonsensical, and I won't realize for a minute.

657
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.199
I'll be like, what even does any of that mean?

658
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:04.119
Uh? Sleep is weird? Oh. Cheese wasn't the only nightmare

659
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.280
of culprit in this study, though. Whereas the first study

660
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.800
found that dairy was the food type most strongly associated

661
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.239
with disturbing dreams. This one found that it was desserts

662
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.159
and sweets that are most strongly associated with messed up dreams.

663
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.719
That sucks, I mean, but that makes sense because like

664
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.440
ice cream for real, m fill your stomach with ice

665
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.880
cream before bed and see how you dream. I mean,

666
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.800
come on, no, oh, okay, fine. I was gonna ask

667
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.360
you if you would eat a bunch of cheese before

668
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:38.800
bed tonight and report back.

669
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.079
Oh I can't because I'm not supposed to eat right

670
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.199
before I go to sleep.

671
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.679
Yeah, me neither. Let me join the club. Yeah, none

672
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.599
of us are supposed to. Now be found that the

673
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.920
doctor was like, all right, so you're gonna you're gonna

674
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.880
exercise a little bit more, you're gonna drink more water,

675
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.159
and you're gonna eat like a full meal right before

676
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:57.679
you go to bed.

677
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.760
Yeah.

678
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.599
Quote dairy placed second. Powell said, we don't know why

679
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.599
there is a difference from the first study, but it

680
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.079
may be that the culture in general is becoming increasingly

681
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:15.159
concerned about the unhealthy effects of junk food, and students

682
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.559
are therefore more inclined to attribute negative outcomes to such food.

683
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.679
I would I would think that's probably it.

684
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.159
Powell's advice for those who are loath to give up

685
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.079
cheese past a certain hour, try eating hard cheeses that

686
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.000
are relatively low in the amount of lactose they can contain,

687
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.039
such as Swiss cheddar and Monterey jack.

688
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.519
Or oh sorry, oh you should just get like a

689
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.840
handful of like grated parmeanan cheese.

690
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:46.840
Yeah, or lactose free cheeses cheeses in which the lactose

691
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.440
has been artificially removed. Sounds sounds really bad. Quote. It

692
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:56.039
may be that even some lactose tolerant individuals might still

693
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.079
need to avoid cheese, since we also found that food

694
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:04.760
allergies and sense nativities were associated with nightmares, though to

695
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.800
a lesser extent than lactose intolerance. So you're telling me,

696
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.880
if I eat a bunch of bee stings, I'm gonna

697
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.519
have weird dreams because of my allergic reaction.

698
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.039
I mean, I would think I would think, so, yeah, okay,

699
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.519
you might like be like really like hallucinating though, but you.

700
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:26.559
Know probably yeah you might also die. Yeah, you might die.

701
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.880
I'm not sure if you ate the bee stings, if

702
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.599
you die, or if that would be okay.

703
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.880
I can't imagine it would be okay, it would be okay.

704
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.840
I feel like okay is too strong, like would it

705
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.400
be survivable?

706
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.639
Okay? Yeah, exactly, that's.

707
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:49.360
Okay to you. Oh all right, I thought okay was

708
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.639
like below good but better than than bad or neutral?

709
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.239
Yeah, survivable.

710
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.559
Oh my god, we're all very worried about you, Michelle.

711
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.280
This isn't actually a podcast. This has all along been

712
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.639
an intervention.

713
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.719
Oh okay, I mean that seems about right.

714
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.599
So let's bring your family in now, Okay, it'll just

715
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.719
pop up on the screen.

716
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.719
Yeah.

717
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.119
When it comes to quality sleep, though, some may actually

718
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.039
benefit from a little cheddar or bree. A study published

719
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.960
in December found that eating cheese may reduce the risk

720
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:25.119
of sleep apnea.

721
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.639
Yay, let's eat some cheese.

722
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.760
How would that work?

723
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:32.039
I don't know.

724
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.599
I mean, I mean, first of all, I know from

725
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.079
experienced feet too much cheese you'll end up with sleep

726
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:41.280
apnia because, yeah, because your weight affects your sleep. Apnea

727
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:45.320
a lot, a common sleep disorder where breathing repeatedly stops

728
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.840
and starts during sleep. The authors of that study suggested

729
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.840
that essential nutrients found in cheese, including calcium, protein, and vitamins,

730
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.840
could influence metabolic and cardiovascular health, which are both factors

731
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.159
associated with sleep apnea. I mean, but you also, I

732
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.960
mean another element is like my esophagus is skinny, Like

733
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.039
that's the other reason I have sleeping Like I mean,

734
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.199
I mean if I because they told me, they were like,

735
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.679
if you lost a ton of weight, you would just

736
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.199
have way better sleep apnea. Oh okay, but they were like,

737
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.679
you would probably still have it because age combined with

738
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:24.360
weight usually leads to sleep apnea for men. So and

739
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.519
they believe that. There's some people that believe that, like,

740
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.559
once you're past like sixty six or sixty seven, if

741
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.639
you're a man, just regardless, you probably have it. It's

742
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.639
just like it's just a part of the body trying

743
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.360
to kill you. It's just like you've had a good run. Now,

744
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:37.679
stop breathing while you're sleeping.

745
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.679
Yeah.

746
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.239
To turn our attention back to dreams, the researchers here

747
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.400
also found that those eat who eat healthy tend to

748
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.159
have calmer dreams and better dream recall in the morning.

749
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.239
Though if you're having cheese induced nightmares, it's probably a

750
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:55.360
good thing your recall is a little off. I guess,

751
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.320
uh huh. Quote. We found that people who engage in

752
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.599
healthy eating patterns which include not only eating healthy foods,

753
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.760
but also eating mostly in response to internal feelings of

754
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.760
hunger and not eating late in the evening are less

755
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.679
likely to have disturbing dreams. Powell set, Okay, all right, yeah,

756
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.079
good for those people, we guess, but we'll take our

757
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.800
nighttime cheese and the consequences. Thanks huff Post. You're always

758
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.119
so clever, so creative. Well that's given me a lot

759
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.400
to think about. I do I am a string cheese

760
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.599
eater at night. Oh okay, I like me some string cheese.

761
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:31.400
You like string cheese?

762
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:33.119
Yeah? I do.

763
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.400
Do you like food you get to play with?

764
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.360
I don't know, not particularly. I just like that string

765
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.039
cheese takes a long time to eat.

766
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:42.440
Yeah, that's my favorite part.

767
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.320
For longer.

768
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.639
I will pull like the smallest strings, like I'm like

769
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.559
challenging myself to pull like the littlest strings off. So well,

770
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.039
we're gonna take a quick break and we'll we get back.

771
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.760
We're gonna talk about a family that move into a

772
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:01.840
new house and they find an interesting message hidden in

773
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:17.039
a closed door. Yay, right after this. Okay, we're back

774
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:25.360
with a story from Newsweek. I love doing house like

775
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.119
haunted house stories. And stuff. Because you are a certified

776
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.039
home inspector, you always bring something extra that I wouldn't

777
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.039
expect to, like to like the concept of like, you know,

778
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.800
there the cabinets open on their own, and you're just

779
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.920
kind of like, is it very humid? You know, like so,

780
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.000
but this headline was I kind of grabbed me. It

781
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.079
said family move into new house, chills at message found

782
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.559
scratched inside closet.

783
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.599
That's where you put your messages.

784
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.480
So it's true. So when I was kid, when I

785
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.559
was like eight seven or eight years old, we moved

786
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.639
into a townhouse and my closet was the weirdest closet.

787
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.920
It you walk in and it's just a closet, but

788
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.920
then there was like like on like maybe three feet

789
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.920
like square that went in further like a shelf, but

790
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.920
it went in like three or four feet. Like I

791
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.960
could go in there. I could climb up in there

792
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:25.760
and like sit there.

793
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:26.760
Huh.

794
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.199
And it was like my secret hideout. That wasn't the secret.

795
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:30.639
I mean, it's just straight there. Yeah, but like I

796
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.639
thought it was the coolest thing. I could like climb

797
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:35.199
up there. It was just a little cutout, you know,

798
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.199
like it looked normal, It looked you know, it like

799
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.719
matched the wall and everything. It was like clearly done

800
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.039
on purpose. But I guess that was just like extra

801
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:44.480
backstorage or something.

802
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.559
Yeah. Maybe maybe the where the wall was there, like

803
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.480
there was just an area that you know, wasn't in

804
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.719
a room and so they could push it back a

805
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.079
little bit further or whatever.

806
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.239
Yeah, or like pipes were below it, or I don't

807
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.440
fucking know. I mean, it's been a really long time.

808
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.559
I couldn't even tell you, you know, how close I was

809
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.920
to the bathroom because I was like seven. But I

810
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.679
just remember how cool I thought that was. I would

811
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.320
like sit up there and like read books and stuff.

812
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:08.039
Lucky.

813
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:10.880
Yeah, it was my own little secret hideout.

814
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:11.920
Yeah.

815
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.440
I was a cool kid. I had no friends, all right.

816
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.079
So a homeowner endured a few sleepless nights after discovering

817
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.400
an unsettling message scratched in the back of a closet

818
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:29.840
in her nineteen twenties home. Okay, you deal with a

819
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.199
lot of homes that are older, right, Yeah, because you're

820
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.679
out in that part of the country, Like out here,

821
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.119
there are very few nineteen twenties homes in Ohio. Like,

822
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.320
we don't do that. We knock them down and build

823
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.159
them again. Whatever you people in your love of the

824
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.800
old drafty houses with no central air. I don't know

825
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:49.159
what you people are thinking.

826
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.599
It's good, they're really sturdy sometimes and then they get

827
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.400
lots of rot and things.

828
00:45:58.239 --> 00:45:59.920
You listed that like the positive.

829
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:02.519
I mean, it's just true.

830
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:06.800
No, it is true. It is true. Did your elementary

831
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:07.840
school have air conditioning?

832
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:10.440
I don't know.

833
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:12.000
Mine did not.

834
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.119
Mine probably didn't because it was a really old building.

835
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.519
Same huh, No, you know what part of it was

836
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.360
old and then there was like a newer section, so

837
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.800
I bet, I bet it did have air conditioning.

838
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.559
So my elementary school, which was super old, did not

839
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.119
have air conditioning. Then my middle school, which was super new,

840
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.679
was a three story building and it had air conditioning.

841
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.920
And then the high school was you know, kind of

842
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.920
that typical like big, one level, you know, flat spread

843
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.480
out building. Okay, that didn't have air conditioning.

844
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.360
No, that sucks. My high school was brand new. We

845
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:54.280
were the first graduating class from it, and air conditioning.

846
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.519
Yeah, that area was really new at the time.

847
00:46:58.039 --> 00:46:59.079
It wasn't.

848
00:46:59.320 --> 00:46:59.519
No.

849
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.440
What was going on was we already had high school,

850
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.960
but our population just boomed so much that we needed

851
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.280
to build a second high school.

852
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.880
Oh well, that's kind of what what I met was

853
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.079
the area had like when I met by knew was

854
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.320
that like it had grown a lot. Yeah, it is

855
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:14.880
more what I meant, like you were kind of in

856
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.559
a like newer communities inside that area where like burgeoning. Yeah,

857
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.599
so I was right. I just had to lawyer my

858
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.039
way to it. I just I just said the lawyer

859
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.519
to it. Madeline Jones and her family moved into their

860
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.880
new home in Arlington, Massachusetts. That's why the house is

861
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.440
so old. They're in the Massachusetts a year ago, but

862
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.719
didn't notice anything was a miss until she recently began

863
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.000
reorganizing her clothes. That was when she saw the chilling

864
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.079
fifteen word message written in the back.

865
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.440
It's quick, somebody count how many words there are so

866
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.480
we can put it in the article quote.

867
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.519
It's way in the back of a probably three foot closet,

868
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:02.440
scratched into the contact paper, Jones told Newsweek. It totally

869
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:08.079
creeped me out, all right, etched crudely into the wood

870
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.960
at the back of the vintage piece of furniture, where

871
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:16.599
the following words, A red river clogs my eyes as

872
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:21.000
I slide down deeper from despair to death.

873
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.639
Awe, awe, someone was trying to be really edgy.

874
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.239
Nineteen twenties edgy.

875
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.559
I mean it could have been in the nineteen eighties.

876
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.679
It could have been nineteen ninety one.

877
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.960
That does scream the cure? You're right, Yeah, that like

878
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:40.079
screams the cure.

879
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.280
That to me, that's like, oh, you're a teenager and

880
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:48.360
you think you really like that word in.

881
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:49.679
My chemical romance.

882
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.719
Yeah.

883
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.760
Jones's home dates back to nineteen twenty four, meaning the

884
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.719
message could have been written anytime in the past century.

885
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.280
So far, her efforts at finding the origins of meaning

886
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.960
behind it have been fruitless. Quote. I initially thought it

887
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.800
must be song lyrics, but my Google search didn't turn

888
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.480
up anything. Joan said, that's because it's underground. You wouldn't

889
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:15.800
know it. It's like it's not your thing. I showed

890
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.360
the photo of to all my friends and family who

891
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.760
were equally spooked. It is creepy, though, like out of

892
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.400
with no context whatsoever, Like you just found it in

893
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.920
you're in the home you own, it's just written on

894
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:29.400
the wall. Would be a little weird.

895
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.400
I guess I just like houses just have shit written

896
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:34.280
in them all the time.

897
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.239
Yeah, well, didn't your house come with like a like

898
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.760
murderous looking dagger.

899
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:48.000
No, it wasn't a dagger, and it's not this house.

900
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:49.000
It was the last one.

901
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:50.679
I know it was the last one because I almost

902
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.679
took it with you. I almost took it with us,

903
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.360
and you're like, no, no, that was here when I

904
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.559
moved in and leave it, and I was like, oh, okay,

905
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.239
oh you can't make stuff like that out. That's too much.

906
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:08.400
Oh man. The lack of answers and the fact it

907
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.039
felt like something out of a horror movie left Jones

908
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.039
suffering from a few sleepless nights. Quote. Who could sleep

909
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.679
five feet away from something like that? She said me, Yeah,

910
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.800
you're like I find like thing. I find things in

911
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.199
my closets say I'm gonna kill you and stuff every day.

912
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.199
I'm just like, yeah, like.

913
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.039
I mean you haven't yet, Like what's taken you so long?

914
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:32.760
I'm right here.

915
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:34.320
Nice story, bro.

916
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.360
Yeah.

917
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.360
Jones would be forgiven for thinking something paranormal was at play.

918
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.199
While it's not the majority, A significant proportion of Americans

919
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.599
do believe in the supernatural world. We ripped we uh

920
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.280
dug deep into that gallup pol a couple. Was that

921
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.000
last month or the month before I think it was

922
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.599
last month. Yeah, slightly fewer than thirty nine percent believe

923
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:57.639
in ghost, while between twenty four and twenty nine percent

924
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.599
say they believe in six other paranormal phenomena. Yeah, we know, telepathy,

925
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.400
communication with the dead, clairvoyance, astrology, reincredation, witches. I love

926
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:12.320
that witches. Eager to get answers, Jones took to Reddit,

927
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.119
posting a picture of the message under the handle you

928
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:24.079
slash of vitamin mm okay, sure, yeah, it's as good

929
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.960
as any at least it doesn't have any slurs in it. Well,

930
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.719
we're gonna find out how she dove into Reddit after

931
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.800
this quick break. But it would have been hilarious if

932
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.840
you'd been like, uh so as far as the Reddit

933
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.280
stuff I found this week and then it was just

934
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.840
as well, that would have been really funny. But yeah,

935
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:42.360
we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll find

936
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.559
out what Reddit has to say. Is this a message

937
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:51.400
of murder or emo tane angst? Hopefully we'll find out

938
00:51:51.440 --> 00:52:05.000
after this. All right, we're back. Let's find out what

939
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:10.480
the brain trust at Reddit has to say. Quick aside,

940
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.960
have you ever looked at any of the RBI stuff?

941
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:14.679
I don't think so.

942
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.159
Reddit Bureau of Investigation. No, oh yeah, where there are

943
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.360
like actual crimes that have been solved by Reddit. Oh yeah,

944
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.559
it's pretty interesting if you ever want to look into

945
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.519
RBI stories. Yeah, I'm thinking maybe next year I'm going

946
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.360
to do a tear like a deep dive, terrifying and

947
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.559
true about like all the the like true like crime

948
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.559
stuff that's happened on Reddit, like when it was actually

949
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.480
a murderer posting or whatever, because I know stuff like

950
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.840
that's happened quite a bit so.

951
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.480
Or when Reddit like fucked up and incriminated somebody who

952
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.559
wasn't the right person, because that's happened before.

953
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.760
Oh I would I would. That surprises me less than

954
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.159
actually catching somebody, Like I believe that they would accuse

955
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.480
people of being a murderer or something more than they'd

956
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.119
actually be one. Yeah, because we all think that murderers

957
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.480
are just everywhere.

958
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:04.960
All the.

959
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.480
Right behind you right now.

960
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:11.960
I'm not gonna look because then it doesn't become real

961
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:13.920
how that works.

962
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:23.440
Don't wave what I'm supposed to be rude? Now?

963
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:28.400
Oh that's my cell quote. I love posting on Reddit.

964
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.880
You get such a wide range of reactions. My personal

965
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.239
favorite of the people who accuse you of staging something

966
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.880
like this for up votes. Joan said, well, now I

967
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:38.599
think she had staged it for up votes.

968
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:39.599
I think she staged it.

969
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.480
You know the moment she said I love posting on Reddit.

970
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.000
I was like, oh, this is about clout now, got it?

971
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.199
Got him. One user described the message as an example

972
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:58.400
of quote high school teenage angst. See yeah, see, it's

973
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:05.599
just as you flash. Michelle antisocial said like hey, Another

974
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.440
meanwhile shared a memory of doing similar quote when I

975
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:13.199
was twelvesh I distinctly remember what writing weird things on

976
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.000
the wall of my closet over the door where they'd

977
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.519
never really be seen. They said things like I will

978
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.320
burn this house down, and I hear voices at night.

979
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.960
Why I wanted someone to be scared if they stumbled

980
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.280
upon it. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, we'll have to

981
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.960
check if it's still there next time I visit. Okay. No,

982
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.199
at first I was like, oh, what you wanted to

983
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:34.960
sound like a psycho. Now I'm like, oh, you wanted

984
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:40.239
people to find it exactly be creeped out. That's funny. Yeah.

985
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:42.440
Have you seen those memes where it's like, uh, where

986
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.000
it's like ran to a party city? The day after

987
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.239
Halloween to get a cheap skeleton to put behind this

988
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.079
uh dry wall, just in case the next just for

989
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:51.760
the next just as a gift to the next person

990
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:56.119
who renovates this house. Yeah, like I would, I would

991
00:54:56.159 --> 00:55:00.440
do that. M That would be so mean. That would

992
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.159
scare you so.

993
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.800
Bad, you know what. I think it's totally acceptable.

994
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.719
Oh really yeah, yeah, okay.

995
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.760
Yeah, just leave in a little gift for the next person.

996
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:12.920
And now I'm going to be scared for like a

997
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:14.679
minute in and they're going to think it's really funny.

998
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.920
So yeah, yeah, Now it would be different if you

999
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.239
got like, you know, if you got like a skeleton

1000
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.800
that looked like it was like still had flesh still

1001
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.719
on it, and it was an animatronic that was motion censored,

1002
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:28.800
and you wired it into the house's power so it

1003
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:33.000
would work no matter what. That Oh, that's how you

1004
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:33.800
really do it.

1005
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:35.360
We're gonna have to do that now.

1006
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.119
I my cousin Jeff, who can like build anything, he's

1007
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.639
building an animatronic. He's almost done. He built an animatronic

1008
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.599
Jurassic Park display for his house for Halloween. It has

1009
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.159
a raptor cage where when you walk by it, the

1010
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.880
raptor's head starts banging around and it makes sounds. Wow,

1011
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:54.960
he can build anything. He could build that for me,

1012
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.440
and he would because he'd be like, screw that contract

1013
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.320
or whoever he may be, because he has a little

1014
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.119
bit of angst himself. I wish I was kidding though,

1015
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.320
he like built this crazy thing. I'll send you the

1016
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:11.239
video later. Yeah, it turns out that may that that

1017
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.480
may not be a million miles from the truth of

1018
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.440
Jones's situation. Quote. I talked to our neighbors who have

1019
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.159
lived next door since the nineteen seventies, and they told

1020
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.119
me that three daughters shared our bedroom, which is a

1021
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.519
maximum of one hundred square feet in the seventies and

1022
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.639
early eighties. One hundred. That's tight. That's not that tight.

1023
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:35.760
That's so yeah. I just like, why why is that?

1024
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.360
That must not be the biggest bedroom in the house. Then, like,

1025
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:39.920
why are you staying in that one? And he bought

1026
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:40.599
a house, like.

1027
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.599
I mean, there's just not maybe it's a two bedroom house.

1028
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:50.199
You people, I swear you coastal people. Quote upon further

1029
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.880
investigation of the closet, there are a number of things

1030
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:59.239
written inside there. You go, that's not one is a

1031
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:04.719
leen a four and I love Gary with Gary crossed out.

1032
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:11.960
Oh no, Houston, we have teenagers. Man, I'm mad that

1033
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.320
shell caught like you just freaking nailed this instantly.

1034
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.199
Well, I mean that's because that's I don't.

1035
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.239
I don't because that's what you were. You were that.

1036
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:23.800
Oh, I mean kind of, but I would. I didn't

1037
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.800
write on my closets, no, but but like, yeah, no,

1038
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.159
I mean that's just what this is.

1039
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.719
My ultimate conclusion is that this was the early nineteen

1040
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.400
eighties emo musings of a teenage girl. Still not the

1041
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.599
kind of thing you want to find etched into your

1042
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:45.800
one hundred year old closet wall. Though. Yeah, despite the

1043
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.679
unsettling nature of what was written, Jones has no plans

1044
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.440
to get rid of the wardrobe quote. It's a closet,

1045
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.079
so we're pretty stuck with it, she said, I may

1046
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.199
wallpaper over it at some point, but I'm enjoying the

1047
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.159
creep factor for the time being.

1048
00:57:59.599 --> 00:57:59.880
Good.

1049
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.440
Okay, that ended on a nice note. I love that

1050
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.960
I heard that. I was like, ooh, I wonder what

1051
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.960
that could be about. And you were just like teenager

1052
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.199
did it? And I was like, oh, sorry, no, you

1053
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:18.239
were right. I was wrong. I got what I deserved. Yeah,

1054
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:19.320
hope you're happy.

1055
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.639
I mean, I'm pretty happy just at this exact second.

1056
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.239
Not not happy anymore.

1057
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.400
Okay, Well, that lasted longer than I was expecting. So

1058
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.639
we're gonna take a quick break. But when we get back,

1059
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.039
we're going to talk about something kind of crazy going

1060
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:45.599
on in the beaches of Spain. Oh yeah, something venomous spiders. No,

1061
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:46.480
that's the thing.

1062
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:47.400
No.

1063
00:58:48.519 --> 00:59:00.719
Oh, so we're gonna find out right after this. All right,

1064
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:08.639
we're heading to a spanya eh a spinya a spinya Spain.

1065
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.079
CNN dot com headline beaches in Spanish tourist hotspot shut

1066
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.440
down after rare venomous sea slugs found.

1067
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:21.599
Hey, sea slugs.

1068
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:22.840
You like sea slugs, don't you?

1069
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.159
I need you cute.

1070
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.400
I'm not gonna lie. I had never I guess I

1071
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.639
had never seen a sea slug because this is them.

1072
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.440
Look how cute he is it.

1073
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.119
It's extremely cute. It looks like it has little wings

1074
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:41.280
and a tail. I'd never seen anything that looked like

1075
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.400
that before. So I'm still weird about the Michelle's like,

1076
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:50.159
oh boy, so cute. But beaches in the town of

1077
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:55.280
Guardademar del Segura in southeastern Spain closed earlier this week

1078
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.360
after the discovery of two venomous sea slugs in the water.

1079
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.599
Local authorities announced due to the appearance quote of the

1080
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.119
blue dragon, that's what they're called, blue dragon, and for

1081
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.800
motives of citizenry safety, we have banned all swimming on

1082
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.639
all of the municipal beaches until a new order, like

1083
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:17.800
Guatemar Police Force said in a post on Facebook on Wednesday.

1084
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.280
The blue drag dragon colloquially named for its resemblance to

1085
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.119
the mythical creatures. I guess there was a blue dragon mythical.

1086
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.000
I mean, I know about dragons, but I know there's

1087
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:28.719
a blue dragon.

1088
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:33.320
Well, I think it's just because it's blue and dragons.

1089
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.559
Okay, is about is only about three centimeters or one

1090
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.800
point two inches long, but it feeds on venomous animals

1091
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.360
like the Portuguese man o' war before recycling and concentrating

1092
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:48.360
that venom. That's cool. That's really cool, allowing it to

1093
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:54.960
paralyze prey three hundred times its size. Wow, So it's

1094
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.760
Its survival method is to attach to one of the

1095
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.960
most venomous things on earth, the Portuguese man o War,

1096
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.119
suck venom from it, and then concentrate it more.

1097
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:07.039
Yeah.

1098
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:13.599
Wow, that is so metal, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Quote

1099
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.559
contact with this marine animal can be dangerous and provoke

1100
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.880
painful burns on the skin, police said, adding that beach

1101
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.079
goers should quote take extreme caution and avoid direct contact

1102
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:29.480
with those that could appear on the sand. By Thursday,

1103
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.599
the band had been lifted and swimming was allowed, but

1104
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:36.719
authorities still urged caution. The town mayor, Jose Luisayas told

1105
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.559
the police or told the public to notify the authorities

1106
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.920
if they saw one of the creatures, and to avoid

1107
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.960
touching it, even if wearing gloves. He advised anyone getting

1108
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.920
stung to rinse the affected area with salt water and

1109
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:52.559
seek medical attention. Yet, don't use urine. That's a myth.

1110
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.800
That's a myth. And I knew a woman who had

1111
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:02.599
to pee on someone's jellyfish and they could have just

1112
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.960
used the seawater that was all around them, but they

1113
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.400
thought that that was what to do.

1114
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.360
Yeah for everyone.

1115
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.639
With its sunny climate, rocky cliffs, and plethora of beaches,

1116
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.360
the Mediterranean coastline surrounding Alecante is one of Spain's tourist hotspots.

1117
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.400
Blue dragons are rarely seen in the Mediterranean, being more

1118
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.400
often found in the temperate and tropical waters of the Atlantic,

1119
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:29.079
Pacific and Indian oceans, where they are carried along by

1120
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.639
ocean currents and wind.

1121
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:32.239
They're just hanging out.

1122
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:33.960
They're just chilling, man.

1123
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:35.000
Yay.

1124
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.159
I had never seen a sea slug before. That was

1125
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.079
the weirdest thing. When you were like, they're so cute,

1126
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:41.239
I was like, what the hell?

1127
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.199
I mean, there's a lot of different kinds of sea slugs.

1128
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.599
Sure some of them are more cute than others.

1129
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.840
Hmmm, so shell.

1130
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:52.400
Yeah.

1131
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:59.360
This story is from Mirror dot co dot uk, of course, yeah,

1132
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.400
this one. I really want to see where this goes

1133
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.920
because this headline grabbed me. But the Mirror headlines can

1134
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:11.199
mislead for fun, not for fun, for malice. And this

1135
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:15.159
headline says family forced to lock bed and Breakfast bedroom

1136
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:19.440
after finding painting of their son inside.

1137
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.519
I mean, that sounds like probably not a good thing.

1138
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:29.440
But maybe it's because somebody painted him and they I

1139
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:29.880
don't know.

1140
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.920
I all I know is that sounds very strange.

1141
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.280
I bet it's not even really a painting of him.

1142
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:42.719
Yeah, it's just like a ham sandwich or something like him,

1143
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.840
like that toast of the Virgin Mary or the grilled cheese.

1144
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.800
A fun holiday soon turned into a creepy encounter for

1145
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:54.480
one family when they discovered an unsettling quote painting of

1146
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.960
their son in a quote spooky bed and breakfast. Oh wait,

1147
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.320
so is it supposed to be spooky? Because then I'm like, oh,

1148
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:02.280
it's like a gag.

1149
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:05.920
Well did you say quote spooky.

1150
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.960
That they put quotes on it?

1151
01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.320
So I have no idea now actually, because if you

1152
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.199
could go either way, you're.

1153
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:17.239
Like, oh, that clarified less, that subtracted clarity. The Stevenson family,

1154
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.519
who moved to Sweden from the United Kingdom in twenty

1155
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.360
twenty one, were on the way home from a skiing

1156
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.159
holiday and needed a pit stop on the long drive home,

1157
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.280
but none of them could have predicted what they'd find

1158
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:33.039
inside their holiday let. I don't know that word let

1159
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:36.960
like that, but I'm guessing it's like a quick short rental.

1160
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:38.239
Yeah that's what I'm thinking.

1161
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:42.519
Yeah, like a sublet like sublet Yeah, yeah, okay. Mom.

1162
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.360
Jenny explained that they stayed at a quote secluded property

1163
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:48.599
for the night in a bid to get some rest.

1164
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.840
Why would you choose a secluded prime by, like if

1165
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.559
you're on a major like major travel way. Then just

1166
01:04:53.559 --> 01:05:00.119
get a hotel. No oh sorry, okay, jeez, Shell, And

1167
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:01.920
why why are you so far?

1168
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.360
Do you have to go to the secluded place so

1169
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:08.280
you can have a story about a really creepy picture

1170
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:08.880
of your son?

1171
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.559
I guess I mean when you put it that way,

1172
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.480
it checks out. Yeah, But after making a strange and

1173
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.519
unsettling discovery, sleep was the last thing on their minds.

1174
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:21.800
There should get some sleep.

1175
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.360
I just saw the painting. Now I'm angry the family.

1176
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.039
The family were getting ready to sit down to dinner

1177
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.039
in the communal dining room when they noticed something wasn't

1178
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:37.960
quite right. Quote, my daughter just went, mum, there's a

1179
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:42.119
picture of Barney on the wall, Jenny recalled. When the

1180
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.039
mum of three took a closer look, she found a

1181
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:48.320
painting of a child that looked almost identical to her

1182
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.960
seven year old son. The mum said it was disconcerting

1183
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.639
and the family were left freaked out. Here's the painting. Shell,

1184
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.119
it's a little girl. It's not even a little boy.

1185
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.440
I mean I obviously see a resemblance.

1186
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:04.679
Yeah, a little bit.

1187
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:07.679
Yeah, it's a fucking I mean, I wouldn't even call

1188
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.679
it painting. It's like a drawing a kid. I mean,

1189
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.920
they look kind of similar, but they're not the same person.

1190
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.119
No, no, not at all, Like I mean, the things

1191
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:23.679
they have in common are like blonde hair, wow, yeah,

1192
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.519
big eyes, but kids have big eyes. That's part of

1193
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:33.119
being a child is you have big eyes generally. And

1194
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:34.320
again it's a little girl.

1195
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.039
Yeah, and her hair isn't even that blonde like, no,

1196
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:44.000
the living child's hair is very very blonde.

1197
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:48.679
Like living instead of the actual You went with the living.

1198
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.480
The living child because the other one was probably alive

1199
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:54.719
one time too, or just to.

1200
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.639
Me, it looks like an old advertisement painting or something. Yeah,

1201
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.599
but yeah it doesn't. It just don't look that much alike.

1202
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:05.199
I mean, it's just they're both like little white kids.

1203
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:06.119
Yeah.

1204
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:11.599
Yeah, you know, like his nose is substantially wider than.

1205
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:15.079
Her nose too, Yeah, and his ears are are more

1206
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:16.639
sticking out than her.

1207
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:22.639
They protrude, yeah yeah, and and her ears protruding. She's

1208
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:26.880
wearing a hat, so like her ears are protruding slightly,

1209
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:28.719
and that would be from wearing a hat if that

1210
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:32.079
picture was painted from like a photograph or you know,

1211
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:38.800
a model. So, oh yeah, that's that's an advertisement. Ignore

1212
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:47.840
that the artwork. The artwork called Flowers in the Meadow

1213
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.519
by Swedish painter Carl Larson, depicts a little girl, but

1214
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.639
she looks remarkably similar to the youngster except for her

1215
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.320
long hair. Well, we don't agree. In the painting, the

1216
01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.599
child can be seen wearing a hat and is surrounded

1217
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.639
by flower so it's even like not even a mysterious painting,

1218
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:11.760
it's just a painting that exists. This is why oh sorry.

1219
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.920
Please, oh no, I'm just gonna say, how does this

1220
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:15.679
end up as an article?

1221
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.199
That's the thing. This is why Mirror dot co dot

1222
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:22.479
uk has reduced a lot as to how many of

1223
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:25.039
their articles we talk about on the show is they've

1224
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.960
really declined in the last two years, like to the

1225
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.399
point where this doesn't even isn't even really a story.

1226
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.119
Yeah, it's like, I mean, you could tell like your

1227
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.199
friend about it, like, oh, we went to this place

1228
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.199
and there was painting that kind of looked like my son,

1229
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.359
but like that's not even that good of a story,

1230
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.079
Like okay, sure, it even.

1231
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.479
Says thankfully they weren't too spooked by the painting, and

1232
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.199
Barney found it funny. The parents did describe the BnB

1233
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.680
as old fashioned with creaky floors, and then and then

1234
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:54.560
under here it says when they were talking on social

1235
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.520
media about it, uh, they said we locked the door obviously,

1236
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.199
but were tempted to, you know, lock the h in

1237
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.920
their own room. And they're joking. So the headline of

1238
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:08.760
the article is about a joke. Yeah I've had I've

1239
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.720
had britt listeners right in and say, yeah, Mirror dot

1240
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:15.279
co dot uk is a joke, by the way, like, yeah,

1241
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.399
so Mirror dot co dot uk, you failed us again.

1242
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.039
Hopefully roasting you was amusing. So we're gonna take a

1243
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.119
quick break and we're going to talk about something I've

1244
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.239
really wanted to talk to you about, cell because it's

1245
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:33.920
about Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, so we'll talk about Old Pa

1246
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:45.960
right after this. We are back and the article I

1247
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:49.560
was referencing, it turns out it was kind of like

1248
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.279
it was super misleading. So I'm not gonna there is

1249
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:57.239
no shocking new evidence, but I do want to cover

1250
01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.680
the fact that there is a UFO festival going on

1251
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:01.960
in Pennsylvania and talk about that a little bit because

1252
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:06.199
I think it's really cool. Are you familiar, Michelle with

1253
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:11.520
the Kexsburg UFO incident? I don't think so in Kexsburg, PA.

1254
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:15.119
They call it the Roswell of Pennsylvania.

1255
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:16.680
Where even is it?

1256
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.119
I don't know. You're the one who lives in PA.

1257
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:22.279
It's a big states.

1258
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.960
It's a small community in Mount Pleasant Township.

1259
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:27.920
Where's that?

1260
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:39.199
I don't know you live there, geez. But apparently in

1261
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.880
nineteen sixty five there was a UFO crash. That's the

1262
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.920
scuttle button. So I want to read this article from

1263
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:52.760
trib Live dot com. Twentieth annual Kexsburg UFO Festival promises

1264
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:57.520
update on nineteen sixty five crash sixty years ago a

1265
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.680
December day changed the course of history for Kexsburg, a

1266
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.439
small community in Mount Pleasant Township. People in seven states

1267
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.800
and Canada reported seeing a fireball in the night sky

1268
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:11.760
on December ninth, nineteen sixty five, according to an article

1269
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.760
that appeared in the Tribune Review. Quote back in sixty five,

1270
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.079
I was there, said Ronnie Struble, eighty two, founder of

1271
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.640
the Kexburg UFO Festival. And I want to say, these

1272
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.039
pictures are great. They're like people dressing up like in

1273
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:26.199
fun costumes as aliens and stuff.

1274
01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:26.720
Cool.

1275
01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:29.760
I think that that's fun, like I do. That's why

1276
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.479
I wanted to talk about it because I just think, like,

1277
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.960
what you know, Americana, You know, like we have aliens.

1278
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:41.680
Of course, reports at the time said locals felt the

1279
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.800
objects landing and rushed to the scene. Felt the objects,

1280
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:49.960
felt the objects landing and rush to the scene. Context

1281
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:53.920
can be challenging. They were kept away by military officials

1282
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.800
who claimed nothing happened. According to the reports, Those who

1283
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:02.399
got their first described I have the unidentified flying object

1284
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:09.960
as an acorn shaped hiroglyph adorned object. Wow quote. I

1285
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:13.239
heard it on radio and TV. Strubel said he saw

1286
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:16.239
the soldiers who restricted the access to the site of

1287
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:20.159
the impact. To this day, believers and theorists in Kesburg

1288
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.399
continue to pursue the truth about what really landed in

1289
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:30.079
their backyard. This year, their hopes may finally come true,

1290
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:36.399
Strubel said. Kexburg Volunteer Fire Department in Mount Pleasant Township

1291
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.920
will host the twentieth annual UFO Festival Friday through Sunday,

1292
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.119
commemorating sixty years since the reported landing of the UFO.

1293
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:47.520
Attendees on Friday can speak with UFO investigators, hunters, researchers,

1294
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.800
and experts. I like to think that they're just hunters

1295
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.520
it's like there's like these UFO experts and there's just

1296
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.600
like a guy with a rifle and a tamohat and

1297
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:56.880
he's like, yeah, mostly go for ELK.

1298
01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:05.960
Yeah, immediately, Hunters vendors will offer half priced burgers, fries,

1299
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:06.760
and hot dogs.

1300
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:10.079
Wow, Shell, we should go to this next year.

1301
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:12.760
Okay, we don't know where it is though.

1302
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:14.000
It's in Pennsylvania.

1303
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:17.600
It could be I don't know, it could be anywhere

1304
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:18.479
in Pennsylvania.

1305
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:20.880
No, it's in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania.

1306
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:22.039
Where the hell is that.

1307
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:27.479
You're being very dismissive about the fine folks of Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania,

1308
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.159
And I don't know why. What did they do to

1309
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:31.279
deserve this treatment?

1310
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:32.640
Probably nothing.

1311
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:35.199
Hell, it's by Pittsburgh.

1312
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:37.720
See I figured it's uh.

1313
01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:42.399
It's out by, it's right off seventy six. Huh yeah,

1314
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.800
it's it's yeah, it's uh, it's a ways away from you.

1315
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:52.520
And that's your own fault. I know, I know, like that,

1316
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.680
No for real, excuse me. So. Other highlights of the

1317
01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.079
three day event include a parade at two pm, a

1318
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:01.039
bed race at four pm.

1319
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:02.560
Okay, make sure.

1320
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:07.079
What a bed race is? Actually? I think it's like, yeah,

1321
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:07.960
what were you gonna say?

1322
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:08.960
No, no, no, it's okay.

1323
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:13.640
I think it's like when oh yeah, it's it's it's beds.

1324
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.560
You make a bed, you take a bed and put

1325
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.840
wheels on it and race it.

1326
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.880
I was hoping you just go home and go to sleep.

1327
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:27.279
Whoever can sleep the fastest while eating the most cheese.

1328
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:33.439
And it all concludes with a fireworks show at ten pm.

1329
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.119
A UFO conference is scheduled for one pm on Sunday,

1330
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.560
when visitors will hear an update about the nineteen sixty

1331
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:41.079
five crash. According to Struble, he did not reveal the

1332
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:45.359
new information to trib Love. So that's it must not

1333
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:47.319
be that big because it's been a month and nothing

1334
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:51.760
has come out from it. Not just dedicated to a moment,

1335
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.319
a single moment in the town's history. The festival promises

1336
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:59.039
to gather community and feature ample alien and Bigfoot centered

1337
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:03.039
material as well. Last year's celebration saw attendees from all

1338
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:06.760
over the country. Strubel said it's something for everyone. He said,

1339
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.159
more than one hundred crafted food vendors will be at

1340
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:14.800
the festival. Wow, that's pretty fun. Oh and parking and

1341
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:17.600
entry to the event is free. All other proceeds will

1342
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.399
be donated to the KEXVERG Kexsburg VFD. Okay, that's nice.

1343
01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.239
Sadly it's already over. Otherwise I'd say go, I mean

1344
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:30.199
to everybody, and and you, I'd be like, go, Michelle, go,

1345
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.640
just go. You're like, I don't want to go. You

1346
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.920
have to. You have no choice in the matter. So

1347
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:45.159
let's see. There was one more I wanted to talk about,

1348
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.720
and this one is in my home state of Ohio.

1349
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:53.039
This is from w h IO TV, which is actually

1350
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.640
a local news here, but it's it's not local local,

1351
01:15:56.680 --> 01:16:03.000
it's like nearby. The full story excuse me, oh, the

1352
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.439
full story of bones found under porch likely to remain

1353
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:13.239
a mystery, coroner says in Green County, Ohio new information

1354
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.199
about remains found under a porch in Green County. The

1355
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:18.960
bones found under the home are historic, meaning they are

1356
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:20.840
more than one hundred years old.

1357
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:21.359
Okay.

1358
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.720
Investigators had to use an excavator to dig up the bones.

1359
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.239
The homeowner stated that he has owned the home for

1360
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.000
over two years and he was just curious about the

1361
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:33.560
history of the bones. He was just as curious about

1362
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.319
the history of the bones as the Green County Corner

1363
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:38.520
Office quote. I don't anticipate that we'll ever know the

1364
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.479
full story of these bones, Kevin Sherett, Green County Corner said.

1365
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.079
Shrett said the most important part was finding out if

1366
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:46.159
the bones were recent and if they belonged to a

1367
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:51.319
missing person or child. Sure checks out right, he said,

1368
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.920
he knows they are adult bones greater than one hundred

1369
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.079
years old, likely from the sixteen hundred to nineteen hundreds.

1370
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:00.960
Well that's pretty broad. Wow, Yeah, that's a yeah, that's

1371
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.199
quite arranged. It's like when the cable company is like,

1372
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:06.279
we'll be there between eleven am and six thirty pm.

1373
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:12.079
You're like, great as well, just said the day Yeah. Quote.

1374
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.279
We were able to retrieve two molars, two teeth, which

1375
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.319
has been very helpful because they helped us confirm that

1376
01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:22.479
they are not prehistoric bones. They aren't caveman bones, share

1377
01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:25.920
It said, but it's not clear if they are male

1378
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.479
or female. Quote. Our investigative team has put a lot

1379
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.880
of time and effort into researching the history of the area,

1380
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:35.800
share It said. News articles from the eighteen hundreds reveal

1381
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:39.439
that twenty five tons of black powder exploded at a

1382
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.439
black powder company nearby. Oh wow, many died and some

1383
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:47.600
bodies were found more than two miles from the explosion

1384
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:53.199
side wow, and then he put that's just one potential explanation.

1385
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:54.479
Wow.

1386
01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:57.079
Quote. Over the years and back in the day, that

1387
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.439
was a really heavily traveled area, he said. Sharrett said,

1388
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.880
they will have more questions than answers, and some may

1389
01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.680
not be answered. I just found that really interesting, and

1390
01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.159
it's rare when I find a news story presented to

1391
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:16.079
me and it's from Whio, which is my local. Yeah,

1392
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:20.239
my local news. So but we're gonna take a break

1393
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:22.880
and then we're going to talk about the Yuba County

1394
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:34.920
five right after this. So many of us have heard

1395
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:41.920
of the Dietlov Pass incident where some hikers I believe, disappeared.

1396
01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:43.520
They were found frozen.

1397
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.119
Cross country skiers I believe.

1398
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.119
Yeah, yeah, they were cross country skiers. You're right, And

1399
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:51.479
there's a lot of mystery around it. Michelle believes it

1400
01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:54.760
was just an avalanche, and she did do quite a

1401
01:18:54.760 --> 01:19:00.239
bit of research. So yeah, Well, the Yuba County five,

1402
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:05.600
which I had never heard about until recently, is kind

1403
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.880
of called the Ditlav Pass of summertime or the dit

1404
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:14.000
Lov Pass of America, and I skimmed a little bit.

1405
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:20.199
There's a lot of weird details, just kind of odd

1406
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.000
things and it made me really curious about it. So

1407
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:25.479
I thought we would talk about it tonight, learn about

1408
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:29.640
it together. And of course I'll use a source of

1409
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:37.600
information that is as accurate as it is infallible Wikipedia. Yeah,

1410
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.880
of course. The Yuba County Five were a group of

1411
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:44.760
young men from Yuba County, California. Huh. I wonder if

1412
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:48.199
that's a coincidence. Oh if like they all met in

1413
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:50.960
like Colorado, Like, let's call ourselves the Yuba County five.

1414
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:54.000
And then and then they go to California and they're like, guys,

1415
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.199
you're never gonna believe where the apartment is. It's in

1416
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:03.159
Yuba County, California, and they all like high five. Here's

1417
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:08.079
where it gets us funny. Each with mild intellectual disabilities

1418
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.279
or psychiatric conditions, okay, who were reported missing after attending

1419
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:17.560
a college basketball game at the California State University Chico

1420
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.640
also known as Chico State, on the night of February

1421
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:25.159
twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight. Four of them, Bill Sterling

1422
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.199
twenty nine, Jack Hewitt twenty four, Ted Weir thirty two,

1423
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:34.560
and Jack Madruga thirty were later found dead. The fifth,

1424
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:38.119
Gary Matthias, twenty five, has never been found.

1425
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:41.840
Oh has he killed them all?

1426
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:47.560
I that is my first thought, without knowing anything else.

1427
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:53.199
Several days after their disappearance, Madruga's car, a nineteen sixty

1428
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:57.159
nine Mercury Montego in which the group had driven to Chico,

1429
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:00.560
was found abandoned in a remote area of Pluma National

1430
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.560
Forest on a high mountain dirt road that was far

1431
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:07.279
out of their way back to Yuba County. Investigators could

1432
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:10.840
not determine why the car was abandoned, as it was

1433
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.600
in good working order and could easily have been pushed

1434
01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:15.960
out of the snow pack it was in. Oh wait,

1435
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:19.479
there was snow. I'm so confused at that. Oh wait,

1436
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:23.520
they're in a mountain. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah. At that time,

1437
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.720
no trace of the men was found. In June of

1438
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.880
nineteen seventy eight, four of the men's bodies were discovered

1439
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.920
after the snow had melted. Oh, it really is like

1440
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:37.239
literally an America, an American dietlav pass thing. I guess

1441
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.079
it's because their bodies were found in the summer. It was.

1442
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:42.159
It was listed as a summertime thing, which is strange.

1443
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:43.239
Yeah.

1444
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.920
Ted Weir was found inside a United States Forest Service

1445
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:52.359
trailer some twenty miles north of the abandoned car. Only

1446
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:56.199
bones were left of Jack Madruga, Bill Sterling, and Jackie Hewitt.

1447
01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:00.159
As a result of scavenging animals, Weir had. Apparently he

1448
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:04.039
lived for as long as three months after the men

1449
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:08.920
were last seen, starving to death. Despite an ample supply

1450
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:15.560
of food and heating materials in the nearby trailer. Weird

1451
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:20.079
was missing his shoes. Investigators found Matthias's own shoes in

1452
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:25.319
the USFS trailer, suggesting Matthias also survived for some time

1453
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:30.720
beyond the group's last sighting. Uh huh, yeah, this is

1454
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:38.520
one of those mystery, weird, weird mysteries. Yeah, yeah, what

1455
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:39.359
you have a thought?

1456
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.159
Well, I just figure that that one dude killed everyone

1457
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:46.640
and they and he dragged that one guy to that place,

1458
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.399
but then like tied him up so we couldn't eat anything.

1459
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:50.800
And then he died.

1460
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.640
And then he lived for like three months potentially, so

1461
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.640
he hadn't eat it for a while. Well, so he's

1462
01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:57.399
feeding him.

1463
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.920
Yeah, and then he stopped. Then he left, Oh okay,

1464
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.479
and he died. But then the something came and untied

1465
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:07.359
the ropes, so didn't.

1466
01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.760
Okay, solid solid, I don't see any holes to poke

1467
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:18.960
in this theory good. A local man later came forward

1468
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:22.239
claiming he had spent the same night in his own

1469
01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:26.239
car a short distance away from where the mercury was found.

1470
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.880
The witness told police that he had seen and heard

1471
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.640
people around his car that night and twice called for help,

1472
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:39.439
only for them to grow silent and turn off their flashlights.

1473
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.520
This and the considerable distance from the car to where

1474
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:49.640
the bodies were found, has led to suspicions of foul play.

1475
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.680
So another guy was stuck in his car in the

1476
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.840
snow and was sleeping in it, heard people around, called

1477
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.880
for their help, and supposedly they didn't say a word,

1478
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:06.840
and they turned off their flashlights. I hide from him. Yeah,

1479
01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:07.960
that's pretty weird.

1480
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:09.199
It is pretty weird.

1481
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:15.439
So let's dive into the background of some of these folks. Actually,

1482
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:18.600
it looks like it's mostly just about Matthias. Gary Matthias,

1483
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:23.479
while he was stationed in West Germany as part of

1484
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.439
the United States Army Service in the early nineteen seventies,

1485
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:31.399
Gary Matthias, a resident of Marysville, California, developed drug problems.

1486
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:35.920
This eventually led to him being diagnosed with schizophrenia and

1487
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:39.760
being given a psychiatric discharge. Now remember, all of these

1488
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:46.880
gentlemen have some kind of psychiatric issue or disability. Matthias

1489
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.399
returned to his parents' home in Marysville and began treatment

1490
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:53.560
at a local mental hospital. While it had been difficult

1491
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.880
at first, he was nearly arrested for assault twice and

1492
01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:01.680
often experienced psychotic episodes, landed him in a local Veterans

1493
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:06.279
Administration Hospital m. By nineteen seventy eight, he was being

1494
01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:12.399
treated on an outpatient basin basis with triflu operanzine and

1495
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:16.439
benza trophine, and was considered by his physicians to be

1496
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:22.960
one of our Sterling success cases. M. What. You don't

1497
01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:23.640
believe him?

1498
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.439
No, I do. It's just that that's great until you

1499
01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:27.720
stopped taking the medication.

1500
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:31.199
So I mean, that's pretty pretty accurate.

1501
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:32.520
Yeah.

1502
01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:36.520
Matthias supplemented his army disability pay by working in his

1503
01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:40.840
stepfather's gardening business. Off the job. Outside of his family,

1504
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:43.199
he was close friends with four men who either had

1505
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:47.760
intellectual disabilities we are in Hewitt or were informally considered

1506
01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:51.640
slow learners. It's in quotes because you know that's the

1507
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:54.600
way they said it back then. Sterling and Madruga, the

1508
01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:59.920
latter also an Army veteran. The men lived in ub

1509
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:04.119
City and nearby Marysville. Like Matthias, each man lived with

1510
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:07.880
his parents, all of whom referred to them collectively as

1511
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.000
the Boys. Oh no, I'm sad because that sounds awesome.

1512
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:15.960
These guys all became friends that started calling themselves the boys. Yeah, man,

1513
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:17.880
that's sad, Like it just sounds like they were like

1514
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:22.600
dudes who needed friends, and they came together and then

1515
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:25.960
died mysteriously mostly together.

1516
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:27.680
Yeah.

1517
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:32.000
The men's favorite leisure activity was sports. Their family said

1518
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.000
that when the five of them got together, it was

1519
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:37.920
usually to play a game or go watch one. They

1520
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.319
played basketball together on a team called the Gateway Gators,

1521
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:47.640
a team supported by a local program for people with disabilities. Okay, so,

1522
01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:50.000
on February twenty fifth, the Gators were due to play

1523
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.439
their first game in a week long tournament sponsored by

1524
01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:55.039
the Special Olympics, for which the winners would get a

1525
01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:58.560
free week in Los Angeles. The five men had prepared

1526
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.159
the night before, some even like laying out their uniforms

1527
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:04.840
and asking their parents to wake them up on time. Man,

1528
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:09.720
that that makes me extra sad to Yeah, Like when

1529
01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.600
I was a kid, that was like what I did

1530
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.560
if I if something was really important, you know, I

1531
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.840
would I would ask my mom, like, Mom, make sure

1532
01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:26.000
I'm awake at seven. You know, some stories are sad. Yeah,

1533
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:28.319
thanks a lot, Michelle for picking this one. Jeez.

1534
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:28.760
Sorry.

1535
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.119
Let's see. They decided to drive to Chico that same

1536
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.039
night to cheer on the UC Davis basketball team in

1537
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:39.760
an away game against Chico State. Madruga, the only member

1538
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.159
of the group besides Matthias, who had a driver's license,

1539
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:44.960
drove the group fifty miles north to the Chico State

1540
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.239
campus in his turquoise in white nineteen sixty nine Mercury

1541
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:52.039
Montego coop. The men wore only light coats against the

1542
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.880
cool temperatures in the Upper Sacramento Valley at night that

1543
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:58.439
time of year. After the Davis team won the game,

1544
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.199
the group returned to madrigaz uh Madruga's car and drove

1545
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:05.640
a short distance from Chico State to Bear's Market in

1546
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:09.760
downtown Chico, where they bought snacks, sodas, and cartons of milk.

1547
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:13.640
It was shortly before the store's ten PM closing time.

1548
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.680
The clerk later remembered the men because she was annoyed

1549
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:18.760
that such a large group had come in and delayed

1550
01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:21.479
her from beginning the process of closing the store for

1551
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:25.079
the night. Yeah, Michelle's like, yeah, I hate those people too.

1552
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:25.399
Yeah.

1553
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.399
None of the five were seen alive again after that point.

1554
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:31.159
Wow.

1555
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:34.840
Some of their concerned parents waited up for their return home.

1556
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.840
When morning came and the men had not returned, the

1557
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:43.199
police were notified, we're going to take a quick break

1558
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:46.279
and then we'll talk about the investigation into the Yuba

1559
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:57.079
County five right after this. So when it comes to

1560
01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:01.680
the Yuba County five, police in and Yuba Counties began

1561
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:05.239
searching along the route for the men took to Chico.

1562
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.960
They found no sign of them, but a few days later,

1563
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.680
a Plumus National Forest ranger told investigators that he had

1564
01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:15.359
seen a Mercury parked in the forest along Oroville Quincy

1565
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.760
Road on February twenty fifth. At the time, he had

1566
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.119
not considered it significant, since many residents often drive up

1567
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:26.199
that road into the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range on winter

1568
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:30.680
weekends to go cross country skiing like the dietlav Pass

1569
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:35.640
people yeah on the extensive trail system, But after reading

1570
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:39.239
the missing person's bulletin, he recognized the car and led

1571
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:44.840
deputies to it. On February twenty eighth. Evidence found inside

1572
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.359
the car suggested the men had been in it between

1573
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.239
the time they were last seen and when it was abandoned.

1574
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:55.000
Had been in it, Okay, they had been in it

1575
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:56.439
between the time they were last seen in when it

1576
01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:01.039
was abandoned. The empty wrappers and containers from the food

1577
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:03.119
and drinks they had purchased from the store in Chico

1578
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:06.600
were present, along with programs from the basketball game they

1579
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:10.920
had attended, and a neatly folded roadmap of California. Do

1580
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:15.880
you ever think, Michelle, no good, me neither? No? Uh?

1581
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:18.319
Do you ever think about how lucky we are? We

1582
01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:21.720
at least had map quests to start with. Yeah, Like

1583
01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:23.720
we didn't have to sit with a map and like

1584
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.000
and do the thing where you like run your finger

1585
01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:30.600
across and like decide where to go. Like, I just

1586
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:32.800
blows my mind. I know that lots of people traveled

1587
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:35.079
lots of places like that, but it blows my mind

1588
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:36.039
the idea of doing that.

1589
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:38.640
Yeah, Yeah, Like I.

1590
01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.720
Do sometimes wonder like how did you get anywhere? I mean,

1591
01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:44.079
I guess you'd have to use a map to know, Like, oh,

1592
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.359
I need to take sixty to seventy one to seventy,

1593
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.239
you know, six to whatever. But like then you'd have

1594
01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:50.840
to like call your friend and be like, I need

1595
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.840
you to give me directions from the highway to your

1596
01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:55.399
house exactly.

1597
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:59.479
Yeah. Yeah, there was one time when we had, you know,

1598
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:03.319
hadn't lived in Plainsboro for very long. We were trying

1599
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.960
to find the back way to like Toys r Us

1600
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:13.119
and we got super lost because there's like a there's

1601
01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:17.439
like a pond. It's it's the important pond, you know,

1602
01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:24.159
the really important one, Grover's Mill pond from the from

1603
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:29.920
the the thing with the radio broadcast the world. Yeah,

1604
01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:32.920
so right around that pond, like you could go either way,

1605
01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:38.159
and we kept like looping around and around. That was hell.

1606
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:40.800
Like how did we even get back home? I don't know,

1607
01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.279
because we never got to We never got to Toys

1608
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:43.640
r Us.

1609
01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:48.119
Oh that's sad. Then. Yeah, well I've told you before

1610
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:50.520
that the entire reason I bought my first GPS was

1611
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.760
I went to visit you and I got so I

1612
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:55.840
got for the first time in life, I got so lost.

1613
01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:57.800
I wasn't sure if I could get unlost.

1614
01:31:58.159 --> 01:31:59.319
Yeah, yeah, and I did.

1615
01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:00.760
I mean, you know, then I calmed down and just

1616
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:02.640
turned around. I was like just drive until you see

1617
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.479
something and I gotta figure it out. But that scared

1618
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:07.520
me off. I was like, I'm gonna go and buy

1619
01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:10.960
a Garmin, you know, like a GPS back before they

1620
01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:13.239
were all on your phone, because I was like, yeah,

1621
01:32:13.239 --> 01:32:15.000
I don't ever want to not know where I'm going

1622
01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.319
or where I am as a better way to put it.

1623
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.960
So yeah, good times. Yeah, but yeah, I just thought

1624
01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.439
about that. When it's a neatly folded roadmap, I was like,

1625
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.960
oh yeah, they had to like make they had to

1626
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:28.720
like go through it with their finger and like write

1627
01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:34.399
down the directions and stuff. It's wild, you know, to

1628
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.560
think of how spoiled we are, is my point.

1629
01:32:38.119 --> 01:32:38.880
Yeah.

1630
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:44.279
Yeah. However, the discovery of the car raised more questions

1631
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:49.880
than it answered. One question was its location, seventy miles

1632
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:53.239
from Chico, far off any direct route to Yuba City

1633
01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:58.199
or Marysville. None of the men's families could speculate as

1634
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.479
to why they might have driven up a law and

1635
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.640
winding dirt road on a winter night, deep into a

1636
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:07.279
high elevation, remote forest without any extra clothing.

1637
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:09.159
Yeah.

1638
01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:12.479
Madrugas's parents said he did not like cold weather and

1639
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.680
had never been had never been up into the mountains.

1640
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:18.880
Sterling's father had once taken his son to the area

1641
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.119
near where the car was found for a fishing weekend,

1642
01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:24.279
but the younger man had not enjoyed it and remained

1643
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:28.600
at home when his father took later trips there. Police

1644
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:31.840
were puzzled why the car had been abandoned. The road

1645
01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:35.760
was four four hundred feet in elevation, about where the

1646
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:38.560
snow line was at that time last year of the year,

1647
01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:41.960
a short distance from where the road was closed for

1648
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.199
the winter. The car had become stuck in some snow drifts,

1649
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:47.359
and there was evidence that the men had tried to

1650
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.439
spin the wheels to get it out. Police noted that

1651
01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:54.279
the snow was not very deep and that five healthy

1652
01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:56.920
young men should have easily been able to push the

1653
01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:58.840
car out.

1654
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:06.359
You don't buy that, no, I just like, what was

1655
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.119
it doing there? I don't understand.

1656
01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:11.439
Why they got there, why they drove all the way there?

1657
01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:14.720
Is the yeah is really strange. The car keys were

1658
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.159
not present, suggesting at first that the car had been

1659
01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.399
abandoned because it might not have been operating properly, with

1660
01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:25.039
the intention of returning later with help. When police hot

1661
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:28.720
wired the car, the engine started immediately and the fuel

1662
01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:32.079
gage indicated the tank was one quarter full.

1663
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.279
Okay, so it didn't just stop.

1664
01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:39.640
Yeah, the car was functional, it was just stuck. The

1665
01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:43.079
police had deepened or the mystery deepened. After police towed

1666
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:46.000
the car back to the station for a more thorough examination,

1667
01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:51.359
the Mercury's undercarriage had no dents, gouges, or even mud scrapes,

1668
01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:55.279
not even on its low hanging muffler, despite having been

1669
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.279
driven a long distance up a mountain road with many bumps, ruts,

1670
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.760
and potholes. Either the driver had been extremely careful or

1671
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:08.239
it was someone familiar with the road, a familiarity Madruga

1672
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:12.840
was not known to have. His family said that Madruga

1673
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:16.520
would not have let someone else drive his car. The

1674
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.319
car was unlocked and had a window rolled down when

1675
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:23.960
it was found. Madruga's family indicated it was unlike him

1676
01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.319
to leave the car so unsecured.

1677
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:35.800
So so somebody somebody like kind of kidnap them, maybe

1678
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:37.760
driving them.

1679
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.880
Somewhere maybe, But how would you have kept like you

1680
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:44.720
if it wasn't one of them. Then you have five

1681
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:49.520
able bodied men who were athletic and young. Yeah, you know,

1682
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:52.239
so it gets tricky.

1683
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:55.560
Yeah, Well, the problem is they they found the bodies

1684
01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:58.960
near the car, right, and they were bones basically, so

1685
01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:02.399
we don't know if they were okay when this happened.

1686
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:04.600
Well, I mean, we would know if they had been

1687
01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:09.520
shot or anything, though, I guess, and maybe we maybe

1688
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:15.479
will find me that I don't know yet. You're like,

1689
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:17.000
I blame society.

1690
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:19.000
It's always our fault.

1691
01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:23.600
Efforts to search the vicinity were hampered by a severe

1692
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:27.920
snowstorm that day. Two days later, after searchers and snowcats

1693
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:32.119
nearly became lost themselves, further search efforts were called off

1694
01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:36.000
due to continuing bad weather. Other than the car, no

1695
01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:42.239
trace of the men was found. In response to local

1696
01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.880
media coverage of the case, police received several ports of

1697
01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:48.840
some or all of the men being sighted after they

1698
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.159
had left Chico, including some reports of them being seen

1699
01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:56.920
elsewhere in California or the country. Most of the reports

1700
01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:01.039
were easily dismissed, but two of the sightings stood out,

1701
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:04.479
and we'll get to those sightings after this quick break.

1702
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:07.279
Oh yeah, now you're stuck. You have to come back

1703
01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:17.760
or else. Ah, all right, we're back talking about the

1704
01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:24.119
Yuba County five. So apparently the one sighting of two

1705
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:30.359
sightings that stood out where Joseph Sean, Scan's Shawn's schons.

1706
01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:33.159
I don't know of Sacramento.

1707
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.720
Sorry, yeah, it's okay, I don't.

1708
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:40.920
Know Shawn's sure, Shawn's I think it might be Shawn's

1709
01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:45.319
actually of Sacramento. Told police he inadvertently wound up spending

1710
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:47.680
the night of February twenty fourth and twenty fifth near

1711
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:50.079
where the Montego was found. We mentioned him a little bit.

1712
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:52.600
He had driven up there where he had a cabin

1713
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:55.680
to check the snowpack in advance of a weekend ski

1714
01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:58.880
trip with his family. At five thirty pm, about one

1715
01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:01.960
hundred and fifty feet up the road, Shawn's too had

1716
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:04.880
gotten stuck in the snow. In the process of trying

1717
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:07.279
to free it, he realized he was beginning to experience

1718
01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:12.079
the early symptoms of a heart attack. That's why he

1719
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:15.880
was calling for help, and went back in, keeping the

1720
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:19.880
engine running to provide heat. Six hours later, lying in

1721
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:23.159
the car and experiencing severe pain. God, what a nightmare.

1722
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:29.520
Terrifying friggin Seans saw headlights coming up behind him. Looking out,

1723
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:32.319
he saw a car parked behind him, headlights on, with

1724
01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:35.279
a group of people around it, one of whom seemed

1725
01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:38.199
to him to be a woman holding a baby.

1726
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:41.680
Okay.

1727
01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:45.880
He called to the party for help, but they stopped

1728
01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:50.600
talking and switched their headlights off. Later, he saw more

1729
01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:55.640
lights from behind him, this time flashlights. That's also that's

1730
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.960
also when that also went out when he called to them.

1731
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:03.279
After that, Sean said, at first he recalled a pickup

1732
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:07.239
truck parking twenty feet behind him briefly and then continuing

1733
01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:11.119
on down the road. Later, he clarified to police that

1734
01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.359
he could not be sure of that, since at the

1735
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:18.039
time he was almost delirious from pain. After Sean's car

1736
01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:20.279
ran out of fuel in the early morning hours, his

1737
01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:24.479
pain subsided enough for him to walk eight miles down

1738
01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:25.279
the road.

1739
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.199
To a lodge Oh my god.

1740
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:32.199
Where the manager drove him home, passing the abandoned Montego

1741
01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:35.680
at the place where he had recalled hearing the voices originate.

1742
01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:41.479
Doctors later confirmed he had indeed experienced a mild heart attack.

1743
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:42.399
Poor guy.

1744
01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:47.239
What a crazy side note in this thing. Yeah, his

1745
01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:50.760
pain had subsided enough to walk eight miles in the snow.

1746
01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:53.720
Yeah, because there's no cell phones. So what else is

1747
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:54.479
he gonna do?

1748
01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:56.760
Just die? That's what you do. He die back, then

1749
01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:01.279
you just die. That's what you had that was the plan. Man,

1750
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:03.680
that's friggin that like gave me. That made me creeped

1751
01:40:03.680 --> 01:40:09.279
out as much as anything. Where's mother said ignoring someone's

1752
01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:12.640
please for help was not like her son, if indeed

1753
01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.680
he had been present. She recalled how he and Sterling

1754
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.520
had helped someone they knew get to the hospital once

1755
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:23.000
after overdosing on valume. Well, it makes sense too, if

1756
01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:26.000
they're like in psychiatric treatment, I might know somebody who

1757
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:29.760
took too much medicine. The other notable report was from

1758
01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:31.760
a woman who worked at a store in the small

1759
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:34.079
town of Brownsville, thirty miles from where the car had

1760
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:36.960
been abandoned, which they had reached when they had continued

1761
01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.399
down the road, which they would have reached if they

1762
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:42.239
continue down the road. On March third, the woman who

1763
01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:45.079
saw flyers that had been distributed with the men's picture

1764
01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:50.239
and information about a and fifteen dollars reward the families

1765
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.920
had put out or had put up, told deputies that

1766
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:56.000
four men, four of them, had stopped at the store

1767
01:40:56.159 --> 01:41:01.039
in a red pickup truck. So there's only four mm hmm,

1768
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:05.000
and we got a pickup truck again. Yeah, weird, And

1769
01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:09.079
I doubt that she would have heard anything about Showan's

1770
01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:12.960
report because he was just a guy who had had

1771
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:16.520
a heart attack the day after, and this was the

1772
01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:20.960
day after the disappearance, so the next day the store owner.

1773
01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:27.319
The store owner corroborated her account. The woman said she

1774
01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:30.279
immediately realized that the men were not from the area

1775
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:36.399
because of their big eyes and facial expressions. What it

1776
01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:40.159
says that in quotes, two of the men, whom she

1777
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:43.359
identified as Hewitt and Sterling, were in a telephone booth

1778
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.960
outside the store while the other two went inside. Police

1779
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.720
said she was a credible witness and they took her

1780
01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:55.520
account seriously. Additional details came from the store owner, who

1781
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.760
told investigators that the men who he believed whom he

1782
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:03.159
believed to be weird and Ifwitt came in and bought burritos, chocolate, milk,

1783
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:09.000
and soft drinks, that kind of fits the like the

1784
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:11.960
place that they shopped at before, Like the kind of

1785
01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:16.319
food they were buying, like milk and sodas. I mean,

1786
01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:19.600
I know everybody buy sodas. Yeah, I'm just saying that

1787
01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:22.000
made me a little nervous that chocolate milk was in there,

1788
01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:24.000
like because they had bought milk before and I thought

1789
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.960
milk stood out before at the other store to me

1790
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:29.479
that they bought milk. Where's brother told the Los Angeles

1791
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:31.960
Times that while driving to Brownsville in a different car

1792
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:36.239
in apparent ignorance of the basketball game. Wait, sorry, that's

1793
01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:38.960
confused me. Were's brother told the Los Angeles Times that

1794
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:42.039
while driving in Brownsville in a different car and apparent

1795
01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:45.159
ignorance of the basketball game seemed completely out of character

1796
01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:48.079
for them. The owner's description of the two men's behavior

1797
01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:52.399
seemed consistent with them, as Wears would quote eat anything

1798
01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:55.359
he could get his hands on, and was often accompanied

1799
01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:58.119
by Hewitt more than any of the other four. H

1800
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:04.640
that's really interesting too, because she identified the two men

1801
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.680
who came into the store as two men who happened

1802
01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:09.880
to be the close the closest friends of the group.

1803
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:14.319
Hewitt's brother said Jack hated using telephones to the point

1804
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:17.239
that he would answer calls for Jack whenever he received

1805
01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:21.560
any from any from the other men in the group. Okay,

1806
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:30.000
so this is getting interesting, Like yeah, and yeah, a

1807
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:32.520
lot of it could be mistaken identity, it could be

1808
01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.199
you know whatever, but some of that really did feel

1809
01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:37.800
really specific, and the fact that she saw four men

1810
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:39.880
she was like, well, I remember seeing four men who

1811
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:41.640
looked like that. She did. If she was making it

1812
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:43.159
up or something, she would have said five because there

1813
01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:47.319
were five missing. Yeah, but she saw four men, and

1814
01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:52.159
she also knew that they were in a sedan, but

1815
01:43:52.359 --> 01:43:53.279
she saw.

1816
01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:54.760
A truck right exactly.

1817
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:58.319
Yeah, So it does sound like she's credible, Like it

1818
01:43:58.359 --> 01:43:59.960
sounds like worst case, she'd be mistake.

1819
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:01.800
Yeah.

1820
01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:05.720
With the evidence not pointing to any clear conclusion about

1821
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.520
what happened the night the five men disappeared, police and

1822
01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.439
the families were not ruling out the possibility that they

1823
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.920
had been met with foul play. The eventual discovery of

1824
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:18.399
four of the five men's bodies seemed to suggest otherwise,

1825
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:21.680
but raised even more questions about what had happened l

1826
01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:24.119
night and whether at least one of them might have

1827
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:28.119
been rescued. On June fourth, with most of the higher

1828
01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:31.039
elevation snow melted, a group of motorcyclists went to a

1829
01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:34.680
trailer maintained by the USFS at a campsite off the road,

1830
01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:37.760
about nineteen point four miles from where the mercury had

1831
01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.960
been found. The front window of the trailer had been broken.

1832
01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:43.720
When they opened the door, they were overcome by the

1833
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:46.039
stench of what turned out to be a decating body

1834
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:51.520
inside it was later identified as Weirs. Searchers returned to Plumas,

1835
01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:54.079
following the road between the trailer and where the mercury

1836
01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:57.800
was abandoned. The following day, remains that were later identified

1837
01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.640
as those of Madruga and Sterling were discovered on opposite

1838
01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:03.760
sides of the road, eleven point four miles from where

1839
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:07.680
the car had been. So substantially far from where the

1840
01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:10.640
car had been, but we established a guy who had

1841
01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:12.720
had a heart attack the night before had walked eight

1842
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.279
miles Yeah, out there. But they didn't have they didn't

1843
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.600
have they had jackets, They didn't even have coats, they

1844
01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:21.159
didn't have any winter wear. I would guess shown had

1845
01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:24.560
been prepared because he was a skier, so he very

1846
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:26.520
likely had at least a thick winter jacket.

1847
01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:29.199
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1848
01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:34.319
Madruga's body had been partially consumed by scavenging animals. Only

1849
01:45:34.359 --> 01:45:39.279
bones remained of Sterlings, scattered over a small area. Autopsies

1850
01:45:39.319 --> 01:45:46.359
showed that they both died of hypothermia. Oh this is tick,

1851
01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:47.039
Michelle off.

1852
01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:52.239
No, I just so now, I just like don't believe

1853
01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.399
the I don't think that the person with the at

1854
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:58.199
the convenience store, I don't think they saw them. I

1855
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:02.399
think that these they were just trying to get like

1856
01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:06.319
the car was stuck and for whatever reason, they couldn't

1857
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:09.279
unstick it, and they tried to get back to civilization

1858
01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:11.479
and they could not, and they died.

1859
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:15.279
And you think it's just like a cruel coincidence that

1860
01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:17.039
the fifth man just never was found.

1861
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:22.880
I think, yeah, I think he's just somewhere. Okay, Yeah,

1862
01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:26.800
I don't get the whole guy in the cabin thing,

1863
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:29.560
but everything else.

1864
01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:31.960
Well, and the fact that there was food nearby but

1865
01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:32.960
he's still starved it out.

1866
01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:35.840
That's weird and I don't know what that means though.

1867
01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:40.239
Yeah, no, definitely. Well we'll dive even deeper into it

1868
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:51.319
after this quick break. All right, we're back, and things

1869
01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:56.640
are just getting thicker and weirder in this Yuba County

1870
01:46:56.680 --> 01:47:01.960
five thing. Michelle's been very annoyed. She's been making faces

1871
01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:07.239
as more details emerge. I don't think so, you don't

1872
01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:07.600
think so.

1873
01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:10.159
I don't think I've been making faces.

1874
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:13.079
I mean you, okay, I mean when I said that

1875
01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:15.199
they both died of hypothermia, you made a face.

1876
01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:19.000
I don't remember.

1877
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.760
Fair, that's fair. No, but I'm curious. So two of

1878
01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:24.479
them died of hypothermia.

1879
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:26.680
M m, what about everybody else?

1880
01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:29.239
Yeah, that's because I thought they said one of them

1881
01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:30.920
died of hunger, right.

1882
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:32.680
But yeah, but what about the other guy?

1883
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.319
Yeah? Yeah, let's see what let's see what else there

1884
01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.800
is to get into debies think that one of them

1885
01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:41.039
may have given in to the need to sleep that

1886
01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:43.520
comes with the late stages of hypothermia, while the others

1887
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:46.279
stayed by his side and died the same way. Geez,

1888
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:50.880
that's really sad. Two days later, as part as part

1889
01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:53.840
of one of the other search parties, Hewett's father found

1890
01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:57.520
his son's backbone under a Manzita brand.

1891
01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:58.960
But he just knew it was him.

1892
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:04.039
Hey, you don't have a child, you don't, you just know? Yeah, No,

1893
01:48:04.119 --> 01:48:05.600
but that's yeah.

1894
01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:07.640
That's really sad and an upsetting.

1895
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:11.600
Two miles northeast of the trailer, His shoes and jeans

1896
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:15.079
were nearby, which helped identify the body. The next day,

1897
01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:18.359
a deputy sheriff found a skull downhill from the bush

1898
01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:22.119
three hundred feet away, confirmed by dental records later to

1899
01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:25.880
have been Hewitt's. His death was also attributed to hypothermia.

1900
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:30.960
Around a quarter mile northwest of the trailer, searchers found

1901
01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:35.239
three forest service blankets and a rusted flashlight next to

1902
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:40.439
the road. It could not be determined how long those

1903
01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:44.560
items had been there, since Matthias had presumably not taken

1904
01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:49.600
his medication. His photograph was His photograph was distributed to

1905
01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:53.640
mental institutions all over California. However, no trace of him

1906
01:48:53.720 --> 01:48:55.600
has ever been found.

1907
01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:56.479
Wow.

1908
01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:03.159
Now, as far as evidence inside the trailer, where's body

1909
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:06.720
wrapped in eight sheets, including the head, was found on

1910
01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:12.760
a bed inside the trailer. Okay, so you're making a face.

1911
01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:16.279
Yeah, so so I was a very sad face. Yeah,

1912
01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:19.479
obviously some he died and someone else was around.

1913
01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:23.159
Yeah, okay, and you think they wrapped him up to

1914
01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:29.439
like respect that his body or something. Yeah, yeah, out

1915
01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:30.439
of mourning or whatever.

1916
01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.399
Yeah, or like they didn't want to see it and

1917
01:49:32.479 --> 01:49:34.479
it was gross like I would do. Yeah.

1918
01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:37.520
Oh yeah, you'd like, oh, you just pushed the corpse

1919
01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:39.640
right out of the building, you'd like, yeah, exactly.

1920
01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:40.880
Yeah.

1921
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.880
The autopsy showed that he had died of a combination

1922
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:50.199
of starvation and hypothermia. Now, that takes quite a bit

1923
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:53.159
of time to die, to have starvation begin to kill you.

1924
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:55.199
Okay, so I have an idea.

1925
01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:57.199
Yeah, maybe he.

1926
01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:00.319
Wasn't in that. Maybe him and the other guy that

1927
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:04.000
are a that they never found survived for a while

1928
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.199
and they find they found that like cabin at the end,

1929
01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:08.560
and it was just too late.

1930
01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:15.960
Hmm. It gets weirder. Weird had lost nearly half of

1931
01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:20.439
his two hundred pound body weight. The growth of his

1932
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:24.479
beard suggested he had lived slightly more than three months

1933
01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:28.279
from when he had last shaved. Okay, that would be

1934
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:32.159
my estimate too, because when you don't eat anything, you

1935
01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:35.359
generally don't lose more than about a pound a day,

1936
01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:40.560
and sometimes less. It's something like nine point eight or

1937
01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:42.439
point nine pounds a day is the average when you're

1938
01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:45.760
not eating anything. Okay, So for him to lose almost

1939
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:47.800
one hundred pounds, you'd have to be alive a minimum

1940
01:50:47.840 --> 01:50:54.920
of one hundred days. Okay, probably more so, But the

1941
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:58.079
beard growth is a really good point too. His feet

1942
01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:01.239
were badly frostbitten, almost gangrenous.

1943
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:06.039
Yeah, yeah, he'd been outside. Yeah.

1944
01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:08.760
On the table next to the bed were some of

1945
01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:13.439
Weir's personal effects, including his wallet with cash inside, a

1946
01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:17.000
nickel ring with Ted engraved on it, and a gold

1947
01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:20.800
necklace he also wore. Also on the table was a

1948
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:25.079
gold watch missing its crystal, which Weir's family said was

1949
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:33.439
not his hmmm, and a partially melted candle. He was

1950
01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:37.279
wearing a valure shirt and lightweight pants, but his shoes

1951
01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:44.720
could not be found. Most puzzling to the investigators was

1952
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:48.880
how Weir had come to his fate. The trailer's fireplace

1953
01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:53.439
had not been used, despite an ample supply of matches

1954
01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:59.319
and paperback novels to use his kindling. Heavy forestry clothing,

1955
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:02.439
which could have up the men warm, was also remained

1956
01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:07.560
where it was stored. A dozen c ration cans from

1957
01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:11.560
a storage shed outside had been opened and their contents consumed.

1958
01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.399
But a locker in the same shed that held an

1959
01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:18.439
even greater assortment of dehydrated foods and enough to keep

1960
01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:22.079
which oh wow, listen to this, a greater assortment of

1961
01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:25.479
dehydrated foods enough to keep all fed men, all five

1962
01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:30.399
men fed for a year if necessary. Hmm, there was

1963
01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.359
there was enough food to feed five men for a year. Wow,

1964
01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:42.239
had not even been opened. Similarly, another shed nearby held

1965
01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:46.359
a butane tank with a valve that, had it been opened,

1966
01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:56.359
would have fed the trailer's heating system. Yeah, wow, weird, Sam, Sorry, please,

1967
01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:57.600
I just think it was too late.

1968
01:52:57.720 --> 01:53:00.760
I think that like they got there and he died

1969
01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:01.960
almost immediately.

1970
01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:07.119
And wait, so he got he got to the shed,

1971
01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:10.000
to the yeah, the shed, the trailer, whatever, and died

1972
01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:13.960
immediately pretty much, so he had lived in the in

1973
01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:15.439
the elements.

1974
01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:19.000
Yeah, I don't know. You're right. That doesn't really make

1975
01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:20.000
sense either.

1976
01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:22.600
Because yeah, because he had, because the fact that there

1977
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:24.600
was food that had been eaten, but he also lost

1978
01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:26.520
nearly one hundred pounds. He just he really must have

1979
01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:28.680
lived like three months.

1980
01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:31.880
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1981
01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:36.039
And he never used the heating in there, He never

1982
01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:41.319
wore the clothes in there. Something I mean, not something.

1983
01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:43.159
A lot doesn't add up.

1984
01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:48.640
Yeah, if it wasn't for the beard and the weight loss,

1985
01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:51.319
I would think that the other guy like carried him there.

1986
01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:54.800
Yeah sure, but I yeah, I don't know.

1987
01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:59.800
Where's family said that he did lack common sense as

1988
01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:04.199
a result of his cognitive disability. For example, he often

1989
01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:07.720
asked why it was necessary to stop at a stop sign. Okay,

1990
01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.680
that's not common sense, that is arbitrary. There's the reason

1991
01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:13.239
to stop in a stop sign is because we tell

1992
01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:16.359
you too that's not sorry, just I'm just riffing on that,

1993
01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:19.720
but it's true. And one night he had to be

1994
01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:22.600
dragged out of bed while the ceiling of his bedroom

1995
01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:25.560
was burning in a house fire because he was afraid

1996
01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.760
he would miss his job if he didn't get ample sleep.

1997
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:32.520
Okay, so he just he just got there and he

1998
01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:33.520
just starved to death.

1999
01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:37.159
He just didn't understand enough to like check everywhere or

2000
01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:39.520
use the tools available to him.

2001
01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:40.600
That's really sad.

2002
01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:45.600
Yeah. It also appeared that Weir had not been alone

2003
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:50.680
in the trailer, and that Matthias and possibly Hewitt had

2004
01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:56.760
also been there. Matthias's tennis sneakers were in the trailer,

2005
01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:01.039
and the sea rations had been opened with a P

2006
01:55:01.199 --> 01:55:05.399
thirty eight can opener, with which only Matthias or Madruga

2007
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:08.520
would have been familiar with from their military service.

2008
01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:09.159
Humm.

2009
01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:14.800
Matthias, his feet, perhaps also swollen from frostbite, could have

2010
01:55:14.840 --> 01:55:17.920
decided to put Weir's shoes on instead if he had

2011
01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:23.399
ventured outside. The sheets covering Weir's body also suggested that

2012
01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:26.199
one of the others had been there with him as

2013
01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:28.720
his gangreno. His feet would have caused too much pain

2014
01:55:28.840 --> 01:55:34.600
for him to pull them over. His body himself. Right, Wow,

2015
01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:38.520
We're going to take a quick break and then we'll

2016
01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:42.680
talk about the mainstream theories about this and wrap things

2017
01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:47.359
up on the bizarre case of the Yuba County five.

2018
01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:51.119
Bizarre and heartbreaking case of the Yuba County five right

2019
01:55:51.159 --> 01:56:01.399
after this. Now, as we wrap up this conversation about

2020
01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:05.039
the Yuba County five, I'm really curious to hear what

2021
01:56:05.079 --> 01:56:08.880
the official theories are as to what happened, and that

2022
01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:12.159
way I can hopefully taunt Michelle for just being wrong

2023
01:56:12.199 --> 01:56:19.920
as hell always, I mean fair, fair. After it was

2024
01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:22.680
determined that four of the five men had died in

2025
01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:26.840
the Sierras, investigators still had no explanation as to why

2026
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:30.159
the men were there, although they learned that Matthias had

2027
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:34.199
friends in the small town of Forbestown, and police believed

2028
01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:36.960
it was possible that in an attempt to visit them

2029
01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:39.520
on the way back home, the men may have taken

2030
01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:42.359
a wrong turn near Oroville that put them on the

2031
01:56:42.399 --> 01:56:45.680
Mountain Road. For whatever reason, the men had left the

2032
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:48.800
Mercury instead of going back the way they came, where

2033
01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:52.039
they had passed the lodge that Shawn's later returned to,

2034
01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:56.560
they chose to continue along the road in the direction

2035
01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:59.920
they were originally headed. That's a good point too. They

2036
01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:02.079
when they were when their car was stuck, they kept

2037
01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:04.039
going the way they were heading, and not from back

2038
01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.680
from where they came, which is kind of an odd choice.

2039
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:11.319
I mean, it is, but I think that there are

2040
01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:15.079
just factors exacerbating this like that.

2041
01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:19.560
I don't know, you don't want to say that because

2042
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:20.640
they're mentally challenged.

2043
01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:25.399
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's what we're heading for.

2044
01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:30.560
Yeah, it's possible, you know, confusion, panic, Uh, there are

2045
01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:33.680
a lot of possibilities there. It's just the part where

2046
01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:36.319
at least one of them survived for months is the

2047
01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:41.960
part that really is weird to me, like confusing. Yeah,

2048
01:57:42.439 --> 01:57:44.600
it's just you just wouldn't ever expect that.

2049
01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:47.520
Yeah, I mean, but we don't know that the others

2050
01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:49.920
didn't also survive to.

2051
01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:52.920
No, any of them survived. But the more of them

2052
01:57:52.920 --> 01:57:56.319
that are alive, the more yeah, the less likely it

2053
01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:58.399
is that they would make the mistakes they made if

2054
01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:00.720
more of them were alive, because the more brain power

2055
01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:02.640
you have, the more ideas you're going to come up with.

2056
01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:03.079
Right.

2057
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:06.039
Yeah, So you know the fact that they were there

2058
01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:08.600
and they never used the heating in any way, they

2059
01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:11.079
didn't see the extra food there. They didn't go through

2060
01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:14.439
everything just to see what was available to them. Yeah,

2061
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:16.520
if they all four, if all five of the five,

2062
01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:18.199
because to keep forgear, of there five of them, they

2063
01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:22.760
only they found four bodies, you would think that they

2064
01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:25.560
would come up with more solutions. So it makes me

2065
01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:27.640
think that it's more likely only two of them were alive,

2066
01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:34.560
or maybe one for the most part, jeez. The day

2067
01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:38.640
before the men went missing, the USFS SnowCat had gone

2068
01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:41.359
along the road in that direction to clear snow off

2069
01:58:41.359 --> 01:58:44.760
the trailer roof so it would not collapse. It was

2070
01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:48.479
possible police believed that the group had decided to follow

2071
01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:51.039
the tracks that left through snow drifts four to six

2072
01:58:51.079 --> 01:58:54.159
feet high to wherever they led, in the belief that

2073
01:58:54.279 --> 01:58:59.239
shelter was not too far away. Okay, most likely. Madruga

2074
01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:02.880
and Sterling died of hypothermia about halfway through the long

2075
01:59:02.960 --> 01:59:10.279
walk to the trailer, and Hewitt soon after. Okay, okay, yeah, hmm.

2076
01:59:11.560 --> 01:59:14.399
It is assumed that once they found the trailer, the

2077
01:59:14.479 --> 01:59:18.159
other two broke the window to enter since it was locked.

2078
01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:21.239
They may have feared a rest for burglary or theft.

2079
01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:25.560
If they used anything they found there. After Weir died

2080
01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:29.880
and after Matthias thought he had died, or after Matthias

2081
01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:32.840
thought he had died, he may have decided to try

2082
01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.840
to get back to civilization by different ways, such as

2083
01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:41.840
walking overland. Yeah, that checks out. So the fact that Matthias,

2084
01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:46.039
the idea that Matthias may have worn weird shoes because

2085
01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:49.079
his feet were swollen, that checks out. The fact that

2086
01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:55.039
he left the body in a respectful manner, that checks out. Maybe.

2087
01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:58.000
But Matthias is just a total mystery. We really don't

2088
01:59:58.039 --> 02:00:00.760
know where he where he is or anything.

2089
02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:04.359
Pretty sure he just died and they just didn't joined

2090
02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:04.800
his body.

2091
02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:09.560
It sounds likely, yeah, man, and and that, but that's

2092
02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:13.880
that's the that's it. That's those are the main theories

2093
02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:20.319
of the Yuba County five. That's rough, man, I guess.

2094
02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:23.600
The main reason so many details are focused on Matthias

2095
02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:26.359
is because it's not necessarily because he was a suspect.

2096
02:00:26.399 --> 02:00:28.520
So much is because he was the only one that

2097
02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:29.359
could be a lot.

2098
02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:30.880
Yeah.

2099
02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:34.000
So they looked into him a ton, Yeah, and uh,

2100
02:00:34.079 --> 02:00:37.039
and put out, you know, photographs of him everywhere and

2101
02:00:37.039 --> 02:00:39.000
stuff trying to figure out where he was. He would

2102
02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:43.439
have turned up. By now, you'd think, yeah, yeah, but

2103
02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:45.640
I'm also just shocked they never found him.

2104
02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:51.279
I'm not. Yeah, yeah, I mean we don't know even

2105
02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:54.760
what direction he walked in or how far he got,

2106
02:00:54.920 --> 02:00:57.279
and then things probably ate him, so.

2107
02:00:57.840 --> 02:00:59.960
When things ate other people too exactly.

2108
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:03.720
But but they just kind of found But that doesn't

2109
02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:06.720
mean that his body can't still just be out there

2110
02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:09.800
somewhere like deep in the woods.

2111
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:13.159
Well by now, I mean it's it's very much just bones.

2112
02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:14.079
Yeah.

2113
02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:17.560
Yeah, So because we're talking nineteen seventy eight, so that

2114
02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:20.640
was forty seven years, five months, and twenty eight days ago.

2115
02:01:21.079 --> 02:01:24.640
Because I'm a savant, and not because they automatically populate

2116
02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:30.920
that on Wikipedia. Yeah. So yeah, with that all being said, Hey,

2117
02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.239
sometimes when I strove to remember how old I am,

2118
02:01:33.319 --> 02:01:36.239
I check Wikipedia because it automatically populates my age.

2119
02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:38.680
That's that's nice.

2120
02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:40.800
For a month or so, you know, you're like, wait,

2121
02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.640
am I thirty seven or three? You know, Yeah, I'm dumb. Okay,

2122
02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.680
I'm stupid. It's fine, gonna be thirty nine next month,

2123
02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:53.279
go meet. Yeah, so I did it, but uh but yeah,

2124
02:01:53.319 --> 02:01:56.000
the Yuba County five thing, that's it's very eerie. I'm

2125
02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:58.720
actually curious, like after the show now, I kind of

2126
02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:01.079
want to like see if they're any cool documentaries about it,

2127
02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:05.520
you know, for when I'm not feeling when I'm feeling morbid.

2128
02:02:08.159 --> 02:02:11.359
I'm weird. I love spooky stuff, but like I can

2129
02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.960
get very affected by true crime, Like I can get

2130
02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:16.600
very very sad or whatever. I don't know if you

2131
02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:19.840
remember that year on Weekly Spooky, I was doing true

2132
02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:21.880
crime stories around Christmas, and after I did, when I

2133
02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:24.399
literally ended the show by saying, I'm not doing any

2134
02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:28.920
more this month because It's made me really really sad. Yeah,

2135
02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:31.319
so they can start to get to me. That's why

2136
02:02:31.319 --> 02:02:33.239
I try to sprinkle like it'll be sometimes true crime,

2137
02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:38.439
sometimes folklore, which is a little less harsh on my

2138
02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:44.479
old brain. Bean. So, but this was interesting. I'd never

2139
02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:50.119
heard of it before, and uh yeah, I unfortunately it

2140
02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:53.199
does sound like it's just misadventure with a lot of

2141
02:02:53.439 --> 02:02:56.159
odd extra steps that don't make sense to us because

2142
02:02:57.079 --> 02:02:59.840
of some of the participants' intellectual disabilities.

2143
02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:00.560
Yeah.

2144
02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:04.640
Yeah, man, that's so sad.

2145
02:03:05.000 --> 02:03:06.319
Yeah, it really really is.

2146
02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:11.199
Great job shell way to keep the mood up. Well,

2147
02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:12.840
we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna

2148
02:03:12.840 --> 02:03:14.840
wrap things up. For the month by talking a little

2149
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:18.439
bit about horror movies in the theater and some scariness

2150
02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.840
on Reddit and try to get the mood up. Geez gosh,

2151
02:03:23.560 --> 02:03:27.039
Chell's the worst. I swear I'm gonna I'm gonna act

2152
02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:28.720
like you pick these because I know you won't argue it.

2153
02:03:28.760 --> 02:03:33.039
You'll just be like I do. I'm sorry, We'll be

2154
02:03:33.159 --> 02:03:45.800
right back, all right, my spookies. We're wrapping up yet

2155
02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:51.680
another edition of Monthly Spooky, and I'm happy to be here.

2156
02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:54.520
I haven't been feeling very well this month, but I

2157
02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:57.479
was very excited to get back in the saddle and

2158
02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:01.279
talk to you cell and read some spooky news stories

2159
02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:04.600
and get really depressed by a true crime story. And

2160
02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:07.840
you know it wasn't even really a true crime story.

2161
02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:09.119
It's true tragedy story.

2162
02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:09.880
Yeah.

2163
02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:12.640
Yeah, I feel like that's what you would host. You'd

2164
02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:14.680
be like, I don't do true crime. I Drew do

2165
02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:18.279
true tragedy. And it's just a sad story. And then

2166
02:04:18.279 --> 02:04:22.359
it ends like no no commentary to and then they

2167
02:04:22.399 --> 02:04:27.880
all died and wish they had had a chance to love. Yep, yeah,

2168
02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:32.720
email me at this by you know this that's just

2169
02:04:33.079 --> 02:04:36.439
true sads. You could just have a podcast called True

2170
02:04:36.439 --> 02:04:39.680
Sads and so true crime it's just sad stories. You're

2171
02:04:39.720 --> 02:04:44.720
just reading anything sad in the newspaper. Yeah, anyway, bye,

2172
02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:48.079
You're like, oh my god, my niche, my niche. Yeah,

2173
02:04:48.199 --> 02:04:53.079
I found it. So as far as horror and stuff

2174
02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:57.319
coming up, there's so much interesting stuff coming up. We've

2175
02:04:57.359 --> 02:05:01.600
got some really interesting horror movie. He's like Keeper that's

2176
02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:05.439
coming out later this year. We've got Night Bright. Elm

2177
02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:08.119
Street series is finally coming out in four K. They're

2178
02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:11.760
doing the entire seven movies in four K. Really excited

2179
02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:13.960
about that. Night of Living the nineteen ninety is getting

2180
02:05:13.960 --> 02:05:15.960
a four K release, and they're releasing the director's cut

2181
02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:19.000
for the first time ever, which is like really exciting

2182
02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:23.119
because the director's cut is legendary for being like really

2183
02:05:23.159 --> 02:05:26.159
gory and crazy because the movie was like destroyed by

2184
02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:28.199
the MPAA to get an R rating. They cut like

2185
02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:30.560
all the violence out of it, and it was directed

2186
02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:32.560
by like the greatest, one of the greatest special effects

2187
02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:34.640
artists of all time, and then they cut all the

2188
02:05:34.680 --> 02:05:35.279
effects out.

2189
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:36.720
That sucks.

2190
02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:39.640
So there's a lot of interest stuff like that coming up.

2191
02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:42.239
October is gonna be really fun. I'm gonna try so

2192
02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.720
hard because I got to keep up with weekly Spooky's needs.

2193
02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:47.199
But I'm gonna try so hard to try and go

2194
02:05:47.319 --> 02:05:49.600
to a haunted house every weekend like a I did

2195
02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:53.560
almost every weekend last year and it was amazing. Yeah,

2196
02:05:53.600 --> 02:05:57.640
and you should go to a haunted house. No, they

2197
02:05:57.680 --> 02:05:58.960
still scare you.

2198
02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:02.000
No, No, I just feel really awkward. I don't know

2199
02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:02.359
what I'm.

2200
02:06:02.479 --> 02:06:03.640
As composed to what.

2201
02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:07.880
Less? I don't know.

2202
02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:09.840
Well, I feel like you would know exactly what to

2203
02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:11.840
do an AHNA trailer, like walk through this trail.

2204
02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:17.159
Yeah, but then like people come out and I'm like, Okay,

2205
02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:19.560
what am I supposed to do? Now that you can

2206
02:06:19.640 --> 02:06:21.520
see me and I can also.

2207
02:06:21.319 --> 02:06:24.119
See you, I feel like that's just you at the

2208
02:06:24.119 --> 02:06:25.039
grocery store as well.

2209
02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:27.760
But okay, yeah, exactly why would I want to go

2210
02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:30.159
through that and pay money for it?

2211
02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:36.039
Okay? Point taken, Point taken. But there were two horror

2212
02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:38.960
films in the theater in the last month that I

2213
02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:43.399
went and saw that I really enjoyed. And they were Together,

2214
02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:48.800
which is a horror romance movie about a married couple

2215
02:06:48.880 --> 02:06:54.199
who get exposed to a type of magical water basically

2216
02:06:55.079 --> 02:06:58.439
and whenever they touch their bodies start to graft Together.

2217
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:00.880
Oh, I feel like I heard about this.

2218
02:07:01.760 --> 02:07:04.640
It was really good. I really enjoyed it.

2219
02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:07.720
It's not that I heard about that, it's that I

2220
02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:11.720
know a comic artist that made a comic like that.

2221
02:07:12.479 --> 02:07:16.439
Oh yeah, I wonder if it was also called Together.

2222
02:07:16.920 --> 02:07:19.079
It was really really good.

2223
02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:22.279
Hmmm huh. Yeah, this was not a comic based on

2224
02:07:22.319 --> 02:07:23.000
a comic book.

2225
02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:25.119
Yeah, I mean I didn't. I would know if something

2226
02:07:25.199 --> 02:07:27.119
was based on his comics.

2227
02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:27.720
I would know.

2228
02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:28.520
I would know.

2229
02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:30.880
I like that, I like that attitude. But it was

2230
02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:32.880
really good. I thought I had really interesting things to

2231
02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:37.000
say about love, marriage and life. And it was also

2232
02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:41.640
creepy and gross. Then the big hit horror movie of

2233
02:07:41.640 --> 02:07:44.279
the year, which might become the number one horror movie

2234
02:07:44.319 --> 02:07:47.840
of the year, Weapons from the directors from the director

2235
02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:49.319
of Barbarian.

2236
02:07:50.319 --> 02:07:54.279
And sorry, I don't know what Barbarian. I don't know.

2237
02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:58.800
It was an incredible, unexpectedly great movie, Like it came

2238
02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:01.359
out and everybody, that's the word of mouth was excellent

2239
02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:03.319
because people are like, whoa when they watched it, it

2240
02:08:03.399 --> 02:08:06.000
just blew their minds. But it's basically about a town

2241
02:08:06.039 --> 02:08:08.840
where a group of kids in an eighth grade class

2242
02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:12.319
all disappear except one boy, and the town is just

2243
02:08:12.359 --> 02:08:15.319
like torn apart by it. It's really interesting. Anything more

2244
02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:18.079
than that's the spoiler because it's so like the trailers

2245
02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.560
tell you so little. But I really enjoyed it. I'm

2246
02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:23.039
gonna try and go see it again this week. So cool,

2247
02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:27.039
But that's the horror I've seen this week in the

2248
02:08:27.039 --> 02:08:29.560
theater or this month in the theater. Chell, Do you have

2249
02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:31.960
anything spooky from Reddit to close us out?

2250
02:08:32.359 --> 02:08:34.119
I can, but I do want to say that I

2251
02:08:34.199 --> 02:08:38.560
know about weapons from NPR.

2252
02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:40.039
Of course you do.

2253
02:08:40.439 --> 02:08:45.399
Yeah. Anyway, so there's one thing from Reddit that I

2254
02:08:45.399 --> 02:08:47.680
thought was okay, and I'm going to kind of try

2255
02:08:47.720 --> 02:08:49.960
to remember exactly what it was, but it was from

2256
02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:54.960
basically the person. So when she was a kid, her

2257
02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:59.279
mom used to make like silver jewelry, like handcrafted silver jewelry,

2258
02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:01.720
and she was really into solar rings. So she had

2259
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:04.000
three silver rings from her mom that she used to

2260
02:09:04.039 --> 02:09:05.680
wear all the time. I think she was like a

2261
02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:09.079
teenager or something like that, like a young teenager. And

2262
02:09:09.079 --> 02:09:13.159
at one point they went to the beach and she

2263
02:09:13.159 --> 02:09:15.319
she's wearing all the rings. So she puts all her

2264
02:09:15.359 --> 02:09:17.640
rings in her shoe like and like way in the

2265
02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:19.439
back so that they can go in the water and

2266
02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:21.720
it'll be okay. When she gets out, the rings are

2267
02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:24.239
just gone. And they didn't see anybody. There was no

2268
02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:26.000
one else on the beach, so they don't really understand

2269
02:09:26.039 --> 02:09:29.399
what happened. But she like loved these rings, and she

2270
02:09:29.479 --> 02:09:32.239
was like trying to find them and like asking people,

2271
02:09:32.359 --> 02:09:35.319
like anyone seen my rings, like posting about it and

2272
02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:38.399
stuff like that. Never found the rings, obviously, and her

2273
02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:41.560
mom stopped doing her mom stopped using like silver to

2274
02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:45.479
make jewelry and started doing other stuff. But and there's

2275
02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:49.079
all this stuff, like she had a really weird childhood

2276
02:09:49.079 --> 02:09:50.560
and they had to like move in the middle of

2277
02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:52.279
the night one time, so they like didn't have any

2278
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:55.119
of the same belongings from that period of time. It's

2279
02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:58.319
been like thirty years and they're living in a house

2280
02:09:58.399 --> 02:10:02.239
that they're about to move into a new house, but

2281
02:10:02.279 --> 02:10:04.000
they've living in a house, you know, with none of

2282
02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:06.119
the stuff that they used to have, and so they're

2283
02:10:06.119 --> 02:10:08.279
getting ready to move with cleaning out the shed and

2284
02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:10.760
in the back of the shed there's like a dresser

2285
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:14.319
that has like all her moms Julia making stuff in it,

2286
02:10:14.800 --> 02:10:16.760
and there were one of the rings is just in there,

2287
02:10:17.479 --> 02:10:21.840
and she has no idea. No one has any idea.

2288
02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:24.560
No one on Reddit could say anything that like actually

2289
02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:27.680
made sense if we're assuming that these people didn't keep

2290
02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:33.560
their belongings, you know, from place to place, because I

2291
02:10:33.600 --> 02:10:36.319
don't remember what it was like it was like domestic abuse,

2292
02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:41.119
and I think that they ended up like, you know,

2293
02:10:41.359 --> 02:10:45.520
getting Uh why am I saying the wrong word? You know,

2294
02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:50.239
like uh, like it doesn't matter. But yeah, so like

2295
02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:53.079
they didn't have any of that stuff, So no, like,

2296
02:10:53.319 --> 02:10:57.760
how how could this ring get back there? And why

2297
02:10:57.840 --> 02:11:00.560
in this thing that's like way in the back shed

2298
02:11:00.560 --> 02:11:02.279
that no one can even get to anymore because it's

2299
02:11:02.319 --> 02:11:03.199
fl filled with stuff.

2300
02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:10.000
Well here's here's my thought. Okay, when you have to

2301
02:11:10.039 --> 02:11:15.359
do things under duress, like move suddenly or whatever, you

2302
02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:20.399
forget minor details, like very much because of the adrenaline,

2303
02:11:20.399 --> 02:11:23.359
the fight or flight, everything's happening all at once. You

2304
02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:25.439
get overwhelmed and you have to kind of get by

2305
02:11:25.479 --> 02:11:29.520
as best you can. So it wouldn't surprise me to

2306
02:11:29.760 --> 02:11:33.560
have not to have like taken something or remembered something

2307
02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:38.119
or grabbed it and put it somewhere and forgotten. I

2308
02:11:38.119 --> 02:11:39.640
think that would totally be reasonable.

2309
02:11:41.039 --> 02:11:43.720
I mean, I don't disagree with you, but this is

2310
02:11:43.760 --> 02:11:46.760
something that she had been searching for for years at

2311
02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:50.399
that point, So I'm pretty sure if she was the

2312
02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:52.279
one that did it, she would remember because it was

2313
02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:53.760
such a big deal to her.

2314
02:11:54.760 --> 02:11:58.199
But okay, so she was searching for it, but it

2315
02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:00.560
shouldn't have been there if they never kept any thing, right.

2316
02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:03.359
Oh no, No, she wasn't searching for it. They were

2317
02:12:03.359 --> 02:12:05.760
getting ready to move. Oh so they were just cleaning

2318
02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:09.600
things out. But she had been over the past thirty years,

2319
02:12:09.880 --> 02:12:12.479
just like trying to figure out like how what could

2320
02:12:12.479 --> 02:12:14.680
have happened and stuff. So this was a big deal.

2321
02:12:15.079 --> 02:12:20.159
Okay, And it's a ring, right, Was there any markings

2322
02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:22.199
that made it clear that it was the ring she

2323
02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:24.439
was remembering? Because it's been thirty years, it could literally

2324
02:12:24.439 --> 02:12:25.239
be just any ring.

2325
02:12:25.560 --> 02:12:27.880
Yeah, I know, she's the problem with.

2326
02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:29.640
Memory is that's the story we tell ourselves.

2327
02:12:30.399 --> 02:12:33.079
There shouldn't have been a silver ring in that drawer us.

2328
02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:36.079
Her mom doesn't use silver anymore, she doesn't make things

2329
02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:39.560
with silver. But yeah, I don't know. I mean I

2330
02:12:39.600 --> 02:12:41.760
saw she put a picture of it, and it honestly

2331
02:12:42.359 --> 02:12:45.000
did look like maybe it could have come from somewhere else,

2332
02:12:45.359 --> 02:12:47.960
like it didn't look so handmade to me that I

2333
02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:50.079
was like one hundred percent sure that like a person

2334
02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:51.520
made it and not like a factory.

2335
02:12:52.680 --> 02:12:56.800
But like, yeah, plus, silver rings are like the most

2336
02:12:56.960 --> 02:13:04.439
common rings. Yeah, silver rings, they're not very expensive. So

2337
02:13:05.079 --> 02:13:07.159
that one, I think it could have been a mistake,

2338
02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:12.039
just a simple mistake and whatever, because like thirty years,

2339
02:13:12.600 --> 02:13:15.279
your memory is going to be not great. And rings,

2340
02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:17.600
little things like rings that could have been from a

2341
02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:20.800
previous owner or somebody, you know, you know what I mean,

2342
02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:21.760
Like I don't know.

2343
02:13:22.439 --> 02:13:24.119
I don't think it could be from a previous owner

2344
02:13:24.119 --> 02:13:25.319
because it was in their stuff.

2345
02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:29.239
Oh oh well then hmmm, well then they probably just

2346
02:13:29.319 --> 02:13:32.520
I mean, I think that with thirty years of distance,

2347
02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:35.039
it'd be very hard to know exactly what happened. But

2348
02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:37.439
it just seems to me like somebody forgot something was

2349
02:13:37.479 --> 02:13:41.640
there or you know, yeah I would, I would, especially

2350
02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:44.039
if they if they were emphasizing that, like they had

2351
02:13:44.039 --> 02:13:47.720
to like leave places suddenly and rush around and stuff.

2352
02:13:47.840 --> 02:13:51.600
Then I think that it was just misplaced or misunderstood. Yeah,

2353
02:13:51.640 --> 02:13:56.399
that's my opinion. But it's boring or aliens because the

2354
02:13:56.439 --> 02:13:59.920
thing is, if this was you know, yet another multi

2355
02:14:00.199 --> 02:14:03.800
verse issue. Then why not find like a jewelry box

2356
02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:06.880
full full of the stuff your mom made that you

2357
02:14:06.920 --> 02:14:10.199
know still exists now that didn't before, as opposed to

2358
02:14:10.239 --> 02:14:14.520
like one buried somewhere where you wouldn't have noticed it anyway. Yeah,

2359
02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:17.279
that's all you're You're wow, you're really like standing for

2360
02:14:17.319 --> 02:14:19.479
these guys. You're like, no, I think this was ghosts.

2361
02:14:19.800 --> 02:14:24.960
No, No, I'm not disagreeing with you.

2362
02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:27.079
No, but that one is good. That is creepy and

2363
02:14:27.079 --> 02:14:32.239
and and odd silver ring. And the other thing is

2364
02:14:32.399 --> 02:14:35.359
with silver rings being so common, it's like, uh, who

2365
02:14:35.399 --> 02:14:39.680
knows why you find things? Yeah, you know. My first

2366
02:14:39.720 --> 02:14:42.159
thought would be test the ring, like, see if it's

2367
02:14:42.199 --> 02:14:45.600
actually made of silver, if it's like costume jewelry, like

2368
02:14:45.680 --> 02:14:48.279
I would be like checking, check if it's handmade, like

2369
02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:52.000
get it looked at. But but you know, or just

2370
02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:53.119
enjoy the reddit cloud.

2371
02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:55.520
Yeah.

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And on that note about reddit Cloud, thank you guys

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so much for joining us for another episode of Monthly Spooky.

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This really is a lot of fun to do every month,

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and I'm glad you guys enjoy it. I notice when

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you guys post on social media and stuff. Somebody, I'm

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so sorry. I can't Remember your Name listener, but had

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commented on a movie comment on Weekly Spooky's Tube of

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Terror on Facebook and said like, whatever gets me to

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the next episode of Monthly Spooky and it made me

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really happy. So but thank you guys for listening. We'll

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be back next month, celebrating the end of September and

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the beginning of spooky season. So yeah, and and email

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me at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com if you

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have something spooky you want us to talk about, or

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you want to send me a birthday present, I'll take it.

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But until next time, I've been in Enrique and you've

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been I've been here too. We'll catch you guys next time.

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Thank you,