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Ooh, I'm the ghost that haunts this land.
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Oh it me this land or this hotel, the.
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Van behind the hotel.
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Oh, that's really sad.
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Thanks, it's all I have.
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Oh I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but do you want to
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I'll come back around and we can do this again.
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I don't need your pity.
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No, really bad now, I'm sorry?
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Yeah yeah, oh yeah, Oh I feel so bad. I'm
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just gonna like saunter back to my car with blood
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in my veins pumping readily.
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Can't help that.
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I'm corporeal, dude, I guess some people. I just have
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all the luck in the world.
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Do you want do you do you want to like
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possess me for a minute? Will that make you feel better?
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You?
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Uh just made it weird. Sorry.
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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep
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dark secrets scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions
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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.
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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,
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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is cutting
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deep into horror.
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Welcome, my spookies, back to cutting deep into horror. I
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am of course, your hosting Rique Kuto here with my
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co host Rachel Ridulfhy. Rachel, how are you?
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I'm doing good? That was goofy. That was fun.
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Oh sorry, Jesus is goofy hateful?
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Are No? I didn't say that like it's bad thing.
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Well, we're in the midst of our pregame for the
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Halloween season, which is coming right up. It's now August
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and early August, but August nonetheless, and we're two months
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away from October. For me because September is my birthday month,
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I really kind of get to skate till Christmas. Yeah,
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once I get to My birthday's on the tenth of September,
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so it's the first third of the month too, just
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barely the first third, so I do. I won't lie
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like it's but it's also makes it kind of chaotic
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last four months because it's like Birthday, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas,
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New Year's and then it's like and now it's like January.
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I'm like, oh my god, how did I get here?
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It happens? Anybody get the license plateed on that truck?
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So and and and September is my fortieth birthday, so
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I get to age that's good. That's it good to
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have a plan. That's my that's my move, man, that's
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my secret move. Don't steal it. I'll be mad on
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But but yeah, so the pregame for October in the
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Halloween season, we're talking about yet another not only found
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footage film, and relatively modern one too, just over ten
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years old, but another found footage Halloween film. And there
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aren't a ton of those that are specifically on Halloween.
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And I've always had a love affair with movies set
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on holidays, especially Halloween and Christmas. Anyway, Yeah, so this
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is one. It's called hell House LLC. Last time we
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talked about the Houses October built, which ironically they came
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out a year apart, barely apart from each other, and
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they're both films very about similar things. Yeah, one is
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a haunt documentary about haunted houses, is in the attractions,
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and the other is about a group of people, hell
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House LLC, which I think is a great title. By
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the way, ole House LLC. I was saying really fast.
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I've been practicing Portuguese way too much, talking fast. But
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it's a great title, yeah, because it tells you what
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you need to know, which is like spooky, but also
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it's a business. Yeah, it's the business of fright. But
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this is a found footage film that is much more
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about a haunt being put in the wrong house exactly.
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And unlike Houses October Built, Hell House LLC has generated
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let's say, one, two, three, four sequels.
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That's a lot of sequel.
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That's now, that's four sequels, not four films. That's five films,
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four sequels. Sometimes I get confused. I'll be like, yeah,
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there's five sequels. I'm like, wait, no, no, the first
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one doesn't count because it's so it's a five film
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sequel or four five film series or four sequels.
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Yeah, I get it.
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Yeah, so five total movies, which I don't think I've
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seen the last one, which was hell House LLC lineage
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from August of twenty twenty five. The other ones I
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felt like, the pretty are they're pretty good, Okay, but
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but I but I like this one quite a bit.
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And they are easy to confuse because they're so similar
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in that one way that they're both about haunts at
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Halloween exactly. And if you mess up Houses October Built
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and make it House October Built, then it totally would
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be a title that would fit this Hellouse LLC exactly,
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and Hellouse LLC would kind of fit Houses October built,
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except you know, except it's only one house. But it's
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about the business of fright. It's just about a bunch
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of businesses. So, and that was a really good episode.
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If you guys missed that, you should definitely check that
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one out because it was a fun one to talk about.
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But hell House LLC, if you want to watch it
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before we spoil the hell out of it, it is
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available on YouTube with ads. It's available free on two
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B with ads, Pluto TV with ads, Roku Channel with ads,
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Plex with ads. You can also find every Hellhouse LLC
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movie on AMC Plus or Shutter with your subscription. And
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of course you could rent or buy it on Amazon
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Prime Video, Fandango at Home, and Apple TV. So very
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very accessible and readily available. And it's directed by Stephen Cognetti,
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who has directed all of the hell House LLC sequels.
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Oh that's cool.
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So it's very much his series.
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Okay, like his Baby, His Strange Child.
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Exactly, and it the leading actors, they did a good job,
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but you wouldn't recognize any o their names. You have
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Danny Bellini, Ryan Jennifer Gore Adams great name for a
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horror movie actor. Jared Hacker also great name for a
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horror movie actor. But they're not, you know, super well known,
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but they all do a very good job. Oh yeah,
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this one's got great twists and turns. One of the
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big elements that I love about this one. And I'm
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curious what you think, because we have been on a
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long we're getting ready to wrap up our found footage
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jaunt at least for now.
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Yes, we will come back eventually.
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Of course, there's just so many interesting ones. But we
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covered so many different found footage movies from all over
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the world for different time frames, and I would love
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for us to do like, definitely like Cannibal Holocaust eventually
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because it was the first found footage but I kind
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of even though it's not that actually that solid of
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a scary movie, I would love to do America's Deadliest
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Home Video because that was from ninety two or ninety three,
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and that's one of the earliest on video found footage movies.
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Okay, I remember, like I've heard.
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The times I helped remaster it. I worked for the
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distributor that put it out on DVD after it had
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been out of print for like fifteen years.
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That's awesome.
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The director of that went on to do a ton
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of movies, including a bunch of movies for the Asylum
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in Los Angeles. The people who did Scharnado and stuff,
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you did a lot of like commercial films and commercial commercials.
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So it's it's funny when you work in film. When
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you say commercial work, you don't mean commercial television commercials.
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like they can be in a they can be on
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a major streaming app or whatever, exactly, like a more
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underground like shot on a you know cam quorder down
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in dirty movies. Those aren't commercial films. They're more underground
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or whatever. Commercial movie like it's on to be in Hulu,
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you know, like, oh cool, it's a commercial movie exactly.
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But then you would you would actually say I work
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on commercials. Yes, but it's not the great delineation. That's
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very confusing, but it's like no, you you would say
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I do commercial films or commercials. They're not the same thing,
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but they sing. But then you could say I did that.
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He did a lot of commercial work, which would be
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commercial films as opposed to say he did a lot
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of work in commercials.
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Which means he is making ads in commercials.
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Yes, unless they well, actually a lot of commercials aren't
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really commercials unless they're from the commercial region of France.
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Otherwise it's just sparkling white advertisements. Okay, I you know,
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I'm on I'm on it a man. Well, you know,
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when we when we did our last show, I was
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in a rough spot because I was in the middle
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of changing my diet and losing weight and it's not
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always fun, especially early on. But I've lost thirty pounds
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and I feel pretty good and I ate a bunch
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of fish and that's not h Yeah, it's like, uh yeah,
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I'm either Portuguese or Dolphin. There's really those are the two.
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You know, why not both? Well, their languages are both
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really hard to pronounce.
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That, Yeah, that's where the sounds came from. It's the dolphin.
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Most of the most of the Atlantic Ocean is their coast,
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so see, that would be the Portuguese, the original Portuguese
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Dolphin Latin. These are jokes. People are like, I do
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not have any clue why we're laughing about Portuguese right now.
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That's fair, Yeah, that's for us. That was that was
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just for us sparkling white advertisements. But no, so this.
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But there is a film I really enjoy, a film
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that I think is I think it's actually now kind
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of underrated. It wasn't originally it was very popular, but
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I feel like as time went on, some people felt
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like it was cool to hate on it a little bit.
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That happens.
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But then again, with all the sequels, I think it's
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still aliked clearly, clearly. So, I mean I could be
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I could be wrong.
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But it would be kind of weird if no one
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watched the sequels but they kept making them.
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I mean, that does happen, but not at this level.
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But it was released in twenty fifteen, and oh, that's
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what I wanted to mention before I got on a
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long tangent. One of the things I like about this
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film is that the style of found footage is more
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mockumentary than literal found footage.
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I'm glad you mentioned that, because I was if you
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didn't say something soon, I was going to Yeah.
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Yeah, it's presented as a already complete documentary. Yeah. Now,
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there are positives and negative to me about that presentation style.
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One of the positives is it's presented more so it
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feels more put together. You can juxtapose things like you're
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editing a movie, but it's meant to be taken as
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a documentary. Also, it can lend it a if you
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do a really good job of the documentary elements, it
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can lend a believability element that can be disconcerting. Yeah,
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But the negative side is that it's hard to feel
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urgency because it's like, oh, well, then, after all the
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horrific things I'm about to see happened, somebody sat down
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in a dark room with like, you know, some wasabi
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ps and a freaking pack of Red Bull and just
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cranked out a first cut, you know, and then a
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producer showed up and just destroyed their sense of being
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and made them wish they'd went to law school after all. So,
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not based on any true story, So but that's something
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I think is important to keep in mind. But this
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film does something that I don't mind, although it does
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kind of break the illusion more. It combines that you
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get like a presented documentary, but then toward the end
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it falls apart and just becomes the footage is found. Yeah,
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And I don't hate that because I think that in
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a way that that it's a great way to establish
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so much. I don't know, what do you think about
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the idea of that.
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It's one of those things where because the rest of
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the movie was so good I was able to suspend
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my disbelief at the end and be like, Okay, that works.
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If the acting leading up to it hadn't been so good,
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or if it had fallen apart, like in the second
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act a little bit, then I feel like I kind
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of would, but I would have been way more disappointed.
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It would have been more judgy on it. Yeah, if
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it had immersed.
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You so well, yeah, because then it would have been like, well,
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wait a second, but if if all this happens, then
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and how did we get the footage at the end anyway? Yeah,
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and we'll get to that.
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Yeah. And I'm not going to say the name of
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the film because I don't want to spoil it, but
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there was a found footage movie that was mostly a mockumentary.
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We'll eventually watch it for the show. But I'm literally saying,
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like the literal end, so I don't want to tell
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you what it is, but I love it. But the
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ending literally cuts to being a narrative movie like it
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just it just cuts and all of a sudden, it's
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a narrative film of like the reveal of the bad
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guy and what he's done and da da da, And
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it's not like a big it doesn't become a narrative movie.
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It's the last like minute okay, the whole film. And
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I get why they did it, and I will say
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they did it early enough in the era that it
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was very different and ballsy okay, But I remember, even
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as a teenager watching it being it took me out
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of it. It maybe kind of go ah man because
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as a you know, producer and director of several found
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footage movies and a lover of them, there is an
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element of that. I like when they're perfect logically or
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as close as you can get, Like it makes sense
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why the camera was always on, It makes sense why
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they're doing what they're doing, why they keep filming it.
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May I like that stuff draws me in a lot,
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but I mean, if you hand me something as strongly
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done as Hell House LLC, I just can let go
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of that. Because I love a good fake documentary. I mean,
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ever since the Curse of the Blair Witch Channel documentary,
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that thing. There are two other fake Blair Witch documentaries
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I still haven't watched. I had to hunt them down.
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They were for showtime back in the early two thousands.
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I told you about them a year ago and you
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were like, that sounds cool, and then you went off
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and like played with trees or something. Sounds like you they.
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Out there.
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Yeah, that's fair better than in the house, which is
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where they seem to want to be, at least their
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roots and my damn drains.
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I know that's not fine.
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No, it's actually it's a problem.
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Yeah, this is too scary. Actually, I feel like, you know,
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we should have had should have had a content this
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morning there.
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Yeah, right, Yeah, we're going to talk about mortgages. We're
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going to talk about foundational issues with homes. We're going
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to talk.
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About so anyways, your house on a slab.
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great unless it somehow gets damage, which is rare, then
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it's a real big problem.
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But but you don't have to worry about rotten stuff
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because it's slab anyway. See, you made it worse. But yeah,
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So I love that that's the presentation style. I think
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it really serves the film very well. I agree, and
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I don't mind that it kind of breaks some of
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my personal rules because it works well. Yeah, and that always,
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I mean, did you get me entertained? Always trumps anything.
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Else, exactly exactly.
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So unless it's The Odyssey and they scream like we
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shot it in Imax for perfection, and then I'm like,
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that SHOT's not in focus. That happened, I was. I
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saw it. I saw it an Imax, and I literally
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like three times the shot was like soft because somebody
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moved a little, and then the rest of the shot
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was soft. And I just turned to Dave and I
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was like, uh huh ah.
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I love watching movies with you guys, because every one
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once in a while, I'll just hear one of you
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guys go yell focus.
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Fucus, especially when we're watching older movies. See, they have
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the excuse of having such a low budget that they
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couldn't know it was out of focus.
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After they like a week later, exactly during the Rushes,
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Christopher Nolan, he was.
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Watching There's no he had to have had a video
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tap in his camera, which allows you to see it
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on a screen, and if he didn't, he still could
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have afford to reshoot. But we're not talking about Odyssey.
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We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,
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we'll get into more of the like the more specific
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nitty gritty of Hell House LLC. Right after this. All right,
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we're back talking about LLC. And I do want to
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also mention that, as I just said, like, one of
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the things that makes a found footage movie Greade is
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this thing and that thing, Cannibal Holocaust is literally a
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narrative movie that features them watching found footage. So you know,
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I'm not trying to I'm not like, I'm not a
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stickler at all. Yeah, I mean get you get me laughing,
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you get me crying, you get me interested, and I
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forget the greegrease and the issues really really fast. So
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you know that's just my way.
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No, I agree, So.
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But yeah, yeah, So with Hell Else LLC, you do
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get the vibe that this was a relatively small movie,
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kind of pushed together by friends with a small amount
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of money. I don't know what the budget was. It
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was never published, but if I had to guess, it
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was probably in the fifteen thousand, maybe twenty thousand dollars range.
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I could see that one of the things they did
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to make the movie seem more expensive. That is always
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smart and I highly recommend this to filmmakers. Is it's
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set outside of New York City, right, right, because they
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mentioned their first Haunt was in New York City and
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then they're opening a new haunt and this one is
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an Abdon upstate New York.
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Right.
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Abadon, of course is a great name for a city
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that's going to be creepy because Abadon was like the
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Greek or the Hebrew term. It was like it meant destruction.
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It was like, yeah, angel Aapoleon. Yeah, Apoleon was the
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Greek version, so a destroyer, yeah kind of thing.
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Sorry, did you I was going to say the angel
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of distraction.
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Oh yeah, yeah, perfect, yeah yeah. So Abadon's a great
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name for the town. I think that's great. And it's
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upstate New York. They referenced that it's maybe an hour
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outside of New York City, which is you know, perfect,
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perfect for that because you know people will come there.
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But but here's what I'm saying about, like that they
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did this so smart. So they said it in upstate
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New York and that it was by New York City.
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We've been to Upstate New York together when we worked
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on a movie. Upstate New York is a more expensive
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place in general. I mean just in general, everything's a
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little bit more expensive. You know where they actually shot the.
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Film, Pennsylvania, New Jersey.
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Well, New Jersey's not cheaper than I'm se New York
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film was fort but yes, they shot it in Lee Heightened. Oh,
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we drove past the hotel when we went to the
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Joe Bob thing and I even made a comment, But
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you hadn't seen the movie, so I think it just
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went over your head because you don't know. Guy said, hello, well,
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we'll see was shot there, and why would you even
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know it? So why would it really register that much?
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But no, we drove right past. It's like it's like
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ten maybe fifteen minutes from the Mahoning Drive in Lee Heighten, Pennsylvania. Really,
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it's right there, and that's where those where that guy's from,
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the directors from there are from around there. So but
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but by saying it took place in a place that's
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more populous and more expensive, you kind of, in a
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weird way, give it an air of expensiveness. Yeah, and
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the idea that they were running a haunt in New
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York City suggests that they were spending money and making money,
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and then it makes all of it feel more believable
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as they're moving into this place that was like a
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band abd abadon Abdon, New York, which is not a
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real place. I think we mentioned that, but it makes
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more sense that they were able to, you know, that
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they were able to like build a whole new haunt, right,
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but also why they would want to get out of
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New York to save money and you know, cause in
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the hassle and all that. Yeah, So I thought that
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was a really clever move. And it's not hard. Like
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when I did A Bulldog for Christmas, which is a
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family movie I directed, I set it in Los Angeles
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and we shot it in Dayton, Ohio, because I was like, well,
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it just sounds more expensive. Yeah, And well and it
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was supposed to be winter and there was minimal snow,
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so I was like, well, we'll set it in Los
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Angeles because there's no snow. Ever, and then when there
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was snow later, they drove to northern California. So we
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set the whole thing in California, used California footage, used
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California landmarks. And we've never been called out for it,
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because why would you, Yeah, but it's just funny, like
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that made the movie kind of come off more expensive.
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It does, yeah, built in production by saying we were
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somewhere psychology is great.
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But anyway, so I love that element. But what we
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get here as we start up the actual film is
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the this documentary basically giving us a nice cold open
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of that, like fifteen people, including all and including nearly
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all the staff, died in what was declared a severe
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malfunction of the Haunt, and we're treated to a bunch
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of what looks like footage that people were taking themselves
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home video footage of them, like on their phone phones
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or cam quarters. Because this was before everybody had a
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spart It was deep into the beginning of everybody having spartphones,
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but not everybody did. Some people actually had little handheld
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cam quarterers.
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I do remember that Eli.
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I had a flip camera. Yeah, by the time I
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got one, my iPhone became better than it almost immediately,
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and I was like, damn it, why did I spend
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ninety dollars on this thing?
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New technology?
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Aah, damn you creative destruction. So but but so that alone,
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that brings up a lot of questions immediately, like, oh shit,
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so this this haunt has a bunch of people die,
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and then we're introduced to a documentary team, an investigative
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documentary team led by Diane Graves and her cameraman Jonathan
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and they're you know, interviewing people and talking about the
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rumors of supernatural activity. It's just really setting the stage
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very well. It did.
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Yeah, it did a fantastic job setting it up. And
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I loved I loved the initial setup of you know,
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showing all the footage from the perspective of the haunt goers. Yeah,
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because giving you that initial taste of what happened, uh,
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really makes you want to know from the documentary team,
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like what they uncover.
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Oh yeah, it's I mean, that's and that's the whole point.
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I mean, you know, it's the hook people, and they're
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doing it very well. And from here things only get weirder,
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more twisty and fascinating as they are going to present
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all of this footage that they were I forget, how
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did they get hold of it? Do you remember?
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Uh, Sarah gives it to them.
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That's what it was. Okay, she gave them well because
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oh yeah, she gave them all the footage.
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Yeah, you're right, she said. She got it from She
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got it from the location before the police could.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and so she brought it to them.
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Which is weird. So Sarah is the only one who survived.
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Yeah, so yeah, she's the sole survivor. And she was
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Alex the owner of hell House l Elsie. Wasn't she
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hurt his like a girlfriend girlfriend?
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Yeah, and that that is a really cool twist. My
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brain got confused for a second. I was like, I
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thought maybe they had a bunch of footage, but then
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she brought them the really interesting footage. But no, it
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was all of it. And she gives them these tapes
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and initially it's just home movie stuff. They wanted to
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have stuff that they could remember it by and stuff
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that they could turn into advertising later to show how
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they built it up, because which makes sense because you know,
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if you film a haunt being built and then the
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haunts a huge success, everybody would love to see how
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it came to be exactly. So we get this footage
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and obviously there's some weird stuff, but also how weird
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that Sarah got the footage before the police did. Wouldn't
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the police care the most about getting this footage. We'll
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talk about that and a lot more right after this,
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so our faithful Haunters ironic their Haunters going into a haunting.
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They go to the abandoned Hotel Abadon of course aptly
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the Hotel Abadon in Rockland County, which is the rural
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area outside of New York, to get it set up
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for Halloween. And I think they say it's like the
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it's like the middle of se September. Yeah, so that's
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like not a lot of time.
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Yeah, they've got it. It's a crunch, yeah, and it's
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it's definitely more time. That's one thing that I did
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like about this and that helped set it apart for
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me from Houses October Built, is while it's not much
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more time, there is more time that passes in this movie.
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Yeah.
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So it feels like you get to know the characters
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a little bit more intimately in a way because you're
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spending a little more you know, time with them.
483
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No, I would agree with that. Yeah. So they're going
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around this dilapidated hotel and it is beat to crap.
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They're they're finding like one of my favorite parts was
486
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.319
right at the start when they were finding just all
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the weird random junk in the front. Then they find
488
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like an old like it was like a treadmill or something,
489
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:48.720
and they're just like exercise bike or something.
490
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Yeah, and and well that was all scary. But then
491
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by the time they get to the basement, they find
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like a pile of old Bibles and like disturbing symbols
493
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:06.400
scrolled on the walls and like stuff set up for
494
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:07.480
like rituals.
495
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Looks like it. Yeah, and Alex the CEO of Hell
496
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.319
House LLC. He makes it sound like he did not
497
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.880
do an immense amount of due diligence before they moved there,
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00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:22.279
that he just kind of found out this place was
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00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.799
sitting abandoned, that it had a creepy reputation, and that
500
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.960
the community would actually be thrilled if it was turned
501
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.160
into something, you know, because it's a small community and
502
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.799
that would be good for the economy exactly. But I
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00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.680
cold yes, because when he sees the layout of the
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00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.039
house and everything, remember, he immediately mentions that he wants
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00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:46.039
the Hell House the attraction to culminate in the basement
506
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.880
where there's like a sacrifice, a cult sacrifice and a
507
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.000
woman chained up. Because then almost immediately after we'll meet
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00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.119
the actress they hired to play her. But that's interesting
509
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.960
because we hear like little rumbles of what the time
510
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.559
thinks of it. But once we meet Melissa, the local
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00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.519
scare actor, that they're the first one that they hire,51200:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.880
the young woman, which it makes by the way, it51300:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.559
makes sense that she'd be the first time they hire51400:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.920
because while she's not going to do anything super silacious,51500:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.839
she has to be like in a bra with like51600:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.880
a cut open shirt. She has to be a little51700:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.200
bit a little scath skin. Yeah, so you'd want to51800:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.119
find that person right away and make sure they're actually51900:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.440
they're comfortable and they don't want to quit, as opposed52000:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.559
to like a guy in like a mask can just52100:27:23.599 --> 00:27:24.319
be whoever.52200:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.920
Yeah, but you know, yeah, give that job to Bubba,52300:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.200
it's fine, or you can.52400:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.839
Give it to Pauline, you know, matter it's a big mask,52500:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.160
just put on the overalls. So, but when they start52600:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.079
talking to her, she starts talking with Alex and the cameraman,52700:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.720
paul the cameraman not of the documentary but of the crew,52800:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.319
about the hotel being a river to be haunted, and52900:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.799
she kind of mentions that like there was a belief53000:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.039
there was a cult there, which makes me think that53100:27:50.119 --> 00:27:54.160
Alex knew, because why the hell did he think immediately53200:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.880
like it should end with a cult in the basement.53300:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.519
I mean, of course, you know, they found all the53400:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.559
culty stuff in the basement, but I think he knew.53500:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.319
I think he knew about that, and he just didn't53600:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.640
want to tell anybody because he was afraid that it53700:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.039
would would cook them out.53800:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.960
Oh yeah, and we get that throughout the whole movie,53900:28:09.599 --> 00:28:16.160
where as things continue to escalate, Alex really just explains54000:28:16.160 --> 00:28:21.279
it away. Yeah, but you know, don't You don't go54100:28:21.519 --> 00:28:26.200
into a hotel and anticipate it to be haunted necessarily,54200:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.759
even if there are rumors, you're not necessarily thinking like,54300:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.920
oh yeah, and this is the time ghosts will be real.54400:28:33.200 --> 00:28:33.640
That's fair.54500:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.079
So I can kind of give him that. But he54600:28:37.200 --> 00:28:42.960
does also like every time there's something that goes wrong,54700:28:43.240 --> 00:28:47.720
Alex has an explanation or an excuse or no, this54800:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.440
is just production value, or no, we can get past this,54900:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.920
or no, there were past the point of no return,55000:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.519
like I'll, well, we'll all lose out if we don't55100:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.920
open this weekend.55200:28:58.079 --> 00:28:58.319
You know.55300:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.279
Well, that's another reason that the title works so well,55400:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.640
because it's a business. Yeah, and all of his money55500:29:06.359 --> 00:29:12.640
and all of Sarah's money are in this attraction mm hmm.55600:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.599
And I don't remember them going into super detail, but55700:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.279
they make it sound like some financial issue happened that55800:29:19.640 --> 00:29:21.400
especially got them out of New York, or that they55900:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.039
had a bad season, or it was kind of hinted at.56000:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.319
But I don't think it was spelled out, or maybe56100:29:25.359 --> 00:29:26.559
I'm just remembering correctly.56200:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.119
I do not remember it being explicitly spelled out, And56300:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.200
when I read the transcript, I don't believe it was mentioned,56400:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.240
but it did. They did mention, just.56500:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.160
Like remove the sense of that, you, you know, watch the56600:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.759
movie intensely and make every ready watch the movie.56700:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.720
I watched the movie intensely with you, and then I56800:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.480
went back through and I was like, I need to56900:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.160
make sure I remember things all right.57000:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.119
You just don't. You just don't believe in the veil57100:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.400
of like mystery that we give.57200:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.680
For pay no attention to the man behind.57300:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.319
The curtain, but another element because again it's a mockum henry.57400:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.920
After that is kind of discussed, then they go to57500:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.519
an expert that's being interviewed, who's an expert in like57600:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.160
the history around that part of New York of state57700:30:10.200 --> 00:30:15.319
New York, and he talks about how the place, the hotel,57800:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.079
was originally built by a cultist, like a like a57900:30:18.279 --> 00:30:25.599
very questionable figure, and that he chose the location because58000:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.240
the town's name was Abadan and you know that the58100:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.319
demon that guards the gata hell or something, and that58200:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.839
in nineteen eighty nine, a young mother and her daughter58300:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.799
disappeared while staying there, and that that was kind of58400:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.759
the big the big thing that caused the place to58500:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.240
start people start questioning if it was like a safe58600:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.240
place to be or what was going on with the58700:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.839
crazy cult guy, but that he was cleared of any58800:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.759
wrongdoing in their disappearance, but it destroyed the reputation of58900:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.400
the hotel. And then the big element that the cult59000:30:57.480 --> 00:31:04.400
leader hung himself shortly after in the in the hotel. Yeah,59100:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.680
and meanwhile they're talking about like putting hanging corpse fake59200:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.799
corpses in like the room where they think he might59300:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.480
have been hung, which you know, ghosts love that it's59400:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.880
a choice, and uh yeah, So as they're getting deeper59500:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.720
into this hotel, this a band that formerly abandoned hotel,59600:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.200
things are getting more weird and supernatural and kind of59700:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.759
in a weird way forth, Wallly, you know, they kind59800:31:30.759 --> 00:31:32.519
of get like breaking the fourth wall in weird ways,59900:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.640
like we see them watching footage back and stuff. But60000:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.400
we'll get to all the details of that right after this.60100:31:52.799 --> 00:31:58.359
Ah ha ha. So the the crew they get to60200:31:58.839 --> 00:32:03.160
this abandoned hotel and Alex is amped. He even keeps60300:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.960
saying like it's free production value, man, and I had60400:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.440
to laugh because you and I have literally done the60500:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.480
same thing, like on sets.60600:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.799
Sure for sure, Like our friend.60700:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.359
Pam, she's like, oh, I'm so sorry about like the60800:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.799
side of the barn doesn't look great, and we're like, no,60900:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.000
don't do anything. This is perfect.61000:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.720
But I've also been on the other side of that.61100:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.759
I have been crewe on films where they're like this61200:32:25.880 --> 00:32:31.160
is production value, and I'm like, this is legitimate, dangerous filth. Yeah,61300:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.599
this is not safe for people to be around all61400:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.720
day exactly.61500:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.279
And that's kind of the point that like the crew61600:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.480
was even trying to make was like, is it like61700:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.359
is their black mold? Are we gonna get sick and61800:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.880
die here? And he's like, Nah, it's great, it's it'll61900:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.480
be fine. Yeah, And things seem to go well because62000:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.400
you know the place has been abandoned for years. So62100:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.720
when they get there, like there's not even electricity, So62200:32:58.759 --> 00:32:59.079
they have.62300:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.440
To love that that they get there and there's just62400:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.240
no power.62500:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.119
Yeah, so it's like, oh, yeah, it's you. We're gonna62600:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.359
check out the place we've just runted. By the way,62700:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.480
here's your flashlights.62800:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.119
Yeah you will need them. Yeah, you're gonna need these62900:33:11.119 --> 00:33:11.839
some bitches.63000:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.599
So yeah, they have to spend like the first week63100:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.720
in campers. But then when they finally get electricity, it63200:33:19.880 --> 00:33:26.160
seems like everything is going great until one night. Paul63300:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.880
is kind of like sitting there like blogging, which is63400:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.400
like this was back when blogging was first like a63500:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.000
wee baby infant thing.63600:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.000
At this point it was actually on its way out.63700:33:37.160 --> 00:33:37.960
Oh was it okay?63800:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.599
By by twenty fifteen, Oh okay, no, it was like63900:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.759
that was that was when social media was was pretty64000:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.000
much clear that it was going to be the main thing.64100:33:46.200 --> 00:33:46.559
Okay.64200:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.839
Blogs were a little bit more specialized, like you did,64300:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.240
not everybody had a blog, but people who like you know,64400:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.519
talked about stuff at length had blogs. Yeah, as opposed64500:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.119
to that little period when like everybody had a zanga,64600:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.279
you know, when they were still trying to figure out64700:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.839
like you know, MySpace and zanga and live journal.64800:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.960
Oh my god, live journal. But if I got by64900:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.240
by the Russians, it.65000:34:07.240 --> 00:34:11.000
Did, of course it did. Everything does. But that's the65100:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.639
that's the hope for this show is that it'll get65200:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.920
bought out by the Russians and I can retire fat65300:34:14.960 --> 00:34:22.519
and happy. But but if I remember correctly, that was65400:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.360
the era when blogs became like a thing you did65500:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.440
if you were really into a thing you are you65600:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.840
are correct, You can just have a blog because you were.65700:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.719
You, Yeah, And that was that was kind of the65800:34:33.760 --> 00:34:38.320
point that Paul was making for his blog, was he65900:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.280
he was kind of like, you know, Alex is the66000:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.159
owner of hell House LLC, but you really get the66100:34:43.159 --> 00:34:48.519
idea that Paul was kind of like the idea guy.66200:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.039
So Paul was like, oh, well, I'm going to record66300:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.639
a blog every night of like what we've been doing66400:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.679
so that our fans, our hell House fans, will you know,66500:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.119
be able to see it and see what we've got66600:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.559
planned for the next next year and has As he's recording,66700:35:02.639 --> 00:35:08.760
he realizes that Sarah is just kind of wandering around, yeah,66800:35:08.800 --> 00:35:14.840
and realizes that she's sleep walking, and she just walks66900:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.199
to one of the abandoned rooms and just stands stock67000:35:20.360 --> 00:35:25.159
still in a corner, yeah, which is unsettling.67100:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.119
I'm a big fan of the like a person's just67200:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.320
standing there. Oh, it's a thing. I think it's fascinating.67300:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.840
I love like that's one of my favorite things. To67400:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.199
go back to one of the movies we talked about67500:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.480
a few weeks ago, Paranormal Activity. I love when she67600:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.400
just stands there looking at him, and then the timer67700:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.960
moves to tell you that she stood in the exact67800:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.199
same place staring for three or four hours, because that67900:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.519
we know, it's kind of like the whole thing where68000:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.960
like you watch a horror movie, somebody gets their head68100:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.079
cut off, You're like, oh, but then somebody cuts themself shaving.68200:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.199
You're like, oh god, no, okay, yeah, yeah, because.68300:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.320
You identify it's like you've had we've all had to68400:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.920
stand in one place for at least a whill. And68500:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.079
the reason I could say for a while is because68600:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.519
if you didn't stand in one place for two hours68700:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.559
is because you felt how uncomfortable it was. So you68800:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.119
did you Like you like, no, I'm gonna pace instead68900:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.800
of standing like this. Yeah, So it tells you, like69000:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.840
how unnatural it is for a human to just be69100:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.199
like dah da da, I'm gonna stand here and do nothing.69200:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.519
It's completely alien to almost everybody. Yeah, you know, unless69300:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.000
you're like a monk or something, or you're doing like69400:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.039
super super advanced tai chi. Yeah, so I love but69500:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.920
so I love that because it's a subtle thing and69600:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.840
it's something we do every day. It's just done in69700:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.440
a way we would never do. So it's really off putting.69800:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.599
Exactly. Yeah, no, it's great and this this movie is69900:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.880
full of that, which we will be getting to a70000:36:42.920 --> 00:36:43.880
lot more soon.70100:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.519
Yeah.70200:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.199
But yeah, so, so Sarah at Night is acting a70300:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.360
little bit odd, and this is where like again being70400:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.239
not just a straight uh found footage, being more of70500:36:56.280 --> 00:37:00.639
it like a mockumentary things. As the documentary crew is70600:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.440
talking about the original Abadon Hotel and about Tully committing suicide,70700:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.719
they also explain that Joey, one of the crew members,70800:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.519
did survive the first like the first night with Sarah,70900:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.719
and then promptly committed suicide like a week later. So71000:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.880
like that's why Sarah is, you know, the only the71100:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.159
only person they can talk to is because even though71200:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.400
the one other person that did survive, like it was71300:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.639
so horrific that he couldn't.71400:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.519
Go on and and they and they they held that71500:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.639
back too for a little while and then eventually revealed it. Yeah,71600:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.039
because they were like the only survivor and then it71700:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.079
was like, well what about that? And they're like uh,71800:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.400
And then later we find out it's because they went71900:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.400
to find him again and he killed himself. Yeah, so72000:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.360
and and and whenever we've been seeing these the like72100:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.840
little hints of like that night, it's mostly just chaos72200:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.519
and then the cops in the fire department showing up72300:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.360
almost immediately and just trying to figure what the hell72400:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.119
is even going on? Why is everybody freaking out?72500:38:01.480 --> 00:38:02.119
Yeah?72600:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.239
I love that because it keeps making me think, like,72700:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.039
what the hell is going on? What the hell is72800:38:06.079 --> 00:38:06.440
going on?72900:38:06.679 --> 00:38:11.400
And the fact that they keep calling it a catastrophic malfunction. Yeah,73000:38:11.559 --> 00:38:17.039
also like really raises alarm bells because if it was like,73100:38:18.719 --> 00:38:25.599
malfunction versus accident are two very different things. And I, yeah,73200:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.280
just calling it a malfunction, I I throughout the whole thing.73300:38:28.320 --> 00:38:33.000
I was like, well, malfunction means that something was supposed73400:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.239
to go a certain way and it didn't.73500:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.760
Well, you also have to look at it this way.73600:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.039
Calling it a malfunction is a way of stating that73700:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.800
they did not find human error or malice or human malice.73800:38:45.880 --> 00:38:46.800
Oh, exactly.73900:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.719
So if you think about it, if you die in74000:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.000
a haunt, since the function of the haunt was not74100:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.519
to kill you, that is a malfunction a very broad74200:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.400
definition of function though.74300:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.360
No, yeah, but I mean, like call that a malfunction.74400:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.360
If you get if you die on a set of stairs, malfunction,74500:39:07.480 --> 00:39:11.000
if the stairs somehow killed you, then my definition is74600:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.480
a mau function. Yes, So what I mean is to74700:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.440
say that, like that they basically chose the most vague74800:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.960
answer to the problem they could because they had no74900:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.800
further answers. So well, it's a malfunction because like people75000:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.119
got hurt trying to get out and stuff, and they75100:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.079
weren't meant to not be able to get out, and75200:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.000
they weren't meant to trample each other to get out.75300:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.920
So it was a malfunction of the of the the75400:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.480
event or whatever, the haunt the attraction exactly. So. But75500:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.760
when we come back, we're going to talk more about75600:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.760
these weird fugue states they seem to be under and75700:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.639
how uh, Opening Night, which is coming right up, gets75800:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.400
pretty tense right.75900:39:50.239 --> 00:40:09.199
After this, as if sleepwalking friends is not enough. Once76000:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.719
Sarah finally starts to be sleeping throughout the night, then76100:40:15.440 --> 00:40:22.599
they start hearing like disembodied screams and voices. And when76200:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.000
they like they're they're hearing these they're all sleeping like76300:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.519
up top. It's a hotel, so like the rooms are76400:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.599
like way on the top floor, and then there's the basement,76500:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.159
like the cellar area or whatever, and they're hearing the76600:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.159
noises come from the cellar and they've already started to76700:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.360
set up the basement for the haunt. And they go76800:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.679
and you know, they go down there with the camera76900:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.039
because of course you go down there with the camera.77000:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.559
Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean you're you're capturing them setting77100:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.679
everything up quickly and and and they're and they're also77200:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.239
like doing tech. You know, they're checking on what's working,77300:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.639
what's not. Because I think you're leading into one of77400:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.719
the big problems, which was that they were annoyed because77500:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.920
they got these mannequins that are dressed up and they're77600:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.840
not posable in quite the way they wanted, yea.77700:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.239
If I remember in correctly, Yeah, Like they wanted the77800:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.960
ones that you could like pretty much put in any position,77900:41:09.000 --> 00:41:09.719
but these are.78000:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.599
Just like ones armiturized around.78100:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.920
Yeah, so they were kind of upset about that, and78200:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.719
they're also realizing that there are a lot of blind78300:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.119
spots in the security cameras too.78400:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.320
Oh yeah, And for those who are like huh, security78500:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.760
cameras are a major element of haunts because they need78600:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.000
to know, they need to have in a central space78700:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.159
how everything's going, where the guests are, to let the78800:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.199
haunt actors know when to scare them, when to hide,78900:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.719
when to jump out there. It's a whole system. So79000:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.000
you have to have as much coverage with cameras as79100:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.159
you can at the very least, so people can know79200:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.920
like high behind the door, like they're coming right up,79300:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.639
or you know, say go ahead and stay out there79400:41:53.639 --> 00:41:54.519
already almost.79500:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.119
To you or exactly exactly. So as as that's part79600:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.639
of the reason that they are filming them is they're79700:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.079
also recording like, oh, this is an area where we're79800:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.960
supposed to have cameras, but it's not working. And as79900:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.199
he's filming, he realizes these stupid clowns that they were80000:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.320
so upset about are all have all been moved to80100:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.679
like a totally different corner.80200:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.719
Clown mannequins, clown mannikins.80300:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.079
So he gets really upset because they like they've they've80400:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.199
only got like a week left, and somebody's fucking around80500:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.800
and like moving these clown mannikins. So he puts them back,80600:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.639
and as he goes to talk to other characters, we80700:42:33.719 --> 00:42:38.199
the viewers realize the mannequins have moved back to where80800:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.239
they were, yes, and they nobody else notices it until80900:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.679
they're done talking and yelling at each other about moving81000:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.079
these stupid mannequins and then turn and look and realize81100:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.239
they're back. And that's pretty freaky, Yeah, But it gets81200:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.920
worse because as they're freaking out and yelling at each other,81300:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.760
one of the new hires is just kind of like81400:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.280
standing off in the corner and they start yelling at him, like, look,81500:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.159
you need to start working if you're going to be81600:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.800
down here, start working, and he doesn't do anything, so81700:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.920
they walk off, and then they see him standing in81800:43:15.960 --> 00:43:22.960
another room and freak out because he was just downstairs. Yeah,81900:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.039
and he would have had to like walk past them,82000:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.199
past them in the stairway to get up to this82100:43:28.280 --> 00:43:29.280
other room.82200:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.079
Well, it's worth mentioning during that sequence, he's not just82300:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.639
standing there. He's like standing there looking like he's trying82400:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.360
to scare him, like trying to be creepy because he's82500:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.599
that's his gig. And the scene before we had just82600:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.639
met that guy, yeah, and he was like the most chill,82700:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.119
goofy dude who's just like, oh, it'll be cool doing82800:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.639
Haunt And then he's standing in his costume mm hmmm,82900:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.079
and he's like doing his scary stance is like the83000:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.119
Haunt stands and everything, and you know, it's like, dude, like,83100:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.159
give it, give it a break, like we're busy, Like83200:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.679
I like I got have to do. I'm just trying83300:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.400
to make sure everything's working. And yeah, sure enough, when83400:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.280
he goes back over, he sees him there and he's like,83500:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.880
how did you get over here? And he doesn't have83600:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.480
his mask on or anything. Yeah, you know, he's like,83700:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.400
how did you get over here? He's like I've been83800:44:11.559 --> 00:44:15.679
sitting here. Yeah. And that's a great, low impact way83900:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.960
to creep the audience out.84000:44:17.440 --> 00:44:18.199
It really is.84100:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.519
It's a solid way to make you go oh yeah,84200:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.599
because like that dude was standing there superimposing. But if84300:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.760
it was somebody you knew, even if you just met84400:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.880
him that day you hired him to work at a Haunt,84500:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.079
so you'd just be like, yeah, yeah, I know it's84600:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.000
fun and stuff, but like not right now, dude. When84700:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.960
he's standing there going like yeah, you'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah,84800:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.159
but get it later. It's fun, but like not right now,84900:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.960
but the moment you realize, like then, who the hell85000:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.320
is down there? And that's like such a great classic85100:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.639
spooky trope as just if you're here, then that's actually85200:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.440
like I feel like I got that the most from85300:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.840
like Looney Tunes. Wait, if you're up here, then then85400:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.239
who am I holding him? Or whatever? Yeah? It actually yeah,85500:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.519
it's more Scooby Doo. Yeah, but I always love those85600:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.079
gags and they're so simple, but they're very effective.85700:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.480
They really are. And that's what I like. You mentioned85800:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.599
paranormal activity and a lot of the scares in Hell85900:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.159
House LLC are similar in that they follow the less86000:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.119
is more formula, So it's you know, the camera is86100:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.920
trained on the characters and then you notice that something86200:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.400
in the background has moved or you know someone is86300:45:26.440 --> 00:45:31.760
there and suddenly they're not the real simple like it86400:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.320
deeply psychologically unsettling things. Yeah, and and that you know86500:45:37.400 --> 00:45:41.599
that that sequence with the clowns, the clown mannequins especially86600:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.039
got me thinking about like some of you are shorts.86700:45:44.360 --> 00:45:50.559
Oh yeah, because you've relied on similar techniques before.86800:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.320
Yeah, I mean a bit. I mean with with Scary Clown,86900:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.360
which is short on YouTube that I directed a while back,87000:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.920
which was a really cool Halloween show, the clown you87100:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.880
wear the clown. The clown was just sitting standing in87200:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.920
the front yard and wasn't It wasn't so much pretending87300:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.320
to be a statue as people were assuming it was87400:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.639
a statue. Yeah, I feel like it was more of that,87500:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.440
because you know, it was just standing there. Because the87600:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.280
big gag was that after the trick or treaiors run87700:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.480
off and you see all these decorations and including the87800:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.400
clown standing and then the clowns had just turns and87900:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.360
you're like, oh, that's person, not a clown. But with88000:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.880
Christmas presence, which is the other one you were talking about, Yeah,88100:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.679
a Christmas horror film. That one. I took the old88200:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.800
urban legend of the clown statue right and turned it88300:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.880
into the Santa statue because I've always loved that. And88400:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.000
for those who don't know the old clown statue story,88500:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.280
it's really as simple as this babysitters at a house.88600:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.840
They have all these there. The person owns the house88700:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.159
is kind of eccentric, so they have like odd decorations88800:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.039
of some sort, depending on the version you hear, and88900:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.639
one of the things that they have a clown statue.89000:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.480
And then the big joke is like the baby starts89100:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.000
hanging out with the clown statue, scare them, you know,89200:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.599
startles them a few times, and then the phone rings89300:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.199
and they pick it up and it's the parents of89400:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.159
the kid that she's babysitting, and they're like, you know,89500:47:08.199 --> 00:47:09.639
how's it going over there? And they're like, oh, honestly,89600:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.400
it's not too bad. You know, your kid's been great.89700:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.920
They've been asleep for like two hours, already, had had89800:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.400
some you know, ate some chips and and drank some89900:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.639
soda like you told me I could, And honestly, like,90000:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.239
the only thing that's been weird is just that that90100:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.000
clown statue and the den is just so creepy, but90200:47:24.079 --> 00:47:25.719
like I know it's because I'm here alone, and like90300:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.480
the lights are off in there. And then the big90400:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.800
shock is when there's a long pause on the phone90500:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.239
and they go what clown statue? And in some versions90600:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.599
that's not that's the end, but not the full ending.90700:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.639
In some versions, it's just that that's never resolved, Like,90800:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.719
you know, they don't then get attacked by the clown90900:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.400
or whatever. They like go back in the room and91000:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.199
it's not there anymore, and that's the end of it.91100:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.519
It's just, well, what the hell was the clown statue then?91200:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.079
And then other versions it attacks you or whatever. And91300:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.119
we did the same kind of concept, but it was91400:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.000
that this family had this insane Christmas decoration, this room91500:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.519
full of Christmas decorations, and after you see that, to91600:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.920
the room off from all the Christmas decorations is just91700:48:03.960 --> 00:48:09.880
this very creepy almost Michael Meyer's Santa Claus. And that's91800:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.000
the big gag, is like it keeps creeping her out.91900:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.800
She starts seeing it out of the corner of her92000:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.400
eye because she's like all creeped out. And then the92100:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.840
parents call and you know what, you know, just creeped92200:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.679
out by the Santa statue. What Santa statue? Because the decorations,92300:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.800
see before, there's no statues, there's no full size things.92400:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.800
It's just like miniatures.92500:48:28.000 --> 00:48:28.360
Yeah.92600:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.000
Yeah, so you know, similar gag, except we had ours92700:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.840
end with the Santa throwing his red bag over top92800:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.519
of hers. She's she's trying to call the police and92900:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.519
then she gets scrapped by it. But yeah, that so93000:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.320
I mean ideas like having things move when you're not looking,93100:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.480
or thinking something's a statue when it's not. The the93200:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.320
not really a statue thing is just a generally a93300:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.320
very strong trope of Halloween for the last twenty years. Yeah,93400:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.639
the most popular decoration to scare people trigger treats at93500:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.960
your house is to have somebody pretend to be a statue.93600:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.039
And it's pretty easy once you're covered enough costume. So93700:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.320
I really want to do that. I did it one93800:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.800
year and I scared some kids so bad, and their93900:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.039
parents would like set them up for the scares too.94000:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.199
They were totally complicit it. It was really awesome. But94100:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.079
we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll talk94200:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.719
about the things that are far scarier than statues and94300:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.360
maybe some more freaky statues.94400:49:23.880 --> 00:49:38.760
Right after this, things are escalating.94500:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.079
Yes, very well said.94600:49:42.639 --> 00:49:49.519
And now things are unmistakably dangerous for the crew. But94700:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.920
Alex is still playing it off like, oh, well, you know,94800:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.400
I don't care about the figure that you saw in94900:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.639
the basement that you couldn't explain that guy's just a95000:49:59.679 --> 00:50:10.079
prank stir. Okay, fine, it's fine, it'll be fine. But uh,95100:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.159
it's not fine because there's only three days left until95200:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.119
the big day. Everybody's stressed out. Nobody's like sleeping anymore.95300:50:21.199 --> 00:50:27.559
They're all working all the time. And Alex doesn't think95400:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.599
there's anything wrong.95500:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.840
No, even though, have we even talked about the weird95600:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.360
things that are happening upstairs when the camera guys trying95700:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.000
to sleep.95800:50:35.320 --> 00:50:40.000
We have, we've mentioned. All we've mentioned is that he95900:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.039
saw Sarah that that one time, but we haven't mentioned that.96000:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.239
Uh.96100:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.320
Yeah, he's still recording those blogs and creepy things are96200:50:48.360 --> 00:50:54.280
still happening during them, like, uh, just creepy ghost lady96300:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.079
shows up while he's uh talking. And I love that96400:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.079
sequence because it took me back to being a kid.96500:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.039
Oh yeah, when you're scared and it's like the only96600:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.239
thing you have to comfort yourself as a blanket.96700:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.760
Yeah. At one point, he literally hides under the covers96800:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.559
because he's so taken, he's so startled by something creepy96900:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.239
while he's in bed. And so that's some of the97000:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.199
most effective like what I would call traditional found footage97100:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.360
scares in the film are are those sequences because what97200:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.719
happens is when he's filming his little vlogs, not blogs,97300:51:28.320 --> 00:51:33.119
vlogs when there's video Mari, but when he's filming those,97400:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.679
often the doorway behind him is open, which makes sense.97500:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.719
It's an old place. It's probably stuffy as hell. You'd97600:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.480
want your doors open. It's not like it's a hotel97700:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.880
full of strangers. It's all your friends. And then whatever97800:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.000
evil menace is also there. So we get that moment.97900:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.840
We get these moments where we're like looking at the98000:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.960
door and sometimes nothing ever comes, and sometimes things come,98100:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.719
and sometimes they come immediately, and it is very scary.98200:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.800
And one of the times that there's just this like98300:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.400
ghost woman there, like that was really freaky to me.98400:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.360
I mean, it's just there right in front of him. Yeah,98500:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.039
you know, like that stuff really got to me. Man.98600:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.239
I agree, And I think the reason that it got98700:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.559
to me even more is because overall Paul's a generally98800:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.199
level headed guy, yeah, throughout the day, So it it98900:52:25.239 --> 00:52:29.800
gets even more unsettling when you think, like, oh, this99000:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.760
guy is generally unflappable and it's getting to him. Yeah,99100:52:33.800 --> 00:52:38.480
this bad which how Sarah doing because she's not doing99200:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.599
great either. She's back to sleep walking again, and this99300:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.360
time she's making it down to the basement and talking99400:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.119
in weird languages.99500:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.599
And while that's happening, we're also getting bits and pieces99600:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.480
of her interview with the documentary crew because it's still99700:52:59.480 --> 00:53:05.960
a document yeah, and we're basically seeing them react to99800:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.559
the footage because she's she hands them the footage and99900:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.440
then they keep talking to her as we see the100000:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.320
footage being shown. So like, while they're talking to her,100100:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.000
only the editor you would assume, has watched the footage100200:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.280
because he's the one editing it into the movie that100300:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.960
you're watching, of sorts sort of. I mean, it's it's100400:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.280
a little, like I said, they play a little fast100500:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.719
and loose with it. But I think that just it's100600:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.320
it's fun enough that it works. Yeah, I don't care,100700:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.519
you know that it's a little silly. But so they're100800:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.920
asking her questions, and you know, for the most part,100900:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.760
her answers are either kind of poetically tragic given what101000:53:36.840 --> 00:53:41.440
all happened, very believable. You know. Well we always got along,101100:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.079
you know, or I always believed in the stuff he101200:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.840
was doing. I always loved working on the Haunts and101300:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.880
stuff with him, and then it slowly becomes like what101400:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.840
about this, I don't know? I just I don't know,101500:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.400
And that stuff makes it even creepier that it's like,101600:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.360
what do you mean you don't know? It's like I101700:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.519
don't know. So that ends up playing into some of101800:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.880
the better tension and suspense a little bit later on101900:54:05.159 --> 00:54:11.800
m But sorry Rachel Anderton, so but uh ya, yay,102000:54:11.920 --> 00:54:16.239
but no, but it's it's yeah, it's pretty it's pretty effective.102100:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.400
But yeah, his his vlogging upstairs at night is pretty solid.102200:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.920
I mean, here's weird noises and he's always checking things102300:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.039
out and then but eventually it's just straight up like102400:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.760
some kind of ghostly thing is after him.102500:54:29.960 --> 00:54:35.159
Yeah, it's clearly like tormenting him. Yeah, And and again102600:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.239
that's why it's upsetting is because this is this is102700:54:38.280 --> 00:54:43.559
one of the guys that you know, Alex is sympathetic,102800:54:43.639 --> 00:54:49.679
but he's like really, really, really so obsessed with his business,102900:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.880
which he's gotta be. Yeah, so like there's a there's103000:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.719
a little bit there where you're like, oh, I can103100:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.920
kind of see how like Alex is so focused on103200:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.440
this that he can't see what's going on, and like103300:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.719
Sarah she's deteriorating so rapidly, like she can't see what's103400:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.440
going on. But but Paul is pretty level headed, and103500:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.480
he's one of those people again holding the camera. He's103600:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.760
kind of like the insert for the audience. So feeling103700:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.039
like he's being targeted really made me feel like, oh,103800:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.280
now the ghost he's coming after me too like that,103900:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.800
which and obviously is what they want you to do.104000:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.480
But yeah, but and and the idea that whatever is104100:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.960
happening is coming for you is one of found footage's104200:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.599
greatest strengths is that you become the filmmaker, and the104300:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.039
filmmaker is oftentimes not always, but oftentimes the victim, yeah,104400:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.239
or if they're not the victim to the perpetrator. And104500:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.079
then it's making that's even worse in a way because104600:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.880
it's making you complicit, which is kind of scarier in104700:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.760
a lot of ways. But complicity doesn't even begin to104800:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.519
cover what we're going to talk about. When we get back.104900:56:12.800 --> 00:56:18.760
Poor Paul hiding under the blankets from this creepy, creepy105000:56:19.239 --> 00:56:24.320
ghostly lady and you know, because he because he had105100:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.239
been recording himself for the vlog, so he had set105200:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.119
the camera down. We see him pull the blankets over105300:56:31.400 --> 00:56:31.880
his head.105400:56:32.199 --> 00:56:32.920
Yeah, and.105500:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.920
He like he disappears, and the camera's still there, the camera,105600:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.400
because again this is a lot about the camera recording105700:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.719
things that the people in the movie can't see. The105800:56:46.760 --> 00:56:51.159
camera is still there, still filming. Everyone runs in because105900:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.800
they've heard the commotion. They try to find Paul. They're106000:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.800
running around looking for him, and they try to call106100:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.960
his phone, and all they can hear is like a creepy,106200:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.360
disembodied scream.106300:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.400
If that Yeah, sometimes he just got nothing. Yeah, yeah, No,106400:57:08.440 --> 00:57:09.599
it's very unnerving.106500:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.800
And then when they finally do find him, he's like106600:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.559
almost on responsive. He's not comatose, but he's like.106700:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.280
In it was just a fugue. Yeah, he's in like106800:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.719
a fugue state. And they find him in the basement. Yeah,106900:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.320
after not seeing him for a day or two. Yeah,107000:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.800
which is a lot when you're like less than a107100:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.000
week from opening him being gone for a day or107200:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.320
two is a lot of very long time.107300:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.599
But see, they they kind of play it off too,107400:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.280
because Paul, even though he is rational, he's also one107500:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.599
of those people that once he gets his hackles up,107600:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.199
he has to cool down or he will explode. And107700:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.639
he everyone knows this about him. All his friends know.107800:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.599
So he's one of those people that if he's going107900:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.920
to explode, he removes himself. And he's done this before,108000:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.320
like Bugs Out.108100:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.960
They mentioned that, like that, like at one of the108200:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.159
other haunts that open, he like fucked off for a108300:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.840
day or two near the open and then came back108400:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.679
and came through. But he also Alex also kind of says,108500:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.239
you know, this is just what he does. He's kind108600:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.719
of a flake, you know. Yeah. So yeah, but I108700:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.119
mean he literally was in the I mean, like how108800:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.679
they were looking for him this whole time and he108900:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.239
and then they find him in the basement, So I109000:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.840
guess they just think he like snuck.109100:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.119
In, yeah, you know without anyone noticing.109200:58:24.760 --> 00:58:26.559
Which maybe, I mean you could probably do that, but109300:58:26.679 --> 00:58:30.360
why then just sit there, barely reactive in the basement109400:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.599
and then when they find you still kind of be109500:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.920
barely there. It's yeah, it doesn't make a lot of109600:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.239
sense from a not in a story sense, it's awesome.109700:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.679
Yeah yeah, but a logical sense. Yeah yeah, and for109800:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.840
me because I know I've mentioned it in you know,109900:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.119
in other movies, like you kind of have to ask110000:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.000
in a horror movie, like when do you if you110100:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.320
were in this situation, when would you nope out? Yeah,110200:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.599
And a lot of the team were on the same110300:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.960
page as me, because like, if I saw my friend110400:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.559
come back like that, I would not be okay. I110500:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.119
would say we need to stop. I would think there's110600:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.599
black mold and we are all going insane or something.110700:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.280
And everyone else is on the same page. They're all like,110800:59:16.360 --> 00:59:21.400
we need to stop. But Alex, again, this is his livelihood,110900:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.920
this is his business. His whole life is tied up111000:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.119
in this. And while he's sitting there and like arguing,111100:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.519
we do eventually find out that a lot of the111200:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.000
crew do feel like beholden to him, like they can't leave.111300:59:37.440 --> 00:59:42.079
They're loyal to him, and you know, they're loyal to111400:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.000
hell House and they're loyal to this industry, and you111500:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.960
kind of get a feeling like if they back out111600:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.639
on him, it's going to reflect poorly on them for111700:59:51.679 --> 00:59:57.119
a very long time. Yeah, so it's like, you can't,111800:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.159
you can't just peace out like Paul just did.111901:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.039
Yeah, No, that's that's really a very fair point.112001:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.360
So but but yeah, that's for me personally. I would112101:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.360
have been like, I'm sorry, Alex, I've got to go.112201:00:12.519 --> 01:00:20.840
But they don't. So now we're getting even closer to112301:00:21.519 --> 01:00:26.119
opening night, and everyone says you should stop. Alex says,112401:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.760
the show must go on.112501:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.360
And this is does I mean, it's it's his show.112601:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.719
It's his show. The ringleader calls the shots.112701:00:34.880 --> 01:00:35.079
Yep.112801:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.519
So now this is I thought this was great because112901:00:38.559 --> 01:00:44.039
we start getting basically like two or three different viewpoints.113001:00:44.119 --> 01:00:49.039
We get the cruise camera of behind the scene footage,113101:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.920
we get the security footage of what's going on during113201:00:53.920 --> 01:00:56.599
the Haunt, and then we get the footage from all113301:00:56.639 --> 01:01:00.639
the different hauntgoers right that were there, and it's you know,113401:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.599
we kind of jump between different views. And the actress113501:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.079
is down in the basement. She's chained up. The Haunt113601:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.760
actor that's supposed to be down there with her, and113701:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.320
and like the whole plan was he's down there really113801:01:15.400 --> 01:01:16.360
to keep her safe.113901:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.519
Yeah, well, just to make sure like nobody creeps on114001:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.719
her or just violates her personal.114101:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.480
Space exactly so, but he's there to scare.114201:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.679
People well, and I think also because she, like everybody, now,114301:01:30.039 --> 01:01:31.880
none of them really want to be alone in that114401:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.239
house or in that well house. It's more of a hotel,114501:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.760
but nobody wants to be alone there because they've all114601:01:36.760 --> 01:01:37.800
seen some creepy.114701:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.679
Stuff, and most importantly, for some reason, for authenticity's sake,114801:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.599
they decide that this actress should actually be chained to114901:01:48.679 --> 01:01:54.159
the wall. Yeah, and so Joey is the only person115001:01:54.280 --> 01:01:59.639
with a key, because that's smart, that's really smart. And115101:01:59.679 --> 01:02:05.039
this is this is where you start to realize that115201:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.199
I'm I'm the more I think about it, You're right,115301:02:08.280 --> 01:02:14.440
this is a malfunction because the tragedy that transpires with115401:02:14.519 --> 01:02:19.039
the Haunt actors is one thing. But the pandemonium that115501:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.840
resulted in you know, fifteen other people dying could have115601:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.960
been prevented if they had better walkie talkies, or if115701:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.800
they could have been able to see all of the115801:02:32.039 --> 01:02:33.440
guests like they were supposed to.115901:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.480
But that's stuff. Seemed to be ghost issues. The walkie116001:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.320
talkies did not seem cheap. In fact, that was the116101:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.519
thing that was pissing Alex off. But it also feeds116201:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.360
perfectly into the story. Its people like these cheap walkie toyses.116301:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.280
They're not cheap, and they've always worked. Yeah, why would116401:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.320
they not work now? So you're right, But it also116501:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.239
makes sense why that then they would just doubt him116601:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.960
because he's cutting corners or and demanding that they not116701:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.920
let go. So they're like, well, then I'm not going116801:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.480
to believe that these the walkie talkies are fine. But116901:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.960
there are bigger problems than cameras and walkie talkies, and117001:03:04.000 --> 01:03:05.920
we'll get to them right after this.117101:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.519
So the haunts open.117201:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.880
Yes it is, and it is packed, like jam packed.117301:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.000
And and remember these are people now driving an hour117401:03:27.039 --> 01:03:28.840
out of New York City is not the biggest deal117501:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.360
in the world. And they're also already highly populated places117601:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.519
outside New York City that people live there already. So117701:03:36.119 --> 01:03:37.920
being west which you have to be Western New York117801:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.480
because I you're Eastern New York, you're in the ocean.117901:03:40.800 --> 01:03:46.239
I would love to see that haunted house Poseidon's doom.118001:03:46.599 --> 01:03:47.599
I am terrified.118101:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.159
Good good. You should have seen Odyssey then, because Poseidon118201:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.719
is kind of the reason everything bad happens. I read118301:03:54.760 --> 01:03:58.840
a poem. They're just punk but no, uh no, so118401:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.159
but so if you think, but like people in Westchester,118501:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.840
in places like that, they are already out of the118601:04:03.840 --> 01:04:05.400
city and then they just have to drive an hour118701:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.280
and easy drive into the country, right, So I could118801:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.039
totally see them being able to get quite a few118901:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.119
people to come out there and then of course, you know,119001:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.559
the goal is that then word of mouth would cause119101:04:16.599 --> 01:04:18.800
even more people to come and then hopefully people from119201:04:18.800 --> 01:04:22.280
that Adirondack kind of area would kind of flood in119301:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.519
as well. And you know, so yeah, my point is119401:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.360
just that, like I remember being so like whoa the119501:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.440
first time watch it, because I was like, damn, okay.119601:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.079
So they're they're like they're legit, like they they can119701:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.280
pack a haunted house, like people are into what they're doing,119801:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.960
and they're throwing a big, big shin dig of sorts exactly.119901:04:40.119 --> 01:04:45.480
No, and it's it's clear that not only do they120001:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.519
have a lot of fans, because you can see like120101:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.400
through the footage that some of the people like are120201:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.559
talking like, oh I wonder what's happening like this year,120301:04:54.639 --> 01:04:56.360
Like clearly they've been following.120401:04:56.599 --> 01:04:56.800
Yeah.120501:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.280
Yeah, but it also shows like he is good at marketing,120601:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.679
he's good at pulling people in, he's good at getting120701:05:04.719 --> 01:05:05.559
a crowd.120801:05:05.360 --> 01:05:08.039
Well and imagine, I mean just take take put yourself120901:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.519
in the mind of the fan of that, and you know,121001:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.679
we're in the midst of of the Internet age at121101:05:12.679 --> 01:05:14.599
that point, you know, so like people could follow them121201:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.039
on Facebook or Twitter or whatever at that point. Imagine121301:05:18.079 --> 01:05:19.960
you go to a haunt you live in in New121401:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.400
York City and you go to a haunt super super good, right, yeah,121501:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.679
you know, oh man, that was awesome, and it's like, well, unfortunately,121601:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.960
you know, after whatever many years we've done it here,121701:05:27.559 --> 01:05:29.920
we're closing down and we're moving to a new location,121801:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.400
which is an actual haunted hotel on the outskirts of121901:05:34.440 --> 01:05:35.400
New York Good.122001:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.880
No, yeah, like my brain would explode.122101:05:38.599 --> 01:05:40.480
Yeah, it would. It would be a lot easier to122201:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.280
get quite a few of those people to drive out122301:05:43.320 --> 01:05:47.599
for that. Yeah. So that's that's also clever marketing to122401:05:47.960 --> 01:05:52.880
And meanwhile, everything about that would be infinitely cheaper. Yeah,122501:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.000
and I bet you that that that that hotel is122601:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.960
way bigger than whatever they were using in New York too,122701:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.320
because everything is per square foot, everything's expensive as hell.122801:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.199
So it's it's actually really clever because when yeah, when122901:06:03.199 --> 01:06:04.480
you think of it that way, it's like that would123001:06:04.519 --> 01:06:06.400
be the scuttle But the scuttle butt would be they're123101:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.000
opening a new place at a supposedly actually haunted place123201:06:10.039 --> 01:06:13.079
in this like nowhere town outside of the city. We123301:06:13.159 --> 01:06:16.039
gotta go, man, each weekend or you off work, you know.123401:06:16.119 --> 01:06:18.440
Exactly, like I'm taking my time off right now.123501:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.280
Yeah, yeah, I'm calling my boss right now and tell123601:06:20.280 --> 01:06:23.840
them I hate him. So it's it's it's a solid123701:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.280
but yeah, there's something to me that was really awesome123801:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.719
about seeing that crowd. Unfortunately, then awesome and then you remember,123901:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.519
oh right, it's about to go really really bad.124001:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.760
I know how this story ends, yeah.124101:06:35.599 --> 01:06:36.760
Because it was at the beginning.124201:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.039
Oh no, uh oh oh no.124301:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.079
So yeah, yeah, so they're getting ready to start up124401:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.840
the haunt. They've got everything kind of set up. They're124501:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.159
still having walkie talkie issues they're having most of the time.124601:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.599
The cameras seem to be fine, which makes sense because124701:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.199
they would the walkie talkies they put up with, but124801:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.519
they'd never put up with the cameras not working, yeah,124901:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.280
because it would just make it impossible to scare, to125001:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.559
do the scares. It's also a pretty gory haunted house.125101:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.000
Like a lot of the stuff was pretty nasty, Like125201:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.639
the dining area of the hotel. They put like plates125301:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.639
with like you know, plastic human body parts and stuff125401:07:11.679 --> 01:07:13.159
on it. Stuff. So I mean it's it's more of125501:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.079
an adult haunt than a kid haunt, you know, or125601:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.239
a family haunt would probably a better way to put it.125701:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.920
So it's yeah, it's it's it's a huge, huge event,125801:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.920
and it looks like all of their hard work and125901:07:28.119 --> 01:07:33.280
effort and sticktuitiveness is going to pay off, which would126001:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.000
be nice after everything they've been through and the creepy126101:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.039
things they've seen and the creepy things they've experienced, and126201:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.159
you know, people going into fugue states and people disappearing126301:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.760
and then reappearing and then speaking yeah yeah, or speaking126401:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.199
barely at all, which is I don't know which is worse.126501:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.760
So you know, it's it's looking like they're they're pulling126601:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.960
it together. And this is the reason I love that126701:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.519
reveal where everybody shows up is because normally when you126801:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.599
tell a story like this, not a whole but a126901:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.679
story about like people banding together and making a business127001:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.719
and trying to do this stuff and there's adversity and problems,127101:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.280
but the guy who had the vision for it really127201:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.840
sticks to it and that makes it all come together,127301:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.199
and then you see the fruits of that, like, oh man,127401:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.800
people actually showed up. Usually that is the big win127501:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.840
of the story. It's like, oh my gosh, this is127601:08:20.880 --> 01:08:29.159
a story about spirit wrong word gumption and hard work.127701:08:29.640 --> 01:08:34.119
Moxie's a great word for it, you know, coming to terms.127801:08:34.359 --> 01:08:39.119
But instead, as we already know, it is going to127901:08:39.239 --> 01:08:45.720
be the downfall, the entire downfall. Yeah, is that on128001:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.279
top of everything, so many people showing up is the128101:08:48.319 --> 01:08:52.640
worst thing that could possibly happen. And we'll talk all128201:08:52.680 --> 01:09:08.039
about how bad it is right after this. I want128301:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.560
to mention real quick, when we were talking earlier about128401:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.640
mannequins moving and you know, kind of what's creepier a128501:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.760
mannequin moving or a mannequin only moving when you're not128601:09:18.880 --> 01:09:23.000
looking kind of deal. It's kind of like this big128701:09:23.039 --> 01:09:24.920
reveal that like all these people show up and they128801:09:24.920 --> 01:09:26.800
realize like, oh man, we're going to be a success.128901:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.000
But we already know because of the whole purpose of129001:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.359
the mockumentary that it goes horribly.129101:09:33.960 --> 01:09:34.800
Yeah.129201:09:34.920 --> 01:09:41.159
That is literally Hitchcock's description of of suspense perfectly.129301:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.279
Oh it is so for.129401:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.439
Those who don't remember, and for possibly Rachel who may129501:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.800
be pretending she remembers. No, but Hitchcock always said that129601:09:51.439 --> 01:09:55.039
when you in a film, when you have somebody walk129701:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.039
into a restaurant and ignite a bomb and the restaurant129801:09:59.079 --> 01:10:03.640
blows up, you have scared the audience for four seconds.129901:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.399
But when you have somebody come into the restaurant and130001:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.479
sit down and then you show the bomb in the130101:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.960
bag by their legs, and then they have lunch with130201:10:13.039 --> 01:10:17.079
someone and have a conversation and you see that ticking130301:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.039
clock on it, you have them in utter horror for130401:10:20.199 --> 01:10:25.880
two minutes. And that's suspense. When people know something is130501:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.720
about to happen, then they're waiting for it. It's better suspense.130601:10:30.119 --> 01:10:37.279
Similarly with like seeing the the the whatever, the mannekin move, yeah,130701:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.680
versus not seeing it move. It's all about the audience.130801:10:40.720 --> 01:10:44.119
If the audience saw it move or realized it was130901:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.279
not in place. And we're unlike the character, we're positive131001:10:47.279 --> 01:10:49.800
that it wasn't there before. We're the ones in fear131101:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.359
because we're the ones who know, like they're something's not right. Yeah.131201:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.439
But with this it's very similar. So you immediately find131301:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.159
yourself tense because as they're they're having this And I131401:11:00.399 --> 01:11:03.000
really do think in hindsight that it is like that131501:11:03.159 --> 01:11:05.760
victory of like, oh man, all of this is paying off.131601:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.000
All these people showed up. They're freaking amped for what131701:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.399
we're doing. And literally the opening of the movie was131801:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.479
and so many people were there and when trying to131901:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.800
stay they were trampled and there was the horrible thing132001:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.640
and it was deemed a malfunction.132101:11:21.359 --> 01:11:21.560
You know.132201:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.960
That's that's something. So I just wanted to mention that132301:11:25.039 --> 01:11:27.760
I think that's such a great way to go. And132401:11:27.800 --> 01:11:29.720
it's one of the reasons why that kind of cold132501:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.760
open I forget the Latin term for it, that like132601:11:31.840 --> 01:11:36.520
open express something like that medius immedius rests or something. Yeah,132701:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.159
the idea of seeing a scene earlier. Although this isn't132801:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.520
literally this is literally a cold open because when you132901:11:41.560 --> 01:11:44.000
do immedius rest, it's literally showing you a segment from133001:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.279
a scene. Yeah, and then for no apparent reason, you133101:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.119
see it and then you just at the beginning now, yes,133201:11:50.199 --> 01:11:52.359
so you're waiting to see that moment happen and what133301:11:52.479 --> 01:11:54.439
led to that moment, and then that moment does happen,133401:11:54.439 --> 01:11:57.359
as where this was actually presenting on purpose saying like133501:11:57.399 --> 01:11:59.720
this is what happened. Now we're going to show you133601:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.439
like what could have caused it. Yeah, So it's a133701:12:02.439 --> 01:12:05.520
little bit more purposeful to the story as opposed to133801:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.239
being more of a of a of a you know,133901:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.760
I don't know a design tool for the audience only,134001:12:11.880 --> 01:12:13.600
it feeds the story as well.134101:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.720
Absolutely so.134201:12:15.119 --> 01:12:16.880
But but because of that, Yeah, as soon as they're134301:12:16.880 --> 01:12:18.840
getting there, like okay, so for real, when is this134401:12:18.880 --> 01:12:22.359
gonna go really really bad? And we also they also134501:12:22.680 --> 01:12:26.560
don't give us entirely how it went really bad. We134601:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.760
get pieces here and there. We just know a lot134701:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.520
of people died and a lot of people got hurt,134801:12:33.399 --> 01:12:35.199
but they don't immediately say like, and then this is134901:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.399
why everybody did whatever. So we're also just waiting with135001:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.479
baited breath to find out, okay, so what what happened? Yeah,135101:12:41.520 --> 01:12:45.359
exactly that caused all of this, and other elements feed135201:12:45.399 --> 01:12:47.279
into it too. You know, when a character, any of135301:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.800
the characters, not just the whole team, going yay, we135401:12:49.880 --> 01:12:52.159
did it, we saved the rec center like in some135501:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.840
like eighties movie. It's not just that either. It's like135601:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.039
when a character you know, says a funny line or135701:12:59.079 --> 01:13:02.079
talks to like the Q actress girl and she's kind135801:13:02.079 --> 01:13:04.880
of like receptive to them. When you're hearing those things,135901:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.039
you awe, You're like, they're dead, they're all dead. They're136001:13:08.079 --> 01:13:10.199
all no, no, they're not just all dead. They're going136101:13:10.239 --> 01:13:12.359
to die and you're gonna see it and you're like,136201:13:12.479 --> 01:13:17.199
damn okays kicking dirt and walk it away. So that's136301:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.119
and that's that's kind of my point about why I136401:13:19.159 --> 01:13:21.319
really love I've talked about it way longer than I136501:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.079
should have, but like why I love the idea of136601:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.840
seeing that huge crowd ready to go and now they're136701:13:27.880 --> 01:13:29.199
they're they're letting people in.136801:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.560
Mm hmm. And you mentioned that this was like a136901:13:34.720 --> 01:13:41.520
pretty gory and adult haunt. Yeah, relatively relatively, So that137001:13:41.680 --> 01:13:46.399
makes it even more terrifying as an audience member because137101:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.840
that means that all the haunt goers are primed for137201:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.319
when things do start going wrong, they're not going to137301:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.520
suspect that it's actually going wrong.137401:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.840
Well, and they're told it's like the scariest haunt experience ever,137501:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.920
which is any good mark would tell you that.137601:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.279
That's what you should say. If you don't say that,137701:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.560
you're not doing your job as a haunt marketer.137801:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.119
Yeah, probably, And honestly, like we like, a lot of137901:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.439
the haunt doesn't even look that good, which I think138001:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.840
is kind of funny. I know that in the back138101:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.399
of your mind it's like, maybe this guy's better at138201:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.479
selling haunts than he is doing them. But then again,138301:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.319
he did make the most memorable haunt in the history138401:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.479
of the world. Because if that had really happened.138501:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.279
And no one would ever stop talking about it.138601:14:24.199 --> 01:14:28.159
Because remember, in the world of urban legends and folklore,138701:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.159
it's never happened, like like a bunch of people have138801:14:32.199 --> 01:14:33.760
never died at a haunt and then it had to138901:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.680
be shut down by the county. It's never happened, and139001:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.159
it's spread all over America as like a hush story.139101:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.279
So imagine how it would be everywhere if it actually happened.139201:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.479
Considering what it doesn't happen, everyone hears about it.139301:14:48.960 --> 01:14:50.159
We'd never shut up about it.139401:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.600
No, and it's during the Internet age, yeah, I mean,139501:14:52.640 --> 01:14:54.720
everybody would be posting about it. There'd at least be139601:14:54.760 --> 01:14:56.720
a few selfies where people would be like whoa like,139701:14:56.800 --> 01:14:59.279
didn't you know, lol, didn't realize this selfie was going139801:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.239
to be, you know, moments before the disaster at hashtag139901:15:03.279 --> 01:15:07.560
hell house, hashtag abadon hotel or whatever, you know, hashtag140001:15:07.600 --> 01:15:10.880
smiley face or whatever they do, hashtag god. That would140101:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.399
have been yolo time. Why do you have to bring140201:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.000
that up? Why'd you want to hurt everyone with that140301:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.079
kind of that kind of thing. It's a little bit140401:15:19.079 --> 01:15:22.600
it's a little bit harsh, but but as people are.140501:15:23.159 --> 01:15:24.920
The other thing is so now we've got this large140601:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.600
turnout in the place open and it's getting it's getting140701:15:28.640 --> 01:15:31.840
pretty out of control. Yeah, I mean, there's just so140801:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.720
many people and they're trying to get them through. And140901:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.319
we've been to haunts before. It is chaotic, it is.141001:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.560
And then some of the best haunters are the people who,141101:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.600
like when they're running the lines, they're very calm and141201:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.960
easy going. They're just kind of like, it'll be when141301:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.000
you can If you guys want you could be a141401:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.680
group of six, then you'll get in faster. But if141501:15:46.680 --> 01:15:48.479
you too want to go by yourselves, that's fine too.141601:15:49.039 --> 01:15:51.359
Like just know, you know, they're they're trying their best141701:15:51.359 --> 01:15:54.399
to not to not freak out because you know, people141801:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.119
and especially people get drunk, you know, and and and141901:15:58.199 --> 01:15:59.960
it gets to be a pain. But we have all142001:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.800
these people in there, and now as people are pushing142101:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.840
through the haunt and we're seeing everybody trying to like142201:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.359
keep the haunt going and do their groove and get142301:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.600
in their their flow, we head to the basement where142401:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.000
things go awry worse than you could ever imagine, and142501:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.399
we'll tell you all about it after this.142601:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.560
Let me ask you a question. No, oh okay, well142701:16:33.600 --> 01:16:43.399
that answer is that by everybody. So what's something if142801:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.840
you were at a haunt? What's something you just absolutely142901:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.359
would not want to see under any circumstances?143001:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.039
Scientology, literature?143101:16:54.600 --> 01:16:55.920
Oh yeah, that's a good one.143201:16:56.239 --> 01:17:00.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably that about.143301:17:00.279 --> 01:17:02.239
The Church of Latter day Saints.143401:17:03.119 --> 01:17:04.119
They're not going to be there.143501:17:04.479 --> 01:17:06.840
Oh yeah, not enough ice cream.143601:17:07.359 --> 01:17:11.119
That's funny. Yeah, but no, no, I mean what things143701:17:11.119 --> 01:17:12.439
I wouldn't want to see? I mean I wouldn't want143801:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.760
to see people actually get hurt. Yeah, I wouldn't want143901:17:15.800 --> 01:17:22.600
to Yeah, I mean see, the thing is I had, like,144001:17:23.319 --> 01:17:24.960
I think I know where you're going with this. But144101:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.079
the reason I can't go with you on that is144201:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.439
because if I saw you're talking about when the haunt144301:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.000
guy is like getting had to he's heading out of dodge. Yeah.144401:17:35.359 --> 01:17:37.640
The reason that that wouldn't freak me out is because144501:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.239
I just anything a haunt actor does, I'm going to144601:17:40.279 --> 01:17:42.159
assume is to scare me. So if they run out144701:17:42.199 --> 01:17:44.399
going like Jesus Christ, like they killed her for real144801:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.520
or something like that, I would just be like, right, sure,144901:17:48.039 --> 01:17:49.560
that's what I would do because he's a lot actor.145001:17:49.680 --> 01:17:51.840
But that's kind of proves my point though, is that's145101:17:51.880 --> 01:17:56.119
exactly what happens. Is the guy who's down there, he's145201:17:56.439 --> 01:17:58.760
the only person with the key to get out the145301:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.239
poor Haunt actor that's half naked and chained down in145401:18:03.279 --> 01:18:10.000
the basement. He runs books it at a dodge, screaming,145501:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.640
and all of the hauntgers like somebody's recording and they're like,145601:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.680
what's that and they start talking like I wonder what145701:18:17.760 --> 01:18:21.760
he's doing. And that's that's the beauty of well, the145801:18:21.800 --> 01:18:26.840
beauty and the horror of this situation is everybody's primed145901:18:27.479 --> 01:18:31.279
for this is entertainment, and so it's kind of like146001:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.720
the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf sort of thing. They146101:18:35.760 --> 01:18:41.039
don't realize that what's happening with the Haunt actress is146201:18:41.119 --> 01:18:42.600
really real until.146301:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.800
It's the guy running away.146401:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.840
But you so I didn't say why he was running.146501:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.720
So as they so this guy runs the opposite direction146601:18:52.800 --> 01:18:56.119
of the crowd. They're going down the stairs into the basement,146701:18:56.720 --> 01:19:00.880
and as they peek around the corner, the start hearing146801:19:00.920 --> 01:19:05.479
this bloody screaming coming from the haunt. Bloody screaming, Oh,146901:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.359
bloody scream screaming, bloody murder, screaming bloody murders.147001:19:08.359 --> 01:19:09.760
I know what you're getting to, what you're going for.147101:19:10.479 --> 01:19:10.920
I just want to.147201:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.399
Words are hard, Okay, I know.147301:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.279
I'm actually way better with words day than I thought.147401:19:16.600 --> 01:19:17.359
You took it from me.147501:19:17.560 --> 01:19:21.880
Yep, darn Tuton. Check the back of your mouth for holes.147601:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.239
I have the Burrows. I like that show on Netflix147701:19:25.239 --> 01:19:25.560
so far.147801:19:25.880 --> 01:19:29.760
But anyway, so they pick around the corner. They hear147901:19:29.840 --> 01:19:35.159
her screaming, and a hooded figure is like towering over148001:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.720
her and start stabbing her. And at first the crowd148101:19:39.840 --> 01:19:44.479
is like, ah, this is great, and then she like148201:19:44.600 --> 01:19:45.920
starts screaming, this is real.148301:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.560
Well, and when you mentioned people being primed, by the way,148401:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.600
do you remember scare Tactics on the Sci Fi Channel?148501:19:52.920 --> 01:19:55.479
It was like the ultimate horror prank show. They would148601:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.960
they would make They would do like movie level pranks,148701:19:59.359 --> 01:20:03.039
you know, like levitating ghosts and all this crazy stuff,148801:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.600
and they would film insert shots to make it look148901:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.359
more like a movie. But the reactions were legitimate, and149001:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.199
they did some really cool stuff with special effects and149101:20:12.640 --> 01:20:16.479
all these things. But I for for years had said,149201:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.399
like if I ever pulled a knife on someone and149301:20:18.439 --> 01:20:20.600
tried to like kill them, and was like stalking them149401:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.319
and chasing them down. I would literally if I got149501:20:23.319 --> 01:20:24.960
tired of chasing them, I would just when they were149601:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.479
like stuck behind a door or whatever, I'd be like,149701:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.920
are you scared? You shouldn't be, You're on scare tactics.149801:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.680
And when they opened up, oh, I just stab him149901:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.680
in the heart. I always thought for years, I was150001:20:33.680 --> 01:20:34.880
like I should put that in a movie, you know,150101:20:35.000 --> 01:20:36.960
or something like, because that would be the easiest way150201:20:36.960 --> 01:20:40.479
to get them. Once that became known, you're on scare tactics. Ah,150301:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.239
and then they just actually kill them. It's like, well150401:20:42.239 --> 01:20:43.720
that was easy. All I had to do was diffuse150501:20:43.760 --> 01:20:44.319
you completely.150601:20:45.199 --> 01:20:45.399
Man.150701:20:45.479 --> 01:20:49.760
You remember punk of course, I remember Punked. Everybody remembers Punked.150801:20:49.800 --> 01:20:52.560
PUNKD was way bigger than Scared really was. Punked was150901:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.520
everyone because they were constantly pranking celebrities. They only did151001:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.560
a few celebrities on scare Tactics, and they didn't take151101:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.760
it so good, some of them just saying I mean,151201:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.520
some people got real mad because they were scared really bad.151301:21:06.880 --> 01:21:11.840
But anyway, so this ghostly cultist murders Melissa the the151401:21:11.920 --> 01:21:15.600
haunt actress who's been chained for real in the basement,151501:21:15.640 --> 01:21:20.640
and now there's just a stampede of guests, and it151601:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.159
is it's not it's it's pretty brutal.151701:21:24.520 --> 01:21:27.800
I mean, I think mayhem is a good word for that.151801:21:28.039 --> 01:21:31.199
Yeah, And and and meanwhile, I mean, you know we151901:21:31.239 --> 01:21:34.319
had so Tony ends up dying trying to help Melissa,152001:21:34.880 --> 01:21:40.319
which doesn't you know, do any good. And then in152101:21:40.399 --> 01:21:43.920
the whole like crazy panic I think it was Mac152201:21:43.960 --> 01:21:47.560
and Sarah find each other. Yeah, and they end up152301:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.239
running away to try and get away from the chaos,152401:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.039
doing the thing where they went further into the place152501:21:54.079 --> 01:21:56.119
instead of out of it because it was the only152601:21:56.159 --> 01:21:57.359
way to get away. So they go up to like152701:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.399
the attic, I think, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, they go152801:22:00.439 --> 01:22:04.039
all the way up. But when they get there, they152901:22:04.159 --> 01:22:09.479
find Alex and he's hanging. He's hung himself. He's hanged himself.153001:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.560
I keep forgetting that hanged is the proper term, when153101:22:11.560 --> 01:22:15.479
it's that he's hanged himself, much like that coltist who153201:22:15.920 --> 01:22:21.119
started the place. And I liked that dichotomy because they153301:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.119
had suggested that the coltiest once his place was ruined,153401:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.239
the reputation was ruined and it couldn't run anymore. He153501:22:27.359 --> 01:22:33.000
killed himself, and now his haunt is ruined by whatever153601:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.079
you know is transpiring, because we have the smoke hasn't153701:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.960
cleared yet, so he's hung himself. Now hanged himself. But153801:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.319
I think that I took it more as like the153901:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.199
ghost did that to him as a symbol to kind154001:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.119
of like to put it, to stick it to him154101:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.319
and them for trying to take their place and make154201:22:49.359 --> 01:22:50.920
a joke out of it or whatever. That was the154301:22:51.039 --> 01:22:52.800
vibe I got from it.154401:22:53.000 --> 01:22:55.119
No, I get that. I get that vibe because it154501:22:55.239 --> 01:23:03.000
seems like the ghost, the ghostly present, just wanted them154601:23:03.039 --> 01:23:05.600
to get out. I wanted to just be left alone.154701:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.000
I think it wanted some of them to stay forever.154801:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.439
I guess that is the problem. I guess that is154901:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.640
the problem, is how long you stay? Yeah, But no,155001:23:18.039 --> 01:23:22.960
and and I absolutely agree that the the way that155101:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.359
Alex hanged himself, I feel like that was the ghost155201:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.159
taking like taking control of him.155301:23:30.279 --> 01:23:32.840
Yeah. And and after we see all of that revealed,155401:23:33.800 --> 01:23:42.039
we go back to now time the documentary, and that's155501:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.039
where things start to get really interesting. We'll talk about155601:23:45.039 --> 01:23:46.159
that in just a moment.155701:24:00.159 --> 01:24:05.560
The footage of the pandemonium wraps up, and we're back155801:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.520
at the hotel in the in the in the in155901:24:08.560 --> 01:24:09.640
the interview hotel.156001:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.520
Yeah, well we're in the Yeah. Yeah, that is confusing156101:24:12.520 --> 01:24:14.359
because there's a hotel too. Well, and I was I156201:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.399
was actually just gonna correct because they weren't a hotel room.156301:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.439
They're in like a conference room interviewing her. You're right,156401:24:20.239 --> 01:24:22.680
I'm just saying. But then when you said the other hotel, oh, yeah,156501:24:22.720 --> 01:24:26.760
because the hell house is a hotel. So no, I'm156601:24:26.760 --> 01:24:27.960
with you. I just thought it was funny. I was156701:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.239
correcting a totally different thing. I was like, well, not156801:24:30.279 --> 01:24:31.920
a hotel room, but a place in a hotel.156901:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.159
Yes, they're in a room in a hotel. That's not157001:24:35.239 --> 01:24:36.319
a hotel room.157101:24:37.159 --> 01:24:40.000
I mean, we we've already covered all of this. I157201:24:40.039 --> 01:24:41.800
don't know why we need to cover it more.157301:24:42.199 --> 01:24:47.199
But she tells Diane that she escaped from the attic,157401:24:48.720 --> 01:24:52.680
but Tony wasn't able to. She got away just as157501:24:52.720 --> 01:24:58.560
the police arrived, and she doesn't know like kind of157601:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.880
what happened after that because she was pretty shaken up.157701:25:02.720 --> 01:25:07.159
But she's pretty tired now and she needs to take157801:25:07.159 --> 01:25:07.560
a rest.157901:25:07.560 --> 01:25:08.279
Well, she's upset.158001:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.920
Yeah, she's it's yeah, and the and they do even158101:25:10.960 --> 01:25:13.920
say like, we're so sorry, we really did push you pretty.158201:25:13.720 --> 01:25:15.000
Yeah, tell her like you can take a break, you158301:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.000
can take any break you want. Yeah. They even hot158401:25:17.039 --> 01:25:18.720
for to get her a room at the hotel they're158501:25:18.760 --> 01:25:20.119
interviewing her at. They're like, would you like us to158601:25:20.119 --> 01:25:21.840
book you a room and you can just rest and158701:25:21.880 --> 01:25:22.920
we'll talk in a little while.158801:25:23.000 --> 01:25:24.880
Yeah, And she's like, no, it's fine, I already have158901:25:24.920 --> 01:25:27.840
a room. You can find me in Room to See159001:25:28.000 --> 01:25:34.399
And that's pretty interesting. But as they're sitting there talking159101:25:34.960 --> 01:25:38.920
and and it's clearly been a little while, but Sarah159201:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.000
hasn't come back, so they try to find the room159301:25:43.439 --> 01:25:44.840
and they can't find it. They go down to the159401:25:44.840 --> 01:25:48.359
front desk and ask where Room to See is and159501:25:48.359 --> 01:25:52.600
they say well, they ask okay, that's right, and they're159601:25:52.640 --> 01:25:57.119
like there is. There's no letters in our room numbers.159701:25:58.000 --> 01:26:01.720
And they're like, well, that's weird because Sarah Hale said159801:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.560
that she was checked in here.159901:26:03.640 --> 01:26:05.640
Yeah. But they're not even that freaked out. They're like, oh,160001:26:05.680 --> 01:26:07.800
maybe she just misspoke, Like we just want to call160101:26:07.960 --> 01:26:11.479
Sarah Hale's room. Yeah, and they're like they look around160201:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.560
at nobody named Sarah is staying here right now.160301:26:14.760 --> 01:26:20.079
Yeah, so that's kind of a disappointment that they can't get,160401:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.680
you know, a finished statement from Sarah. But that's not160501:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.000
going to stop Diane because well, let's just go to160601:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.399
the abandoned hotel ourselves.160701:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.960
Because she's a go getter with middle management written all160801:26:33.000 --> 01:26:39.720
over and quote office case. So Diane and Jonathan decide160901:26:39.720 --> 01:26:42.880
to visit to go back to Abbadon Hotel, which, uh,161001:26:43.439 --> 01:26:44.840
because she's just kind of like we could go there,161101:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.960
like no one will notice that we're there. It's like161201:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.119
late and yeah, it'll be late soon, like nobody's gonna know.161301:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.600
We can just try and get something more, especially since161401:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.079
they don't have Sarah possibly anymore. I think it's interesting too,161501:26:57.159 --> 01:27:01.600
Like while the Alex character is obsessed with his haunt161601:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.239
and getting it nailed, the documentary crew is like way161701:27:04.279 --> 01:27:06.960
more balanced for the most part, don't get me wrong.161801:27:07.119 --> 01:27:09.479
Like Diane becomes obsessed with like no, no, let's take161901:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.479
some risks to get it. But she's not like I162001:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.960
can't believe Sarah ran off, like we have to find her,162101:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.560
like whatever. They're like, No, she was really upset, Like162201:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.039
I get it. She just didn't want to do this anymore.162301:27:19.079 --> 01:27:21.279
And I don't blame her, you know, like she's not162401:27:21.520 --> 01:27:24.920
like it's interesting that dichotomy, like it's similar but very different.162501:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.680
So they're gonna go back to the hotel, and meanwhile,162601:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.640
their editor is going to stay behind and keep cataloging162701:27:33.680 --> 01:27:38.159
the footage we've been watching from Sarah. Yes, and it's162801:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.399
this is where, in my opinion, I think in most162901:27:41.399 --> 01:27:44.359
people's opinion because it's the beginning of the big ending,163001:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.079
but this is where I felt like the film really163101:27:48.520 --> 01:27:51.840
like hooked me deep like and made me go, Okay,163201:27:51.920 --> 01:27:53.760
I think I'm gonna be really like, I'm gonna really163301:27:53.760 --> 01:27:55.199
be happy when this movie's over. I think it's going163401:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.880
to really be a good ending. Because the moment that163501:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.720
there's no room to see, I am immediately did you163601:28:00.720 --> 01:28:02.359
have the same thought, the immediate thought that that was163701:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.680
the room number at the Abaddon Yeah, that was my163801:28:04.680 --> 01:28:06.199
first thought too, was I was like, that's a room163901:28:06.239 --> 01:28:11.520
at the Abadan Hotel. Crap. But speaking of the Hitchcock rule,164001:28:12.439 --> 01:28:15.760
this is a perfect example of the Hitchcock rule. So164101:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.800
they take off to go to the Abaddon Hotel and164201:28:19.079 --> 01:28:22.800
Mitchell looks through Sarah's footage, and he finds footage after164301:28:22.960 --> 01:28:29.399
Mac has died where Paul is possessed mm hmm, and164401:28:29.520 --> 01:28:35.079
he he murders Sarah on camera like she is clearly murdered,164501:28:35.560 --> 01:28:39.399
and then he slits his own throat, which kind of164601:28:39.439 --> 01:28:45.760
makes sense because no one actually said that there were164701:28:45.760 --> 01:28:51.880
any survivors per se, except Sarah. Sarah came to them,164801:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.079
was like, I'm the only survivor of the Abadon thing.164901:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.439
I don't think the police ever said in any of165001:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.560
the little like pieces snippets. Then, I don't think anybody165101:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.840
said there were I mean, nobody said anything about survivors165201:29:03.039 --> 01:29:04.960
because if there were none, they would never They wouldn't165301:29:04.960 --> 01:29:06.479
say and there were no survivors. No, well you just165401:29:06.479 --> 01:29:09.359
said fifteen people died. You don't say, you don't add165501:29:09.479 --> 01:29:11.720
and no survivors. You only bring it up if there165601:29:11.760 --> 01:29:12.199
isn't it, you know.165701:29:12.399 --> 01:29:12.560
Yeah.165801:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.079
Yeah, So, so he's witnessed this, which now tells us165901:29:16.399 --> 01:29:18.560
who the hell is Sarah? But it's Sarah, for sure.166001:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.600
It's her. It's not an impostor or something. They didn't166101:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.760
pull a you know, a daytime soap opera and have166201:29:24.840 --> 01:29:26.920
her have a twin sister or something, although that would166301:29:26.920 --> 01:29:32.840
have been kind of funny. So now talking about Hitchcock's suspense. Now,166401:29:33.000 --> 01:29:37.319
Diane and cameraman Jonathan, they've broken into the abbott On166501:29:37.439 --> 01:29:40.800
Hotel and they're trying to see if they can kind166601:29:40.840 --> 01:29:44.079
of gather any more information about what happened. And the166701:29:44.239 --> 01:29:49.119
whole time they're walking around this dark, gross place that166801:29:49.279 --> 01:29:53.119
is half real gross and half fake haunt gross, and166901:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.600
half wrecked by cops searching it. Her phone is ringing167001:29:57.720 --> 01:30:02.119
and it's Mitchell trying to tell them Sarah's dead. How167101:30:02.680 --> 01:30:07.119
were we interviewing Sarah all day? She's dead and they're167201:30:07.119 --> 01:30:10.199
not taking the call. In fact, she's just annoyed. She's like,167301:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.159
why did he just like he knows where You're trying167401:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.640
to do this real quick and we're not supposed to167501:30:13.680 --> 01:30:17.479
be here. Just leave a voicemail and that's That's the167601:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.680
perfect suspense. You know something and they don't, and it's167701:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.640
coming to get you, and it will right after this.167801:30:39.199 --> 01:30:43.840
So Diane refuses to answer her phone because she needs answers.167901:30:44.119 --> 01:30:47.680
Well, yeah, I said that before the break, but sure, people,168001:30:47.800 --> 01:30:48.119
you know.168101:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.880
It's like you return from the commercial break and the168201:30:52.000 --> 01:30:54.880
characters say the thing they just said, so you remember,168301:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.840
do they do that, not anymore, but they used to.168401:31:00.199 --> 01:31:00.560
Go on.168501:31:02.560 --> 01:31:10.039
And caraman. Jonathan, to his credit, pretty quickly starts insisting168601:31:10.439 --> 01:31:14.720
that this is a very bad idea, yeah, and we168701:31:14.760 --> 01:31:19.119
should leave. But Diane does not want to hear it.168801:31:19.600 --> 01:31:25.000
And she's so excited seeing like blood on the walls,168901:31:26.640 --> 01:31:28.840
and she's even like, we don't even know if this169001:31:28.880 --> 01:31:33.239
is real blood or not. And Jonathan's like, that's not169101:31:33.800 --> 01:31:39.000
a good thing, no, And she keeps leading them further169201:31:39.199 --> 01:31:45.520
and further into this haunted hotel until they go down169301:31:45.520 --> 01:31:51.239
to the basement. Of course they do, and things start169401:31:51.720 --> 01:31:56.600
moving around and they start hearing things, and then.169501:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.800
They I really don't remember them going downstairs. I just169601:32:00.880 --> 01:32:02.520
remember when they went to the second floor and found169701:32:02.520 --> 01:32:02.840
the room.169801:32:03.359 --> 01:32:06.520
Oh they did find the room. No, sorry, see I169901:32:06.640 --> 01:32:08.319
was getting myself mixed up.170001:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.600
Oh with your with your transcript with my transcri. Yeah,170101:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.279
they went up to the second floor and that's when170201:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.119
they realized there was a room labeled to Susie. And170301:32:17.119 --> 01:32:20.319
they're like, oh, and it has a little lock from170401:32:20.359 --> 01:32:22.079
the outside, not a big lock. It was one of170501:32:22.079 --> 01:32:25.760
those little hook and loop hot locks was but it170601:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.560
was on the outside, which would suggest that whoever's in170701:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.119
there couldn't have done that exactly, which is a nice touch.170801:32:31.159 --> 01:32:35.399
It doesn't really matter that much except that it's impossible170901:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.199
for the person in there. There has to have been171001:32:37.199 --> 01:32:41.560
somebody else or something else involved. Right. So they opened171101:32:41.560 --> 01:32:45.640
the door and Sarah is sitting in the room on171201:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.479
the bed with her back to them, and Diana and171301:32:48.560 --> 01:32:53.239
Jonathan realized things are not right, and she turns out171401:32:53.239 --> 01:32:58.479
to be this like ghoulish thing. Yeah, and she attacks them,171501:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.079
and as they're trying to get away or whatever, two171601:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.520
cultists kind of similar to what we'd seen appear before171701:33:06.159 --> 01:33:11.079
show up and they take away our hapless documentarians.171801:33:11.439 --> 01:33:14.600
Yeah, and that's all she wrote.171901:33:14.760 --> 01:33:18.159
That's all she wrote. Sorry, Rachel wanted to to She172001:33:18.279 --> 01:33:20.600
was like being like chat GBT and like hallucinating a172101:33:20.600 --> 01:33:21.680
different ending for fun.172201:33:22.319 --> 01:33:26.760
It's good to have hobbies. No, I really got myself172301:33:26.800 --> 01:33:28.760
mixed up with that earlier in the movie.172401:33:28.920 --> 01:33:32.359
Uh huh, don't believe her, kids, No, But so, I mean,172501:33:32.399 --> 01:33:34.840
and that is that is the chilling ending of Hell172601:33:34.840 --> 01:33:37.399
else LLC. And it's a really strong ending. I mean,172701:33:37.439 --> 01:33:40.600
having Sarah be a ghost is such a cool twist.172801:33:41.560 --> 01:33:43.279
I know that some people would say it's been done172901:33:43.319 --> 01:33:44.680
a lot, but it hasn't been done like that.173001:33:45.159 --> 01:33:45.520
Yeah.173101:33:45.600 --> 01:33:47.520
Yeah, So I thought it was great. I mean, and173201:33:48.119 --> 01:33:52.159
the rules being established, like they were filming her, but173301:33:52.199 --> 01:33:54.520
she was a ghost, so I guess ghosts can be filmed,173401:33:54.560 --> 01:33:56.439
you know. Like I like that. I like that element too,173501:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.920
though It's like, okay, so like I like when rule173601:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.800
are broken in like this kind of space, but then173701:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.520
you realize like, oh wait, I guess there really are173801:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.000
no rules. So I was just being silly by thinking, like, well,173901:34:08.039 --> 01:34:10.039
how do they film it? I don't. Oh it's a ghost.174001:34:10.079 --> 01:34:12.239
Do you know how ghost work? I like that.174101:34:12.479 --> 01:34:12.680
Yeah.174201:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.119
Yeah, well that's fun and a great way to be174301:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.920
extra creative. Oh agree, But yeah, so that's hell else174401:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.560
I'll see. I love that film. I think it really174501:34:21.600 --> 01:34:26.119
holds up great. It's a great Halloween time film to174601:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.000
really kind of pull you into that spirit, which is174701:34:29.039 --> 01:34:33.600
why we shared it for summer ween. The I'm assuming174801:34:33.680 --> 01:34:38.279
Millennial concocted Halloween in the summer. I ain't complaining, I'm participating,174901:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.239
but what so for you, first of all, we should175001:34:42.239 --> 01:34:44.560
compare it and contrast it just a little bit more175101:34:44.600 --> 01:34:46.920
to the houses October built. Yeah, because that's why we175201:34:46.960 --> 01:34:49.079
did them back to back because they're often confused with175301:34:49.119 --> 01:34:51.600
each other and compared because of the similar release time175401:34:51.640 --> 01:34:55.279
and similar basic concepts. So what did you think about175501:34:55.279 --> 01:34:55.960
them comparatively?175601:34:57.479 --> 01:35:01.760
I enjoyed them both equally. But I will say that175701:35:03.079 --> 01:35:11.159
when it comes to like strictly October vibes, Halloween October vibes.175801:35:11.520 --> 01:35:16.960
For some reason, houses October, houses October built did it175901:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.319
for me more? And I think is it because they've176001:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.520
visited so many haunts?176101:35:21.920 --> 01:35:26.399
Yeah? At once, I mean, you're definitely right. But I176201:35:26.439 --> 01:35:27.960
was trying to tell you to bring your microphone closer176301:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.399
to your face because you were drifting away from it.176401:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.199
I tried. I tried to signal to her, and she176501:35:31.199 --> 01:35:32.600
looked at me like she was about to get hit176601:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.520
by a car. It's like I was just trying to176701:35:34.560 --> 01:35:36.199
tell you as quickly as I could with that.176801:35:36.199 --> 01:35:39.880
I was hoping that I was reading your gesture, right,176901:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.239
That's why I looked confused.177001:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.920
Look, oh, and the gesture was to be confused and scared.177101:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.800
Be confused. That's scared now, But no, hou'ses October. I177201:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.279
mean they go to so many places, they interview so177301:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.640
many people, they see so many people in makeup and costumes,177401:35:53.680 --> 01:35:58.000
and it's way more halloweeny in a very broad way177501:35:58.039 --> 01:36:01.359
that I think works Hello else llc. Just the fact177601:36:01.359 --> 01:36:03.520
that it's in a haunt the whole basically the whole movie.177701:36:03.520 --> 01:36:05.720
I feel like that's where it gets the biggest part177801:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.079
of its Halloween energy for me.177901:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.479
Yeah, I agree, And I also like any any story178001:36:11.520 --> 01:36:17.319
where it's a haunted house obviously is gonna be a178101:36:17.359 --> 01:36:20.319
little bit more fun for Halloween time. And I think178201:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.720
this is fun that it's a haunted, haunted house.178301:36:24.520 --> 01:36:28.159
Yeah, there aren't nearly as many of those as you'd think. Yeah,178401:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.479
although you you should see hell Fest. It's it's a178501:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.000
it's a like a massive haunt that turns into like178601:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.840
real people getting murdered, but it's like a giant haunt.178701:36:36.920 --> 01:36:39.520
It's like like the size of Land of Illusion, oh man,178801:36:39.560 --> 01:36:41.640
and people just start getting slash slaughtered in there. I178901:36:41.640 --> 01:36:43.880
saw in the theater during the very brief run it had,179001:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.680
and I really enjoyed it. Healthfest Well then remember Haunt,179101:36:48.520 --> 01:36:51.079
Oh yeah, yeah, you loved Haunt. That one was fun.179201:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.800
That's a really solid, really fun that's a really solid,179301:36:54.039 --> 01:36:57.039
you know, killer haunt kind of vibe. So I mean179401:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.560
there are some, but not nearly as many maybe as179501:36:59.560 --> 01:37:01.479
you'd think it. Also, both of the ones I just179601:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.920
mentioned aren't about haunts being haunted. They're just haunts where179701:37:04.920 --> 01:37:06.800
people get killed, so they don't have ghosts at all,179801:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.840
So you know, not quite the same all. Yeah, So179901:37:10.840 --> 01:37:12.680
so you prefer houses October.180001:37:12.359 --> 01:37:14.960
Built, I think so, just just a little bit.180101:37:15.279 --> 01:37:16.680
Because of Halloween energy.180201:37:17.039 --> 01:37:19.640
Just because of just because of the halloweeny energy. It180301:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.319
really scratched that itch for me. But I would say,180401:37:23.319 --> 01:37:27.479
like as far as as far as found footage and180501:37:27.640 --> 01:37:30.800
mockumentary type films, I would say this is a pretty180601:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.760
solid one. It's hard to hold a candle to something180701:37:35.840 --> 01:37:36.279
like wreck.180801:37:37.199 --> 01:37:40.600
Well that's not a documentary. It's just that's just because.180901:37:40.399 --> 01:37:41.920
It's strictly found footage.181001:37:41.960 --> 01:37:45.600
But uh, they're filming a documentary, but it's not presented.181101:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.880
As one exactly. But it's really fun, it's really entertaining.181201:37:49.880 --> 01:37:53.760
It had really really good scares. I feel like there181301:37:53.840 --> 01:37:58.159
was several where like I jumped really really hard.181401:37:58.640 --> 01:38:01.319
There were a couple. Hopefully it wasn't because you were181501:38:01.319 --> 01:38:02.760
falling asleep, but I don't know for sure.181601:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.439
I think I stayed awake, or maybe I'm asleep right now.181701:38:07.159 --> 01:38:08.760
If you say I think I stayed awake, I think181801:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.800
that's the most damning statement you should make. I'm pretty181901:38:11.800 --> 01:38:13.760
sure I stayed awake. Ah, so you weren't aware of182001:38:13.800 --> 01:38:18.520
your mental faculties. But no, I mean, I think it's182101:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.640
it's honestly, it's it's a solid one. And honestly, after182201:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.479
this revisit, I kind of I used to like houses182301:38:25.479 --> 01:38:28.359
October built more, and now I'm kind of leaning hell182401:38:28.399 --> 01:38:29.039
House LLC.182501:38:29.479 --> 01:38:33.479
Oh the old flippero Flipper Rooney.182601:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.960
But yes, okay, but that's yeah, that's kind of where182701:38:36.960 --> 01:38:37.720
I'm at right now.182801:38:38.039 --> 01:38:41.359
Yeah, So I think I think they're both really good,182901:38:41.479 --> 01:38:45.520
and I'm very glad that I watched hell House LLC.183001:38:46.079 --> 01:38:49.359
I think that we might have to keep this in183101:38:49.479 --> 01:38:51.800
the rotation for Halloween movies.183201:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.479
You know you don't want to watch the sequels.183301:38:54.079 --> 01:38:56.840
Actually I do want it. I'm curious about the sequels.183401:38:57.319 --> 01:38:58.000
I'm curious.183501:38:59.560 --> 01:39:01.800
I think that the first three year all about Abaddon183601:39:02.079 --> 01:39:04.760
and the hotel, okay, and then they move on to183701:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.560
something related but different. So I would be down to183801:39:08.560 --> 01:39:13.079
rewatch this. But with that all being said, what is183901:39:13.199 --> 01:39:14.680
next on the chopping block?184001:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.439
The next one is a little weird. This is a184101:39:19.479 --> 01:39:23.920
little weird, a little weird. Okay, so next we're doing184201:39:24.039 --> 01:39:26.960
tonight she comes from twenty seventeen.184301:39:27.920 --> 01:39:31.119
Yeah, so this is not a well known movie at all.184401:39:31.760 --> 01:39:35.359
This is not a very popular film. We saw this184501:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.199
at the Asylum Night of the Movies, I think is184601:39:38.239 --> 01:39:40.039
what they called it or something like that, Yeah, which184701:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.039
was a special screening they did at Cinemark Movie Theaters184801:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.159
of Asylum films, which were films made by the movie184901:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.840
studio that brought you Sharknado. Actually talked about it briefly earlier,185001:39:49.159 --> 01:39:53.159
Sharknado and all those kind of ridiculous mockbusters and stuff,185101:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.720
and the movies they showed were really out there. Yeah.185201:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.000
One of them that was really interesting was there was185301:39:59.000 --> 01:40:02.600
that One Bad Girl, which actually was Samara Weavings first185401:40:02.600 --> 01:40:04.680
film in Australia or she came to a market. It185501:40:04.680 --> 01:40:06.479
was also, yeah, very very good. But that was the185601:40:06.479 --> 01:40:09.039
first time Samorrow Weaving was in American theaters. And then185701:40:09.079 --> 01:40:11.479
like three years later she's like in Bill and Ted four.185801:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.159
It was really craz Or three, but it was really crazy.185901:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.159
So they were really interesting. But of all the films,186001:40:17.359 --> 01:40:19.600
a couple of them were a little stinker a few186101:40:19.600 --> 01:40:21.800
were really really good, but the only one that left186201:40:21.880 --> 01:40:25.439
us just completely like, what the what? I'm not even186301:40:25.479 --> 01:40:27.800
sure how you're gonna describe what happens in this movie186401:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.840
on the podcast when we talk about.186501:40:29.560 --> 01:40:32.840
It, don't. I will cross that bridge when we come186601:40:32.880 --> 01:40:34.359
to well, first we should I say the title.186701:40:34.479 --> 01:40:35.800
It's called Tonight She Comes.186801:40:36.239 --> 01:40:36.560
I don't know.186901:40:36.640 --> 01:40:39.399
No one believed that. No, but no you no, it's187001:40:39.479 --> 01:40:40.960
yeah you did? You mentioned the year and that Yeah,187101:40:41.000 --> 01:40:46.239
Tonight she Comes from twenty sixteen bizarre horror film. Yeah,187201:40:46.279 --> 01:40:48.159
Tonight she Comes, Night She Comes?187301:40:48.239 --> 01:40:52.800
Yeah, Yeah, what I like. One of the reasons it's187401:40:52.840 --> 01:40:56.439
got such a fun spot in my heart is because187501:40:57.039 --> 01:41:01.680
I was not well versed with slasher films when I187601:41:01.760 --> 01:41:06.399
saw this, so it was really really fun for kind187701:41:06.439 --> 01:41:10.680
of one of my first introductions to slasher films being187801:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.439
a film set that's kind of a love letter and187901:41:13.680 --> 01:41:18.840
also bucking every trend of slasher films that it possibly can.188001:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.520
At the same time. It's just nuts.188101:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.079
Yeah. No, it's way far out And it's available to188201:41:26.119 --> 01:41:30.159
watch to stream free with ads on Fandango at home,188301:41:31.079 --> 01:41:33.640
but you could also rent or buy it on Amazon188401:41:33.760 --> 01:41:38.119
Prime Video and Apple TV. And this is one I188501:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.680
really recommend you watch if you like your horror, just188601:41:41.800 --> 01:41:42.720
absolute batshit.188701:41:43.119 --> 01:41:43.520
Yeah.188801:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.880
So that's what we'll be covering next time on Cutting188901:41:45.880 --> 01:41:49.680
Deep into Horror, and I am cautiously excited to rewatch it.189001:41:49.680 --> 01:41:51.239
Part of me is worried that it just will somehow189101:41:51.319 --> 01:41:52.079
not be as great.189201:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.239
Yeah, I really hope that's not the case.189301:41:55.479 --> 01:41:58.399
I'm hopeful too, so but with that all being said,189401:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.119
we're gonna get out of here until next time. But189501:42:01.640 --> 01:42:04.800
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