Aug. 7, 2026

Cutting Deep into Horror | Hell House LLC (2015) — Halloween Haunt Found Footage Horror

Cutting Deep into Horror | Hell House LLC (2015) — Halloween Haunt Found Footage Horror
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Key Takeaways

  • Filmmaker Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi dive deep into Stephen Cognetti's 2015 cult found footage horror film, Hell House LLC.
  • The episode explores the unique mockumentary and found footage framing of the movie, highlighting how its fake documentary setup adds an eerie layer of realism.
  • The hosts contrast Hell House LLC with another Halloween haunt-themed found footage film, The Houses October Built, comparing their approaches to manufactured fear.
  • They break down the sinister history of the Abaddon Hotel, including its cult rumors, creepy clown mannequins, background scares, and the catastrophic opening night.
  • Hell House LLC is highlighted as a modern horror staple that is tailor-made for the spooky season and essential viewing for any Halloween horror rotation.

Join filmmaker Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi as Cutting Deep into Horror keeps Summerween rolling and gets an early jump on Halloween season with Hell House LLC (2015), Stephen Cognetti’s cult found footage horror movie about a Halloween haunted attraction inside the abandoned Abaddon Hotel. This spoiler-filled Hell House LLC review and ending discussion digs into the movie’s mockumentary setup, haunted-house scares, creepy clown mannequins, cult rumors, basement terror, and the opening-night catastrophe that turned a seasonal haunt into a nightmare.

If you’re already building your Halloween horror movie watchlist, this is one worth revisiting. Henrique and Rachael break down why Hell House LLC works so well as both found footage horror and a fake documentary, including the movie’s clever camera logic, background scares, strange noises, sleepwalking, moving figures, malfunctioning equipment, and the growing realization that something inside the Abaddon Hotel may be much worse than the haunt its crew is trying to build. The episode specifically digs into how the documentary structure strengthens the movie rather than simply providing an excuse for the cameras to keep rolling.

The conversation also continues the haunted-attraction discussion from The Houses October Built, comparing the two movies’ approaches to Halloween haunts, extreme haunted houses, found footage storytelling, and spooky-season atmosphere. While The Houses October Built travels through the world of real haunted attractions, Hell House LLC traps its characters inside one location and slowly turns the business of manufactured fear into something terrifyingly real.

Then it’s time to enter the Abaddon Hotel itself: its sinister history, rumors of cult activity and suicide, the increasingly disturbing behavior of the Hell House crew, the terrifying clown figures, the disastrous opening night, the panic in the basement, and the revelations waiting in the recovered footage. Henrique and Rachael follow the mystery all the way through the movie’s final trip back to the hotel and discuss why its relatively simple scares can still create so much dread.

For fans of Halloween movies, haunted house horror, found footage movies, supernatural horror, horror mockumentaries, creepy clowns, abandoned hotels, haunted attractions, spooky season movies, and Summerween, Hell House LLC has become one of the modern horror movies that feels almost tailor-made for October.

Inside this episode:

  • Why Hell House LLC works so well as a Halloween-season horror movie
  • Summerween, spooky season, and the appeal of Halloween haunted attractions
  • Hell House LLC vs. The Houses October Built
  • Why the mockumentary and found-footage format feels convincing
  • The Abaddon Hotel and its disturbing history
  • Creepy clowns, mannequins, background scares, and slow-building dread
  • Sleepwalking, strange noises, camera problems, and escalating supernatural activity
  • The Hell House crew’s increasingly disastrous haunt preparations
  • Opening night and the deadly basement sequence
  • The Hell House LLC ending and the final return to the Abaddon Hotel
  • Why this one deserves a spot in the Halloween horror rotation
Sharpen your machetes and straight razors — we’re Cutting Deep into Horror.

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is Hell House LLC about?

Hell House LLC is a 2015 found footage horror film directed by Stephen Cognetti that follows a group of haunt creators setting up a Halloween attraction inside the abandoned Abaddon Hotel, where a mysterious catastrophe previously occurred.

Who hosts the Weekly Spooky podcast episode on Hell House LLC?

The episode is hosted by filmmaker Henrique Couto and his co-host Rachael Redolfi on their podcast, Weekly Spooky.

Where can you watch Hell House LLC?

Hell House LLC is widely available to stream on platforms with ads like Tubi, Pluto TV, The Roku Channel, Plex, and YouTube, as well as on AMC Plus, Shudder, and major digital rental platforms.

How does the presentation style of Hell House LLC differ from traditional found footage movies?

Unlike traditional found footage films that use an immediate camera-in-hand perspective, Hell House LLC utilizes a mockumentary format presented as a completed documentary before eventually devolving into raw found footage at the end.

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just gonna like saunter back to my car with blood

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in my veins pumping readily.

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I'm corporeal, dude, I guess some people. I just have

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possess me for a minute? Will that make you feel better?

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep

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dark secrets scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is cutting

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deep into horror.

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Welcome, my spookies, back to cutting deep into horror. I

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am of course, your hosting Rique Kuto here with my

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co host Rachel Ridulfhy. Rachel, how are you?

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I'm doing good? That was goofy. That was fun.

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Are No? I didn't say that like it's bad thing.

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Well, we're in the midst of our pregame for the

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Halloween season, which is coming right up. It's now August

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and early August, but August nonetheless, and we're two months

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away from October. For me because September is my birthday month,

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I really kind of get to skate till Christmas. Yeah,

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once I get to My birthday's on the tenth of September,

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barely the first third, so I do. I won't lie

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like it's but it's also makes it kind of chaotic

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last four months because it's like Birthday, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas,

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New Year's and then it's like and now it's like January.

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I'm like, oh my god, how did I get here?

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It happens? Anybody get the license plateed on that truck?

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So and and and September is my fortieth birthday, so

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I get to age that's good. That's it good to

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have a plan. That's my that's my move, man, that's

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my secret move. Don't steal it. I'll be mad on

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But but yeah, so the pregame for October in the

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Halloween season, we're talking about yet another not only found

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footage film, and relatively modern one too, just over ten

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years old, but another found footage Halloween film. And there

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aren't a ton of those that are specifically on Halloween.

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on holidays, especially Halloween and Christmas. Anyway, Yeah, so this

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is one. It's called hell House LLC. Last time we

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talked about the Houses October built, which ironically they came

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out a year apart, barely apart from each other, and

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they're both films very about similar things. Yeah, one is

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a haunt documentary about haunted houses, is in the attractions,

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and the other is about a group of people, hell

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House LLC, which I think is a great title. By

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the way, ole House LLC. I was saying really fast.

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it's a great title, yeah, because it tells you what

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you need to know, which is like spooky, but also

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it's a business. Yeah, it's the business of fright. But

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this is a found footage film that is much more

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about a haunt being put in the wrong house exactly.

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And unlike Houses October Built, Hell House LLC has generated

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let's say, one, two, three, four sequels.

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That's a lot of sequel.

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That's now, that's four sequels, not four films. That's five films,

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four sequels. Sometimes I get confused. I'll be like, yeah,

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there's five sequels. I'm like, wait, no, no, the first

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one doesn't count because it's so it's a five film

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sequel or four five film series or four sequels.

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Yeah, so five total movies, which I don't think I've

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seen the last one, which was hell House LLC lineage

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from August of twenty twenty five. The other ones I

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felt like, the pretty are they're pretty good, Okay, but

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but I but I like this one quite a bit.

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And they are easy to confuse because they're so similar

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in that one way that they're both about haunts at

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Halloween exactly. And if you mess up Houses October Built

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and make it House October Built, then it totally would

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be a title that would fit this Hellouse LLC exactly,

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and Hellouse LLC would kind of fit Houses October built,

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except you know, except it's only one house. But it's

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about the business of fright. It's just about a bunch

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of businesses. So, and that was a really good episode.

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If you guys missed that, you should definitely check that

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one out because it was a fun one to talk about.

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But hell House LLC, if you want to watch it

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before we spoil the hell out of it, it is

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available on YouTube with ads. It's available free on two

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Plex with ads. You can also find every Hellhouse LLC

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movie on AMC Plus or Shutter with your subscription. And

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of course you could rent or buy it on Amazon

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Prime Video, Fandango at Home, and Apple TV. So very

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very accessible and readily available. And it's directed by Stephen Cognetti,

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who has directed all of the hell House LLC sequels.

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Oh that's cool.

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So it's very much his series.

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Okay, like his Baby, His Strange Child.

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Exactly, and it the leading actors, they did a good job,

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but you wouldn't recognize any o their names. You have

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Danny Bellini, Ryan Jennifer Gore Adams great name for a

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horror movie actor. Jared Hacker also great name for a

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horror movie actor. But they're not, you know, super well known,

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but they all do a very good job. Oh yeah,

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this one's got great twists and turns. One of the

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big elements that I love about this one. And I'm

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curious what you think, because we have been on a

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long we're getting ready to wrap up our found footage

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jaunt at least for now.

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Yes, we will come back eventually.

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Of course, there's just so many interesting ones. But we

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covered so many different found footage movies from all over

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the world for different time frames, and I would love

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for us to do like, definitely like Cannibal Holocaust eventually

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because it was the first found footage but I kind

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of even though it's not that actually that solid of

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a scary movie, I would love to do America's Deadliest

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Home Video because that was from ninety two or ninety three,

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and that's one of the earliest on video found footage movies.

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Okay, I remember, like I've heard.

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The times I helped remaster it. I worked for the

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distributor that put it out on DVD after it had

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been out of print for like fifteen years.

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That's awesome.

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The director of that went on to do a ton

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of movies, including a bunch of movies for the Asylum

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in Los Angeles. The people who did Scharnado and stuff,

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you did a lot of like commercial films and commercial commercials.

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So it's it's funny when you work in film. When

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you say commercial work, you don't mean commercial television commercials.

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You mean commercial as in movies that are sold commercially,

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like they can be in a they can be on

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a major streaming app or whatever, exactly, like a more

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underground like shot on a you know cam quorder down

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in dirty movies. Those aren't commercial films. They're more underground

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or whatever. Commercial movie like it's on to be in Hulu,

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you know, like, oh cool, it's a commercial movie exactly.

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But then you would you would actually say I work

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on commercials. Yes, but it's not the great delineation. That's

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very confusing, but it's like no, you you would say

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I do commercial films or commercials. They're not the same thing,

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but they sing. But then you could say I did that.

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He did a lot of commercial work, which would be

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commercial films as opposed to say he did a lot

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of work in commercials.

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Which means he is making ads in commercials.

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Yes, unless they well, actually a lot of commercials aren't

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really commercials unless they're from the commercial region of France.

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Otherwise it's just sparkling white advertisements. Okay, I you know,

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I'm on I'm on it a man. Well, you know,

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when we when we did our last show, I was

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in a rough spot because I was in the middle

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of changing my diet and losing weight and it's not

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always fun, especially early on. But I've lost thirty pounds

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and I feel pretty good and I ate a bunch

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of fish and that's not h Yeah, it's like, uh yeah,

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I'm either Portuguese or Dolphin. There's really those are the two.

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You know, why not both? Well, their languages are both

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really hard to pronounce.

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That, Yeah, that's where the sounds came from. It's the dolphin.

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Most of the most of the Atlantic Ocean is their coast,

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so see, that would be the Portuguese, the original Portuguese

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Dolphin Latin. These are jokes. People are like, I do

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not have any clue why we're laughing about Portuguese right now.

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That's fair, Yeah, that's for us. That was that was

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just for us sparkling white advertisements. But no, so this.

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But there is a film I really enjoy, a film

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that I think is I think it's actually now kind

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of underrated. It wasn't originally it was very popular, but

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I feel like as time went on, some people felt

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like it was cool to hate on it a little bit.

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That happens.

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But then again, with all the sequels, I think it's

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still aliked clearly, clearly. So, I mean I could be

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I could be wrong.

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But it would be kind of weird if no one

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watched the sequels but they kept making them.

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I mean, that does happen, but not at this level.

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But it was released in twenty fifteen, and oh, that's

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what I wanted to mention before I got on a

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long tangent. One of the things I like about this

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film is that the style of found footage is more

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mockumentary than literal found footage.

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I'm glad you mentioned that, because I was if you

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didn't say something soon, I was going to Yeah.

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Yeah, it's presented as a already complete documentary. Yeah. Now,

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there are positives and negative to me about that presentation style.

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One of the positives is it's presented more so it

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feels more put together. You can juxtapose things like you're

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editing a movie, but it's meant to be taken as

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a documentary. Also, it can lend it a if you

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do a really good job of the documentary elements, it

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can lend a believability element that can be disconcerting. Yeah,

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But the negative side is that it's hard to feel

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urgency because it's like, oh, well, then, after all the

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horrific things I'm about to see happened, somebody sat down

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in a dark room with like, you know, some wasabi

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ps and a freaking pack of Red Bull and just

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cranked out a first cut, you know, and then a

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producer showed up and just destroyed their sense of being

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and made them wish they'd went to law school after all. So,

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not based on any true story, So but that's something

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I think is important to keep in mind. But this

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film does something that I don't mind, although it does

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kind of break the illusion more. It combines that you

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get like a presented documentary, but then toward the end

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it falls apart and just becomes the footage is found. Yeah,

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And I don't hate that because I think that in

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a way that that it's a great way to establish

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so much. I don't know, what do you think about

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the idea of that.

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It's one of those things where because the rest of

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the movie was so good I was able to suspend

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my disbelief at the end and be like, Okay, that works.

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If the acting leading up to it hadn't been so good,

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or if it had fallen apart, like in the second

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act a little bit, then I feel like I kind

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of would, but I would have been way more disappointed.

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It would have been more judgy on it. Yeah, if

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it had immersed.

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You so well, yeah, because then it would have been like, well,

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wait a second, but if if all this happens, then

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and how did we get the footage at the end anyway? Yeah,

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and we'll get to that.

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Yeah. And I'm not going to say the name of

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the film because I don't want to spoil it, but

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there was a found footage movie that was mostly a mockumentary.

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We'll eventually watch it for the show. But I'm literally saying,

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like the literal end, so I don't want to tell

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you what it is, but I love it. But the

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ending literally cuts to being a narrative movie like it

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just it just cuts and all of a sudden, it's

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a narrative film of like the reveal of the bad

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guy and what he's done and da da da, And

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it's not like a big it doesn't become a narrative movie.

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It's the last like minute okay, the whole film. And

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I get why they did it, and I will say

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they did it early enough in the era that it

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was very different and ballsy okay, But I remember, even

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as a teenager watching it being it took me out

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of it. It maybe kind of go ah man because

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as a you know, producer and director of several found

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footage movies and a lover of them, there is an

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element of that. I like when they're perfect logically or

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as close as you can get, Like it makes sense

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why the camera was always on, It makes sense why

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they're doing what they're doing, why they keep filming it.

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May I like that stuff draws me in a lot,

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but I mean, if you hand me something as strongly

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done as Hell House LLC, I just can let go

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of that. Because I love a good fake documentary. I mean,

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ever since the Curse of the Blair Witch Channel documentary,

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that thing. There are two other fake Blair Witch documentaries

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I still haven't watched. I had to hunt them down.

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They were for showtime back in the early two thousands.

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I told you about them a year ago and you

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were like, that sounds cool, and then you went off

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and like played with trees or something. Sounds like you they.

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Out there.

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Yeah, that's fair better than in the house, which is

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where they seem to want to be, at least their

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roots and my damn drains.

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I know that's not fine.

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No, it's actually it's a problem.

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Yeah, this is too scary. Actually, I feel like, you know,

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we should have had should have had a content this

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morning there.

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Yeah, right, Yeah, we're going to talk about mortgages. We're

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going to talk about foundational issues with homes. We're going

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to talk.

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About so anyways, your house on a slab.

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Yeah, thank goodness, I am in a way. Slab is

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great unless it somehow gets damage, which is rare, then

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it's a real big problem.

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But but you don't have to worry about rotten stuff

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because it's slab anyway. See, you made it worse. But yeah,

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So I love that that's the presentation style. I think

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it really serves the film very well. I agree, and

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I don't mind that it kind of breaks some of

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my personal rules because it works well. Yeah, and that always,

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I mean, did you get me entertained? Always trumps anything.

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Else, exactly exactly.

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So unless it's The Odyssey and they scream like we

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shot it in Imax for perfection, and then I'm like,

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that SHOT's not in focus. That happened, I was. I

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saw it. I saw it an Imax, and I literally

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like three times the shot was like soft because somebody

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moved a little, and then the rest of the shot

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was soft. And I just turned to Dave and I

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was like, uh huh ah.

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I love watching movies with you guys, because every one

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once in a while, I'll just hear one of you

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guys go yell focus.

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Fucus, especially when we're watching older movies. See, they have

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the excuse of having such a low budget that they

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couldn't know it was out of focus.

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After they like a week later, exactly during the Rushes,

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Christopher Nolan, he was.

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Watching There's no he had to have had a video

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tap in his camera, which allows you to see it

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on a screen, and if he didn't, he still could

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have afford to reshoot. But we're not talking about Odyssey.

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We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

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we'll get into more of the like the more specific

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nitty gritty of Hell House LLC. Right after this. All right,

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we're back talking about LLC. And I do want to

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also mention that, as I just said, like, one of

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the things that makes a found footage movie Greade is

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this thing and that thing, Cannibal Holocaust is literally a

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narrative movie that features them watching found footage. So you know,

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I'm not trying to I'm not like, I'm not a

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stickler at all. Yeah, I mean get you get me laughing,

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you get me crying, you get me interested, and I

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forget the greegrease and the issues really really fast. So

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you know that's just my way.

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No, I agree, So.

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But yeah, yeah, So with Hell Else LLC, you do

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get the vibe that this was a relatively small movie,

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kind of pushed together by friends with a small amount

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of money. I don't know what the budget was. It

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was never published, but if I had to guess, it

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was probably in the fifteen thousand, maybe twenty thousand dollars range.

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I could see that one of the things they did

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to make the movie seem more expensive. That is always

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smart and I highly recommend this to filmmakers. Is it's

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set outside of New York City, right, right, because they

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mentioned their first Haunt was in New York City and

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then they're opening a new haunt and this one is

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an Abdon upstate New York.

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Right.

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Abadon, of course is a great name for a city

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that's going to be creepy because Abadon was like the

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Greek or the Hebrew term. It was like it meant destruction.

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It was like, yeah, angel Aapoleon. Yeah, Apoleon was the

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Greek version, so a destroyer, yeah kind of thing.

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Sorry, did you I was going to say the angel

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of distraction.

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Oh yeah, yeah, perfect, yeah yeah. So Abadon's a great

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name for the town. I think that's great. And it's

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upstate New York. They referenced that it's maybe an hour

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outside of New York City, which is you know, perfect,

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perfect for that because you know people will come there.

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But but here's what I'm saying about, like that they

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did this so smart. So they said it in upstate

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New York and that it was by New York City.

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We've been to Upstate New York together when we worked

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on a movie. Upstate New York is a more expensive

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place in general. I mean just in general, everything's a

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little bit more expensive. You know where they actually shot the.

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Film, Pennsylvania, New Jersey.

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Well, New Jersey's not cheaper than I'm se New York

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film was fort but yes, they shot it in Lee Heightened. Oh,

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we drove past the hotel when we went to the

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Joe Bob thing and I even made a comment, But

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you hadn't seen the movie, so I think it just

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went over your head because you don't know. Guy said, hello, well,

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we'll see was shot there, and why would you even

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know it? So why would it really register that much?

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But no, we drove right past. It's like it's like

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ten maybe fifteen minutes from the Mahoning Drive in Lee Heighten, Pennsylvania. Really,

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it's right there, and that's where those where that guy's from,

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the directors from there are from around there. So but

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but by saying it took place in a place that's

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more populous and more expensive, you kind of, in a

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weird way, give it an air of expensiveness. Yeah, and

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the idea that they were running a haunt in New

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York City suggests that they were spending money and making money,

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and then it makes all of it feel more believable

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as they're moving into this place that was like a

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band abd abadon Abdon, New York, which is not a

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real place. I think we mentioned that, but it makes

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more sense that they were able to, you know, that

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they were able to like build a whole new haunt, right,

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but also why they would want to get out of

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New York to save money and you know, cause in

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the hassle and all that. Yeah, So I thought that

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was a really clever move. And it's not hard. Like

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when I did A Bulldog for Christmas, which is a

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family movie I directed, I set it in Los Angeles

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and we shot it in Dayton, Ohio, because I was like, well,

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it just sounds more expensive. Yeah, And well and it

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was supposed to be winter and there was minimal snow,

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so I was like, well, we'll set it in Los

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Angeles because there's no snow. Ever, and then when there

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was snow later, they drove to northern California. So we

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set the whole thing in California, used California footage, used

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California landmarks. And we've never been called out for it,

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because why would you, Yeah, but it's just funny, like

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that made the movie kind of come off more expensive.

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It does, yeah, built in production by saying we were

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somewhere psychology is great.

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But anyway, so I love that element. But what we

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get here as we start up the actual film is

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the this documentary basically giving us a nice cold open

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of that, like fifteen people, including all and including nearly

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all the staff, died in what was declared a severe

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malfunction of the Haunt, and we're treated to a bunch

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of what looks like footage that people were taking themselves

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home video footage of them, like on their phone phones

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or cam quarters. Because this was before everybody had a

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spart It was deep into the beginning of everybody having spartphones,

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but not everybody did. Some people actually had little handheld

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cam quarterers.

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I do remember that Eli.

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I had a flip camera. Yeah, by the time I

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got one, my iPhone became better than it almost immediately,

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and I was like, damn it, why did I spend

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ninety dollars on this thing?

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New technology?

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Aah, damn you creative destruction. So but but so that alone,

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that brings up a lot of questions immediately, like, oh shit,

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so this this haunt has a bunch of people die,

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and then we're introduced to a documentary team, an investigative

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documentary team led by Diane Graves and her cameraman Jonathan

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and they're you know, interviewing people and talking about the

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rumors of supernatural activity. It's just really setting the stage

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very well. It did.

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Yeah, it did a fantastic job setting it up. And

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I loved I loved the initial setup of you know,

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showing all the footage from the perspective of the haunt goers. Yeah,

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because giving you that initial taste of what happened, uh,

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really makes you want to know from the documentary team,

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like what they uncover.

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Oh yeah, it's I mean, that's and that's the whole point.

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I mean, you know, it's the hook people, and they're

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doing it very well. And from here things only get weirder,

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more twisty and fascinating as they are going to present

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all of this footage that they were I forget, how

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did they get hold of it? Do you remember?

440
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.720
Uh, Sarah gives it to them.

441
00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.599
That's what it was. Okay, she gave them well because

442
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:25.119
oh yeah, she gave them all the footage.

443
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.160
Yeah, you're right, she said. She got it from She

444
00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.599
got it from the location before the police could.

445
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:31.160
Yeah.

446
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.680
Yeah, and so she brought it to them.

447
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.279
Which is weird. So Sarah is the only one who survived.

448
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:39.279
Yeah, so yeah, she's the sole survivor. And she was

449
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.960
Alex the owner of hell House l Elsie. Wasn't she

450
00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:44.720
hurt his like a girlfriend girlfriend?

451
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.039
Yeah, and that that is a really cool twist. My

452
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:49.720
brain got confused for a second. I was like, I

453
00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.240
thought maybe they had a bunch of footage, but then

454
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.599
she brought them the really interesting footage. But no, it

455
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.480
was all of it. And she gives them these tapes

456
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.240
and initially it's just home movie stuff. They wanted to

457
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.400
have stuff that they could remember it by and stuff

458
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.000
that they could turn into advertising later to show how

459
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.240
they built it up, because which makes sense because you know,

460
00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.240
if you film a haunt being built and then the

461
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.319
haunts a huge success, everybody would love to see how

462
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:13.599
it came to be exactly. So we get this footage

463
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:17.440
and obviously there's some weird stuff, but also how weird

464
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.319
that Sarah got the footage before the police did. Wouldn't

465
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.319
the police care the most about getting this footage. We'll

466
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.680
talk about that and a lot more right after this,

467
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:43.759
so our faithful Haunters ironic their Haunters going into a haunting.

468
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:49.240
They go to the abandoned Hotel Abadon of course aptly

469
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.680
the Hotel Abadon in Rockland County, which is the rural

470
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.680
area outside of New York, to get it set up

471
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.400
for Halloween. And I think they say it's like the

472
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.759
it's like the middle of se September. Yeah, so that's

473
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:02.799
like not a lot of time.

474
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.000
Yeah, they've got it. It's a crunch, yeah, and it's

475
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.519
it's definitely more time. That's one thing that I did

476
00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:13.279
like about this and that helped set it apart for

477
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:18.200
me from Houses October Built, is while it's not much

478
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.880
more time, there is more time that passes in this movie.

479
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:23.359
Yeah.

480
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.519
So it feels like you get to know the characters

481
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:29.720
a little bit more intimately in a way because you're

482
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.720
spending a little more you know, time with them.

483
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:35.160
No, I would agree with that. Yeah. So they're going

484
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.079
around this dilapidated hotel and it is beat to crap.

485
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.960
They're they're finding like one of my favorite parts was

486
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.319
right at the start when they were finding just all

487
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.240
the weird random junk in the front. Then they find

488
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.519
like an old like it was like a treadmill or something,

489
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:48.720
and they're just like exercise bike or something.

490
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.960
Yeah, and and well that was all scary. But then

491
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.359
by the time they get to the basement, they find

492
00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:01.279
like a pile of old Bibles and like disturbing symbols

493
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:06.400
scrolled on the walls and like stuff set up for

494
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:07.480
like rituals.

495
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.119
Looks like it. Yeah, and Alex the CEO of Hell

496
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.319
House LLC. He makes it sound like he did not

497
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.880
do an immense amount of due diligence before they moved there,

498
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:22.279
that he just kind of found out this place was

499
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.799
sitting abandoned, that it had a creepy reputation, and that

500
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.960
the community would actually be thrilled if it was turned

501
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.160
into something, you know, because it's a small community and

502
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.799
that would be good for the economy exactly. But I

503
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.680
cold yes, because when he sees the layout of the

504
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.039
house and everything, remember, he immediately mentions that he wants

505
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:46.039
the Hell House the attraction to culminate in the basement

506
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.880
where there's like a sacrifice, a cult sacrifice and a

507
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.000
woman chained up. Because then almost immediately after we'll meet

508
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.119
the actress they hired to play her. But that's interesting

509
00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.960
because we hear like little rumbles of what the time

510
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.559
thinks of it. But once we meet Melissa, the local

511
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.519
scare actor, that they're the first one that they hire,

512
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.880
the young woman, which it makes by the way, it

513
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.559
makes sense that she'd be the first time they hire

514
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.920
because while she's not going to do anything super silacious,

515
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.839
she has to be like in a bra with like

516
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.880
a cut open shirt. She has to be a little

517
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.200
bit a little scath skin. Yeah, so you'd want to

518
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.119
find that person right away and make sure they're actually

519
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.440
they're comfortable and they don't want to quit, as opposed

520
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.559
to like a guy in like a mask can just

521
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:24.319
be whoever.

522
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.920
Yeah, but you know, yeah, give that job to Bubba,

523
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.200
it's fine, or you can.

524
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.839
Give it to Pauline, you know, matter it's a big mask,

525
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.160
just put on the overalls. So, but when they start

526
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.079
talking to her, she starts talking with Alex and the cameraman,

527
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.720
paul the cameraman not of the documentary but of the crew,

528
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.319
about the hotel being a river to be haunted, and

529
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.799
she kind of mentions that like there was a belief

530
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.039
there was a cult there, which makes me think that

531
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:54.160
Alex knew, because why the hell did he think immediately

532
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.880
like it should end with a cult in the basement.

533
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.519
I mean, of course, you know, they found all the

534
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.559
culty stuff in the basement, but I think he knew.

535
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.319
I think he knew about that, and he just didn't

536
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.640
want to tell anybody because he was afraid that it

537
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.039
would would cook them out.

538
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.960
Oh yeah, and we get that throughout the whole movie,

539
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:16.160
where as things continue to escalate, Alex really just explains

540
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:21.279
it away. Yeah, but you know, don't You don't go

541
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:26.200
into a hotel and anticipate it to be haunted necessarily,

542
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.759
even if there are rumors, you're not necessarily thinking like,

543
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.920
oh yeah, and this is the time ghosts will be real.

544
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:33.640
That's fair.

545
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.079
So I can kind of give him that. But he

546
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:42.960
does also like every time there's something that goes wrong,

547
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:47.720
Alex has an explanation or an excuse or no, this

548
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.440
is just production value, or no, we can get past this,

549
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.920
or no, there were past the point of no return,

550
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.519
like I'll, well, we'll all lose out if we don't

551
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.920
open this weekend.

552
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:58.319
You know.

553
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.279
Well, that's another reason that the title works so well,

554
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.640
because it's a business. Yeah, and all of his money

555
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:12.640
and all of Sarah's money are in this attraction mm hmm.

556
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.599
And I don't remember them going into super detail, but

557
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.279
they make it sound like some financial issue happened that

558
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:21.400
especially got them out of New York, or that they

559
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.039
had a bad season, or it was kind of hinted at.

560
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.319
But I don't think it was spelled out, or maybe

561
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:26.559
I'm just remembering correctly.

562
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.119
I do not remember it being explicitly spelled out, And

563
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.200
when I read the transcript, I don't believe it was mentioned,

564
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.240
but it did. They did mention, just.

565
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.160
Like remove the sense of that, you, you know, watch the

566
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.759
movie intensely and make every ready watch the movie.

567
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.720
I watched the movie intensely with you, and then I

568
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.480
went back through and I was like, I need to

569
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.160
make sure I remember things all right.

570
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.119
You just don't. You just don't believe in the veil

571
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.400
of like mystery that we give.

572
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.680
For pay no attention to the man behind.

573
00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.319
The curtain, but another element because again it's a mockum henry.

574
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.920
After that is kind of discussed, then they go to

575
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.519
an expert that's being interviewed, who's an expert in like

576
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.160
the history around that part of New York of state

577
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:15.319
New York, and he talks about how the place, the hotel,

578
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.079
was originally built by a cultist, like a like a

579
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:25.599
very questionable figure, and that he chose the location because

580
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.240
the town's name was Abadan and you know that the

581
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.319
demon that guards the gata hell or something, and that

582
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.839
in nineteen eighty nine, a young mother and her daughter

583
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.799
disappeared while staying there, and that that was kind of

584
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.759
the big the big thing that caused the place to

585
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.240
start people start questioning if it was like a safe

586
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.240
place to be or what was going on with the

587
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.839
crazy cult guy, but that he was cleared of any

588
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.759
wrongdoing in their disappearance, but it destroyed the reputation of

589
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.400
the hotel. And then the big element that the cult

590
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:04.400
leader hung himself shortly after in the in the hotel. Yeah,

591
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.680
and meanwhile they're talking about like putting hanging corpse fake

592
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.799
corpses in like the room where they think he might

593
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.480
have been hung, which you know, ghosts love that it's

594
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.880
a choice, and uh yeah, So as they're getting deeper

595
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.720
into this hotel, this a band that formerly abandoned hotel,

596
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.200
things are getting more weird and supernatural and kind of

597
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.759
in a weird way forth, Wallly, you know, they kind

598
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:32.519
of get like breaking the fourth wall in weird ways,

599
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.640
like we see them watching footage back and stuff. But

600
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.400
we'll get to all the details of that right after this.

601
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:58.359
Ah ha ha. So the the crew they get to

602
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:03.160
this abandoned hotel and Alex is amped. He even keeps

603
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.960
saying like it's free production value, man, and I had

604
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.440
to laugh because you and I have literally done the

605
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.480
same thing, like on sets.

606
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.799
Sure for sure, Like our friend.

607
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.359
Pam, she's like, oh, I'm so sorry about like the

608
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.799
side of the barn doesn't look great, and we're like, no,

609
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.000
don't do anything. This is perfect.

610
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.720
But I've also been on the other side of that.

611
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.759
I have been crewe on films where they're like this

612
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:31.160
is production value, and I'm like, this is legitimate, dangerous filth. Yeah,

613
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.599
this is not safe for people to be around all

614
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.720
day exactly.

615
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.279
And that's kind of the point that like the crew

616
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.480
was even trying to make was like, is it like

617
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.359
is their black mold? Are we gonna get sick and

618
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.880
die here? And he's like, Nah, it's great, it's it'll

619
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.480
be fine. Yeah, And things seem to go well because

620
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.400
you know the place has been abandoned for years. So

621
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.720
when they get there, like there's not even electricity, So

622
00:32:58.759 --> 00:32:59.079
they have.

623
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.440
To love that that they get there and there's just

624
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.240
no power.

625
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.119
Yeah, so it's like, oh, yeah, it's you. We're gonna

626
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.359
check out the place we've just runted. By the way,

627
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.480
here's your flashlights.

628
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.119
Yeah you will need them. Yeah, you're gonna need these

629
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:11.839
some bitches.

630
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.599
So yeah, they have to spend like the first week

631
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.720
in campers. But then when they finally get electricity, it

632
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:26.160
seems like everything is going great until one night. Paul

633
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.880
is kind of like sitting there like blogging, which is

634
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.400
like this was back when blogging was first like a

635
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.000
wee baby infant thing.

636
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.000
At this point it was actually on its way out.

637
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:37.960
Oh was it okay?

638
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.599
By by twenty fifteen, Oh okay, no, it was like

639
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.759
that was that was when social media was was pretty

640
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.000
much clear that it was going to be the main thing.

641
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:46.559
Okay.

642
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.839
Blogs were a little bit more specialized, like you did,

643
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.240
not everybody had a blog, but people who like you know,

644
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.519
talked about stuff at length had blogs. Yeah, as opposed

645
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.119
to that little period when like everybody had a zanga,

646
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.279
you know, when they were still trying to figure out

647
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.839
like you know, MySpace and zanga and live journal.

648
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.960
Oh my god, live journal. But if I got by

649
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.240
by the Russians, it.

650
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:11.000
Did, of course it did. Everything does. But that's the

651
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.639
that's the hope for this show is that it'll get

652
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.920
bought out by the Russians and I can retire fat

653
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:22.519
and happy. But but if I remember correctly, that was

654
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.360
the era when blogs became like a thing you did

655
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.440
if you were really into a thing you are you

656
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.840
are correct, You can just have a blog because you were.

657
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.719
You, Yeah, And that was that was kind of the

658
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:38.320
point that Paul was making for his blog, was he

659
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.280
he was kind of like, you know, Alex is the

660
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.159
owner of hell House LLC, but you really get the

661
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:48.519
idea that Paul was kind of like the idea guy.

662
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.039
So Paul was like, oh, well, I'm going to record

663
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.639
a blog every night of like what we've been doing

664
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.679
so that our fans, our hell House fans, will you know,

665
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.119
be able to see it and see what we've got

666
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.559
planned for the next next year and has As he's recording,

667
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:08.760
he realizes that Sarah is just kind of wandering around, yeah,

668
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:14.840
and realizes that she's sleep walking, and she just walks

669
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.199
to one of the abandoned rooms and just stands stock

670
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:25.159
still in a corner, yeah, which is unsettling.

671
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.119
I'm a big fan of the like a person's just

672
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.320
standing there. Oh, it's a thing. I think it's fascinating.

673
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.840
I love like that's one of my favorite things. To

674
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.199
go back to one of the movies we talked about

675
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.480
a few weeks ago, Paranormal Activity. I love when she

676
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.400
just stands there looking at him, and then the timer

677
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.960
moves to tell you that she stood in the exact

678
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.199
same place staring for three or four hours, because that

679
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.519
we know, it's kind of like the whole thing where

680
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.960
like you watch a horror movie, somebody gets their head

681
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.079
cut off, You're like, oh, but then somebody cuts themself shaving.

682
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.199
You're like, oh god, no, okay, yeah, yeah, because.

683
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.320
You identify it's like you've had we've all had to

684
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.920
stand in one place for at least a whill. And

685
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.079
the reason I could say for a while is because

686
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.519
if you didn't stand in one place for two hours

687
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.559
is because you felt how uncomfortable it was. So you

688
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.119
did you Like you like, no, I'm gonna pace instead

689
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.800
of standing like this. Yeah, So it tells you, like

690
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.840
how unnatural it is for a human to just be

691
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.199
like dah da da, I'm gonna stand here and do nothing.

692
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.519
It's completely alien to almost everybody. Yeah, you know, unless

693
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.000
you're like a monk or something, or you're doing like

694
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.039
super super advanced tai chi. Yeah, so I love but

695
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.920
so I love that because it's a subtle thing and

696
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.840
it's something we do every day. It's just done in

697
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.440
a way we would never do. So it's really off putting.

698
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.599
Exactly. Yeah, no, it's great and this this movie is

699
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.880
full of that, which we will be getting to a

700
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:43.880
lot more soon.

701
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.519
Yeah.

702
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.199
But yeah, so, so Sarah at Night is acting a

703
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.360
little bit odd, and this is where like again being

704
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.239
not just a straight uh found footage, being more of

705
00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:00.639
it like a mockumentary things. As the documentary crew is

706
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.440
talking about the original Abadon Hotel and about Tully committing suicide,

707
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.719
they also explain that Joey, one of the crew members,

708
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.519
did survive the first like the first night with Sarah,

709
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.719
and then promptly committed suicide like a week later. So

710
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.880
like that's why Sarah is, you know, the only the

711
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.159
only person they can talk to is because even though

712
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.400
the one other person that did survive, like it was

713
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.639
so horrific that he couldn't.

714
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.519
Go on and and they and they they held that

715
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.639
back too for a little while and then eventually revealed it. Yeah,

716
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.039
because they were like the only survivor and then it

717
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.079
was like, well what about that? And they're like uh,

718
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.400
And then later we find out it's because they went

719
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.400
to find him again and he killed himself. Yeah, so

720
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.360
and and and whenever we've been seeing these the like

721
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.840
little hints of like that night, it's mostly just chaos

722
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.519
and then the cops in the fire department showing up

723
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.360
almost immediately and just trying to figure what the hell

724
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.119
is even going on? Why is everybody freaking out?

725
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:02.119
Yeah?

726
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.239
I love that because it keeps making me think, like,

727
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.039
what the hell is going on? What the hell is

728
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:06.440
going on?

729
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:11.400
And the fact that they keep calling it a catastrophic malfunction. Yeah,

730
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:17.039
also like really raises alarm bells because if it was like,

731
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:25.599
malfunction versus accident are two very different things. And I, yeah,

732
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.280
just calling it a malfunction, I I throughout the whole thing.

733
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:33.000
I was like, well, malfunction means that something was supposed

734
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.239
to go a certain way and it didn't.

735
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.760
Well, you also have to look at it this way.

736
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.039
Calling it a malfunction is a way of stating that

737
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.800
they did not find human error or malice or human malice.

738
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:46.800
Oh, exactly.

739
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.719
So if you think about it, if you die in

740
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.000
a haunt, since the function of the haunt was not

741
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.519
to kill you, that is a malfunction a very broad

742
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.400
definition of function though.

743
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.360
No, yeah, but I mean, like call that a malfunction.

744
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.360
If you get if you die on a set of stairs, malfunction,

745
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:11.000
if the stairs somehow killed you, then my definition is

746
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.480
a mau function. Yes, So what I mean is to

747
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.440
say that, like that they basically chose the most vague

748
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.960
answer to the problem they could because they had no

749
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.800
further answers. So well, it's a malfunction because like people

750
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.119
got hurt trying to get out and stuff, and they

751
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.079
weren't meant to not be able to get out, and

752
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.000
they weren't meant to trample each other to get out.

753
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.920
So it was a malfunction of the of the the

754
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.480
event or whatever, the haunt the attraction exactly. So. But

755
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.760
when we come back, we're going to talk more about

756
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.760
these weird fugue states they seem to be under and

757
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.639
how uh, Opening Night, which is coming right up, gets

758
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.400
pretty tense right.

759
00:39:50.239 --> 00:40:09.199
After this, as if sleepwalking friends is not enough. Once

760
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.719
Sarah finally starts to be sleeping throughout the night, then

761
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:22.599
they start hearing like disembodied screams and voices. And when

762
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.000
they like they're they're hearing these they're all sleeping like

763
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.519
up top. It's a hotel, so like the rooms are

764
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.599
like way on the top floor, and then there's the basement,

765
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.159
like the cellar area or whatever, and they're hearing the

766
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.159
noises come from the cellar and they've already started to

767
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.360
set up the basement for the haunt. And they go

768
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.679
and you know, they go down there with the camera

769
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.039
because of course you go down there with the camera.

770
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.559
Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean you're you're capturing them setting

771
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.679
everything up quickly and and and they're and they're also

772
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.239
like doing tech. You know, they're checking on what's working,

773
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.639
what's not. Because I think you're leading into one of

774
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.719
the big problems, which was that they were annoyed because

775
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.920
they got these mannequins that are dressed up and they're

776
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.840
not posable in quite the way they wanted, yea.

777
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.239
If I remember in correctly, Yeah, Like they wanted the

778
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.960
ones that you could like pretty much put in any position,

779
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:09.719
but these are.

780
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.599
Just like ones armiturized around.

781
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.920
Yeah, so they were kind of upset about that, and

782
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.719
they're also realizing that there are a lot of blind

783
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.119
spots in the security cameras too.

784
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.320
Oh yeah, And for those who are like huh, security

785
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.760
cameras are a major element of haunts because they need

786
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.000
to know, they need to have in a central space

787
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.159
how everything's going, where the guests are, to let the

788
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.199
haunt actors know when to scare them, when to hide,

789
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.719
when to jump out there. It's a whole system. So

790
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.000
you have to have as much coverage with cameras as

791
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.159
you can at the very least, so people can know

792
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.920
like high behind the door, like they're coming right up,

793
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.639
or you know, say go ahead and stay out there

794
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:54.519
already almost.

795
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.119
To you or exactly exactly. So as as that's part

796
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.639
of the reason that they are filming them is they're

797
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.079
also recording like, oh, this is an area where we're

798
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.960
supposed to have cameras, but it's not working. And as

799
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.199
he's filming, he realizes these stupid clowns that they were

800
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.320
so upset about are all have all been moved to

801
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.679
like a totally different corner.

802
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.719
Clown mannequins, clown mannikins.

803
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.079
So he gets really upset because they like they've they've

804
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.199
only got like a week left, and somebody's fucking around

805
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.800
and like moving these clown mannikins. So he puts them back,

806
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.639
and as he goes to talk to other characters, we

807
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:38.199
the viewers realize the mannequins have moved back to where

808
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.239
they were, yes, and they nobody else notices it until

809
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.679
they're done talking and yelling at each other about moving

810
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.079
these stupid mannequins and then turn and look and realize

811
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.239
they're back. And that's pretty freaky, Yeah, But it gets

812
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.920
worse because as they're freaking out and yelling at each other,

813
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.760
one of the new hires is just kind of like

814
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.280
standing off in the corner and they start yelling at him, like, look,

815
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.159
you need to start working if you're going to be

816
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.800
down here, start working, and he doesn't do anything, so

817
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.920
they walk off, and then they see him standing in

818
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:22.960
another room and freak out because he was just downstairs. Yeah,

819
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.039
and he would have had to like walk past them,

820
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.199
past them in the stairway to get up to this

821
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:29.280
other room.

822
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.079
Well, it's worth mentioning during that sequence, he's not just

823
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.639
standing there. He's like standing there looking like he's trying

824
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.360
to scare him, like trying to be creepy because he's

825
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.599
that's his gig. And the scene before we had just

826
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.639
met that guy, yeah, and he was like the most chill,

827
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.119
goofy dude who's just like, oh, it'll be cool doing

828
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.639
Haunt And then he's standing in his costume mm hmmm,

829
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.079
and he's like doing his scary stance is like the

830
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.119
Haunt stands and everything, and you know, it's like, dude, like,

831
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.159
give it, give it a break, like we're busy, Like

832
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.679
I like I got have to do. I'm just trying

833
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.400
to make sure everything's working. And yeah, sure enough, when

834
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.280
he goes back over, he sees him there and he's like,

835
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.880
how did you get over here? And he doesn't have

836
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.480
his mask on or anything. Yeah, you know, he's like,

837
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.400
how did you get over here? He's like I've been

838
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:15.679
sitting here. Yeah. And that's a great, low impact way

839
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.960
to creep the audience out.

840
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:18.199
It really is.

841
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.519
It's a solid way to make you go oh yeah,

842
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.599
because like that dude was standing there superimposing. But if

843
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.760
it was somebody you knew, even if you just met

844
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.880
him that day you hired him to work at a Haunt,

845
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.079
so you'd just be like, yeah, yeah, I know it's

846
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.000
fun and stuff, but like not right now, dude. When

847
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.960
he's standing there going like yeah, you'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah,

848
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.159
but get it later. It's fun, but like not right now,

849
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.960
but the moment you realize, like then, who the hell

850
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.320
is down there? And that's like such a great classic

851
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.639
spooky trope as just if you're here, then that's actually

852
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.440
like I feel like I got that the most from

853
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.840
like Looney Tunes. Wait, if you're up here, then then

854
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.239
who am I holding him? Or whatever? Yeah? It actually yeah,

855
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.519
it's more Scooby Doo. Yeah, but I always love those

856
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.079
gags and they're so simple, but they're very effective.

857
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.480
They really are. And that's what I like. You mentioned

858
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.599
paranormal activity and a lot of the scares in Hell

859
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.159
House LLC are similar in that they follow the less

860
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.119
is more formula, So it's you know, the camera is

861
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.920
trained on the characters and then you notice that something

862
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.400
in the background has moved or you know someone is

863
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:31.760
there and suddenly they're not the real simple like it

864
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.320
deeply psychologically unsettling things. Yeah, and and that you know

865
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:41.599
that that sequence with the clowns, the clown mannequins especially

866
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.039
got me thinking about like some of you are shorts.

867
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:50.559
Oh yeah, because you've relied on similar techniques before.

868
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.320
Yeah, I mean a bit. I mean with with Scary Clown,

869
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.360
which is short on YouTube that I directed a while back,

870
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.920
which was a really cool Halloween show, the clown you

871
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.880
wear the clown. The clown was just sitting standing in

872
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.920
the front yard and wasn't It wasn't so much pretending

873
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.320
to be a statue as people were assuming it was

874
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.639
a statue. Yeah, I feel like it was more of that,

875
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.440
because you know, it was just standing there. Because the

876
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.280
big gag was that after the trick or treaiors run

877
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.480
off and you see all these decorations and including the

878
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.400
clown standing and then the clowns had just turns and

879
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.360
you're like, oh, that's person, not a clown. But with

880
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.880
Christmas presence, which is the other one you were talking about, Yeah,

881
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.679
a Christmas horror film. That one. I took the old

882
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.800
urban legend of the clown statue right and turned it

883
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.880
into the Santa statue because I've always loved that. And

884
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.000
for those who don't know the old clown statue story,

885
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.280
it's really as simple as this babysitters at a house.

886
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.840
They have all these there. The person owns the house

887
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.159
is kind of eccentric, so they have like odd decorations

888
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.039
of some sort, depending on the version you hear, and

889
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.639
one of the things that they have a clown statue.

890
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.480
And then the big joke is like the baby starts

891
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.000
hanging out with the clown statue, scare them, you know,

892
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.599
startles them a few times, and then the phone rings

893
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.199
and they pick it up and it's the parents of

894
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.159
the kid that she's babysitting, and they're like, you know,

895
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:09.639
how's it going over there? And they're like, oh, honestly,

896
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.400
it's not too bad. You know, your kid's been great.

897
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.920
They've been asleep for like two hours, already, had had

898
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.400
some you know, ate some chips and and drank some

899
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.639
soda like you told me I could, And honestly, like,

900
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.239
the only thing that's been weird is just that that

901
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.000
clown statue and the den is just so creepy, but

902
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:25.719
like I know it's because I'm here alone, and like

903
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.480
the lights are off in there. And then the big

904
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.800
shock is when there's a long pause on the phone

905
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.239
and they go what clown statue? And in some versions

906
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.599
that's not that's the end, but not the full ending.

907
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.639
In some versions, it's just that that's never resolved, Like,

908
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.719
you know, they don't then get attacked by the clown

909
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.400
or whatever. They like go back in the room and

910
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.199
it's not there anymore, and that's the end of it.

911
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.519
It's just, well, what the hell was the clown statue then?

912
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.079
And then other versions it attacks you or whatever. And

913
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.119
we did the same kind of concept, but it was

914
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.000
that this family had this insane Christmas decoration, this room

915
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.519
full of Christmas decorations, and after you see that, to

916
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.920
the room off from all the Christmas decorations is just

917
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:09.880
this very creepy almost Michael Meyer's Santa Claus. And that's

918
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.000
the big gag, is like it keeps creeping her out.

919
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.800
She starts seeing it out of the corner of her

920
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.400
eye because she's like all creeped out. And then the

921
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.840
parents call and you know what, you know, just creeped

922
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.679
out by the Santa statue. What Santa statue? Because the decorations,

923
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.800
see before, there's no statues, there's no full size things.

924
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.800
It's just like miniatures.

925
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:28.360
Yeah.

926
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.000
Yeah, so you know, similar gag, except we had ours

927
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.840
end with the Santa throwing his red bag over top

928
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.519
of hers. She's she's trying to call the police and

929
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.519
then she gets scrapped by it. But yeah, that so

930
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.320
I mean ideas like having things move when you're not looking,

931
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.480
or thinking something's a statue when it's not. The the

932
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.320
not really a statue thing is just a generally a

933
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.320
very strong trope of Halloween for the last twenty years. Yeah,

934
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.639
the most popular decoration to scare people trigger treats at

935
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.960
your house is to have somebody pretend to be a statue.

936
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.039
And it's pretty easy once you're covered enough costume. So

937
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.320
I really want to do that. I did it one

938
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.800
year and I scared some kids so bad, and their

939
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.039
parents would like set them up for the scares too.

940
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.199
They were totally complicit it. It was really awesome. But

941
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.079
we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll talk

942
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.719
about the things that are far scarier than statues and

943
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.360
maybe some more freaky statues.

944
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:38.760
Right after this, things are escalating.

945
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.079
Yes, very well said.

946
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:49.519
And now things are unmistakably dangerous for the crew. But

947
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.920
Alex is still playing it off like, oh, well, you know,

948
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.400
I don't care about the figure that you saw in

949
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.639
the basement that you couldn't explain that guy's just a

950
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:10.079
prank stir. Okay, fine, it's fine, it'll be fine. But uh,

951
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.159
it's not fine because there's only three days left until

952
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.119
the big day. Everybody's stressed out. Nobody's like sleeping anymore.

953
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:27.559
They're all working all the time. And Alex doesn't think

954
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.599
there's anything wrong.

955
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.840
No, even though, have we even talked about the weird

956
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.360
things that are happening upstairs when the camera guys trying

957
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.000
to sleep.

958
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:40.000
We have, we've mentioned. All we've mentioned is that he

959
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.039
saw Sarah that that one time, but we haven't mentioned that.

960
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.239
Uh.

961
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.320
Yeah, he's still recording those blogs and creepy things are

962
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:54.280
still happening during them, like, uh, just creepy ghost lady

963
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.079
shows up while he's uh talking. And I love that

964
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.079
sequence because it took me back to being a kid.

965
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.039
Oh yeah, when you're scared and it's like the only

966
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.239
thing you have to comfort yourself as a blanket.

967
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.760
Yeah. At one point, he literally hides under the covers

968
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.559
because he's so taken, he's so startled by something creepy

969
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.239
while he's in bed. And so that's some of the

970
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.199
most effective like what I would call traditional found footage

971
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.360
scares in the film are are those sequences because what

972
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.719
happens is when he's filming his little vlogs, not blogs,

973
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:33.119
vlogs when there's video Mari, but when he's filming those,

974
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.679
often the doorway behind him is open, which makes sense.

975
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.719
It's an old place. It's probably stuffy as hell. You'd

976
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.480
want your doors open. It's not like it's a hotel

977
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.880
full of strangers. It's all your friends. And then whatever

978
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.000
evil menace is also there. So we get that moment.

979
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.840
We get these moments where we're like looking at the

980
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.960
door and sometimes nothing ever comes, and sometimes things come,

981
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.719
and sometimes they come immediately, and it is very scary.

982
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.800
And one of the times that there's just this like

983
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.400
ghost woman there, like that was really freaky to me.

984
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.360
I mean, it's just there right in front of him. Yeah,

985
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.039
you know, like that stuff really got to me. Man.

986
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.239
I agree, And I think the reason that it got

987
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.559
to me even more is because overall Paul's a generally

988
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.199
level headed guy, yeah, throughout the day, So it it

989
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:29.800
gets even more unsettling when you think, like, oh, this

990
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.760
guy is generally unflappable and it's getting to him. Yeah,

991
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:38.480
this bad which how Sarah doing because she's not doing

992
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.599
great either. She's back to sleep walking again, and this

993
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.360
time she's making it down to the basement and talking

994
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.119
in weird languages.

995
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.599
And while that's happening, we're also getting bits and pieces

996
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.480
of her interview with the documentary crew because it's still

997
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:05.960
a document yeah, and we're basically seeing them react to

998
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.559
the footage because she's she hands them the footage and

999
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.440
then they keep talking to her as we see the

1000
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.320
footage being shown. So like, while they're talking to her,

1001
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.000
only the editor you would assume, has watched the footage

1002
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.280
because he's the one editing it into the movie that

1003
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.960
you're watching, of sorts sort of. I mean, it's it's

1004
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.280
a little, like I said, they play a little fast

1005
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.719
and loose with it. But I think that just it's

1006
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.320
it's fun enough that it works. Yeah, I don't care,

1007
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.519
you know that it's a little silly. But so they're

1008
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.920
asking her questions, and you know, for the most part,

1009
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.760
her answers are either kind of poetically tragic given what

1010
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:41.440
all happened, very believable. You know. Well we always got along,

1011
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.079
you know, or I always believed in the stuff he

1012
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.840
was doing. I always loved working on the Haunts and

1013
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.880
stuff with him, and then it slowly becomes like what

1014
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.840
about this, I don't know? I just I don't know,

1015
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.400
And that stuff makes it even creepier that it's like,

1016
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.360
what do you mean you don't know? It's like I

1017
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.519
don't know. So that ends up playing into some of

1018
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.880
the better tension and suspense a little bit later on

1019
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:11.800
m But sorry Rachel Anderton, so but uh ya, yay,

1020
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:16.239
but no, but it's it's yeah, it's pretty it's pretty effective.

1021
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.400
But yeah, his his vlogging upstairs at night is pretty solid.

1022
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.920
I mean, here's weird noises and he's always checking things

1023
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.039
out and then but eventually it's just straight up like

1024
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.760
some kind of ghostly thing is after him.

1025
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:35.159
Yeah, it's clearly like tormenting him. Yeah, And and again

1026
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.239
that's why it's upsetting is because this is this is

1027
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:43.559
one of the guys that you know, Alex is sympathetic,

1028
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:49.679
but he's like really, really, really so obsessed with his business,

1029
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.880
which he's gotta be. Yeah, so like there's a there's

1030
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.719
a little bit there where you're like, oh, I can

1031
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.920
kind of see how like Alex is so focused on

1032
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.440
this that he can't see what's going on, and like

1033
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.719
Sarah she's deteriorating so rapidly, like she can't see what's

1034
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.440
going on. But but Paul is pretty level headed, and

1035
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.480
he's one of those people again holding the camera. He's

1036
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.760
kind of like the insert for the audience. So feeling

1037
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.039
like he's being targeted really made me feel like, oh,

1038
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.280
now the ghost he's coming after me too like that,

1039
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.800
which and obviously is what they want you to do.

1040
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.480
But yeah, but and and the idea that whatever is

1041
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.960
happening is coming for you is one of found footage's

1042
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.599
greatest strengths is that you become the filmmaker, and the

1043
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.039
filmmaker is oftentimes not always, but oftentimes the victim, yeah,

1044
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.239
or if they're not the victim to the perpetrator. And

1045
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.079
then it's making that's even worse in a way because

1046
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.880
it's making you complicit, which is kind of scarier in

1047
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.760
a lot of ways. But complicity doesn't even begin to

1048
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.519
cover what we're going to talk about. When we get back.

1049
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:18.760
Poor Paul hiding under the blankets from this creepy, creepy

1050
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:24.320
ghostly lady and you know, because he because he had

1051
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.239
been recording himself for the vlog, so he had set

1052
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.119
the camera down. We see him pull the blankets over

1053
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:31.880
his head.

1054
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:32.920
Yeah, and.

1055
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.920
He like he disappears, and the camera's still there, the camera,

1056
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.400
because again this is a lot about the camera recording

1057
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.719
things that the people in the movie can't see. The

1058
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:51.159
camera is still there, still filming. Everyone runs in because

1059
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.800
they've heard the commotion. They try to find Paul. They're

1060
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.800
running around looking for him, and they try to call

1061
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.960
his phone, and all they can hear is like a creepy,

1062
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.360
disembodied scream.

1063
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.400
If that Yeah, sometimes he just got nothing. Yeah, yeah, No,

1064
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:09.599
it's very unnerving.

1065
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.800
And then when they finally do find him, he's like

1066
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.559
almost on responsive. He's not comatose, but he's like.

1067
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.280
In it was just a fugue. Yeah, he's in like

1068
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.719
a fugue state. And they find him in the basement. Yeah,

1069
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.320
after not seeing him for a day or two. Yeah,

1070
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.800
which is a lot when you're like less than a

1071
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.000
week from opening him being gone for a day or

1072
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.320
two is a lot of very long time.

1073
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.599
But see, they they kind of play it off too,

1074
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.280
because Paul, even though he is rational, he's also one

1075
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.599
of those people that once he gets his hackles up,

1076
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.199
he has to cool down or he will explode. And

1077
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.639
he everyone knows this about him. All his friends know.

1078
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.599
So he's one of those people that if he's going

1079
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.920
to explode, he removes himself. And he's done this before,

1080
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.320
like Bugs Out.

1081
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.960
They mentioned that, like that, like at one of the

1082
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.159
other haunts that open, he like fucked off for a

1083
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.840
day or two near the open and then came back

1084
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.679
and came through. But he also Alex also kind of says,

1085
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.239
you know, this is just what he does. He's kind

1086
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.719
of a flake, you know. Yeah. So yeah, but I

1087
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.119
mean he literally was in the I mean, like how

1088
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.679
they were looking for him this whole time and he

1089
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.239
and then they find him in the basement, So I

1090
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.840
guess they just think he like snuck.

1091
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.119
In, yeah, you know without anyone noticing.

1092
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:26.559
Which maybe, I mean you could probably do that, but

1093
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:30.360
why then just sit there, barely reactive in the basement

1094
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.599
and then when they find you still kind of be

1095
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.920
barely there. It's yeah, it doesn't make a lot of

1096
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.239
sense from a not in a story sense, it's awesome.

1097
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.679
Yeah yeah, but a logical sense. Yeah yeah, and for

1098
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.840
me because I know I've mentioned it in you know,

1099
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.119
in other movies, like you kind of have to ask

1100
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.000
in a horror movie, like when do you if you

1101
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.320
were in this situation, when would you nope out? Yeah,

1102
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.599
And a lot of the team were on the same

1103
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.960
page as me, because like, if I saw my friend

1104
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.559
come back like that, I would not be okay. I

1105
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.119
would say we need to stop. I would think there's

1106
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.599
black mold and we are all going insane or something.

1107
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.280
And everyone else is on the same page. They're all like,

1108
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:21.400
we need to stop. But Alex, again, this is his livelihood,

1109
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.920
this is his business. His whole life is tied up

1110
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.119
in this. And while he's sitting there and like arguing,

1111
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.519
we do eventually find out that a lot of the

1112
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.000
crew do feel like beholden to him, like they can't leave.

1113
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:42.079
They're loyal to him, and you know, they're loyal to

1114
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.000
hell House and they're loyal to this industry, and you

1115
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.960
kind of get a feeling like if they back out

1116
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.639
on him, it's going to reflect poorly on them for

1117
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:57.119
a very long time. Yeah, so it's like, you can't,

1118
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.159
you can't just peace out like Paul just did.

1119
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.039
Yeah, No, that's that's really a very fair point.

1120
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.360
So but but yeah, that's for me personally. I would

1121
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.360
have been like, I'm sorry, Alex, I've got to go.

1122
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:20.840
But they don't. So now we're getting even closer to

1123
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:26.119
opening night, and everyone says you should stop. Alex says,

1124
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.760
the show must go on.

1125
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.360
And this is does I mean, it's it's his show.

1126
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.719
It's his show. The ringleader calls the shots.

1127
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:35.079
Yep.

1128
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.519
So now this is I thought this was great because

1129
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:44.039
we start getting basically like two or three different viewpoints.

1130
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:49.039
We get the cruise camera of behind the scene footage,

1131
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.920
we get the security footage of what's going on during

1132
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:56.599
the Haunt, and then we get the footage from all

1133
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:00.639
the different hauntgoers right that were there, and it's you know,

1134
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.599
we kind of jump between different views. And the actress

1135
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.079
is down in the basement. She's chained up. The Haunt

1136
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.760
actor that's supposed to be down there with her, and

1137
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.320
and like the whole plan was he's down there really

1138
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:16.360
to keep her safe.

1139
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.519
Yeah, well, just to make sure like nobody creeps on

1140
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.719
her or just violates her personal.

1141
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.480
Space exactly so, but he's there to scare.

1142
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.679
People well, and I think also because she, like everybody, now,

1143
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:31.880
none of them really want to be alone in that

1144
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.239
house or in that well house. It's more of a hotel,

1145
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.760
but nobody wants to be alone there because they've all

1146
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:37.800
seen some creepy.

1147
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.679
Stuff, and most importantly, for some reason, for authenticity's sake,

1148
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.599
they decide that this actress should actually be chained to

1149
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:54.159
the wall. Yeah, and so Joey is the only person

1150
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:59.639
with a key, because that's smart, that's really smart. And

1151
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:05.039
this is this is where you start to realize that

1152
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.199
I'm I'm the more I think about it, You're right,

1153
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:14.440
this is a malfunction because the tragedy that transpires with

1154
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:19.039
the Haunt actors is one thing. But the pandemonium that

1155
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.840
resulted in you know, fifteen other people dying could have

1156
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.960
been prevented if they had better walkie talkies, or if

1157
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.800
they could have been able to see all of the

1158
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:33.440
guests like they were supposed to.

1159
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.480
But that's stuff. Seemed to be ghost issues. The walkie

1160
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.320
talkies did not seem cheap. In fact, that was the

1161
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.519
thing that was pissing Alex off. But it also feeds

1162
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.360
perfectly into the story. Its people like these cheap walkie toyses.

1163
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.280
They're not cheap, and they've always worked. Yeah, why would

1164
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.320
they not work now? So you're right, But it also

1165
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.239
makes sense why that then they would just doubt him

1166
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.960
because he's cutting corners or and demanding that they not

1167
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.920
let go. So they're like, well, then I'm not going

1168
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.480
to believe that these the walkie talkies are fine. But

1169
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.960
there are bigger problems than cameras and walkie talkies, and

1170
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:05.920
we'll get to them right after this.

1171
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.519
So the haunts open.

1172
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.880
Yes it is, and it is packed, like jam packed.

1173
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.000
And and remember these are people now driving an hour

1174
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:28.840
out of New York City is not the biggest deal

1175
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.360
in the world. And they're also already highly populated places

1176
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.519
outside New York City that people live there already. So

1177
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:37.920
being west which you have to be Western New York

1178
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.480
because I you're Eastern New York, you're in the ocean.

1179
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:46.239
I would love to see that haunted house Poseidon's doom.

1180
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:47.599
I am terrified.

1181
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.159
Good good. You should have seen Odyssey then, because Poseidon

1182
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.719
is kind of the reason everything bad happens. I read

1183
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:58.840
a poem. They're just punk but no, uh no, so

1184
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.159
but so if you think, but like people in Westchester,

1185
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.840
in places like that, they are already out of the

1186
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:05.400
city and then they just have to drive an hour

1187
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.280
and easy drive into the country, right, So I could

1188
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.039
totally see them being able to get quite a few

1189
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.119
people to come out there and then of course, you know,

1190
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.559
the goal is that then word of mouth would cause

1191
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:18.800
even more people to come and then hopefully people from

1192
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:22.280
that Adirondack kind of area would kind of flood in

1193
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.519
as well. And you know, so yeah, my point is

1194
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.360
just that, like I remember being so like whoa the

1195
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.440
first time watch it, because I was like, damn, okay.

1196
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.079
So they're they're like they're legit, like they they can

1197
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.280
pack a haunted house, like people are into what they're doing,

1198
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.960
and they're throwing a big, big shin dig of sorts exactly.

1199
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:45.480
No, and it's it's clear that not only do they

1200
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.519
have a lot of fans, because you can see like

1201
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.400
through the footage that some of the people like are

1202
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.559
talking like, oh I wonder what's happening like this year,

1203
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:56.360
Like clearly they've been following.

1204
01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:56.800
Yeah.

1205
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.280
Yeah, but it also shows like he is good at marketing,

1206
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.679
he's good at pulling people in, he's good at getting

1207
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:05.559
a crowd.

1208
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:08.039
Well and imagine, I mean just take take put yourself

1209
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.519
in the mind of the fan of that, and you know,

1210
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.679
we're in the midst of of the Internet age at

1211
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:14.599
that point, you know, so like people could follow them

1212
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.039
on Facebook or Twitter or whatever at that point. Imagine

1213
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:19.960
you go to a haunt you live in in New

1214
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.400
York City and you go to a haunt super super good, right, yeah,

1215
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.679
you know, oh man, that was awesome, and it's like, well, unfortunately,

1216
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.960
you know, after whatever many years we've done it here,

1217
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:29.920
we're closing down and we're moving to a new location,

1218
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.400
which is an actual haunted hotel on the outskirts of

1219
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:35.400
New York Good.

1220
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.880
No, yeah, like my brain would explode.

1221
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:40.480
Yeah, it would. It would be a lot easier to

1222
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.280
get quite a few of those people to drive out

1223
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:47.599
for that. Yeah. So that's that's also clever marketing to

1224
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:52.880
And meanwhile, everything about that would be infinitely cheaper. Yeah,

1225
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.000
and I bet you that that that that hotel is

1226
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.960
way bigger than whatever they were using in New York too,

1227
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.320
because everything is per square foot, everything's expensive as hell.

1228
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.199
So it's it's actually really clever because when yeah, when

1229
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:04.480
you think of it that way, it's like that would

1230
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:06.400
be the scuttle But the scuttle butt would be they're

1231
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.000
opening a new place at a supposedly actually haunted place

1232
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:13.079
in this like nowhere town outside of the city. We

1233
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:16.039
gotta go, man, each weekend or you off work, you know.

1234
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:18.440
Exactly, like I'm taking my time off right now.

1235
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.280
Yeah, yeah, I'm calling my boss right now and tell

1236
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:23.840
them I hate him. So it's it's it's a solid

1237
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.280
but yeah, there's something to me that was really awesome

1238
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.719
about seeing that crowd. Unfortunately, then awesome and then you remember,

1239
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.519
oh right, it's about to go really really bad.

1240
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.760
I know how this story ends, yeah.

1241
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:36.760
Because it was at the beginning.

1242
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.039
Oh no, uh oh oh no.

1243
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.079
So yeah, yeah, so they're getting ready to start up

1244
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.840
the haunt. They've got everything kind of set up. They're

1245
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.159
still having walkie talkie issues they're having most of the time.

1246
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.599
The cameras seem to be fine, which makes sense because

1247
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.199
they would the walkie talkies they put up with, but

1248
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.519
they'd never put up with the cameras not working, yeah,

1249
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.280
because it would just make it impossible to scare, to

1250
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.559
do the scares. It's also a pretty gory haunted house.

1251
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.000
Like a lot of the stuff was pretty nasty, Like

1252
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.639
the dining area of the hotel. They put like plates

1253
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.639
with like you know, plastic human body parts and stuff

1254
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:13.159
on it. Stuff. So I mean it's it's more of

1255
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.079
an adult haunt than a kid haunt, you know, or

1256
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.239
a family haunt would probably a better way to put it.

1257
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.920
So it's yeah, it's it's it's a huge, huge event,

1258
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.920
and it looks like all of their hard work and

1259
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:33.280
effort and sticktuitiveness is going to pay off, which would

1260
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.000
be nice after everything they've been through and the creepy

1261
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.039
things they've seen and the creepy things they've experienced, and

1262
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.159
you know, people going into fugue states and people disappearing

1263
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.760
and then reappearing and then speaking yeah yeah, or speaking

1264
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.199
barely at all, which is I don't know which is worse.

1265
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.760
So you know, it's it's looking like they're they're pulling

1266
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.960
it together. And this is the reason I love that

1267
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.519
reveal where everybody shows up is because normally when you

1268
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.599
tell a story like this, not a whole but a

1269
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.679
story about like people banding together and making a business

1270
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.719
and trying to do this stuff and there's adversity and problems,

1271
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.280
but the guy who had the vision for it really

1272
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.840
sticks to it and that makes it all come together,

1273
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.199
and then you see the fruits of that, like, oh man,

1274
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.800
people actually showed up. Usually that is the big win

1275
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.840
of the story. It's like, oh my gosh, this is

1276
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:29.159
a story about spirit wrong word gumption and hard work.

1277
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:34.119
Moxie's a great word for it, you know, coming to terms.

1278
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:39.119
But instead, as we already know, it is going to

1279
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:45.720
be the downfall, the entire downfall. Yeah, is that on

1280
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.279
top of everything, so many people showing up is the

1281
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:52.640
worst thing that could possibly happen. And we'll talk all

1282
01:08:52.680 --> 01:09:08.039
about how bad it is right after this. I want

1283
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.560
to mention real quick, when we were talking earlier about

1284
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.640
mannequins moving and you know, kind of what's creepier a

1285
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.760
mannequin moving or a mannequin only moving when you're not

1286
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:23.000
looking kind of deal. It's kind of like this big

1287
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:24.920
reveal that like all these people show up and they

1288
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:26.800
realize like, oh man, we're going to be a success.

1289
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.000
But we already know because of the whole purpose of

1290
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.359
the mockumentary that it goes horribly.

1291
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:34.800
Yeah.

1292
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:41.159
That is literally Hitchcock's description of of suspense perfectly.

1293
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.279
Oh it is so for.

1294
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.439
Those who don't remember, and for possibly Rachel who may

1295
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.800
be pretending she remembers. No, but Hitchcock always said that

1296
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:55.039
when you in a film, when you have somebody walk

1297
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.039
into a restaurant and ignite a bomb and the restaurant

1298
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:03.640
blows up, you have scared the audience for four seconds.

1299
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.399
But when you have somebody come into the restaurant and

1300
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.479
sit down and then you show the bomb in the

1301
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.960
bag by their legs, and then they have lunch with

1302
01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:17.079
someone and have a conversation and you see that ticking

1303
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.039
clock on it, you have them in utter horror for

1304
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:25.880
two minutes. And that's suspense. When people know something is

1305
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.720
about to happen, then they're waiting for it. It's better suspense.

1306
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:37.279
Similarly with like seeing the the the whatever, the mannekin move, yeah,

1307
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.680
versus not seeing it move. It's all about the audience.

1308
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:44.119
If the audience saw it move or realized it was

1309
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.279
not in place. And we're unlike the character, we're positive

1310
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:49.800
that it wasn't there before. We're the ones in fear

1311
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.359
because we're the ones who know, like they're something's not right. Yeah.

1312
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.439
But with this it's very similar. So you immediately find

1313
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.159
yourself tense because as they're they're having this And I

1314
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:03.000
really do think in hindsight that it is like that

1315
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:05.760
victory of like, oh man, all of this is paying off.

1316
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.000
All these people showed up. They're freaking amped for what

1317
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.399
we're doing. And literally the opening of the movie was

1318
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.479
and so many people were there and when trying to

1319
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.800
stay they were trampled and there was the horrible thing

1320
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.640
and it was deemed a malfunction.

1321
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:21.560
You know.

1322
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.960
That's that's something. So I just wanted to mention that

1323
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:27.760
I think that's such a great way to go. And

1324
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:29.720
it's one of the reasons why that kind of cold

1325
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.760
open I forget the Latin term for it, that like

1326
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:36.520
open express something like that medius immedius rests or something. Yeah,

1327
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.159
the idea of seeing a scene earlier. Although this isn't

1328
01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.520
literally this is literally a cold open because when you

1329
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:44.000
do immedius rest, it's literally showing you a segment from

1330
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.279
a scene. Yeah, and then for no apparent reason, you

1331
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.119
see it and then you just at the beginning now, yes,

1332
01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:52.359
so you're waiting to see that moment happen and what

1333
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:54.439
led to that moment, and then that moment does happen,

1334
01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:57.359
as where this was actually presenting on purpose saying like

1335
01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:59.720
this is what happened. Now we're going to show you

1336
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.439
like what could have caused it. Yeah, So it's a

1337
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:05.520
little bit more purposeful to the story as opposed to

1338
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.239
being more of a of a of a you know,

1339
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.760
I don't know a design tool for the audience only,

1340
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:13.600
it feeds the story as well.

1341
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.720
Absolutely so.

1342
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:16.880
But but because of that, Yeah, as soon as they're

1343
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:18.840
getting there, like okay, so for real, when is this

1344
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:22.359
gonna go really really bad? And we also they also

1345
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:26.560
don't give us entirely how it went really bad. We

1346
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.760
get pieces here and there. We just know a lot

1347
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.520
of people died and a lot of people got hurt,

1348
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:35.199
but they don't immediately say like, and then this is

1349
01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.399
why everybody did whatever. So we're also just waiting with

1350
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.479
baited breath to find out, okay, so what what happened? Yeah,

1351
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:45.359
exactly that caused all of this, and other elements feed

1352
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:47.279
into it too. You know, when a character, any of

1353
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.800
the characters, not just the whole team, going yay, we

1354
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:52.159
did it, we saved the rec center like in some

1355
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.840
like eighties movie. It's not just that either. It's like

1356
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.039
when a character you know, says a funny line or

1357
01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:02.079
talks to like the Q actress girl and she's kind

1358
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:04.880
of like receptive to them. When you're hearing those things,

1359
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.039
you awe, You're like, they're dead, they're all dead. They're

1360
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:10.199
all no, no, they're not just all dead. They're going

1361
01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:12.359
to die and you're gonna see it and you're like,

1362
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:17.199
damn okays kicking dirt and walk it away. So that's

1363
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.119
and that's that's kind of my point about why I

1364
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:21.319
really love I've talked about it way longer than I

1365
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.079
should have, but like why I love the idea of

1366
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.840
seeing that huge crowd ready to go and now they're

1367
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:29.199
they're they're letting people in.

1368
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.560
Mm hmm. And you mentioned that this was like a

1369
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:41.520
pretty gory and adult haunt. Yeah, relatively relatively, So that

1370
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:46.399
makes it even more terrifying as an audience member because

1371
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.840
that means that all the haunt goers are primed for

1372
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.319
when things do start going wrong, they're not going to

1373
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.520
suspect that it's actually going wrong.

1374
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.840
Well, and they're told it's like the scariest haunt experience ever,

1375
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.920
which is any good mark would tell you that.

1376
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.279
That's what you should say. If you don't say that,

1377
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.560
you're not doing your job as a haunt marketer.

1378
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.119
Yeah, probably, And honestly, like we like, a lot of

1379
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.439
the haunt doesn't even look that good, which I think

1380
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.840
is kind of funny. I know that in the back

1381
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.399
of your mind it's like, maybe this guy's better at

1382
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.479
selling haunts than he is doing them. But then again,

1383
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.319
he did make the most memorable haunt in the history

1384
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.479
of the world. Because if that had really happened.

1385
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.279
And no one would ever stop talking about it.

1386
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:28.159
Because remember, in the world of urban legends and folklore,

1387
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.159
it's never happened, like like a bunch of people have

1388
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:33.760
never died at a haunt and then it had to

1389
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.680
be shut down by the county. It's never happened, and

1390
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.159
it's spread all over America as like a hush story.

1391
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.279
So imagine how it would be everywhere if it actually happened.

1392
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.479
Considering what it doesn't happen, everyone hears about it.

1393
01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:50.159
We'd never shut up about it.

1394
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.600
No, and it's during the Internet age, yeah, I mean,

1395
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:54.720
everybody would be posting about it. There'd at least be

1396
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:56.720
a few selfies where people would be like whoa like,

1397
01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:59.279
didn't you know, lol, didn't realize this selfie was going

1398
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.239
to be, you know, moments before the disaster at hashtag

1399
01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:07.560
hell house, hashtag abadon hotel or whatever, you know, hashtag

1400
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:10.880
smiley face or whatever they do, hashtag god. That would

1401
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.399
have been yolo time. Why do you have to bring

1402
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.000
that up? Why'd you want to hurt everyone with that

1403
01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.079
kind of that kind of thing. It's a little bit

1404
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:22.600
it's a little bit harsh, but but as people are.

1405
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:24.920
The other thing is so now we've got this large

1406
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.600
turnout in the place open and it's getting it's getting

1407
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:31.840
pretty out of control. Yeah, I mean, there's just so

1408
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.720
many people and they're trying to get them through. And

1409
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.319
we've been to haunts before. It is chaotic, it is.

1410
01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.560
And then some of the best haunters are the people who,

1411
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.600
like when they're running the lines, they're very calm and

1412
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.960
easy going. They're just kind of like, it'll be when

1413
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.000
you can If you guys want you could be a

1414
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.680
group of six, then you'll get in faster. But if

1415
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:48.479
you too want to go by yourselves, that's fine too.

1416
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:51.359
Like just know, you know, they're they're trying their best

1417
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:54.399
to not to not freak out because you know, people

1418
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.119
and especially people get drunk, you know, and and and

1419
01:15:58.199 --> 01:15:59.960
it gets to be a pain. But we have all

1420
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.800
these people in there, and now as people are pushing

1421
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.840
through the haunt and we're seeing everybody trying to like

1422
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.359
keep the haunt going and do their groove and get

1423
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.600
in their their flow, we head to the basement where

1424
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.000
things go awry worse than you could ever imagine, and

1425
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.399
we'll tell you all about it after this.

1426
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.560
Let me ask you a question. No, oh okay, well

1427
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:43.399
that answer is that by everybody. So what's something if

1428
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.840
you were at a haunt? What's something you just absolutely

1429
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.359
would not want to see under any circumstances?

1430
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.039
Scientology, literature?

1431
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:55.920
Oh yeah, that's a good one.

1432
01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:00.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably that about.

1433
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:02.239
The Church of Latter day Saints.

1434
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:04.119
They're not going to be there.

1435
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:06.840
Oh yeah, not enough ice cream.

1436
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:11.119
That's funny. Yeah, but no, no, I mean what things

1437
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:12.439
I wouldn't want to see? I mean I wouldn't want

1438
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.760
to see people actually get hurt. Yeah, I wouldn't want

1439
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:22.600
to Yeah, I mean see, the thing is I had, like,

1440
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:24.960
I think I know where you're going with this. But

1441
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.079
the reason I can't go with you on that is

1442
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.439
because if I saw you're talking about when the haunt

1443
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.000
guy is like getting had to he's heading out of dodge. Yeah.

1444
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:37.640
The reason that that wouldn't freak me out is because

1445
01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.239
I just anything a haunt actor does, I'm going to

1446
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:42.159
assume is to scare me. So if they run out

1447
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:44.399
going like Jesus Christ, like they killed her for real

1448
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.520
or something like that, I would just be like, right, sure,

1449
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:49.560
that's what I would do because he's a lot actor.

1450
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:51.840
But that's kind of proves my point though, is that's

1451
01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:56.119
exactly what happens. Is the guy who's down there, he's

1452
01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:58.760
the only person with the key to get out the

1453
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.239
poor Haunt actor that's half naked and chained down in

1454
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:10.000
the basement. He runs books it at a dodge, screaming,

1455
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.640
and all of the hauntgers like somebody's recording and they're like,

1456
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.680
what's that and they start talking like I wonder what

1457
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:21.760
he's doing. And that's that's the beauty of well, the

1458
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:26.840
beauty and the horror of this situation is everybody's primed

1459
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:31.279
for this is entertainment, and so it's kind of like

1460
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.720
the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf sort of thing. They

1461
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:41.039
don't realize that what's happening with the Haunt actress is

1462
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:42.600
really real until.

1463
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.800
It's the guy running away.

1464
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.840
But you so I didn't say why he was running.

1465
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.720
So as they so this guy runs the opposite direction

1466
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:56.119
of the crowd. They're going down the stairs into the basement,

1467
01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:00.880
and as they peek around the corner, the start hearing

1468
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:05.479
this bloody screaming coming from the haunt. Bloody screaming, Oh,

1469
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.359
bloody scream screaming, bloody murder, screaming bloody murders.

1470
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:09.760
I know what you're getting to, what you're going for.

1471
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:10.920
I just want to.

1472
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.399
Words are hard, Okay, I know.

1473
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.279
I'm actually way better with words day than I thought.

1474
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:17.359
You took it from me.

1475
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:21.880
Yep, darn Tuton. Check the back of your mouth for holes.

1476
01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.239
I have the Burrows. I like that show on Netflix

1477
01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:25.560
so far.

1478
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:29.760
But anyway, so they pick around the corner. They hear

1479
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:35.159
her screaming, and a hooded figure is like towering over

1480
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.720
her and start stabbing her. And at first the crowd

1481
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:44.479
is like, ah, this is great, and then she like

1482
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:45.920
starts screaming, this is real.

1483
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.560
Well, and when you mentioned people being primed, by the way,

1484
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.600
do you remember scare Tactics on the Sci Fi Channel?

1485
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:55.479
It was like the ultimate horror prank show. They would

1486
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.960
they would make They would do like movie level pranks,

1487
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:03.039
you know, like levitating ghosts and all this crazy stuff,

1488
01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.600
and they would film insert shots to make it look

1489
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.359
more like a movie. But the reactions were legitimate, and

1490
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.199
they did some really cool stuff with special effects and

1491
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:16.479
all these things. But I for for years had said,

1492
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.399
like if I ever pulled a knife on someone and

1493
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:20.600
tried to like kill them, and was like stalking them

1494
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.319
and chasing them down. I would literally if I got

1495
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:24.960
tired of chasing them, I would just when they were

1496
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.479
like stuck behind a door or whatever, I'd be like,

1497
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.920
are you scared? You shouldn't be, You're on scare tactics.

1498
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.680
And when they opened up, oh, I just stab him

1499
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.680
in the heart. I always thought for years, I was

1500
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:34.880
like I should put that in a movie, you know,

1501
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:36.960
or something like, because that would be the easiest way

1502
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:40.479
to get them. Once that became known, you're on scare tactics. Ah,

1503
01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.239
and then they just actually kill them. It's like, well

1504
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:43.720
that was easy. All I had to do was diffuse

1505
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:44.319
you completely.

1506
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:45.399
Man.

1507
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:49.760
You remember punk of course, I remember Punked. Everybody remembers Punked.

1508
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:52.560
PUNKD was way bigger than Scared really was. Punked was

1509
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.520
everyone because they were constantly pranking celebrities. They only did

1510
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.560
a few celebrities on scare Tactics, and they didn't take

1511
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.760
it so good, some of them just saying I mean,

1512
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.520
some people got real mad because they were scared really bad.

1513
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:11.840
But anyway, so this ghostly cultist murders Melissa the the

1514
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:15.600
haunt actress who's been chained for real in the basement,

1515
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:20.640
and now there's just a stampede of guests, and it

1516
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.159
is it's not it's it's pretty brutal.

1517
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:27.800
I mean, I think mayhem is a good word for that.

1518
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:31.199
Yeah, And and and meanwhile, I mean, you know we

1519
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:34.319
had so Tony ends up dying trying to help Melissa,

1520
01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:40.319
which doesn't you know, do any good. And then in

1521
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:43.920
the whole like crazy panic I think it was Mac

1522
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:47.560
and Sarah find each other. Yeah, and they end up

1523
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.239
running away to try and get away from the chaos,

1524
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.039
doing the thing where they went further into the place

1525
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:56.119
instead of out of it because it was the only

1526
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:57.359
way to get away. So they go up to like

1527
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.399
the attic, I think, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, they go

1528
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:04.039
all the way up. But when they get there, they

1529
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:09.479
find Alex and he's hanging. He's hung himself. He's hanged himself.

1530
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.560
I keep forgetting that hanged is the proper term, when

1531
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:15.479
it's that he's hanged himself, much like that coltist who

1532
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:21.119
started the place. And I liked that dichotomy because they

1533
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.119
had suggested that the coltiest once his place was ruined,

1534
01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.239
the reputation was ruined and it couldn't run anymore. He

1535
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:33.000
killed himself, and now his haunt is ruined by whatever

1536
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.079
you know is transpiring, because we have the smoke hasn't

1537
01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.960
cleared yet, so he's hung himself. Now hanged himself. But

1538
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.319
I think that I took it more as like the

1539
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.199
ghost did that to him as a symbol to kind

1540
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.119
of like to put it, to stick it to him

1541
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.319
and them for trying to take their place and make

1542
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:50.920
a joke out of it or whatever. That was the

1543
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:52.800
vibe I got from it.

1544
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:55.119
No, I get that. I get that vibe because it

1545
01:22:55.239 --> 01:23:03.000
seems like the ghost, the ghostly present, just wanted them

1546
01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:05.600
to get out. I wanted to just be left alone.

1547
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.000
I think it wanted some of them to stay forever.

1548
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.439
I guess that is the problem. I guess that is

1549
01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.640
the problem, is how long you stay? Yeah, But no,

1550
01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:22.960
and and I absolutely agree that the the way that

1551
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.359
Alex hanged himself, I feel like that was the ghost

1552
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.159
taking like taking control of him.

1553
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:32.840
Yeah. And and after we see all of that revealed,

1554
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:42.039
we go back to now time the documentary, and that's

1555
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.039
where things start to get really interesting. We'll talk about

1556
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:46.159
that in just a moment.

1557
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:05.560
The footage of the pandemonium wraps up, and we're back

1558
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.520
at the hotel in the in the in the in

1559
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:09.640
the interview hotel.

1560
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.520
Yeah, well we're in the Yeah. Yeah, that is confusing

1561
01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:14.359
because there's a hotel too. Well, and I was I

1562
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.399
was actually just gonna correct because they weren't a hotel room.

1563
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.439
They're in like a conference room interviewing her. You're right,

1564
01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:22.680
I'm just saying. But then when you said the other hotel, oh, yeah,

1565
01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:26.760
because the hell house is a hotel. So no, I'm

1566
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:27.960
with you. I just thought it was funny. I was

1567
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.239
correcting a totally different thing. I was like, well, not

1568
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:31.920
a hotel room, but a place in a hotel.

1569
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.159
Yes, they're in a room in a hotel. That's not

1570
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:36.319
a hotel room.

1571
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:40.000
I mean, we we've already covered all of this. I

1572
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:41.800
don't know why we need to cover it more.

1573
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:47.199
But she tells Diane that she escaped from the attic,

1574
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:52.680
but Tony wasn't able to. She got away just as

1575
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:58.560
the police arrived, and she doesn't know like kind of

1576
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.880
what happened after that because she was pretty shaken up.

1577
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:07.159
But she's pretty tired now and she needs to take

1578
01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:07.560
a rest.

1579
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:08.279
Well, she's upset.

1580
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.920
Yeah, she's it's yeah, and the and they do even

1581
01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:13.920
say like, we're so sorry, we really did push you pretty.

1582
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:15.000
Yeah, tell her like you can take a break, you

1583
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.000
can take any break you want. Yeah. They even hot

1584
01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:18.720
for to get her a room at the hotel they're

1585
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:20.119
interviewing her at. They're like, would you like us to

1586
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:21.840
book you a room and you can just rest and

1587
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:22.920
we'll talk in a little while.

1588
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:24.880
Yeah, And she's like, no, it's fine, I already have

1589
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:27.840
a room. You can find me in Room to See

1590
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:34.399
And that's pretty interesting. But as they're sitting there talking

1591
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:38.920
and and it's clearly been a little while, but Sarah

1592
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.000
hasn't come back, so they try to find the room

1593
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:44.840
and they can't find it. They go down to the

1594
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:48.359
front desk and ask where Room to See is and

1595
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:52.600
they say well, they ask okay, that's right, and they're

1596
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:57.119
like there is. There's no letters in our room numbers.

1597
01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:01.720
And they're like, well, that's weird because Sarah Hale said

1598
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.560
that she was checked in here.

1599
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:05.640
Yeah. But they're not even that freaked out. They're like, oh,

1600
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:07.800
maybe she just misspoke, Like we just want to call

1601
01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:11.479
Sarah Hale's room. Yeah, and they're like they look around

1602
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.560
at nobody named Sarah is staying here right now.

1603
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:20.079
Yeah, so that's kind of a disappointment that they can't get,

1604
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.680
you know, a finished statement from Sarah. But that's not

1605
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.000
going to stop Diane because well, let's just go to

1606
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.399
the abandoned hotel ourselves.

1607
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.960
Because she's a go getter with middle management written all

1608
01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:39.720
over and quote office case. So Diane and Jonathan decide

1609
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:42.880
to visit to go back to Abbadon Hotel, which, uh,

1610
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:44.840
because she's just kind of like we could go there,

1611
01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.960
like no one will notice that we're there. It's like

1612
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.119
late and yeah, it'll be late soon, like nobody's gonna know.

1613
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.600
We can just try and get something more, especially since

1614
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.079
they don't have Sarah possibly anymore. I think it's interesting too,

1615
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:01.600
Like while the Alex character is obsessed with his haunt

1616
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.239
and getting it nailed, the documentary crew is like way

1617
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:06.960
more balanced for the most part, don't get me wrong.

1618
01:27:07.119 --> 01:27:09.479
Like Diane becomes obsessed with like no, no, let's take

1619
01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.479
some risks to get it. But she's not like I

1620
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.960
can't believe Sarah ran off, like we have to find her,

1621
01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.560
like whatever. They're like, No, she was really upset, Like

1622
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.039
I get it. She just didn't want to do this anymore.

1623
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:21.279
And I don't blame her, you know, like she's not

1624
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:24.920
like it's interesting that dichotomy, like it's similar but very different.

1625
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.680
So they're gonna go back to the hotel, and meanwhile,

1626
01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.640
their editor is going to stay behind and keep cataloging

1627
01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:38.159
the footage we've been watching from Sarah. Yes, and it's

1628
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.399
this is where, in my opinion, I think in most

1629
01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:44.359
people's opinion because it's the beginning of the big ending,

1630
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.079
but this is where I felt like the film really

1631
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:51.840
like hooked me deep like and made me go, Okay,

1632
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:53.760
I think I'm gonna be really like, I'm gonna really

1633
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:55.199
be happy when this movie's over. I think it's going

1634
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.880
to really be a good ending. Because the moment that

1635
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.720
there's no room to see, I am immediately did you

1636
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:02.359
have the same thought, the immediate thought that that was

1637
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.680
the room number at the Abaddon Yeah, that was my

1638
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:06.199
first thought too, was I was like, that's a room

1639
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:11.520
at the Abadan Hotel. Crap. But speaking of the Hitchcock rule,

1640
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:15.760
this is a perfect example of the Hitchcock rule. So

1641
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.800
they take off to go to the Abaddon Hotel and

1642
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:22.800
Mitchell looks through Sarah's footage, and he finds footage after

1643
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:29.399
Mac has died where Paul is possessed mm hmm, and

1644
01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:35.079
he he murders Sarah on camera like she is clearly murdered,

1645
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:39.399
and then he slits his own throat, which kind of

1646
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:45.760
makes sense because no one actually said that there were

1647
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:51.880
any survivors per se, except Sarah. Sarah came to them,

1648
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.079
was like, I'm the only survivor of the Abadon thing.

1649
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.439
I don't think the police ever said in any of

1650
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.560
the little like pieces snippets. Then, I don't think anybody

1651
01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.840
said there were I mean, nobody said anything about survivors

1652
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:04.960
because if there were none, they would never They wouldn't

1653
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:06.479
say and there were no survivors. No, well you just

1654
01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:09.359
said fifteen people died. You don't say, you don't add

1655
01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:11.720
and no survivors. You only bring it up if there

1656
01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:12.199
isn't it, you know.

1657
01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:12.560
Yeah.

1658
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.079
Yeah, So, so he's witnessed this, which now tells us

1659
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:18.560
who the hell is Sarah? But it's Sarah, for sure.

1660
01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.600
It's her. It's not an impostor or something. They didn't

1661
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.760
pull a you know, a daytime soap opera and have

1662
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:26.920
her have a twin sister or something, although that would

1663
01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:32.840
have been kind of funny. So now talking about Hitchcock's suspense. Now,

1664
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:37.319
Diane and cameraman Jonathan, they've broken into the abbott On

1665
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:40.800
Hotel and they're trying to see if they can kind

1666
01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:44.079
of gather any more information about what happened. And the

1667
01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:49.119
whole time they're walking around this dark, gross place that

1668
01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:53.119
is half real gross and half fake haunt gross, and

1669
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.600
half wrecked by cops searching it. Her phone is ringing

1670
01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:02.119
and it's Mitchell trying to tell them Sarah's dead. How

1671
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:07.119
were we interviewing Sarah all day? She's dead and they're

1672
01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:10.199
not taking the call. In fact, she's just annoyed. She's like,

1673
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.159
why did he just like he knows where You're trying

1674
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.640
to do this real quick and we're not supposed to

1675
01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:17.479
be here. Just leave a voicemail and that's That's the

1676
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.680
perfect suspense. You know something and they don't, and it's

1677
01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.640
coming to get you, and it will right after this.

1678
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:43.840
So Diane refuses to answer her phone because she needs answers.

1679
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:47.680
Well, yeah, I said that before the break, but sure, people,

1680
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:48.119
you know.

1681
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.880
It's like you return from the commercial break and the

1682
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:54.880
characters say the thing they just said, so you remember,

1683
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.840
do they do that, not anymore, but they used to.

1684
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:00.560
Go on.

1685
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:10.039
And caraman. Jonathan, to his credit, pretty quickly starts insisting

1686
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:14.720
that this is a very bad idea, yeah, and we

1687
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:19.119
should leave. But Diane does not want to hear it.

1688
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:25.000
And she's so excited seeing like blood on the walls,

1689
01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:28.840
and she's even like, we don't even know if this

1690
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:33.239
is real blood or not. And Jonathan's like, that's not

1691
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:39.000
a good thing, no, And she keeps leading them further

1692
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:45.520
and further into this haunted hotel until they go down

1693
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:51.239
to the basement. Of course they do, and things start

1694
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:56.600
moving around and they start hearing things, and then.

1695
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.800
They I really don't remember them going downstairs. I just

1696
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:02.520
remember when they went to the second floor and found

1697
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:02.840
the room.

1698
01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:06.520
Oh they did find the room. No, sorry, see I

1699
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:08.319
was getting myself mixed up.

1700
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.600
Oh with your with your transcript with my transcri. Yeah,

1701
01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.279
they went up to the second floor and that's when

1702
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.119
they realized there was a room labeled to Susie. And

1703
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:20.319
they're like, oh, and it has a little lock from

1704
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:22.079
the outside, not a big lock. It was one of

1705
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:25.760
those little hook and loop hot locks was but it

1706
01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.560
was on the outside, which would suggest that whoever's in

1707
01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.119
there couldn't have done that exactly, which is a nice touch.

1708
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:35.399
It doesn't really matter that much except that it's impossible

1709
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.199
for the person in there. There has to have been

1710
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:41.560
somebody else or something else involved. Right. So they opened

1711
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:45.640
the door and Sarah is sitting in the room on

1712
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.479
the bed with her back to them, and Diana and

1713
01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:53.239
Jonathan realized things are not right, and she turns out

1714
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:58.479
to be this like ghoulish thing. Yeah, and she attacks them,

1715
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.079
and as they're trying to get away or whatever, two

1716
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.520
cultists kind of similar to what we'd seen appear before

1717
01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:11.079
show up and they take away our hapless documentarians.

1718
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:14.600
Yeah, and that's all she wrote.

1719
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:18.159
That's all she wrote. Sorry, Rachel wanted to to She

1720
01:33:18.279 --> 01:33:20.600
was like being like chat GBT and like hallucinating a

1721
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:21.680
different ending for fun.

1722
01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:26.760
It's good to have hobbies. No, I really got myself

1723
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:28.760
mixed up with that earlier in the movie.

1724
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:32.359
Uh huh, don't believe her, kids, No, But so, I mean,

1725
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:34.840
and that is that is the chilling ending of Hell

1726
01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:37.399
else LLC. And it's a really strong ending. I mean,

1727
01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:40.600
having Sarah be a ghost is such a cool twist.

1728
01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:43.279
I know that some people would say it's been done

1729
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:44.680
a lot, but it hasn't been done like that.

1730
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:45.520
Yeah.

1731
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:47.520
Yeah, So I thought it was great. I mean, and

1732
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:52.159
the rules being established, like they were filming her, but

1733
01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:54.520
she was a ghost, so I guess ghosts can be filmed,

1734
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:56.439
you know. Like I like that. I like that element too,

1735
01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.920
though It's like, okay, so like I like when rule

1736
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.800
are broken in like this kind of space, but then

1737
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.520
you realize like, oh wait, I guess there really are

1738
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.000
no rules. So I was just being silly by thinking, like, well,

1739
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:10.039
how do they film it? I don't. Oh it's a ghost.

1740
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:12.239
Do you know how ghost work? I like that.

1741
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:12.680
Yeah.

1742
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.119
Yeah, well that's fun and a great way to be

1743
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.920
extra creative. Oh agree, But yeah, so that's hell else

1744
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.560
I'll see. I love that film. I think it really

1745
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:26.119
holds up great. It's a great Halloween time film to

1746
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.000
really kind of pull you into that spirit, which is

1747
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:33.600
why we shared it for summer ween. The I'm assuming

1748
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:38.279
Millennial concocted Halloween in the summer. I ain't complaining, I'm participating,

1749
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.239
but what so for you, first of all, we should

1750
01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:44.560
compare it and contrast it just a little bit more

1751
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:46.920
to the houses October built. Yeah, because that's why we

1752
01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:49.079
did them back to back because they're often confused with

1753
01:34:49.119 --> 01:34:51.600
each other and compared because of the similar release time

1754
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:55.279
and similar basic concepts. So what did you think about

1755
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:55.960
them comparatively?

1756
01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:01.760
I enjoyed them both equally. But I will say that

1757
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:11.159
when it comes to like strictly October vibes, Halloween October vibes.

1758
01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:16.960
For some reason, houses October, houses October built did it

1759
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.319
for me more? And I think is it because they've

1760
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.520
visited so many haunts?

1761
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:26.399
Yeah? At once, I mean, you're definitely right. But I

1762
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:27.960
was trying to tell you to bring your microphone closer

1763
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.399
to your face because you were drifting away from it.

1764
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.199
I tried. I tried to signal to her, and she

1765
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:32.600
looked at me like she was about to get hit

1766
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.520
by a car. It's like I was just trying to

1767
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:36.199
tell you as quickly as I could with that.

1768
01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:39.880
I was hoping that I was reading your gesture, right,

1769
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.239
That's why I looked confused.

1770
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.920
Look, oh, and the gesture was to be confused and scared.

1771
01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.800
Be confused. That's scared now, But no, hou'ses October. I

1772
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.279
mean they go to so many places, they interview so

1773
01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.640
many people, they see so many people in makeup and costumes,

1774
01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:58.000
and it's way more halloweeny in a very broad way

1775
01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:01.359
that I think works Hello else llc. Just the fact

1776
01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:03.520
that it's in a haunt the whole basically the whole movie.

1777
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:05.720
I feel like that's where it gets the biggest part

1778
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.079
of its Halloween energy for me.

1779
01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.479
Yeah, I agree, And I also like any any story

1780
01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:17.319
where it's a haunted house obviously is gonna be a

1781
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:20.319
little bit more fun for Halloween time. And I think

1782
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.720
this is fun that it's a haunted, haunted house.

1783
01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:28.159
Yeah, there aren't nearly as many of those as you'd think. Yeah,

1784
01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.479
although you you should see hell Fest. It's it's a

1785
01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.000
it's a like a massive haunt that turns into like

1786
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.840
real people getting murdered, but it's like a giant haunt.

1787
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:39.520
It's like like the size of Land of Illusion, oh man,

1788
01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:41.640
and people just start getting slash slaughtered in there. I

1789
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:43.880
saw in the theater during the very brief run it had,

1790
01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.680
and I really enjoyed it. Healthfest Well then remember Haunt,

1791
01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:51.079
Oh yeah, yeah, you loved Haunt. That one was fun.

1792
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.800
That's a really solid, really fun that's a really solid,

1793
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:57.039
you know, killer haunt kind of vibe. So I mean

1794
01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.560
there are some, but not nearly as many maybe as

1795
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:01.479
you'd think it. Also, both of the ones I just

1796
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.920
mentioned aren't about haunts being haunted. They're just haunts where

1797
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:06.800
people get killed, so they don't have ghosts at all,

1798
01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.840
So you know, not quite the same all. Yeah, So

1799
01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:12.680
so you prefer houses October.

1800
01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:14.960
Built, I think so, just just a little bit.

1801
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:16.680
Because of Halloween energy.

1802
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:19.640
Just because of just because of the halloweeny energy. It

1803
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.319
really scratched that itch for me. But I would say,

1804
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:27.479
like as far as as far as found footage and

1805
01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:30.800
mockumentary type films, I would say this is a pretty

1806
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.760
solid one. It's hard to hold a candle to something

1807
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:36.279
like wreck.

1808
01:37:37.199 --> 01:37:40.600
Well that's not a documentary. It's just that's just because.

1809
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:41.920
It's strictly found footage.

1810
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:45.600
But uh, they're filming a documentary, but it's not presented.

1811
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.880
As one exactly. But it's really fun, it's really entertaining.

1812
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:53.760
It had really really good scares. I feel like there

1813
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:58.159
was several where like I jumped really really hard.

1814
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:01.319
There were a couple. Hopefully it wasn't because you were

1815
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:02.760
falling asleep, but I don't know for sure.

1816
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.439
I think I stayed awake, or maybe I'm asleep right now.

1817
01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:08.760
If you say I think I stayed awake, I think

1818
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.800
that's the most damning statement you should make. I'm pretty

1819
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:13.760
sure I stayed awake. Ah, so you weren't aware of

1820
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:18.520
your mental faculties. But no, I mean, I think it's

1821
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.640
it's honestly, it's it's a solid one. And honestly, after

1822
01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.479
this revisit, I kind of I used to like houses

1823
01:38:25.479 --> 01:38:28.359
October built more, and now I'm kind of leaning hell

1824
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:29.039
House LLC.

1825
01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:33.479
Oh the old flippero Flipper Rooney.

1826
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.960
But yes, okay, but that's yeah, that's kind of where

1827
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:37.720
I'm at right now.

1828
01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:41.359
Yeah, So I think I think they're both really good,

1829
01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:45.520
and I'm very glad that I watched hell House LLC.

1830
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:49.359
I think that we might have to keep this in

1831
01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:51.800
the rotation for Halloween movies.

1832
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.479
You know you don't want to watch the sequels.

1833
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:56.840
Actually I do want it. I'm curious about the sequels.

1834
01:38:57.319 --> 01:38:58.000
I'm curious.

1835
01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:01.800
I think that the first three year all about Abaddon

1836
01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:04.760
and the hotel, okay, and then they move on to

1837
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.560
something related but different. So I would be down to

1838
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:13.079
rewatch this. But with that all being said, what is

1839
01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:14.680
next on the chopping block?

1840
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.439
The next one is a little weird. This is a

1841
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:23.920
little weird, a little weird. Okay, so next we're doing

1842
01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:26.960
tonight she comes from twenty seventeen.

1843
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:31.119
Yeah, so this is not a well known movie at all.

1844
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:35.359
This is not a very popular film. We saw this

1845
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.199
at the Asylum Night of the Movies, I think is

1846
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:40.039
what they called it or something like that, Yeah, which

1847
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.039
was a special screening they did at Cinemark Movie Theaters

1848
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.159
of Asylum films, which were films made by the movie

1849
01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.840
studio that brought you Sharknado. Actually talked about it briefly earlier,

1850
01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:53.159
Sharknado and all those kind of ridiculous mockbusters and stuff,

1851
01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.720
and the movies they showed were really out there. Yeah.

1852
01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.000
One of them that was really interesting was there was

1853
01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:02.600
that One Bad Girl, which actually was Samara Weavings first

1854
01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:04.680
film in Australia or she came to a market. It

1855
01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:06.479
was also, yeah, very very good. But that was the

1856
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first time Samorrow Weaving was in American theaters. And then

1857
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like three years later she's like in Bill and Ted four.

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It was really craz Or three, but it was really crazy.

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01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.159
So they were really interesting. But of all the films,

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a couple of them were a little stinker a few

1861
01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:21.800
were really really good, but the only one that left

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01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:25.439
us just completely like, what the what? I'm not even

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01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:27.800
sure how you're gonna describe what happens in this movie

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01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.840
on the podcast when we talk about.

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01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:32.840
It, don't. I will cross that bridge when we come

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01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:34.359
to well, first we should I say the title.

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01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:35.800
It's called Tonight She Comes.

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01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:36.560
I don't know.

1869
01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:39.399
No one believed that. No, but no you no, it's

1870
01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:40.960
yeah you did? You mentioned the year and that Yeah,

1871
01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:46.239
Tonight she Comes from twenty sixteen bizarre horror film. Yeah,

1872
01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:48.159
Tonight she Comes, Night She Comes?

1873
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:52.800
Yeah, Yeah, what I like. One of the reasons it's

1874
01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:56.439
got such a fun spot in my heart is because

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01:40:57.039 --> 01:41:01.680
I was not well versed with slasher films when I

1876
01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:06.399
saw this, so it was really really fun for kind

1877
01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:10.680
of one of my first introductions to slasher films being

1878
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.439
a film set that's kind of a love letter and

1879
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:18.840
also bucking every trend of slasher films that it possibly can.

1880
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.520
At the same time. It's just nuts.

1881
01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.079
Yeah. No, it's way far out And it's available to

1882
01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:30.159
watch to stream free with ads on Fandango at home,

1883
01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:33.640
but you could also rent or buy it on Amazon

1884
01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:38.119
Prime Video and Apple TV. And this is one I

1885
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.680
really recommend you watch if you like your horror, just

1886
01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:42.720
absolute batshit.

1887
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:43.520
Yeah.

1888
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.880
So that's what we'll be covering next time on Cutting

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Deep into Horror, and I am cautiously excited to rewatch it.

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Part of me is worried that it just will somehow

1891
01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:52.079
not be as great.

1892
01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.239
Yeah, I really hope that's not the case.

1893
01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:58.399
I'm hopeful too, so but with that all being said,

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we're gonna get out of here until next time. But

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here and hopefully open this haunted house that I just bought.

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So until next time, stay spooky and we'll see you real,

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real soon. Bye bye yes