Cutting Deep Into Horror | Silent Night, Deadly Night (1984)

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Rachel, Come on, it's late, it's time to go to bed.

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I don't want to go to bed. Oh, come on, it's Christmas

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Eve. I know I want to
stay up and I want to see Santa

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Claus. No, no, you've
got to understand something about Santa Claus.

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He sees you, you don't see
him. That's part of the fun.

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Oh no, it's a little bit
creepier, right, No, he knows

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when you're sleeping, he knows when
you're awake, and he knows if you've

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been bad or good. So go
to sleep for goodness sake. Okay,

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Look, Santa loves you. That's
why he literally never gives you a moment

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of peace or quiet. He's always
there. Yeah, this is sounding increasingly

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like a bad relationship. No,
Santa gives you gifts. You don't know

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Santa the way I know Santa.
Why don't you just get cozy and relax.

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Okay, we have a very special
show for the holiday coming up.

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So just here, put a little
extra pillow under your head. This one's

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extra cold. I put it in
the fridge. Oooh the cold side.

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Yeah, and now we're going to
have a little talk about one of my

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favorite movies of all time. Okay, okay, okay. This podcast is

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about why horror scares us, what
deep dark secrets scary cinema shines a light

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on. The discussions are frank and
involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and

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mental health. There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too.

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Now sharpen your machetes and strape raisors, because this is Cutting Deep into Horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome
back to Cutting Deep into Horror.

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We took a little We took a
little vacation in November. I desperately needed

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it. Yeah, we both needed
just a short break. I needed a

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little break, and we honestly anytime
we got to watch movies, we just

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wanted to watch them for the sake
of it. Yeah, so we took

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a little break. But in December
we're back and we're bringing you quite possibly

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one of my favorite movies to watch, and especially one of my favorite movies

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to watch in the holiday season.
And I'm a glutton for Christmas movies.

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Thanks, but of course I'm your
host, Enrique Kuta here with my Cutting

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Deep in Horror co host and great
buddy in the holiday I don't know what

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that means Rachel RODOLPHI so, Rachel, how are you this holiday season?

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I'm doing great. It's good to
know that we're only good friends during the

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holiday season. Mies. Yeah,
yeah, thank you so much. So

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but no, So tonight we're gonna
be talking about the immortal classics Silent Night,

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Deadly Night, And I can't tell
you why exactly. Maybe by the

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end of the show I will be
able to, But it's very hard to

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explain why a person such as myself
who adores Christmas films so much, you

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know, Home Alone, Christmas Story, Scrooged, you know, all of

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the classics, Miracle in thirty fourth
Street, both versions, adore them so

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much. But for some reason,
when we started watching Silent Night Deadly Night

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today and I was tired, we'd
been running errands all day, I was

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feeling kind of beat and when the
when the title came up, I literally

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just like ooh, Christmas like and
it's not a friendly sound. It's like

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it's like dig you know, it's
it's a it's a horror film. Gets

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it's a horror picture. But it
just it gives me that warm and fuzzy

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feeling in the horror, you know, fan kind of way. Right.

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So I've been enjoying Silent Night,
Deadly Night since I was a teenager.

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I'm renting it on tape at Hollywood
Video. That was the first time I

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saw it was probably thirteen or fourteen, because it was the most notorious Christmas

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horror film. Yeah, you know, you have other ones like Gremlins or

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I mean that one's a really famous
example. You had stuff like Christmas Evil,

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which I didn't really learn to appreciate
until I was in my late twenties.

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Damn fine film. But we have
all these little Christmas horror movies,

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especially now, we got Crampis and
just all kinds of great stuff. But

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Silent Night, Deadly Night, even
though it wasn't the first, it just

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is the quintessential. It just encompasses
the feeling of Christmas and also the feeling

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of a slasher. And it doesn't
hurt that there are freaking five of them,

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and I love every single one different. Like a Mormon father, I

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have five children, I know each
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who they are. I am like
a good Mormon father when it comes to

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Silent Night, Deadly Night films.
I'm seriously like, you could ask me

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any question about one through five,
and I know it. I adore them

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all, but obviously the first one
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So yeah, but it made them
mold, it did. And I mean

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to give a quick rundown for those
who are uninitiated, I mean SILENTI Deadly

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Night slasher movie Silent and Deadly Night
two a wackado slasher movie. SILENTI Deadly

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Night three is a kind of paranormal
stalking slash movie with a with a lot

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of really odd ball elements that I
love. Then Part four is a very

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strange, almost procedural, almost like
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they use giant bugs and potions.
It's completely crazy. And then five is

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about a toy maker who makes toys
to kill children. See what I mean.

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They go pretty far out with None
of them are straight up ghost stories.

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That's the only thing that I wish
they had done. Yeah, but

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still, I mean wacky and fun, so fun. So I yeah saw

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Silent. I did Light for the
first time when I was very young,

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but then I didn't see the others
until two thousand and nine. I was

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stuck at or two thousand and eight. It was two thousand and eight,

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I was stuck at home and I
had nowhere to be on Christmas. And

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this was when only one and two
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Three, four and five were relegated
to VHS. So I got my copies

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off of my nerd site where serious
movie nerds share copies of movies to each

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other. Oh cool. It's literally
they're about like fifteen thousand of us in

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this group, and somebody will be
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did Light three, and so I'd
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off my VHS. That was what
And it's still that way. It's just

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that a lot of those movies are
readily available now. Yeah, all Silent

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and Deadly Night movies have blu rays
now and they look great and whatever.

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But I remember sitting down and going, you know, I've never seen all

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of them. I've seen like the
box covers and I've heard stories. So

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I spent that Christmas where I was
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I just watched the one through five
all the way through, eating leftovers

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from Christmas Eve dinner throughout the day, and I was I had just moved

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back to Ohio, I was like, I was just one step outside of

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homelessness. So I was sitting in
my like one bedroom watching this on my

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computer. You know, I didn't
even have the TV setup to watch like

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you know, movies you download,
So I was watching them on my computer

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screen, sitting on my little couch
bed. And uh. But I actually

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one of the reasons I have a
great deal of fondness for these is that

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I remember when I was done watching
them, I was like, shoot,

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there wasn't a loser in that whole
bunch. That's the way I felt.

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Yeah, you know, and I'd
like to think it wasn't just because you

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know, I had such a sad
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know, tragedy going on in my
life at the time. But whatever.

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So, but do you remember the
first time you saw I'm it involves me,

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because why wouldn't it. But do
you remember the first time you saw

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Silent Night, Dead Late Night?
Yeah? Yeah, I do. Well

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care to talk to the class about
it. So we've been friends for you

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know, a little while, but
it was like the first time where we

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were really you and I were like
actually spending time around the holidays together,

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right, and you were a pretty
big grnch by by necessity, not necessarily

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by character. I wasn't. I
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know, like growing up for my
family, Christmas was incredibly religious and not

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very secular. So like I didn't
grow up with stories about Santa Claus.

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I didn't grow up with with you
know, you only grew up and Black

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Pete. But no, I know, I totally I'm totally getting what you're

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laying. Yeah, So like the
excitement for me wasn't like all about the

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presence or all about how, you
know, the atmosphere. It was like,

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oh, you get excited for that
one day because you see your family

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and then that's it, which is
nice. It's nice, no, but

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but that's also like we we learned
to appreciate that stuff the older we get

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exactly when I know, I dude, I still to this day, I

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kicked myself because there were a couple
of years when I was like, like,

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I don't know, between thirteen and
eighteen, there were like a year

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or two where I skipped Thanksgiving our
Christmas dinner because I just didn't feel like

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it. Yeah, And it was
like and now I'm like, are you

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kidding. I would give anything in
the world to go to have another Thanksgiving

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at my aunt Betty's house, right, you know or what? And I

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can't believe that I was such a
little shithead, you know. So I

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totally thats so I totally understand that. At the time, it's like it

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didn't really feel very festive. It
was just being close to family, which

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you know, fast forward seven years
later and you're like, that is literally

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the best thing ever. Yeah,
like I get so excited. Yeah,

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there were such storks when we're younger, you know, So so there was

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that kind of like I didn't have
that upbringing where Christmas was big because it

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was Jesus's birthday, but it wasn't
like a big, huge thing. Well,

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your family literally sings Happy Birthday to
Jesus on Christmas. Yes, on

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Christmas Eve. I've been there.
I've watched it. I'm glad I'm not

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the only person who's looking around like
wow as we're doing it either. Yeah,

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it's very very helpful now that there's
in laws. I think we all

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do it more out of the absolute
adoration of your mother than we do for

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anything else. Your mom is such
a great person. We'll sing happy Birthday

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to Jesus for Yeah, you know, she's got it whatever she wants.

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Yeah, whatever you want. It's
so great. So there was that.

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And then the person that I was
with at the time was an absolute grinch

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and did not like the holidays at
all and would very purposefully like kind of

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sequester himself away. So I didn't
have anyone to be excited about Christmas with,

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right, right, And then I
met Enrique. Mister Christmas Kudo.

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I have been called mister Christmas by
more than just you. Well, it's

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a fact fact. My buddy Andrew
always refers to me like uh like Bill

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Murray first to his brother and scrooged, he says, and then there's my

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brother, my brother, Enrique,
the King of Christmas. So yeah,

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so you kind of not only when
you know, when we were we were

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you know, building our friendship and
you were trying to get me into the

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horror world. But then once you
once it was on your radar that I

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was not immediately excited about Christmas,
the moment like December first rolled around,

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you were like, oh, we
got to fix this. Well, I

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literally when I have have new friends, like people in general who are closer

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to me in life, were like
suddenly closer to me, and they're like,

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oh, I've never really been that
into Christmas. I'm like, well,

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good luck with that now that how
that you and I are spending a

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lot of time together, good luck
not celebrating the hell out of Christmas.

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I'm I love everything about Christmas.
I love the lights, I love the

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music, I love the goodwill.
You know, I love the attitude I

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see. I mean, I know
that a lot of people like to get

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negative about it, but I mean
you go to the grocery store and even

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when it's packed, you'll see people
being kind. Yeah you will. You'll

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see people being jerks too, But
I mean, hey, like we all

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wake up, you know, we
all got to wake up in the morning

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and do our best. But I
just like the vibe. I like that

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it's like Halloween. I like how
everything's a little different for the season.

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I think that we sorely need singing
and merriment and lights right as winter is

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kicking into full gear, especially here
in Ohio, because December is like is

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like pre winter January and February or
really winter, and that's the way it

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is most of the places, most
of the country. But like, yeah,

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I think that we need that.
And also, I really am As

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I've gotten older, I've really come
to believe that you've got to celebrate every

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opportunity you get to celeb break you
better take it because if you don't,

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then one day you're gonna wake up
and realize you never celebrated at all.

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And that's a tragedy. Yeah,
in my humble opinion. So anyway,

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not to get so philosophical about Christmas. So so I'm like, oh,

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we got to fix this. So
I'm guessing it was shortly thereafter I subjected

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you to Silent Night, Deadly Night. Yes, okay, because because again

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you had kind of been ushering me
into the horror world. So we'd watched

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you know, obviously around Halloween you
were like, well, we need to

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watch all of the Halloween movies.
I don't think I showed you all.

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I think I got you up to
part six. I think so. But

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that's that's a lot, a lot
of it, saying yeah, yeah,

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that's a lot, now, know
I remember that. So we had gotten

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through that, you know, we'd
gotten through like Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Again, I don't think necessarily all
of them, all of them. Okay,

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it was all seven up to part
seven, because then I had to

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educate you on Friday the thirteenth before
you can watch Freddy Versus Jason exactly,

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exactly, Yeah, yeah, there's
a method to this. Okay, you

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have an entire criteria of how we're
going to go through this correct. So

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then you know, we get through
Halloween and then Christmas time starts rolling around

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and you're like, okay, well, I think the perfect segue to go

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from Halloween into Christmas season is I
need to show you Silent Night Deadly Night,

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which you know, again, I
was brand new to horror and very

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brand new to Slashers, so I
was still learning the method the way that

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slashers play out, and so that's
why it was so exciting to me because

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this was a brand new method of
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as this movie was going on,
and so it became very exciting to be

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like, ooh, I know there
is this particular puzzle piece. I wonder

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how it's going to fit into the
story, and then it would fit in

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perfectly, and it was just like, oh, I love that they did

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that. You were like, I'm
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no, I mean, I'm glad
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loved it and I slasher movies.
There's a delight to slasher movies as well,

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with the fact that they're all kind
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Like Silent I, Deadly Night has
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my opinion, is very much all
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in I want to say, I'm
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four is when it was released,
and by that point we had already had

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Friday the Thirteenth that hit in nineteen
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where it was in that cycle,

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because the cycle of slasher movies started
with Halloween. But when Friday the Thirteenth

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came out and got that big box
office, everything went insane, Yeah,

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and then the boom really went in
full tilt and boogie. So then we

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have Silent Night, Deadly Night come
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time as Nightmare Elm Street and night
Mare Elm Street kind of reinvented that genre

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to get it give it, breathe
it more life for about almost not quite

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ten more years, maybe eight more
years. You know, it's funnycause people

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pick on like the Marvels superhero movies
are like, look at them, everybody's

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just tired or whatever. It's like, dude, very few cinematic moments have

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lasted as long as the Marvel movies
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didn't even really hit twelve years.
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about the eighties as like a decade
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eight eighty nine, most of them
were tired already. I mean they were

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already planning to kill Freddy for the
final time. They were already taking Jason

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to Manhattan, which is basically the
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the final time. So yeah,
so, well, we'll dive into some

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more details about Silent a Deadly Night
from nineteen eighty four, directed by Charles

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E. Sellier Junior or Cellier Junior, I'm guessing, because he lived in

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Utah. But first we got to
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right back, and we're back with
cutting deep in horror talking about Silent Night,

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Deadly night after we talked about the
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which I mean, that's why it's
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gonna sit here for possibly two hours
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so Silent Night, Deadly Night.
Just it really took a lot of the

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slasher movie conventions, and while it
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it held on to them tightly,
it ran in a different direction. It

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really leaned into the pathos of the
main character. Yeah, and it made

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Billy our killer. He was the
lead character. And it's one of the

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more I think about this, It's
one of the few slasher movies in my

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opinion, that makes the killer the
lead and works most of the time.

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That's a terrible idea. You need
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know, that we can love and
be interested in what they're doing, so

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that we're not bored by the killer
just being a killer. Right. You

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know, I would not want to
watch a Jason Vorhees movie that is just

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about Jason Vorhees. You gotta give
us like interesting teenagers or something. You

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gotta give us somebody that he's after, right, because ultimately, in the

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slasher movie. Even if you're invested
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still rooting for the people to survive
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you're doing it right, unless you're
a sociopath, yes, but that is

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I have to agree. That's kind
of what different. What really set Silent

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Night, Deadly Night up part is
while you don't necessarily want to see Billy

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become this this mindless killing machine,
at the same time, you're kind of

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like, yeah, I dare say
he's a mindful he is well, and

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they do even mention that in the
third act. Yeah, which we will

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get to it eventually, but you
know, the police chief even says like

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he's he's nuts, but he's not
dumb. Yeah, and he's not killing

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everybody. He's killing people who are
naughty. So so yeah, no,

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and that's but that's one thing I
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the main character is the killer.
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been able to do it. Henry
Portrait of a Serial Killer. Although that

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movie is barely a slasher movie,
that's a really stark depiction of a killer.

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it that was not on purpose.
Wow, maybe I need to sleep more,

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but uh, but no, it
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a serial killer. That's why they
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you know, there are other examples
that now I killed my examples because I

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made myself sound so stupid. But
but anyway, let's dive into Silent Night,

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Deadly Night talk about some of the
elements that are just the friggin' best,

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because everything about this movie makes me
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you so happy. We're so so
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the movie opens and we see some
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like I just want to jump into
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little town because it's just it's snowy
and there's snow on the mountains in the

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distance, and you know, just
just you start getting warm, cozy feelings

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just from that. And then you
see this car driving by and they're listening

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to Christmas music, and you get
even more into the Christmas sphere, is

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watching Santa's creeping And most of the
film was shot. It was all shot

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in Utah, and most of it
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or Heber City, Utah, which
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Salt Lake City, Okay, and
that's why there are beautiful mountains up there.

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One of the reasons they shot up
there was the mountains hold snow and

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they shot this movie I Want to
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that's what they were saying on the
interview we just watched. Yeah,

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yeah, they we'll finish that when
we're having dinner. Because I could tell

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you were like dying delarerty. Yeah, kind I kind of want to.

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No, it's a really good doc.

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So uh but yeah, I know, the the atmosphere is perfect. It's

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this very idyllic, mountainey like it
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but it's but it's mountains. It's
it's yeah, it's out in Utah,

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you know. And and and they
don't really say they're in Utah,

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but there is where they're heading.
Because what is more Christmas y than going

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on a long car ride to see
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mean, well you didn't have any
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dad was like twelve hours away,
so so yeah, well I am very

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fortunate in that pretty much all of
my family has been within thirty minutes to

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an hour of Dayton sure, so
like the most we would have to drive

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would be like going to Columbus to
see my dad. So that's a huge

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John, Like, that's nice.
Like get in the car for an hour

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hour and a half, that's yeah, I like that hour and a half

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if the traffic's bad, Like on
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because there's absolutely no traffic. Like
that was that was tits because I'd be

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stuffed full of like all this delicious
Christmas food and just got my presence and

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just falling asleep in the back of
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know it, it's like, oh, we're back home. And then you

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get the second wind and you start
playing again, you know, because you're

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a kid and you were the smallest
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just find a nonooker creany. Yeah, well, you know, you just

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if you wed yourself right, you
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I believe you can. So no, but I totally get that because we

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didn't do a lot of we didn't
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going to see my dad for Christmas. It was a production. Oh,

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you know, either twelve hours each
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and I flew by myself when I
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never around Christmas. They always end
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was usually in the summer, but
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week and a half or something and
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twenty second or twenty third. Yeah, you know, just like wrap it

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up. But but yeah, so
car rides to family. I mean even

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like when we go see your family, you know, that's a nice little

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twenty five minute, right, they're
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I mean, we all live adjacent
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live in the same town. No, So we do have and I kind

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of enjoy that little ride, that
little like twenty minutes where you get to

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like listen to music or decompress or
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before you go into holiday mode.
Exactly. So we got this family in

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this I think it's a station wagon. It is, of course it is,

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because it has to be right,
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kids you got a station Wagon band. So you've got this family. And

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the family is a mommy, a
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boy who's I would say about three
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five ish five, okay, thank
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here at that eight months, ten
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can hold his head up the end. That's it. Yeah. So so

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it's it's great the way they introduce
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got the Christmas music sweat, and
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dad in the front seat. And
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not a car seat. Mom is
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and nobody's wearing seat belts. It
was great. We used to have a

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country. You can go to Walmart, you could buy an AR fifteen and

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a lobster because we had a country
back then. It's become my favorite saying

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when we were a country, because
we're not now. Those seat belts,

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lawn darts everywhere, every goddamn place. It's great, but now, and

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and little baby is named Ricky.
Yeah, this is the Coldwell family,

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by the way, or at least
that's what they eventually get named Long story

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in part two. They really mentioned
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baby Ricky and the bait and the
little boy is Billy, and they're on

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their way, and Billy is,
of course thumbing through a Christmas picture book

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because it's so Christmas, kid,
it's so Christmas's, so Christmas, maximum

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Christmas achieved. So as are driving
along Billy's, you know, thumbing through

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his little book, and he starts
asking questions about Santa Claus. And he

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says, you know, I want
to stay up tonight so that I can

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see Santa Claus and mom and dad. Of course, you've got to think

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on your feet when you're a parent, especially a parent with a kid that

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old, because they're smart enough to
not know that they should just stop asking

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questions before everything is ruined for them. Okay, all right, he got

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some parenting advice out there. I
like, well, that's just me being

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an antie. Oh yes, you
are a hell of an aunt, thank

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you. So he's saying like,
I want to stay up, I want

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to stay up. I want to
see Santa Santa Claus coming night there.

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do Grandpa's And they tell him,
and then he's like, what time is

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it? And they're like, well, we get home in time for Santa.

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They're like, Santa Claus comes when
everybody's in bed, you know exactly.

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And then he starts, well,
what happens if we don't get home

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in time for my bedtime? Is
gonna? Is Santa gonna think that I'm

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naughty? Then? And they're like, it's fine, it's fine. Can

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I stay up and see Santa?
And they're like, no, no,

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it's supposed to. Yeah, that's
not how you'll be naughty. Then too,

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like that's not how that works.
So it was really cute setting the

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scene. And then they pull up
to the Utah Mental Hospital. Yeah,

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the Utah men, I have a
feeling was not a real name for a

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place. I have a feeling that
that was just I mean, that was

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the sign they put up. Yeah, which is why I said, like,

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I think that's the only direct reference
to them being in Utah is that

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that says Utah and the name of
that hospital, And of course it could

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take place in any of the neighboring
states to Utah. Yeah, but because

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they're very clearly driving for a while, so they could have been anything like

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Colorado or something. I don't know. I don't know geography that well that

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part of the country to talk about
it. Okay, fine, But so

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they go to the Utah Mental Hospital
and they're introduced to Grandpa and Grandpa is

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suffering from a degree of catatonia.
He is sitting in his chair in his

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bathrobe and he's not moving. He's
not really even blinking. He's not responsive,

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right, and it's it's one of
those sad kind of moments, you

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know that the son because it appears
that it's the dad's father, that's what

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it Yeah, that's what it appears
like. So at one point he turns

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to the doctor and he's like,
he's much worse than last time we saw

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him. And he's like, well, you know, we have some paperwork

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for you to We have his records
we want to show. Do we want

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to walk you through if you want, so, Mom, dad and baby

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leave and leave Billy, leave Billy
with Grandpa, because why wouldn't you,

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I guess, I mean, I
don't know. I don't think that it's

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parenting of the year to leave a
kid with a catatonic adult, But at

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the same time, it might actually
be better it's like, I guess in

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their attitude to probably like just be
with your grandpa. Yeah, you know,

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like at least he's here, even
if he's not entirely here and catatonic.

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Grandpa suddenly not so catatonic anymore so
catatonic and possibly one of the greatest

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scenes in all of cinema in my
opinion. And I took the liberty of

405
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.359
pulling the sound clip, thank you, because I don't think we can do

406
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:11.400
it justice. No, So listen
to this, guys. Grandpa smiles,

407
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.880
grabs him by the arm. Well
you want food. Can't help you,

408
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:30.480
nobody can. You're scared? I
would be. You should be Christmas Eve.

409
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:36.680
He's your scarish damn night. Yeah, maybe be scared too. Fuss

410
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:45.559
you you know what happened Christmas?
Even? Oh yet you know not?

411
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:52.720
Sha gosh. He brings press to
our good boys and girls. Hey,

412
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.559
your daddy told you that, did
he? He looks so mad when he

413
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:03.720
said that. Well, I tell
you something shiny close only breaks precious to

414
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:10.680
them that's been good all year,
to the ones that ain't done nothing,

415
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.559
naughty goggy, and the little boy
looks nervous because he knows he hasn't been

416
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:26.160
perfect. Yeah, all the naughty
ones. He bishesh Billy looks so worry.

417
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:33.880
Now what about you, boy,
You've been good old year. And

418
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.680
he's thinking about it and kind of
slowly shaking his head. No, she's

419
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:45.480
sind it close tonight. You better
run for it, you better run free

420
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:56.400
life. It's so so welacking because
it is ridiculous, but it's also sincerely

421
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.000
scary. It is. And then
as soon as he's done giving that tirade,

422
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.240
the door opens and mom, dad
and baby are coming back to the

423
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.480
room, and he immediately just turns
away from the kid and goes back into

424
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.680
catatonia. And you and I had
a debate when we were watching it about

425
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.359
if he was playing or not.
I don't know if he was, because

426
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.119
he never becomes responsive again, Yeah, you mentioned that, and I think

427
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.000
that's a good point, because I
think if he was playing, even when

428
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.119
the family walks away, we would
have gotten a reveal of him looking or

429
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.160
his eyes were removing to Billy for
a second or something. So I think

430
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:36.240
he's just he's just really mentally there's
a lot of problems going on, clearly,

431
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:41.839
Yeah, But the aftermath of what
happens after Billy finds out why Christmas

432
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.279
Eve is the scariest damn night of
the whole year. We'll get to right

433
00:30:45.359 --> 00:31:03.160
after this very quick commercial break,
and we are back. Christmas Eve is

434
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.799
the scariest damn night of the year. I love that scene. I had

435
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:08.839
to get it pulled up because I
was like, you know, we could

436
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:15.200
sit here going Christmas is it just
isn't the same the same. That scene

437
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.119
so good. If you haven't seen
Silent Night, Deadly Night, you probably

438
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.119
shouldn't be listening to this because we're
spoiling the whole movie. But if you

439
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.559
if some people, I've actually talked
to some of our fans who've been listening

440
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.720
to the show, and they don't
mind hearing us talk about the entire movie

441
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.079
all the way through and then going
to watch it. It's just not a

442
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.119
big deal to them. So if
that's the case, though, feel free

443
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.480
to pause this and go to YouTube
and just look up Silent Night, Deadly

444
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:44.319
Night Grandpa, and you will find
you'll find that more than you bargain for

445
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.480
it. And I do want to
mention real quick side note, it is

446
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.039
available to rent on Amazon Prime Video. I think that's the only place you

447
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.039
really get it right now, it's
not really free to stream anywhere or whatever,

448
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.119
or free in air quotes, because
sometimes people are like, it's free

449
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.400
on Netflix, Well you pay for
Netflix, but whatever, I digress.

450
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.200
That is neither here nor there.
Oh so so now they're back there,

451
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:09.920
They're back back the car, and
little Billy is mortified. Yeah, he

452
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.519
is scared out of his goddamn mind
because he's he's not a dumb kid.

453
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.480
He knows that he hasn't been perfect
all year. And you know, Grandpa

454
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:27.119
is in his mind an authority figure. Yeah, so clearly he has to

455
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.640
know more about what goes on during
Christmas than Billy or even Billy's parents.

456
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.839
Yes, yes, yes, And
Billy even asked his mom. He's like,

457
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.039
when you were a little kid,
were you good all the time?

458
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.799
And it just kind of gives an
honest answer like I tried my best.

459
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.680
Yeah, I tried. And and
so you can see the gears turning where

460
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.440
he's like, Okay, I know
I haven't been all good, but Mom's

461
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.599
still here, so she must have
been all good because she didn't get punished

462
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:58.759
Yes by Saint Nichols, Santa Claus
Jesus, see Santa Claus. Now you

463
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.960
better run, boy, that's best
party. You better run for life.

464
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.599
Love, It'll just say that throughout
the year. I do, I already

465
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:14.279
do. Yeah. So so,
so we've got this juxtaposition of the parents.

466
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.559
One they're trying to calm down Billy, but then they're also trying to

467
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.839
understand because Billy says that Grandpa said
all these things, but Grandpa was catatonic,

468
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:29.759
but Billy isn't a liar, so
he must have talked to Grandpa some

469
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.039
Yeah, like we believe him some
much, because the mom even says,

470
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.079
like, why would Billy lie about
Grandpa's talking. He got a lion kid.

471
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.799
And then you get the sense that
the mom did never like that Grandpa

472
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.839
very much because she's like he's just
as like he's just stupid or whatever.

473
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.519
She says, like he's just a
dumb old man or whatever. And I

474
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.920
love Billy says, he goes,
Mom, you shouldn't do that. He's

475
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:57.599
naughty to say things about old people. So much. We're having a lot

476
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.000
of fun considering what's about to happen
anyway, well, and I love how

477
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.680
concerned he is. He can't really
worry. He wants his mom to be

478
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.960
safe, and he is convinced that
if you do anything naughty, Santa will

479
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.960
come to punish you. Were you
a kid, you probably were not,

480
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.039
maybe maybe not, But were you
a kid that was always trying to protect

481
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.639
your mom. I was always trying
to protect my mom. Oh no,

482
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.400
my mom can protect Oh my gosh, well no, no, no,

483
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:27.000
Like six year old me would beg
her to quit smoking cigarettes, like beg

484
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.320
her. I would cry because she
was smoking cigarettes because I was at school

485
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.760
and they'd show us like a picture
of a black lung and be like,

486
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.760
this is what happens with spos cgarettes. I'd be like, home, mom,

487
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.119
and I'd be like, Mom,
those a'ret gonna kill you, and

488
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.159
I want you to die. I
love you. And it caused my mom

489
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.760
to quit smoking and then start up
again and hide it and then quit smoking

490
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.440
it. She did eventually quit fully
a few years later, But I mean,

491
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.119
I so there was always that kind
of mental I always had that mentality

492
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.599
like it was just me and my
mom most of the time, so I

493
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.519
wanted to protect her. I wanted
to make sure she was safe. And

494
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.039
that's kind of the sense I get
from Billy when he's just like, oh,

495
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.880
you're not opposed to say things about
it's just the fact that his line

496
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.800
is you're not supposed to say mean
things about old people, which which for

497
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.239
the record, I do remember being
told something like that by an adult when

498
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.559
I was younger, that was like
nice, respect your elders. Yeah,

499
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:15.880
well I was. I remember being
told like be nice to old people,

500
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.360
like not even respect your elders,
just be nice to old people because they're

501
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.239
old and they deserve it, ye
know. So anyway, so now he's

502
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:28.760
all he's all in telling his parents
like is Santa Claus gonna punish me because

503
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.159
I haven't been good all year?
And they're like, no, that's not

504
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:38.880
what happens. And then and then
well then we get the juxtaposition of we

505
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:44.320
go to a corner store gas station, some kind of quick mart, Santa

506
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.039
comes out, guy dressed up as
Santa yep, and you know, comes

507
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.000
into the shop. And one of
my favorite things in this movie, Sanna

508
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.719
has red gloves. They always Santa's
always have red gloves in this movie.

509
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.239
Growing up, I always I always
saw Santa's having white gloves, but in

510
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.920
this movie, ever depiction of Santa
Claus has red gloves. So they're like

511
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.119
the red suit and everything, but
red gloves. Which I just love.

512
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.280
I think that was just a regional
thing, but I love it. No,

513
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.039
it's great. I actually purposely for
for Babysitter Massacre, sleigh bells.

514
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.480
I actually like bought red gloves for
the Santa Killer because I wanted it to

515
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.400
be like Silent my Deadly Night.
So you have to have that homage.

516
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.280
Yeah, why not? You know
so? But but yeah, and he

517
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.719
walks in and he's not in like
a cheap Santa suit. It looks like

518
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:31.280
he looks like he's a department store
Santa or a Salvation Army Sanna. He

519
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.920
looks legit. Yeah, you know, it's a very good looking suit.

520
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.320
Yeah, he just doesn't look like
a like somebody who just slapped on the

521
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:45.280
cheapest Santa suit you could find to
just like it's got bells for goodness sake.

522
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.559
Yeah, like that's some good money
right there. And he walks in

523
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.519
and and asked for a pack of
smokes, and the the guy work in

524
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.880
the cash register is just kind of
like, oh great, which I thought

525
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.840
was actually kind of like a charming
small talk. He's like, oh,

526
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.199
I gotta hear you all day on
the radio, and now you're in my

527
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.599
store. He's like, what no
Christmas speer. He's like, ah,

528
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.719
because he's really it's really kind of
like a nice human mowa. He's like,

529
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.880
ah, it's just a lot of
fake sentiment, you know, it's

530
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.920
just kind of it's good. It's
good for business, bad for my stomach,

531
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.880
that's what he says. What he
says, I just like that exchange.

532
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.719
But then Santa pulls the nineteen eleven
a pistol a gun on this guy

533
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.639
and he goes, well, what's
this about. He's like, I'm holding

534
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:32.679
you up, asshole. So now
he's being robbed by Santa. But he's

535
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.000
a very smart shop keep though.
He's got his own gun behind the counter,

536
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.079
and he literally says, oh,
I guess it's not about fake sentiment.

537
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.920
This is just straight on greed.
And then he pulls the gun and

538
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.199
gets blasted by Sanna. Before he
can even get the gun up, the

539
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:51.719
guy gets shot, falls down through
an aisle of potato chips, and as

540
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.679
the guy's pulling the money out of
the register, the guy tries to like

541
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.559
point his gun again and he shoots
him again and then shoots him right in

542
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.079
the head. Yeah, and I
thought that that was a very poignant thing

543
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.559
because they made it very clear that
this guy will kill you. Not that

544
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.199
he like, you know, flinched
because the guy jumped and shot him.

545
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.159
No, he shot him again.
And then after he'd shot him once and

546
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.039
he fell down and looked like he
was probably dead, he shot him right

547
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.639
between the eyes. This guy is
a cold blooded killer. Yeah. And

548
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:28.440
Hitchcock pointed out this type of suspense
storytelling. He used to always say that

549
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.039
if you have somebody walk into a
restaurant and then a bomb explodes, you

550
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.559
scare the audience for twenty seconds.
But if you have a man walk into

551
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.679
a restaurant, sit down, and
then you show the bomb under the table,

552
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.320
and then a friend sits down with
him and they have a leisurely conversation

553
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:49.039
about their day, you terrorize the
audience for twenty minutes. And to me,

554
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.960
the bomb under the table is the
fact that now that he's robbed this

555
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:53.880
convenience store, which it turns out
was for thirty one dollars. Yeahah,

556
00:38:53.960 --> 00:39:00.559
he even says thirty one dollars,
geet cry Christmas. And the whole time

557
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.599
I'm thinking, like, you're the
one who held him off. Yeah,

558
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.559
and you murdered somebody for thirty one
fucking dollars. But so my point is

559
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.039
that now we cut back to the
family driving down the road and there's a

560
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.360
car broken down on the side of
the road and Santa Claus is waving down

561
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.679
for help, and the parents are
like, oh, would you look at

562
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.480
that? And they're like totally the
way I imagine parents would react. And

563
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:23.400
she's like would you look at that? How about that? And then the

564
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.639
dad's like, he must be on
his way to a party or something,

565
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.400
yeah, because it's Christmas Eve,
and he's like, should we wake Billy,

566
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:30.400
you know, so he could see
Santa Claus. And then Billy wakes

567
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.360
up with Santa, but not the
way they think he would. He's not

568
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.519
happy to see Santa and then they
say like, look, Billy, you've

569
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.480
got to see Santa Claus. After
all. He's like, keep driving,

570
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.480
keep going. And that's my point
about the bomb under the table. Yeah,

571
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:51.960
because they've established exactly how bad this
dude is. You're in suspense the

572
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.440
whole time. You're like, this
is gonna go bad. I don't know

573
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.920
when, but it is going to
go bad. And it's become a very

574
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.079
popular storytelling thing to reveal how bad
somebody is and then introduce them to your

575
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.760
characters and be like, now we
wait and this poor family, My god,

576
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.840
I mean this is where this is
where people when this film came out.

577
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.039
I don't know if you knew this. It was protested, really,

578
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.159
I mean I can see why people
picketed the theaters so so it did fifteen

579
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.800
I heard fifteen or twenty million dollars
opening weekend. It might have been.

580
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.079
It was proby fifteen, which is
insane. It wasn't even a full release

581
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.039
of the entire country. It never
got released in California and theatrically at all.

582
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.480
It never made it there. It
was released by TriStar, which was

583
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.400
a pretty big company, but it
was a It was a it was a

584
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.159
medium sized studio. TriStar was never
MGM or Warner Brothers. It was a

585
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.800
smaller studio. It was a consortium
of Coca Cola and a couple other companies

586
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.119
all owned a piece of it at
the time. Oh wow. And they

587
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.679
were the ones that financed Silent Night, Deadly Night, and they thought it

588
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.400
would, you know, make a
boku money and it did, but it

589
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.800
was actually outpacing Night brand elm Street
at first in earnings until it got pulled.

590
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:57.320
Ah, it got old because people
were protesting it. It was.

591
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.360
It was on the Phil Donnie Hughes
Show they interview people from the movie about

592
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.000
how it was, like, you, well, what happened. What happened

593
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:08.880
was they advertised it tri Star about
advertising during apparently during like football games on

594
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:15.960
Sunday afternoons, and families got that
go ahead because like little kids were like,

595
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.079
why is Santa have a knife?
You know? And yeah, yeah,

596
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.079
yeah. In fact, the makers
were even trying to remind them.

597
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.719
They were like, guys, guys, it's not about actual Santa Claus killing

598
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.599
people. It's about a guy dressed
like Santa Claus killing people. Because that's

599
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.679
the other thing. People thought that
they literally made a movie where just jolly

600
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.159
old Saint Nick came down your chimney
and murdered your whole family. Which there

601
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.320
are movies like that, by the
way, but this is not it.

602
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.840
No, no, and or Christmas
Evilhere. I guess Santa Claus comes down

603
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.480
there and then makes very sweet,
passionate love to your mother. What I'm

604
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.000
just you know, funny to put
it that way. That was nineteen eighty

605
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.639
so that was a little bit earlier. But uh but anyway, so they

606
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.159
pull over because why wouldn't you you
know, it's Christmas. If somebody yeah,

607
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.239
pulled over and they say, you
know, hey, Santa, have

608
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.519
a car trouble, He's like,
oh, not exactly, just some bad

609
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.719
luck, and then he points a
gun right at them. They pull the

610
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.639
car into reverse, try to get
away, and he fires the gun.

611
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.800
They fall into a ditch, and
then as Sana stalks up to the car,

612
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.719
the baby's crying. The Christmas music's
playing in the car, which is

613
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.000
a talk about this movie is full
of and Christmas horror generally is, but

614
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.760
it's full of really intense juxtapositions.
Yeah, lots of like horrible things are

615
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.639
happening, but you're hearing beautiful Christmas
music. Yeah, things like that,

616
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.159
which I like. I think that's
one of the reasons Christmas horror is an

617
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.719
enduring genre subgenre of horror movies.
So Santa comes up and when he opens

618
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.719
the door, it immediately the dad
falls out and reveals that he shot him

619
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.440
cleaned in the head when he was
back in the car away. So Dad's

620
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.400
dead. Billy, probably because of
how scared he was, immediately got out

621
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.079
of the car when the Santa wasn't
looking, and ran and jumped behind a

622
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:57.679
bunch of brush in the ditch,
and now Sanna murders his mother grotesquely.

623
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.639
Yeah, and Billy all of it. Yeah, and the baby is stuck

624
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.639
in its little spot in the car, just crying. And this is why

625
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:12.960
people hated this movie. It's because
of this scene. Oh, it's the

626
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.679
first time you and I watched it. It was I felt very squeamish.

627
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.400
Yeah, well you're supposed to.
It's a mean spirited scene. Yeah.

628
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.719
I don't believe that mean spirited makes
a bad movie. I believe that if

629
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.800
you're doing if it's for a purpose, then it works. Like the purpose

630
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.960
of the scene, as we're going
to find out, is to traumatize Billy.

631
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.400
Therefore, I think it makes sense
that it would be this mean spirit

632
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.280
it. Sanna attacks the mom,
rips open her top, appears like he's

633
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.480
going to assault her, but then
when she fights back too much, he

634
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.119
slits her throat. Yeah. You
see about half of it on screen,

635
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.719
of the violence, like some of
it, they cut away, some of

636
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.719
it. They show it to you. Billy sees all of this, and

637
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.079
the last thing we really see is
just the music playing and the song it

638
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.440
changes to a song that's like that's
like a sweet little baby, sweet little

639
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.280
baby. Well, the baby's just
crying and when you're praying that the Santa

640
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.559
doesn't kill the baby. Yeah,
and it was so powerful because after all

641
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.840
this violence happens, and you know, got the music playing and the baby

642
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.199
screaming, and it'll like it'll you
know, go to showing you the baby,

643
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.880
and then you go and see Billy
just hiding in these bushes with his

644
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.239
head covered. And then the Sanna
just with this knife in his hand,

645
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.639
dripping blood and just screaming, where
are you, little boy? Yeah,

646
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:39.920
very very powerful. Well, they
took a Norman Rockwell painting and they violated

647
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.159
it. Yeah, that's a very
good way to put it. I think

648
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.599
that most of the reviewers and most
of the people who watch actually did watch

649
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.360
the movie and then hated it.
Ciskel and Ebert did a speech on the

650
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.119
show where they shamed everyone who had
anything to do with it. They were

651
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:05.639
so incredibly against Silent Night, Deadly
Night. I'm not kidding. They detested

652
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.960
it. But I think that most
of those people couldn't get past that opening

653
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.760
because that opening is so cruel,
it's so vicious. But it does have

654
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.679
a point, and that's why we're
talking about this movie right now at length

655
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:21.119
is because I really do believe this
movie has a lot to appreciate and to

656
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:25.599
unpack that is really very scary.
And now we're gonna find out where Billy

657
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.360
winds up after his family's brutally murdered
by a Santa Claus. But first,

658
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.440
hey, it's Christmas. Why don't
you buy something? We're gonna go to

659
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:47.920
commercial break. We'll be right back
on cutting deep into horror. Welcome back

660
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.840
to cutting deep into horror, and
real quick. I wanted to play an

661
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:59.360
excerpt from Ciskel and Ebert's very angry
takedown of Silent Night Deadly Night. So

662
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.039
here we go, coming up next
to the movies, A film that dreams

663
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:08.760
about a red Christmas. I know, clever, I like like eber,

664
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:17.199
scary, scary. Yeah, it
repeats a little. This is beat up

665
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:22.519
on it at this week. The
controversial Santa Claus killer movie Silent Knight Deadly

666
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.480
Knight. Actually, there have been
two controversies about Silent Knights Ely Night.

667
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.800
Even before the film was released.
A couple of the ad campaign crossed the

668
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.239
fury with its brief depiction of an
axe carrying Santa Claus. The distributor of

669
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.159
this film, Tristyle Pictures, which
is co owned by Columbia Pictures Companies.

670
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.800
Again and again the same my parents, led by a Milwaukee group. Of

671
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.480
course, commercials like that usually die
out after a week anyway, So thanks

672
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.599
a lot, fellas. But there's
no question in my mind that the showing

673
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.519
of Santa with an act on free
TV and commercials is sick and sleazy and

674
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.519
means it. So let's repeat the
names of the people who did it.

675
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.400
Five Style Pictures calling by Columbia Pictures, CBS and Home Box. They're going

676
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.840
after him. Now. As for
the film, I've got news for you.

677
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.719
It's worse than the TV ads,
telling a typical mad slasher story about

678
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.679
a boy who witnesses his father being
shot and his mother being stabbed to death

679
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.480
by a maniac and a Santa Claus
suit. So now the trauma knized kid

680
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:30.159
you left came out. He impaled
one naked girl on a set of antlers,

681
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.320
another woman, another was a knife, and yet we even see Santa

682
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.920
give one little girl a bloody knife
as a gift, which act punishment as

683
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:43.639
he sits on his lap. You
might think that it would be funny Roger

684
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.079
or it's played as quite sick in
the film. So let me repeat the

685
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.519
names of the writer and director and
producers of this film. Michael Cooky wrote

686
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.159
the film, Charles E. Sellier
Junior directed it, and Ira Richard Barmack

687
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.480
produced it. You people have nothing
to be proud of, even if you

688
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.840
made a few off of all the
negative publicity. Your profits truly our blood

689
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.679
money and Silent Knight, Deadly Knight. Now, Yeah, dude, in

690
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.840
the corning, I Spit on Your
Grave as one of the two most contemptible

691
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:14.719
films I've seen. Seen on your
Grave is quite awful. I am glad

692
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.920
you mentioned those people's names, because
quite frequently they think he will make this

693
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.639
exploitation film, we'll be able to
buy our Mercedes and live in bell there

694
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:23.000
and nobody will ever know what we
did. But I would like to hear

695
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:28.920
them explain to their children and their
grandchildren that it's only a movie. I

696
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.400
think that would be a real interesting
explanation. Yeah, that's how like the

697
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.920
personally, And I want to mention, I mean, they compare this movie

698
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.159
for its detestability to I Spit on
Your Grave, a film that if people

699
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.800
have never seen it, I mean, it's a movie. That is,

700
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.960
it's violent and sleazy. It's a
movie about a woman who's raped again and

701
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.079
again and again and then kills everybody
who raped her. Also actually a pretty

702
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.039
good movie, honestly, but but
not Everybody's cup of Tea by a long

703
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:04.719
shot. So so that's the level
of hate that two of the most famous

704
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.360
mainstream movie critics of that era gave
it. They kept saying the names of

705
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.559
the parent companies, and then they
read the names of the writer's producers and

706
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:19.280
director three times. So anyway,
yeah, they were mad. Yeah,

707
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.679
I really do think that most of
that was because of that opening scene.

708
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:28.400
I think that because of its harshness, its viciousness, its mean spiritedness,

709
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.480
which is not the way the rest
of the movie is. To some extent,

710
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.119
I don't think the rest of the
movie has that level of mean spiritedness,

711
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.519
but that opening does mean We're welcome
to disagree with me if you think

712
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.199
it does. No, No,
I think the rest of the movie again,

713
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:49.239
because because of that opening scene,
you very much understand why Billy cracks

714
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:54.880
and breaks and then eventually becomes a
killer. If that opening scene would have

715
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.000
been subdued or watered down in any
way, the rest of the movie.

716
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.639
You wouldn't have had a good payoff, it wouldn't have emotionally felt as rewarding.

717
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.079
I guess rewarding is a bad I
know what you're saying. Though it's

718
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.239
an important part of the story.
Yeah, it matters, and it pays

719
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.760
off. Unfortunately, payoff is in
the fact that Billy becomes a monster.

720
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:22.519
But it is a payoff nonetheless.
I mean it's like, that's one thing

721
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:28.079
about storytelling. And I can bitch
about storytelling on Weekly Spooky because I work

722
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.719
with some incredible authors. But at
the end of the day, if something

723
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:37.400
is on a page and it's made
up, everything's a story point. I'm

724
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.440
sorry. If it's a murder,
if it's a rape, if it's incest,

725
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:44.360
whatever horrible atrocities it is, it's
all a story point. It's all

726
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.719
to do something. Usually to get
a reaction from the audience, you need

727
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.679
to make them hopefully be entertained by
the project. And some people just cannot

728
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.880
accept that. Yeah. Well,
and they were even saying like, I'd

729
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.920
like the people who made this film
to sit down with their children and their

730
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.000
grandchildren and explain that it's just a
movie. And in my head, I'm

731
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.400
thinking that's a very simple conversation.
You sit down and say, some things

732
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.119
are lies. This is one of
them. I think it's although, I

733
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.480
mean, if you had to sit
down with your children and your grandchildren to

734
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.559
explain to them, you know this
movie, you would just go, you

735
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:23.000
know what Christmas Eve is. Boy, we're just gonna really just in it.

736
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:25.440
I mean, yeah, no,
I mean, some things are lies.

737
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.119
This is one of them. Is
a fine although I think that doesn't

738
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.559
really click if you're under ten,
but or maybe it does. I don't

739
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.840
know. My mom was always like
he knows the difference between reality and fiction,

740
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.280
and that was not true. I
was way too young to be watching

741
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.400
what I was. Love you,
Mom, I mean no, I'm glad

742
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.280
I watched the messed up movies.
But they had an impact, so that

743
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:52.199
all being said, all things being
equal, Now Billy is being raised in

744
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:58.880
an orphanage and it's run by nuns. It's a Catholic orphanage, which many

745
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.760
orphanages are fine. It's by the
Catholic Church, so makes sense, especially

746
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.079
in the this was now like the
first part was like nineteen seventy one,

747
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.920
and now we're in like nineteen seventy
four or something. Yeah, it's only

748
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.159
been two or three years. Yeah, it's been a few years, so

749
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.679
Billy's like closer to ten. But
he's still not like a teenager or any

750
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:19.280
Yeah, still a young youngish child, yes, and a budding artist as

751
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:24.880
he is drawing. All the children
in his classroom are drawing Christmas portraits to

752
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.599
put up on the on the chalkboard. Billies. He gets sent to Mother

753
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.039
Superior because his is of Santa Claus
with a knife in his heart and a

754
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.079
reindeer with its head of which I
would love to know who drew that,

755
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.760
Like was it? Was it the
art department or did the art department guy

756
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.880
like you know, like did like
the art department had just like draw it

757
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.719
with their left hand? Or did
they like go and get like you go,

758
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.159
Like I got my nephew. He's
a little shit already. I got

759
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:59.000
him to draw it. Having made
children art for you in several different productions,

760
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.639
Yeah, I can and say,
uh, drawing left handed was probably

761
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:07.639
involved. Alcohol is also a great
way to dumb down your art. Is

762
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:15.679
that that's your that's your going that
gets blackout drunken draw with your left hand.

763
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.679
It's gonna look like a kid drew
it. It's perfect. You know.

764
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.559
It sends a weird message when I
say, hey, could you do

765
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.760
me this favorite for this movie and
you go sure, and then you just

766
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:30.840
slam whiskey. I'm like sorry,
so anyway, So so Mother Superior,

767
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.400
you know, is very telling him, you know, this is very bad,

768
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.559
sends him to his room. And
then one of the two things,

769
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.800
two words that kind of get drilled
into Billy a lot as a child,

770
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:47.280
and then you see the payoff when
he's a young adult is you've been naughty,

771
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:55.599
naughty, and you need naughty punishment
not And Mother Superior even says and

772
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:01.239
I uh uh. She says that
he was doing something very naughty and anytime

773
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.440
we do something naughty, we get
punished and the punishment is good. Yeah,

774
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.679
punishment is good. He drills that
into his head that punishment is good.

775
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:15.280
Very Catholic, no, incredibly,
And we had a discussion about Mother

776
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:21.679
Superior because she does care for all
the children, and she cares immensely about

777
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.840
Billy. It's just that her way
of showing that she cares is by punishing

778
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:30.079
him, and unfortunately, also her
way of showing that she cares is to

779
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.719
just try to force him to forget
the trauma. Well, she originally believes

780
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.199
that he doesn't remember it at all, that it happened when he was too

781
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.519
young, because the one other NNE
sister Margaret, thank you, sister Margaret

782
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.239
says like, well, here's the
evidence she wanted. And she's like evidence

783
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.480
of what do you mean? And
she's like that he he remembers what happened,

784
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.440
he remembers what happened to his parents. And she's like, this doesn't

785
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.239
mean anything. What he needs is
discipline and he needs, you know,

786
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.679
he needs to follow what I tell
him to do. Yeah, And I

787
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.599
think that when I first watched this
movie, I was a little bit more

788
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:06.840
edge lord, so I thought it
was a harsher indictment of Catholicism. It

789
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.239
still is. It's a mind of
Catholicism, but it's more an indictment of

790
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:15.599
one size fits all parenting absolutely,
which which in my opinion, is an

791
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.719
indictment of parents. It's an indictment
of churches, it's an indictment of schools.

792
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.159
Ah, yeah, to do that, because that's the thing is to

793
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.320
her, she's like mother superior.
I. My heart kind of breaks for

794
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:32.119
her because she gives she's not right. She's been trained she's been taught in

795
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:37.480
punishment herself. You can tell by
how hardened she is, you know.

796
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:45.960
So she gives Billy tons of special
attention, like tons of extra attention by

797
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:50.440
punishing him and talking to him and
punishing him more. I'm not saying that

798
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.119
that's a great thing, but like
what in general, what children need most

799
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:59.159
is your time. So she does
treat Billy like he's special. Yeah,

800
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.079
in that, And there's this part
because we get close to I think it's

801
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.000
almost right after this, where we
fast forward to like the Christmas that year,

802
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.960
and she tells Billy to like she's
like trying to straighten Billy up,

803
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.840
and then she says, now,
go downstairs and get your Christmas present because

804
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.840
all the orphans are downstairs opening Christmas
presents and everything, which is honestly very

805
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.000
heartwarming, you know that, like
all these children are getting a gift.

806
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:28.039
And when the look on her face
when she tells him to go get a

807
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.559
gift is like sincere softness for a
moment, very very brief let her guard

808
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:36.960
down. Yeah, she's happy that
he gets a gift and she wants him

809
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.320
to be happy. But then things
go bananas again because there's a man dressed

810
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:45.480
as Santa Claus there and she I
don't think that. Again. The first

811
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.280
time I watched this movie, I
thought that it was like she was trying

812
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.519
to immerse therapy him. But I
don't think that's even it. I think

813
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.719
that she just doesn't want to.
She's like, we don't put up with

814
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.480
this stuff. You do what you're
supposed to do to be a good young

815
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.639
man. Yeah, because she doesn't
say, go sit on Santa's lap.

816
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:01.639
He's nice, Go he's fine,
he's telling you know. She's like,

817
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.000
she's like, Billy, thanks Santa
Claus for the gift he got you.

818
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.760
Yeah, which is that's all manners. She's trying to make him a good

819
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:16.960
adult, failing horribly and everyway.
She actually made things worse, but may

820
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.920
have no she did. But but
maybe it's because as I'm getting older myself,

821
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.119
I'm softening a little, like I'm
understanding, like, well, I've

822
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.760
made mistakes. Yeah, this looks
like a mistake. This doesn't look like

823
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.360
malice. This looks like the unfortunate
reality. Yeah, and that's of these

824
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.760
things. What I said to you
was to me, it seems like Mother

825
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:45.880
Superior was the antagonist, but not
the villain. Because this is a really

826
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.440
interesting way to put it. I
like that because because Billy is really the

827
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.480
protagonist, he's a main character.
He's a main character, and again,

828
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.360
you do you want to at least
see how his story resolves. You may

829
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.280
not be rooting for him as he's
killing all these people, but you're like,

830
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.280
I at least want to know where
this ends up for him. It's

831
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.199
a fun ride. Most of the
people he killed, not all, but

832
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.360
most of them are being assholes.
Yeah so, and since he kills them

833
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:14.360
with Christmas ephemera, it does become
a fun time. There's a reason people

834
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.519
watch this at parties and drink beer. I coined a new term with David

835
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:23.559
on do you even movie recently where
I said I called the movie a beer

836
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:28.280
and Nacho's movie, and Dave was
like, man, now I'm going to

837
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.320
use that forever. And I was
like, yeah, that's a good one.

838
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.920
Yeah, beach and this is definitely
a good beer cho Yeah, I

839
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.719
agree. But I think that it's
actually gotten more to it. It does

840
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.000
if you're if you're willing to it's
it's steak and potatoes. Oh yes,

841
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.519
you know. And I think that
the steak is trauma and Catholicism, And

842
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:52.360
I think the potatoes is topless Lena
quickly getting antlered to death. So I

843
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.639
mean maybe I'm just twisted. But
then again, if you're listening to Weekly

844
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.519
Spooky and you're hanging out with us
on cutting deep into horror, I mean

845
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.159
you're not in the same Yeah,
you're probably the same level of twisted as

846
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:08.400
we are. Exactly so, Billy, instead of thinking Santa Claus Freakin cole

847
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:13.679
cox him punchet the meanest right hook
I have seen out of an eight year

848
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.079
old in my goddamn life. Big
ups to the stuntman who played Santa,

849
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.320
because he sold it like he got
clocked by Clint Eastwood in the Western.

850
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.719
He just flew back. And then
when Mother Superior takes him upstairs to whoop

851
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.119
him, he gets up and his
noses bleeding onto the beard and he just

852
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:34.000
goes, what the hell's wrong with
that kid? And I felt so bad

853
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.079
for the Santa too, because it's
like, try to be nice, go

854
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:42.360
play Santa for some orphans, and
this is this is the thanks but I

855
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.039
can't. But we'll get into more
of the rip roaring fun of a nun

856
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:51.280
beating a poor child who's just traumatized. But first we need to go to

857
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.239
a quick commercial break, because what's
more Christmas than a little commerce. We'll

858
00:59:54.239 --> 01:00:10.079
be right back, and we're back
here on cutting deep in horror, talking

859
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.519
about one of my favorite horror movies
of all time, let alone Christmas horror

860
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.960
movies, Silent Night, Deadly Night. And we're getting into some of the

861
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:21.440
pathos that I think is the best, which is all the catholic stuff at

862
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.840
the beginning. I think that really
helps establish what's going on. And when

863
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.760
we were listening to the screenwriter talk
earlier about writing the film, he had

864
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.159
mentioned that he spent all of his
time working on Act one and two because

865
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:37.079
then act three just fell into place
based on how much he developed Act one

866
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:38.920
and two. And I believe that
with this movie, Oh absolutely so,

867
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.920
Mother Superior has taken Billy away for
cold cockings. And I cannot overstate,

868
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:49.920
guys, that was like a John
Wayne fight scene. Punch dude did the

869
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.480
arms and legs wide out, like
fall out of the chair thing. I

870
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.159
just flew like three feeback. Every
time I watched that movie, I'm always

871
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.239
like wow when he socks him because
he flies so far. So this kid

872
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:04.920
should be in boxing school. Well, you know he well, and then

873
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.320
they establish just very soon after this
that he's very strong. He's a strong

874
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:13.840
little boy. He's a strong because
when he's eighteen, he's like built like

875
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:17.840
an ox. So. But part
of part of the the pathos, the

876
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.519
Catholic pathos that we have is,
you know, Billy got in trouble for

877
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.039
drawing that very violent Christmas picture,
and you know, he was naughty and

878
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.760
he got punished. Right, he
wasn't grateful to Santa for his presence,

879
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.440
so he was naughty and he got
punished. Then he's he's kind of moping

880
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.280
about in his room and sister Margaret
says, you know what, I think

881
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.159
you should come outside and play.
Yeah, because his brother's outside, because

882
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.000
we forgot to mention Ricky is there
too. Ricky's just a bit younger than

883
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.639
him, so they're together. So
Ricky Ricky at this point would be like

884
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.199
four or five. Yeah, and
Billy, you know, is a little

885
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:54.880
bit older. So Billy finally,
you know, okay, I can at

886
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.840
least go outside and play. And
he gets gets bundled up, and as

887
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:04.840
he walking through the halls, he
hears some moaning and some noises and he

888
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.960
starts sneaking around and he finds a
room that's that's kind of off somewhere one

889
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.719
of the other their bunk rooms all
yeah, like a closed bunk room or

890
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.239
something appears that we're supposed to.
I think think that either one or both

891
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:23.119
of these are older orphans. I
got the vibe that they were older orphans,

892
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.320
or at least one of them lived
there, and maybe the other one

893
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.440
was like a boyfriend yeah or something
or something something yeah. And and and

894
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:32.000
the way they depict it is great. I mean, like because they show

895
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:36.000
little Billy looking and they did the
keyhole light. You see the light of

896
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.480
the key hole, like making his
blue eyes glow, and they show just

897
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.199
like the bumping and the grinding.
But this is so catholic, you're right,

898
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.920
Yeah, because then when he sees
a nipple, he immediately sees his

899
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.559
mother's top being ripped open by killer
Sanna. He's he's not only traumatized by

900
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.000
violence, he is traumatized by sex. Oh, deeply, deeply, deeply

901
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:04.719
disturbed by sex. So he's he's
scared and he's watching. And then Mother

902
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.920
Superior comes around the corner and sees
little Billy peeking into a key hole,

903
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:13.239
and immediately her catholic sensors are all
the way up. So she comes and

904
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.639
she pushes him out of the way
and throws open the door and starts whipping

905
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:22.079
those kids. Billy runs outside to
play with the other kids and else that

906
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:27.119
he hasn't been naughty well because he
doesn't even know what he hasn't witnessed.

907
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.000
Really, no, all he knows
is that it was naughty. Yeah.

908
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:35.400
So he's outside playing and sister Margaret
is there, and then Mother Superior comes.

909
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:39.400
She's got you know, she's got
her belt at the ready, and

910
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.960
she confronts Billy and asks him if
he knew what he saw, and he

911
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.159
says, no, I don't know
what I saw, and that's when she

912
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:51.920
says the line that what he saw
was something that was very, very naughty,

913
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.159
and anytime you're naughty, you get
punished, and then he gets punished

914
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:58.880
just for seeing it. She says
that they thought they could not get caught,

915
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:04.119
but God always catches us when we're
naughty, which is on one hand

916
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:13.719
an effective morality tool and on another
hand pretty damaging. It is. Well,

917
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:15.400
and do you want to know something
that's very interesting? I would love

918
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:24.960
to They've done psychological studies on that
extremely authoritative parenting or learning style of telling

919
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.360
a young child, like, if
you are bad, then an authority figure

920
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:32.000
will punish you. That is only
effective if the authority figure is present.

921
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.880
Once you remove the authority figure,
there is no longer in that child's mind

922
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:44.000
any resource for punishment, So suddenly
everything is allowed. But did they interview

923
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:48.760
them after they were burning in hell
for eternity? I mean, that's a

924
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:53.079
longitudinal study, so they're going to
have to get a few more research subjects.

925
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.760
But okay, no. Interesting.
And that's one of the things that

926
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:03.960
I think is kind of interesting about
this movie is because Billy doesn't start punishing

927
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:10.119
other people until he's taken out of
the environment where there is an authority figure,

928
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:15.400
and suddenly, in his mind,
because punishment is inevitable, he becomes

929
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.760
that authority figure, the one to
dish out the punishment. That's a very

930
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:24.039
interesting take. I like that a
lot so and we're actually we're almost there

931
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:29.000
anyway. So yeah, so she
does she does make it clear to him

932
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:30.719
like that, you know, what
they were doing was naughty, and that

933
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.239
the reason she's punishing him now is
he was not to leave his room.

934
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:38.199
Yes, of course, Sister Margaret's
like, I told him he could leave

935
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:40.760
his room and she's like nope,
Like, he's still the one who did

936
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.679
it. He knew that I told
him he couldn't leave his room. So

937
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.119
she punishes him, but then she
mentions the Sister Margaret at one point like

938
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.639
I will think I will help him. I will make sure that he can

939
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:55.880
be a good young man. So
now we fast forward, we have a

940
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.519
little time jump. I'm pretty sure
that that's right where that happens. That's

941
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.360
about ten years later, and we're
at a little place called IRA's Toys Store,

942
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:04.440
which is super cute, by the
way, Like I would love to

943
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:10.360
go out there. Yeah, and
uh, And they're in Iris Toy Store

944
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:16.119
and Sister Margaret is chatting with a
with the mister Simms who runs Iris Toys.

945
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.079
I'd assume he owns it, who
knows, And she's talking with him

946
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.000
and saying, like, you know, we're looking for a job for one

947
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.000
of our kids, because obviously,
if you don't get adopted, aging out

948
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.880
of the orphanage would be really tough, you know. And and they make

949
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:32.199
it clear they're not they're not trying
to kick him out when he's eighteen,

950
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.320
but they need him to work,
they need him to become self sufficient,

951
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:40.400
and so He's like, listen,
his sister, I don't need a kid

952
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.960
around here. You know, I
need somebody who can unload trucks day and

953
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.719
day out, palettes and skids full
of toys or blah blah blah. Not

954
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.000
a job for a kid. She's
like, oh, of course not.

955
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:53.480
You couldn't use a child, couldn't
do something. He's like, exactly,

956
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:55.840
thank you, Oh, Billy's right
here. Would kid to me? He

957
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:57.480
was like, that's okay, I
don't want to meet him. And then

958
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:01.320
he looks at him, and Billy
has grown into quite the strapping young man,

959
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.360
like a brick shit house. And
when they cast the lead actor,

960
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.840
he was a He was an athlete. He had been I believe he had

961
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.079
been an Olympic competitor, or at
least he had been on an Olympic team

962
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.880
for some athletic thing. He was
very built, yeah, very built,

963
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.840
very tall, probably at least six
feet tall. It looked like six three

964
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:25.280
six four. Maybe that's kind of
giant. I think I'm basing that just

965
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.719
based on the fact that it looks
as tall as one of my brothers.

966
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.880
That's fair. No, that's a
fair point. That's a fair point.

967
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.400
And also they intentionally cast a character
that he kills later with the shortest guy

968
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:38.679
they could get in order to have
the scene where yeah, we'll talk about

969
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.119
a minute. It's really cool,
but but no, so he all of

970
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.719
a sudden he goes, oh,
and then he's thrilled to have Billy.

971
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.039
Yeah, Billy's could clearly unload a
truck all by himself. Then we have

972
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:54.960
one of my favorite moments in the
movie where there's a montage that is like

973
01:07:55.159 --> 01:08:00.960
straight out of a fucking eighties sitcom
or even a seventy sitcom. We have

974
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:04.119
this wholesome music for a song called
on the Warm Side of the Door,

975
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:09.400
which actually kind of love that song, but yeahs like yeah, because it's

976
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:15.599
like someone will love you and hug
you on the warm side of the door,

977
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:16.880
And I just I think that's a
really cute way to say, like

978
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.560
inside their house. It's a cute
way to put it warm side of the

979
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:26.880
door. But he's literally like moving
things out of a truck, and like

980
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.439
they show my favorite moment was he
clocks in, and they show that he

981
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.000
clocks in right before two other people
do, so he's the first person to

982
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.600
clock in other than the boss.
And after he clocks in, he turns

983
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.920
around and he goes, oh,
and he like fixes some toys that are

984
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:42.239
like askew. And right then mister
Simms opens the door and sees him fixing

985
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.960
the toys and just like makes that
like that kid like smile like that like

986
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:49.840
smiling and nodding like he's a good
one. And then there's like he's like

987
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:54.079
in the breakroom and he has like
his lunch box and the guy of the

988
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.560
short guy who's like the supervisor.
I forget his name, but the short

989
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.279
guy's the supervisor. He's like offers
him like a little shot of like Jack

990
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.159
Daniels or something. He keeps at
his desk and he holds up a milk.

991
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:06.279
He goes like, I got milk, Little I drink milk. Yeah,

992
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:13.199
he's like. It's so freaking wholesome
in every way. It's one of

993
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.800
my favorite parts of the whole movie
because it feels out of place, but

994
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:17.960
honestly, I don't think it is
at all. I think it fits in

995
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.159
perfectly. Of course, the director
also came from making frigging Grizzly Adams and

996
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.640
stuff like that, so he he
made a lot of wholesome content. Yeah,

997
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.279
so, but I'm sorry you were
saying I was I was just looking

998
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.800
through my notes. The short guy's
name was Andy. Oh okay, yeah,

999
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:39.399
and he's like a very short I
would assume Italian guy. And I

1000
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:41.640
mean, okay, fine, you
don't want to. I mean, he's

1001
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.159
not a bad looking guy or something. I'm not. I'm not hating on

1002
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.159
him, but you know, he
looks like kind of a short Italian guy

1003
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:50.920
and uh, and he's very mouthy
but uh. Anyway, so things are

1004
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:57.560
going great with his job until around
about Christmas time they unveil a giant,

1005
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:03.560
beautiful, old school Christmas banner and
they start having Christmas decorations and a Santa

1006
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:08.399
Claus in the building, and all
of a sudden, Billy's mood and temperament

1007
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.439
change and he starts not giving a
crap about his job as much. And

1008
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:16.159
Andy is a jerk. He's totally
a jerk, but he does like make

1009
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:18.560
a point where he's like, look, man, I could just like when

1010
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.399
I give you a hard time,
I could just go to SIMS. He'll

1011
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.399
fire you, like I'm telling I'm
telling you, like, hey, get

1012
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.119
your work done, and you're just
being a jerk to me, you know.

1013
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.199
Yeah. So, and then there's
also other little things like Billy has

1014
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.800
a crush on a girl who works
there, but it becomes very clear that

1015
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:40.000
Andy is pretty much lay in that
groundwork for him to date her and all

1016
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:48.199
of this. So then my moving
too fast and we're Then it turns out

1017
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:57.840
a certain employee broke their leg ice
skating and they need somebody jolly to play

1018
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:00.800
Santa, and mister Simms does not
want to do it, even though he's

1019
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.600
the only tall, fat man at
all start well, and he even has

1020
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:10.479
that argument with the secretary. Oh
no, He's like, I'm not going

1021
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:13.279
to do that, and and and
he even says like, can't we get

1022
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:16.359
somebody just from from the temp agents
temporary agents because it's old so he's at

1023
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:19.560
that temporary agency. And she's like, well, everybody who works at the

1024
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:25.239
temp agency is a woman, and
we need a man for this position who's

1025
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:29.880
six foot and jolly. And he's
like, oh no, oh the casting

1026
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.520
and this is great. But like
mister Simms and that secretary are two of

1027
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:41.039
my favorite roles in the whole film
because they're so like cartoony. Uh so,

1028
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:45.640
so they go to Billy and basically
say like you be Sanna, Yeah,

1029
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:50.479
and then they show him in the
Santa suit. I love that reveal,

1030
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.079
the look on his face when he's
looking in the mirror at himself as

1031
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:58.640
Sanna so dead inside. I think
he looked I think it was like empty,

1032
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.399
but like there was like a fear
yeah as well, yeah in him.

1033
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:06.920
But but mister Simson, the secretary
are just gushing over him, like

1034
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.800
he looks cute. Yeah, well
you have he has like big cheek bones.

1035
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.439
Yeah, so it Actually he looks
good in the sand of beard because

1036
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:15.039
he's got big cheek bones. You
can paint him red, you know.

1037
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.920
Yeah, And he did look I
mean, aside from the dead eyes,

1038
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.800
he looked jolly well. Plus I
mean like if you were I mean you've

1039
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.520
worked in I've worked a lot less
retail than you, but we both worked

1040
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.159
in retail. Like if you liked
somebody you were working with and then they

1041
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.920
had to do something that was kind
of obnoxious like that, you would want

1042
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:35.600
to laugh about it together. Well, you're definitely fat and jolly, she

1043
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.680
says when he sees her there.
But my favorite moment is as he's looked

1044
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.680
as mister Simms is looking at him
in the mirror, He's like, all

1045
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:45.279
right, now, go out there, have a good time and try not

1046
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:49.479
to scare any of the little bastards
someone have actually think this guy is scary

1047
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:55.600
crazy huh, And Billy's just sitting
there staring in the mirror. No,

1048
01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:01.560
he goes, yeah crazy. It's
so good. It's so good. I

1049
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:06.000
hate that this movie gets pigeonholed.
Is just being a cheese fest. It

1050
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:12.600
is a cheese fest, but it's
got so many great moments that legitimately make

1051
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.079
me go, damn, this is
good. This is the reason it holds

1052
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.760
up. Yeah, is because it's
damn good. And as much as I

1053
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:20.520
do love all the other ones,
I mean it's the one that, in

1054
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.880
my opinion, feels like it has
the most heart and feels like it has

1055
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.119
the most to say. All the
other ones are just a really good time

1056
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.439
and they do a really good job
with the Chris Christmas iconography. They do

1057
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.439
a really good job with making you
feel Christmasy, because my favorite reason to

1058
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:38.560
watch Christmas movies, read Christmas books, tell Christmas horror stories on the show

1059
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.640
is to get myself in that spirit
and hope that I can make other people

1060
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.239
go like, oh yeah, Christmas
eve time, Yeah, you know,

1061
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:48.760
because it is it's a different time
of year. Yeah. So now he's

1062
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:54.039
sitting there and a little girl's on
his lap and she's like squirming and squirming

1063
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:56.000
and being a pain in the ass, and he's like, stop it,

1064
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.600
stop it, you're being naughty.
Do you know what I do to children

1065
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:02.880
who are not? I punish them? And then she starts crying. Yeah,

1066
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.199
and the mom like takes her aways, like huh, well, and

1067
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:09.640
it's great because the girl is kind
of like silent crying. Oh, so

1068
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:14.119
she stops fussing and she just makes
that face and just puckers up and then

1069
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:16.000
goes to her mom. And then
all the parents are like, oh,

1070
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.680
look how good he is with the
children because they meet the little girl.

1071
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.159
Shut up. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, no, it's so good.

1072
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.399
It's so good. So now,
and they don't say how long Billy is

1073
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.239
being Santa, but I would assume
a few days, it seems like it,

1074
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.399
yeah, or maybe it was just
maybe it was just Christmas Eve.

1075
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:36.159
Yeah, but long enough that it
has broken his psyche. But then the

1076
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:41.760
next step to how they build him
as a killer, and it's a big

1077
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:46.039
one, is when the store closes
and the holiday Christmas party starts. And

1078
01:14:46.079 --> 01:15:01.920
we'll get to that right after this
quick commercial break and we are back,

1079
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:09.079
and now mister Simms has said seven
o'clock time to close down and gets ship

1080
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:15.399
faced it. I wish mister Simms
was my boss. Well, there's one

1081
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:21.960
one short little thing before they closed
down the shop is Sister Margaret calls the

1082
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.279
shop, finds out that they've put
him in the Santa suit, and you

1083
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:30.079
can see the fear wash over her
face. So she has like an inkling

1084
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:34.800
because again she believed, ever since
he was a young child, that he

1085
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:39.279
still has these latent memories. Even
if they're latent, they're there. She

1086
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:44.479
believes the trauma. Uh mother Superior
felt that she could discipline it out of

1087
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:49.039
him, right, so it was
a lot easier for Sister Margaret. Once

1088
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:55.359
she heard that Billy's being forced to
play Sanna, she immediately goes into panic

1089
01:15:55.439 --> 01:16:00.479
mode because she understands that this is
kind of the heart of his trump and

1090
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:05.199
and I agree. But then as
the Christmas party starts, of course Billy's

1091
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:11.199
still in his Santa suit. Something
that usually makes things go better and not

1092
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:15.279
get out of control happens, which
is alcohol is added. Usually that makes

1093
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:19.079
everything go better and smoother, Yeah, and less police. Yeah, that

1094
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:25.000
never causes any problems. Ever,
mister Sims, who's being super nice.

1095
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:28.560
He's like, you know, he's
really being kind to Billy. Oh yeah,

1096
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.800
because he like he pours him a
drink and he's like, take a

1097
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:32.720
drink and he takes it here and
he's like he's like and he's like,

1098
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:34.359
oh, I go on, drink
it, and he's like, stick with

1099
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:38.640
me, kid. You know what
did he say? Like you want recognize

1100
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.920
stick with me and by the end
of the night you'll think you're really Santa

1101
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.720
Claus. Well, then he mentioned
something about his parents and he says,

1102
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:48.520
my parents are dead. He goes, I forgot. I'm sorry because it's

1103
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:53.039
like he literally hired him from an
orphanage. But he's shit faced. So

1104
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:59.640
now Billy's getting shit faced and Sims
is like in a like poetic sounds extreme,

1105
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.720
but he's like poetically making comments about
like that he is Santa. So

1106
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:09.079
he's like, you'll have to sober
up soon, you know. A night

1107
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.319
he's just like I do, and
he's like, well, you know what

1108
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.960
Santa does on Christmas Eve, don't
you? And he just and Billy just

1109
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:24.159
yeah, I do, and you're
just like oh oh. So a lot

1110
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:27.680
of this came from Billy's psyche breaking
and then him getting drunk for the first

1111
01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:31.800
time, well and getting drunk for
the first time, and the whole time

1112
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.760
he's sitting there and kind of talking
back and forth with mister Simms, he's

1113
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:42.720
also watching Andy make the moves on
pain making I'm angry, really pissing him

1114
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.359
off. Yeah, So after mister
Simms kind of goes off to just get

1115
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.319
drunk with the secretary. I still
can't remember her name. In many ways,

1116
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:53.520
by the way, mister Sims caused
the entire massacre. So really,

1117
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:57.520
mister Sims is the villain. I
mean I in a way. I mean,

1118
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:00.920
if mister Sims didn't cause the massacre
by putting him in the suit,

1119
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.159
he definitely did by saying, you're
Sanna. You know what Sanna does on

1120
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:06.760
Christmas Eve, which that scene is
so like you're like, haha, oh

1121
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:13.039
fuck, like it's funny until it's
really not funny anymore. And that's about

1122
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.640
what he says, Yeah, I
know what he does, and you're like,

1123
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:19.239
oh, okay. So yeah.
So then he finally gets fed up

1124
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:24.720
and goes to the back room where
where Andy has taken this young woman because

1125
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.239
he has a gift for her and
as a gift. He says that he

1126
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.479
doesn't want anyone else to see,
and she knows kind of what he's barking

1127
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.680
at because they're like kissing at each
other and like and pawing at each other

1128
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:40.039
on the way back. But then
as as Billy is coming back there,

1129
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:44.239
Andy is getting out of hand.
I think maybe the idea, because it

1130
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:46.000
comes off is kind of sudden.
I think maybe the idea is that he

1131
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.800
had too much to drink. Oh
absolutely, because he starts like really getting

1132
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:55.199
forceful with her and really going beyond
what's appropriate as far as like, you

1133
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.520
know, fooling around with somebody.
He like rips her top and he's like

1134
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.640
and he's laughing about it, which
is why I kind of think their idea

1135
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:02.520
was that he was just he was
just like blackout drunk because she's mad at

1136
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:06.359
him, you know, for doing
that rightfully. So but then Billy comes

1137
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:12.279
in and wraps a piece of Christmas
lights around his neck and just like it

1138
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:15.239
hangs him by holding him up in
the air. And I love that he

1139
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.239
did the actual pose you would have
to do to do that. He stands

1140
01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:23.680
with one arm behind him, both
legs a shoulder distance apart, and just

1141
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.560
holds him straight up as high as
he can, which is why I think

1142
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.199
they cast the smallest guy they could
because he hangs him by holding him in

1143
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:34.000
the air, which which also again
it establishes so that Billy's really strong,

1144
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:39.640
which makes him a formidable killer.
It makes you believe a lot more of

1145
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.640
anything else he does, because you
know, when he swings an axe in

1146
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:44.720
a guy's head comes off, you're
like, well he did hang a guy

1147
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.880
with his freakin' arm. Yeah,
he's pretty strong. But as soon as

1148
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:51.239
he kills him, he looks over
at this young woman and he thinks that

1149
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:56.079
she'll at least be somewhat you know, have gratitude, and she's just like,

1150
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:58.399
what is wrong with you? Because
you know her attitude is like he

1151
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:00.000
was being an asshole. You should
have like punched in the face. Yeah,

1152
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:04.159
not kill him, murdered him.
That was a very very sudden esclamation

1153
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:09.399
escalation of events that escalated very quickly. I have a trident, you know,

1154
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.840
So she screams and then that leads
him to kill her. And we

1155
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:16.319
also I forgot to mention when he
sees her top being popped open, he

1156
01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:21.640
again flashes back to his mother being
murdered again, sex triggering his trauma,

1157
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:27.399
which is you know, important to
point out again that he's like incredibly well

1158
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:32.600
developed as a psychopath. Yeah,
as a psychopath. Yeah. So as

1159
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.800
as that's kind of going on in
the back, mister Sims and the secretary,

1160
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:40.199
they're up front and they're they're keeping
drinking and that they like says,

1161
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:45.439
putting on Christmas hats and everything,
and mister Simms keeps asking like, I

1162
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.439
think I every just heard something.
So eventually he decides to go in the

1163
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:55.359
back room because it's kind of us
that he's the boss, even though he's

1164
01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:58.800
ship faced, he's got to take
care of everything. So he walks back

1165
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.119
there and he kind of starts in
and you know, asking like, well,

1166
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:06.560
what's going on, and we know
that Billy's back there waiting for him

1167
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:13.039
and stalking him. Yes, And
so that that brief moment of cat and

1168
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:20.520
mouse is so scary because you don't
hate mister Simms. He's decent enough,

1169
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.560
yeah, But at the same time, there's only one way this can go

1170
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:30.439
well. And and you know,
when it comes to like the andy,

1171
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.119
he was being naughty by attacking her, but for her, she was being

1172
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:36.439
naughty by going off to be alone
with him and maybe take her clothes off.

1173
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:40.800
You know, that's the way he's
seeing things. So with mister Simms,

1174
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.239
it's like he's drunk. That's naughty. You know, he's not being

1175
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:50.159
good right now, you know,
and he probably overcharges. Yeah. So

1176
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:59.119
as as mister Simms is kind of
drunkenly stumbling around the back room, finally

1177
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:01.680
we see Billy and he's got you
know, that claw hammer in his hands,

1178
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:06.399
and just right in a miss mister
Sim's head claws eyed right on the

1179
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:12.239
top. A man got very hammered
after he got shit faced. Your well,

1180
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.880
well he wanted to get super drunk. Well. Hell, so now

1181
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:20.039
up front, the secretary's kind of
by herself and at first, being so

1182
01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:24.279
drunk, she doesn't really notice much
as going on. But then after a

1183
01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:27.880
few minutes she's she notices, like, where is mister Sims? So she

1184
01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.640
kind of starts, well, she
constantly says his name, which I actually

1185
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:34.079
love about her character because it's so
obnoxious. She always like, I don't

1186
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:39.720
know mister Sims, but that's a
mister Sims. And all I could think

1187
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:44.239
was like, man, could you
imagine being her cat? He'd run away?

1188
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:51.359
Oh? Absolutely, mister whiskers.
So so she starts trying to figure

1189
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:55.640
what happens, and then the power
goes out, classic horror movie moment.

1190
01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.640
But instead of being oh, not
the power, it's the main lights went

1191
01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:02.640
off because she being scared, she
goes ooh because because the lights go off,

1192
01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:05.720
all the Christmas lights are on.
And she looks over at the big

1193
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:09.960
display with the model trad She's just
look at how pretty it is. She's

1194
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:14.399
like, oh, and which I
could see that, Like if I was

1195
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.079
her, I would assume mister Sims
had like shut the light off and was

1196
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.399
kind of like, you know,
it was kind of like, ain't it

1197
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:24.279
pretty? I'm so drunk, you
know, Yeah, yeah, I can

1198
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:27.680
appreciate mister Simms. He's kind of
an MVP because, like, poor guy

1199
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.399
worked his butt off, it's Christmas
time, and uh, he just wanted

1200
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:33.319
to get wasted before he went home. You know, can you blame a

1201
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:36.239
man? I'm pretty sure he's Jewish. I'm just saying it out. I

1202
01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:40.880
mean, like, well, because
the store is called IRA's Toys. Uh,

1203
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:43.199
not that that's always a Jewish name, but I kind of felt like

1204
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:46.079
they hinted at like that it was
a very famers were Jewish, So it's

1205
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.920
like, yeah, he just wants
to get ship faced then go home and

1206
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:51.199
get get some sleep, you know, like you know, he's not it's

1207
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:55.039
not his holiday, but it's good
for business. I mean I think he

1208
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.720
even says something along those lines.
Could be so so anyway, but now

1209
01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:04.000
she's, uh, oh, help
me out figure the f I lost my

1210
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.960
train of thought. So she goes
to investigate. She's kind of like walk

1211
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.800
around because she's like, why is
the lights off? Yeah? She she

1212
01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:17.800
goes to the back and pretty much
immediately sees mister Simms dead, you know,

1213
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.279
with the hammer in his head in
a pile of boxes, which anyone,

1214
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:25.319
regardless of how drunk you are,
you're going to be a little unsettled

1215
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.960
by that perhaps, So she immediately
you know, runs back up front and

1216
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.520
runs to the front door, but
it's locked, right but mister Simms is

1217
01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.079
the one who had the key,
so she can't unlock it without going back

1218
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:41.560
there, So she starts kind of
like running and hiding around the aisles,

1219
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:45.239
which is when Billy comes and you
see the the shot of him with you

1220
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:49.479
know, with his fire axe,
and because that's where the axe came from

1221
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:53.600
is from the back in the promo
photos and stuff they show. Some of

1222
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:56.319
them show a double sided axe,
but in the movie he uses a fire

1223
01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:00.800
axe because fire axes are the ax
that you can encounter and wild and just

1224
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:01.960
pick up, and you know,
you know, it makes sense, like

1225
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:04.800
in horror movies, it's almost always
a fire x because why would there just

1226
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:09.760
be an axe unless you're at a
lumber yard or some shit. So he

1227
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:15.720
starts stalking her around, and again
the cat and mouse of him being in

1228
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.399
the toy store, because really,
these people are trapped with him. Yeah,

1229
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:26.279
oh yeah. So he starts stalking
her around the aisles and you see

1230
01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:30.079
him come around a corner and he
sees a pile of boxes that he's certain

1231
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:33.479
she is hiding under, so he
swings at the boxes. She's not in

1232
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:38.880
there, but she's behind him,
so she pushes him forward and she grabs

1233
01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:41.520
the axe and runs to the window
to break it open. Yeah, her

1234
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.279
plan is, which is brilliant.
So the way the store is they have

1235
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.079
all glass all window front, but
it's been painted, you know, decorated

1236
01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:53.439
for the holidays, you know,
which I thought was a brilliant art direction

1237
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:58.640
for multiple reasons. It's charming looking
but also movie magic. There's probably nothing

1238
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:01.560
outside it's probably on a sounds so
and if it is on a sound stage,

1239
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.800
or you know, if you just
don't want like what's outside, you

1240
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:08.399
can hide. But anyway, I
digress, but so brilliant move to think

1241
01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:12.000
like I'll just shatter the damn window
and run out. Yeah. But as

1242
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:14.640
she runs up and is about to, she first she goes. I like

1243
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.399
the hesitation because at first she's about
to do the door, but then she

1244
01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:20.319
realizes, wait, the door's small, like I should do the main glass

1245
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.039
so I can get out for sure. And then as she's about to,

1246
01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:28.119
we cut to Billy and Billy has
picked up a bow and arrow. Yeah,

1247
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.520
and he wheels it back, shoots
it and and and again, going

1248
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.920
back to how strong Billy is.
It goes clean through her. And then

1249
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:40.920
we have the cuts to the Nutcrackers, which I love that. I love

1250
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.399
that scene, and I love that
she falls down and there's the toy train

1251
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.560
set kind of her falls into a
little Christmas scene. Yeah, it's really

1252
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:54.880
cool. And the one Santa that
they kept, the Santa statue that they

1253
01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:59.279
kept cutting to, they just kind
of have that it right behind her,

1254
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.600
just moving its little tiny head and
looking so cheerful. And then you've got

1255
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.479
this dead woman with an arrow through
her. And when they cut to the

1256
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:11.079
nutcrackers, they look like they're all
screaming, yeah, because their mouths are

1257
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.479
open. Nutcrackers always look creepy to
me, a little bit perfect. So

1258
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:19.720
then Billy comes up to the door, he has the key, he gets

1259
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:25.199
out, and we kind of it
kind of fades, and then immediately sister

1260
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:30.600
Margaret comes and pushes the door open, and she sees the utter massacre that's

1261
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:36.279
happened, and so she's the one
who who's kind of put herself in charge

1262
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:44.560
of getting Billy apprehended in anyway.
And I would say the most underdeveloped part

1263
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.479
of the whole film is the is
the somewhat like b plot of her working

1264
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:51.119
with the police to find Billy.
But it's there and it serves its purpose,

1265
01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:54.600
but I do feel like it's kind
of the weakest link of the movie.

1266
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.800
Yeah, but I feel if they
were to strengthen that, it would

1267
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.680
have made the movie so much longer
that it that wouldn't have had their payoff.

1268
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:06.720
Yeah, I could really see that, actually for sure. So now

1269
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:14.800
Billy instead of instead of instead,
instead of everyone being trapped in the toy

1270
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:19.159
shop with Billy now it is that
Billy is on the loose in this small

1271
01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:24.199
town, oh where Santa Claus supposed
to go on Christmas Eve to town.

1272
01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:30.960
It's in the damn song He's coming
to Town. So again, beautiful juxtaposition

1273
01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:34.079
through this film, because you know, we've we just had this massacre of

1274
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:41.079
where four people are killed brutally.
Yeah, and now we're outside and there's

1275
01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:45.000
carolers and they're round singing and there's
bright flashing lights. And this is where

1276
01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:50.680
the film kind of steps into the
more kind of traditional slasher movie territory because

1277
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:54.680
we get like a guy and a
girl or making out on a pool table,

1278
01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.760
which apparently, yeah, you think
is just the worst thing ever.

1279
01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:00.760
And they're so they're making out on
a pool table. The guy is like,

1280
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.000
I can't stand listening to these carolers, so he puts this the radio

1281
01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:09.800
on. But then there's a sound
at the door. Well, sorry,

1282
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:14.279
there's a sound at the stairs.
Yeah, there's an unexpected guest. Now

1283
01:29:14.319 --> 01:29:30.199
who is that guest? We'll find
out. After these quick messages we are

1284
01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:34.720
back on cutting deep into horror,
and an unexpected guest has just leveled down

1285
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:41.359
upon our making out teenagers. And
it's a little girl. He's refusing to

1286
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:45.800
fall asleep because she wants to see
Santa, because who doesn't want to see

1287
01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:50.479
Santa tonight? So so, so
the teenagers are trying to like throw her

1288
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.119
off the scent, like no,
it's it's boring down here. We're just

1289
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.239
doing homework. They they're in the
basement and she's at the top of the

1290
01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:01.640
basement stairs because they're like taking out. Her top is open, and now

1291
01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:04.039
all of a sudden she's coming out. She's coming down to the She's like,

1292
01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:10.319
don't you come down here. We're
we're doing our homework, which is

1293
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:15.279
classic yeah, classic yeah, and
uh so then she basically says like,

1294
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:18.319
you know, it's pretty naughty if
you stay awake, Santa won't even come

1295
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:23.439
and bring you anything. And she's
like really, it's like yeah. So

1296
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:28.600
the little girl's like, okay,
I guess I'll go back to bed rump,

1297
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:32.840
and she goes back to bed.
So they get back to Canoodland.

1298
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:36.319
That's a good word. I like
that. I think you've you've said that

1299
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:40.680
before. Oh, I'm sure said
I say a lot of things. So

1300
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:45.960
they get back to Canotlan, but
they keep hearing like jingling at the door

1301
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:49.640
and so finally the teenage girl.
She says, Oh, it's got to

1302
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:53.560
be. The cat wants back in. Cat wants back in. Yeah,

1303
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.239
well, she doesn't even say it's
got to be. She's just like,

1304
01:30:55.399 --> 01:31:00.840
she's like, hold on, the
cat wants inside. So of course she

1305
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.840
goes upstairs to let us on a
pair of these dukes. You know.

1306
01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:05.479
He slips on a pair of short
shorts real quick. No shirt though,

1307
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:13.000
why why bother? So she goes
upstairs and opens the door, starts calling

1308
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:16.760
for the kitty cat, and no
kitty cat to be found, not a

1309
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:24.439
one. Uh So she kind of
mumbles and grumbles and gets ready to close

1310
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:30.840
the door, and then here comes
Billy, and Billy is carrying an axe,

1311
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:33.800
still has an axe, because what
he does is he throws the axe

1312
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:39.159
and it barely misses her and sticks
into the wall, which is when Billy

1313
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:42.760
decides to take things into his own
hands, quite literally, and again he

1314
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.239
picks her up. He lifts her, lifts her up like a sack of

1315
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.880
potatoes over his shoulder, and she's
kicking and screaming, played by linea Quickly.

1316
01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:50.039
By the way, one of the
most famous scream queens ever, the

1317
01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:55.159
original Scream Queen three where Linnea,
Michelle Bauer and our buddy brings Stevens.

1318
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:58.560
Oh yeah, they were the original
scream queens. So and this was one

1319
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:00.560
of the films that cemented Linaa.
Was this in Return of the Living Dead

1320
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:04.479
that really kind of made her known
as one of the synonymous scream queens.

1321
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:11.520
Yeah, and and of course anonymous
for often being unclothed in films. So

1322
01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.560
but yeah, So he picks her
up like a sack of potatoes. And

1323
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:16.840
I want you to describe it,
because you just you've earned it. So

1324
01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.920
he picks her up like a sack
of potatoes. She's kicking and screaming.

1325
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:25.199
He kind of whips her up over
his shoulder and he walks over to one

1326
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:30.199
of the walls and we see this
taxidermy deer head gorgeous, gorgeously I don't

1327
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:35.319
know, Rachel loves taxidermy guys,
so it's like this eighteen point buck.

1328
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:41.000
It's gorgeous. And then he lifts
her up off his shoulder and holds her

1329
01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.159
up kicking and screaming, and we
all start to know where this is going

1330
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.920
to go. Yeah, and got
this. This is the one kill in

1331
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:55.880
the movie that always gets me really
Yeah, this one it's it's just it's

1332
01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:00.000
it makes me squirm. So he
lifts her up and he presses her up

1333
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:06.960
to the antlers and just impales her. Ye on this taxidermy deer. And

1334
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:12.520
I think the thing that that really
gets me is he gets her in the

1335
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.840
kidneys, which would not immediately,
like you would not die. I mean,

1336
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:19.039
it's not like getting hit in the
head with a hammer and then lights

1337
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:24.079
out and you're done. You would
take quite a while to die this way.

1338
01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:27.039
Yeah, it's very, very painful. And if you're watching the unrated

1339
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:29.960
version, which we were, you
see the antlers poke out of her stomach

1340
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:31.800
and stuff. I mean, like, great job on those effects, but

1341
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:41.880
very convincing. So now she's dead
and Billy just starts stalking around the house.

1342
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.920
But the boyfriend is down in the
basement kind of getting a little impatient.

1343
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:47.239
I mean, who could blame him. He's he's young, you know,

1344
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:50.359
he's got places to be. There
was that part where she says,

1345
01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:55.560
is if we're where Linnea's character says, if you don't go to sleep,

1346
01:33:55.600 --> 01:34:00.800
Santa won't come, and he goes, neither will we. He's I mean,

1347
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:03.359
he's he's got something on his mind, so so he goes, he

1348
01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:10.199
goes upstairs, and he starts,
uh kind of looking around, and he

1349
01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:14.800
notices the door broken off his hinges, and then he notices now there is

1350
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:18.760
a cat, and cats true to
cat form, it is cowering in the

1351
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:24.039
corner. But he didn't he didn't
care about that. He didn't care about

1352
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:28.079
the cat. So he starts walking
around some more and calling for Denise,

1353
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:32.760
calling for his girlfriend. And it's
it's beautiful gory, but it's it's great

1354
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.199
the way they played out, because
he comes around a corner and we see

1355
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:41.000
her legs dangling. But because of
the way that he came around the corner

1356
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:45.439
of the hallway, he's looking the
other direction and so he calls for Denise

1357
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:50.039
and then he turns around and then
he sees hear yes, and that's that's

1358
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:56.039
when that's when Billy jumps out.
Yeah, right after we have the big

1359
01:34:56.079 --> 01:35:00.960
reveal where we really see her right
on those antlers hanging over the mantle over

1360
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:05.680
a fireplace. What a Christmas horror
moment, though, you know, so

1361
01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:12.199
perfectly Christmasy, and it's very very
gory. And this is where you know

1362
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:16.239
this this guy, he's about Billy's
height, he's about Billy's build. And

1363
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:23.239
this is where we really see how
unimaginably strong and tough Billy is because they

1364
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:30.359
scuffle and this guy even picks out
a poker, like a fire poker.

1365
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:33.960
Yeah, and he even whacks Billy
across the head, knocks him out for

1366
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:38.000
a minute, and he even gets
like he picks up the phone and calls

1367
01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:43.479
nine one one, and as he's
talking to the emergency dispatcher, Billy gets

1368
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:48.199
back up, pulls the cord from
the wall. Now there is no hope

1369
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:55.600
whatsoever, and he beats the boyfriend
a little bit, you know, kind

1370
01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:59.640
of beats him down, and then
picks him up and again like a like

1371
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.760
nothing like a pillow, hoists him
up over his head, tosses him out

1372
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:10.199
the second story window, and this
dude gets shredded to bits before he just

1373
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:15.359
gets crumpled to nothing on the ground, and they reveal that a giant piece

1374
01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:18.760
of glass went right through right through
him. Yeah, that's a very vicious

1375
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:25.319
moment. But speaking of moments,
maybe less vicious. There's a little girl

1376
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:30.279
who wakes up from hearing the ruckus
to find jolly old Saint Nick and she

1377
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:34.560
sees Santa Claus and she's so delighted. Yeah, wouldn't you be? Yeah?

1378
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:41.880
Yeah, the strangers in your house. Yeah. So she she sees

1379
01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:45.079
Santa and she comes out of the
hall, and you know, she starts,

1380
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:48.520
Oh, Sanna, you finally came, Like I knew I would get

1381
01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:58.199
to see you today. And Billy
switches a little bit and he walks up

1382
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:02.960
to her and and he kind of
starts asking her like, now, I

1383
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:08.760
only bring presents for good kids.
Have you been a good kid? Oh,

1384
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:14.680
yeah, I've been very good.
Have you done anything naughty? No,

1385
01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:17.319
I haven't done anything naughty. And
we see him as he's talking.

1386
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:21.960
We see him kneeling down and reaching
into his pocket and he pulls out a

1387
01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:29.600
bloody box cutter and it's like bloody
yeah. Yeah, And as an audience

1388
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:35.800
member, this is where we start
to really peel back the layers of Billy's

1389
01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:41.239
psychosis. Yes, because as she's
explaining she's been a very good girl,

1390
01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:45.760
she hasn't done anything naughty this year. And he leans down and he gets

1391
01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:48.840
right at her level, and he
looks her in the eye and hands her

1392
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:55.359
the box cutter as her present because
she's been a good girl. Yeah,

1393
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:59.279
And then he kind of just gets
up and tells her. Okay, you

1394
01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:02.600
know, go on, she goes
back to bed and he leaves her alone

1395
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:06.079
because she wasn't doing anything naughty.
No, she was good. So good

1396
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:12.479
kids get good kids and people they
get gifts and bad people get So that's

1397
01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:17.079
kind of the moment where you you
see for a fact that he is not

1398
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:21.000
an indiscriminate killer, not even a
little bit. Yeah, he has a

1399
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:29.840
method to his madness. And that's
where we really it humanizes him. He

1400
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.920
is not just any old slash or
villain. He's tragic. He's super tragic.

1401
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:39.680
So again, you're not necessarily cheering
for him. You don't want him

1402
01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:43.680
to keep killing people, but you
do want to see that resolution of where

1403
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:49.640
is this going to end up?
Right? Uh So, now we're following

1404
01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:57.640
some cops driving around town middle of
the night looking for Santa Claus. And

1405
01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:02.119
they've been told Christmas, they've been
told that they need to find the Santa

1406
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:06.039
clauses. They're checking about, like
there's an AVP on Santa Claus. Yeah

1407
01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:09.600
really, it's like, no serious. If you see anyone dresses Santa Claus,

1408
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:14.960
stopt of them. So they're driving
around and they see somebody climbing into

1409
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:19.239
a second story window dressed as Santa
Claus. So they rush to the house.

1410
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:24.199
They burst through the door. There's
a mom there in the living room

1411
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:27.840
and she's just kind of reading and
having a cozy time. And they rush

1412
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.279
in and say, there's somebody coming
in the house. Yes, and she

1413
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.079
came through the window. Somebody coming
through the window. And she's confused,

1414
01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:38.560
and why are the police in my
living room? Yeah, because she's just

1415
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.640
like enjoying herself. Yeah, she's
just having a great old time. So

1416
01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:45.520
they run upstairs. They throw open
a bedroom window and they see a Santa

1417
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:48.840
crawling in through the window and this
little girl laying in bed, and they

1418
01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.600
pull their guns on him and yell
for him, you know, freeze,

1419
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:57.239
and then he looks. And then
the girl looks at the Santa and says,

1420
01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:00.640
daddy, and then he like he
sits, he's like and he takes

1421
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:03.600
the wig off, and it's her
dad. He was giving her a Santa

1422
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:08.800
experience on Christmas Eve. That's why
the mom was chilling and just enjoying herself,

1423
01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:12.119
because she was like, he's giving
her like the best Christmas Eve ever.

1424
01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:17.119
I get to drink a little a
little extra noggy eggnog and everything is

1425
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:20.359
good. Today. Yeah, you
know, and I got to make homemade

1426
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:28.000
eggnog. Please, Okay, jeez, I need to find I need to

1427
01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:34.000
find whole nutmeg to a microplane myself. We can make that happen anyway.

1428
01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:38.840
Sorry, sorry, I'm getting excited
about Christmas. We're only recording this a

1429
01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:42.079
few days before it aired actually,
so uh it's it's very early in the

1430
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:47.279
holiday season still, so yeah.
So the cops almost gave almost gave that

1431
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:54.039
mother a different Christmas gift in the
form of being single again. It's good

1432
01:40:54.039 --> 01:41:00.399
to keep your options open and maybe
a lovely settlement, you know to eighties.

1433
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.520
Don't count on it. Oh,
I meant like just life insurance,

1434
01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:08.960
not even the cops. So we
kind of get that set up where we

1435
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:13.479
know that the police are looking for
Billy, right, But then as an

1436
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.800
audience member, we start getting in
our head like it's Christmas Eve finding the

1437
01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:25.000
killer Santa is finding the needle in
the haystack of all the other Santas that

1438
01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:28.680
are gonna be out that night.
Absolutely, and it kind of does play

1439
01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:32.479
into the last few moments of the
movie because we even see how tragic it

1440
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:41.880
can be if they do misplace their
their concerns on the wrong Santa. Yeah,

1441
01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:46.079
so we see that, and then
we see Billy is just stalking through

1442
01:41:46.119 --> 01:41:49.880
the woods on the streets, hiding
from the cops, and we get this,

1443
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:54.640
you know, this sense that he
could be anywhere. And then we

1444
01:41:54.680 --> 01:42:00.159
see out in the woods a couple
kids, they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

1445
01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:05.560
and they've obviously snuck out on Christmas
Eve so that they can ride on

1446
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:09.600
their sleds out in the middle of
the woods. Maybe they're not supposed to,

1447
01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:14.439
maybe their parents told them not to, but they're out there unsupervised.

1448
01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:17.760
And one of the kids gets on
his sled and he kind of hears something

1449
01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:23.239
jingling out in the distance and gets
a little unsettled. But then his friend

1450
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:25.399
starts making fun of him, like, oh, are you scared to go

1451
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:27.600
down the hill? He's like,
no, I'm not scared, and he

1452
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:30.119
says, oh, you're you know, your sled is stupid. No,

1453
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.439
my sled's not stupid. And they
kind of get into this little, you

1454
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:40.199
know, friendly match, and then
a couple bullies come out. And the

1455
01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:48.079
bullies are just your stereotypical, just
stereotypical mean bullies, and they're both even

1456
01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:56.359
redheads, which is hilarious. Watch
Out for those gingers. So they they

1457
01:42:56.359 --> 01:43:00.239
come and they start beating up those
kids and they take their sleds, and

1458
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:04.119
so after a while, the first
two boys they just high tail it because

1459
01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:08.199
they know they're not going to get
their sleds back from these bullies time.

1460
01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:11.920
So yeah, maybe they'll be able
to find it tomorrow, or you know,

1461
01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:15.640
when the snow melts or something,
we'll get another sled. But they

1462
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:19.399
high tail it. So the bullies
get on the sled. The first one

1463
01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:24.720
gets on the sled and he goes
down the hill and he has a blast.

1464
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:29.279
Yeah, he's like zooming down that
hill fast. My fingers were getting

1465
01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:32.039
cold just from watching this scene,
Like it was great. So he goes

1466
01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:36.159
down fast, and then the other
bully at the top of the hill he

1467
01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:40.720
kind of gets ready and he gets
on the sled and he starts going down.

1468
01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.840
And then when he's about halfway down
the hill, billy jumps out with

1469
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:50.680
his axe and swing swing and it
cuts away and all we see is at

1470
01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:55.399
the bottom of the hill, we
see the first bully, and then we

1471
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:59.279
see the sled coming down and it's
all like shadowy, and then when it

1472
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:05.119
comes out from the shadows, it
is a decapitated, corpse and then down.

1473
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:11.359
But then Billy makes his presence known. But we'll get to that after

1474
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:30.359
these quick words decapitated, uh,
decapitated while uh while uh, thank you,

1475
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:33.439
I couldn't think of the word sled. While sledding down a hill,

1476
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:39.560
the bully sees his buddy headless body. Then here comes the head and Billy's

1477
01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:45.399
ready to punish another bully. And
this is another example of Billy's complex nature

1478
01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:48.000
toward killing. He killed these guys
for being bullies. He killed them for

1479
01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:51.600
being bad. He didn't kill them
for just existing near him. No,

1480
01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:56.560
it was because they were being naughty. Now an overreaction, I don't know.

1481
01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:59.439
I had my sled stolen, so
I don't think so. I think

1482
01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:02.520
that there's courage of the universe and
they deserve what they get now. But

1483
01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:10.239
no, so, yeah, it's
Billy, uh dispatches the other bully and

1484
01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:15.720
naughtiness is not going to be tolerated
in this little town. Nope. So

1485
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:20.520
after that we go to the police
station. Yes, and at the police

1486
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:26.479
station we've got sister Margaret, and
poor sister Margaret obviously got there as soon

1487
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:29.600
as she could and has literally been
waiting all night just to talk to the

1488
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:32.199
police chief. And she was there
so long that she even fell asleep on

1489
01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:35.239
the bench. Yeah. No,
She's like, really try. It's like

1490
01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:40.159
it's like the police and the movie
forgot about her for a minute. Yeah,

1491
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:42.640
we can forgive that, though,
I guess. Oh, there's so

1492
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.159
much fun they have to happen right
now. Yeah, but we're establishing the

1493
01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:53.199
chaos. Yes. So the police
chief comes and says they they only have

1494
01:45:53.319 --> 01:46:00.680
bad news and there's been three more
murders that they're aware of, which does

1495
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:05.840
not obviously sit well with her.
And he explains that Billy may be nuts,

1496
01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:13.840
but he obviously has a formula,
and she agrees, and she says

1497
01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:17.479
that his actions have a logic to
them, which is when the police chief

1498
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:21.399
says, well, there is clearly
a logic, which means that we should

1499
01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:26.319
be able to extrapolate what his next
move will be. Right, And then

1500
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:31.239
immediately Sister Margaret knows he's heading back
to the orphanage. Clearly, he's heading

1501
01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:38.920
back to the naughtiest one of them
all, because you know, you know

1502
01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:43.239
what, in my opinion, you
know what sister or mother superior, you

1503
01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:48.000
know what she did Avarice, Oh
yeah, that's what she did. She

1504
01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:53.920
believed in herself. She had pride, all pride, very Catholic thing,

1505
01:46:54.199 --> 01:46:57.199
all pride. She really believed that
she knew what was best and no matter

1506
01:46:57.239 --> 01:47:00.600
what, her way would work and
she would fix him. I really believe

1507
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:02.920
that's what Billy the Naughty was.
It wasn't her beating him and stuff.

1508
01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:11.680
Her pride was so deep. Yeah, man, we're getting cat lick up

1509
01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:17.640
in this bitch. So that means
we got to send the cops. And

1510
01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:20.520
now I'm pretty sure at this point, now it's Christmas morning, it is

1511
01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:24.600
yeah, and and uh and some
and we see the orphanage. Yeah,

1512
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:28.199
we came back playing having a great
time, including little Ricky, who's now

1513
01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:31.920
what twelve eleven. Yeah, somewhere
somewhere in that neighborhood, little Ricky and

1514
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:35.159
uh and uh, they're making a
stow man and all the stuff, And

1515
01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:42.479
all of a sudden, Santa is
approaching as the cops are. The cop

1516
01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.640
is on his way, A deputy
is on his way driving down the road.

1517
01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:47.640
He sees the Santa. He gets
out, he has his gun drawn.

1518
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:50.600
He yels get away from the kids. Freeze, freeze, freeze.

1519
01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:55.880
They don't. The Santa just keeps
moving. Baa bam bam shoots him dead

1520
01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:59.479
in front of the kids, which
I'm sure will not affect them for their

1521
01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:03.960
life long the long the longness of
their lives either. And then we find

1522
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:09.279
out that it was the it was
the grounds keeper, It was one of

1523
01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:12.920
the uh it was it was a
p was father O'Brian ray? No,

1524
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.439
they actually the wreck con that in
Silent and a Deadly Night too, they

1525
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:18.199
made it that it was the groundskeeper. Oh okay, that's why I had

1526
01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:24.359
it confused. But he's deaf,
which is why he didn't respond. So

1527
01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:30.039
the cop just gunned down dead a
deaf priest trying to do something nice for

1528
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:33.920
a bunch of orphans. Why did
anybody have a problem with this movie?

1529
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:39.560
Honestly, this is family friendly viewing
from start to finish. I mean,

1530
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:41.880
I'm surprised. I mean, I
mean, don't you remember the scene at

1531
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:46.760
Home Alone where they killed the deaf
guy. I just I think I broke

1532
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:54.039
Rachel. Yeah, I think I
broke her. She just leaned away from

1533
01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:58.119
the microphone so you guys couldn't hear
hard she laughed at that joke. Naughty,

1534
01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:02.079
Yep. I'm gonna yeah, I'm
gonna get I'm gonna get get murked

1535
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:08.159
at that. But that but okay, all seriousness, So that's insanely tragic.

1536
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:12.720
So now and of course Mother Superior
again we want to talk about super

1537
01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:15.119
Catholic. Mother Superior is like,
you shouldn't have that gun here at all,

1538
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.279
You shouldn't be shooting anybody. Mm
hmm. Very Catholic. I mean,

1539
01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.119
like if you're talking like old school
Roman Catholic, they don't want anybody

1540
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:25.439
killed for anything. They don't want
you death, penaltied, they don't want

1541
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:29.000
you, they don't want anything.
You know, They're they're extremely pro life.

1542
01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.600
Now, obviously I'm not trying to
get into a religious philosophical discussion.

1543
01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:34.359
There are lots of different ways people
do religions. But if you get to

1544
01:49:34.399 --> 01:49:39.760
those really hardcore Catholics, they don't
think anybody should be murdered for any reason.

1545
01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:42.239
That's just one of their their things. Is one of the few things

1546
01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:47.000
I like about Catholicism is like there
their absolute peace nickness. Yeah, it's

1547
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:51.079
not a lot of them anyway,
But if you're Catholic listening to this,

1548
01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:56.560
I uh don't hurt me. I'm
not being naughty, I promise. Uh

1549
01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:01.960
So anyway, uh So, now
they're all just hold up at the orphanage.

1550
01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:09.239
The orphanage and the sheriff's deputy is
looking for Billy on the grounds,

1551
01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:13.359
and this is probably one of the
big suspense scenes other than the stuff at

1552
01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:16.479
Iris Toys. Yeah, because he
walks along and he finds what I guess

1553
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:20.279
is like it looked like a shed, but when he opens it, it

1554
01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:24.279
has stairs that go down. It
was like a boiler room max. Yes,

1555
01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:27.439
like a boiler room access or.
I was thinking maybe a storm cellar,

1556
01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.960
but that's more of a Midwest thing. We have to have storm sellers

1557
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:32.079
out here. I don't know if
they would well, it was definitely a

1558
01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:34.800
seller, but it looked like it
had boiler equipment in it. Yeah,

1559
01:50:34.840 --> 01:50:38.960
So I think maybe it was just
like the way they access the boiler for

1560
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:41.920
the orphanage. Because the Orphanage is
huge. Yeah, it's a big building

1561
01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:45.800
because it's like a school and it's
got bunks and everything for everybody, the

1562
01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:47.720
kids, the nuns, everybody.
It's a big place. So he goes

1563
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:53.239
down there and it's creepy and snug
and tight and and it's probably the only

1564
01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:56.840
part of the movie that you could
try to claim is slow. But I

1565
01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:00.399
think that they were going for suspense. I think they overall hit it.

1566
01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:02.920
I think it. You know,
the problem with a lot of horror movies.

1567
01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:06.000
I love horror movies, but a
problem with a lot of horror movies

1568
01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:10.840
is once you've seen them, the
suspense falls flat somewhat because you know when

1569
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:15.000
it's coming. Unless it's like unbelievably
well done, you know, and not

1570
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.600
a lot of movies can make you
feel suspenseful every single time you watch.

1571
01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:21.760
It's like, I love The Witch, but I feel like I'll never love

1572
01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:26.399
it as much as that first viewing
because the most important thing about that movie

1573
01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:30.520
was the mystery. Yes, and
it paid off great, But now when

1574
01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:31.479
I watch it, it's like,
yeah, I'll pick up clues and stuff,

1575
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:34.439
but I'll never have that excitement of
finding out what was going on,

1576
01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:38.760
which is the entire point. So
nothing against the Witch, it's just some

1577
01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:42.399
movies. Some parts of movies are
more exciting the first time, and they

1578
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:45.319
just simply can't be that level of
exciting again. Unless you know, somebody

1579
01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:48.000
hits you with a hammer a few
good times. It makes you forget it.

1580
01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:54.760
I wasn't gonna ask why that's been
there this whole time. I like

1581
01:51:54.840 --> 01:52:01.159
the Bow on it though, well
let me have it, you have it.

1582
01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:09.039
I couldn't resist, Okay, So
so he searches the whole thing,

1583
01:52:09.359 --> 01:52:13.920
doesn't finds Bupkiss comes back up the
stairs and right at that moment, wow,

1584
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:18.479
yep, Billy axes him right in
the chest. There goes the cop.

1585
01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:25.159
Yep. What a scene. Sorry, I know I loved it because

1586
01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:31.399
it you expect the police chief or
you expect the deputy to bite it down

1587
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:40.680
in the scary spooky cellar thingy.
That's kind of where Formula would say that

1588
01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:44.640
he meets his demise. Sure,
so you get that that very very brief

1589
01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:47.479
taste of relief for him when he
starts going up the stairs, because you're

1590
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:50.760
like, okay, maybe this guy
makes it. And then he doesn't make

1591
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:56.640
it, not even a little bit. He is, to quote a dear

1592
01:52:56.680 --> 01:53:01.680
friend, he's dead as a door. Fuck. So we we kind of

1593
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:09.600
leave that scene and inside we see, uh, you know, the kids

1594
01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:14.359
are caroling with Mother Superior and they're
singing songs and trying to help. Was

1595
01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:16.760
trying to cheer them up. She's
making them sing to keep them focused on

1596
01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:20.640
anything else. She's like children sing
la la la. She's trying so oh,

1597
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:26.279
it's so sad. She's trying so
hard to keep this merry Christmas on

1598
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:30.079
track for a bunch of orphans.
Yeah, which you can't be mad about

1599
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:32.399
that. No, well they just
witnessed a copy killed, which I love

1600
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:36.239
that she cut that sheriff deputy no
slack. Oh no, because he's like,

1601
01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:39.520
I didn't mean too. She's like, well, I don't understand how

1602
01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:42.720
he could have died here like that. Yeah, you know, you clearly

1603
01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:44.960
don't help You are not helping us. She said something like that, like

1604
01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:47.319
you're not helping us at all by
being here or something. And I love

1605
01:53:47.359 --> 01:53:49.720
when he tries to instruct her.
He's like, just make sure the doors

1606
01:53:49.720 --> 01:53:54.800
stay closed and make sure that no
one comes in unless you know absolutely who

1607
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:58.720
they are. And she says,
uh again, very very stereotypical Catholic.

1608
01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:00.640
She things. She says, the
only people who are who can come in

1609
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:05.119
here are the people who are meant
to be here, which I thought was

1610
01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:12.279
just a beautiful, beautiful line.
So then one of my favorite shots of

1611
01:54:12.319 --> 01:54:14.560
the movie is, you know,
we see the kids caroling and you know

1612
01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:17.680
what happened with the police officer,
and then we see you know, the

1613
01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:21.560
we're outside and we see the exterior, and we see the snowman that the

1614
01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:29.600
kids built, and then into frame
comes a axe with blood, yes,

1615
01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:34.560
absolutely just dripping with blood. And
then Billy decapitates the snowman. Well,

1616
01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:38.840
I mean that snowman was pretty naughty. It was very naughty snowman. He

1617
01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:43.720
posted some fucked up stuff on Facebook. So now the Snowman's been decapitated,

1618
01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:49.199
and Billy is heading in to the
orphanage to confront Mother Superior, and we'll

1619
01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:55.079
find out what happens in the thrilling
conclusion of Silent Night, Deadly Night.

1620
01:54:55.159 --> 01:55:13.880
After these quick words. All right, kids, Billy is here. He's

1621
01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:19.359
back at the orphanage. He's ready
to give Mother Superior her gift or punishment.

1622
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:30.680
And I built it up too much. So it's it's beautiful the way

1623
01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:33.840
they play this, because you know, we're looking at the kids caroling,

1624
01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:38.760
and then we see one of the
kids look to the door, and then

1625
01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:42.239
we look at the door as the
audience, and we see Billy walking up,

1626
01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:45.640
and this kid recognizes him because again, Billy was an orphan, he

1627
01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:54.399
grew up with the usual, so
Ricky obviously recognizes his brother. All the

1628
01:55:54.399 --> 01:55:59.880
other kids do too, and then
Mother Superior looks and she sees Ricky going

1629
01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:03.079
to let in Billy, and she's
yelling you, no, don't, And

1630
01:56:03.159 --> 01:56:08.399
Ricky just lets him in and grabs
his hand and just leads him into the

1631
01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:15.560
circle of carrollers. And meanwhile,
Billy the Beard is down under his chin.

1632
01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:20.479
He's got a bloody axe and a
scowl that could shatter a windshield.

1633
01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:26.119
Yeah, yeah, he does not
look well, No, it depends on

1634
01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:30.279
what side you're on. And he
is heading right to this little gathering.

1635
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:32.760
And we forgot to mention Mother Superior
is now bound to a wheelchair. Yes,

1636
01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:38.119
she was not earlier, but obviously
she's she's very old. Yeah,

1637
01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:42.119
so the yeah shall Yeah, so
she's in a wheelchair, which also adds

1638
01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:45.239
to the element of like what she
gonna do? Runaway, which is exactly

1639
01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:47.039
our attitude. She's not trying to
escape him, no, because what she

1640
01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:51.760
does is, once Ricky and Billy
are kind of in the circle of carrollers,

1641
01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:58.399
she grabs Ricky and shoves him behind
her and rolls herself so that she

1642
01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:03.600
is between Billy children all of the
children, which tells you everything you need

1643
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:06.720
to know about Mother Superior. See, after all that stuff I said about

1644
01:57:06.720 --> 01:57:11.239
Mother Superior, that just slipped my
mind. That's the other biggest moment is

1645
01:57:11.239 --> 01:57:16.000
that like she which also explains she
doesn't understand that he hates her mm hmmm,

1646
01:57:16.399 --> 01:57:21.399
because from her perspective, she's only
given him good things. So her

1647
01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:28.119
attitude is like it must be some
kind of like desperate evil hatred. So

1648
01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:30.039
her first thought is like, I, you know, not the children,

1649
01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:33.359
me. Yeah, direct it at
me. Yeah. She wheels her frecking

1650
01:57:33.399 --> 01:57:36.880
wheelchair between the kids in a psychopath
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Mother

1651
01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:42.600
Superior deserves a little crad even though
she's she's a highly flawed character. Yeah,

1652
01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:45.520
but you know what, some of
the best characters are the ones who

1653
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.359
really are flawed. I can't believe
after watching Silent I Deadly Night, like

1654
01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:54.560
sixty times in my life or something
something ridiculous like that, that I now

1655
01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:58.960
like Mother Superior, that I did
not have that on my bingo card.

1656
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:04.119
So Mother Superior's grabbed his hand.
She's standing between him and the kids because

1657
01:58:04.119 --> 01:58:13.560
she's afraid he's gonna hurt the children, And as he says naughty and she

1658
01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:17.279
she screams back at him there is
no Santa. Oh yes, and that

1659
01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:20.000
was something else I wanted image.
Yeah, she just starts looking there is

1660
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:25.399
no Santa Claus. There is no
Santa Claus. That was a part where

1661
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:27.880
I tell me if you thought this
too, where I started to think maybe

1662
01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:33.840
she believed what his psychosis because I
felt like she wasn't trying to diminish Santa

1663
01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:36.439
Claus. Ors. I think she
was trying to snap him out of it,

1664
01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:39.840
Yeah, because she I think in
that moment she was like, he

1665
01:58:39.960 --> 01:58:43.359
thinks he's Santa, and this is
how he understands Santa. Yes, that

1666
01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:46.039
Santa is a killer. Is that
how you because that's why I started to

1667
01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:53.119
Yeah, that I think that's very
much where my mind went, because there's

1668
01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:57.239
no way of knowing whether she would
ever believe his trauma. Yeah, but

1669
01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:03.279
she does at least believe the consequence
of him going insane. I mean maybe

1670
01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:08.279
and maybe this was finally what made
her believe, Yeah, that he was

1671
01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:11.560
traumatized in this way from Santa Claus, from the things that happened to his

1672
01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:15.520
parents, which she thought, you
know, he couldn't remember because he was

1673
01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:17.840
so young when they happened. Maybe
this was her moment, you know,

1674
01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:21.760
where she realized like I'm wrong,
you know, because and and the other

1675
01:59:21.800 --> 01:59:26.239
thing to keep in mind is If
that is what was going on, then

1676
01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:30.159
that means that the last thing she
did was trying to save him, because

1677
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:34.119
if she could have gotten him to
stop thinking he was Santa Claus, maybe

1678
01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:41.640
he wouldn't have to die. Yeah, spoiler alert, we hear as he

1679
01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:48.399
raises the acts to kill Mother Superior. We hear a bang and a bang.

1680
01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:54.359
It's the police chief. It's the
police chief standing there with Sister Margaret,

1681
01:59:54.600 --> 02:00:00.560
and he's holding a literal smoking gun. Billy falls to the ground.

1682
02:00:00.760 --> 02:00:05.119
Mother Superior kind of reacts oddly to
him falling to the ground, though she

1683
02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:09.560
almost doesn't give him any kindness or
sympathy. Though I did notice that,

1684
02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:11.560
did you ges that, like when
he's kind of like holy ras he falls

1685
02:00:11.560 --> 02:00:15.520
down, which I wonder if that
was just because maybe it was the realization

1686
02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:17.640
like he was definitely gonna kill her. Maybe that's why I think it could

1687
02:00:17.680 --> 02:00:24.000
be the realization it. I also
get the feeling that Mother Superior does not

1688
02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:30.159
does not understand how to express express
warmth. Yeah, I would agree with

1689
02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:35.800
that. She is not a warm
person, so I think that she doesn't

1690
02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:41.399
understand that warmth could have even been
an option at I think that's an interesting

1691
02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:45.880
point. I really like that.
But I think what's really interesting is that

1692
02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:50.920
sister Margaret is the one who runs
up and starts comforting him, and she's

1693
02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:56.479
the one who cradles him as he's
dying, as he's bleeding out. But

1694
02:00:56.680 --> 02:01:00.000
what he says to her, his
last words are amazing. He says,

1695
02:01:01.520 --> 02:01:08.520
they're all safe now because there is
no Santa Claus. You got it wrong?

1696
02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:10.800
What? No, No, he
doesn't say there is no Santa Claus.

1697
02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:13.680
He says you're safe now, and
then he looks over to the kids

1698
02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:16.680
too. He says, Santa Claus
is gone. That's what it was,

1699
02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:19.479
That's what which is just as crazy
though. Yeah, he says Santa Claus

1700
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:24.119
is gone, So he really thought
he was Santa and in his mind,

1701
02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:31.079
Santa is a killer, a murderous
monster. Yes, But but how many

1702
02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:34.800
of us fall from short of grace? Sound? I literally sounded like a

1703
02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:38.119
preacher right there. But you know
what, like the literal sense of it,

1704
02:01:38.199 --> 02:01:42.399
like if you follow most I mean, I think any morality. We

1705
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:45.439
all fall short of any style of
morality, whether it's like a secular humanist

1706
02:01:45.439 --> 02:01:50.079
morality like like we follow, or
a religious morality. You can't be perfect

1707
02:01:50.159 --> 02:01:53.239
all the time. I mean,
I can, but that's I don't want

1708
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.960
to make people feel bad, so
I make mistakes on purpose. My greatest

1709
02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:01.079
flaw is being too perfect. So
but no, but so Billy says those

1710
02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:05.479
lines, and that is such a
heartbreaking moment too, because Billy, literally,

1711
02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:11.680
you're safe to the children. Santa
Claus is gone. And then we

1712
02:02:11.720 --> 02:02:15.279
get the great tag at the end, possibly one of the best setups for

1713
02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:18.119
did you describe it? I want
you to tell it. Then, so

1714
02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:24.119
we've got you know, We've got
Mother Superior kind of being ice cold,

1715
02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:30.520
We've got all these children absolutely terrified. We've got Sister Margaret cradling the now

1716
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:35.680
dead Billy. And then on the
ground is Billy's axe pointing directly at Ricky.

1717
02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:39.840
Well, we pan up the body
of the axe to reveal that it's

1718
02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:42.520
right at his feet. The blade
of the axe is right at his feet,

1719
02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:44.920
and then it pans up his little, tiny, you know, eight

1720
02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:49.920
year old body, and he kind
of sits there and stares and looks and

1721
02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:59.359
scowls, and then he says naughty, right at Mother Superior, right at

1722
02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:00.680
Mother Superior, because she even looks
over at him. And then he goes

1723
02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:05.199
naughty and they leave it wide open
for a sequel, and don't worry.

1724
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:09.680
Therefore, none of them really follow
the any of the stuff we just talked

1725
02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:15.000
about. Though Silent I Deadly Night
too is so bonkers I would say I

1726
02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:17.399
do recommend watching it. Thirty eight
minutes of the movie is the original film

1727
02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:20.800
and then the rest is the new
stuff. So, but that is Silent

1728
02:03:20.880 --> 02:03:26.800
Night Deadly Knight, in my opinion, the quintessential Christmas horror film. And

1729
02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:30.239
not just because it's silly, not
just because it's wild and campy and all

1730
02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:33.560
this stuff, but because it's damn
good. It's interesting storytelling with interesting characters.

1731
02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:36.359
It's got that holiday vibe to it. What el, what do you

1732
02:03:36.399 --> 02:03:40.560
have to I don't want to.
I'll talk forever about it. Well,

1733
02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:47.439
you know it's for someone like me. It was the perfect segue from Slasher

1734
02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:54.680
into just kind of discovering the campiness
of Christmas horror movies. Sure, because

1735
02:03:55.159 --> 02:03:58.560
again before I saw this movie,
but really, before you and I really

1736
02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:03.439
got close, I guess somewhere in
my brain I expected that there had to

1737
02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:06.439
be Christmas horror movies, but I
thought that would be kind of like the

1738
02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:13.319
outlier. And then now when you've
introduced me to this and to so many

1739
02:04:13.359 --> 02:04:15.520
other Christmas horror movies. I'm like, man, this is just a gold

1740
02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:23.399
mine of Christmas holiday spirit but also
blood and guts and gore, which is,

1741
02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:29.199
you know, a weird combination,
but somehow it just makes sense.

1742
02:04:29.439 --> 02:04:31.840
Yeah, it does well and it
makes sense. I mean, Christmas movies

1743
02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:36.520
as a subgenre is massive, so
why wouldn't it leak into into horror movies

1744
02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:41.399
as well? Yeah? I agree, And you need to make sure you

1745
02:04:41.439 --> 02:04:45.600
listen to probably published the day before
this. You need to make sure you

1746
02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:49.079
listen to David's exhaustive list of the
best holiday horror movies. I think you'd

1747
02:04:49.119 --> 02:04:53.199
be really fascinated by all the titles
we go through, and that goes to

1748
02:04:53.239 --> 02:04:55.880
you as an audience as well.
But now it's time to wrap up this

1749
02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:59.039
episode of Cutting Deep into Horror.
I want to thank you guys so much

1750
02:04:59.039 --> 02:05:00.560
for joining me, and I want
to thank Rachel so much for joining me

1751
02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:04.399
again. It's so fun to co
host the show with you and talk about

1752
02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:08.800
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1753
02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:12.840
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1754
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1755
02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:18.760
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1767
02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:04.680
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1768
02:06:04.840 --> 02:06:10.439
mean dissect. Adios Michachos and pair
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