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Cutting Deep Into Horror | Fire in the Sky (1993): Alien Abduction, Trauma, and Small-Town Panic

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Fire in the Sky (1993): Alien Abduction, Trauma, and Small-Town Panic
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Fire in the Sky (1993) explained — the chilling alien-abduction film based on Travis Walton’s true story. On Cutting Deep into Horror, hosts Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi break down why the UFO sequence still shocks, how director Robert Lieberman builds dread, and where movie dramatization diverges from the real Arizona logging-crew case. We compare the film to Walton’s account, spotlight the cast (D. B. Sweeney, Robert Patrick, James Garner), and dig into small-town paranoia, survivor trauma, hypnosis testimony, and the 90s UFO boom.

Inside this episode

- Fire in the Sky true story vs. film — what’s verified and what’s contested.
- Abduction set-piece breakdown: production design, practical effects, and sound that still terrify.
- Performance notes: Sweeney’s vulnerability, Patrick’s stoicism, Garner as relentless investigator.
- Themes & context: guilt, media pressure, and why the case haunts pop culture.
- Legacy: how a cult classic shaped alien-abduction horror for the 90s and beyond.
Is Fire in the Sky a true story?
Yes. It’s based on Travis Walton’s 1975 abduction claim; the film dramatizes events for storytelling.

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If you’re into alien-abduction horror, true-story thrillers, and 90s cult classics, queue this episode—sharp analysis, cultural context, and craft talk with a few laughs and plenty of goosebumps.

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Greetings Earthling. Oh, I am Valdemar, of the planet Valdemar.

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that's part of the human experience.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep

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dark secrets scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is cutting

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deep into horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror.

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I know it's been a while, but great sequels are

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worth the weight, Like Freddy versus Jason. That's the only

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example I have of a horror sequel. I waited a

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really long time. Well, okay, phantasm five.

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Yeah, that's a good one though.

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That's debated, but is so is Freddy versus and everything

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is debated with horror movie fans anyway.

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That's why we're here, that's true.

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So for those who are new to the program, I'm

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of course you're your host, Enrique Kuto here with my

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co host Rachel Ridolfi. Hi, everybody, and we love to

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talk about the deeper side of scary cinema. That's that's

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my favorite, one of my favorite pastimes.

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Yeah, well, we do it for fun, so why not

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record ourselves.

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I don't do anything for fun? How dare you?

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That terrible allocation?

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Landeris statement. But we've talked about a lot of great

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horror movies, and sometimes we don't. We go off the

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beaten paths. Sometimes we stick to things that are a

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little bit more mainstream. This one feels like it's a

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little bit of both. Actually, yeah, if you think about it,

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because it was a theatrical film. We're talking about tonight,

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Fire in the Sky from nineteen nine three, and if

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you've never seen Fire in the Sky by Robert Lieberman.

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Oh man, I thought I had the info. It's streaming.

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It's got to be streaming somewhere for free. I apologize,

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I thought I had that ready, but I only had

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the Wikipedia page. I ruined it, okay, So it's available

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to stream right now on Pluto TV, so you can

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watch it for free with ads there as my computer

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tried to just do that instead of lamecy. It's also

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available to rent on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Fandango at

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Home and things like that. So but Pluto TV is

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where you can get it absolutely free with commercials. We

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try to pick films that people could sit down and

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watch right before the program and hopefully it doesn't cost

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you anything. But you know, shit happens when you party naked,

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as I like to say so. But Fire in the

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Sky is an alien abduction film that had a why

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theatrical release but then didn't do super well theatrically. But

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an entire generation, myself included in that generation, were scarred

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by the film. I don't like how like how happy

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you are by me say I was scarred by the flavor.

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It's like, yes, yes, pain, I know, but no it was.

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It was a very terrifying film to watch because most

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alien movies, and there are exceptions, but most alien films

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are not about the horrors of aliens in that way.

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They may be about the horrors of conflict or the

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horrors of intergalactic war. But they're not shown to you

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like The Exorcist, you know, they're they're shown to you

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like Terminator. Yeah, it's not quite gonna keep you awake

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at night because you watched it, which is bizarre when

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you think about it, because aliens are really a scary concept,

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especially alien abduction. Yeah, the idea of an unknown being

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taking you from your home in the middle of the night,

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taking you into a craft that you don't recognize, and

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doing scientific experiments on you was actually really really scary,

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we don't see alien abduction in films very often. If

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you think about it, it's a really strange lack a

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lack of that phenomena in movies.

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it and we were like, you know, there's movies like

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Independance Day, there's movies like Enemy Mine. There are sci

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fi movies where, you know, the Avatar series, there are

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sci fi movies that heavily feature you know, extraterrestrials, but

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it is kind of presented in this like Hoorah, Go

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Earth kind of way sure, Well.

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science fiction is in the realm of action adventure exactly. Yeah, but.

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Horror and science fiction also go. You know, there are

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two great tastes that taste great together, and this one

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definitely blends that very very expertly.

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science fiction going together. It doesn't really hit at the

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box office. Yeah, because Event Horizon, we both adore Event Horizon,

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one of the scariest movies there is. That's a space

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horror movie, and it did not do hugely well box

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office receipts, but then very very well loved after the fact,

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much like this film.

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So that's where it gets tricky, because you know, you

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can't if you make a movie with the goal being

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to be a cult hit, you're that's a dangerous, dangerous

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idea for investors. Yeah, they don't like caring like it'll

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be a cult hit. That means it will fail initially. Well,

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failure is common enough. We don't need help getting to failure, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, so we do not need a guarantee.

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No, no, very few things are guaranteed in life, but

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science fiction horror. And there have been other attempts. There

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was like that Apollo was it Apollo fourteen or Apollo fifteen,

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the Alien on the Moon movie. I mean there have

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been and they were pretty scary, because that's the other

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friggin thing. Space is scary, Space is terrifying. Hence Alien. Yeah,

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Alien is a great example of a science fiction horror

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movie that's well loved. It was really successful, but everything

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it's spawned afterward was pretty much action. Yeah, so and

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I get why. I mean, science fiction is a whole

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other world to play in, so you know, guns and

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spaceships and yeah, there's a lot to play with. So

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I could see why that becomes that became such a

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common trope. But the horror of the unknown is the

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number one horror trope that there is, because no matter

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what you say, you can turn into the horror of

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the unune. Well, it's about a guy with the hockey mask.

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It's about how we don't really know how evil people

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can be. You see, It's always about what you don't know.

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And what I don't know is what I'm going to say.

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After this quick break, All right, we're back, and I

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do want to mention that there has been when it

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comes to the realm of alien abduction horror, there has

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been a bit of a boon in the last twenty

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years fifteen years that there hadn't been before. Twenty thirteen

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was Dark Skies, which was actually a Blumhouse production early

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in the bloomho cycle when they were still doing a

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lot of their quote unquote first run stuff that went

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directly to streaming. It didn't do big theatrical but from

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Dark Skies, which was a kind of like an alien

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alien abduction story, but it was like I saw it,

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so I'm like trying to go off my brain and said,

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just reading the bullshit online. But it was like a

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haunting but it was aliens, you know, like it was

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like Poltergeist, but it was aliens because the aliens were

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causing all the crazy shit to happen in the house

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and terrorizing the people.

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Ooh ooh, I like that.

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Yeah, it was really fun. I highly recommend that one.

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And then was Oh An Extraterrestrial from twenty fourteen, which

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was directed by the same guys who did Grave Encounters,

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and it's kind of like a Cabin in the Wood

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slasher movie, but the killers are aliens and it's gory,

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mean spirited, really weird. And I did enjoy that one.

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The fourth Kind from two thousand and nine, which was

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a fake documentary kind of found footage dramatization thing and

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fly hypnosis and real cottage a quote unquote of alien abductions.

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A lot of people didn't love that one, but I

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thought it was definitely trying to be scary and I

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respect that, and I thought I thought it was at

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least a little scary.

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Then, of course this is the one that I realized, like,

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I went, oh duh when I saw this list Altered

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from two thousand and six that was directed by Eduardo Sanchez.

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I love that you made that face like you were

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gonna go I, oh yeah, And you don't know who.

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That is, but for some reason I recognized that name.

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But I'm just insane. Well.

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Altered from two thousand and six was a bound footage

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horror movie. I believe it was found footage. Yeah, it

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was about aliens attacking people, and Eduardo Sanchez was one

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of the two directors on the Blair Witch Project.

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That's why I recognized that.

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Yes, okay, maybe so I'm just insane. I mean, they're

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all good options. So, but those are all very recent

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examples of people leaning into that yeah that space And

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then wasn't that was the film we watched on Hulu?

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Is it no One is? No One Will Save You?

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No One? Yeah? I think it was No One Will

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say yeah.

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No One Will Save You from twenty twenty three, which

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had like one line of spoken dialogue the entire film.

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It's currently on Hulu, and I do recommend it. It's

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pretty fun and scary.

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It was very scary and just dripping with with uh suspense,

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suspense and the mood. Yeah, suspense. Is that what you

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tryun to stand him?

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Mike?

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Yeah, no, no, no, no it is. It was really

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really fun, really scary. So that all being said, yeah,

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science fiction and horror. I think I wish it would

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merge together more often, but I could see why often

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it doesn't, at least not in big, big movies. But

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Fire in the Sky became an incredibly known movie to

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older millennials and younger Gen xers because they would be like,

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what was that movie that, uh, my dad rented a

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blockbuster and then I was Afraid of the Sky forever? Yeah,

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and then and then you because somebody asked you that

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one time they said, like, I saw a movie once.

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It freaked me out, and I was like, yeah, it

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was like it had aliens And I was like, was

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it fire in the sky And they're like, I don't know.

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But they tie him to a table and they put

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this weird thing over fire in the sky. It's fire

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and talking about yeah. Oh, And to hit home the

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fact that it left me modestly traumatized when we rewatched it,

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this was your first time watching it. This was my

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first time rewatching it as an adult. Most of the movie,

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I mean, I think the movie's really solid. It's a

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really interesting movie with great characters. The writing makes sense.

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I didn't remember Jack shit of any of that. All

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I remembered, like I would watch it and be like, oh,

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I kind of remember that. Oh I kind of remember,

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like him in that truck and then them getting a fight.

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But then once he's in this, they show him in

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the spaceship and they're like getting ready to dissect him.

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I was like, Okay. Then they put him on the table,

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then they put the thing over him, then they open

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up the slit over his eye, then the thing comes

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down to his eye, then the thing goes in his

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bad I remembered all of it.

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play as it was happy, like I remember this part

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and this is going to happen.

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Instantly, I was like, Okay, there's where all the trauma lies. Yes, no,

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without a doubt. So yeah, that was That was the

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Fire in the Sky. So before we jump into it,

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I'll give some pertinent details. Fire in the Sky from

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nineteen ninety three. It was directed by Robert Lieberman. The

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screenplay was written by Tracy Torment. Robert Lieberman had done

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a lot of television. This was one of his few

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forays into film like feature films. Before that, he was

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most known for All I Want for Christmas, the romantic

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comedy with Tom with That's in that I thought I

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could remember off the top of my head, with Thora

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Birch and Leslie Nielsen. Those are the two us to remember.

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Then he did D three The Mighty Ducks right after

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Fire in the Sky. But then he'd stuff like Net Force,

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which was a TV movie, Second String which was a

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TV movie, The Dead Zone TV movie. He was mostly

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a TV movie and television guy. He directed episodes of

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the X Files. Later in his career he directed episodes

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of Gabriel's Fire, a lot of stuff, so he was

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mostly a TV director, but he did dabble in feature films,

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and this was one of his dabblings that I thought

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turned out really well. And I almost guarantee that's what

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got him on X Files was that he directed Fire

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in the Sky because it just what a freaky movie.

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So it is based sort of on a true story,

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very sort of, well.

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It's based on a book, yeah, the Walton Experience, written

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by Travis Walton about his experience he claims of being

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abducted by aliens. And the movie is a very highly

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dramatized and highly altered version of the book. And the

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name are all at least Travis Walton, isn't it. There's

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a character Travis Walton. But I will say the book

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is not nearly I looked into it. The book is

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not nearly as scary. Aw it is scary, but the

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book is mostly about meeting aliens, the experience and how

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it changes you, how people treat you differently. And I mean,

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and I assume the other thing you would learn if

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you wrote the book was what kind of money a

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book can make you? Ah, yeah, could be a lot,

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could be a little. I don't know on this one.

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not the way the movie was. It was not at

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all that way. It was very, very different. The aliens

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in the book were described as like Nordic blonde white people.

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And in this film, the way the aliens are depicted,

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I think is brilliant and truly scary.

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It is so.

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They are they are considered like this oddly Nordic, super

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blonde human humanoids from space kind of thing, right, uh huh.

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Don't read enough serious UFO literature if you think that's strange,

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because the people have been saying that forever. It's like,

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and then you have like the proto humans.

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it's fascinating because there is like a there is kind

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of a method to the madness, and it's just fascinating

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to think about.

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Well, and and I think we're going to have to

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have a somewhat expansive conversation about aliens. But first this break.

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So we're back and talking a little bit more about

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aliens as we take a look at fire in the sky.

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But I've always been fascinated by aliens. I mean since

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I was a little kid, and I mean it was

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kind of aliens and ghosts. It was just like that's

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what you liked if you were a total loser nerd.

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And I'm talking elementary school. I'm talking like way young

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to be caring about this stuff. I knew by the

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time I was nine or ten years old. I knew

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about Project Blue Book. I knew all about like Roswell,

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I knew all about groom Lake. I knew all of

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this crap because I would check out books from the

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library about it. And that was probably the funniest part

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was there were two UFO books, two in the whole library.

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We're talking elementary school library. And I know your homeschool too.

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You're like, I don't know what that means, but it's smaller,

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like the people, the kids are smaller, the.

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Books are small.

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There's less books. Yeah, but there were two UFO books

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and I checked them both out, and I was the

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only name on the cards, like nobody else the little

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checkout cards. Nobody else had ever checked them out just

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me so and then there was a ghost book too

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that was really interesting because that's when I learned about

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what a poltergeist is supposedly, and and and one of

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my favorite explanations for poltergeists, which was many mistake poultergeists

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for ghosts when in reality it's simply as a misdiagnosis

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of psychokinetic activity.

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And I was like, oh, so you.

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Thought it was the sasquatch, but it was actually the

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Lockness Monster. Like okay, that's an explanation that makes sense,

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Thank goodness, right, yeah, Like you might think it's a unicorn,

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but it's actually a leprechaun.

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Thank goodness. We sorted that out.

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So but I would read about UFOs and UFO abduction

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all the time, of course, and I think, I don't

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know if I've mentioned on this show, but I've mentioned

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it on like Monthly Spooky and stuff. But I suffer

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from sleep paralysis, m h. And that's made me very

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aware of UFO stories and stuff like that, because the

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theory is a lot of people who believe they've been

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abducted by aliens are probably suffering from sleep paralysis, so

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they're waking up and being unable to move, and there's

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an intense sense of paranoia you get during the initial

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fit as well. And that's also why a lot of people,

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you know, think they're ghosts and stuff that they can't move,

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they're frozen and panic and they can't really understand what's

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going on around them. Very scary feeling. And I could

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see that being you know, related to UFOs and aliens

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and alien abduction. But what about you? Were you like

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an alien kid?

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What were you? What was your thing? Well?

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I wanted so badly to be but you know, aliens

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aren't Christian, so like, yeah, you have to go up.

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There and proselytize to them. You've got to spread the

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word of God.

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But the al that's in the book, they can't be

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Christian until you convert them. That's that's the whole coin.

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That's the thing.

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That's like saying they they don't believe in Africa because

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because they're not Christians, like you're supposed to go there

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and tell them about it.

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But so my my guilty pleasure probably around like nine

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ten eleven, is I would I would watch on like

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Discovery and the Science Channel and on the Sci Fi Network.

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There would be you know, like educational shows about space

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and I could like sneak it where I would watch

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programming that would verge onto like talking about aliens.

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And my entire start my starting point was not the library.

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My starting point was the History Channel and Discovery Channel. No, No,

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That's what made me want to get talk about aliens

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was I listened to them talk about aliens and Hitler

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that was about it.

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It's pretty pretty much all it was at that point. Basically,

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that's all there was to talk about. So yeah, I

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you know, and it would definitely fascinate me. I mean

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one of my one of my earliest memories of being

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scared of a movie was watching way too young, watching

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the movie Enemy Mine and getting totally totally terrified, uh

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you know, from from some of the violent scenes with

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the like pincer grabby alien that.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And those were more like

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alien animals. They weren't even like alien, they weren't alien

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humanoids or whatever they were. They were like they were

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like alien versions of hyenas and exact stuff and things

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that could hurt you in the woods, and.

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That was terrifying.

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It was like, but the wild animals on Earth are

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bad enough, You're telling me there's planets with worse.

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Wild animals out there. That's bad, that's terrifying wild.

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If it was just like on alien planets, everything was different,

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but the animals were always exactly the same. So like

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they could breathe totally different gas, and like the aliens

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could look could be like giant blobs of purple protoplatah.

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But here's the Mars.

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But there's just a dog. It's just there's just a shnoodle,

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just like dagging its tail waiting to catch a space frisbee.

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I like this. I know you do.

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I mean, of course you do so, but no, yeah,

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I yeah. Aliens were always something I was really interested in.

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And when I saw Fire in the Sky it scared

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me really badly. It would have been probably ninety five

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after it came out on VHS and everybody was talking

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about how scary it was and how it was based

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on the true story and blah blah blah. So it

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freaked me out pretty good. And yeah, what were your

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first thoughts you know after watching it?

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Well, the first thing. The first thing was because you

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and I, you and I had again, we talked about

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it before we watched the movie, and you were telling

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me like, this is one of the few This is

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one of the few sci fi movies that verges onto horror,

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but it's still specifically about alien abduction and like what

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we think of as like aliens circa the early nineties,

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late eighties. And after we got done watching it, I

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realized the reason no one else has tried to make

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a movie dealing with that that kind of broad genre

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of aliens is because Fire and the Sky did it

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so perfectly that like, how.

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Could you made no money?

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Yeah, for the record, like Jaws made a shark movie perfectly,

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and then a thousand people made worse shark movies to

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make money.

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Yes, but yeah, like as not necessarily as a filmmaker,

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but as an investor, like how would you justify being like, Wow,

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Fire and the Sky did it perfect and they spill

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still made no money? Like you're not gonna want to

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invest in it. But as a filmmaker, it's like, why

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would you want to Why would you want to copy

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what someone's already done, Because that's what people are going

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to feel that you're doing. Is if you try to

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make a movie, people are going to be like, yeah,

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but they're just trying to be firing the sky because

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in the end, wouldn't I mean, it's it's like the

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it's like the archetype of the terrifying alien abduction movie

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now because it did it so perfectly.

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But with all that being said, it's actually a surprisingly

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it's a surprisingly, pardon the pun, down to earth story

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about small town life and what happens when ordinary people

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experience extraordinary circumstances. Because most of the film is not

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about the guy being in a spaceship.

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No, and that's a relatively small amount of the movie.

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Is actually the scene that everyone thinks of when they

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think of Fire in the Sky.

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Yeah, it's the big payoff is at the end to

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really like stick its point. And we'll talk all about

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that and go fully into Fire in the Sky right

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after this. So we're back, and now we're finally gonna

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talk a little bit about the specifics of what really

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makes Fire in the Sky so scary, because it's not

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just alien needles and eyes and milky white liquids. There's yeah, yeah, yeah,

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well that's a lot of it, but there's a lot

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going on in Fire in the Sky to be scared of.

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Well, I the first thing that struck me.

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As the movie opened because when the movie opens. It

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does a great job of really building the suspense right

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from the get go, because it starts with this pickup

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truck full of guys speeding through the woods and like

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barely missing trees, and they lose a mirror and they

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pull into a bar, and it immediately starts building an

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atmosphere because from the way it's filmed, from the way

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the guys pile out of the truck and get into

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the bar, from the way everyone looks at them, you

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immediately get the store worry of. This is a small

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town where everybody knows each other, everybody knows each other's business,

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they know what they're up to, and something very strange

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has just happened. And the movie is really good at

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building up that atmosphere, and it builds it masterfully until

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it finally pays off and we get you know, what

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we've all been waiting for. Because you don't go into

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this movie, especially now since it's been out for you know,

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twenty years, you don't go into this movie without knowing

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like this is about alien abduction. So every piece that

458
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.880
they give you as the story develops holds you over

459
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.880
and piques your interest more and more until they finally

460
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.200
give you that that big payoff in the third act.

461
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:54.559
Thirty years by the way, damn it. So you're right, Well, specifically,

462
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.440
it opens with them driving their truck through these rough

463
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:02.799
terrain and they're clearly speeding through like a bat out

464
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.480
of hell, like devastating the truck as they're zooming around. Yeah,

465
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.960
they're all screaming and yelling. And then when they get

466
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:16.400
to this local watering hole, like the nearest place where

467
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.480
people are to call for help, they pull up and

468
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:25.880
the truck is is smoking, and they pulled up like psychos,

469
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.599
like the guy is sitting on the porch or just

470
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.720
like what on earth. Then they all get out and

471
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:31.640
they're dead quiet.

472
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.960
Yeah, not a word.

473
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.920
Yeah, And I found that to be extremely memorable about

474
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.319
the film, that they they're just quiet. They go inside,

475
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.319
they call the police, and they wait for the police

476
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:52.240
to arrive. That alone does such a good job of

477
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.319
making you go, hey, what the hell is happening? Like

478
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:01.319
okay shit, and that that really hooked me immediately, even

479
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.359
though I did, you know, remember the massive alien payoff

480
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.920
later on. Then they also they had a lot of

481
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.240
fun with imagery to kind of keep this mentality of

482
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.720
you don't know what's coming. I mean, you think you do,

483
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.160
but you don't because you don't see an alien ship.

484
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.839
You see some strange lights very briefly, and that's it

485
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.000
to start for the most part. Then they show that

486
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.559
federal officer or the state officer coming down to investigate,

487
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.880
and at one point he looks up and they have

488
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.119
these big red lights like flying over his windshield and

489
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.599
reflection looks like a UFO. Yeah, and then they cut

490
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.599
and reveal it's just the little the bar lowering because

491
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.039
a train, Yeah, at a train crossing.

492
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.839
And I felt that was a great fake out. And

493
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:57.200
again that's a beautiful way that they built this anticipation

494
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.160
and this tension because they know, you know, you're there

495
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:06.119
for aliens, and they're playing with that expectation the whole time.

496
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.079
Absolutely. Yeah. And and of course once the police arrive,

497
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.680
they recount their story and it's very simple there. We

498
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.920
get a lot of the and and rightfully so, we

499
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:19.839
get a lot of who the characters are that they're

500
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.960
you know, normal people. But before we get all of that,

501
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.920
we start with just if I'm remembering correctly, we start

502
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.839
with just the recounting of the incident. Yeah, So they're

503
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.440
in the woods. They're driving back. They've been logging, well,

504
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.720
they're cleaning brush for the for the state, and they're

505
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:44.359
getting there heading back and they see a giant amount

506
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.839
of red light in the sky and then somebody says

507
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.920
there must be a forest fire, and they're like, well,

508
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.559
I guess so. So they're driving along and all of

509
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.720
a sudden they just get really like what the hell

510
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:58.960
is going on? And they basically say that their friend

511
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.000
got abducted by They basically say that he got hit

512
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.160
by a beam of light, flew up into the air,

513
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.759
fell on the ground, which was a really wild scene

514
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.799
to watch, and that when they came back, they ran

515
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:13.640
off afraid and when they came back to get him,

516
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:17.319
he was gone. Yeah, And the cops are just kind

517
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:23.160
of like, right, it becomes immediately obvious that they're thinking, oh,

518
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.720
you you killed this guy, or this guy died in

519
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.200
some way, and you guys are trying to cover it

520
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.680
up or protect yourselves or something like that. That's the

521
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.759
immediate thought process. And they start poking at all these guys,

522
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.960
these guys you barely get, you barely know. Yet one

523
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.839
of them is named Dallas, and he's clearly a he's

524
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.480
not a vagrant necessarily anymore. But he was a vagrant.

525
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.880
He was a drifter, a hobo, I mean, like by

526
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.039
the literal sense, because this takes place in nineteen I

527
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:55.599
want to say, seventy five.

528
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.160
Yeah, seventy three, seventy five, something.

529
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.519
Like that, So I think it was nineteen seve five,

530
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:06.920
chibble checking, seventy five, yep. And so back then, hobos

531
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.039
were still a pretty normal thing. And for those who

532
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:14.160
don't know, a hobo is not a homeless person. That's

533
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.880
become what people believe hobo means. But hoboes were just

534
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.400
traveling workers. They had no home, and their thing was

535
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.599
going from town to town to get work to make money,

536
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.039
and usually they would mail at home or whatever. So

537
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.759
this guy is clearly a hobo. He has a record.

538
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.920
People have pointed that out, you know, that he seems

539
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.480
like he doesn't trust police, things like that, and that

540
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.279
just raises even more red flags, and we as the audience,

541
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.200
are starting to wonder what could have happened. They start

542
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.880
placing doubt in us really quickly to make us wonder

543
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.720
what exactly is going on, and hopefully we'll figure that out.

544
00:31:53.119 --> 00:32:07.920
After this, we're back talking all about the fire in

545
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:14.000
the sky and we just finished hearing about how their

546
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.559
friend was shot up into the air from strange lights.

547
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.000
He disappeared. But the detective on the scene, not the

548
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.799
local sheriff, who even he's pretty bewildered, but he knows

549
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.519
these guys for the most part. He's immediately just thinking

550
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.079
of if any of these guys got a record, and

551
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.039
that Dallas guy definitely has a record.

552
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.599
That was it was very interesting. You know, again, the

553
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.319
the movie plays with your expectations and one of the

554
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.480
themes that was kind of woven throughout because again, the

555
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.319
actual abduction scene that we all think of is very short.

556
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.079
It comes either at the end of the second act

557
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.960
or beginning of the third act. Toward the end of

558
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.720
the movie, I.

559
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.880
Would say it's the beginning or middle of the third act.

560
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:11.880
Okay, yeah, so, but it's still uh, the movie still

561
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:18.119
builds up the whole atmosphere, just telling the story through

562
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:23.880
the lens of the townsfolk and the loggers who experienced this.

563
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.519
And then the other person on the scene is this

564
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:31.039
Detective Waters or Lieutenant Waters, who is the guy from

565
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.920
the state, and it's very interesting. They play with this

566
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:39.480
expectation of aliens or things that are not from here,

567
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.200
coming here, ending and examining things. And here we've got

568
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:49.000
this detective coming into this crime scene and examining things,

569
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.079
and he's kind of poking around where he doesn't really

570
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:58.400
know what's going on. Uh. And it's very interesting the

571
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.079
way he in around with the loggers versus the way

572
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.480
the local sheriff who like knows these guys and like

573
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:11.760
Rogers even beseeches the sheriff at one point and says, like,

574
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.360
you know me, You've known me for my whole life,

575
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.719
Like why can't you believe me when I tell you

576
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.519
that this is what happens. Whereas you know, with with Waters,

577
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.480
because he's not from around here. Everyone they treat him

578
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.320
with respect, but they also treat him very much like

579
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:32.079
an outsider.

580
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.960
Well, there's a lot to be said in the positive

581
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.679
and negative for having law enforcement that is a part

582
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.320
of the community. Yeah, you know, generally speaking, it's a

583
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.239
benefit because they kind of understand the world they're in,

584
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.599
They understand the people, They understand the lifestyle of the people,

585
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.920
you know, so they can generally police them better. But

586
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.320
sometimes that can cause, you know, the policing to be

587
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.440
a little too soft or a little too favorited.

588
00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.960
Or what have you.

589
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.400
And that's really bad. That's you know, when you need

590
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.400
an outsider to come in and kind of look everything

591
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.440
over and be like no, no, no, yeah, this is

592
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.320
not right. So at first, you know, we get a

593
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.239
little taste of that, but you're right, Like eventually everybody

594
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.480
starts to agree with the out of town detective. Yeah,

595
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.760
and the people, the townspeople are already in their sewing circles,

596
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.519
just going on and on about you killed this guy,

597
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.440
and it's worth mentioning too. I forget the name of

598
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.239
the foreman, the guy who was hiring everybody.

599
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.480
I believe that was Rogers.

600
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:40.079
And let's see, yeah, Mike Rogers. I don't know if

601
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.400
we I don't think we covered. But like, on top

602
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.719
of all of that, he and Travis were very good friends,

603
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.480
very good friends. I mean, these were people that were

604
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.039
being hired to do day labor. Basically they were all

605
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.719
working on a contract from the state. But Travis was

606
00:35:53.760 --> 00:36:00.559
also dating Mike Rogers' younger sister and intending to marry her,

607
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.440
so they were pretty close. But also, anything happening to

608
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:09.119
Travis is like doubly affecting Mike rogers life because it

609
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.079
was his friend and his sister's boyfriend. So now his

610
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.800
sister is a mess, a basket case on top of

611
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.599
everything else. That makes things pretty challenging.

612
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.320
And on top of that, Mike Rogers and his wife

613
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:29.119
are it's very plain from the get go that their

614
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.599
relationship is not in the best shape and also like

615
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.559
their finances are in terrible shape.

616
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.400
Now that's why I think took this odd. I think

617
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.960
that's why their relationship isn't in a very good shape.

618
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.480
Is they're struggling to pay their mortgage and he's got

619
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.440
this government contract that pays pretty well, but they have

620
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.559
to get the job done on time. That was because

621
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.920
that was already something they were talking about and stressing about,

622
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.320
was that they weren't getting the work done on time,

623
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.559
that they were goofing off too much. Yeah, so the

624
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.639
townspeople have pretty much decided that Travis was murdered and

625
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.159
that these guys are all covering it up by playing

626
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.840
everybody as idiots by saying this crazy alien abduction BS story.

627
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.199
That's the vibe I get is that, oh yeah, pretty

628
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.199
much the entire town, aside from maybe you know your

629
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.320
own mother thinks you did this.

630
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.559
Yeah, And Mike Rogers' wife even like that's one of

631
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.320
the fights that they have is she's talking about, like

632
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.880
people avoid me on the street, and our daughters like

633
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.840
they can't even go to school because everyone's talking about

634
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.559
how their dad murdered his best friend and is trying

635
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:47.719
to cover it up. So again, the movie, while it's

636
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.760
you know, it's, while it's about aliens, it is also

637
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.440
about what happens in this town and what happens to

638
00:37:54.480 --> 00:38:00.440
these people after this experience that nobody, nobody but them

639
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.840
can believe because it's so outlandish.

640
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.079
Well, have you ever heard the term small towns with

641
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.840
big secrets or small towns with big problems?

642
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:08.719
I have?

643
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.880
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get much bigger than outer space.

644
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.639
I don't really think, No, not really. So, and we'll

645
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.519
dig into that small town terror and trauma right after

646
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:38.000
this and we're back. We've talked a little bit about

647
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:47.559
the small town's reaction to this whole event, and at

648
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.159
this point, they've combed the woods by where they say

649
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.559
he's went missing multiple times at first with the guys

650
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.480
who were there to point where it was, but of

651
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:00.000
course each of them seems to remember a different place. Yeah,

652
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.079
but human memory is very inaccurate, So that's just especially

653
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:05.360
in the middle of the night when.

654
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.079
You're after a long day of hard work.

655
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.079
That was like a twelve hour day of cutting down

656
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.440
trees and gathering brush. Yeah, it'd be pretty hard to

657
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.000
concentrate on much of anything.

658
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:17.000
Yeah.

659
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.199
We also start to find out that Dallas had a

660
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.000
problem with Travis, that they were constantly getting into fights

661
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:24.800
at squabbles.

662
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.599
Yeah, that's not helpful and.

663
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.679
It looks really bad to the investigator from the state.

664
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.159
I'm assuming that they were. He was starting to believe

665
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.360
Dallas had done something to Travis and that the others

666
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.119
were covering it up in order to maintain their work,

667
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.440
something like something like that, trying to or to absolve

668
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.480
themselves of any implication or something like that, something along

669
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.599
those lines, some kind of you know, cop gymnastics, but

670
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.000
which have you ever watched the cop gymnastics? It's excellently

671
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.280
How you could do that land and your gun stays

672
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.679
in the holster incredible so so but no, So we've

673
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.079
talked about the small town reactions. We've talked about you know,

674
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.599
the lady and the diner, and and there are people

675
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.440
in this town that are hinted at that they seem

676
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:23.360
to empathize or sympathize, like, for instance, the waitress of

677
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.639
the diner, who's just like who you know, when somebody

678
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.119
starts saying like, oh you over there, you know, you

679
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.320
know he kills somebody she's watched. Just do you need

680
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.039
more coffee? You know, he's trying to like stop this,

681
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:34.199
trying to keep this peace.

682
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.679
Like diffuse it, because it.

683
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.000
Sounds like overall this is a very peaceful community, you know,

684
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.039
I mean, albeit small and albeit a bit economically depressed.

685
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.880
It's a small town in the desert, you know, they

686
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.440
they there are lots of them, especially because you know,

687
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.679
people would come and go for gold and some people

688
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.039
would stay. Yeah, so I do like seeing that those

689
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:58.880
little bit tidbits here and there where it's like, this

690
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.800
is a small town in the peace. People do try to

691
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.760
care for each other. It's just they're all human and

692
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.079
well until this but a bum But so we've talked

693
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.760
about that. Now let's talk a little bit about the

694
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.360
fact that this is going bigger. Yeah, it's going beyond

695
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.960
this little town that I'm trying to remember the name

696
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.880
of Snowflake. Snowflake, thank you so much. I was struggling

697
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:27.880
with that one. Some of this information is not as

698
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.159
readily available as I would like. Yeah, but this small

699
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.320
town of Snowflake has now become national news. Major newspapers

700
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.320
are starting to pick up the story. And again, remember

701
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.000
this is nineteen seventy five, so this is just after

702
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.679
the Civil rights movement had really like gone full tilt

703
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.360
and boogie. You know, we've landed on the moon, which

704
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.599
has made people look up to the skies a little

705
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:57.719
bit more. And in a lot of ways, this is

706
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:03.000
the height of the alien comic book movies. They were

707
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.880
kind of you know, they they were huge in the fifties,

708
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.039
but there was another boom after the moon landing. Yeah,

709
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.960
so people are thinking about these things. And of course

710
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.400
the red herring pun intended, which is the Soviet Union

711
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.079
is still up and kicking. So people are they're tense. Yeah,

712
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.920
they're worrying, even in small town America. And then we

713
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.840
get introduced to this nebbish gentleman with a with a

714
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:32.239
camera and a pair of round rimmed glasses from an

715
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.440
organization called Afar, which the first time when he first

716
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.719
walks in and says I'm whatever, you know, I'm so

717
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.280
and so from Afar or I'm from Afar, I was

718
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:48.039
like like, so you traveled along the way. That's pretty funny.

719
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.280
My first thought was like, just say, you know, just

720
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.119
say New York, Like just say, like, don't say you're

721
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.920
from AFAR. Like these people they have why are you

722
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.639
making it weird? They have maps here, dude, I know

723
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.159
they're far into the desert, but like they know there's

724
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.480
other places they don't think of, just like here and elsewhere.

725
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.519
But AFAR stands for Aerial Phenomena Research. No, it doesn't,

726
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.480
see this keeps trying to fool me. It stands for

727
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.960
American Foundation of Aerial Research, which was a stand in

728
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.960
for the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization or APRO, which is

729
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.199
the actual UFO organization that was involved in the Travis

730
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.760
Walton case. Yes, and he's basically like he walks up

731
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.519
to Rogers and he's like, I believe you, and I

732
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.840
think that, and I want to get as much information

733
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.079
as I can from you to see how it compares

734
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.039
to people who've been in your situation before. But of

735
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.840
course he does come off because he kind of is

736
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.800
as like a weirdo. Yeah, so he doesn't really want

737
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.119
much from him, but he does take his business card

738
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:51.719
because that's.

739
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.320
The first person who has in it, because even his

740
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:59.880
wife won't believe him.

741
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:00.639
This is the.

742
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.679
First person, the literal first person that did not experience

743
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.119
this that says I believe you.

744
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.480
I wouldn't go that far. It seems like some people believe,

745
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:16.559
but this is the first stranger, Yeah to believe him,

746
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.480
like bar none. Anybody who doesn't know him at all

747
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.239
is like that guy killed him, like just immediately. So

748
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.639
to have somebody completely from from Afar show up and

749
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:30.320
say like I believe you, yeah, that's huge, massive, massive thing.

750
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.400
Again, to have anybody you know that.

751
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.599
Isn't your mom believe you is that's a big win

752
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:41.360
in this situation. So and we because there's so much

753
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.960
that happens as far as the human drama. Rogers is

754
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.880
now living in a hotel, a motel down the road,

755
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.039
which also hinted at the circus that was coming, because

756
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.519
he comes in there to get a room and they're like, yeah,

757
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:58.000
we're full of Oh. He tells him that tomorrow they're full.

758
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.400
Like today they have rooms, but tomorrow they're completely booked,

759
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.719
which tells you that people from newspapers all over America

760
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.320
are coming, and they are, and they're chasing him around

761
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:13.320
with film cameras and microphones and asking rogers to give

762
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.320
his statement, to give his side, which is extra crazy

763
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.360
because technically there is only one side you can get

764
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.880
because if there's a victim, he has not given his side,

765
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:32.440
So you have the investigator's assumptions and inferences, and then

766
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.559
you have their side. Yes, but you know how the media,

767
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.400
you know, can friensify very quickly. They love a good

768
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.760
narrative that's easy to follow, you know, men go into

769
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.239
woods kill man, lie about it, you know, say it

770
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.159
was UFOs. That's very easy to turn into a headline

771
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.920
or twelve. If the news is slow, you know, if

772
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.519
Khrushchev hasn't done anything exciting lately, then at least you

773
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.679
could talk about the yocals killing a guy. Yeah, you know,

774
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.639
and and national news was a big deal back then. Yeah,

775
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:09.320
so it's it's the circus is really I think one

776
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.440
of my favorite parts, especially the second act, seeing the

777
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.639
town kind of changing. Yeah, and and and these guys

778
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.079
realizing that, like they've told what they could and they

779
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.599
just need to keep going with what the police want

780
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.519
because what else can you do. Yeah, Like it really

781
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.599
is starting to happen where people don't trust them and

782
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.320
think they've committed a horrible crime.

783
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.880
Well, and and it builds so excellently these two things

784
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:44.800
together because the the guys have to comply. Basically, the

785
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.480
guys have to comply with what the police want them

786
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:54.400
to do or else it's it's inferred as being admission

787
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:54.800
of guilt.

788
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.920
Well by the public, by the public.

789
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.039
That's a really important But that's of public opinions completely, right,

790
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.320
that's kind of that was kind of what I was

791
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.079
getting at. But you put it a little bit better.

792
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.440
Is they're realizing that public opinion is the only court

793
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.599
they're going to be in for a very long time. Yeah,

794
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.360
because nobody's been charged with anything. Nobody's there and they're

795
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:16.400
technically accused.

796
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.440
Yeah, and there's like there's no evidence, like there's no

797
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.800
there's no way for the police or any law enforcement

798
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:30.079
to even like do anything beyond the vague questioning that

799
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.519
they've done, which is why it's brought to the table

800
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:37.320
of like, Okay, you need to take a lie detector test,

801
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.239
because again, like the lie detector test is not going

802
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.880
to absolve you. All it's going to do is put

803
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:52.840
one token, yeah, in the public opinion that will stand

804
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:53.880
up for you.

805
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.199
That's that's about it.

806
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.079
Yeah, the lie detector test. All it will really do

807
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:03.039
is give you a little hint of mercy from the public. Yeah,

808
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.639
that's what you can hope for. Yeah, And they're all

809
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.079
reticent to take it because lie detector tests are inadmissible

810
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.039
in court. They can be wrong, they can be fooled.

811
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.800
And Dallas is really upset because he doesn't want to

812
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.480
be hooked up to those machines. Man, and it starts

813
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:26.039
raising questions because we know about his criminal past, and

814
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.559
it makes you wonder like is he saying this out

815
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:30.719
of personal experience?

816
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.199
And there is one other element that we might have

817
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.880
glossed over that really helps sow the seed of doubt

818
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.280
in us the viewer that I think about a lot,

819
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:58.960
and you'll find out after this. So what I teased

820
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.880
before was not It wasn't a trick. It wasn't a

821
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.880
trap this one time. Throughout this movie so far, there

822
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.159
have been little moments where the guys are talking to

823
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:17.199
each other and they've mentioned keeping their stories straight, that

824
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.559
they've been little, tiny things, but like they slowly get

825
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.079
more and more where it seems like they're hiding something

826
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.880
mm hmm. And that has definitely helped make the audience

827
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.079
wonder are these guys to blame.

828
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.679
Because it it's it does start to feel like that.

829
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.880
And it's not only it's not only seeds of doubts

830
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:47.000
specifically against Dallas. It's you start to see how all

831
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.320
of the other guys kind of interact with each other,

832
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:55.280
and you start to see like it not only not

833
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.360
only are they trying to protect you know, themselves as individuals,

834
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.519
but you really start to see like they are definitely

835
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:07.760
trying to protect each other. And Dallas is kind of

836
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.840
like that. I wouldn't call him a weak link. He's

837
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.639
more of a wild card that they have to rein in. Yeah,

838
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:18.400
and they have to tell him like, you're the one

839
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.880
that if any it, you're the crack. You're the crack

840
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.199
that they're all looking at, and if you do anything,

841
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:30.679
it reflects poorly on us. And I think that's kind

842
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.559
of interesting again, because everybody in this town really knows

843
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.800
each other. Dallas, you know, he's been there, but he's

844
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.079
a hobo. He hasn't been there as long. He's living

845
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.159
on the outskirts of town, and you really start to

846
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:50.840
feel like that otherness between him and the townsfolk, and

847
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.800
then him and the other guys, and I think that

848
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.840
was a very interesting way that they they played that off,

849
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:03.159
and it really culminated in the scene leading up to

850
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:07.239
and the scenes around doing the light detector test, and

851
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.960
then it's kind of revealed that after the light detector test,

852
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.360
all of the guys seem to be telling the truth.

853
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.280
The only person that they really can't get a beat

854
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.039
on is Dallas.

855
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:26.920
Well, Dallas's test came back inconclusive. Yeah, but here's this

856
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.599
is the part where you buried the lead just a little. Though.

857
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.880
The great thing about the lighte detector test sequence is

858
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.320
it's just as tense as you would expect a lie

859
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.920
detector's sequence to be. I mean, I think I think

860
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.159
most people would rather not take a polygraph test, Yeah,

861
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.400
because it's uncomfortable. You're being challenged, you're being asked tons

862
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.159
of questions, you don't know what the questions will be

863
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.719
mm hmm, and you don't know when they're going to

864
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:57.679
ask a serious question versus when they're going to ask

865
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.280
a question because they're trying to surprise you to get

866
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.480
a baseline to understand how your body reacts to things. Yeah,

867
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.880
but a big element of polygraph tests is they're more

868
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.000
voodoo than they are science.

869
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.119
Yeah.

870
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:17.280
In fact, if you look into polygraph tests, one of

871
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.280
the most powerful tools a polygraph I don't know what

872
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.760
the testers are called, but a polygraph tester has is

873
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.960
to convince you that the polygraph test works. Because generally

874
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.360
people don't get in trouble or don't get busted for

875
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:40.400
a failed lie detector test. That's just on Mari Povich.

876
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.280
In real life, when people take polygraphs and get busted,

877
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.559
they confess, yeah, because they ask them like, is there

878
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.719
any reason why this reading would be off? Or is

879
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.679
there any reason why you might be might be might

880
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.320
be confused, or why might why it seems like you're

881
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.039
lying here? They get you to confess. That's really the

882
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.400
power of the lie detector test is to convince them

883
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.599
that it works. It's the same way with a lot

884
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.480
of those those drugs that are supposedly they make it

885
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:14.239
impossible for you to lie. Truth serum truth serums Exactly,

886
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:18.079
they're mostly bunk. It's mostly about they're mostly barbituates. And

887
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.920
you convince somebody that they're not capable of lying if

888
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:22.559
you give it to them, and then you give it

889
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:22.880
to them.

890
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.159
It's like murder party, very much like.

891
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.360
Murder party, but also another great episode. But also it's

892
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.840
it's an important element to keep in mind because it's

893
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.000
all manipulation, Yeah, to keep people on their toes, to

894
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.880
get them to confess or what have you. It's an

895
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.679
interrogation technique, that's really what it is. All it measures

896
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.719
is your blood pressure and heart rate and stuff. Yeah, nobody.

897
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.079
There's no guarantee that somebody, like, if you have a

898
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:50.360
full blown sociopath, it's never gonna work. Yeah, it's never

899
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.559
gonna work. And full blown sociopaths are hard to catch.

900
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.239
So what's the lie detector for for the guy who's

901
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.280
like visibly sweating and like, you know, preying under his

902
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.800
breath as he's to you, Come on, dude, you know so.

903
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.760
And that's why polygraphs are in admissible in court, but

904
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.760
they do affect public opinion, which is why most people

905
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.039
refuse to take one. Because it's important to keep in

906
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:14.639
mind that in the American justice system, you cannot be

907
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.760
held accountable for refusing to incriminate yourself, Like that's not allowed.

908
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.599
If if you if somebody says, like, why why is

909
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.719
this gun in your car? And you refuse to answer,

910
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.679
a lawyer can't go well, they can, but they'll be

911
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.960
thrown out. You can't go to a judge and say,

912
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.199
you know, we asked him and he refused to answer.

913
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.280
The judge would be like, that's not an admission of guilt.

914
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.079
Silence is never an admission of guilt. It's the Fifth Amendment. Yeah,

915
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:41.679
it's the Miranda rights. You know, you have the right

916
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:45.000
to remain silent. Yeah, and that's but that's really important.

917
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.719
But in the realm of public.

918
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.119
Opinion, that doesn't matter.

919
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.159
You look guilty, if you deny, you look guilty. If

920
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.320
you're quiet, you look guilty. If you fail all I

921
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:53.079
detect your test.

922
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.599
Mm hm.

923
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.519
That's just the.

924
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:55.960
Way it is.

925
00:54:56.199 --> 00:55:00.360
Yeah, yeah, and and and but the part I meant

926
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:01.760
to I was what I was saying about you burying

927
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.400
the lead. What I meant to say was they show

928
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.360
that the scene and it's super tense, and you see

929
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.760
the machine doing its thing and the guy making his markings,

930
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.679
and when he's talking to the cop, to the sheriff

931
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.199
and the UH and the detective from out of town

932
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.079
waters when he's talking to them and he seems just

933
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:21.880
perplexed and like shocked. That's my favorite part because he

934
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:27.039
seems like I just I they're all except Dallas's was inconclusive,

935
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.079
but the rest of them, they seem pretty pretty dead

936
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.760
on they didn't do it.

937
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.280
That is my favorite party entire part.

938
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.440
Is that they build it up like that and then

939
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.840
it's like, no, they're confused and shocked that the guys

940
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.800
passed the polygraph about seeing the alien and not killing

941
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.079
their friend, except for the one guy who it was inadmissible,

942
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:53.360
probably because he was taking drugs or clenching his sphincter,

943
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.719
which is one of the ways you can fool the polygraph. Yeah,

944
00:55:57.159 --> 00:55:59.440
so we were talking, well, you could throw it out

945
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.599
really yeah, I mean, you have to be really good

946
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.400
to give it. But the number one way I've heard

947
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.880
is you take like a real you take like a sedative,

948
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.400
and then answered like when they ask a question, you

949
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.800
think of a different question and answer it. And if

950
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.599
you get really good at it, you can pass, at

951
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.199
least according to the shield, which I take all of

952
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.039
my life advice from the cops.

953
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:20.880
Show the shield.

954
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.800
I don't see why would why you shouldn't.

955
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.599
So now they've the polygraph test hasn't really been hasn't.

956
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.719
I don't believe they ever published it. But the cops

957
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:35.480
are all are befuddled because they all really believe they

958
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.000
didn't do it, and things are starting to calm down

959
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.239
in the town a little bit. But also some bad news,

960
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.079
like Rogers, they lost that contract. It's over, so now

961
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.519
for real, how is he going to pay? How's he

962
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.519
gonna pay the mortgage? How are they gonna get by?

963
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:51.679
But on top of that, they're being accused of murder

964
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.119
without any charges yet, but they're being accused. All of

965
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.039
that is happening. But Rogers, on the positive side, is

966
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.480
starting to connect with wife again. She is starting to

967
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:05.599
realize like he needs her as much as she feels,

968
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:07.559
you know, betrayed, that she needs him to pay the

969
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.800
bills and take care of the things he said he would.

970
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:13.480
She's realizing like this is a really big thing and

971
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.840
he needs our support because he also has two daughters,

972
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.440
and all the scenes with them are really really cute. Yeah,

973
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.079
speaking of the two daughters, though, he's now on the

974
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:29.280
couch watching television kind of zoning out, and the phone rings.

975
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:35.119
I wonder, I wonder. I guess we'll find out right

976
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:53.360
after this. So the phone rings, but Roger's wife, he's like,

977
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.320
she's like, oh, we get prank calls.

978
00:57:56.519 --> 00:58:00.960
Yeah, we've been getting they've been increasing and it's a

979
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.880
good fake out. It's a good play with your expectations

980
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:08.840
because we've been seeing around town, you know, all the

981
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:13.239
upologists and all of the different reporters and everyone, and

982
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.760
like Mike's been getting stopped in the street. People have

983
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:21.880
been talking to him, like the the courthouse or whatever

984
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.960
department where they conducted the light detector tests, like it

985
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.480
was like a paparazzi shit showt trying to get in

986
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:36.079
and out of there. So to us, we think, like, Okay,

987
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.639
they must be getting calls from reporters or whatever. And

988
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.960
so she says, like it's been getting worse, and now

989
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.800
they're starting to call in the middle of the night

990
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.840
and it's always like the same person.

991
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.800
Well, and she said they were pranking. Yeah, these are

992
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.960
prank calls. And I want to mention because not only

993
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.079
are there a lot of journalists and stuff in town,

994
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.960
but we're also noticing a small contingent of the town

995
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.039
that is just getting really frustrated that these guys aren't

996
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:05.159
getting charged already, that they're still walking around like it's

997
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.599
it's pissing them off, it's making them feel unsafe, it's

998
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:09.880
making them feel like their kids and are unsafe in

999
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:11.920
this little this little uh hamlet.

1000
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:12.559
Yeah.

1001
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.480
So that's worth mentioning too, is that people are getting

1002
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:16.880
getting pissed off.

1003
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:18.000
Yeah.

1004
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.920
But this phone call, which sounds like a crank call,

1005
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.360
Rogers answers it, and the voice on the other end

1006
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:31.320
of the line is very weak, very weak. But the

1007
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:34.639
moment he hears the voice, he lights up and he

1008
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:40.199
says it's Travis. Yeah, and we smash cut to to

1009
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.960
the pickup truck and a few of the guys, not

1010
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:45.239
all of them, I don't think, but a few of

1011
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:46.719
the guys are all in the truck and they're and

1012
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:48.920
his younger sister and the younger so of course because

1013
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.480
she's she's been staying with Travis's family through this whole thing, Yeah,

1014
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.440
because which I believe is just her brother, his brother,

1015
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.199
but like because she's you know, very upset and worried

1016
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.280
about Travis. So they're driving in the rain, which I

1017
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.320
love the rain. The choice of rain was perfect for

1018
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.119
this sequence. They're driving in the rain and they're trying

1019
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:13.039
to figure out, like what is going on? Yeah, And

1020
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:17.159
as they're driving along, they're just looking for payphones because

1021
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.440
they didn't get any information other than.

1022
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:25.559
He's at a payphone, and he's specifically Mike says, all

1023
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:29.079
he said is he's near a gas station. So they're

1024
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:34.079
driving past all the gas stations, not just in town,

1025
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.519
but around town. I think they said they're like miles out.

1026
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.440
Yeah, there's several miles into the I forget the next

1027
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.360
town over is. But they were like almost in the

1028
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:46.000
next town over. But they're driving past, seeing empty phone booths,

1029
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.679
and they keep driving and driving past and seeing empty

1030
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.719
phone booths. But eventually, as they're starting to say like

1031
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.960
this is stupid, like you know, you did all this

1032
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.760
over a prank call, he says, like, I'm pretty sure

1033
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:00.760
there's one more. There's another gas station on this road.

1034
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.199
And as they go up, he's like, look, I was right.

1035
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.199
He's like, yeah, you're right that there was a gas station.

1036
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.079
But like we're wasting our time. And then all of

1037
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.760
a sudden they noticed that it looks like there's somebody

1038
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.039
near the door. And now the place is closed, there's

1039
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:18.119
somebody near the door, crouched down buck ass naked.

1040
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:20.159
Yeah, just like huddled there in the rain.

1041
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.519
They jump out of the car and run to check

1042
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.559
on him, and it is Travis. He looks pretty rough.

1043
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:29.320
He looks like he has not been having a very

1044
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.400
good time, and he's confused.

1045
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:33.760
Yeah, totally disoriented.

1046
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.199
And they tell him it's been what five days or

1047
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:36.800
four days?

1048
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:38.760
Five days? I think four or.

1049
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.679
Five days hadn't been super long, but it had been

1050
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.320
a while. And they tell him like, you've been gone

1051
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.159
this long, and he's barely comprehending it, and he just

1052
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.280
asks for water, and then they smash cut to him

1053
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.719
in the bathroom of this gas station, just suck sucking

1054
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.639
down water straight out of the faucet, yes, gulping it,

1055
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.320
big massive, And that's what you realize. That's one of

1056
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.440
the reasons he was speaking so weirdly is he was

1057
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:10.119
like he was parched completely, like he just and as

1058
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.920
they're trying to talk to him, he's not really responsive

1059
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.880
at all. The a far gentleman person. Turns out, they

1060
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.000
they gave him a heads up when they found him,

1061
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.039
and he's adamant, like, I need to ask him questions

1062
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.280
like how long were you up there? Did they speak

1063
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.760
in English? He's like asking all these questions and they're like, dude,

1064
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:28.519
you got to give him space. He's like, no, we

1065
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.199
have to ask these questions now. Before he forgets them

1066
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.440
like we have this is the key time to find

1067
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.039
out information about what they're doing and what they want,

1068
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.840
which I love because I mean, sure that makes sense,

1069
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:40.840
but it also gives him like a little bit of

1070
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.920
a manic like are you insane? Yeah, kind of like

1071
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.679
a mad scientist vibe. Yeah that he's like, he literally

1072
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:58.079
says like we want to know what they want. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, mito.

1073
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.800
So they they eventually humor the guy and let him

1074
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:04.400
ask questions as long as he doesn't crowd Travis too much.

1075
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.679
But eventually they're like, all right, you're done. He's not

1076
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:11.559
answering your questions. And they take Travis to a hospital. Yeah,

1077
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:17.039
and he's in his hospital bed, but then Rogers goes

1078
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.880
to talk to him, sneaking in because visiting hours are over,

1079
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.199
and they specifically didn't want him to visit Travis because

1080
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:28.639
they're afraid that he might be coercing him or trying

1081
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.760
to give him another story. And that's when we start

1082
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.719
to realize that when they were talking about getting their

1083
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:40.559
stories straight, they really meant they didn't want to accidentally

1084
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:44.760
incriminate themselves, because they all kind of felt like it

1085
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:48.119
was their fault because they left him after he had

1086
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:50.119
been flung in the air. They thought he was dead,

1087
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:54.639
but no one, no one would get out of the car.

1088
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.159
And that's something I did mean to mention earlier. But

1089
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.639
we just we were flying, but Travis out of the

1090
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.880
truck to get a better look at the lights yea,

1091
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.280
as they changed from red to green.

1092
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.760
And everyone was screaming at him like.

1093
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.679
Get back in here, like you a psycho, Like are

1094
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:11.320
you insane?

1095
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:12.639
You're gonna get killed.

1096
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.039
So when they came back and he was gone, they

1097
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:20.199
all got this sense of guilt to where the reason

1098
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:21.960
they wanted their stories to be straight was they were

1099
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:26.199
afraid that if somebody expressed how that went down differently

1100
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.760
than somebody else, it would implicate them or make it

1101
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.000
look like it was bullshit. Yeah, and I love that

1102
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:39.199
that is what the reality was. That they weren't hiding anything.

1103
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.360
They were just trying to make sure they all told

1104
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.679
the truth. But they were afraid that they would be

1105
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.239
blamed anyway, even though they saw aliens.

1106
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.960
Basically yeah, because in their mind, it's almost like the

1107
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.559
best case scenario was like, okay, great, everyone believes us

1108
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.000
that there are aliens, and we left our friend there

1109
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:03.719
to die. The hand, which to them, they're like, well

1110
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.000
that would still be murder. So yeah, best case scenario

1111
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.840
is everyone believes us and we're still held liable for

1112
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:12.000
our friend's.

1113
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.920
Order, or we're just known as the assholes. Yeah, you know,

1114
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.400
the horrible, horrible people who would do that. So, now

1115
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:23.840
that Travis is back in the hospital, he's starting to

1116
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:25.960
feel a little bit better and he's starting to remember

1117
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.159
a little bit and he has that little heart to

1118
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.679
heart with Rogers that doesn't go exactly the way Rogers

1119
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.559
was hoping, but you know what is going the way

1120
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:51.880
I was hoping. This commercial break, so as Rogers starts

1121
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.199
talking to Travis and just kind of saying how glad

1122
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:58.960
he is that he's okay, Travis actually has something to

1123
01:05:59.000 --> 01:05:59.800
say himself.

1124
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.599
Yeah.

1125
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:07.079
Yeah, he doesn't remember much, but what he does remember

1126
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:10.480
is that after he got flung into the air by

1127
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:14.440
the light, they just left him there. They peeled off,

1128
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.239
and he even manages, you know, he's he's in bad shape,

1129
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.199
but he even manages to kind of like croak croak out,

1130
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.639
like you left me, and Mike, you know, tries to

1131
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.880
explain and he tries to say, like, no, it's not

1132
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.000
not necessarily that we left you. It's just like I had.

1133
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.760
Nobody wanted to get out of the car. Everybody felt

1134
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:35.960
they were in dangers.

1135
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.840
We were scared, so like.

1136
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.159
I yeah, like I drove away, but then I came back,

1137
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:50.159
which fair. But yeah, to to Travis, like they all

1138
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:51.679
just abandoned him.

1139
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:56.880
There they did, and they did. Granted they didn't know

1140
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.639
for sure he was dead, but they did.

1141
01:06:58.800 --> 01:06:59.000
Yeah.

1142
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:02.400
I mean they saw him thrown by nothing like eleven

1143
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.320
or twelve feet in the.

1144
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:06.960
Air, Yeah, and then fall to the ground and not move. Yeah.

1145
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:08.320
I mean it's pretty conclusive.

1146
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:10.280
It's a pretty startling situation.

1147
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:11.800
Yeah.

1148
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.440
And and of course obviously Mike is like, no, you don't.

1149
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.239
You don't understand. Like I came, I came back, I

1150
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.880
looked for you, and you were gone. Like I had

1151
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.639
to take the guys away, and when I came back,

1152
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.199
you were gone. So I wasn't like trying to leave

1153
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:29.599
you there.

1154
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:31.840
But in his defense, I mean, they had driven to

1155
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.119
two minutes away from him.

1156
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:34.760
Yeah.

1157
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.320
When finally Rogers was like, I'm turning around right now.

1158
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:38.599
If you guys don't want to come with us, you

1159
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.599
can just start walking and I'll pick you up on

1160
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:42.119
the way back.

1161
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:43.000
Mm hm.

1162
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.880
So I mean he only had that, you know, that

1163
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.320
failing judgment or that failing loyalty for a very short

1164
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:51.960
amount of time. Yeah, before he realized like I didn't

1165
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:53.880
know that he was dead for sure, Like why.

1166
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:55.159
Did I need to go back and back?

1167
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.519
But then the moment they were all screaming and yelling

1168
01:07:57.559 --> 01:07:59.760
and yeah and scared and saying go go get us

1169
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.519
the hell of you, We're all gonna die, like.

1170
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:07.239
Yeah, and and there is a it is kind of implied,

1171
01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:11.280
like Mike does kind of say like you're the one

1172
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.639
who got out of the car or got out of

1173
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.439
the truck, like we all said don't get out of

1174
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.600
the truck and you did anyway, which is you know,

1175
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:24.479
obviously not very well received by Travis. Uh So he

1176
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:26.800
kind of turns away like he doesn't he doesn't even

1177
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:28.920
want to talk to his friend anymore. He doesn't, you know,

1178
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.880
can't stand him. And then the nurse kind of bursts

1179
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.920
in and like you can't be here. Visiting hours are over.

1180
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:40.840
And I think that the the whole hospital sequence is

1181
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:47.159
great because we start getting little tiny flashes as Travis

1182
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.520
is being examined by the doctors, We're getting little flashes

1183
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:53.920
of his memories of what happened while he was gone,

1184
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:59.319
and that makes it even more effective when we do

1185
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:04.119
finally get to the big flashback reveal, because there's there's

1186
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:08.760
more context to it, and it does make the final

1187
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:15.359
feeling of being like surgical and you know, being being

1188
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:19.159
examined even worse because then you see like, oh, wow,

1189
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.760
he got examined by the aliens, and then the first

1190
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:23.520
thing that happens when he gets back to Earth is

1191
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.920
he gets examined the same way, in this very clinical

1192
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.680
way by all the doctors. It's very upsetting and unsettling.

1193
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.000
Yeah, it reminds him of of what had just happened

1194
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:37.359
to him. And those little sequences, those little flashbacks, which

1195
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.640
you know are obviously instigated by him being pulled into

1196
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.479
a hospital, people surrounding him, looking at him, shining lights

1197
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:47.039
on him, they're they're combined with these memories he has

1198
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:52.720
of being in some kind of cave and being covered

1199
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:55.960
in these weird this weird liquid. I mean, we see

1200
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:59.399
so much happening so fast as far as the recall

1201
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:04.359
he's experien operiencing mm hmm, and it's very very creepy

1202
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.479
and unsettling. And this is when they're starting to really

1203
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:11.840
give the audience like, no, he was abducted by aliens, kids,

1204
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:17.880
and it is far scarier than you imagine, because I

1205
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:19.880
really do love that this movie is like a small

1206
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:23.760
town mystery that turns into an alien abduction thing. Like,

1207
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:28.640
this movie would be so insanely effective if you didn't

1208
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.560
know any if you like, if you didn't even know

1209
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.039
the title referenced aliens, yeah it would, but why would

1210
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.399
you watch it? But if you happen to watch it anyway,

1211
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:39.000
you'd be like, holy crap.

1212
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:43.880
It would It would feel almost like a crime scene investigation.

1213
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.119
Movie because that's basically what it is.

1214
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.479
Yeah, yeah, which I love and I know you do

1215
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.439
as well, and it's it's one of those great lessons

1216
01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:59.880
in kind of using tools from a cinematography cinematog cinematographic

1217
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:08.439
toolkit that's or cinemagraphs cinematic cinematic toolkit. Yeah, there we go.

1218
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:12.520
That's the word cinematic toolkit that is slightly different, So

1219
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:18.319
you know, having it lean heavily into a crime drama

1220
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:25.079
thriller space and still maintain these sci fi horror aspects

1221
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:31.239
throughout is very effective and it makes the storytelling even

1222
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:35.960
stronger because it's not relying just on the one note

1223
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.840
of this is this scary alien movie. It's this is

1224
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.680
a scary and alien movie. And here's how that would

1225
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:43.560
play out in the real world.

1226
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.840
And here's how it did sort of sort of. Well,

1227
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.680
a lot of that stuff, I know was based somewhat

1228
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:51.319
on truth. I mean, he disappeared for days on end. Yeah,

1229
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:53.760
people thought he had been killed by his friends. A

1230
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:56.760
lot of that was real. I mean, that really did happen,

1231
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:00.399
which and it would make sense people would not assume

1232
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.840
that you're telling the truth if you say, freaking aliens

1233
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:03.119
did it.

1234
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.000
Yeah, They're just gonna be like, right, sure they did, Buddy.

1235
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.840
Oki Doki pokey. So that's that's worth pointing out too.

1236
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:15.880
And I think that's why I like the way they

1237
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.439
tell the story is the way it would have went

1238
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:23.000
down for the people involved, not the abducted one. Because

1239
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.880
Travis is he is he is a main character, but

1240
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.199
he's a main character in a in a in a

1241
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:34.399
not a non narrative way, but in a non sequential way.

1242
01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.199
He's a main character, but he's never in the main

1243
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:41.680
timeline until they find out he's not dead. Yeah, so

1244
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:43.880
up until then we see Travis all the time, but

1245
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.239
strictly in flashbacks. Yeah, we never see him during the

1246
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.000
current time of the main story plot, the main plot,

1247
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:55.319
so he's just a memory again and again and again

1248
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.279
and again. So we don't get to find out what

1249
01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:02.079
happened to him or how it happened to him until

1250
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:06.720
he rejoins the main storyline because all we're doing is

1251
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.239
going by I mean, really, the entire film of that

1252
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:12.640
night is told via memories. Yeah, and his memories can't

1253
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.520
be recounted because he's not shown up yet.

1254
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:15.359
Yeah, he's not.

1255
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:19.359
There to share it, which is very poetic because the book,

1256
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.560
you know, no matter how little or much inspiration they took,

1257
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.880
was his personal recounting, and I guess his friend's recounting

1258
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:32.119
I would assume of what had happened. Yeah, so it

1259
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.239
kind of it kind of adds up.

1260
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:41.279
I know, I absolutely agree. And it's it's very interesting

1261
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:47.039
the way because because this the story of the book,

1262
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.600
and you know, the book itself again, just like this

1263
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:57.399
movie has kind of become the archetype of alien abduction stories.

1264
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:03.119
And when you think about alien abduction stories, whether you

1265
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:06.880
realize it or not, what you're probably thinking about is

1266
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.680
this account because it was so well known and it

1267
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.079
was one of the few accounts where like it wasn't

1268
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:17.079
just it wasn't a story that was just told around

1269
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:19.760
the town. It wasn't a story that was just told

1270
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.279
in like the local newspaper or in the national inquirer.

1271
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:28.119
It was something that got national attention. It got published,

1272
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.680
I believe, like you know, he did like several interviews.

1273
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:33.920
Oh ton, he's still I mean, I don't now, but

1274
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.319
I mean he was doing UFO conventions for ever.

1275
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:37.000
Yeah.

1276
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:41.159
So so it became part of like the public zeitgeist

1277
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:47.119
regarding alien abductions. And that's very similar with this movie.

1278
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.159
Like I was talking about earlier, is like why people

1279
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:56.600
don't make those sci fi heavy horror movies that involve

1280
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.560
alien abduction is because this is the archetype, Like this

1281
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:02.680
is this is what you're going to be thinking about.

1282
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:07.079
Well, and to go back to the story in nineteen

1283
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.600
seventy five and all that, there is another element of

1284
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:17.159
the zeitgeist that plays a pretty big role in how people,

1285
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:21.399
especially Americans, felt about the concept of being abducted and

1286
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:26.520
being experimented on. That's really dark and people don't talk

1287
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.520
about it a lot, and I will, but after this

1288
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.680
we're back and I'm about to bring things down. Yeah,

1289
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:50.479
so yeah, just get ready. When you think about UFO,

1290
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.199
the height of the UFO phenomena being like the fifties

1291
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:59.079
and sixties, right, there are two elements of the fifties

1292
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:03.840
and sixties, alien and height, that have something in common.

1293
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:13.680
Number one, the invasion concept, right, the invasion of alien beings. Okay,

1294
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:18.079
m hm. Well, at that time, we were beginning a

1295
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:23.159
very long Cold War with the Soviet Union, an enemy

1296
01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:26.439
that is alien to us, to our way of life.

1297
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.720
The idea of how the Russians at that time, the

1298
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.880
Soviets were living very alien. I mean, the key concepts

1299
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.239
of communism, the part of the world they live in,

1300
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:39.640
just everything very alien. So there's that, but that's not

1301
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:43.920
the dark parts. That's the part everybody talks about. But

1302
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:47.359
if you look at that time period, what's before the

1303
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:54.720
Cold War, before Vietnam, what was one of the most

1304
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:59.319
influential things to happen in the world.

1305
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.439
In the world the world wars?

1306
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:06.159
Well, World War Two was right before all of this,

1307
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.920
and one of the elements of World War Two that

1308
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:15.279
became very known and very public were the horrific experiments

1309
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.560
committed by Joseph Mangela and the Nazis, And if you

1310
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:25.600
think about that, it can get pretty creepy. I mean,

1311
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.359
obviously thinking about war atrocities creepy, But what I mean

1312
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:31.800
is they would do experiment They would scoop people up

1313
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:33.880
from wherever, and they would do experiments on them like

1314
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.720
they were animals. What do most of the depictions of

1315
01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:42.720
aliens look like. They look like concentration camp survivors.

1316
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:44.640
Yeah, they're bald.

1317
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.760
They forced them to shave their heads because they didn't

1318
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:51.720
want them to get lice. They're always skinny and frail.

1319
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.920
They're always so so slender. I feel like, and I

1320
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:58.199
don't know, maybe somebody else believes this too. This is

1321
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.359
somewhat my thing that I believe, but I feel like

1322
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.039
those wires just kind of got crossed. Like the visual

1323
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.560
idea of the horrors of a concentration camp got kind

1324
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.520
of combined with the idea of alien abduction. You know,

1325
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:13.960
instead of you being the skinny when it became because

1326
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:17.439
you see the pictures of all these bald, emaciated people

1327
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:20.880
standing around, that's what the image of the concentration camps

1328
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.199
is to people who obviously were not there. It just

1329
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:29.560
kind of joined the visual idea of being adopt abducted

1330
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:30.199
by aliens.

1331
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:31.159
Yeah.

1332
01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:35.239
Oh, I've never heard anyone like tie those together, but

1333
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:37.840
I can definitely see how that works.

1334
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:39.239
I won't claim I'm the first.

1335
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:39.800
I don't.

1336
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:42.560
I sincerely don't know. I feel like I've heard somebody

1337
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.640
say that some of the fear of alien abduction comes

1338
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:52.000
from the idea of Nazi medical experimentation. But I'm not

1339
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.239
one hundred percent if anybody has said that or not.

1340
01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:57.600
But I've always kind of thought that that was an

1341
01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:00.359
element because you have to look at you have to

1342
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:01.920
look at the time periods, and of course, you know,

1343
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.800
by the fifties when alien stuff was really really popular. Yeah,

1344
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:07.960
it had been like almost ten years since World War Two,

1345
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:12.159
but news didn't travel fast back then, Yeah, and something

1346
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:17.159
that horrific sticks around. Yeah, So sometimes I wonder if

1347
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.600
that's one of the reasons people became scared and therefore fascinated,

1348
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.520
because that's one thing about humans is once something scares you,

1349
01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:28.279
it's that means very fascinating. It's interesting at the very least.

1350
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:31.880
But that makes me wonder if that's an element to

1351
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:32.760
it as well.

1352
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:34.159
Well.

1353
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.840
And I've always heard I mean, there's obviously, of course,

1354
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:45.800
the there's the conspiracy theories that connect like Nazis and Aliens,

1355
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.079
and like, oh sure you know all of that, or

1356
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.760
the hollow earth theory that connects you know, Nazis in

1357
01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:56.840
Aliens together, and then I've I have, of course heard

1358
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:03.479
like that. The Cold War death definitely played hugely into

1359
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:09.600
America's fascination with extra terrestrials aliens.

1360
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:12.800
I would say, more so UFOs in particular than the

1361
01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:15.600
literal extraterrestrial like the being like the beings like the

1362
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.760
rays or whatever. I think that was less so. But

1363
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:23.079
just the idea of of ships you don't recognize and

1364
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:29.520
missiles and that stuff. I mean, that's Cold War delirium entirely,

1365
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:32.439
and not just because that's a little harsh, because it's

1366
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:34.399
not just the people who are loucinating the stuff. It's

1367
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:38.760
because the US government was literally testing aircraft that looked

1368
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:40.520
like nothing anyone had ever seen before.

1369
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:46.640
Yeah, so, yeah, there was there was real unidentified flying

1370
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.199
objects and oh they were unidentified because the government hadn't

1371
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:51.840
been talking about that well.

1372
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:57.840
And they pulled out such gems as swamp gas, which,

1373
01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:00.800
from what I understand the situation and where that was said,

1374
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:08.239
that was retracted. No, it was not swamp gas. It's like, yeah, no, no,

1375
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.600
we we we all know we figured that out. We

1376
01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:13.159
all woke up and had a brain in our heads.

1377
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.680
Swamp gas. But I mean now you just pull a

1378
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:21.119
Reddit and say do you have a carbon monoxide detector?

1379
01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:24.960
But no, So so yeah, there there there was a

1380
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:27.399
lot to be afraid of. That kind of fed into that,

1381
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.560
and and the Cold warfares helped kind of keep that going.

1382
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:33.960
But if you look at it, I mean the other element.

1383
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.840
I totally skipped over one massive element too, which is

1384
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:40.680
very World War two related, which is the atomic bomb. Yeah,

1385
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.359
the age of the atom was everything in science fiction.

1386
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.479
Everything was the nuclear this, or the adam the atomic this,

1387
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:51.560
or you know, it was always something related to those

1388
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.960
things as well, because people were scared absolutely shitless by

1389
01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:02.039
seeing what man had wrought. Yeah, you know it was

1390
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.279
I can't even imagine what it would have been like

1391
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.600
to live in a world where there was no nuclear

1392
01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:10.640
bomb and then there was a nuclear bomb. Yeah, that

1393
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.600
would be quite a change of pace in my opinion,

1394
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:15.479
in my humble opinion.

1395
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:18.520
No, I absolutely have to agree.

1396
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.960
And that's that's kind of what has been interesting as

1397
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:31.079
a sci fie nerd is how how interrelated. The actual

1398
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:37.800
advancements of science have been with just our imagination and

1399
01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:40.439
the stuff that we kind of you know, think about

1400
01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.359
in the zeitgeist. So like Star Trek is a great

1401
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.319
example where you know, they've got like tricorders and stuff,

1402
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.159
and now we've got cell phones and and and you know,

1403
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:58.680
it's very interesting how innovation drives our imagination and simultaneously,

1404
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:03.560
our imagination drive innovation, and in the same vein our

1405
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:08.600
fears as a culture drive the stories that we tell

1406
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.399
each other. And that's one of the things is as

1407
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:15.479
we've been advancing so fast, one of the only places

1408
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:19.920
we can look that is still vastly unknown is space.

1409
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.239
And that's why it's one of those things that has

1410
01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:28.960
continually had those surges of interest as far as being

1411
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:32.079
something that we're you know, either scared of or something

1412
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:35.720
that we're telling stories about, is outer space and aliens

1413
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:37.399
because it's the great unknown.

1414
01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.880
Well, when you look at science fiction, especially futuristic science

1415
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.359
at fiction not quite this kind, but when you look

1416
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:47.039
into futuristic science fiction, I mean it's very simple, look

1417
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:48.880
at where they say we're going, and you can track

1418
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.760
it back to where they are when they thought of it. Yeah,

1419
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:56.960
in culture, in time, and that can say a lot.

1420
01:23:57.479 --> 01:23:57.800
Yeah.

1421
01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:01.479
Yeah, so that's one of the reason sci fi holds

1422
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.640
up so much to scrutiny as well as horror.

1423
01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:05.560
Yea.

1424
01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:10.880
But yeah, so now I think it's about time that

1425
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.960
we throw old Travis a welcome home party. But we'll

1426
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:29.720
do that right after this and we're back because the

1427
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.199
moment that everyone is waiting for when they're watching this

1428
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:39.239
film is about to happen. And it was awesome watching

1429
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.760
you watch it for the first time. But I was

1430
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.920
very very amused by just like I said earlier, how

1431
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.479
much of it I remembered, because this is a brutal, scary,

1432
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:56.760
wild scene. But it all starts as any good horror scene.

1433
01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:01.520
It all starts very mild manneredly because Travis is now

1434
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.760
finally home. The detective Waters talks to him at one

1435
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:08.119
point and seems to suspect him of something.

1436
01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:12.920
Now, Yeah, because he suspects now that all of the

1437
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.520
guys came up with this plan and Travis was doing

1438
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:20.279
it to like get famous, yeah, and get rich off

1439
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:20.760
his store.

1440
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:22.479
Well, and he tells him that right after a kid

1441
01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:24.399
came up to him and had him sign his newspaper.

1442
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:29.000
Yeah, So it does start to look that way.

1443
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:32.600
But what's most important is Travis is now well enough

1444
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.760
that he can go home, and they've set up a

1445
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.840
welcome home party, and in small town tradition, everybody it's

1446
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:42.720
a potluck and there is just enough food for five

1447
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:46.680
towns in this little house. So he's there. He's a

1448
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:51.960
little overwhelmed by everybody surrounding him, but he's doing okay

1449
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.199
until he goes under.

1450
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:55.960
I love the way they do this.

1451
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:01.479
He goes under the kitchen table and he bumped and

1452
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.840
he starts having he was having a panic attack. He

1453
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:06.039
goes in and he bumps it and it tips over

1454
01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:09.600
a bottle of maple syrup, which, by the way, is

1455
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:12.600
extra brilliant because I don't know why there would be

1456
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:13.560
maple syrup out.

1457
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:15.479
Yeah, there was like no pancakes, nothing, but.

1458
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.880
There may be something you'd want maple syrup for. Who knows,

1459
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:21.159
but it or maybe it was left over from breakfast. Yeah,

1460
01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:25.840
but it tips over falls and as he's having his little,

1461
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:31.319
his little panic episode, the syrup slowly crawls across the

1462
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:36.000
table and starts dripping onto him, and boom, he is

1463
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:42.600
on that spaceship, covered in that weird go inside of

1464
01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:46.920
this bizarre organic looking pod.

1465
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:48.720
Yeah, it's like a cocoon.

1466
01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.239
Yeah, a cocoon, but but it's a little bit wider

1467
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:53.800
than a cocoon, because it's like it's there is room

1468
01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:55.439
for him to move around and stuff. But he's covered

1469
01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:01.239
in this gelatinous goop. And he starts looking around, and

1470
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:04.079
he puts his hand out, and there's a membrane covering it,

1471
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.920
which he is able to push his hand through. Yeah,

1472
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.520
but as he tries to look out, he notices that

1473
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:14.439
there is an insanely long fall from where he is.

1474
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:16.800
He's in a wall of some sort in like a

1475
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:19.720
like almost like a I don't know how you put it,

1476
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:23.479
like not like a like like a honeycomb, almost on

1477
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.760
the inside, you know, because there's just it's all around.

1478
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:28.960
It's a circular space that goes up and down.

1479
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.880
Yeah, Like it's like a big vertical tunnel. Yeah, And

1480
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:36.880
all of these cocoon pods are like very much like

1481
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:42.960
a honeycomb, are lining around the outside perimeter, you know,

1482
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:49.239
around this this tunnel, and you start getting as disorienting

1483
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.760
as it is, it becomes even more disorienting because he

1484
01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:56.520
starts like almost floating as he's as he's digging his

1485
01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:00.000
way out and you realize, like gravity does not exist

1486
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:01.960
in the same way here.

1487
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.600
Yeah, he starts he's about to fall out, and then

1488
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.079
as he falls out of that spot, he realizes he's

1489
01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:11.199
not falling really, he's yeah, he's just kind of floating,

1490
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:13.600
like there may be a little gravity, but it's very

1491
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.159
very little mm hm. And this is the moment where

1492
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:20.039
I'm sure you realized that you were in for a

1493
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:26.800
serious scare, because he ends up punching through another membrane nearby,

1494
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:32.439
where he finds a man somehow still barely alive, who

1495
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.640
is basically just a torso.

1496
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:39.960
Yeah, and like decomposing but still somehow alive.

1497
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:44.199
Yeah, with with like no no nothing in the cavity

1498
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.439
below his chest. Yeah, and he like even kind of

1499
01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.640
reacts a kind of reach it from me. And he looks, honestly,

1500
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.680
straight out of a zombie movie. He looks like he's

1501
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:55.279
straight out of Day of the Dead. Yeah, very very scary,

1502
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:58.640
very shocking moment, and of course shocks him because he

1503
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.800
lands and is in his hand that goes right into

1504
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:01.520
the guy's guts.

1505
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:01.840
Yeah.

1506
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:03.439
Yes, he pulls out of there and he's trying to

1507
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.279
wipe the guts away, and he's trying to figure out

1508
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:10.800
what's going on, and to be discombobulated is an understatement.

1509
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.439
But as he tries to calm himself, he realizes, I

1510
01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:16.319
guess a number one, I don't want to go into

1511
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:20.000
any more of those things, and number two, I don't

1512
01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.000
want to be in one. So he starts making his

1513
01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:26.760
way up, up or down.

1514
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.039
Like that's the same as we can't We can't really

1515
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:33.039
know because he starts as he's climbing the cameras, you know,

1516
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:36.159
kind of changing angle a little bit, and he's floating

1517
01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.199
a little bit, and then as he floats you can

1518
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:44.319
see his hair, Like we were even talking about it.

1519
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:48.119
It must have been wire work. But as he's floating,

1520
01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:51.720
like his orientation will change and it kind of gives

1521
01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:55.079
you this feeling that again, gravity doesn't really work the

1522
01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:55.760
same here.

1523
01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.680
If I had to guess, it was a combination of

1524
01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:05.800
wire work and perspective shift like he would be.

1525
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:06.239
On a wire.

1526
01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:10.000
But also the camera was sideways or whatever, so that

1527
01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:14.079
you were getting two different kind of skewed views or whatever.

1528
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.119
But it appears like he's going up like that's kind

1529
01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:18.880
of what it looks like. Obviously, it doesn't up and

1530
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:20.159
down don't really matter.

1531
01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:20.720
Very much.

1532
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:25.760
Yeah, but he notices a car key, which I believe

1533
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:27.920
was his car key, Yeah, floating up.

1534
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:29.720
He recognizes it.

1535
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.920
And as he's trying to grab it, all of a sudden,

1536
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.399
it's gravity is on and he's up high. Yeah, like

1537
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:40.840
it basically flips. So now he's looking at the floor

1538
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.000
of a room. So he manages to kind of well

1539
01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:49.520
fall into what he thinks are a bunch of aliens. Well, well,

1540
01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.640
he doesn't think they're aliens. We think they're aliens. Better way,

1541
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:53.880
they look like a bunch of aliens. They look like grays.

1542
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:58.359
They have the big black eyes, super skinny. But that's

1543
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:01.880
when were they reveal those are base suits because he

1544
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.399
looks into one and it's empty, which I thought was

1545
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.520
a really cool reveal to show like a classic gray

1546
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:11.560
alien and they'd be like, no, no, those are spacesuits,

1547
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:16.520
which is another of many wild you know UFO theories

1548
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:21.359
out there or alien extrarestrial theories out there. So he's

1549
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.239
trying to figure out what he's going to do next,

1550
01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:30.119
and then we realize one of the suits is not empty,

1551
01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:37.640
and he has quite the close encounter of the scary kind.

1552
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:45.039
That's the best I got, Okay, but things are now

1553
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.399
going to escalate even further, I would. I think that's

1554
01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:52.600
a very sweet way of saying that. I was going

1555
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:59.119
to say a lot, a hell of a lot, and

1556
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:15.199
we'll tell you all about it after this. So as

1557
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:18.960
Travis is startled by this alien when he thought he

1558
01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:21.640
was in a room full of empty suits of some

1559
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:25.199
kind that looked like aliens to us, all of a

1560
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:29.359
sudden one of them grabs him. And this is the

1561
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:35.359
part where it truly it doesn't relent until basically the resolution.

1562
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.600
Yeah, it gets super crazy because one of the suits

1563
01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:43.239
kind of like almost comes to life and grabs him,

1564
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.439
and he starts like wrestling with it and trying to

1565
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:51.079
get away. And then a bare hand grabs him and

1566
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:55.479
it's vaguely human like, but it doesn't have nails, and

1567
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:59.239
like the joints seem kind of wrong, and it starts

1568
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.119
it starts like dragging him to the ground. And then

1569
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:07.399
another pair of hands come and we see there's two

1570
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:11.439
naked aliens, and again playing with those expectations that we

1571
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.000
have because they're naked, they're not in the suits, and

1572
01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:17.760
we start seeing just how human but not human they are.

1573
01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:22.119
They have no hair, and their brows are very are

1574
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:26.479
very pronounced, their noses are bulbous. They all look the same,

1575
01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:29.079
but they also don't look the same. They do look

1576
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.199
like they're individuals, but we don't see them very long,

1577
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:33.000
very often.

1578
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:35.840
Yeah, and which is super effective. You know, I'm a

1579
01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:38.840
huge fan of the less you can show of a

1580
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:42.119
monster in a movie, the more scary that monster tends

1581
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:45.680
to be. And they do that very well because we're

1582
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:50.199
almost getting it from Travis's point of view, where we're

1583
01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:54.000
only you know, you'll only see a glimpse of their

1584
01:33:54.039 --> 01:33:57.239
face in full light before you know they're back in

1585
01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.760
the shadows, or we'll only see a little bit of

1586
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:03.279
their and just enough to make us feel really unsettled

1587
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:06.399
at how different it is, but not long enough for

1588
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:09.680
us to like really get a good beat on them

1589
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:13.039
and really figure out, like what they're like. Except all

1590
01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:15.239
we know is they're not like us.

1591
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:19.319
But I don't think that's even remotely as scary as

1592
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:22.159
some of the other stuff that's about to come. For instance,

1593
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.760
as they now more aliens have come in and they

1594
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.920
begin to drag him through this slightly slightly more gravity

1595
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:35.640
gravity rich area, but still gravity is different. They're dragging

1596
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.000
him through this obscenely long filthy hallway. And that's one

1597
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:43.000
thing I noticed too. Everything's filthy, yeah, like dirty looking.

1598
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:48.479
Yeah, it's covered in grime and goo and ooze and

1599
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:50.119
it's covered in trash.

1600
01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:51.960
Well that's what I was getting to about, like one

1601
01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:55.199
of the things that would scare you, that like stuck

1602
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:57.399
with me, please you.

1603
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.119
As as they're dragging him along and he's like trying

1604
01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:05.119
to get a hand hold on the ground on anything

1605
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:07.840
so that he can try and save himself. We start

1606
01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:15.399
seeing shoes, items, eyeglasses, items of clothing. We start seeing jewelry.

1607
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.560
Clearly human by the way, I mean like no very

1608
01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:22.119
recognizable space rebox. I mean like we're seeing like stuff

1609
01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:25.199
that looks like it's been there for years, if not decades.

1610
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:27.279
It looks very old.

1611
01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:31.800
And worn, and and the idea being that, yeah, they've

1612
01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:34.039
done this a lot for a very long time.

1613
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.640
But talk about a Holocaust symbol.

1614
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.119
Mm hmmm is all I'm saying.

1615
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:42.760
The clothes and the shoes again, you go, yeah, you

1616
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:46.720
definitely go back to that Holocaust symbology of the long

1617
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:52.680
Long corridor and all of those belongings just discarded onto

1618
01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:56.640
the ground, which is very powerful, you know, is a

1619
01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:00.279
powerful metaphor and It was an extremely powerful story telling

1620
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:07.439
visually because you you really start to understand between this

1621
01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:15.279
and between this the tube of pods full of decaying bodies,

1622
01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:18.760
you start to understand like the scope and the magnitude

1623
01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:22.800
of these abductions, and that makes it even scarier.

1624
01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:26.039
Oh yeah, definitely, without a doubt. Yeah.

1625
01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:29.800
So they drag him into this this at the end

1626
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:34.000
of the hall. It's like this circular examination room, and

1627
01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.119
they throw him down into the center of the room

1628
01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:41.319
and he's fastened down like these straps just come up

1629
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:42.600
out of the ground.

1630
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.399
And hug him. And then uh, they cover him in

1631
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:49.439
like this film almost it's like it's a membrane and

1632
01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:50.239
it yeah.

1633
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:53.760
It's another membrane and it totally encases him his body

1634
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.800
and just like vacuum seals to him, so he can't

1635
01:36:56.800 --> 01:37:02.279
even like move, and it you feel so claustrophobic because

1636
01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:05.640
you can see it constricting, like he's trying to scream

1637
01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:09.800
and you can see it constricting into his mouth. And

1638
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:12.960
then and then they just poke a hole in where

1639
01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:16.600
his mouth is and one hole where his eye is, which,

1640
01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:21.800
for some reason to me psychologically, there is something even

1641
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.319
scarier about you can only see out of one eye

1642
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:26.319
makes it even worse.

1643
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:29.960
Well, and and making you able to see what's going

1644
01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.760
on is also scary. You know that was was that

1645
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.680
on Dexter. There was some movie, it might have been

1646
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.199
Dexter where that was like an element of killing somebody

1647
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.119
as they put him. Oh no, no, I'm thinking of

1648
01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:45.239
law abiding citizen where he's he's cutting up the body

1649
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:48.359
parts of the guy who killed his daughter and his wife,

1650
01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:51.560
and he puts up a giant mirror over top of

1651
01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:54.680
him with a photograph of his daughter and wife so

1652
01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:58.800
that the guy can watch him. Oh, he tells him,

1653
01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:00.600
if he closes his eyes will kint of eyelids off.

1654
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:04.159
That movie's that. But and then they reveal later like

1655
01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:07.439
his eyelids were cut off. Oh god, yes, so you

1656
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:09.640
would see it. So I mean there's also some cruelty

1657
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.119
to being able to see what's going on. But what

1658
01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.920
we realize is there's even more cruelty coming for his eyes.

1659
01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:19.680
But first, as he's gasping for air because they've cut

1660
01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.760
open around his mouth, they begin to feed a They

1661
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.760
put like a speculum almost in his mouth, his mouth open,

1662
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.000
and they start feeding a tube all the way down.

1663
01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:32.560
It just keeps going and it's and it's a metal

1664
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:34.840
tube that kind of it has like ribs ridges on

1665
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:40.880
it as it's going further and further down his gullet.

1666
01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:43.239
And that's something that you know, if you've had any

1667
01:38:44.199 --> 01:38:48.159
you know, moderate hospital stay, that's going to freak you

1668
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:51.399
out because you've probably experienced something like that or seen

1669
01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.239
something yeah well, I mean or something you know. Just

1670
01:38:56.359 --> 01:39:01.960
so we're already getting mortified by all of that, and

1671
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:06.159
now we're starting to understand, like, Okay, clearly we're heading

1672
01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:12.560
into the alien experimenting on a human thing. You know,

1673
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:16.000
obviously that's where we're heading. This is an alien abduction

1674
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:21.279
after all, so why wouldn't they. But it's it's so

1675
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:26.000
upsetting because this membrane makes him look almost like he's

1676
01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.520
not a human anymore. He's just parts.

1677
01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:29.359
Yeah.

1678
01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:33.560
Yeah, And when you have surgery done, they do put

1679
01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:37.159
a sheet over you so that they aren't distracted by

1680
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:39.840
anything other than what they're working on in the section

1681
01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:43.119
of your body they're working on. When I had when

1682
01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.760
I had minor jaw surgery, they put a sheet over

1683
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:48.479
my head, so I was just a mouth. Yeah, although

1684
01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:50.319
they told me later that was mostly so that I

1685
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:53.000
didn't see all the blood because I was awake.

1686
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:54.640
Oh that's right.

1687
01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:58.119
They said that it just usually in dental procedures, you're

1688
01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:00.520
not bleeding like that, Like they're not pulling drills out

1689
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:02.520
covered in blood. And they're like, it can cause people

1690
01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:04.119
to panic or freak out even though they're not.

1691
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:06.279
Feeling any pain. Yeah, and I agree. I would.

1692
01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:10.960
I much enjoyed looking at that white sheet instead. Honestly, no,

1693
01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:15.760
I did. But now they put a similar piece, a

1694
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:21.279
similar device on his eye, holding his eyelids open. And

1695
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:27.000
then the biggest, most upsetting part of the entire film

1696
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:42.760
right after this. So I've seen this movie at least

1697
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.800
a couple times, and you had only seen it the once.

1698
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:48.680
I'm going to give you the honors of talking about

1699
01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:53.720
the most nightmare fuel part of the entire movie.

1700
01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:54.319
Ah.

1701
01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:59.960
So they've got him, you know, down on the examination table.

1702
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.920
He's covered in this membrane. They've got his mouth and

1703
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:10.359
his eyeball speculum to open, and then uh, this this

1704
01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.680
thing starts coming down from the ceiling and it's like

1705
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:18.279
it's almost coming down. It almost looks like a at first,

1706
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:23.000
it almost looks like a telescope or something, the way

1707
01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:28.560
it's telescoping down and all of this white, oopy, goopy

1708
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:30.720
stuff starts coming out of it.

1709
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:31.760
I don't remember that.

1710
01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:34.039
You don't remember the because he's like the.

1711
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:37.640
White goo came out of his eye open. Oh, and

1712
01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:39.439
it wasn't It was very milky.

1713
01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:44.279
It was like gooey, milky, gross stuff. That That was

1714
01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.680
the first thing that started making an impression because I

1715
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:51.720
was like really upset by this liquidy goop goo touching

1716
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:54.199
his eye, watching and watching it.

1717
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:55.680
Because it was filling up the cavity.

1718
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.600
Yeah, it was like filling up his eye. And this

1719
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.960
thing starts to scoping down and with each section it

1720
01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:08.560
gets smaller and smaller and smaller, and then this needle

1721
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:12.279
comes out right over his eye and it's just hovering.

1722
01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:16.720
And what makes it even worse is it starts out

1723
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:21.520
is like a mildly large needle where you'd go like,

1724
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.359
oh wow, that's a pretty big needle, and then it

1725
01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:29.119
keeps extending until it's like I swear the thing must

1726
01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:30.720
have been like nine inches long.

1727
01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:34.279
Maybe very wrong, Yeah, it was extremely long.

1728
01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:39.119
Yeah, and it the length of time it just hovers

1729
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.239
over his eye as he's trying to blink, and then

1730
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:46.800
it just presses in slowly and the.

1731
01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:50.800
Entire time, we're cutting to these aliens who, while they're

1732
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:55.960
obviously animatronics, they have expressions, they furrow their brows, they

1733
01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.640
look closer, they're they're you know, very curious. And that's

1734
01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:03.159
the big thing. There's no sense of anything other than

1735
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:04.640
interest and curiosity.

1736
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:05.920
Yeah, there's no malice.

1737
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:09.920
No, it's just it's it's just huh hmmm. Can they

1738
01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:10.760
get a better look at that?

1739
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:19.279
Yeah, which, again, the clinical feeling makes it worse. Sure,

1740
01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:24.359
I think there's there's something psychologically where if something is

1741
01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:30.439
malicious or mean, or we can identify it as being

1742
01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:35.720
uh ill spirited, we can handle that.

1743
01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:39.239
That's because that's human. No, because yes, it is is

1744
01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:40.359
a human experience.

1745
01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.560
We we we can comprehend it. It tracks for us,

1746
01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:46.399
and so at least we can go like, Okay, I

1747
01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:49.239
don't like this, but at least I can understand it.

1748
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:55.920
But this, this clinical, this cold, clinical curiosity is very

1749
01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:58.920
different from our curiosity, but also not so different. And

1750
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:02.000
again it goes back to those you know, the Nazi experiments.

1751
01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.439
Once you're used to something, it's just another day.

1752
01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:06.039
Yeah.

1753
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:12.399
So yeah, very you know, it's it's scary, beyond scary,

1754
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:18.920
it's deeply unsettling because it's kind of this this reflection,

1755
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:21.600
and it makes us feel like, oh.

1756
01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:24.760
What would it be like to just be a test subject,

1757
01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.680
to be a lesser life form? Yeah, no, that's that's

1758
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.760
really what is scary because as humans, we are always

1759
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:33.720
at the top of the food chain. We're always we're

1760
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:39.800
always the most intelligent and cunning we are the world,

1761
01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:46.000
and to not be is a very scary concept because

1762
01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:48.199
that you're right, they're looking at it like you might

1763
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.399
look at a fish. Yeah, that you're that you that

1764
01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:54.239
you're you know, just kind of looking at going like

1765
01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:54.960
what is it doing?

1766
01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:56.720
What are those things on the side of its head?

1767
01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:00.359
And that's something that you know, people who claim to

1768
01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:02.399
have been abducted by UFO say a lot is that

1769
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:05.640
it's like a fisherman catches you and then just throws

1770
01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:09.520
you back. Yeah, you know, I always like that old

1771
01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:11.680
stand up to me a joke, the comedy joke that

1772
01:45:11.720 --> 01:45:13.000
was like, I wonder what the fish say to each

1773
01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:14.880
other when they when they get back, when they get

1774
01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:17.359
thrown back, they're like, I saw this thing and all this.

1775
01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:18.359
Stuff, and.

1776
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:24.880
Right, sure you did, okay, but no, it's a very

1777
01:45:26.119 --> 01:45:31.840
dehumanizing feeling to have the concept of your pain, your discomfort,

1778
01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:37.479
your fear, just completely not understood. And that is and

1779
01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:40.439
that's why I love that they put so much effort

1780
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:44.680
into those aliens faces so that they could effectively show

1781
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:50.800
an emotion. The wrong emotions. Yeah, yeah, no concern, no concern,

1782
01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:56.039
no annoyance, no joy, just curiosity. Yeah, that is so

1783
01:45:56.800 --> 01:46:00.319
unbelievably terrifying to just be a big hunk of meat

1784
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:04.680
on the slab. That is something that makes it stick

1785
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:06.680
with you so much. And I really can't overstate if

1786
01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:08.199
you're listening to this and you even watch the movie,

1787
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:11.560
yet once they put that membrane all over his body,

1788
01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:15.159
the movie becomes truly hellish nightmare stuff, like it really does.

1789
01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:19.840
It's just there's something so horrifying about that. And one

1790
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:22.279
of the things I love about sci fi is the

1791
01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:25.159
idea of going beyond what we what makes sense to us.

1792
01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:28.479
So it's there's no straps, there's no rope, there's no chains.

1793
01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:34.239
It's something organic, it's something wet, it's something else like I.

1794
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:36.680
I you know me, I I love to riff on

1795
01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:39.760
anything you give me, but not just humorously like I

1796
01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:42.000
will you know you put me in a situation and

1797
01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:43.479
be like, are you how this could make sense, and

1798
01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:46.319
I'll do it. Like and like, for instance, the whole

1799
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:48.600
idea of like how everything looks dirty, everything is grimy.

1800
01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:51.880
It's probably because our understanding of germs and theirs are

1801
01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:54.239
completely different to them. They're like, there are no germs here.

1802
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:57.399
We know for a fact, all germs are dead. Yeah

1803
01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:00.319
the end, Like who cares if it's dirty or whatever,

1804
01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:02.880
Like yeah, we don't there's no germs, yeah the end,

1805
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.800
we don't care. Yeah, Like like in our world, you know,

1806
01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:08.880
getting rid of germs means cleaning hard surfaces down to

1807
01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:12.840
the to the you know, down to the hard part

1808
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.000
of the surface to where it's not porous, and then

1809
01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:18.079
disinfecting it and drying it. There's a it's a whole process,

1810
01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:20.119
and if you want to disaffect something porous, it's an

1811
01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:23.159
even longer difficult process. To them, it's just like there's

1812
01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:25.520
no there's no Yeah, there's no microbes here.

1813
01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:28.279
Yeah we got the we got the laser thing. It

1814
01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:29.720
kills all the microbes or.

1815
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:31.439
It's just we just like lift it in the vacuum

1816
01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:33.279
space when you know every now and then and that

1817
01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:35.600
just kills everything. I don't know, Like I'm not an alien,

1818
01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:42.680
I'm not okay, But now as the needle goes into

1819
01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:48.760
Travis's eye, we're back with Travis on Earth, and now

1820
01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:53.600
we fully understand what happened that night question mark, because

1821
01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.520
the time we don't timeframe of how long he was

1822
01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:00.279
he was kept. We know that he was dehydrated. They

1823
01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:03.840
didn't feed him, they just kept him as basically alive

1824
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:08.920
as possible. And now, oddly enough is the time for

1825
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:27.159
healing after this. So now that Travis has had his flashback,

1826
01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:30.479
so that we all as the audience, understand what's really happened,

1827
01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:34.439
He's back at the party, these people are around, and

1828
01:48:34.479 --> 01:48:38.359
now it is over, but he has to live with

1829
01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:42.720
these memories. Which that's another scary element for sure, is

1830
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.720
the idea of being of what trauma does to us.

1831
01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.359
So now we go into even more human territory, ironically

1832
01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:56.880
after you know, all the aliens, because now things calm down,

1833
01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:02.760
there's no inquiry any more, the police stop sniffing around,

1834
01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:06.319
people kind of go back to living, and we find

1835
01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:10.640
out that Mike Rogers has left his wife and is

1836
01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:14.680
living up in the mountains just kind of solitude, because

1837
01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:16.520
I think he had enough of the way people had

1838
01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:19.479
treated him when they thought he'd killed Travis, and of

1839
01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:21.960
course Travis doesn't want anything to do with Mike because

1840
01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:24.720
he feels Mike is the one who abandoned him. And

1841
01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:29.039
we end on this really great scene where Travis drives

1842
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:32.600
up to Mike's place and they start talking. We find

1843
01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:37.119
out that that Travis did marry Mike's sister and they're

1844
01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:40.399
about to have their second kid, which surprises Mike. He's like,

1845
01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:42.640
you're about to be an uncle again, and he's like again,

1846
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.600
He's like, nobody told you. He's like, I've been up here.

1847
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.159
I don't get a lot of visitors. And they decide

1848
01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:51.159
to do something really interesting. Travis has let me take

1849
01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:53.640
you for a ride, and they go out to where

1850
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:57.760
it happened in the broad daylight, and he just tells

1851
01:49:57.800 --> 01:50:01.600
him like, I understand I shouldn't have got out of

1852
01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:06.680
the car and I would have been scared senseless, and

1853
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:08.840
they just have a moment where they kind of become

1854
01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:11.960
friends again and except that both of them have been

1855
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:15.479
through hell and both of them need a friend. Yeah,

1856
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:20.199
it's a very sweet ending as the film. Really, that's it.

1857
01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:23.840
That's that's the resolution of the film. And we do

1858
01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.920
find out that eventually all all of the men took

1859
01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:30.399
a polygraph again and they all passed, including Dallas. There

1860
01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:33.239
are a few little snippets like that, you know, but

1861
01:50:34.039 --> 01:50:37.239
that's that is Fire in the Sky one of the

1862
01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:41.600
scariest alien movies I've ever seen, and it's not there's

1863
01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:44.840
very little alien in it, but boy, when it's there,

1864
01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:48.760
it does the work, yeah, of scaring the shit out

1865
01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:51.079
of you. It came out, like I said, in nineteen

1866
01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:54.079
ninety three, it did nineteen point nine million dollars at

1867
01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:56.359
the box office against a fifteen million dollar budget, so

1868
01:50:56.399 --> 01:51:01.079
it was relatively a box office flop. But it's been

1869
01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:04.359
very well received. It was not well received when it

1870
01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:06.359
came out, but it's become very well by critics. But

1871
01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:11.119
it's very well received now. But a lot of people

1872
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:13.800
had had a lot of the negative things they said

1873
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:16.000
about it were like, oh, it's great once they get

1874
01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:20.359
in the spacecraft. I disagree. The actors were great. Every

1875
01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:22.600
one of the people in the town was great. It

1876
01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:26.479
was really engulfing. And what you the movie wouldn't be

1877
01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:28.760
as scary if they were on that craft more.

1878
01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:34.960
Yeah, yeah, it would have felt like it. It would

1879
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:39.079
have felt like it diluted the experience. If it would

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01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:41.720
have drawn it out because I think the movie is

1881
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.399
only like one hundred and nine minutes long. It goes

1882
01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:48.359
by it a pretty fast clip, and I feel that

1883
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:51.600
if they would have drawn out being on the spacecraft,

1884
01:51:51.720 --> 01:51:55.600
it wouldn't have been effective because the scarcity of it,

1885
01:51:55.840 --> 01:52:04.079
the feeling of being totally totally disoriented with Travis for

1886
01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:09.000
the brief like six minute eight minute sequence, which that

1887
01:52:09.039 --> 01:52:14.920
feels like, Yeah, it feels so long because it's so gruesome.

1888
01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:18.800
I feel like you would get desensitized to it. Honestly, yeah,

1889
01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:21.720
it would, and it would become normal. Yeah, it would

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01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:25.680
lose its effectiveness. And being such a short feature of

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01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:29.760
the film is what makes it so powerful.

1892
01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:32.520
I agree, And it makes it stick. It makes it

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01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:37.279
stick with you. The fact is, I think the storytelling

1894
01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:40.640
is strong, and I think that it would be weakened

1895
01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:43.279
by it being like a NonStop sci fi or a

1896
01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:47.600
NonStop horror movie. I mean, it's already a thriller drama.

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01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:48.279
I saw.

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One of the big critics had said that while he

1899
01:52:52.640 --> 01:52:55.920
liked how gut wrenching and scary the abduction scenes where

1900
01:52:56.199 --> 01:52:57.840
he felt like it couldn't decide whether it wanted to

1901
01:52:57.880 --> 01:52:59.960
be a horror movie a drama movie or science fiction movie.

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01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:02.800
And I agree, except that I think that's what makes

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01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:07.600
the movie awesome. Yeah, I agree, is that it is

1904
01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:11.359
a drama about people. And you know, granted, like we've

1905
01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:15.159
mentioned many times already, based on a true story element

1906
01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:17.800
is kind of scurl us at best. I mean, it's

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01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:19.640
based on a book that may or may.

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01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:20.239
Not have happened.

1909
01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:25.520
I'm not a believer personally, but whatever, But it is

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01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:30.279
a movie about people and how people react to the extraordinary,

1911
01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:35.159
especially people who live every day in the ordinary. Yes,

1912
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and that's what I think makes it have extra staying powers.

1913
01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:41.680
When you're a kid, you'll remember those scenes forever, but

1914
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:46.800
as an adult, you can appreciate the way a community

1915
01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:51.520
was just torn apart, and the idea of losing your

1916
01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:59.720
friends and holding grudges and growing and learning to handle trauma. Yeah,

1917
01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:05.720
so that's my thought. What about you, No, I.

1918
01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:10.920
Have to I definitely have to agree. You've often said,

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01:54:11.039 --> 01:54:15.359
and I have to agree with you that the final

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01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:18.640
scene and the final shot of a movie can reveal

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01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:23.159
oftentimes what that movie is actually about. And I think

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01:54:23.159 --> 01:54:26.680
that Fire in the Sky was a great example, because

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01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:31.760
the closing scene is all about Travis and Mike reconciling

1924
01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:38.079
after healing from this trauma, and you really do start

1925
01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:42.880
to get that feel from the movie that the extraordinary

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01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:48.479
circumstances could have been anything. It didn't necessarily have to

1927
01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:53.239
be aliens. What this movie was truly about was about

1928
01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:58.239
the extraordinary circumstances and how the town dealt with it.

1929
01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:02.880
Yeah, how and how friendships? You know, how how hard

1930
01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:04.560
it is to be loyal, how hard it is to

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01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.319
own up to your mistakes, how hard it is to

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01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:09.600
make decisions under pressure and live with the consequences.

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Mm hmmm.

1934
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I think those are all major parts of what the

1935
01:55:13.399 --> 01:55:16.680
theme of the film is about, or the thesis. I guess,

1936
01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:19.920
I guess that's the theme. Or no, I guess that's

1937
01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:21.960
the thesis. Now the theme is space aliens.

1938
01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:25.079
I suppose, Yeah, the theme is space aliens. Sorry the

1939
01:55:25.479 --> 01:55:26.720
small town drama.

1940
01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:32.079
Oh fine. So with that all being said, if you

1941
01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:34.760
haven't seen Fire in the Sky, I really do think

1942
01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:36.039
you should watch it. It's one of those movies that

1943
01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:38.760
didn't get a fair shake originally, and I'm glad people

1944
01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:41.239
are appreciating it. I'm glad I got to sit down

1945
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:43.399
and watch it again and talk about it a bit

1946
01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.560
and talk about how scary aliens are. And I'd be

1947
01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:50.279
remiss if I didn't mention really very quickly that Nope.

1948
01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:54.079
The Jordan Peele movie is about one of the other

1949
01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:57.800
major theories about UFOs that UFO people have, which is

1950
01:55:57.840 --> 01:56:03.199
that UFOs aren't spacecraft. They're giant animals you can fly around,

1951
01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.840
and the reason they abduct people is they eat them.

1952
01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:10.800
So if you've never seen Nope, really good movie and

1953
01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:14.279
a great horror sci fi kind of alien movie, but

1954
01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:18.000
not in the way you'd expect. Yeah, So that's you know,

1955
01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:21.079
that's it for this cutting deep into horror. But we

1956
01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:23.800
want to mention that we'll be back much sooner than normal.

1957
01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:27.479
We're trying to find a groove here in life and

1958
01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:30.960
in this podcast, so to talk to you, Spooky's a

1959
01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:33.319
little bit more about fun horror movies.

1960
01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:37.520
What do we have coming next, Rach, Well next, And

1961
01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:40.479
it's funny because you mentioned it toward the beginning of

1962
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:43.560
the show, But my fault, you're a one trick pony

1963
01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:45.640
and you just want to do more horror sci fi. Ah,

1964
01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:47.600
I just love horror sci fi so much.

1965
01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:50.119
So next we're going to be doing Event Horizon.

1966
01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:54.279
Yes, and that is I consider that a relatively modern

1967
01:56:54.319 --> 01:56:55.479
classic horror film.

1968
01:56:55.800 --> 01:56:58.439
Yes, that one's pretty good. You've you've shown it to

1969
01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:02.600
me and I was blown away, which is why I

1970
01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:06.239
definitely wanted to make sure that we cover it.

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It's a classic. It stars Laurence Fishburne and Sam Neil

1972
01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:16.119
and it is basically a science fiction Pandora's Box kind

1973
01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:19.920
of concept where what if dark matter and faster than

1974
01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:23.479
light travel could open a not only open or cut

1975
01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:26.319
through the fabric of space, but what if what was

1976
01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:30.479
on the other side was basically the thing that all

1977
01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:36.319
scholars and philosophers based hell on. Basically, Yeah, but I'm

1978
01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:40.760
making it really simple. The tagline was infinite space infinite terror,

1979
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:43.279
which is cheesy, but it gets the job done.

1980
01:57:43.359 --> 01:57:44.800
It's effective. Yeah.

1981
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So, but we do really appreciate you guys joining us.

1982
01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:51.359
It's been really cool to do the show, to bring

1983
01:57:51.399 --> 01:57:53.000
the show back again. We always bring it back at

1984
01:57:53.079 --> 01:57:56.319
least around Halloween time because there's so many horror movies

1985
01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:57.760
and we all want to watch them.

1986
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So but thank you guys again.

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If you enjoy what we did here tonight and you

1988
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want to email us, you can do so at Weekly

1989
01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:07.039
Spooky at gmail dot com. We love film recommendations. All

1990
01:58:07.119 --> 01:58:10.319
kinds of things like that. We're totally down for it.

1991
01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:12.560
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1992
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:15.159
you go to Weeklyspooky dot com slash join join our

1993
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:17.840
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1994
01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:20.640
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1995
01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:24.399
favorite podcasting apps and leave a five star rating.

1996
01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:28.600
Yeah, so I'll give you the last word, Rach. The

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truth is out there. Well, we're gonna get sued.