Cutting Deep Into Horror | Event Horizon (1997) — Haunted Spaceship, Hell Clues & Ending Explained

0:00 Well, I'm so happy to have you on board my ship. Rachel. It's quite a ship. It is not what I was expecting at all, is it. Well, yes, the engine is in the front like a Volkswagen Beetle, and a lot of people have actually said they like it. Okay, So there's a difference between quirky and beyond the comprehension of uh man or god oh. You're talking about the They're like space ghosts but also interdimensional beings. But also I'm not actually sure if they're corporeal or not. It's a lot, yeah, it is, but in space it's like it's like manufacturing candy. You know, if you're gonna do great and you're gonna be prolific, there's gonna be some rat feces in there every now and then, or in this case, unspeakable human terrors. But we also have a an excellent dining hall. We also have botchie ball and corn hole.

1:07 I don't, I don't, I don't know if I don't know if having party games is going to cancel out the there. Is no party going on here. We're in constant threat of death having to be in space as our jobs, Rachel. Right, So why the Bochi ball then. Because if you're tense all the time, how are you going to get, you know, come through when all of a sudden it's like, oh, I gotta fix the oxygen reclaimer. But also this demon is tapping on my shoulder, trying to remind me of the dead languages of the elder gods. I'm starting to wonder if you've even passed your placement test. See, I'm tense now, So let's go play boci ball. Okay, all we have to do is go through the hall of eternal torment. Okay, after you oh no, oh, yes, no no, I insist you'll enjoy yourself.

2:04 This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark, secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health. There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now, sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is Cutting Deep into Horror. Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I am, of course, your host and narrator here at Weekly Spooky Enrique Kuto, here with my good buddy co host and space friend Rachel Ridolfi, Rachel, how are you h feeling.

2:58 Kind of spooky with Yeah? With the sci fi movies that we've been watching recently. Well, and we're in the burr months now. Yeah, finally officially in the bur months. Although the weather is not letting us feel like we're in the back. That's not a fair statement. The weather changed after letting us have the slightest taste of the burr months. Then it was like, but anyway high in eighty nine to ninety two range for like eight more days. But I'll take it because I mowed the lawn last Friday and the weather was just becoming in the high eighties again. M hmm. And when I was mowing, I was literally a kicking dust around. I was like, all right, well, if it doesn't rain again, which is not supposed to this week, I literally can't mow next week because I took a week off and even then there was barely any growth.

3:45 So anything that gets me out of having to mow the lawn I will take happily. Absolve you of your responsibility. Exactly, And you know it's funny now. So I just had my birthday last week and and thank you all the Weekly Spooky folks who sent in happy birthday messages because the main show Weekly Spooky had a drop on my birthday, so I of course mentioned in the whole thing like, oh, and you know it's my birthday, because that was the first time I'd ever had a Weekly Spooky drop on my birthday. So I got a lot of really nice messages and things like that, and even a couple of gifts, which was super super sweet. But I'm realizing how poetic it is that my birthday is in September, because it's the I literally have a major event in every Ber month because my birthday is in September, because September would be the only month that doesn't have, you know, a Halloween, a Thanksgiving, or a Christmas, right, so then September is my birthday. So I like that.

4:48 I'll take it. Yeah, you get to kick everything off, kick off the festivity. Why the hell not? Right, But I'm a big fan of the bur month. Oh yeah, it is a bit warm for it. Yeah, but we did have that like four or five days where it felt like fall for real, which ionically it was still summer when we felt those though, So whoops. Eh, the weather can't figure it out. It's Ohio though. Well, you know what I like to say. What I like to say, predicting the weather is a lot like predicting the weather. You do say that, actually, because in my opinion, the metaphor for being hard to predict is the weather. Yeah, it is what we compare unpredictability too.

5:31 Yeah, like the best relatable thing to it. The only thing you can use adam as a metaphor is the thing itself. Yeah, that's how unpredictable the weather is. Because when I first was living outside of Ohio and traveling a ton for work, I had grown up with the whole well, if you don't like the weather in Ohio, wait five minutes. And then I found out basically anywhere shy of like Miami or San Diego, they all say that everyone, everyone in a temperance climate, believes that they have the market cornered on unpredictable weather. They really do. I was in West Virginia, like, if you like the weather in West Virginia, wait five minutes. You like the weather in Philly, wait five minutes. You don't like the weather in Jersey, wait five minutes. And I was like, Oh, this is just everywhere because the weather is very hard to predict, accepted a few little enclaves in the United States, and even then, I mean, you still might get surprised.

6:24 Hurricanes. Yeah, whoops, Yeah, I mean for real. So yeah, so it's been it's been an interesting start to the Burr months. I also got inducted into the Horror Host Hall of Fame, which is weird to say out loud. Yeah, but it did. It did happen like just a few days ago. So that was cool, interesting experience. It's on my YouTube channel. If anybody wants to check that out, they can find my YouTube channel for it. I was gonna upload it to the podcast feed, but the audio is as good as I could get it, and I feel like it's like, I don't know, I feel like listening to it on headphones might be a little jarring, but maybe I'm just being overly sensitive because my podcast has expensive microphones and we did d I just want everything to sound great.

7:08 I can't help it. So but anyway, so there's been a lot going on. Yeah, and on top of that, the bur months mean, like this is September is the prelude to spooky. Season, so it's like the spooky pre game. Yeah, I mean pretty much. So hey, hey, hey, we've been watching some cool spooky movies. We've been getting cutting deep back back in the swing of things, which is always nice because usually if it falls off for a little while, it always comes back in the burr months, because that's the best time to watch scary stuff and the best time to talk about it. And we're talking tonight about a film that I've always really enjoyed that I feel has definitely definitely earned its audience later on m Like, without a doubt, people people are very in love with nineteen ninety seven's Event Horizon, directed by Paul Anderson and written by Philip Eisner. But it's funny because it bombed horribly at the box office. And we'll get into that more in a moment, But we watched my brand new collector's edition four K. So people love this movie.

8:21 It's just it's really it got its due way later. Yeah, it did not get its due in the theater. Yeah, it took a while for people to like realize how good it is. Well, it was also just a very expensive science fiction horror movie, so that made it. You know, it had a sixty million dollar budget. And it made forty two million at the box office. If they had made it for fifteen million, it would have been a hit. Yeah, not saying they could have. I'm just saying if they did that, it would have been a hit. Lots of horror movies in that era that would be considered very expensive fifteen million dollars for a horror movie, and they would have been huge hits if they had that box office. Yeah, So for that time period, especially because this was also a weird time in horror history due to Scream reinventing the wheel.

9:09 Oh yeah. If you watch horror films in the early to mid nineties before Screamed, they're very different. People were expecting monster movies to make a full comeback. That's why you have movies like Deep Rising and stuff species the Relic. Yeah, those were all people really thought, like, Oh, monsters are about to make their comeback. And then Scream happened. And then also a lot of ghost stuff was kind of being pushed, like the Thirteen Ghosts remake, the House on Haunt Hill remake, a lot of stuff like that, which event Horizon was like smack dab at the beginning of that cycle as well, and we'll talk about a little bit more of that and probably get cursed and die in space after this. So we're back talking about nineteen ninety seven's Event Horizon. It stars Laurence Fishburne, Sam Neil, Kathleen Quinlan, and Jolie Richardson. Jolie it's literally Jolie. Okay, Oh, I'm used to Jolie with an ie if it's a woman's name. So I thought this was some kind of a name I wasn't familiar with. That was Joel, but then a y at the end, so I was like, oh, it must be like to me, that sounds like Irish or something. Yeah, like that's the version, but no Jolie Richardson.

10:35 The second I saw our picture, I was like, oh, yeah, Jolie Richardson, Yeah, yeah, I know who that is. They star in the film. It is a science fiction horror story, which we are big fans of. Yes, well, you're just a big I mean I've always loved science fiction. I've been a Star Trek fan for as long as I can remember, and not just like a little fan, like a very big fan. Yeah, you're like, what is it? Died in the Wall. I've always always loved Star Trek And speaking of Star Trek, if you want to watch Event Horizon, you can see it on Paramount Plus with a subscription. You can see it on MGM Plus with a subscription. You can also find it on Fuboo TV, Fuobo TV, the Roku channel.

11:22 They all require subscriptions. Unfortunately, it is not available to watch anywhere for totally free, but it is available. I would say Paramount Plus is probably your best bet, but I will mention if you guys don't know this life hack. If you're like, oh, man, I only want to watch Event Horizon, but I've already had Paramount Plus, so I can't get a free trial. If you sign up for Paramount Plus through like Amazon Prime Video, or you sign up with it through YouTube, you'll get another seven day trial. Ooh, good to know often the case, So don't quote me on that one hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure that you can. You could do that. So if you're if you're dying to watch Event Horizon also, I will say places like Paramount Plus, places like Peacock, the best time to like subscribe and then cancel in a month or two is now because all the fun spooky season stuff.

12:12 The original movies, the indie movies, the classic movies you've always liked. They're all going to be jumping onto all the streaming services over the next two months. Oh yeah, that's true. That's true. A lot of my favorite like time. Like uh, I usually only have a Peacock subscription and a and a couple of other ones only from September to December because I want the Chrismas movies too, so, so I just want to mention that too, Like that's there's never a better time than right now as far as content drops to just sign up for someplace. And I'm not sponsored by Paramount Plus or anything obviously, so since I just told you like ways, you could probably get around a seven day free trial. But but yeah, if you were ever gonna do it, that. Would be the time. Now's your time.

12:53 So but that's where you can watch Event Horizon right now, and I recommend you watch it before we spoil it a bunch. Although Event Horizon is kind of hard to fully spoil because so much of it is exponential and not story mm hm, So I think it'll be hard to fully spoil it without you being able to see it because a lot of what you see is what kind of messes you up with the film? Right, Well, it's very similar to like when we were talking about Fire in the Sky last week and we both kind of mentioned, like, yeah, the thing that everyone remembers, that everyone talks about is the short scene of you know, being on the alien spaceship and you know being you know, used as a scientific experiment. But that's such a small part of the actual film. And it's very similar with Event Horizon, where like you could state the plot, or you could state like different imagery that they use as jump scares throughout, but you're never going to be able to fully convey the movie without just sitting down and watching it.

14:03 Yeah, I would agree. I mean in most that's true for most movies, but I think a lot that's a lot of movies you could spoil them with words. Yeah, it's a little hard, Like I could say, like and it's the most terrifying you know, scarred faced monster that doesn't tell you anything until you watch it. So yeah, but I've always loved Event Horizon. The first time I saw it was probably in nineteen ninety eight on VHS tape, and I was a deep devote to the sci Fi channel. I lived basically on sci Fi Channel TBS USA and Comedy Central like in Nickelodeon, Like that was where I lived on the TV dial. So they had a TV special about event Horizon where they talked about the science fiction concepts, the concept of using an event horizon, the literal scientific term to travel faster than light. You know, they talked about all that stuff, and of course I'm super into it because Star Trek fan, lifelong Star Trek fan.

15:08 I mean, I was a lifelong Star Trek fan. When I was eleven and twelve years old. I had already been a Star Trek fan like for four years at that point, so I was always super engrossed in science fiction, and there weren't a ton of really scary sci fi films. I mean, we've talked about how horror and sci fi goes together great in every way except box office. It goes together great from a audience standpoint, it goes together great from a thematic standpoint, but it does not go together very well in the realm of horror. With a few gigantic exceptions, yeah, the main one being Alien. Yeah, but Alien is so good and so loved people forget it's basically a horror movie. They forget that it's a horror movie on a spaceship, especially because much like Terminator, I Run because Alien, Aliens and Terminator two are directed by James Cameron. But much like with Terminator and Terminator two, people tend to forget how much of a horror movie the first Terminator is because Terminator two is a big It is one of the biggest adventure movies of all time. Yeah, real it. Ironically, it pretty much unseated Aliens, which was the biggest one before that, and that was also James Cameron.

16:24 But he just liked to outdo himself known for that. I mean, that's a very common thing. But aside from those notable exceptions, horror sci fi just there's something about it. It just doesn't tend to click that often. But there are tons of really interesting horror sci fi examples that people often forget. I believe it was the fourth hell Raiser movie is in space. Yeah, actually I wanted to bring that up because you know, you were the one who showed me Event Horizon first, and you're also the one who showed me the hell Raiser movies, and we did a hell Raiser like marathon and it was Hell Raiser Bloodline, which came out a year before, and as we were rewatching Event Horizon last night, I kept thinking, like, man, this is like hell Raiser Bloodline, but serious and like actually scary, because at that point Bloodline was like fully in camp mode.

17:28 I feel, Oh, Hellraiser three, you know as the guy who shoots CDs at people. Oh that's right, I totally forgot. Yeah. So yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up, because that was one thing that really struck me is how similar but how different they were. And they had only come out, you know, a year apart from each other. So well, and Pinhead wasn't the only one to head to Space, and I'll talk all about that right after this.

18:10 So before I dive into that horror history of Space, I also want to mention Star Trek was not afraid to dip its toe in horror concepts. And I'm not going to talk about TOS. Although I love TOS, it was a more campy show. So even when they did things like The Man Trap or Mary or Kat's Paw Cat's Paul was really fun because it was basically just Star Trek Halloween Special. But they were fun and spooky but they weren't scary in a way that I would say, like as a kid watching it with like holy crap. But Star Trek next generation stuff like night Terrors where the crew is plagued by hallucinations and they can't sleep.

18:56 That one messed me up super bad because there was one where where I think it was Riker like lays down to go to sleep and then his like his door rings, just like the second exets his head down his door rings, and it's because he literally like they depicted as if he didn't experience any sleep whatsoever. And I thought that was really really cool and creepy. Yeah. Yeah, Schisms where like there's alien abduction and like body mutilation, and there's a ton of other ones like phantasms where data has like all the surreal dreams. Yeah, I remember that one, and I remember that one like really messing me up as a kid too. But where they really went nuts was DS nine and Voyager, because I mean there was an episode Deep Space nine called Whispers where there was body snatcher paranoia, like like people were being replaced. There was an episode called empoc Noor which was going to the sister space station of Deep Space nine, which was tarok Noor empoc Nor was the abandoned one that's identical except it's been abandoned and it was literally like a haunted space station with homicidal Cardassians.

20:06 It was like a slasher movie. Really great one. There was the uh oh my guess. There were some that were like War as Hell ones too, and I think it was Whispers. I can't remember. I Whispers was the one. There was one episode where they're on the Defiant, which is a smaller spacecraft, and they decode some communication that suggests there is a changeling on board, which the Changelings were the leaders of the Dominion, the Evil Empire, and it's just the thing. It just becomes the thing. They're trying to figure out who's not who they say. They are on this tiny ship in the middle of deep space where they're flying in enemy territory, so they have to be cloaked the whole time and stuff. It's really really fun. But then Voyager, which was the only Star Trek series I watched from start to finish as it aired.

20:54 Ooh, so it's. Extra special to me. But they had an episode called the Thaw, which had like a killer clown in it. There was one called Darkling where the doctor did personality experiments like because he was trying to you know, learn who he was, and it goes like really really dark. There's literally an episode called the Haunting of Deck twelve where it's a ghost story basically that Deck twelve everybody. Everybody just kind of knows Deck twelve is kind of spooky because you got to remember Voyager, they're lost in space and they're trying to make it home and if they fly at full speed, they'll be home in like ninety four years. Oh yeah, that's the concepts. They're trying to find shortcuts and tricks and stuff like that, and also they have to have enough energy, enough food. They have to they're all alone. Yeah, so it makes even more sense because unlike Star Trek Next Generation, where people lived on the ship, but they would go to Earth and they would do surely and they do these things, yea, they don't have that it's their home entirely. So I was like, of course, there's like you know about Deck twelve, like that's the creepy deck, like because they're like they've been on the ship for like four years non yeah, with like little breaks on friendly alien planets. But everywhere they go, they don't know if it's gonna be friendly because they have no they have no The Federation isn't known out there. They have no they have no outright allies. Yeah, so they did some really cool ones like that. They did one episode which I wish I could remember. There was one episode where there was a serial killer on board.

22:20 I can't remember the title of it off the top of my head. There was one episode where although that one's a little less horror and more about, you know the concept of like what do we do with this guy now that we captured him, Like we can't kill him, that's against our values, but like so we have to make him just live in this room forever. But there's an episode later on where I don't know how much later on, but it paid off awesome where these guys invade Voyager and he just gets loose and he lets go. And he had been through Vulcan mind technique. He was not Vulcan, but through Vulcan mind technique, he had been coming to peace with who he was and he just had to like let that go and start like horizing the ship full of guys and you had forgotten he was on the ship.

23:03 Yeah, yeah, and. So there were a lot of cool things like that. There was also one where they had a mirror universe thing where it turns out that the other universe Voyager had like been devoid of all of all concept of morality and they were like they had captured these space aliens that had energy centers as like what makes them be alive and literally drained them of their lives to make their ship go faster, oh for like hundreds of thousands of light years. So these ghost monsters are like after them, So then they start going after the Voyager crew on the other dimension as well. There's all kinds of crazy things in Voyager. God, yeah, there's all kinds of things in Enterprise. There was an episode called dead Stop where this like automated station was harvesting human bodies.

23:48 There's there's a lot of awesome start. I'm sorry, I'm a starterk nerd, So I went into that NonStop. No, I'm not even going to apologize. That's just that's just what you see is what you get with me. Pal on the genuine article, you know. Yeah, plains trains already, Yeah, yeah, you better believe it. So that was that was what that was what one of my early introductions to like horror and space was. But I remember renting Event Horizon because it was non stop being talked about everywhere, and watching that alone in my bedroom maybe alone in the living room scared the crap out of it. Yeah. Because I was allowed to rent kind of whatever, it was like not a big deal. By the time I was like nine, it was just like whatever is fine, but I had to The rule was like, you could rent whatever if you're gonna watch it by yourself, because like I would, you know, I'd be like, oh, I want to I want to see you know, I want to see Halloween h two. Oh, and my mom would be like, oh, that sounds cool, Jamie Lee Curtis is awesome.

24:43 She'd watch it with me. But if I was like, oh, man, I want to watch hell Raiser five, she'd be like, okay, Like have fun, I'm not watching you. Like, you know, like you're you're old enough that you you said you're like you're old enough to watch these scary things, so you don't need your mommy to watch them with you, you know, right, So if I admitted, like, but I'm too scared to watch myself, she'd be like maybe you should be watching a little less horror movies. And I'd be like, no thing, We're dead. You know, anything but that, anything. But that, this cruelty knows no end. So so yeah, like if it was the New Nightmare on Elm Street, Mom would be like, hell, yeah, let's watch you know, a new Wes Craven's a new Nightmare. I remember vividly when she came home to our apartment or to our townhouse.

25:26 I think we were in the townhouse at that point with a pizza and she got it from block and I was so excited and we sat on the floor and ate pizza and watched it from start to finish. And I still remember though, Mom being really into it, but a few times turning and be like this doesn't scare you, and I'd be like, no, I'm terrified. So anyway, like I yeah, So I remember renting this, watching it by myself, being very disturbed but loving it. And from then on, even though I saw it very young, so I didn't remember a ton of it like five years later, I mean, you remember how it made you feel. It. I always held it in high reverence as like a kind of like secret. I really liked it. Some people didn't that's their problem kind of thing.

26:10 Yeah. Yeah, so you were like the the the hipster kid, like I discovered it before. It was cool. Almost, but it was more it was sadder than that. It was more just like I know a lot of other people don't like that, but I really like it, so I don't care. Yeah, it were lost because I didn't know people liked it until I was almost eighteen years old. Is when I found out like that it had a cult following. I mean, but a lot of horror movie trends, like people loving Event Horizon people, you know what people hated when I was a teenager and now they have massive love for Texas Chainsaw Massacre two. It was considered like what the hell is this when I was a kid, really by like the average goer, but the big one that people still try to deny Halloween three. People were just like what the hell is Halloween three? And then like five or six years later it became it's great. I mean, like they discovered how good it was. But like Halloween three and Texas Chancela two were things that I loved very young and I couldn't believe other people didn't ye and then one day, I was like, Oh, everybody's with me. Now I'll take it.

27:16 I'll take it. So we're gonna take a quick break, and then I want you to talk about the first time. I'm assuming I showed you Event Horizon right after this, So this time we watched it last night on the new, brand new four K, which looked gorgeous. Not that the Blu ray was lacking to begin with, but that four K is just sick, is sick. But I assume, like I joked before the break, that I was the one who showed it to you in the first place, because I knew that wasn't your first time watching.

27:57 It obviously, Yeah, oh yeah. We've watched so many movies for the like for your first time, it can be a little hard for me to know. So do you have much of a memory of that first time I showed it to you? I think I do, because I think that was that was kind of the moment, the Eureka moment when you realized, like, just how rabid I can get for sci fi? Oh yeah? DEEPII I am well. And for those who don't know, the way I define deep sci fi is once you're talking about a usually there're books very few deep sci fi movies exist because deep sci fi like there aren't even humans.

28:40 Yeah, yeah, no, I I am like there are no humans. Yeah. Like the more theoretical you get, the more I'm into it. Yeah. So, if I remember correctly, you and I had like you'd been you'd been kind of introducing me to different horror movies, and we'd gotten to like the slasher movies, and it was about the point we've gotten through like, of course, the Halloween franchise, or at least most of it, because there's a lot. We'd gotten through a lot of Nightmare on Elm Street, we'd gotten through a lot of I think we'd started on Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and you were kind of wondering, like where to go next, And I had mentioned being interested in like hell Raiser, but I'd also mentioned, like, really, my broadest exposure to a lot of themes in horror would come from like old literature like Poe or like Lovecraft, and that kind of perked your interest. So you showed me in the Mouth of Madness.

29:55 Yeah, which in the Mouth of Madness because it stars Sam Neil and it is super duper scary and it's about like insanity and Dark Forces. They're a very good double feature. They are Event Horizon and In the Mouth of Madness. And that's that's what kind of got you onto it is after we watch after we finished In the Mouth of Madness, I was like, oh my god, that was so fucking fantastic. I like I would watch it all over again. And You're like, well, how do you feel about sci fi? What about like we what if we watch Event Horizon? I was like, I love sci fi. And then when when we got done with that, that was that was kind of like became your mission of like, Okay, all of the tent pole sci fi horror movies is what we're going to be watching next. So that was that was that sounds.

30:45 That sounds right to me. And and I want to mention real quick in case I accidentally teased too much. I got on a on another tirade and left out some of the other notable Space franchise shifts. The most famous one is Jason X in Space. Have I shown you that? Yes? I have the four K now it just came out. I love Jason X. I saw that in the theater four times. I think it's it is really is like Star Trek with Jason in it just enough. It is not enough to be sued, but just enough. There is a great part where it says, kn't you just like beam us out of here? And he goes, beam, what does beam mean? And I just thought that was so funny. It's so good that, you know, because she's from our time, so it's like, oh right, that was science fiction. The reality is like gonna be different, yeah than that. But also Leprechaun Leprechawn four is in space. Oh really, I believe it's four, not three. But Critters four is in space as well, which is funny because they come from space, so they end up in space. It adds up. So those are the most famous examples of big budget are well loved. Sometimes big budget franchise is going the way of space, and that became a running joke because of these these franchises that were less well loved, because like the Redheaded Stepchild of horror franchises were Hell Raiser, which I think only the first three went to theaters, or it might have only been the first two. I think

32:15 it was the first three. H Then you know, you had Children in the Corn, which I think only the first two went to theaters. You had Gremlins or not Gremlins, Critters, which again I think only the first two went into theaters, like a lot of those went straight to video eventually, and and Leprechaun, which only the first two I believe went to theaters at least massively wide. So it became kind of a joke like, oh, the lesser franchises, these ones that ended up going direct to video, they all end up in Space and by all three, which is still quite a few. So then when Jason went to Space, everybody's like, oh my god, that would become the parody idea of jumping the Shark was going to space, and Jason's like, We're going to Space. We're doing it.

32:55 I'll never forget. When that trailer dropped for them with Jason and Space for Jason X and for again, people were like this is so lame, and then like let the bodies hit the floor started like blaring while all the crazy stuff was happening, and I was like, need, need, Because it got shelved for several years. Really, oh, we sat waiting for forever. I actually I actually saw it off a bootleg before because it had leaked like a year or two before it came out, so I watched it on a VCD. Anyway, manimal, my back hurts. I'm thirty nine years young now, baby, but no, but yeah, So anyway, that was just a quick I wanted to mention that stuff because I had teased I was going to mention like my knowledge of all this in spaces, and but then it became, like a lot of things, it went from being like a cringe like ug to a hope. So I remember like the whole era where people were like, God, when is Freddy gonna go to space? Like, come on, we're waiting. It's been so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And sometimes I missed that, that that simplistic existence, you know, when they're like, oh god, what is the next you know, what is the next Saw movie going to be? I'm like, just go to space already, shut up us.

34:13 Jigsaw in space? That would be so sick. It would be hard, though, because I don't think you've seen all the Saw movies. I haven't seen any. Actually, oh well, that's why that's why I thought it was so funny, is because I don't. Know the Jigsaw himself is like a corporeal human being, So getting the concepts into space would require a lot of thought and efforts. Yeah, he's not like immortal or something. That's that's the best I can do without being a big fat spoiler. Because we got to watch the Saw movies. Maybe we'll make that our October goal is to watch like all the Saws. Okay, but you know who needs to be in space and it makes perfect sense in every way. Who? I'll tell you right after this. All right, so now we'll talk. Okay, Now, I'm not going to leave you on that hand. I'm not going to not say no, the perfect thing to go to space is Final Destination.

35:16 Oh yeah, No, you're absolutely a million percent correct. That's why I was so confident when I when I started saying it, is like yeah, because because like that's perfect. It's because what can go wrong in space everything, which is a perfect segue into where we're headed. So Event Horizon is a is basically about a ship called the event Horizon, which uses an event horizon to travel faster than light. And it's disappeared. The ship disappeared, and now we're hanging out with a doctor played by Sam Neil whose name is Weir. And the reason I were remember that is because I was like, oh yeah, like the guy who wrote The Martian. His last name is I think he's Yeah. Yeah, so doctor Weir, who built the Event Horizon. We're following him as he gets on board a ship called the Lewis and Clark, and we're in some future era I'm not sure exactly. Yep, I found it right when you Yeah, we're in twenty forty seven.

36:21 And these are astronauts that seem to be like almost like maybe I might be using the term wrong, but like merchant Marines, they are not they're not military, like they don't fight, but they know how to fight. Yeah, but they're mostly about taking ships from point A to point B and point A to point B and doing all kinds of space yeah. Well, and just transportation is just dangerous in space. Everything is dangerous in space? Are you kidding? I mean, I'm always kidding, but you're also right. So, and they're going to go out because apparently it's super classified in top secret, but they figured out where the Event Horizon is and it's just outside of Tune, yeah, which is pretty far away, so far in fact that the captain Captain Miller played by Lawrence Laurence Fishburne points out when Sam Neil's character is trying to be kind of he's trying to not be lackadaisical. He's trying to just be a little less than serious. Like he's trying to be casual is a good word, you know, by saying like, well you have to say it's like, sir, please understand with no disrespect. The last time a was it the last time a rescue mission was sent this far from the nearest outpost, all both ships were lost, So could you just tell us what we're doing? Yeah? Yeah, I love that moment though, because it's like that's that momentere you're like, yeah, what they do is already really dangerous, and now they're doing something insanely dangerous that they're not even allowed to know much about why they're doing it.

37:48 It's kind of a big deal. It's rough, it's a big deal. And as far as the ship goes, I believe the crew. We have Kathleen Quinlan as Peters. She's a medical technician, Jolie Richard we mentioned, who's a Lieutenant mL Stark, she's a communications officer, Richard T. Jones, who's TF Coodfer. He's the rescue technician of Lewis and Clark Jack Knows Where who plays ensign FM Justin he's the chief engineer. Jason Isaac who is DJ. He's the medical doctor, although he refers to himself simply as trauma because you know that's what he is. And Sean Pertwee plays w F. Smitty Smith just known as Smitty most of the time, and he's the pilot of the Lewis and Clark. All of these characters are really interesting. They all have they all have something to notice that's worth noticing. Like it's a really good cast, really well cast team.

38:46 Yeah, and there it's you know, it's the mid nineties, so you're you're kind of primed and ready for the characters to all be like you know, similar to hal Razor bloodline, to be kind of like campy or something. But overall, they're all very believable and very well fleshed out, which is incredibly important to the plot and to the scares. Well and to the tension of just the idea of like you want to see these people make at home. Yeah, because they're real people to you. So like doctor Peters just the relationship that the movie kind of shows with is it her son or daughter son that you know, really pulls at your heart strings. And then you know Captain Miller Lawrence fish Burn's character, what he's gone through as as we learn more about his character, because at first, at first you're just kind of like, wow, he's just like the gruff space captain, the no nonsense kind of guy.

40:04 And then as the movie progresses, you start to realize like, no, he's actually he's fighting demons and there's reasons in his past for why he is the way. He is, and he's very intense. He's very obviously demanding because he's a captain of a ship mm hmm. But everything he says, every demand he makes, is very clearly in the interest of his crew. Yeah, it's very clear that while they're close, the crew and the mission are not tied. Yeah. The crew is first, the mission is a very very close second. Yeah, So which makes sense too. I mean, if you're flying a spaceship deep into space all the time, your crew becomes everything to you. It's just like any other like uh, you know, like military thing where you have a team mm hmm. You become everything to each other.

40:58 You are you know, that's what Stars is all about. You know, when when a season of start or a series of Star trek ends. The big thing is like, oh yeah, everybody like loves each other because they've been around each other so much. Yeah, so and when but especially in things like military stuff, I mean, you literally live and die by your team, so it's super important. It's super important, and he expresses it so believably. M hmm. That's That's what I really love about this is. You know, we were talking last night as we as we were watching the movie, where we were talking about how, like a so much of this movie, especially for like the first act, is really all about the performance between all of the all of the actors, because if any one of them would have been phoning it in or would have made it feel like hacky or campy, then the whole thing would have fallen apart for the rest of the movie. But all of them were very believable in their roles. And that's also what I really liked is the the difference in approach and mindset between doctor Weir and all of the rest of the crew, because the rest of the crew like is very much from the moment they get out of like hyperspace or whatever, not hyperspace, but you know, but.

42:23 They're traveling in there in stasis sleep for like fifty six days, I think it will. Yeah, So the moment they're out of space stasis, they're all like immediately locked in and you know, ready for danger. And doctor Weir meanwhile like this is just fun and games to. Him, Well, well it isn't. It isn't. And that's kind of the interesting dichotomy of doctor Weir. And we'll talk about that more right after this. When it comes to doctor Weir, he has the bizarre element which makes the audience think, like what's with him? Of the fact that he is like a little playful, a little theatrical, I think would be a good word for it, Like he wants to tell a story. He wants to he wants to oddly connect on a human in a human way, even though they're going into like seriously dangerous mission. But yet like when he goes into Stacy's sleep, he has like horrific nightmares. He wakes up from stasis like screaming, yeah.

43:32 And they're in like a water tank basically that that keeps you, you know, asleep while you while the ship travels for fifty six days or whatever amount of time is necessary. That way, the crew doesn't require much oxygen, basically any food or any water to some extent or much much less, which allows the makes it, you know, possible to travel to travel so far. So it is fascinating to me that they show him having these like truly mortifying nightmares that are you know, I mean, they're just so terrifying in an upsetting Yeah, they do that, and then he's the one who wants to like flourishly, flourishingly tell them like, here's why we're doing this, here's why the ship does this and this, and they're yeah, their attitude is just like, look, we could die out here doing this. Could you just tell us what we're doing so we can get back to work. Yeah, And then there's that one part I love when Laurence Fishburne's character is the one of the uh, the female crew members.

44:32 I forget which one off the top of my head, but I think it was the one with the sun. But she notices him, like he falls out, like screaming and stuff. So she grabs onto him and like tells him like you're okay, You're okay, it's fine. You know. She's trying to calm him down, and she's like, let's get him some coffee. Let's you know whatever, and she said while she's helping him, Laurence Fishburne comes in there and he's like and he tells her like, I need you to get to the bridge. And she's like, well, do you mind if I put on some clothes first, because she's they're all wearing like the women are in like sports bras, and the guy or in like you know, like tidy whities basically, and she's like, do you mind if I get dress words He's like, I do mind? Actually to the bridge now, and I was like, fucking e, Like yeah, because they're not playing around. They're in space, yeah, you know, and and they their survival recounts relies on not only their equipment being right, but they're people being right.

45:20 So I love that moment of like the fact I do mind. It's like, that's the kind of ship you're on. You'll end up in the bridge in your skivvies if you're wasting too much time. Yeah, don't don't waste time. Well, and that's the thing when you're on a when you're I mean, not that I know personally, I've never served anything other than like some ice cream to friends, but like, but when you're on a ship like that, I mean you are, there's no your off time is designated. Yeah. Yeah, but generally speaking, unless you're on shore leave or whatever, you are working. Like that's why. That's why when you do like oil rig work, that's why you make so much money. Is like you live to do that job every day of the week except for a designated day off.

46:05 So like you should expect to wake up, eat breakfast, do that job all day long, and have maybe an hour before you can't keep your eyes open anymore, and then back to it. That's why you make good money. Yeah, And that's why, and that's why the turnover is so high. So yeah, I just love that. And I've always heard that Supposedly the first cut of Event Horizon was like one hundred and thirty minutes and the studio chopped the hell out of it because the version that everyone knows is ninety five minutes long. Yeah, well, you and I You and I had actually like commented on that several times last night. House felt the movie is how it moves along at a great clip, but it never feels rushed. It just it just kind of feels like this is the movie we're telling the whole story and then the end. But I have heard that there's a much longer, much goorier version, and I kind of wonder, like I wonder if it would be magnified or diluted because of the longer run time.

47:12 Yeah, that's and that's always the question though. That's always the question with director's cuts, extended cuts, unrated cuts, is like does it actually make the movie work less because you know it this way? Yeah, and sometimes it does hurt them. And I will say because one thing that stuck out, stuck out to me, having not seen the movie for a year or two, was Yeah, like we are right in and the crew is sitting there talking and being explained to what event horizon is like within ten minutes, you really learn so much about the crew in such a short amount of time before they are outside of Neptune getting ready to discover unspeakable horrors beyond all human recognitions. Yeah, yeah, no wasted movement. And there's one thing that I noticed the second watch through, because you know, the first time, I was a new new baby to horror, so I really hadn't like learned the medium. I hadn't learned, you know, kind of the pacing that it generally follows.

48:15 But one thing that I noticed this second go around is it utilizes jump scares a lot, but it manages to keep them fresh throughout the whole movie. Definitely, so you never, you know, I mean, every single time there is a jump scare, and again there's a lot, you feel like it's still adding something to the plot. It doesn't just feel like they're doing it just because they're being lazy, which I feel some horror kind of gets into that area. Mm. Yeah, I mean it could for sure.

48:56 So that's that's one thing that I like is, you know, it's starts with the jump scares with Doctor Weir's like visions when he is in the you know, kind of stasis, and every single time there's a jump scare, it reveals something about the characters or reveals something about the event horizon itself, And that's kind of pretty cool way to go about it. Yeah, I would have to agree very much. And the characters really, I mean I've said it before and I'll say it again, they really are what kind of make it all saying. So yeah, no, I absolutely agree, and it is it is getting to learn them through their fears is a very interesting way that the movie stays fresh because not only are we learning about the characters, you know, as they're exploring the Event Horizon and as they're kind of learning what's going on, but we're also learning a lot about them just how they interact with and how they cope with with the unmitigated terror that they're facing.

50:05 Yeah, and as we start to talk about when they arrive and see the Event Horizon and begin their plans to go in and see if anyone's alive and find out what happened to it. That is where as I've always loved to say some kind of shit hits some kind or the shit hits some kind of fan And we'll get to that right after this. So the crew of the Lewis and Clark has found the Event Horizon just out by Neptune and things are getting a little hairy.

50:49 So they've just found the ship, and first doctor Weir has to explain like what makes it so special, which is very nice because he's the one that invented it and designed it. Which is how we find that out, because then they're like, they're like, so you know, I forget they say they asked some question about it. He says, I built it. Yeah, like I built it. It wasn't something like how do you know all this? Because of course he would know all this because he's the briefed person on the mission. But they I forget exactly what they said. They asked a question, he said, I built it. Yeah. Yeah, Well I think it was kind of like why, like what do you want to do with it? Because that's the thing is it does The movie does set up that the Event Horizon seven years ago, when the ship disappeared, that was literally the worst disaster in space ever, and so nobody knew about well they didn't know what happened to it. They just knew that it was a huge disaster, right, I thought that's what the text at the beginning said.

51:46 They didn't know what the Event Horizon was. Okay, maybe I'm misremembered. Well no, it's what I'm saying is it was top secret, right, Like, no, no, it was one of the biggest disasters, but nobody knew about it. Like the crew didn't know about it, Okay, on Horizon. I mean they may have heard like a whisper of like a ship disappeared or whatever, but like they didn't know what the event Horizon was because that was totally a secret m because they were experimenting with technology that you know. No one, no one even thought possible. Well, and I'm sure that there there are probably people they don't want to know about it. I would just I would just assume. So, yeah, no, that's the thing is like it was one of the worst things ever happened. It was also generally a secret mm hmm. And that's why he has to explain it. And it's kind of fun because, uh, you know, oftentimes as scientists does.

52:33 He he starts trying to explain it and he's using all of these big technical jargon terms and everyone's like, we don't even understand that. And one of the guys was like, do you even speak English? And he's like, okay, So he explains. You know, Layman's terms. Layman's terms speak English. Yeah, it's such a great line. And so he explains, like the way the ship functions is instead of going faster than light, it creates a gateway and it bends space time around the gateway, travels through the gate, and then once it exits the gate, space time goes back to normal, which, of course is just as excusing as or just as a confusing as the technical science jumbo mumbo jumbo. But as they're as they're getting ready to get onto the ship, they find a recording that is absolutely horrendous and it's just got you know, wailing and screaming, and they can hear what sounds like a voice, and it sounds like it's possibly speaking Latin mm hm like it, and it sounds like it says liberate me, which which translates to save me.

53:50 So that kind of spurs them on because what they understand their mission is is they need to find the event horizon, which they just did, and then they need to figure out what happened to it and where it went. And they possible anybody survived. Yeah, and rescue any survivors, which again it's been seven years, so that's a tall order, but that's that's what they need to do. So getting a recording, no matter how terrifying it is, that says save me is a reason for them to kind of really stoke the fire and get the rescue going. So I believe that it's mostly doctor Weir has to stay on their ship for a while and it's the rest of the crew.

54:36 He's not experienced anything going into potentially hazardous environments and stuff like that. So he's watching the video coming from their the spacesuits. Of the two of the I think it was just one person goes in first. No, No, there were multiple No, there was multiples because they all split up, which of course is you know, stereotypical haunted house horror trope. Let's go into the haunted house. Now, let's all split up. Can go wrong. There's another reason other than the message that they're going on the ship. They're getting a life signal, but it's not specific. Oh that's right. They keep getting life readings and it's just like scattered. The entire ship is like scat has like minor, like mild readings. So they're like, well, we can't pinpoint where it is, but there's life on the ship.

55:19 Mm. So that's the other reason. They're like, we can't not get on board. Yeah at all. We kind of have to because again that's one of their orders is to search for survivors. So when they when they finally get on the ship, one of the first things that you know that I noticed the first time, but I've really noticed it again watching it after having watched Fire in the Sky last week is how dirty and grimy the spaceships are, which is such amazing storytelling, just a way of signifying like, not only has time I have not only as time passed, but enough time is passed that things have started to you know, decay and trash is everywhere.

56:10 And the design is generally. Gothic Yeah, yeah, which is again a very very beautiful touch and a really cool way of paying homage to the kind of Lovecraftian ideas that get played with in this movie. Well, and I mean for many, for all intents and purposes, it is a haunted house movie. I mean down to the fact that Jupiter has a constant as a gas giant has like constant storms. Yeah. And when they get on the event horizon, there's literally lightning going off outside the windows. Yeah, which is so great.

56:50 Oh it's perfect. It's so breakin' perfect, because at no point. Are you like really lightning in space. You're just like, oh, it's so it's so spooky and like you you and I even joked about it. I was like, yeah, but Nebula like are basically just big giant storms in space, and like there's lots of weird systems that you could travel through that it would it would be like a big lightning storm or a big thunderstorm. Well on the planet below them, there's literally what appears to be a gigantic hurricane just zooming around the planet non stop, which. Again gas giant like and that's that Again. That's one of the reasons that I love the merger of horror and sci fi is you don't even have to lie all that much to make space utterly terrifying. Yeah, all you have to do is tell the truth of Like, yeah, and there's a giant hurricane on the surface of Jupiter that's been going on for like four billion years. That's not okay.

57:57 That's fun. Good to know. Oh, so we've built up the atmosphere a bit as far as the ship goes, but we haven't really gone into everything they see. You mentioned that it is dirty, but of course there's no gravity in the ship. And just in case you've literally never seen event Horizon, there is gravity on the ship they were coming up in. So they have some form of artificial gravity that they use on their ships just in case. You know, if you've never seen it, you might think they're floating around all the time. But when they get on this ship. They have magnetic boots so that they can walk around and see, you know, what's going on here and all the flotsam and jetsam that's moving around. But one of the first flotsams or jetsams is something you really hope you wouldn't find, and we'll tell you all about it right after this. As there walking along, one of the astronauts gets hit in the helmet by a severed arm. Oh yeah, the arm and everything everything is frozen because it's the temperature of space, so the arm is frozen. And then they discover a corpse that's frozen. And while all this is going on, one of the younger members of the team whose name I forget, the one that they call baby Bear, baby Bear,

59:27 baby Bear, he goes down through engineering, and of course doctor Weir is standing around telling them where to go, because he knows the ship in every way. You know, he could say like, and the you're gonna go through this corridor mega left, that's ops besides this, and that's engineering. And when they're going through the engineering area, there's a hallway through it that literally looks like they describe it as it looks like a meat grinder. It's just this this insane spinning metal hell. It's it's very much like in the Haunted Houses, those long spinning tunnels. Oh yeah, that we went through. Yeah you you were like absolutely delighted when when they showed that tunnel. But it is very similar, and it's it's just as effective because it's so disorienting, especially as they're floating.

1:00:19 Oh yeah, or you know, kind of floating kind of walking because they've got the magnetic boots. But yeah, So so Justin starts going down that long hallway and he's being guided, he's being guided verbally by weird and then something kind of happens that like there's a big shock wave, isn't there or and then the cameras go out, so they can't really see each other, they can't see what's going on, and that kind of that, isn't that when the guy gets sucked. In, Well, he walks up to it.

1:01:02 Oh, he walks up to the. Event horizon and it's just it looks, honestly like the stargate and stargate it's just like this portal and the middle of it looks almost like it's liquid. And he had pointed out that there was liquid floating all over engineering, which appeared to be coolant that had leaked. I forgot. He did mention that it was the cool one. Yeah, there's cool and everywhere because when he goes to like check the stations and stuff, he's wiping it off of everything. And as he walks up to the event horizon, the literal event horizon, it's just a it looks like just a gateway, and he decides to like peek in to see what the hell it is, and he gets pulled through and he's on a tether and the tether starts pulling like crazy, which tells one of the shipmates that he's got to get suited and go in there and get him. Yeah, and this is really the beginning of the of like all literal, figurative speculative hell breaking loose because he goes in there and we see these crazy, kind of almost MTV music video style flashes of like insane violence, a world that looks like it's nothing but pillars of human bodies writhing and suffering. Yeah, it is a hell of a thing to see.

1:02:26 Yeah, and it does it kind of blends, well, it's not blending because it's the same thing, but it's very clive Barker and just old Christian imagery of hell. It's all very similar to it. But there's a lot of sci fi in it too, because there's you know, again with the jump scares and with the just flashes, there will be a few frames where it's like, oh, there's just like space, and then there's the writing human body parts, and then there's you know, more like dismembered bodies, and then there's like a black hole, and so you can never you can never know exactly what kind of visions of terror you're gonna see. It doesn't ever get stale because you're constantly getting like these back and forth.

1:03:19 Well, and because as they rescue baby Bear from that portal and after they leave with him to get him into medical to see what's up with him, it closes. And as the crew gets on board the event Horizon itself the ship to kind of figure out what's going on, a few other things happen. They're worth noting discovering a frozen corpse, you know, in the bridge they do turn the gravity on, yeah, which causes one of the most shocking scenes where the body parts, like when they fall, they just shatter because they were frozen completely solid. Lots of really nuts moments. But when Weir as talking to them and he says, like I pulled him out of there.

1:04:07 It was open, He's like he can't have been open. It can only be open if it's activated, and it hasn't been activated in seven years, Like it can't be open. And he's like it was open. And it's a great moment where which sells Fishburne's character really well too, because he says like, but it can't be open. He's like, I saw that it was fucking open, and Fishburn's like, you're out of line, and then he turns to Weird He's like, I believe him, like like it's you know, He's like, you're out of line. And that's a big thing he's constantly saying too, is He's like he'll he'll constantly knock you down. It's like you need to calm him down right now. You are right like we're all gonna die, but you are calm and cool right now. Yeah. So and I And that's a really great moment too, where he's just like I believe him because because when they say, like, what do you think it could be?

1:04:52 And doctor Weir is just like he's hallucinated it or you know, he's he's delusional or whatever. It's like no, yeah, but he's right though, that like that that shouldn't be open. I mean it shouldn't and when they walk in there, it just is, it doesn't open up. Yeah, the first time we see the event horizon, the first time we see it is open. It's just sitting there quietly open. And because then we find out after this that in reality, the event horizon, it's so confusing because that is literally what the thing is and what the ship is, that it is actually being contained in this like metal sphere with these these pieces of metal that like swoop around it constantly to keep it contained. Yeah, so that's actually its its normal state when it's not active. Is it's supposed to sit there and kind of gros. Yeah, they look like gyroscopes. You're absolutely right.

1:05:43 Yeah. So so now we're starting to notice a lot of weird things. But then on top of that, the medical assistant, she is in the sick bay trying to take care of baby Bear, and she gets images of her son, but he's been horribly mutilated and when she looks back, he's gone. And not only is that, of course very upsetting, but when she starts expressing it to the other crew people, one of my favorite things about this movie is they all believe each other. Yeah. Nobody's like, oh, you're like, what are you? You don't sleep enough last night? Like oh, like like tough enough. No, they're They're all like, no, I'm hearing things too, yeah, like I'm noticing things. And one of the guys, the uh, the bald headed guy, I can't remember his name, the he was one of the guy who the guy who first noticed it was Latin but didn't know loud very well.

1:06:32 Is that TJ? That might have been TJ. Excuse me, DJ, that's the medical doctor. No, yeah, Peoper Cooper. Okay Cooper yeh yeah, yeah, okay Cooper. He uh, I could just double No, that's not him. No, no, uh no, it was it was DJ. It was DJ. Uh No, it was it was uh Smitty. Smitty Smitty is the one who first, I mean, no, the doctor translates the this stuff. They're both British guys. One's bald and one's not. Like they kind of like them both. Yeah, they're both being British is what threw me. But no, so Smitty Smitty is one of the first people to literally just go, just go. I'll tell you what's going on. This ship is fucked well, I've known it from the moment I've been on it. Yeah, and the doctor who just said his name is a DJ grabs him. But as he grabs him, he puts a freaking scalpel to his throat. But what he as he's holding there with the scalpel, he literally just says, it's just a giant piece of metal, nothing else, a giant piece of metal. And then everybody's like, dude, what are you doing? And he like, let's go. I'm sorry, I don't I don't know. He doesn't know why he did it, and he's generally the most reasonable group, and that's early on that he suddenly does something incredibly out of character and unreasonable that shocks everybody.

1:07:58 Mm hmm. So and I love that dichotomy of like, it's just a big piece of metal, because the other guy's basically saying, like this place has bad vibes, bad juju. Yeah, and boy was he right. And we'll talk about how right he was a little bit more after this. All Right, So after that bit of a showdown, what's going on, what's going on is they've had the whole entire crew has had to relocate onto this ship, the Event Horizon because when there was that shock wave and they had to rescue Baby Bear justin that compromised the whole of their ship to Lewis and Clark, So Smith and Cooper have to go out and repair it, and everyone's kind of working overtime, working double to kind of get the ship ready.

1:09:05 Well, there's a big reason for that, which is that the oxygen scrubber or the what was it, the carbon dioxide scrubbers on the Event Horizon don't work, yeah, which basically means you have no air to breathe. So they take the scrubbers from the Lewis and Clark and bring it on there, but it only gives them about twenty hours of breathable air. Yeah, before then they're going to run out of air there as well. So the kind of the plan that they have is they're gonna basically abandon the mission of trying to find any survivors. And the confrontations between We're and Captain Miller are great because, well, for two reasons.

1:09:53 First off, we really start to see that as much as We're wants to to try and you know, save any crew that's left. It's very clear that his whole goal is strictly to get the ship back actually saving any remaining crew members. If any crew members are remaining, that is just the carrot that he's dangling in front of everyone else. He really doesn't seem to actually care, especially I noticed that the more he has hallucinations about his wife, the less he seems to care about anything other than trying to get the Event Horizon operational again.

1:10:37 Whereas we're starting to notice more and more how much Captain Miller is pushing his crew beyond their breaking point strictly to save their lives. And he doesn't, you know, there's no time for a break, there's no time to do anything. He's just pushing everybody as hard as they can. And that's when I pretty certain that's when we see the first like tormented vision for him, and we start seeing and understanding his backstory of why he is so overprotective of his crew is because he had lost a crew member before to a horrible fire in space. And Fishburne just gives this absolutely chilling performance as he describes this, this catastrophe that happened and on The one line is that really stuck with me is you know, have you ever seen a fire in space? It's beautiful. It's like water, it's like liquid. It just rolls over, it just rolls over everything. And then we see his crewmate from before being engulfed in this living flame and like flames engulfing the whole ship around him, and we understand suddenly, like this isn't him being a hard ass just because that's who he is. He's being a hard ass because he wasn't before and it cost him dearly.

1:12:09 Well we don't know that it was because he was being incompetent. That's not really fair. I mean, wait, we don't know. But he just says that from that moment on, I never would leave him. May by him because they said what because the crew member he was telling you, who said what did you do? It was he was talking to DJ. That's right. They said what did you do when that happened? And he said, I did the only thing I could do. We got out of there. There was nothing to do for him. But that's when I said I would never I would never leave another crew person. I would never lose anybody ever again. But my favorite part of that scene is when DJ says we've served together for like I think he's ad twelve years or something. He was like, and you never told me that, And then he turns up and says, that's the thing I've never told anyone that.

1:12:50 How does the ship know? Yeah, And I. Love that moment. That's such a great moment and well, and. It is a great moment because before for that, we were we were kind of thinking like, Okay, these visions are just like whatever is scariest, and then that's when we start to realize like, no, these visions are individually tailored to what is scariest for each individual, and the ship knows. The ship is consciously aware of it, and it seems like the ship is purposely trying to trap them in any way that it can, which makes it even scarier because it's one thing to have a kind of malevolent but a malevolent force that isn't personal, but once it becomes personal, like, that's where human fear really is.

1:13:49 So that was that was the moment where you really start to see Miller's terror start to take like take hold, and that opens the door for everyone else because that's when we start to see doctor Peters and we start to see the visions that she's having of her son being tortured and mutilated. And again, like we're start seeing more and more visions of his wife. And at first it's just his wife and she's her eyes have been plucked out, and she just kind of says, like, you know, join us forever. But then we start to see visions of her committing suicide, and we start to realize like there's a lot more to Weir's terror than just being pure fear. It's also fear and grief, which is very very and guilt very very powerful. So that's so they're trying to evacuate.

1:14:54 Well, they're trying to get ready to evacuate by stabilizing Baby Bear. And and while the ship is being repaired, because this guy doing a space walk right now, you know, repairing the show. Yeah, and while all this is going on, don't forget that the captain said said, nobody's allowed to be an engineering anymore. Nobody's allowed to be anywhere near the event horizon itself. Yeah, and Weird is acting strange, and he's sneaking around a lot hearing things, but unlike nearly everybody else, the things that are haunting him. He strides toward them and that goes probably the way you would expect it to, and we'll get into that more after this. So the biggest issue on the event horizon that is pression to the crew, you know, if we don't count like being cursed, haunted, et cetera is Baby Bear, which what was his real name? His uh, Justin Justin thank you. It's so weird. His last name is Justin too.

1:16:17 I think Justin is his last name. No, it is. I'm looking and Justin. So yeah, he uh, he is the main prescient issue. He was hurt, but he's doing okay now. M hm, he's like stabilized, yeah. And and he's just shaken really badly. But then he takes a turn. So as as they're trying to repair the Lewis and Clark, Justin wakes up and starts kind of like he's not making sense and he is quite agitated. And this bite the fact that the engineering in on the event horizon, on the ship is supposed to be locked down. He starts rambling about what he's seen. He starts rambling about what's past the gate, that there's no getting away from it, and he kind of wrestles his way past everyone and gets himself into an airlock and activates it to open. Now, the thing about the airlocks is they do have a safety feature, so it takes like I think it was like a ten minute timer or something before you know, the outside gate opens, so that gives them a little bit of time to try and save him, but not

1:17:48 a lot. What happens is he's between the airlocks. That's what it is. So, because what makes an airlock and airlock for those listening I know, you know all about nerdspace stuff, is that there are two doors so that you decompress the ship exactly. So what he's done is he's went into the airlock and closed the door and now he has to press the other button if he wants to open the airlock the door to space right, and then it'll be thirty seconds to decompress before it opens up. So, for whatever reason, because the ship has been all beaten up, and because he may have sabotaged I can't remember for sure, I think he did. He did. They can't open the airlock from the outside, Yeah, they can't control it at all.

1:18:29 So he's standing there as they're begging him to like just open the door again and come back to us, and he's like possessed. His eyes are dark, and he says one of my favorite like little there's so many little lines in event Horizon that like stick with you, that are creepy, but he says, like if you'd seen what I saw, you wouldn't stop me, Yeah, which makes. It so like deeply uh spine shilling. And what makes it even worse is so they're all they're all panicking. You know, there's several crew members on the inside of the ship like trying to coax him to come back in, and they've alerted the captain Miller of the situation, so he's trying to mount a rescue mission from the outside of the ship. So he's trying to position himself so that when the outside airlock opens, he'll be able to kind of like save Justin. So he's like trying to talk to Justin through the intercom, trying to calm him down, and you know, Justin's possessed, his eyes or all dark.

1:19:31 He's talking about what he's seen, and then there's this brief moment where he blinks and suddenly he's there again. It's not a brief moment he's there again, like and he is the whole time he's suffering. He just asks, why am I here? What am I doing here? Can you like save me? Help me? Let me inside? And they're trying to explain from the inside, like we can't let you inside. It's like locked down now because you're in that thirty second market. You have to open the door. And he doesn't seem to understand. He doesn't understand. So the outside door opens and the captain is like trying trying to talk to him, explain to him like okay, excel, excel everything out of your lungs.

1:20:14 You want to curl into a ball, You want to close your eyes, you want to you know, clench up. And so he manages to like jump through space and and catch him so that he's not like free free floating out through space and gets him back into the ship. And so they put justin into stasis to try and like stabilize him and calm him down. Well, he's asleep in stasis, so he'll be very calm. It's very easy to be called he's not conscious. Well, and yeah, basically they point out the decompression. It it it, it hits your eyes and it hits your lungs first, so that's what they were trying to Pary tells him to close his eyes, type, but they're like shooting blood. Yeah, his eyes are gushing blood as he screaming, his veins are all popping. It's it's it's really horrific. But it's a really wild scene because he literally floats just outside the airlock like two feet before Fishburn knocks him back in.

1:21:13 So you see like a bare human just starting to just go into space. But I also like the idea that there is a way you could put I mean, in the movie's logic, a way you could potentially survive that possibly, you know, very similar to like surviving you know, jumping out of a plane without a parachute. It's like there are things you can do that might make you treatable to survive. Like there's no one hundred percent, but you can mitig it's you can mitigate. So when he bumped, when he grabs him again and pushes him back in the ideas, he's trying to get him to be damaged as little as possible from decompression.

1:21:53 So and when they grab him, I mean, he's he's in pain, he's screaming, he's bleeding, and they just start injecting with that stuff. It's a fair very powerful scene that really grabs you. But now, as I had said before, his well being was prescient, now his well being is massively prescient because he needs like serious in depth medical treatment and they need to get to a to a I would assume some kind of a space station, a star base, something something like that. Now they can get help. Yeah. Outposts is probably the word that I think is the word they used early on. They said they were like three thousand clicks from the nearest outposts. It's gonna take a while to get there. Yeah. And this is also the scene that we were talking about when when Miller and DJ were discussing their hallucinations, they they start discussing even more like what's been going on?

1:22:47 What happened with justin right now? Because clearly something deeper is going on. And that's when that's when he admits that he discovered that the phrase he thought he heard, the save me phrase, that was not the whole thing. Yeah, And there was a tiny little thing earlier where they were looking at the ship's logs. I just want to mention where when they were all happy and celebrating the journey. The pilot or the captain speaks a little Latin to celebrate it, which I thought was a great nod. Yeah, why Latin is in these other recordings? Uh? So we realize that the entire phrase was supposed to be liber tae to tournament X in furnace, which is translated to save yourself from hell. And it's also I believe that's when they also find like the recording of the crew, isn't it, Yeah.

1:23:53 Where they basically are. They've all gone mad killing each other. But the one weird thing about that is they've all gone stark raving mad, like killing each other, ripping each other apart. But they didn't find everybody's bodies. Yeah, they only found like one body in a couple of parts. Because things are on the Event Horizon, things are always more than they seem a lot more after this, So we're back and now we officially know horrors beyond human recognition are what killed what killed the crew of the Event Horizon likely hopefully they're dead, yes, correct, correct, And now Weird is wandering the ship. I think at this point he finally goes down to the Event Horizon himself after being told not to leaves. So it's around this point.

1:25:01 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's around this point. And it's because that's the point when he gouges out his own eyes. Well he does that in front of it. Yeah, yeah, because he has that that horrifying memory vision hallucination thing of his wife committing suicide, and we start to realize that, in a weird way, this ship is the last remaining connection he has to his wife because he feels like he drove her to suicide by ignoring her to create the ship. Yeah, so, I don't know, I I got. I got kind of the vibe at this point that, even if it was never expressly expressly said, he was trying to find a way to find his wife, possibly by like, oh, let's go to another dimension where she never died, or let's let's try to, you know, go back in time to before she died, because there seems to be a lot of him like trying to in any way claw his way back to her.

1:26:11 See, I'm gonna have to disagree with you because I think you're being too kind and I think you're being too positive. Okay, I think weird is looking for the torment he deserves. Hmm okay, yeah, okay. I think that's why he had such a massive shift once he experienced the ship speaking to him. I think that because before that he is while he's haunted by nightmares, and he's a little kind of perpect perplexingly jovial and all of that. I think that, in my opinion personally, is that I think that his obsession early on was just to rescue his life's work, Okay, like to make his life's work better, yeah, or not better to save it?

1:27:01 Do you have to riskue this ship that meant everything to him? And I think that's why you had these horrible nightmares about his wife. Extra was probably because of the guilty feels from the fact that he let everything in his life fall to the wayside except for the Event Horizon and the Event Horizon disappearing because the way they describe in the opening crawl is it appeared in Neptune. Yeah, like it appeared, it wasn't there, and then it was, and then a distress signal made people aware that the Event Horizon even existed anymore, because there are a million theories, so it was somewhere for seven years. I think that when he got on the ship and started seeing the visions, or even before he got on the ship, when it started speaking to him. I think that he realized, I have created a gateway to Hell. What better thing for me to do? Because I belong in Hell. I deserve punishment, I like the only penance I could ever have, because he's always begging and apologizing in those nightmares, like the one where he witnesses her killing herself and he's like in the room with her. Yeah, I think this is like some seriously catholic kind of like intense like I need to suffer to show how sorry I am. That then, of course, like everything in the Event Horizon seems to do to people, turns into madness into madness, And I

1:28:32 do think that, you know, considering he opened the gate, you know, he caused all of this in the first place, and he has this deep, dark self loathing. That's just my thought is I think he wants to be in hell. He's excited to be in hell. Well, especially after he gouges out his eyes. He is very because one of the another great line of me, I don't need those to see. I don't need eyes to see. Yeah, yeah, not where or where we're going we don't need eyes to see. Yeah, so. Sorry, I'm collecting my thoughts. One of one of the things, one of the things that stands out about this movie is, especially especially once the Lewis and Clark has been damaged, something is, something is always happening. There's not a moment to breathe. And so simultaneously, while the Captain and DJ are like having this revelation of what happened to the original crew, and they're kind of discussing that they they believe that the ship came back with something evil. Uh, they're not quite at the conclusion yet that the ship itself is the evil. They just know, like the evil is here. While that's happening, we also, you know, doctor Weir has gone totally mad and ripped out his eyes.

1:30:04 And that's also when Smith and Pete doctor Peters are trying to collect as many tanks of oxygen as they can because basically, like like we said, they took the oxygen scrubber from the Lewis and Clark installed it on the event horizon. They cleaned a whole bunch of oxygen and put it in tanks so that they can take it back onto the Lewis and Clark. So they're collecting all of these tanks. They're not collecting, they're collecting the filters, the filter that scrubbed the carbon dioxide out. Okay, sorry, And because some of them are used up, that's why some of them they throw They were like these empty others. This one's this one's used up. This one, yeah, this one's done. Yeah. That's when Peter's like has the worst because she's been having these flashes of hallucinations of her son and now she has like a whole out nightmare vision of her son being tortured.

1:30:56 And then she sees him in the hall and she just chases him down in the hall and then she meets her end in the medical bay of the Event Horizon. And that's when who was it that had like the most hell raiser kind of death because one of the guys, like doctor Weir just gutted him. That's what that happened to the doctor Okay, to that was that was to DJ. So as as all of this is happening, we we've had it set up where there is a emergency protocol for the Event Horizon where basically two parts of the ship will can be separated.

1:31:45 Yeah, there's there's a corridor that connects the bridge to the engine basically basically, and the corridor is lined with explosives in order to turn the bridge basically into like a lifeboat so that it can escape the experimental engine that apparently is powered by Hell itself, And that's about to pay off in multiple ways after this. So Weird is now straight up stalking the ship and killing people.

1:32:30 But on top of that those explosive charges you were talking about, he's also plotting some other evil because I believe Fishburne's character notices one of them is just gone. One of those explosive charges is gone, and immediately puts two and two together. As we're back at the Lewis and Clark and they're trying to get ready to move Justin in there, and he figured out, like, I think he's bombing the Lewis and Clark. Yeah, So Miller reaches out over the intercom I believe it's to Smith is the one in there trying to move Justin and tells him like, evacuate, you need to get out now, and Smith refuses because he tries to find the bomb, and it's it's one of those scenes that it's so perfect because it's so action packed, and it's so heartbreaking when it reaches the conclusion, because he tears up the Lewis and Clark. He's he's ripping stuff off the walls and then he finally he finds like a pack on the door that's skewed, and so he moves it aside and he finds the bomb and he presses the thing to like see and it's got five seconds before it goes off. Yeah, and the look it's not it's not a look of resignation so much as

1:34:01 acceptance and. A little bit of frustration. Yeah, frustrating, like not even not even like, oh darn, I'm gonna die. It's oh darn, I didn't win, If that makes all examit. And then the last thing he does is kind of brace himself. Yeah, so the Lewis and Clark has gone, and that Cooper who was out there repairing the ship that jettisons him off and this. Was like you had just finished. He was celebrating. It's the little the only comic relief left in the whole film is that he just finished fixing the ship and he's like all cocky about it, and he blows up and he gets thrown into space. And that was like the peak mid nineties was for this last like the last act of the film was Cooper, because he gets jettisoned out into space and we we watch him like he's he's clinging onto this piece of shrapnel trying to figure out what to do, and he's like, Okay, if I empty my oxygen, I might be able to make it back to the event horizon. So he readies himself and he like primes the thing and then it shoots him off into space and we just hear woooo as he like flies toward.

1:35:16 He's he's always been a smack talker in the movie, and he's still doing it like while all this crazy evil stuff is happening, and he was about to float off into space alone for all eternity. So that was that was pretty great. And talk about a moment when you need levity. Yeah, because now what we're stuck with is we have to we have to figure out how to get everyone safely onto the bridge of the event horizon, stop Weird, and then separate the event horizon, the bridge from the engineering section well from the engine engine well.

1:36:01 A lot happens in this moment because Miller encounters We're in the bridge and at this point, Miller after discovering the dead body of DJ, the horrifically mutilated dead body. Right before that it happened, Miller had told DJ like, if you see Weir, because he fully was aware now we're as killing people. He's like, if you see where you take him out? And the way DJ reacts, you know, is very like yep, yeah, like I will like I'll kill him. So Miller's now DJ's dead, and Miller has taken one of the those So the way they were fixing the ship was they were using like a combination of some kind of like an adhesive to seal and these like they were almost like nails. They would punch through a hull and then spread on the other side to lock them in place. Yeah, So he takes one of those, charges it up and makes it clear he wants to kill Weir with it. So he heads up to the bridge and the bridge is empty, lightning going, and he finds the body of Lieutenant Stark. Yeah, beat up, bloody, and she's alive. So as he's checking on her, though, one of my favorite moments of the whole movie he's checking on her. I don't even know if he caught it, because it's so I mean, it's clear, but it's also really subtle because his reaction is my favorite part. As he's helping her and he's kind of checked her out and he's confirmed that she's alive and stuff, he literally

1:37:32 looks over to whether he had the gun, and the gun's just not there anymore, and he just goes right back to her. M hmmm, because mission focused like that will come about when it comes about. Yeah, right now, top priority is his crewmate is her. Yeah, but like the gun's gone and he barely reacts to it, but he does acknowledge it. So then of course, as they're trying to get out of there, we reveal under lightning strikes. Doctor Weir is sitting on the cap in his chair with the gun on his lap, eyes gone, you know, nuttier than a squirrel turd, and. He's like covered in blood because again he's been mutilating and killing people. He's himself and demanded himself. You know, it ain't a party unless you join in, right, I.

1:38:19 Mean, fair point. And I got to say that the more that we talk about the movie, the more I think I am right about him wanting to go to hell. Yeah, because think about it, like he's like a lost soul, you know, he's he's wandering life, going through the motions. His wife is gone, his life's work was gone, his life's work came back. He felt like he could probably find himself by figuring out what happened to his life's work and when it especially if you want to go Catholic with that, because you know, there's a lot of punishment is good in Catholicism. Think about that for a minute, like he's what is the what is the thing worse in Catholicism? What is the place worse than heaven or hell?

1:39:09 Purgatory? Oh yeah, yeah, he's in like living death. He's not in heaven, he's not in Hell. He's not even alive. Yeah, I do like that. Yeah, No, that's a very good point. And and and again, the the imagery goes right along with it too. Just the imagery of him, you know, turning around in the chair with the lightning in the background. It was all very haunting. But again it's it's not the it's not the imagery that we would generally find associated with actual hell. You know, he's not there being tortured by demons. The torture is being there in and of itself.

1:39:54 Well, and and like I said, I mean, it's it's desire to be punished. He's not being punished. He's just he's suffering, but he's not being punished. There's a difference. Yeah. And one of my favorite little moments is when he has the he points the gun toward him, He's like, do you think I'll miss because he has no eyes. I love that little line. Sam Neil's always great as a crazy person. And on top of all this happening, all of a sudden, a certain, a certain Cooper begins to fly directly toward from outside the spaceship in his spacesuit starts to fly toward the bridge window windshields, I don't know what you call it. He starts flying toward it.

1:40:35 And things are about to get extra right after this. So as Cooper arrives outside the window of the bridge, doctor Weir, without hesitation but with with thought, m points the gun to him. And it's important to point that out though, because that's the best part. He doesn't just go like and like shoot without realizing that I'm gonna wreck with everything no, he like looks over at him and then like smiles and does it. He knows it's going to cause the entire bridge to decompress.

1:41:16 Yeah, but he doesn't care because that's more you No, he does care. He wants chaos. So he he shoots at Cooper and it, you know, busts open the window and the explosive decompression pulls doctor Weir out and they they managed to like seal off that part of the bridge so that they can use that section of the ship to survive. And that's when Miller tells them their plan, tells them the plan, like, Okay, we're going to put the lifeboat effect. Uh, we're going to use that.

1:41:57 So we're going to put the lifeboat into effect, and effect is what I. So, you know, He's like, basically, you guys stay here. I'm going to make sure that all of the charges go off. So Miller you know, goes basically back to the engine bay so that he can make sure all of the charges are set and he has to go by one by one by one. He doesn't have to go to where the engine bay is. But but what happens is he demands his crew stay behind because you've got one severely injured guy, and then the the female Lieutenant Stark Stark, and then and then Cooper m hm. And he doesn't want to risk losing them, so he makes them go up there and stay there.

1:42:41 And then as he's confirming each of the explosives, he realizes almost certainly Weird might be alive. But then the fire ghost from his past starts chasing him. That's what it is. And it runs him straight into the event horizon, like straight into the engine. So you were close. It's just like it. Basically, the moment he gets into that corridor, all bets are off like it. The ships just starts coming for him. Yeah, because it's it's honed in on him. And one cool thing because there's so much obviously we're gonna gloss over tons of stuff. But one thing I thought was really cool was there was a scene earlier when Lieutenant Stark is talking to Captain Miller and she's like, I have one theory of what's going on here. Because that's his thing is you would say, like, you know, I want to know what is going on here. I don't know. Well, then find out that's your job, you know.

1:43:33 There's a great part early on when before Weir's gone crazy with Weir sets I just need it. I just need a little time, and he's like, that's the one thing you don't have, and. It was crust so good but. So but there's a part earlier when he's before everything, people are like really dying other than I think at that point Justin had been hurt, but that was it. So it seemed like there was some kind of psychosis going on where she tells him like I She's like, I have a theory, and he's like, tell me, and she says, I think that it's some kind of immune response. That's what she her theory is about the ship, that like this is an immune response to people being in it. We're an infection that it's trying to shake out. And he's like, I don't have time for this does sound crazy, but I just wanted to side note that because as as a Miller ends up stuck in the Event Horizon engine room and then we reveal we're in his final form, it becomes clear that that's not far off from the truth.

1:44:34 Yeah yeah, yeah. So uh We're and Miller have a fight to the death. Out but you're not going to mention that we're is now suddenly like carved up a giant like flesh painting of like of like runes. Carved in Yeah, yeah, he is like it's uh, I mean, what is the oh, what's the what's the word in Catholicism where someone stigmata, it's like an evil stigmata where he's just covered in yeah, like ruins, he's and it like of course, you know, stuff pouring out of his.

1:45:15 Eyes well, and and and uh. Every time he saw his wife in visions, before he even got to the event horizon, she would have no eyes. That was a recurring thing. She would open her eyes or turned to look at him, and she would have no eyes in her sockets. And now he has no eyes in his sockets. Just want to mention that too, like that's something that you know, messes with you. That's really like a fascinating choice. Yeah, but now yeah, but they are fighting. I just want to mention, like I don't want to I don't want to gloss over the fact that mirror is like standing there basically naked, covered in carved things. Like he's just mutilated beyond cut himself up, nearly beyond recognition. He couldn't have cut himself up. It's all over his back and everything.

1:45:59 That's that's my point. But but but it's important to keep in mind like when when Miller had to go into the engine room to get away from that ghost or whatever, like it it's real. And that's something that Cooper had mentioned the first time he had that fear. He's like, I felt the fire like it was really there. And that's the thing about this that I think is really interesting is like the manifestations are real. Yeah. So it's it's not just in your head. Not at all. It's taking within your head and making it real. Yeah, which does sound like a kind of you know, poetic concept of hell. Take the horrible things and make them absolutely real, not just haunting. You know, they're really happening and you're gonna have a bad time.

1:46:42 Yeah. So but no, and and my point isn't to like, uh wasn't to like shoot you down and correct you for not knowing what the uh like that he was. But no, my point is like that's how friggin' nuts and mysterious all this stuff is. Is No, there's no way he could have done that to a specially himself, not especially not in like the forty minutes that since they'd seen. Him last, he kept himself busy. No, he likes to stay busy, and having a hobby is a very important thing, without a doubt, yea. And but as they start to fight, it's a pretty awesome fight because the way Weird reveals himself is he takes the place of the fiery dead crew person, like the flames build up and then they go down and he's there. Yeah, and friggin' you gotta hand it to Miller. He just starts walloping him with stuff because there are a few of those oxygen or those carbon dioxide scrubbers. He's like whacking them, but it's barely doing anything. And Weir had been expressing like superhuman strength earlier on. But he is trying like hell to fight him off and and not not allow his crew in particular to die. And that becomes especially obvious because when he was checking the blowsive panels, they have remote detonator for it, and he retrieves the remote detonator, which falls to the side. Of course, so now as he's fighting with Weird, he's trying to just get to that remote detonator so we can separate the ship.

1:48:12 Before and I know we mentioned it before, but we didn't mention it right when he was in the bridge. The it's going to activate, Yeah, yeah, we're we're has it set, so it's going to go off in like less than ten minutes. At that point it was well under yeah, it was like barely ten minutes. Yeah, so the event Horizon is going to activate. And his argument for it is, if you know, we've wondered where it was, now we're going to find out, you know, like and he says, like, you know, to send us to hell, and he's hell is just a word, and that always gave me chills. He says, hell is just a word. And then we get a few more peaks right after this We're bad and the fight to keep from going to something like hell has begun, and Weir has shown the captain I can't believe I just I've been saying his name like twenty times an allis I forget it has shown the captain more visions of what is on the other side, and one of my favorite things is it's so fast you can barely tell. But the crew members that are still alive are in the vision suffering, and even says like they're not they're not dead, and he's like, they wish they were. So it's like, oh, this is a lot.

1:49:34 There's so much shifting and stuff going on. And there was an earlier part where Smitty said something that I think about a lot. When he first like starts attacking Weir and then gets stopped with that scalpeld of his neck. He says, like, you think you could just you could just violate the bloss of physics and blah blah blah. And I realized, like there's almost like an attitude of heresy, like a tinge of it about the laws of physic Yeah, probably because their lives are in space, surviving only by the laws of physics that they can circumvent. Yes, So that's a really interesting element too. But one of the things about Event Horizon that I always found scary, that like always bothered me in a way, in a good way because it made me think was so. Weir says that it's another dimension, a dimension of total chaos and pure evil. That's what he says. So this dimension has always existed, you know, because that's how dimensions are. They coexist.

1:50:45 So does that mean that what humanity is described as hell for tens of thousands of years described as hades and torment and all this. Does that mean somebody saw the other dimension? Yeah? I got chilled. This is what I think. This is why I like e Ho Horizon so much, because that's what I think about the whole time watching the movie. I'm like, did they literally find Hell? Is it just that Hell was not? Is a literal, scientifically provable place and you found it? Because you know we talk there are all these concepts, like to go back to Star Trek, like the concept of warp speed is the idea that you create a to travel faster than light. You create a shield around yourself and move space around you. You don't move, you don't move, space moves around you. Yeah, And there were some little Star Trek episodes where they would talk about the concept of like what happens if, like you go past warp ten do you end up? At one point? They suggest that like you end up inhabiting all space simultaneously. And then there are other things like transwarp, which is a type of warp speed that's even faster, but you have to go through subspace corridors that have to be created ahead of time, and that like it literally causes like unbeknownst insane side effects. And that's kind of what I'm getting at here. Is like, so we created faster than light travel, but we tore a hole in the fabric of space and time, which is actually the source of all the

1:52:19 concepts of eternal torment that humans have ever written about. I don't like it. It's scary. So Hell really is a place. But then but go one further. When he shows him Hell, we'll call it hell. When he shows it to him and he sees his friends who aren't dead suffering there. Maybe humans never did go to Hell, but when you saw Hell, you saw yourself and others suffering torment there. But you're not. Actually, you can't get there by dying. You get there by getting. There, So it's only it would only exist if you go there. No, No, I'm saying that that they thought that we go there, or that we end up there, because the part of the torment of a vision of it is you see people who haven't died yet there. You could see anybody there, you see loved ones that have died, You could see yourself suffering there. So they just kind of filled in the blanks like that must be where you go if you're bad when you die, because I saw everyone there, when in reality it's like, no, you were miss you were mistaking scientific phenomena, natural phenomena, deeply horrific, awful, natural phenomena. That's kind of what I was getting at. Okay, I mean I didn't, I didn't nail it. I didn't have it perfectly tied together the first go. But that's what I was getting at, is like that they just thought because they saw themselves and people they knew in there, they thought that people actually ended up there. Okay, yeah,

1:53:50 when in reality it's just that's part of the torment is that it makes you, it makes it makes all the worst things of reality a literal reality, do you know what I mean? Though, Like, that's why it creeps me out, is the idea like oh, we're just we're just testing a new engine for a spaceship. And it's like, okay, well, now hell is real. Great job, thanks, well. It does, uh, especially the setup not so much the rest of the movie, but the setup especially reminds me of and and the way you're describing that reminds me of the Philadelphia Experiment where it's like this untold horror just waiting around the corner and you stumbled upon it because you were dabbling with powers that you could not comprehend that sort of thing.

1:54:41 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's just to me, it's like the idea of hell, which is you know, it has been a long haites has been a long terrifying thing. M m to the idea like, oh, that's where it came from. Yeah, it is real. It's just not what you thought because it's beyond it's it's something else. It's it's a legitimate, normal phenomenon in the other dimension, not in your dimension. Yeah, I just I don't know why that like freaks me out so intensely, but it really does, really gets to me. So that's one of the reasons I think Event Horizon is so interesting and so you know wild. Also, the idea of like not needing eyes to see kind of leans into what I just said about, like it just shows you and makes real all these things.

1:55:29 Why would you need eyes? Yeah, you wouldn't need eyes. You wouldn't need to see because it's gonna make it real anyway. Yeah, And I mean, who knows what that universe is even like when there's no one there to suffer in it. I don't. I mean, that's the part I don't. I mean, because we'd never get enough to know more. So I like, yeah, it's just sorry. That's like that's my thing though, And I wanted to get across to you like that's what makes me really fine. Event Horizon scary, like really scary. So but yeah, so they're they're fighting it out. I didn't know if there was if you had a riff beyond that too. No, So they're fighting it out, and and he's trying to stop Weird. So he's so he's trying to stop Weird, the monstrous Weird, and trying to you know, reach for the UH detonator.

1:56:20 And the whole time, we're starting to realize that for for Captain Miller, we're hoping against hope that you know, there's a way that he in particular can get out of this, but given what we know about him and his past, we're starting to see that there's really not UH for him. There is only one way to win, and that is to save his crew. Yes, and that is ultimately what he does, is he you know, as the gravity drive, the event Horizon drive activates, he manages to get the detonator and detonate the two parts of the ship apart from each other. So their part of the ship goes into a black hole and just gets you know, sucked into hell, while the bridge is kind of like safe. And so that's when Stark and Cooper are able to get into stasis. They get safe. They have justin with them. He's safe as well. So they're just waiting it out. And I believe the text it says it's like seventy days or something. When they finally get found.

1:57:38 Well, they go into Stasi's sleep as well because they don't have enough food or oxygen. Yeah, they wouldn't just survey going anyway, and luckily maybe they do get discovered after this. All right, So those three are in stasis and we see we see Stark in her stasis pod tube thing and you know, the water kind of drains down and she gets out and someone pulls her up. Someone's in a suit and they pull her up and they start talking to her, and there's a moment of disoriented relief, yeah, as she kind of realizes that she's coming out of.

1:58:37 Stasis and there are these these people in space suits, you know, with helmets because the ship has been damaged. Yeah, So they're all standing around her, and this person like lifts her up and is holding her, and then their visor on their spacesuit goes down and it's weird and his horror mutilated face with no eyes and he's like grinning and. He says something like we were afraid we lost you or something like that. It was something like that, really. Something really creepy like that, and she screams and then wakes up again. We realize, of course it was the fake out and is the nightmare exactly, just just like in the beginning, which is a beautiful bookend for the film.

1:59:24 So she is actually coming out of stasis and Cooper's there, He's trying to comfort her. There's other people there on the ship, her rescuers, trying to comfort her. And as the movie ends, the camera just pulls back and the bay doors to the ship slowly close as she's screaming in terror and everyone is trying to comfort her, and then it goes to black yep And you and I were during one of the breaks, we were kind of talking about it, and one of the things that I love about Event Horizon is how the fear is so tailored for each individual person, and you were kind of talking about, how, you know, the thing that's worse about hell in this movie is that it shows you and it manifests and it makes real your own fears. And I think that, especially in horror, it just kind of gets lost on us that not everyone finds the same things scary and I'm not.

2:00:38 That's what this show is about. That's why we're like literally why we're here, and that's why you guys tune into us. And I love, I have a love hate relationship with personalized fear because you know, I've I've talked about how, like I really I didn't watch horror movies growing up as a kid. You know, I grew up in a in a religious household, but that didn't mean that it couldn't like reach me in other ways. And the first time I was really exposed to the idea of fear being deeply personal was actually when I was reading The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, one of the Chronicles of Narnia. And it's a fun book and you know, everyone everyone is right in the assumption like they're family, family friendly, like you can just pick them up kind of fantasy books but.

2:01:33 I don't. I don't think people realize that C. S. Lewis did actually write a science fiction trilogy. Yeah, it's a very good trilogy, but he he was good about blending different genre like that. And in the Voyage of the Dawn Treader, they come up like they're they're on a boat, obviously, and they come up against a big fog and kind of get lost in the fog and they see a island out in the distance and they see a little rowboat and they manage to mess like rescue the guy in the rowboat. And this guy is like haggard and looks like he's been lost to see for years, and he says, like all he says is, we've got to get out of here. And they say, this is the only land we can find for miles. We need to stop and like get food, and he says, no, you don't understand. You don't want to go there. This is the island where dreams come true. And as a kid, that kind of sounds boss, yeah, until he explains like, no, this isn't the dreams that you think of. This isn't your hopes, this is your dreams. These are the things in your mind that you can't control. And everybody on the ship like quickly realizes what that means. And I remember, like, you know, Lewis describes that someone hears scissors and it gets louder and louder and that starts driving them insane, and someone else like, here's the voice of a school teacher that was really mean to them. But then it

2:03:05 gets louder and then it gets like closer, And that, as a child, like really drove home that what maybe been dying to one person can be utterly terrifying to the next. And I love that event Horizon took that concept and dialed it up to eleven and ripped the knob off sure, because you know, as a kid, that was scary enough, and then as an adult it's like, yeah, but what if we did more with that? Is really really great to me? What if we did more? And also Sam Neil and also Sam Neil. I mean, and Sam Neil and everything, And then you put Sam Neil and Lawrence Fishburne together, You're gonna have a good time, You absolutely are.

2:03:52 They're just consummate. They're so so good. And like I said at the beginning, like if anyone would have phoned in their performance, this movie would have fallen apart, but everybody was so into it and gave it it there all, So I just, yeah, definitely love this movie and highly recommend it to everyone. Yeah, they play it so legitimate. It really it's an awesome scary movie. I hope you guys, if you haven't seen it, you check it out. Thanks in part two our ranting and raving about how good it is. It is kind of the top of the line of sci fi horror, I think, but I'd love to be I'd love to be proven wrong. Yeah, I would be totally down to see something even scarier than Event Horizon, But very little scares me as much as that. I just yeah, like you were saying, like the idea of things you imagine becoming reality, or things you dream of or want or becoming reality, that's scary. And then the idea of like, you know, messing with natural forces can have unintended consequences, and having the unintended consequences go so far beyond anything you could even guess super scary. These are the things that scare me a lot, and and it's easy. It's like when Star Trek did the episode where Barclay was afraid of the Transporter.

2:05:09 Oh, I love that one. I love that because, like, why wouldn't you be Why wouldn't at least some of the people be afraid? It's kind of a scary idea. So that's the other point is like it brings the humanity and a realism to sci fi to have these kinds of concepts that like what happens when you are exposed to this or you know this seems mundane, But isn't the reality very scary compared to like normal everyday life. Yes, it is. So Yeah, I just love Event Horizon and I think everybody should check it out. It bombed at the box office but has become a real cult hit and I love it. Check it out. Paramount Plus is the best place to watch it. Yeah, So you have anything else you want to say before we we hop on out?

2:05:52 Um, don't mess with space time. Oh. I thought you're gonna say we're covering Evil Dead next time too. So yeah, we're gonna do Evil Dead next time because we watched We watched all of Ash versus Evil Dead, so now we're like, we got to go back. Now we want to watch it all again. So and I find Evil Dead the first one sincerely scary. Yeah, and a lot of people think mostly about Evil Dead two an Army of Darkness, which I love both of those quite a bit, but they're not scary like Evil Dead one is. Evil Dead one is really a creepy movie. Yeah. I watched it so many times alone in my bedroom after one in the morning on tape. And I'll talk about that plenty when we get back next time, which will likely be next week. Not making any total promises, but likely. So Yeah. With all that being said, I guess it's time to head out, all right, So thank you guys so much for listening to cutting deep into horror with myself and Rachel Ridolfi. If you love what you heard and you want to send us an email, recommend a movie, say something we got wrong, you can send it to Weekly Spooky at gmail. And if you want to support us for one dollar a month, as little as one dollar a month, you can head to Weeklyspooky dot com slash join and help us keep the show going and going and going. But otherwise we'll be back very very soon talking about more of the horror movies that sincerely scare me. Somebody that people think would be a jaded horror movie lover, but I'm not so anything else you want to say, Rach before we hop

2:07:24 on out of here and head into warp drive. Where we're going, we don't need eyes. Welcome