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Sept. 19, 2025

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Event Horizon (1997) — Haunted Spaceship, Hell Clues & Ending Explained

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Event Horizon (1997) — Haunted Spaceship, Hell Clues & Ending Explained
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Event Horizon (1997) receives a spoiler-rich Cutting Deep Into Horror examination of its story, performances, filmmaking choices, themes, and place in horror cinema.

“Cutting Deep into Horror” dives headfirst into Paul W. S. Anderson’s cult-classic sci-fi horror Event Horizon (1997). Hosts Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfi unpack how a “haunted house in space” premise, Catholic-guilt undertones, and that infamous “I don’t need eyes to see” line still rattle nerves. We track the film’s bomb-then-cult trajectory, the ‘90s horror landscape post-Scream, and why the movie’s gothic production design and jump scares work because they reveal character, not just because they’re loud.

Inside this episode

- Event Horizon as a haunted house in space: gothic corridors, lightning over a gas giant, and experiential terror over pure plot.
- ‘90s context: the post-Scream pivot and where big monster/ghost cycles fit in that moment.
- Latin distress call (“liberate tutemet ex inferis”) and what it implies about a hellish dimension.
- Character-first fear: Captain Miller’s zero-G fire memory; Dr. Weir’s grief, guilt, and “no eyes” transformation.
- The “Baby Bear” airlock sequence and how the movie makes space hazards horrifyingly tactile.
- CO₂ scrubbers, ticking clocks, and the ship as a possible “immune response” vs. the doorway to literal hell.
- Space-horror lineage mentioned: Hellraiser vibes; Jason X, Leprechaun 4, Critters 4; plus how Star Trek often dabbled in horror vibes across series.
- Final act choices: separation charges, sacrifice, and the fake-out rescue ending.
- Quick nod to the new 4K collector’s edition they watched and why it pops.

Where to watch (U. S.)
(Verified at time of writing; availability changes often.)

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- Philo — stream with subscription / free trial https://www.philo.com/player/s...
- JustWatch (aggregator) — quick status snapshot across services https://www.justwatch.com/us/m...

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Well, I'm so happy to have you on board my ship. Rachel.

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It's quite a ship. It is not what I was

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expecting at all, is it.

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Volkswagen Beetle, and a lot of people have actually said

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they like it.

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comprehension of uh man or god oh.

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interdimensional beings. But also I'm not actually sure if they're

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corporeal or not. It's a lot, yeah, it is, but

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in space it's like it's like manufacturing candy. You know,

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if you're gonna do great and you're gonna be prolific,

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there's gonna be some rat feces in there every now

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and then, or in this case, unspeakable human terrors. But

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we also have a an excellent dining hall. We also

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have botchie ball and corn hole.

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Is no party going on here. We're in constant threat

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of death having to be in space as our jobs, Rachel.

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Right, So why the Bochi ball then.

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to remind me of the dead languages of the elder gods.

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I'm starting to wonder if you've even passed your placement test. See,

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I'm tense now, So let's go play boci ball. Okay,

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all we have to do is go through the hall

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of eternal torment. Okay, after you oh no, oh, yes,

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no no, I insist you'll enjoy yourself.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror.

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I am, of course, your host and narrator here at

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Weekly Spooky Enrique Kuto, here with my good buddy co

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host and space friend Rachel Ridolfi, Rachel, how are you

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h feeling.

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Kind of spooky with Yeah? With the sci fi movies

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that we've been watching recently.

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it was like, but anyway high in eighty nine to

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the weather was just becoming in the high eighties again.

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the lawn I will take happily.

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Absolve you of your responsibility.

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had my birthday last week and and thank you all

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the Weekly Spooky folks who sent in happy birthday messages

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my birthday, so I of course mentioned in the whole

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Spooky drop on my birthday. So I got a lot

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event in every Ber month because my birthday is in September,

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of the bur month. Oh yeah, it is a bit

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predicting the weather. You do say that, actually, because in

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my opinion, the metaphor for being hard to predict is

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five minutes. You don't like the weather in Jersey, wait

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I also got inducted into the Horror Host Hall of Fame,

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which is weird to say out loud.

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that was cool, interesting experience. It's on my YouTube channel.

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my YouTube channel for it. I was gonna upload it

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the bur months mean, like this is September is the

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prelude to spooky.

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Season, so it's like the spooky pre game.

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been watching some cool spooky movies. We've been getting cutting

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deep back back in the swing of things, which is

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always nice because usually if it falls off for a

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little while, it always comes back in the burr months,

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because that's the best time to watch scary stuff and

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the best time to talk about it. And we're talking

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tonight about a film that I've always really enjoyed that

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I feel has definitely definitely earned its audience later on

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m Like, without a doubt, people people are very in

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love with nineteen ninety seven's Event Horizon, directed by Paul

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Anderson and written by Philip Eisner. But it's funny because

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it bombed horribly at the box office. And we'll get

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into that more in a moment, But we watched my

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brand new collector's edition four K. So people love this movie.

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It's just it's really it got its due way later. Yeah,

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it did not get its due in the theater.

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Yeah, it took a while for people to like realize

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how good it is.

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Well, it was also just a very expensive science fiction

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horror movie, so that made it. You know, it had

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a sixty million dollar budget. And it made forty two

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million at the box office. If they had made it

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for fifteen million, it would have been a hit. Yeah,

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not saying they could have. I'm just saying if they

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did that, it would have been a hit. Lots of

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horror movies in that era that would be considered very

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expensive fifteen million dollars for a horror movie, and they

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would have been huge hits if they had that box office. Yeah,

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So for that time period, especially because this was also

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a weird time in horror history due to Scream reinventing

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the wheel.

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nineties before Screamed, they're very different. People were expecting monster

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movies to make a full comeback. That's why you have

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movies like Deep Rising and stuff species the Relic. Yeah,

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those were all people really thought, like, Oh, monsters are

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about to make their comeback. And then Scream happened. And

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then also a lot of ghost stuff was kind of

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being pushed, like the Thirteen Ghosts remake, the House on

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Haunt Hill remake, a lot of stuff like that, which

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event Horizon was like smack dab at the beginning of

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that cycle as well, and we'll talk about a little

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bit more of that and probably get cursed and die

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in space after this. So we're back talking about nineteen

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ninety seven's Event Horizon. It stars Laurence Fishburne, Sam Neil,

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Kathleen Quinlan, and Jolie Richardson. Jolie it's literally Jolie. Okay, Oh,

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I'm used to Jolie with an ie if it's a

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woman's name. So I thought this was some kind of

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a name I wasn't familiar with. That was Joel, but

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then a y at the end, so I was like, oh,

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it must be like to me, that sounds like Irish

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or something. Yeah, like that's the version, but no Jolie Richardson.

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The second I saw our picture, I was like, oh, yeah,

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Jolie Richardson, Yeah, yeah, I know who that is. They

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star in the film. It is a science fiction horror story,

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which we are big fans of. Yes, well, you're just

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a big I mean I've always loved science fiction. I've

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been a Star Trek fan for as long as I

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can remember, and not just like a little fan, like

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a very big fan.

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Yeah, you're like, what is it? Died in the Wall.

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I've always always loved Star Trek And speaking of Star Trek,

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it on Paramount Plus with a subscription. You can see

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it on MGM Plus with a subscription. You can also

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find it on Fuboo TV, Fuobo TV, the Roku channel.

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They all require subscriptions. Unfortunately, it is not available to

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watch anywhere for totally free, but it is available. I

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would say Paramount Plus is probably your best bet, but

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I will mention if you guys don't know this life hack.

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If you're like, oh, man, I only want to watch

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Event Horizon, but I've already had Paramount Plus, so I

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can't get a free trial. If you sign up for

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Paramount Plus through like Amazon Prime Video, or you sign

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up with it through YouTube, you'll get another seven day trial. Ooh,

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good to know often the case, So don't quote me

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on that one hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure that

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you can. You could do that. So if you're if

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you're dying to watch Event Horizon also, I will say

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places like Paramount Plus, places like Peacock, the best time

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to like subscribe and then cancel in a month or

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two is now because all the fun spooky season stuff.

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The original movies, the indie movies, the classic movies you've

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always liked. They're all going to be jumping onto all

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the streaming services over the next two months.

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couple of other ones only from September to December because

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want to mention that too, Like that's there's never a

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better time than right now as far as content drops

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to just sign up for someplace. And I'm not sponsored

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by Paramount Plus or anything obviously, so since I just

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told you like ways, you could probably get around a

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seven day free trial. But but yeah, if you were

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ever gonna do it, that.

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Would be the time. Now's your time.

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and I recommend you watch it before we spoil it

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a bunch. Although Event Horizon is kind of hard to

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fully spoil because so much of it is exponential and

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not story mm hm, So I think it'll be hard

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to fully spoil it without you being able to see

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it because a lot of what you see is what

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kind of messes you up with the film?

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Right, Well, it's very similar to like when we were

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talking about Fire in the Sky last week and we

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both kind of mentioned, like, yeah, the thing that everyone remembers,

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that everyone talks about is the short scene of you know,

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being on the alien spaceship and you know being you know,

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used as a scientific experiment. But that's such a small

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part of the actual film. And it's very similar with

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Event Horizon, where like you could state the plot, or

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you could state like different imagery that they use as

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jump scares throughout, but you're never going to be able

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to fully convey the movie without just sitting down and

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watching it.

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for most movies, but I think a lot that's a

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lot of movies you could spoil them with words. Yeah,

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it's a little hard, Like I could say, like and

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it's the most terrifying you know, scarred faced monster that

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doesn't tell you anything until you watch it. So yeah,

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but I've always loved Event Horizon. The first time I

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saw it was probably in nineteen ninety eight on VHS tape,

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and I was a deep devote to the sci Fi channel.

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I lived basically on sci Fi Channel TBS USA and

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Comedy Central like in Nickelodeon, Like that was where I

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lived on the TV dial. So they had a TV

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special about event Horizon where they talked about the science

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fiction concepts, the concept of using an event horizon, the

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literal scientific term to travel faster than light. You know,

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they talked about all that stuff, and of course I'm

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super into it because Star Trek fan, lifelong Star Trek fan.

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I mean, I was a lifelong Star Trek fan. When

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I was eleven and twelve years old. I had already

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that point, so I was always super engrossed in science fiction,

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and there weren't a ton of really scary sci fi films.

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I mean, we've talked about how horror and sci fi

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goes together great in every way except box office. It

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goes together great from a audience standpoint, it goes together

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great from a thematic standpoint, but it does not go

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together very well in the realm of horror. With a

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few gigantic exceptions, yeah, the main one being Alien. Yeah,

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but Alien is so good and so loved people forget

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it's basically a horror movie. They forget that it's a

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horror movie on a spaceship, especially because much like Terminator,

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I Run because Alien, Aliens and Terminator two are directed

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by James Cameron. But much like with Terminator and Terminator two,

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people tend to forget how much of a horror movie

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the first Terminator is because Terminator two is a big

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It is one of the biggest adventure movies of all time. Yeah,

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real it. Ironically, it pretty much unseated Aliens, which was

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the biggest one before that, and that was also James Cameron.

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But he just liked to outdo himself known for that.

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I mean, that's a very common thing. But aside from

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those notable exceptions, horror sci fi just there's something about it.

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It just doesn't tend to click that often. But there

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are tons of really interesting horror sci fi examples that

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people often forget. I believe it was the fourth hell

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Raiser movie is in space.

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Yeah, actually I wanted to bring that up because you know,

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you were the one who showed me Event Horizon first,

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and you're also the one who showed me the hell

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Raiser movies, and we did a hell Raiser like marathon

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and it was Hell Raiser Bloodline, which came out a

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year before, and as we were rewatching Event Horizon last night,

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I kept thinking, like, man, this is like hell Raiser Bloodline,

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but serious and like actually scary, because at that point

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Bloodline was like fully in camp mode.

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I feel, Oh, Hellraiser three, you know as the guy

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who shoots CDs at people.

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Oh that's right, I totally forgot.

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So yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up, because

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that was one thing that really struck me is how

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similar but how different they were. And they had only

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come out, you know, a year apart from each other.

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So well, and Pinhead wasn't the only one to head

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to Space, and I'll talk all about that right after this.

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So before I dive into that horror history of Space,

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I also want to mention Star Trek was not afraid

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to dip its toe in horror concepts. And I'm not

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going to talk about TOS. Although I love TOS, it

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was a more campy show. So even when they did

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things like The Man Trap or Mary or Kat's Paw

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Cat's Paul was really fun because it was basically just

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Star Trek Halloween Special. But they were fun and spooky

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but they weren't scary in a way that I would say,

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like as a kid watching it with like holy crap.

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But Star Trek next generation stuff like night Terrors where

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the crew is plagued by hallucinations and they can't sleep.

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That one messed me up super bad because there was

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one where where I think it was Riker like lays

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down to go to sleep and then his like his

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door rings, just like the second exets his head down

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his door rings, and it's because he literally like they

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depicted as if he didn't experience any sleep whatsoever. And

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I thought that was really really cool and creepy.

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Yeah, Schisms where like there's alien abduction and like body mutilation,

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and there's a ton of other ones like phantasms where

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data has like all the surreal dreams.

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Yeah, I remember that one, and I remember that one

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like really messing me up as a kid too.

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But where they really went nuts was DS nine and Voyager,

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because I mean there was an episode Deep Space nine

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called Whispers where there was body snatcher paranoia, like like

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people were being replaced. There was an episode called empoc

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Noor which was going to the sister space station of

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Deep Space nine, which was tarok Noor empoc Nor was

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the abandoned one that's identical except it's been abandoned and

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it was literally like a haunted space station with homicidal Cardassians.

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It was like a slasher movie. Really great one. There

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was the uh oh my guess. There were some that

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were like War as Hell ones too, and I think

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it was Whispers. I can't remember. I Whispers was the one.

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There was one episode where they're on the Defiant, which

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is a smaller spacecraft, and they decode some communication that

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suggests there is a changeling on board, which the Changelings

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were the leaders of the Dominion, the Evil Empire, and

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it's just the thing. It just becomes the thing. They're

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trying to figure out who's not who they say. They

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are on this tiny ship in the middle of deep

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space where they're flying in enemy territory, so they have

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to be cloaked the whole time and stuff. It's really

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really fun. But then Voyager, which was the only Star

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Trek series I watched from start to finish as it aired.

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Ooh, so it's.

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Extra special to me. But they had an episode called

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the Thaw, which had like a killer clown in it.

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There was one called Darkling where the doctor did personality

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experiments like because he was trying to you know, learn

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who he was, and it goes like really really dark.

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There's literally an episode called the Haunting of Deck twelve

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where it's a ghost story basically that Deck twelve everybody.

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Everybody just kind of knows Deck twelve is kind of

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spooky because you got to remember Voyager, they're lost in

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space and they're trying to make it home and if

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they fly at full speed, they'll be home in like

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ninety four years. Oh yeah, that's the concepts. They're trying

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to find shortcuts and tricks and stuff like that, and

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also they have to have enough energy, enough food. They

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have to they're all alone. Yeah, so it makes even

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more sense because unlike Star Trek Next Generation, where people

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lived on the ship, but they would go to Earth

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and they would do surely and they do these things, yea,

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they don't have that it's their home entirely. So I

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was like, of course, there's like you know about Deck twelve,

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like that's the creepy deck, like because they're like they've

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been on the ship for like four years non yeah,

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with like little breaks on friendly alien planets. But everywhere

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they go, they don't know if it's gonna be friendly

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because they have no they have no The Federation isn't

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known out there. They have no they have no outright allies. Yeah,

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so they did some really cool ones like that. They

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did one episode which I wish I could remember. There

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was one episode where there was a serial killer on board.

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I can't remember the title of it off the top

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of my head. There was one episode where although that

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one's a little less horror and more about, you know

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the concept of like what do we do with this

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guy now that we captured him, Like we can't kill him,

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that's against our values, but like so we have to

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make him just live in this room forever. But there's

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an episode later on where I don't know how much

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later on, but it paid off awesome where these guys

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invade Voyager and he just gets loose and he lets go.

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And he had been through Vulcan mind technique. He was

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not Vulcan, but through Vulcan mind technique, he had been

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coming to peace with who he was and he just

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had to like let that go and start like horizing

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the ship full of guys and you had forgotten he

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was on the ship.

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Yeah, yeah, and.

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So there were a lot of cool things like that.

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There was also one where they had a mirror universe

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thing where it turns out that the other universe Voyager

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had like been devoid of all of all concept of

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morality and they were like they had captured these space

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aliens that had energy centers as like what makes them

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be alive and literally drained them of their lives to

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make their ship go faster, oh for like hundreds of

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thousands of light years. So these ghost monsters are like

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after them, So then they start going after the Voyager

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crew on the other dimension as well. There's all kinds

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of crazy things in Voyager. God, yeah, there's all kinds

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of things in Enterprise. There was an episode called dead

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Stop where this like automated station was harvesting human bodies.

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There's there's a lot of awesome start. I'm sorry, I'm

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a starterk nerd, So I went into that NonStop. No,

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I'm not even going to apologize. That's just that's just

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what you see is what you get with me. Pal

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on the genuine article, you know.

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Yeah, plains trains already, Yeah, yeah, you better believe it.

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So that was that was what that was what one

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of my early introductions to like horror and space was.

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But I remember renting Event Horizon because it was non

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stop being talked about everywhere, and watching that alone in

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my bedroom maybe alone in the living room scared the

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crap out of it.

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Yeah.

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Because I was allowed to rent kind of whatever, it

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was like not a big deal. By the time I

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was like nine, it was just like whatever is fine,

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but I had to The rule was like, you could

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rent whatever if you're gonna watch it by yourself, because

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like I would, you know, I'd be like, oh, I

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want to I want to see you know, I want

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to see Halloween h two. Oh, and my mom would

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be like, oh, that sounds cool, Jamie Lee Curtis is awesome.

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She'd watch it with me. But if I was like, oh, man,

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I want to watch hell Raiser five, she'd be like, okay,

451
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.160
Like have fun, I'm not watching you. Like, you know,

452
00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.880
like you're you're old enough that you you said you're

453
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:56.440
like you're old enough to watch these scary things, so

454
00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:57.839
you don't need your mommy to watch them with you,

455
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.119
you know, right, So if I admitted, like, but I'm

456
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.039
too scared to watch myself, she'd be like maybe you

457
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.200
should be watching a little less horror movies. And I'd

458
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:05.880
be like, no thing, We're dead.

459
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.599
You know, anything but that, anything.

460
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:14.720
But that, this cruelty knows no end. So so yeah,

461
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.720
like if it was the New Nightmare on Elm Street,

462
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:18.559
Mom would be like, hell, yeah, let's watch you know,

463
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.440
a new Wes Craven's a new Nightmare. I remember vividly

464
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.599
when she came home to our apartment or to our townhouse.

465
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.000
I think we were in the townhouse at that point

466
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:33.200
with a pizza and she got it from block and

467
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.200
I was so excited and we sat on the floor

468
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.839
and ate pizza and watched it from start to finish.

469
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.119
And I still remember though, Mom being really into it,

470
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.119
but a few times turning and be like this doesn't

471
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:47.759
scare you, and I'd be like, no, I'm terrified. So anyway,

472
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.119
like I yeah, So I remember renting this, watching it

473
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.920
by myself, being very disturbed but loving it. And from

474
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:57.599
then on, even though I saw it very young, so

475
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.880
I didn't remember a ton of it like five years later,

476
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.720
I mean, you remember how it made you feel. It.

477
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.680
I always held it in high reverence as like a

478
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.440
kind of like secret. I really liked it. Some people

479
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.640
didn't that's their problem kind of thing.

480
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:16.000
Yeah. Yeah, so you were like the the the hipster kid,

481
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.039
like I discovered it before. It was cool.

482
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.480
Almost, but it was more it was sadder than that.

483
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.119
It was more just like I know a lot of

484
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.799
other people don't like that, but I really like it,

485
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.920
so I don't care. Yeah, it were lost because I

486
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:32.160
didn't know people liked it until I was almost eighteen

487
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:33.759
years old. Is when I found out like that it

488
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.240
had a cult following. I mean, but a lot of

489
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.200
horror movie trends, like people loving Event Horizon people, you

490
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.480
know what people hated when I was a teenager and

491
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:46.400
now they have massive love for Texas Chainsaw Massacre two.

492
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.680
It was considered like what the hell is this when

493
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.039
I was a kid, really by like the average goer,

494
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.519
but the big one that people still try to deny

495
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.160
Halloween three. People were just like what the hell is

496
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.240
Halloween three? And then like five or six years later

497
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:04.480
it became it's great. I mean, like they discovered how

498
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.839
good it was. But like Halloween three and Texas Chancela

499
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.440
two were things that I loved very young and I

500
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.920
couldn't believe other people didn't ye and then one day,

501
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.759
I was like, Oh, everybody's with me. Now I'll take it.

502
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.200
I'll take it. So we're gonna take a quick break,

503
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.319
and then I want you to talk about the first time.

504
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.680
I'm assuming I showed you Event Horizon right after this,

505
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:42.160
So this time we watched it last night on the new,

506
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.759
brand new four K, which looked gorgeous. Not that the

507
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.319
Blu ray was lacking to begin with, but that four

508
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.720
K is just sick, is sick. But I assume, like

509
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.200
I joked before the break, that I was the one

510
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.559
who showed it to you in the first place, because

511
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.119
I knew that wasn't your first time watching.

512
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.920
It obviously, Yeah, oh yeah.

513
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.839
We've watched so many movies for the like for your

514
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.759
first time, it can be a little hard for me

515
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.400
to know. So do you have much of a memory

516
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.519
of that first time I showed it to you?

517
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:13.640
I think I do, because I think that was that

518
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:19.440
was kind of the moment, the Eureka moment when you realized, like,

519
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:24.440
just how rabid I can get for sci fi?

520
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.079
Oh yeah? DEEPII I am well. And for those who

521
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.000
don't know, the way I define deep sci fi is

522
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.240
once you're talking about a usually there're books very few

523
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.440
deep sci fi movies exist because deep sci fi like

524
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:39.799
there aren't even humans.

525
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.759
Yeah, yeah, no, I I am like there are no humans.

526
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:45.400
Yeah.

527
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.960
Like the more theoretical you get, the more I'm into it. Yeah. So,

528
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:58.039
if I remember correctly, you and I had like you'd

529
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.279
been you'd been kind of introducing me to different horror movies,

530
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:05.759
and we'd gotten to like the slasher movies, and it

531
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.480
was about the point we've gotten through like, of course,

532
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:14.079
the Halloween franchise, or at least most of it, because

533
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.960
there's a lot. We'd gotten through a lot of Nightmare

534
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:21.599
on Elm Street, we'd gotten through a lot of I

535
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.920
think we'd started on Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and you were

536
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.359
kind of wondering, like where to go next, And I

537
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:34.240
had mentioned being interested in like hell Raiser, but I'd

538
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:40.400
also mentioned, like, really, my broadest exposure to a lot

539
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:45.039
of themes in horror would come from like old literature

540
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:51.680
like Poe or like Lovecraft, and that kind of perked

541
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.200
your interest. So you showed me in the Mouth of Madness.

542
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:57.839
Yeah, which in the Mouth of Madness because it stars

543
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:01.599
Sam Neil and it is super duper scary and it's

544
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.240
about like insanity and Dark Forces. They're a very good

545
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.920
double feature. They are Event Horizon and In the Mouth

546
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:08.480
of Madness.

547
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.000
And that's that's what kind of got you onto it

548
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.839
is after we watch after we finished In the Mouth

549
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.440
of Madness, I was like, oh my god, that was

550
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.680
so fucking fantastic. I like I would watch it all

551
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.599
over again. And You're like, well, how do you feel

552
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.279
about sci fi? What about like we what if we

553
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.680
watch Event Horizon? I was like, I love sci fi.

554
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.759
And then when when we got done with that, that

555
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.640
was that was kind of like became your mission of like, Okay,

556
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:39.880
all of the tent pole sci fi horror movies is

557
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.440
what we're going to be watching next. So that was

558
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.200
that was that sounds.

559
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.920
That sounds right to me. And and I want to

560
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.519
mention real quick in case I accidentally teased too much.

561
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.039
I got on a on another tirade and left out

562
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.279
some of the other notable Space franchise shifts. The most

563
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.000
famous one is Jason X in Space. Have I shown

564
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:01.240
you that?

565
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:01.880
Yes?

566
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.960
I have the four K now it just came out.

567
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.920
I love Jason X. I saw that in the theater

568
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.680
four times. I think it's it is really is like

569
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.000
Star Trek with Jason in it just enough. It is

570
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.799
not enough to be sued, but just enough. There is

571
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.200
a great part where it says, kn't you just like

572
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.079
beam us out of here? And he goes, beam, what

573
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.440
does beam mean? And I just thought that was so funny.

574
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319
It's so good that, you know, because she's from our time,

575
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.559
so it's like, oh right, that was science fiction. The

576
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.240
reality is like gonna be different, yeah than that. But

577
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.480
also Leprechaun Leprechawn four is in space. Oh really, I

578
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.160
believe it's four, not three. But Critters four is in

579
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.519
space as well, which is funny because they come from space,

580
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.319
so they end up in space. It adds up. So

581
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.759
those are the most famous examples of big budget are

582
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:58.200
well loved. Sometimes big budget franchise is going the way

583
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.880
of space, and that became a running joke because of

584
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.880
these these franchises that were less well loved, because like

585
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.440
the Redheaded Stepchild of horror franchises were Hell Raiser, which

586
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.200
I think only the first three went to theaters, or

587
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:15.480
it might have only been the first two. I think

588
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.559
it was the first three. H Then you know, you

589
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.200
had Children in the Corn, which I think only the

590
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:24.559
first two went to theaters. You had Gremlins or not Gremlins, Critters,

591
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.519
which again I think only the first two went into theaters,

592
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.119
like a lot of those went straight to video eventually,

593
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.440
and and Leprechaun, which only the first two I believe

594
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.319
went to theaters at least massively wide. So it became

595
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.599
kind of a joke like, oh, the lesser franchises, these

596
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.079
ones that ended up going direct to video, they all

597
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.359
end up in Space and by all three, which is

598
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.160
still quite a few. So then when Jason went to Space,

599
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.359
everybody's like, oh my god, that would become the parody

600
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.880
idea of jumping the Shark was going to space, and

601
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:54.680
Jason's like, We're going to Space.

602
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.640
We're doing it.

603
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.000
I'll never forget. When that trailer dropped for them with

604
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.160
Jason and Space for Jason X and for again, people

605
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.200
were like this is so lame, and then like let

606
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.200
the bodies hit the floor started like blaring while all

607
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:11.920
the crazy stuff was happening, and I was like, need, need,

608
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.880
Because it got shelved for several years. Really, oh, we

609
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.799
sat waiting for forever. I actually I actually saw it

610
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.599
off a bootleg before because it had leaked like a

611
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.599
year or two before it came out, so I watched

612
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.319
it on a VCD. Anyway, manimal, my back hurts. I'm

613
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.480
thirty nine years young now, baby, but no, but yeah,

614
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.839
So anyway, that was just a quick I wanted to

615
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.279
mention that stuff because I had teased I was going

616
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.240
to mention like my knowledge of all this in spaces,

617
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.359
and but then it became, like a lot of things,

618
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.759
it went from being like a cringe like ug to

619
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.680
a hope. So I remember like the whole era where

620
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.599
people were like, God, when is Freddy gonna go to space? Like,

621
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:58.400
come on, we're waiting. It's been so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

622
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:04.240
And sometimes I missed that, that that simplistic existence, you know,

623
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.319
when they're like, oh god, what is the next you know,

624
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.480
what is the next Saw movie going to be? I'm like,

625
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.039
just go to space already, shut up us.

626
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.280
Jigsaw in space? That would be so sick.

627
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.239
It would be hard, though, because I don't think you've

628
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:19.320
seen all the Saw movies.

629
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.480
I haven't seen any. Actually, oh well, that's why that's

630
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.719
why I thought it was so funny, is because I don't.

631
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.880
Know the Jigsaw himself is like a corporeal human being,

632
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:33.159
So getting the concepts into space would require a lot

633
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.559
of thought and efforts. Yeah, he's not like immortal or something.

634
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.400
That's that's the best I can do without being a

635
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:41.599
big fat spoiler. Because we got to watch the Saw movies.

636
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.360
Maybe we'll make that our October goal is to watch

637
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.920
like all the Saws. Okay, but you know who needs

638
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.199
to be in space and it makes perfect sense in

639
00:34:50.239 --> 00:35:04.679
every way. Who? I'll tell you right after this. All right,

640
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.960
so now we'll talk. Okay, Now, I'm not going to

641
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:10.239
leave you on that hand. I'm not going to not

642
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.559
say no, the perfect thing to go to space is

643
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.519
Final Destination.

644
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:22.480
Oh yeah, No, you're absolutely a million percent correct.

645
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.400
That's why I was so confident when I when I

646
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.000
started saying it, is like yeah, because because like that's perfect.

647
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.079
It's because what can go wrong in space everything, which

648
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.880
is a perfect segue into where we're headed. So Event

649
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.199
Horizon is a is basically about a ship called the

650
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:48.119
event Horizon, which uses an event horizon to travel faster

651
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:53.960
than light. And it's disappeared. The ship disappeared, and now

652
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.360
we're hanging out with a doctor played by Sam Neil

653
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.239
whose name is Weir. And the reason I were remember

654
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.559
that is because I was like, oh yeah, like the

655
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.960
guy who wrote The Martian. His last name is I

656
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.599
think he's Yeah. Yeah, so doctor Weir, who built the

657
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.519
Event Horizon. We're following him as he gets on board

658
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.039
a ship called the Lewis and Clark, and we're in

659
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.000
some future era I'm not sure exactly. Yep, I found

660
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.159
it right when you Yeah, we're in twenty forty seven.

661
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.239
And these are astronauts that seem to be like almost

662
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.079
like maybe I might be using the term wrong, but

663
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.920
like merchant Marines, they are not they're not military, like

664
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.960
they don't fight, but they know how to fight. Yeah,

665
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.079
but they're mostly about taking ships from point A to

666
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.719
point B and point A to point B and doing

667
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.039
all kinds of space yeah. Well, and just transportation is

668
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.079
just dangerous in space.

669
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.079
Everything is dangerous in space? Are you kidding?

670
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.440
I mean, I'm always kidding, but you're also right. So,

671
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.559
and they're going to go out because apparently it's super

672
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.119
classified in top secret, but they figured out where the

673
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.880
Event Horizon is and it's just outside of Tune, yeah,

674
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.599
which is pretty far away, so far in fact that

675
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:11.559
the captain Captain Miller played by Lawrence Laurence Fishburne points

676
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.880
out when Sam Neil's character is trying to be kind

677
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.920
of he's trying to not be lackadaisical. He's trying to

678
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.880
just be a little less than serious. Like he's trying

679
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.639
to be casual is a good word, you know, by

680
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.239
saying like, well you have to say it's like, sir,

681
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.880
please understand with no disrespect. The last time a was

682
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:30.559
it the last time a rescue mission was sent this

683
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.159
far from the nearest outpost, all both ships were lost,

684
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.679
So could you just tell us what we're doing? Yeah? Yeah,

685
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.920
I love that moment though, because it's like that's that

686
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.639
momentere you're like, yeah, what they do is already really dangerous,

687
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.400
and now they're doing something insanely dangerous that they're not

688
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.519
even allowed to know much about why they're doing it.

689
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.360
It's kind of a big deal. It's rough, it's a

690
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:50.880
big deal.

691
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.000
And as far as the ship goes, I believe the crew.

692
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:58.679
We have Kathleen Quinlan as Peters. She's a medical technician,

693
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:03.760
Jolie Richard we mentioned, who's a Lieutenant mL Stark, she's

694
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.639
a communications officer, Richard T. Jones, who's TF Coodfer. He's

695
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.800
the rescue technician of Lewis and Clark Jack Knows Where

696
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.679
who plays ensign FM Justin he's the chief engineer. Jason

697
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.280
Isaac who is DJ. He's the medical doctor, although he

698
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.719
refers to himself simply as trauma because you know that's

699
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:29.159
what he is. And Sean Pertwee plays w F. Smitty

700
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.239
Smith just known as Smitty most of the time, and

701
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.000
he's the pilot of the Lewis and Clark. All of

702
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.440
these characters are really interesting. They all have they all

703
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:42.239
have something to notice that's worth noticing. Like it's a

704
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.320
really good cast, really well cast team.

705
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.679
Yeah, and there it's you know, it's the mid nineties,

706
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.239
so you're you're kind of primed and ready for the

707
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.599
characters to all be like you know, similar to hal

708
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.920
Razor bloodline, to be kind of like campy or something.

709
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:08.360
But overall, they're all very believable and very well fleshed out,

710
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:16.280
which is incredibly important to the plot and to the scares.

711
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.119
Well and to the tension of just the idea of

712
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.159
like you want to see these people make at home.

713
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:29.559
Yeah, because they're real people to you. So like doctor

714
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:36.639
Peters just the relationship that the movie kind of shows

715
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:42.559
with is it her son or daughter son that you know,

716
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.280
really pulls at your heart strings. And then you know

717
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:52.679
Captain Miller Lawrence fish Burn's character, what he's gone through

718
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.800
as as we learn more about his character, because at first,

719
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.239
at first you're just kind of like, wow, he's just

720
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:03.400
like the gruff space captain, the no nonsense kind of guy.

721
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.639
And then as the movie progresses, you start to realize like, no,

722
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.719
he's actually he's fighting demons and there's reasons in his

723
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.360
past for why he is the way.

724
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.440
He is, and he's very intense. He's very obviously demanding

725
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.880
because he's a captain of a ship mm hmm. But

726
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.239
everything he says, every demand he makes, is very clearly

727
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.199
in the interest of his crew. Yeah, it's very clear

728
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.960
that while they're close, the crew and the mission are

729
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:35.639
not tied.

730
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:36.480
Yeah.

731
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.599
The crew is first, the mission is a very very

732
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.480
close second. Yeah, So which makes sense too. I mean,

733
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.119
if you're flying a spaceship deep into space all the time,

734
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.599
your crew becomes everything to you. It's just like any

735
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.199
other like uh, you know, like military thing where you

736
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.119
have a team mm hmm. You become everything to each other.

737
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.599
You are you know, that's what Stars is all about.

738
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.800
You know, when when a season of start or a

739
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.480
series of Star trek ends. The big thing is like,

740
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.119
oh yeah, everybody like loves each other because they've been

741
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.280
around each other so much. Yeah, so and when but

742
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.000
especially in things like military stuff, I mean, you literally

743
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:17.400
live and die by your team, so it's super important.

744
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.400
It's super important, and he expresses it so believably.

745
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.920
M hmm. That's That's what I really love about this is.

746
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.440
You know, we were talking last night as we as

747
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.920
we were watching the movie, where we were talking about how,

748
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.400
like a so much of this movie, especially for like

749
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:44.079
the first act, is really all about the performance between

750
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.000
all of the all of the actors, because if any

751
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.159
one of them would have been phoning it in or

752
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.719
would have made it feel like hacky or campy, then

753
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.800
the whole thing would have fallen apart for the rest

754
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.480
of the movie. But all of them were very believable

755
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.440
in their roles. And that's also what I really liked

756
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:09.760
is the the difference in approach and mindset between doctor

757
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.800
Weir and all of the rest of the crew, because

758
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.159
the rest of the crew like is very much from

759
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.360
the moment they get out of like hyperspace or whatever,

760
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.400
not hyperspace, but you know, but.

761
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.639
They're traveling in there in stasis sleep for like fifty

762
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:26.559
six days, I think it will.

763
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.079
Yeah, So the moment they're out of space stasis, they're

764
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.079
all like immediately locked in and you know, ready for danger.

765
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.480
And doctor Weir meanwhile like this is just fun and

766
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:40.119
games to.

767
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:44.559
Him, Well, well it isn't. It isn't. And that's kind

768
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.960
of the interesting dichotomy of doctor Weir. And we'll talk

769
00:42:48.000 --> 00:43:01.960
about that more right after this. When it comes to

770
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:08.000
doctor Weir, he has the bizarre element which makes the

771
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.000
audience think, like what's with him? Of the fact that

772
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.519
he is like a little playful, a little theatrical, I

773
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:15.920
think would be a good word for it, Like he

774
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.039
wants to tell a story. He wants to he wants

775
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:21.639
to oddly connect on a human in a human way,

776
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.119
even though they're going into like seriously dangerous mission. But

777
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.119
yet like when he goes into Stacy's sleep, he has

778
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:32.440
like horrific nightmares. He wakes up from stasis like screaming, yeah.

779
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.039
And they're in like a water tank basically that that

780
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.119
keeps you, you know, asleep while you while the ship

781
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.639
travels for fifty six days or whatever amount of time

782
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.519
is necessary. That way, the crew doesn't require much oxygen,

783
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.920
basically any food or any water to some extent or

784
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.400
much much less, which allows the makes it, you know,

785
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.000
possible to travel to travel so far. So it is

786
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.599
fascinating to me that they show him having these like

787
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:04.840
truly mortifying nightmares that are you know, I mean, they're

788
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:09.519
just so terrifying in an upsetting Yeah, they do that,

789
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.519
and then he's the one who wants to like flourishly,

790
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.840
flourishingly tell them like, here's why we're doing this, here's

791
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.679
why the ship does this and this, and they're yeah,

792
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:21.639
their attitude is just like, look, we could die out

793
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.000
here doing this. Could you just tell us what we're

794
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.719
doing so we can get back to work. Yeah, And

795
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.559
then there's that one part I love when Laurence Fishburne's

796
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:32.320
character is the one of the uh, the female crew members.

797
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:33.880
I forget which one off the top of my head,

798
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.599
but I think it was the one with the sun.

799
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.960
But she notices him, like he falls out, like screaming

800
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:42.599
and stuff. So she grabs onto him and like tells

801
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.199
him like you're okay, You're okay, it's fine.

802
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.400
You know.

803
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.119
She's trying to calm him down, and she's like, let's

804
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.800
get him some coffee. Let's you know whatever, and she

805
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.039
said while she's helping him, Laurence Fishburne comes in there

806
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.719
and he's like and he tells her like, I need

807
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.239
you to get to the bridge. And she's like, well,

808
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.400
do you mind if I put on some clothes first,

809
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.000
because she's they're all wearing like the women are in

810
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.880
like sports bras, and the guy or in like you know,

811
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:04.079
like tidy whities basically, and she's like, do you mind

812
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.840
if I get dress words He's like, I do mind?

813
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.639
Actually to the bridge now, and I was like, fucking e,

814
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.679
Like yeah, because they're not playing around. They're in space, yeah,

815
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.119
you know, and and they their survival recounts relies on

816
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.760
not only their equipment being right, but they're people being right.

817
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.320
So I love that moment of like the fact I

818
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.719
do mind. It's like, that's the kind of ship you're on.

819
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.960
You'll end up in the bridge in your skivvies if

820
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.199
you're wasting too much time.

821
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.199
Yeah, don't don't waste time.

822
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:33.719
Well, and that's the thing when you're on a when

823
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.079
you're I mean, not that I know personally, I've never

824
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.920
served anything other than like some ice cream to friends,

825
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.679
but like, but when you're on a ship like that,

826
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:49.199
I mean you are, there's no your off time is designated. Yeah. Yeah,

827
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.159
but generally speaking, unless you're on shore leave or whatever,

828
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.239
you are working. Like that's why. That's why when you

829
00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.599
do like oil rig work, that's why you make so

830
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.440
much money. Is like you live to do that job

831
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.599
every day of the week except for a designated day off.

832
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.280
So like you should expect to wake up, eat breakfast,

833
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.159
do that job all day long, and have maybe an

834
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.199
hour before you can't keep your eyes open anymore, and

835
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.400
then back to it. That's why you make good money. Yeah,

836
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.559
And that's why, and that's why the turnover is so high.

837
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.920
So yeah, I just love that. And I've always heard

838
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.480
that Supposedly the first cut of Event Horizon was like

839
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.760
one hundred and thirty minutes and the studio chopped the

840
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.159
hell out of it because the version that everyone knows

841
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:34.719
is ninety five minutes long.

842
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.519
Yeah, well, you and I You and I had actually

843
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.920
like commented on that several times last night. House felt

844
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.480
the movie is how it moves along at a great clip,

845
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.960
but it never feels rushed. It just it just kind

846
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.400
of feels like this is the movie we're telling the

847
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.320
whole story and then the end. But I have heard

848
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:03.159
that there's a much longer, much goorier version, and I

849
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.840
kind of wonder, like I wonder if it would be

850
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.800
magnified or diluted because of the longer run time.

851
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.800
Yeah, that's and that's always the question though. That's always

852
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.480
the question with director's cuts, extended cuts, unrated cuts, is

853
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.800
like does it actually make the movie work less because

854
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.159
you know it this way? Yeah, and sometimes it does

855
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.519
hurt them. And I will say because one thing that

856
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.639
stuck out, stuck out to me, having not seen the

857
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:34.079
movie for a year or two, was Yeah, like we

858
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.639
are right in and the crew is sitting there talking

859
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:38.960
and being explained to what event horizon is like within

860
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.320
ten minutes, you really learn so much about the crew

861
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.639
in such a short amount of time before they are

862
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.000
outside of Neptune getting ready to discover unspeakable horrors beyond

863
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.039
all human recognitions.

864
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:57.239
Yeah, yeah, no wasted movement. And there's one thing that

865
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.960
I noticed the second watch through, because you know, the

866
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.719
first time, I was a new new baby to horror,

867
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.440
so I really hadn't like learned the medium. I hadn't learned,

868
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.000
you know, kind of the pacing that it generally follows.

869
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.360
But one thing that I noticed this second go around

870
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:26.360
is it utilizes jump scares a lot, but it manages

871
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:32.000
to keep them fresh throughout the whole movie. Definitely, so

872
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.719
you never, you know, I mean, every single time there

873
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.760
is a jump scare, and again there's a lot, you

874
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.880
feel like it's still adding something to the plot. It

875
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.559
doesn't just feel like they're doing it just because they're

876
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.559
being lazy, which I feel some horror kind of gets

877
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:52.920
into that area.

878
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:53.840
Mm.

879
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.639
Yeah, I mean it could for sure.

880
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.719
So that's that's one thing that I like is, you know,

881
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.000
it's starts with the jump scares with Doctor Weir's like

882
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:08.880
visions when he is in the you know, kind of stasis,

883
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.159
and every single time there's a jump scare, it reveals

884
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:17.480
something about the characters or reveals something about the event

885
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.400
horizon itself, And that's kind of pretty cool way to

886
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:22.119
go about it.

887
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.480
Yeah, I would have to agree very much. And the

888
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.639
characters really, I mean I've said it before and I'll

889
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.159
say it again, they really are what kind of make

890
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:30.760
it all saying.

891
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.599
So yeah, no, I absolutely agree, and it is it

892
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.400
is getting to learn them through their fears is a

893
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:44.800
very interesting way that the movie stays fresh because not

894
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.159
only are we learning about the characters, you know, as

895
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:51.440
they're exploring the Event Horizon and as they're kind of

896
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.880
learning what's going on, but we're also learning a lot

897
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.360
about them just how they interact with and how they

898
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.679
cope with with the unmitigated terror that they're facing.

899
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.320
Yeah, and as we start to talk about when they

900
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.320
arrive and see the Event Horizon and begin their plans

901
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.360
to go in and see if anyone's alive and find

902
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.199
out what happened to it. That is where as I've

903
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.760
always loved to say some kind of shit hits some

904
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.880
kind or the shit hits some kind of fan And

905
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:38.880
we'll get to that right after this. So the crew

906
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.079
of the Lewis and Clark has found the Event Horizon

907
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:48.719
just out by Neptune and things are getting a little hairy.

908
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.800
So they've just found the ship, and first doctor Weir

909
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.559
has to explain like what makes it so special, which

910
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.199
is very nice because he's the one that invented it

911
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.039
and designed it.

912
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.199
Which is how we find that out, because then they're like,

913
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.079
they're like, so you know, I forget they say they

914
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.199
asked some question about it. He says, I built it.

915
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.480
Yeah, like I built it.

916
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:12.800
It wasn't something like how do you know all this?

917
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.360
Because of course he would know all this because he's

918
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.519
the briefed person on the mission. But they I forget

919
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.360
exactly what they said. They asked a question, he said,

920
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:19.159
I built it. Yeah.

921
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.719
Yeah, Well I think it was kind of like why,

922
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.119
like what do you want to do with it? Because

923
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.039
that's the thing is it does The movie does set

924
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.159
up that the Event Horizon seven years ago, when the

925
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:37.039
ship disappeared, that was literally the worst disaster in space ever,

926
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.519
and so nobody knew about well they didn't know what

927
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.280
happened to it. They just knew that it was a

928
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.760
huge disaster, right, I thought that's what the text at

929
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:46.559
the beginning said.

930
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.079
They didn't know what the Event Horizon was.

931
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.599
Okay, maybe I'm misremembered.

932
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:55.679
Well no, it's what I'm saying is it was top secret, right, Like, no, no,

933
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.400
it was one of the biggest disasters, but nobody knew

934
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.599
about it. Like the crew didn't know about it, Okay,

935
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.920
on Horizon. I mean they may have heard like a

936
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.079
whisper of like a ship disappeared or whatever, but like

937
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.519
they didn't know what the event Horizon was because that

938
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.599
was totally a secret m because they were experimenting with

939
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.119
technology that you know.

940
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.599
No one, no one even thought possible.

941
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.840
Well, and I'm sure that there there are probably people

942
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:19.679
they don't want to know about it. I would just

943
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.079
I would just assume. So, yeah, no, that's the thing

944
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:23.760
is like it was one of the worst things ever happened.

945
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.719
It was also generally a secret mm hmm.

946
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.280
And that's why he has to explain it. And it's

947
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.440
kind of fun because, uh, you know, oftentimes as scientists does.

948
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.239
He he starts trying to explain it and he's using all

949
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:40.559
of these big technical jargon terms and everyone's like, we

950
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.840
don't even understand that. And one of the guys was like,

951
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.639
do you even speak English? And he's like, okay, So

952
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:46.800
he explains.

953
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.079
You know, Layman's terms. Layman's terms speak English. Yeah, it's

954
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:50.920
such a great line.

955
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.039
And so he explains, like the way the ship functions

956
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.320
is instead of going faster than light, it creates a

957
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.800
gateway and it bends space time around the gateway, travels

958
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.239
through the gate, and then once it exits the gate,

959
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.360
space time goes back to normal, which, of course is

960
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.360
just as excusing as or just as a confusing as

961
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:21.480
the technical science jumbo mumbo jumbo. But as they're as

962
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:26.639
they're getting ready to get onto the ship, they find

963
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:31.280
a recording that is absolutely horrendous and it's just got

964
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.880
you know, wailing and screaming, and they can hear what

965
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.519
sounds like a voice, and it sounds like it's possibly

966
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.599
speaking Latin mm hm like it, and it sounds like

967
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:48.199
it says liberate me, which which translates to save me.

968
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:56.320
So that kind of spurs them on because what they

969
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.199
understand their mission is is they need to find the

970
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.239
event horizon, which they just did, and then they need

971
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:05.159
to figure out what happened to it and where it went.

972
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.840
And they possible anybody survived.

973
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:11.559
Yeah, and rescue any survivors, which again it's been seven years,

974
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.679
so that's a tall order, but that's that's what they

975
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.360
need to do. So getting a recording, no matter how

976
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:23.039
terrifying it is, that says save me is a reason

977
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:26.719
for them to kind of really stoke the fire and

978
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:31.800
get the rescue going. So I believe that it's mostly

979
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.920
doctor Weir has to stay on their ship for a

980
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.519
while and it's the rest of the crew.

981
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.880
He's not experienced anything going into potentially hazardous environments and

982
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.159
stuff like that. So he's watching the video coming from

983
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.199
their the spacesuits. Of the two of the I think

984
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:47.719
it was just one person goes in first.

985
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.599
No, No, there were multiple No, there was multiples because they

986
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:54.320
all split up, which of course is you know, stereotypical

987
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.960
haunted house horror trope. Let's go into the haunted house. Now,

988
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.760
let's all split up. Can go wrong.

989
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.039
There's another reason other than the message that they're going

990
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.920
on the ship. They're getting a life signal, but it's

991
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:06.880
not specific.

992
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.840
Oh that's right. They keep getting life readings and it's

993
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:10.679
just like scattered.

994
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.480
The entire ship is like scat has like minor, like

995
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.000
mild readings. So they're like, well, we can't pinpoint where

996
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.079
it is, but there's life on the ship.

997
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:19.320
Mm.

998
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.639
So that's the other reason. They're like, we can't not

999
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.159
get on board.

1000
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.880
Yeah at all. We kind of have to because again

1001
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:30.320
that's one of their orders is to search for survivors.

1002
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.440
So when they when they finally get on the ship,

1003
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.280
one of the first things that you know that I

1004
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.039
noticed the first time, but I've really noticed it again

1005
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:46.239
watching it after having watched Fire in the Sky last

1006
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.599
week is how dirty and grimy the spaceships are, which

1007
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:58.880
is such amazing storytelling, just a way of signifying like,

1008
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.079
not only has time I have not only as time passed,

1009
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:05.599
but enough time is passed that things have started to

1010
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.719
you know, decay and trash is everywhere.

1011
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.440
And the design is generally.

1012
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:16.760
Gothic Yeah, yeah, which is again a very very beautiful

1013
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.400
touch and a really cool way of paying homage to

1014
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:29.239
the kind of Lovecraftian ideas that get played with in

1015
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:30.000
this movie.

1016
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.239
Well, and I mean for many, for all intents and purposes,

1017
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.559
it is a haunted house movie. I mean down to

1018
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.039
the fact that Jupiter has a constant as a gas

1019
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.000
giant has like constant storms. Yeah. And when they get

1020
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:47.719
on the event horizon, there's literally lightning going off outside

1021
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:48.360
the windows.

1022
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.679
Yeah, which is so great.

1023
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:56.320
Oh it's perfect. It's so breakin' perfect, because at no point.

1024
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:00.000
Are you like really lightning in space. You're just like, oh,

1025
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.199
it's so it's so spooky and like you you and

1026
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.119
I even joked about it. I was like, yeah, but

1027
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.360
Nebula like are basically just big giant storms in space,

1028
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.519
and like there's lots of weird systems that you could

1029
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.920
travel through that it would it would be like a

1030
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.519
big lightning storm or a big thunderstorm.

1031
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.719
Well on the planet below them, there's literally what appears

1032
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:27.039
to be a gigantic hurricane just zooming around the planet

1033
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:28.559
non stop, which.

1034
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.440
Again gas giant like and that's that Again. That's one

1035
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.360
of the reasons that I love the merger of horror

1036
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.360
and sci fi is you don't even have to lie

1037
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.360
all that much to make space utterly terrifying. Yeah, all

1038
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.760
you have to do is tell the truth of Like, yeah,

1039
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.519
and there's a giant hurricane on the surface of Jupiter

1040
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:56.039
that's been going on for like four billion years. That's

1041
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.519
not okay.

1042
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:03.079
That's fun. Good to know. Oh, so we've built up

1043
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:07.159
the atmosphere a bit as far as the ship goes,

1044
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.280
but we haven't really gone into everything they see. You

1045
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.800
mentioned that it is dirty, but of course there's no

1046
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.920
gravity in the ship. And just in case you've literally

1047
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:18.360
never seen event Horizon, there is gravity on the ship

1048
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.519
they were coming up in. So they have some form

1049
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.519
of artificial gravity that they use on their ships just

1050
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:26.000
in case. You know, if you've never seen it, you

1051
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.440
might think they're floating around all the time. But when

1052
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.079
they get on this ship. They have magnetic boots so

1053
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.639
that they can walk around and see, you know, what's

1054
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.039
going on here and all the flotsam and jetsam that's

1055
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:41.480
moving around. But one of the first flotsams or jetsams

1056
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.679
is something you really hope you wouldn't find, and we'll

1057
00:58:45.679 --> 00:59:00.280
tell you all about it right after this. As there

1058
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:03.840
walking along, one of the astronauts gets hit in the

1059
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:09.159
helmet by a severed arm. Oh yeah, the arm and

1060
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:14.880
everything everything is frozen because it's the temperature of space,

1061
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.719
so the arm is frozen. And then they discover a

1062
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.159
corpse that's frozen. And while all this is going on,

1063
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.119
one of the younger members of the team whose name

1064
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.840
I forget, the one that they call baby Bear, baby Bear,

1065
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:34.400
baby Bear, he goes down through engineering, and of course

1066
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.159
doctor Weir is standing around telling them where to go,

1067
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.519
because he knows the ship in every way. You know,

1068
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:40.760
he could say like, and the you're gonna go through

1069
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.119
this corridor mega left, that's ops besides this, and that's engineering.

1070
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.440
And when they're going through the engineering area, there's a

1071
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.800
hallway through it that literally looks like they describe it

1072
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.519
as it looks like a meat grinder. It's just this

1073
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:59.000
this insane spinning metal hell.

1074
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.760
It's it's very much like in the Haunted Houses, those

1075
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.199
long spinning tunnels. Oh yeah, that we went through. Yeah

1076
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.719
you you were like absolutely delighted when when they showed

1077
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.480
that tunnel. But it is very similar, and it's it's

1078
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:18.239
just as effective because it's so disorienting, especially as they're floating.

1079
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.599
Oh yeah, or you know, kind of floating kind of

1080
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.840
walking because they've got the magnetic boots. But yeah, So

1081
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:33.079
so Justin starts going down that long hallway and he's

1082
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:39.119
being guided, he's being guided verbally by weird and then

1083
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.639
something kind of happens that like there's a big shock wave,

1084
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.079
isn't there or and then the cameras go out, so

1085
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.039
they can't really see each other, they can't see what's

1086
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:57.800
going on, and that kind of that, isn't that when

1087
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.039
the guy gets sucked.

1088
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.719
In, Well, he walks up to it.

1089
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.159
Oh, he walks up to the.

1090
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.079
Event horizon and it's just it looks, honestly like the

1091
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.760
stargate and stargate it's just like this portal and the

1092
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.719
middle of it looks almost like it's liquid. And he

1093
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.679
had pointed out that there was liquid floating all over engineering,

1094
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.000
which appeared to be coolant that had leaked.

1095
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.519
I forgot. He did mention that it was the cool one.

1096
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.039
Yeah, there's cool and everywhere because when he goes to

1097
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:27.840
like check the stations and stuff, he's wiping it off

1098
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.920
of everything. And as he walks up to the event horizon,

1099
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.519
the literal event horizon, it's just a it looks like

1100
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.760
just a gateway, and he decides to like peek in

1101
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:41.239
to see what the hell it is, and he gets

1102
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.360
pulled through and he's on a tether and the tether

1103
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.280
starts pulling like crazy, which tells one of the shipmates

1104
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.760
that he's got to get suited and go in there

1105
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.360
and get him. Yeah, and this is really the beginning

1106
01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:02.280
of the of like all literal, figurative speculative hell breaking

1107
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:06.760
loose because he goes in there and we see these crazy,

1108
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.280
kind of almost MTV music video style flashes of like

1109
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:17.159
insane violence, a world that looks like it's nothing but

1110
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:23.480
pillars of human bodies writhing and suffering. Yeah, it is

1111
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:25.679
a hell of a thing to see.

1112
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:32.119
Yeah, and it does it kind of blends, well, it's

1113
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.679
not blending because it's the same thing, but it's very

1114
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:41.280
clive Barker and just old Christian imagery of hell. It's

1115
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.639
all very similar to it. But there's a lot of

1116
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:47.519
sci fi in it too, because there's you know, again

1117
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.159
with the jump scares and with the just flashes, there

1118
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.480
will be a few frames where it's like, oh, there's

1119
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:58.079
just like space, and then there's the writing human body parts,

1120
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:03.639
and then there's you know, more like dismembered bodies, and

1121
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:07.599
then there's like a black hole, and so you can

1122
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.199
never you can never know exactly what kind of visions

1123
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.800
of terror you're gonna see. It doesn't ever get stale

1124
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.679
because you're constantly getting like these back and forth.

1125
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:25.000
Well, and because as they rescue baby Bear from that

1126
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:28.280
portal and after they leave with him to get him

1127
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:32.039
into medical to see what's up with him, it closes.

1128
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.800
And as the crew gets on board the event Horizon

1129
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.559
itself the ship to kind of figure out what's going on,

1130
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.760
a few other things happen. They're worth noting discovering a

1131
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.280
frozen corpse, you know, in the bridge they do turn

1132
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.239
the gravity on, yeah, which causes one of the most

1133
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.960
shocking scenes where the body parts, like when they fall,

1134
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:59.079
they just shatter because they were frozen completely solid. Lots

1135
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:05.039
of really nuts moments. But when Weir as talking to

1136
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.920
them and he says, like I pulled him out of there.

1137
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.440
It was open, He's like he can't have been open.

1138
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:11.639
It can only be open if it's activated, and it

1139
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:14.599
hasn't been activated in seven years, Like it can't be open.

1140
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.599
And he's like it was open. And it's a great

1141
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:20.880
moment where which sells Fishburne's character really well too, because

1142
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:23.880
he says like, but it can't be open. He's like,

1143
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.719
I saw that it was fucking open, and Fishburn's like,

1144
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.679
you're out of line, and then he turns to Weird

1145
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:33.400
He's like, I believe him, like like it's you know,

1146
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.119
He's like, you're out of line. And that's a big

1147
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:37.840
thing he's constantly saying too, is He's like he'll he'll

1148
01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:39.639
constantly knock you down. It's like you need to calm

1149
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.800
him down right now. You are right like we're all

1150
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.800
gonna die, but you are calm and cool right now.

1151
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:46.599
Yeah.

1152
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.079
So and I And that's a really great moment too,

1153
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:50.639
where he's just like I believe him because because when

1154
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:51.800
they say, like, what do you think it could be?

1155
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:56.199
And doctor Weir is just like he's hallucinated it or

1156
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:02.000
you know, he's he's delusional or whatever. It's like no, yeah,

1157
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.039
but he's right though, that like that that shouldn't be open.

1158
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.639
I mean it shouldn't and when they walk in there,

1159
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.719
it just is, it doesn't open up. Yeah, the first

1160
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.000
time we see the event horizon, the first time we

1161
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:16.400
see it is open. It's just sitting there quietly open.

1162
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.599
And because then we find out after this that in reality,

1163
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:22.960
the event horizon, it's so confusing because that is literally

1164
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.280
what the thing is and what the ship is, that

1165
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:29.000
it is actually being contained in this like metal sphere

1166
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.920
with these these pieces of metal that like swoop around

1167
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:36.199
it constantly to keep it contained. Yeah, so that's actually

1168
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.639
its its normal state when it's not active. Is it's

1169
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.199
supposed to sit there and kind of gros. Yeah, they

1170
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:43.639
look like gyroscopes. You're absolutely right.

1171
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:44.320
Yeah.

1172
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:46.840
So so now we're starting to notice a lot of

1173
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.519
weird things. But then on top of that, the medical assistant,

1174
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.000
she is in the sick bay trying to take care

1175
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:57.159
of baby Bear, and she gets images of her son,

1176
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.440
but he's been horribly mutilated and when she looks back,

1177
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:06.599
he's gone. And not only is that, of course very upsetting,

1178
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.760
but when she starts expressing it to the other crew people,

1179
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.199
one of my favorite things about this movie is they

1180
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.840
all believe each other. Yeah. Nobody's like, oh, you're like,

1181
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.119
what are you? You don't sleep enough last night? Like oh,

1182
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.800
like like tough enough. No, they're They're all like, no,

1183
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.320
I'm hearing things too, yeah, like I'm noticing things. And

1184
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:25.039
one of the guys, the uh, the bald headed guy,

1185
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.639
I can't remember his name, the he was one of

1186
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:29.840
the guy who the guy who first noticed it was

1187
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.119
Latin but didn't know loud very well.

1188
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:33.360
Is that TJ?

1189
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:39.639
That might have been TJ. Excuse me, DJ, that's the

1190
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:40.280
medical doctor.

1191
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.480
No, yeah, Peoper Cooper.

1192
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:47.320
Okay Cooper yeh yeah, yeah, okay Cooper. He uh, I

1193
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:48.719
could just double No, that's not him.

1194
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.079
No, no, uh no, it was it was DJ. It

1195
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:53.199
was DJ.

1196
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.440
Uh No, it was it was uh Smitty. Smitty Smitty

1197
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.679
is the one who first, I mean, no, the doctor

1198
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:05.960
translates the this stuff. They're both British guys. One's bald

1199
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.800
and one's not. Like they kind of like them both.

1200
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.280
Yeah, they're both being British is what threw me.

1201
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:14.519
But no, so Smitty Smitty is one of the first

1202
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.079
people to literally just go, just go. I'll tell you

1203
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.159
what's going on. This ship is fucked well, I've known

1204
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.599
it from the moment I've been on it. Yeah, and

1205
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.440
the doctor who just said his name is a DJ

1206
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.480
grabs him. But as he grabs him, he puts a

1207
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.239
freaking scalpel to his throat. But what he as he's

1208
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.400
holding there with the scalpel, he literally just says, it's

1209
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:39.239
just a giant piece of metal, nothing else, a giant

1210
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.639
piece of metal. And then everybody's like, dude, what are

1211
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:44.760
you doing? And he like, let's go. I'm sorry, I

1212
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.480
don't I don't know. He doesn't know why he did it,

1213
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:53.320
and he's generally the most reasonable group, and that's early

1214
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:56.239
on that he suddenly does something incredibly out of character

1215
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.400
and unreasonable that shocks everybody.

1216
01:07:58.960 --> 01:07:59.360
Mm hmm.

1217
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.480
So and I love that dichotomy of like, it's just

1218
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.639
a big piece of metal, because the other guy's basically saying,

1219
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:10.239
like this place has bad vibes, bad juju. Yeah, and

1220
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.079
boy was he right. And we'll talk about how right

1221
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:14.840
he was a little bit more after this.

1222
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:31.239
All Right, So after that bit of a showdown, what's

1223
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.800
going on, what's going on is they've had the whole

1224
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:39.600
entire crew has had to relocate onto this ship, the

1225
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:45.279
Event Horizon because when there was that shock wave and

1226
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:51.399
they had to rescue Baby Bear justin that compromised the

1227
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.960
whole of their ship to Lewis and Clark, So Smith

1228
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.119
and Cooper have to go out and repair it, and

1229
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:04.760
everyone's kind of working overtime, working double to kind of

1230
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:05.720
get the ship ready.

1231
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.560
Well, there's a big reason for that, which is that

1232
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:12.199
the oxygen scrubber or the what was it, the carbon

1233
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:16.560
dioxide scrubbers on the Event Horizon don't work, yeah, which

1234
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.960
basically means you have no air to breathe. So they

1235
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:22.560
take the scrubbers from the Lewis and Clark and bring

1236
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.439
it on there, but it only gives them about twenty

1237
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:25.920
hours of breathable air.

1238
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:28.800
Yeah, before then they're going to run out of air

1239
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:34.000
there as well. So the kind of the plan that

1240
01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:39.920
they have is they're gonna basically abandon the mission of

1241
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:46.000
trying to find any survivors. And the confrontations between We're

1242
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:53.439
and Captain Miller are great because, well, for two reasons.

1243
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:58.000
First off, we really start to see that as much

1244
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.960
as We're wants to to try and you know, save

1245
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:07.039
any crew that's left. It's very clear that his whole

1246
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:12.119
goal is strictly to get the ship back actually saving

1247
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.640
any remaining crew members. If any crew members are remaining,

1248
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.600
that is just the carrot that he's dangling in front

1249
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:24.079
of everyone else. He really doesn't seem to actually care,

1250
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.840
especially I noticed that the more he has hallucinations about

1251
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.239
his wife, the less he seems to care about anything

1252
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:36.960
other than trying to get the Event Horizon operational again.

1253
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:42.039
Whereas we're starting to notice more and more how much

1254
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.920
Captain Miller is pushing his crew beyond their breaking point

1255
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:52.520
strictly to save their lives. And he doesn't, you know,

1256
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.119
there's no time for a break, there's no time to

1257
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.159
do anything. He's just pushing everybody as hard as they can.

1258
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:03.039
And that's when I pretty certain that's when we see

1259
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:07.359
the first like tormented vision for him, and we start

1260
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:11.560
seeing and understanding his backstory of why he is so

1261
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:16.600
overprotective of his crew is because he had lost a

1262
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:21.159
crew member before to a horrible fire in space. And

1263
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:29.359
Fishburne just gives this absolutely chilling performance as he describes this,

1264
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:34.239
this catastrophe that happened and on The one line is

1265
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.880
that really stuck with me is you know, have you

1266
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:41.039
ever seen a fire in space? It's beautiful. It's like water,

1267
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.319
it's like liquid. It just rolls over, it just rolls

1268
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:50.039
over everything. And then we see his crewmate from before

1269
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:55.359
being engulfed in this living flame and like flames engulfing

1270
01:11:55.560 --> 01:12:00.439
the whole ship around him, and we understand suddenly, like

1271
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.760
this isn't him being a hard ass just because that's

1272
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.399
who he is. He's being a hard ass because he

1273
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:09.039
wasn't before and it cost him dearly.

1274
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.960
Well we don't know that it was because he was

1275
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.920
being incompetent. That's not really fair.

1276
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:16.359
I mean, wait, we don't know.

1277
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:18.119
But he just says that from that moment on, I

1278
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:19.680
never would leave him. May by him because they said

1279
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.199
what because the crew member he was telling you, who

1280
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.560
said what did you do? It was he was talking

1281
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:24.479
to DJ.

1282
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:25.359
That's right.

1283
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.079
They said what did you do when that happened? And

1284
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:30.199
he said, I did the only thing I could do.

1285
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.199
We got out of there. There was nothing to do

1286
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:34.840
for him. But that's when I said I would never

1287
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:38.359
I would never leave another crew person. I would never

1288
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:40.840
lose anybody ever again. But my favorite part of that

1289
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.000
scene is when DJ says we've served together for like

1290
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:44.760
I think he's ad twelve years or something. He was like,

1291
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:46.399
and you never told me that, And then he turns

1292
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.960
up and says, that's the thing I've never told anyone that.

1293
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.960
How does the ship know?

1294
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:54.119
Yeah, And I.

1295
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:57.399
Love that moment. That's such a great moment and well, and.

1296
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:00.920
It is a great moment because before for that, we

1297
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.319
were we were kind of thinking like, Okay, these visions

1298
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:10.680
are just like whatever is scariest, and then that's when

1299
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:14.520
we start to realize like, no, these visions are individually

1300
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:19.640
tailored to what is scariest for each individual, and the

1301
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.319
ship knows. The ship is consciously aware of it, and

1302
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.560
it seems like the ship is purposely trying to trap

1303
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:32.119
them in any way that it can, which makes it

1304
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:37.439
even scarier because it's one thing to have a kind

1305
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:43.760
of malevolent but a malevolent force that isn't personal, but

1306
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:48.000
once it becomes personal, like, that's where human fear really is.

1307
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:54.239
So that was that was the moment where you really

1308
01:13:54.279 --> 01:14:00.880
start to see Miller's terror start to take like take hold,

1309
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:05.920
and that opens the door for everyone else because that's

1310
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:09.399
when we start to see doctor Peters and we start

1311
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:13.000
to see the visions that she's having of her son

1312
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:18.920
being tortured and mutilated. And again, like we're start seeing

1313
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.039
more and more visions of his wife. And at first

1314
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:25.560
it's just his wife and she's her eyes have been

1315
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.199
plucked out, and she just kind of says, like, you know,

1316
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.840
join us forever. But then we start to see visions

1317
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:36.000
of her committing suicide, and we start to realize like

1318
01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:42.640
there's a lot more to Weir's terror than just being

1319
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:46.319
pure fear. It's also fear and grief, which is very

1320
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:53.720
very and guilt very very powerful. So that's so they're

1321
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:55.279
trying to evacuate.

1322
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:58.840
Well, they're trying to get ready to evacuate by stabilizing

1323
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.039
Baby Bear. And and while the ship is being repaired,

1324
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:04.680
because this guy doing a space walk right now, you know,

1325
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.880
repairing the show. Yeah, and while all this is going on,

1326
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:14.359
don't forget that the captain said said, nobody's allowed to

1327
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.000
be an engineering anymore. Nobody's allowed to be anywhere near

1328
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:22.640
the event horizon itself. Yeah, and Weird is acting strange,

1329
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:28.439
and he's sneaking around a lot hearing things, but unlike

1330
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:33.239
nearly everybody else, the things that are haunting him. He

1331
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:38.720
strides toward them and that goes probably the way you

1332
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.279
would expect it to, and we'll get into that more

1333
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:58.560
after this. So the biggest issue on the event horizon

1334
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:02.399
that is pression to the crew, you know, if we

1335
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:09.680
don't count like being cursed, haunted, et cetera is Baby Bear,

1336
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:13.239
which what was his real name? His uh, Justin Justin

1337
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.920
thank you. It's so weird. His last name is Justin too.

1338
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:19.039
I think Justin is his last name.

1339
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:26.159
No, it is. I'm looking and Justin. So yeah, he uh,

1340
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.560
he is the main prescient issue. He was hurt, but

1341
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:32.560
he's doing okay now.

1342
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.079
M hm, he's like stabilized, yeah.

1343
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.479
And and he's just shaken really badly. But then he

1344
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:40.279
takes a turn.

1345
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:46.520
So as as they're trying to repair the Lewis and Clark,

1346
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:53.680
Justin wakes up and starts kind of like he's not

1347
01:16:54.279 --> 01:17:00.359
making sense and he is quite agitated. And this bite

1348
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:07.920
the fact that the engineering in on the event horizon,

1349
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.239
on the ship is supposed to be locked down. He

1350
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.560
starts rambling about what he's seen. He starts rambling about

1351
01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:20.720
what's past the gate, that there's no getting away from it,

1352
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:26.840
and he kind of wrestles his way past everyone and

1353
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:31.560
gets himself into an airlock and activates it to open. Now,

1354
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.239
the thing about the airlocks is they do have a

1355
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:37.279
safety feature, so it takes like I think it was

1356
01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:41.520
like a ten minute timer or something before you know,

1357
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.680
the outside gate opens, so that gives them a little

1358
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.239
bit of time to try and save him, but not

1359
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:48.600
a lot.

1360
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:50.840
What happens is he's between the airlocks.

1361
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:51.960
That's what it is.

1362
01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.399
So, because what makes an airlock and airlock for those

1363
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:57.840
listening I know, you know all about nerdspace stuff, is

1364
01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.880
that there are two doors so that you decompress the

1365
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.520
ship exactly. So what he's done is he's went into

1366
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.319
the airlock and closed the door and now he has

1367
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:09.239
to press the other button if he wants to open

1368
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:12.159
the airlock the door to space right, and then it'll

1369
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.960
be thirty seconds to decompress before it opens up. So,

1370
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.560
for whatever reason, because the ship has been all beaten up,

1371
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:22.439
and because he may have sabotaged I can't remember for sure,

1372
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:24.960
I think he did. He did. They can't open the

1373
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:28.279
airlock from the outside, Yeah, they can't control it at all.

1374
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.800
So he's standing there as they're begging him to like

1375
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:33.600
just open the door again and come back to us,

1376
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:38.600
and he's like possessed. His eyes are dark, and he

1377
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.039
says one of my favorite like little there's so many

1378
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.439
little lines in event Horizon that like stick with you,

1379
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:45.600
that are creepy, but he says, like if you'd seen

1380
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:50.760
what I saw, you wouldn't stop me, Yeah, which makes.

1381
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:57.319
It so like deeply uh spine shilling. And what makes

1382
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.920
it even worse is so they're all they're all panicking.

1383
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.399
You know, there's several crew members on the inside of

1384
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.119
the ship like trying to coax him to come back in,

1385
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.399
and they've alerted the captain Miller of the situation, so

1386
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:13.159
he's trying to mount a rescue mission from the outside

1387
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:17.479
of the ship. So he's trying to position himself so

1388
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:20.720
that when the outside airlock opens, he'll be able to

1389
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.720
kind of like save Justin. So he's like trying to

1390
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:26.840
talk to Justin through the intercom, trying to calm him down,

1391
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:31.000
and you know, Justin's possessed, his eyes or all dark.

1392
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:34.119
He's talking about what he's seen, and then there's this

1393
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:40.760
brief moment where he blinks and suddenly he's there again.

1394
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.880
It's not a brief moment he's there again, like and

1395
01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.560
he is the whole time he's suffering.

1396
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.600
He just asks, why am I here? What am I

1397
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:51.560
doing here? Can you like save me? Help me? Let

1398
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:54.199
me inside? And they're trying to explain from the inside,

1399
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.880
like we can't let you inside. It's like locked down

1400
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.079
now because you're in that thirty second market.

1401
01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:01.119
You have to open the door. And he doesn't seem

1402
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:01.640
to understand.

1403
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:07.600
He doesn't understand. So the outside door opens and the

1404
01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:10.479
captain is like trying trying to talk to him, explain

1405
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:14.359
to him like okay, excel, excel everything out of your lungs.

1406
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.239
You want to curl into a ball, You want to

1407
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.439
close your eyes, you want to you know, clench up.

1408
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:25.239
And so he manages to like jump through space and

1409
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:28.560
and catch him so that he's not like free free

1410
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.439
floating out through space and gets him back into the ship.

1411
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:36.319
And so they put justin into stasis to try and

1412
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:39.279
like stabilize him and calm him down.

1413
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.079
Well, he's asleep in stasis, so he'll be very calm.

1414
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.159
It's very easy to be called he's not conscious. Well,

1415
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:50.760
and yeah, basically they point out the decompression. It it it,

1416
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.319
it hits your eyes and it hits your lungs first,

1417
01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:55.680
so that's what they were trying to Pary tells him

1418
01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:58.199
to close his eyes, type, but they're like shooting blood. Yeah,

1419
01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.039
his eyes are gushing blood as he screaming, his veins

1420
01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:05.239
are all popping. It's it's it's really horrific. But it's

1421
01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:08.600
a really wild scene because he literally floats just outside

1422
01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:12.319
the airlock like two feet before Fishburn knocks him back in.

1423
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.079
So you see like a bare human just starting to

1424
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:19.119
just go into space. But I also like the idea

1425
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:21.960
that there is a way you could put I mean,

1426
01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:25.000
in the movie's logic, a way you could potentially survive

1427
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:29.800
that possibly, you know, very similar to like surviving you know,

1428
01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:31.840
jumping out of a plane without a parachute. It's like

1429
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.600
there are things you can do that might make you

1430
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:38.239
treatable to survive.

1431
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:41.319
Like there's no one hundred percent, but you can mitig

1432
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:44.079
it's you can mitigate.

1433
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:47.159
So when he bumped, when he grabs him again and

1434
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:49.079
pushes him back in the ideas, he's trying to get

1435
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:52.600
him to be damaged as little as possible from decompression.

1436
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.840
So and when they grab him, I mean, he's he's

1437
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.079
in pain, he's screaming, he's bleeding, and they just start

1438
01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:01.119
injecting with that stuff. It's a fair very powerful scene

1439
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:05.239
that really grabs you. But now, as I had said before,

1440
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.680
his well being was prescient, now his well being is

1441
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:13.880
massively prescient because he needs like serious in depth medical

1442
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:17.399
treatment and they need to get to a to a

1443
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.359
I would assume some kind of a space station, a

1444
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:22.359
star base, something something like that. Now they can get help. Yeah.

1445
01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:24.039
Outposts is probably the word that I think is the

1446
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:25.560
word they used early on. They said they were like

1447
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.760
three thousand clicks from the nearest outposts.

1448
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.319
It's gonna take a while to get there.

1449
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:31.920
Yeah.

1450
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:36.159
And this is also the scene that we were talking

1451
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:40.640
about when when Miller and DJ were discussing their hallucinations,

1452
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:47.239
they they start discussing even more like what's been going on?

1453
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:53.199
What happened with justin right now? Because clearly something deeper

1454
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:59.840
is going on. And that's when that's when he admits

1455
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.800
that he discovered that the phrase he thought he heard,

1456
01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:10.159
the save me phrase, that was not the whole thing.

1457
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.640
Yeah, And there was a tiny little thing earlier where

1458
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:14.800
they were looking at the ship's logs. I just want

1459
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:16.960
to mention where when they were all happy and celebrating

1460
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.439
the journey. The pilot or the captain speaks a little

1461
01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:24.439
Latin to celebrate it, which I thought was a great nod. Yeah,

1462
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.439
why Latin is in these other recordings?

1463
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:34.399
Uh? So we realize that the entire phrase was supposed

1464
01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:39.119
to be liber tae to tournament X in furnace, which

1465
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:46.000
is translated to save yourself from hell. And it's also

1466
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:51.159
I believe that's when they also find like the recording

1467
01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:53.520
of the crew, isn't it, Yeah.

1468
01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:57.239
Where they basically are. They've all gone mad killing each other.

1469
01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.119
But the one weird thing about that is they've all

1470
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.000
gone stark raving mad, like killing each other, ripping each

1471
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.239
other apart. But they didn't find everybody's bodies. Yeah, they

1472
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:09.920
only found like one body in a couple of parts.

1473
01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:14.640
Because things are on the Event Horizon, things are always

1474
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:32.199
more than they seem a lot more after this, So

1475
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:37.520
we're back and now we officially know horrors beyond human

1476
01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:42.399
recognition are what killed what killed the crew of the

1477
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:50.960
Event Horizon likely hopefully they're dead, yes, correct, correct, And

1478
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:55.199
now Weird is wandering the ship. I think at this

1479
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.279
point he finally goes down to the Event Horizon himself

1480
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.319
after being told not to leaves. So it's around this point.

1481
01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:04.439
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's around this point. And it's

1482
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.800
because that's the point when he gouges out his own eyes.

1483
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:08.920
Well he does that in front of it.

1484
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:14.800
Yeah, yeah, because he has that that horrifying memory vision

1485
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.399
hallucination thing of his wife committing suicide, and we start

1486
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:24.359
to realize that, in a weird way, this ship is

1487
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:27.640
the last remaining connection he has to his wife because

1488
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:31.960
he feels like he drove her to suicide by ignoring

1489
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:36.520
her to create the ship. Yeah, so, I don't know,

1490
01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:41.039
I I got. I got kind of the vibe at

1491
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:46.119
this point that, even if it was never expressly expressly said,

1492
01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.199
he was trying to find a way to find his wife,

1493
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.520
possibly by like, oh, let's go to another dimension where

1494
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:57.159
she never died, or let's let's try to, you know,

1495
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:02.439
go back in time to before she died, because there

1496
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:05.920
seems to be a lot of him like trying to

1497
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:10.279
in any way claw his way back to her.

1498
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:14.079
See, I'm gonna have to disagree with you because I

1499
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:16.680
think you're being too kind and I think you're being

1500
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:21.720
too positive. Okay, I think weird is looking for the

1501
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:23.439
torment he deserves.

1502
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.479
Hmm okay, yeah, okay.

1503
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:32.479
I think that's why he had such a massive shift

1504
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:37.560
once he experienced the ship speaking to him. I think

1505
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:41.039
that because before that he is while he's haunted by nightmares,

1506
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:45.039
and he's a little kind of perpect perplexingly jovial and

1507
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:50.399
all of that. I think that, in my opinion personally,

1508
01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:53.359
is that I think that his obsession early on was

1509
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:58.920
just to rescue his life's work, Okay, like to make

1510
01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:01.920
his life's work better, yeah, or not better to save it?

1511
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:04.479
Do you have to riskue this ship that meant everything

1512
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:05.840
to him? And I think that's why you had these

1513
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:09.840
horrible nightmares about his wife. Extra was probably because of

1514
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.279
the guilty feels from the fact that he let everything

1515
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.760
in his life fall to the wayside except for the

1516
01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:20.800
Event Horizon and the Event Horizon disappearing because the way

1517
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:27.800
they describe in the opening crawl is it appeared in Neptune. Yeah,

1518
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:31.439
like it appeared, it wasn't there, and then it was,

1519
01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:34.199
and then a distress signal made people aware that the

1520
01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:38.840
Event Horizon even existed anymore, because there are a million theories,

1521
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.479
so it was somewhere for seven years. I think that

1522
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:46.960
when he got on the ship and started seeing the visions,

1523
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:48.840
or even before he got on the ship, when it

1524
01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:54.680
started speaking to him. I think that he realized, I

1525
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:58.560
have created a gateway to Hell. What better thing for

1526
01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:02.920
me to do? Because I belong in Hell. I deserve punishment,

1527
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:06.399
I like the only penance I could ever have, because

1528
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.960
he's always begging and apologizing in those nightmares, like the

1529
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.119
one where he witnesses her killing herself and he's like

1530
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.800
in the room with her. Yeah, I think this is

1531
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:20.079
like some seriously catholic kind of like intense like I

1532
01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:24.920
need to suffer to show how sorry I am. That then,

1533
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:28.319
of course, like everything in the Event Horizon seems to

1534
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:32.119
do to people, turns into madness into madness, And I

1535
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:35.479
do think that, you know, considering he opened the gate,

1536
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.239
you know, he caused all of this in the first place,

1537
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.680
and he has this deep, dark self loathing. That's just

1538
01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:45.720
my thought is I think he wants to be in hell.

1539
01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:48.800
He's excited to be in hell.

1540
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.479
Well, especially after he gouges out his eyes.

1541
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.840
He is very because one of the another great line

1542
01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:59.039
of me, I don't need those to see. I don't

1543
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:02.199
need eyes to see. Yeah, yeah, not where or where

1544
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.800
we're going we don't need eyes to see. Yeah, so.

1545
01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:12.840
Sorry, I'm collecting my thoughts. One of one of the things,

1546
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.239
one of the things that stands out about this movie is,

1547
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.520
especially especially once the Lewis and Clark has been damaged,

1548
01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:26.239
something is, something is always happening. There's not a moment

1549
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:33.159
to breathe. And so simultaneously, while the Captain and DJ

1550
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.640
are like having this revelation of what happened to the

1551
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:40.640
original crew, and they're kind of discussing that they they

1552
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:45.199
believe that the ship came back with something evil. Uh,

1553
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:48.720
they're not quite at the conclusion yet that the ship

1554
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:53.760
itself is the evil. They just know, like the evil

1555
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:58.720
is here. While that's happening, we also, you know, doctor

1556
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:03.760
Weir has gone totally mad and ripped out his eyes.

1557
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:10.279
And that's also when Smith and Pete doctor Peters are

1558
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:13.399
trying to collect as many tanks of oxygen as they

1559
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:16.279
can because basically, like like we said, they took the

1560
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:20.239
oxygen scrubber from the Lewis and Clark installed it on

1561
01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:24.159
the event horizon. They cleaned a whole bunch of oxygen

1562
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:26.560
and put it in tanks so that they can take

1563
01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:29.279
it back onto the Lewis and Clark. So they're collecting

1564
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:30.239
all of these tanks.

1565
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.159
They're not collecting, they're collecting the filters, the filter that

1566
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:36.760
scrubbed the carbon dioxide out. Okay, sorry, And because some

1567
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:38.239
of them are used up, that's why some of them

1568
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.680
they throw They were like these empty others. This one's

1569
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:41.840
this one's used up.

1570
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:45.840
This one, yeah, this one's done. Yeah. That's when Peter's

1571
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:48.920
like has the worst because she's been having these flashes

1572
01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:51.960
of hallucinations of her son and now she has like

1573
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:56.479
a whole out nightmare vision of her son being tortured.

1574
01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:59.000
And then she sees him in the hall and she

1575
01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:02.720
just chases him down in the hall and then she

1576
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:06.960
meets her end in the medical bay of the Event Horizon.

1577
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:13.960
And that's when who was it that had like the

1578
01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.600
most hell raiser kind of death because one of the guys,

1579
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:20.479
like doctor Weir just gutted him.

1580
01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:24.399
That's what that happened to the doctor Okay, to that

1581
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:25.520
was that was to DJ.

1582
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:33.479
So as as all of this is happening, we we've

1583
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:39.479
had it set up where there is a emergency protocol

1584
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.760
for the Event Horizon where basically two parts of the

1585
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.199
ship will can be separated.

1586
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:50.439
Yeah, there's there's a corridor that connects the bridge to

1587
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:54.600
the engine basically basically, and the corridor is lined with

1588
01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:59.239
explosives in order to turn the bridge basically into like

1589
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:04.560
a lifeboat so that it can escape the experimental engine

1590
01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:09.920
that apparently is powered by Hell itself, And that's about

1591
01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:26.720
to pay off in multiple ways after this. So Weird

1592
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.920
is now straight up stalking the ship and killing people.

1593
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:33.880
But on top of that those explosive charges you were

1594
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:40.159
talking about, he's also plotting some other evil because I

1595
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:43.880
believe Fishburne's character notices one of them is just gone.

1596
01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:47.239
One of those explosive charges is gone, and immediately puts

1597
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:51.399
two and two together. As we're back at the Lewis

1598
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:55.399
and Clark and they're trying to get ready to move

1599
01:32:56.520 --> 01:33:01.159
Justin in there, and he figured out, like, I think

1600
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:02.800
he's bombing the Lewis and Clark.

1601
01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:08.399
Yeah, So Miller reaches out over the intercom I believe

1602
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:11.199
it's to Smith is the one in there trying to

1603
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:15.960
move Justin and tells him like, evacuate, you need to

1604
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:21.520
get out now, and Smith refuses because he tries to

1605
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:26.399
find the bomb, and it's it's one of those scenes

1606
01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:30.039
that it's so perfect because it's so action packed, and

1607
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:33.600
it's so heartbreaking when it reaches the conclusion, because he

1608
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:37.359
tears up the Lewis and Clark. He's he's ripping stuff

1609
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:41.119
off the walls and then he finally he finds like

1610
01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:46.680
a pack on the door that's skewed, and so he

1611
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:49.560
moves it aside and he finds the bomb and he

1612
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.439
presses the thing to like see and it's got five

1613
01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:57.159
seconds before it goes off. Yeah, and the look it's

1614
01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:01.399
not it's not a look of resignation so much as

1615
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:03.399
acceptance and.

1616
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:04.399
A little bit of frustration.

1617
01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:08.840
Yeah, frustrating, like not even not even like, oh darn,

1618
01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:12.680
I'm gonna die. It's oh darn, I didn't win, If

1619
01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:13.640
that makes all examit.

1620
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.319
And then the last thing he does is kind of

1621
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:16.079
brace himself.

1622
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:20.960
Yeah, so the Lewis and Clark has gone, and that

1623
01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:24.880
Cooper who was out there repairing the ship that jettisons

1624
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:26.159
him off and this.

1625
01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:29.000
Was like you had just finished. He was celebrating. It's

1626
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:31.640
the little the only comic relief left in the whole

1627
01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.479
film is that he just finished fixing the ship and

1628
01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:37.520
he's like all cocky about it, and he blows up

1629
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:39.319
and he gets thrown into space.

1630
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:44.560
And that was like the peak mid nineties was for

1631
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:48.760
this last like the last act of the film was Cooper,

1632
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:53.479
because he gets jettisoned out into space and we we

1633
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:57.000
watch him like he's he's clinging onto this piece of

1634
01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:00.000
shrapnel trying to figure out what to do, and he's like, Okay,

1635
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:04.319
if I empty my oxygen, I might be able to

1636
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:08.640
make it back to the event horizon. So he readies

1637
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:11.439
himself and he like primes the thing and then it

1638
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.039
shoots him off into space and we just hear woooo

1639
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:16.800
as he like flies toward.

1640
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.359
He's he's always been a smack talker in the movie,

1641
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:23.119
and he's still doing it like while all this crazy

1642
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:24.960
evil stuff is happening, and he was about to float

1643
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.279
off into space alone for all eternity.

1644
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:32.239
So that was that was pretty great. And talk about

1645
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:38.119
a moment when you need levity. Yeah, because now what

1646
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:42.920
we're stuck with is we have to we have to

1647
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:47.880
figure out how to get everyone safely onto the bridge

1648
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:54.640
of the event horizon, stop Weird, and then separate the

1649
01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:59.800
event horizon, the bridge from the engineering section well from

1650
01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:01.119
the engine engine well.

1651
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:05.600
A lot happens in this moment because Miller encounters We're

1652
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.159
in the bridge and at this point, Miller after discovering

1653
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.960
the dead body of DJ, the horrifically mutilated dead body.

1654
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.840
Right before that it happened, Miller had told DJ like,

1655
01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:19.600
if you see Weir, because he fully was aware now

1656
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:21.560
we're as killing people. He's like, if you see where

1657
01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:24.960
you take him out? And the way DJ reacts, you know,

1658
01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:28.920
is very like yep, yeah, like I will like I'll

1659
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:33.680
kill him. So Miller's now DJ's dead, and Miller has

1660
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.640
taken one of the those So the way they were

1661
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:39.520
fixing the ship was they were using like a combination

1662
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:43.399
of some kind of like an adhesive to seal and

1663
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:47.319
these like they were almost like nails. They would punch

1664
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.600
through a hull and then spread on the other side

1665
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.279
to lock them in place. Yeah, So he takes one

1666
01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:54.840
of those, charges it up and makes it clear he

1667
01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:58.159
wants to kill Weir with it. So he heads up

1668
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:03.520
to the bridge and the bridge is empty, lightning going,

1669
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:12.840
and he finds the body of Lieutenant Stark. Yeah, beat up, bloody,

1670
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:17.319
and she's alive. So as he's checking on her, though,

1671
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:20.760
one of my favorite moments of the whole movie he's

1672
01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:22.199
checking on her. I don't even know if he caught it,

1673
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.000
because it's so I mean, it's clear, but it's also

1674
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:27.840
really subtle because his reaction is my favorite part. As

1675
01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:29.600
he's helping her and he's kind of checked her out

1676
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:32.119
and he's confirmed that she's alive and stuff, he literally

1677
01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:33.439
looks over to whether he had the gun, and the

1678
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:35.840
gun's just not there anymore, and he just goes right

1679
01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:41.119
back to her. M hmmm, because mission focused like that

1680
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:42.600
will come about when it comes about.

1681
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.560
Yeah, right now, top priority is his crewmate is her.

1682
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.880
Yeah, but like the gun's gone and he barely reacts

1683
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:52.640
to it, but he does acknowledge it. So then of course,

1684
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.079
as they're trying to get out of there, we reveal

1685
01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:59.920
under lightning strikes. Doctor Weir is sitting on the cap

1686
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:04.840
in his chair with the gun on his lap, eyes gone,

1687
01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:08.880
you know, nuttier than a squirrel turd, and.

1688
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:12.399
He's like covered in blood because again he's been mutilating

1689
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:15.479
and killing people. He's himself and demanded himself. You know,

1690
01:38:16.079 --> 01:38:19.199
it ain't a party unless you join in, right, I.

1691
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:22.319
Mean, fair point. And I got to say that the

1692
01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:24.439
more that we talk about the movie, the more I

1693
01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:29.600
think I am right about him wanting to go to hell. Yeah,

1694
01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:32.600
because think about it, like he's like a lost soul,

1695
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.479
you know, he's he's wandering life, going through the motions.

1696
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:41.159
His wife is gone, his life's work was gone, his

1697
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:44.279
life's work came back. He felt like he could probably

1698
01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:49.119
find himself by figuring out what happened to his life's

1699
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:52.640
work and when it especially if you want to go

1700
01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:54.640
Catholic with that, because you know, there's a lot of

1701
01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:58.720
punishment is good in Catholicism. Think about that for a minute,

1702
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:04.600
like he's what is the what is the thing worse

1703
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.640
in Catholicism? What is the place worse than heaven or hell?

1704
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:10.039
Purgatory?

1705
01:39:11.239 --> 01:39:14.800
Oh yeah, yeah, he's in like living death. He's not

1706
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:16.640
in heaven, he's not in Hell. He's not even alive.

1707
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:22.279
Yeah, I do like that. Yeah, No, that's a very

1708
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:27.039
good point. And and and again, the the imagery goes

1709
01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:31.319
right along with it too. Just the imagery of him,

1710
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.560
you know, turning around in the chair with the lightning

1711
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:39.159
in the background. It was all very haunting. But again

1712
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:43.199
it's it's not the it's not the imagery that we

1713
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:47.319
would generally find associated with actual hell. You know, he's

1714
01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:51.520
not there being tortured by demons. The torture is being

1715
01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:53.279
there in and of itself.

1716
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:55.760
Well, and and like I said, I mean, it's it's

1717
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:58.760
desire to be punished. He's not being punished. He's just

1718
01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:01.640
he's suffering, but he's not being punished. There's a difference.

1719
01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:02.720
Yeah.

1720
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.479
And one of my favorite little moments is when he

1721
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:07.760
has the he points the gun toward him, He's like,

1722
01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:09.840
do you think I'll miss because he has no eyes.

1723
01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:12.960
I love that little line. Sam Neil's always great as

1724
01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:16.800
a crazy person. And on top of all this happening,

1725
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:22.560
all of a sudden, a certain, a certain Cooper begins

1726
01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:26.159
to fly directly toward from outside the spaceship in his

1727
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:32.720
spacesuit starts to fly toward the bridge window windshields, I

1728
01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.319
don't know what you call it. He starts flying toward it.

1729
01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.119
And things are about to get extra right after this.

1730
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:56.720
So as Cooper arrives outside the window of the bridge,

1731
01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:03.760
doctor Weir, without hesitation but with with thought, m points

1732
01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:05.239
the gun to him. And it's important to point that

1733
01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:07.159
out though, because that's the best part. He doesn't just

1734
01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:09.359
go like and like shoot without realizing that I'm gonna

1735
01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.640
wreck with everything no, he like looks over at him

1736
01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:13.720
and then like smiles and does it. He knows it's

1737
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:16.039
going to cause the entire bridge to decompress.

1738
01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:20.640
Yeah, but he doesn't care because that's more you No,

1739
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:21.479
he does care.

1740
01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:26.319
He wants chaos.

1741
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:31.600
So he he shoots at Cooper and it, you know,

1742
01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:36.000
busts open the window and the explosive decompression pulls doctor

1743
01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:41.720
Weir out and they they managed to like seal off

1744
01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:44.520
that part of the bridge so that they can use

1745
01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:49.239
that section of the ship to survive. And that's when

1746
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.880
Miller tells them their plan, tells them the plan, like, Okay,

1747
01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:56.880
we're going to put the lifeboat effect. Uh, we're going

1748
01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:57.399
to use that.

1749
01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:59.840
So we're going to put the lifeboat into effect, and

1750
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:00.760
effect is what I.

1751
01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:05.359
So, you know, He's like, basically, you guys stay here.

1752
01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:07.960
I'm going to make sure that all of the charges

1753
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:12.920
go off. So Miller you know, goes basically back to

1754
01:42:13.319 --> 01:42:17.479
the engine bay so that he can make sure all

1755
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.359
of the charges are set and he has to go

1756
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:21.079
by one by one by one.

1757
01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:23.279
He doesn't have to go to where the engine bay is.

1758
01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:27.159
But but what happens is he demands his crew stay

1759
01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:30.399
behind because you've got one severely injured guy, and then

1760
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:35.640
the the female Lieutenant Stark Stark, and then and then

1761
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:38.800
Cooper m hm. And he doesn't want to risk losing them,

1762
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:41.159
so he makes them go up there and stay there.

1763
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:45.279
And then as he's confirming each of the explosives, he

1764
01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:51.640
realizes almost certainly Weird might be alive. But then the

1765
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:54.399
fire ghost from his past starts chasing him.

1766
01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:55.800
That's what it is.

1767
01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.880
And it runs him straight into the event horizon, like

1768
01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:01.359
straight into the engine. So you were close. It's just

1769
01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:05.760
like it. Basically, the moment he gets into that corridor,

1770
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:08.960
all bets are off like it. The ships just starts

1771
01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:09.600
coming for him.

1772
01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.840
Yeah, because it's it's honed in on him.

1773
01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:15.560
And one cool thing because there's so much obviously we're

1774
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:17.680
gonna gloss over tons of stuff. But one thing I

1775
01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:20.119
thought was really cool was there was a scene earlier

1776
01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:24.199
when Lieutenant Stark is talking to Captain Miller and she's like,

1777
01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.680
I have one theory of what's going on here. Because

1778
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:28.119
that's his thing is you would say, like, you know,

1779
01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:29.840
I want to know what is going on here. I

1780
01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:32.319
don't know. Well, then find out that's your job, you know.

1781
01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:35.119
There's a great part early on when before Weir's gone

1782
01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.640
crazy with Weir sets I just need it. I just

1783
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.720
need a little time, and he's like, that's the one

1784
01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:42.039
thing you don't have, and.

1785
01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.479
It was crust so good but.

1786
01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.319
So but there's a part earlier when he's before everything,

1787
01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:51.119
people are like really dying other than I think at

1788
01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:53.319
that point Justin had been hurt, but that was it.

1789
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:55.279
So it seemed like there was some kind of psychosis

1790
01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:58.840
going on where she tells him like I She's like,

1791
01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:01.159
I have a theory, and he's like, tell me, and

1792
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:06.000
she says, I think that it's some kind of immune response.

1793
01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:08.800
That's what she her theory is about the ship, that

1794
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:11.560
like this is an immune response to people being in it.

1795
01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:14.800
We're an infection that it's trying to shake out. And

1796
01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:17.920
he's like, I don't have time for this does sound crazy,

1797
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:21.359
but I just wanted to side note that because as

1798
01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:24.640
as a Miller ends up stuck in the Event Horizon

1799
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:29.279
engine room and then we reveal we're in his final form,

1800
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:33.880
it becomes clear that that's not far off from the truth.

1801
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:38.279
Yeah yeah, yeah.

1802
01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:43.520
So uh We're and Miller have a fight to the death.

1803
01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:45.880
Out but you're not going to mention that we're is

1804
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:50.439
now suddenly like carved up a giant like flesh painting

1805
01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:53.680
of like of like runes.

1806
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:58.239
Carved in Yeah, yeah, he is like it's uh, I mean,

1807
01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:01.479
what is the oh, what's the what's the word in

1808
01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:06.960
Catholicism where someone stigmata, it's like an evil stigmata where

1809
01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:11.920
he's just covered in yeah, like ruins, he's and it

1810
01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:15.640
like of course, you know, stuff pouring out of his.

1811
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:18.720
Eyes well, and and and uh. Every time he saw

1812
01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:22.399
his wife in visions, before he even got to the

1813
01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:26.039
event horizon, she would have no eyes. That was a

1814
01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:28.760
recurring thing. She would open her eyes or turned to

1815
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:30.359
look at him, and she would have no eyes in

1816
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:33.000
her sockets. And now he has no eyes in his sockets.

1817
01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:35.520
Just want to mention that too, like that's something that

1818
01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:41.720
you know, messes with you. That's really like a fascinating choice. Yeah,

1819
01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:43.520
but now yeah, but they are fighting. I just want

1820
01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:45.039
to mention, like I don't want to I don't want

1821
01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:47.920
to gloss over the fact that mirror is like standing

1822
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:52.439
there basically naked, covered in carved things. Like he's just

1823
01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:56.239
mutilated beyond cut himself up, nearly beyond recognition. He couldn't

1824
01:45:56.239 --> 01:45:59.680
have cut himself up. It's all over his back and everything.

1825
01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:02.239
That's that's my point. But but but it's important to

1826
01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:06.000
keep in mind like when when Miller had to go

1827
01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:08.079
into the engine room to get away from that ghost

1828
01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:12.560
or whatever, like it it's real. And that's something that

1829
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:14.520
Cooper had mentioned the first time he had that fear.

1830
01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:17.840
He's like, I felt the fire like it was really there.

1831
01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.199
And that's the thing about this that I think is

1832
01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.800
really interesting is like the manifestations are real.

1833
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:27.039
Yeah. So it's it's not just in your head.

1834
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:29.279
Not at all. It's taking within your head and making

1835
01:46:29.319 --> 01:46:32.359
it real. Yeah, which does sound like a kind of

1836
01:46:32.960 --> 01:46:36.640
you know, poetic concept of hell. Take the horrible things

1837
01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:39.000
and make them absolutely real, not just haunting. You know,

1838
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.319
they're really happening and you're gonna have a bad time.

1839
01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:43.439
Yeah.

1840
01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:45.479
So but no, and and my point isn't to like,

1841
01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:48.640
uh wasn't to like shoot you down and correct you

1842
01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:52.119
for not knowing what the uh like that he was.

1843
01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.760
But no, my point is like that's how friggin' nuts

1844
01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:58.800
and mysterious all this stuff is. Is No, there's no

1845
01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:00.640
way he could have done that to a specially himself,

1846
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.840
not especially not in like the forty minutes that since

1847
01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:05.520
they'd seen.

1848
01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:08.840
Him last, he kept himself busy.

1849
01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:11.520
No, he likes to stay busy, and having a hobby

1850
01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:15.520
is a very important thing, without a doubt, yea. And

1851
01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:18.239
but as they start to fight, it's a pretty awesome

1852
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.840
fight because the way Weird reveals himself is he takes

1853
01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.840
the place of the fiery dead crew person, like the

1854
01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:27.600
flames build up and then they go down and he's there. Yeah,

1855
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:32.479
and friggin' you gotta hand it to Miller. He just

1856
01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:35.279
starts walloping him with stuff because there are a few

1857
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:39.399
of those oxygen or those carbon dioxide scrubbers. He's like

1858
01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:41.960
whacking them, but it's barely doing anything. And Weir had

1859
01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:46.199
been expressing like superhuman strength earlier on. But he is

1860
01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:51.239
trying like hell to fight him off and and not

1861
01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:55.399
not allow his crew in particular to die. And that

1862
01:47:55.479 --> 01:48:00.960
becomes especially obvious because when he was checking the blowsive panels,

1863
01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:04.279
they have remote detonator for it, and he retrieves the

1864
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:06.800
remote detonator, which falls to the side. Of course, so

1865
01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.279
now as he's fighting with Weird, he's trying to just

1866
01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:12.760
get to that remote detonator so we can separate the ship.

1867
01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:14.960
Before and I know we mentioned it before, but we

1868
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:16.880
didn't mention it right when he was in the bridge.

1869
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:20.640
The it's going to activate, Yeah, yeah, we're we're has

1870
01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:22.520
it set, so it's going to go off in like

1871
01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:23.560
less than ten minutes.

1872
01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:25.159
At that point it was well under yeah, it was

1873
01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:27.359
like barely ten minutes. Yeah, so the event Horizon is

1874
01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:30.560
going to activate. And his argument for it is, if

1875
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:33.079
you know, we've wondered where it was, now we're going

1876
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.600
to find out, you know, like and he says, like,

1877
01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:38.520
you know, to send us to hell, and he's hell

1878
01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:42.000
is just a word, and that always gave me chills.

1879
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:44.840
He says, hell is just a word. And then we

1880
01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:59.960
get a few more peaks right after this We're bad

1881
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:05.279
and the fight to keep from going to something like

1882
01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:11.640
hell has begun, and Weir has shown the captain I

1883
01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:13.159
can't believe I just I've been saying his name like

1884
01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:15.399
twenty times an allis I forget it has shown the

1885
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.880
captain more visions of what is on the other side,

1886
01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:21.880
and one of my favorite things is it's so fast

1887
01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:23.920
you can barely tell. But the crew members that are

1888
01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:27.600
still alive are in the vision suffering, and even says

1889
01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:30.239
like they're not they're not dead, and he's like, they

1890
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:34.159
wish they were. So it's like, oh, this is a lot.

1891
01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:37.880
There's so much shifting and stuff going on. And there

1892
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.159
was an earlier part where Smitty said something that I

1893
01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:44.479
think about a lot. When he first like starts attacking

1894
01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.119
Weir and then gets stopped with that scalpeld of his neck.

1895
01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:49.079
He says, like, you think you could just you could

1896
01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:50.880
just violate the bloss of physics and blah blah blah.

1897
01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:55.600
And I realized, like there's almost like an attitude of heresy,

1898
01:49:56.479 --> 01:50:01.000
like a tinge of it about the laws of physic Yeah,

1899
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:06.159
probably because their lives are in space, surviving only by

1900
01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:10.279
the laws of physics that they can circumvent. Yes, So

1901
01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:14.199
that's a really interesting element too. But one of the

1902
01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:19.119
things about Event Horizon that I always found scary, that

1903
01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:24.399
like always bothered me in a way, in a good

1904
01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:29.840
way because it made me think was so. Weir says

1905
01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:33.600
that it's another dimension, a dimension of total chaos and

1906
01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:39.680
pure evil. That's what he says. So this dimension has

1907
01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:44.239
always existed, you know, because that's how dimensions are. They coexist.

1908
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:52.159
So does that mean that what humanity is described as

1909
01:50:52.199 --> 01:50:56.159
hell for tens of thousands of years described as hades

1910
01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:59.560
and torment and all this. Does that mean somebody saw

1911
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:05.239
the other dimension? Yeah? I got chilled. This is what

1912
01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:06.760
I think. This is why I like e Ho Horizon

1913
01:51:06.760 --> 01:51:08.000
so much, because that's what I think about the whole

1914
01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.479
time watching the movie. I'm like, did they literally find Hell?

1915
01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:14.880
Is it just that Hell was not? Is a literal,

1916
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:20.039
scientifically provable place and you found it? Because you know

1917
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:22.520
we talk there are all these concepts, like to go

1918
01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:24.720
back to Star Trek, like the concept of warp speed

1919
01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:27.359
is the idea that you create a to travel faster

1920
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:30.800
than light. You create a shield around yourself and move

1921
01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:34.079
space around you. You don't move, you don't move, space

1922
01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:36.600
moves around you. Yeah, And there were some little Star

1923
01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:38.560
Trek episodes where they would talk about the concept of

1924
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.319
like what happens if, like you go past warp ten

1925
01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:46.359
do you end up? At one point? They suggest that

1926
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:50.079
like you end up inhabiting all space simultaneously. And then

1927
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:52.439
there are other things like transwarp, which is a type

1928
01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:54.560
of warp speed that's even faster, but you have to

1929
01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:58.600
go through subspace corridors that have to be created ahead

1930
01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:04.000
of time, and that like it literally causes like unbeknownst

1931
01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:07.000
insane side effects. And that's kind of what I'm getting

1932
01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:10.760
at here. Is like, so we created faster than light travel,

1933
01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:14.079
but we tore a hole in the fabric of space

1934
01:52:14.119 --> 01:52:19.479
and time, which is actually the source of all the

1935
01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:22.680
concepts of eternal torment that humans have ever written about.

1936
01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:25.840
I don't like it. It's scary.

1937
01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:28.439
So Hell really is a place. But then but go

1938
01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:33.239
one further. When he shows him Hell, we'll call it hell.

1939
01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:35.640
When he shows it to him and he sees his

1940
01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:39.840
friends who aren't dead suffering there. Maybe humans never did

1941
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.920
go to Hell, but when you saw Hell, you saw

1942
01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:48.239
yourself and others suffering torment there. But you're not. Actually,

1943
01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:52.000
you can't get there by dying. You get there by getting.

1944
01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:56.720
There, So it's only it would only exist if you

1945
01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:57.479
go there.

1946
01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:01.239
No, No, I'm saying that that they thought that we

1947
01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:03.840
go there, or that we end up there, because the

1948
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:06.319
part of the torment of a vision of it is

1949
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:09.239
you see people who haven't died yet there. You could

1950
01:53:09.279 --> 01:53:11.479
see anybody there, you see loved ones that have died,

1951
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.159
You could see yourself suffering there. So they just kind

1952
01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:15.920
of filled in the blanks like that must be where

1953
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.479
you go if you're bad when you die, because I

1954
01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:24.119
saw everyone there, when in reality it's like, no, you

1955
01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:32.840
were miss you were mistaking scientific phenomena, natural phenomena, deeply horrific, awful,

1956
01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:37.880
natural phenomena. That's kind of what I was getting at. Okay,

1957
01:53:38.039 --> 01:53:40.359
I mean I didn't, I didn't nail it. I didn't

1958
01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:43.239
have it perfectly tied together the first go. But that's

1959
01:53:43.239 --> 01:53:45.399
what I was getting at, is like that they just

1960
01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:47.960
thought because they saw themselves and people they knew in there,

1961
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.520
they thought that people actually ended up there. Okay, yeah,

1962
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:52.680
when in reality it's just that's part of the torment

1963
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:54.920
is that it makes you, it makes it makes all

1964
01:53:54.960 --> 01:54:00.560
the worst things of reality a literal reality, do you

1965
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:02.039
know what I mean? Though, Like, that's why it creeps

1966
01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:03.920
me out, is the idea like oh, we're just we're

1967
01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:07.399
just testing a new engine for a spaceship. And it's like, okay, well,

1968
01:54:07.399 --> 01:54:12.800
now hell is real. Great job, thanks, well.

1969
01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:17.359
It does, uh, especially the setup not so much the

1970
01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:20.159
rest of the movie, but the setup especially reminds me

1971
01:54:20.399 --> 01:54:23.439
of and and the way you're describing that reminds me

1972
01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:30.520
of the Philadelphia Experiment where it's like this untold horror

1973
01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:36.079
just waiting around the corner and you stumbled upon it

1974
01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:39.159
because you were dabbling with powers that you could not

1975
01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:41.359
comprehend that sort of thing.

1976
01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:44.000
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's just to me, it's like

1977
01:54:44.039 --> 01:54:49.239
the idea of hell, which is you know, it has

1978
01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:53.039
been a long haites has been a long terrifying thing.

1979
01:54:53.439 --> 01:54:55.359
M m to the idea like, oh, that's where it

1980
01:54:55.399 --> 01:54:58.399
came from. Yeah, it is real. It's just not what

1981
01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:02.199
you thought because it's beyond it's it's something else. It's

1982
01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:06.439
it's a legitimate, normal phenomenon in the other dimension, not

1983
01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:09.319
in your dimension. Yeah, I just I don't know why

1984
01:55:09.319 --> 01:55:12.760
that like freaks me out so intensely, but it really does,

1985
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:17.279
really gets to me. So that's one of the reasons

1986
01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:20.039
I think Event Horizon is so interesting and so you

1987
01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:23.640
know wild. Also, the idea of like not needing eyes

1988
01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:26.520
to see kind of leans into what I just said about,

1989
01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:29.039
like it just shows you and makes real all these things.

1990
01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:30.760
Why would you need eyes?

1991
01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:34.079
Yeah, you wouldn't need eyes. You wouldn't need to see

1992
01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:36.039
because it's gonna make it real anyway.

1993
01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:38.479
Yeah, And I mean, who knows what that universe is

1994
01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:40.439
even like when there's no one there to suffer in it.

1995
01:55:40.479 --> 01:55:42.600
I don't. I mean, that's the part I don't. I mean,

1996
01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:48.279
because we'd never get enough to know more. So I like, yeah,

1997
01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:50.399
it's just sorry. That's like that's my thing though, And

1998
01:55:50.439 --> 01:55:52.000
I wanted to get across to you like that's what

1999
01:55:52.119 --> 01:55:56.279
makes me really fine. Event Horizon scary, like really scary.

2000
01:55:56.840 --> 01:55:58.920
So but yeah, so they're they're fighting it out. I

2001
01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:00.960
didn't know if there was if you had a riff

2002
01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:05.840
beyond that too. No, So they're fighting it out, and

2003
01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:07.159
and he's trying to stop Weird.

2004
01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:12.880
So he's so he's trying to stop Weird, the monstrous Weird,

2005
01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:19.279
and trying to you know, reach for the UH detonator.

2006
01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:27.680
And the whole time, we're starting to realize that for

2007
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:33.079
for Captain Miller, we're hoping against hope that you know,

2008
01:56:33.159 --> 01:56:36.000
there's a way that he in particular can get out

2009
01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:39.880
of this, but given what we know about him and

2010
01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:42.960
his past, we're starting to see that there's really not

2011
01:56:44.359 --> 01:56:47.680
UH for him. There is only one way to win,

2012
01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:50.279
and that is to save his crew. Yes, and that

2013
01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:53.279
is ultimately what he does, is he you know, as

2014
01:56:53.479 --> 01:56:58.880
the gravity drive, the event Horizon drive activates, he manages

2015
01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:05.119
to get the detonator and detonate the two parts of

2016
01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:08.479
the ship apart from each other. So their part of

2017
01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:11.640
the ship goes into a black hole and just gets

2018
01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:15.600
you know, sucked into hell, while the bridge is kind

2019
01:57:15.640 --> 01:57:20.279
of like safe. And so that's when Stark and Cooper

2020
01:57:21.039 --> 01:57:25.920
are able to get into stasis. They get safe. They

2021
01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:30.800
have justin with them. He's safe as well. So they're

2022
01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:34.359
just waiting it out. And I believe the text it

2023
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:38.119
says it's like seventy days or something. When they finally

2024
01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:39.000
get found.

2025
01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:41.520
Well, they go into Stasi's sleep as well because they

2026
01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.039
don't have enough food or oxygen. Yeah, they wouldn't just

2027
01:57:44.039 --> 01:57:50.159
survey going anyway, and luckily maybe they do get discovered

2028
01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:51.359
after this.

2029
01:58:04.600 --> 01:58:11.239
All right, So those three are in stasis and we

2030
01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:18.520
see we see Stark in her stasis pod tube thing

2031
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:22.119
and you know, the water kind of drains down and

2032
01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.560
she gets out and someone pulls her up. Someone's in

2033
01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.960
a suit and they pull her up and they start

2034
01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:34.920
talking to her, and there's a moment of disoriented relief, yeah,

2035
01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:37.680
as she kind of realizes that she's coming out of.

2036
01:58:37.640 --> 01:58:41.279
Stasis and there are these these people in space suits,

2037
01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:45.479
you know, with helmets because the ship has been damaged.

2038
01:58:45.720 --> 01:58:49.439
Yeah, So they're all standing around her, and this person

2039
01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:53.399
like lifts her up and is holding her, and then

2040
01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:58.439
their visor on their spacesuit goes down and it's weird

2041
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:04.039
and his horror mutilated face with no eyes and he's

2042
01:59:04.079 --> 01:59:05.479
like grinning and.

2043
01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:07.600
He says something like we were afraid we lost you

2044
01:59:07.760 --> 01:59:10.119
or something like that. It was something like that, really.

2045
01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:13.960
Something really creepy like that, and she screams and then

2046
01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:17.039
wakes up again. We realize, of course it was the

2047
01:59:17.079 --> 01:59:21.079
fake out and is the nightmare exactly, just just like

2048
01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:24.239
in the beginning, which is a beautiful bookend for the film.

2049
01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:28.800
So she is actually coming out of stasis and Cooper's there,

2050
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.760
He's trying to comfort her. There's other people there on

2051
01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:35.479
the ship, her rescuers, trying to comfort her. And as

2052
01:59:35.560 --> 01:59:39.159
the movie ends, the camera just pulls back and the

2053
01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:44.399
bay doors to the ship slowly close as she's screaming

2054
01:59:44.640 --> 01:59:49.319
in terror and everyone is trying to comfort her, and

2055
01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:53.640
then it goes to black yep And you and I

2056
01:59:53.720 --> 01:59:55.760
were during one of the breaks, we were kind of

2057
01:59:55.760 --> 02:00:00.680
talking about it, and one of the things that I

2058
02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:06.880
love about Event Horizon is how the fear is so

2059
02:00:07.159 --> 02:00:10.920
tailored for each individual person, and you were kind of

2060
02:00:10.960 --> 02:00:15.760
talking about, how, you know, the thing that's worse about

2061
02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:20.079
hell in this movie is that it shows you and

2062
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:25.680
it manifests and it makes real your own fears. And

2063
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.680
I think that, especially in horror, it just kind of

2064
02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:33.760
gets lost on us that not everyone finds the same

2065
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.520
things scary and I'm not.

2066
02:00:38.039 --> 02:00:39.199
That's what this show is about.

2067
02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:42.239
That's why we're like literally why we're here, and that's

2068
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:48.720
why you guys tune into us. And I love, I

2069
02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:53.680
have a love hate relationship with personalized fear because you know,

2070
02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:55.880
I've I've talked about how, like I really I didn't

2071
02:00:55.920 --> 02:00:59.640
watch horror movies growing up as a kid. You know,

2072
02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:02.960
I grew up in a in a religious household, but

2073
02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:07.239
that didn't mean that it couldn't like reach me in

2074
02:01:07.439 --> 02:01:11.880
other ways. And the first time I was really exposed

2075
02:01:12.079 --> 02:01:17.239
to the idea of fear being deeply personal was actually

2076
02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:20.439
when I was reading The Voyage of the Dawn Treader,

2077
02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:23.680
one of the Chronicles of Narnia. And it's a fun

2078
02:01:23.720 --> 02:01:26.840
book and you know, everyone everyone is right in the

2079
02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:29.560
assumption like they're family, family friendly, like you can just

2080
02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:31.880
pick them up kind of fantasy books but.

2081
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:33.760
I don't.

2082
02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:35.920
I don't think people realize that C. S. Lewis did

2083
02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:41.359
actually write a science fiction trilogy. Yeah, it's a very

2084
02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:46.600
good trilogy, but he he was good about blending different

2085
02:01:46.840 --> 02:01:49.840
genre like that. And in the Voyage of the Dawn Treader,

2086
02:01:50.319 --> 02:01:53.239
they come up like they're they're on a boat, obviously,

2087
02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:57.399
and they come up against a big fog and kind

2088
02:01:57.399 --> 02:01:59.880
of get lost in the fog and they see a

2089
02:02:01.279 --> 02:02:04.439
island out in the distance and they see a little

2090
02:02:04.520 --> 02:02:07.880
rowboat and they manage to mess like rescue the guy

2091
02:02:07.880 --> 02:02:11.000
in the rowboat. And this guy is like haggard and

2092
02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:13.680
looks like he's been lost to see for years, and

2093
02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:16.000
he says, like all he says is, we've got to

2094
02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:17.680
get out of here. And they say, this is the

2095
02:02:17.680 --> 02:02:19.960
only land we can find for miles. We need to

2096
02:02:19.960 --> 02:02:22.279
stop and like get food, and he says, no, you

2097
02:02:22.319 --> 02:02:24.800
don't understand. You don't want to go there. This is

2098
02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:28.199
the island where dreams come true. And as a kid,

2099
02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:33.960
that kind of sounds boss, yeah, until he explains like, no,

2100
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this isn't the dreams that you think of. This isn't

2101
02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:41.680
your hopes, this is your dreams. These are the things

2102
02:02:41.920 --> 02:02:45.479
in your mind that you can't control. And everybody on

2103
02:02:45.560 --> 02:02:50.960
the ship like quickly realizes what that means. And I remember, like,

2104
02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:55.840
you know, Lewis describes that someone hears scissors and it

2105
02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:59.119
gets louder and louder and that starts driving them insane,

2106
02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:02.600
and someone else like, here's the voice of a school

2107
02:03:02.600 --> 02:03:05.279
teacher that was really mean to them. But then it

2108
02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:09.720
gets louder and then it gets like closer, And that,

2109
02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:15.359
as a child, like really drove home that what maybe

2110
02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:19.399
been dying to one person can be utterly terrifying to

2111
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the next. And I love that event Horizon took that

2112
02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:27.319
concept and dialed it up to eleven and ripped the

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02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:31.279
knob off sure, because you know, as a kid, that

2114
02:03:31.399 --> 02:03:33.920
was scary enough, and then as an adult it's like, yeah,

2115
02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:37.119
but what if we did more with that? Is really

2116
02:03:37.159 --> 02:03:38.000
really great to me?

2117
02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:40.960
What if we did more? And also Sam Neil and

2118
02:03:41.000 --> 02:03:42.079
also Sam Neil.

2119
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I mean, and Sam Neil and everything, And then you

2120
02:03:44.640 --> 02:03:49.399
put Sam Neil and Lawrence Fishburne together, You're gonna have

2121
02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:52.199
a good time, You absolutely are.

2122
02:03:52.359 --> 02:03:55.079
They're just consummate. They're so so good.

2123
02:03:56.079 --> 02:03:58.520
And like I said at the beginning, like if anyone

2124
02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:02.840
would have phoned in their performance, this movie would have

2125
02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:07.119
fallen apart, but everybody was so into it and gave

2126
02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:11.039
it it there all, So I just, yeah, definitely love

2127
02:04:11.079 --> 02:04:13.279
this movie and highly recommend it to everyone.

2128
02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:16.119
Yeah, they play it so legitimate. It really it's an

2129
02:04:16.199 --> 02:04:19.479
awesome scary movie. I hope you guys, if you haven't

2130
02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:21.600
seen it, you check it out. Thanks in part two

2131
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:24.600
our ranting and raving about how good it is. It

2132
02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:27.680
is kind of the top of the line of sci

2133
02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:30.800
fi horror, I think, but I'd love to be I'd

2134
02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:33.279
love to be proven wrong. Yeah, I would be totally

2135
02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:37.399
down to see something even scarier than Event Horizon, But

2136
02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:41.199
very little scares me as much as that. I just yeah,

2137
02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:44.000
like you were saying, like the idea of things you

2138
02:04:44.039 --> 02:04:46.920
imagine becoming reality, or things you dream of or want

2139
02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:50.920
or becoming reality, that's scary. And then the idea of like,

2140
02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:55.560
you know, messing with natural forces can have unintended consequences,

2141
02:04:55.560 --> 02:04:58.159
and having the unintended consequences go so far beyond anything

2142
02:04:58.199 --> 02:05:02.359
you could even guess super scary. These are the things

2143
02:05:02.359 --> 02:05:05.199
that scare me a lot, and and it's easy. It's

2144
02:05:05.199 --> 02:05:07.600
like when Star Trek did the episode where Barclay was

2145
02:05:07.640 --> 02:05:08.920
afraid of the Transporter.

2146
02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:09.880
Oh, I love that one.

2147
02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:12.920
I love that because, like, why wouldn't you be Why

2148
02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:15.600
wouldn't at least some of the people be afraid? It's

2149
02:05:15.680 --> 02:05:18.600
kind of a scary idea. So that's the other point

2150
02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:21.920
is like it brings the humanity and a realism to

2151
02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:25.039
sci fi to have these kinds of concepts that like

2152
02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.640
what happens when you are exposed to this or you

2153
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:31.840
know this seems mundane, But isn't the reality very scary

2154
02:05:31.880 --> 02:05:36.119
compared to like normal everyday life. Yes, it is. So Yeah,

2155
02:05:36.159 --> 02:05:39.399
I just love Event Horizon and I think everybody should

2156
02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:41.119
check it out. It bombed at the box office but

2157
02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:44.000
has become a real cult hit and I love it.

2158
02:05:44.239 --> 02:05:46.319
Check it out. Paramount Plus is the best place to

2159
02:05:46.359 --> 02:05:50.199
watch it. Yeah, So you have anything else you want

2160
02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:51.720
to say before we we hop on out?

2161
02:05:52.399 --> 02:05:56.039
Um, don't mess with space time.

2162
02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:58.399
Oh. I thought you're gonna say we're covering Evil Dead

2163
02:05:58.479 --> 02:06:00.560
next time too.

2164
02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:05.920
So yeah, we're gonna do Evil Dead next time because

2165
02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:08.439
we watched We watched all of Ash versus Evil Dead,

2166
02:06:08.520 --> 02:06:09.840
so now we're like, we got to go back.

2167
02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.439
Now we want to watch it all again. So and

2168
02:06:12.520 --> 02:06:16.119
I find Evil Dead the first one sincerely scary. Yeah,

2169
02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:18.479
and a lot of people think mostly about Evil Dead

2170
02:06:18.479 --> 02:06:20.840
two an Army of Darkness, which I love both of

2171
02:06:20.880 --> 02:06:23.800
those quite a bit, but they're not scary like Evil

2172
02:06:23.800 --> 02:06:28.000
Dead one is. Evil Dead one is really a creepy movie. Yeah.

2173
02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:31.119
I watched it so many times alone in my bedroom

2174
02:06:31.159 --> 02:06:34.279
after one in the morning on tape. And I'll talk

2175
02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:36.239
about that plenty when we get back next time, which

2176
02:06:36.239 --> 02:06:39.279
will likely be next week. Not making any total promises,

2177
02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:43.000
but likely. So Yeah. With all that being said, I

2178
02:06:43.039 --> 02:06:48.039
guess it's time to head out, all right, So thank

2179
02:06:48.079 --> 02:06:50.039
you guys so much for listening to cutting deep into

2180
02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:52.760
horror with myself and Rachel Ridolfi. If you love what

2181
02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:54.199
you heard and you want to send us an email,

2182
02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:57.079
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2183
02:06:57.159 --> 02:07:01.479
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2184
02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:03.520
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02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:05.239
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2187
02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:12.079
show going and going and going. But otherwise we'll be

2188
02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:14.680
back very very soon talking about more of the horror

2189
02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:18.720
movies that sincerely scare me. Somebody that people think would

2190
02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:21.520
be a jaded horror movie lover, but I'm not so

2191
02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:24.079
anything else you want to say, Rach before we hop

2192
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on out of here and head into warp drive.

2193
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Where we're going, we don't need eyes.

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