Cutting Deep Into Horror | Dark Nature (2022)

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Ah, just smell that fresh air, Rachel, Yeah it is. It

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is pretty nice out here. I've
got to admit, I know, I'm

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so glad I decided to do this
week's episode in the forest. You know,

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a place that is honestly just so
beautiful, especially at night. I

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would assume I have never actually been
in the forest at night. In fact,

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this is my first time in a
forest at all, but I can

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only imagine it gets more beautiful when
bathed under moonlight, when only the glowing

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eyes of predator animals could even see
us. I didn't bring a tent because

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I figured we want to look up
at the stars and said killing eyes.

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Ah, there's so much to unpack
there. No, there isn't because I

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didn't bring us any food or weapons
to protect ourselves either. Honestly, we've

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really packed, in my opinion,
very spelt. I feel good about it,

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how about you? This podcast is
about why horror scares us, what

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deep, dark, secret scary cinema
shines a light on. The discussions are

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praying and involve conversations about abuse,
trauma, and mental health. There are

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awesome spoilers, so keep that in
mind too. Now, sharpen your machetes

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and straight razors because this is Cutting
Deep into Horror. Hello everybody, and

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welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I am, of course your host,

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Enrique Kuto here with my ever fearful
co host and Rugged outdoors woman Rachel

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Rodolphie. Hey, guys, and
this week we're going to be talking about

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a movie that neither of us had
seen because it was very recent in its

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release, and it was a recommendation
of one of the fans who listen and

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a good friend of mine click Nick
click, She recommended this one to us.

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It's called A Dark Nature from two
thousand and twenty two. And I

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do want to mention for those of
you out there who have been commenting over

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on Spotify. I'm reading those comments. M They've been requesting that we review

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certain films and we're going to yeah, just not today. All well,

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this was actually the first suggestion we
got from a fan was was to do

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Dark Nature. So, but Rache, before we go into this, how

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are you doing. I'm doing pretty
all right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Is it because I made
you kisids? Yeah yeah, that

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definitely. That definitely didn't hurt I
cook for you too much. I worry

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you're gonna get spoiled. Oh please
don't stop, because I made you twitty

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case so like two days ago.
Yeah, have you eaten your leftovers yet?

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Not yet? That's probably gonna be. That's gonna be my dinner tomorrow.

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The better be it's gonna be or
else. I assume you kept more

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of it, and you gave me
to keep for myself. So I tried.

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I tried to be even did you? Did you let your heart weigh

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it out though, instead of your
brain, because your heart is gonna want

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to take more of that cheesy treiso
goodness. But no, no, no,

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I'm glad you're doing well. I
am doing pretty well, but I

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can't lie. Spooky season is the
most exciting and stressful time of year for

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me. It has been most of
my life. Since my career started out

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doing horror films. It was the
busiest time of the year. It was

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like, oh, you promote horror
movies, Well, then you've got to

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go to Cleveland and Atlanta and Indianapolis
and New York and Philadelphia and you're like,

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oh cool, Oh that's just in
October. Since COVID, that part

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has chilled out a little bit.
I'm not I'm not having to hit the

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road as much, although I'd like
to get back on the road a little

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bit more. Instead, it's the
sheer amount of new Weekly Spook listeners.

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And you know who you are.
If you're listening to this right now,

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you're you're probably there's a good chance
you're brand new, because when Spooky season

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comes, the Weekly Spooky listenership elevates
so massively. And I've been teasing on

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the show that October is going to
be an unbelievably epic time for Weekly Spooky

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And I'm not kidding. We're gonna
publish at least twenty five times in October.

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That's a lot. I thought you
werena say that's over twenty two times.

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I was like, it is,
it is, But no, We've

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got so much stuff coming, so
much stuff planned, and including at least

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two episodes of cutting deep into horror, where I'll go ahead and mention it

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now we are going to talk about
Murder Party, one of my all time

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favorite Halloween time horror comedies. I
like, you're like, yes, you're

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the way who suggested it. Well, I can still be excited that we

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get to watch it again. I'll
have to talk to a lawyer, but

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maybe perhaps, but no, No, we're gonna to talk about that probably

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next time you guys hear from us
in October. But that being said,

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I'm spending all of my time,
all of the whatever you would call free

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time, I'm doing air quotes.
I was spent almost holy recording these episodes

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because I mean we're talking. We
usually publish maybe three times a week,

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and now we're going to publish like
six times a week, maybe more.

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Yeah, it's just it's daunting.
It's a lot of talking. Well I

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mean that, yeah, you know, yeah, I guess I'd get away

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with that. Got a loud mouth
on me. Kids. So anyway,

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so we got Dark Nature, and
I wanted to talk about this movie because

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Nick Klick suggested it and she's a
good pal of ours. We hang out

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with her at the Cigar Lounge,
and she happens to be a fellow spooky.

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Yeah, and speaking of the spookies, if you love what we do

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here at Weekly Spooky, the horror
stories, the talk shows, it's become

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a whole universe of spooky. You
can hang out with others bookies by going

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on Facebook and typing in Weekly Spooki's
Tomb of Terror. That's a place where

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over I think now we're at two
hundred spookies, it might be more we

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all hang out and mostly share memes
or weird news stories. Yeah, it's

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really fun and you're a very active
contributor on there. Well, I just

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love the spooky. Well, well, then what are you going to be

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following? Uh? I just threw
you under the bus so hard. Sure,

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don't ask me either. A kick
in the face. So with that

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all out of the way. Dark
Nature was made in two thousand and twenty

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two, but released in the United
States in two thousand and twenty three.

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It was actually released May nineteenth in
North America, so I guess it wasn't

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in Canada earlier. It's a production
from Epic Pictures Group. They are known

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for Tales of Halloween and many other
really fun indie films, but this was

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a Canadian production and it had a
lot of different types of Canadian money.

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Because we were making jokes about how
many logos were at the beginning. It

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just kept going and going and going. But uh yeah. So made two

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released in twenty twenty three, and
it's written and directed by Berkeley Brady in

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her directorial debut, and Berkeley Brady
I believe was I was trying to do

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a little dive into her, but
I guess she worked in television and did

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a little bit of like short film
work and stuff like that. So but

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this is her feature debut, and
I think it's a pretty solid debut.

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Yeah, I would have to agree. And it is a one of my

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favorite types of films in general,
not just favorite types of horror films.

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It is a nature survival story.
Yeah, and I am a sucker for

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nature survival stories. Give me the
edge with Alec Baldwin and uh, and

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what's his name, Hannibal lecteror oh, oh god, Anthony. That's it.

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For the sake of ambiance, we
always do this show together late at

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night. It's not at all because
we're trying to squeeze it into our extremely

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busy schedules. No, no,
no, no, that's not it,

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not even not even a little bit. Whoever said that's a jerk? Uh?

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But so we we put this one
on and Rache, why don't you

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run people down on what it's about. Well, it is not just a

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nature survival movie, but it's also
kind of it dives deep into, uh,

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what it takes to survive abuse and
not just survive abuse, but kind

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of like thrive afterward. Well,
if you'd mentioned that the setup was that

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these are all abused women going into
the woods, we might have been able

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to figure that out a little bit
faster. What's the synopsis? What's likely

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about so er er? Uh?
So? The synopsis is that there is

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an abused woman who is finally kind
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retreat by one of her friends,
and she's very, very skeptical of all

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of it, but when she gets
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it a little bit. But then
the longer they're there, the more they

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realize things aren't what they seem and
the woods seem to be a little more

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hostile than they thought. Well,
and they're not just on a camping trip.

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It's a therapy camping trip for women
who have suffered abuse in trauma.

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Yes, so yeah, not your
average kind of camping trip. And it

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takes a bit of a for lack
of a better term, kind of a

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supernatural turn, or maybe it's an
extremely natural turn, depending on how you

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view the world. Because it's all
about being on native land in Canada and

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how this land used to be supported
by sacrifices of some sort, and they

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never mention what kinds of sacrifices.
They say offerings, yes, and that

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does not mean that it was human
or animal or living at all. Offerings

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can be bushels of corn. Offerings
can be silver and gold. Offerings can

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be your time and effort, can
they? I don't know, Okay,

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I've never I've not I've not heard
that in any of the native stuff I've

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studied. But that doesn't mean it's
not true. Well, I'm I'm I

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mean more like in a broad sense, because I'm glad you brought that up,

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because that's something that I was thinking
about after the movie, like as

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I was making my notes. So
that's something that I know we're eventually going

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to talk on. Sure, an
offering doesn't have to be something physical.

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It could also just be you know, sentimental. Yeah, sentimental, Okay,

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so I can appreciate that A good
way to put Oh, whever I

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get a chance, I use the
term sentimental. I think it's I love

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it. I love that term.
So. So, the main character,

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her name is Joy, and she
escapes an abusive boyfriend. You did you

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did skip a lot on your on
your synopsis synopsis, but Joyous escapes her

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abusive boyfriend Derek after he attempts to
strangle her to death, but then she

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gets away and then he kills her
dog, a little small, white,

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fluffy dog. Yeah, and that
was I guess the final straw for her

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to get the hell out of that
relationship. Yeah, which is fair,

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I would I would say, so, Yeah, I mean I have I

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have fourteen thousand dollars in veterinary death
that says I would do anything for my

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dogs. So so now yeah,
So now we jump ahead the six months

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later, and she's waiting to be
picked up by her best friend Carmen in

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order to go to this retreat in
the woods with the therapist doctor Dunley.

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Yeah. So, and Dunley specializes
in trauma and in particular in traumatized women.

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Yeah. And then they meet up
with oh, what is her name?

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Tara? Yes, is already in
the car, I believe, or

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they pick her up. I can't
remember she was she was already in the

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car. Yeah. And she is
another woman who is a bit catty and

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a bit distant. Is that a
fair way to put it? Yeah,

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I would say she's very distant.
She's definitely not as catty or as antagonistic

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as Shana. Oh no, shame
is a jerk. Yeah, but with

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this one, she'll she'll like say
things like, yeah, didn't you know,

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Like it's like the ancient symbol that
when a hood's up, then don't

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talk to them. And then she
just puts her on the She's just kind

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of she's guarded is a better way
to put it than distant. She's extremely

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guarded. Yeah, And they're driving
along in their car. You feel free

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to take it up from me from
here. I'm just kind of setting you

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up well. As they're as they're
driving along, first off, they see

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a wrecked car on the side of
the road, and nobody really at that

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point, nobody else seems to pay
attention except Joy a little bit, but

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she's always on edge. And then
a like bow Hunter steps out into the

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road and she starts having a flashback
because we're kind of seeing the seeing the

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world through through her eyes. So
there's a lot of flashbacks and there's a

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lot of you know, just kind
of remembering the trauma. And that was

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kind of important because it does kind
of show you, like how bad the

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relationship was that it's still affecting her
even though it's been like six months.

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Well, I think that that opening
scene would affect anybody for a long time.

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Yeah, but it kind of shows
that it was a long lasting relationship.

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Well, and the thing that caused
him to attack her was that she,

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for a reason that we don't know
yet in the film, decided she

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did not want to be intimate.
Yeah, they were supposed to have like

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a romantic night together, and then
she turned him down for intimacy and then

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he got super super mad. Eventually
he built up and built up and built

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up, And I want to mention
Joy is played by Hannah Emily Anderson,

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an actress many people may know from
Jigsaw, What Keeps You Alive and the

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TV series version of The Purge.
That's where I knew her. The moment

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we were watching it, I was
like, I know her from somewhere,

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and then I remembered she was in
The Purge. The TV series of The

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Purge, which is excellent and people
should watch it. And I'm still mad

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that it got canceled. You are
mad about that that was such a good

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show. The second season of the
Purge TV series. You don't understand The

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second season of the Purge TV series
is literally every day that isn't the purge,

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Okay, that's kind of cool.
It's the entire world building. You

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get to see how they clean up
bodies, how they handle the legal system

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when it comes back online. They
do things like there's there are these people

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who rob a bank during the purge
and because it's legal, and when when

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the horn or the siren or whatever
you wanna call it, the horn plays,

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that tells you the purge is over. They're they're running out of the

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bank with the money, and literally
law enforcement are watching the surveillance video and

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and looking at the time compared to
when the sound of the horn sounds,

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because if they're out of the threshold
before the horn sounds, then it's not

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a crime. But if their foot
is still half in the bank when the

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horn sounds, it's a crime.
Like it's it's the ultimate world building,

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elements of the Perfect School. The
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TV series really takes it to eleven, especially that second season where you see

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that like they tag and bag people
and and how like you get a state

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funded earn with your loved ones ashes
in it, which is not your loved

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one's ashes. It's just some ashes
that they have, they like show how

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it's all done. It's it's like
mass market, it's like McDonald's, you

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know, but for for like you
know, it's just a little thing that

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says, like, your family member
died on the Purge, thank you for

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your service to the society. It's
a good show. The first season is

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pretty much like a really long Purge
movie. But the second season is like

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the most world buildingist thing ever so
because literally the first episode it's like,

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in the first six minutes, a
Purge night ends, and then the ten

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episodes is just leading to the next
Purge night. So good, so good.

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Sorry, The Purge is one of
the best examples of world building we've

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had in a long time, outside
of you know, like Marvel and stuff.

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Just exquisite world building. Yeah,
so anyway, not to talk about

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that too much, but I wanted
to make sure I gave Hannah Emily Anderson.

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This is her film, she stars
in it. I wanted to make

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sure I gave her her due because
her character's exhausted, tormented face. Yeah,

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something I have not seen at least
since I looked in the mirror this

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morning. So you found it are
relatable. I I just found it very

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startling. Yeah, much like I
do first thing in the morning when I

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look at the mirror. Yeah,
but uh no. So anyway, so

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they're driving along, they find the
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and then they find the bow hunter, who turns out there's another bow hunter

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as well, and they claim that
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the friend of our lead character,
seems skeptical yea of the concept that

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they've lost their dog. I don't
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just because she's not very trusting of
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of them are. Well, but
I'm talking about she's the one who reacted

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to it the most. I thought, Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. So

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anyway, please So as when when
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and as the group is getting ready
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just is really very very hesitant about
the whole process and the whole situation,

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and she feels like an outsider very
much. I mean she is. Yeah,

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she's the only person there who has
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Exactly. So she's brand new and
she doesn't know anyone in the group,

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and she doesn't feel like she fits
in or she belongs. But doctor

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Dunley is able to kind of convince
her to go. But that's when Shana,

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the participant, who is already there, she really starts kind of like

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really really roasting joy. Yeah,
she's very harsh. She was. Her

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character Shena and doctor Dunley both appeared
to be native and in heritage. Yeah,

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by the way, I mean worth
mentioning, because the movie is financed

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by a grant for Native studies or
Native Entertainment or whatever, and it seems

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like that's why they chose to be
out in these woods in particular, because

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she's like the right hand woman of
doctor Dunley exactly. She's like the first

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patient patient, and so she's the
one that kind of has the most experience

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with doctor Dunley. Well, she
also has the most damage because she did

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not come out of just a bad
relationship. She was in war two tours.

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was Iraq? I think it was

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Afghanistan. I want to say it
was a Afghanistan. And so she's got

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a very like Oh, that's cute. Your boyfriend was mean kind of attitude,

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which is my first thought was like, what a jerk, you know,

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she starts laying into joy almost immediately, which helps to make her feel very,

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very comfortable. But luckily doctor Dunley
kind of she a boss on that

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tell her to stop. But well, and we'll get to more of that

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after we take this quick break and
we'll be right back on cutting deep into

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horror. So we've met our resident
bitch character. And I don't think that

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that's I don't think that's harsh or
overstating. I think that I think that

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Shana is clearly kind of a bitch. Yeah. And that's the thing is,

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like Tara is the aloof one,
Shana is the one where you're like,

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man, I just kind of actually
hate her because she's not easy too,

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not easy to get along with.
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mention real quick. She's played by
Rosanne or Rosanna depending on how you want

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to say Supernault and she is a
well known Native American Indian actress cool and

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uh. She was most known as
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which I have not seen, but
I have actually heard is really good.

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So I just want to mention because
she's like definitely playing a heavy but she's

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got a lot going on. Yeah
you know, she's clearly she's not mean

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because she's mean. She mean because
she's just seen a lot. Mmmmmm,

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so please. Uh So, as
the group's walking along, they find a

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broken trail cam and that's when it's
kind of revealed that there may possibly be

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bears in the area. Oh yeah, yeah, wild animals, and joy

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seems to be the only one who's
really like, hey, wait, this

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isn't this is a problem, And
everyone's like, no, no, no,

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bears are a normal part. They
live in the woods. Where do

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you think they live in the suburbs. That's when that's when Joyce starts having

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nightmares. And at first they play
it off like the nightmares may just be

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trauma from having an exactly, but
she starts. She starts, even in

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this very first nightmare, seeing weird
things like in the forest or different scenery

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that you know, just has no
relation to anything else other than that it's

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in the forest. So that's the
first hint that there may be something else

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going on, right, right.
So the next morning, she and Carmen

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are performing a trust exercise in the
forest. Yes and Joy hears what she

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is positive is Derek calling her name. Yes right, yeah, and that

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would be startling. Although I feel
like, tell me if you didn't get

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this vibe. I got the vibe
that there was no way he's there.

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was actually there. I assumed that it

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was all into her head. Yeah, okay, yeah, And I at

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first I was kind of wondering if
it was going to be like her just

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going crazy while the rest of the
group did not go crazy, and seeing

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like where that could go, because
it seemed at first that she was just

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she's the one having nightmares and she's
the one hearing things, So I thought

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that it was going to be all
exclusively in her head. So after they're

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doing the trust exercises, Tara and
Shana they're the ones who are paired off

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doing their own trust exercise, and
Shana, who is a real real charmer,

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she starts kind of making fun of
Tara and doing a like a cougar

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or a puma impersonation. Well,
she starts making the sound and saying,

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what is that? What is that? If you don't know what that is,

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you shouldn't be in the woods kind
of thing exactly because she was.

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She was trying to prove like she's
way more prepared or something. Yeah,

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I mean she say she has everything
to prove. Shana has pretty much everything

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to prove and to nobody but herself
exactly exactly. So this like set tear

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off though, So she ran off
on her own, and she also starts

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hallucinating. Now that's when she has
a hallucination that her riss rebound and that

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someone's coming at her. But Joy, who would also run off because of

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her own hallucination, they kind of
like bump into each other and there they

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start comparing notes about like, hey, we're not feeling right out here in

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the woods. We feel like there's
something else maybe going on. Well,

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underwriting all of this is the fact that

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Joy is pretty much convinced that doctor
Dunley is has got them lost. Doctor

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Dunley has no idea where they are
in the forest, and that's not that's

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not where you want to be kids. You don't want to be in that

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situation. No, that would not
be good. So unfortunately though for Joy,

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no one else is willing to believe
that they need to turn back,

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so they all keep just going forward. Well, and our argument that they

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need to go back is that a
boyfriend followed them all the way out there,

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and also there might be a monster, like a like some kind of

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a bear monster. Pretty convincing,
right, will you put it like that?

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I mean, I guess I understand
why they didn't immediately do what she

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asked exactly. So at this point
they're going downhill a Ravine and Carmen,

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who I get the feeling that Carmen
and Joy have known each other the longest.

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Carmen at that point is the one
who's really kind of like begging Joy,

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like, please please just keep coming, keep coming on the trail with

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us, Like I know that you, I know that you don't think that

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this is gonna work, but at
least give it a shot. And Joy

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like really agrees at that point,
She's like, Okay, like, despite

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the fact that I'm feeling really weird
and I feel like I'm being pursued by

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my boyfriend, then I guess,
for your sake, I'm going to keep

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going on the trail with you.
So, as a woman, do you

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feel like how do you feel about
the way they're depicting this clash of personality

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so far. I mean, I
feel like it's pretty fair because there there

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is always going to be in any
social group, there is going to be

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the antagonistic one, the person that
feels like they always have something to prove.

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There's going to be, you know, the person who is feels like

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the outsider and has a hard time
blending in. Sure, definitely, So

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I really think that they did a
pretty fair job of portraying it. And

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I think that part of what drew
me in for it, drew me in

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with it was really the relationship between
Carmen and Joy, because I saw a

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lot of the good friendships that I've
had in the past, I saw that

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in them. I was like,
yeah, you know that that really is

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like a tough place for both of
them to be because Carmen is the one

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who really wants to see Joy thrive
and Joy is the one who doesn't feel

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like she can because of all of
the baggage that she's carrying with her.

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So and having them try to work
through all of this set in the wilderness,

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I thought that was a pretty interesting
backdrop because it was kind of like

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their journey through the wilderness was also
their journey through all the trauma that Joy

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had survived and kind of coming out
to the other side. And the doctor

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even references that when they look at
steep hills or deep inclines or what have

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you, that they'll that you'll be
surprised what you are actually capable of,

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is what she tells Joy. When
Joy's just like, we have to go

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down that hill or whatever, She's
like, you'd be surprised what you can

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actually do, which I think makes
sense from a therapy standpoint. Oh yeah,

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very much. Just sounds like something
I would hear a therapist say,

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you know so, and yeah,
so I like that element quite a bit.

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Although it did there is this sense
of paranoia that Joy kind of instills

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in the audience where we kind of
wonder if doctor Dunley is a quack,

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and we kind of wonder why Shane
has such a jerk and why and why

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what's her distant weird? Because she
really is, yeah, like way out

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and yeah. And then of course
Carmen also seems to be kind of carrying

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a lot. Yeah because help me, remember did they reference what her deal

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was? I mean, they reference
that she had like a really bad situation

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a long time ago. Yeah,
it was that she had a really bad

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situation a long time ago. And
from what I gathered, part of the

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reason that she was carrying so much
is because she was just so fed up

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of everything that Joy had been going
through, because it reminded her so much

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of what she had already. There's
a lot of resentment towards Joy going on

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in her part. Oh absolutely,
And they even address that in the last

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act of the movie. Yes,
they do so again, That's why.

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That's why I feel like that relationship
in particular was the strongest one for me,

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and that's the one that really carried
the carried the movie for me.

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Was those two really had a lot
of chemistry together that I think worked really

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well. Okay, yeah, I
would, I mean I would definitely agree.

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ones who are like longtime friends as

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well. Their characters are so now, what's happening now? So we've had

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the hallucination experience, We've had the
infighting about are we lost? Should we

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turn back? And everybody's like,
no, we can't turn back, because

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you know, the whole point is
to put ourselves out there to take chances

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to risk something so that we feel
alive. Yeah, and uh, well,

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now that they are, now that
they are finally on the same page,

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that they're going to stay on the
trail and they're going to keep going

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on. They're sitting around the camp
fire and it's kind of a breakthrough moment

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for Joy as they're sitting there talking
and there they're kind of again Joy being

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the outsider. It's it's referenced very
subtly, but it's done very well because

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they're all talking about kind of like
how bad shane As trauma was or how

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bad TERA's trauma was, and there's
always this little bit of question of whether

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Joy's trauma was bad enough. And
she starts getting down on herself because of

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how many times she forgave her ex
and said no, you can come back.

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But she talks about like she could
have done things better and there's more

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that she could have done that would
have kept the relationship going. And I

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thought that was interesting because then a
little while later, she and doctor Dunley

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are talking about the hallucinations that she's
having and all the things that are going

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on in the woods, and doctor
Dunley, you know, she says that

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she feels that this is all safe, and Joy says like, well,

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I think basically that you're you know
that you're crazy. I think you brought

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us all out here because you thought
it's a quick way to make a buck,

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and you think we don't know any
better basically, And doctor Dunley said,

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well, I want you to know, like your greatest fear is that

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I'm fooling you, But my greatest
fear is that I would hurt one of

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my patients, and I would never
do that. And that's why I bring

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them here is because it's sacred land. And she explains like the natives used

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to bring offerings to a spirit that
lived on this land and that spirit would

407
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.480
offer like, you know, healing
blessings, and Joy asks, well,

408
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.599
what happened to the spirit when people
stopped giving it blessings? And doctor Dunley

409
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.119
said, oh, well that's that's
a good question. And you and I

410
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.920
both kind of looked at each other
and you're like, oh, there's there's

411
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:01.720
love. The answer all she said
was that's a good question, and that

412
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.160
was it. And I like that
moment because it's like, yeah, I

413
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.119
mean well, but also I kind
of got that as a shrugging like nobody

414
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.279
really believes in any of this anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It's

415
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.920
all it's all symbolic now. And
but I did like that, Yeah,

416
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.200
that and that hint about what is
up in the nature with with the area

417
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.880
with the forest, with the woods
is extra interesting because now we're we're pretty

418
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:31.039
deep into the movie, you know, and there's been almost no monster,

419
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:38.319
just these hallucinations, these these more
real, like grounded in reality fears,

420
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.799
which I can appreciate. I like
a good real, reality based fear,

421
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.440
yea. And now we're at a
point where what we're really worried about is

422
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.880
do we know who these people are
that we're hanging out with? Do we

423
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.319
know who these people are that joys
with? And what is going on?

424
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.759
Like is her boyfriend track her and
these women through the woods? And I

425
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.480
get why doctor Dunley is not even
freaked out, because she's like, even

426
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.200
if he is, like, there
are four of us, yeah, you

427
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.519
know, and one of us is
a freaking army veteran, and she'll just

428
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.800
knock him down and break his larynx, you know. And I don't blame

429
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.719
her for feeling that way. I
get what she's what she's throwing down.

430
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:22.079
Yeah. So so now though,
things start to get a little bit scarier.

431
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:31.280
Yeah, well, it begins to
escalate when that night Joy has a

432
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.320
nightmare and she kind of gets up
and has to walk it off basically,

433
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:43.880
and notices that everyone else is awake
too, and everyone else starts talking about

434
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:49.639
they're having nightmares, and they all
start describing the same exact nightmare, and

435
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:54.199
so they start to realize that,
Okay, it's not just that Joy is

436
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.880
kind of having like these PTSD flashbacks, and it's not just that you know,

437
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.000
Tara's having her you know, whatever
is going on with her. This

438
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:10.039
is something that's going on with the
whole group. And so now everyone else

439
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.840
is starting to get more on edge, except for doctor Dunley, but everyone,

440
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.480
all the other women are really starting
to get on edge because now it's

441
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:25.079
not just one person, it's the
whole group. They're all kind of shaken

442
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:32.039
by that reality. So now the
next morning, right, and there's a

443
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.840
bit of a concerning surprise that they
discover first thing in the morning, and

444
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:52.559
we'll get to that right after this
quick break, and we are back,

445
00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:00.800
and now what has happened in the
what have they realized they've woken up.

446
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.320
Well, they've realized there's two things
missing. Okay, first things that's missing

447
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.880
is Tara. Nobody knows where she
is. Oh, that's not that big

448
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.199
a deal. No, no,
no, No. What is important though,

449
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.360
is all the food is gone.
Oh, well, that that would

450
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:24.199
be a problem. And that obviously
creates quite a problem because some of them

451
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.360
think that they should just head back
immediately because they're already you know, two,

452
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:34.599
three, several days out. Yeah, so without that food, they're

453
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:39.400
not going to last very long.
But especially doctor Donny, she doesn't She

454
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.079
does not want to leave Tara alone. And Carmen wants to go search for

455
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:52.000
Tara with doctor Dunny. But doctor
Dunney says, like, basically, she's

456
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.719
the only one who understands the true
depths of Tara's trauma, so she's the

457
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.480
only one who could kind of understand
where Tara's spaces at this point. Well,

458
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.360
and Tara was already kind of enigmatic
and distant and hard to read.

459
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.639
Yeah, so the fact that she
disappeared and potentially took all their food too

460
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:16.800
questionable. Yeah, it's not a
good sign. No, And and and

461
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.440
you know, leaving her alone would
not be the wisest movie either. No,

462
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:28.920
so that's they kind of decide to
they decide to look for but doctor

463
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:35.679
Dunny, against better judgment, she
goes off on her own and pretty much

464
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:42.760
immediately they start hearing, you know, screaming and some not so good noises,

465
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:50.480
so they go running after her.
So it's Carmen and Shana and Joy,

466
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.800
and Shana is kind of beside herself
because doctor Dunny is kind of like

467
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.880
her rock because of all the things
she's been for and that doctor Donny has

468
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.920
helped her through, so she's really
beside herself. So they kind of come

469
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.119
up to the top of a hill
and Shana runs up to the top of

470
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:15.519
the hill and there's blood everywhere,
or at least there might be blood everywhere,

471
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:23.480
and we see kind of a a
dismembered leg and then Shana starts having

472
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:30.800
a really bad flashback of her experiences
of what she saw overseas, and that

473
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.960
was kind of like a redeeming moment, at least for me. That was

474
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.199
a redeeming moment for her because you
start to see the depths of really it's

475
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.719
not an excuse to be an asshole, but you see the depths of the

476
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.559
darkness she's going through that cause her
to be such an asshole. Sure,

477
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:53.119
sure, definitely she gets her do
yeah, exactly, So she gets herd

478
00:38:53.760 --> 00:39:00.400
but unfortunately, and you know her
kind of state, she falls down off

479
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.480
the off the edge of the cliff
and kind of meets her end, and

480
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.480
which I didn't love. I felt
like it was kind of a sudden I

481
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.679
felt like I felt like she deserved
a little bit more. Yeah, But

482
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.840
at the same time, yeah,
like I do get why they had to

483
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.400
dispatch of her quickly, because you
had to leave the most sitting duck of

484
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:29.119
characters exactly for themselves exactly, and
she she was like one of the most

485
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.159
competent as far as like defending herself, So I kind of get why you've

486
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:38.719
got to pick her off. So
that really just leaves like Joy and Joy

487
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.280
and Carmen kind of on their on
their own at that point. Uh.

488
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.000
So they hear more screaming and more
wailing, and they follow it and they

489
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:57.679
find a cave. Yes, and
as as you would expect, you gotta

490
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.440
go in. But in their defense, they're not just dumb horror movie people.

491
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.480
They do hear they hear something,
Yeah, like they know someone is

492
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.440
in there, and they're desperately looking
for someone right, Well, because they

493
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.360
can't get back on their own,
like it's not like their Wilderness Revival people.

494
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.000
Yeah, but neither. I mean
I guess they're hoping to get done

495
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:21.000
Lee too. Yeah, and she
might be able to get them out exactly.

496
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.760
So I think they're kind of hoping
for her. I would hope for

497
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:29.360
a satellite phone. I recommend your
Idium. Well, you always hope for

498
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:35.960
your ridiums. We're not sponsored by
your Iridium yet, but your ridium satellite

499
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:43.119
phones they always work because of eccentric
orbits. I know, I read the

500
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.960
book about it. I know you
did that. You were so excited when

501
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:52.199
you read that really good book.
Anyway, Okay, so they go into

502
00:40:52.199 --> 00:41:00.920
the cave and they definitely see like
bloody tracks, so they know that someone

503
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:06.440
is in there, and they do
at least grab for some protection. They

504
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.119
like grab some sticks and stuff,
and I mean, yeah, the most,

505
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.039
the most, the best attempt they
could call together. They grab some

506
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:20.360
big sticks. Well, when all
else there fails, there's big sticks.

507
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.840
I mean, you're not wrong,
You're not wrong at all. So they

508
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:30.239
do they do manage to find Tara
in the cave, and she's not doing

509
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:38.639
great. Carmen makes Joy take Tara
and kind of like press on to to

510
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:44.119
like make their escape so that Carmen
can say, stay down there and find

511
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:50.639
doctor Dunley. And then while Carmen
is down there, she does find doctor

512
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.960
Dunley, and she sees her down
at like the bottom of this pit,

513
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:00.639
and she reaches down to like kind
of grab her, and then this hideous

514
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.239
monster comes out of the darkness,
yes, and grabs the doctor and just

515
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.440
kind of like scuttles away into the
shadows with her. How would you describe

516
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:15.920
the monster you personally? Well,
it was it was semi humanoid but not

517
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:21.320
human, and it was like really
dark, kind of like a shadow creature

518
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:27.880
sort of thing going on, And
it definitely seemed like it was inspired by

519
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.559
like you know, whendigo or skin
walkers or something like that, Like it

520
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.280
had that that kind of inspiration to
it, but it was just kind of

521
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.039
like a humanoid shadow creature. Honestly, I thought it kind of looked like

522
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.199
a for lack of a better term, I thought it kind of looked like

523
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.920
a like a regular human size asquatch
almost. Yeah, kind of kind of

524
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.000
I could see that, Yeah,
Yeah, because it was it was like

525
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:58.960
dark and kind of hairy, and
yeah, it looked it looked very human

526
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:04.280
like, but definitely not any person
you'd ever want to meet or had ever

527
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:09.559
met. No, I wouldn't want
to know personally if if I could get

528
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.960
away with it fair enough. So
Joy and Tara are able to make their

529
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:22.000
escape, but obviously Tara's severely injured, so they it's not like they can

530
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:28.559
get far. Carmen is able to
make her own escape out of different exit,

531
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.440
but she's got to like jump down
kind of like a small waterfall,

532
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.400
and while she still gets into the
river, she like shreds her legs on

533
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.360
like these river rocks. So now
she's injured too. Yeah, that kind

534
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.800
of like got me unless she lay. Yeah, well, it's it's that

535
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.280
thing. It's like you watch a
horror movie and somebody can get decapitated and

536
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.159
you're like, yeah, that's gross. But then they cut themselves shaving,

537
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:57.239
you're like, ja, or they
rip a hangnail out. Yeah, stop

538
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.280
the pagase. The more you can
identify with the pain, the more it's

539
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:07.280
going to make you WinCE and cower. So, you know, a severely

540
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.079
skinned knee, a finger in a
car door, those are the things in

541
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.360
movies that will legit make a whole
audience wins when I When I premiered Babysitter

542
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:22.239
Massacre, there was a scene where
Achilles tendons get slit. Oh yeah,

543
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:29.440
and I guess that's a very identifiable
experience because the whole crowd went like all

544
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.880
at once when that knife swooped across
those those Achilles tendons. So it's you

545
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.960
know, there you have it.
I remember the first time I saw that

546
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:45.920
scene. It yeah, and it
was the easiest effect ever. Didn't didn't

547
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.960
even do any effects. It's just
the flat of the knife reveals the makeup.

548
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.880
That's all. It is. Sound
effect. Well, this sound effect

549
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.239
is what sells it. The effects
artist on that just did not believe it

550
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.760
would work at all. It was
Erica, you know, yeah, she

551
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:01.760
did not believe it would work at
all. She was so confused. She

552
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.840
was like, but how is it
going to cut her leg? And I'm

553
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.840
like, just do what I say. There's no time. I didn't even

554
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.599
you don't even have to trust me. Just do what I say. Oh.

555
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.679
But speaking of sound effects, though, yeah, that is one thing

556
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.679
that I wanted to mention is there's
a common element of Joy's hallucinations in this

557
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:29.800
movie is you know, her boyfriend
always had a zippo lighter that when he

558
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.159
would he would get irritated, he
would like click the zippo until he would

559
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.039
lash out and beat her. So
you're always hearing like this click click of

560
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:46.480
the zippo during her hallucinations. But
it was really cool because yeah, exactly,

561
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.039
shut up. But it still works
now fully artist, Yeah, not

562
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.199
the first time, won't be the
last either. So I thought it was

563
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.719
cool because at first it was kind
of like a just a sound effect motif,

564
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:08.079
but then around about halfway through the
movie, it started kind of bleeding

565
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.679
into the music a little bit where
it was becoming a little bit part of

566
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.559
like it was becoming percussion, part
of the percussion, and I thought that

567
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.920
was just a really cool creative choice. I've always liked when when artists blur

568
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.480
the lines, like James Cameron has
said on Terminator two that he can't tell

569
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.320
you what is the score and what
is the sound design because he doesn't know

570
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:36.159
Because Brad Fidel, who did the
music on Terminator Too, he would use

571
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:42.000
so many like industrial sounds and metallic
sounds in the score. Yeah, he

572
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.880
was like, I don't know who
did this at all. I just know

573
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.920
that it works and that I like
it. Yeah, that's all he's got.

574
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.760
Well he's right, I mean,
well, for you know, James

575
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.960
Cameron might be right every now and
then. I don't know. But no,

576
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.280
no, I but no, I
agree. I like that level of

577
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.000
creativity in the the score. They
kind of create. They turned that clicking

578
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.760
sound that makes you uneasy into a
part of the music, which makes you

579
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:12.039
even more uneasy because the music is
mostly following the monster, which is which

580
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.599
was a tradition started with Jaws and
continued with Friday the thirteenth, that music

581
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:22.599
will often follow the monster. Yeah. Although then you talked to Harry Manferdini,

582
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.519
who did the music on Friday thirteenth, and he'll say that they just

583
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:34.119
only wanted to pay for thirty minutes
of music. They're all good answers,

584
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.719
they're great answers. They're all phenomenal
answers, and I believe they're all true.

585
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.000
That's the best part, especially the
ones that contradict each other. Oh

586
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.400
those an't a fun one. Well, des face nine one of my one

587
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.679
of the greatest moments in Star Trek
Days nine when he says, Garrick,

588
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.800
I have to know you know is
what you know is it all true and

589
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.000
he said yes, and he was
like, what about the lies? And

590
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:59.119
he said, especially the lies.
That's one of my favorite lines ever,

591
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:05.280
especially the lies. So anyway,
we're talking about a movie though, Oh

592
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.360
yeah, that thing. I think
that this show would be completely derailed if

593
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:15.039
I didn't go on wild movie tangents. That's kind of why everyone's here,

594
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:20.039
right. Maybe I think the Weekly
Spooky audience has learned like, wow,

595
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:24.199
he is really a movie nerd,
like deeply a movie nerd. So but

596
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:30.079
now so we're getting into things are
getting to Harry pardon the expression, things

597
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.920
are getting things or things are not
looking great. The villains not a nice

598
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.039
dude. No, he's not trying
to be helpful. And he's possibly even

599
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.719
scarier than Derek the X. Oh, I think he's way scarier than Derek

600
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.880
the X. I had no offense
to the actor who played him, but

601
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.760
because I think he just did a
really good job and he's just this whispy

602
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.039
bitch of a man, you know, like I'm just I'm just saying like,

603
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.400
yeah, he didn't, he didn't
was not immediately threatening. Well,

604
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.440
but that's I think that that's the
point. I think he was actually really

605
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:07.119
well cast. I think that the
idea was, let's get a guy who's

606
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.920
just like a skinny, like relatively
well put together, but not so well

607
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:17.199
put together that you would think he's
vain guy who would totally just be somebody's

608
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:22.039
boyfriend, you know, like,
oh, I met Tina that pilates,

609
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.119
and there's her boyfriend, Derek,
and it's just a dude. You know.

610
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:29.639
So when he has this like severe
anger problem and he's gonna hurt his

611
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.960
girlfriend, he kills your dog,
You're just like, I wasn't expecting that,

612
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.480
you know, I was expecting him
to just kind of be a wafy

613
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.239
white dude, you know. I
wasn't expecting him to be so dark.

614
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.039
So I do think that that's on
purpose. So yeah, I mean I

615
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.639
find him about as threatening as a
cloudy day. But but you know,

616
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.400
when as we get to know the
relationship between him and Joy, it does

617
00:49:53.519 --> 00:50:02.000
definitely make it scarier. Yes,
And to me, the depiction of abuse

618
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:08.280
is pretty fair in the film,
I agree. I found that there were

619
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.440
a few elements that really stuck out
to me. One of them was joy

620
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:17.360
references that she put Derek through so
much exactly, and I actually really wish

621
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.960
they'd expanded on that a little bit
more. I wish they'd let her kind

622
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.400
of speak to that a little bit
more. Am I wrong? No?

623
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.760
No, I I think so,
because I think that was one of the

624
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:34.760
scenes that I referenced earlier where they
were all sitting around the campfire and they

625
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.039
were asking like how many chances did
you give? Did you give him?

626
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.760
And she's like, well, I
could have given more because I already put

627
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.320
him through so much. And it's
like, yeah, but they never said

628
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.880
what she put him through exactly.
I mean, I assume whatever it is,

629
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.360
it wasn't that bad or it was
reasonable. Yeah. And that's the

630
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.280
thing is like, when when you're
in the mindset of someone who has been

631
00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:00.280
abused, you feel like you're with
a problem, because that's what they the

632
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.119
abuser has been telling you, is
that you are the problem. Well,

633
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.079
and I mean this is a very
unpopular truth, but a lot of abusive

634
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:13.000
relationships go both ways. Now,
there may be one person who is far

635
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.679
more the aggressor or far more the
violent one, that's for sure, but

636
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.039
abuse abused people tend to throw you
throw fists back, and there's a reason

637
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:28.119
they both stay, and it's because
they're like addicted to that toxicity. Yes,

638
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.119
you know, I always tell people
when I'm talking about this kind of

639
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.239
level of like personal stuff, I
always tell them, like, remember,

640
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.239
it is totally possible to get addicted
to poison. I mean literally, not

641
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.840
figuratively, and it was also possible
figuratively, but literally, you can consume

642
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:47.000
small doses of poison again and again
and again and again and get your body

643
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.320
used to it, ye to where
you crave it, and then take it

644
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.519
away and you'll go through withdrawals from
a thing that's trying to kill you.

645
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.800
Yeah, And I think that that's
a you know, a great thought experiment

646
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.880
about being in an abusive situation.
Absolutely so. And that's why I was

647
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.760
like, I kind of wish she'd
said what she threw his way, like

648
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.280
maybe she was distant or cold or
something, and she thought that that validated

649
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.760
his anger. I don't think it
did, you know. I mean you

650
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.320
you know, there's no law against
being not a great girlfriend, you know,

651
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.440
like, and there's no right to
and there's no there's you know,

652
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.480
unless we're talking about the Bible where
it's like the stick has to be no

653
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.159
wider than the three fingers. I
think it was or something like that.

654
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.480
The switch it's you know it.
There's no law that says that if you

655
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:42.039
don't get what you want out of
a relationship, you're allowed to stick around

656
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.239
and just you know, scare it
out of them or beat it out of

657
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.599
them or whatever it is. So
it just because she could have any degree

658
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.920
of culpability, that doesn't mean that
it excuses what happened. It just kind

659
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.199
of sets the stage more accurately.
Yeah. So that's the one thing I

660
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.239
kind of wish is I did get
a little annoy that they didn't expand on

661
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.639
what she put him through. I
mean they did kind of not really,

662
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.800
and we'll get to that in a
minute, but like I kind of wish

663
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.280
they'd expand it on that more because
instead it just felt kind of like a

664
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.920
throwaway like thing that everybody always says, which is like I put them through

665
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.440
so much? But I was like, what did she do? Though?

666
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:22.400
Yeah, Well, because it does, it does make the landscape of the

667
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.239
relationship more clear. Yeah, because
then you would understand like, oh,

668
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.039
you know, is Derek reactive?
Is he reacting to things that she's done.

669
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:37.559
That's why he's he's always you know, beating her and killing her dog

670
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.880
or well, and the reference is
that that it's it appeared like that time

671
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.159
he strangled her was a first.
It did like that that was the final

672
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:51.679
escalation. Yeah, but it but
he clearly had been like angry and aggressive

673
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.079
and he would yell at her and
throw things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

674
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.239
So there's no doubt about that.
But it does make me wonder.

675
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.199
It does sincerely make me wonder,
like what was she referring to? And

676
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.480
I wish that it was in the
movie because I would love to have had

677
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:10.119
a better clear vision because they also
don't really reference to my recollect recollection,

678
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:16.199
They don't reference at all why she
was romantically distant. Yeah, and my

679
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.559
only guest would be that it was
chicken or the egg. It was like,

680
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.440
you know, she was distant because
he's such a shit. But the

681
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.559
way they presented us to us,
we only saw him be mad because she

682
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.440
was distant. So it's like,
so, is it just that it's a

683
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.880
feedback loop and it could very well
be. I don't know, but so

684
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.480
I would have loved to have had
a little bit more of that. And

685
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.960
that's where this gets into the territory
of you know what cutting deep into horror

686
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:45.320
is all about, which is getting
into the heavily human emotional element of the

687
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.559
story. Yeah, and that's why
I wish I had gotten more, because

688
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.840
I would love to know what their
fights were about. I would love to

689
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.760
know how long they were together,
exactly how bad he was, how it

690
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.440
escalated, because it always start somewhere
and end somewhere, all things do.

691
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.519
Yeah, And I mean I've I've
been in a pretty abusive relationship and it

692
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.159
definitely, you know, it's little
things first. You know, you get

693
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.679
you get insulted, get shoved,
you know, get squatted, especially if

694
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:21.920
you're a guy, because women can
just haul off and whack you and people

695
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:23.239
all laugh and shrug it off,
and yeah, maybe it didn't hurt you

696
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:29.480
very much, but it scares you. Yeah, and you know, stuff

697
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.559
like that. I mean, I'm
not trying to get super hyper dark.

698
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:36.360
I'm just saying like they're all the
same and that they're all different, if

699
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.719
that makes any sense at all,
and it might not, And that's okay,

700
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:42.199
because we're gonna take a quick break
and then we're gonna get back and

701
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.360
talk a little bit more about these
young women who are going to be facing

702
00:55:45.360 --> 00:56:00.320
their fears in the woods when we
return. So, now, the young

703
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:06.159
ladies in dark nature. Not all
of them though, because we're missing two

704
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.039
now two down. Yeah, we're
missing Shana and doctor Dunling, right,

705
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.880
and we've got Tara and Joy and
Carmen. Yep. Man, I'm actually

706
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.480
getting really good with their names.
It's just in time to almost be done

707
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.239
with the movies. That's the way
it always works. I knew the lead

708
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.360
character of the host's name for like
three days after that show, and now

709
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:34.840
it's gone forever. So but okay, so now they're they're basically it's basically

710
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.519
now it's just become a hunt,
yeah, because the cleaner's funning them and

711
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:44.440
they're stuck in the river. Yes, and obviously can't get very far because

712
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.840
two of the three are injured.
And the thing does not seem to like

713
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.920
the water very much, no,
which is an interesting choice which I kind

714
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:59.079
of like, Yeah, because in
folklore, water is often a barrier,

715
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.679
often kind of a thing that keeps
spirits away. Uh. The first example

716
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.000
I have in my mind is Night
of the Demons, where there's an under

717
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:12.920
underground stream around the wall of Hull
House and that's what keeps the spirits from

718
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.639
crossing. Yes, So that was
my first thought about why it might not

719
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.800
like the water. It might be
there's like a purification element or something,

720
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.360
because the vibe I'm getting from this
monster is that if it is not a

721
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.119
very mortified, mortifying person, which
I don't think it is, but if

722
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:35.760
it's not, then it's some kind
of a representation of this spiritual element,

723
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:40.079
this the spiritual inhabitants of these native
lands of woods. However you want to

724
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.199
look at it, that's the bye
guy. That's what I was getting too,

725
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.880
so but clearly well, and I
want to mention that that's one of

726
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:52.400
the reasons I think that that's that's
the accurate is that the damn thing looks

727
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:58.480
like it's starving. Yeah, exactly, it's it's emaciated, and which I

728
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.400
think maybe why you got Wendy vibes. I didn't get Wendy Go vibes personally,

729
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.119
but that's I mean, you know, happens to everybody. Uh,

730
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.000
but no, I think I think
it might be why you got Wendy Go

731
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.599
vibes because Wendy Go tend to be
they eat neat, neat, and they

732
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:15.440
get skinner and skinner and skinner exactly
well, and that that goes back to

733
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:22.000
that's why I thought that the theme
of having sacrifice not necessarily just be like

734
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:28.559
food or something. It can also
be the time or the energy that you

735
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.920
give to something. I thought that
was an underlying theme of the movie also

736
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.559
because of the way the monster looked
the way it fed because it just wanted

737
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:44.199
whatever it could get, and that
kind of tied back into just in a

738
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.039
in a in an abusive relationship,
the abuser just kind of like what takes

739
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.480
and takes and takes whatever they can
get, and they like that. They

740
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:58.960
like you as long as they're giving
you stuff, but once you're yeah,

741
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.679
as long as they're getting stuff.
But once you've stopped, that's when they

742
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:06.360
become vengeful. So that's I thought
that was kind of a neat tie in

743
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.639
there with that's really interesting. I
didn't think about that at all, Not

744
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.320
that I'm saying it wasn't there.
I just had not even considered it.

745
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.840
That makes that's really interesting. Like
what happens when you stop giving it offerings?

746
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.599
Yeah, well, and it gets
it gets desperate, gets angry,

747
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.239
it's hungry exactly. Wow. Wow, So what you're telling me right now?

748
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:31.239
On cutting deep into horror. Rachel
Radolphi, who lives outside of Dayton,

749
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:37.039
Ohio, is that Native American religious
beliefs are the same as abusive boyfriends.

750
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.800
Got it? Yes, okay,
yes, here's your phone number real

751
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.719
quick? No, I know,
but no, but I think that's a

752
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.760
really, really awesome take. And
I had not considered that at all.

753
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.599
Well, thank you, I had, I had kind of I didn't.

754
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.880
I didn't adore this movie out now. I thought that it had a lot

755
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.880
to like in it about and I
like the concept of like abused women going

756
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.400
into the woods to be strong.
And and one thing I want to say

757
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.679
about this movie, and I mean
this with love, it was not a

758
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:13.679
cringey movie. No, it was
good. It wasn't like girl Power for

759
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.559
the sake of girl power. It
wasn't like all these women are so strong

760
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:20.719
just because they're women. They were
they were three dimensional, They were super

761
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.760
interesting, and you wanted them to
get better from their problems. I found

762
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:32.519
Joy super likable while also being pathetic
and sad. And again, all of

763
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.000
this is a compliment to the actress
and to the director. I thought that

764
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:43.039
she was like hard to like and
then extremely likable very quickly. Yeah,

765
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.000
because once you once you cracked her
nut and you kind of saw what she

766
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:51.559
was not just what she was going
through because again you get that from the

767
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.440
first, you know, five minutes
of the movie, but when you start

768
01:00:53.480 --> 01:01:00.599
seeing her relationships with other people and
that she has a big heart and really

769
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.880
start seeing what makes her tick as
a person. She's also kind of a

770
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:10.199
reluctantly natural leader. Yeah, yeah, which I feel like maybe that I

771
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.599
don't know, maybe that threatened what
was he named? Shanna? Yeah,

772
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:21.320
Shanna Shanahan, Shana. Sorry she's
dead anyway, who cares? So?

773
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.159
But but no, So that's that's
a really interesting point. So it's almost

774
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:31.079
like this ate this nature is like
an abusive relationship. If you stop giving

775
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:35.559
what it wants, then it just
takes what it can get exactly. That's

776
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.920
a really awesome take. See,
there's a reason, there's a reason you

777
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:46.360
tolerate me. False no, no, no, but that's no, that

778
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:52.079
really is that's a really good take. Gosh, because you uh yeah,

779
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:53.519
every now and then you get you
get one over on me every now and

780
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.599
then, I I bel I blew
your mind on Barbarian though. Man.

781
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.159
But no, no, that's and
that's the fun of this. That's why

782
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.719
we are doing the show. Is
like, there's something so satisfying about when

783
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.639
you crack that nut of like,
here's what the movie is to me,

784
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.480
and it doesn't matter if it's right
or wrong. Joe Bob Briggs said it

785
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.559
best when he was I forget which
movie he was talking about, but they

786
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:15.280
were like, well, the screen
I say, it's it doesn't matter.

787
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:20.400
Once the art is out in the
world. The screenwriter's intention is null and

788
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:27.280
void. It's it's only trivia what
they were going for. The reality is

789
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.000
whatever people are taking from it,
exactly. So with that being said,

790
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:37.639
with this concept to you and now
pretty much to me as well, that

791
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.039
this is a metaphor. Yes,
the women are in the water. They're

792
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.519
in like a cage made out of
it. It's like a dam, think

793
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.639
like a beaver loge. I thought
it was like a beaver lodge. That's

794
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.800
the term. Yeah. Yeah,
So with Norbert and Dilbert for Dilbert or

795
01:02:52.880 --> 01:03:00.599
Norbert and what was daggett? Yeah, angry beavers. So they're in this

796
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:07.840
beaver lodge and apparently this can't get
them, I'm guessing because it's in the

797
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:13.079
water. Yeah, and it's like
a cage of just thrown together pieces of

798
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:16.159
wood. Yeah, so it can't
quite reach through, right, And that's

799
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:22.360
where that's where Tara kind of gets
her like hero moment, because Tara is

800
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:27.920
way more injured than sverely injured.
Yeah, and they're they're in freezing cold

801
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.519
water. She's bleeding a lot.
And for those of you who are like

802
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.760
me, not much of an outdoors
person, the last thing you want to

803
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.480
do when you have a severe cut
is just dunk it in freshwater. Yea.

804
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.000
And I don't mean freshwater like from
the store. I mean freshwater like

805
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:50.119
a freshwater lake, a freshwater river. It's dirty, it's gross. You're

806
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:55.239
gonna get a brain amba. I
keep saying this when I Dave always laughed

807
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.519
because, like I go, well, when I watch a movie when somebody

808
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:02.840
dives, like dunks their whole head
into like an like fresh water anywhere,

809
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.400
I'm like, uh, brain amiba. But Michelle from Monthly Spooky she gets

810
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:12.079
me. She thinks brain amiba every
time. Yeah, you guys are so

811
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.000
scared of those brain amiba. Hey
you think that's funny. How about I'll

812
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:15.800
tell you what. I'll tell you
what. I'm gonna make you a promise

813
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.519
from now on, I'm going to
send you every time I see a news

814
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:24.440
story about somebody getting a brain eating
Amiba. So you can see why it's

815
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.880
so scary. Please don't One time
it happened to Disneyland. Well, they

816
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.760
used to have the log like adventure
place that had actual water in it.

817
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.719
Oh yeah, yeah, somebody got
a brain eating Amiba there and died.

818
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:45.480
Rachel loves her disney World Land place. You don't know, I don't,

819
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.400
I don't know. Spend eighty dollars
on a taco. Get out of here.

820
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:56.880
So so they're they're uh so,
TERA's in a bad way, and

821
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.360
she makes the decision, which,
while I thought was very good for character,

822
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.280
was a little cliche to sacrifice herself
to save them. And one thing

823
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:10.079
that drove me crazy in the scene
though, was that when she went out

824
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.360
from under the beaver lodge and just
lets the creature grab her, it like

825
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.519
starts ripping into her and murdering her. And the two girls are just sitting

826
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:18.760
in the beaver lodge looking at each
other, and all I think was like,

827
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:26.159
you should have been get out getting
We were both screaming, go like,

828
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:32.760
don't waste this, don't waste what
is wrong with you bastards? So

829
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:40.199
despite them being dominant immediately hoffing it, they did actually escape, yes,

830
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.119
and they get to the tents because
they kind of like backtrack a little bit.

831
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.800
They get to the tents so that
at least they can get like a

832
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:53.559
medical kit and like get supplies and
kind of and regroup. Yeah, well

833
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:58.039
you would need to. I mean, I would say so whenever I fight

834
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.599
some kind of ancient native of spirit, I need to just a minute,

835
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:06.280
maybe some camera meal, tea or
yeah something cliff bar. Oh well,

836
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:10.519
I like Luna bars even though they're
for girls, because they taste better.

837
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.960
Now I like the cliff bars,
of course you do. So that again,

838
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.920
that was another scene where you really
start to see kind of a lot

839
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:29.559
about Joy as an individual and Joy
with her ex, and also the relationship

840
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:34.280
between Joy and Carmen because they're they're
kind of like stitching up Carmen's leg and

841
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:43.119
Enjoy finally admits that she actually didn't
break up, like she kind of sort

842
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:45.599
of broke up with Dary. No, she broke up with him and he

843
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.519
didn't see her for six months.
But the night before that's what they were

844
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.199
going to pick her up, she
let him come over and I guess they

845
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.679
hinted at that they slept together.
Yeah, because well, because he was

846
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.519
still there the next morning. Yes, and this is where a pretty big

847
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:08.199
twist occurs. I'm gonna let you
have it. So through like flashbacks,

848
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:14.159
it is revealed that Derek was still
there the morning she was getting ready to

849
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:19.000
leave for the retreat, and big
surprise there he hasn't really actually changed.

850
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:25.079
No, no, and she even
tries to explain to him like, no,

851
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:28.400
we're not back together, like yeah, just always begging me to let

852
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:30.000
me to come in and blah blah
blah, and I just kind of did.

853
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:38.679
Yeah. So of course this sets
him off and he, you know,

854
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:44.599
goes to hit her and she grabs
it looked like a was it a

855
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.400
wine glass or just like a regular
glass. I thought it was. It

856
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.480
was like a bottle or something something
and just smashes it over his face and

857
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:59.519
defended herself. And it's kind of
insinuated that that's like what she was doing

858
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:05.119
in immediately before she got moments with
everybody. And that really made sense then

859
01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:12.480
because when we were watching watching the
movie, when we first met Joy,

860
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.560
like on the van, I was
like, man, that costume artists like

861
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:23.319
really went heavy handed. The makeup
artist zoon eyes, Yeah, I was

862
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.920
like why, Like I get,
I get she's a battered woman, but

863
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.000
six months out, like you'd think
she'd be in a little better shape.

864
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:35.199
Sure, And that flashback, I
was like, Oh, that's why she

865
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:43.239
was in such rush rough shape is
because like she's not feeling great because she's

866
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:50.479
you know, just just saw Derek
again and maybe murdered him. That's that's

867
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:56.239
the biggest reveal of the whole thing. Is she clocks him, he falls

868
01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:00.000
to the ground, pull of blood
forming under his head. That doesn't mean

869
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:01.560
he's dead, but that means that
he could be dead. He could be

870
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:06.760
dead like she just left. Yeah, and that and that is such a

871
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:12.520
cool reveal because now it makes sense
why she would number one, think he

872
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:15.560
might have followed her out there,
is that he could be that angry that

873
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.199
she like not only clocked him but
left him to die or left him without

874
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:24.439
even caring if he was alive.
And then number two, the guilt that

875
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.840
she might have killed him. Yeah, is why she's hearing him and seeing

876
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:33.000
him everywhere she looks exactly. And
that was a really sweet twist. Yeah,

877
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.199
And I have to say it was
please please, Oh well, and

878
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:40.399
it was I was just gonna say
that again. That though also ties into

879
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.680
saying like everybody else doesn't know what
she did to him. You start to

880
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:49.159
understand like, oh, well,
at the very least she slashed up his

881
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:53.960
face or he could be dead,
Like and I got the vibe he was

882
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.880
dead. Yeah, well that's what
I thought. Yeah, I mean,

883
01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.439
that doesn't mean he has to be
dead, but that's what I read.

884
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:06.159
Yeah, I got the sense he
was d ed dead. So after that,

885
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:14.399
after that like little flashback, Carmen
flips her lid and says that she

886
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.239
can't continue to be friends with Joyce. She said that she was considering she

887
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.720
had already been at her limit.
Yeah, she'd been thinking about it.

888
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:24.000
Yeah, that she was just like
done dealing with her crap exactly. And

889
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:29.720
this is like the final the final
straw. So they kind of like go

890
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.439
to try to go to bed,
but it's not going to work because it's

891
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.920
kind of scary out there, so
they decide to make it make a break

892
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:45.319
for it in the woods, and
the monster capture's Carmen. So now Joy's

893
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:50.399
on her own and she has to
save Carmen on her own, So she

894
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:55.720
goes back to the cave, which
is kind of like what we understand is

895
01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:01.800
being the Monster's layer, yeh,
and is following like some screaming and howling

896
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:06.840
and noises, and again you're starting
to question, like is it hallucinations?

897
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:13.199
Is it the spirit? Like what
is going on? What does she actually

898
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:19.279
hear? And then it gets even
made us both squirm even more because she's

899
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:26.000
got to like climb through this really
really claustrophobic tunnel. She's basically splunking.

900
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:32.880
She's crawling through an incredibly getting tighter
by the second cave tunnel that has blood

901
01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:44.199
and bones and like viscera the perfect
word. But she she gets through it,

902
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:51.079
and she finally sees the monster and
then it looks like Derek to her,

903
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:57.960
and I thought that was that was
pretty genius storytelling because it looks like

904
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:01.840
Derek and she like embraces it,
and there's that moment where you think,

905
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.520
like, oh no, like what
is what is she going to do?

906
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.560
Like they've kind of set up that
she's got this on again, off again

907
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.399
thing with Derek's Yeah, she's completely
addicted to him. Yeah, it was

908
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:18.760
like is she falling for that addiction
again? And she embraces it, and

909
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:25.560
then her flashbacks kind of start to
like intertwine with reality. But then she

910
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:30.119
gains control of herself and she just
stabs it in the face. She again

911
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:38.000
going back to who she might have
murdered. So she stabs it, she

912
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:44.600
says, ancient creature, and she
sprays it down with a candid bey,

913
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.560
which they were constantly referencing that they
all had cans of bear spray for bear

914
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.399
mace, whatever you want to call
it. And this was the only moment

915
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:57.920
that you and I were like,
because generally speaking, arisol sprays like that

916
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.880
are not flammable once they're out of
the cana. She did not turn it

917
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:05.800
into a flamethrower. She sprayed it
down. And then she had his zippo

918
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:14.039
because all along she had zippo because
she took it from him after she possibly

919
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.359
murdered him. Yeah, and if
you're getting excited about finding out whether she

920
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:23.239
killed him or not, yes,
anyway, So so now she's lit this

921
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:29.479
guy like a Roman candle. He's
burned. She stood up to the symbol

922
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.920
of Derek as well as the actual
Derek, although maybe in the most filonious

923
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:36.439
way possible, which is not ideal, but hey, you know it's a

924
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:40.680
step in the right direction. Shit
happens when you party naked, man,

925
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:46.720
you know. So, And now
she's able to get her friend Carmen,

926
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.880
and they get in the car.
I want to mention I gotta chuckle out

927
01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.960
of this. They both looked like
molted milk duds. I mean they were

928
01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.239
like filthy, dirty, grimy and
disgusting. And then she's like, we

929
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.159
have to go home and she says, no, I'm taking the hospital,

930
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:05.439
Like, no, shit, the
hospital. I'll get you not think the

931
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:09.600
hospital first, but there is that
element of like, but you have to

932
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.279
know, like did you even kill
Derek? And it's like I'll find out.

933
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:15.720
Yeah, yeah, I would go
to the hospital first. Yeah.

934
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:19.880
Yeah, that's pretty much the movie. Yeah. Yeah, Well, and

935
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.640
I felt like, like you said, it wasn't cringey. Yeah, it

936
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:29.359
wasn't at all preachy or like girl
power just for girl power sake or whatever.

937
01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.079
It was good characters who happened to
be women. Yeah. Yeah,

938
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.920
And I felt like all of them
were three dimensional. And I also felt

939
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:41.800
like it was very well paced.
I don't think they're like there wasn't a

940
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:47.000
ton of wasted movement. I would
call it thoughtfully paced. Yes, because

941
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.720
it's not fast, No, but
it's not super slow, but it keeps

942
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:57.439
a consistent build. Yeah that I
really enjoyed exactly. And I love any

943
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.760
movie about you know, people fighting, the elements stuff. I just find

944
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.680
that stuff super super fun. Oh
yeah, so but no, so,

945
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.520
I mean I wouldn't. This is
not like a four or five star movie

946
01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:11.840
for me, but but it's definitely
worth watching. Had a really good time

947
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.319
watching it. I should have mentioned
at the beginning it's available on Amazon Prime.

948
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:16.920
You can watch it on two B. It's out there if you want

949
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:19.319
to see it. If you just
listen to this, you basically saw the

950
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:25.279
whole movie. But that doesn't mean
that that should stop you from checking it

951
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:27.840
out for yourself. But what about
you? What did you? What was

952
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:34.319
your final feelings about the film.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't necessarily

953
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.520
think it's one of those ones where
I'll be like every single Halloween, I

954
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.920
need to make sure that I need
to watch this well, And this was

955
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.600
recommended to us. Usually on the
show, it's been like one of my

956
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.239
all time favorites or one of your
all time favorites. So this one is

957
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:50.000
one that's, you know, outside
of both of our spaces, So I

958
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:54.840
think that makes sense. But that
being said, while it was one that

959
01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:00.479
we weren't we weren't equated with beforehand. I think it definitely was enjoyable,

960
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:04.560
and it had a lot of the
things that we both really enjoy in movies,

961
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:08.960
and it clearly made me sit and
think. So I'd say it was

962
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.039
a pretty darn good movie. There. I think so too. No,

963
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.119
I was not mad when we were
done watching it. Yeah. So,

964
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.319
But if that's all your thoughts,
then I guess it's time to wrap up

965
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:21.520
this episode. I think so.
But I want to remind everybody that when

966
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:26.039
we come back next we'll very likely
be talking about Murder Party. We have

967
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.439
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968
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:33.279
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969
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.039
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970
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:41.119
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971
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:43.880
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972
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:48.239
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973
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974
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.920
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975
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977
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it happen. Dbe so, I
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981
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:25.600
and we will be back sooner than
you think with even more cutting deep into

982
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.760
horror. And I want to say
a special thank you to our producer Dan

983
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.640
Wilder, our executive producer Rob Fields, and our composer Raymadis, who you

984
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.800
are going to get the jam out
to his tunes. As we leave you

985
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:41.119
until next time, make sure to
go out to the woods, but pack

986
01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:41.840
better snacks.