Monthly Spooky | Haunted Castles & Stolen Corpses

0:01 Haunted castles, one hundred stolen corpses, Saudi Arabia's new kind of mummies, and a theater collapsed by massive snowfall. Get comfortable turning off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky. Hello and welcome back. Yes, indeed, it's that time of the month. It's time for Monthly Spooky. Are wrapping up the month talk show, news show. You know, you'd think after two years of doing it or whatever, that I'd have like a better grasp on how to describe what we're doing.

1:01 It's just it just doesn't. It fails description. The voice you're hearing is my good buddy and co host Michelle. Michelle, how are you? I mean that seems like a loaded question. So we are recording this it releases on Monday. Of course, we're recording this before this monumental winter storm that's happening. So we're as we're recording this, like the snow is going to start falling in like four or five hours max where I am and then eventually get to you. I'm guessing overnight, Yeah, overnight where we're supposed to start technically in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

1:44 So yeah, I mean that's when we're expecting it to be serious. Although now all of a sudden they're saying that tonight we're gonna get like we could get one or three to three to five inches, and I was like, uh, but that's a lot considering the next day they're saying eight to ten, So I don't know what's going on. Yeah, they're doing that here too, one to three overnight and then eight to twelve the next day. Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're lucky. You know, I'm in scenic Dayton, Ohio, and you're outside of Philadelphia, so I'm not getting it doesn't look like I'm gonna get much ice. It looks like you're gonna get a little bit of ice. Yeah, because ice storms, there's no that's not you know, they're dangerous.

2:24 So yeah, it's funny too. I've talked about ice storms the few people because of all this, and they're always like, you know, well, luckily I don't have to go anywhere, and I'm like, no, ice storms are dangerous because they knock power out, not be I mean, the roads suck too, but like, yeah, they can't salt the power lines, they can't tell because the squirrels already want to chew on them. You can't make it more appealing. No, I'm now I'm thinking why could could you? Could you brind them? Would that them? Yeah? Would that be dangerous or no? I mean I mean the act of brining them would be dangerous if you if they were still plugged in? Why oh, because you die?

3:05 Yeah? Why? Well, because salted water literally conducts electricity. How would so I guess we'd have to turn off the whole power grid and then brian them and then be fine. And just at once to brian all of it at once, like no, no, like no parsing it out or anything. It just dumped like I don't know what we're using, but it just dumps down on them. Like cooking spaghetti. Yeah. But I hope that if you're listening to this wherever you are, you're warm and safe. We don't know what's at this time, how this, how bad this is even going to be. We just know it's it's pretty historic. I mean, the storm is gonna end up being what I think I read it was gonna be almost two thousand miles wide.

3:53 I mean, I didn't hear how wide it's going to be. Yeah, but it's huge. Yeah, I so I I will delve in what they're nerdery and I have a YouTube channel called Ryan Hall y'all that I watch, which I really recommend. He's a guy from Kentucky, a meteorologist, and he does independent meteorology and he covers wherever severe weather is. That's what he talks about all over America. So he so when I watch him tell us, like what's going on with the storm, I hear the whole country. Yeah, So I hear him say stuff like, you know, this storm is spanning this far apart, you know, and it's a it's pretty big. I think he said that he's never seen one in his lifetime that that that big of a front.

4:36 Wow. So because it literally goes from like from Texas to Boston. So that's nuts. Yeah, it really is. That being said, assuming knock on wood, all things are okay in my home front. I have a cozy time planned because I believe when there's a big snow, even though I don't anywhere to work right now, I just work at home, I still like kind of pretend that I'm stuck because I need desperately excuses to stop working.

5:16 Yeah and rest. What was I was talking to somebody the other day. It was just like in passing about religion and I mentioned I was like, dude, the only thing that's tempted to be about religion is the Sabbath, like like being like sorry, I literally can't work or God will smote me. I can't, I can't, I can't. I literally can't help it. There's nothing I can do. That's the that's the biggest depeal of religion to me, is like having a guilt free break. So but uh, but no, So I have movies picked out, I have a full menu of comforting wintry food to prepare. One of my favorite things to do during big snow storms is cook. I think, well, I love to cook anyway, but like there's something about, you know, when you look outside and it's snowing and then you make like scrambled eggs and like flapjacks, that just feels awesome. I don't know, it feels good to me, you know.

6:13 I guess that makes sense. Yeah, So, I. Mean, do you have a favorite winter comfort food, a thing that keeps you cozy? You gotta understand, I don't even know what I can eat anymore. So I don't have favorite any. You have a better idea than ever before. Yeah, yeah, I do, but I'm still not really sure. No, I mean the good news is then in the standard American diet, most things don't have enough fiber. It's true, it's true, but. It is tough, especially since you're vegetarian. Yeah, A lot of the food you that you would that you've grown to like eating, right being a vegetarian, is high fiber exactly. Yeah, So you gotta eat like a lot of white rice and stuff, which is great because it's all the opposite of like what I'm being told. I'm like, you gotta eat the brown rice, you gotta eat the fiber, you gotta eat the cruciferous vega, and some some quack talking to you is just like you need white rice and cheese.

7:06 Like how both doctors are just like an angry They're just like an angry New Yorker for some reason. You can't have cheese. I can have cheese. I'm technically not supposed to have a lot of fat either, But it's like it's like the weirdest carbs pretty much just carbs, and. Luckily you're skinny, so I mean, like carbs won't hurt you know, I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. But like also, like like vegetables that are like squishy, squishy vegetables. Are supposed to avoid them or eat them. No, those are okay, okay, good, Like I can eat a carrot if it gets you know, if you cook it and stuff. Oh oh so so as long as the fiber's been softened. Oh okay, But not like vegetables that have skins because they they're you know, so not like a pepper.

7:53 What if you take the skin off, that's fine, Oh okay, I mean because a lot of times when I roast red peppers and stuff, you take the skin off or it's optional. Yeah. Yeah, it's different though, like if you make a stirfry then it's annoying as hell to get the skin off of pepper. So yeah, I concur Yeah, and also like chrysipherus vegetables. Now yeah, that'd be a big note. Yeah. I feel like you could just text me and be like, hey, are you supposed to be eating this food? And if I say yes, then don't. Eat it exactly exactly. It's all high fiber, low calorie. So yeah. Chell's been dealing with some digestive issues and trying to get it all sorted out and it looks like it's just that you're a slow digest. Yeah.

8:39 Sure, that's what it boils down to. I mean, yeah, I'm oversimplifying it because we're not gonna, you know, talk about it the whole show. But unless you want to actually you know what, you're right, shell, let's talk just about your medical stuff. Well, I do, like have I did like write a whole presentation so we could discuss it. Is that? Why you why? I saw the PowerPoint flash up for a second and then it went away, just prepping that. That was actually for something else. But I did make a power point for this too. Oh cool? Yeah you had the power points this year? Is that? Yeah, it's only twenty six. Thing is power points? It is? It is? I didn't. I had to like buy like Microsoft Office just so I could use. Power Yeah, I see, you're trying to explain your stomach issues.

9:23 Can I help? Yeah? Clippy, there's a Clippy joke in the New Naked Gun movie that came out last year. Really, he's stuck in a smart car and he's like about to like it's gonna kill him, and then like Clippy pops up and says, like I see you're trying to Can I help it saves his life? Yay, it's clippy clippy stand up. I loved the New Naked Gun, but the big problem with it was that I would be like, man, that joke's so funny, and they're like, man, my back hurts because they were all jokes about like things that happened in two thousand and two and two thousand and three. So I'm just like, that's so funny. I should check out. You got to make sure I don't have sciatica getting her getting up there. But uh, but my menu for this weekend is, well, tonight's pizza, which Rachel's making because she likes to make pizza. Well, she likes to make red sauce. And I was the person who was like, stop only making pasta. I was one of those like, please make pizza, Please make lasagna, because her red sauce is so well, you know what I mean, like as opposed to like a sauce pasta. It's like I'm just saying because her red sauce is super super good, So I'm just like, please do other things with it, because I would love a pizza that tastes like this, and I'd love a lasagna that tastes like this. So she's gotten really into making pizzas good. So she's gonna make a pizza tonight. We're gonna have anchovies because it's just us and we can put all the fish on the pizza you can. And I all those Portuguese anchovies my

10:56 mom got me, so I'm thinking I might use one of those. I need to check. I know it's lame, but like my mom went to the trouble of buying me all this cool Portuguese food, So I don't want to like take some anchovies and then not google it and find out like these are not the kind you'd want to put on pizza, Like these are specifically like much better for like you know, making pasta sauce or for eating on crackers. I just don't want to like waste them because they're expensive and imported. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I think they'd be good on anything, And I think the fish would be just as sad to be on anything as to be on the other. If you were a fish, wouldn't you be like a little happy if you were on a pizza instead of like, yeah, the sec okay. But then to wrap up the menu, talk.

11:36 So then Sunday, I'm gonna make eggs and bacon and fried biscuits for breakfast for lunch, and then I'm making beef stew for dinner because stew is like the best in a cold weather situation. Yeah, so I'm gonna make a big vat of beef stew. And then Monday, when the snow's all over, when this is airing, we're having frigid temps, like super low temps, so to warm everything up, I'm making roasted red pepper and tomato soup and grilled cheese. Yay, So that's what Actually, when I said roasting peppers, I was like, oh, yeah, I got to roast some peppers tomorrow. That's what I expression in my mind. So but with that all said, yeah, it'll be fun. And then I have a stack of movies that I want to watch and rewatch like a simple plan, all snow movies because I'm a nightmare and and I don't know why, I always want full immersion. I never want to escape. I'm very weird.

12:29 So I want to watch a simple plan. I want to watch the new Dead of Winter movie that you can rent. I've heard it's very, very good and I've got like five or in Storm of the Century mini series Stephen King mini series, so uh so much. But I know you, you're just like, I don't care ba ba humbug to your blizzard fun. Yeah yeah, no, I really really like snow. But what I like about snow is I get to shovel it. So that's all. So what's happening anyway? You like shoveling snow. I do like shoveling snow a lot, except I probably won't like this snow because it's gonna have a layer of ice on it. But maybe I could make like a path underneath but the ice on top. I was thinking about that we crawl under here.

13:13 Yeah, that's the spirit. So I'm excited. Well, good, it's good to hear you're excited. Well, we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back, we're gonna dive in to the spooky news. And I almost forgot to mention. Our topic for tonight is kind of interesting. Uh. I'm trying to think of how to describe it, but it's basically the story of when a winter storm caused one of the deadliest disasters in Washington, d C. History. Wow, So we'll dive into that later on in the show. But when we return Spooky News, but not just yet, we'll be right back. We are back, and it's time. Shell. It's the new year. I think you should start the new year bye bye by tagging this segment so you take it on.

14:08 I I don't, I don't know if that's a good idea. Why not? It sets a very weird expectation. That you'll say, like three words, yeah, you're really really just gonna stand. You're gonna die on this hill? I mean, I don't know. I mean it seems like it's good a hill as any to die. I mean, if you got to die on a hill, I mean, I might as well be this hill. It's not a bad hill. It's not a bad hill. Fine, something like the Spooky News thing. The Spooky News. Wow, it worked, so I guess I guess you. Uh. Well, we're starting our Winter Wonderland episode of Monthly Spooky by heading to our old standby mirror dot co dot u k okay and the headline reads magical in quotes village is home to quote most haunted castle in the United Kingdom.

15:13 Wow. I feel like they should put every other word, every word in quotes just magical village is. Oh, it's a very pretty castle though. That's nice. You're like, finally a pretty castle. Look, all castles are pretty. Is this castle particularly pretty to you? Though? Whoops? Right, baby, I don't know. I can't. Oh, I'm so sorry. Well that's on me. That's on me. I did not set this up the way I thought I did. It's I'm a bad person. It's fine. It's a pretty castle. That was funny. I was wondering. I was like, why isn't she saying? I started to wonder if you like had some really mean words for this castle.

15:57 No, I don't say bad things about Archett your places. Wow, I mean unless you just want to talk about awful of houses or something like you did yesterday. Okay, fine, I did say mean things about that house. That was really mean. You were just like this, what does this look this way? Yeah, that chimney is real bad. I don't I still like, though I don't understand, like I don't get it. I understand. I mean I understand that you don't understand. Okay. Uh nesseled amidst the expansive fields of Northumberland countryside lies a charming little village with a fascinating history and a storybook castle. Whoa, this is where all ghost stories should come from. It's called Chillingham.

16:41 Aw. I mean, if ever there was a place where the ghost stories would come from, it would be Chillingham. You think so. Chillingham has carved out a reputation for itself due to two unique features. It's historic castles and its distinctive cattle like horses to horses sell like cows. A little bit of a city. Boy there, what do they? What makes them distinctive? Though? But I guess no, I don't even know how you what what makes any cattle distinctive? Let alone these cattle. They might have different patterns, There might be different colors, They might have different types of milk. I don't know.

17:26 Is this where the chocolate milk comes from? Yeah? Where the chocolate milk from? When you were a kid, did you ever hear the the urban legend that chocolate milk was actually the disgusting milk that couldn't be used as regular milk? No? Actually I never heard that. Really, there was an urban legend or myth or whatever that people would pass around at the school at the lunch table and stuff that chocolate milk was milk that was rejected to be regular milk because it had too much like discoloration and blood in it, so then they would use it for the stuff that they would color with chocolate. You know, okay, so you wouldn't be able to tell. And for years I knew people who thought that was that was.

18:07 True to be fair, like, I could see that, yeah, you know, because it is really dark and that would make sense to cover up like imperfections. Sure, not that that happens, but still, yeah. It makes me think of the Simpsons. When Mo shows up to a party, he's like, thanks for inviting me, Marge, I brought this bag of irregular oreos. And then when everybody's leaving, he looks and he's like, this one looks fine, and he bites and goes, Oh, but let's see if we can find out what makes these cattle distinctive. And I'm glad I only drink you Who and not chocolate milk. You know what's funny is you'd think I don't like sweet, like super sweet stuff anymore as much as I used to, But I still like you Who more than chocolate milk. Interesting, I also don't like chocolate or I also don't like milk that much.

18:56 I don't like milk at all. I like almond milk, you know, like with a cookie or with cereal or what have you. I as part of my winter survival kit, I bought a big thing of double stuff Oreos and a bottle of almond milk. That's nice. It's you gotta be safe, you know in this stuff. I do love that. I'm like stalking up like crazy, as if I couldn't walk to a grocery store if I needed to, I mean it would be it's it's a mile, but it's but it's like not a long or not a hard mile. It's a mile with sidewalk. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean my grocery store is like a third of a mile maybe less than that from it. I know. So yeah, I really close.

19:36 Yeah, I can literally walk to my grocery store mine. Mine is honestly about twice as far as or so. It might not even be a full mile, Okay, it's probably more like point eight miles or point nine miles. And I have two grocerri stores because I have a Mire and a Kroger across the street from each other. So if one of them's out of everything. You can go to the other one. And they can also be out of all of this. Yeah. I still I can't believe that that's lasted, because like it's been I think I read it's been that for forty five years that there's been a Meyer and a Kroger across the street from each other there. Wow. So I guess it just there's just the right amount of population, hm, because the Kroger just expanded a couple of years back in the Myers getting ready to do that now too.

20:17 Well, they got to keep up with each other. Well yeah, and the Walmart that's like a mile and a half down the road. So but anyway, let's let's talk about this cattle. Okay, why you distracted me. The village boasts what is believed to be the UK's most haunted castle, Chillingham Castle. A little on the nose, but it's Chillingham. I wonder if that's how you say it, how they say it over there, if they have some other, like some British pronunciation that I'm not thinking of, like Scott scott Castle. Wait, that doesn't make any sense. It's spelled chillihim Ah. It does make the kings I, which traces its roots back to the twelfth century, as it was fully FOURTIF in thirteen forty four.

21:02 Wow. The renowned estate has remained within the same family lineage since its inception and continues to be private property. Okay, I gotta call bunk not on the family being the same lineage. No, I gotta call bunk on if this is the most haunted castle in all of the UK, how is the family fine alive and still there. Well, you're not. You're not taking this the right way. Just because it's haunted doesn't mean they're bad ghosts. Maybe it's there because it's their family members. Obviously we don't know who's haunting it, but probably I mean probably or some just it sounds like it would be drifters, but like maybe they just like hang out with them and stuff.

21:47 I'm just saying, like usually when you hear about these haunted estates, there's like tragedies and like the family that found it they're all dead now. Well they are all dead now. Not all of them, because there's still people who own it. I'm saying, like of the lineage, you know, Okay, yeah, because I'm just saying like I always hear these stories about like haunted estates is like this super wealthy family in nineteen ten, you know, all their kids died and then the mom went you know mad and got committed and died in an asylum. And then the guy got you know, syphilis in his eyes and exploded, and you're like, WHOA, no, wonder the place is haunted. Yeah, but with this, it's like, this place is so haunted. My entire family going back to like the thirteen hundreds has lived here. It's like, wow, sounds like it's been really rough living there.

22:33 Yeah. Yeah, I'm just I you. Know, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I'm right, although I always feel like I'm right, which is probably a problem the renowned estate has. Oh sorry I read that part. For those daring enough to venture inside, the torture Chamber and nocturnal ghost tours are bound to leave you with some hair raising memories. Wait, there's a torture chamber. See, so it's not like there wasn't horrible thing that happened there. The monsters. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. They still own it. Yeah, because that's a wonderful story. Yeah, was like their family were sadistic murderers and now they're just rich people with a castle. Yeah, it's oh good.

23:18 That's the part I didn't want to find out. Yeah, and they just hear the screams of the people they killed all the time. It just helps them sleep at night. Yeah, they're like, ah, that's why this bed is so comfy, is because of all those deaths. Yeah. Oh wow. It's thought to have had over one hundred spirits spotted within its grounds. Wow, a testament to its rich history. Documented paranormal activity includes hearing strange voices, footsteps, and even sightings of moving objects, so much so that keen ghost hunters and paranormal enthusiasts choose to spend the night or conduct their own ghost hunting within the castle.

24:02 Yeah they do that. I mean it would be it would be weird if they're like, we're gonna ghost hunt like fifteen miles away from the castle. That's how so haunted. Yeah, it's so damn haunted. You don't understand. It's maggotty with ghosts. They're all from Boston. Yeah, all the ghosts in the UK. We have from New England. Pal, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll get back. We're going to try and figure out what the hell is going on with Chillingham Castle, where all these ghosts came from, and more importantly, what's up with the cattle. Yeah yeah, which, by the way, thanks a lot. This is like impossible to read out loud back to back the Chillingham Castle and cattle. Thanks, that's not confusing. But we'll get to that when we return.

24:57 Don't worry, Chelle, We're going to get to the bar bottom of the Chillingham Castle cattle. I don't think they're going to tell us actually. Knowing Mirror dot code dot UK and the fact that I've had multiple English listeners write in and say the Mirror dot code at UK is horrible makes me think you might be right. Damn. While it is free to explore the grounds, Chillingham Castle provides travelers with the opportunity to stay in an authentic medieval fortress. They spell medieval weird. They do media evil, media evil medieval. That might be better than how we spelled it's it's often it's offer offers.

25:44 It offers a selection of courtyard apartments, a stay in the tower, and even a night in the old coaching rooms. Oh thank you for that. Recent guests have raved about their visits on trip Advisor. Read about us on trip advisor. Uh. One visitor wrote quote, our stay at Chillingham Castle was absolutely incredible from start to finish. What were you gonna say, Chillingam?

26:24 The castle itself is breathtaking, steeped in history and beautifully preserved. And the ghost tour was a genuine highlight engaging at miss it says highlight, dash engaging, highlight. The eager engaging. I guess highlight engaging comma, atmospheric comma and wonderfully done. Okay, okay fine. Another guest added quote, we stayed at the castle for two nights in the dairy apartment. Whish it was to think it was just made of cheese. Yeah, as we were doing a paranormal investigation on the friday. The castle is magnificent. The staff are super friendly and couldn't do enough for us. It was like stepping back in time. Oh that sounds horrible because there was torture there.

27:13 Yeah, what are you talking about? Although the spirits weren't interacting as much as we'd like, the energy and atmosphere was certainly haunting. Ah. Well, what do you think of this so far? Well? I mean i'd like to not be an ad for going to this castle. But besides, yeah, yeah. That's miridak kodak uk in a in a nutshell. Oh so I just saw the wild cattle. Oh they are furry and have big horns that go up a little and they have black noses in white fur.

27:56 Oh they're white cattles. Okay, so I. Guess that's part of it. Yeah. Alongside Chillingham Castle stands the equally renowned Chillingham Cattle, a wild herd that has roamed the village following centuries of strict inbreeding. I have so many mean jokes about the uk I could say at once from that. I'm just not gonna say any of them. It's like the three stooges, but they're all trying to get through the doorway at the same time. The herd originated when approximately ninety animals were enclosed during the Middle Ages and have continued breeding within these grounds ever since. Yep's what's the yep?

28:45 That just sounds not great? But sure, okay fine. As of twenty twenty two, the herd is believed to comprise one hundred and thirty eight animals, split evenly between males and females. What makes them extraordinary is their completely untouched nature, left to breed, live and die in their natural habitat without human intervention, rendering them exceptionally rare. Okay, I mean if I go there and if I touch one of them, does that ruin everything? You ruined it? They have to just kill them all and start over. Okay, just wanted to be sure, as you're like buying a plane ticket and gently stroking your passport.

29:32 Thanks to the idea mirror dot co dot uk uh, the animals are widely regarded as a scientific marvel, since inbreeding throughout history typically leads to extinction. Again too many UK jokes, Yet they continue to thrive in the very same grounds of Chillingham Park. Maybe they're ghosts, ghost cattle. Yeah, they're white, right, so maybe they're ghosts. The haunted cattle by the haunted castle. Yeah, shells, seashells down by the seashore. Pretty much. What sets them apart is their behavior, as it's entirely natural, providing us with additional insight into the lives of animals that may have preceded them. We can also gain knowledge about the spontaneous behaviors of animals not influenced by humans. Yeah, that's just where it ends. Okay, that I mean in Mirra Dakkoda Uka's defense, that wasn't even a good commercial. No, like, it barely told us anything about it it is, I mean it did, but it didn't.

30:43 Like, I still don't know what happened in the castle that would make it that haunted. No, they never explained a single thing about it. Yeah, but I know I can't. That's kind of bummer. Yeah, you can't cause all the cows to die. Yeah, I need to know why it's haunted. Let's uh. Lady Berkeley was abandoned at the castle with only her baby daughter for company. The rustle of her dress is sometimes heard as her invisible revenant sweeps along the rambling corridors, searching for her husband and leaving a cold chill, not to mention unsettled witnesses in her ghostly wake. Okay, that's something. That's from a great dashcastles dot com. Hmmm, so wow.

31:28 I mean they couldn't even give us that. They were just like, eh, you don't need any of it. I mean there's a Wikipedia page for it. Yeah. Oh, it was originally a see you're not code at UK. The castle was originally a monastery in the late twelfth century. Okay, in twelve ninety eight, King Edward the First stayed at the castle on his way to Scotland to battle a Scottish army led by William Wallace. A glazed window and a frame was specially installed for the king, a rarity in such buildings at the time. The castle was occupied as a strategically important location in mid Evil times. It was located on the border between two feuding nations. It was used as a staging post for the English armies entering Scotland, but was also repeatedly attacked and besieged by Scottish armies and raiding parties heading south. The site contained a moat and in some locations the fortifications were twelve feet thick. Wow that's really thick. Yeah wow yeah. So they're so yeah, there's like all this interesting stuff and they didn't include like any of that. They were like, anyway, there's some whaling, but let's talk about these cows. So wow.

32:41 This says that the estate was broken up and sold in nineteen eighty. Though, well I would believe them over mured At UK. So yeah. This this suggests that the current owners are not related to the people who owned it before. Yeah, I mean, especially yea, please please, especially since we know there was a monastery in the beginning. So I don't think there's just like one chain of title all the way through nothing. Oh sure anymore. The current owners market the castle as being the most haunted castle in Britain. It has been visited by the Most Haunted TV show. Most famous ghost of the castle is the Blue or Radiant Boy, who, according to the owners, used to haunt the pink room in the castle HM. In nineteen eighty seven, the castle was used as a filming location for the film Elizabeth. As of twenty twenty, sections of the castle are open to the public, including for late night ghost tours, and eight apartments within the castle and its outbuildings are available for holiday rentals. Oh.

33:35 During the Second World War it was used as an army barracks. Wow yeah, man, Mirror dot Cota UK. I like stick it out with them because they never disappoint in always disappointing. Yeah. Yeah. So with that said, we're going to take a quick break and when we get back, we're going to talk about a mummy of a different kind. Right after this we are back and chill. Would it be safe to say you are indeed a cat person half cat half person exactly.

34:18 Yeah, I mean that last time I went to the doctors, that's what they said. So you're lucky. Last time I went to the doctor, the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed. Oh yeah. I don't tell my doctors about everything I do in private like you do. So when I used to practice fire eating all the time, I like burned my mouth once and they were like, did you ever go to a doctor over it? In someone, I was like, what are they gonna say. They're just gonna say no more monkeys jumping on the bed. They're not gonna be like you should use this solve for while you're putting fire in your mouth, dummy. Anyway, Uh, well, this is kind of a kiddi cat story.

35:05 Oh. Ancient mummified cheetahs found in Saudi caves shed light on history. I mean, yeah, I don't know why they're being mummified. So it's from the Huffington Post. Researchers ask excavated seven mummies, along with the bones of fifty four other cheetahs, from a site near the city of urr or a rar. I'm gonna surew you say it? Yeah, So apparently there are mummified cheetahs. Huh yeah. Scientists have uncovered the mummified remains of cheetahs from caves in northern Saudi Arabia. The remains range from one hundred and thirty years old to over eighteen hundred years old.

35:51 Wow. Yeah, it's a long time to be mummified, and cheetahs. To be mummified, and cheetah? Is that what you said? No, I said cheetahs. Okay, do you know if i'd ant cheetahs? Separate thoughts, but I believe that there remains. Oh sorry, research one am I oh oh, I literally lost my place. There we go. Mummification prevents decay by preserving dead bodies. Egypt's mummies are the most well known, but the process can also happen naturally in places like glacier ice, desert sands, and bog sludge. Which wasn't that like before you went with Michelle Antisocial? Wasn't that your first stage name, bog sludge?

36:37 I don't know why I changed it. That's such a great stage name. Honestly, I think it's kind of perfect. It is, though bog sludge. It's great to because it's kind of like it's reminiscent of bog skags or bog skags, but it's not, obviously but bog sludge. The new large cat mummies have cloudy eyes and shriveled limbs, resembling dried out husks. I mean it'd be weird for the like the the cheetah mummies are like absolute swollen chads that look refreshed and alive right this moment. In fact, one bit me. It's something that I've never seen before, said Jean Madurell Malapierra with the University of Florence in Italy, who was not involved with the discovery.

37:31 Oh he's just some. Guy and was not talking about the topic. Researchers aren't sure exactly how these new cats got mummified. Are they really that new one thirty years up to whatever? But the cave's dry conditions and stable temperature could have played a role, according to the new study published Thursday in the Journal of Communications, Earth and Environment. They also don't know why so many cheetahs were in the caves. That's a good point. I don't think they're Cheetah's cave dwellers generally. I don't know cats do like? Sorry, I asked, can find spaces?

38:16 Geez, excuse me all the hell, I'm sorry. It could have been a denning site where mothers birthed and raised their young. Scientists have uncovered the rare mummified remains of other felines, including a saber toothed cat cub in Russia. Would you would you want a saber toothed cat? Sure? Sure, I want a cat. Just let the other party I want to you have a cat? Most of a cat? I do have most of a cat. I would say the vast majority of a cat. Yeah, pretty much percent of a cat. Maybe that's fair.

39:00 Yeah, Scientists, it's uncommon for large mammals to be preserved to this degree. Besides being in the right environment, the carcasses also have to avoid becoming a snack for hungry scavengers like birds and hyenas. To find such intact evidence of cheetahs that lived long ago in this part of the world is quote entirely without precedent. Study author Ahmed Bouje with the National Center for Wildlife in Saudi Arabia said in an email, hmm, I didn't think about that before like, you know, obviously, there are two things that are true about weekly or about monthly spooky. Number one, we're reading stories to have fun and at least somewhat.

39:49 And number two, we are not smart in any way. Yeah, I mean you're college educated, but you know, yeah, sorry to call you out. It's okay, but I didn't think about that before. But the reason this is especially big news is they've literally never found a big cat like this preserved totally mummified. Yeah, because you would think something would have eaten it before. Then. That's yeah, that is really strange. Maybe this is like a maybe this is their kind of like tombs, and it's guarded by other cheetahs. Who stopped a little while ago. Yeah. Yeah, I mean eventually they were like this is stupid, and they were like, now, I'm assuming that's how they sound.

40:33 Maybe they probably do not sound like that. Cheetah's once roamed across most of Africa and parts of Asia, but now live in just nine percent of their previous range and haven't been spotted across the Arabian Peninsula for decades. That's likely due to habitat loss, unregulated hunting, and lack of prey, among other factors. I mean, why are they hunting them? I mean just to because they're dangerous. Or actually cheetahs are not very dangerous. Yeah yeah, what what scale like Like it's like, on a scale of one to ten, how dangerous is a cheetah? Not very dangerous? They don't really kill people cheetahs.

41:16 Okay, So like a two? A two? Okay, So what is like a house cat? Like a five? Okay? I see you and I have very similar opinions about house cats, which I appreciate. Yeah, Like, if a house cat was the size of a cheetah, it would just eat you. But a cheetah is the size of a cheetah and it's not eating you. So hmm okay, Yeah, honestly, I agree with you. That's the worst part. She's out of line, but she's right. In a first for naturally mummified large cats, scientists were also able to peek at the cheetah's jeans and found that there were most similar to modern day cheetahs from Asia and Northwest Africa. That information could help with future efforts to reintroduce the cats to places they no longer live. Okay, is that a good idea? Like if they if they aren't there at all, Like why put them there again?

42:19 It seems like it's not a good habitat for them anymore. It's my point, Well, if they were like hunted to extinction, then that's that's an US problem. Yeah, But the problem is it's not an US problem. It's like all of the different governments and cultures that are like in that region. That's my point is like it just sounds like it's not hospitable. I'm not saying like they deserve to be hunted. I'm saying, can we make everybody agree to stop killing them? Yeah? Maybe we should just leave them where they are. Maybe we should, Yeah, maybe we should concentrate on them doing you know, having more population where they are. But I again, I don't know stuff. I could be completely wrong. It just worries me because it's like if they were like rushed out of a place, like, will it be beneficial to put them back there?

43:00 Yeah, but at least they could see they're dead again. Actually they probably took them out of that cave. Likely Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also like if they were hunted, Like to me, the way this made it sound was like they're not there anymore. That's what makes me feel weird. If they were like, oh, the population's decimated, it like, yeah, let's bump the numbers back up. But if they're gone, I would say, like just move on. Yeah, Like it's probably not good for them unless they but it could be about like them providing you know, balance to the nature stuff, or that could be too. Yeah, it could be helpful, beneficial for the ecosystem to have them. Yeah. The Associated Press Health and Science Department received support from the Howard Oh wait, that's sorry. That was That was a weird end to the article. It was just to places they no longer live. I assumed there was a little bit more to it about like what they were going to do for that, but no, Well thanks a lot, Huffington Post cheese. Well, I hope the folks listening to this are you know, have electricity and are warm and they're enjoying a little spooky fun because things are gonna get chilling when we get back, because this next story might be harder to make fun of, although Chill will probably find a way because she's in a cruel mood because a body was found at a missing woman's home and it's opened up kind of a dark chain of events, So we'll be talking about that right after this, and we're back now heading to people dot

44:41 com while Michelle yawns rudely in my face. Now you're not, are you really? I mean, I'm a little sad that I did it. Yeah. Yeah. A body was found at a missing woman's home and now how her son and daughter in law are in custody? Uh oh yeah, yeah, this seems a little strange. Unidentified human remains were found in a makeshift backyard grave at the home of an elderly Mississippi woman who had gone missing, and now her son and daughter in law are charged in connection with the case. Authority said.

45:24 Yeah. On Monday, December twenty second, the Jackson Police Department put out a missing persons alert for Carol Ryan eighty one after a family member reported that she had not been heard from for several months. The man who reported her missing said Carol Ryan was supposed to be at a nursing home in Brandon, but he had not been able to locate her, police said in the announcement. On Monday night, Jackson Police obtained a search warrant for Karen Ryan's home or Carol Ryan's home. Chief Tyree Jones told reporters at the scene on Tuesday, December twenty third. Jones told reporters that evidence led investigators to bring in excavators and other machinery, which then led to the discovery of unidentified human remains that were buried in the backyard.

46:08 I wonder what the evidence was like, was there like a grave there that said like, this is where we buried the body. So they're like, I guess we have to excavate. I mean, you know, I don't know this. This seems weird because like the headline sounds simple until you break it down and then you're like, wait, what there was a graveyard in the backyard. I guess maybe they could have brought in like one of those cadaver dogs that like can I don't know why they would bring that, but maybe they did, and they were like it's under the ground. Yeah, he said, the remains were wrapped in a wait. Oh yeah, We're wrapped in a tarp and buried in a grave that was six to eight feet deep and contained concrete. Oh wow, that's that's being dedicated to the job.

46:56 Yeah. Authorities believe Carol Ryan may have disappeared from the home where she lived with her son and daughter in law. Jones said the body had allegedly been buried in the backyard quote long before Carol Ryan was reported missing. Yeah. Yeah. On Wednesday, December twenty fourth, ah Christmas Eve, the Jackson Police Department issued a press release saying that John Ryan, fifty, and his wife, Samantha Ryan, forty eight, had been arrested and charged with desecration of a human corpse. The Clarion Ledger reports Carol Ryan will continue to be classified as a missing person until the remains they unearthed are conclusively identified. John Ryan is being held on a one hundred thousand dollars bond and Samantha Ryan is being held on a seventy five thousand dollars bond, according to the online jail records.

47:43 More charges are possible. Jones said it is unclear whether the suspects have retained attorneys who can speak on their behalf. The Jackson Police Department did not immediately respond to people's request for information. So just there was an unrelated grave and there was concrete involved, Like it was like like a, I mean, that's a lot of effort. Yeah, it was dug very deep. Yeah, but the whole desecration of a human corpse. Thing has really got me too, because that's not murder. So I don't really know, like who was this person? Did they dig up a body from another grave and then mess with it and then put then bury it in the bag?

48:25 I think burying human remains without the proper permitting is desecration. Oh okay, I think so I could be wrong, but that is a that's very strange because you know, there are family funeral plots and or family cemeteries rather that are on private property and stuff that if they're old enough, it's like, you know, like an old car. It's like, oh, this car is too old. You don't have to have seat belts if you buried them long ago back then you don't need the permits, right, So they'll have to when the body was buried, how the person died. So I'm guessing that they're just holding them on what they can hold them for, which is desecration, because there's no evidence they did anything to the body, but they were in possession with it. There's no evidence they killed the person.

49:15 All they have is evidence that the body was you know, handled improperly. I mean, I would assume it's not like super super old because the whole I mean, the whole thing about like it's buried in concrete. Like it just doesn't sound normal. It doesn't sound like a normal, just grave thing. Yeah, I mean I would do it, but that doesn't mean that it's normal. No, no, no. Unlike most of your choices, which are extremely normal, this one a bit off the beaten path, so to speak. Well, oh no, there's a comment section I don't want to know. Oh well, the first comment just says Republicans.

49:58 I don't know what that means. In this context. I don't either. One of the comments sounds like she's one of those conspiracy theory believers. To me, are they responding to somebody else? Oh no, I yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Wow. Let me guess they were cashing her social Security checks because the woman that's missing, I'm guessing. Then somebody just says maga with an exclamation point, and I have no idea if that's a negative exclamation or a positive exclamation.

50:39 I don't know. Oh, thank goodness, Okay, there's some sanity at people dot com. The next comment is, oh, for heaven's sake, nothing, this has nothing to do with politics. And then somebody comments unthan said, oh, whatever, we both know who they'd vote for. What is happening? I don't know. I usually I usually don't look at the comments, but I was like, this is such a bizarre and short article. I was like, Okay, what are people saying? Yeah, I'm not saying anything, apparently. And then a lot of people are commenting on their mug shots, which they do look a little on the rough end of the spectrum. What so, Like, if I had a mug mug shot, I'm sure I wouldn't look not rough in it, Like what do you want?

51:24 They do kind of look like they might be drug abusers. Okay, maybe, or maybe they just they were just crying a lot because they were just arrested for. A second, or maybe they're just ugly, Like yeah, they're just ug Oh. Is that a crime? Is that a crime? Because it should be. I'm running for office right now. I'm so glad that you're ready to go. I mean, there was that one presidential campaign you ran, which was very fun to question you in debate. That was a few years back. Yeah, yeah, I'm.

52:05 The old show. The show is awkward. So well, we're going to take a real quick break and when we get back. Don't worry, Celle. We're heading back to the world of real estate because I know how much you enjoy houses and buildings. We're heading to Venice, where there's nine bedrooms and seven untimely deaths. Right after this, we are back with some more spooky news, and Chell brought some other spooky news to my attention, which we've added to the queue for this month. But we'll get to that in a minute, because for now, we're heading to Venice.

52:54 Yay. You like Venice, right. I mean in theory. I've never been there, but I like and I like really bad smelling cities, so it sounds right. Now. Do you like water as much as these buildings? I love them. Look at them. They're just sitting in the water. The water is like up to the door. Yeah, they just. Doesn't the water get in the house. No, because I don't think they use those floors, or maybe they do. I don't know how. What's going on? Yeah? Uh, nine bedrooms, seven untimely deaths can cursed Venice Palace finally attract a buyer.

53:41 I'll take it. Jeez. Uh, well, wait to hear what they're asking. It ought to be an estate agents stream primely positioned. Uh oh, this is The Guardian, by the way dot com primary positioned on the banks of the Grand Canal in Venice, just steps away from the Peggy Guggenheim collection. The story did Cadario has shimmered on the water since the late fifteenth century. Its elegant Early Venetian Renaissance facade among the cities most distinctive, named after its owner, Giovanni Dario, a diplomat hailed a hero after securing a peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire. Over the centuries, the palazzo has been home to nobles, merchants, and even British Rock Royalty. Okay, maybe the idols lived there back in the nineties.

54:35 Your children, Yes, yeah. In nineteen eight. Oh wait, and they're just idols, right, yes, not the In nineteen oh eight, it was painted by Claude Monet during his trip to Venice, and one year later was cited by Henry James in his travelogue Italian Hours. I'll show you the Monet. It sure looks like a mone. It does look like a Monae. Way, yep, that's a mone. Hey, it must be the moment. But the sprawling building which comes with nine bedrooms eight bathrooms, Wow, almost as many bathrooms as bedrooms. Weird, I mean, and grand. Reception rooms filled with frescoes. Has proved stubbornly difficult to sell, and not necessarily because buyers have been spooked by its price tag, a reported seventeen point four million pounds fine A state what I mean? Now you don't want it?

55:35 No, I don't want it anymore. But why I can't afford seventeen million pounds? You don't know that. You don't even know how much that is. I don't, but I think I can't afford it anyway? Very heavy. Yeah. Estate agents have struggled to overcome its reputation as quote Venice's cursed Palace, owing to a string of owners and guests who met untimely and in some cases, violent deaths. I mean, you'd hope, so hope. So I mean, if they're not violent, who even cares? Exactly? Yeah, car with a bang or a boom or whatever.

56:18 A new sound makes, a new mased now freshly renovated. The sale of Cadadio has been given another push. The challenge entrusted to the Venice unit of Christie's International Real Estate and Angle and vulcars or volt cares. Christie's describes the building as a quote architectural gem boasting Gothic arches, antique Morano chandeliers and a loja terrace. I don't know what a lot of that means, while while noting its location in a quote peaceful Venetian neighborhood, tucked away from the crowds.

57:05 Yeah again, I'd buy it, but I can't so. What the marketing spiel like, this is spiel. What the marketing spiel doesn't mention are the tragic tales that have embellished the local legends of it being jinxed. Yeah, I don't care ouch. As the story goes, the palazzo is associated with at least seven deaths, the most gruesome in nineteen seventy, when its owner, Count Filipo Giordano de la Lanze, was murdered within its walls by his boyfriend, a sailor who fled to London and was himself later murdered. Will sellers be like that, man? Yeah, are you sure you don't want this? If I show you this image of the palazzo? Oh man, look at that palazzo.

57:58 It looks really nice. You have always said, how much. You love palazzos I have, I said, I don't even know what that means, but I love them. Do you like how there's like a step stool up to the sink. For some reason, because I'm really short, so it's perfect. I feel like that's not that tall though, Yeah, I mean it does not look tall. Maybe it's for a child. I don't know. I mean maybe it's a it's a toilet like it's You could use the sink as a toilet too, so you need to be able to get up there. Oh, I sure, very authentic Italiano Christopher kit Lambert Lambert God, I cannot keep all like between reading like true crime stories for terrifying and true and doing these new stories. I sometimes I get so lost. I don't know which dialect I'm supposed to try to pronounce things in anymore. At the time, the manager of the who bought the property the following year after the murder, although he claimed to have never claimed to have been unbothered by the supposed curse, he is said to have told friends that he slept elsewhere in order to escape the ghosts.

59:14 Yeah, I guess do you think he was. Just lying to sound cool? He was like I'm not even afraid of no ghosts. And then he was like, hey, friends, I'm really afraid of ghosts. Yeah. Either that or he actually slept there, but he wanted to be a believer, so he'd be like, I didn't actually sleep there because I'm so scared of the ghosts. I'm just so scared of the ghosts. I don't know why he's Italian now is not He's from England. Still, local people have blamed the curse for his descent into drugs, subsequent financial crisis, and death in London in nineteen eighty one after falling down a flight of stairs. Okay, first, I see where they're coming from. Have you sheall ever heard of anyone in the music business having a drug problem or financial issues?

59:59 I mean it happens really rarely. Usually it's a curse. So yeah, I get it. I get it. This would never happen to a regular manager of a band. If it wasn't a rock band. Yeah, yeah, wait, yeah, I stand by would have said, oh okay. In the nineteen eighties, the palace was bought by the Italian financier Raoul Gardini, who became embroiled in a high profile corruption scandal. And killed himself in Milan in nineteen ninety three. These people aren't even dying on this property.

1:00:40 No, but they are all dying like shortly, within roughly ten years of living there, which is kind of weird. Yeah, I mean so, I guess maybe it just attracts people who have these really like dangerous lifestyles. You mean, like wealth does that. Yeah, I'm just saying it's I mean it price to you out of it. Yeah, Now I feel bad. I'm sorry I said that to you. Okay, No, it's fine. I deserve suffering. The legends also allude to the palazzo casting misfortune on those who simply came within striking distance or holidayed there.

1:01:22 Wow. Mario Delmonico, an operator an operatic tenor, was planning to buy the property in nineteen sixty four, but changed his mind after being involved in a serious car accident on his way to view it. Oh. John Entwistle, the Who's bass player, died in the United States in two thousand and two, a week after renting the palazzo. Wow, that's like people die and then they go to places, sometimes the other way around.

1:02:02 I mean, I think it's interesting. The basis from the Who stayed at their like they're dead manager's old house. Yeah, supposedly cursed. Yeah. Cad Dario was mostly derelict after that, and although it attracted interest from some perspective buyers enamored of its architecture, rumored to include Woody Allen, it is claimed they were put off by its ghostly undertones. I feel like Woody Allen would be like, you call this a palazo, I mean a name. It's a palazo, but is it really a palazo? I don't know. I don't know. In two thousand and six, the building was bought by an American firm on behalf of its current owner, whose identity has not been made public.

1:02:51 But it's probably dead. They gotta be dead. The fact that the property has been empty ever since has only enhanced the tails Arnaldo Fuselo, a general manager at Christie's in Venice, said Venetians like to tell a good yarn, especially to tourists. For example, quote the gondolier who rose past the building. It's a little bit like that, he said. He also points to the hundreds of inhabitants over the centuries who had lived to a ripe old age at the palazzo, including Dario, who died of natural causes at eighty years old. David Buzzato, a historian in Venice, said the rumors had begun in the nineteen seventies but got into full swing after the suicide of Gardini, generating a journalistic field day quote. The Venetians lapped it up. They love telling a story, and it's quite normal for them to exaggerate like they did with the Poviglia island. Povaglia is an abandoned and reputably haunted island within the Venetian Lagoon. That is funny because there's that Venetian horror story movie. That's a Agatha Christie ghost story that took place in the Venetian area. It was a haunting in Venice, is what it was called. Oh, it's just funny because they even they chose to tell a ghost story in Venice. Venetians were an otherwise pragmatic bunch and usually unswayed by superstition, Bussato said, quote, but they do like to amaze people, especially those who come

1:04:23 from the outside. Bussato said Venice was full of historic buildings where murders and suicides had taken plates, which today hosted luxury hotels. That's the boast you want. Yeah. Quote. As with all legends, the ones surrounding Cadario get a little bit mixed up. The storytellers take a few concrete facts and magnify them. Fussello is confident the building will overcome its eerie reputation and now sell. He said it had so far attracted a lot of interest from a mix of Italians and foreigners. Quote. This is a place where history lives and you die. No, he died, see that part. And if you want to live history, then this is the perfect home to become history. Although it's important that whoever buys it dedicates themselves to keeping this property alive and not themselves. I just it's too easy to add those tags. Yeah. Well, we're going to take a quick break and when we get back, we're going to visit a woman who lives with dozens of haunted dolls and explains what time of year they go completely bananas right after this bananas shell. Yeah, for old time's sake, let's head back to Mirror dot co dot UK. Yay, Now,

1:06:01 before we start, Chell, this story is about a woman named Tegea who lives with dozens of haunted. Dolls sounds really not great. What time of year do you think they're the most active? Valentine's Day? No? No? Do you want one second guess? Yeah? Around Christmas? You're right, that was my first guessesonly. I had a feeling you thought it was too obvious. Yeah, I thought it was too bizarre when I saw this headline, which is I live with dozens of haunted dolls. They're extra active at Christmas time. A woman who lives with dozens of haunted dolls has revealed Christmas drives them crazy. Wow, I mean same?

1:07:05 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I get it. Once, even turning her home into a battle ground of a quote full on prank war. Wow, why are you shaking her head? Because I was afraid it was going to be some sort of pun or something and it wasn't. No prank war, so not so so haunted dolls use pranks okay, okay to. Fight with each other or her I don't know. Yeah, hopefully all will be revealed, Teach a US based paranormal investigator and haunted items collector. That makes sense. It'd be funny if it was like a paranormal investigator and anisthmatist, which is a coin dealer. Yeah, how did you tould these haunted dolls? I really don't know.

1:07:57 They just came like literally. Yeah, yeah, uh prank. They just pranked their way in. Yeah. Has spent the past five years amassing ghoulish artifacts and now lives alongside dozens of them. Do you remember back in the day when we look at eBay listings for haunted dolls? That was fun. Yeah, some of them were really creative. Some of them were not, but some of them were like legitimately, like wow, this is really fun to read and kind of creepy. I think that I don't know if that's still a big thing, because I know, like mystery boxes were really big in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty and dipic boxes and all this haunting stuff.

1:08:42 But I looked at this sometimes I'd look at these haunted dolls and it would be like fifty dollars and it would be like kind of a creepy looking doll, but it would have this long, intricate backstory that was like super thought out, and I was like, man, that would almost be worth it, yeah, like for the cool like oooh, like it'd be like entertainment, you know, among her vast collection. Collection is a massive assortment of fifty four haunted dolls who currently reside in their own room at her house. That sucks for those dolls. They all have to share one room together. I know where they're just pranking each other non stop. Yeah, I'm a prank you bro, I'm a prank you back.

1:09:26 She claims. The dolls wreak havoc by flickering the lights, raiding the fridge, and even hijacking her electronics to play their favorite songs. On normal days, Wow, but at Christmas time the experience is ratcheted to another level. Yeah, I guess, I guess so yeah. Oh well, wow, she's just average looking. I have nothing mean to say. She just kind of looks like a lady. Yeah. Yeah. Also the dolls look just about his average. Ye creepy. Yeah, there's like some stuffed animals. Yeah.

1:10:08 Oh, there's a pink elephant. Yeah, unless I'm just drunk, like in the old cartoons when we were kids, See pink elephants when you're drunk. Uh huh. Yeah. Like that's the other thing is like a lot of these haunted dolls just like normal Of course, dolls are already kind of creepy. So that helps. T says she has encountered unexplained movements and mysteriously rearranged decorations overnight when the festive season hits, creating some of her quote favorite moments. I guess, so, she said, quote to what she loves dolls, she oh, she does, well. I mean, uh, here this is a picture of her clutching one of her favorite dolls.

1:10:51 Ah, I like that doll. It's kind of cool. Has like almost no mouth. Yeah, it's only a little haunted. I don't know how I feel about the lack of mouth. I like it. Let's see, she said, quote, I've had a few favorite moments happened around Christmas. That's great writing her favorite moments, she said, I've had a few favorite moments. Yeah. Once I had hung small stockings on the shelving unit where I keep the dolls. What started as a festive gesture quickly turned into a full blown prank war. Every time I turned my back, the stockings would get pulled down.

1:11:32 It became a daily routine in December where I'd hang them back up and they'd knock them back down. Are you sure it wasn't just like humid in there and the command strips wouldn't stick. Yeah, or whatever you Yeah, whatever she was using to hold them up wasn't good. Quote. Eventually I told them that whichever spirit kept knocking their stocking up kept their stocking. Oh sorry, I told them, whichever spirit kept their stocking up until Christmas without me sing with me would get an extra gift. What do you get the haunted doll that has everything? I'm more concerned that there are like fifty four stockings, one for each doll.

1:12:12 I would need to see proof, I would say, cap, she's got to have like one stocking per like ten dolls. She said, if they kept their stock I don't know. I don't know. It kind of sounds like she just has a stocking for every doll. There's no way she has that many stockings. If she does, it would explain why they keep falling down, because I'm sure like they look okay and then like one of them falls and you gotta find Yeah. That was solid, that's a solid point. Thank you, that's good. Welcome, Oh, because I was getting tired of picking them up. By Christmas day, only two stockings were still hanging. Oh, and there's no photograph of the stocking. Oh, there is one.

1:12:57 Uh wow, okay, there is not a sing for every single one. Bro, look at that. I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve thirteen stockings in that one side of the room. But isn't that because they keep getting knocked down but. They get up again, You're never going to keep them down. Oh yeah, there is one stocking on the floor in that picture. Hmmm. And another spooky experience took place while she was filming a click clip for her TikTok account. Imagine that, yeah, Tee said quote. Just as I was wrapping things up and telling everyone I was about to log off, music suddenly started blaring from my Amazon echo downstairs. I can't say her name. She's in the room with me right now.

1:13:47 I went to check, and sure enough, a Queen song was playing. Queen all right. Fittingly, that's the favorite band of my haunted teddy bear Jeremiah. Wow, she knows his favorite band. Yeah. She's a very involved, very involved doll owner. She's a good doll own her. Yeah, I'm glad you can't hear eye rolls via microphone. Oh but she does have set rules with the dolls to ensure the mischief doesn't go too far. I mean, she wouldn't want another Annabelle on her hands. It's like, and then they knocked the they knocked the stocking off the wall and murdered a woman. Which she introduces these rules when welcoming them into her home. Teach said, quote, we clearly explain our expectations. Wow, no harm to us, our pets, or anyone who visits the house. The only formal step we take when welcoming a new haunted doll is setting verbal boundaries.

1:14:55 Wow. So it's better than having a cat. I mean as far as like being able to say, like, you don't do this, and you don't do this. A cat would just be like, yeah, okay, I might do it. Though, I mean, I feel like a haunted doll would also be like that. I would think so too. But this is evidence to the contrary. Huh quote. While we've never had an issue, it's something we do out of precaution, since every new spirit is an unknown until we get to know them better. We also ask that no exterior doors or windows be opened, mainly to ensure our pets stay inside. It needs pets when you've got all these haunted dolls, though, I don't know, and believe it or not, we've had to add a rule about not blasting music or TV at full volume.

1:15:43 That one came from experience once I came home to find a movie playing so loudly that I could hear it from the street. So we had to put a stop to that pretty quickly. Yeah, apparently ghost hauntings are really easy to manage. I thought that they would be difficult. Also, what happens when they break the rules or they just not if you tell them and they're just like if you're just like, hey, don't blast the TV, They're like, oh sure, I. Mean that's what I'm wondering. I was wondering if she like threatens them with exorcism or something, but she does. I mean, we'll see. TJ's lifelong interest with spirits sparked after a dramatic encounter when she was just six years old and in the first grade. She and her family, who also share an interest in ghost hunting, shocking. We're using an ovalus, a device said to convert environmental ovelis. Yeah, convert environmental energy into words displayed on a screen. I think you've talked about that before.

1:16:34 Yeah, Yeah, we've talked about. Teach said, quote, out of nowhere, the ovelist said, get out of the way fast. We didn't wait. We moved immediately. Right after we cleared the area, a car whipped around the corner. It was really dark, and if we hadn't moved, there's a good chance we could have been hit. I guess they couldn't hear a car whipping around a corner. Well, maybe it's an electric car. That's a fair point. Yeah, you're right, You're right. That moment stuck with me, not just because it was my first clear experience, but because it felt like a spirit was trying to help us. Yeah. Quote, that was the first time I felt like a spirit interaction was actually positive, and that's something I've kept in mind ever since. It's a big part of why I'm now interested in haunted dolls, specifically ones with positive energy. That early experience shape the way I look at the paranormal today. And told me that the dolls are basically slaves. No, it doesn't hit up.

1:17:31 Since beginning her collection five years ago, Teach has encountered dozens of haunted toys, researching their histories online and visiting expedition exhibitions to meet them in person despite the love it. Wow, you're sew into haunted dolls. You're visiting haunted dolls, not just buying me visiting? Yeah, fair enough. Despite the unusual antics of her haunted collection, Teach says the holiday season brings a special kind of joy to her home. I mean, I don't want dolls that are haunted or dolls, but I'm glad that she likes them so much because she seems to really love them and care about them and like what they do to.

1:18:14 Her house as long as they obey her, by. And large, So we didn't find out what she does to them if they don't obey. Yeah. No, I mean I'm hoping that it's just like she just takes them out of the house, although every other haunted doll story I've ever heard is that that doesn't work if you take them out of the house. Yeah, but maybe she's just that powerful so she can. Oh, Okay, that's a fair point, all right. I like that. I like that. Well, we're building, we're doing some world building on the story. Yeah yeah, yeah, but we're gonna take a quick break and then we're going to be talking about over one hundred corpses stolen from a cemetery near you cell. Yeah, a cemetery we have visited together. Yeah, loof right after this and we're back. This story comes from NBC Philadelphia. Yah, are you a fan of NBC Philadelphia?

1:19:18 Not really, but I just liked that they were that it was a local one that you chose. Of course, I can't choose some other place. The headline reads, PA man accused of stealing more than one hundred skeletons from cemeteries. This has multiple cemeteries. Yeah, I mean when I had heard, they were like, it could be for others too, but they hadn't. I think, so maybe this is updated a bit. A Pennsylvania man is accused of stealing more than one hundred skeletons from cemeteries in Delaware County, Philadelphia, and Luzerne. That's so how you said, Yeah, yeah. Luzerne County. I didn't want it to be another schoogle where it doesn't look at all like it sounds. Jonathan Gerlash thirty four of Efrata Efrata, Efreda Afreda maybe ELFREDA Affreda, Pennsylvania is charged with twenty six counts of burglary. Twenty six counts of criminal trespass, one hundred counts of abuse of corpse, one hundred counts of receiving stolen property, twenty six counts of intentional desecration of public monument, and other related offenses.

1:20:31 Yeah, I'm interested. It's really interesting to me because he's not local, So why did he come here to steal our corpses? Well, I mean, you know, I know Mount Mariah is technically abandoned, right, so I mean maybe that's why that place. Yeah, And I mean that that's a big cemetery, dude, is I remember we hiked into it and there's a point where you can't like, it's cemetery every direction. It's so big. I mean you could maybe see a little bit of like Philly skyline, but it's just cemetery. There's like you don't see an exit. You're in cemetery. Yeah, yeah, which is pretty cool. It's like when you're on like when I was on that first frozen lake I ever got on, and it was so big. I didn't realize that when I went to the middle of it, I couldn't see anything but frozen lake in every direction. It was like being in Antarctica. Like the look of it. It was just like, holy crap. Also blows my mind. He took exactly one hundred.

1:21:25 It looks like, well, I mean, you got it. You got it. That's a good well. It says more than it says more than one hundred there, But then he's charged with one hundred counts of receiving stolen property. Maybe yeah, no idea, I don't know. That's weird. So uh, let's see. Court documents obtained by NBC ten revealed details on the thefts, as well as how investigators identified Gerlatch as the suspect. According to the criminal complaint, the thefts occurred between November seventh, twenty twenty five, and January sixth, twenty twenty six, in both the Delaware County and philadelph sections of the Mount Mariah. It's so big. It's in two counties. Yeah. Yeah. It is of the Mount Mariah Cemetery as well as a cemetery in Plains Township in Luzerne County.

1:22:11 Okay, so he okay, so that makes sense. He came here specifically for that cemetery, and then he went back to him and also grave robbed, got it. That's a lot of grave robbery in one in like a very short amount of times. Yeah, November to January too month. Yeah, that's insanity. Yeah yeah, yeah. And he needs to be careful though, because people bury bodies from like criminal activities there sometimes, so he's got to be careful. That's the scuttle. But anyway, yeah, I mean has that ever been proven? Yes? Oh, there were at. Least two times where they found a dead body in a mausoleum that was not supposed to be there, like a murder.

1:22:58 Geez, Okay, okay, I believe you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's okay, I'll never do it again. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. In all, twenty six mausoleums and underground burial sites were burglarized or desecrated at Mount Mariah Cemetery. Investigators said, how do you how that's more than two bodies a day? Is Yeah, over one hundred and sixty days. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, I mean it really dedicated. I respect the hustle. Yeah. The thefts included multiple instances in which a burglar broke into mausoleums and stole human remains. The targeted remains included the bodies of the following individuals. Martha Hunter a person who was born in eighteen fifty four and died in eighteen sixty nine. Mary Prichard Stiegelmann a person who was born in eighteen seventy eight and died in nineteen forty.

1:23:52 Mary Cappellini pega, oh, there you go, there's some Italian name. Got to be MOB related, a person who was born in eighteen ninety eight and died in nineteen eighty one. And Leo Terris Terrence a person who was born in nineteen twenty eight and died in nineteen eighty one. Throughout their investigation, detectives collected numerous pieces of evidence from the crime scenes, including energy drink cans. Well, he would need them for this amount of theft, Yes, is seriously insane. Chell mentioned the stirring the break to me, just said, like, do you hear about that? I was like, what a hundred? A hundred and Chill is not the type to embellish or believe embellished news stories. Like if you heard a hundred, if somebody just said and passed like, yeah, a hundred skeletons got stolen from whatever, you'd look it up right away.

1:24:38 You'd want to know that it was really one hundred, yeah, and not like thirty and some people say one hundred. I was like what And I was like, immediately, we have to add that to the spooky news, like holy crap, but including energy drink cans, cigarettes, a pair of glasses, a zip tie, and. Tools one zip tie just. A single solitary sad zip tie or a zip time. In late December, as the investigation continued, police in planes Township and Yayden were both made aware of a tip that had been submitted to the Lancaster City Police Department. The tip, which was submitted on December twentieth, twenty twenty five, identified Jonathan Gerlatch as a possible suspect in the Luzerne County mausoleum robbery. Hmmm, according, I want to know. There's so much I want to know.

1:25:32 Yeah. I want to know what kind of car he drove. Yeah, I guess he drove into the cemetery, obviously. I want to know what tools did he have. I want to know where he stored all of these skeletons. I think they might tell you that. I hope they do. I mean, I hope he doesn't keep them in his closet, because I've heard bad things. Yeah, I'm fun. I'm fun, okay. According with the Tipsare tipster, witnesses had spotted a partially decomposed corpse hanging in the basement of Gerlach's home in Efrada, Pennsylvania. The tipster also posted Gerlash's Instagram account, which investigators said included posts on taxidermy, skeleton collecting and sales, oddities and bone museums.

1:26:23 Wow. Yeah, he's just really into this. I get it. It makes me sad though, because I like, did an Oddities expo and people were not like weird like that. Some of them are mean. Well, I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong. They're gonna be They're gonna be some, They're gonna be some. Police also identified Girlash as the suspect in a theft at a hardware store in East Earl Township, Pennsylvania, in which a headlamp and la led rechargeable glowstick, gloves, and tools commonly used in burglaries were stolen. He just really doesn't like like doing things that aren't theft him. Yeah, he's just like, nah, I gotta steal this stuff. I don't want anybody to wonder why I bought a headlamp.

1:27:03 Maybe selling the corpses just ain't going as good as he was hoping. It's not bringing in the cashola like you wanted, yeah, investigator, Oh my gosh. Investigators also determined Girlash was a member of a human bones and skull selling group on Facebook I mean of course, and spotted a post in which a member thanked him for selling an item to him. Wow. Police also searched through Girlac's cash app account, which showed a photo of a person holding what appeared to be a human skull in front of their face, and identified Girlash's vehicle, which they said was driven near the locations and on the dates of the reported cemetery burglaries. According to the criminal complaints, have you ever seen Return of the Being Dead?

1:28:04 I get confused about which one that is. That's the one with all the punk music and the punk rockers. No, Oh, you'd actually really like that one. Part two. There are two grave robbers, and that's the things they're going into steal jewelry and to steal like skulls. And he's like, oh, yeah, you get a lot of money for an intered skull. And he's like, well, how how would they even know that? The skull was actually buried. He was like, you can't sell them a skull that wasn't buried. It'd be dishonest. You're selling ahead you stole. I just always love it, like that's the line. Yeah, not dishonest. We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll talk all about the arrest of this ghoul. I just can't get over how like all of the evidence is so lined up perfectly cash app. Yeah, you know, if he had used cryptocurrency, it would have taken, you know, a day longer for them to figure out that he sold them and got paid.

1:29:10 I mean, he could have also used cash. That would have taken longer than cash app. Nobody has cash anymore. Fine, but right after this, all right, we're back talking about the Pennsylvania man accused of stealing one hundred skeletons. It still feels a little surreal to me. Yeah, why did you think when you heard that? I mean, you're a Filly native, wouldn't you hear? I was. I was really sad because I don't want Mount Mariah Cemetery to be robbed. Mm that's that was my takeaway.

1:29:54 Yeah, I was really sad that they caught that guy. Yeah, because a skull from him exactly. Yeah, damn. On Tuesday, January sixth, around eight pm, detectives were conducting surveillance in the Philadelphia section of Mount Mariah Cemetery on Cemetery and Chester Avenues when they spotted a vehicle with numerous bones and skulls in the back seat. That'll do it, do you? I wanted. I wonder and I do wonder. Did he think that maybe because the cemetery was abandoned, that it wasn't a crime or something.

1:30:38 Maybe. I mean the other option is that he thought no one would catch him because it's abandoned. True. I mean we saw almost nobody when we were there. Yeah, it's just a huge cemetery. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like the fact that it's like they just saw bones and skulls in the back seat. It's like not even the trunk bro not even covered with a tarp baro. Well, they were in the trunk and then it got full, so then they were in the back seat. Oh yeah, hoisted by his own petard his success. It was his undoing. Yeah. The driver, later identified as Jonathan Gerlash, was then spotted leaving thee was then spotted leaving the cemetery holding a burlap bag, crowbar and other items. Police said, yeah, investigators took Gerlach into custody. He then allegedly admitted to stealing around thirty sets of human remains. He was trying to get away with a lot. It was like it was like thirty, you know, no big deal, you know, like like a Romanian Baker's dozen. Right, They're like, you don't know what that means. Investigators then executed a search warrant at his home on Washington Avenue in Ephrada, Ephrada Ephreda Epfreida I think Efreida, and recovered one hunt human skeletons, as well as eight more human remains inside a storage locker that Girlash owned on East Main Street in Ephrata. Wow,

1:32:11 according to the criminal complaint, Wow. He was getting so big with that he had to get a story. He was expanding. I mean, he was like going to become he was like getting ready to become the Walmart of corpse theft. Yeah. Well, like, oh my gosh, look, I have a friend who collects audit like serious weird oddities, so much so that I will not say his name because because the legality of some of this stuff is rocky. Like, for instance, he moved, he moved warehouses to a new state, and then shortly thereafter found out some of the things he owned were simply not legal in that state. Oh wow.

1:32:51 They were legal in another state, but not that one. Wow. And he had to like talk to his attorney and they were like, yeah, you need to just like calmly and quietly pack that stuff up one night and go to your warehouse in the other state and just take it there. Yeah. Yeah, just just calmly do that sometime because because they're not like looking for you, but if you if you're flaunting it or whatever, they're gonna get you. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not And I love that guy. He's a he's a good dude, and but he owns a lot of weird stuff like that. So like I appreciate that, Like I would never want any of that. Yeah, me neither. I'm just not that kind of person. It makes me feel weird the idea. Yeah yeah, so, but you know, I've known people who've collected like body parts from like serial killers and stuff. Yeah that's weird. So anyway, quote detectives walked into a horror movie come to light the other night, guys. Delaware County District Attorney Tanner Rouse said during a press conference on Thursday, I love that quote.

1:33:55 Detectives walked into a horror movie come to life the other night. Guys. Yeah, that's a press conference. We still go yeah, we we we We're more chill about things. This is an unbelievable scene that no one involved, from myself to the detectives, to the medical examiners that are now trying to piece together what they're looking at. Quite literally, none of them have ever seen anything like this before. Ral said, before taking a chair sitting in front of him, turning it backwards, and sitting on it while facing the ard. Ral said, some of the stolen So I'm the cool district attorney, the kind you can wrap about your problems too.

1:34:38 Ralse said, some of the I love. I can't stop laughing over. Ral said, some of the stolen skeletons are hundreds of years old. Like that's what I'm laughing over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quote now, And that makes sense though, because the really old skeletons would be worth a lot of money. M hmm, because you can there's like a coloring and stuff. They get when they're aged that there's no other way to get that than being buried for a long period of time. Quote, we are trying to figure out, You're like, I only want fresh human remains exactly. That sounds gross. We are trying to figure out exactly what we are looking at, Rause said, we quite simply at this juncture are not able to date and identify all of them. Well, they're dead, so you can't go on a date with them.

1:35:20 That would be weird, it really weird. Yeah. Rause also said that some of the skeletons are infants and children. That would make it weirder too. Quote, it is truly, in the most literal sense of the word horrific. I grieve for those who are upset by this, who are going through it, who are trying to figure out if it is in fact their loved one or their child, because we found remains that we believe to be months old infants among those he had collected. Our hearts go out to every family impacted by this. Yeah, I mean, this is not meant to justify anything. I'm just saying, at least none of these were recently deceased people. I mean that that it still would be horrible. But to find out like, uh, you know, loved one had been pulled up. But it's like for the sake of the victims, I hope that like they're like separated by many generally, Like it's like, oh, that was my you know, grandfather's father.

1:36:21 I never knew him or you know whatever, just for the sake of like so ghastly. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of the best case worst of this worst case. Well, I mean, the best thing about it is that he didn't kill anybody. That's that's the best thing about most things that don't involve killing it. Yeah, this person nobody died, but this is this involves. Dead people, but he didn't kill the dead people. So that's good. Yeah, No, I agree, No, that's good too. I guess you're just like what's Philadelphia? Almost every story is and then someone was murdered exactly like literally all of them. Like there's a story about a guy stealing a pack of cigarettes. He killed four people on the way to do it. Unrelated. Yeah, Girlash is currently in custody at the Delaware County Prison after failing to post one million dollars in bail. So I guess his business wasn't booming after all, I guess not. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on January twentieth, twenty twenty sixth. Oh wait, so did he have it?

1:37:25 I assume? So should I? Should I follow up on that real quick? Sure? Let's see girlash preliminary hearing pauh Wow, nearly five hundred criminal charges? Wow? Holy moley. Let's see four hundred and ninety six counts uh, it says the preliminary hearing on January twelth. It is like, but do we know what happened? Man? Nobody.

1:38:13 Nobody's saying anything. What happened? Nope? Nothing. It's pretty cool though for me, because that's my courthouse, Like, that's where I went to do jury. Duty, but not for this case. Sadly, unfortunately not I would have stuck around for this, but I knew about it so that it probably wouldn't have picked me. Yeah, probably not. Yeah, unfortunately, other we don't have anything about the preliminary hearing. I couldn't find anything. Oh, this is interesting. So in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware it is not illegal to buy or sell human bones. Was that signal? I was like, we did it. I wonder about Ohio.

1:39:02 I don't know. Can you sell human bones in Ohio? I'm on a list now, yeah, I know, yep, Okay, it's legal. Okay, So maybe you're not on a list. Don't sell me short. What is illegal is theft and grave robbery, along with interstate trafficking of stolen goods. So what would someone want to do with another person's boats. Well, there's an entire market for them. The NBC ten investigators looked into the trade. While court documents show most of the business took place online, the investigators found one Facebook group has more than five thousand, three hundred people following it. Wow. Man, and our weekly Spooky Tomb of Terror only has like five hundred.

1:39:52 Wow. Maybe we should start selling human remains on there. I would I would think that that would help. People post from all over the world. And the items are typically a few hundred dollars. See, so you can't buy the palazo, but you could buy some human remains. I could. Yeah, I know what you're getting for your birthday? Yeah, what are you thinking? I mean, a skull's too ostentatious, Like you want like a hip bone or something? Yeah, or like a little toe. A little toe. Yeah. There are also stores where people can buy human bones, and where full skeletons can be as much as seven thousand dollars. What.

1:40:40 I'm trying to be nice about all of this because I know that there are people who are really into this stuff. So something feels very bad to me about buying a person I just don't like it. Well, it's different if they're alive. That's very illegal. I mean, I agree that it's different, but I still like it. No. I like, I get that some people, for some people, morbidity like that is similar to like my love of horror movies or my love of scary stories and how I find them cathartic and relaxing or fun or distracting or whatever. I think that it's kind of like how some people like the idea of like cremaines on a mantle and some people hate it. I think we all have like our own level of what just works for us, you know. And I think to some people having a display, I mean, it'd be one thing if you're doing something ghastly, like using a real human skull for a friggin' ashtray or something, you're just weird and edgy. And I don't know if I like you, but if you display a something, maybe that's about you. How you handle the idea of, you know, being mortal, How you handle the idea of mortality, how you handle the idea that we all have to die someday. Maybe that's what it means to you and it looks kind of interesting, But to me, the idea of having like a real human bone makes me uncomfortable. Though,

1:42:12 I'll be honest, if it's older, like if it's a thousand years old, it doesn't feel as creepy as if it's one hundred years old. Sure, And if it was like ten years old, I would be mortified, you know, like, so it's weird and I can't I can't tell you why exactly I feel how way, It's just that's my initial instinct. Is like if somebody said like, oh, yeah, this is you know, a human hand like skeleton, a hand from eighteen hundred years ago in Egypt or something, I'd be like, oh, wow, that's really cool. But it was like here's a human hand from nineteen eighty six, I'd be like, oh, what the hell, man? You know, it's it's weird. There's a distance does make a difference, So I don't know while girl Ash is in custody.

1:42:56 The investigation is ongoing. Anyone with information on the thefts should contact Detective Leah Sesesenik at six' one oh six two three one five zero zero or Detective Chris Carr at six one oh eight nine one four seven zero zero. I want to put that in there because it is ongoing, and it's not often we're talking about something totally ongoing, and we do have listeners in PA. I don't know how any air in Philly, but I would assume it's pretty split between Pittsburgh and Philly. So yeah, if you have any information, help put this guy away for a good long while, you know. But thanks for the laughs. You were almost as amusing as a woman who poisoned people with a mushroom, but not quite. And we're going to take a quick break now, and when we get back, we're going to talk about a winter storm. Winter winter storm that triggered one of the deadliest disasters in Washington, d C. History, when it hit the Knickerbocker Theater right after this. Yeah, so Chell, yes, when you think of the historic Knickerbocker Theater, what's the first thing that comes to mind to you.

1:44:14 I don't know anything about this oric Knickerbocker theater at all. Wow. Yeah, Well, as many many people are dealing with differing levels of winter storms snow, ice, sleet, I want to talk about this article from the Smithsonian Magazine at smithsonianmag dot com. The headline is when a winter storm triggered one of the deadliest disasters in DC history. Cool. Well, I think it was cold actually, ah so, but wow, like, hold and I'll show you this. This shot of the collapse theater is pretty daunting.

1:45:01 Oh, here's because did snow get stuck on the roof and then it collapsed? Yep? Yeah, that's rough. It's crazy. It looks crazy. Holy Moly, good golly, Miss Molly. Sorry, I'm just weird all the time forever. So let's see. It was a seemingly inconsequential homework assignment that saved Charles Lyman the Third's life on a frigid night in January of nineteen twenty two, then a fourteen year old prep school student. Lyman was visiting family in Washington, d C.

1:45:45 When a major snowstorm buried the city under almost two and a half feet of snow. Oh my god, which might be how much Washington, DC gets this from the storm. I last I heard it was like a max ofen for DC. Yeah, but it could be much less. I mean that's what I was hearing. Yeah, I don't know where the line is because I know parts of South Jersey and Delaware are getting a lot of mixed precipitation, So I would assume by DC it would be a lot of mix. But yeah, which which could potentially melt the snow away or turn into ice hell. On Saturday, January twenty eighth, the second day of the blizzard, Lyman's cousin David, suggested spending a cozy evening watching a movie at the Knickerbocker Theater in nearby Landyar Heights now known as Adams Morgan.

1:46:38 I love that this is what was this nineteen twenty two? Yeah, nineteen twenty two. I love that they go to see a movie during a blizzard. I don't know, like that feels so weird to me because it's accurate. Like movie theaters very seldom close, so like whether it's a holiday or weather, if they have power, they tend to just go. Yeah, so it is interesting that they're like let's go for a cozy time, Let's go to the Knickerbocker Theater. And all I'm thinking, He's like, Well, On one hand, I'd be like, why not stay helmet. On the other hand, I bet they could walk there? Yeah yeah. And it's snowing, so it's gonna be fun to walk there. Yeah yeah. Lyman told him to go ahead with a friend, Kirkland Duke, and promised to join the pair after finishing his schoolwork. Fuggin nerd Yeah. Trudging through the snow, about a half a block away from the theater, Lyman heard a sudden boom, followed by a chorus of terrified screams.

1:47:40 The Knickerbocker's roof had come crashing down, overwhelmed by the weight of the record breaking snowfall. Yeah, that is crazy to imagine. In total, the collapse killed ninety eight people, including David and Kirkland. That sucks, and injured another one hundred and thirty three. Wow. According to Kevin Ambrose, author of the of a twenty thirteen book on that blizzard, the tragedy marked the city's deadliest single day disaster. A century later, however, the Knickerbocker Theater remains little known among the denizens of the nation's capital on the night of January twenty eighth, nineteen twelveh Wait, that's sorry, that's a caption under the photo. Holy shoot, Sorry, these images are crazy.

1:48:36 Look at that, Like the entire roof of the theater collapsed. It looks it looks like it's a wall. It's like it looks like a big stone wall. It doesn't look like it was a part of a building at all. That's coraw Man, Okay. Quote. It's not common knowledge now, says Ambrose. It was a horrendous disaster at the time and widely publicized, but over the years it's slowly been forgotten. Lyman, who became a rear admiral in the United States Navy and lived to the age of sixty nine, was a why rear admiral and then age of sixty nine like Smithsonian knows what they're doing. Yeah, they know what they're doing.

1:49:22 Was a quote very even keeled kind of person and didn't express much emotion about the tragedy, says his daughter, ninety two year old Marge Miller, But he did tell his family the basic facts about what would later be dubbed the Knickerbocker storm in honor of the fallen theater man. The blizzard started out as a slow moving low pressure system centered off the Atlantic Coast. It traveled north from Georgia, walloping Virginia in the to the Carolinas and dumped the heaviest snow a record twenty eight inches on the DCA area. Wow.

1:50:02 I've told you. When I was growing up, occasionally they would send me to New Hampshire for Christmas and the craziest part was just seeing how much snow they got. Yeah. Yeah, I was used to. I was used to Dayton, you know area, So you know, we we'd max out at ten inches and it was very rare in one go. So when I got there, like, yeah, it looks like we're gonna have one to two feet of snow. I'd be like, do you mean one to two inches? They'd be like, nope, one to two feet. Wow. Yeah. Though the region has experienced severe snowstorms in the decades since, during the snow called some Snowmageddon of February of twenty ten, the Dulles International Airport measured thirty two inches of accumulation. The loss of life caused by the theater collapse makes the Knickerbocker storm, the worst in DC's history.

1:50:52 According to Ambrose, Ooh, here's a picture of an old timey car with snow on it. Wow, that's a lot of snow. It is you. Can barely tell that it is a car. Sort of, I mean, aside from the headlights again and then it looks like a car in the car part. Yeah. By the night of January twenty eighth, the blizzard had started to wind down. Braving the snow, more than two hundred people walked to the theater to watch a silent comedy Get Rich Quick Wallingford, which has since been lost a lot of I don't know if you knew this, but like a lot of silent films. I think eighty percent of silent films are lost. Wow, it's something crazy. There's a documentary I wish I could remember the name of it off the top of my head, but it's about how there was a movie theater in Alaska and went out of business at some point in the fifty sixty seventy somewhere in there, and it's sat because the town doesn't have a very booming economy, so which just sat and in the late nineties or something, somebody bought it and started cleaning it out and found dozens of silent films that had been lost just sitting in their basement because it was the little end of the world, like the ends of the Earth. Nobody asked for the Prince back when they got to Alaska. It was the last place they'd send them.

1:52:08 Yeah. Yeah, and that's very common, like even in more modern times, like movie theaters toward the center of the of the US often end up like just keeping prints. This was a long time ago, but they would end up keeping prints in the sixties and seventies and eighties because like by the time they reached the middle of the country and got their box office, nobody really cared anymore. So if you didn't follow up and go, hey, send your courier, it would just sit in your basement. Wow, because people didn't see a lot of value in that stuff back then. So, but yes, they literally found I think it was dozens. I don't think it was hundreds, but they found dozens of silent movies that were lost because they were in the basement of that theater. Yeah. So, but yeah, a lot of them are lost. Moviegoers paid twenty five cents for admission to the Knickerbocker, which Ambrose calls the Titanic of Washington theaters at the time, both where it's elegant style and its fatal vulnerabilities to the forces of nature. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious what twenty five cents was worth in nineteen twenty two, because that sounds like actually a lot.

1:53:14 I say ten dollars. Dollar inflation calculator. Okay, so it's about four dollars and eighty two cents today. Oh jeez, that would have been nice. Well, the reason I thought it sounded like lot was because I remember when, like in the fifties, McDonald's hamburgers were five cents each, So yeah, they started out as a nickel. I'm almost sure certain. Huh, Well, movies are more important than hamburgers. I mean, I would have to agree. How much was a burger in McDonald's fifth Okay, I'm wrong. Fifteen cents? Okay, okay, okay, actually, now it makes more sense, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, no, that's super duper cheap. Anyway, I love I can't help it, Okay.

1:54:00 Rabbit holes are my thing. It was the most opulent and luxurious theater in DC, and it was in a very high end part of town, he says, open to great fanfare on October thirteenth, nineteen seventeen. The Knickerbocker had a seating capacity of seventeen hundred. Yeah, so the. Two hundred people there. That was actually small, a small house, thank goodness. Most people didn't want to go out in the snow, I guess. Yeah, and boasted both a movie screen and a stage where a live orchestra played music to accompany the silent film of the day. Oh that's so cool. That was pretty awesome. On the night of the collapse, only about eleven of the twenty musicians showed up to the nine pm showing.

1:54:48 Yeah yeah. Just after intermission, audience members heard a loud, hissing noise that some described as the sound of sheets ripping the Knickerbocker's flat roof. Oh my god, had a flat roof. Well that's why I collapse, I know. I mean, I just thought. I just didn't think it was that obvious of a flaw. Ye No, yeah, yeah. Burdened by the heavy weight of the wet snow was starting to split down the middle. Wow. A small dust cloud started leaking from a crack in the ceiling above the stage, but went unnoticed by most attendees. The orchestra kept on playing until the unthinkable happened. And we'll talk about that right after this break. We're back to the Knickerbocker collapse. Quote. In a split second, the entire roof came down in one piece. Ambrose says, Wow, it was the worst case scenario.

1:55:57 One piece though. Yeah, oh wow. Here I'm gonna show you this is the Knickerbocker in its heyday. Wow. That beautiful. It's pretty good. I mean it's not like you know, it's not it's very of that time. It's not like trying to look super European or anything. But it's a huge theater. The Sunday Star Star described the collapse in vivid terms. Quote came a hiss, a terrific crash, the rattle and clatter of falling timber, stone, steel and plaster. A stillness, an unearthly pause followed the din then a scream, an agonized cry, a moan beneath tons of steel and masonry. Scores of men, women and children were buried. See and nowadays we read the news and it's just like, oh, they put two commas. Yeah, back then, they were really going for it.

1:57:00 Sucks because that was really that's horrible. But also that was beautiful and I wish that we could right like that again. It was engaging, and I think that that was the point, was to get people to engage with the news. Yeah. Now they just say, like, you know, this theater collapsed, but could another theater be waiting to enter your home and kill your family too. Here's how you need to vote to fix it. You know, it's just like great, you know, just sell us anger. The falling The falling roof struck the theater's balcony and knocked down chunks of the brick walls. It hit the floor so forcefully that a gust of compressed air blew out the doors and windows. Oh my god, ejecting at least two people outside and inadvertently saving their lives. Wow, they weren't kidding. This was the worst case scenario. Yeah. Other audience members were killed instantly or trapped under the rubble of concrete, twisted steel beams, bricks, and plasts. In one haunting case, rescuers found an unidentified man who'd escaped the collapse physically unscathed, protected by steel beams that buckled upward in front of an air pocket, but died of an apparent heart attack. All I've got chills.

1:58:20 I don't know about you. I've actually got like goosebumps. I don't. I'm just called Oh, well, fine, which you mean? This is spicy chill. Everybody likes it when they get spicy chill. It's true. Sorry. Future World War II General George S. Patten, then a major in the US Army, led the rescue effort. He was recovering from an allergic reaction to seafood when he was called out of bed to coordinate the complicated undertaking. That poor man, that's just the start. The initial scene was chaotic, with survivors and volunteers on the street scrambling to pull people out of the rubble. By midnight, two hundred police officers, soldiers and firefighters were on the scene.

1:59:05 By six thirty am, their numbers had ballooned to six hundred. Wow. A fleet of ambulances from Walter Reed Army Medical Center helped evacuate the injured, and every hospital in the area was filled with knickerbocker victims. Wow, I gotta be straight. I'd never heard about this before. I mean I hadn't either. Yeah, this is the kind of thing that I think I've mentioned on the show before, but like I struggle with the topics for monthly Spooky. I mean, in my opinion, the show is mostly about the spooky news. But you know, I like the idea that we have like a topic to kind of learn about or deep dive or or whatever.

1:59:47 And I love history, So learning stuff like this is one of my favorite parts of the show. It's why terrifying and true. Like get when I get too burnt out on the true crime, like the heavy, crude true crime stuff, I just leave, Like what folklore do I want to know about? And that's what becomes the topics so I can learn about it. Yeah, because I'm a nerd. Several thousand onlookers gathered near the theater to watch in horror. According to news reports, Local residents provided hot food and coffee for rescuers, and blankets and wraps for the injured. Many nearby houses and stores were converted into temporary first aid stations. The rescue effort continued into the afternoon of Sunday, January twenty ninth. That day, news of the tragedy had hit front pages around the world.

2:00:38 Wow. Among the tragedy's victims was Agnes Mellon, a clerk at the National Geographic Society, who rushed into the knickerbocker with her boyfriend James Hoffman just as the roof collapsed. She was crushed to death, but he was blown out into the lobby and survived. In an ironic turn of events, Mellen's body was identified in the morgue by her khaki knickerbockers, which were a type of baggy breeches. Another attendee, orchestra conductor, Ernesto Natiello, died instantly. His wife Mary survived with minor injuries, but his best friend's nine year old son died later that night. Wow violin player Joseph Beal was enjoying the fourth day of his honeymoon when Natiello talked him into joining the orchestra. On the night of the collapse. Beale's new bride, Margaret, opted to stay home. When she received news of her husband's death the following morning, she was inconsolable.

2:01:43 See this is why you don't ask people for favors, right Celle, Because you're like, oh God, this will be the time I'm like I really need help moving this ladder, you know, And then like they die from it. It's like, that's because I asked them to come over. Yeah. Yeah, and you'll forever feel bad about it. Yeah, that sounds right. Perhaps the most tragic Knickerbocker stories are those of its youngest victims, including Charles Lyman's seventeen year old cousin David. A star athlete. He played baseball and basketball at Western High School most Saturday's, David and his teammates stopped by the Knickerbocker after their ballgames. Man. According to David's nephew Frank, now an eighty four year old living in Bridgewater, New Jersey, Hey, his family never discussed the tragic loss. David was a leader in the community, athletic, smart, and very good looking.

2:02:37 He was the pride and joy of the family. Frank says it must have been a terrible blow. Frank's grandmother hired her brother, lawyer William D. Trenholm, to sue the Knickerbocker Theater for negligence, but none of the families of the Knickerbocker victims received constant compensation despite filing multiple lawsuits. Ah, this is a tricky one, you know, because like should the building should have been able to handle it, but it was more snow than they'd ever seen ever. Yeah, so it's hard to like gauge the fault level. I guess I'm trying to remember how many square per pound thing a roof is supposed to have, but I don't really know off the top of my head be able to support that as It's hard though, But this is the one. It's not like there was another theater whose roof collapsed, you know.

2:03:36 I mean there might have been. I don't know, I've guessed not. Yeah, I don't think so that year. So oh that year, Okay, maybe not that year yet. Yeah, what if it was like at the bottom, it's like every theater in DC's roofs collapsed. Yeah, oh yeah, Miller remembers hearing about the financial hardship the situation caused. David's father died one year after his son, m and the family initially lacked the resources to purchase tombstones for both of them. Oh wow, because the Knickerbocker met the building codes of the time. Oh, there you go. Yeah, so the Knickerbocker was built up to code. Okay, that's a tough one, because yeah, then it's like they did everything they were told they had to do to make sure it was safe, right, you know, so they would have no reason to believe it wasn't safe exactly.

2:04:28 Yeah. Yeah. The courts declined to hold any one party liable for the collapse. Still, the tragedy brought attention to potentially unsafe building codes and practices. Congress, the city, and the courts conducted an investigation that concluded the theater had faulty construction. Okay, oh well, you know, lead it to DC to say it was the construction, It wasn't the laws we friggin passed, you know. No, no, we're always good and not at all corrupt, not at all, not at all. A grand jury indicted Knickerbocker art detect Reginald W. Gear, and four others on criminal manslaughter charges. Oh wow, but they were never convicted. Both Gear and Harry crandall the owners of the Knickerbocker and a host of other local theaters later died by suicide. Shit, I'm guessing that that guilt was too much.

2:05:22 Yeah. Yeah. The Knickerbocker collapse, the investigation and the public outcry that followed led to improvements in DC building codes that helped prevent other tragedies like it. These updated regulations mandated the use of steel eyebeams and better support for roofs. At the Knickerbocker, the steel roof beams rested directly on top of the brick walls. Yeah yeah, yeah. Under the weight of the snow, says Ambrose, the beams quickly broke free from the walls. Okay, yeah. For those who are newer to the show, Michelle is a home inspector, so she knows a little bit about stuff sometimes. In September nineteen twenty three, a new venue, the Ambassador Theater, opened at the site of the raised Knickerbocker Theater. After more than four decades in operation, the Ambassador was demolished in nineteen sixty nine. A sun Trust Bank eventually rose in its place. Today, the site, located at the bustling intersection of eighteenth Street and Columbia Road Northwest, is home to a plaza. Developers hoping to construct a condo building on the lot have faced resistance from local activists who cite its importance to the community, particularly the unhoused.

2:06:40 A small historical marker, installed across the street from the square in two thousand and six is the only visible commemoration of the Knickerbocker tragedy in Adams Morgan. Interestingly, the history section of a web page dedicated to the Plaza mentions the Ambassador Theater, but omits the Knickerbocker. Wow, this is a photo of them removing a body. Great, let me see them. You can't see the body. It's yeah, But man, I can't believe this has been kind of whitewashed. Yeah. Josh Gibson, founder of the Adams Morgan Partnership Business Improvement District, points out that the Knickerbocker story quote was the banner headline in The New York Times on January twenty ninth, nineteen twenty two. The co author of the two thousand and six book Adams Morgan Then and Now, he says, quote, it definitely got nationwide attention, but it's sort of slipped in modern memory. It's not George Washington's slept here kind of stuff. But it doesn't make it any less fascinating or any less important to learn the backstory. Wow, Yeah, that's nuts. So anyway, I found that. I don't know if everybody else got because we weren't as there weren't as many jokes to crack. But boy, I find stuff like that fascinat Yeah, so that's the Knickerbocker Winter Winter Blizzard tragedy. Wow. Well, we're going to take a quick

2:08:11 break and then we're going to talk about horror media we've consumed screek creepy things on Reddit, and wrap up the show and head into February and hopefully stay warm while we do it. Right after this, all right, we're back wrapping up this very snowy January episode of Monthly Spooky, and Shell hurt herself Right as I was saying that, what did you do? I just poked myself in a way that hurt. Do you poke yourself aways that don't hurt a lot? Or what? Yeah? Like this on poking my leg and it feels fine.

2:08:52 Okay, I stand corrected. Yeah, you win this round. So one of the things I love about doing this show is when I do the little horror media round up, I always realize. I like it helps me realize, like, wow, I watched a lot of horror movies in the theater or you know, hey, there weren't that many and I didn't realize I saw three horror movies in the theater last month. Oh it's a lot. I mean, I think that's a decent amount, especially it's not Halloween or anything. You know, what are you gonna say? No, I don't think I was gonna say anything. Actually even better. Yeah, But the first one I saw was, of all things, the Ana Konda remake reboots, which wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. It just literally felt like they had two different movies and they did not mesh at all.

2:09:47 Wow. They had one movie about these friends who are all older now and have responsibilities, but they were at their happiest when they were young making little movies together. So they go out to make their own Anna Conda movie and that has a lot of cute stuff and like great sentimental energy. Yeah. Then the other thing is like this giant snake thing that that's like, you know, scary, and it's gonna kill everybody. So they have this comedy movie that's really sentimental, and then the action snake movie thing. They never meshed. They just clashed the whole time. So the best way I would describe the New Anaconda is a very fun mess. Okay, it is a mess, but it is fun. Like there was a lot to laugh at, a lot of weird moments and funny moments, some good scares and creepy moments too good. So I liked it. I did, But yeah, it was it was a mess. It was a fun, fun mess. Then I saw a movie I was very excited about from the moment the trailer came out, which is Primate. Have you heard about that one? I don't think So it's a slasher movie where a chimpanzee gets rabies.

2:10:55 Oh damn, yeah, yeah, I don't want that at all. Yeah, there was. There was one part where it was so mad because somebody was trying to shove the ape off of something or the chimp off of something, and he tried to like shove the ape and it grabs him, and I was like, dude, you should have just threw water on it. It has rabies. And they'd figured out, well, they didn't figure out it had rabies. They somebody said, can chimps get rabies? But so, you know, because it gets rabies from another animal. It's not that they're totally idiotic chimp owners there. They live in Hawaii and technically there is no rabies on the island of Hawaii. Okay, so they never really explain how a rabies infested weasel or something gets gets into its cage. But that's what happens, so they would not be worried about rabies, you know, and on the island of Hawaii. So but I don't consider this a spoiler because it happens immediately. But yes, if you're like, I don't know if I want to see the chimpanzee horror movie because I feel like they won't deliver what I'm hoping for. A gets ripped off in the first two minutes.

2:12:02 Good, I get so. Chimpanzees are strong and terrifying, so I thought it was really fun. It had some good scares. It was a silly slasher horror movie thing with a killer chimpanzee. They used like the absolute minimal cgi they could. They used a animatronic ape and a chimp and a chimp small person in a chimp costume. Cool, and I'll be honest, my first thought when it started was I was like, wow, I thought the chimp would look better. But it didn't look like a sci fi original movie or some like Sharknado thing. It looked more like what you'd expect from like the eighties or nineties. Okay, so it didn't look terrible by any stretch. It just you expect the monkey to look kind of fake, because not all Killer eight movies can be Shakma where they had a baboon and the baboon was literally so dangerous people kept getting hurt.

2:13:01 I don't know how you make a low budget movie with a dangerous baboon, but anyway, primate a lot of fun. If you like slasher movies, it's worth your time. And then I saw a movie just recently that blew me away, and it was twenty eight years later, The Bone Temple. Oh right, it was a second twenty eight years later movie. Was I thought it would be fine. It was great good. I really liked twenty eight years later. But the Bone Temple I liked a ton like it was. Really it was a simpler story, but it was still very emotional and interesting and captivating, lots of action, lots of great performances. I really liked it. I'm really sad because it's bombing at the box office because they teased a part three that is like what twenty eight days later fans have always wanted. Oh and supposedly part three has already been greenlit.

2:13:56 But Part one didn't break even or barely broke even part two is not going to break even, so I wouldn't be shocked if Sony backs out. Oh no, but I hope they don't because I really want one more twenty eight years later sequel. But it was really really good that one. I cannot recommend enough. You go out and see it if you love horror movies. Maybe not during the heavy snow, just to be safe, you know, or at least look at the theater ceiling first or the roof first. Yeah, but man, so that was really awesome. Good, good month for horror movies in January. Good. So, but Chelle, do you have any spooky stuff from.

2:14:37 I do have one thing that I thought was a little weird. I actually think will think it's a little bit less weird than most people will. Okay, but so I'll. Try to, you know, get this right offhand. So there's this dude or person and they're they're in a oh I think they're in a bar with a bunch of their friends, and they have a seat open next to them that is for their sister who hasn't gotten there yet. And this guy comes over and says, hey, can I can I take this chair? Or are you guys using it? And the poster says, oh, yeah, no, we're keeping it. And he looks up and he realizes that he knows this guy, and he's like, oh, hey Patrick, and Patrick is like, oh, hey, person, I whatever your name is.

2:15:24 And so Patrick sits down with the with the poster and they just chat about like what's been going on in their life and shitt and stuff for a little while then and stuff, shitt and stuff for a while. Yeah. Yeah. So then the poster's sister comes in and he's like, hey, this is Patrick. I can't believe we ran into each other. And the sister's like, cool, how did you guys meet? And they both look at each other and they're like, I don't know where I met them. And they realized they have no idea how they could have met before. They're both from different cities. Patrick is only there to visit his friends and he doesn't know and the poster doesn't know any of his friends. They like go on Facebook.

2:16:04 This is in twenty nineteen. They like go on Facebook and they're like trying to see if they have any mutuals or anything, and they like can't find any, and they don't. They're just like what the fuck? And so the poster like, I guess diyes their hair a lot and was like, what color was my hair when you saw me last? And Patrick says, I, I don't have any memories of you at all, and he realizes he doesn't have any memories of Patrick. So they have no idea what happened except that like when the guy walked up, he knew he was Patrick, and he like was really excited to see him. So yeah, he never figured it out. I usually have some theories or ideas, but that one's kind of leaving me kind of gobsbacked, to be honest.

2:16:47 Yeah, I mean the only thing I could think of is that he knows a Patrick and he just like got it confused for a second. And this and this kid just happened to be Patrick and like he said the right name, so they like kind of just ended up talking and then realizing that they didn't even really know each other. But I don't know, I. Think I've actually had something like that happen. Actually, yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes. You see somebody and you know you know them, but you cannot place where. Yeah, I mean I've had that happened to me a ton, But I'm not super good with faces or names. So if someone came up to me and was like, I know you, I would be like sure, but then I wouldn't know where I knew them from.

2:17:28 Yeah, I can. I'm really good with faces, but it doesn't always snap instantly. But like I will, I will see an actor in a movie, and occasionally, like my I'll just see like a flash of like them in an outfit or something, you know, okay, and then I could just like dig and dig and then eventually be like, oh my god, they were in that movie I saw four years ago, you know, like yeah, not always, but sometimes so I don't know. I think mistaken identity is probably it. Yeah, And you know, I mean, like as much as we're all beautiful, wonderful snow flakes who were each as precious as the last, we don't all look that different from each other. And a lot of people have common names. So it's totally possible that like this could be one of the rare instances where two different people think somebody else is somebody else kind of like they don't quite know, yeah.

2:18:18 And by the time I'm sure they talk to each other, like then then it's like, well then who would he? I even have thought this was because or. Both of them are too embarrassed to admit they don't remember how they met, so they both just go with it like they never met at all. Yeah, and they're both like, yeah, yeah, because I've I've been guilty somebody. Really, I usually remember people though. I don't so I usually yeah, sure at that show until they say, like at the show where everybody died, and I'm like, kind of don't feel like I was at that show because I didn't die. I mean I met the royal everybody, not the everybody. That one's pretty creepy. I like that. That's creepy. That one's scarier than it is creepy. You know why why Because it's either some terrifying glitchen the matrix are like mind's breaking, or it's awkward social interactions, so exactly terrifying.

2:19:12 So well done, Shell, well done. Thanks Well, it's time for us to wrap up this month's monthly spooky Hope everybody is staying warm and safe and comfortable chill. I hope you weather the storm very well. I will be keeping in touch with you to see who gets the most snow. Ye, I'm kind of excited about the snow part as long as things don't go haywire. But you guys might get ice, so I hope you keep your power. Me too. Do you have a plan for if your power goes out? Be cold? I guess turn my water off. That's it. Yeah. I mean, like, are you not going to like gather gigs so you can, like, you know, huddle up and share heat. I mean I would, but she would come to me because she'd be cold.

2:19:54 So it's like, yeah, well, I hope it doesn't come to that. Thanks. If it does, I'm only six hundred and twenty mile drive away, great in the snow, in the snow and ice. Yeah, and that's you know, just just nine hours of driving. So yeah, but thank you all for joining us on Monthly Spooky. We do appreciate it. You're always welcome to email us at Weeklyspooky at gmail dot com and beyond that. I'll see you guys back here tomorrow for this week in horror history. So until next month, chill. The final word is yours, So like, do you.

2:20:34 Want me to say yours. For I'm so mad at you? That was the joke I was going to go for, and you friget. Sorry, we'll talk about