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Monthly Spooky | Haunted Castles & Stolen Corpses

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends

Haunted castles, ghost stories, eerie history, and true crime weirdness—this month’s Monthly Spooky with Henrique & Michelle goes full winter-night mode with paranormal legends, unsettling discoveries, and a real-life disaster shaped by brutal weather.
Inside this episode:

- Chillingham Castle (UK): infamous haunting claims, grim history, and why it’s often called one of the most haunted places around.
- Chillingham cattle: the strange, preserved lineage tied to the castle’s eerie reputation.
- Mummified cheetahs in Saudi Arabia: an unsettling preservation story that feels like a nature-horror headline.
- The Knickerbocker Theater collapse (1922): a snowstorm-fueled tragedy, the chaos of the night, and what changed afterward.
- January horror movie roundup: what worked, what didn’t, and how modern horror “hits” (or misses) in 2026 vibes.

Plus fresh spooky news:

- Haunted-castle headlines and why “history + tourism” is the perfect ghost-story engine.
- Cemetery corpse heist and the human bone market rabbit hole (because of course that’s a thing).
- A holiday-season detour into haunted dolls—and the rules people swear by when they keep them in the house.

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Haunted castles, one hundred stolen corpses, Saudi Arabia's new kind

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of mummies, and a theater collapsed by massive snowfall.

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Get comfortable turning off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky.

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Hello and welcome back. Yes, indeed, it's that time of

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the month. It's time for Monthly Spooky. Are wrapping up

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the month talk show, news show. You know, you'd think

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after two years of doing it or whatever, that I'd

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have like a better grasp on how to describe what

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we're doing.

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It's just it just doesn't. It fails description.

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The voice you're hearing is my good buddy and co

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host Michelle. Michelle, how are you?

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I mean that seems like a loaded question.

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So we are recording this it releases on Monday. Of course,

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we're recording this before this monumental winter storm that's happening.

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So we're as we're recording this, like the snow is

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going to start falling in like four or five hours

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max where I am and then eventually get to you.

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I'm guessing overnight, Yeah, overnight where we're supposed to start

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technically in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

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So yeah, I mean that's when we're expecting it to

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be serious. Although now all of a sudden they're saying

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that tonight we're gonna get like we could get one

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or three to three to five inches, and I was like, uh,

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but that's a lot considering the next day they're saying

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eight to ten, So I don't know what's going on.

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Yeah, they're doing that here too, one to three overnight

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and then eight to twelve the next day.

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Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're lucky. You know, I'm in

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scenic Dayton, Ohio, and you're outside of Philadelphia, so I'm

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not getting it doesn't look like I'm gonna get much ice.

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It looks like you're gonna get a little bit of ice. Yeah,

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because ice storms, there's no that's not you know, they're dangerous.

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So yeah, it's funny too. I've talked about ice storms

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the few people because of all this, and they're always like,

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you know, well, luckily I don't have to go anywhere,

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and I'm like, no, ice storms are dangerous because they

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knock power out, not be I mean, the roads suck too,

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but like, yeah, they can't salt the power lines, they

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can't tell because the squirrels already want to chew on them.

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You can't make it more appealing.

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No, I'm now I'm thinking why could could you? Could

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you brind them? Would that them?

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Would that be dangerous or no?

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I mean I mean the act of brining them would

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be dangerous if you if they were still plugged in?

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Why oh, because you die?

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Yeah? Why? Well, because salted water literally conducts electricity.

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How would so I guess we'd have to turn off

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the whole power grid and then brian them and then

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be fine.

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like no, no, like no parsing it out or anything.

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but it just dumps down on them.

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Like cooking spaghetti. Yeah. But I hope that if you're

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listening to this wherever you are, you're warm and safe.

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We don't know what's at this time, how this, how

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bad this is even going to be. We just know

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it's it's pretty historic. I mean, the storm is gonna

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end up being what I think I read it was

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gonna be almost two thousand miles wide.

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I mean, I didn't hear how wide it's going to be. Yeah,

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but it's huge.

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nerdery and I have a YouTube channel called Ryan Hall

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y'all that I watch, which I really recommend. He's a

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guy from Kentucky, a meteorologist, and he does independent meteorology

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and he covers wherever severe weather is. That's what he

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talks about all over America. So he so when I

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watch him tell us, like what's going on with the storm,

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I hear the whole country. Yeah, So I hear him

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say stuff like, you know, this storm is spanning this

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far apart, you know, and it's a it's pretty big.

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I think he said that he's never seen one in

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his lifetime that that that big of a front.

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So because it literally goes from like from Texas to Boston.

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So that's nuts.

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Yeah, it really is.

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That being said, assuming knock on wood, all things are

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okay in my home front. I have a cozy time

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planned because I believe when there's a big snow, even

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though I don't anywhere to work right now, I just

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work at home, I still like kind of pretend that

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I'm stuck because I need desperately excuses to stop working.

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It was just like in passing about religion and I

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mentioned I was like, dude, the only thing that's tempted

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to be about religion is the Sabbath, like like being

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like sorry, I literally can't work or God will smote me.

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I can't, I can't, I can't. I literally can't help it.

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There's nothing I can do. That's the that's the biggest

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depeal of religion to me, is like having a guilt

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free break. So but uh, but no, So I have

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movies picked out, I have a full menu of comforting

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wintry food to prepare. One of my favorite things to

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do during big snow storms is cook. I think, well,

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I love to cook anyway, but like there's something about,

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you know, when you look outside and it's snowing and

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then you make like scrambled eggs and like flapjacks, that

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just feels awesome. I don't know, it feels good to me,

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you know.

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I guess that makes sense. Yeah, So, I.

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thing that keeps you cozy?

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You gotta understand, I don't even know what I can

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eat anymore. So I don't have favorite any.

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You have a better idea than ever before.

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Yeah, yeah, I do, but I'm still not really sure.

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No, I mean the good news is then in the

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standard American diet, most things don't have enough fiber.

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It's true, it's true, but.

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It is tough, especially since you're vegetarian. Yeah, A lot

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of the food you that you would that you've grown

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to like eating, right being a vegetarian, is high fiber exactly. Yeah,

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So you gotta eat like a lot of white rice

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and stuff, which is great because it's all the opposite

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of like what I'm being told. I'm like, you gotta

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eat the brown rice, you gotta eat the fiber, you

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gotta eat the cruciferous vega, and some some quack talking

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to you is just like you need white rice and cheese.

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Like how both doctors are just like an angry They're

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just like an angry New Yorker for some reason. You

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can't have cheese.

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I can have cheese. I'm technically not supposed to have

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a lot of fat either, But it's like it's like

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the weirdest carbs pretty much just carbs, and.

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Luckily you're skinny, so I mean, like carbs won't hurt

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you know, I mean.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. But like also, like

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like vegetables that are like squishy, squishy vegetables.

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Are supposed to avoid them or eat them.

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No, those are okay, okay, good, Like I can eat

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a carrot if it gets you know, if you cook

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it and stuff.

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Oh oh so so as long as the fiber's been softened.

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Oh okay, But not like vegetables that have skins because

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they they're you know, so not like a pepper.

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What if you take the skin off, that's fine, Oh okay,

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I mean because a lot of times when I roast

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red peppers and stuff, you take the skin off or

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it's optional.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's different though, like if you make a

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stirfry then it's annoying as hell to get the skin

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off of pepper. So yeah, I concur Yeah, and also

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like chrysipherus vegetables.

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Now yeah, that'd be a big note.

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I feel like you could just text me and be like, hey,

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are you supposed to be eating this food? And if

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I say yes, then don't.

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Eat it exactly exactly.

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It's all high fiber, low calorie. So yeah. Chell's been

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dealing with some digestive issues and trying to get it

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all sorted out and it looks like it's just that

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you're a slow digest. Yeah.

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Sure, that's what it boils down to.

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I mean, yeah, I'm oversimplifying it because we're not gonna,

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you know, talk about it the whole show. But unless

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you want to actually you know what, you're right, shell,

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let's talk just about your medical stuff.

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Well, I do, like have I did like write a

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whole presentation so we could discuss it.

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Is that? Why you why? I saw the PowerPoint flash

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up for a second and then it went away, just

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prepping that.

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That was actually for something else. But I did make

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a power point for this too.

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Oh cool? Yeah you had the power points this year?

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Is that? Yeah, it's only twenty six. Thing is power points?

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It is? It is? I didn't. I had to like

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buy like Microsoft Office just so I could use.

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Power Yeah, I see, you're trying to explain your stomach issues.

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Can I help?

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Yeah?

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Clippy, there's a Clippy joke in the New Naked Gun

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movie that came out last year. Really, he's stuck in

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a smart car and he's like about to like it's

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gonna kill him, and then like Clippy pops up and says,

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like I see you're trying to Can I help it

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saves his life? Yay, it's clippy clippy stand up. I

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loved the New Naked Gun, but the big problem with

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it was that I would be like, man, that joke's

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so funny, and they're like, man, my back hurts because

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they were all jokes about like things that happened in

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two thousand and two and two thousand and three. So

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I'm just like, that's so funny. I should check out.

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You got to make sure I don't have sciatica getting

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her getting up there. But uh, but my menu for

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this weekend is, well, tonight's pizza, which Rachel's making because

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she likes to make pizza. Well, she likes to make

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red sauce. And I was the person who was like,

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stop only making pasta. I was one of those like,

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please make pizza, Please make lasagna, because her red sauce

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is so well, you know what I mean, like as

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opposed to like a sauce pasta. It's like I'm just

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saying because her red sauce is super super good, So

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I'm just like, please do other things with it, because

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I would love a pizza that tastes like this, and

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I'd love a lasagna that tastes like this. So she's

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gotten really into making pizzas good. So she's gonna make

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a pizza tonight. We're gonna have anchovies because it's just

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us and we can put all the fish on the

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pizza you can. And I all those Portuguese anchovies my

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mom got me, so I'm thinking I might use one

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of those. I need to check. I know it's lame,

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but like my mom went to the trouble of buying

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me all this cool Portuguese food, So I don't want

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to like take some anchovies and then not google it

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and find out like these are not the kind you'd

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want to put on pizza, Like these are specifically like

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much better for like you know, making pasta sauce or

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for eating on crackers. I just don't want to like

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waste them because they're expensive and imported.

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Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I think they'd be good

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on anything, And I think the fish would be just

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as sad to be on anything as to be on

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the other.

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If you were a fish, wouldn't you be like a

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little happy if you were on a pizza instead of like, yeah,

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the sec okay. But then to wrap up the menu, talk.

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So then Sunday, I'm gonna make eggs and bacon and

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fried biscuits for breakfast for lunch, and then I'm making

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beef stew for dinner because stew is like the best

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in a cold weather situation. Yeah, so I'm gonna make

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a big vat of beef stew. And then Monday, when

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the snow's all over, when this is airing, we're having

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I'm making roasted red pepper and tomato soup and grilled cheese. Yay,

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That's what I expression in my mind. So but with that

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all said, yeah, it'll be fun. And then I have

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a stack of movies that I want to watch and

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rewatch like a simple plan, all snow movies because I'm

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a nightmare and and I don't know why, I always

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want full immersion. I never want to escape. I'm very weird.

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So I want to watch a simple plan. I want

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to watch the new Dead of Winter movie that you

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can rent. I've heard it's very, very good and I've

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got like five or in Storm of the Century mini

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series Stephen King mini series, so uh so much. But

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I know you, you're just like, I don't care ba

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ba humbug to your blizzard fun.

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Yeah yeah, no, I really really like snow. But what

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I like about snow is I get to shovel it.

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So that's all. So what's happening anyway?

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You like shoveling snow.

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I do like shoveling snow a lot, except I probably

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won't like this snow because it's gonna have a layer

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of ice on it. But maybe I could make like

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a path underneath but the ice on top. I was

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thinking about that we crawl under here.

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Yeah, that's the spirit.

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So I'm excited.

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Well, good, it's good to hear you're excited. Well, we're

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gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

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we're gonna dive in to the spooky news. And I

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almost forgot to mention. Our topic for tonight is kind

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of interesting. Uh. I'm trying to think of how to

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describe it, but it's basically the story of when a

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winter storm caused one of the deadliest disasters in Washington,

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d C. History. Wow, So we'll dive into that later

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on in the show. But when we return Spooky News,

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but not just yet, we'll be right back. We are back,

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and it's time. Shell. It's the new year. I think

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you should start the new year bye bye by tagging

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this segment so you take it on.

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I I don't, I don't know if that's a good idea.

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Why not?

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It sets a very weird expectation.

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That you'll say, like three words, yeah, you're really really

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just gonna stand. You're gonna die on this hill?

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I mean, I don't know. I mean it seems like

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it's good a hill as any to die.

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I mean, if you got to die on a hill,

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I mean, I might as well be this hill. It's

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not a bad hill. It's not a bad hill.

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Fine, something like the Spooky News thing.

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The Spooky News.

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Wow, it worked, so I guess I guess you. Uh. Well,

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we're starting our Winter Wonderland episode of Monthly Spooky by

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heading to our old standby mirror dot co dot u

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k okay and the headline reads magical in quotes village

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is home to quote most haunted castle in the United Kingdom.

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Wow.

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I feel like they should put every other word, every

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word in quotes just magical village is. Oh, it's a

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very pretty castle though.

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That's nice.

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You're like, finally a pretty castle.

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Look, all castles are pretty.

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Is this castle particularly pretty to you? Though?

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Whoops? Right, baby, I don't know. I can't.

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Oh, I'm so sorry. Well that's on me. That's on me.

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I did not set this up the way I thought

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I did. It's I'm a bad person. It's fine. It's

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a pretty castle. That was funny. I was wondering. I

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was like, why isn't she saying? I started to wonder

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if you like had some really mean words for this castle.

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No, I don't say bad things about Archett your places.

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Wow, I mean unless you just want to talk about

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awful of houses or something like you did yesterday.

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Okay, fine, I did say mean things about that house.

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That was really mean. You were just like this, what

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does this look this way?

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Yeah, that chimney is real bad. I don't I still like,

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though I don't understand, like I don't get it.

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I understand. I mean I understand that you don't understand.

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Okay.

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Uh nesseled amidst the expansive fields of Northumberland countryside lies

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a charming little village with a fascinating history and a

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storybook castle. Whoa, this is where all ghost stories should

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come from. It's called Chillingham.

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Aw.

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I mean, if ever there was a place where the

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ghost stories would come from, it would be Chillingham.

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You think so.

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Chillingham has carved out a reputation for itself due to

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two unique features. It's historic castles and its distinctive cattle

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like horses to horses sell like cows. A little bit

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of a city.

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Boy there, what do they? What makes them distinctive? Though?

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But I guess no, I don't even know how you

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what what makes any cattle distinctive? Let alone these cattle.

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They might have different patterns, There might be different colors,

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They might have different types of milk. I don't know.

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Is this where the chocolate milk comes from?

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Yeah?

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Where the chocolate milk from?

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When you were a kid, did you ever hear the

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the urban legend that chocolate milk was actually the disgusting

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milk that couldn't be used as regular milk?

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No? Actually I never heard that.

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Really, there was an urban legend or myth or whatever

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that people would pass around at the school at the

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lunch table and stuff that chocolate milk was milk that

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was rejected to be regular milk because it had too

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much like discoloration and blood in it, so then they

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would use it for the stuff that they would color

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with chocolate. You know, okay, so you wouldn't be able

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to tell. And for years I knew people who thought

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that was that was.

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True to be fair, like, I could see that, yeah,

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you know, because it is really dark and that would

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make sense to cover up like imperfections. Sure, not that

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that happens, but still, yeah.

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It makes me think of the Simpsons. When Mo shows

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up to a party, he's like, thanks for inviting me, Marge,

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I brought this bag of irregular oreos. And then when

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everybody's leaving, he looks and he's like, this one looks fine,

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and he bites and goes, Oh, but let's see if

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we can find out what makes these cattle distinctive. And

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I'm glad I only drink you Who and not chocolate milk.

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You know what's funny is you'd think I don't like sweet,

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like super sweet stuff anymore as much as I used to,

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But I still like you Who more than chocolate milk. Interesting,

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I also don't like chocolate or I also don't like

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milk that much.

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I don't like milk at all.

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I like almond milk, you know, like with a cookie

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or with cereal or what have you. I as part

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of my winter survival kit, I bought a big thing

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of double stuff Oreos and a bottle of almond milk.

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That's nice.

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It's you gotta be safe, you know in this stuff.

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I do love that. I'm like stalking up like crazy,

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as if I couldn't walk to a grocery store if

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I needed to, I mean it would be it's it's

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a mile, but it's but it's like not a long

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or not a hard mile. It's a mile with sidewalk.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I mean my grocery store is like

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a third of a mile maybe less than that from it.

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I know. So yeah, I really close.

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Yeah, I can literally walk to my grocery store mine.

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Mine is honestly about twice as far as or so.

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It might not even be a full mile, Okay, it's

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probably more like point eight miles or point nine miles.

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And I have two grocerri stores because I have a

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Mire and a Kroger across the street from each other.

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So if one of them's out of everything. You can

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go to the other one.

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And they can also be out of all of this.

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Yeah.

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I still I can't believe that that's lasted, because like

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it's been I think I read it's been that for

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forty five years that there's been a Meyer and a

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Kroger across the street from each other there.

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Wow.

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So I guess it just there's just the right amount

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of population, hm, because the Kroger just expanded a couple

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of years back in the Myers getting ready to do

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that now too.

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Well, they got to keep up with each other.

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Well yeah, and the Walmart that's like a mile and

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a half down the road. So but anyway, let's let's

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talk about this cattle. Okay, why you distracted me. The

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village boasts what is believed to be the UK's most

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haunted castle, Chillingham Castle. A little on the nose, but

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it's Chillingham. I wonder if that's how you say it,

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how they say it over there, if they have some other,

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like some British pronunciation that I'm not thinking of, like

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Scott scott Castle. Wait, that doesn't make any sense. It's

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spelled chillihim Ah. It does make the kings I, which

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traces its roots back to the twelfth century, as it

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was fully FOURTIF in thirteen forty four.

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Wow.

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The renowned estate has remained within the same family lineage

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since its inception and continues to be private property. Okay,

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I gotta call bunk not on the family being the

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same lineage. No, I gotta call bunk on if this

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is the most haunted castle in all of the UK,

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how is the family fine alive and still there.

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Well, you're not. You're not taking this the right way.

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Just because it's haunted doesn't mean they're bad ghosts. Maybe

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it's there because it's their family members. Obviously we don't

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know who's haunting it, but probably I mean probably or

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some just it sounds like it would be drifters, but

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like maybe they just like hang out with them and stuff.

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I'm just saying, like usually when you hear about these

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haunted estates, there's like tragedies and like the family that

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found it they're all dead now.

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Well they are all dead now.

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Not all of them, because there's still people who own it.

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I'm saying, like of the lineage, you know, Okay, yeah,

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because I'm just saying like I always hear these stories

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about like haunted estates is like this super wealthy family

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in nineteen ten, you know, all their kids died and

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then the mom went you know mad and got committed

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and died in an asylum. And then the guy got

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you know, syphilis in his eyes and exploded, and you're like, WHOA, no,

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wonder the place is haunted. Yeah, but with this, it's like,

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this place is so haunted. My entire family going back

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to like the thirteen hundreds has lived here. It's like, wow,

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sounds like it's been really rough living there.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm just I you.

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Know, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I'm right,

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although I always feel like I'm right, which is probably

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a problem the renowned estate has. Oh sorry I read

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that part. For those daring enough to venture inside, the

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torture Chamber and nocturnal ghost tours are bound to leave

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you with some hair raising memories. Wait, there's a torture chamber.

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See, so it's not like there wasn't horrible thing that

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happened there.

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The monsters.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

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They still own it. Yeah, because that's a wonderful story. Yeah,

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was like their family were sadistic murderers and now they're

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just rich people with a castle. Yeah, it's oh good.

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That's the part I didn't want to find out.

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Yeah, and they just hear the screams of the people

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they killed all the time.

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It just helps them sleep at night. Yeah, they're like, ah,

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that's why this bed is so comfy, is because of

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all those deaths.

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Yeah.

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Oh wow. It's thought to have had over one hundred

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spirits spotted within its grounds. Wow, a testament to its

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rich history. Documented paranormal activity includes hearing strange voices, footsteps,

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and even sightings of moving objects, so much so that

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keen ghost hunters and paranormal enthusiasts choose to spend the

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night or conduct their own ghost hunting within the castle.

466
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.759
Yeah they do that.

467
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:04.559
I mean it would be it would be weird if

468
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.400
they're like, we're gonna ghost hunt like fifteen miles away

469
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.599
from the castle. That's how so haunted. Yeah, it's so

470
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.920
damn haunted. You don't understand. It's maggotty with ghosts. They're

471
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:20.119
all from Boston. Yeah, all the ghosts in the UK.

472
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.240
We have from New England. Pal, we're gonna take a

473
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.039
quick break and we'll get back. We're going to try

474
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.400
and figure out what the hell is going on with

475
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.359
Chillingham Castle, where all these ghosts came from, and more importantly,

476
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.799
what's up with the cattle. Yeah yeah, which, by the way,

477
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.000
thanks a lot. This is like impossible to read out

478
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.319
loud back to back the Chillingham Castle and cattle. Thanks,

479
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.079
that's not confusing. But we'll get to that when we return.

480
00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.960
Don't worry, Chelle, We're going to get to the bar

481
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.200
bottom of the Chillingham Castle cattle.

482
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.960
I don't think they're going to tell us actually.

483
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:09.480
Knowing Mirror dot code dot UK and the fact that

484
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:14.200
I've had multiple English listeners write in and say the

485
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.039
Mirror dot code at UK is horrible makes me think

486
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.480
you might be right. Damn. While it is free to

487
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.079
explore the grounds, Chillingham Castle provides travelers with the opportunity

488
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:31.599
to stay in an authentic medieval fortress. They spell medieval weird.

489
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:38.400
They do media evil, media evil medieval. That might be

490
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:44.720
better than how we spelled it's it's often it's offer offers.

491
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.119
It offers a selection of courtyard apartments, a stay in

492
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.599
the tower, and even a night in the old coaching rooms.

493
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:59.759
Oh thank you for that. Recent guests have raved about

494
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:08.359
their visits on trip Advisor. Read about us on trip advisor.

495
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:10.359
Uh.

496
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:16.119
One visitor wrote quote, our stay at Chillingham Castle was

497
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:22.640
absolutely incredible from start to finish. What were you gonna say, Chillingam?

498
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:29.440
The castle itself is breathtaking, steeped in history and beautifully preserved.

499
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.400
And the ghost tour was a genuine highlight engaging at

500
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.000
miss it says highlight, dash engaging, highlight.

501
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.839
The eager engaging.

502
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:47.160
I guess highlight engaging comma, atmospheric comma and wonderfully done. Okay,

503
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.839
okay fine. Another guest added quote, we stayed at the

504
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.880
castle for two nights in the dairy apartment. Whish it

505
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.400
was to think it was just made of cheese. Yeah,

506
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.240
as we were doing a paranormal investigation on the friday.

507
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.319
The castle is magnificent. The staff are super friendly and

508
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.559
couldn't do enough for us. It was like stepping back

509
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.359
in time. Oh that sounds horrible because there was torture there.

510
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:14.720
Yeah, what are you talking about?

511
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.079
Although the spirits weren't interacting as much as we'd like,

512
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.799
the energy and atmosphere was certainly haunting.

513
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:24.039
Ah.

514
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.519
Well, what do you think of this so far?

515
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.039
Well? I mean i'd like to not be an ad

516
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.039
for going to this castle. But besides, yeah, yeah.

517
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:45.440
That's miridak kodak uk in a in a nutshell. Oh

518
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.799
so I just saw the wild cattle. Oh they are

519
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:54.079
furry and have big horns that go up a little

520
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:55.880
and they have black noses in white fur.

521
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:01.200
Oh they're white cattles. Okay, so I.

522
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:07.319
Guess that's part of it. Yeah. Alongside Chillingham Castle stands

523
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:13.119
the equally renowned Chillingham Cattle, a wild herd that has

524
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:18.960
roamed the village following centuries of strict inbreeding. I have

525
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.519
so many mean jokes about the uk I could say

526
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.400
at once from that. I'm just not gonna say any

527
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.119
of them. It's like the three stooges, but they're all

528
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.960
trying to get through the doorway at the same time.

529
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.720
The herd originated when approximately ninety animals were enclosed during

530
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:39.599
the Middle Ages and have continued breeding within these grounds

531
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:44.519
ever since. Yep's what's the yep?

532
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:46.480
That just sounds not great?

533
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.839
But sure, okay fine. As of twenty twenty two, the

534
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.799
herd is believed to comprise one hundred and thirty eight animals,

535
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:59.640
split evenly between males and females. What makes them extraordinary

536
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:05.759
is their completely untouched nature, left to breed, live and

537
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:11.240
die in their natural habitat without human intervention, rendering them

538
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.480
exceptionally rare.

539
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.359
Okay, I mean if I go there and if I

540
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.599
touch one of them, does that ruin everything?

541
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:19.880
You ruined it? They have to just kill them all

542
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:20.400
and start over.

543
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:27.200
Okay, just wanted to be sure, as you're like buying

544
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.000
a plane ticket and gently stroking your passport.

545
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:38.839
Thanks to the idea mirror dot co dot uk uh,

546
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.599
the animals are widely regarded as a scientific marvel, since

547
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.359
inbreeding throughout history typically leads to extinction. Again too many

548
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.119
UK jokes, Yet they continue to thrive in the very

549
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.920
same grounds of Chillingham Park.

550
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:01.240
Maybe they're ghosts, ghost cattle. Yeah, they're white, right, so

551
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.480
maybe they're ghosts.

552
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:08.039
The haunted cattle by the haunted castle. Yeah, shells, seashells

553
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:08.960
down by the seashore.

554
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.440
Pretty much.

555
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:16.039
What sets them apart is their behavior, as it's entirely natural,

556
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.599
providing us with additional insight into the lives of animals

557
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.799
that may have preceded them. We can also gain knowledge

558
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:30.200
about the spontaneous behaviors of animals not influenced by humans. Yeah,

559
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.000
that's just where it ends. Okay, that I mean in

560
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.839
Mirra Dakkoda Uka's defense, that wasn't even a good commercial. No, like,

561
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.119
it barely told us anything about it it is, I

562
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.319
mean it did, but it didn't.

563
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.480
Like, I still don't know what happened in the castle

564
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:47.000
that would make it that haunted.

565
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.720
No, they never explained a single thing about it.

566
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.160
Yeah, but I know I can't.

567
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.759
That's kind of bummer. Yeah, you can't cause all the

568
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:58.920
cows to die. Yeah, I need to know why it's haunted.

569
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.160
Let's uh. Lady Berkeley was abandoned at the castle with

570
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.960
only her baby daughter for company. The rustle of her

571
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.920
dress is sometimes heard as her invisible revenant sweeps along

572
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.200
the rambling corridors, searching for her husband and leaving a

573
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.720
cold chill, not to mention unsettled witnesses in her ghostly wake.

574
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.799
Okay, that's something.

575
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:28.480
That's from a great dashcastles dot com. Hmmm, so wow.

576
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.880
I mean they couldn't even give us that. They were

577
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:32.599
just like, eh, you don't need any of it. I

578
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.319
mean there's a Wikipedia page for it.

579
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:35.519
Yeah.

580
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.119
Oh, it was originally a see you're not code at UK.

581
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.599
The castle was originally a monastery in the late twelfth century. Okay,

582
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.839
in twelve ninety eight, King Edward the First stayed at

583
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.559
the castle on his way to Scotland to battle a

584
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.839
Scottish army led by William Wallace. A glazed window and

585
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.799
a frame was specially installed for the king, a rarity

586
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.920
in such buildings at the time. The castle was occupied

587
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.359
as a strategically important location in mid Evil times. It

588
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.440
was located on the border between two feuding nations. It

589
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.480
was used as a staging post for the English armies

590
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.880
entering Scotland, but was also repeatedly attacked and besieged by

591
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.000
Scottish armies and raiding parties heading south. The site contained

592
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.200
a moat and in some locations the fortifications were twelve

593
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:26.200
feet thick. Wow that's really thick. Yeah wow yeah. So

594
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.000
they're so yeah, there's like all this interesting stuff and

595
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.480
they didn't include like any of that. They were like, anyway,

596
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:39.160
there's some whaling, but let's talk about these cows. So wow.

597
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.839
This says that the estate was broken up and sold

598
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:44.960
in nineteen eighty.

599
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:49.200
Though, well I would believe them over mured At UK.

600
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.400
So yeah. This this suggests that the current owners are

601
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.000
not related to the people who owned it before.

602
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.039
Yeah, I mean, especially yea, please please, especially since we

603
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.720
know there was a monastery in the beginning. So I

604
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.640
don't think there's just like one chain of title all

605
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.680
the way through nothing. Oh sure anymore.

606
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.200
The current owners market the castle as being the most

607
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.480
haunted castle in Britain. It has been visited by the

608
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.440
Most Haunted TV show. Most famous ghost of the castle

609
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.160
is the Blue or Radiant Boy, who, according to the owners,

610
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.680
used to haunt the pink room in the castle HM.

611
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.039
In nineteen eighty seven, the castle was used as a

612
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.720
filming location for the film Elizabeth. As of twenty twenty,

613
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.599
sections of the castle are open to the public, including

614
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.240
for late night ghost tours, and eight apartments within the

615
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.799
castle and its outbuildings are available for holiday rentals. Oh.

616
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.400
During the Second World War it was used as an

617
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.079
army barracks. Wow yeah, man, Mirror dot Cota UK. I

618
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.319
like stick it out with them because they never disappoint

619
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.759
in always disappointing.

620
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.519
Yeah. Yeah.

621
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000
So with that said, we're going to take a quick

622
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.079
break and when we get back, we're going to talk

623
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.480
about a mummy of a different kind. Right after this

624
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.320
we are back and chill. Would it be safe to

625
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:17.400
say you are indeed a cat person half cat half

626
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.480
person exactly.

627
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.079
Yeah, I mean that last time I went to the doctors,

628
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:22.960
that's what they said.

629
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.119
So you're lucky. Last time I went to the doctor,

630
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.079
the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed.

631
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.559
Oh yeah. I don't tell my doctors about everything I

632
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.000
do in private like you do.

633
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:41.480
So when I used to practice fire eating all the time,

634
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.480
I like burned my mouth once and they were like,

635
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.159
did you ever go to a doctor over it? In someone,

636
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.719
I was like, what are they gonna say. They're just

637
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.760
gonna say no more monkeys jumping on the bed. They're

638
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.920
not gonna be like you should use this solve for

639
00:34:53.000 --> 00:35:02.719
while you're putting fire in your mouth, dummy. Anyway, Uh, well,

640
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.199
this is kind of a kiddi cat story.

641
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:06.199
Oh.

642
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:13.280
Ancient mummified cheetahs found in Saudi caves shed light on history.

643
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.480
I mean, yeah, I don't know why they're being mummified.

644
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.920
So it's from the Huffington Post. Researchers ask excavated seven mummies,

645
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.360
along with the bones of fifty four other cheetahs, from

646
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.079
a site near the city of urr or a rar.

647
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.840
I'm gonna surew you say it? Yeah, So apparently there

648
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:40.920
are mummified cheetahs. Huh yeah. Scientists have uncovered the mummified

649
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.360
remains of cheetahs from caves in northern Saudi Arabia. The

650
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.280
remains range from one hundred and thirty years old to

651
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.440
over eighteen hundred years old.

652
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:59.280
Wow. Yeah, it's a long time to be mummified, and cheetahs.

653
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.840
To be mummified, and cheetah? Is that what you said?

654
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.960
No, I said cheetahs.

655
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:08.599
Okay, do you know if i'd ant cheetahs? Separate thoughts,

656
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.480
but I believe that there remains. Oh sorry, research one

657
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.599
am I oh oh, I literally lost my place. There

658
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.119
we go. Mummification prevents decay by preserving dead bodies. Egypt's

659
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.920
mummies are the most well known, but the process can

660
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.840
also happen naturally in places like glacier ice, desert sands,

661
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.599
and bog sludge. Which wasn't that like before you went

662
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.119
with Michelle Antisocial? Wasn't that your first stage name, bog sludge?

663
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.480
I don't know why I changed it. That's such a

664
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:40.639
great stage name.

665
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:47.599
Honestly, I think it's kind of perfect. It is, though

666
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.880
bog sludge. It's great to because it's kind of like

667
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.679
it's reminiscent of bog skags or bog skags, but it's not,

668
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:02.880
obviously but bog sludge. The new large cat mummies have

669
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:09.119
cloudy eyes and shriveled limbs, resembling dried out husks. I

670
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.840
mean it'd be weird for the like the the cheetah

671
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.440
mummies are like absolute swollen chads that look refreshed and

672
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:21.280
alive right this moment. In fact, one bit me. It's

673
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.119
something that I've never seen before, said Jean Madurell Malapierra

674
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.400
with the University of Florence in Italy, who was not

675
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.119
involved with the discovery.

676
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:32.280
Oh he's just some.

677
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:39.760
Guy and was not talking about the topic. Researchers aren't

678
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.440
sure exactly how these new cats got mummified. Are they

679
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:48.079
really that new one thirty years up to whatever? But

680
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.480
the cave's dry conditions and stable temperature could have played

681
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.559
a role, according to the new study published Thursday in

682
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.719
the Journal of Communications, Earth and Environment. They also don't

683
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.800
know why so many cheetahs were in the caves. That's

684
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.199
a good point. I don't think they're Cheetah's cave dwellers generally.

685
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.960
I don't know cats do like? Sorry, I asked, can

686
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.400
find spaces?

687
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:23.760
Geez, excuse me all the hell, I'm sorry. It could

688
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.119
have been a denning site where mothers birthed and raised

689
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.480
their young. Scientists have uncovered the rare mummified remains of

690
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:38.039
other felines, including a saber toothed cat cub in Russia.

691
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.840
Would you would you want a saber toothed cat?

692
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.239
Sure? Sure, I want a cat.

693
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.039
Just let the other party I want to you have

694
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:50.400
a cat? Most of a cat?

695
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.119
I do have most of a cat.

696
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.360
I would say the vast majority of a cat.

697
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:00.480
Yeah, pretty much percent of a cat. Maybe that's fair.

698
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:08.000
Yeah, Scientists, it's uncommon for large mammals to be preserved

699
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.639
to this degree. Besides being in the right environment, the

700
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.880
carcasses also have to avoid becoming a snack for hungry

701
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:20.559
scavengers like birds and hyenas. To find such intact evidence

702
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.280
of cheetahs that lived long ago in this part of

703
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.880
the world is quote entirely without precedent. Study author Ahmed

704
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.760
Bouje with the National Center for Wildlife in Saudi Arabia

705
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.960
said in an email, hmm, I didn't think about that

706
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.199
before like, you know, obviously, there are two things that

707
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.079
are true about weekly or about monthly spooky. Number one,

708
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.280
we're reading stories to have fun and at least somewhat.

709
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:53.920
And number two, we are not smart in any way. Yeah,

710
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.880
I mean you're college educated, but you know, yeah, sorry

711
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.800
to call you out. It's okay, but I didn't think

712
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.840
about that before. But the reason this is especially big

713
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.840
news is they've literally never found a big cat like

714
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.480
this preserved totally mummified.

715
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.159
Yeah, because you would think something would have eaten it before. Then.

716
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.519
That's yeah, that is really strange. Maybe this is like

717
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.800
a maybe this is their kind of like tombs, and

718
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.079
it's guarded by other cheetahs.

719
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.039
Who stopped a little while ago.

720
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.559
Yeah. Yeah, I mean eventually they were like this is stupid,

721
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.920
and they were like, now, I'm assuming that's how they sound.

722
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.199
Maybe they probably do not sound like that. Cheetah's once

723
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.639
roamed across most of Africa and parts of Asia, but

724
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.119
now live in just nine percent of their previous range

725
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.119
and haven't been spotted across the Arabian Peninsula for decades.

726
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:53.079
That's likely due to habitat loss, unregulated hunting, and lack

727
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.199
of prey, among other factors. I mean, why are they

728
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.199
hunting them? I mean just to because they're dangerous.

729
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.440
Or actually cheetahs are not very dangerous.

730
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.840
Yeah yeah, what what scale like Like it's like, on

731
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.400
a scale of one to ten, how dangerous is a cheetah?

732
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.000
Not very dangerous? They don't really kill people cheetahs.

733
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.719
Okay, So like a two? A two? Okay, So what

734
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.800
is like a house cat?

735
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.239
Like a five?

736
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.840
Okay? I see you and I have very similar opinions

737
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.400
about house cats, which I appreciate.

738
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.679
Yeah, Like, if a house cat was the size of

739
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.559
a cheetah, it would just eat you. But a cheetah

740
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.840
is the size of a cheetah and it's not eating you.

741
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:47.519
So hmm okay, Yeah, honestly, I agree with you. That's

742
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.920
the worst part. She's out of line, but she's right.

743
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.599
In a first for naturally mummified large cats, scientists were

744
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.559
also able to peek at the cheetah's jeans and found

745
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.920
that there were most similar to modern day cheetahs from

746
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.199
Asia and Northwest Africa. That information could help with future

747
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.360
efforts to reintroduce the cats to places they no longer live. Okay,

748
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.960
is that a good idea? Like if they if they

749
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.199
aren't there at all, Like why put them there again?

750
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.639
It seems like it's not a good habitat for them anymore.

751
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.280
It's my point, Well, if they were like hunted to extinction,

752
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.880
then that's that's an US problem.

753
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.360
Yeah, But the problem is it's not an US problem.

754
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.239
It's like all of the different governments and cultures that

755
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.239
are like in that region. That's my point is like

756
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.760
it just sounds like it's not hospitable. I'm not saying

757
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.760
like they deserve to be hunted. I'm saying, can we

758
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.079
make everybody agree to stop killing them?

759
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.679
Yeah? Maybe we should just leave them where they are.

760
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.320
Maybe we should, Yeah, maybe we should concentrate on them

761
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.119
doing you know, having more population where they are. But

762
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.559
I again, I don't know stuff. I could be completely wrong.

763
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.480
It just worries me because it's like if they were

764
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.239
like rushed out of a place, like, will it be

765
00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.920
beneficial to put them back there?

766
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.840
Yeah, but at least they could see they're dead again.

767
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.760
Actually they probably took them out of that cave.

768
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.559
Likely Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also like if they

769
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.920
were hunted, Like to me, the way this made it

770
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.360
sound was like they're not there anymore. That's what makes

771
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.920
me feel weird. If they were like, oh, the population's decimated,

772
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.519
it like, yeah, let's bump the numbers back up. But

773
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.760
if they're gone, I would say, like just move on. Yeah,

774
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.079
Like it's probably not good for them unless they but

775
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.920
it could be about like them providing you know, balance

776
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.639
to the nature stuff, or that could be too.

777
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.519
Yeah, it could be helpful, beneficial for the ecosystem to

778
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:35.960
have them.

779
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.280
Yeah. The Associated Press Health and Science Department received support

780
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.320
from the Howard Oh wait, that's sorry. That was That

781
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.800
was a weird end to the article. It was just

782
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.159
to places they no longer live. I assumed there was

783
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.800
a little bit more to it about like what they

784
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.599
were going to do for that, but no, Well thanks

785
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:59.880
a lot, Huffington Post cheese. Well, I hope the folks

786
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.079
listening to this are you know, have electricity and are

787
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:08.239
warm and they're enjoying a little spooky fun because things

788
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.840
are gonna get chilling when we get back, because this

789
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:14.000
next story might be harder to make fun of, although

790
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.280
Chill will probably find a way because she's in a

791
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.320
cruel mood because a body was found at a missing

792
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.960
woman's home and it's opened up kind of a dark

793
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.599
chain of events, So we'll be talking about that right

794
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:41.719
after this, and we're back now heading to people dot

795
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.840
com while Michelle yawns rudely in my face. Now you're not,

796
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:48.679
are you really?

797
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.880
I mean, I'm a little sad that I did it.

798
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:58.880
Yeah. Yeah. A body was found at a missing woman's

799
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.000
home and now how her son and daughter in law

800
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.199
are in custody? Uh oh yeah, yeah, this seems a

801
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.320
little strange. Unidentified human remains were found in a makeshift

802
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.400
backyard grave at the home of an elderly Mississippi woman

803
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.920
who had gone missing, and now her son and daughter

804
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.039
in law are charged in connection with the case. Authority said.

805
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.320
Yeah.

806
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.360
On Monday, December twenty second, the Jackson Police Department put

807
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.480
out a missing persons alert for Carol Ryan eighty one

808
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.280
after a family member reported that she had not been

809
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.559
heard from for several months. The man who reported her

810
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.199
missing said Carol Ryan was supposed to be at a

811
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.880
nursing home in Brandon, but he had not been able

812
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:48.559
to locate her, police said in the announcement. On Monday night,

813
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.199
Jackson Police obtained a search warrant for Karen Ryan's home

814
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.039
or Carol Ryan's home. Chief Tyree Jones told reporters at

815
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.519
the scene on Tuesday, December twenty third. Jones told reporters

816
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:03.320
that evidence led investigators to bring in excavators and other machinery,

817
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.639
which then led to the discovery of unidentified human remains

818
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:08.400
that were buried in the backyard.

819
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.559
I wonder what the evidence was like, was there like

820
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.760
a grave there that said like, this is where we

821
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.000
buried the body. So they're like, I guess we have

822
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:16.599
to excavate.

823
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.519
I mean, you know, I don't know this. This seems

824
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.760
weird because like the headline sounds simple until you break

825
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.320
it down and then you're like, wait, what there was

826
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:29.840
a graveyard in the backyard.

827
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.360
I guess maybe they could have brought in like one

828
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.119
of those cadaver dogs that like can I don't know

829
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.239
why they would bring that, but maybe they did, and

830
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.239
they were like it's under the ground.

831
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.880
Yeah, he said, the remains were wrapped in a wait.

832
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.159
Oh yeah, We're wrapped in a tarp and buried in

833
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.039
a grave that was six to eight feet deep and

834
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:55.960
contained concrete. Oh wow, that's that's being dedicated to the job.

835
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:57.599
Yeah.

836
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.239
Authorities believe Carol Ryan may have disappeared from the home

837
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.159
where she lived with her son and daughter in law.

838
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.159
Jones said the body had allegedly been buried in the

839
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:10.599
backyard quote long before Carol Ryan was reported missing.

840
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.079
Yeah. Yeah.

841
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.719
On Wednesday, December twenty fourth, ah Christmas Eve, the Jackson

842
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.400
Police Department issued a press release saying that John Ryan, fifty,

843
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.599
and his wife, Samantha Ryan, forty eight, had been arrested

844
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.239
and charged with desecration of a human corpse. The Clarion

845
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840
Ledger reports Carol Ryan will continue to be classified as

846
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.920
a missing person until the remains they unearthed are conclusively identified.

847
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.800
John Ryan is being held on a one hundred thousand

848
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.719
dollars bond and Samantha Ryan is being held on a

849
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.159
seventy five thousand dollars bond, according to the online jail records.

850
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.679
More charges are possible. Jones said it is unclear whether

851
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.800
the suspects have retained attorneys who can speak on their behalf.

852
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.960
The Jackson Police Department did not immediately respond to people's

853
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:59.599
request for information. So just there was an unrelated grave

854
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.639
and there was concrete involved, Like it was like like a,

855
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.320
I mean, that's a lot of effort. Yeah, it was

856
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:07.280
dug very deep.

857
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.480
Yeah, but the whole desecration of a human corpse. Thing

858
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:16.000
has really got me too, because that's not murder. So

859
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.000
I don't really know, like who was this person? Did

860
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.079
they dig up a body from another grave and then

861
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.719
mess with it and then put then bury it in

862
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:25.039
the bag?

863
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.800
I think burying human remains without the proper permitting is desecration.

864
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.639
Oh okay, I think so I could be wrong, but

865
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.800
that is a that's very strange because you know, there

866
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:46.079
are family funeral plots and or family cemeteries rather that

867
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.840
are on private property and stuff that if they're old enough,

868
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.960
it's like, you know, like an old car. It's like, oh,

869
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.320
this car is too old. You don't have to have

870
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.960
seat belts if you buried them long ago back then

871
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.760
you don't need the permits, right, So they'll have to

872
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.199
when the body was buried, how the person died. So

873
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.159
I'm guessing that they're just holding them on what they

874
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.719
can hold them for, which is desecration, because there's no

875
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.239
evidence they did anything to the body, but they were

876
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.880
in possession with it. There's no evidence they killed the person.

877
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.000
All they have is evidence that the body was you know,

878
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:19.719
handled improperly.

879
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.880
I mean, I would assume it's not like super super

880
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.480
old because the whole I mean, the whole thing about

881
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.199
like it's buried in concrete. Like it just doesn't sound normal.

882
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.559
It doesn't sound like a normal, just grave thing. Yeah,

883
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.440
I mean I would do it, but that doesn't mean

884
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.360
that it's normal.

885
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.760
No, no, no. Unlike most of your choices, which are

886
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.199
extremely normal, this one a bit off the beaten path,

887
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:51.400
so to speak. Well, oh no, there's a comment section

888
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.599
I don't want to know. Oh well, the first comment

889
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.719
just says Republicans.

890
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.599
I don't know what that means.

891
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:08.320
In this context. I don't either. One of the comments

892
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:11.840
sounds like she's one of those conspiracy theory believers. To me,

893
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:18.639
are they responding to somebody else? Oh no, I yeah,

894
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:26.199
that doesn't make any sense. Wow. Let me guess they

895
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.719
were cashing her social Security checks because the woman that's missing,

896
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.199
I'm guessing. Then somebody just says maga with an exclamation point,

897
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.440
and I have no idea if that's a negative exclamation

898
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:37.800
or a positive exclamation.

899
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:39.760
I don't know.

900
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.679
Oh, thank goodness, Okay, there's some sanity at people dot com.

901
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.960
The next comment is, oh, for heaven's sake, nothing, this

902
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:53.960
has nothing to do with politics. And then somebody comments

903
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.639
unthan said, oh, whatever, we both know who they'd vote for.

904
00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.119
What is happening?

905
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.159
I don't know. I usually I usually don't look at

906
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:04.679
the comments, but I was like, this is such a

907
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:06.760
bizarre and short article. I was like, Okay, what are

908
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:07.559
people saying?

909
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.920
Yeah, I'm not saying anything, apparently.

910
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.519
And then a lot of people are commenting on their

911
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.519
mug shots, which they do look a little on the

912
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.360
rough end of the spectrum.

913
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.400
What so, Like, if I had a mug mug shot,

914
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.320
I'm sure I wouldn't look not rough in it, Like

915
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:24.119
what do you want?

916
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.719
They do kind of look like they might be drug abusers.

917
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:33.880
Okay, maybe, or maybe they just they were just crying

918
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.719
a lot because they were just arrested for.

919
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.920
A second, or maybe they're just ugly, Like yeah, they're

920
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:41.760
just ug Oh.

921
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.760
Is that a crime?

922
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.000
Is that a crime? Because it should be. I'm running

923
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.760
for office right now. I'm so glad that you're ready

924
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.639
to go. I mean, there was that one presidential campaign

925
00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:01.159
you ran, which was very fun to question you in debate.

926
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.360
That was a few years back.

927
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.239
Yeah, yeah, I'm.

928
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.519
The old show. The show is awkward. So well, we're

929
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:10.360
going to take a real quick break and when we

930
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.119
get back. Don't worry, Celle. We're heading back to the

931
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.039
world of real estate because I know how much you

932
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:22.760
enjoy houses and buildings. We're heading to Venice, where there's

933
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:39.440
nine bedrooms and seven untimely deaths. Right after this, we

934
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.480
are back with some more spooky news, and Chell brought

935
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.679
some other spooky news to my attention, which we've added

936
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.639
to the queue for this month. But we'll get to

937
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.039
that in a minute, because for now, we're heading to Venice.

938
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:54.880
Yay.

939
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.880
You like Venice, right.

940
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.480
I mean in theory. I've never been there, but I

941
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.000
like and I like really bad smelling cities, so it

942
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:03.679
sounds right.

943
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.400
Now. Do you like water as much as these buildings?

944
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.440
I love them. Look at them. They're just sitting in

945
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:12.920
the water.

946
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:14.800
The water is like up to the door.

947
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:16.519
Yeah, they just.

948
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:20.280
Doesn't the water get in the house.

949
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.199
No, because I don't think they use those floors, or

950
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:25.840
maybe they do. I don't know how.

951
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.320
What's going on?

952
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.639
Yeah?

953
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:38.400
Uh, nine bedrooms, seven untimely deaths can cursed Venice Palace

954
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.880
finally attract a buyer.

955
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.559
I'll take it. Jeez.

956
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.480
Uh, well, wait to hear what they're asking. It ought

957
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:50.880
to be an estate agents stream primely positioned. Uh oh,

958
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.679
this is The Guardian, by the way dot com primary

959
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.440
positioned on the banks of the Grand Canal in Venice,

960
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.760
just steps away from the Peggy Guggenheim collection. The story

961
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.960
did Cadario has shimmered on the water since the late

962
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:10.079
fifteenth century. Its elegant Early Venetian Renaissance facade among the

963
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:16.519
cities most distinctive, named after its owner, Giovanni Dario, a

964
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.920
diplomat hailed a hero after securing a peace treaty with

965
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.679
the Ottoman Empire. Over the centuries, the palazzo has been

966
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:29.039
home to nobles, merchants, and even British Rock Royalty. Okay,

967
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.960
maybe the idols lived there back in the nineties.

968
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.079
Your children, Yes, yeah.

969
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.320
In nineteen eight. Oh wait, and they're just idols, right, yes,

970
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:43.159
not the In nineteen oh eight, it was painted by

971
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.440
Claude Monet during his trip to Venice, and one year

972
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.840
later was cited by Henry James in his travelogue Italian Hours.

973
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.639
I'll show you the Monet. It sure looks like a mone.

974
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.159
It does look like a Monae.

975
00:54:56.239 --> 00:55:00.000
Way, yep, that's a mone. Hey, it must be the moment.

976
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.920
But the sprawling building which comes with nine bedrooms eight bathrooms, Wow,

977
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.280
almost as many bathrooms as bedrooms.

978
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.199
Weird, I mean, and grand.

979
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:16.960
Reception rooms filled with frescoes. Has proved stubbornly difficult to sell,

980
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.800
and not necessarily because buyers have been spooked by its

981
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:32.760
price tag, a reported seventeen point four million pounds fine

982
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.400
A state what I mean? Now you don't want it?

983
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.320
No, I don't want it anymore. But why I can't

984
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.400
afford seventeen million pounds?

985
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.239
You don't know that. You don't even know how much

986
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:44.599
that is.

987
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.079
I don't, but I think I can't afford it anyway?

988
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:48.760
Very heavy.

989
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:50.519
Yeah.

990
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.360
Estate agents have struggled to overcome its reputation as quote

991
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.800
Venice's cursed Palace, owing to a string of owners and

992
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:05.480
guests who met untimely and in some cases, violent deaths.

993
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.559
I mean, you'd hope, so hope.

994
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.679
So I mean, if they're not violent, who even cares?

995
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:11.679
Exactly?

996
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.760
Yeah, car with a bang or a boom or whatever.

997
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:25.719
A new sound makes, a new mased now freshly renovated.

998
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.400
The sale of Cadadio has been given another push. The

999
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.119
challenge entrusted to the Venice unit of Christie's International Real

1000
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:40.559
Estate and Angle and vulcars or volt cares. Christie's describes

1001
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:46.519
the building as a quote architectural gem boasting Gothic arches,

1002
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:54.400
antique Morano chandeliers and a loja terrace. I don't know

1003
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.480
what a lot of that means, while while noting its

1004
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:02.840
location in a quote peaceful Venetian neighborhood, tucked away from

1005
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.679
the crowds.

1006
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.559
Yeah again, I'd buy it, but I can't so.

1007
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.280
What the marketing spiel like, this is spiel. What the

1008
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.119
marketing spiel doesn't mention are the tragic tales that have

1009
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:23.079
embellished the local legends of it being jinxed. Yeah, I

1010
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.320
don't care ouch. As the story goes, the palazzo is

1011
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.480
associated with at least seven deaths, the most gruesome in

1012
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:38.400
nineteen seventy, when its owner, Count Filipo Giordano de la Lanze,

1013
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.119
was murdered within its walls by his boyfriend, a sailor

1014
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:48.679
who fled to London and was himself later murdered. Will

1015
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.440
sellers be like that, man? Yeah, are you sure you

1016
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.239
don't want this? If I show you this image of

1017
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.079
the palazzo? Oh man, look at that palazzo.

1018
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.000
It looks really nice.

1019
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.079
You have always said, how much.

1020
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.719
You love palazzos I have, I said, I don't even

1021
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:08.599
know what that means, but I love them.

1022
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.039
Do you like how there's like a step stool up

1023
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:11.840
to the sink.

1024
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.440
For some reason, because I'm really short, so it's perfect.

1025
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.239
I feel like that's not that tall though, Yeah, I

1026
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.400
mean it does not look tall. Maybe it's for a child.

1027
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.199
I don't know. I mean maybe it's a it's a

1028
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.239
toilet like it's You could use the sink as a

1029
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.079
toilet too, so you need to be able to get

1030
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:37.360
up there. Oh, I sure, very authentic Italiano Christopher kit

1031
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.679
Lambert Lambert God, I cannot keep all like between reading

1032
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.400
like true crime stories for terrifying and true and doing

1033
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.199
these new stories. I sometimes I get so lost. I

1034
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.679
don't know which dialect I'm supposed to try to pronounce

1035
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.440
things in anymore. At the time, the manager of the

1036
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.000
who bought the property the following year after the murder,

1037
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.239
although he claimed to have never claimed to have been

1038
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.519
unbothered by the supposed curse, he is said to have

1039
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.800
told friends that he slept elsewhere in order to escape

1040
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:12.000
the ghosts.

1041
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:15.639
Yeah, I guess do you think he was.

1042
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.320
Just lying to sound cool? He was like I'm not

1043
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.800
even afraid of no ghosts. And then he was like, hey, friends,

1044
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.400
I'm really afraid of ghosts. Yeah.

1045
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.880
Either that or he actually slept there, but he wanted

1046
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.960
to be a believer, so he'd be like, I didn't

1047
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.320
actually sleep there because I'm so scared of the ghosts.

1048
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.880
I'm just so scared of the ghosts. I don't know

1049
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.960
why he's Italian now is not He's from England. Still,

1050
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.920
local people have blamed the curse for his descent into drugs,

1051
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.400
subsequent financial crisis, and death in London in nineteen eighty

1052
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.760
one after falling down a flight of stairs. Okay, first,

1053
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.000
I see where they're coming from. Have you sheall ever

1054
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.480
heard of anyone in the music business having a drug

1055
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.440
problem or financial issues?

1056
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.760
I mean it happens really rarely. Usually it's a curse.

1057
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:09.880
So yeah, I get it. I get it. This would

1058
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.280
never happen to a regular manager of a band.

1059
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.840
If it wasn't a rock band. Yeah, yeah, wait, yeah,

1060
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.039
I stand by would have said, oh okay. In the

1061
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.599
nineteen eighties, the palace was bought by the Italian financier

1062
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:32.159
Raoul Gardini, who became embroiled in a high profile corruption scandal.

1063
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.800
And killed himself in Milan in nineteen ninety three.

1064
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:39.679
These people aren't even dying on this property.

1065
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.079
No, but they are all dying like shortly, within roughly

1066
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.360
ten years of living there, which is kind of weird.

1067
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.679
Yeah, I mean so, I guess maybe it just attracts

1068
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.559
people who have these really like dangerous lifestyles.

1069
01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.639
You mean, like wealth does that. Yeah, I'm just saying

1070
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.599
it's I mean it price to you out of it. Yeah,

1071
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.719
Now I feel bad. I'm sorry I said that to you. Okay, No,

1072
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.960
it's fine. I deserve suffering. The legends also allude to

1073
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.719
the palazzo casting misfortune on those who simply came within

1074
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:21.760
striking distance or holidayed there.

1075
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:22.840
Wow.

1076
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:28.960
Mario Delmonico, an operator an operatic tenor, was planning to

1077
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.320
buy the property in nineteen sixty four, but changed his

1078
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:36.119
mind after being involved in a serious car accident on

1079
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:37.960
his way to view it.

1080
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.960
Oh.

1081
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.239
John Entwistle, the Who's bass player, died in the United

1082
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.480
States in two thousand and two, a week after renting

1083
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:52.280
the palazzo.

1084
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.920
Wow, that's like people die and then they go to places,

1085
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.000
sometimes the other way around.

1086
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.119
I mean, I think it's interesting. The basis from the

1087
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:09.360
Who stayed at their like they're dead manager's old house. Yeah,

1088
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:11.119
supposedly cursed.

1089
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.360
Yeah.

1090
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:17.559
Cad Dario was mostly derelict after that, and although it

1091
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.440
attracted interest from some perspective buyers enamored of its architecture,

1092
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:26.159
rumored to include Woody Allen, it is claimed they were

1093
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:30.960
put off by its ghostly undertones. I feel like Woody

1094
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.159
Allen would be like, you call this a palazo, I

1095
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.360
mean a name. It's a palazo, but is it really

1096
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:43.360
a palazo? I don't know. I don't know. In two

1097
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.599
thousand and six, the building was bought by an American

1098
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.000
firm on behalf of its current owner, whose identity has

1099
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:51.360
not been made public.

1100
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.039
But it's probably dead.

1101
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.679
They gotta be dead. The fact that the property has

1102
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.639
been empty ever since has only enhanced the tails Arnaldo Fuselo,

1103
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.519
a general manager at Christie's in Venice, said Venetians like

1104
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.239
to tell a good yarn, especially to tourists. For example,

1105
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:11.920
quote the gondolier who rose past the building. It's a

1106
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.880
little bit like that, he said. He also points to

1107
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:18.079
the hundreds of inhabitants over the centuries who had lived

1108
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.599
to a ripe old age at the palazzo, including Dario,

1109
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:28.039
who died of natural causes at eighty years old. David Buzzato,

1110
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.960
a historian in Venice, said the rumors had begun in

1111
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.239
the nineteen seventies but got into full swing after the

1112
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:39.119
suicide of Gardini, generating a journalistic field day quote. The

1113
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.599
Venetians lapped it up. They love telling a story, and

1114
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.559
it's quite normal for them to exaggerate like they did

1115
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:51.719
with the Poviglia island. Povaglia is an abandoned and reputably

1116
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:56.480
haunted island within the Venetian Lagoon. That is funny because

1117
01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:00.840
there's that Venetian horror story movie. That's a Agatha Christie

1118
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.559
ghost story that took place in the Venetian area. It

1119
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.159
was a haunting in Venice, is what it was called. Oh,

1120
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:10.039
it's just funny because they even they chose to tell

1121
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:14.559
a ghost story in Venice. Venetians were an otherwise pragmatic

1122
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:19.360
bunch and usually unswayed by superstition, Bussato said, quote, but

1123
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.760
they do like to amaze people, especially those who come

1124
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
from the outside. Bussato said Venice was full of historic

1125
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.559
buildings where murders and suicides had taken plates, which today

1126
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.079
hosted luxury hotels. That's the boast you want.

1127
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.239
Yeah.

1128
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.360
Quote. As with all legends, the ones surrounding Cadario get

1129
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.199
a little bit mixed up. The storytellers take a few

1130
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.440
concrete facts and magnify them. Fussello is confident the building

1131
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.400
will overcome its eerie reputation and now sell. He said

1132
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.280
it had so far attracted a lot of interest from

1133
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.679
a mix of Italians and foreigners. Quote. This is a

1134
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.800
place where history lives and you die. No, he died,

1135
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.039
see that part. And if you want to live history,

1136
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:10.079
then this is the perfect home to become history. Although

1137
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:13.920
it's important that whoever buys it dedicates themselves to keeping

1138
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:19.079
this property alive and not themselves. I just it's too

1139
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:23.000
easy to add those tags. Yeah. Well, we're going to

1140
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.280
take a quick break and when we get back, we're

1141
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.960
going to visit a woman who lives with dozens of

1142
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:34.519
haunted dolls and explains what time of year they go

1143
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:51.920
completely bananas right after this bananas shell. Yeah, for old

1144
01:05:51.920 --> 01:06:00.760
time's sake, let's head back to Mirror dot co dot UK. Yay, Now,

1145
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.000
before we start, Chell, this story is about a woman

1146
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:13.119
named Tegea who lives with dozens of haunted.

1147
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:16.679
Dolls sounds really not great.

1148
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.400
What time of year do you think they're the most active?

1149
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:28.760
Valentine's Day?

1150
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:32.239
No?

1151
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:32.480
No?

1152
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:34.159
Do you want one second guess? Yeah?

1153
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:39.880
Around Christmas? You're right, that was my first guessesonly.

1154
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.039
I had a feeling you thought it was too obvious. Yeah,

1155
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.440
I thought it was too bizarre when I saw this headline,

1156
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.079
which is I live with dozens of haunted dolls. They're

1157
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:56.800
extra active at Christmas time. A woman who lives with

1158
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.760
dozens of haunted dolls has revealed Christmas drives them crazy. Wow,

1159
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:04.039
I mean same?

1160
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.280
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I get it.

1161
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.320
Once, even turning her home into a battle ground of

1162
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:20.360
a quote full on prank war. Wow, why are you

1163
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:21.079
shaking her head?

1164
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:22.719
Because I was afraid it was going to be some

1165
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.519
sort of pun or something and it wasn't.

1166
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:32.239
No prank war, so not so so haunted dolls use

1167
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.639
pranks okay, okay to.

1168
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.679
Fight with each other or her I don't know.

1169
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:42.639
Yeah, hopefully all will be revealed, Teach a US based

1170
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:47.440
paranormal investigator and haunted items collector. That makes sense. It'd

1171
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.679
be funny if it was like a paranormal investigator and anisthmatist,

1172
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.639
which is a coin dealer. Yeah, how did you tould

1173
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.159
these haunted dolls? I really don't know.

1174
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.199
They just came like literally.

1175
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:05.199
Yeah, yeah, uh prank. They just pranked their way in. Yeah.

1176
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.400
Has spent the past five years amassing ghoulish artifacts and

1177
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:16.560
now lives alongside dozens of them. Do you remember back

1178
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:18.560
in the day when we look at eBay listings for

1179
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:23.960
haunted dolls? That was fun. Yeah, some of them were

1180
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.199
really creative. Some of them were not, but some of

1181
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:28.720
them were like legitimately, like wow, this is really fun

1182
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:31.960
to read and kind of creepy. I think that I

1183
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:33.760
don't know if that's still a big thing, because I know,

1184
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:37.319
like mystery boxes were really big in twenty nineteen and

1185
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.920
twenty twenty and dipic boxes and all this haunting stuff.

1186
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.199
But I looked at this sometimes I'd look at these

1187
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.600
haunted dolls and it would be like fifty dollars and

1188
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:49.439
it would be like kind of a creepy looking doll,

1189
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:52.640
but it would have this long, intricate backstory that was

1190
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.439
like super thought out, and I was like, man, that

1191
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.840
would almost be worth it, yeah, like for the cool

1192
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:03.119
like oooh, like it'd be like entertainment, you know, among

1193
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.880
her vast collection. Collection is a massive assortment of fifty

1194
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:11.840
four haunted dolls who currently reside in their own room

1195
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:13.199
at her house.

1196
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.800
That sucks for those dolls. They all have to share

1197
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:17.279
one room together.

1198
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.960
I know where they're just pranking each other non stop. Yeah,

1199
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.520
I'm a prank you bro, I'm a prank you back.

1200
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.840
She claims. The dolls wreak havoc by flickering the lights,

1201
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:34.520
raiding the fridge, and even hijacking her electronics to play

1202
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:41.840
their favorite songs. On normal days, Wow, but at Christmas

1203
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:48.079
time the experience is ratcheted to another level. Yeah, I guess,

1204
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.079
I guess so yeah. Oh well, wow, she's just average looking.

1205
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:56.760
I have nothing mean to say. She just kind of

1206
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:57.520
looks like a lady.

1207
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.159
Yeah.

1208
01:09:58.319 --> 01:09:59.119
Yeah.

1209
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.000
Also the dolls look just about his average. Ye creepy.

1210
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.039
Yeah, there's like some stuffed animals. Yeah.

1211
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:11.399
Oh, there's a pink elephant. Yeah, unless I'm just drunk,

1212
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.840
like in the old cartoons when we were kids, See

1213
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.000
pink elephants when you're drunk. Uh huh.

1214
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:17.359
Yeah.

1215
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:19.239
Like that's the other thing is like a lot of

1216
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.359
these haunted dolls just like normal Of course, dolls are

1217
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:26.560
already kind of creepy. So that helps. T says she

1218
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:32.920
has encountered unexplained movements and mysteriously rearranged decorations overnight when

1219
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:37.640
the festive season hits, creating some of her quote favorite moments.

1220
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:44.840
I guess, so, she said, quote to what she loves dolls,

1221
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.840
she oh, she does, well. I mean, uh, here this

1222
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.800
is a picture of her clutching one of her favorite dolls.

1223
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:52.840
Ah, I like that doll.

1224
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.479
It's kind of cool. Has like almost no mouth.

1225
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.720
Yeah, it's only a little haunted.

1226
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.520
I don't know how I feel about the lack of mouth.

1227
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:01.600
I like it.

1228
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.439
Let's see, she said, quote, I've had a few favorite

1229
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.640
moments happened around Christmas. That's great writing her favorite moments,

1230
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.560
she said, I've had a few favorite moments. Yeah. Once

1231
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.720
I had hung small stockings on the shelving unit where

1232
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.199
I keep the dolls. What started as a festive gesture

1233
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:28.800
quickly turned into a full blown prank war. Every time

1234
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.680
I turned my back, the stockings would get pulled down.

1235
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.960
It became a daily routine in December where I'd hang

1236
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.239
them back up and they'd knock them back down. Are

1237
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.319
you sure it wasn't just like humid in there and

1238
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:41.640
the command strips wouldn't stick.

1239
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.800
Yeah, or whatever you Yeah, whatever she was using to

1240
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:46.479
hold them up wasn't good.

1241
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:52.119
Quote. Eventually I told them that whichever spirit kept knocking

1242
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.439
their stocking up kept their stocking. Oh sorry, I told them,

1243
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.880
whichever spirit kept their stocking up until Christmas without me

1244
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.039
sing with me would get an extra gift. What do

1245
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.359
you get the haunted doll that has everything?

1246
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.800
I'm more concerned that there are like fifty four stockings,

1247
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:10.760
one for each doll.

1248
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:14.880
I would need to see proof, I would say, cap,

1249
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:19.399
she's got to have like one stocking per like ten dolls.

1250
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.319
She said, if they kept their stock I don't know.

1251
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.399
I don't know. It kind of sounds like she just

1252
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:24.960
has a stocking for every doll.

1253
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:27.439
There's no way she has that many stockings.

1254
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.000
If she does, it would explain why they keep falling down,

1255
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.560
because I'm sure like they look okay and then like

1256
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.960
one of them falls and you gotta find Yeah.

1257
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:42.319
That was solid, that's a solid point. Thank you, that's good. Welcome, Oh,

1258
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.479
because I was getting tired of picking them up. By

1259
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:52.479
Christmas day, only two stockings were still hanging. Oh, and

1260
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:56.000
there's no photograph of the stocking. Oh, there is one.

1261
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.720
Uh wow, okay, there is not a sing for every

1262
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:07.359
single one. Bro, look at that. I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

1263
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:10.560
twelve thirteen stockings in that one side of the room.

1264
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.000
But isn't that because they keep getting knocked down but.

1265
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.880
They get up again, You're never going to keep them down.

1266
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:22.560
Oh yeah, there is one stocking on the floor in

1267
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:23.079
that picture.

1268
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:23.640
Hmmm.

1269
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.960
And another spooky experience took place while she was filming

1270
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:33.439
a click clip for her TikTok account. Imagine that, yeah,

1271
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.239
Tee said quote. Just as I was wrapping things up

1272
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.560
and telling everyone I was about to log off, music

1273
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:44.239
suddenly started blaring from my Amazon echo downstairs. I can't

1274
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:46.359
say her name. She's in the room with me right now.

1275
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.560
I went to check, and sure enough, a Queen song

1276
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:54.640
was playing. Queen all right. Fittingly, that's the favorite band

1277
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.479
of my haunted teddy bear Jeremiah.

1278
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.319
Wow, she knows his favorite band.

1279
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:05.039
Yeah. She's a very involved, very involved doll owner.

1280
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:07.279
She's a good doll own her.

1281
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:11.399
Yeah, I'm glad you can't hear eye rolls via microphone.

1282
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:17.119
Oh but she does have set rules with the dolls

1283
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.359
to ensure the mischief doesn't go too far. I mean,

1284
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:23.000
she wouldn't want another Annabelle on her hands. It's like,

1285
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.840
and then they knocked the they knocked the stocking off

1286
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:36.279
the wall and murdered a woman. Which she introduces these

1287
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:39.439
rules when welcoming them into her home. Teach said, quote,

1288
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:45.520
we clearly explain our expectations. Wow, no harm to us,

1289
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:50.159
our pets, or anyone who visits the house. The only

1290
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:53.119
formal step we take when welcoming a new haunted doll

1291
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.199
is setting verbal boundaries.

1292
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:56.239
Wow.

1293
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.640
So it's better than having a cat. I mean as

1294
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.359
far as like being able to say, like, you don't

1295
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:03.760
do this, and you don't do this. A cat would

1296
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.119
just be like, yeah, okay, I might do it.

1297
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:08.520
Though, I mean, I feel like a haunted doll would

1298
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:09.439
also be like that.

1299
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.119
I would think so too. But this is evidence to

1300
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:17.439
the contrary. Huh quote. While we've never had an issue,

1301
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.079
it's something we do out of precaution, since every new

1302
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:23.159
spirit is an unknown until we get to know them better.

1303
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:27.119
We also ask that no exterior doors or windows be opened,

1304
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:31.239
mainly to ensure our pets stay inside. It needs pets

1305
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.960
when you've got all these haunted dolls, though, I don't know,

1306
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.119
and believe it or not, we've had to add a

1307
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:42.680
rule about not blasting music or TV at full volume.

1308
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.760
That one came from experience once I came home to

1309
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.039
find a movie playing so loudly that I could hear

1310
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:50.960
it from the street. So we had to put a

1311
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.479
stop to that pretty quickly. Yeah, apparently ghost hauntings are

1312
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.359
really easy to manage. I thought that they would be difficult.

1313
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.239
Also, what happens when they break the rules or they

1314
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:02.920
just not if you tell them and they're just like

1315
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.920
if you're just like, hey, don't blast the TV, They're like,

1316
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:05.760
oh sure, I.

1317
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:07.720
Mean that's what I'm wondering. I was wondering if she

1318
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.760
like threatens them with exorcism or something, but she does.

1319
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.319
I mean, we'll see. TJ's lifelong interest with spirits sparked

1320
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.600
after a dramatic encounter when she was just six years

1321
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.600
old and in the first grade. She and her family,

1322
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.319
who also share an interest in ghost hunting, shocking. We're

1323
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:29.640
using an ovalus, a device said to convert environmental ovelis. Yeah,

1324
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.479
convert environmental energy into words displayed on a screen. I

1325
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:34.720
think you've talked about that before.

1326
01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:38.520
Yeah, Yeah, we've talked about.

1327
01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.359
Teach said, quote, out of nowhere, the ovelist said, get

1328
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:44.159
out of the way fast. We didn't wait. We moved immediately.

1329
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.439
Right after we cleared the area, a car whipped around

1330
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:50.159
the corner. It was really dark, and if we hadn't moved,

1331
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:51.760
there's a good chance we could have been hit. I

1332
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:56.439
guess they couldn't hear a car whipping around a corner.

1333
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:58.079
Well, maybe it's an electric car.

1334
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.880
That's a fair point. Yeah, you're right, You're right. That

1335
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:03.880
moment stuck with me, not just because it was my

1336
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:06.720
first clear experience, but because it felt like a spirit

1337
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:11.079
was trying to help us. Yeah. Quote, that was the

1338
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.960
first time I felt like a spirit interaction was actually positive,

1339
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.079
and that's something I've kept in mind ever since. It's

1340
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.640
a big part of why I'm now interested in haunted dolls,

1341
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.800
specifically ones with positive energy. That early experience shape the

1342
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:25.960
way I look at the paranormal today. And told me

1343
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.920
that the dolls are basically slaves. No, it doesn't hit up.

1344
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:34.800
Since beginning her collection five years ago, Teach has encountered

1345
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.800
dozens of haunted toys, researching their histories online and visiting

1346
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:45.439
expedition exhibitions to meet them in person despite the love it. Wow,

1347
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.800
you're sew into haunted dolls. You're visiting haunted dolls, not

1348
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.680
just buying me visiting? Yeah, fair enough. Despite the unusual

1349
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:55.279
antics of her haunted collection, Teach says the holiday season

1350
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.000
brings a special kind of joy to her home.

1351
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:04.079
I mean, I don't want dolls that are haunted or dolls,

1352
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:09.039
but I'm glad that she likes them so much because

1353
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.520
she seems to really love them and care about them

1354
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.600
and like what they do to.

1355
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.800
Her house as long as they obey her, by.

1356
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.600
And large, So we didn't find out what she does

1357
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:21.720
to them if they don't obey.

1358
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:26.960
Yeah. No, I mean I'm hoping that it's just like

1359
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.039
she just takes them out of the house, although every

1360
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.000
other haunted doll story I've ever heard is that that

1361
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:32.840
doesn't work if you take them out of the house.

1362
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.840
Yeah, but maybe she's just that powerful so she can.

1363
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:39.600
Oh, Okay, that's a fair point, all right. I like that.

1364
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.800
I like that. Well, we're building, we're doing some world

1365
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.319
building on the story. Yeah yeah, yeah, but we're gonna

1366
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:46.760
take a quick break and then we're going to be

1367
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:52.159
talking about over one hundred corpses stolen from a cemetery

1368
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:59.720
near you cell. Yeah, a cemetery we have visited together. Yeah,

1369
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:11.479
loof right after this and we're back. This story comes

1370
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:18.000
from NBC Philadelphia. Yah, are you a fan of NBC Philadelphia?

1371
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.039
Not really, but I just liked that they were that

1372
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.319
it was a local one that you chose.

1373
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:28.439
Of course, I can't choose some other place. The headline reads,

1374
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:33.600
PA man accused of stealing more than one hundred skeletons

1375
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.880
from cemeteries. This has multiple cemeteries.

1376
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:40.920
Yeah, I mean when I had heard, they were like,

1377
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:43.399
it could be for others too, but they hadn't. I think,

1378
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.319
so maybe this is updated a bit.

1379
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:50.000
A Pennsylvania man is accused of stealing more than one

1380
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:55.680
hundred skeletons from cemeteries in Delaware County, Philadelphia, and Luzerne.

1381
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.000
That's so how you said, Yeah, yeah.

1382
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.600
Luzerne County. I didn't want it to be another schoogle

1383
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.560
where it doesn't look at all like it sounds. Jonathan

1384
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:11.239
Gerlash thirty four of Efrata Efrata, Efreda Afreda maybe ELFREDA Affreda,

1385
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.760
Pennsylvania is charged with twenty six counts of burglary. Twenty

1386
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:20.079
six counts of criminal trespass, one hundred counts of abuse

1387
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:24.640
of corpse, one hundred counts of receiving stolen property, twenty

1388
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:28.720
six counts of intentional desecration of public monument, and other

1389
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:30.319
related offenses.

1390
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.159
Yeah, I'm interested. It's really interesting to me because he's

1391
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.479
not local, So why did he come here to steal

1392
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:38.720
our corpses?

1393
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.039
Well, I mean, you know, I know Mount Mariah is

1394
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:48.479
technically abandoned, right, so I mean maybe that's why that place. Yeah,

1395
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.199
And I mean that that's a big cemetery, dude, is

1396
01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:53.800
I remember we hiked into it and there's a point

1397
01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:57.199
where you can't like, it's cemetery every direction. It's so big.

1398
01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:59.000
I mean you could maybe see a little bit of

1399
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:02.920
like Philly skyline, but it's just cemetery. There's like you

1400
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:07.159
don't see an exit. You're in cemetery. Yeah, yeah, which

1401
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.760
is pretty cool. It's like when you're on like when

1402
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:11.520
I was on that first frozen lake I ever got on,

1403
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:12.880
and it was so big. I didn't realize that when

1404
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:14.560
I went to the middle of it, I couldn't see

1405
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:17.159
anything but frozen lake in every direction. It was like

1406
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:19.239
being in Antarctica. Like the look of it. It was

1407
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:23.760
just like, holy crap. Also blows my mind. He took

1408
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.000
exactly one hundred.

1409
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:27.600
It looks like, well, I mean, you got it. You

1410
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.520
got it. That's a good well.

1411
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.159
It says more than it says more than one hundred there,

1412
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:33.760
But then he's charged with one hundred counts of receiving

1413
01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:34.960
stolen property.

1414
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.760
Maybe yeah, no idea, I don't know.

1415
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:44.000
That's weird. So uh, let's see. Court documents obtained by

1416
01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:46.600
NBC ten revealed details on the thefts, as well as

1417
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:51.359
how investigators identified Gerlatch as the suspect. According to the

1418
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:55.479
criminal complaint, the thefts occurred between November seventh, twenty twenty five,

1419
01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.239
and January sixth, twenty twenty six, in both the Delaware

1420
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:02.760
County and philadelph sections of the Mount Mariah. It's so big.

1421
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:03.760
It's in two counties.

1422
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:04.600
Yeah. Yeah.

1423
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.600
It is of the Mount Mariah Cemetery as well as

1424
01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:11.039
a cemetery in Plains Township in Luzerne County.

1425
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:13.520
Okay, so he okay, so that makes sense. He came

1426
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.399
here specifically for that cemetery, and then he went back

1427
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.640
to him and also grave robbed, got it.

1428
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.800
That's a lot of grave robbery in one in like

1429
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:27.479
a very short amount of times. Yeah, November to January

1430
01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.039
too month. Yeah, that's insanity.

1431
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:34.159
Yeah yeah, yeah. And he needs to be careful though,

1432
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:39.239
because people bury bodies from like criminal activities there sometimes,

1433
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:41.359
so he's got to be careful.

1434
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:45.760
That's the scuttle. But anyway, yeah, I mean has that

1435
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:49.960
ever been proven? Yes? Oh, there were at.

1436
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.960
Least two times where they found a dead body in

1437
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.640
a mausoleum that was not supposed to be there, like

1438
01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:58.279
a murder.

1439
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.600
Geez, Okay, okay, I believe you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1440
01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:04.960
It's okay, I'll never do it again. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

1441
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:09.600
I'm sorry. In all, twenty six mausoleums and underground burial

1442
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:14.399
sites were burglarized or desecrated at Mount Mariah Cemetery. Investigators said,

1443
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.199
how do you how that's more than two bodies a day?

1444
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:25.359
Is Yeah, over one hundred and sixty days. Yeah, that's insane.

1445
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.880
Yeah, I mean it really dedicated.

1446
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:31.800
I respect the hustle.

1447
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:33.720
Yeah.

1448
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.199
The thefts included multiple instances in which a burglar broke

1449
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.840
into mausoleums and stole human remains. The targeted remains included

1450
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.079
the bodies of the following individuals. Martha Hunter a person

1451
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:45.760
who was born in eighteen fifty four and died in

1452
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:49.439
eighteen sixty nine. Mary Prichard Stiegelmann a person who was

1453
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:51.520
born in eighteen seventy eight and died in nineteen forty.

1454
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:55.479
Mary Cappellini pega, oh, there you go, there's some Italian name.

1455
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:57.600
Got to be MOB related, a person who was born

1456
01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:59.840
in eighteen ninety eight and died in nineteen eighty one.

1457
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.560
And Leo Terris Terrence a person who was born in

1458
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:08.039
nineteen twenty eight and died in nineteen eighty one. Throughout

1459
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:11.239
their investigation, detectives collected numerous pieces of evidence from the

1460
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.239
crime scenes, including energy drink cans. Well, he would need

1461
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:19.000
them for this amount of theft, Yes, is seriously insane.

1462
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.199
Chell mentioned the stirring the break to me, just said, like,

1463
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:24.600
do you hear about that? I was like, what a hundred?

1464
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:29.560
A hundred and Chill is not the type to embellish

1465
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:33.760
or believe embellished news stories. Like if you heard a hundred,

1466
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:35.560
if somebody just said and passed like, yeah, a hundred

1467
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.520
skeletons got stolen from whatever, you'd look it up right away.

1468
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.920
You'd want to know that it was really one hundred, yeah,

1469
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:44.439
and not like thirty and some people say one hundred.

1470
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:47.720
I was like what And I was like, immediately, we

1471
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.760
have to add that to the spooky news, like holy crap,

1472
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.000
but including energy drink cans, cigarettes, a pair of glasses,

1473
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.159
a zip tie, and.

1474
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.920
Tools one zip tie just.

1475
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:07.479
A single solitary sad zip tie or a zip time.

1476
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.399
In late December, as the investigation continued, police in planes

1477
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:14.279
Township and Yayden were both made aware of a tip

1478
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.640
that had been submitted to the Lancaster City Police Department.

1479
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.439
The tip, which was submitted on December twentieth, twenty twenty five,

1480
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:26.000
identified Jonathan Gerlatch as a possible suspect in the Luzerne

1481
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.640
County mausoleum robbery. Hmmm, according, I want to know. There's

1482
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:31.600
so much I want to know.

1483
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:32.680
Yeah.

1484
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.119
I want to know what kind of car he drove.

1485
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:39.119
Yeah, I guess he drove into the cemetery, obviously.

1486
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.359
I want to know what tools did he have. I

1487
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.920
want to know where he stored all of these skeletons.

1488
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.079
I think they might tell you that.

1489
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.960
I hope they do. I mean, I hope he doesn't

1490
01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:56.960
keep them in his closet, because I've heard bad things. Yeah,

1491
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.800
I'm fun. I'm fun, okay. According with the Tipsare tipster,

1492
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:05.159
witnesses had spotted a partially decomposed corpse hanging in the

1493
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:10.520
basement of Gerlach's home in Efrada, Pennsylvania. The tipster also

1494
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:16.680
posted Gerlash's Instagram account, which investigators said included posts on taxidermy,

1495
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:22.920
skeleton collecting and sales, oddities and bone museums.

1496
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:28.119
Wow. Yeah, he's just really into this. I get it.

1497
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:29.720
It makes me sad though, because I like, did an

1498
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.760
Oddities expo and people were not like weird like that.

1499
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:34.920
Some of them are mean.

1500
01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:37.039
Well, I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong. They're

1501
01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:39.560
gonna be They're gonna be some, They're gonna be some.

1502
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:43.800
Police also identified Girlash as the suspect in a theft

1503
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.560
at a hardware store in East Earl Township, Pennsylvania, in

1504
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:51.680
which a headlamp and la led rechargeable glowstick, gloves, and

1505
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.760
tools commonly used in burglaries were stolen.

1506
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:58.600
He just really doesn't like like doing things that aren't

1507
01:26:58.640 --> 01:26:59.239
theft him.

1508
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.399
Yeah, he's just like, nah, I gotta steal this stuff.

1509
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:03.520
I don't want anybody to wonder why I bought a headlamp.

1510
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.640
Maybe selling the corpses just ain't going as good as

1511
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:10.560
he was hoping. It's not bringing in the cashola like

1512
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:15.880
you wanted, yeah, investigator, Oh my gosh. Investigators also determined

1513
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.840
Girlash was a member of a human bones and skull

1514
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:24.840
selling group on Facebook I mean of course, and spotted

1515
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:27.840
a post in which a member thanked him for selling

1516
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.039
an item to him.

1517
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:32.600
Wow.

1518
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:38.159
Police also searched through Girlac's cash app account, which showed

1519
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:40.960
a photo of a person holding what appeared to be

1520
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:44.079
a human skull in front of their face, and identified

1521
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.800
Girlash's vehicle, which they said was driven near the locations

1522
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:51.600
and on the dates of the reported cemetery burglaries. According

1523
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:59.720
to the criminal complaints, have you ever seen Return of

1524
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:00.439
the Being Dead?

1525
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:06.279
I get confused about which one that is.

1526
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:07.880
That's the one with all the punk music and the

1527
01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:11.199
punk rockers. No, Oh, you'd actually really like that one.

1528
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.600
Part two. There are two grave robbers, and that's the

1529
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:20.479
things they're going into steal jewelry and to steal like skulls.

1530
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:23.199
And he's like, oh, yeah, you get a lot of

1531
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.720
money for an intered skull. And he's like, well, how

1532
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.560
how would they even know that? The skull was actually buried.

1533
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.720
He was like, you can't sell them a skull that

1534
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:39.880
wasn't buried. It'd be dishonest. You're selling ahead you stole.

1535
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.560
I just always love it, like that's the line. Yeah,

1536
01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:49.560
not dishonest. We're gonna take a quick break and then

1537
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.199
we'll talk all about the arrest of this ghoul. I

1538
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:56.600
just can't get over how like all of the evidence

1539
01:28:56.720 --> 01:29:02.840
is so lined up perfectly cash app. Yeah, you know,

1540
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.880
if he had used cryptocurrency, it would have taken, you know,

1541
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.520
a day longer for them to figure out that he

1542
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:09.880
sold them and got paid.

1543
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:13.359
I mean, he could have also used cash. That would

1544
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:14.600
have taken longer than cash app.

1545
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:26.279
Nobody has cash anymore. Fine, but right after this, all right,

1546
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.079
we're back talking about the Pennsylvania man accused of stealing

1547
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:39.560
one hundred skeletons. It still feels a little surreal to me. Yeah,

1548
01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:41.000
why did you think when you heard that? I mean,

1549
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.359
you're a Filly native, wouldn't you hear?

1550
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:48.840
I was. I was really sad because I don't want

1551
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:53.359
Mount Mariah Cemetery to be robbed. Mm that's that was

1552
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:54.119
my takeaway.

1553
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.279
Yeah, I was really sad that they caught that guy.

1554
01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:01.039
Yeah, because a skull from him exactly.

1555
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:07.880
Yeah, damn. On Tuesday, January sixth, around eight pm, detectives

1556
01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.880
were conducting surveillance in the Philadelphia section of Mount Mariah

1557
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.479
Cemetery on Cemetery and Chester Avenues when they spotted a

1558
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:19.399
vehicle with numerous bones and skulls in the back seat.

1559
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:27.159
That'll do it, do you? I wanted. I wonder and

1560
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:32.239
I do wonder. Did he think that maybe because the

1561
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:37.079
cemetery was abandoned, that it wasn't a crime or something.

1562
01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:40.560
Maybe. I mean the other option is that he thought

1563
01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:42.359
no one would catch him because it's abandoned.

1564
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.119
True. I mean we saw almost nobody when we were there. Yeah,

1565
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:51.039
it's just a huge cemetery. Yeah, I don't know. It's

1566
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:52.399
just like the fact that it's like they just saw

1567
01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:54.640
bones and skulls in the back seat. It's like not

1568
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.479
even the trunk bro not even covered with a tarp baro.

1569
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:01.039
Well, they were in the trunk and then it got full,

1570
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:02.359
so then they were in the back seat.

1571
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:07.720
Oh yeah, hoisted by his own petard his success. It

1572
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:08.560
was his undoing.

1573
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:11.840
Yeah.

1574
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:15.920
The driver, later identified as Jonathan Gerlash, was then spotted

1575
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:21.880
leaving thee was then spotted leaving the cemetery holding a

1576
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:30.159
burlap bag, crowbar and other items. Police said, yeah, investigators

1577
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:34.880
took Gerlach into custody. He then allegedly admitted to stealing

1578
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.920
around thirty sets of human remains. He was trying to

1579
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.720
get away with a lot. It was like it was

1580
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:43.239
like thirty, you know, no big deal, you know, like

1581
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.159
like a Romanian Baker's dozen. Right, They're like, you don't

1582
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:52.199
know what that means. Investigators then executed a search warrant

1583
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:56.199
at his home on Washington Avenue in Ephrada, Ephrada Ephreda

1584
01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:01.600
Epfreida I think Efreida, and recovered one hunt human skeletons,

1585
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:06.399
as well as eight more human remains inside a storage

1586
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:11.079
locker that Girlash owned on East Main Street in Ephrata. Wow,

1587
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.760
according to the criminal complaint, Wow.

1588
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.000
He was getting so big with that he had to

1589
01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:16.720
get a story.

1590
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.399
He was expanding. I mean, he was like going to

1591
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:21.359
become he was like getting ready to become the Walmart

1592
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.760
of corpse theft. Yeah. Well, like, oh my gosh, look,

1593
01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:30.159
I have a friend who collects audit like serious weird oddities,

1594
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:33.079
so much so that I will not say his name

1595
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:40.479
because because the legality of some of this stuff is rocky. Like,

1596
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:44.399
for instance, he moved, he moved warehouses to a new state,

1597
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.159
and then shortly thereafter found out some of the things

1598
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.359
he owned were simply not legal in that state.

1599
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:51.159
Oh wow.

1600
01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:53.520
They were legal in another state, but not that one.

1601
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:54.239
Wow.

1602
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.279
And he had to like talk to his attorney and

1603
01:32:57.279 --> 01:32:59.720
they were like, yeah, you need to just like calmly

1604
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:04.119
and quietly pack that stuff up one night and go

1605
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:06.720
to your warehouse in the other state and just take

1606
01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.960
it there. Yeah. Yeah, just just calmly do that sometime

1607
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:12.199
because because they're not like looking for you, but if

1608
01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:15.960
you if you're flaunting it or whatever, they're gonna get you. Yeah. Yeah,

1609
01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.920
so I'm not And I love that guy. He's a

1610
01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.680
he's a good dude, and but he owns a lot

1611
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:25.159
of weird stuff like that. So like I appreciate that,

1612
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:26.960
Like I would never want any of that.

1613
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:28.399
Yeah, me neither.

1614
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.600
I'm just not that kind of person. It makes me

1615
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:35.159
feel weird the idea. Yeah yeah, so, but you know,

1616
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:39.279
I've known people who've collected like body parts from like

1617
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:46.520
serial killers and stuff. Yeah that's weird. So anyway, quote

1618
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.680
detectives walked into a horror movie come to light the

1619
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.279
other night, guys. Delaware County District Attorney Tanner Rouse said

1620
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.760
during a press conference on Thursday, I love that quote.

1621
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.119
Detectives walked into a horror movie come to life the

1622
01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:01.680
other night. Guys. Yeah, that's a press conference. We still

1623
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:07.119
go yeah, we we we We're more chill about things.

1624
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:11.640
This is an unbelievable scene that no one involved, from

1625
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:14.960
myself to the detectives, to the medical examiners that are

1626
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:17.760
now trying to piece together what they're looking at. Quite literally,

1627
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.399
none of them have ever seen anything like this before.

1628
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:23.720
Ral said, before taking a chair sitting in front of him,

1629
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:28.800
turning it backwards, and sitting on it while facing the ard.

1630
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:33.239
Ral said, some of the stolen So I'm the cool

1631
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:36.119
district attorney, the kind you can wrap about your problems too.

1632
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.760
Ralse said, some of the I love. I can't stop

1633
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:44.359
laughing over. Ral said, some of the stolen skeletons are

1634
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:46.520
hundreds of years old. Like that's what I'm laughing over.

1635
01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1636
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:50.520
Quote now, And that makes sense though, because the really

1637
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.199
old skeletons would be worth a lot of money. M hmm,

1638
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:57.520
because you can there's like a coloring and stuff. They

1639
01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.439
get when they're aged that there's no other way to

1640
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:03.920
get that than being buried for a long period of time. Quote,

1641
01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.159
we are trying to figure out, You're like, I only

1642
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.039
want fresh human remains exactly.

1643
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:09.000
That sounds gross.

1644
01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.000
We are trying to figure out exactly what we are

1645
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.159
looking at, Rause said, we quite simply at this juncture

1646
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:18.960
are not able to date and identify all of them. Well,

1647
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.720
they're dead, so you can't go on a date with them.

1648
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:24.520
That would be weird, it really weird. Yeah. Rause also

1649
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:28.479
said that some of the skeletons are infants and children.

1650
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.600
That would make it weirder too. Quote, it is truly,

1651
01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:36.920
in the most literal sense of the word horrific. I

1652
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.640
grieve for those who are upset by this, who are

1653
01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:42.359
going through it, who are trying to figure out if

1654
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.159
it is in fact their loved one or their child,

1655
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.119
because we found remains that we believe to be months

1656
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:52.159
old infants among those he had collected. Our hearts go

1657
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:57.359
out to every family impacted by this. Yeah, I mean,

1658
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.560
this is not meant to justify anything. I'm just saying,

1659
01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:05.960
at least none of these were recently deceased people. I

1660
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.279
mean that that it still would be horrible. But to

1661
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:12.520
find out like, uh, you know, loved one had been

1662
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:16.119
pulled up. But it's like for the sake of the victims,

1663
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:19.039
I hope that like they're like separated by many generally,

1664
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:21.680
Like it's like, oh, that was my you know, grandfather's father.

1665
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:25.000
I never knew him or you know whatever, just for

1666
01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.359
the sake of like so ghastly. Yeah, I'm just trying

1667
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:30.760
to think of the best case worst of this worst case.

1668
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.520
Well, I mean, the best thing about it is that

1669
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.159
he didn't kill anybody.

1670
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:38.359
That's that's the best thing about most things that don't

1671
01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:42.079
involve killing it. Yeah, this person nobody died, but this

1672
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:43.359
is this involves.

1673
01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:45.800
Dead people, but he didn't kill the dead people. So

1674
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:46.359
that's good.

1675
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.159
Yeah, No, I agree, No, that's good too. I guess

1676
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:53.840
you're just like what's Philadelphia? Almost every story is and

1677
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.760
then someone was murdered exactly like literally all of them.

1678
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.319
Like there's a story about a guy stealing a pack

1679
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.439
of cigarettes. He killed four people on the way to

1680
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:09.119
do it. Unrelated. Yeah, Girlash is currently in custody at

1681
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:12.840
the Delaware County Prison after failing to post one million

1682
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:16.079
dollars in bail. So I guess his business wasn't booming

1683
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:19.800
after all, I guess not. He is scheduled for a

1684
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.279
preliminary hearing on January twentieth, twenty twenty sixth. Oh wait,

1685
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:24.640
so did he have it?

1686
01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:25.760
I assume?

1687
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:28.560
So should I? Should I follow up on that real quick?

1688
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:28.960
Sure?

1689
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:45.039
Let's see girlash preliminary hearing pauh Wow, nearly five hundred

1690
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:57.199
criminal charges? Wow? Holy moley. Let's see four hundred and

1691
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:07.439
ninety six counts uh, it says the preliminary hearing on

1692
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:13.600
January twelth. It is like, but do we know what happened? Man? Nobody.

1693
01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:23.920
Nobody's saying anything. What happened? Nope? Nothing.

1694
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:28.199
It's pretty cool though for me, because that's my courthouse, Like,

1695
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.119
that's where I went to do jury.

1696
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.720
Duty, but not for this case.

1697
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.520
Sadly, unfortunately not I would have stuck around for this,

1698
01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:37.359
but I knew about it so that it probably wouldn't

1699
01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:37.760
have picked me.

1700
01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:42.720
Yeah, probably not. Yeah, unfortunately, other we don't have anything

1701
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.199
about the preliminary hearing. I couldn't find anything. Oh, this

1702
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:49.279
is interesting. So in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware it

1703
01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:56.079
is not illegal to buy or sell human bones. Was

1704
01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:01.399
that signal? I was like, we did it. I wonder

1705
01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:02.199
about Ohio.

1706
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:02.920
I don't know.

1707
01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:07.920
Can you sell human bones in Ohio? I'm on a

1708
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:12.640
list now, yeah, I know, yep, Okay, it's legal.

1709
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.319
Okay, So maybe you're not on a list.

1710
01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:23.119
Don't sell me short. What is illegal is theft and

1711
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:27.560
grave robbery, along with interstate trafficking of stolen goods. So

1712
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.880
what would someone want to do with another person's boats. Well,

1713
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:34.800
there's an entire market for them. The NBC ten investigators

1714
01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:37.279
looked into the trade. While court documents show most of

1715
01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:41.520
the business took place online, the investigators found one Facebook

1716
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:47.800
group has more than five thousand, three hundred people following it. Wow. Man,

1717
01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:50.600
and our weekly Spooky Tomb of Terror only has like

1718
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:51.479
five hundred.

1719
01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:52.720
Wow.

1720
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:55.199
Maybe we should start selling human remains on there.

1721
01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:57.439
I would I would think that that would help.

1722
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.960
People post from all over the world. And the items

1723
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:04.760
are typically a few hundred dollars. See, so you can't

1724
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.560
buy the palazo, but you could buy some human remains.

1725
01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:08.279
I could.

1726
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:11.560
Yeah, I know what you're getting for your birthday? Yeah,

1727
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:15.359
what are you thinking? I mean, a skull's too ostentatious,

1728
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:16.880
Like you want like a hip bone or something?

1729
01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.840
Yeah, or like a little toe.

1730
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:23.319
A little toe.

1731
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:24.880
Yeah.

1732
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:28.079
There are also stores where people can buy human bones,

1733
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:31.439
and where full skeletons can be as much as seven

1734
01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:39.079
thousand dollars. What.

1735
01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:41.960
I'm trying to be nice about all of this because

1736
01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:43.600
I know that there are people who are really into

1737
01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.640
this stuff. So something feels very bad to me about

1738
01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:48.840
buying a person I just don't like it.

1739
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:53.600
Well, it's different if they're alive. That's very illegal.

1740
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:56.760
I mean, I agree that it's different, but I still

1741
01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:57.439
like it.

1742
01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:02.960
No. I like, I get that some people, for some people,

1743
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:07.640
morbidity like that is similar to like my love of

1744
01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:10.279
horror movies or my love of scary stories and how

1745
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.800
I find them cathartic and relaxing or fun or distracting

1746
01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.000
or whatever. I think that it's kind of like how

1747
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.680
some people like the idea of like cremaines on a

1748
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.920
mantle and some people hate it. I think we all

1749
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:29.520
have like our own level of what just works for us,

1750
01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.239
you know. And I think to some people having a display,

1751
01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.399
I mean, it'd be one thing if you're doing something ghastly,

1752
01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:38.239
like using a real human skull for a friggin' ashtray

1753
01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:41.880
or something, you're just weird and edgy. And I don't

1754
01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:46.640
know if I like you, but if you display a something,

1755
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:52.520
maybe that's about you. How you handle the idea of,

1756
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:57.000
you know, being mortal, How you handle the idea of mortality,

1757
01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:59.359
how you handle the idea that we all have to

1758
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:02.279
die someday. Maybe that's what it means to you and

1759
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:04.800
it looks kind of interesting, But to me, the idea

1760
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:11.600
of having like a real human bone makes me uncomfortable. Though,

1761
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:14.680
I'll be honest, if it's older, like if it's a

1762
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.960
thousand years old, it doesn't feel as creepy as if

1763
01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:20.800
it's one hundred years old. Sure, And if it was

1764
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:25.199
like ten years old, I would be mortified, you know, like,

1765
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:27.840
so it's weird and I can't I can't tell you

1766
01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:30.720
why exactly I feel how way, It's just that's my

1767
01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:33.520
initial instinct. Is like if somebody said like, oh, yeah,

1768
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:38.159
this is you know, a human hand like skeleton, a

1769
01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:41.880
hand from eighteen hundred years ago in Egypt or something,

1770
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:43.960
I'd be like, oh, wow, that's really cool. But it

1771
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.319
was like here's a human hand from nineteen eighty six,

1772
01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:49.319
I'd be like, oh, what the hell, man? You know,

1773
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:52.159
it's it's weird. There's a distance does make a difference,

1774
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.800
So I don't know while girl Ash is in custody.

1775
01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:01.239
The investigation is ongoing. Anyone with information on the thefts

1776
01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:05.960
should contact Detective Leah Sesesenik at six' one oh six

1777
01:43:06.079 --> 01:43:09.359
two three one five zero zero or Detective Chris Carr

1778
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:12.680
at six one oh eight nine one four seven zero zero.

1779
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:15.840
I want to put that in there because it is ongoing,

1780
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.239
and it's not often we're talking about something totally ongoing,

1781
01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.359
and we do have listeners in PA. I don't know

1782
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:21.960
how any air in Philly, but I would assume it's

1783
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.640
pretty split between Pittsburgh and Philly. So yeah, if you

1784
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:27.560
have any information, help put this guy away for a

1785
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:31.359
good long while, you know. But thanks for the laughs.

1786
01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:33.880
You were almost as amusing as a woman who poisoned

1787
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:37.479
people with a mushroom, but not quite. And we're going

1788
01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:40.520
to take a quick break now, and when we get back,

1789
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:43.760
we're going to talk about a winter storm. Winter winter

1790
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:48.039
storm that triggered one of the deadliest disasters in Washington,

1791
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:52.880
d C. History, when it hit the Knickerbocker Theater right

1792
01:43:52.920 --> 01:44:05.199
after this. Yeah, so Chell, yes, when you think of

1793
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:10.399
the historic Knickerbocker Theater, what's the first thing that comes

1794
01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:11.159
to mind to you.

1795
01:44:14.239 --> 01:44:18.119
I don't know anything about this oric Knickerbocker theater at all.

1796
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:25.399
Wow. Yeah, Well, as many many people are dealing with

1797
01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:32.439
differing levels of winter storms snow, ice, sleet, I want

1798
01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:35.239
to talk about this article from the Smithsonian Magazine at

1799
01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:40.439
smithsonianmag dot com. The headline is when a winter storm

1800
01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:47.359
triggered one of the deadliest disasters in DC history. Cool. Well,

1801
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:53.119
I think it was cold actually, ah so, but wow, like,

1802
01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:56.319
hold and I'll show you this. This shot of the

1803
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:59.359
collapse theater is pretty daunting.

1804
01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.600
Oh, here's because did snow get stuck on the roof

1805
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:05.680
and then it collapsed?

1806
01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:06.680
Yep?

1807
01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:09.800
Yeah, that's rough.

1808
01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:21.319
It's crazy. It looks crazy. Holy Moly, good golly, Miss Molly. Sorry,

1809
01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:26.960
I'm just weird all the time forever. So let's see.

1810
01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:32.600
It was a seemingly inconsequential homework assignment that saved Charles

1811
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:36.720
Lyman the Third's life on a frigid night in January

1812
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:41.600
of nineteen twenty two, then a fourteen year old prep

1813
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:45.000
school student. Lyman was visiting family in Washington, d C.

1814
01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.479
When a major snowstorm buried the city under almost two

1815
01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:54.800
and a half feet of snow. Oh my god, which

1816
01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:58.439
might be how much Washington, DC gets this from the storm.

1817
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.319
I last I heard it was like a max ofen

1818
01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:04.279
for DC. Yeah, but it could be much less. I

1819
01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:05.479
mean that's what I was hearing.

1820
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:08.119
Yeah, I don't know where the line is because I

1821
01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:11.640
know parts of South Jersey and Delaware are getting a

1822
01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:14.439
lot of mixed precipitation, So I would assume by DC

1823
01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:15.880
it would be a lot of mix.

1824
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:19.880
But yeah, which which could potentially melt the snow away

1825
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:26.239
or turn into ice hell. On Saturday, January twenty eighth,

1826
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:30.079
the second day of the blizzard, Lyman's cousin David, suggested

1827
01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:33.920
spending a cozy evening watching a movie at the Knickerbocker

1828
01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:38.000
Theater in nearby Landyar Heights now known as Adams Morgan.

1829
01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:43.479
I love that this is what was this nineteen twenty two? Yeah,

1830
01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:46.479
nineteen twenty two. I love that they go to see

1831
01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.720
a movie during a blizzard. I don't know, like that

1832
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:54.079
feels so weird to me because it's accurate. Like movie

1833
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:58.840
theaters very seldom close, so like whether it's a holiday

1834
01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:02.960
or weather, if they have power, they tend to just go. Yeah,

1835
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.239
so it is interesting that they're like let's go for

1836
01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:08.720
a cozy time, Let's go to the Knickerbocker Theater. And

1837
01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:10.560
all I'm thinking, He's like, Well, On one hand, I'd

1838
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.039
be like, why not stay helmet. On the other hand,

1839
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:13.439
I bet they could walk there?

1840
01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:16.840
Yeah yeah. And it's snowing, so it's gonna be fun

1841
01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:17.479
to walk there.

1842
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.520
Yeah yeah. Lyman told him to go ahead with a friend,

1843
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:25.159
Kirkland Duke, and promised to join the pair after finishing

1844
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:31.079
his schoolwork. Fuggin nerd Yeah. Trudging through the snow, about

1845
01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:34.000
a half a block away from the theater, Lyman heard

1846
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:39.000
a sudden boom, followed by a chorus of terrified screams.

1847
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:44.880
The Knickerbocker's roof had come crashing down, overwhelmed by the

1848
01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:50.319
weight of the record breaking snowfall. Yeah, that is crazy

1849
01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:56.640
to imagine. In total, the collapse killed ninety eight people,

1850
01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:03.600
including David and Kirkland. That sucks, and injured another one

1851
01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:09.600
hundred and thirty three. Wow. According to Kevin Ambrose, author

1852
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:12.399
of the of a twenty thirteen book on that blizzard,

1853
01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:18.520
the tragedy marked the city's deadliest single day disaster. A

1854
01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:22.560
century later, however, the Knickerbocker Theater remains little known among

1855
01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.359
the denizens of the nation's capital on the night of

1856
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:28.920
January twenty eighth, nineteen twelveh Wait, that's sorry, that's a

1857
01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:34.920
caption under the photo. Holy shoot, Sorry, these images are crazy.

1858
01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:40.239
Look at that, Like the entire roof of the theater collapsed.

1859
01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:45.279
It looks it looks like it's a wall. It's like

1860
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.000
it looks like a big stone wall. It doesn't look

1861
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:49.399
like it was a part of a building at all.

1862
01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:56.600
That's coraw Man, Okay. Quote. It's not common knowledge now,

1863
01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:59.680
says Ambrose. It was a horrendous disaster at the time

1864
01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:06.640
and widely publicized, but over the years it's slowly been forgotten. Lyman,

1865
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.720
who became a rear admiral in the United States Navy

1866
01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.239
and lived to the age of sixty nine, was a

1867
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:17.199
why rear admiral and then age of sixty nine like

1868
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:21.279
Smithsonian knows what they're doing. Yeah, they know what they're doing.

1869
01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:26.319
Was a quote very even keeled kind of person and

1870
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:30.119
didn't express much emotion about the tragedy, says his daughter,

1871
01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.880
ninety two year old Marge Miller, But he did tell

1872
01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:36.840
his family the basic facts about what would later be

1873
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:43.880
dubbed the Knickerbocker storm in honor of the fallen theater man.

1874
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:47.520
The blizzard started out as a slow moving low pressure

1875
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.680
system centered off the Atlantic Coast. It traveled north from Georgia,

1876
01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:55.600
walloping Virginia in the to the Carolinas and dumped the

1877
01:49:55.640 --> 01:50:00.399
heaviest snow a record twenty eight inches on the DCA area.

1878
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:01.359
Wow.

1879
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:04.880
I've told you. When I was growing up, occasionally they

1880
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:07.840
would send me to New Hampshire for Christmas and the

1881
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:10.520
craziest part was just seeing how much snow they got.

1882
01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:12.199
Yeah.

1883
01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:14.720
Yeah, I was used to. I was used to Dayton,

1884
01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:18.359
you know area, So you know, we we'd max out

1885
01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.000
at ten inches and it was very rare in one go.

1886
01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:22.960
So when I got there, like, yeah, it looks like

1887
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:25.079
we're gonna have one to two feet of snow. I'd

1888
01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:26.640
be like, do you mean one to two inches? They'd

1889
01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:29.560
be like, nope, one to two feet.

1890
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:30.640
Wow.

1891
01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:35.680
Yeah. Though the region has experienced severe snowstorms in the

1892
01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:39.560
decades since, during the snow called some Snowmageddon of February

1893
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:43.039
of twenty ten, the Dulles International Airport measured thirty two

1894
01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:47.239
inches of accumulation. The loss of life caused by the

1895
01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:51.880
theater collapse makes the Knickerbocker storm, the worst in DC's history.

1896
01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.479
According to Ambrose, Ooh, here's a picture of an old

1897
01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:58.880
timey car with snow on it. Wow, that's a lot

1898
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:00.159
of snow. It is you.

1899
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.439
Can barely tell that it is a car.

1900
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:06.119
Sort of, I mean, aside from the headlights again and

1901
01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:08.640
then it looks like a car in the car part. Yeah.

1902
01:51:09.720 --> 01:51:12.319
By the night of January twenty eighth, the blizzard had

1903
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:15.600
started to wind down. Braving the snow, more than two

1904
01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:18.640
hundred people walked to the theater to watch a silent

1905
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:23.159
comedy Get Rich Quick Wallingford, which has since been lost

1906
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:24.960
a lot of I don't know if you knew this,

1907
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:27.119
but like a lot of silent films. I think eighty

1908
01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:31.079
percent of silent films are lost. Wow, it's something crazy.

1909
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:33.399
There's a documentary I wish I could remember the name

1910
01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:34.439
of it off the top of my head, but it's

1911
01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:38.960
about how there was a movie theater in Alaska and

1912
01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.520
went out of business at some point in the fifty

1913
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.880
sixty seventy somewhere in there, and it's sat because the

1914
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.000
town doesn't have a very booming economy, so which just

1915
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.159
sat and in the late nineties or something, somebody bought

1916
01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:55.199
it and started cleaning it out and found dozens of

1917
01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:58.159
silent films that had been lost just sitting in their

1918
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.319
basement because it was the little end of the world,

1919
01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:03.920
like the ends of the Earth. Nobody asked for the

1920
01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.800
Prince back when they got to Alaska. It was the

1921
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:08.119
last place they'd send them.

1922
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:08.720
Yeah.

1923
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:12.800
Yeah, and that's very common, like even in more modern times,

1924
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.479
like movie theaters toward the center of the of the

1925
01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:20.159
US often end up like just keeping prints. This was

1926
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:21.600
a long time ago, but they would end up keeping

1927
01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.600
prints in the sixties and seventies and eighties because like

1928
01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:26.760
by the time they reached the middle of the country

1929
01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:29.640
and got their box office, nobody really cared anymore. So

1930
01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:32.079
if you didn't follow up and go, hey, send your courier,

1931
01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:36.319
it would just sit in your basement. Wow, because people

1932
01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:38.800
didn't see a lot of value in that stuff back then. So,

1933
01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:42.479
but yes, they literally found I think it was dozens.

1934
01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:44.560
I don't think it was hundreds, but they found dozens

1935
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:46.479
of silent movies that were lost because they were in

1936
01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:49.560
the basement of that theater. Yeah. So, but yeah, a

1937
01:52:49.600 --> 01:52:53.600
lot of them are lost. Moviegoers paid twenty five cents

1938
01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:57.439
for admission to the Knickerbocker, which Ambrose calls the Titanic

1939
01:52:57.479 --> 01:53:00.840
of Washington theaters at the time, both where it's elegant

1940
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:06.880
style and its fatal vulnerabilities to the forces of nature. Yeah. Yeah,

1941
01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:10.720
I'm curious what twenty five cents was worth in nineteen

1942
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:13.319
twenty two, because that sounds like actually a lot.

1943
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:19.119
I say ten dollars.

1944
01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.720
Dollar inflation calculator. Okay, so it's about four dollars and

1945
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:22.880
eighty two cents today.

1946
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:24.439
Oh jeez, that would have been nice.

1947
01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:27.239
Well, the reason I thought it sounded like lot was

1948
01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:31.039
because I remember when, like in the fifties, McDonald's hamburgers

1949
01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:35.760
were five cents each, So yeah, they started out as

1950
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.159
a nickel. I'm almost sure certain.

1951
01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.640
Huh, Well, movies are more important than hamburgers.

1952
01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:47.119
I mean, I would have to agree. How much was

1953
01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:53.119
a burger in McDonald's fifth Okay, I'm wrong. Fifteen cents? Okay, okay, okay, actually,

1954
01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:55.279
now it makes more sense, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, no,

1955
01:53:55.359 --> 01:54:00.239
that's super duper cheap. Anyway, I love I can't help it, Okay.

1956
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:04.520
Rabbit holes are my thing. It was the most opulent

1957
01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:07.680
and luxurious theater in DC, and it was in a

1958
01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:13.079
very high end part of town, he says, open to

1959
01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:17.840
great fanfare on October thirteenth, nineteen seventeen. The Knickerbocker had

1960
01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:20.560
a seating capacity of seventeen hundred.

1961
01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:22.319
Yeah, so the.

1962
01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.199
Two hundred people there. That was actually small, a small house,

1963
01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:28.359
thank goodness. Most people didn't want to go out in

1964
01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:32.359
the snow, I guess. Yeah, and boasted both a movie

1965
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:36.079
screen and a stage where a live orchestra played music

1966
01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.239
to accompany the silent film of the day.

1967
01:54:38.479 --> 01:54:39.319
Oh that's so cool.

1968
01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:43.199
That was pretty awesome. On the night of the collapse,

1969
01:54:43.279 --> 01:54:46.560
only about eleven of the twenty musicians showed up to

1970
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:47.760
the nine pm showing.

1971
01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:49.039
Yeah yeah.

1972
01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:53.800
Just after intermission, audience members heard a loud, hissing noise

1973
01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:58.199
that some described as the sound of sheets ripping the

1974
01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:01.199
Knickerbocker's flat roof. Oh my god, had a flat roof.

1975
01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:02.920
Well that's why I collapse, I know.

1976
01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:05.479
I mean, I just thought. I just didn't think it

1977
01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:07.359
was that obvious of a flaw.

1978
01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:08.800
Ye No, yeah, yeah.

1979
01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:11.439
Burdened by the heavy weight of the wet snow was

1980
01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.000
starting to split down the middle.

1981
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:16.079
Wow.

1982
01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:19.920
A small dust cloud started leaking from a crack in

1983
01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:24.000
the ceiling above the stage, but went unnoticed by most attendees.

1984
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:29.760
The orchestra kept on playing until the unthinkable happened. And

1985
01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:39.880
we'll talk about that right after this break. We're back

1986
01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:45.920
to the Knickerbocker collapse. Quote. In a split second, the

1987
01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:51.600
entire roof came down in one piece. Ambrose says, Wow,

1988
01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:57.079
it was the worst case scenario.

1989
01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:58.600
One piece though.

1990
01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:03.720
Yeah, oh wow. Here I'm gonna show you this is

1991
01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:05.560
the Knickerbocker in its heyday.

1992
01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:06.359
Wow.

1993
01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:07.199
That beautiful.

1994
01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:08.640
It's pretty good.

1995
01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:12.119
I mean it's not like you know, it's not it's

1996
01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:15.640
very of that time. It's not like trying to look

1997
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:20.840
super European or anything. But it's a huge theater. The

1998
01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:25.119
Sunday Star Star described the collapse in vivid terms. Quote

1999
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:29.239
came a hiss, a terrific crash, the rattle and clatter

2000
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:34.560
of falling timber, stone, steel and plaster. A stillness, an

2001
01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:41.279
unearthly pause followed the din then a scream, an agonized cry,

2002
01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:45.560
a moan beneath tons of steel and masonry. Scores of men,

2003
01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:53.560
women and children were buried. See and nowadays we read

2004
01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:57.760
the news and it's just like, oh, they put two commas. Yeah,

2005
01:56:57.800 --> 01:56:59.840
back then, they were really going for it.

2006
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:02.880
Sucks because that was really that's horrible. But also that

2007
01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.359
was beautiful and I wish that we could right like

2008
01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:05.880
that again.

2009
01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:08.560
It was engaging, and I think that that was the point,

2010
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:10.680
was to get people to engage with the news.

2011
01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:11.640
Yeah.

2012
01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:16.239
Now they just say, like, you know, this theater collapsed,

2013
01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.600
but could another theater be waiting to enter your home

2014
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.319
and kill your family too. Here's how you need to

2015
01:57:21.399 --> 01:57:23.359
vote to fix it. You know, it's just like great,

2016
01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:27.760
you know, just sell us anger. The falling The falling

2017
01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:31.600
roof struck the theater's balcony and knocked down chunks of

2018
01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:34.840
the brick walls. It hit the floor so forcefully that

2019
01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:38.279
a gust of compressed air blew out the doors and windows.

2020
01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:43.800
Oh my god, ejecting at least two people outside and

2021
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:50.000
inadvertently saving their lives. Wow, they weren't kidding. This was

2022
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:54.600
the worst case scenario. Yeah. Other audience members were killed

2023
01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:59.439
instantly or trapped under the rubble of concrete, twisted steel beams, bricks,

2024
01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:04.840
and plasts. In one haunting case, rescuers found an unidentified

2025
01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:09.159
man who'd escaped the collapse physically unscathed, protected by steel

2026
01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:12.439
beams that buckled upward in front of an air pocket,

2027
01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:20.479
but died of an apparent heart attack. All I've got chills.

2028
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:22.560
I don't know about you. I've actually got like goosebumps.

2029
01:58:22.880 --> 01:58:23.239
I don't.

2030
01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:28.319
I'm just called Oh, well, fine, which you mean? This

2031
01:58:28.399 --> 01:58:31.319
is spicy chill. Everybody likes it when they get spicy chill.

2032
01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:38.560
It's true. Sorry. Future World War II General George S. Patten,

2033
01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.840
then a major in the US Army, led the rescue effort.

2034
01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:46.039
He was recovering from an allergic reaction to seafood when

2035
01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:49.359
he was called out of bed to coordinate the complicated undertaking.

2036
01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:53.920
That poor man, that's just the start. The initial scene

2037
01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.800
was chaotic, with survivors and volunteers on the street scrambling

2038
01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.920
to pull people out of the rubble. By midnight, two

2039
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:04.920
hundred police officers, soldiers and firefighters were on the scene.

2040
01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:09.359
By six thirty am, their numbers had ballooned to six hundred.

2041
01:59:10.039 --> 01:59:10.560
Wow.

2042
01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:15.199
A fleet of ambulances from Walter Reed Army Medical Center

2043
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:19.880
helped evacuate the injured, and every hospital in the area

2044
01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:25.079
was filled with knickerbocker victims. Wow, I gotta be straight.

2045
01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:27.039
I'd never heard about this before.

2046
01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:28.760
I mean I hadn't either.

2047
01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:32.399
Yeah, this is the kind of thing that I think

2048
01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:34.399
I've mentioned on the show before, but like I struggle

2049
01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:38.159
with the topics for monthly Spooky. I mean, in my opinion,

2050
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:42.039
the show is mostly about the spooky news. But you know,

2051
01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:43.680
I like the idea that we have like a topic

2052
01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.520
to kind of learn about or deep dive or or whatever.

2053
01:59:47.640 --> 01:59:50.319
And I love history, So learning stuff like this is

2054
01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:54.199
one of my favorite parts of the show. It's why

2055
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:56.560
terrifying and true. Like get when I get too burnt

2056
01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:58.800
out on the true crime, like the heavy, crude true

2057
01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:01.399
crime stuff, I just leave, Like what folklore do I

2058
02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:04.079
want to know about? And that's what becomes the topics

2059
02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:08.159
so I can learn about it. Yeah, because I'm a nerd.

2060
02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:15.119
Several thousand onlookers gathered near the theater to watch in horror.

2061
02:00:15.640 --> 02:00:19.039
According to news reports, Local residents provided hot food and

2062
02:00:19.119 --> 02:00:22.279
coffee for rescuers, and blankets and wraps for the injured.

2063
02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:26.960
Many nearby houses and stores were converted into temporary first

2064
02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:31.680
aid stations. The rescue effort continued into the afternoon of Sunday,

2065
02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:35.199
January twenty ninth. That day, news of the tragedy had

2066
02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:37.479
hit front pages around the world.

2067
02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:39.000
Wow.

2068
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:43.600
Among the tragedy's victims was Agnes Mellon, a clerk at

2069
02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:47.079
the National Geographic Society, who rushed into the knickerbocker with

2070
02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:52.880
her boyfriend James Hoffman just as the roof collapsed. She

2071
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:55.359
was crushed to death, but he was blown out into

2072
02:00:55.359 --> 02:00:59.920
the lobby and survived. In an ironic turn of events,

2073
02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:04.520
Mellen's body was identified in the morgue by her khaki knickerbockers,

2074
02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:11.560
which were a type of baggy breeches. Another attendee, orchestra conductor,

2075
02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:18.159
Ernesto Natiello, died instantly. His wife Mary survived with minor injuries,

2076
02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.680
but his best friend's nine year old son died later

2077
02:01:21.720 --> 02:01:26.199
that night. Wow violin player Joseph Beal was enjoying the

2078
02:01:26.199 --> 02:01:29.880
fourth day of his honeymoon when Natiello talked him into

2079
02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:34.560
joining the orchestra. On the night of the collapse. Beale's

2080
02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:38.880
new bride, Margaret, opted to stay home. When she received

2081
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:43.239
news of her husband's death the following morning, she was inconsolable.

2082
02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:45.840
See this is why you don't ask people for favors,

2083
02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.319
right Celle, Because you're like, oh God, this will be

2084
02:01:48.359 --> 02:01:51.279
the time I'm like I really need help moving this ladder,

2085
02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:53.680
you know, And then like they die from it. It's like,

2086
02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:55.399
that's because I asked them to come over.

2087
02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:59.359
Yeah. Yeah, and you'll forever feel bad about it. Yeah,

2088
02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:00.000
that sounds right.

2089
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.960
Perhaps the most tragic Knickerbocker stories are those of its

2090
02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:10.119
youngest victims, including Charles Lyman's seventeen year old cousin David.

2091
02:02:10.239 --> 02:02:14.039
A star athlete. He played baseball and basketball at Western

2092
02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:18.039
High School most Saturday's, David and his teammates stopped by

2093
02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:25.439
the Knickerbocker after their ballgames. Man. According to David's nephew Frank,

2094
02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:29.039
now an eighty four year old living in Bridgewater, New Jersey, Hey,

2095
02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:33.279
his family never discussed the tragic loss. David was a

2096
02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:36.840
leader in the community, athletic, smart, and very good looking.

2097
02:02:37.399 --> 02:02:39.680
He was the pride and joy of the family. Frank

2098
02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:44.359
says it must have been a terrible blow. Frank's grandmother

2099
02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:49.199
hired her brother, lawyer William D. Trenholm, to sue the

2100
02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:53.039
Knickerbocker Theater for negligence, but none of the families of

2101
02:02:53.039 --> 02:03:00.079
the Knickerbocker victims received constant compensation despite filing multiple lawsuits. Ah,

2102
02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:05.840
this is a tricky one, you know, because like should

2103
02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:07.680
the building should have been able to handle it, but

2104
02:03:07.720 --> 02:03:11.159
it was more snow than they'd ever seen ever. Yeah,

2105
02:03:11.199 --> 02:03:15.119
so it's hard to like gauge the fault level.

2106
02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:21.640
I guess I'm trying to remember how many square per

2107
02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:24.640
pound thing a roof is supposed to have, but I

2108
02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:26.960
don't really know off the top of my head be

2109
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:31.840
able to support that as It's hard though, But this

2110
02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:34.279
is the one. It's not like there was another theater

2111
02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:35.920
whose roof collapsed, you know.

2112
02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:39.920
I mean there might have been. I don't know, I've

2113
02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:40.319
guessed not.

2114
02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:42.720
Yeah, I don't think so that year.

2115
02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:45.720
So oh that year, Okay, maybe not that year yet. Yeah,

2116
02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:47.279
what if it was like at the bottom, it's like

2117
02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:52.800
every theater in DC's roofs collapsed. Yeah, oh yeah, Miller

2118
02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:57.279
remembers hearing about the financial hardship the situation caused. David's

2119
02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:01.159
father died one year after his son, m and the

2120
02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:05.039
family initially lacked the resources to purchase tombstones for both

2121
02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:10.319
of them. Oh wow, because the Knickerbocker met the building

2122
02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:14.800
codes of the time. Oh, there you go. Yeah, so

2123
02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:18.439
the Knickerbocker was built up to code. Okay, that's a

2124
02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:20.760
tough one, because yeah, then it's like they did everything

2125
02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:22.439
they were told they had to do to make sure

2126
02:04:22.439 --> 02:04:25.319
it was safe, right, you know, so they would have

2127
02:04:25.319 --> 02:04:27.920
no reason to believe it wasn't safe exactly.

2128
02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:29.199
Yeah. Yeah.

2129
02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:32.560
The courts declined to hold any one party liable for

2130
02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:37.079
the collapse. Still, the tragedy brought attention to potentially unsafe

2131
02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:40.800
building codes and practices. Congress, the city, and the courts

2132
02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:47.079
conducted an investigation that concluded the theater had faulty construction. Okay,

2133
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:50.000
oh well, you know, lead it to DC to say

2134
02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:53.000
it was the construction, It wasn't the laws we friggin passed,

2135
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:55.479
you know. No, no, we're always good and not at

2136
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:58.159
all corrupt, not at all, not at all. A grand

2137
02:04:58.199 --> 02:05:02.520
jury indicted Knickerbocker art detect Reginald W. Gear, and four

2138
02:05:02.600 --> 02:05:06.640
others on criminal manslaughter charges. Oh wow, but they were

2139
02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:10.840
never convicted. Both Gear and Harry crandall the owners of

2140
02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:15.119
the Knickerbocker and a host of other local theaters later

2141
02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:21.840
died by suicide. Shit, I'm guessing that that guilt was

2142
02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:22.399
too much.

2143
02:05:22.920 --> 02:05:23.239
Yeah.

2144
02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:29.199
Yeah. The Knickerbocker collapse, the investigation and the public outcry

2145
02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:32.119
that followed led to improvements in DC building codes that

2146
02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:36.239
helped prevent other tragedies like it. These updated regulations mandated

2147
02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:39.840
the use of steel eyebeams and better support for roofs.

2148
02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:44.399
At the Knickerbocker, the steel roof beams rested directly on

2149
02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:50.359
top of the brick walls. Yeah yeah, yeah. Under the

2150
02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:52.720
weight of the snow, says Ambrose, the beams quickly broke

2151
02:05:52.760 --> 02:05:53.640
free from the walls.

2152
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:55.840
Okay, yeah.

2153
02:05:56.159 --> 02:05:58.319
For those who are newer to the show, Michelle is

2154
02:05:58.439 --> 02:06:02.640
a home inspector, so she knows a little bit about

2155
02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:07.880
stuff sometimes. In September nineteen twenty three, a new venue,

2156
02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:11.119
the Ambassador Theater, opened at the site of the raised

2157
02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:16.399
Knickerbocker Theater. After more than four decades in operation, the

2158
02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:20.479
Ambassador was demolished in nineteen sixty nine. A sun Trust

2159
02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:24.600
Bank eventually rose in its place. Today, the site, located

2160
02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:28.600
at the bustling intersection of eighteenth Street and Columbia Road Northwest,

2161
02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:32.039
is home to a plaza. Developers hoping to construct a

2162
02:06:32.079 --> 02:06:34.640
condo building on the lot have faced resistance from local

2163
02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:39.760
activists who cite its importance to the community, particularly the unhoused.

2164
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:43.000
A small historical marker, installed across the street from the

2165
02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:45.399
square in two thousand and six is the only visible

2166
02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:50.680
commemoration of the Knickerbocker tragedy in Adams Morgan. Interestingly, the

2167
02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:54.000
history section of a web page dedicated to the Plaza

2168
02:06:54.399 --> 02:07:03.439
mentions the Ambassador Theater, but omits the Knickerbocker. Wow, this

2169
02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:07.359
is a photo of them removing a body. Great, let

2170
02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:09.359
me see them. You can't see the body. It's yeah,

2171
02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:13.840
But man, I can't believe this has been kind of whitewashed.

2172
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.439
Yeah.

2173
02:07:16.600 --> 02:07:20.479
Josh Gibson, founder of the Adams Morgan Partnership Business Improvement District,

2174
02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.319
points out that the Knickerbocker story quote was the banner

2175
02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:26.760
headline in The New York Times on January twenty ninth,

2176
02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:29.279
nineteen twenty two. The co author of the two thousand

2177
02:07:29.279 --> 02:07:32.720
and six book Adams Morgan Then and Now, he says, quote,

2178
02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:36.199
it definitely got nationwide attention, but it's sort of slipped

2179
02:07:36.199 --> 02:07:40.199
in modern memory. It's not George Washington's slept here kind

2180
02:07:40.199 --> 02:07:43.039
of stuff. But it doesn't make it any less fascinating

2181
02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:50.640
or any less important to learn the backstory. Wow, Yeah,

2182
02:07:51.079 --> 02:07:54.800
that's nuts. So anyway, I found that. I don't know

2183
02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:56.960
if everybody else got because we weren't as there weren't

2184
02:07:56.960 --> 02:07:59.439
as many jokes to crack. But boy, I find stuff

2185
02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:05.600
like that fascinat Yeah, so that's the Knickerbocker Winter Winter

2186
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:11.960
Blizzard tragedy. Wow. Well, we're going to take a quick

2187
02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:14.800
break and then we're going to talk about horror media

2188
02:08:14.920 --> 02:08:18.600
we've consumed screek creepy things on Reddit, and wrap up

2189
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:22.239
the show and head into February and hopefully stay warm

2190
02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:31.720
while we do it. Right after this, all right, we're

2191
02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:37.920
back wrapping up this very snowy January episode of Monthly Spooky,

2192
02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.279
and Shell hurt herself Right as I was saying that,

2193
02:08:40.319 --> 02:08:41.000
what did you do?

2194
02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:43.319
I just poked myself in a way that hurt.

2195
02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:46.640
Do you poke yourself aways that don't hurt a lot?

2196
02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:46.960
Or what?

2197
02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:47.760
Yeah?

2198
02:08:48.039 --> 02:08:50.079
Like this on poking my leg and it feels fine.

2199
02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:57.239
Okay, I stand corrected. Yeah, you win this round. So

2200
02:08:57.640 --> 02:08:59.920
one of the things I love about doing this show

2201
02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:02.760
is when I do the little horror media round up,

2202
02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:07.880
I always realize. I like it helps me realize, like, wow,

2203
02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:09.720
I watched a lot of horror movies in the theater

2204
02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.399
or you know, hey, there weren't that many and I

2205
02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:14.960
didn't realize I saw three horror movies in the theater

2206
02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:17.760
last month. Oh it's a lot. I mean, I think

2207
02:09:17.800 --> 02:09:20.800
that's a decent amount, especially it's not Halloween or anything.

2208
02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:23.319
You know, what are you gonna say?

2209
02:09:23.720 --> 02:09:25.520
No, I don't think I was gonna say anything.

2210
02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:31.880
Actually even better. Yeah, But the first one I saw was,

2211
02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:39.439
of all things, the Ana Konda remake reboots, which wasn't great,

2212
02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:43.640
but it wasn't bad. It just literally felt like they

2213
02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:46.760
had two different movies and they did not mesh at all.

2214
02:09:47.159 --> 02:09:47.439
Wow.

2215
02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.680
They had one movie about these friends who are all

2216
02:09:50.720 --> 02:09:53.960
older now and have responsibilities, but they were at their

2217
02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:56.880
happiest when they were young making little movies together. So

2218
02:09:56.920 --> 02:09:58.800
they go out to make their own Anna Conda movie

2219
02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:00.920
and that has a lot of cute stuff and like

2220
02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:02.279
great sentimental energy.

2221
02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:03.079
Yeah.

2222
02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.439
Then the other thing is like this giant snake thing

2223
02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.960
that that's like, you know, scary, and it's gonna kill everybody.

2224
02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:11.279
So they have this comedy movie that's really sentimental, and

2225
02:10:11.319 --> 02:10:15.560
then the action snake movie thing. They never meshed. They

2226
02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:19.000
just clashed the whole time. So the best way I

2227
02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:23.520
would describe the New Anaconda is a very fun mess. Okay,

2228
02:10:23.920 --> 02:10:26.319
it is a mess, but it is fun. Like there

2229
02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:28.000
was a lot to laugh at, a lot of weird

2230
02:10:28.039 --> 02:10:32.119
moments and funny moments, some good scares and creepy moments

2231
02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:36.159
too good. So I liked it. I did, But yeah,

2232
02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:37.680
it was it was a mess. It was a fun,

2233
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:42.000
fun mess. Then I saw a movie I was very

2234
02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:44.279
excited about from the moment the trailer came out, which

2235
02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:47.399
is Primate. Have you heard about that one? I don't

2236
02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:54.520
think So it's a slasher movie where a chimpanzee gets rabies.

2237
02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:58.800
Oh damn, yeah, yeah, I don't want that at all.

2238
02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:01.840
Yeah, there was. There was one part where it was

2239
02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:04.159
so mad because somebody was trying to shove the ape

2240
02:11:04.199 --> 02:11:07.640
off of something or the chimp off of something, and

2241
02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:09.920
he tried to like shove the ape and it grabs him,

2242
02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:11.960
and I was like, dude, you should have just threw

2243
02:11:12.039 --> 02:11:15.199
water on it. It has rabies. And they'd figured out, well,

2244
02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:17.479
they didn't figure out it had rabies. They somebody said,

2245
02:11:17.560 --> 02:11:22.479
can chimps get rabies? But so, you know, because it

2246
02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:26.680
gets rabies from another animal. It's not that they're totally

2247
02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:31.279
idiotic chimp owners there. They live in Hawaii and technically

2248
02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:34.760
there is no rabies on the island of Hawaii. Okay,

2249
02:11:34.840 --> 02:11:40.279
so they never really explain how a rabies infested weasel

2250
02:11:40.399 --> 02:11:44.479
or something gets gets into its cage. But that's what happens,

2251
02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:48.239
so they would not be worried about rabies, you know,

2252
02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:52.000
and on the island of Hawaii. So but I don't

2253
02:11:52.039 --> 02:11:54.439
consider this a spoiler because it happens immediately. But yes,

2254
02:11:54.520 --> 02:11:55.920
if you're like, I don't know if I want to

2255
02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.920
see the chimpanzee horror movie because I feel like they

2256
02:11:57.920 --> 02:12:00.800
won't deliver what I'm hoping for. A gets ripped off

2257
02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:01.680
in the first two minutes.

2258
02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:03.680
Good, I get so.

2259
02:12:04.359 --> 02:12:10.920
Chimpanzees are strong and terrifying, so I thought it was

2260
02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:13.640
really fun. It had some good scares. It was a

2261
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:17.840
silly slasher horror movie thing with a killer chimpanzee. They

2262
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:22.279
used like the absolute minimal cgi they could. They used

2263
02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:26.920
a animatronic ape and a chimp and a chimp small

2264
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.600
person in a chimp costume. Cool, and I'll be honest,

2265
02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:34.039
my first thought when it started was I was like, wow,

2266
02:12:34.079 --> 02:12:37.600
I thought the chimp would look better. But it didn't

2267
02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:40.680
look like a sci fi original movie or some like

2268
02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.880
Sharknado thing. It looked more like what you'd expect from

2269
02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:46.600
like the eighties or nineties. Okay, so it didn't look

2270
02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:49.960
terrible by any stretch. It just you expect the monkey

2271
02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.239
to look kind of fake, because not all Killer eight

2272
02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:55.600
movies can be Shakma where they had a baboon and

2273
02:12:55.640 --> 02:13:00.000
the baboon was literally so dangerous people kept getting hurt.

2274
02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:02.840
I don't know how you make a low budget movie

2275
02:13:02.920 --> 02:13:06.920
with a dangerous baboon, but anyway, primate a lot of fun.

2276
02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:10.439
If you like slasher movies, it's worth your time. And

2277
02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:13.720
then I saw a movie just recently that blew me away,

2278
02:13:14.920 --> 02:13:17.880
and it was twenty eight years later, The Bone Temple.

2279
02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:21.199
Oh right, it was a second twenty eight years later movie.

2280
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:27.039
Was I thought it would be fine. It was great good.

2281
02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:30.319
I really liked twenty eight years later. But the Bone

2282
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.359
Temple I liked a ton like it was. Really it

2283
02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:36.479
was a simpler story, but it was still very emotional

2284
02:13:36.520 --> 02:13:40.359
and interesting and captivating, lots of action, lots of great performances.

2285
02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:42.920
I really liked it. I'm really sad because it's bombing

2286
02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:47.279
at the box office because they teased a part three

2287
02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.000
that is like what twenty eight days later fans have

2288
02:13:50.079 --> 02:13:56.159
always wanted. Oh and supposedly part three has already been greenlit.

2289
02:13:56.359 --> 02:14:00.640
But Part one didn't break even or barely broke even

2290
02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:03.079
part two is not going to break even, so I

2291
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:06.479
wouldn't be shocked if Sony backs out. Oh no, but

2292
02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:09.439
I hope they don't because I really want one more

2293
02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:12.920
twenty eight years later sequel. But it was really really

2294
02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.000
good that one. I cannot recommend enough. You go out

2295
02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:17.399
and see it if you love horror movies. Maybe not

2296
02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.359
during the heavy snow, just to be safe, you know,

2297
02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:22.600
or at least look at the theater ceiling first or

2298
02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:27.560
the roof first. Yeah, but man, so that was really awesome. Good,

2299
02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:29.479
good month for horror movies in January.

2300
02:14:29.720 --> 02:14:30.760
Good.

2301
02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:41.239
So, but Chelle, do you have any spooky stuff from.

2302
02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:39.960
I do have one thing that I thought was a

2303
02:14:39.960 --> 02:14:43.880
little weird. I actually think will think it's a little

2304
02:14:43.920 --> 02:14:46.079
bit less weird than most people will.

2305
02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:48.760
Okay, but so I'll.

2306
02:14:48.520 --> 02:14:52.399
Try to, you know, get this right offhand. So there's

2307
02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:56.760
this dude or person and they're they're in a oh

2308
02:14:56.840 --> 02:14:59.239
I think they're in a bar with a bunch of

2309
02:14:59.239 --> 02:15:02.720
their friends, and they have a seat open next to

2310
02:15:02.760 --> 02:15:05.479
them that is for their sister who hasn't gotten there yet.

2311
02:15:05.800 --> 02:15:07.720
And this guy comes over and says, hey, can I

2312
02:15:08.039 --> 02:15:10.279
can I take this chair? Or are you guys using it?

2313
02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:16.199
And the poster says, oh, yeah, no, we're keeping it.

2314
02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:18.319
And he looks up and he realizes that he knows

2315
02:15:18.359 --> 02:15:20.840
this guy, and he's like, oh, hey Patrick, and Patrick

2316
02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:23.760
is like, oh, hey, person, I whatever your name is.

2317
02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:26.880
And so Patrick sits down with the with the poster

2318
02:15:27.239 --> 02:15:29.079
and they just chat about like what's been going on

2319
02:15:29.159 --> 02:15:30.920
in their life and shitt and stuff for a little

2320
02:15:30.920 --> 02:15:36.079
while then and stuff, shitt and stuff for a while. Yeah. Yeah.

2321
02:15:36.119 --> 02:15:40.119
So then the poster's sister comes in and he's like, hey,

2322
02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:43.000
this is Patrick. I can't believe we ran into each other.

2323
02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:44.960
And the sister's like, cool, how did you guys meet?

2324
02:15:45.560 --> 02:15:47.399
And they both look at each other and they're like,

2325
02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:51.720
I don't know where I met them. And they realized

2326
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:55.640
they have no idea how they could have met before.

2327
02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:58.600
They're both from different cities. Patrick is only there to

2328
02:15:58.640 --> 02:16:01.800
visit his friends and he doesn't know and the poster

2329
02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:04.199
doesn't know any of his friends. They like go on Facebook.

2330
02:16:04.199 --> 02:16:06.439
This is in twenty nineteen. They like go on Facebook

2331
02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.079
and they're like trying to see if they have any

2332
02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.960
mutuals or anything, and they like can't find any, and

2333
02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:13.880
they don't. They're just like what the fuck? And so

2334
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.039
the poster like, I guess diyes their hair a lot

2335
02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:18.079
and was like, what color was my hair when you

2336
02:16:18.079 --> 02:16:21.000
saw me last? And Patrick says, I, I don't have

2337
02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:25.039
any memories of you at all, and he realizes he

2338
02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:27.319
doesn't have any memories of Patrick. So they have no

2339
02:16:27.399 --> 02:16:31.880
idea what happened except that like when the guy walked up,

2340
02:16:32.159 --> 02:16:34.040
he knew he was Patrick, and he like was really

2341
02:16:34.040 --> 02:16:40.000
excited to see him. So yeah, he never figured it out.

2342
02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:43.559
I usually have some theories or ideas, but that one's

2343
02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:46.799
kind of leaving me kind of gobsbacked, to be honest.

2344
02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:49.440
Yeah, I mean the only thing I could think of

2345
02:16:49.600 --> 02:16:53.079
is that he knows a Patrick and he just like

2346
02:16:53.200 --> 02:16:55.639
got it confused for a second. And this and this

2347
02:16:55.719 --> 02:16:57.719
kid just happened to be Patrick and like he said

2348
02:16:57.719 --> 02:17:01.079
the right name, so they like kind of just ended

2349
02:17:01.159 --> 02:17:03.600
up talking and then realizing that they didn't even really

2350
02:17:03.639 --> 02:17:05.239
know each other. But I don't know, I.

2351
02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:07.319
Think I've actually had something like that happen.

2352
02:17:07.360 --> 02:17:10.920
Actually, yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes.

2353
02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:12.719
You see somebody and you know you know them, but

2354
02:17:12.799 --> 02:17:14.079
you cannot place where.

2355
02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:17.200
Yeah, I mean I've had that happened to me a ton,

2356
02:17:17.639 --> 02:17:20.719
But I'm not super good with faces or names. So

2357
02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:22.840
if someone came up to me and was like, I

2358
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:26.120
know you, I would be like sure, but then I

2359
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:27.760
wouldn't know where I knew them from.

2360
02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:32.360
Yeah, I can. I'm really good with faces, but it

2361
02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:34.799
doesn't always snap instantly. But like I will, I will

2362
02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:38.639
see an actor in a movie, and occasionally, like my

2363
02:17:38.959 --> 02:17:40.840
I'll just see like a flash of like them in

2364
02:17:40.879 --> 02:17:43.159
an outfit or something, you know, okay, and then I

2365
02:17:43.159 --> 02:17:45.000
could just like dig and dig and then eventually be like,

2366
02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:46.959
oh my god, they were in that movie I saw

2367
02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:49.159
four years ago, you know, like yeah, not always, but

2368
02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:52.760
sometimes so I don't know. I think mistaken identity is

2369
02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:57.079
probably it. Yeah, And you know, I mean, like as

2370
02:17:57.159 --> 02:18:00.639
much as we're all beautiful, wonderful snow flakes who were

2371
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:04.479
each as precious as the last, we don't all look

2372
02:18:04.520 --> 02:18:07.440
that different from each other. And a lot of people

2373
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.680
have common names. So it's totally possible that like this

2374
02:18:11.719 --> 02:18:14.000
could be one of the rare instances where two different

2375
02:18:14.040 --> 02:18:16.559
people think somebody else is somebody else kind of like

2376
02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:18.799
they don't quite know, yeah.

2377
02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:20.399
And by the time I'm sure they talk to each other,

2378
02:18:20.760 --> 02:18:22.440
like then then it's like, well then who would he?

2379
02:18:22.600 --> 02:18:25.719
I even have thought this was because or.

2380
02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:28.399
Both of them are too embarrassed to admit they don't

2381
02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:30.760
remember how they met, so they both just go with

2382
02:18:30.840 --> 02:18:33.879
it like they never met at all. Yeah, and they're

2383
02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:37.719
both like, yeah, yeah, because I've I've been guilty somebody. Really,

2384
02:18:38.239 --> 02:18:39.959
I usually remember people though.

2385
02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:42.600
I don't so I usually yeah, sure at that show

2386
02:18:42.879 --> 02:18:45.079
until they say, like at the show where everybody died,

2387
02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:47.479
and I'm like, kind of don't feel like I was

2388
02:18:47.559 --> 02:18:50.200
at that show because I didn't die.

2389
02:18:50.719 --> 02:18:54.280
I mean I met the royal everybody, not the everybody.

2390
02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.840
That one's pretty creepy. I like that. That's creepy. That

2391
02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:01.920
one's scarier than it is creepy. You know why why

2392
02:19:02.040 --> 02:19:06.040
Because it's either some terrifying glitchen the matrix are like

2393
02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:12.200
mind's breaking, or it's awkward social interactions, so exactly terrifying.

2394
02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:16.559
So well done, Shell, well done. Thanks Well, it's time

2395
02:19:16.600 --> 02:19:19.159
for us to wrap up this month's monthly spooky Hope

2396
02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:22.760
everybody is staying warm and safe and comfortable chill. I

2397
02:19:22.799 --> 02:19:25.879
hope you weather the storm very well. I will be

2398
02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:29.239
keeping in touch with you to see who gets the

2399
02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:32.399
most snow. Ye, I'm kind of excited about the snow

2400
02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:34.959
part as long as things don't go haywire. But you

2401
02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:37.479
guys might get ice, so I hope you keep your power.

2402
02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:39.920
Me too. Do you have a plan for if your

2403
02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:40.600
power goes out?

2404
02:19:41.600 --> 02:19:45.639
Be cold? I guess turn my water off. That's it. Yeah.

2405
02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:47.120
I mean, like, are you not going to like gather

2406
02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:50.559
gigs so you can, like, you know, huddle up and

2407
02:19:50.920 --> 02:19:51.440
share heat.

2408
02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:53.639
I mean I would, but she would come to me

2409
02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:54.520
because she'd be cold.

2410
02:19:54.639 --> 02:19:58.360
So it's like, yeah, well, I hope it doesn't come

2411
02:19:58.399 --> 02:19:58.600
to that.

2412
02:19:59.000 --> 02:19:59.360
Thanks.

2413
02:20:00.120 --> 02:20:03.200
If it does, I'm only six hundred and twenty mile

2414
02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:09.399
drive away, great in the snow, in the snow and ice. Yeah,

2415
02:20:09.440 --> 02:20:11.879
and that's you know, just just nine hours of driving.

2416
02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:15.360
So yeah, but thank you all for joining us on

2417
02:20:15.559 --> 02:20:17.959
Monthly Spooky. We do appreciate it. You're always welcome to

2418
02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:22.000
email us at Weeklyspooky at gmail dot com and beyond that.

2419
02:20:22.079 --> 02:20:25.000
I'll see you guys back here tomorrow for this week

2420
02:20:25.399 --> 02:20:30.360
in horror history. So until next month, chill. The final

2421
02:20:30.360 --> 02:20:34.879
word is yours, So like, do you.

2422
02:20:34.879 --> 02:20:37.639
Want me to say yours.

2423
02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:39.719
For I'm so mad at you? That was the joke

2424
02:20:39.799 --> 02:20:42.120
I was going to go for, and you friget.

2425
02:20:43.479 --> 02:21:09.520
Sorry, we'll talk about