Listen in the Dark, It's More Fun That Way!
Weekly Spooky
Weekly Spooky
Your Source for Terror Tales Every Wednesday!
Choose your favorite podcast player
Apple Podcasts Spotify Spreaker Audible Castro RSS Feed
Sept. 4, 2026

Cutting Deep into Horror | The Ritual (2017): Folk Horror, Survivor’s Guilt & the Forest Monster

Cutting Deep into Horror | The Ritual (2017): Folk Horror, Survivor’s Guilt & the Forest Monster
Apple Podcasts Spotify Spreaker Audible Castro RSS Feed
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Apple Podcasts Apple Podcasts Spotify podcast player icon Spotify Spotify Spreaker podcast player icon Spreaker Spreaker Audible podcast player icon Audible Audible Castro podcast player icon Castro Castro RSS Feed podcast player icon RSS Feed RSS Feed
Cutting Deep Into Horror

Key Takeaways

  • Filmmaker Henrique Couto and co-host Rachael Redolfi dive deep into the 2017 Netflix folk-horror film The Ritual on this episode of Weekly Spooky.
  • The discussion explores how director David Bruckner brilliantly blends wilderness survival thriller elements with psychological horror, grief, and eldritch terror.
  • The hosts analyze the film's protagonist Luke and how his crushing survivor's guilt blurs the line between memory and reality as he navigates the haunted Swedish wilderness.
  • Henrique Couto highlights the unique creature design of the Jötunn-inspired monster and how it preys on the psychological traumas and fears of each victim.
  • The episode also compares The Ritual to classics like The Blair Witch Project and Midsommar while breaking down the movie's memorable ending and occult village lore.
The Ritual (2017) is a modern folk-horror favorite that transforms a memorial hike through the Swedish wilderness into a terrifying combination of survival horror, psychological horror, occult worship, mythology, and creature-feature terror. In this spoiler-filled episode of Cutting Deep into Horror, filmmaker Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfirevisit director David Bruckner’s rain-soaked forest nightmare and explain why it belongs in any horror fan’s Halloween-season watchlist and spooky-season podcast queue.

After Rob is murdered during a robbery, Luke joins Hutch, Dom, and Phil on a hiking trip intended to honor their dead friend. What begins as a painful memorial becomes a fight for survival when the men take a shortcut through an isolated forest, discover a ruined cabin containing a disturbing wooden effigy, and awaken with nightmares that feel dangerously real.

Henrique and Rachael examine how The Ritual uses Luke’s survivor’s guilt to blur the line between memory and reality. The convenience store where Rob died begins appearing inside the forest, the group’s exhaustion turns into resentment, and every strange sound in the darkness becomes evidence that something enormous is following them.

The conversation also explores the film’s gradual evolution from a wilderness survival thriller into folk horror and eldritch horror. Henrique and Rachael discuss the buried tent, Hutch’s disappearance, Phil being dragged into the darkness, Dom’s terrifying sacrifice, and the discovery of a hidden village whose residents worship an ancient being in exchange for unnatural immortality.

They dig deeply into the movie’s unforgettable monster design and the idea that the creature uses each victim’s strongest trauma, fear, desire, or belief to force them into submission. Why does it recreate Luke’s worst memory? Why does it tempt Dom with a vision of his wife? What makes Phil immediately kneel before it? And why is Luke ultimately able to resist its command?

Henrique and Rachael also discuss David Bruckner’s horror career, Rafe Spall’s performance as Luke, and the film’s origins in Adam Nevill’s 2011 novel. They break down the burning of the preserved worshippers, Luke’s refusal to kneel, his final confrontation with the creature, and the significance of escaping beyond the forest’s tree line.

Along the way, they compare the movie’s lost-in-the-woods paranoia and deteriorating friendships to The Blair Witch Project, while contrasting its approach to trauma, cult belief, and Scandinavian folk horror with Midsommar. As Halloween approaches, this is a perfect horror podcast deep dive for fans of frightening forests, occult villages, survival thrillers, ancient monsters, and slow-burning supernatural dread.

Inside this episode:
  • David Bruckner’s horror career and the film’s origins
  • Rob’s murder and Luke’s crushing survivor’s guilt
  • The memorial hike and disastrous shortcut through the forest
  • The abandoned cabin, wooden effigy, and invading nightmares
  • Hutch, Dom, Phil, and the collapse of the group’s friendship
  • The hidden village, ritual worship, and promise of immortality
  • The Jötunn-inspired creature and its psychological control
  • Luke’s refusal to kneel and final escape from the woods
  • Comparisons with The Blair Witch Project and Midsommar
Full spoilers throughout.

Next on Cutting Deep into Horror: The Cell (2000).

🎧 LISTEN NOW and subscribe for spine-tingling horror stories every week!

🎉 Unlock exclusive bonus episodes and support the show on Patreon!
👉 WeeklySpooky.com/Join

📬 Contact Us / Submit Your Horror Story!

🎵 Music by Ray Mattis 👉 Check out Ray’s incredible work here !
👨‍💼 Executive Producers: Rob Fields, Bobbletopia.com
🎥 Produced by: Daniel Wilder
🌐 Explore more terrifying tales at: WeeklySpooky.com

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the movie The Ritual (2017) about?

The Ritual follows four old college friends who take a hiking trip through the Swedish wilderness to honor their murdered friend, only to get lost and hunted by an ancient forest monster worshipped by a hidden cult.

Who directs The Ritual?

The Ritual is directed by American filmmaker David Bruckner, who is also known for his work on V/H/S, The Night House, and the 2022 Hellraiser reboot.

Is The Ritual based on a book?

Yes, the film is based on Adam Nevill's acclaimed 2011 horror novel of the same name.

Where can you watch The Ritual?

In the United States, The Ritual is available to stream exclusively on Netflix.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.550 --> 00:00:01.250
Who are you there?

2
00:00:01.590 --> 00:00:03.279
Oh, hi.

3
00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:03.700
Sorry.

4
00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.619
I was just lost. I took a shortcut and I

5
00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:09.720
was coming through here.

6
00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:10.380
Oh, yes.

7
00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:11.220
And I got lost.

8
00:00:11.259 --> 00:00:12.500
Through the woods down there.

9
00:00:12.769 --> 00:00:13.109
Yeah.

10
00:00:13.300 --> 00:00:15.349
And here as well. Yeah. Oh, yes.

11
00:00:15.429 --> 00:00:16.570
I mean, it's all around us.

12
00:00:16.670 --> 00:00:18.750
It's a lot of woods. It sure is. These are

13
00:00:18.789 --> 00:00:21.690
gorgeous woods. We don't get a lot of visitors out

14
00:00:21.730 --> 00:00:22.170
this way.

15
00:00:22.850 --> 00:00:27.539
Yeah. Yeah. You're like the only person I've seen for

16
00:00:27.579 --> 00:00:28.199
like three days.

17
00:00:28.550 --> 00:00:31.170
Unfortunately, that makes you our prisoner.

18
00:00:32.369 --> 00:00:32.509
Oh.

19
00:00:33.429 --> 00:00:36.929
Do not worry. There are many things to enjoy as

20
00:00:36.950 --> 00:00:37.229
you worship.

21
00:00:37.310 --> 00:00:38.329
Oh, God, there's a lot of you.

22
00:00:38.350 --> 00:00:39.070
Yes, yes.

23
00:00:39.310 --> 00:00:39.750
Oh, yes.

24
00:00:40.229 --> 00:00:43.479
Many, many of us. You will have a good time.

25
00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:47.399
You'll get to enjoy the finest in Swedish fish. The

26
00:00:47.460 --> 00:00:52.039
finest in Swedish bitters. We also provide Swedish massage.

27
00:00:52.979 --> 00:00:53.200
Okay.

28
00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.560
And Swedish-style bubs and pick and mix.

29
00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:57.579
What?

30
00:00:58.210 --> 00:00:59.130
I've never heard of that.

31
00:01:00.009 --> 00:01:01.130
Are you from Sweden?

32
00:01:01.990 --> 00:01:02.229
No.

33
00:01:02.789 --> 00:01:08.939
How about a Swedish meatball to enjoy? It's good for protein. Okay. Oh,

34
00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.859
you're noticing the giant creature there.

35
00:01:11.939 --> 00:01:16.280
I couldn't help but notice because it does. It is large.

36
00:01:16.620 --> 00:01:19.920
People think a lot of things about the Swedes.

37
00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:24.879
No, but can we. What is on its head and

38
00:01:25.099 --> 00:01:26.599
why is it staring at me?

39
00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:30.420
On television, people think that the Swedish chef is only

40
00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.969
about four feet tall. But in reality, he is about

41
00:01:33.969 --> 00:01:39.430
14 feet tall and he hungers for not just human flesh,

42
00:01:39.510 --> 00:01:42.650
but the humanity itself.

43
00:01:42.670 --> 00:01:44.200
Oh, no, no.

44
00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.760
Now, come along. The meatballs are almost ready.

45
00:01:50.939 --> 00:01:56.700
This podcast is about why horror scares us. What deep, dark, secret,

46
00:01:56.780 --> 00:02:00.590
scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are frank

47
00:02:00.989 --> 00:02:06.269
and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health. There

48
00:02:06.329 --> 00:02:11.189
are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

49
00:02:11.830 --> 00:02:17.259
sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is Cutting

50
00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.080
Deep into Horror.

51
00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.900
Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror.

52
00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:35.360
I'm your host, Enrique Couto, here with my co-host, Rachel Rodolphe. Rachel,

53
00:02:35.419 --> 00:02:35.979
how are you?

54
00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:36.939
I'm doing good.

55
00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:37.400
Yeah?

56
00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:37.919
Yeah.

57
00:02:38.219 --> 00:02:42.780
So good you wanted to stomp all over my improvs, huh? Yeah, sorry.

58
00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.780
I was not yes-anding very good with you there.

59
00:02:47.150 --> 00:02:49.150
No, you were more just anding.

60
00:02:49.169 --> 00:02:53.009
Yeah. They can't all be winners.

61
00:02:53.030 --> 00:02:55.340
Sorry, guys. Sorry. I'm going to ask to come up

62
00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.460
with the concepts and run with them. Do we need to,

63
00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.340
do we need to roll tape to the time I

64
00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:05.830
let you lead one? Please. No. So, but anyway, uh,

65
00:03:05.909 --> 00:03:09.629
we're here this week, uh, as Halloween is, uh, very

66
00:03:09.770 --> 00:03:14.150
quickly approaching. Yeah. We're talking about a, a film that

67
00:03:14.250 --> 00:03:16.810
I feel it got a little bit of attention, but

68
00:03:16.889 --> 00:03:22.020
maybe kind of, I don't know, kind of. disappeared into

69
00:03:22.060 --> 00:03:25.150
the ether a little bit. But that's the tricky thing

70
00:03:25.169 --> 00:03:28.889
with these. So it's The Ritual from 2017. It's a

71
00:03:28.930 --> 00:03:32.189
Netflix film, so it's available. If you're in the United States,

72
00:03:32.229 --> 00:03:37.659
it's available exclusively on Netflix. And a lot of those

73
00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.300
Netflix movies, it's hard to really gauge how much of

74
00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.639
an audience they got. Not only because there's no box

75
00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.289
office information, but also because you just don't know I mean,

76
00:03:49.330 --> 00:03:51.930
the people I knew didn't seem to watch it very

77
00:03:51.990 --> 00:03:54.289
intently or I didn't hear them talk about it very much,

78
00:03:54.330 --> 00:03:57.810
but who knows how many people discovered it. I feel like,

79
00:03:58.090 --> 00:04:00.990
like we just watched that one Netflix movie, The Last House. Yeah.

80
00:04:01.169 --> 00:04:02.590
I haven't really heard anybody talk about it, but I

81
00:04:02.590 --> 00:04:04.719
have no idea. Maybe it did really, I mean, like

82
00:04:04.740 --> 00:04:06.620
maybe a lot of people tuned in and, you know,

83
00:04:06.659 --> 00:04:08.699
we just didn't, weren't privy to those people.

84
00:04:08.740 --> 00:04:09.599
Didn't hear about it.

85
00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:11.680
But the one nice thing about a Netflix movie is

86
00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.860
that it is relatively accessible. I mean, you know, Netflix

87
00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.139
can be a bit pricey, although they drop the price

88
00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:22.870
a lot with the ads version. So if you want

89
00:04:22.889 --> 00:04:26.449
to watch this film, it is on Netflix and I

90
00:04:26.540 --> 00:04:29.519
do highly recommend you give this one a watch. I

91
00:04:29.540 --> 00:04:33.180
had seen it once before and I didn't remember a ton.

92
00:04:33.220 --> 00:04:35.720
I mean, I remembered a decent bit about it, but

93
00:04:35.740 --> 00:04:37.980
I think I had it confused in my brain with

94
00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.240
another wilderness survival movie that was on Netflix around the

95
00:04:41.259 --> 00:04:44.639
same time. Okay. Because at first I did not recall

96
00:04:44.819 --> 00:04:49.579
any supernatural element at all. Okay. I remembered, like, a

97
00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.980
hunter hunting people. Oh, yeah. And that was something. But

98
00:04:53.019 --> 00:04:54.579
I'm almost certain that was a different Netflix movie. It's

99
00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:57.600
probably also a British movie. This is technically a British movie,

100
00:04:57.620 --> 00:05:01.759
even though the director's American. I'm guessing when it says

101
00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:03.720
a British movie, that just means that the money came

102
00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:04.779
from Britain.

103
00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:06.920
That's got to be it. And I think most of

104
00:05:06.939 --> 00:05:07.899
the cast is British.

105
00:05:08.110 --> 00:05:10.810
Well, sure. But they're supposed to be Brits who go

106
00:05:10.850 --> 00:05:11.389
to Sweden.

107
00:05:11.649 --> 00:05:11.889
Yeah.

108
00:05:11.949 --> 00:05:13.730
You know, I mean, I get that, too. It's just,

109
00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:15.689
to me, it feels like, is it really a British

110
00:05:15.709 --> 00:05:18.899
movie just because the characters are British? That's a good point.

111
00:05:18.980 --> 00:05:21.160
I mean, now if the characters are British in Britain.

112
00:05:21.740 --> 00:05:23.879
That's a British movie. But I would say that it's

113
00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.040
more a British movie if the film is made in

114
00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.699
Britain by British people. But this film is directed by

115
00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.060
David Bruckner, who was born and bred in Atlanta, Georgia.

116
00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:40.350
And David has had a very interesting career. He started out,

117
00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:45.990
relatively speaking, in the micro-budget world, doing a lot of

118
00:05:46.250 --> 00:05:51.360
anthology films. with other filmmakers. Um, the first one, unfortunately

119
00:05:51.379 --> 00:05:52.680
I have not seen this one, but the first one

120
00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:57.319
was called the signal from 2007 and it has three

121
00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.810
interconnected segments. He directed one of them. It's a horror

122
00:06:00.870 --> 00:06:04.089
kind of film, but then after the signal, he did

123
00:06:04.149 --> 00:06:06.310
a short film called talk show, which I could not find,

124
00:06:06.569 --> 00:06:11.250
but then he did, um, a anthology film that became

125
00:06:11.310 --> 00:06:16.389
a big deal, um, called VHS. Didn't we watch VHS?

126
00:06:16.649 --> 00:06:19.810
I don't know. Oh, uh, came out in 2012. We

127
00:06:20.069 --> 00:06:22.949
might have, I really don't know. Uh, if we did,

128
00:06:22.990 --> 00:06:28.389
we watched it closer to 2012 today. And, but VHS was,

129
00:06:28.610 --> 00:06:31.069
was a big deal. Um, and I mean, they're still

130
00:06:31.129 --> 00:06:34.990
releasing like a sequel every single year for, for VHS.

131
00:06:35.709 --> 00:06:37.170
There was one last year and the year before that,

132
00:06:37.189 --> 00:06:40.050
and the year before that they've got to be up to, gosh,

133
00:06:40.170 --> 00:06:43.629
I don't even know how, how far along they are now. Um, Oh,

134
00:06:43.649 --> 00:06:46.879
like it's like a check. Uh, Oh my gosh, yeah,

135
00:06:46.899 --> 00:06:51.879
there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. There

136
00:06:51.899 --> 00:06:56.720
are eight VHS films total, and there's already one announced

137
00:06:56.740 --> 00:07:01.949
for this year and next year. Oh, okay. Damn. So, yeah,

138
00:07:02.089 --> 00:07:05.339
Shudder's basically kind of taken over the reins on producing it,

139
00:07:05.930 --> 00:07:10.750
and it's made by different young filmmakers every go-around. But

140
00:07:10.790 --> 00:07:15.610
the first VHS... It was a pretty new concept, the

141
00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:18.810
idea of making it intentionally analog. But some of the

142
00:07:18.829 --> 00:07:22.629
directors that were involved in VHS were Adam Wingard.

143
00:07:23.629 --> 00:07:24.629
I think I know that name.

144
00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:30.600
He did The Guest, and then he did Godzilla vs. Kong.

145
00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:31.420
Yeah, yeah.

146
00:07:31.579 --> 00:07:33.699
Okay. And he did Blair Witch.

147
00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:34.399
Yeah.

148
00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.160
So he was on there. Ty West was on there.

149
00:07:39.180 --> 00:07:40.079
Do you remember who that is?

150
00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:40.939
I do remember Ty West.

151
00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:41.639
Who's Ty West?

152
00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:43.259
Uh, Pearl and X.

153
00:07:43.939 --> 00:07:46.220
You nailed it. You nailed it. Uh, Joe Swamberg.

154
00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:47.319
That one.

155
00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.000
I don't. Yeah. It figures the one guy I know

156
00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:53.790
in the whole list. Uh, Joe Swamberg went on to

157
00:07:53.829 --> 00:07:56.470
direct an immense amount of films as well as, uh,

158
00:07:56.949 --> 00:07:59.089
as acting in a bunch of movies. Uh, I'm a

159
00:07:59.129 --> 00:08:02.970
huge fan of his for most of his non-horror output, like, um,

160
00:08:03.350 --> 00:08:06.670
drinking buddies and happy Christmas and digging for fire. Um,

161
00:08:08.670 --> 00:08:10.350
those were some of my favorite movies he's done, but

162
00:08:10.389 --> 00:08:14.019
he's done a bunch of really great movies, uh, that

163
00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.439
I've just, yeah, I've always liked, but, uh, so yeah,

164
00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.980
VHS one was kind of a, uh, a big kind

165
00:08:21.019 --> 00:08:24.860
of proving ground for these younger filmmakers. And it's weird though,

166
00:08:24.899 --> 00:08:28.000
saying younger, because as I'm looking at this list, um,

167
00:08:28.579 --> 00:08:32.990
I'm realizing that almost all of them are Gen X, uh, Look,

168
00:08:33.029 --> 00:08:35.830
I turned 40 in like two weeks. So I'm noticing

169
00:08:35.870 --> 00:08:37.629
these things. But it's just funny because it's like saying

170
00:08:37.649 --> 00:08:41.509
like a showcase of younger filmmakers. I'm like, shit, these

171
00:08:41.549 --> 00:08:44.549
guys are about how old I am now in 2012.

172
00:08:44.549 --> 00:08:48.820
Maybe a little younger. They were like in their 30s. Anyway,

173
00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:52.759
it's just a funny observation. But I do remember his

174
00:08:52.820 --> 00:08:57.399
segment in VHS, which was called Amateur Night, being really good.

175
00:08:58.019 --> 00:09:01.539
So he also directed a segment in the film Southbound.

176
00:09:02.179 --> 00:09:06.220
Which was another anthology film. Okay. And I really loved Southbound.

177
00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.860
I thought it was really good. We might have watched

178
00:09:09.899 --> 00:09:13.220
that together. I mean, it was a highway anthology movie.

179
00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:15.139
It kind of rings a bell.

180
00:09:16.710 --> 00:09:18.990
We may not have watched it. I don't know. But

181
00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:23.950
he did a film that I think is very, very underrated.

182
00:09:24.129 --> 00:09:27.269
And then another movie that I don't know how I

183
00:09:27.309 --> 00:09:31.899
feel about it. He did The Night House in 2020.

184
00:09:31.899 --> 00:09:36.399
Which was a film about a woman who is stuck. Well,

185
00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:39.100
not stuck. She's living in a house after her abusive

186
00:09:39.139 --> 00:09:44.139
husband dies. And basically she's haunted by him. And it

187
00:09:44.350 --> 00:09:49.750
starts to reveal a deeper, crazy evil. It's very scary.

188
00:09:49.990 --> 00:09:52.389
And there's something terrifying about the idea of like being

189
00:09:52.450 --> 00:09:54.210
all alone and then realizing you're not alone. But it's

190
00:09:54.230 --> 00:09:57.950
because the person that you wanted to escape is just

191
00:09:58.190 --> 00:10:01.679
still there. Yeah. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's a solid film.

192
00:10:01.940 --> 00:10:04.059
It didn't do super well, but it also came out

193
00:10:04.299 --> 00:10:08.049
in January of 2020. Wait, no, no, no. It came

194
00:10:08.110 --> 00:10:11.230
out in August of 2021. That's right. It was supposed

195
00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:13.250
to come out in 2020. Okay. So the theaters were

196
00:10:13.269 --> 00:10:16.230
still kind of, eh, and it did 15 million at

197
00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:18.029
the box office against 12 million. So it wasn't a

198
00:10:18.269 --> 00:10:22.309
total flop. But then in 2022, he did a little

199
00:10:22.370 --> 00:10:28.299
film called Hellraiser, the 2022 reboot film, whatever you want

200
00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.919
to call it, which a lot of people referred to

201
00:10:29.980 --> 00:10:34.840
as Hulu Razor because it was the Hulu Hellraiser. You know,

202
00:10:34.940 --> 00:10:39.559
I didn't hate the Hellraiser reboot, whatever, but I didn't

203
00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.259
like it very much either. I thought it was a

204
00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.049
very weird decision to make it basically sexless.

205
00:10:49.029 --> 00:10:51.980
Yeah, when you, because you, I still haven't seen it,

206
00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:54.320
but when you told me that, I was like, that's

207
00:10:54.379 --> 00:10:55.220
a decision.

208
00:10:56.019 --> 00:10:57.799
Well, I get that some people are like, we don't

209
00:10:57.820 --> 00:10:59.779
need all this sex stuff in movies anymore. I mean,

210
00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.860
because overall, horror movies are less like that.

211
00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:03.440
Yeah.

212
00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:06.580
They're less focused on nudity and gratuity in that way

213
00:11:06.980 --> 00:11:10.399
as they used to be. But Hellraiser is literally about

214
00:11:10.460 --> 00:11:11.750
sexual gratification.

215
00:11:11.899 --> 00:11:12.159
Yeah.

216
00:11:12.379 --> 00:11:16.429
I mean, that's literally the point of the film. And

217
00:11:16.470 --> 00:11:19.980
I love Hellraiser, but it's literally about a guy who

218
00:11:20.049 --> 00:11:24.379
is so perverted and depraved, the only way he can

219
00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:27.539
find new excitement and pleasure is to open a gateway

220
00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.059
to hell and have his soul ripped apart. That's it.

221
00:11:31.139 --> 00:11:32.840
Yeah, that's the story.

222
00:11:33.139 --> 00:11:34.960
I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought that

223
00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.120
it just kind of was missing a certain degree of

224
00:11:37.139 --> 00:11:42.450
oomph that Hellraiser tended to have. So that's just my

225
00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:46.720
two cents. But that all being said... I really like

226
00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:52.100
this film. Yeah. I was very impressed with how much

227
00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.019
it kind of pulled me around and took me on

228
00:11:56.070 --> 00:11:58.909
the ride. And then it had a very satisfying ending

229
00:11:58.950 --> 00:12:02.009
as well. It does. Yeah. So that was something I

230
00:12:02.029 --> 00:12:06.549
was very happy about. Yeah. So yeah, revisiting this was awesome.

231
00:12:06.590 --> 00:12:09.250
I can't recommend enough people give it a watch. It is,

232
00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:12.759
for lack of a better term, I mean, it's a

233
00:12:12.820 --> 00:12:15.799
horror film, but it's a little bit more of a thriller.

234
00:12:16.590 --> 00:12:19.330
That starts to branch into kind of folk horror.

235
00:12:19.610 --> 00:12:19.929
Yeah.

236
00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:24.289
And it's not super gory, but it has its moments.

237
00:12:24.350 --> 00:12:29.850
They're used very, very precisely. Yes. To make the audience uncomfortable.

238
00:12:30.509 --> 00:12:33.570
It's got the wilderness survival element, which is super thick

239
00:12:33.629 --> 00:12:35.590
for most of the film for the first half, two

240
00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:38.570
thirds of the film. And it's, it's, you know, it's

241
00:12:38.590 --> 00:12:42.169
got a big through line about trauma and guilt and

242
00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:45.460
grief and grief. I mean, I don't even, I don't

243
00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.399
even know if I would say it's about grief only

244
00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:49.899
because it happened. It's so quick afterward. I feel like,

245
00:12:49.940 --> 00:12:51.340
you know, like grief doesn't even have a chance to

246
00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:51.740
kick in.

247
00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:53.220
I guess so.

248
00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.299
I mean, that's, you know, we're splitting hairs because that's

249
00:12:55.340 --> 00:12:58.000
kind of the point of the show. But, but I mean,

250
00:12:58.019 --> 00:12:59.879
I'm with you though. It's like, it's about these like

251
00:12:59.970 --> 00:13:01.789
senses of loss and stuff like that. Yeah.

252
00:13:02.129 --> 00:13:04.190
I guess it would be, it would be more, more

253
00:13:04.309 --> 00:13:07.269
survival's guilt than actual grief.

254
00:13:07.590 --> 00:13:08.110
Survivor?

255
00:13:08.470 --> 00:13:09.889
Survivor. Survivor.

256
00:13:10.070 --> 00:13:15.240
Survivor. Survivor. But yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's a,

257
00:13:15.450 --> 00:13:19.570
it's a solid flick. Um, and, uh, also funny because

258
00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:23.049
it's called a British movie stars, British actors, American director.

259
00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.100
I think an American writer too. Now I have to

260
00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:29.620
know it's, it's written by Joe Barton who, Oh, he's British. Okay.

261
00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.379
So that helps. Okay. And he wrote the Lazarus project,

262
00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:36.080
which I actually liked. Most people did not. Um, But

263
00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.600
and it was shot in Romania, but set in Sweden. Yeah.

264
00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:41.659
So it was actually shot in the Carpathian Mountains.

265
00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:42.720
Yeah.

266
00:13:42.899 --> 00:13:46.450
Yeah. So but it's basically the story of a group

267
00:13:46.470 --> 00:13:52.169
of friends going on. They're on holiday, which is always

268
00:13:52.210 --> 00:13:54.250
blows my mind. These are these young guys who don't

269
00:13:54.289 --> 00:13:56.649
have a lot of they don't have like what do

270
00:13:56.669 --> 00:13:59.139
you keep looking at? You're driving me crazy. Sorry.

271
00:14:00.009 --> 00:14:02.850
I just saw the little ghost over there and it.

272
00:14:03.830 --> 00:14:07.389
Kept grabbing my attention. Your eyes dart over like seven times.

273
00:14:07.409 --> 00:14:12.820
I'm like, what is happening? No, but they basically... They're

274
00:14:12.929 --> 00:14:18.240
on holiday, which that alone, that European concept does not click.

275
00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.360
I don't understand this idea of like, we're just fucking

276
00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.679
off for two weeks. It's like, oh, is that why

277
00:14:24.730 --> 00:14:28.110
your economies are just not good? In the toilet? I mean,

278
00:14:28.129 --> 00:14:34.629
I'm just asking questions. But so they're kind of traveling

279
00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:38.500
around and their buddy is like, let's go to Sweden

280
00:14:38.509 --> 00:14:40.620
and go hiking. Yeah. And they're all kind of like,

281
00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:44.470
I don't know. But then- As we find out right away,

282
00:14:44.509 --> 00:14:49.330
pretty much, their buddy gets killed in a robbery gone wrong.

283
00:14:50.009 --> 00:14:52.990
And that's pretty much the setup of the movie. Now

284
00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:58.340
we have a hiking in the woods, getting lost, and

285
00:14:59.299 --> 00:15:03.039
eldritch horror type deal start happening. And I'm guessing, I mean,

286
00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.320
you probably know more about a lot of, although I

287
00:15:05.379 --> 00:15:07.519
love folklore and I try to learn a lot about it.

288
00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.710
You probably know more about European folklore. Eastern European folklore

289
00:15:10.809 --> 00:15:14.169
or Northern European folklore than I do. Like the monster

290
00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:16.909
in this is based on something of theirs that you've

291
00:15:16.990 --> 00:15:18.789
talked about before that I can never remember the name of.

292
00:15:19.330 --> 00:15:22.480
The thing with the skull head. We'll get into that more,

293
00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.139
you know, a little bit later. But that's basically the

294
00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.659
rundown of the ritual. Yeah. And that's me giving you

295
00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:30.460
one last chance to check it out on Netflix before

296
00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.720
we just tear through it. Ruin it for you. Tell

297
00:15:32.740 --> 00:15:35.440
you every element about it. So, but we're going to

298
00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.740
take a quick break and then we'll, we'll jump into

299
00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.090
what all we think and what all we've dissected from

300
00:15:42.110 --> 00:15:56.649
the ritual right after this. So we're back talking about

301
00:15:56.669 --> 00:16:02.620
the ritual from 2017. And I do not remember the

302
00:16:02.659 --> 00:16:04.929
first time I watched it. I'm sure it was just

303
00:16:05.049 --> 00:16:08.090
like one of those home alone Netflix.

304
00:16:08.690 --> 00:16:09.009
Yeah.

305
00:16:09.049 --> 00:16:11.629
You know, pop it on. Cause I definitely watched it.

306
00:16:11.669 --> 00:16:14.070
Cause I recognize one of the lead actors because he

307
00:16:14.110 --> 00:16:16.049
was also in the big short.

308
00:16:16.730 --> 00:16:17.029
Oh, okay.

309
00:16:17.570 --> 00:16:19.970
And although he was playing an American in that, and

310
00:16:20.029 --> 00:16:24.500
he's actually British. In fact, the lead actor, I think

311
00:16:24.549 --> 00:16:26.720
it's yeah. Rafe Spall, I think is how you say

312
00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:28.620
his name. R-A-F-E.

313
00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:29.960
Oh yeah.

314
00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:30.899
Rafe Spall.

315
00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:31.659
Yeah.

316
00:16:31.740 --> 00:16:32.600
He was in the big short.

317
00:16:32.620 --> 00:16:33.039
That's not a name.

318
00:16:34.289 --> 00:16:38.860
I mean, pretty much. But, yeah, I remembered him. Like,

319
00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.399
that helped me know that I'd seen the movie because

320
00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:42.879
I would think, like, oh, it's that guy from the

321
00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:44.840
big short. Okay, yeah. He was very good in the

322
00:16:44.860 --> 00:16:46.259
big short. Everybody was good in the big short, though.

323
00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.029
But what was the first time you watched it?

324
00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.659
The first time I watched it was by myself, and

325
00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.840
I believe it was, like, in 2020. Yeah, oh, during

326
00:16:55.899 --> 00:16:58.159
the lockdown period.

327
00:16:58.179 --> 00:16:59.360
Yeah, during the lockdown.

328
00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.639
Like, I was looking for something to do, you know.

329
00:17:03.210 --> 00:17:04.450
aside from work.

330
00:17:05.650 --> 00:17:05.890
Yeah.

331
00:17:05.910 --> 00:17:06.829
Aside from DoorDash.

332
00:17:06.869 --> 00:17:10.750
Aside from DoorDash. Cause I was a quote unquote essential worker.

333
00:17:10.869 --> 00:17:12.750
So like I was one of the few people where

334
00:17:12.789 --> 00:17:16.710
it's like, okay, you can go out and do whatever. Like, okay, cool. Um,

335
00:17:16.789 --> 00:17:20.250
but yeah, so I, I sat down alone one night

336
00:17:20.289 --> 00:17:23.279
and watched it with my rats and was like terrified.

337
00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.019
And the reason that I wanted to watch it is

338
00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.640
because I kept hearing how good the creature design in

339
00:17:27.940 --> 00:17:28.759
it is.

340
00:17:28.819 --> 00:17:29.420
Where'd you hear that?

341
00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:34.720
Uh, Just from several friends who had seen it. And,

342
00:17:34.819 --> 00:17:37.559
you know, I'm a huge creature feature kind of person.

343
00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.240
And what I really liked about it, and this is

344
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.299
kind of like jumping into it, is, yeah, this does

345
00:17:43.339 --> 00:17:47.759
have like really great creature design. It does have supernatural,

346
00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:51.440
you know, like folk horror elements to it. But like

347
00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.599
you were saying, like the first half to two thirds

348
00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.619
of the movie is just like survival horror. And I really,

349
00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.349
really dig that because it's very psychological.

350
00:18:01.210 --> 00:18:03.490
Yeah, very, very much.

351
00:18:03.769 --> 00:18:07.210
So, yeah, that was my first impression. So did you,

352
00:18:08.059 --> 00:18:11.319
was there anything that really started to come back to

353
00:18:11.380 --> 00:18:13.140
you when we watched it together?

354
00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:18.440
I mean, the big one was I actually mostly remembered

355
00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:23.579
the robbery gone wrong where his friend gets killed. I

356
00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.539
remembered that and I remembered the imagery of that, how

357
00:18:26.829 --> 00:18:29.759
it would be kind of pushed into the woods how

358
00:18:29.779 --> 00:18:31.460
there were times later in the movie where he would

359
00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.960
like look to the left and it would just be

360
00:18:34.059 --> 00:18:37.400
cut out of the woods would be the like looking

361
00:18:37.460 --> 00:18:40.579
right into that convenience store where it happened i also

362
00:18:40.660 --> 00:18:45.059
remembered the uh creepy house they find and how they

363
00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.339
all wake up and they've all had like different horrible

364
00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:52.059
nights yeah that stuff i remembered very very vividly um

365
00:18:52.579 --> 00:18:55.609
and i remembered some of the creepy the creepy villager

366
00:18:55.660 --> 00:18:58.730
stuff too yeah Although I wonder if my brain like

367
00:18:58.849 --> 00:19:02.289
mushed that up with the remake of Wrong Turn that

368
00:19:02.329 --> 00:19:06.230
came out like a year after lockdown. That was a

369
00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.140
very interesting, I liked it, but it was a very

370
00:19:10.299 --> 00:19:15.420
strange way to go after the Wrong Turn movies being

371
00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.099
what they were. I'm guessing you've never seen a Wrong

372
00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:18.980
Turn movie or have you?

373
00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.410
No, I feel like you showed me one of the

374
00:19:21.829 --> 00:19:25.369
Wrong Turn movies when we were at the cabin a

375
00:19:26.089 --> 00:19:26.549
while back.

376
00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:31.259
It's possible. I've never been a huge wrong turn person,

377
00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.920
but they're nuts. I mean, the later sequels just go

378
00:19:35.019 --> 00:19:38.309
totally haywire. And when they did a remake of it,

379
00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:42.329
which was actually shot around Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati, Ohio. Oh, really?

380
00:19:43.049 --> 00:19:46.769
When they did it, they decided to make them not cannibals,

381
00:19:46.950 --> 00:19:50.339
which just threw everybody for a loop. Yeah. was pretty

382
00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:54.920
much the consistent element of the entire movie series was that. Yeah.

383
00:19:55.349 --> 00:19:58.470
So instead, they were more of a cult and they

384
00:19:58.670 --> 00:20:01.210
sacrificed humans, but it wasn't... And they were like an

385
00:20:01.250 --> 00:20:01.490
old world.

386
00:20:04.289 --> 00:20:07.950
Kind of Celtic cult. Oh, okay. Or maybe Nordic. I

387
00:20:07.970 --> 00:20:09.529
can't remember off the top of my head, but they

388
00:20:09.549 --> 00:20:13.710
were like a very European cult. Okay. So that makes

389
00:20:13.750 --> 00:20:14.769
me think of this film.

390
00:20:14.789 --> 00:20:16.289
Yeah, it's very similar.

391
00:20:16.309 --> 00:20:18.450
In some ways, they kind of like check similar boxes.

392
00:20:18.650 --> 00:20:18.869
Yeah.

393
00:20:19.150 --> 00:20:21.430
So, but yeah, those were the things I remembered right away.

394
00:20:21.670 --> 00:20:21.910
Yeah.

395
00:20:22.950 --> 00:20:27.640
For me, like... Obviously, the monster. I have to agree

396
00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.640
that the robbery scene gone wrong like that. As soon

397
00:20:31.690 --> 00:20:33.869
as that happened, a lot of the movie just like

398
00:20:34.109 --> 00:20:35.569
snapped back for me.

399
00:20:35.769 --> 00:20:36.730
Yeah.

400
00:20:37.789 --> 00:20:41.029
And I think like when when they were in the

401
00:20:41.269 --> 00:20:44.329
like when they first went off into the woods and

402
00:20:44.349 --> 00:20:47.920
they find the like dead elk thing hung up in

403
00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.700
the tree. I really like that had left a really

404
00:20:50.740 --> 00:20:53.180
big impression on me. And so like that came back

405
00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:54.079
to me pretty fast.

406
00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.369
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. So,

407
00:20:59.009 --> 00:21:01.170
and so what made you want to put this? Cause

408
00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:03.569
this is one of, I would say what you pick probably,

409
00:21:03.849 --> 00:21:07.690
I mean, you, you usually dig up what movies we're

410
00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:10.160
going to watch or, or, or pick my brain randomly

411
00:21:10.180 --> 00:21:12.599
and I'll throw a couple titles at you and then

412
00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.559
you kind of run with it. But this is one

413
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:16.440
of like, I would say maybe, what do you think?

414
00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.480
One in five, one in four movies. are straight up

415
00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:20.160
your choices.

416
00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.059
I'd say that's pretty good.

417
00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:23.920
Like you just say, let's do this one. And sometimes

418
00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:26.450
I've never seen it or in this case, like I

419
00:21:26.529 --> 00:21:28.440
kind of remembered it, but I remembered liking it.

420
00:21:28.750 --> 00:21:29.029
Yeah.

421
00:21:29.089 --> 00:21:31.829
Which that is, you know, of a value in and

422
00:21:31.930 --> 00:21:34.930
of itself. So what made you feel like this one

423
00:21:34.990 --> 00:21:36.230
needed to be on cutting deep?

424
00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:42.039
Well, one, because I remember it leaving a really big

425
00:21:42.099 --> 00:21:44.099
impression on me, like the ending.

426
00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:44.480
Yeah.

427
00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.299
And once we got to the end, I remembered like,

428
00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:47.900
oh yeah, that is pretty powerful.

429
00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:48.009
Yeah.

430
00:21:48.819 --> 00:21:52.339
And the other thing is, as silly as it is,

431
00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.539
I thought it would pair really well with Tonight She

432
00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.339
Comes because they're both in the wilderness. And I thought

433
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.619
it's kind of a nice change of pace with, you know,

434
00:22:03.740 --> 00:22:08.009
Tonight She Comes is like really off-the-wall, goofy, kind of like,

435
00:22:08.069 --> 00:22:10.029
what the fuck did I just see sort of thing.

436
00:22:10.130 --> 00:22:12.890
And this is also... kind of like what the fuck

437
00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:15.150
did i just see but in a very very.

438
00:22:14.970 --> 00:22:17.710
Different way yeah yeah well it's it's you know it's

439
00:22:17.750 --> 00:22:19.829
not and it's not like a giant movie but it

440
00:22:19.970 --> 00:22:24.559
is a it is a higher end small movie you

441
00:22:24.579 --> 00:22:27.799
know it's a higher end low budget film and uh

442
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.500
you know probably cost a couple million dollars so it's

443
00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.359
got a lot of gloss and it's got some really

444
00:22:32.420 --> 00:22:36.359
impressive moments and really impressive effects but yeah it has

445
00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:40.150
kind of a wtf-ness to it yeah i would say

446
00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.950
especially because it escalates so... It's kind of in that

447
00:22:45.990 --> 00:22:48.569
way the opposite of Tonight She Comes. It escalates so

448
00:22:48.670 --> 00:22:55.910
gradually that you almost slip into the eldritch horror part seamlessly.

449
00:22:56.470 --> 00:23:00.269
You really do. No, I have to agree because even

450
00:23:00.289 --> 00:23:05.190
the way the creature is revealed to you and to

451
00:23:05.210 --> 00:23:11.640
the characters... is very slow and methodical and piece by piece.

452
00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:15.400
So by the time you get to the full reveal,

453
00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:18.200
you don't even realize that you've seen most of the

454
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.480
creature before in bits and pieces. You just didn't have

455
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:24.059
the full context for it.

456
00:23:24.380 --> 00:23:27.559
And it was manipulating things. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Very much.

457
00:23:27.819 --> 00:23:30.420
And I didn't mention, I should have mentioned, this is

458
00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:33.170
based on a book called The Ritual from 2011, a

459
00:23:33.349 --> 00:23:37.660
British novel by Adam Neville. Very British name.

460
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:37.880
Yeah.

461
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.829
That won some awards and seemed very well liked.

462
00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:42.349
Yeah.

463
00:23:42.690 --> 00:23:45.150
I have not read it. I maybe should because I

464
00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:46.250
like this movie so much.

465
00:23:46.650 --> 00:23:50.049
Like you read books. I've seen your Kindle I gave

466
00:23:50.089 --> 00:23:53.509
you sit on the dresser for actually might be a year. Busted.

467
00:23:53.529 --> 00:23:59.140
Everybody point and laugh. Everybody point and laugh. Oh, they're

468
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.220
looking at me. It's true. It's true. But no, it's

469
00:24:03.259 --> 00:24:08.359
a solid one. And it's in that... cliche space of

470
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.720
the wilderness you know horror oh yeah which is a

471
00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:15.559
cliche for a reason because it is scary to be

472
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.819
away from dial tone it's scary to be away from

473
00:24:19.809 --> 00:24:24.210
modern convenience and modern comfort because we don't realize that

474
00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:29.150
you know a modern convenience is calling for help yeah

475
00:24:29.809 --> 00:24:32.700
because we're so We're so spoiled. We think of convenience

476
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.769
as things that are nice to have. But no, it's

477
00:24:34.809 --> 00:24:37.289
very convenient not to have to run three miles to

478
00:24:37.309 --> 00:24:39.630
the nearest person for help. That's highly convenient.

479
00:24:39.769 --> 00:24:41.309
Very, very convenient.

480
00:24:41.329 --> 00:24:42.410
Yes. It is.

481
00:24:42.490 --> 00:24:43.450
Yeah, it is very convenient.

482
00:24:43.470 --> 00:24:47.549
Because you probably won't die every time you need help

483
00:24:47.930 --> 00:24:49.750
because you have to run a mile or two to

484
00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:52.970
get help. But it sure is a lot easier when

485
00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:55.609
you could just pick up your phone and, you know,

486
00:24:56.049 --> 00:24:58.309
pop them up. Someone will be there in 20 minutes.

487
00:24:58.369 --> 00:24:58.529
Exactly.

488
00:24:58.549 --> 00:25:02.230
Exactly. So, but these guys, they want to go hiking

489
00:25:03.009 --> 00:25:07.759
and for American audiences, it's way more exciting because they're

490
00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:10.859
going to go hiking in Norway, which, you know, for

491
00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:13.279
being in England, although I think they were in Paris

492
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:14.980
at the beginning, I think they were hanging out in

493
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.779
Paris when their friend got killed. I think so. Or

494
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.539
they were in somewhere other than England, I believe. Yeah.

495
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.839
They were already, they'd already started, you know, scurrying around Europe.

496
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.180
They'd already started their holiday.

497
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:24.319
Yeah.

498
00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:28.210
It's funny, though, because like them going to Norway, that's

499
00:25:28.329 --> 00:25:32.470
that's like closer than us going to Colorado. You know,

500
00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:34.650
that's like them going to from where we are to

501
00:25:34.690 --> 00:25:38.559
Wisconsin to hike. But, you know, but for Americans, we're like, oh,

502
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:39.140
that's so.

503
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.279
So exotic.

504
00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:42.940
So exotic. I had to explain that when I produced

505
00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:45.599
that movie in the United Kingdom. I had to explain

506
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:47.279
to Phil. He was like, I'm worried that like the

507
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:49.180
humor is going to be too Scottish or this is

508
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.740
going to be this whatever. And I told him, I

509
00:25:50.740 --> 00:25:53.039
was like, dude, you don't understand. I'm selling this to Americans.

510
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.789
Everything you do is exotic. Yeah. Like we're so excited.

511
00:25:56.809 --> 00:25:59.410
Like film it. Oh, like, oh, you're worried because you're

512
00:25:59.430 --> 00:26:02.029
filming it too much in rural areas. Your rural areas

513
00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:05.130
are like, whoa, I pay good money to see that.

514
00:26:05.569 --> 00:26:08.789
Look at the, look at the English countryside.

515
00:26:08.890 --> 00:26:11.390
That's why I was like, just lean into it. Like, yeah,

516
00:26:11.410 --> 00:26:14.150
because that's all, that's why we're doing it this way.

517
00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:15.450
We can't pay for that here.

518
00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:15.900
Yeah.

519
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:16.519
I mean, I can't.

520
00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:18.019
No. Yeah.

521
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.990
But, uh, We're going to take a quick break and

522
00:26:20.029 --> 00:26:23.329
then we'll jump into some more about the ritual right

523
00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:23.829
after this.

524
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.019
So the movie starts, it opens on our five friends

525
00:26:40.220 --> 00:26:42.339
in a pub discussing, you know, where they want to

526
00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:45.660
go on the next leg of their journey. And one

527
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.289
of the friends, Dom, or no, Rob.

528
00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:50.869
There's so many friends.

529
00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:57.410
He suggests, let's go hiking up in Sweden. They stop

530
00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:00.990
at a liquor store, and Rob and Luke go in,

531
00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:05.210
and that's when there's a robbery that goes wrong, and

532
00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:09.470
Rob gets killed. And Luke was, like, hiding. He managed

533
00:27:09.509 --> 00:27:13.430
to hide behind a shelf.

534
00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:14.660
Yeah, a rack.

535
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.529
A rack. But it is, like... I don't know. For me,

536
00:27:19.549 --> 00:27:23.890
it was a pretty heartbreaking scene because he does have

537
00:27:23.930 --> 00:27:27.380
that moment where he like locks eyes with his friend

538
00:27:27.619 --> 00:27:28.700
before he like dies.

539
00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:29.819
Yeah.

540
00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:33.160
And you do see throughout the rest of the movie,

541
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.400
it's reflected in he kind of carries that with him

542
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:40.460
throughout the rest of the film.

543
00:27:40.849 --> 00:27:41.480
Yeah.

544
00:27:42.250 --> 00:27:44.269
So that's, you know, a huge, huge moment.

545
00:27:44.769 --> 00:27:45.329
I mean, who wouldn't?

546
00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:46.450
Yeah.

547
00:27:46.569 --> 00:27:50.450
No, I mean, it's kind of the big punctuating, you know,

548
00:27:50.470 --> 00:27:52.190
or not punctuating because that would end it. But, you know,

549
00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:54.650
it's kind of the big, I don't know, I'm not

550
00:27:54.670 --> 00:27:56.410
sure what the term would be. Inciting.

551
00:27:56.609 --> 00:27:57.450
Inciting incident.

552
00:27:57.509 --> 00:27:57.730
Yeah.

553
00:27:57.829 --> 00:27:58.089
Yeah.

554
00:27:58.190 --> 00:28:02.269
It's an inciting incident into the emotional side of the

555
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:06.339
story that's being told as opposed to, you know, the

556
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:12.279
drama that's unfolding with the horror elements and stuff like that. Yeah.

557
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:12.380
Yeah.

558
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.089
So they go on this hike. They go to the

559
00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:21.329
peak and kind of have a little ceremony, a ritual

560
00:28:21.829 --> 00:28:23.769
where they sit there and like pour one out for

561
00:28:23.829 --> 00:28:25.769
Rob and set up his picture.

562
00:28:25.789 --> 00:28:29.450
Well, before Rob died, it wasn't even a popular choice.

563
00:28:29.529 --> 00:28:31.349
Like none of them were really into the idea of

564
00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:34.690
going hiking in the middle of nowhere in northern Sweden. Yeah.

565
00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:36.890
But now they're doing it to honor him. Just for him.

566
00:28:37.170 --> 00:28:40.549
Yeah. So and that's another thing is, you know, this

567
00:28:40.630 --> 00:28:44.240
is the first ritual of many. that is included in

568
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.559
this movie. So I like the way that it's kind

569
00:28:47.619 --> 00:28:53.480
of layered on top of each other. So as they're

570
00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:59.079
coming back down the mountain, Luke and one of the

571
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:04.039
other friends, they do notice like often the distance down

572
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.769
in the woods, they see like fire, like it could

573
00:29:07.809 --> 00:29:12.430
potentially be a lodge or, you know, people down there.

574
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.660
But it's way off in the woods. And they kind

575
00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:17.099
of like just note that.

576
00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:21.640
So that's not when they saw the chalet, right? No.

577
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:22.599
That's a different moment.

578
00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:24.740
Okay. Because the chalet is when they realize that's where

579
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:25.500
they have to hike to.

580
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:26.339
Yeah.

581
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:28.700
No. And I know what you're talking about because there's

582
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:32.049
another point after they've gotten in the woods where they

583
00:29:32.069 --> 00:29:33.589
see fire again.

584
00:29:34.569 --> 00:29:35.329
Don't they? No?

585
00:29:36.130 --> 00:29:40.140
I think you're confusing. The moment when they're on the

586
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.500
top of the big hill and they see a cross

587
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.240
on another big hill, it's not in the woods.

588
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:45.819
Oh, okay.

589
00:29:45.859 --> 00:29:47.920
That's the chalet. That's where they're heading because they even

590
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.500
say like, I didn't think we'd be that close so soon.

591
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.819
But then they realize that because the way the hike goes,

592
00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:56.140
they have to take this long route to get to it.

593
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.910
And then they're starting to, you know, get, tired of

594
00:29:58.940 --> 00:30:01.150
this crap. So that's what leads them to take the shortcut.

595
00:30:01.490 --> 00:30:03.569
So no, what they're seeing is the, yeah, the, the

596
00:30:03.630 --> 00:30:06.650
fires at the chalet that they were, they were hiking toward. Yeah.

597
00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:11.150
But it, it does, it does go wrong when the

598
00:30:11.190 --> 00:30:14.420
next day, one of the guys like twists his ankle.

599
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.039
He busts his knee, I think.

600
00:30:16.059 --> 00:30:18.859
He busts his knee. And so at first it was like,

601
00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.059
we could take a shortcut through the woods because then

602
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.720
it would be so much faster to get to the chalet.

603
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.519
But then it was, Well, now we have to take

604
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.549
the shortcut through the woods because he literally can't make

605
00:30:30.589 --> 00:30:32.509
it the whole way all around.

606
00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:35.309
And he's kind of the the bitcher of the group.

607
00:30:35.349 --> 00:30:37.049
He's always complaining about something.

608
00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.789
Yeah. Yeah. So he was he was very pleasant to

609
00:30:41.829 --> 00:30:45.490
be around as as he's complaining about his busted up knee.

610
00:30:46.289 --> 00:30:50.759
But so that's that's what leads them to take a shortcut,

611
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:55.420
quote unquote, through the woods, which is always a great decision.

612
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.039
Never.

613
00:30:57.059 --> 00:30:58.619
I mean, shortcuts are the best.

614
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.269
And I loved... Because you and I have talked about it,

615
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.140
you know, personally, I think we've talked about it on

616
00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:12.309
the show. But I love the way they filmed the

617
00:31:12.369 --> 00:31:15.289
woods in this. Because, you know, you and I have

618
00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:18.170
had the discussion that woods is woods. You can kind

619
00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:20.569
of point a camera in any direction and you get

620
00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:26.029
lost visually in it. And they... lean into that very,

621
00:31:26.089 --> 00:31:31.309
very heavily with this movie because they will play with,

622
00:31:31.529 --> 00:31:36.349
you know, how narrow the field of vision is between

623
00:31:36.390 --> 00:31:38.950
the trees and just like you can hardly see anything

624
00:31:38.990 --> 00:31:41.240
between the trees or between the branches and you kind

625
00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:44.640
of like lose the guys as they're walking down the path.

626
00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:46.940
I just think it's really effective.

627
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.579
Well, what they did as far as I could tell

628
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:54.039
was they went for a lot of deep photography. Yeah.

629
00:31:54.289 --> 00:31:57.970
Which means, you know, the opposite of shallow photography. So

630
00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:02.410
by having more of the visual plane in focus, it

631
00:32:02.450 --> 00:32:05.660
makes it harder to differentiate the trees and how far

632
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.599
away some are from the ones that are close by.

633
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.480
So it makes everything look more dense and close together.

634
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.140
It compresses everything together.

635
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:14.319
That's a good word for it.

636
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:15.319
Yeah.

637
00:32:15.339 --> 00:32:17.910
I mean, that is definitely an element. I mean, and

638
00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:23.430
the forest is just, that's a very thick, dense forest anyway. Yeah.

639
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.339
Cause the, the whole mantra of woods is woods comes

640
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.099
from the fact that you can kind of point the

641
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.869
camera anywhere once you're in the woods and it's very

642
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:34.890
hard for the audience to get their bearings at all. Yeah. So,

643
00:32:35.329 --> 00:32:37.150
and that's true. I mean, unless you have a tree

644
00:32:37.190 --> 00:32:42.269
that looks very, very peculiar or it's troll too, and

645
00:32:42.329 --> 00:32:45.920
they do their, they do their cutaways in a spruce

646
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.819
forest when everything else was in a regular forest.

647
00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:54.059
But we all can't be a masterpiece like that film.

648
00:32:54.339 --> 00:32:56.160
Exactly. Exactly.

649
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:05.170
No, so it immediately, there's a stark contrast from when

650
00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:07.589
they're on the trail, you know, up in the mountains

651
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:10.220
and everything, like you can see the sky and you

652
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:13.359
can see all around you and then bam, they're in

653
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.220
the woods and you can like can't hardly see like

654
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:17.980
two feet in front of your nose.

655
00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:20.680
The contrast is really strong because it's all wide open

656
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.680
spaces and then it's all the opposite of wide open

657
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.779
spaces from the moment they start the the shortcut that's

658
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.259
a really good.

659
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:33.289
Point yeah um and and almost immediately they discover something

660
00:33:34.089 --> 00:33:36.869
and this like i said once when we were watching

661
00:33:36.910 --> 00:33:40.109
this together once this happened i was like oh yeah

662
00:33:40.829 --> 00:33:45.670
um as they're walking along They see something suspended up

663
00:33:45.710 --> 00:33:50.230
in the trees, and so they turn around a bend,

664
00:33:50.710 --> 00:33:55.680
and there's a giant elk, dead, suspended in the trees.

665
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.839
And it's recently been killed. It is still bleeding.

666
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.420
Yeah, it reminded me of the movie Predator.

667
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.480
Yeah.

668
00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:08.300
Because it's hung up in the trees. It's a good

669
00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:11.840
10 feet above the ground. It's not like when hunters

670
00:34:11.909 --> 00:34:14.670
dress an animal by hanging it off a branch.

671
00:34:15.150 --> 00:34:16.309
No, it's like way up there.

672
00:34:16.349 --> 00:34:18.389
Yeah, it would take an incredible amount of effort to

673
00:34:18.429 --> 00:34:18.789
do that.

674
00:34:19.489 --> 00:34:21.489
And it's a very large creature. It's not like a

675
00:34:21.550 --> 00:34:24.289
white-tailed deer where you could be like, oh, you could

676
00:34:24.329 --> 00:34:27.230
kind of get it up there. No, it was a

677
00:34:27.309 --> 00:34:31.769
very large creature. So they're all freaked out about it.

678
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.239
They notice like there's sigils and runes around. And then

679
00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:40.699
the one friend who's, like, really level-headed, he's the one

680
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:43.980
who points out, like, guys, the blood is fresh. It's

681
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.750
still dripping blood. Whatever killed this thing is probably still around.

682
00:34:50.449 --> 00:34:51.329
We should all leave.

683
00:34:51.690 --> 00:34:52.969
Yeah, we should keep moving.

684
00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:54.010
We should keep going.

685
00:34:54.150 --> 00:34:54.969
Yeah.

686
00:34:55.289 --> 00:34:58.010
And so they all leave, and they're immediately talking about, like,

687
00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:00.489
are there bears in the area? I mean, because you're

688
00:35:00.510 --> 00:35:06.230
in— Switzerland like what else Sweden Sweden uh what else

689
00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:06.929
would it be.

690
00:35:06.769 --> 00:35:10.369
Yeah I mean I I'm not even sure how many

691
00:35:10.429 --> 00:35:13.679
bears they have in Sweden but even so I mean

692
00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:16.099
bears have been known to do some weird stuff but

693
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:19.019
they don't tend to be doing it 12 feet off

694
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.639
the ground but they have even more things to worry

695
00:35:22.699 --> 00:35:24.739
about which we'll talk about right after.

696
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:39.659
This One of the great things about being out in

697
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:43.760
nature is how quickly the weather changes. Can't you agree?

698
00:35:43.780 --> 00:35:48.789
I mean, I think it's much more aggressive when you're

699
00:35:48.809 --> 00:35:50.349
in mountains and stuff, though.

700
00:35:50.469 --> 00:35:51.389
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:54.190
Than if you were in the plain states like we

702
00:35:54.329 --> 00:35:58.489
often are. Yeah. But, I mean, being outside, yeah, the

703
00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:00.460
weather is a thing.

704
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.400
It's a constant factor. And it is also a factor

705
00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:08.679
for our friends in the forest. Uh, I did not

706
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.639
mean for there to be so much alliteration there, but

707
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:11.199
it happened.

708
00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:12.699
I was going to let it go, but okay.

709
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.989
Uh, cause like after they move off from finding that,

710
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.889
that elk high up in the trees, it starts raining

711
00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:24.489
and it gets worse and worse and worse. And like,

712
00:36:24.510 --> 00:36:29.349
it's getting dark and they managed to find some kind

713
00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:31.750
of shelter. It's like a shack cabin.

714
00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:33.590
Yeah. It looks like a hunting cabin.

715
00:36:33.650 --> 00:36:40.090
Yeah. And, um, It's locked up. One of the friends

716
00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:43.050
manages to like break down a window so they can

717
00:36:43.070 --> 00:36:45.269
get in or break in a door so they can

718
00:36:45.289 --> 00:36:51.860
get in. And pretty instantly, everyone's on guard because once again,

719
00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:55.639
there's runes and sigils everywhere and like stuff hung up.

720
00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:00.130
But that's not the worst of it. Because then they

721
00:37:00.170 --> 00:37:05.150
go upstairs and there's a room upstairs and there's something

722
00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:07.769
in one of the rooms. One of the guys finds

723
00:37:07.849 --> 00:37:10.269
it and he like kind of screams and like calls

724
00:37:10.349 --> 00:37:16.059
everybody up. And it's a giant like wicker man effigy,

725
00:37:16.820 --> 00:37:21.019
but it's got like antlers for arms.

726
00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:22.039
Yeah. And no head.

727
00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:27.780
And no head. So that begins an argument of like,

728
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.659
do we really want to stay the night here or not?

729
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.590
But the other option is we go back out in

730
00:37:32.619 --> 00:37:34.559
the woods and, where it's raining.

731
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.670
And it's the middle of the night now.

732
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:36.780
And it's the middle of the night.

733
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.000
Yeah, that's not ideal.

734
00:37:38.059 --> 00:37:40.340
That's not a good choice either. And there could be

735
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.219
bears or whatever did that to the elk. So they

736
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.659
all decide to stay in here. And that's when we

737
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:55.179
start to get acquainted with how odd the flashbacks slash

738
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.130
hallucinations to the robbery are.

739
00:37:59.489 --> 00:37:59.949
Right, right.

740
00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:04.760
Because it's not like regular flashbacks are. It's like the

741
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:11.659
memory tears its way into the forest and, like, superimposes

742
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.179
itself into the forest almost.

743
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.710
Okay. That's a really cool way to put it.

744
00:38:17.010 --> 00:38:21.530
So, yeah. So our guy, Luke, he goes down to

745
00:38:21.590 --> 00:38:26.429
sleep and dreams that he opens up a door, but

746
00:38:26.690 --> 00:38:31.769
the door opens to the, you know, the liquor store.

747
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.099
where the robbery happened and his friend got murdered.

748
00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:38.940
It's the first time we get this, like, reality-bending thing

749
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.019
where the world around you opens up to a nightmare

750
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:44.420
memory of sorts. Yeah.

751
00:38:45.139 --> 00:38:48.880
So he walks through this nightmare memory and then comes

752
00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:54.760
to hearing screaming and then realizes he's outside of the cabin,

753
00:38:55.659 --> 00:38:59.469
runs back in. Two of his friends are still down

754
00:38:59.530 --> 00:39:03.219
on the main floor. One of them's Like, pissed himself.

755
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:03.920
Yeah.

756
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.039
And the other one is babbling and screaming for his wife, Gail.

757
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.260
Yeah, he keeps yelling, Gail, Gail.

758
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:10.500
Gail, Gail.

759
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.980
And that's the friend who has the injured knee who

760
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:16.380
is a bit of a complainer. Yeah. As we mentioned.

761
00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:21.150
But the other friend is nowhere to be found. But

762
00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:23.469
then he hears, like, a voice coming from upstairs. So

763
00:39:23.550 --> 00:39:25.730
he goes up there and his other friend is, like,

764
00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:31.039
dressed down with skivvies or even like totally buck naked.

765
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.579
I can't remember. And prostrated in front of the effigy,

766
00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:37.659
like praying in tongues.

767
00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:39.039
Yeah.

768
00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:39.139
Yeah.

769
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.139
I mean, you pretty much, that's, I mean, what more

770
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:43.280
can you say to that?

771
00:39:43.300 --> 00:39:44.139
That's about it.

772
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.159
Was he whipping him? I remember he, I don't know

773
00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:49.340
if it was clear how he got all these marks

774
00:39:49.429 --> 00:39:50.289
on him, but he has marks.

775
00:39:50.309 --> 00:39:51.469
But he does have marks on him.

776
00:39:51.530 --> 00:39:51.750
Yeah.

777
00:39:52.090 --> 00:39:55.409
And we need to mention that when Luke wakes up initially,

778
00:39:55.429 --> 00:39:59.030
his chest is covered in blood and he's got like

779
00:39:59.050 --> 00:40:00.280
these bloody marks on it.

780
00:40:00.289 --> 00:40:00.409
Yeah.

781
00:40:00.429 --> 00:40:01.340
It almost looks like.

782
00:40:01.610 --> 00:40:02.599
He's been punctured.

783
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:02.920
Yeah.

784
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.079
Like there's like a few, like a few bloody dots

785
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.239
circling another one.

786
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:07.460
Like.

787
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:10.769
Yeah. Like could. almost be a bite, but not quite.

788
00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:18.349
Yeah, it's just a weird concentric circles. So they immediately

789
00:40:18.409 --> 00:40:22.179
are like, okay, it is time to leave now. We

790
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.320
should have left before. Now we need to leave now.

791
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:30.219
But the problem is following the trail would take them

792
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.860
like way longer. And Dom, the friend with the injured knee,

793
00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:37.889
he wants to take a different trail that he feels

794
00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:43.639
is going to be much, much faster. But that, again,

795
00:40:44.469 --> 00:40:51.559
kind of causes a little fight between the guys. And

796
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.840
this is the part of the movie where, now that

797
00:40:55.940 --> 00:41:01.239
I have a little more of a horror education, I

798
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.269
was starting to get.

799
00:41:04.909 --> 00:41:07.730
I was reminded a little bit of the infighting in

800
00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:09.289
the Blair Witch Project.

801
00:41:09.750 --> 00:41:13.030
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that, you know,

802
00:41:13.929 --> 00:41:18.139
the Blair Witch Project pretty much nails the kind of

803
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.699
like frustration of being stuck in the woods and you're

804
00:41:20.780 --> 00:41:24.179
hungry and you're lost and everything. And I feel like,

805
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.219
you know, anybody, it'd be very easy to compare just

806
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.880
about any film that tries to accurately depict how people

807
00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:33.039
get in that way. But I agree.

808
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:33.139
Yeah.

809
00:41:33.409 --> 00:41:36.329
And especially because they're hungry and they're wet, you know,

810
00:41:36.349 --> 00:41:40.050
because that's the other thing is it's very, very wet there. Yeah.

811
00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:43.349
I mean, it's been pouring rain. They basically have no food.

812
00:41:43.909 --> 00:41:44.170
Yeah.

813
00:41:44.289 --> 00:41:45.670
It's a bad time.

814
00:41:46.349 --> 00:41:49.050
They tried to, like, build a fire in the, like,

815
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.519
wood stove in the cabin, but there was no, like,

816
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.239
wood to burn. So it was not a good time.

817
00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:55.679
No.

818
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:02.440
So as they're trying to make their way through the forest, Luke...

819
00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:08.710
climbs up a ridge above everyone to, like, get a

820
00:42:08.730 --> 00:42:12.010
better view, try to, like, be a lookout and see

821
00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:16.760
if he can kind of discern where they're going. And

822
00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:21.699
while he's up there, he sees something in the trees.

823
00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:26.920
And it's one of those things where, like, you almost

824
00:42:27.019 --> 00:42:30.320
miss it. You see a hand, and it starts to move,

825
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.889
but then your brain tells you, That hand is 16

826
00:42:35.889 --> 00:42:36.710
feet off the ground.

827
00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:40.510
Yeah. It's high up and it doesn't make any sense

828
00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:41.269
to be there.

829
00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:44.230
Like, how would it be? And it just moves and

830
00:42:44.250 --> 00:42:47.699
then hides behind a tree. And it freaks us out.

831
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.699
It freaks Luke out. But what freaks Luke out even

832
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.719
more is his chest begins bleeding again. So he runs

833
00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:58.420
back down to the rest of the guys and starts

834
00:42:58.460 --> 00:43:00.070
trying to tell them, like, what he saw.

835
00:43:00.889 --> 00:43:01.409
And this.

836
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.420
is when things really blow up because now Dom is

837
00:43:07.539 --> 00:43:10.699
even more upset because Luke is like pulling their legs.

838
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:11.460
Yeah.

839
00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:17.159
And he's starts accusing Luke saying like, we wouldn't even

840
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.269
be here if you had saved Rob.

841
00:43:21.130 --> 00:43:25.530
And that's where things start to get really hinky because

842
00:43:26.449 --> 00:43:31.309
that level of vitriol is really not, not appropriate.

843
00:43:31.329 --> 00:43:31.389
No.

844
00:43:32.409 --> 00:43:37.570
And it, but it's being slung and it's the first

845
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:41.530
of many that we'll dig deeper into right after this.

846
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.809
The group of friends kind of trudges along in very

847
00:44:00.030 --> 00:44:01.769
awkward and hurt silence.

848
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:03.920
That's a good way to put it.

849
00:44:05.500 --> 00:44:09.360
And Luke does, he like bolts ahead and the rest

850
00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:13.320
of the guys are barely keeping up with him. But Hutch,

851
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.340
the friend that's kind of like the mediator, the level-headed one.

852
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.179
He's... Yeah, well, that's getting tested quite a bit too.

853
00:44:21.219 --> 00:44:25.820
Yeah, he's really pulling his weight in the group. So

854
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.340
he's kind of like trying to lead the other guys

855
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.550
and keep them all together. And then they all... find

856
00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:39.630
something there's like this mossy overgrowth and they all stop

857
00:44:39.730 --> 00:44:43.550
at it because they realize that it's strange they start

858
00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:47.789
to peel back the moss and they find a tent yeah.

859
00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:51.369
And it i mean it is buried underneath brush and

860
00:44:51.510 --> 00:44:55.610
leaves and it's clearly been there a very long time

861
00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:58.829
very very you know compost is built over top.

862
00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:02.690
Of it basically um like the forest is done reclaiming

863
00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:04.389
this it is part of the forest.

864
00:45:04.090 --> 00:45:05.969
Now yeah that's a way to put.

865
00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:10.500
It so they keep digging and they find they find

866
00:45:10.539 --> 00:45:14.599
a wallet open up the wallet and the credit card

867
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.260
expired in 1984 i mean that's a that's a which

868
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.909
is a little that's a little while ago so the

869
00:45:21.949 --> 00:45:27.250
guy's they get a little more distressed because they're like, okay,

870
00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:30.869
this is kind of proof that people get lost out

871
00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:34.369
here a lot. But Dom is saying this is proof

872
00:45:34.409 --> 00:45:37.690
that we're getting more and more close to the lodge

873
00:45:38.230 --> 00:45:41.769
because that would be the only explanation for why people

874
00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:44.489
would be camping out here in the first place.

875
00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:49.570
Okay. And I can see the argument, like the idea

876
00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:53.039
that Your first instinct is, of course, going to be

877
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.019
that these people died. Yes.

878
00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:55.400
Right?

879
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.500
Yeah, yeah.

880
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:02.340
But if you want to be generous, it doesn't actually

881
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.199
bring that much more comfort. Because if you want to

882
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.469
be generous about it, then the other thing will be, or...

883
00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:12.920
Whatever came after or scared these people or what have

884
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.090
you was just scary enough that they left literally everything,

885
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:20.889
including a single shoe and their documents, their wallets, their everything.

886
00:46:20.949 --> 00:46:21.170
Yeah.

887
00:46:21.730 --> 00:46:24.150
Which isn't that much more comforting.

888
00:46:24.730 --> 00:46:28.010
I would venture to say it is not more comforting.

889
00:46:28.429 --> 00:46:28.670
Yeah.

890
00:46:28.989 --> 00:46:31.190
At all. I mean, that's just my two cents. Yeah.

891
00:46:31.210 --> 00:46:33.030
You know, I have a feeling. I have a feeling.

892
00:46:33.469 --> 00:46:39.230
So, again, the guys are arguing and... You start to

893
00:46:39.349 --> 00:46:44.429
get the sense, as they're arguing more and more, this

894
00:46:44.510 --> 00:46:48.730
is not just the stress of them trying to survive.

895
00:46:49.889 --> 00:46:54.300
This is the more they start to see in the forest,

896
00:46:55.059 --> 00:46:58.780
the more they're all getting on edge because something is

897
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:03.889
going on. So that night, Hutch and Luke are kind

898
00:47:03.929 --> 00:47:08.730
of talking and Unfortunately, the other guys cannot keep up.

899
00:47:09.389 --> 00:47:10.869
Yeah, they're dragging.

900
00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:14.349
They're like, and Hutch is like really worried for Dom

901
00:47:14.369 --> 00:47:18.710
because Dom like is a complainer and he's like a crybaby.

902
00:47:18.909 --> 00:47:23.650
But like he is not doing well either. Like they

903
00:47:23.710 --> 00:47:27.210
know they're friends. So they decide that it is up

904
00:47:27.289 --> 00:47:30.730
to Luke. In the next morning, he should go ahead.

905
00:47:30.929 --> 00:47:33.610
The guys will stay behind. He should go ahead and

906
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:34.090
find help.

907
00:47:34.449 --> 00:47:34.679
Yeah.

908
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.960
Yeah, which would help, you know, I mean, which would

909
00:47:36.980 --> 00:47:38.599
be a wise move. Yeah.

910
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:44.809
But they can't really enact that plan. They go to

911
00:47:44.869 --> 00:47:49.210
sleep that night. Luke has another liquor store nightmare. But

912
00:47:49.369 --> 00:47:53.309
things are starting to change because now the nightmare knows

913
00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:53.949
he's there.

914
00:47:54.769 --> 00:47:58.860
Yeah, which is, it sounds kind of like a stupid

915
00:47:58.940 --> 00:48:03.300
turn of phrase if you don't see how it's done.

916
00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:09.059
the first few times he has these nightmares, these flashbacks, these, whatever,

917
00:48:09.460 --> 00:48:12.260
that's just what they are. They're, they're flashbacks. It's playback.

918
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.719
And now all of a sudden, as things are happening,

919
00:48:16.179 --> 00:48:21.210
the people in, in, in these memories are noticing him watching.

920
00:48:21.929 --> 00:48:24.889
And it is very off putting when they first kind

921
00:48:24.929 --> 00:48:28.469
of look over and see you watching as the audience

922
00:48:28.750 --> 00:48:31.809
and then being his perspective. It kind of reminds me

923
00:48:31.949 --> 00:48:35.769
of in, funny games when the bad guy in there

924
00:48:35.909 --> 00:48:38.250
suddenly just looks right at the camera and talks to

925
00:48:38.269 --> 00:48:40.869
the audience and it like startles you like oh god

926
00:48:40.889 --> 00:48:41.829
he knows I'm here.

927
00:48:42.110 --> 00:48:45.920
I'm glad that you pointed that out because as you

928
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.139
were talking I realized what one of the things that

929
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.539
is so unsettling about that scene is the the robber

930
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.230
that killed Rob that kills his friend the Rob Robber

931
00:48:59.289 --> 00:49:03.739
the Rob Robber He, you know, like, bashes his head in,

932
00:49:04.469 --> 00:49:08.469
looks at Luke, but we're the camera. And he does

933
00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:10.960
look dead in the camera. And I think that's part

934
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.869
of why it's so unsettling is because he makes eye

935
00:49:13.869 --> 00:49:16.409
contact with us. And he looks at Luke and he

936
00:49:16.409 --> 00:49:22.760
he growls in this demonic voice coward which is just

937
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.800
cruel and it's just like your subconscious to do that

938
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:34.780
to you Luke wakes up and he hears screaming and

939
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:38.050
Hutch is missing It's the dead of night. They all

940
00:49:38.090 --> 00:49:40.469
start like scrambling around, try to find him, but they

941
00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:45.289
realize like that's worse. So they huddle up in the

942
00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:47.869
darkness and like wait out the night.

943
00:49:48.869 --> 00:49:49.329
Which is.

944
00:49:50.250 --> 00:49:50.789
That's great.

945
00:49:50.809 --> 00:49:55.150
I mean, like there's kind of a desperation there. Yeah.

946
00:49:55.289 --> 00:49:59.429
To that. Yeah. Not not my first choice for what

947
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.280
to do to handle the situation. But I mean, what

948
00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:04.159
else can you do but wait and see? And the

949
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.360
fact that the strongest of them both. As a hiker,

950
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:11.820
as a navigator, as well as just physically, he's, at

951
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.909
that time, was the least injured, the least exhausted. You know,

952
00:50:16.949 --> 00:50:20.650
having him get cut out is quite a blow. Yeah.

953
00:50:20.929 --> 00:50:21.309
It was a.

954
00:50:23.329 --> 00:50:26.150
Less than ideal loss, I suppose.

955
00:50:26.570 --> 00:50:30.030
I think that's a fair way to put it. Almost

956
00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:31.190
too fair.

957
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.960
But it gets worse because they do find Hutch again.

958
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:37.199
Yeah.

959
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:43.159
And it's not the way, well, unless you really hate

960
00:50:43.219 --> 00:50:46.829
these characters, it's not in the way you're hoping that

961
00:50:46.849 --> 00:50:52.469
they'll find him. And wait, his name's Dutch, isn't it? No,

962
00:50:52.530 --> 00:50:55.409
it's Hutch. Sorry, my brain was like, wait, Dutch?

963
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:56.460
I wish it was Dutch.

964
00:50:56.500 --> 00:51:00.260
Because that would tie into Predator. And we'll explain why

965
00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:01.760
right after this.

966
00:51:15.269 --> 00:51:21.889
So we find Hutch, but he's not alive anymore. He's

967
00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:22.610
not doing too good.

968
00:51:22.650 --> 00:51:25.170
No, not per se. Not per se.

969
00:51:26.190 --> 00:51:29.179
And remember that elk earlier?

970
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:30.300
Oh, yeah, that elk.

971
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:30.840
Yeah.

972
00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:34.940
Well, he has now also been eviscerated and hung up

973
00:51:35.059 --> 00:51:39.400
like 16 feet up high in the tree. And he's like,

974
00:51:39.980 --> 00:51:42.159
the thing about him and the elk, and we'll see

975
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:48.869
other victims later, They're not just suspended, they're like impaled

976
00:51:49.530 --> 00:51:51.860
in the tree and suspended from the tree.

977
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:56.679
Yeah, I don't remember seeing exactly how they're held up

978
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.519
per se. Yeah, per se. Just saying per se all

979
00:51:59.539 --> 00:52:01.000
the time.

980
00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:04.900
Per se. But yeah, so I noticed this watch through

981
00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:07.500
that they're like impaled like in branches and stuff.

982
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:09.360
Yeah, definitely.

983
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.199
And on this watch through, it reminded me of a

984
00:52:14.260 --> 00:52:19.739
kind of bird. There's these birds, they're commonly called butcher birds.

985
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:22.019
Oh, perfect. Great.

986
00:52:22.989 --> 00:52:26.570
And it's as awful as it sounds. So butcher birds

987
00:52:26.750 --> 00:52:30.510
are technically songbirds. They don't have like sharp talons or

988
00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:34.369
beaks or anything. So what they do to kill their

989
00:52:34.409 --> 00:52:37.699
prey is they'll catch it and then they'll find like

990
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.190
thorns on branches and just impale it. And... leave it

991
00:52:43.269 --> 00:52:46.110
there and when they get hungry they just have a

992
00:52:46.170 --> 00:52:49.989
cache of food that they'll just go to and there's

993
00:52:50.030 --> 00:52:52.989
so it's just this tiny little bird that like kills

994
00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:57.480
things by impaling it and looking at looking at hutch

995
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.280
up in the tree i was just very very reminded

996
00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:05.119
of that because you have something that is just leaving

997
00:53:05.380 --> 00:53:09.329
prey up in a tree and it just reminded me

998
00:53:09.369 --> 00:53:12.250
of that very very much I don't know if that

999
00:53:12.289 --> 00:53:15.139
was an inspiration, but I would like to believe that.

1000
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.599
I mean, nature is just the worst. It can be gross.

1001
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.480
It can be gross.

1002
00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:24.739
It can be. It really is just, yeah, you know,

1003
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.340
just A minus. Or A minus. I meant D minus.

1004
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.820
D minus. I stand by that. Just no thank you.

1005
00:53:32.070 --> 00:53:32.849
No thank you.

1006
00:53:32.969 --> 00:53:33.510
On the....

1007
00:53:34.989 --> 00:53:40.469
So the remaining guys, we've got Dom... And Luke, and

1008
00:53:40.489 --> 00:53:42.690
I can never remember the third guy's name.

1009
00:53:43.389 --> 00:53:46.449
That's fine. That's fine. It's just some guy's name. Just

1010
00:53:46.489 --> 00:53:47.650
some guy.

1011
00:53:47.809 --> 00:53:48.489
I think it's Peter.

1012
00:53:48.510 --> 00:53:56.800
Let's see, there's Luke, Phil. Is Phil the one who died? No,

1013
00:53:56.860 --> 00:53:57.420
it's Phil.

1014
00:53:57.539 --> 00:54:01.219
Phil is the one who's still left. So we've got Phil, Dom,

1015
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:06.719
and Luke. They're still left. But as much as they

1016
00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:12.739
want to just leave... They also can't imagine just leaving

1017
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:13.340
Dom there.

1018
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:18.159
Yeah, of course not. I mean, there's something inherently awful

1019
00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:21.090
about leaving your friend's body, especially when you haven't even

1020
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.550
had the time to really comprehend that they're gone. Yeah.

1021
00:54:24.829 --> 00:54:26.889
You know, it's really horrific.

1022
00:54:27.670 --> 00:54:31.730
So, against better judgment, they take him down. They do

1023
00:54:31.769 --> 00:54:34.750
take the time to, like, cover his body, but that

1024
00:54:34.769 --> 00:54:40.820
means that They've just spent way more time in this

1025
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.079
really dangerous, dark, difficult-to-navigate forest.

1026
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.340
Burning daylight in a place where only horrific things happen

1027
00:54:49.460 --> 00:54:49.880
at night.

1028
00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:55.500
Yeah, and the person that was their navigator, they just buried.

1029
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:03.099
So they really should get going. They start making their

1030
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.789
way through the darkness. And this is where the movie, again,

1031
00:55:06.969 --> 00:55:10.610
really rewards you for being paranoid and looking in the

1032
00:55:10.670 --> 00:55:17.989
background because you see this giant shape just slowly moving

1033
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.719
behind them. And you can't parse out, like, exactly what

1034
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.420
it is. It's just ginormous.

1035
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.340
I was just laughing at you saying it really rewards

1036
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.760
your paranoia because you're right. Like, that's completely accurate.

1037
00:55:31.940 --> 00:55:34.380
And they do, like, they see lights out in the distance.

1038
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:39.739
Luke again, being kind of the ostracized one, he goes

1039
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:42.039
off to try and like figure out what's going on.

1040
00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:46.130
Now that's the ostracized one, not the ostrich sized one. Yes.

1041
00:55:46.769 --> 00:55:47.349
We'll get to that.

1042
00:55:47.429 --> 00:55:53.090
It's important to have a delineation there, but not a desalination.

1043
00:55:54.070 --> 00:55:55.349
Not a desalination.

1044
00:55:55.429 --> 00:55:55.590
Yes.

1045
00:55:57.769 --> 00:56:04.300
So when, when Luke gets back, uh, He can't find

1046
00:56:04.340 --> 00:56:10.179
Dom anywhere. Phil's just crouched in the shadows, like under

1047
00:56:10.219 --> 00:56:13.780
a bush, just shaking. And when Luke like tries to

1048
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.420
get to him, he's like, what's happening? He just gets

1049
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.269
dragged away into the darkness like a rag doll.

1050
00:56:19.989 --> 00:56:20.250
Yeah.

1051
00:56:20.510 --> 00:56:20.650
Yeah.

1052
00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:26.409
And it's it's very sudden and it's a perfect escalation

1053
00:56:26.469 --> 00:56:30.579
because so far everything's happened when you turn away. This

1054
00:56:30.619 --> 00:56:34.909
is the first time we've actually witnessed something happening before.

1055
00:56:34.949 --> 00:56:37.369
It seemed like everything always happened when everybody was asleep.

1056
00:56:38.449 --> 00:56:41.449
And now it's, it's really interacting with them.

1057
00:56:41.989 --> 00:56:42.449
Yeah.

1058
00:56:43.150 --> 00:56:46.739
But Luke doesn't really have a chance to help Phil

1059
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.980
because as he's trying to like get through the forest,

1060
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.380
he stumbles forward and he's back in the liquor store

1061
00:56:53.900 --> 00:56:57.030
and he has to like push his way through the

1062
00:56:57.070 --> 00:57:01.070
liquor store and like knock over aisles to be able

1063
00:57:01.110 --> 00:57:03.210
to get back into the forest just so that he

1064
00:57:03.230 --> 00:57:09.289
can find Dom. And so his reality is very quickly breaking.

1065
00:57:09.730 --> 00:57:11.349
Yes. Yeah. Very, very much.

1066
00:57:11.789 --> 00:57:17.340
And the two of them, they now know like it's

1067
00:57:17.409 --> 00:57:21.059
now or never. So they're like, we, you know, on

1068
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.429
the count of three, we have to just haul ass

1069
00:57:24.449 --> 00:57:27.469
through the woods toward the light and just try to

1070
00:57:27.510 --> 00:57:28.730
get out of here.

1071
00:57:28.849 --> 00:57:30.449
Yes, run toward the light.

1072
00:57:31.050 --> 00:57:33.030
I mean, if you've got a better plan, I'd love

1073
00:57:33.070 --> 00:57:33.449
to hear it.

1074
00:57:33.889 --> 00:57:37.679
I mean, you know, whenever I've heard people yell run

1075
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:39.360
toward the light, it's always been a good idea.

1076
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:47.320
So one, two, three, they bolt. And as they're running

1077
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:51.159
through the woods, they can hear the creature around them.

1078
00:57:51.550 --> 00:57:55.550
And again, your paranoia is rewarded because it's not just

1079
00:57:55.730 --> 00:58:00.829
forest noises anymore. You can hear something. And it feels

1080
00:58:00.929 --> 00:58:02.289
like it's hurting them.

1081
00:58:02.309 --> 00:58:03.309
Yeah.

1082
00:58:03.610 --> 00:58:08.389
And as they're running, they find Phil, again, dead, impaled,

1083
00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:10.829
suspended up in the trees. And they don't even have

1084
00:58:10.869 --> 00:58:11.889
time to react now.

1085
00:58:12.289 --> 00:58:15.610
No, no. There's, I mean, really, there's only enough time to...

1086
00:58:17.590 --> 00:58:20.829
Like what's, what's, what's less than reacting. There's only enough

1087
00:58:20.869 --> 00:58:24.929
time to like acknowledge it, you know, to go, that's, that's,

1088
00:58:24.969 --> 00:58:25.530
that's that.

1089
00:58:25.610 --> 00:58:28.710
And then, and then just run. They, they find a

1090
00:58:28.789 --> 00:58:33.099
lit path. They find a small, like little cabin thing

1091
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:37.579
and they run into it. What's appears to be safety. Um,

1092
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.159
and have a short moment of like, what the fuck

1093
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:43.219
just happened to Phil?

1094
00:58:44.139 --> 00:58:44.860
Very short moment.

1095
00:58:44.900 --> 00:58:47.559
Very short moment. Um, Someone comes up behind him and

1096
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:52.559
just knocks them both unconscious. So apparently the safety they

1097
00:58:52.579 --> 00:58:53.900
thought they found was not so safe.

1098
00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:00.349
Well, which, you know, thank goodness that it seemed so

1099
00:59:00.449 --> 00:59:04.869
welcoming and nurturing before then, you know, they thought they

1100
00:59:04.869 --> 00:59:07.090
found safety. I mean, you know, that's a stretch, a

1101
00:59:07.090 --> 00:59:09.860
little a little bit of a stretch because it seems

1102
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.619
like there was never a safe moment at all in

1103
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:18.840
the entire monstrous experience. This film's once you're lost in

1104
00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:20.690
the woods with them, you are lost in the woods

1105
00:59:20.710 --> 00:59:23.409
with them, but now they're actually about to kind of

1106
00:59:23.469 --> 00:59:26.530
not be lost. And this is where the film really

1107
00:59:26.570 --> 00:59:30.280
takes a turn that I can't, I sincerely believe could

1108
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.239
have wrecked it, but instead really kind of solidified it

1109
00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:36.920
for me. And we'll talk about it right after this.

1110
00:59:50.909 --> 00:59:57.760
When Dom and Luke come to, they are restrained. They're restrained.

1111
00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:06.869
I mean, I would say they're, you know, stoic. Yeah. Level-headed. Yeah, yeah.

1112
01:00:06.909 --> 01:00:10.010
They're very restrained. It's a good thing to be every night.

1113
01:00:10.030 --> 01:00:12.809
So they've been locked up, or I mean, like, chained

1114
01:00:12.889 --> 01:00:14.429
up together. They're in a room.

1115
01:00:14.630 --> 01:00:15.820
Yeah.

1116
01:00:16.429 --> 01:00:23.500
There's, like, people gathering around outside. And it's very clear

1117
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.420
now that this wasn't just one building. This is a

1118
01:00:27.929 --> 01:00:33.510
entire little village inside the forest yeah this little old

1119
01:00:33.570 --> 01:00:38.840
lady comes and she lets Luke drink and as she's

1120
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:43.059
like giving him some water he realizes she's got marks

1121
01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:46.079
on her chest just like his.

1122
01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:47.920
Yeah they match pretty much.

1123
01:00:47.780 --> 01:00:51.280
Like exactly and she even like recognizes and like gives

1124
01:00:51.340 --> 01:00:57.449
him like a knowing look but this moment of brief

1125
01:00:58.380 --> 01:01:01.360
Rest doesn't last very long.

1126
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:02.039
No, not at all.

1127
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:05.579
Because then some guys come and they take Dom away,

1128
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:11.139
just drag him off. And we can hear what's happening

1129
01:01:11.380 --> 01:01:14.099
upstairs and it's not great.

1130
01:01:14.739 --> 01:01:16.119
Yeah, it doesn't sound like a good time.

1131
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:20.639
And I don't know if you caught this, but I

1132
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:26.699
think this was even more brutal for Luke. Because this

1133
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.539
was another instance of one of his friends and he couldn't,

1134
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:31.320
he couldn't help.

1135
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:36.780
Yeah. It's definitely a callback. Yeah. To his feeling that,

1136
01:01:36.860 --> 01:01:39.130
you know, he should have protected his friend and couldn't.

1137
01:01:39.909 --> 01:01:42.369
Now here he is yet again, a friend is being

1138
01:01:42.409 --> 01:01:45.710
taken away. And, you know, as far as he knows

1139
01:01:45.909 --> 01:01:49.510
to be murdered and he's stuck there, he's doing everything

1140
01:01:49.550 --> 01:01:51.570
he can to try and get out of his, out

1141
01:01:51.630 --> 01:01:54.929
of his bindings. To the point where he's, you know,

1142
01:01:55.090 --> 01:01:58.570
very much hurting his wrists and it's tearing away at

1143
01:01:58.610 --> 01:02:02.530
his skin. He's trying everything in his life to get

1144
01:02:02.610 --> 01:02:06.329
out of there and it ain't happening. He beer canned

1145
01:02:06.349 --> 01:02:08.289
his thumb off, man. Nobody's going to get that joke.

1146
01:02:08.349 --> 01:02:09.269
I know. I'm sorry, guys.

1147
01:02:09.550 --> 01:02:09.949
Ah, you know.

1148
01:02:13.809 --> 01:02:19.380
While he's like there alone listening to his poor friend

1149
01:02:19.389 --> 01:02:26.480
be tortured, a young woman comes. And kind of, she's

1150
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.679
the one person in the village, like the old lady

1151
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.360
wasn't even like that nice to him. She's the one

1152
01:02:33.460 --> 01:02:36.260
person in the village that really seems like she's trying

1153
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.460
to make peace with Luke.

1154
01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:40.099
Right.

1155
01:02:40.539 --> 01:02:43.500
And she explains, like he asks, what's that thing out there?

1156
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.880
And she explains very matter-of-factly, it's a god.

1157
01:02:47.780 --> 01:02:50.679
Which, okay. I guess.

1158
01:02:50.699 --> 01:02:50.780
Yes.

1159
01:02:52.769 --> 01:02:54.690
You know, I mean, well, okay. I'll tell you what,

1160
01:02:54.710 --> 01:02:58.989
you know, okay. Little laughing, but okay. So what is

1161
01:02:59.030 --> 01:02:59.610
it to you then?

1162
01:03:00.150 --> 01:03:00.309
Yeah.

1163
01:03:00.389 --> 01:03:02.849
You name, you name what it is. You think you're

1164
01:03:02.889 --> 01:03:04.949
so smart. You're like, ha ha. They say it's a God. Okay.

1165
01:03:04.969 --> 01:03:07.400
What is it then?

1166
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:12.300
I'm just saying like, I can't like, can you really,

1167
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:17.159
you can't, it's not an animal. Cause it seems way

1168
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.679
too powerful and big for that. Yeah.

1169
01:03:20.139 --> 01:03:20.820
I would agree with that.

1170
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.369
And she does go a little bit into an explanation

1171
01:03:25.630 --> 01:03:29.849
of why they are able to interact with it, that

1172
01:03:30.309 --> 01:03:36.889
they are the worshipers, and in exchange, it grants them immortality.

1173
01:03:37.070 --> 01:03:41.150
But she makes it really clear that it needs obedience,

1174
01:03:42.329 --> 01:03:48.980
and it needs them to worship it, but immortality doesn't

1175
01:03:49.099 --> 01:03:50.860
mean eternal youth.

1176
01:03:51.909 --> 01:03:52.159
No.

1177
01:03:53.019 --> 01:03:56.860
And she doesn't explicitly say, like, what that means. She

1178
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.840
just says, like, you get to be here forever, but

1179
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:00.639
that's it.

1180
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:02.519
Yeah, that's about it there, pal.

1181
01:04:02.900 --> 01:04:06.940
And Luke has a choice. He can be the next

1182
01:04:07.059 --> 01:04:10.360
person in the village to start worshiping this creature, or

1183
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.719
he can be the next victim. Those are his two choices.

1184
01:04:13.900 --> 01:04:18.449
Well, the weird thing is that, I mean, yes, like,

1185
01:04:18.489 --> 01:04:22.800
what you're describing is exactly the plot points. It doesn't,

1186
01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:27.099
the way it's presented doesn't make it sound like, I'm

1187
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:28.960
trying to think how to put this, not that like

1188
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:30.260
you don't have a choice because like we've got a

1189
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:31.739
gun to your head. I mean, they make it sound

1190
01:04:31.780 --> 01:04:34.889
like it's not a choice because it's simply like no

1191
01:04:34.989 --> 01:04:39.289
one would ever choose the other one. Like if the

1192
01:04:39.389 --> 01:04:44.630
options are eternal life or immediate painful death, but also

1193
01:04:44.869 --> 01:04:50.349
because I guess they're starry eyed to their, their God. Yeah.

1194
01:04:50.769 --> 01:04:53.449
Because I really, it's hard to describe, but, like, the

1195
01:04:53.489 --> 01:04:56.070
sense I got was that they described the option as

1196
01:04:56.250 --> 01:05:00.309
basically not an option, but not in that, like, threatening

1197
01:05:00.389 --> 01:05:01.289
kind of way.

1198
01:05:01.309 --> 01:05:02.389
Yeah, no, no, absolutely.

1199
01:05:02.409 --> 01:05:05.019
It's more just like it's very obvious what you'll choose,

1200
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:05.960
because who.

1201
01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:08.440
Would choose anything other than this life we have?

1202
01:05:08.460 --> 01:05:11.260
Well, no, but it feels beyond that, I guess. But

1203
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.480
who would choose not, who would choose to not have

1204
01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:16.079
what we have? Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like

1205
01:05:16.139 --> 01:05:21.710
a deep brainwash thing. cult mindset is my point. And

1206
01:05:21.750 --> 01:05:25.329
probably a lot of that is to be able to

1207
01:05:25.429 --> 01:05:29.320
stand oneself for the choices you made by having the

1208
01:05:29.389 --> 01:05:31.699
idea like no one, why would anybody ever refuse this?

1209
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.500
Like it's impossible to refuse an opportunity like this. It

1210
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:37.860
might also be a way to kind of like cope

1211
01:05:37.900 --> 01:05:40.739
with the fact that they're a bunch of monsters who

1212
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:42.119
worship an even bigger monster.

1213
01:05:42.139 --> 01:05:42.219
Yeah.

1214
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:43.880
That's just my thought.

1215
01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:46.980
Yeah, there is. No, I think that's a very good point.

1216
01:05:47.139 --> 01:05:52.250
And I think that touches on one of the theses

1217
01:05:52.789 --> 01:05:53.769
of the movie is.

1218
01:05:53.909 --> 01:05:55.769
Theses? Theses?

1219
01:05:55.969 --> 01:05:56.530
Thesai?

1220
01:05:56.849 --> 01:05:57.130
Thesai.

1221
01:05:59.809 --> 01:06:02.909
What is the plural? I guess, would the plural of

1222
01:06:02.969 --> 01:06:04.099
thesis just be thesis?

1223
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:06.400
I think it'd be theses.

1224
01:06:06.699 --> 01:06:07.039
Theses?

1225
01:06:07.059 --> 01:06:10.739
But now I'm checking. Yeah, it's theses. Theses. Theses.

1226
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.719
Okay. So I guess one of the main theses of

1227
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:20.750
the movie... is about the mindset of survivors.

1228
01:06:21.809 --> 01:06:22.030
Yeah.

1229
01:06:22.869 --> 01:06:27.369
Because that's Luke. That is, in essence, that is anyone

1230
01:06:27.449 --> 01:06:30.820
who is living in this village is a survivor. They

1231
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:32.639
have made a decision.

1232
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:34.340
Yeah, that's a really good point.

1233
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:38.650
So that, you know, maybe it's getting too deep into it,

1234
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:42.159
but I guess that's kind of like as we finish

1235
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:44.699
the movie, we kind of learn like maybe Luke is

1236
01:06:45.070 --> 01:06:47.760
He's the one who confronted it the right way. And

1237
01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:49.880
the village, you know, they're the ones who just kept

1238
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.519
their heads in the sand and didn't really confront anything.

1239
01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:57.420
But we'll get to that in a little bit.

1240
01:06:57.579 --> 01:06:59.019
Yeah, we're on our way there.

1241
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:06.300
We'll get there. Because they have plans for Dom. You know, like,

1242
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:10.750
they bring him back. Luke and Dom get a chance to, like,

1243
01:07:10.829 --> 01:07:12.809
talk a little bit. And Dom knows he's doomed.

1244
01:07:13.449 --> 01:07:13.650
Yeah.

1245
01:07:14.190 --> 01:07:16.170
And Luke's like trying to tell him, he's like, no,

1246
01:07:16.309 --> 01:07:19.050
I'm almost out of my bonds. Like we can make it,

1247
01:07:19.150 --> 01:07:20.570
we can get out of here.

1248
01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:22.860
I mean, he's literally saying things like, you know, I,

1249
01:07:23.130 --> 01:07:26.750
I won't let this, I won't let anything happen to you. Like, yeah,

1250
01:07:26.789 --> 01:07:29.760
it's just period. And his buddy's just kind of like, dude,

1251
01:07:30.449 --> 01:07:32.179
it is what it is, man. Yeah.

1252
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:33.820
Like Dom has kind of made peace.

1253
01:07:34.019 --> 01:07:39.530
Yeah. He's definitely in the acceptance phase and it's, uh,

1254
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:42.300
it's really sad to see, but it's also just kind of,

1255
01:07:42.989 --> 01:07:44.849
I mean, he starts doing the thing, you know, the

1256
01:07:44.909 --> 01:07:47.010
tell my wife thing.

1257
01:07:47.510 --> 01:07:47.820
Yeah.

1258
01:07:47.860 --> 01:07:51.980
Which is, you know, one of the ultimate, you know,

1259
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:53.440
movie cliches.

1260
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:53.719
Yeah.

1261
01:07:53.739 --> 01:07:59.119
Tell my wife I love her. It's pretty heartbreaking in

1262
01:07:59.139 --> 01:08:03.800
a movie that is pretty consistently heartbreaking from about minute three. Yeah.

1263
01:08:04.340 --> 01:08:07.840
But things are going to get stranger and go in

1264
01:08:07.889 --> 01:08:11.590
directions you might not be expecting right after this.

1265
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:30.500
So what was going through your mind when the villagers

1266
01:08:30.899 --> 01:08:35.560
dragged Dom up and tied him up and put him

1267
01:08:35.729 --> 01:08:41.670
out in the village square? Because there's this acceptance in

1268
01:08:41.710 --> 01:08:42.189
his face.

1269
01:08:42.529 --> 01:08:44.010
Yeah.

1270
01:08:44.029 --> 01:08:48.380
And then we're bracing for this creature to come out

1271
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.760
of the woods. And then we see his face and

1272
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:56.029
we see this look of relief. and almost like admiration

1273
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.659
wash over his face. And then we see a woman

1274
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:01.399
walk out.

1275
01:09:01.340 --> 01:09:06.619
Of the woods. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1276
01:09:06.649 --> 01:09:10.090
So were you already thinking like, oh, the creature is

1277
01:09:10.149 --> 01:09:13.569
playing tricks or what were you thinking?

1278
01:09:13.609 --> 01:09:15.609
Well, the fact that he was screaming out to his wife,

1279
01:09:16.210 --> 01:09:19.010
that first night when they were all having their different

1280
01:09:19.149 --> 01:09:24.369
types of night terror stuff happening, I kind of figured

1281
01:09:24.430 --> 01:09:33.359
that it can change its appearance probably to usher compliance

1282
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:34.659
to an extent.

1283
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:35.220
Yeah.

1284
01:09:35.659 --> 01:09:39.619
Which actually made me wonder, because this creature, do you

1285
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:41.979
remember what that, That type of being is that it

1286
01:09:42.020 --> 01:09:44.239
kind of looks like there's a festival in Europe that

1287
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.239
they do where that being exists.

1288
01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:52.310
Well, I did some research and the director and the

1289
01:09:52.350 --> 01:09:56.229
creators said that they were inspired. Like they did research

1290
01:09:56.310 --> 01:10:00.270
and were inspired by Norse mythology and the Jotun, which

1291
01:10:00.310 --> 01:10:01.350
are like the giants.

1292
01:10:01.369 --> 01:10:04.090
That's the word. But that's the thing with the like

1293
01:10:04.170 --> 01:10:05.210
skull head too, right?

1294
01:10:05.489 --> 01:10:05.609
Mm-hmm.

1295
01:10:06.430 --> 01:10:10.130
Because Jotun is translated as giants, but that's a more

1296
01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:15.390
loose term. It's any kind of supernatural, preternatural, all-powerful being

1297
01:10:15.430 --> 01:10:16.289
that is not a god.

1298
01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:22.880
I'm looking at some of them online. Yeah, they are

1299
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.260
tall and a lot of them have weird animal heads

1300
01:10:25.340 --> 01:10:28.000
with arms and stuff coming out of their heads. So

1301
01:10:28.020 --> 01:10:29.220
I would, I mean, I would say it's more than

1302
01:10:29.260 --> 01:10:32.210
a little inspired. I'd say it's pretty much what it's going.

1303
01:10:31.949 --> 01:10:33.090
Pretty derived from.

1304
01:10:33.609 --> 01:10:36.289
So, I mean, we obviously see this kind of thing,

1305
01:10:36.390 --> 01:10:39.670
this kind of elder God thing. Yeah.

1306
01:10:39.710 --> 01:10:39.930
Right.

1307
01:10:40.789 --> 01:10:44.880
And when he, when we see his perspective and it's

1308
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.739
his wife walking up to him and he's happy to

1309
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.460
see her, there were a few, I actually had a

1310
01:10:50.539 --> 01:10:53.100
lot of thoughts about this part of the film. And

1311
01:10:53.260 --> 01:10:58.149
one of them was that he, His smile and reaction

1312
01:10:58.220 --> 01:11:01.220
to her was not necessarily that he believed she was

1313
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.159
there because he was surprisingly cogent. Remember how he was like,

1314
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.760
I'm going to die. Yeah. Like, he's like, no, he's like,

1315
01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:11.350
just you get out of here. Promise me. Cause I'm

1316
01:11:11.390 --> 01:11:14.229
going to die. No, you're not. I'm going to die.

1317
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.220
So part of me thinks that he's so cogent that

1318
01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:19.359
the reason he smiled is that he was just happy

1319
01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:21.140
to see her face because he knew this was part

1320
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:26.039
of his death process. That this thing lies and betrays

1321
01:11:26.060 --> 01:11:29.149
your mind and takes advantage of anything human in you.

1322
01:11:30.590 --> 01:11:32.930
So that's number one, a thought I had. I'm not

1323
01:11:32.949 --> 01:11:35.890
saying that I 100% think that's what happened, but that

1324
01:11:35.949 --> 01:11:39.130
is something that crossed my mind. But that opened up

1325
01:11:39.189 --> 01:11:41.890
to me something else, which is I wonder what the

1326
01:11:42.029 --> 01:11:45.689
followers see when they look at him. Because we never

1327
01:11:45.789 --> 01:11:47.050
see their perspective.

1328
01:11:47.550 --> 01:11:50.010
You know, that's a really good point.

1329
01:11:50.970 --> 01:11:57.229
So what if they don't see what it looks like?

1330
01:11:57.430 --> 01:12:00.409
Or if you want to go even further, what if

1331
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:05.140
because our perspective is strictly the hikers, what if the

1332
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.060
way that we're seeing it as the hikers perspective is

1333
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:12.899
just based on what they vaguely know subconsciously about Norse mythology?

1334
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:15.020
Because they're in northern Sweden.

1335
01:12:15.890 --> 01:12:16.770
I mean, it could be.

1336
01:12:17.619 --> 01:12:21.710
So the being could have no corporeal form that you

1337
01:12:21.729 --> 01:12:29.550
can necessarily fully grasp, or that could be its real form.

1338
01:12:29.609 --> 01:12:31.829
I mean, that's the part that's definitely a little bit

1339
01:12:31.850 --> 01:12:33.189
harder to say. And I will say it's a little

1340
01:12:33.210 --> 01:12:34.810
bit of a stretch, I mean, because they don't really

1341
01:12:34.850 --> 01:12:37.390
show it changing form constantly. No.

1342
01:12:37.850 --> 01:12:41.810
But that's kind of the genius of... the creature design

1343
01:12:41.829 --> 01:12:45.210
and you know and you know me i love monsters

1344
01:12:45.250 --> 01:12:49.590
i love monster you know design but so the thing

1345
01:12:49.649 --> 01:12:51.630
is kind of like a centaur it's got like a

1346
01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:56.430
half uh elk or deer body and then it's got

1347
01:12:56.489 --> 01:12:59.949
a human-esque torso where the neck would be right and

1348
01:12:59.970 --> 01:13:06.310
then a deer skull head but It's got, like, multiple arms,

1349
01:13:06.529 --> 01:13:09.970
and the antlers look like they could also be arms.

1350
01:13:10.149 --> 01:13:10.729
Yeah, yeah.

1351
01:13:10.909 --> 01:13:16.449
And it almost looks like it's absorbed worshippers into its

1352
01:13:16.569 --> 01:13:17.750
corporeal form.

1353
01:13:17.949 --> 01:13:18.369
Could be.

1354
01:13:19.149 --> 01:13:23.029
Like, that's kind of the— so, and that's what's cool is,

1355
01:13:23.869 --> 01:13:29.250
from one angle, it looks more like a more traditional monster,

1356
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.239
and then from another angle, it looks more like a

1357
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.159
more human creature. kind of thing yeah and when it

1358
01:13:36.260 --> 01:13:39.470
moves it's got you know those weird movements that it

1359
01:13:39.550 --> 01:13:42.970
will rear back and then move its antlers but the

1360
01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:46.069
arms will wave around and it's so it's it's like

1361
01:13:46.130 --> 01:13:49.670
really weird and every angle is.

1362
01:13:49.630 --> 01:13:55.109
Different yeah it's kind of like um like if you

1363
01:13:55.250 --> 01:13:59.050
asked someone to draw the wendigo but they had like

1364
01:14:00.069 --> 01:14:05.609
weapons grade adhd yeah Weapons grade. I like that. Yeah,

1365
01:14:05.689 --> 01:14:07.840
that's a new one I just came up with. I

1366
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.260
feel like that's how you end up with the kind

1367
01:14:10.300 --> 01:14:13.020
of Yotun that's in the ritual. Yeah.

1368
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:15.779
Weapons grade ADHD.

1369
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:17.800
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed that.

1370
01:14:18.619 --> 01:14:24.619
So, but this is the big reveal. Because at first,

1371
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.659
as the creature, the being comes out, it looks like Gale.

1372
01:14:29.180 --> 01:14:36.109
And Dom looks relieved. you know, almost starts crying seeing her.

1373
01:14:36.689 --> 01:14:40.130
And he does like get down on his knees because

1374
01:14:40.170 --> 01:14:45.109
he's so relieved. And then once he falls to his knees,

1375
01:14:45.430 --> 01:14:50.640
that's when he sees what it truly is. And it

1376
01:14:50.899 --> 01:14:53.100
picks him up, you know, and does what it is

1377
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.399
known to do, which is impale things on trees and

1378
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.680
then leave them to die. And it does that. And

1379
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:01.500
as it's doing that, you know, Luke is in there

1380
01:15:02.050 --> 01:15:04.510
Breaks his thumb so that he can get out of

1381
01:15:04.550 --> 01:15:05.449
his bonds.

1382
01:15:06.010 --> 01:15:06.329
Yeah.

1383
01:15:06.949 --> 01:15:10.810
And he hears what's going on. He sees through slats

1384
01:15:10.869 --> 01:15:12.949
in the wood. He sees what's going on. So he

1385
01:15:13.010 --> 01:15:17.489
knows that it's just him now. And so now that

1386
01:15:17.630 --> 01:15:21.050
there's no chance for him to save his friend, the

1387
01:15:21.210 --> 01:15:26.810
only option is get revenge. Or as much revenge as

1388
01:15:26.850 --> 01:15:27.270
he can.

1389
01:15:27.909 --> 01:15:29.109
Well, that's the thing, though.

1390
01:15:30.020 --> 01:15:30.270
I mean.

1391
01:15:31.409 --> 01:15:33.729
what does this guy have to live for? There's no

1392
01:15:33.810 --> 01:15:37.869
reference to a girlfriend at home. There's no reference to,

1393
01:15:37.890 --> 01:15:41.170
I mean, there's really no reference to his life outside of,

1394
01:15:41.510 --> 01:15:45.109
of there. I mean, like the most, the most reference

1395
01:15:45.170 --> 01:15:49.090
to his life outside of the, the holiday is gosh,

1396
01:15:49.109 --> 01:15:51.970
I don't even remember. Did he give an example when

1397
01:15:51.989 --> 01:15:53.869
they were all hungry really early in the movie and

1398
01:15:53.890 --> 01:15:55.989
they each said the thing they wanted? Cause one guy

1399
01:15:56.029 --> 01:15:57.029
was like, I want a steak. And the other guy

1400
01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:58.460
was like, I want sushi. And the other guy was like,

1401
01:15:58.500 --> 01:16:00.869
I just want a burger and fries alone. Because he's

1402
01:16:00.909 --> 01:16:03.510
a family. He's like, I just want to eat a

1403
01:16:03.529 --> 01:16:07.760
burger and fries by myself. No one bothering me. Nobody's

1404
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:10.319
trying to get my attention. But I don't even remember

1405
01:16:10.340 --> 01:16:15.680
if Luke... He doesn't really even give an example. So

1406
01:16:15.779 --> 01:16:20.109
we have so little of him that's outside of this space.

1407
01:16:21.630 --> 01:16:26.569
And that matters because when that woman was explaining... What motor, right,

1408
01:16:26.649 --> 01:16:29.029
was the name of the creature? Modar? Yeah.

1409
01:16:29.189 --> 01:16:30.229
Yeah, Modar.

1410
01:16:30.550 --> 01:16:32.869
Well, it sounded like they were saying mother. Yeah, yeah.

1411
01:16:32.890 --> 01:16:35.729
So it might be because they are saying mother in Swedish,

1412
01:16:35.750 --> 01:16:39.489
for all I know. For all I care. No, but

1413
01:16:39.510 --> 01:16:42.350
my point is, remember when they say that he was chosen,

1414
01:16:42.390 --> 01:16:46.739
I mean, they say it's because he carries this pain

1415
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:52.800
with him. Yeah. And that's an interesting element because... you

1416
01:16:53.529 --> 01:16:57.319
can't really torment him with anything that hasn't already happened.

1417
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:03.380
So everything he envisions, everything that they make him envision

1418
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:07.279
to terrorize him, to torment him, it's in the past.

1419
01:17:08.979 --> 01:17:12.960
As to where we don't really see entirely what everybody's

1420
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:17.800
tormented with, but obviously this guy's wife, it was tormenting

1421
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:19.800
him with visions of his wife, his wife who is

1422
01:17:19.859 --> 01:17:22.119
waiting at home for him. So it must have been

1423
01:17:22.659 --> 01:17:24.939
You know, making him think that she was in danger

1424
01:17:25.060 --> 01:17:26.500
or that he would never be able to see her

1425
01:17:26.579 --> 01:17:31.890
or something like that. So he's reaching outward. His desires,

1426
01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:37.350
his thoughts, his feelings are reaching outward. While Luke has nothing.

1427
01:17:39.050 --> 01:17:44.970
And I think that might be what the creature preys on.

1428
01:17:46.109 --> 01:17:49.850
I think that's a really good point. Because what we...

1429
01:17:50.729 --> 01:17:55.050
What we learn about it is it clearly uses the

1430
01:17:56.329 --> 01:18:00.369
thing that has the most control over people to get

1431
01:18:00.649 --> 01:18:04.489
in and to get to get their worship. So, you know,

1432
01:18:04.510 --> 01:18:09.779
with Luke, it's his trauma. With Dom, it's his wife. Phil,

1433
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.600
he was the one who was up there praying to

1434
01:18:13.619 --> 01:18:17.899
the effigy and like, you know, flagellating himself um you

1435
01:18:17.909 --> 01:18:22.020
know he's even the one who's he was like immediately

1436
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:25.939
like the creature got into my head yeah um and

1437
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.840
and is totally freaked out by the fact that without

1438
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:33.779
having even met it it made him pray to it

1439
01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:36.750
yeah and and he's one of he kind of does

1440
01:18:36.810 --> 01:18:39.210
come off as a little more like spiritual or religious

1441
01:18:39.350 --> 01:18:42.729
of the guys so it it uses what you hold

1442
01:18:42.750 --> 01:18:47.210
i was Whole deer makes it sound weird because trauma.

1443
01:18:47.270 --> 01:18:49.649
It's not a deer. It's a yutin or whatever. Yeah.

1444
01:18:50.939 --> 01:18:54.779
But it's the thing that you enshrine in your life.

1445
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.659
Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Although I think it might

1446
01:18:58.699 --> 01:19:00.800
be a little bit more direct.

1447
01:19:01.180 --> 01:19:01.380
Yes.

1448
01:19:01.619 --> 01:19:18.310
And I'll explain that right after this. My point is,

1449
01:19:18.329 --> 01:19:21.899
I mean, I think it's preying on people, but I

1450
01:19:21.979 --> 01:19:25.460
think that as much as it needs, and I know

1451
01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.220
that I talked about this when we watched it last

1452
01:19:27.260 --> 01:19:29.659
time and we'll go into it more once we talk

1453
01:19:29.699 --> 01:19:34.699
about the finale. It needs sacrifices, but it needs praise.

1454
01:19:35.380 --> 01:19:35.579
Yeah.

1455
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.199
And the only way to make Luke a perfect future

1456
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:46.100
followers to take everything else from him too. It's almost like,

1457
01:19:46.979 --> 01:19:52.529
It's almost like his despair is like a spark. Yeah.

1458
01:19:52.710 --> 01:19:54.869
And he has to push, the creature has to push

1459
01:19:54.930 --> 01:19:57.970
kindling to it. Yeah. To build a full fire to

1460
01:19:58.649 --> 01:20:04.010
warm itself and survive. So that's what the whole movie

1461
01:20:04.090 --> 01:20:09.189
kind of is, is just keeping that spark of despair

1462
01:20:09.350 --> 01:20:15.329
and hopelessness and solitude alive. Yes, yes. And growing it,

1463
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:19.109
gardening it until it goes from being a sprout to being,

1464
01:20:19.130 --> 01:20:22.630
you know, a mighty oak tree that it can hang

1465
01:20:22.750 --> 01:20:26.909
a corpse from. That's kind of the way I see

1466
01:20:27.130 --> 01:20:31.670
it developing. And I think that that makes sense because

1467
01:20:32.689 --> 01:20:36.399
when you see how the others in the tribe are,

1468
01:20:37.409 --> 01:20:40.930
this little whatever tribe in the woods... it seems like

1469
01:20:40.970 --> 01:20:44.470
they were all the last of their group, you know?

1470
01:20:44.609 --> 01:20:46.409
So it seems like that's what it does is it

1471
01:20:47.289 --> 01:20:51.310
is by taking, it makes you join it, whether it's

1472
01:20:51.409 --> 01:20:54.859
by whether you want to look at it as feeding a,

1473
01:20:55.260 --> 01:20:58.760
an amount of grief so much that it can't like that,

1474
01:20:58.819 --> 01:21:01.119
that that hole can only be filled by like worshiping

1475
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:05.109
an elder God or just it being that by it,

1476
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:09.899
killing all your friends, you now understand how powerful it is.

1477
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:11.840
It could go either way.

1478
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:12.340
Oh, yeah.

1479
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:14.659
And it could be that it depends on the personality

1480
01:21:14.699 --> 01:21:20.479
of the person that it sees is capable of accepting it,

1481
01:21:20.529 --> 01:21:22.930
I guess. Yeah. Or something like that. And I have

1482
01:21:22.949 --> 01:21:25.750
a funny... When we get to the end, I have

1483
01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:28.489
a funny kind of turn of phrase on that because

1484
01:21:28.930 --> 01:21:32.189
I think that this movie is very funny to compare

1485
01:21:32.250 --> 01:21:34.250
to Midsommar. I was.

1486
01:21:34.779 --> 01:21:37.500
I'm glad you're saying that because I was thinking as

1487
01:21:37.539 --> 01:21:40.199
we were watching it, like, man, this has got like

1488
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:43.939
all the shit that I like that Midsommar I hoped

1489
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:45.060
would have and it didn't.

1490
01:21:45.270 --> 01:21:49.430
Well, I mean, they're both in Europe and that's really

1491
01:21:49.489 --> 01:21:50.170
the big. That's it.

1492
01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:50.409
Yeah.

1493
01:21:50.430 --> 01:21:51.829
Well, but you know, but there's, but there is a

1494
01:21:51.869 --> 01:21:54.989
trauma element because Midsommar is about trauma as well. But

1495
01:21:55.029 --> 01:21:58.850
we'll talk about that once we get to the resolution,

1496
01:21:58.869 --> 01:22:02.119
the climax, because that's where I feel like it's the

1497
01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:03.899
best point to make a comparison.

1498
01:22:04.180 --> 01:22:04.380
Yeah.

1499
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.979
Yeah. So but I derailed a lot with that. But

1500
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.119
that's what I that's kind of what I got from

1501
01:22:10.180 --> 01:22:13.939
it was this kind of sense that it creates lost

1502
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.319
souls so that it can find them.

1503
01:22:16.979 --> 01:22:21.449
I think that's a very good comparison. And it ties

1504
01:22:21.670 --> 01:22:25.770
into it very much ties into what's going to happen

1505
01:22:25.810 --> 01:22:26.789
in the movie next.

1506
01:22:27.189 --> 01:22:27.369
Yes.

1507
01:22:27.449 --> 01:22:33.949
As Luke escapes because he escapes. He finds a torch.

1508
01:22:34.750 --> 01:22:37.850
so he can kind of like see he runs upstairs.

1509
01:22:37.869 --> 01:22:40.090
Luckily the place is just maggoty with candles and torches.

1510
01:22:40.130 --> 01:22:44.210
Cause I, I guess the utility company hasn't really run

1511
01:22:44.250 --> 01:22:46.229
any lines yet, or they took it down. They're like,

1512
01:22:46.250 --> 01:22:48.390
for the last time, pal, we told you, you put

1513
01:22:48.430 --> 01:22:53.100
corpses on the lines. That's public property. You can't just

1514
01:22:53.270 --> 01:22:55.659
use it any way you want. I don't know why

1515
01:22:55.699 --> 01:22:57.380
I'm from Boston. Quit asking.

1516
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:00.460
Just has to be that way.

1517
01:23:00.579 --> 01:23:02.060
Yeah. It's the law.

1518
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:10.069
So, uh, Luke finds the, I guess the ultimate, um, the,

1519
01:23:10.210 --> 01:23:13.350
the ultimate, I wouldn't call it goal, but the ultimate, um,

1520
01:23:14.109 --> 01:23:19.380
consequence of worshiping the creature. Cause he finds some of

1521
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:22.140
the immortal.

1522
01:23:22.579 --> 01:23:25.359
Well, so he, yeah, he walks into like the steeple

1523
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:26.680
kind of spot.

1524
01:23:27.619 --> 01:23:28.819
He hears like chanting.

1525
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:29.180
Yeah.

1526
01:23:29.220 --> 01:23:30.100
So he goes in there.

1527
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:33.090
Cause that's where they took, uh, uh, That's where they

1528
01:23:33.109 --> 01:23:36.149
took Dom the first time for some kind of ritualistic

1529
01:23:36.189 --> 01:23:40.270
torment or something in front of that congregation up there. Yeah.

1530
01:23:40.609 --> 01:23:42.390
But it looks literally when you first see it, it

1531
01:23:42.449 --> 01:23:45.569
looks like a room full of mummies of mummified corpses.

1532
01:23:45.869 --> 01:23:46.050
Yeah.

1533
01:23:46.689 --> 01:23:49.750
But then we start to realize that they're, I guess,

1534
01:23:50.590 --> 01:23:52.529
closer to alive than dead.

1535
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:58.500
Mostly alive. Alive enough that they can move vaguely.

1536
01:23:58.520 --> 01:23:59.180
Yeah.

1537
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.180
They like start to turn their heads to look at him.

1538
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.359
Yeah, yeah. And they start to acknowledge him. And it's

1539
01:24:05.539 --> 01:24:09.199
very awesomely creepy. And suggest what you were mentioning about

1540
01:24:09.659 --> 01:24:11.640
eternal life doesn't guarantee eternal youth.

1541
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:14.770
Yeah, it just means you're sticking around to worship this

1542
01:24:14.779 --> 01:24:15.350
thing forever.

1543
01:24:15.550 --> 01:24:19.289
Yeah. And I love this sequence. This is the sequence

1544
01:24:19.329 --> 01:24:21.850
that made me go, this movie's boss. And I love

1545
01:24:21.909 --> 01:24:27.470
it because I like to consider myself not a vindictive person.

1546
01:24:28.300 --> 01:24:31.020
But when really awful things are done to people, I

1547
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:35.119
love it when it comes back. Karma. That always makes

1548
01:24:35.189 --> 01:24:37.810
me happy when it comes back. Like, I love a

1549
01:24:37.850 --> 01:24:40.710
movie where there's some person who just messes with people

1550
01:24:40.750 --> 01:24:43.010
with impunity. And now all of a sudden, you know,

1551
01:24:43.029 --> 01:24:46.130
they're laying on the ground begging for their lives. And

1552
01:24:46.149 --> 01:24:48.529
somebody's like, oh, is it mean that I'm going to

1553
01:24:48.630 --> 01:24:53.050
kill you? Is murder mean? And then they kill them.

1554
01:24:53.109 --> 01:24:56.329
I'm like, yeah, that's the most vindictive I get when

1555
01:24:56.369 --> 01:24:59.420
I'm watching a movie. But like- I love that as,

1556
01:24:59.579 --> 01:25:03.520
that he, it's, it's the performance is perfect here because he's,

1557
01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:07.140
he's observing all of this, right? He sees them turning.

1558
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:09.939
They're obviously not a threat. This is ghastly horror.

1559
01:25:10.739 --> 01:25:11.930
But yeah, what are they going to do?

1560
01:25:11.939 --> 01:25:12.600
They can't even get up.

1561
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:13.199
Dust on him?

1562
01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:16.479
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They can't even get up. But, but

1563
01:25:16.579 --> 01:25:18.640
after he just kind of, but he basically like looks

1564
01:25:18.699 --> 01:25:20.960
around and looks around and then once he fully figures

1565
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.939
out what this is, he just starts touching the torch

1566
01:25:23.979 --> 01:25:25.279
to the bot, to the people.

1567
01:25:25.300 --> 01:25:25.399
Yeah.

1568
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:27.420
And I just, it's just the way he does. We

1569
01:25:27.460 --> 01:25:30.359
both cheer. You're like, yeah. It's so matter of fact, though,

1570
01:25:30.380 --> 01:25:35.979
just tap and they're and then tap. And I'm like, yeah,

1571
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.470
that's what I want. Cause he promised his buddy revenge

1572
01:25:40.729 --> 01:25:44.789
and he, and, and frankly, why wouldn't you want revenge

1573
01:25:44.970 --> 01:25:45.770
against these people?

1574
01:25:46.069 --> 01:25:46.369
Yeah.

1575
01:25:46.949 --> 01:25:52.010
And, and yeah, I don't know. There's something so poignant

1576
01:25:52.090 --> 01:25:54.630
about what he, what he's been through and what his

1577
01:25:54.710 --> 01:25:59.739
journey has. has been because it started very recently. Mm-hmm.

1578
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:02.890
You know, I mean, like we said, the movie starts

1579
01:26:02.939 --> 01:26:06.750
with his friend dying, and they're on the same holiday

1580
01:26:06.789 --> 01:26:09.289
they were on, so it could have only been a

1581
01:26:09.350 --> 01:26:10.069
few days.

1582
01:26:10.850 --> 01:26:12.949
I think in the movie it says it's been like

1583
01:26:13.010 --> 01:26:13.750
six months.

1584
01:26:13.829 --> 01:26:15.010
Oh, no, you're totally right.

1585
01:26:15.689 --> 01:26:17.520
But that is still like six months is.

1586
01:26:17.489 --> 01:26:19.319
Not a long time. But you're totally right. No, you're

1587
01:26:19.340 --> 01:26:24.100
totally right. They restart... yeah the holiday for him right

1588
01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:27.579
so no no you're totally right um but it's still

1589
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:32.079
yeah very fresh and it's clearly stuck with him and

1590
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:34.350
i think that survivor's guilt is something i wish would

1591
01:26:34.390 --> 01:26:38.189
be would be dug into more i think it's a

1592
01:26:38.229 --> 01:26:43.489
a really fascinating uh curse it is for for a

1593
01:26:43.529 --> 01:26:46.270
person who's fortunate enough to live to have.

1594
01:26:46.369 --> 01:26:49.510
Yeah well and and also think of it think of

1595
01:26:50.069 --> 01:26:56.640
luke's growth and progression because the movie starts with the

1596
01:26:56.899 --> 01:27:02.920
main inciting incident being his inaction kind of culminating in

1597
01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:04.939
the loss of a friend and culminating in.

1598
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.500
All of this. Well, his interpreted inaction.

1599
01:27:07.579 --> 01:27:08.399
His interpreted inaction.

1600
01:27:08.420 --> 01:27:11.439
By the time he realizes that this is a seriously

1601
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.939
dangerous situation, his friend's already dead. Yeah. I mean, he's

1602
01:27:15.010 --> 01:27:17.449
already laying on the floor bleeding out. And the only

1603
01:27:17.550 --> 01:27:20.399
option is Should I go and get beaten up? Should

1604
01:27:20.420 --> 01:27:23.920
I get my head bashed in too? Right. But that's

1605
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.819
kind of the darkest part is it's like, yeah, it's

1606
01:27:26.850 --> 01:27:28.310
like I should have died too.

1607
01:27:28.369 --> 01:27:31.069
Your mind is the one telling you like, yeah, I

1608
01:27:31.109 --> 01:27:32.170
could have done something.

1609
01:27:33.229 --> 01:27:35.090
Well, dying as well. No, but I mean, but I

1610
01:27:35.350 --> 01:27:38.399
don't think he ever believed. That's kind of why I

1611
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:41.039
love this concept. I don't think he ever believed he

1612
01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:44.119
could save his friend. I think it's literally what he

1613
01:27:44.180 --> 01:27:46.180
regrets is not dying that day as well.

1614
01:27:46.590 --> 01:27:47.789
Yeah, I get what you're saying.

1615
01:27:47.909 --> 01:27:51.210
And that's why I think it's really like fascinating and

1616
01:27:51.390 --> 01:27:54.569
sad and, you know, but it has a beauty in

1617
01:27:54.649 --> 01:27:58.579
its honesty about how dark the mind can go over

1618
01:27:58.659 --> 01:28:00.039
loss and regret.

1619
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:01.100
Oh, yeah.

1620
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:03.979
But we'll take a quick break and then you can,

1621
01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:06.500
you know, get back on the track I stole you

1622
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:08.100
off of right after this.

1623
01:28:20.300 --> 01:28:27.039
So we're cheering Luke's burning the mummy people. And that

1624
01:28:27.229 --> 01:28:31.909
obviously gets the notice of the villagers and the Jotun.

1625
01:28:32.850 --> 01:28:35.890
Because I can only assume it would notice that it's

1626
01:28:35.970 --> 01:28:38.829
not getting worship from certain people.

1627
01:28:38.850 --> 01:28:42.119
Yeah, because they're blinded. of eternal life is to literally

1628
01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:45.119
what's that phrase like sit in not in pew what's

1629
01:28:45.140 --> 01:28:48.760
the term when you're sitting in in like a congregation

1630
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:49.399
or whatever.

1631
01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:53.529
Oh I wish I knew but I don't I don't remember.

1632
01:28:53.510 --> 01:28:54.350
Okay fair enough.

1633
01:28:57.189 --> 01:29:00.010
Yeah I can't I can't remember I didn't think you did.

1634
01:29:00.149 --> 01:29:01.170
I was waiting for you to keep going.

1635
01:29:01.310 --> 01:29:08.899
Oh. So he runs downstairs and finds a rifle and

1636
01:29:09.859 --> 01:29:12.340
grabs it. So he's at least got some way to

1637
01:29:12.579 --> 01:29:17.819
defend himself when he gets out of the building. And

1638
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.850
the young lady that had talked to him, like, runs

1639
01:29:22.010 --> 01:29:24.109
out and tries to reason with him. Like, you don't

1640
01:29:24.130 --> 01:29:29.869
want to do this. And she... she is, you know,

1641
01:29:29.909 --> 01:29:34.739
clearly one of the newer converts, but she's got full

1642
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:43.319
faith in the Jotun, and that's very clearly misplaced trust,

1643
01:29:44.180 --> 01:29:48.260
because as she's trying to, you know, reason with Luke,

1644
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:54.729
he's getting upset, and the creature is getting upset that

1645
01:29:54.850 --> 01:29:57.670
she's standing between them, so it just grabs her and

1646
01:29:59.300 --> 01:29:59.659
kills her.

1647
01:29:59.960 --> 01:30:00.760
Yeah.

1648
01:30:01.140 --> 01:30:04.600
One of its own followers because it was, because she

1649
01:30:04.649 --> 01:30:07.350
was standing in the way. So we're getting even more

1650
01:30:07.390 --> 01:30:10.050
of a sense of like this creature really does not

1651
01:30:10.090 --> 01:30:13.109
care about its followers. It really is just using them

1652
01:30:13.170 --> 01:30:17.479
as a source of power. And it wants Luke now.

1653
01:30:17.899 --> 01:30:21.319
So he shoots it, but that doesn't do much except

1654
01:30:21.539 --> 01:30:23.300
anger it. But it does give him enough time to

1655
01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:27.899
like start running off into the woods. And it starts to,

1656
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:32.680
tearing down the village. It's like a child throwing a

1657
01:30:32.699 --> 01:30:36.039
temper tantrum because it didn't get its way. That's kind

1658
01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:41.369
of what it reminded me of. So it's chasing Luke

1659
01:30:41.430 --> 01:30:45.829
through the forest, and as he's running, again, it's so

1660
01:30:45.909 --> 01:30:50.770
cool the way the liquor store just invades the forest.

1661
01:30:51.270 --> 01:30:55.899
It's not overlaid. It's like the lighting even changes. It's

1662
01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:01.020
like that gross... euro trash green fluorescent light yeah yeah

1663
01:31:01.109 --> 01:31:04.800
which is great style which is really great and it

1664
01:31:05.270 --> 01:31:09.399
it the creature is messing with his mind and he

1665
01:31:09.539 --> 01:31:13.560
seems to at this point kind of recognize it and

1666
01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:18.300
now when it when it when it confronts him and

1667
01:31:18.340 --> 01:31:24.270
like stops him and he doesn't It forces him to

1668
01:31:24.310 --> 01:31:26.909
his knees, but he doesn't like bow. And you can

1669
01:31:27.029 --> 01:31:33.420
see that he's finally confronting the trauma because it's kind

1670
01:31:33.460 --> 01:31:38.600
of like the forest and the liquor store are totally

1671
01:31:38.659 --> 01:31:42.779
merged now. So it's like he's totally accepted it. And

1672
01:31:43.380 --> 01:31:49.029
he manages to stand up. He's got an axe and

1673
01:31:49.149 --> 01:31:52.010
he runs behind the tree after like striking it with

1674
01:31:52.050 --> 01:31:57.770
the axe. And as he's running, he manages to like

1675
01:31:57.970 --> 01:32:02.689
break through the tree line and the creatures galloping, galloping,

1676
01:32:02.729 --> 01:32:04.979
and it just stops dead.

1677
01:32:05.069 --> 01:32:06.500
Well, and the way he breaks through the tree line

1678
01:32:06.539 --> 01:32:10.640
is by running through the vision. Yeah. Which is, which is,

1679
01:32:10.739 --> 01:32:12.939
that's the thing is because, I mean, you mentioned that,

1680
01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:16.199
that the, uh, liquor store became a part of the woods.

1681
01:32:16.260 --> 01:32:17.500
Like all of a sudden, like the floor of the

1682
01:32:17.539 --> 01:32:20.029
liquor store was the woods floor, but it was built

1683
01:32:20.250 --> 01:32:22.460
in the woods. So it didn't feel like it was, um,

1684
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:25.920
inserted anymore it felt like it was literally the same

1685
01:32:25.979 --> 01:32:29.079
space entirely yes and that was one of my favorite

1686
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.439
moments was he he runs through that vision and that

1687
01:32:32.579 --> 01:32:35.090
and that was when i realized like oh man it's

1688
01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:37.949
he it shows him that to get him to go

1689
01:32:37.970 --> 01:32:41.369
the opposite direction he needs to go yeah which is

1690
01:32:41.409 --> 01:32:45.189
a great symbolism of he had to face what he

1691
01:32:45.289 --> 01:32:49.069
was hiding from or running from if he ran into

1692
01:32:49.149 --> 01:32:52.069
it he would be okay he could get to safety

1693
01:32:52.109 --> 01:32:54.289
but if he runs away from it Well, the only

1694
01:32:54.329 --> 01:32:56.890
other arms are Motor. Yes.

1695
01:32:57.449 --> 01:32:58.569
It's waiting for you.

1696
01:32:58.770 --> 01:32:59.010
Yeah.

1697
01:32:59.409 --> 01:33:01.989
So, yeah. No, it was really cool. Like, as he

1698
01:33:02.140 --> 01:33:05.359
burst through the door of the liquor store and.

1699
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:06.340
That rhymed.

1700
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:10.060
Burst through the door of the liquor store and ran,

1701
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:13.779
you know, ran through the tree line. And he's suddenly, like,

1702
01:33:13.850 --> 01:33:17.170
in a field, like, really close to a road. And Motor, like,

1703
01:33:17.270 --> 01:33:23.020
stops dead at the trees and just roars. And it's

1704
01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:29.359
this deep, like, primordial, like, really, really screechy roar.

1705
01:33:29.380 --> 01:33:29.800
Yeah.

1706
01:33:30.220 --> 01:33:34.720
Luke turns around, and I love it, he screams back.

1707
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:36.500
Yeah.

1708
01:33:36.579 --> 01:33:40.420
And it's so, it's, like, so powerful. He screams back,

1709
01:33:41.470 --> 01:33:46.649
and then the Jotun turns around, it starts going back

1710
01:33:46.710 --> 01:33:49.850
into the forest. He, like, takes a moment to breathe,

1711
01:33:50.750 --> 01:33:55.279
walks toward the road. And that's the end of the film.

1712
01:33:56.020 --> 01:34:00.239
But we realize as it's ending that the way he won,

1713
01:34:00.460 --> 01:34:05.949
like you're saying, is instead of running from what scared him,

1714
01:34:06.029 --> 01:34:09.939
instead of running from the trauma, he ran toward it.

1715
01:34:10.029 --> 01:34:14.529
He confronted it. He finally took action and I wouldn't

1716
01:34:14.569 --> 01:34:18.460
say embraced it, but enfolded it into himself and was like, okay,

1717
01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:22.020
this is what happened and This is how I'm going

1718
01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:24.579
to get through it by accepting that this is what happened.

1719
01:34:24.779 --> 01:34:29.310
Yeah. Well, I think that what motor was going for

1720
01:34:30.229 --> 01:34:32.489
was when, when it got to look into all of

1721
01:34:32.550 --> 01:34:38.590
their minds to start plotting, whatever it does, it saw

1722
01:34:38.890 --> 01:34:43.619
his despair and pain and was like, if I give

1723
01:34:43.659 --> 01:34:50.079
you more of that, like you're already nearly lost. So

1724
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.140
I give you more of that. You will be lost

1725
01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:55.310
and then you will be mine. So I'll get these

1726
01:34:55.350 --> 01:34:58.869
sacrifices and then I'll get another worshiper. But what I

1727
01:34:58.989 --> 01:35:03.270
loved about him turning back and screaming back at it

1728
01:35:04.390 --> 01:35:09.109
is it really showed what a little bitch motor is.

1729
01:35:10.149 --> 01:35:11.689
But I mean, we're laughing, but I mean, it's the

1730
01:35:11.710 --> 01:35:15.949
best way I could describe it because this thing is

1731
01:35:16.210 --> 01:35:21.159
so powerful. Is so strong. It's an elder god. A

1732
01:35:21.770 --> 01:35:26.149
god of a forgotten time. It can't walk out of

1733
01:35:26.210 --> 01:35:27.930
the tree cover. Yeah.

1734
01:35:28.729 --> 01:35:30.149
It's stuck in its own woods.

1735
01:35:30.289 --> 01:35:38.439
Well, but it can't because it can't live without. Its

1736
01:35:38.539 --> 01:35:43.260
home is where it's worshipped, feared, revered, etc., etc. It

1737
01:35:43.340 --> 01:35:45.819
has to have those things or it dies.

1738
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:46.520
Mm-hmm.

1739
01:35:48.569 --> 01:35:51.869
Our man Luke, he's a free man. He's a man

1740
01:35:52.069 --> 01:35:55.680
of his own choices, his own volition. He can walk

1741
01:35:55.739 --> 01:35:57.560
into any woods he wants. He can walk out of

1742
01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:02.739
any woods he wants as long as he chooses. He's free. Yeah.

1743
01:36:03.060 --> 01:36:05.619
Motor is a prisoner of what it is.

1744
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:07.199
Oh, I like that.

1745
01:36:07.220 --> 01:36:11.880
It literally has no ability without the worship of others.

1746
01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:12.539
Yeah.

1747
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.600
It's like living a life of seeking validation. It ends

1748
01:36:15.659 --> 01:36:18.529
up being very empty and disappointing and stressful.

1749
01:36:18.810 --> 01:36:19.430
Yeah.

1750
01:36:19.970 --> 01:36:22.369
That's why when he screams at it, I think that's

1751
01:36:22.409 --> 01:36:25.210
because at that moment he realized, I am stronger than

1752
01:36:25.289 --> 01:36:29.069
this god himself. The only thing that makes this god

1753
01:36:29.170 --> 01:36:33.460
so strong is that people believe in its strength. I mean,

1754
01:36:33.500 --> 01:36:35.560
at the end of the day, that's the number one thing.

1755
01:36:35.579 --> 01:36:37.119
I mean, don't get me wrong. It's a giant beast.

1756
01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.300
But who knows how weak it got by the time

1757
01:36:41.380 --> 01:36:45.819
all of its followers were gone. I mean, because another

1758
01:36:45.850 --> 01:36:50.289
thing to keep in mind, like, did Motor kidnap the

1759
01:36:50.329 --> 01:36:52.470
guys and lock them up to wait to be sacrificed? No,

1760
01:36:52.470 --> 01:36:55.319
it was the people. That did it. Motor was doing

1761
01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:57.920
stuff when no one was looking. Motor is a coward

1762
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:01.590
in the night. So that I think is a, is

1763
01:37:01.649 --> 01:37:04.810
another element that's really worth thinking about because when, when

1764
01:37:05.029 --> 01:37:06.670
he catches up with Luke, as we were saying, like

1765
01:37:06.689 --> 01:37:09.829
before he finally runs through his vision and finds the

1766
01:37:09.869 --> 01:37:13.289
tree line, the creature, everybody else that we've seen, he

1767
01:37:13.329 --> 01:37:15.310
lifts it up and kills it. But him, he was

1768
01:37:15.350 --> 01:37:18.130
pushing him down to his knees because he needs worship.

1769
01:37:18.250 --> 01:37:19.109
Yeah. Yeah.

1770
01:37:19.189 --> 01:37:21.789
And I wonder if it killed it because all of

1771
01:37:21.850 --> 01:37:25.050
his followers were dead. And that was why he didn't

1772
01:37:25.069 --> 01:37:27.930
kill him in revenge like that. It's a petulant God.

1773
01:37:28.510 --> 01:37:32.430
So it killed all of its followers and then was like, oh, well,

1774
01:37:33.109 --> 01:37:35.909
I got to make sure I have one. Yeah. Yeah.

1775
01:37:36.229 --> 01:37:39.829
And that's why it especially like it roars out. Maybe

1776
01:37:39.869 --> 01:37:43.140
that maybe that wasn't in rage or to intimidate. Maybe

1777
01:37:43.180 --> 01:37:47.180
that was it realizing that its time has come in desperation.

1778
01:37:47.220 --> 01:37:49.880
There's no one left to worship it. No one left

1779
01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:53.479
to observe it. And that's something that really got my

1780
01:37:53.579 --> 01:37:56.380
imagination going with this film.

1781
01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:57.140
Yeah.

1782
01:37:57.220 --> 01:38:00.060
What was that element? Because yeah, once it couldn't cross

1783
01:38:00.090 --> 01:38:02.909
the tree line, it's like, how weak can you get?

1784
01:38:02.930 --> 01:38:07.130
You can't take three steps because then you'll be in

1785
01:38:07.229 --> 01:38:11.630
man's world and you can't exist there. Yeah. Because you

1786
01:38:11.670 --> 01:38:14.689
have no power. Fascinating to me. No, it is.

1787
01:38:14.810 --> 01:38:19.069
It is very fascinating. And that was, that was why

1788
01:38:19.130 --> 01:38:24.270
it left such a big, impression on me is because

1789
01:38:24.270 --> 01:38:30.510
of that that underlying concept of you know a god

1790
01:38:30.689 --> 01:38:35.029
is only as powerful as it is because of its

1791
01:38:35.329 --> 01:38:38.770
followers and once you once you remove that like it's

1792
01:38:39.470 --> 01:38:42.149
really not nothing no you're not.

1793
01:38:42.130 --> 01:38:44.489
Wrong and and we'll we'll dig into it a little

1794
01:38:44.510 --> 01:38:59.159
bit more right after this If you want to go

1795
01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.430
even deeper, oh, by the way, before we keep going

1796
01:39:02.470 --> 01:39:05.149
on that, adoration is what it's called.

1797
01:39:05.970 --> 01:39:06.449
Adoration.

1798
01:39:06.510 --> 01:39:09.250
Adoration. Sorry. So when we were talking about the church

1799
01:39:09.550 --> 01:39:12.050
full of the mummy people who are sitting in the pews,

1800
01:39:12.069 --> 01:39:15.529
but there's no service. Yes. They're just sitting there. That's

1801
01:39:15.569 --> 01:39:20.689
called sitting in adoration or Eucharistic adoration in certain Orthodox, Catholic,

1802
01:39:20.710 --> 01:39:25.289
and Lutheran faiths. Okay. That's basically where you're allowed to

1803
01:39:25.369 --> 01:39:28.720
rest because you're with God, basically. Okay. Like when you

1804
01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:32.949
go back to like the early days of churches, because,

1805
01:39:32.989 --> 01:39:36.130
you know, rest was pretty rare. There was this idea

1806
01:39:36.149 --> 01:39:38.289
that like one of the perks of church was that

1807
01:39:38.310 --> 01:39:42.810
you could sit in adoration of God and relax. You know,

1808
01:39:42.850 --> 01:39:46.250
no expectation to do anything. You're not even actively worshiping

1809
01:39:46.270 --> 01:39:47.270
because there's no service.

1810
01:39:47.550 --> 01:39:47.800
Yeah.

1811
01:39:47.949 --> 01:39:51.699
But you're waiting for the eventual Eucharist or the eventual

1812
01:39:51.739 --> 01:39:53.489
preaching or whatever. That's what I was trying to think of.

1813
01:39:53.510 --> 01:39:57.479
They're all sitting in adoration. Okay, cool. They're in permanent adoration.

1814
01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:01.600
That's where you get to be once you have nothing left.

1815
01:40:01.739 --> 01:40:08.119
You're sitting in just praise of this God. But it's

1816
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:12.569
also interesting because I think about this a lot lately,

1817
01:40:12.909 --> 01:40:14.829
this whole concept. Because every now and then you'll talk

1818
01:40:14.850 --> 01:40:17.060
to somebody. I'm not a religious person. but you'll talk

1819
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.279
to people who are also not religious people, but they're,

1820
01:40:19.420 --> 01:40:22.189
it's some kind of like a, of a flaky spiritual

1821
01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:26.010
spirituality thing. And no, no hate, but like sometimes they

1822
01:40:26.029 --> 01:40:27.649
say stuff and it doesn't make any sense to me.

1823
01:40:29.250 --> 01:40:30.989
And one of them is that they, they, they, they

1824
01:40:31.029 --> 01:40:32.670
pulled this thing where like, they kind of believe like

1825
01:40:32.770 --> 01:40:35.430
every God that was ever written about was real. And

1826
01:40:35.449 --> 01:40:41.750
then something happened to them, which is interesting, an interesting concept. And,

1827
01:40:42.029 --> 01:40:44.810
but in that concept would suggest that it's the amount

1828
01:40:44.829 --> 01:40:48.039
of believers you have that, gives you your literal power

1829
01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:51.300
as opposed to figurative power. If it's, you know, all

1830
01:40:51.340 --> 01:40:55.300
just games of men. Um, so that was the other

1831
01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:57.220
thing I was thinking about too, is like, you know,

1832
01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:00.869
it's possible that this being was worshiped by like everybody

1833
01:41:01.609 --> 01:41:05.829
in that part of, uh, Sweden for, you know, hundreds

1834
01:41:05.869 --> 01:41:11.489
of years. And then one day, you know, whether it was, um, uh,

1835
01:41:11.630 --> 01:41:15.069
Christian settlers or it could have been anything or even

1836
01:41:15.109 --> 01:41:18.600
just like other pagans, you know, came along and all

1837
01:41:18.609 --> 01:41:20.420
of a sudden it gets pushed and pushed and pushed

1838
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:24.119
and pushed until it's this little corner of the woods. Yeah.

1839
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:27.560
So I don't know. I just thought that, that was

1840
01:41:27.579 --> 01:41:28.760
the other thing I thought of too, is that it

1841
01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:31.000
seems like they're going for that, like that idea that

1842
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:35.239
like no literal power comes from belief. Like as in

1843
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:37.859
the more belief it has, the more powerful, literally it

1844
01:41:37.890 --> 01:41:39.409
can like lift you up off the ground.

1845
01:41:39.470 --> 01:41:39.789
Yeah.

1846
01:41:39.810 --> 01:41:42.710
But it has no followers. It can't do anything. Like

1847
01:41:42.750 --> 01:41:43.689
Freddy Krueger, basically.

1848
01:41:43.710 --> 01:41:44.109
Yeah.

1849
01:41:45.010 --> 01:41:46.869
Once people stop being afraid of him, he has no power.

1850
01:41:48.829 --> 01:41:51.170
If you die in the woods, you die in real life.

1851
01:41:51.409 --> 01:41:56.010
I mean, that is completely accurate. But no, so that

1852
01:41:56.449 --> 01:41:59.369
was just a side thought I had. But you were,

1853
01:42:00.170 --> 01:42:04.689
what were you saying about this elder god being knocked

1854
01:42:04.750 --> 01:42:07.750
down by this uh luke by him being tough guy

1855
01:42:07.989 --> 01:42:10.939
oh man his name is even luke a biblical name.

1856
01:42:10.899 --> 01:42:12.319
It is a very biblical name.

1857
01:42:12.270 --> 01:42:14.600
And actually now i'm curious are all i think he's

1858
01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:16.479
the only one with it yeah he's the only one

1859
01:42:16.500 --> 01:42:19.359
with a biblical name because there's luke phil hutch dom

1860
01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:21.699
and robert he's the only one with a biblical name

1861
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.079
yeah i'm pretty sure well philip might have been biblical

1862
01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:30.739
actually is biblical okay then i'll give up maybe i

1863
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:35.539
don't know i don't know anymore that's fair I mean, yeah,

1864
01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:39.100
it's Phil Phillips, totally a big biblical name. I give up. Okay.

1865
01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:40.960
I was trying to make a good point. You make

1866
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.239
a good point then. Jeez.

1867
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:48.810
I'm pointing at him. So no, but no, I really like,

1868
01:42:48.939 --> 01:42:52.449
I really like where you're going with that because I

1869
01:42:52.569 --> 01:42:56.930
did get that sense from the, the world building and

1870
01:42:56.970 --> 01:43:02.319
the storytelling of this, that the, the, they were kind

1871
01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:05.800
of going with that concept. Like, the more believers there are,

1872
01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:10.359
the more powerful a god is. And so, you know,

1873
01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.560
that's why, kind of why Luke was able to escape

1874
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:19.319
is once he killed a bunch of the mummies and

1875
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:24.819
once Motor killed a bunch of his own followers, there

1876
01:43:24.859 --> 01:43:27.100
wasn't anyone there to believe in him. So it was

1877
01:43:27.579 --> 01:43:31.300
that much easier for Luke to take control and believe

1878
01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:34.260
in himself so that he could get free well there's.

1879
01:43:34.100 --> 01:43:38.899
Also the element that it's kind of giving a like

1880
01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:42.239
a humanity although not you know a great humanity to

1881
01:43:42.770 --> 01:43:46.189
what makes people so desperate that they would believe in

1882
01:43:46.789 --> 01:43:51.250
something so like by everybody else's definition.

1883
01:43:50.869 --> 01:43:55.789
Evil yeah no no that's that's very true and i

1884
01:43:56.569 --> 01:43:59.710
mean there's something to be said Again, going back to

1885
01:43:59.750 --> 01:44:05.989
the whole concept of, you know, survivors, people who survive

1886
01:44:06.029 --> 01:44:11.880
traumatic incidents build up weird beliefs and weird, you know,

1887
01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:16.560
they develop weird head spaces because they've survived trauma. So

1888
01:44:16.619 --> 01:44:19.060
it's kind of like your brain rewires itself a little bit.

1889
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:24.229
So that's very similar. You know, the believers of motor

1890
01:44:24.310 --> 01:44:26.789
were able to kind of overlook all these heinous things

1891
01:44:26.850 --> 01:44:31.380
that it does. Because they survived. So that makes it okay.

1892
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:34.539
Yeah. Well, because, and because motor made it seem like

1893
01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:37.899
it was by his grace that they survived, which is

1894
01:44:37.979 --> 01:44:41.000
to some extent true. But, um, you know, if I,

1895
01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:43.979
if I push you over the, uh, over a balcony

1896
01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:46.000
and then grab you before you fall over, I mean,

1897
01:44:46.020 --> 01:44:48.840
I didn't save your life. I, I just almost killed you.

1898
01:44:48.859 --> 01:44:51.739
I mean, you know, but it depends on which way

1899
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:54.380
you look at it. Like glass glass half empty or

1900
01:44:54.420 --> 01:44:59.560
is it half, uh, full of paganist bullshit? You know, that's, that's,

1901
01:44:59.779 --> 01:45:03.039
you know, that's, uh, kind of where, where my mind

1902
01:45:03.100 --> 01:45:05.300
went with it, with it is that, you know, this,

1903
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:09.039
this idea of lying, I, I hate the idea of

1904
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:13.640
taking advantage of people when they're at their weakest or

1905
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:17.060
when they're at their most desperate. And that's usually when

1906
01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:21.479
people are grieving and they've been victimized, they've experienced loss.

1907
01:45:22.729 --> 01:45:25.380
Those are usually the times when people get taken advantage

1908
01:45:25.420 --> 01:45:28.380
of by cults and get taken advantage of by faith

1909
01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:35.420
healers and psychics and all the mystics, churches. That's where

1910
01:45:35.539 --> 01:45:38.399
it happens. Yeah. And that's what I think is actually

1911
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.210
kind of underlying all of this to an extent is,

1912
01:45:42.229 --> 01:45:45.390
you know, look at these people that are all so

1913
01:45:45.489 --> 01:45:49.710
desperate and so scared that they would believe this reality.

1914
01:45:50.050 --> 01:45:52.329
ridiculous thing that is real.

1915
01:45:52.710 --> 01:45:52.930
Yeah.

1916
01:45:53.069 --> 01:45:53.430
Somehow.

1917
01:45:53.909 --> 01:45:54.090
Yeah.

1918
01:45:54.569 --> 01:45:57.399
Um, but when we get back, I'm going to tear

1919
01:45:57.449 --> 01:45:59.939
into midsummer a little bit and then we'll kind of

1920
01:45:59.979 --> 01:46:02.560
wrap up and, uh, and tell you about what we're

1921
01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:17.350
going to be watching next time, right after this. I

1922
01:46:17.409 --> 01:46:21.829
know there are a lot of Midsommar lovers and that's fine.

1923
01:46:22.050 --> 01:46:27.090
There's nothing wrong with loving a movie because you do.

1924
01:46:28.109 --> 01:46:32.050
I thought that Midsommar had a lot of promise, but

1925
01:46:32.069 --> 01:46:34.010
there were also a lot of things that really bothered me.

1926
01:46:34.090 --> 01:46:38.670
Like the characters had to be kind of unmitigatedly stupid

1927
01:46:38.750 --> 01:46:42.710
to just always stick around when things were getting really crazy.

1928
01:46:42.729 --> 01:46:43.350
Yeah.

1929
01:46:43.850 --> 01:46:46.029
But a lot of horror movies have that problem. So

1930
01:46:46.069 --> 01:46:48.600
I'm not going to say that that's the destruction of it.

1931
01:46:48.630 --> 01:46:49.949
Yeah, it's not special to Midsommar.

1932
01:46:50.229 --> 01:46:51.810
And I mean, the movie's really just about how white

1933
01:46:51.850 --> 01:46:54.380
people just desperately want to join European cults.

1934
01:46:55.859 --> 01:46:56.119
Yeah.

1935
01:46:56.140 --> 01:46:59.779
That's mostly white women, especially. In particular, yeah. But that's

1936
01:46:59.920 --> 01:47:04.340
what it's kind of about. But my biggest problem with Midsommar,

1937
01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:06.140
and I know I'm not the only person who thinks

1938
01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:08.560
this because I posted a video of me saying this

1939
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:12.380
on TikTok. It was out of context from a podcast

1940
01:47:12.420 --> 01:47:16.149
I'd done. But I mentioned that my problem is that

1941
01:47:16.449 --> 01:47:20.359
the moral of the story becomes, if you are a

1942
01:47:20.659 --> 01:47:24.270
victim of, And you've been traumatized, then you are just

1943
01:47:24.670 --> 01:47:27.890
malleable and can be convinced to do anything awful. And

1944
01:47:27.909 --> 01:47:30.210
it doesn't matter. Like, you are ruined forever.

1945
01:47:30.590 --> 01:47:30.850
Yeah.

1946
01:47:30.949 --> 01:47:33.369
And literally, some people were commenting, like, what are you

1947
01:47:33.390 --> 01:47:35.470
talking about? And some people were saying, like, Midsommar? Question mark.

1948
01:47:35.489 --> 01:47:37.369
And I was like, yeah, people, I'm not the only

1949
01:47:37.449 --> 01:47:40.060
one who thought that that was kind of the moral.

1950
01:47:40.140 --> 01:47:41.390
Because a lot of people were like, good for her.

1951
01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:42.689
And I'm like, yeah, good for her. She found a

1952
01:47:42.770 --> 01:47:46.739
new abusive relationship. Right. She didn't have any progress as

1953
01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:47.479
a human being.

1954
01:47:47.539 --> 01:47:48.399
Yeah, she just lived.

1955
01:47:48.420 --> 01:47:48.960
She's worse.

1956
01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:49.560
Yeah.

1957
01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:50.939
Same shit, different day.

1958
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:53.119
I mean, I think it's worse to work for a

1959
01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:55.140
murder cult than to have an asshole boyfriend.

1960
01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:58.899
And he wasn't even, he was kind of an asshole,

1961
01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:00.279
but he was just dense.

1962
01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:02.779
Uh, I mean, yeah, I mean, he could have been

1963
01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.060
a lot worse. I'll give you that. But my point

1964
01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:09.529
is that in that film, a cult sees like pay

1965
01:48:09.550 --> 01:48:13.170
dirt with a traumatized young woman and is like, we're

1966
01:48:13.189 --> 01:48:14.590
going to give you everything you want. And all you

1967
01:48:14.609 --> 01:48:16.729
have to do is like, you know, aid in a bed,

1968
01:48:16.829 --> 01:48:20.600
constant murder. And she was like, dope. But, in this movie,

1969
01:48:20.609 --> 01:48:22.779
it's like, Hey, we've taken away everything you hold dear

1970
01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:27.399
in every way possible and tormented you so deeply. Um, and,

1971
01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:30.359
and then it's like, but you're gonna, you persevere and

1972
01:48:30.420 --> 01:48:33.399
realize that you are your own person and that what

1973
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.720
matters is what you do every day and how you

1974
01:48:36.779 --> 01:48:40.500
live and the things you, the promises you keep. That's

1975
01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:42.649
a good, to me, that's a great ending.

1976
01:48:42.710 --> 01:48:43.199
Yeah.

1977
01:48:43.300 --> 01:48:47.260
Really solid, uh, you know, hero's journey. Yeah.

1978
01:48:47.619 --> 01:48:48.869
No, I absolutely agree.

1979
01:48:48.930 --> 01:48:52.310
Cause he doesn't just escape. He potentially ends the entire,

1980
01:48:53.510 --> 01:48:57.210
the whole shebang by just believing he can. Yeah. Actually

1981
01:48:57.229 --> 01:48:59.029
that's too strong. I don't even think he believed he

1982
01:48:59.050 --> 01:49:01.029
could by just doing it. You could try.

1983
01:49:01.229 --> 01:49:01.439
Yeah.

1984
01:49:01.699 --> 01:49:02.039
That's all.

1985
01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:02.279
Yeah.

1986
01:49:02.300 --> 01:49:02.920
That's all it was.

1987
01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:04.960
Cause that's why I think when he just starts lighting

1988
01:49:04.979 --> 01:49:06.520
them on fire and it's so matter of fact, I

1989
01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:08.619
think it's cause he just was like, he just, his

1990
01:49:08.659 --> 01:49:09.520
brain was like, start now.

1991
01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:10.220
Yeah.

1992
01:49:10.300 --> 01:49:12.539
You know, just start the revenge now. Like not knowing

1993
01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:13.989
if he would complete it. Yeah.

1994
01:49:14.529 --> 01:49:16.109
It's like, well, at least you take this step.

1995
01:49:16.409 --> 01:49:16.609
Yeah.

1996
01:49:17.069 --> 01:49:20.470
Well, you know, one step at a time, you know, one,

1997
01:49:20.529 --> 01:49:22.909
you know, one day at a time, one foot in

1998
01:49:22.930 --> 01:49:27.529
front of the other. So just like the drunks. But yeah,

1999
01:49:27.550 --> 01:49:29.210
so I love this movie and I think it has,

2000
01:49:29.329 --> 01:49:33.720
it has something to say about how a survivor's mentality

2001
01:49:33.850 --> 01:49:37.739
is not a curse, you know, especially when it comes

2002
01:49:37.779 --> 01:49:41.180
to like, I think it's implied, you know, by him

2003
01:49:41.260 --> 01:49:45.000
surviving and, their deaths don't have to be a mystery.

2004
01:49:45.060 --> 01:49:47.989
Their families don't have to wonder, even though it's a

2005
01:49:48.050 --> 01:49:50.729
horrible thing, they'll get to have that closure. And I

2006
01:49:50.789 --> 01:49:53.930
think that that's important and beautiful. So I, I love

2007
01:49:53.949 --> 01:49:56.250
this movie. Uh, I think it has a lot to say.

2008
01:49:56.270 --> 01:50:00.710
I think it's a fun, creepy woods romp that has,

2009
01:50:00.890 --> 01:50:03.979
you know, some eldritch horror elements that has some, some

2010
01:50:04.020 --> 01:50:04.590
great stuff in it.

2011
01:50:04.819 --> 01:50:07.920
It really does. Yeah. I, I, I'm glad we watched

2012
01:50:07.979 --> 01:50:11.779
it again. I, um, Yeah, the second watch through, I

2013
01:50:11.979 --> 01:50:17.760
think I like it even more than the first. I agree.

2014
01:50:17.779 --> 01:50:19.840
I think it has a lot to say. I think

2015
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:22.060
that it has a lot to offer. And I like

2016
01:50:22.100 --> 01:50:23.779
it so much more than Midsommar.

2017
01:50:24.539 --> 01:50:25.020
Damn.

2018
01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:27.659
You hear that, Ari Aster?

2019
01:50:27.899 --> 01:50:31.739
Yeah, he's too busy. I don't know. I don't have

2020
01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:34.460
a joke. I can't believe he made two really expensive

2021
01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:36.159
movies back to back that did a really bad job.

2022
01:50:36.460 --> 01:50:38.180
I don't hate the guy. I mean, he made one

2023
01:50:38.260 --> 01:50:40.939
really good movie. Hereditary is pretty solid, although I didn't

2024
01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:43.550
really like the ending that much. But that's a personal

2025
01:50:43.689 --> 01:50:46.289
taste thing, I think, more than anything. Kind of like

2026
01:50:46.329 --> 01:50:47.949
I love The Witch, but I didn't really like the

2027
01:50:48.069 --> 01:50:49.029
full ending.

2028
01:50:49.069 --> 01:50:49.710
Yeah.

2029
01:50:49.789 --> 01:50:52.829
I really didn't like the last bit of either ending.

2030
01:50:53.890 --> 01:50:56.289
But then he made Bo is Afraid, and we both really,

2031
01:50:57.430 --> 01:51:00.810
you know. Well, you know. But anyway, we're not here

2032
01:51:00.829 --> 01:51:02.479
to crap on that, but I will say, I mean,

2033
01:51:02.850 --> 01:51:05.960
everything I hated about how Midsommar treated the topic of

2034
01:51:06.369 --> 01:51:10.289
traumatized people and and hurt people this movie did it

2035
01:51:10.569 --> 01:51:12.899
really well yeah did it in a great way i

2036
01:51:12.939 --> 01:51:17.380
agree so that's that's where i stand on the ritual.

2037
01:51:17.659 --> 01:51:21.140
Yeah i yeah that's where i stand too and i'm

2038
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.390
not gonna stand too close to the woods because then

2039
01:51:23.649 --> 01:51:24.550
motor will get me.

2040
01:51:24.829 --> 01:51:28.390
Yep you're exactly his uh his i really am though

2041
01:51:28.409 --> 01:51:31.250
yeah and out in the woods all the time oh

2042
01:51:31.289 --> 01:51:34.439
dear so Well, what are we talking about next show?

2043
01:51:34.500 --> 01:51:38.550
Because we have one more film before we enter spooky season,

2044
01:51:38.590 --> 01:51:42.630
officially full-blown spooky season, you know, October, and we'll be

2045
01:51:42.689 --> 01:51:48.569
covering some appropriate Halloween-y movies. But what are we covering

2046
01:51:48.609 --> 01:51:49.010
next show?

2047
01:51:49.550 --> 01:51:52.350
Next show, we're going to be covering The Cell.

2048
01:51:52.939 --> 01:51:57.079
From 2000. Yeah. A kind of turning point horror film.

2049
01:51:57.609 --> 01:52:01.220
that was breaking the mold that was being established by

2050
01:52:01.340 --> 01:52:06.100
scream by kind of doing something different after the trend

2051
01:52:06.140 --> 01:52:10.439
had been established by scream the whole meta slasher self-aware thing.

2052
01:52:10.739 --> 01:52:12.760
But the cell goes in a whole other way, a

2053
01:52:12.920 --> 01:52:15.859
dreamy direction. I've always felt that the film was kind

2054
01:52:15.899 --> 01:52:18.140
of underrated, although it was a pretty big deal when

2055
01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.600
it came out. Was it a flop? I came out

2056
01:52:20.979 --> 01:52:22.979
too long ago for me to have known that. As

2057
01:52:23.020 --> 01:52:26.260
a kid, if it was a flop. Yeah. No, it

2058
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:28.920
was not a flop. It did $ 104 million against a

2059
01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:32.439
$ 33 million budget. Holy cow. So it was a phenomena.

2060
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:33.239
Okay.

2061
01:52:33.380 --> 01:52:36.430
Good for them. And if you've never seen The Cell,

2062
01:52:36.729 --> 01:52:41.609
it's available to rent, buy on YouTube, Google Play, Apple TV,

2063
01:52:41.670 --> 01:52:45.810
Fandango at Home, Amazon Prime Video, basically anywhere you rent movies.

2064
01:52:46.170 --> 01:52:46.350
Yeah.

2065
01:52:46.529 --> 01:52:48.529
You can check it out before we talk about it

2066
01:52:48.949 --> 01:52:49.560
in a week or two.

2067
01:52:50.539 --> 01:52:51.800
I highly recommend it.

2068
01:52:52.090 --> 01:52:56.649
Well, what was that? How'd that go? So, uh, with

2069
01:52:56.670 --> 01:52:58.649
that all being said, anything else you've got to say?

2070
01:52:58.670 --> 01:53:02.619
I'm afraid to, cause my tongue doesn't want to cooperate now.

2071
01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:06.140
That is very fair point. Well, Thank you all for

2072
01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:08.600
joining us here on cutting deep into horror. We sure

2073
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:10.689
do appreciate it. If you want to send us an email,

2074
01:53:10.729 --> 01:53:13.289
whether it's to recommend a film, tell us we're right

2075
01:53:13.390 --> 01:53:16.710
or wrong about a movie opinion, anything at all. We'd

2076
01:53:16.729 --> 01:53:20.210
love to hear from you at weekly spooky at gmail.com.

2077
01:53:20.270 --> 01:53:23.100
Just send us an email. We'd love to hear from you. Also,

2078
01:53:23.140 --> 01:53:24.460
if you love this show and you want to help

2079
01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:26.180
us in a very direct way, there's two things you

2080
01:53:26.220 --> 01:53:28.500
can do. One that doesn't cost a penny, which is

2081
01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:30.579
to head to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and leave us

2082
01:53:30.619 --> 01:53:33.600
a five star rating. So other horror movie and horror

2083
01:53:33.659 --> 01:53:36.159
story lovers will know they're in the right place. Or

2084
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:38.800
you can head to weeklyspooky.com slash join, where for as

2085
01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:40.979
little as $ 1 a month, you get two bonus shows

2086
01:53:41.020 --> 01:53:44.350
every month and over six years of exclusive audiobooks and

2087
01:53:44.430 --> 01:53:49.149
creepypasta readings at weeklyspooky.com slash join. So thank you guys

2088
01:53:49.170 --> 01:53:51.010
so much for joining us, and we'll be back next

2089
01:53:51.090 --> 01:53:55.020
time to talk all about The Cell and J-Lo. Until then,

2090
01:53:55.420 --> 01:53:56.279
stay out of the woods.

2091
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:56.920
What?

2092
01:53:56.979 --> 01:54:00.060
She's in the film. She is. Jeez. And we'll catch

2093
01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:01.060
you next time.