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May 22, 2026

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Cloverfield & Eerie Found Footage Horror

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Cloverfield & Eerie Found Footage Horror
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Key Takeaways

  • Cloverfield redefined found footage horror with its realistic panic and immersive monster spectacle.
  • The film's innovative viral marketing campaign created pre-release buzz and integrated mystery into the viewing experience.
  • Cloverfield's depiction of NYC devastation resonates with post-9/11 disaster imagery, adding a layer of unsettling immediacy.
  • The episode compares Cloverfield to other found footage classics like The Blair Witch Project, highlighting its unique approach to terror.
  • Despite its age, Cloverfield remains a compelling and relevant example of modern monster and disaster horror.

Eerie found footage chaos meets scary viral marketing mystery in Cloverfield (2008). Director Matt Reeves, writer Drew Goddard, and producer J. J. Abrams crafted a mature-themes monster movie that redefined how handheld perspective creates terror. Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfi revisit the kaiju-style attack, NYC devastation, and cult-classic status of this explosive creature-feature on Cutting Deep into Horror—one of the 2000s' most unsettling disaster horrors.

Cloverfield remains a cult-favorite found footage monster movie built on shaky-cam panic, post-9/11 imagery, mysterious viral marketing, and the unforgettable sight of New York City collapsing under something enormous, unknowable, and very, very hungry.

Inside this episode:

Henrique and Rachael dig into why Cloverfield still works as a found footage horror movie, even with a studio-sized monster spectacle roaring behind the handheld camera.

They revisit the original mystery-box marketing campaign, the untitled teaser, the online speculation, the Lost and Godzilla rumors, and the way the film turned pre-release confusion into a major part of the experience.

The conversation walks through the movie’s biggest nightmare images: the Statue of Liberty’s head in the street, the collapsing city, the subway parasite attack, the rescue mission for Beth, the helicopter crash, Operation Hammer Down, and that final Coney Island clue hiding in plain sight.

They also get into the film’s lingering connection to 9/11-era disaster imagery, why handheld horror depends so heavily on realism, how Cloverfield compares to The Blair Witch Project and other found footage films, and why the movie’s sense of panic still feels unusually immediate.

Plus, they discuss the cast, Matt Reeves’ later career, Steven Spielberg’s reported influence on the ending, the monster’s mysterious origin, and whether Cloverfield still holds up nearly two decades later.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Why is Cloverfield considered a landmark of found footage horror?

Cloverfield utilizes shaky-cam techniques and a sense of intense realism to create palpable panic, effectively immersing viewers in the monster attack.

How did Cloverfield's viral marketing contribute to its success?

The mystery-box marketing campaign, including cryptic teasers and online speculation, generated significant hype and became an integral part of the film's innovative release strategy.

What is the connection between Cloverfield and 9/11-era disaster imagery?

The film's portrayal of a collapsing New York City and the ensuing chaos taps into anxieties and visual themes prevalent in the post-9/11 era, enhancing its unsettling impact.

Does Cloverfield still hold up as a found footage horror movie today?

Yes, the episode argues that Cloverfield's blend of intense realism, effective marketing, and iconic disaster scenes continues to make it a potent and relevant horror experience.

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saw something in there, like it was oh god, everyone's like,

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how how's my hair?

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the better light.

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to hear here, like if they kind of move it

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to the side, I feel. Don't you don't lick your

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finger and touch my hair. You're not my mom, Okay,

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, What deep,

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dark secret scary cinema shines a light on The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Welcome back, my spookies to another edition of Cutting Deep

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into Horror. I'm, of course, your host Enrique Kuto here

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with my co host Rachel Ridolfi, and tonight we are

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talking about one of the quintessential early two thousand films,

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especially in the found footage genre, two thousand and eight's Cloverfield,

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which I mean, I'm gonna give you to realize though,

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you just like got all like yeah, I'm gonna give

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you a beating for the fact that you haven't seen

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paranormal activity.

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I know, I know you actually, I'm I'm I am

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lacking in my found footage education just kind of you're.

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Just kind of opposer at all. Know, you're just kind of,

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you know, claiming cred that you didn't earn or whatever.

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And we're not even going to talk about the fact

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that I hadn't seen Blair Witch Project until you showed

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it to me.

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I was trying to be nice to you, but I

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appreciate you. It's like the children crave the minds. You

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crave under the bus. You know that's where you're.

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Gonna crawl under there, right right ways, good, good, good, Well,

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if you've never seen Cloverfield, or if you're like me

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and you hadn't seen it since two thousand and nine,

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it is available to watch free on Pluto TV with.

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Ads, so completely no cost to you, and of course

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you could rent it on the usual suspects like YouTube,

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Google Play, Apple TV, Fandango at Home, and Amazon Prime Video.

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don't know how many, but we've done so many episodes

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of This Week in Horror History on Tuesdays that it's

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gotten to become like a game for myself of how

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can I say, and available to rent on Amazon Prime Video,

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Apple TV, and Fandango at Home, because it's always unless

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it's free to watch on one of those services. That

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is always the last three things of every single thing.

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you can watch it, which I also didn't expect so

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many people to think that that was like sponsored content,

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a true blue movie nerd. I never once thought, oh,

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rewatch it or whatever. So I never once thought that

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you know, the the sponsorship direct sponsorship egg. Yet you really,

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like I just I just would. It's the can of words.

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of fun.

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just keep running with the details. But that that really

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really has nothing to do with anything. So but no,

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we you know that fun. But I did enjoy revisiting Cloverfield.

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I wasn't a huge fan of it when it came out.

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don't have as as solid of a as varied of

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a found footage education as you probably should.

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I It's okay, I have enough credentials for both of us,

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I guess.

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GiB GiB. Yeah. My biggest problem with it, we'll talk

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about it a ton as the film, as we talk

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about the film more directly, is that it's very glossy. Yeah,

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for those who I hope tuned in on Wednesday and

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listen to our four hundredth episode special, the final broadcast,

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which was almost two hours long, written by Yours Truly,

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performed by myself with special guestar Dwayne Whittaker from Pulp

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Fiction and from Dusk Till Dawn, Texas, Blood Money and

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Devil's Rejects and Halloween two by Rob Zombie. It was

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awesome having Dwayne be a part of it. And Dwayne

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listened to it last night. Oh me, how much you

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liked it?

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Oh God?

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I said it was really cool. But for those who

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It's a gnat or something. I don't know.

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Why would you talk about it?

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No, I noticed a few nets. You don't have any

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any fruit or something laying around somewhere, do you?

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No? But I'll do it.

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talk about the other things, but no, I just I'm

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night I got a little over seven hours in one night,

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which I'm usually a six to seven hour sleeper, but

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I've had like, I think it was five nights in

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a row where I got about five or so. So

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I'm on some sleep debt. Hence things like saying whatever

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the opposite of detrimental is I don't know why. I

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like how. It's like I only know the negative whatever.

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The opposite of not helpful is wait. So but no,

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I hope everybody enjoyed that. That was a really cool

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experience putting it out into the world. And if you

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haven't listened yet, check out Wednesday's show, the final broadcast.

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It is one of my proudest achievements on Weekly Spooky.

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And next week I don't know if I want to

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tease it here yet, but there's probably gonna be something

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not dropping on Thursday for the first time ever, and

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which means the show Weekly Spooky will officially be publishing

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seven days a week.

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Boy howdy.

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Yeah, Yeah, that escalated somewhat quickly, but I think it's

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going to be really cool. I think people are going

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to enjoy it. So anyway, with all that being said

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you wanted to tell everybody a little bit about an

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event you.

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Have coming up, Yeah, I do so. June eleventh through fourteenth,

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down in College Corner, Ohio at Hannon Camp, America.

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Could you give people a context of what's near College.

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Corner Houston would stay park is? Like?

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Is it your Oxford, Ohio?

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It is kind of ner Oxford, Ohio?

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don't know what part of Ohio that is, then it

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doesn't it's not super helpful.

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I would say Southwest Ohio.

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I mean, yeah, but we're in southwest Ohio.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I'm just saying, like, like, you know, what's what's nearest?

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Now, the closest landmark I've always said.

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I mean, I met like they're not going to a landmarks.

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I mean like College Corner is literally on the border

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of Indiana.

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That's why they it's corner.

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I thought it was because it was near the college. Yeah,

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it's it's literally in Oxford Township. Okay, yeah, yeah, Okay,

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so it's it's basically in Oxford, Ohio basically. Okay, that's

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I'm sorry. I just want to make sure people can

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contextualize it.

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No, that's no, thank you for helping, because that does help.

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But yeah, so eleventh through fourteenth of June is a

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big event called geek Out, And the best way I

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can describe it is, you know, it's a camping event

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and picture one part Comic Con and then another part Bonnaroo,

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and that's pretty much the vibe that they're going for.

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So like throughout the day there's like cosplaying contests, and

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they've got different you know, different panels. They've got a

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LARPing trail going on throughout the day, they've got a

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bounce house for kids, and then at night you know,

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of course all the ed M music and all that

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sort of fun stuff. So I have a big booth

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there and people should come and visit.

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Okay, well yeah, so if you guys are into that

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kind of geeky camping thing and you don't mind figuring

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out where it is, it's I double check. It's really

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close to Oxford, Ohio, which makes sense because it's near

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the college relatively speaking. So so yeah, so not far

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from like Camden, Ohio, Cincinnati. Closer to Cincinnati than us

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slightly maybe, I actually no, it's exactly the same distance.

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Apart from Cincy and Dayton. So yeah, you kind of.

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Wine where they're because they recently changed their website, so

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I'm trying to make sure I have the correct website.

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Oh okay, that would have been something to do before

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the show.

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Yeah, I just realized, like, oh, why didn't I do that?

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I don't know, but gotta love dead Air. I mean

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I do love what happens when I give you a favor.

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You're like, hey, can I plug that? I'm like yes,

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and you're like, okay, well I won't.

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Yeah, Oh well no, no, I can't find it. Okay,

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I found it. Okay. It's geek Out Festival dot com.

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And they actually did make that easy on me. I

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shouldn't have made that hard on you.

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Just assumed there would be a challenge because you're always

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up for one.

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Yeah, so I made it worse than it had to be.

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So geek Out Festival dot Com is where you can

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get the tickets June eleventh through fourteenth at Hannon's Camp

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America in College Corner, which.

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Is is the camp Oh yeah yeah, near ox near

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Oxvane High near the Camden College. I guess or something.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know education,

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but is it haunted or anything?

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Come on, I will say that one year one of

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their special guests was the original actor who played Jason.

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Oh yeah, Ari Leahman.

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Yeah yea Ari.

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Yeah, I've been to a million shows with him. Yeah,

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I love Ari. Nothing against Ari. He played Jason Vorhees

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in Friday Thirteenth Part one. He was the little kid

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at the end spoiler alert, forty years old that jumps

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out of the water and grabs the girl at the

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end with the big hydrocephalic head and everything, which was makeup.

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I mean, he doesn't actually have a hydrocephalic head. But

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Ari's super nice guy. But he is definitely and I

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gotta give him respect. He is definitely shamelessly made being

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the first Jason his thingcause his band is called First Jason.

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But he is like I could not, I literally couldn't

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say a negative word about him. I cannot. I've never

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heard anybody. The only like rumblings of crummy things people

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say about Ari are only does is be first Jason.

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It's like, well, you know, what, were you the first

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Jason Vorhees? Well then you don't know what. Yeah, probably

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you'd probably talk about it too. So I actually really

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so uh and he's always been nice to me and

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my friends, so uh but yeah, so geek out. That

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was When was that again?

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June eleventh through fourteenth?

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Okay, yeah, if you go there and camp, not only

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can you meet Rachel, but you can you know, see

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her particularly unshowered.

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I guess there are showers there, but they're uh not great.

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It's gleat. It's like those camp showers, you know. So

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it's just like a big line of showers and.

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What makes that not Okay? So it's cold is what

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makes it not great?

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Yeah? So cold is it not great?

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So you are so spoiled? Yeah that to you, a

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shower isn't a shower unless it's warm. Yes, spoiled rotten.

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When I hear it's not a great charm, I'm like,

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what does it only? Does it only turn on for

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eighty seconds? Like like you're like, it's cold, Well, it's.

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Cold and the water pressure isn't great. Also because like again,

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it's like a camp. It's like a camp shower, So like.

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Don't for all I know, camp showers have incredible.

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That's right, you haven't really like ever, I.

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Mean, but I also don't know why it wouldn't have.

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I mean, it could just have crazy good pressure. I mean,

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you don't know because you're.

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Like right there. No, the water pressure's kind of But

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I'm not like I'm saying it's a bad No, I'm

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just saying it's a camping it's a camping experience. But no,

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the music's great. Actually, my friends there in the band

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Auto Roller, and they're going to be there. There's several

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other musicians and I can't remember any of them off

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the top of my head. I'm not going to try.

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And I mean, well, this wasn't off the top of

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your head. You asked me hours ago to talk about

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this on the show.

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But yeah, it's it's a it's a great.

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Time, okay. I mean you've kind of sold that it's awful.

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But no, And then the folks who run geek out

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they're all very cool. The people who've been there are

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all really great. I went a few years back. The

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only reason I don't attend to tend is because I can't.

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I don't want to camp there. Well it's not that

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I don't want to, but I can't. I really can't

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be there for three days. Yeah, So and if I did,

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I would really I would need a minimum of best Western.

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That's my Yeah, that's my personal Well, because it's a

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weekend event, so so don't really make it easy for

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you to come for a day. Yeah and fair Yeah yeah,

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but anyway, I just didn't want people to think I

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was actually digging at it and insulting it.

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No, you seem to have fun last time I did.

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I did. No, I would only put you down. I

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would never put the event down.

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Thank you. That's the way it should be.

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Well, we're going to take a quick break and when

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we come back, we're going to talk about Cloverfield, and

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Rachel's going to go into why it hit her so hard.

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I'm going to go into why I didn't love it

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the first time I saw it, and a whole lot more.

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Or is it so, Rachel, how did you first see Cloverfield?

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Uh? Cloverfield actually was one of the few movies that independently,

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you know, I saw on my own. Ever, no like

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from you, because I know that a lot of horror movies,

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like you've introduced me to them, or like I've I've

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been introduced to them by other people. Sure, Cloverfield I

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saw I saw the initial like teaser trailer for Cloverfield

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when I went to see the first transfer Transformers movie.

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So I was like I was one of those people

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that was caught up like in the arg and like

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trying to figure out the mystery of it, like before

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the movie was even released. So I was like super

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hyped about it when it came out. So I was

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obviously going to see it in theaters, you know, like

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open weekend of two thousand and eight.

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Well, do you want to expound on, like on the

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that marketing push. I was not really privy.

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To it so along with you know, because the original trailer,

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like it didn't say the name or anything. It just

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showed a, you know, some brief clips of the party,

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and then it showed everybody on the rooftop watching the explosion,

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and then it showed chaos in the streets, and then

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the iconic shot of the head of the Statue of

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Liberty flying through the air and then crashing onto the ground,

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and then it just said one eighteen eight, and like

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that's all we had. If you went to one eighteen

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eight dot com, it would have a count do countdown,

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but if you like waited for a certain set amount

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of time, it would like make noises and you could

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find like hidden links on that website easter Eggs, Easter Eggs.

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There were also like MySpace pages for all the characters

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that would like have blog posts, so kind of like

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everybody was leaving leading their lives leading up to the

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movie coming out, So there was a lot of like

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Internet speculation.

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It was kind of like Blair Witch Project on steroids. Well, yeah,

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they must have spent a fortune on budget or on

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marketing because the budget was thirty million dollars. Yeah, I

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think that's the most expensive found footage movie ever made.

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I think you're right.

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I mean I can't think of another one that would

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be even close to that. Usually found footage movies are cheap, Yeah,

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kind of one of the big benefits of them. Did

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you know that when all of this was coming out,

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there was an immense amount of speculation about what it was. Yeah,

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what were some of your favorite speculations.

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Well, the one that I was hoping for was I

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personally hoped that it was going to finally be a

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Godzilla movie.

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I mean finally, but there was a Godzilla movie like

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barely ten years earlier.

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We don't want to talk about that Godzilla movie.

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What you got against Matthew Broderick. I mean, you did

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have kind of a rough go there.

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I have grown to like that Godzilla movie, but yeah,

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I wasn't initially pleased with it, so I was hoping

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it was going to be like a more badass Godzilla

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is what I was.

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I hated the nineties Godzilla movie. Was that ninth? That

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was that ninety six or ninety nine?

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I think it was ninety nine.

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Huh yeah, I think because they.

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Titled god Godzilla two thousand is what they did.

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No, No, oh no, that was a different movie. No,

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that was No, you're right, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure

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Godzilla two thousand was a Toho movie.

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Yeah. No, you're right.

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Yeah, Godzilla two thousand was uh yeah, that was the one.

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That one was, alright, Gozilla two thousand. No.

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I found myself confused.

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Well, how could you possibly confuse there's only like forty

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eight Godzilla movies.

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Well, I know you have all of them memorized.

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I don't. Actually, that's no, it's a heck of a lot.

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I can. I have like all of the night round

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Elm Streets. That's easy. I have all the Friday the thirteenth,

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not necessarily release date, but I can tell you the

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order of the subtitle. Yeah, Halloween I can do. But Godzilla,

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I mean, I can do okay with the Showa era

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at best. But there's a lot of Godzilla movies and

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those ninety the Hensi era I'm actually not that familiar with.

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But I always liked those because i'd catch them on

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Sci Fi Channel in the afternoons when I was in

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my teens. Yeah, so i'd like to I would like

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to revisit those. But so, the biggest rumble was Godzilla. Yeah,

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I remember that very actively. However, one of the other

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big speculations due to jj abrams involvement, was that it

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was a spin off too Lost.

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That was the other thing I was really rooting for

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because I was a huge Lost stand and I was

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not pleased with the finale.

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Shocked, absolutely shocked. No that you like Lost and that

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you weren't pleased with the finale. But another one that

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I remember people talking about a lot. People were really

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hoping it was going to be the they were finally

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going to have a Voltron movie, an America movie.

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I remember hearing.

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That that was the big thing people were kind of

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like rooting for was Yeah, it was that, And then

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there were some people. I remember some rumblings that I

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never thought were accurate, where a lot of people thought

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it was going to be an HP Lovecraft yeah thing,

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, thirty million or I

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don't know if I knew exactly what you cost by

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so yeah, yeah, a big budget HP Lovecraft thing, that's

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what they're doing. That sounds right. But I will say

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I thought it was ballsy to market, to spend so

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much money and market so hard on a found footage

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movie and have it be entirely original because there's no

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shortage of giant monsters as we just you know, went

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through some and and people thought that it was going

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to be a ton of other of other like Japanese

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properties were being converted to a you know, made for

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an American audience. What was it? Uh? There was another one,

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but now it's escaping me. There was another one other

447
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than Voltron that people thought maybe that was what it

448
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.359
was going to be. When the marketing was happening, I

449
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.279
was at that point I was just getting my footing

450
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.200
back in Ohio, so I wasn't really plugged in very

451
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:35.480
well honestly, So I don't really recall the marketing that

452
00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:37.759
much but I do remember hearing people, some people say like,

453
00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.200
oh man, it might be the new Godzilla movie. And

454
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.880
then I do remember a few people saying like, dude,

455
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.119
they're finally going to do Voltron, and I was like cool.

456
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.839
I didn't. I mean, I vaguely know what Vultron is,

457
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.920
you know, So I was like cool. But then when

458
00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.839
I saw it, I actually saw it on a bootleg

459
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:56.960
because I believe it leaked.

460
00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:00.680
Oh yeah, they were fighting leaks left and right, so

461
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.519
like they had to go through several different title changes

462
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.880
for the movie just to try and keep it secret

463
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.279
while they were filming.

464
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.759
Yeah, it had a well, and that's not uncommon anyway

465
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.440
to use fake titles. I could I could almost tell

466
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.359
you all of the fake titles that Fight at Thirteenth

467
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.200
shot under because they didn't want people to know they

468
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:21.119
were making Fright at Thirteenth Movies because they didn't want

469
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:24.559
to get attention. Part five was called Repetition. They were

470
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.880
all David Bowie song titles. Oh that is fun. Well,

471
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.240
one of the producers was really into Bowie, I guess.

472
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.519
But so I remember my cousin had gotten a bootleg,

473
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.680
so we watched it, and my biggest problem was it

474
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:45.000
looked really glossy and really expensive.

475
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:45.720
Mm mm hmm.

476
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:50.079
And not in not not necessarily because of the set

477
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.319
pieces and the monsters and the special effects, which were

478
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.640
trailblazing for the time, for sure, but because like the

479
00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.720
lighting was always kind of perfect, the sound was always

480
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.640
per and a lot of found footage movies have that

481
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.079
problem mm hmm. And that's a fine line that's hard

482
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.279
to walk, because you know, if you have bad sound constantly,

483
00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:13.119
people are just gonna stop watching. Yeah, I'll go into

484
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.279
that more. I can talk about the fascinating world of

485
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.599
making found footage movies for the mass market in a

486
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.920
little bit. But that was my first time finally seeing

487
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.119
the movie, And when we get back, you can dive

488
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.400
into when you finally plopped your happy ass down and

489
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.960
gave it a watch right after this.

490
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:49.039
So obviously I was like rabidly waiting for Cloverfield to

491
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.440
drop after seeing the initial teaser trailer and when I

492
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:54.799
finally watched it.

493
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:57.640
Paint a picture. How did you watch it? Did you?

494
00:25:58.119 --> 00:25:59.920
I went to the theater. I went to the theater.

495
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.200
I went with see I'm pretty certain I went with

496
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.559
my boyfriend at the time and a bunch of other

497
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.920
friends at the time, we were all kind of that

498
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.039
was the geek loft era where we were all renting

499
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:18.440
a three bedroom apartment above the Boston's Pub.

500
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.200
Oh okay, I remember you telling about that. Didn't you

501
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:22.079
like literally live in.

502
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.079
A in a I didn't, but our friend Jess lived

503
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.759
in the closet. We ran out of bedrooms, so we

504
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.359
were like, well, there's the big closet, the big walking closs.

505
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.039
She's like okay.

506
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:31.640
So it was fun.

507
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:33.759
So like we would just open the closet up and

508
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.880
Jess is just sitting there watching the Mighty Boosh on

509
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.480
her laptop and she'd be like, hey, you want some beans.

510
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:45.359
It was a running joke anyway, Well, good, good. So

511
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.039
a bunch of us went to the theater. I was like, amped,

512
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.480
you know, we go. I don't think it was opening night,

513
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.039
but it had to have been opening weekend. And I

514
00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.880
had never like, I was aware of the found footage genre,

515
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:05.799
but I have, Oh thank you. I was aware of

516
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:10.279
that genry. No, no, it's found footage, but I'd never

517
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.759
actually seen a found footage film myself. So this was

518
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.039
like my first introduction to found footage. So, you know,

519
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.319
you know, the movie starts and when shit really started

520
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:29.039
hitting the fan. It it. That's when I had that

521
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:34.119
moment where I realized, like, oh, I am five hundred

522
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.079
percent more engaged with this than I would have been

523
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.240
if it was a traditional monster movie. Because I'm in

524
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.359
the movie right now through the lens of the camera.

525
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.240
I'm not being told the story because it's you know,

526
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.799
regular cinematography. I am experiencing the chaos because you know

527
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:55.880
it's a handheld camera right there, right there, And so

528
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.319
it like really had more of an emotional impact, I

529
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.759
think than if I had seen any other found footage

530
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.599
because it was like such a such a raw new

531
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.839
experience for me. Uh so I would and like I

532
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.440
love monster movies, so like the whole monster movie aspect

533
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.359
that you know, down to the parasites and like all

534
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.000
of it. I was way into it. So I came

535
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.839
out of that movie like loving it more than ever.

536
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.759
And you know, I bought it as soon as it

537
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:32.640
came out on DVD, and you know, I people people

538
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.519
would like start ragging on me because shortly thereafter is

539
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:37.440
when I got a job at Hollywood Video, and they'd

540
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.680
be like ragging on me, like, how is it that

541
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.200
you've seen Cloverfield and you've never seen any other found

542
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.759
footage movies, And I'm like, no, you don't understand, Like

543
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.640
I just now have gotten the chance to go out

544
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.480
and experience these movies for myself.

545
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.359
Yeah, I would have been like, how is it that

546
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.119
you work at Hollywood Video in two thousand and nine?

547
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:01.119
You know that's later in the air. Well, they were

548
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:05.559
still kicking because Blockbuster didn't announce until twenty thirteen. That's

549
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.640
when they officially said, like it's all closing.

550
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.000
So yeah, they're there for like six months I think

551
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.960
before they started closing with store.

552
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.680
I don't remember exactly when Hollywood dropped. Yeah. Yeah, but

553
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.119
that's interesting. I mean like found footage because we've talked

554
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.759
about it a lot that you know, it's a fascinating subgenre.

555
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.920
There have been, there have been found footage movies, because

556
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.440
in my opinion, the found footage movie is only a

557
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.440
takeoff on one of the one on a literary concept

558
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:39.119
so popular that nobody even really designates it, which is

559
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.039
the fake journal. Yeah, like nobody says like, oh I

560
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:43.839
just read this new book. It's a really good fake

561
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.960
journal or like a pretend diary. They almost never do that.

562
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.480
I mean, Dracula is a diary. Yeah, yeah, so, and

563
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.720
to me, that's like the that was like the proto

564
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:59.720
found footage concept or mockumentary concept, which was another thing

565
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:04.799
that came about in the late sixties. Because that's really

566
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.200
how I mean, I don't quote me on this. One day.

567
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.039
I should do a deep I should do a personal

568
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:15.559
like deep dive for my you know, for reasons about

569
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.880
what was the actual first found footage movie. But a

570
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.880
lot of people believe it was Cannibal Holocaust. And we've

571
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.599
talked about Cannibal Holocaust on the show a lot and

572
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:29.279
people some people have seen Cannibal Holocaust and therefore love it,

573
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.799
and some people have tried to watch Cannibal Holocaust and

574
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.960
therefore do not like it because it is a challenging

575
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.279
piece of art that you really have to get the

576
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.680
whole picture to understand it. And even then you may

577
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:42.640
and you may think it was good, but you don't

578
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.039
like it. That's fine too. Yeah. I think we'll finally

579
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.960
do Cannibal Holocaust when the four K comes out, which

580
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.839
probably next year, Okay, I think that's when we'll finally

581
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.759
do it, because I'd really like to revisit it when

582
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.400
I like, when I'm seeing the four K for the

583
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.319
first time, because that's a movie that really does mean

584
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.359
a lot to me. I think it's a really brilliant

585
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.160
piece of storytelling. But anyway, Cannibal Holocaust came about. I

586
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.599
don't know if I went into this on the show

587
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.759
about the birth of found footage, but it really all

588
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:16.440
comes down to the earliest era of filmmaking was movies

589
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.039
and shorts at the beginning, right, And the shorts weren't

590
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:26.240
always cartoons. Sometimes they were three stooges. Sometimes they were

591
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.440
newsreels because that was a really popular way to get

592
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.480
visual media because television was at best in its infancy

593
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.279
and at worst just not existent. You had radio, and

594
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.960
then you had the movies, and once talkie pictures happened,

595
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.200
people like getting their news at the movies. They'd get

596
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.160
them from newsreels. That's why you see in all of those,

597
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:50.759
like all these like all kinds of parodies in media

598
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.640
where it'll be like, you know, April twenty six, nineteen,

599
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.160
you know thirty seven Hitler's Boys, I've moved on to

600
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.720
blah blah blah. Those are that's what newsreels were aring. Yeah,

601
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.400
they're parodying news, but those would literally be at the

602
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:03.799
beginning of your movie. So in a way, it made

603
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.160
going to the movies more I don't want to say intellectual,

604
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.519
but like a little bit more highalutine, because you could

605
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:15.359
get informed. Now, of course, you were getting informed by

606
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.920
you know, basically the American government, so you weren't I mean,

607
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.119
you were getting a side of whatever was happening. But

608
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.079
you know, but I dare say, and this is going

609
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.480
to be controversial, I dare say, probably didn't need to

610
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.599
hear Hitler's side, just you're going to put that out.

611
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.799
There's just going to put it out there.

612
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:36.960
I don't really, you know, I don't.

613
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.359
I don't think he had much to add to any conversation.

614
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.000
No, no, he didn't. And we're gonna take on that note.

615
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.839
We're gonna take a quick break and then i'll i'll,

616
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.359
you know, bust out the whiteboard and and talk about

617
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.079
the birth of found footage a little bit right after this.

618
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.720
Why are you excited? It makes no sense. You have

619
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:15.599
to heard this before, yikes, at least five times. So

620
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.759
when it comes to the concept of found footage movies,

621
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.640
you have that era of the newsreel I was talking about,

622
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.160
and the newsreels led into a very popular film genre

623
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.920
called the travel log, which was basically they noticed that

624
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.000
people really got excited when if there wasn't a war

625
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.000
going people's they were very excited that when the news

626
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.480
would go somewhere far away, somewhere remote, that people who

627
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.680
are watching it would probably never go to which made

628
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.680
sense if you think about what kind of books and

629
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.839
comic books and TV shows were really popular in those

630
00:33:53.920 --> 00:34:00.599
eras Alan quatermain stories, the Amazon. Everything Amazon was massive,

631
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.640
the and I don't mean the company, I mean, you know,

632
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.200
the rainforests, everything Amazon. The forties and fifties, people were

633
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.079
just fascinated with the idea of the tribes and headhunters,

634
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.480
and I mean all of it was like a massive

635
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.440
part of the era of what people thought about day

636
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.639
and day out, you know, as far as like fantasies

637
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.000
about far away places and yeada YadA. So these travelog

638
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.480
movies became really popular for that.

639
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:24.719
Yeah.

640
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.639
Well, one of the big benefits of travelog movies, and

641
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.119
I'm trying to keep it moving, is they got heavily

642
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:38.480
exploited by in particular Italian filmmakers. Yeah. Well it's because

643
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.800
of fascism, because no, because Mussolini was a big film fan,

644
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.320
and he opened a film school, a state film school.

645
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.800
So Italy and to a lesser extent, Spain had a

646
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:55.719
disproportionate amount of filmmakers in their nation. Huh. That's that's

647
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.079
really what it came down to. So if you wanted

648
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.360
to be a cinematographer or a director or whatever, you

649
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.760
could just go to the State School for Film. Now,

650
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.599
there were a lot of negative things about the State

651
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.039
School for Film, a lot of them. I mean, you

652
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.079
weren't you literally weren't allowed to record sync sound because

653
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.719
they wanted to hear every line of dialogue as it

654
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.239
was recorded, so you had to do it all in post.

655
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.719
You had to do it after the fact because they

656
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.199
were worried about subvers subversive stuff in the movies. Yeah,

657
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.639
and Generalio Generalalissimo Francisco Franco in Spain, he was also

658
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.360
you know, he was a I would say he was

659
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.960
a lighter handed fascist than Mussolini, but he had a

660
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.559
lot of things too, But he was more he was

661
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.280
kind of a little more devil may care. He would

662
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.800
be like, oh, you want to make like this movie,

663
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.639
this objectionable movie in Spain and use Spanish cruise, Well,

664
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.719
don't set it in Spain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he would

665
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:49.960
just be like, if it's not set in Spain, I

666
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.400
don't really care that much. So they would make They

667
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.000
made like The Living Dead at Manchester Morgue, which I

668
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:57.840
still can't believe. I'd never seen it. I could not

669
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.119
believe how much I loved that movie. But they literally

670
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.159
it ended up getting its title because they had to.

671
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.159
They were filming it all in Spain, and there was

672
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.199
like the Spanish censors looked at the script and we're like,

673
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:12.679
don't set it in here, because like we don't want

674
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.559
that to be related to Spain. But we'll take your money.

675
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.599
So anyway. But so the reason travelog movies were such

676
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.599
a great thing for them was because there was no

677
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.280
you don't record sound on travelog movies back then. It's

678
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.559
all b roll and then a voice much like the

679
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.119
newsreel saying you know in the Amazon nineteen forty six,

680
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.519
you know, et cetera. Yeah, So when you think about

681
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.760
the way that foreign films were sold, they were sold

682
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.800
to be dubbed into English, you know, for American audiences.

683
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.639
Hence Godzilla or Slee movies, just tons of stuff, all

684
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.760
kinds of foreign movies. This made it even easier because

685
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.599
they could make a movie and then hand it to

686
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.079
the American distributor and they would just dub in the voiceover.

687
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.480
There was easiest possible way to do it. But then

688
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.320
they started noticing that they made more and more money,

689
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.119
the more salacious and wild. They got to the point

690
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:08.760
where the voiceover started lying and saying things like this

691
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.320
tribe that's clearly eating chickens, is eating the you know,

692
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.920
the bodies of their, the flesh of their, of the

693
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.800
warring tribe after years of battle, and people would flock

694
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.159
because of like, oh my god. And that was the

695
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.000
birth of what was called the Mondo movie. Mondo means

696
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:31.599
world in Italian and in Spanish, but like it came

697
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.280
from the film Mondo Kane, which basically means dog's world,

698
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.719
and that was an Italian film that purportedly showed all

699
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.239
of the craziness of the world, and they went to

700
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.480
those places, although later on they got really lazy and

701
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.320
started just filming in Malta. But like, right, isn't that great?

702
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.679
Like eventually it got really lazy, like, hey, let's just

703
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.079
film in Malta. Isn't there a jungle in one part

704
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.679
of Spain? Let's just go there, it's like that it's

705
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:58.760
a train ride away. But the reason that this I'm

706
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.119
trying to not dig regress too much, but the reason

707
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:02.599
that this worked so well for them was because they

708
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.800
were on the other side of the world. Yeah, and

709
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.320
international travel was different for Europeans. It was easier for

710
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.400
them to get to Indonesia, it was easier for them

711
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.599
to get to Africa. To some extent, it was easier

712
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.039
for them to get to the Amazon because Brazil had

713
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.880
only recently been released from Portugal one hundred years ago.

714
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.199
I mean, there were just a lot of things like that.

715
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.519
So it was much easier for an Italian film crew

716
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.599
to just go to the Amazon and film moment stuff

717
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.920
and come back. It was just not that difficult. That's

718
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.880
to where American film crews weren't really thinking that, and

719
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.000
they definitely weren't going to go to Africa or Australia

720
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.559
or Indonesia. It was the other side of the planet.

721
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.519
So as the Mondo movie grew and grew, you had

722
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.239
more and more lies, until eventually you ended up with

723
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.599
movies that nobody ever thought were real at all. Ergo

724
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:53.000
Cannibal Holocaust one of the first found footage movies because

725
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.920
that's a film about a bunch of Italian people, well,

726
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.840
I think no other from New York New Yorkers who

727
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.400
go to Brazil to prove the idea that there are

728
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.400
still cannibals practicing in Amazon and their footage is all

729
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.559
that's left of them. I mean, you know, other than

730
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.159
whatever a toothpick can pull out. It's kind of a joke.

731
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.360
So that was like, in many ways, the first found

732
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.519
fotage movie. But it's still presented as a narrative. People

733
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.559
sit down in a room and they're watching the footage

734
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.159
back and there's music added to it for context, which

735
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.800
is fascinating. I know we'll talk about it when we

736
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.440
watch the movie and talk about on the show, But

737
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.079
my point is, so you had that one, then you

738
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.400
had films like Man Bites Dog, which is literally like

739
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.880
a guy being forced to film psychopaths. You had a

740
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.440
very similar movie, America's Deadliest Home Video, which I think

741
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.599
I've talked about in here before. I helped remaster it.

742
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.559
But that was a shot on video thing where Danny

743
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.760
Bonaduci plays a guy who gets a camera for Christmas,

744
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.760
finds out his wife's cheating on him, pulls up in

745
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.039
a motel and the ends up getting kidnapped by a

746
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.039
thrill kill cult and forced to film all the crazy

747
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.199
stuff they're doing. So all of these were found footage movies,

748
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.840
but the way they're presented change a lot and shifted

749
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.960
a lot. Sometimes it was found footage presented within the

750
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.719
confines of a narrative film, and sometimes it was presented

751
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.559
as literally, you found the footage, you are watching it

752
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.079
for the first time, not they found footage and are

753
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.159
watching it and you're a part of watching the movie.

754
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.039
So there are a lot of There are a lot

755
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.639
of echelons, and there were I'm positive there are other

756
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.199
found footage movies. I'm forgetting.

757
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:25.719
I know.

758
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.519
I talked at length about this a bit on Blair

759
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.000
Witch Project episode, and I talked about last Broadcast, which

760
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.960
was a which was more a mockumentary, which is more

761
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.880
what the Mando movies were. They were a documentary that

762
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.079
was mostly faked. So after Blair Witch, I mean it

763
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.519
reinvents the whole thing, everybody is interested in that. Then

764
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.320
paranormal activity does the same thing, and I think to

765
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.360
an extent, Cloverfield did as well. I don't. I mean,

766
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.880
it's not like there was a deluge of you know,

767
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.360
twenty thirty million dollar found footage movies after Cloverfield, but

768
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.719
it definitely made people think about the medium in a

769
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.559
different way and take it maybe more seriously. I do

770
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.239
think that that would be a fair statement, one of

771
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.320
the kindest things I could really say about Cloverfield as

772
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.400
a whole, like on you know, in the uvra of cinema. Yeah,

773
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.360
you know, so I know that was a long way

774
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.639
to get there. But my point is, with all that

775
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.440
being said, that's why it kind of pulled me out

776
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.519
a little bit, was that Blair Witch had a very

777
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.559
heavy focus on realism. Yes, possibly heavier than any prior

778
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.599
found footage movie. Possibly one of these days, I'm gonna

779
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:36.440
just I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna like find

780
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.360
out everything I can about all of the proto found

781
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:44.480
footage movies, but not today Satan. So they went all

782
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.719
in on realism for the most part. They shot on

783
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.840
Hyatt camera and a sixty millimeter camera. They they it

784
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.679
was grainy, it wasn't always perfect, they did do. They

785
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.199
spent tens of thousands of dollars sweetening the audio though,

786
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.920
Oh yeah, trying to get it right. And we'll take

787
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.920
a break. I will wrap up this. I have stories

788
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.400
to tell about making found footage movies and then trying

789
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.599
to sell them to Sony. So we'll talk about that

790
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.159
a little bit and then and then get back into cloverfield.

791
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:29.519
But I do think it's related. I do after So

792
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.960
my point and this is going to be wrapped up,

793
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.320
is the realism of found footage movies is very challenging

794
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.119
from a technical standpoint. From a creative standpoint, you have

795
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.239
to sit and think, how does this make sense? How

796
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:46.679
does this work? Like?

797
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:46.760
What?

798
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.000
What?

799
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.559
What is the logic here? So when you're making a movie,

800
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.000
a regular narrative film like ten, fifteen, twenty years ago,

801
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:58.679
you would have to take that film if you wanted

802
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.599
to sell it to somebody like Sony or whatever, who

803
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.480
would license it to Hulu or whoever, you would have

804
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.639
to pass quality control. And the quality control, you know,

805
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.880
it judges everything, your sound, your picture, everything, and it's

806
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.599
it's half automated and then it starts automated and then

807
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.719
a human finishes it. And one of the only trump

808
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.320
cards you have in quality control is artistic intent. There

809
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.360
are certain things that you can't trump a fail in

810
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:31.280
quality control with artistic intent, like overblown sound or you know,

811
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.320
highlights that aren't broadcast safe. But as I learned when

812
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.559
I did my first found footage movie, I was terrified

813
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:40.639
of QC because it was so hard to pass QC

814
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.599
as a low budget movie prior all of a sudden,

815
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.199
I do a low budget movie, I do a found

816
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.599
footage movie. And my number one focus in every found

817
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.159
footage movie I've ever done has been realism. It's just

818
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.440
what I value mm hm. And I was terrified because, like,

819
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.239
the sound wasn't always perfect. Sometimes people were literally behind

820
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.280
the microphone and shit, I was able to get away

821
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.800
with artistic intent for all of it, and I was

822
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.480
very surprised. I mean I went in and made sure

823
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.199
every line of dialogue was legible. I mean you could

824
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.719
hear it, you could understand it, but you know, there

825
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.960
was sound that was that was clipped, and I was like,

826
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.239
but that's on purpose, because nobody would be getting the

827
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.559
sound perfectly in the moment. You know. I made sure

828
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.920
that the imagery was not broadcast unsafe. But that's like,

829
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.480
not that hard. You just cut off two parts of

830
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.960
the spectrum that nobody will notice are gone, and you're

831
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.000
broadcast safe. But I was shocked. I remember the first

832
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.320
time I did that, I was like, holy crap. They

833
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.760
just said okay. I said, well, it's a foun footage movie.

834
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.400
It's meant to not come off as professional. And that worked.

835
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:41.159
Yeah.

836
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.960
So I'm still shocked that that worked, to be honest.

837
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.719
So with Cloverfield, that was kind of my my sticking

838
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.599
point was it just was really glossy. It also had

839
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.039
a lot of actory people. Yeah, and I don't mean

840
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.840
that with hate because actually their cast, this cast is

841
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.880
friggin' really good. I mean, you've got Lizzie Kaplan, who

842
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.440
was already somewhat of a name, but she really became

843
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.199
big in like comedy shows and stuff like that. You

844
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:17.519
had Jessica Lucas, who gosh, what did she do? Uh

845
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.760
oh wow? Oh yeah, she did the Resident Edgemont, she

846
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.639
was in Gotham, she was in the twenty thirteen Evil Dead.

847
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.679
I mean nearly everybody in this either was already kind

848
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.599
of having a career or this was the beginning. Like TJ.

849
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:33.599
Miller ended up having a pretty big career a bunch

850
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.679
of stuff. This was his first feature film, yeah, yeah,

851
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.599
and he went on to be in like a Transformer's

852
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.559
Age of Extinction Ready Player one. How to train your

853
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.920
dragon voices, you know, like he did a lot of stuff.

854
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.440
So yeah, I mean you had just h Michael Stall

855
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.079
David was that the guy from Oh wait, no, I'm

856
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.039
thinking of a different guy. I mean he's in this movie,

857
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.639
but it was Mike Vogel the one I'm thinking of. No, Okay,

858
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.559
I give up. There was some guy who ended up

859
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.920
being on on mad Men.

860
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:03.639
Yeah, and then.

861
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.639
Later had a big career on that show Superstore, which

862
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:11.199
I liked pretty good. That sitcom Superstore was produced by

863
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.679
jj Abrams, directed by Matt Reeves. Matt Reeves who went

864
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.519
on to have quite a career. Gosh, what did you do? Oh? Well,

865
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.239
First of all, his first film as writer was Under

866
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:29.119
Siege two Dark Territory, so that alone is excellent. But

867
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.880
his first feature film as a writer director was The

868
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.719
Pallbearer from nineteen ninety six, which is a romantic comedy

869
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.079
which I've never seen but I really want to now

870
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:41.320
that I'm looking at it. It was a big flop.

871
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:45.599
But then in two thousand and eight is next His

872
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.360
second directorial film, Cloverfield, thirty million dollar budget, did one

873
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.679
hundred and seventy two million at the box office, so

874
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.280
pretty substantial. Hit after that. Two years later he followed

875
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.920
it up with Let Me In the Vampire Movie, which

876
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.719
was the American remake of Let Write One In.

877
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:03.840
Okay, I think I remember hearing about that one.

878
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.920
Then he became a bit of a hit maker, having

879
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.639
directed Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and War

880
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.639
of the Planet of the Apes, both of which were

881
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:20.920
nearly billion dollar box offices, well about a realistically about

882
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.239
a billion and a half between the two, damn. And

883
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.440
then in twenty twenty two he directed yet another of

884
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:33.920
the the era of superhero movies with The Batman, which

885
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.159
made seven hundred and seventy two million dollars. So his

886
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.840
box office gross as a director is at least two

887
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.400
point five billion dollars.

888
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:43.199
Good for him.

889
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.920
So he's he's done a lot, and he's directed quite

890
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.960
a bit or produced quite a bit. I mean, of course,

891
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.400
he was an exec producer on ten Cloverfield Lane and

892
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.719
Cloverfield Paradox. He produced on the upcoming Clayface for DC Films,

893
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.639
So oh yeah, yeah, I figured you're probably excited about that.

894
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.960
And he's worked on TV and stuff too, So quite

895
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.400
a career that was launched with Cloverfield.

896
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:08.119
Yeah.

897
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.679
So, but so my point is, Yeah, definitely, I think

898
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.039
that maybe that was the disconnect is it does feel

899
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.760
like you're watching a movie by Hollywood experts, And part

900
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.239
of the fun of watching found footage movies, and honestly,

901
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.000
part of the fun of watching like B movies is

902
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.639
sometimes is you just don't know whose hands you're in. Yeah,

903
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:29.840
I forget who it was. It might have been Tarantino,

904
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.800
somebody who's doing an interview, who's talking about how like

905
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.880
when you watch something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it's so

906
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960
different because it feels so raw and gritty and documentary

907
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.280
like that. You know, when you go to see Alfred Hitchcock,

908
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:43.639
you're like, oh, I'm in the hands of a master.

909
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:44.960
And then when you go to see some movie you've

910
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:46.599
never heard of that looks like this, you think I'm

911
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.360
in the hands of a madman, you know, which I love.

912
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.559
It might have been John Landis who said that, but

913
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.159
I always love that, So I do feel like in

914
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.599
that way that glossiness might have hurt it for me. Yeah, yeah,

915
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.320
but on a second viewing, I really didn't mind that

916
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.559
stuff as much. My biggest complaint is, to me, it

917
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.480
becomes hard to justify why they're still filming, and that's

918
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.760
the hardest of every found footage movie. It really Yeah,

919
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.960
Blair Witch Project had that great moment where Josh Leonard

920
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:20.559
basically lays out why he's figured out why Heathers keeps

921
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.000
filming because it's it's a separation, a sense of separation.

922
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.199
And I was like, that's brilliant, because yeah, I could

923
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.199
buy that. Yeah. So but what do you what do

924
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.639
you think? You know, what do you think of having

925
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.440
now seen several found footage movies, although not enough, what

926
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.800
do you think now that you've rewald You've always loved

927
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.119
the film, you just revisited it for the first time

928
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.760
in a hot minute? What what is has the context

929
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:44.599
changed for you at all?

930
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.400
I feel that as far as found footage films go,

931
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:56.480
uh it, it still holds up. I definitely see now

932
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:01.480
that I've got more experience, I definitely do see that lossy, polished,

933
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:10.880
almost overproduced feel like you're talking about, But it I don't.

934
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.079
It doesn't lose me with that. I'm still actively engaged.

935
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.760
And it also I kind of feel like part of

936
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:25.800
like the the big the big complaint of why would

937
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.280
they still be filming through you know, through everything, Like

938
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:33.079
you get about fifteen minutes in and anyone would stop filming.

939
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.480
Honestly, I think you can get away with it till

940
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:36.440
like the last half hour.

941
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:36.800
Yea.

942
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.039
Honestly, I think I think there was quite a ways

943
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.719
where it doesn't break the logic entirely at all.

944
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.079
Yeah, because I feel like the explanation that they do

945
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.920
give because Hud kind of says because I think it's

946
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.400
Molina says to him like, why are you still filming now?

947
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.559
And he's like, well, this is going to be history,

948
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.679
like people need to know, And I do kind of

949
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.079
I do kind of get that. I feel the reason

950
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:10.880
that that sticks out to us so much is because

951
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.119
it came like the movie was released in that sweet

952
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:21.280
spot where people were like really getting mainstream access to

953
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.039
like camquarders all the time, cameras all the time, but

954
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:27.880
we didn't have social media and smartphones yet, so we

955
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.039
weren't as connected, right, So it was kind of like

956
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.320
that sweet spot where you could be filming all the time,

957
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.000
but it's not like now where everyone is literally filming

958
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.039
themselves all the time.

959
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.840
Sure, sure, do you think that maybe that was something

960
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.159
that influenced you because you took some like video production

961
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.400
classes and stuff when you were younger, right.

962
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:56.679
I I was interested in video production, so I never

963
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.719
took classes, but I did in high school like make

964
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.559
my own short film, and I did in college take

965
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:09.400
like photography classes, and so I do definitely think that

966
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:10.599
was that's.

967
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.440
You were a dabbler. So it didn't feel as weird

968
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.920
to look at raw footage. Air quotes but like raw footage, yeah,

969
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:18.960
because there are no That's another thing, there are no

970
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.320
intentional edits. Which I do like about Cloverfield is that

971
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.639
it feels like it's all just happening, but and and

972
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.840
the whole like breaking in with what was recorded on

973
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.199
the tape before. I think that's a really cool element too.

974
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.679
It's clever and it works somewhat. I honestly wish they'd

975
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.440
done it more. Yeah, yeah, I felt like they underdid

976
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.920
it a little bit. But we're going to take a

977
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.679
quick break and then you're going to defend vigorously every

978
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.320
element of this film against my lawyer like Acumen, or

979
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.760
we'll just keep talking about it. We'll see, depends on

980
00:52:52.760 --> 00:53:09.880
which way the windblows. Right after this. I feel like Cloverfield,

981
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.159
it does kind of its reputation kind of precedes it

982
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.840
to some extent. I mean, it's a giant monster movie.

983
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.440
It's about it takes place in New York, So I

984
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.559
feel like the broad strokes are pretty pretty simple. I

985
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.000
mean it's people running from a giant monster and then

986
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.440
these little monsters that come off of it. It's relatively simple.

987
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.159
So but that being said, I mean there is a

988
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.000
lot of interesting stuff in there. Like I said, I

989
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.119
do feel like it's a little because it's so sheeny.

990
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.800
I feel like there's not a lot of crazy devil details,

991
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.159
although there are few, especially that one at the end

992
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.039
that you pointed out, which I did, and I love that.

993
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:52.760
So we start the film witnessing a date between two people,

994
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.159
and yeah, I mean use I was like, Oh, I

995
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.440
thought you were going to take it from me. I

996
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:00.000
can keep going.

997
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.159
We do witness well, it's a sweet moment where they

998
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.679
like kind of wake up together in the morning and

999
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:10.559
we're introduced to Beth and Rob and we start to

1000
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.360
get a get to know a little bit about them

1001
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.519
as they joke around and end up making plans to

1002
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.119
go to Coney Island that day. And it's a really

1003
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.679
special day for them because he's in like a month,

1004
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.280
he's going to be leaving for a new job in Japan,

1005
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.039
so they're not going to get to like be around

1006
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.440
each other a lot anymore. But then the footage, like

1007
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.599
because it's found footage, the footage like jumps ahead, and

1008
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:44.480
then we get introduced to Jason, who is Rob's brother,

1009
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.800
and uh, oh, can't I cannot remember Jason's Lily Lily

1010
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:56.519
who is Jason's fiance. And it's now like bit a

1011
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:00.880
month and they are planning a party, so we get

1012
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.760
start getting these introductions to these characters, and the first

1013
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.519
few minutes we jump back and forth a little bit

1014
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.639
between that date and the day that they're having the party.

1015
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.320
Yeah, like the recorded over and yeah, kind of popping through.

1016
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:22.119
Yes, exactly. So we also get introduced to Hud, who

1017
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:27.440
is Rob's best friend. And Hud is like the stereotypical

1018
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.800
like bumbling, always has his foot in his mouth corner

1019
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.599
kind of best friend. Yeah, and they're the one. He's

1020
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.840
the one that eventually Jason's like, hey, you film the

1021
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:46.519
party and you should interview everyone. And that's that's why

1022
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.039
we really start to get get to know all the

1023
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.920
characters so well at the beginning, is because we're seeing

1024
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.480
it all through HUD's eyes and because he's such like

1025
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:59.719
a bumbling character. We like stumble ass backward into all

1026
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.920
the ama of the friends and everything, which I think

1027
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.119
is great. It's a great way to set everything up.

1028
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.000
Yeah, yeah, I agree. It definitely lets you kind of

1029
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.719
get to know everybody and then you know, before you

1030
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.280
know what, everybody's running for their lives.

1031
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:11.559
Yeah.

1032
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.559
Because then because then of course there's you know, an

1033
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.239
earthquake and they all go up to the roof to watch,

1034
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.400
and then you know, the there's you know, the explosion

1035
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:26.960
out in the river. But the thing that you start

1036
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.360
to notice as we're watching all of this destruction through

1037
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.559
the camera, so kind of through Hudd's eyes, is, you

1038
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:39.639
know I talked about in the trailer, there's that that

1039
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.920
iconic scene where they're in the streets of New York.

1040
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:48.639
The explosion just happened. Everyone's running around and then you

1041
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.000
you look up in the sky and the head of

1042
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.440
the Statue of Liberty is just flying through the sky

1043
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.360
and it crashes into the ground.

1044
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:56.800
I mean, incredibly iconic.

1045
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.639
Yeah, like, so, oh, you know, so there's that, and

1046
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:05.480
then when they start to when when there's more explosions

1047
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.079
and then they realize that there's a cloud of dust

1048
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.400
coming cloud and cloud of dust and smoke, so they

1049
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:16.599
take refuge in like the electronics store, and that plume

1050
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:23.280
of smoke just engulfs the entire block. And I don't

1051
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.880
think I caught it, you know, obviously not on my

1052
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.719
first watch through, and I may have caught it sometime, like,

1053
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.920
but it really struck me the most watching it recently

1054
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:38.800
with you about how much of this could be processing

1055
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.599
and Catharsis for like post nine to eleven.

1056
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:47.199
Oh, I mean it literally a building falls down in Manhattan, yeah,

1057
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.119
and throws debris everywhere, and people are running and screaming.

1058
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.679
I mean, I think it would be bizarre to not

1059
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.760
take it to some degree that way.

1060
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.840
Yeah, And so I think that's also kind of why

1061
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.320
as an audience member when it first came out, why

1062
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.039
it struck me is, you know, we were only like

1063
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.280
what six seven years out from nine to.

1064
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.920
Eleven, Yeah, seven seven years when they made it.

1065
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:15.559
Yeah, So so it was still like relatively fresh in

1066
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.639
everyone's minds. So I feel like that's also part of

1067
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:24.559
the reason why it had such a cultural significance at

1068
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.400
the time, is because we were all still kind of

1069
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:33.119
going through going through that old grieving process.

1070
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.360
I guess yeah, I think that's fair point, definitely.

1071
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.000
But yeah, so they they take refuge. When they take

1072
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.840
refuge in the electronics store, is when we find out

1073
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:53.039
that Beth has survived. She's alone and she's in her

1074
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:59.960
apartment building across Manhattan and so they've so robbed. Decide

1075
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.320
he's going to go rescue her.

1076
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.880
And that is a big inciting moment because why get

1077
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.360
out of Manhattan Island when you could go deeper into

1078
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.119
the center of it with a giant monster just knocking

1079
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.719
down buildings like there's no tomorrow, which there kinda isn't

1080
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:18.239
It kind of.

1081
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.599
Is not for not for the people in New York.

1082
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.360
I mean, if you go into the whole lore of

1083
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:28.079
Cloverfield is Yeah, I think it's all of humankind. I mean,

1084
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.840
we we we got to mention ten Cloverfield Lane is amazing.

1085
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:31.719
Oh my god.

1086
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:32.599
Yeah, it is.

1087
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.280
Such a great sequel concept to it. So hm, but

1088
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:39.239
that's that's what we'll have to do at some point

1089
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:39.800
on the show.

1090
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:40.719
Oh absolutely.

1091
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:45.119
But yeah, I mean it's a solid impetus because the

1092
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.360
reasoning for him to go and save her is that

1093
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.159
he's always been in love with her. They had that

1094
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:55.360
first date and then.

1095
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.400
He kind of like fumbled the bag.

1096
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:58.480
He blew her off because he was like, I can't.

1097
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.039
What am I gonna do? Keep grow this when I'm leaving. Yeah,

1098
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.199
so I mean that works. I think from a human standpoint,

1099
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:06.159
that works decently.

1100
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:06.679
It does.

1101
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.559
For how he gets all of his friends killed.

1102
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:17.079
Over one girl, but he got to kiss her before

1103
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:22.119
they both died. So really, who I lost?

1104
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:27.599
Spoiling lost here? No? No, I mean you know fair enough,

1105
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.679
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll talk. We'll

1106
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.320
sift through the wreckage of Cloverfield right after this.

1107
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:54.000
So Rob and Lily and hud and eventually they find

1108
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:59.000
their friend Molina from the party. They all against all

1109
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.199
better judgment side, let's go deeper into Manhattan to go

1110
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.679
rescue back may Or may not even still be a lot.

1111
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.679
Yeah, there's no way to know.

1112
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.320
She even mentioned like she's lost a lot of blood

1113
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.079
on the phone, so like, yeah, so let's go deeper

1114
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:17.199
into the chaos.

1115
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.960
Which I mean, well, anytime you go deeper into Manhattan,

1116
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.360
you're going deeper into the chaos. There's there's no doubt

1117
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.119
about that. I mean, I lived in North Jersey and

1118
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.960
the town I lived in, small town. It was the

1119
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.719
last bust. It was the last town you could like,

1120
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:36.599
it was the furthest you could go from New York

1121
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:40.519
City before you had to start connecting to get to

1122
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.840
New York. Okay. So our bus, our local bus went

1123
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:49.039
directly to the port authority, Oh, New York okay. So

1124
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.199
so yeah, so we go directly there. So we That's

1125
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:54.639
why they would refer to our area as suburban New

1126
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:57.679
York because you could get on the bus and go directly,

1127
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.519
as opposed to once you were further than our town,

1128
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.000
you would have to connect somewhere and then go to

1129
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:03.440
New York.

1130
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:03.960
Okay.

1131
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:06.000
So we always had it. We had a direct bus

1132
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.199
route and they'd send us into the city a lot

1133
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:14.719
to do work and things like that, and always chaos,

1134
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.719
like always a degree of chaos and anger. That was

1135
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.119
the thing I noticed immediately was that people were very

1136
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:24.000
angry and things were very chaotic. That was kind of

1137
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:31.400
the vibe. But I mean, the sheer magnitude of people

1138
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.800
that are in New York and the sheer amount of

1139
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.880
people who go to New York is something that's hard

1140
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.800
to really quantify until you've seen it. Yeah, because I

1141
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.360
mean the idea that they're trying to get everybody off

1142
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:48.360
Manhattan Island. That's crazy, Yeah, because it's the most densely

1143
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.679
populated city I think in the world. It might even

1144
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.079
beat like Beijing and stuff. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's

1145
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.800
just the most densely in America. But I remember, because

1146
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.840
I lived so close to New York. On New Year's Eve,

1147
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.360
you know, people go to Times Square. I never went.

1148
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.440
And one of the reasons that never went was because

1149
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:14.280
my little apartment, which was over a half an hour

1150
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:18.920
away from New York was our neighborhood was full of cars.

1151
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:23.559
People were literally parking. We're filling all the neighborhoods within

1152
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.440
like forty five miles of New York City, even in

1153
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.480
Jersey with cars, cars with license plates from all over

1154
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.119
the country. People were literally parking in my neighborhood to

1155
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.719
then get on the bus and go to Manhattan, which

1156
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.480
is a testament not only to how many people and

1157
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.880
also how a little parking there is in Manhattan. God,

1158
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:43.280
but if you think about those times you watch the

1159
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.960
ball drop on TV and you see all those people

1160
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.400
standing together, all spuish together, I mean that's tens of

1161
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.000
thousands of people. Yeah, where their car is going.

1162
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:54.239
To be down your neighborhood. Apparently.

1163
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.519
Apparently. Yeah, I was very happy that I had my

1164
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.679
own parking space at the park, believe me.

1165
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.280
Oh god, I can't even imagine.

1166
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.719
But it's a wild experience seeing so many people all

1167
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.840
just moving along. It does kind of feel like an

1168
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.280
ant farm, I bet you know, like you do kind

1169
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.880
of feel homogenized, even if you're going in the opposite

1170
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.960
direction of everybody else. It is. It's a weird one.

1171
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.239
And having to haul heavy camera equipment didn't make it

1172
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.599
more fun because everybody's in a hurry all the time.

1173
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.559
You mean, people aren't gonna just like move out of

1174
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:29.880
the way and be polite for you.

1175
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:33.199
Oh no, No, they're much more annoyed because you're slowing

1176
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.519
them down, like they're trying to pass you. No, they're

1177
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:38.119
all trying to pass you because you're going way too slow.

1178
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.480
That's that's the thing in New York City, and to

1179
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.800
an extent in Jersey too. I did not hate living

1180
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.800
in Jersey, but I did miss my Midwest experience of

1181
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.679
people being pretty pleasant all the time. In Jersey, people

1182
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:53.719
would be kind of barky, but if you bark back

1183
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.199
then they'd just be like, ah.

1184
01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:00.800
It's like dogs they'll bark once they established on dominance,

1185
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:01.159
and then.

1186
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:03.440
It's almost like they just want to make sure they're community.

1187
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.920
The communication lines exist, you know, they're just like, hey,

1188
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.079
move your ass. You're like, you move your ass. They're like,

1189
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.679
all right, you know, it's just it's weird talk. It's

1190
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.840
a weird it's a weird dichotomy. But yeah, so I

1191
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.079
would not want I wouldn't have to make I wouldn't

1192
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:18.639
let me put it to you this way. I would

1193
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.960
not want to have to get to the center of

1194
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:27.400
Manhattan in a hurry today, let alone during a catastrophic event.

1195
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.440
When they're like actively trying to evacuate every.

1196
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:32.639
I would not want to do it today at four

1197
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.519
forty pm. I would not want to try on a weekend.

1198
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:39.119
I would not want to try. That's all I'm saying.

1199
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.079
I went to New York. In that three years I

1200
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:43.519
was out there, I went to New York a grand

1201
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:47.920
total of twice for fun. I because I had to

1202
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:48.880
go for work so much.

1203
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.400
I was just like, ugh, get burned out.

1204
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.199
I went once to a Julia Newon's concert at the

1205
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.000
Knitting Factory, which was awesome, but oh my god, we

1206
01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.480
had to take the sub bust and the subway and

1207
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:03.079
then but it was during a cooler era of New York,

1208
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.440
like Kim's video was still existed, so like we were

1209
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:07.960
walking to get to the subway and I was like,

1210
01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:10.760
what's that and he's like, oh man, that's Kim's. My

1211
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.280
roommate was like, oh he went to school in New York.

1212
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:15.199
It was oh man, that's Kims And I was like,

1213
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.079
the video story is like, yeah, you want to go in?

1214
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:18.880
And I was like, what's two in the morning. He

1215
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.199
was like, they don't close. So I was like, oh man.

1216
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.400
So we went in and shopped at DVDs. Like so

1217
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.159
I like that. You know, it is the city that

1218
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.840
never sleeps, But I mean Kim's is long gone. It

1219
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:31.519
was gone like four years later.

1220
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:31.760
You know.

1221
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:34.039
So I mean we had fun with that. And then

1222
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:36.119
I took my mother for her first trip ever to

1223
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:40.559
Manhattan and we had our moment where we looked at

1224
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.159
the Empire State Building and literally my mom was like,

1225
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:45.239
so how long do we do we look at it?

1226
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:46.880
And I was like, well we can. We can go

1227
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.840
to the top of and she was like nah, Mom,

1228
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.960
And then we just got sushi. So you know, it

1229
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:58.679
is what it is. But yeah, so anyway, that's I mean,

1230
01:06:58.719 --> 01:06:59.920
that's my New York experience.

1231
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.400
I've never been to New York. I think the largest

1232
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.039
city I've ever been to was that time he took

1233
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:05.800
me to Chicago.

1234
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:11.119
I mean that would be the biggest. I mean, yeah, yeah, probably,

1235
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.039
I mean unless you I don't know if Atlanta is

1236
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.199
bigger than Chicago, because Atlanta is huge, but yeah there,

1237
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.199
I mean in Philly is pretty big. New York's gigantic, yeah,

1238
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.599
and then La is obscene, So.

1239
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.199
I do I do not have very much experience with

1240
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.079
big cities, so I have enough to know.

1241
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.360
I don't love them. I mean, I don't hate them,

1242
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.280
but I've actually gotten I've gone easier on them as

1243
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:36.800
I've gotten older, which is the opposite of everybody I know.

1244
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:40.119
Everybody I know is like I am so sick of

1245
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.000
that that, you know, the the moving quickly in the bubble.

1246
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:45.440
And as I've gotten alder, I'm like, it kind of

1247
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.000
makes more sense to me. I guess, like, if I

1248
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.079
really need to be in Chicago, I'll be in Chicago,

1249
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.400
and I'm not going to whine and moan. But I

1250
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:54.599
also that also maybe because I have uber money now

1251
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:56.559
when I was when I was younger, I had to

1252
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.400
figure out to get around. Now, I'm like, where is it?

1253
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.280
I'm just gonna pay eighteen dollars and autumn and just

1254
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.280
get there for sure and meet a really nice Haitian man. Yeah,

1255
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:08.880
that's all when exactly, So, well, we're going to take

1256
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:13.559
a break and we'll talk about how their schlep through

1257
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.760
Manhattan went right after this.

1258
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:37.079
So we've got our friends all traveling, traveling along, and

1259
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:41.600
at first they try going through the streets. That proves

1260
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:48.720
difficult though, when the military comes in and with tanks

1261
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.760
and lots of guns and start trying to fight off

1262
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:57.760
the monster. So they decide that the next best thing

1263
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.720
is something else I've never had experience with because I've

1264
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.399
never been in big cities, is let's go down in

1265
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:05.960
the subway tunnels.

1266
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:09.520
Hmmm. If you've ever been in a subway at all,

1267
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:10.960
huh no, oh.

1268
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:16.680
Wow, No, I'm curious, but I I don't know where

1269
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:17.840
the nearest subway is.

1270
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.520
Well, there's the I mean, what you're hungry or you

1271
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.319
want to say, which I heard your stomach grewl earlier,

1272
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.560
you know what I mean. There's the subway in Cincinnati

1273
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:27.640
that never opened.

1274
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.920
Oh yeah, it has just been like sitting there forever.

1275
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:34.319
I did a reel on that, like on TikTok and stuff,

1276
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:37.520
and people were it was so funny. People were like, wait, wait,

1277
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:39.239
you can't just you can't just tell us, just not

1278
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.279
tell us, like why isn't it open? Like what like

1279
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.079
what happened to the And I responded, I was like, look,

1280
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.600
I'm not trying to be rude, but like, uh, the

1281
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.720
reason I didn't tell you was because it was because

1282
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.119
of money. Like it wasn't there's nothing exciting, it's just

1283
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.680
but the exciting part is that it's creepy and abandoned.

1284
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.159
The reason it wasn't finished is because they ran out

1285
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:57.920
of money, Like they didn't want to spend any more

1286
01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:59.960
money on it because after World War Two everybody wanted cars.

1287
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:01.800
So what are we wasting all this money on a

1288
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.439
on a subway for? So it's just under there. There's

1289
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.760
a bunch of subway that's nothing. So I mean, honestly,

1290
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.239
the closest subway I mean there's is there. There's kind

1291
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.920
of it's more of a train than in a subway

1292
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.800
in Philly and Chicago, because like the train in Philly

1293
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:24.000
goes underground, but it comes back up, so it might

1294
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:27.359
be just New York. I mean the subways. It's awful.

1295
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:32.479
You get to sit next to somebody who literally smells

1296
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:38.119
like you're in only anyway. But no so but so

1297
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.920
them going down in the subway. I remember when we

1298
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:42.720
were rewatching it, my first thought was like, well, it

1299
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.680
kind of makes sense because like that monster's so big

1300
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.039
it can't get down there, and the subway is like

1301
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.479
incredibly reinforced. It's mostly you know stone. Now, yeah, it

1302
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:53.399
could potentially like cave it in, but it would take

1303
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:55.439
an immense amount of force to do that. And if

1304
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:58.000
they're running through the subway tunnels, I mean that's miles

1305
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:00.560
of tunnel. It can't cave in all of it. So

1306
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:04.600
you have a statistical chance of getting away. Yeah, you know,

1307
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.760
and it can't see you. That also helps.

1308
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:07.760
That does help.

1309
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.600
So I like that. And of course, I mean going

1310
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.159
into the subways just a smart spooky thing because if

1311
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.079
you want kids out there, if you're making a found

1312
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.600
footage movie and you're like, boy, this is not scary enough,

1313
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:19.439
all you need to do is cut the lights out

1314
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.560
and have just a flashlight on the camera. It works phenomenal,

1315
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.479
It really does. No, this is not me making fun

1316
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:31.680
of a cliche. It works what I was making, I

1317
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.079
can't remember which movie. It was. One of the movies

1318
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:37.439
I was making. We were using a flashlight, you know,

1319
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.600
for the light on a camera, and it was one

1320
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.760
of those ones that focuses, and I intentionally focused it

1321
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.439
so that it had like a field of view that

1322
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.720
was like forty percent shorter, so that lesson the screen

1323
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.399
was lit. I was like, Oh, this is because it's

1324
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:51.960
when you're seeing them running through the woods or whatever

1325
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.960
with the light on the camera and they're looking around,

1326
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:56.079
you're looking at the edges. That's all you're doing is

1327
01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:57.680
looking at the edges of the darkness trying to figure

1328
01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.760
out what's going on. So that worked really well. And

1329
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.439
of course they did another trope that I'm not as

1330
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:05.960
big a fan of but work great. In the scene

1331
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:09.720
they turn on the night vision yeah, yeah, the ir

1332
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.079
vision or whatever you want to call it, and instantly

1333
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:17.319
realize that the roof, is the ceiling or whatever of

1334
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.760
the tunnel that they're running through is covered in these

1335
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:25.960
little parasite things, which we had vaguely seen a few

1336
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:30.520
of early on. It was like we get glimpses. Yeah,

1337
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.239
And that was right after we saw the rats running

1338
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:32.680
the other way.

1339
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:36.720
Yeah, yeah, which is my favorite scene. They all started running,

1340
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.359
I was like, friends, well, and I love that scene too,

1341
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:43.239
because it's one of those it's one of those moments

1342
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:47.119
of like levity where you really start to get attached

1343
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:51.399
to the characters because you know, there's there's some fun

1344
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:56.119
joking moments between like Hut and Molina, but I also

1345
01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.479
like when the parasites attack, you know, they attack, they

1346
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:03.399
take down Molina and they're like, there's one that's like

1347
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.800
really on her, so like Hud and Rob have to

1348
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.399
like knock it off. And then more of those parasites

1349
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.680
come and one jumps on Hud and starts like dragging

1350
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:16.159
him away, and Molina, even though she's injured, she picks

1351
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:19.479
up like a rebar or something, and she whax it

1352
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:21.680
saves him and they all get out of there, and

1353
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.000
he starts leveling with her. He's like, hey, thanks for

1354
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.039
thanks for saving me back there, and she almost gets

1355
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.319
like hurt or offended, and she's like, why do I

1356
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:34.319
seem like the kind of person who wouldn't do that,

1357
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:39.239
And there's a moment of vulnerability where you start to

1358
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:43.039
read between the lines and see that Molina's like the

1359
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.079
kind of person who does have a big heart, but

1360
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.840
maybe she's always been pigeonholed is like not being caring. Yeah,

1361
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:53.079
and HUD's always been pigeonholed is like just being the

1362
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.119
bumbling idiot and not being someone who could actually like

1363
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.720
be capable. So there's there's a nice moment there, but

1364
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:03.520
it doesn't last long because they have to figure out

1365
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:07.680
how to get away from the parasites. So they they

1366
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:11.119
end up finding like, I don't know, you you know

1367
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.359
more than me. It seemed like maybe a shopping center

1368
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:19.239
adjacent like on like in like a terminal or a

1369
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:21.600
station for the subway or something.

1370
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.560
Yeah, I mean that's just a station. I mean I

1371
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.760
mean because okay, okay, So so is it.

1372
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.039
Kind of like an airport where it's got shit in it?

1373
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.600
No? Yeah it is, No, But that was probably I mean,

1374
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.680
my memory isn't perfect on it. That was probably either

1375
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.520
that was probably either the port authority that they had

1376
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:44.680
arrived at, which is where buses and I believe you

1377
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.319
can get on the subway of the port and see

1378
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:49.199
people are New Yorkers gonna be like maybe there's way

1379
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.560
But then there's Grand Central Station. Okay, so there are

1380
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:55.840
not all are equals. Some have like just a couple

1381
01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.880
of kiosks, and others have like a whole deal or

1382
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.439
there can even be potentially a shopping center right next

1383
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:06.640
to it or you. But yeah, they're clearly near something bigger,

1384
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.640
a bigger a bigger space, like a shopping area or

1385
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:11.920
or what have you. And I love the way they

1386
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.560
reveal as the they get, you know, held up by

1387
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.880
the cops, well the military, yeah, and they're like ah,

1388
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:20.800
and then they just walked through like one door over

1389
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.319
and it's like, oh, here's an entire military hospital we

1390
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:25.680
just built on the other side of this doorway. But

1391
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:27.399
it makes sense because they're next to a trance a

1392
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:31.159
transportation line, so of course they'd build it there because

1393
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:34.319
that's probably where they're getting to exactly, you know. And

1394
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.600
that's where we find out that there's a full bore

1395
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:44.359
evacuation going on, where helicopters are leaving the Manhattan coming

1396
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:46.479
and going, coming and going, coming and going, trying to

1397
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:48.840
get people out. But they say, well, we need to

1398
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:52.239
go find our friend, and they're like bad, too bad,

1399
01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:55.960
so said of course the one character, the rebar saving character,

1400
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.520
turns out when you get bitten by those parasites. It's

1401
01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:00.640
really bad. It's not a bad thing. When she starts

1402
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:02.960
freaking out, somebody goes, we have a bite, yeah, and

1403
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:05.279
they literally pull her away into quarantine and then you

1404
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:07.560
see her like explode in blood. We never see what

1405
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.840
happened exactly. No, it can't have been good.

1406
01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.159
Yeah, all we know is that she evaporated into an

1407
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.920
explosion of blood of some sort of some sort.

1408
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.640
Yeah. But one of the mills, sorry, oh no, no,

1409
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.680
go go, one of the military people feels bad for

1410
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:26.359
this guy. So he tells him like, look, I'm not

1411
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.600
gonna I mean, we can't keep you here and we

1412
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:32.319
can't make you evacuate if you want to go, you know,

1413
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.359
find your friend or whatever. And he like pulls us

1414
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.439
at his wrist and looks at wrist. Wasss. He's like,

1415
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.840
six hundred hours is when the last helicopter leaves here.

1416
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.680
And there's a possibility what was the term the hammer

1417
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:45.520
down camera down. He said, there was a there's a

1418
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:49.479
real possibility we're going to use operation hammer Down, which

1419
01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:53.199
is just bombing, leveling the whole city with bombs. So,

1420
01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:56.199
which is a great little moment and a really solid

1421
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:00.720
way to get across very important exposition because he does.

1422
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.439
He doesn't sit there. Really, here's how it all works.

1423
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:03.920
He tells him just the information he needs to know

1424
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:05.800
to survive. He's like, look, if you're gonna get your friend,

1425
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:08.560
the only thing you need to know is we guarantee

1426
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.279
that that operation hammer Down won't happen before six hundred hours. Yeah.

1427
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.439
So like, if you're on that last one, you're still good.

1428
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.640
But I can't guarantee if you're here past six o'clock

1429
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.520
that the city will not be bombed. And I love that,

1430
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.159
Like it just comes across really quick. It sets the

1431
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:25.840
stakes and it makes you realize, oh shit, okay okay.

1432
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.439
So they start running yeah downtown, and then they discover

1433
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.680
one of my favorite reveals of the whole film, which

1434
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.560
is that her apartment complex is just a little sleepy.

1435
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:38.319
It's just it's leaning.

1436
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:39.800
It's leaning.

1437
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.800
It's leaning on the apartment building next to it, and

1438
01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:45.159
it's like seventy stories tall.

1439
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:46.359
I'll just take a lead.

1440
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:48.640
It's like you last night when we were watching movies,

1441
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:53.479
you just, oh, Gode leaning up against me. So it's

1442
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:55.239
leaning up against it, and of course she's in the

1443
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:59.279
one that's leaning. And one of them makes a suggestion

1444
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:01.239
that I if I were there in person, I would

1445
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:03.039
have smacked him in the head. When he says, well,

1446
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:04.880
what if we go up the building, That's okay, and

1447
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:06.920
then maybe we can cross over towards the top.

1448
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.279
It's hard. And as soon as he says that, and

1449
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:11.880
Rob's like, yeah, that's what we're doing, It's like, no,

1450
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:13.479
it's a stupid idea. Let's not do that.

1451
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:16.920
No, that's a stupid idea. Let'sn'll do it. But good

1452
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.760
news they do the stupid idea. We'll talk about it

1453
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:36.720
right after this. So this is the only my new

1454
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:38.800
shy I want to mention real quick before we just

1455
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:41.600
like run because we're now we're like a javelin heading

1456
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.880
towards the conclusion of the film. Why did they try

1457
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:47.920
to use the elevators.

1458
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:53.760
In Scott It's not that. Everything else you can excuse

1459
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.079
but that. And when he goes to the first elevator,

1460
01:18:58.079 --> 01:18:59.800
he's like, oh, it doesn't work, and then it's like.

1461
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.680
Oh, she checks. The second one is when I'm like,

1462
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:03.880
what is wrong? Would you do? Like I can get

1463
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:05.680
out of habit going up to the elevator and pressing

1464
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.000
the button and be like oh right, yeah. But he

1465
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:09.840
goes to tray. He's like, well, maybe it's the maybe

1466
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:13.359
the other one's good. The hell, dude, like the building's

1467
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:14.800
about to fall over.

1468
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:18.760
And you're gonna waste time on seeing if the elevator works.

1469
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.359
No, you're gonna well, you know, you waste time waiting,

1470
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:27.039
but worse it works and then you diet. That's my concern.

1471
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.880
But they actually have to go up like forty some

1472
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:36.680
flights of stairs, very harrowing and video game like jumping

1473
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:41.800
between the buildings, very call of duty esque, jumping on

1474
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:43.159
like a non flat.

1475
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:44.920
Service X to jump at the right time.

1476
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:46.800
I love. He's just like, we'll hold on to the

1477
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.560
tubes for the or the piping for the air conditioners.

1478
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.479
It's like, uh, but sure enough they find her. She

1479
01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:55.199
has a rebar stuck through her shoulder.

1480
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:56.119
Great.

1481
01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:58.319
Yeah, so they have to pull her off of it,

1482
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:00.640
and they do it great because they did off camera,

1483
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.399
which makes sense because somebody sits down the camera to help,

1484
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.760
you know, do that, and and you know, and it

1485
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:08.960
was like it seemed like it was it was safe

1486
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.600
enough that like she wouldn't just bleed out immediately. Yeah,

1487
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.560
you know, it's fine. So now we're they thank god,

1488
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:16.279
they get out of there. They hang out way too

1489
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.520
long in that apartment. That was the like, but no,

1490
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.279
I think that that's not That's not me saying like

1491
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:22.359
how dumb the characters are. I think that was done

1492
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:25.560
to make me nervous as the audience. They're just sitting

1493
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.039
in this apartment and everything is sideways. And my favorite

1494
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.880
part about those scenes is the out the windows. All

1495
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.560
the office buildings and skyscrapers are just they're not you know,

1496
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:40.079
they're sideways because the building is wrong. So they finally

1497
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.319
get out of there and they start running for it. Yeah,

1498
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:47.239
and uh oh, was there another big moment I'm forgetting

1499
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:48.720
before they get to the helicopter or is that the

1500
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:49.279
big moment?

1501
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.239
I think that's pretty much the yeah.

1502
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:53.880
Because a lot of happens when they get to the helicopter.

1503
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.880
They get to the helicopter, the first ride that's going

1504
01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.479
out is mostly full. So brother's girlfriend gets home Yeah

1505
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:06.079
yeah Lily, Yeah, who his brother had died early on.

1506
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:09.079
So she gets in there and they say, like, we'll

1507
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:10.760
be right behind you. They get into the helicopter and

1508
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:15.119
of course, a shocker, it crashes because the monster attacks it,

1509
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:17.000
and that is one of the funnier moments of the

1510
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:19.039
movie though, is like he literally like ha ha because

1511
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.600
the monster's doing stuff and now all these like f

1512
01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:23.880
eighteens are shooting missiles at it and stuff and it's

1513
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.199
just not affecting it at all. Yeah, and then he

1514
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:28.479
goes like hah, that's that's right, and then it like

1515
01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:30.800
hits his helicopter. It's almost like it heard him, and

1516
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.560
it was like, dude, why are you talking shit, I'm

1517
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:36.600
sing my best, I'm trying my best. I only have

1518
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:42.359
six arms, you know. Like well, I mean if the

1519
01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:45.760
thing arrived as as as is hinted at the beginning,

1520
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:48.159
if it arrived as like probably a baby that grew up,

1521
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:49.960
that means it grew up in Brooklyn, so it would

1522
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:58.760
sound like that. Oh it was just end the show.

1523
01:21:58.760 --> 01:21:58.920
Now.

1524
01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:01.800
I can't top myself off on that one. But no,

1525
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.119
So the helicopter crashes and it's a very scary, harrowing thing.

1526
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:08.680
We get a little bit more of like the seeing

1527
01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:13.520
back to what was filmed on the camera before. And

1528
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.279
I like that stuff a lot, I really do. I

1529
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:17.000
know I mentioned earlier. I wish they'd done more of it.

1530
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:21.760
I do. Yeah, it was good stuff, but the way

1531
01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:23.560
they used it at the end is chef kiss. So

1532
01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:28.359
they're trying to like get everything figured out, and the

1533
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:30.720
monster attacks again, and this time I believe we lose

1534
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:34.359
our comic relief guy than the camera as we lose him,

1535
01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.359
and now it's just our our lovers and right, yeah,

1536
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:40.680
I almost left, I thought, so I just want to

1537
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:44.840
make sure I was right. They end up hiding under

1538
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.119
a bridge in Central Park and they start doing the

1539
01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:49.840
blair Witch thing of saying like my name is so

1540
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.359
and so and so and so, like we saw this

1541
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:53.359
happen and da da da da da, which is a

1542
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:57.319
smart way to bookend and make it make sense that

1543
01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:01.199
they're still filming. Yes, Mike, my only complaint with the

1544
01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:03.399
idea of why they're still filming is that hud was

1545
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:05.800
his name. That's what a name, hud Well.

1546
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.600
His name's Hudson, so hud And I always thought it

1547
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:11.840
was fun because like heads up displaying.

1548
01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:15.199
Like yeah, yeah, and I get that. But the only

1549
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.039
reason I didn't love that was that hud Like the

1550
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:20.000
big thing is he keeps referencing that he's not a

1551
01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:22.680
videographer and he's not like he's like not into this

1552
01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:24.960
job at all. He's being forced to do it, and

1553
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:26.680
that makes it harder for me to believe that. Then

1554
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:28.239
he'd be like, this is all important. We got to

1555
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.159
document it, you know. I feel like if he had

1556
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:35.239
been a videographer person, yeah, I felt like it would

1557
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:37.000
have made more sense for him to be like, I

1558
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.560
want to capture this, like this is really important or

1559
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:42.800
or something. But I'm but this is a small plot

1560
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:47.319
hole in a giant monster movie. Right, I'm gonna cut

1561
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:49.800
it the slack it deserves. Okay, I'm gonna cut it

1562
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.399
some slack as long as Staten Island. I think it

1563
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:54.600
deserves it. You know, I don't want you to think

1564
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.520
I'm just beating it up for no reason. But so

1565
01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.079
they do their thing where they kind of say it,

1566
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.479
and the actors really told it great. I mean, like

1567
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:03.399
when she doesn't really want to say who she is,

1568
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:06.199
but then she does it reluctantly. I believed it. But

1569
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:09.960
I'm going to let you have the final moment because

1570
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.000
you're you're the one who pointed out one of the

1571
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.239
big reveals in there, So I want you to have this.

1572
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:19.199
I want you to to to talk about it, so you.

1573
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.000
Know, we get the scene of them introduced or you know,

1574
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:27.159
telling the story of this happening. We don't know why

1575
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:29.560
this has happened. There's a monster attacking and all this,

1576
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:34.520
and they embrace and there's an explosion, and then we

1577
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:39.039
get one last clip cone of them at Coney Island

1578
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:42.439
and they've gone up in the big ferris wheel and

1579
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:47.039
they're just looking out over the ocean and they're sitting

1580
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:51.119
there talking, talking about their future, talking about their dreams,

1581
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:53.760
which is, you know, really poignant and bitter sweet with

1582
01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:57.439
the ending that we just had. But the camera's not

1583
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:01.600
focused on them. It's still focused on the ocean. And

1584
01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:03.680
if you pay attention.

1585
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.039
Well first second, it would be referred to as being

1586
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:09.000
focused on infinity when the camera is focused on something

1587
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.319
that's more than one hundred feet away.

1588
01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:13.520
Okay, it's infinity.

1589
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:15.479
I pushed my glasses up three times while I said

1590
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.119
that you did. It was no, no, no, but I was

1591
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:18.439
just I just thought it was funny to add that.

1592
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:22.039
So we're watching the ocean. It's nothing in particular, but

1593
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:26.199
if you look at the right of frame, there's something

1594
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.560
falls from the sky and crashes way out there in

1595
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:31.359
the ocean.

1596
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:33.279
And it's just kind of it's just a little pup

1597
01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:35.800
because it's it's far, far, far away, and it's probably

1598
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.520
it didn't. It didn't appear to be very big. That's

1599
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.039
something I got right, is that it was not very

1600
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:42.760
big at all. In fact, I think the only reason

1601
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.319
we could see it was because it was moving so fast, exactly,

1602
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:49.159
leaving a little trail of whatever. Yeah. But and and

1603
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:53.279
that was like just a month month and change earlier.

1604
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.359
So I love that. Yeah, so it literally plants the

1605
01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:00.159
seed of like that it was from space. Yeah. Well

1606
01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:03.560
more h I mean more so because of the sequels.

1607
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.680
We know that for sure, because that could have just

1608
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:08.239
been a red herring. I mean any like anything could

1609
01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:11.119
fall from the sky into the ocean randomly.

1610
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:14.880
Right, Well, because that's part of the thing, is Clover

1611
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:21.239
the monster they never we are field. Yes, you know,

1612
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:23.479
there was a lot of speculation, you know, after the

1613
01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.199
movie came out, and after you know, like the arg

1614
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:32.439
concluded in everything what is Clover? And there it's still

1615
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:37.199
not totally settled whether Clover did actually originate from space

1616
01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:40.760
or whether something from space just helped awaken something deep

1617
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:43.359
in the ocean. Because there's the connection to Slush Show.

1618
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.960
Jason the brother is wearing the Slusho shirt. But Slush Show,

1619
01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:52.960
if you during the time of the arg if you

1620
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.359
went to that website, it would mention that some of

1621
01:26:56.399 --> 01:27:01.600
the ingredients are sourced from natural seabed nectar.

1622
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:03.520
Oh yeah, I do remember hearing.

1623
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:07.920
This, which is like, that's weird. The company that Rob

1624
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:11.800
was going to work for, the Japanese company, did a

1625
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.399
lot of deep you know, fake company, but was supposed

1626
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.680
to be responsible for a lot of deep sea drilling,

1627
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.319
and so there's like some deep sea drilling conspiracy theory.

1628
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:26.439
So there's there's no set origin story for clover yet,

1629
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:31.199
but all of us, all of the Cloverfield fans agree something.

1630
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:35.079
It has to do with something with whatever crashed into

1631
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:36.880
the ocean during that footage.

1632
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:42.479
Yeah, we just don't know what well, and so we

1633
01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:46.039
basically end with them having their happy moment, but their

1634
01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:49.960
fate has been sealed. Yeah, And when we come back,

1635
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.600
we're going to talk about how the film is affected everything,

1636
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:56.640
if the film could even be made today the way

1637
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.720
modern life is, and wrap things up for this episode.

1638
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:20.319
So stick around or we'll hammer down you. So, now

1639
01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:23.359
that we've talked about Cloverfield and it being you know,

1640
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:31.520
things winding down, everybody dying, hooray, We're all dead, hooray.

1641
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.640
I do want to mention, you know, the special effects

1642
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:37.880
were obviously like trailblazing for the time. But one interesting

1643
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.880
thing I found out when I was learning about this

1644
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:45.720
is this one thing that Cloverfield has in common with

1645
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:52.560
another very famous found footage movie, allah Paranormal Activity, is that,

1646
01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:56.880
for some reason, for whatever reason, Steven Spielberg watched one

1647
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:01.000
of the early cuts of Cloverfield, much like he watched

1648
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.119
the first cut of Paranormal Activity. For some reason. I've

1649
01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:07.520
I've heard that he's like especially when the earlier days,

1650
01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.359
he was very like that. Like if if you had

1651
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:10.840
a movie come out, even if it was a little

1652
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:12.399
tiny movie, and he saw it and liked it, he'd

1653
01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:14.920
call you on the phone aw and just tell you like, hey,

1654
01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:16.600
I really liked your movie, and like, hey, if you

1655
01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.239
you know, here's my number if you never know, and

1656
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:21.199
that would be it. I've heard a lot of stories

1657
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:22.600
of people with small movies saying like I got the

1658
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:26.239
Steven Spielberg call, aw, which is you know? And he

1659
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:28.560
was always they always said he was very friendly and stuff.

1660
01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.000
So I wondered if the Paranormal Activity movie, I'll look

1661
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:34.520
it up at some point, you know, how the hell

1662
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:36.239
he ended up doing it? But he gave them advice

1663
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:38.319
on how to end the movie and they used it.

1664
01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:41.760
In Paranormal Activity, he did the same thing for Cloverfield.

1665
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.600
He suggested that that giving the audience a hint at

1666
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.960
the fate of the monster during the climax would be better, okay,

1667
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:53.000
which resulted in the addition of that of the countdown

1668
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:56.199
being overheard on the helicopter's radio and the air raid

1669
01:29:56.239 --> 01:30:00.760
sirens uh playing right before everything happens.

1670
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:02.600
Oh, and those are good touches.

1671
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.560
They are they are you know what he's I don't know,

1672
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:07.680
Maybe he's a decent filmmaker, that Steven Spielberg.

1673
01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:09.199
I've got a feeling about that one.

1674
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:11.680
So but I just want to mention that because I

1675
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:14.000
thought it was really interesting that that is like almost

1676
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.840
exactly what happened with Paranormal Activity as well. He literally

1677
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:19.319
was like, I think the ending should be like this,

1678
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.800
although it was a bigger change in Panormal Activity. But

1679
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:27.439
with all that being said, revisiting Cloverfield, I definitely enjoyed it.

1680
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:31.439
It is for a big budget action found footage movie,

1681
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.560
there aren't many others, and it does a damn good job.

1682
01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:36.399
Yeah I do. I don't hate on.

1683
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:42.840
It, Yeah, yeah, well, watching it again, I was really

1684
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:49.479
struck by how I don't think I don't think that

1685
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:54.720
this premise would work. Maybe it would still work, but

1686
01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:58.720
it wouldn't work as well in the modern day, like

1687
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:03.680
you know, twenty twenty six. Yeah, because what helped and

1688
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:06.520
like I said at the beginning, what the strength of

1689
01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:10.960
this film was was we were in this perfect sweet

1690
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:17.279
spot of film technology being available to the masses.

1691
01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:19.920
Yeah, but democratized, democratized.

1692
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:26.359
Yeah, but smartphones and social media hadn't really taken off yet, right, So,

1693
01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:29.880
like I said, like there was a MySpace page for

1694
01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.680
all the characters in this movie, but Facebook wasn't a

1695
01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:37.439
thing yet. Twitter x wasn't a thing yet. TikTok wasn't

1696
01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:42.039
a thing yet. Like those were not even glimmers in

1697
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:46.880
the public eye yet. Like so I feel like if

1698
01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:50.760
this were to be made today, it wouldn't the premise

1699
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:54.399
wouldn't be as effective because the moment something started happening,

1700
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:58.319
people would be on their phones, like tweeting about it,

1701
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.840
or you know, people would be like filming tiktoks in

1702
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.520
front of Clover, like, oh man, I just saw this

1703
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:06.800
guy to get taken out by one of the parasites,

1704
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:10.159
Like I don't think that it would be as effective

1705
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:13.039
because part of what made it so scary was that

1706
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:18.319
there wasn't a way to communicate with the outside world.

1707
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:22.720
Like they get that one cell phone call from Rob's

1708
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:25.680
mom and he has to tell her like Jason's dead.

1709
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:29.640
But aside from that, like they can't communicate with anyone

1710
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:31.880
else because like who else has a phone right now?

1711
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:35.840
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so I think that's

1712
01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:37.800
a very fair point. I do want to mention Twitter

1713
01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:40.960
was around, but it wasn't quite as ubiquitous until after

1714
01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:42.159
until two thousand and nine.

1715
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:44.680
Okay, so slightly after.

1716
01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.920
This, in two thousand and seven, they were there were

1717
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:51.319
three hundred thousand daily tweets oh on Twitter, So it

1718
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:54.760
was already it was all well. It A lot of

1719
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:58.760
people claim it exploded in popularity in two thousand and seven. Okay, okay,

1720
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.000
so we're old.

1721
01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:04.680
No, I don't like it. Who was your MySpace top ten?

1722
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.279
Oh my god, I don't know. That was like twenty

1723
01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:13.439
years ago. I don't remember. It was top eight.

1724
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:16.760
Oh, it's top eight. It was top eight, I remember, Yeah, I.

1725
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:20.479
I don't know, Like whoever I was dating was probably

1726
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.439
number one. I think there was a joke profile in

1727
01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:26.239
there that was in there, and I don't it's this

1728
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.680
is twenty years ago. I don't know.

1729
01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:33.159
Gosh, how's your back feel?

1730
01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:36.359
Fine? But my shoulder hurts and you knew that and

1731
01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:37.359
you asked that to be mean.

1732
01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:39.479
I know, I know, I'm so mean.

1733
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:43.159
You're not not the nicest person. So but yeah, that's

1734
01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:45.439
that's our thoughts on Cloverfield. I think that was a

1735
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.079
fun one to revisit. I think it's definitely worth a watch,

1736
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.680
especially if you love the Monster Mayhem and you like

1737
01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:55.520
that found footage flavor. Yeah, I think I think that. Yeah,

1738
01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:58.119
it holds up well, even for being a little glossy,

1739
01:33:58.159 --> 01:33:59.119
I think it holds up great.

1740
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:00.000
Yeah.

1741
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.960
So but with that being said, do you want to

1742
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.439
tell people what we're watching and what we'll be talking

1743
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:07.359
about next time?

1744
01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:11.800
On Cutting Deep, Well, you kind of set us up,

1745
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:15.000
you kind of. I didn't know where I was going

1746
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:18.279
with that, so I had to catch up with the sentence. No,

1747
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:21.840
you kind of set us up. We are going to

1748
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.359
be I guess the through line is going to be

1749
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:29.199
Steven Spielberg calling up Found footage makers and being like, hey,

1750
01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:31.199
you should do this because we're going to be doing

1751
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:33.600
paranormal activity next because.

1752
01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:36.880
You feel like you can't survive the shame. I really

1753
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:37.920
can't if you keep.

1754
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:40.640
If you keep not, if I don't watch it, then

1755
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:42.239
I lose all my cred.

1756
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:45.640
That's true. So that'll be next time on cutting Deep

1757
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:48.800
into Horror. And we do appreciate you guys joining us

1758
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:51.560
so but now it's time to wrap things up because

1759
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:56.119
this has been quite a tiring week what with what

1760
01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:59.000
with getting the four hundredth episode done. But thank you

1761
01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.199
guys so much for joining us for cutting Deep into Horror.

1762
01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:05.079
We'll be back very soon talking all about the horror

1763
01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:08.199
stories that the horror films that you need to know

1764
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.279
about or love or et cetera.

1765
01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:12.119
At least we love.

1766
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:16.359
I finally ran out of gumption there. But if you

1767
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:18.000
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1768
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1769
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1770
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:27.840
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1771
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.119
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1773
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1774
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1775
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1776
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:41.520
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1777
01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.800
now it's time for us to hunker down and hide

1778
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:47.680
from the parasites. So sound good to you, reach.

1779
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:49.840
Yeah, yeah, let's get away from them.

1780
01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:51.079
We'll see you guys next time.