April 17, 2026

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Creep (2014) Explained: Ending Breakdown, Hidden Meaning & Found Footage Horror Review

Cutting Deep Into Horror | Creep (2014) Explained: Ending Breakdown, Hidden Meaning & Found Footage Horror Review
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Creep (2014) is one of the most unsettling found footage horror movies of the 2010s, and in this episode of Cutting Deep into Horror, Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi dig into why Patrick Brice’s microbudget nightmare still works so well. This episode centers on Creep, the 2014 psychological horror film directed by Patrick Brice and built around the deeply unnerving chemistry between Mark Duplass and Brice himself. The uploaded episode notes describe the discussion as a deep dive into trust, manipulation, ethical boundaries, filmmaking, and emotional vulnerability, with the hosts also teasing One Cut of the Dead for next week.
Inside this episode

- Why Creep feels so real and why its awkward, intimate style makes the horror hit harder
- Josef as a manipulator, using warmth, humor, and vulnerability as weapons
- Found footage tension and how the film turns normal social discomfort into dread
- Filmmaking ethics and performance, including how the movie comments on directors, subjects, and emotional exploitation
- Henrique and Rachael’s own filmmaking stories, including videography and client-boundary experiences that echo the film’s anxieties
- The final act and ending, and why the movie lingers long after it is overThese themes line up closely with the episode chapters and summary embedded in the uploaded transcript file, including sections on wedding videography struggles, first impressions, the shift in atmosphere, the Peachfuzz reveal, manipulation, and filmmaking truths.

About the film​Creep premiered at SXSW on March 8, 2014. It was directed by Patrick Brice, with story credit shared by Patrick Brice and Mark Duplass, and it has gone on to become a modern cult favorite in found-footage and psychological horror circles.

It stars Mark Duplass as Josef and Patrick Brice as Aaron.

Where to watch (U. S., this week)
Current U. S. availability appears to include Netflix, Netflix Standard with Ads, Amazon Prime Video, and Amazon Prime Video with Ads for streaming, with Amazon Video and Fandango At Home showing rental and/or purchase options. I’m only listing options that were corroborated across multiple sources.

Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi go beyond a surface-level review and really get into why Creep feels so disturbing, how Josef weaponizes performance, and why the movie doubles as a nasty little commentary on storytelling itself.

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Okay, if you could just put the camera right across there,

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past that rock and point it this way, a nice

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wide shot.

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Okay, but it kind of looks like really precarious to

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get over there.

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Oh no, no, no, those rocks have been there for

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easily hundreds of thousands of years. Dinosaurs stood on those

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rocks and they didn't budge. So you just head over there.

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I'll stand over here and just kind of watch.

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Ah, okay, go on, slow.

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And steady wins the race, right.

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I was kind of heavy too, Well, you brought it, so.

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I don't know what to tell you about that. I mean,

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if you're trying to tell me that the weight of

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your camera is my problem, I don't know how I

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could help you with that.

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Pointing out the logistics of this.

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Well, we're not a trucking company, So go on, just

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march your way across the rocks, just right across the rocks.

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Hey, I'm going.

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Good, good, good good. I'll just get knife.

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What what what about a knife?

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We're in the woods. You need a knife for things,

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you know, for carving, whittling, eating an apple, and a

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cool affectation. It's just what you need a knife for. Yeah,

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slip in.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep

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dark secrets scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too.

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Now sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is

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cutting Deep into horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I'm,

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of course, Enrique Kuto here with my co host and

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fellow creep Rachel RODOLPHI Rachel, how are you.

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I'm doing pretty good?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had some good salmon I did.

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That was delicious.

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That's good. That's good for those who are listening to

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this On the day it publishes, which is a Friday

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of April some sort of some sort the seventeenth, I think,

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I don't know. I mean it must be a day

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that ends up why because you got a frog in

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your throat? So usually see that was great. Usually I'll

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be at the Columbus Oddities and Curiosities Expo in Columbus,

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Ohio at the Fairgrounds there, So if you happen to

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be in that area, why not stop by. But yeah,

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so tonight we're talking about a film I've loved since

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the first time I watched it, and a film that

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has gotten a pretty solid cult following pretty much immediately

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because it had a sequel right away, and then it

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had a TV series, And we just watched the second

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season of that TV series. Wasn't that the Saconderson.

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I believe they've already approved a third season, so that's which.

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We are eagerly awaiting.

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And this is twenty fourteen's horror film Creep, which is

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currently available to stream on Netflix with your subscription. So

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why on earth would you not check out Creep? It

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is a found footage horror film with a bit of comedy,

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but honestly, it's really just a terrifying experience, especially if

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you are a videographer, which is which I don't even

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know one hundred percent that that's the inspiration, but I

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guarantee it because I have went on videography jobs and

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they're like in the middle of nowhere or you know,

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always for a total stranger. That's always the case, and

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you just kind of like have to hope that they're well,

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you're not really worrying about the being psychos. You're hoping

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that they'll pay you what they said they will. You know,

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there's a lot of less exciting elements, but it does

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end on you know, hoping that they don't murder you

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or something. Because people will hire you to film the

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weirdest stuff. I mean, and I'm not even like a

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seasoned videographer. I got very fortunate in that I got

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a lot of work in the cinema space pretty early on.

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So I've only ever filmed two weddings ever, and they

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were both for friends, which it would explain why I'm

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extra grumpy because weddings usually pay really well. Those did

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not because I did them for friends, but they were

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well I guess technically. Well I sort of filmed a

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third one, but that was a whole other nightmare.

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How do you sort of film a wedding?

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Well it was weird, like they didn't give me. Okay,

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So before we get to this creep is about a

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psychopath who hires a videographer to film him and messes

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with him. The entire time. That is the long of

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the short of it, and it's a starring Mark Duplos,

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who is very well known as an actor and as

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a producer and director in his own right. Lots of

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films like Safety Not Guaranteed, the one I love The

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Lazarus Effect. He was, of course famous for being on

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the show The League. He's been in a lot of

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great shows, directed a lot of great films, and he's

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one of the writers and the star in this. The

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other writer and director and star is Patrick Brice who

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plays the trepidacious videographer. And it's good stuff. Mark Duplas

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with his brother I think it was. Jeff Duplas directed

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one of my favorite movies of all time, Jeff who

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Lives at Home. I love that movie. It's a phenomenal film. So, yeah,

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a big fan of his work, and Creep is definitely

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a departure. It's definitely a totally new world for Duplas.

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Although he was always kind of on the periphery of horror, yeah,

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because he worked with a lot of low budget horror

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guys or guys who started in horror, like Joe Swamberg

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and a bunch of those folks. So anyway, So about weddings.

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If when you film a wedding, you have to be

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really really comfortable inserting yourself because most of the time

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everybody is way too busy and they're not willing to

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answer your questions. They don't give you anything at all.

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And if you want to have like a cinematic wedding video,

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you need to it needs to be faked. I mean,

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you can't get a cinematic bride walking down the aisle

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because it's just a thing happening. It's yeah, yeah, you

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film it like you film a friggin high school basketball

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game with one camera. I mean, it's just you just

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pan and hope for the best. So and that was

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something that people that the last person I filmed for

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really did not seem to understand. She before the wedding

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and everything, she was all like, I heard you have

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a drone. Maybe we could do like a panning down thing?

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Is the whatever? I'm like, if you want to get

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there an hour and a half early to fake the

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opening of your wedding to get it, She's like, we

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couldn't we do it during that? I'm like, so I'd

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have to just nail it perfectly and then run to

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the other camera and start filming as well. And also

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not like crash it into anybody's face. The drone, you know,

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like what like and this is this is a few

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years ago to so their own weighed like eight pounds.

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It was not these little bitty drones that fly around

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real easy now. So they like I couldn't even get

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them to let me put a microphone on them, like

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on the bride and groom, because they were so busy

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and they just didn't care. And then they, I guess,

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weren't happy with the video. I really don't know. They

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took forever to ask for it, well, not to ask

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for it, they took forever to accept it. I was like,

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it's ready, it's ready, it's ready, it's ready. And then

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eventually they took it and they're like, we didn't like

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some of this, and I was like, cool, that was

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seven months ago. It was ready three weeks later.

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What do you want me to do about it? Now?

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It was a favor, So that that was the worst

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part it It was a favor. They didn't hate it,

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oh no, No, it wasn't that they had to complain. It

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was that the DVD didn't play in their player and

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I was like, oh, well, I gave it to you

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seven months ago, so let me see if I can

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make you another one. But like, I gave it to

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you seven months ago and you're just now telling me

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like I might not have deleted your wedding, but I

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probably deleted your wedding. And I think I was able

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to burn another copy or something. I forget what happened,

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but it was just a nightmare. It was just really

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unpleasant experience, very much a Bridezilla type of thing. And

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I hate saying it, but like I mean, it was.

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It really was. The other two weddings I did were

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not at all like that, yeah, like not even a

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little bit, but this one it was like that. It

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was really like that. And I think the cruelest thing

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was that I was shooting it as a favor, as

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like a gift, and I was not expecting any money.

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But I was told repeatedly like, well, we're going to

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We're gonna tip you though, because you deserve something, and

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then they never did, which I actually thought was shittier

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than just saying like thanks for doing this for free,

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like what we tip you? And then they never even

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brought it, never came up again, like nothing happened. It

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was It was really stupid. It was really stupid. But

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they were not super happy with like the angle I

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got of them proposing, but I didn't like nobody. They

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wouldn't stand where they were so I could get the shot.

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I had to just figure it out. So I mean,

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and yeah, you know other people do do it fine. Yeah,

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they have two camera operators. They're also being paid both

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of them. Like, I showed up and did the best

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I could. It was a real pain in the butt.

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E So, but I filmed. I filmed a hip hop

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award ceremony once, which I don't know who cared like

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because it wasn't It wasn't some big thing. It was

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some random people in Middletown, Ohio, like rented out a

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hall and did a hip hop award thing in Middletown. Yeah,

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that's where the guy was based out of. There's actually

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seemed to be a pretty decent little hip hop community there,

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although I'm sure a lot of them were dating and

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Cincinnati based. Yeah, that's why they call it Middletown.

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Why did I never realize that before?

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Did you really never realize that it was called Middletown?

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No? I mean, I realized it was called Middletown, but

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I didn't realize like, because it's.

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That's what I mean. Yeah, because it's the middletownwe between

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Dayton and Cincinnati. That's literally, yeah, that's what it's called Middletown. Wow.

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Okay, I'm not that bright. Huh.

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Fair enough, But that was a weird one because the

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guy was like, thanks so much, man, thanks for coming.

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I was like, yep, And then he was like, so

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I should be able to just take the file right

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And I'm like, yep, as soon as you pay me.

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And he's like, well, I'll get you taken care of

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in a minute, but uh, it's on a card and

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I'm like, doesn't matter until you pay me because you're

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not getting the footage. And he was trying super hard

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to get the footage and then catch me later. And

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you know, to quote a famous man, I was born

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at night, but not last night. Yeahy but this was

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the best. This was the best. So once it became

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clear that like, if I didn't get paid in like

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five minutes, I was leaving with the footage because I

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had already been there half an hour longer than they

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told me I was going to be there, his wife

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had to come and pay me because he didn't have

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any money, you know, on him or whatever. So yeah,

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that's yeah, that was that was a pretty funny one.

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So and that guy I ended up. He was around

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for a while and I realized he was just a fraud.

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He he made up a bunch of stuff on Facebook.

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He published a book a year or two later and

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had fake reviews like you. I looked them up and

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they were not real reviews. And when I confronted him,

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he didn't even He was just like, hey man, it's

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just like what you got to do to get your

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name out there. And I was like, you mean be fraudulent?

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And I just deleted him from everything. I was like,

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never want to deal with you again. Yeah, yeah, like you're.

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Not bad news.

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Well there are people like that, you know, that whole

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fake it till you make it mentality. There's a way

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you can do that that is constructive and honest, like

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keeping a positive attitude, you know, believing that your work

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is professional even if it may not be yet or whatever.

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But literally, just like wholesale lying and stuff is just

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called fraud. And that's just that's what that's's to me.

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That's not faking it till you make it. That's just fraud.

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That's why there's a word in law for it, which

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is fraud. So anyway, that's my initial digression. I figured

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it wouldn't take long because this movie always makes me

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think of all the especially when I was younger, all

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the awkward video gigs I had to go do, and

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some of them were great. I shot a short film

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for a guy named Tim Summerville, who you've met Tim,

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and I ended up working for him a dozen times

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and sometimes for like a lot of money later on.

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I mean, he and he's just a good dude. I

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like him, so I mean, it wasn't all bad, although

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I remember when I had when I shot that for

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a short film for him, was the most exhausting time

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of my life because he had a job, a day job,

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and I had a day job. So it had to

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film after nine o'clock because that was when he was

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off work, which is actually when I was off work.

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So it had to film after nine o'clock, which meant

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filming pretty late. And then there was one Saturday because

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they needed daytime exteriors. It basically worked out that I

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would I filmed a bulldog for Christmas for two for

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three days straight, and then worked for three days at

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my job. Worked, then worked today, worked tonight at his work, today,

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work tonight at his Then filmed the remainder of a

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Bulldog for Christmas for two days, and then worked the

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whole week at my day job, and then that Sunday

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filmed the remainder of a short film. So I was like,

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I was so tired, but I was so happy to

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make some money anyway. But there's a lot of that

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and this film I think captures some of that in

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a in a pretty fun way. So if you've never

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seen Creep, I do recommend you watch it because when

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we get back, we're gonna spoil the goddamn hell out

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of it. Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that.

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That's what we do.

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Yeah, right after this, we're back. And the first time

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I saw Creep, I think it was on Netflix first, Like,

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I think that's where it landed right after it came out,

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because I could swear that's where I watched it originally. Hmm.

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I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain. Oh yeah, yeah,

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it was a Its global release on Netflix was July fourteenth,

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twenty fifteen, So I did watch it on Netflix, and

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I remember people talking about it in like the podcast

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I was listening to at the time. They were all

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pretty into it, and Mark Duplas was kind of a

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darling already for all the indie stuff you had done

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and kind of breaking into the mainstream here and there.

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But I remember as I was watching it, I love

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found footage movies. I think as long as you stay

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true to the found footage concept as much as you

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can bear, you're gonna make me creeped out because there's

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so many advantages for tension and suspense to found footage.

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I mean literally, you're knowingly aware that you're not seeing everything.

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And I've always thought that was a big, a big thing,

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I guess. I mean, I've directed four found footage features.

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I think it's four or three, Yeah, Ghost House, Amityville, No,

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I think it's just three, amNY Villain Devil's Trail. Yeah.

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So like yeah, I mean, like I've always loved that concept.

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And as time goes on, people are only more receptive

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to it because they're all filming on their phones now,

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so people are used to watching raw footage more than ever. Yeah,

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and that's kind of the big thing. I mean not

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all found footage movies have to be that way or

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have to be simulating raw footage. Some of them, you know,

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come up with a reason why they're edited together, like

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this one has a reason at the end you find

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out and we'll get to that. We'll spoil that eventually,

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all in due time. Yeah, yeah, so it but it's

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it's pretty it's it's it's a very eerie movie. And

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I will say after rewatching it, it's not as good

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and repeat viewings. And I don't mean that in a

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big negative way. I mean you catch way more nuanced

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and you have a lot more fun. But the movie

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was much scarier when you're trying to figure out what

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kind of crazy person Duplas's character is.

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Oh absolutely, because.

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Once you know that, it kind of to be honest,

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the third act kind of was a little bit of

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not I mean, I still like the movie, but it

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was a little bit dragging because like I already know, like, oh,

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he's a serial killer, because the whole point of the

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film is you don't know, you just know he's clearly

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mentally unstable in some way.

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Yeah that's all you can clock on him.

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Yeah yeah, so, and I mean that works really well

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for in that way. I do think the sequel Creep Too,

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is like the better just soup to nuts watch it

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because you get all the backstory from the first one.

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There are a lot of sequels like that, where like

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they get to be way more enthralling because all the

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hard work was done in the first movie of establishing things. Yeah,

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so you don't have to feel like yeah, but you.

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Don't have to do all the exposition.

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Yeah. And then the Creep Tapes are a TV series

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that's almost mean. It's pretty much an anthology series of

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more of the encounters this guy has had with filmmakers

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and filmmaking as a means for murder HM, which I

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think is really fun and interesting. Yeah, because a big

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reveal at the end of Creep is that there's possibly

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one hundred videotapes just like the one he just made,

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which I thought was a great reveal. So I love

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that they're playing that up in the series format. I

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know they're still talking about there maybe being a Creep three,

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which I'd be fine with two, but I could see

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like a twenty five minute episode is way easier to

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kind of not feel repetitive because Creep really builds the

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tension and the mystery a lot. Yeah, and it's like

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eighty some minute runtime, seventy seven minute runtime.

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Yeah, it is a taut run time.

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Smartest thing you can do for a found fit movies

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get in and out. I mean the worst, the worst

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found footage movies I've watched. You know. The big problem

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is they just try to be too much. Yeah, they

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try to depict way too much, and you're just sitting

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there like, how would this all be captured like by

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like a handycam or a phone or something, or a webcam,

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Like why would all of this be happening in front

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of the camera. In a way, you kind of have

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to refuse the audience things to kind of make it work.

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In my opinion, I would I would have to agree

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less is more oftentimes with the found footage.

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Oh yeah, well, and it makes when when you like

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miss a big moment, you know, a big moment in

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the movie like isn't caught on camera, It just sells

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the authenticity more because you don't capture everything on camera

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when you're filming things much like you know, a wedding

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with no plan or or what have.

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You so, or a hip hop award ceremony you see.

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There you go. So with that all being said, so

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what was your first experience watching Creep?

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After you watched it, you were blown away? So we

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watched it together, and I was similarly blown away, you know,

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because I also really love found footage.

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And yeah, but that's that doesn't count because you're a

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Cloverfield fan, which, by the way, I just I need

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to give that another watch. I didn't hate it when

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it came out or anything. It was just so big.

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Yeah, it was pretty mainstream, I.

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Mean big, like it was a major budget, like a

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lot of wild things happened. I thought it was like

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too big in that way. Yeah, but it's still pretty good.

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I mean, I love I love ten Cloverfield Lane, you know,

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which was one of its spinoffs. It's one of the

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finest suspense films I've seen in a long time.

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Well it's I mean, it got me into, uh, found footage.

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So I'm not you're allowed to have a favorite found

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footage movie that's not my favorite. I'm not. I'm not

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offended by that or anything.

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But yeah, the thing I liked about Creep was not

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just the pacing, but it kind of turns a lot

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of horror tropes on their head because the villain Joseph,

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he weaponizes niceness and he really uses like his charm

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as a weapon. And that's one of the reasons I

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wanted to talk about this after we talked about like

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Henry Portrait of a serial Killer is because this is

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a very socially adept serial killer and that makes him

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like way more intimidating and a lot more dangerous.

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I get that. I mean I think that he I

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think he is not even charming. I think that he's

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really good at playing on people's on their empathy. Oh yeah, yeah,

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that's really what he's good at. He's good at playing

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with people's emotions and making and appearing vulnerable in order

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to get what he wants. And he does it constantly.

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Oh yeah. Whenever in any of the films or TV series,

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whenever somebody starts to break away from the plan he

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has in front of him, he usually finds an emotional

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breaking point or something that makes them feel bad and

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want to see, you know, try to.

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Help him exactly. So yeah, he really his his type

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of being a predator was just really you know, off

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putting to me from the first viewing. And I have

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to agree with you, that creep two is like, on

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a second viewing, is the stronger film, just like because

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you there's a lot more to just kind of like

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keep I wouldn't say keep you guessing, but there's it's

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like a different kind of tension.

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Well, I mean, the big mystery of Creep once you

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know it, it kind of it kind of makes the

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movie not as like enthralling on a second viewing. But

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Creep too, I mean there are twists and turns in

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big surprises, but I feel like they're still pretty surprising.

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I don't know, like it's not one hundred percent of

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a critique or anything. I just think that maybe Creep

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two is a little more fun on a second viewing.

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But there are a lot of little details and things

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you can miss on Creep if you've only watched it once.

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Oh yeah, so it's definitely worse for you watching.

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Oh yeah, I mean I love it. It's one of

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my favorite horror films of the last couple decades. Yeah,

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so we're going to take a quick break and when

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we get back, we'll dive deeper into Creep right after this.

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So I did double check and director Patrick Bryce said

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that Creep was in many ways inspired by his experiences

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on Craigslist, which was for a very long time where

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you found video gigs. I found a few on there

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man in the heyday.

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So so you were you were dead you were dead, right.

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I mean I knew because it had so many of

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the hallmarks of just like, oh cool, I'm doing a

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I'm doing a video gig for a person. They sure

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are odd well, and and a lot of times when

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you get hired for video gigs and stuff, you're you're

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you're getting people who don't know anything about that. They

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don't know anything about doing a video, they don't know

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anything about making a film, and sometimes it can be

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really frustrating because they can be very you know, cavalier

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or very like, you know, I know what I'm doing,

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I do what I want, you know, or they can

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be very awkward. It's like I, you know, you meet

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a guy and it's like I have a furniture store.

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I don't know anything about making videos, but I know

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I need a video and you meet I mean, it's

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like in business in general, you meet all kinds of personalities. Yeah, yeah,

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and sometimes you meet ones that kind of like make

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you feel uncomfortable or what have you. So when I

453
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was watching it, I was just imagining. I could see

454
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:29.160
myself kind of like riffing this idea from the times

455
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.559
I've went to film things and you know, wondered what

456
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:35.039
it was going to be like, Like what if this

457
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:40.599
guy was just completely on another planet, not interested in

458
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.640
you know, personal space, love bombing and trauma dumping all

459
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:50.559
the time. And that's, you know, what makes this movie

460
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.599
work very well. Yeah. I also want to mention that

461
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.319
this movie is, and this is a term I only

462
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.119
learned a little while ago, this film is a two hander.

463
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:01.240
I don't know if you've ever heard that term.

464
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:02.799
Does that mean? I'm curious.

465
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.839
It means that the people in the film all have

466
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:05.559
two hands.

467
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.359
Oh well, wouldn't that mean most movies are two handers.

468
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.799
I didn't say this was the only two hander, right, No, now,

469
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:18.759
two handers are. It's an old showbiz term for like

470
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:24.960
for films, plays, or television programs with only two main characters. Okay, so,

471
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.319
and often with two handers you have, you know, it's

472
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.920
they're like differences of experience and social social elements and uh,

473
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.000
and the differences between people are kind of explored because

474
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.279
there's just two Okay, okay, but it doesn't always have

475
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.519
to be something. It can be you know, incredibly constructive,

476
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.759
or it can be used for horror, you know, like

477
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.359
misery is a two hander.

478
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.400
Okay, yeah, yeah, but it can you.

479
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.920
Know, but it could also be two people trying to

480
00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.559
you know, save each other's lives or fall in love

481
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.480
or or whatever. But yeah, there are there are a

482
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.200
lot of those, and I'm I have a soft spot

483
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.319
for two handers as well.

484
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.160
So enemy mine is a two hander.

485
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:14.279
Yes, the alien species also only has two hands, but no,

486
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.640
it's absolutely that's a really good example of a two hander. So,

487
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.920
uh but I want to mention that because that's just

488
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.480
an interesting side note about this this weird found footage

489
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:30.559
horror film. Yeah, so the film basically opens with this guy.

490
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.960
I believe his name is Patrick. I think he just

491
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.480
has he uses his own name in it, doesn't he.

492
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:37.079
Use.

493
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.799
I was looking at my notes, like how did I

494
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:39.400
get Aaron?

495
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.960
That's like what I said, said Joseph. I was like,

496
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.119
how'd you get Joseph? Because the guy uses a billion

497
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.119
names he does in all the movies and TV series.

498
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.319
And I literally had to like go back and watch

499
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.440
his introduction again to make sure.

500
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.319
Oh you didn't just go on IMDb and see what

501
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:55.160
his character name was.

502
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:56.400
I did that too.

503
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.039
Okay, there you go. But uh, he basically shows up

504
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.680
at this cabin in the middle of nowhere. It's I mean,

505
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.480
I don't know exactly where it is, but it sure

506
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.680
looks like Big Bear. Yeah, which is a part of

507
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.119
California where people go to vacation, vacation camp, you know,

508
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.920
get into cabins. Oh apparently it was Crestlining, California, which

509
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.480
is in the San Bernardino Mountains. Oh so the kind

510
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.519
of place where people vacation that live in Los Angeles.

511
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.480
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, And he.

512
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.759
Meets up with his client. But we start immediately with

513
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.000
it already being weird because he shows up and there's

514
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.559
nobody there. Yeah, and he's like knocking on the door.

515
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.880
And I will say, this is the other element of

516
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.440
doing these gigs is sometimes you have to drive pretty

517
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.799
far and when you get there, you're like, oh, man,

518
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:46.920
I hope I didn't waste my gas money. I hope

519
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.200
I didn't, you know, waste all this energy. And then

520
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.359
find out that this is nothing. You know, that I'm

521
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.599
being that the guy no showed me or whatever. It's

522
00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:01.960
why you really take deposits. Yeah, you do videos. When

523
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.920
you do video, if you don't know somebody, especially, you

524
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.599
definitely take a deposit. But eventually he startled, which is

525
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.839
a running gag in Creep. Yeah, Is he scares you?

526
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:18.839
Yeah, because the jump scares almost to me seem like

527
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.559
part of Joseph or whatever his name is. That seems

528
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.799
like part of his personality is the jump scares, because

529
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.440
he doesn't do that just in Creep. He does it

530
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.480
a little bit in Creep too, and some in like

531
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.559
the TV series too, So it's like, I.

532
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.640
Don't know about part of his personality. He's trying to

533
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.839
make a scary movie. Well, yeah, no, because the whole

534
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:50.119
thing is that the Creep himself is hiring videographers and

535
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.599
then making a movie out of them, making trying to

536
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:58.039
film things, which is an interesting concept because it's very backwards.

537
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.440
It is he very seldom has the camera and is

538
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.920
you know, chasing you down. It's you bring the camera

539
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.759
and then he terrorizes you, which I do find, you know,

540
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.559
really fascinating. Yeah, And that's why I think he jump

541
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.319
scares him as he's just trying to make the movie

542
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.680
interesting because he's making a movie and he considers himself

543
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.680
a filmmaker. He does so, and and the fact that

544
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.200
you know, they made a TV a movie series and

545
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.200
TV series. But a guy who, although there are some

546
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:31.119
you know, the definition gets stretched a little bit. He

547
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:35.240
basically just hunts and kills filmmakers. I mean that is

548
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:40.160
most of what he does. It's pretty pretty wild. And

549
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.240
but I get it though, because there's so many times

550
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.920
that you feel vulnerable doing those gigs, doing those little

551
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.160
video gigs and stuff. So he meets up with Joseph.

552
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:54.680
Joseph explains that he has a brain tumor that is inoperable.

553
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.240
And but he doesn't just say like, I have an

554
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.759
inoperable rain to her. He tells it like I got cancer,

555
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.599
I got chemo, I got better.

556
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.519
Yeah, like I fought it and I and.

557
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.839
I did great. And then five years later, which was

558
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.799
like two weeks ago or whatever, I found out it's

559
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.960
back and it's inoperable. So that's already an emotional roller

560
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:19.480
coaster to find out the person you just met is dying. Yeah,

561
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.640
that's a lot for anybody. For most people, that is

562
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.519
a lot. So and then he explains to him that

563
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:30.400
he wants to film a video for his son, who's

564
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:35.799
very young, to watch when he's older. Now, if I

565
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.200
were to be completely honest, this doesn't sound that far

566
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.359
fetched of the kind of odd gigs you can get

567
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.680
hired to film. The only part that is odd is

568
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:48.880
why you wouldn't just have like your wife film it

569
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.079
with the phone or something. Yeah, but he kind of

570
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.039
explains that later kind of. I mean, he has an

571
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.720
explanation for everything, because he's a phenomenal liar, and we'll

572
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.079
get into more of those lies right after this.

573
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:22.920
So things kind of start getting weird almost instantly after

574
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.480
their introduction, because you know, go through the introduction, the

575
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.640
whole you know, recording this for my son thing, and

576
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.519
then Joseph is like, okay, well, time for a bath

577
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.359
and just goes across the house and starts running a

578
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.319
bath and immediately just dresses down to his birthday suit.

579
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:49.279
And the thing that, you know, kind of struck me

580
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:53.200
the first time, but it really hit home on the

581
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.759
second viewing, is this is kind of a play on

582
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.839
the trope of rism. It's it's almost like in the reverse,

583
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:09.759
it's more like exhibitionism, because Joseph is using his vulnerability

584
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.480
to just test and see how uncomfortable he can make

585
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.640
aarin uh and it starts with you know, getting naked

586
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.359
and then getting in the tub and then explaining his

587
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.920
uh you know, childhood times with its dad taking you know,

588
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.440
he calls it tubby time, Yeah, you know, taking a

589
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.759
bath with his dad. And then he acts out bathing

590
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:37.480
with a little like baby or a little toddler and

591
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:41.240
like pantomiming that he's got this baby there. And it

592
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:46.799
would be sweet if things in the movie didn't pan

593
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.079
out the way they do.

594
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say that's clear.

595
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.880
Yeah, but but yeah, it's it's you know, this this

596
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.000
moment that kind of like really puts Aaron on edge

597
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.759
because he's really not certain like what am I supposed

598
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.559
to be doing outside of filming? And then Joseph gets

599
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:13.599
really somber, and the whole mood changes when he starts

600
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.760
talking about like his imminent.

601
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.800
Death, which usually is a fine topic.

602
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.199
Yeah, I mean, that's usually the one that you it's

603
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.679
a good icebreaker, right yeah.

604
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:25.360
Yeah.

605
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.559
And so he starts talking about like his imminent death

606
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.360
and then he says like he could just end it now,

607
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.239
and he submerges himself under the water and won't come up.

608
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.800
And it's for several moments, like I wasn't count counting

609
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.000
out how long it was. But for several moments he's

610
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.320
like under the water and Aaron like starts getting panicky

611
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.760
and like yelling at him, like get up, and like

612
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:57.760
reaching for him. And finally Joseph just bursts out of

613
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.559
the water and screams then scares hearing again.

614
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.239
Yeah. Well, and this is a solid empathy thing because

615
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.800
he expresses that like, oh, I was just trying to

616
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.639
like make you you know, I was trying to have

617
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.239
fun with you or make you laugh or whatever. And

618
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.719
I feel like that's a common thing when you meet

619
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.559
because when you meet somebody new, I think a lot

620
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.880
of people are off putting. Yeah, when you don't know them.

621
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.840
I mean because you just don't know their their you know, mentality,

622
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.880
or their demeanor. You don't know their sense of humor.

623
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.920
Those are all things you have to kind of to

624
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.840
get a hook on. And in particular, videographers filmmakers people

625
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:48.039
like that they tend to be a little more awkward anyway. Yeah,

626
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.079
they tend to be artistic, but they also tend to

627
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.679
be very technical. So I mean, like I can tell

628
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.760
you because like when I would do camera gigs, I'm

629
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:01.760
extremely outgoing and that's not super common. I mean, it

630
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.280
does happen, for sure, but I'm very very outgoing mm hmm,

631
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:10.679
and most are not, so I feel like it's easy

632
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.800
to play on the empathy of like I can't like

633
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.400
just because I don't like get their humor or whatever,

634
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.880
Like they were just trying to make me laugh, and

635
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.320
like how many times have I put my foot in

636
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.599
my mouth by trying to just trying to make somebody

637
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.559
laugh so they like me or whatever, just trying to

638
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.679
fit in and I end up looking stupid. I feel

639
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.480
like that's kind of what he's playing with absolutely, and

640
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.320
that that has a, you know, a big effect on

641
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.920
how you judge him or whatever. I also want to

642
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.599
mention when they first are meeting, after he scares him

643
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.599
the first time, when they're still outside before the tubby

644
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.039
time incident, he says something to him that I thought

645
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.679
was really fascinating, where he says like he wants to

646
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.079
he like goes to hug him, he wants to hug him,

647
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.000
and he says, like go on. He's like, it might

648
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.920
feel awkward now, but by the end of this, it's

649
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.519
going to feel completely normal, you know, because we're going

650
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.239
to have you know, we're gonna connect and bond and

651
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.559
da da da da. That is usually how it goes.

652
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.400
I mean that is like when you work intensely on

653
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.159
a project with another person for a whole day. Oh yeah,

654
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.239
Usually by the end of it, you've gained a lot

655
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.719
of fondness for going through whatever it is you've gone

656
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.960
through together, even if it's you know, relatively unpleasant or

657
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.519
relatively easy. Usually by the end you have a fondness

658
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:26.880
because humans are just that way anyway. M h. I

659
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:28.840
mean it's even worse on a movie set or something

660
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.800
where you're all stuck together for like eight days. By

661
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.960
the end of it, you've all got Stockholm syndrome. But

662
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.119
it's like cross each other. So I always love when people,

663
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.599
by the way, when they talk about making movies, they

664
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.360
always say it's like summer camp. I always like that,

665
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:44.880
or they're like, it's like going to camp, you know,

666
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.320
like dah da da da. I always enjoy that because

667
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.079
I never went to camp, but I made a bunch

668
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.280
of movies. So whenever I hear somebody say something about

669
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.239
summer camp, I'm like, I've never been to summer camp,

670
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.719
but I've always heard it's kind of like making a movie,

671
00:37:58.639 --> 00:37:59.119
So in that.

672
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.840
Way, you've been to men summer camps.

673
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.000
I just like that because if you reverse that, it

674
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.400
sounds really stupid, Like what do you mean it's like

675
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.519
making a movie. That's I just wanted to share that

676
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.320
because I have said that before, like I don't know,

677
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:12.679
but I know what to make it a movie's like,

678
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.920
so I'm guessing that's like summer camp then, right, But no,

679
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.840
So I thought that was a really interesting thing. How

680
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.639
he even acknowledges like, yes, it's a little awkward right

681
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.559
now because we just met, but we're going to really

682
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.639
enjoy our time together, m because we're going to make

683
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.800
something great and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,

684
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.960
which everybody says, even the people who are lying.

685
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.000
So especially the people who are lying.

686
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.119
If you're lucky that they're that smart. I mean, that's

687
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.719
the thing. You're assuming way too much intelligence from a

688
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.039
lot of these these people. But yeah, so, I mean

689
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.880
the scaring the tubby time thing is a good example

690
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:53.360
of like the weird trauma dumping, the weird over sharing,

691
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.559
the weird attempting to like scare him but then being like, oh,

692
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.760
I'm sorry, Like I was just truly trying to enjoy

693
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.400
hanging out with you. And the funny thing is, I mean,

694
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.360
especially for men. I mean, that is often how men

695
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.679
bond is with like ribbing each other to east each

696
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.519
other stuff like that's how you kind of show that

697
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.599
you like somebody. So that's also an element that makes

698
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.480
it all the more awkward and interesting. And that's one

699
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.440
of the powers this movie has is that it's super awkward.

700
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.719
It is, but it's like a superpower. I mean, and

701
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.440
most people, especially the more like I was saying, the

702
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.039
more kind of technical and creative they are, the more

703
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.679
forgiving they are of that kind of stuff. Yeah, or

704
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.760
at least they try. Yeah, but yeah, the whole tub

705
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.960
thing is really weird. The other thing is like, he's

706
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.440
a guy who is lying all the time, but he'll

707
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:52.119
also randomly admit to lying, which is a really clever

708
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:56.519
way to diffuse the wondering if there's more lies in

709
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.960
a way I mean in a way you like, what

710
00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.360
else are you lying about it? For lying about this,

711
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.519
But in another where you're like he always comes forward

712
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.159
when he's like goofen.

713
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.519
Yeah, yeah, because it makes you drop your guard because

714
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.880
you feel like, oh, I am actually getting a little

715
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.599
bit of honesty, so I know where that line is.

716
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.079
Yeah, yeah, and just trying to, you know, figure out

717
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:17.280
what this person's all about.

718
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:18.679
Yeah.

719
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.239
So there's a lot of layers and a lot of

720
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.079
that I think has to do with Mark Duplas being

721
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.920
a very talented writer and performer and improviser, and I've

722
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.440
lose Patrick Bryce. Yeah, Patrick Bryce, the the director and

723
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:39.039
co star, being a very talented, you know, creative mind

724
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:43.480
as well. From what I understand, the writing process was

725
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:48.000
them having conversations and writing down things that they liked

726
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.920
and kind of running with it, okay, And I think

727
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.400
that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, there's definitely a

728
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.480
ton of improv and they hit a groove really quickly.

729
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.440
They do where you where you can really feel what

730
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.440
they're talking about and believe that they're having a legitimate

731
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.119
conversation that I really like. So, I don't know, there's

732
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:11.360
a lot. There's a lot to really enjoy in this movie.

733
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:15.679
And the performance is the biggest one. Oh absolutely, Patrick

734
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.800
is incredibly or Aaron is the character name is incredibly understated,

735
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:27.320
and obviously Joseph is massive. Oh yeah, she's you know,

736
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:32.039
humongous in her in her depiction, you know, or in

737
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.280
his depiction. Yeah, I love this movie for those reasons

738
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.320
more than the horror stuff that you could like kind

739
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.519
of listen to these two people talk for a while

740
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.559
and see what you're getting from it. But uh, and sorry,

741
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.599
my brain broke because I was trying to look up

742
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.559
their names, and I actually clicked on Mark Duplas's wife, Oh,

743
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.800
Catherine Asselton, Oh, who is a film a director, producer

744
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.559
and actress of her own right, and who does the

745
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.480
voice later on on the telephone uncredited, So that's why

746
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.440
her image popped up when I was trying to scroll

747
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.440
through and make sure I knew that the actor names

748
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.599
or the character names. But we're going to take a

749
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.800
quick break because it's just going to get more awkward

750
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.000
right after this.

751
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:31.480
So Joseph suggests, now that they've gotten to know each other,

752
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.760
that it would be a good time to go on

753
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.960
a hike. So he kind of tells Aaron, like, go

754
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.920
to this closet. There's some like hats and like outdoor gear.

755
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.840
We'll get geared up and we'll go on a hike.

756
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.719
Aaron goes opens up the closet and there's this like

757
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.880
face in the closet, and he kind of freaks out,

758
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.199
and Joseph's like, oh no, no, no, don't don't worry.

759
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.599
It's Peach Fuzz. And he pulls out this mask, this

760
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:07.519
latex mask of a like wolfhead, but it's got like

761
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.679
a full head of like full Maine. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

762
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.519
So he pulls out this mask can he explains this

763
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:22.679
is Peach Fuzz, the Friendly Wolf, and my dad would

764
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.599
do this like song and dance as Peach Fuzz to

765
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.760
like make me happy as a little kid. And then

766
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.199
we cut and Joseph's got the Peach Fuzz mask on

767
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.079
and he's standing in the living room and he's like

768
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.519
gyrating and kind of singing this weird little song like

769
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.159
oh I'm a friendly Wolf, And even behind the camera

770
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:50.519
you can feel how unsettled Aaron is. It's a very

771
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.920
unsettling thing to watch. It's it's not provocative really in

772
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.719
any way, but it just feels so weird and wrong.

773
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.760
See I didn't think it was that bad. I just

774
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.960
thought it was super awkward because like he's like, I'll

775
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.119
do the Peach Fuzz song and it's like super obviously

776
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.440
and dance and it's super obviously. He's like making it

777
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.039
up on this or having trouble remembering it or something.

778
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.280
So to me, it was just like painfully awkward. He's

779
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.920
just like dancing around in this mask and acting like

780
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:24.079
it's a really big thing to share, which is just strange.

781
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:25.079
It's so weird.

782
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.920
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, peach Fuzz ends up

783
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:33.079
being a major element in all of creep lore. Yes so,

784
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:37.320
but this is the introduction of peach Fuzz, which the

785
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.559
original title of the film was peach Fuzz, but they

786
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.519
decided to change it because they were like, it takes

787
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.599
thirty minutes to even find out why the hell it's

788
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.440
called peach fuzz, and they didn't want people watching the

789
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.880
movie trying to figure out why it was called peach fuzz.

790
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.719
I think creep is a much stronger title.

791
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.199
I would have free. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree.

792
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:57.719
And well, you and I have had discussions ad nauseum

793
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.880
about how important the correct type for a movie is.

794
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.760
I mean, I don't know if it's the correct I

795
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.320
mean it works because it creepy is a creep I

796
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.960
do think it works. It's a very very simple one

797
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:14.440
word title. I mean, most movies have perfectly fine titles,

798
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.960
but peach Fuzz would have been it would have It

799
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.159
would have made people curious, especially when the trailer is

800
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.480
not like about a you know, a fourteen year old

801
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.039
kid trying to figure out how to shave.

802
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.360
Wait a second, but like, yeah, no, I.

803
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.519
Mean, creep is a way better title, especially because they

804
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:35.960
were really pushing it as a horror thing. But you

805
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.320
gotta remember it was I mean, these are comedy people,

806
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.440
people known much more for comedies and humor and drama,

807
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.679
and now all of a sudden, they're doing this horror movie,

808
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.320
which was one of the earliest steps in that becoming

809
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.000
a pretty common movement. I mean, you had the guy

810
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.119
from Whitest Kids, you know, making Barbarian and weapons. There's

811
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.440
a new horror movie coming out with Samaraw Weaving and

812
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.800
I can't think of his name right, Jason Jason Siegel.

813
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.760
That is a remake of a Polish movie I really

814
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.480
really liked, called The Trip, but I forget what they

815
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.639
they The title is like over My Dead Body or

816
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.199
over your dead Body, I think, But it's directed by

817
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.599
a comedy person. I think that's becoming the new like

818
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:24.039
cool move Okay is to is to do that basically

819
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.920
from comedy. Horror is to hand a horror property to

820
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.400
a person who does a lot of comedy. Yeah, I

821
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.440
think they're thinking like, oh, this will be Peter. And

822
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.000
don't get me wrong, probably, I mean probably do a

823
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.880
really good job. I'm just saying like I think it's

824
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.239
becoming like, oh, this is how we should you know,

825
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.079
this is how we should we should play it.

826
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:42.800
This is the move now.

827
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.039
Yeah, this is how we we hit that Peter is

828
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.360
it's over your dead body. I just saw the trailer

829
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.679
for the first time of the yesterday. Oh okay, yeah,

830
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:56.639
it's Jorma Taccone. Oh yeah, it's literally the guy from

831
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.960
the Lonely Island that did mcgruber and pop Star Never Stopped,

832
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:07.360
Never Stopping. So major comedy comedy person. So and it

833
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.840
I mean it has funny stuff in it for sure,

834
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:12.719
and the original the I think it was polish. That

835
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.280
original movie was had some funny stuff in it too,

836
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.760
but it's also just a wacky movie anyway. But but yeah,

837
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.239
so this is the early stuff. Sorry.

838
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.159
Oh I was just I was thinking about it, and

839
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.119
I was like, why would that make sense to go

840
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.519
from comedy to horror? And then I was thinking about it, it

841
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.280
was like, well they're both all about timing.

842
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.880
Yeah, so that kind of that's true. I think I

843
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.079
think in some ways comedy is harder than horror, to

844
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:43.159
be honest, not always, but often, I think that if

845
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.559
I had to guess, most comedy directors don't want to

846
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.800
be pigeonholed as comedy directors because you know, what you're

847
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:54.119
not seeing is is like traditionally horror directors being handed

848
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.559
rom coms or right or you know, million dollar baby

849
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:05.920
style bio picks. So it's not going both ways because horror,

850
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.840
that's a that's a tricky thing, and you brought up

851
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.559
something now and you shouldn't have no but horror. And

852
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.320
I think I've heard this sad, but horror is kind

853
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.880
of like a ghetto for filmmakers. Okay, yeah, in the mainstream,

854
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.159
I mean, because I mean I can do whatever I want,

855
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.000
because I can just do whatever I want. But like

856
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.320
to an extent, but like if you're in the mainstream

857
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.960
where you're like, you know, making movies for five million,

858
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.960
ten million, twenty million dollars, very few people go horror

859
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.960
to other stuff. It's very rare and it doesn't happen

860
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.599
a lot. Wes Craven fought forever to do it, and

861
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.960
he had the one film Music of the Heart, which

862
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.039
was very, very good, and never again was he given

863
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.519
anything outside of the thriller and horror genre.

864
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:49.599
Damn so.

865
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.039
But but you hear the opposite. You hear people go

866
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.920
into the horror genre a lot, especially lately, and it's

867
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.400
a fun playground. I've always said that the reason horror

868
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.960
is appealing is because horror generally has all the aspects

869
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:10.079
at once. It has suspense, it has humor, it has

870
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.199
you know, it can have a love story. It has drama,

871
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.639
lots of drama too. It really does everything all at once,

872
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.920
so you can paint with like every brush in your toolkit. Yeah,

873
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.039
and I think that's why people get attracted to it. Then,

874
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.360
because people love horror movies. I mean not just the audience,

875
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.800
I mean like the directors. I'm sure they all like

876
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.400
horror movies, because who doesn't like horror movies. I mean,

877
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.559
in Pop Star Never Stopped, Never Stopping, they reference the

878
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.800
movie Flatliners from nineteen ninety two or whatever with a

879
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.960
key for Sutherland, So clearly they're they're horror movie nerds.

880
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.760
Because I thought I was the only person me and

881
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.119
Dave who knew about flat Liners. So but that was

882
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.320
quite a digression. But I think that. I mean, I

883
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.800
think that if I had to, like really pigeonhole, like

884
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.719
why I think they're doing it. It's to bring fresh

885
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.679
voices to the genre because it's a genre I think

886
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.280
because of what I said about it being kind of

887
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.800
like the ghetto for for filmmakers, like you're kind of

888
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.199
stuck there, you know, that's where you exist. I think

889
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.519
that that also, and it's not the filmmaker's faults. I

890
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.719
think it kind of causes a stagnation sometimes. Absolutely, it's

891
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.039
the same voices over and over again. M h. I mean,

892
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.199
oh god, we skipped the biggest one, Jordan Peel, oh

893
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.639
oh yeah, from like the funny guy from Key and

894
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:30.400
Peel to the guy who may get out.

895
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.880
Yeah yeah, like to like the horror darling.

896
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.519
Yeah, and for a good while, I mean, and then

897
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.960
the Halloween trilogy is David Gordon Green, the guy who

898
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.440
made his entire career from doing most mostly comedy, he

899
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.480
did dramas as well. He's very well rounded. I'll give

900
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.760
him that. Yeah, but like I don't know, I said,

901
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.320
I'll give him that. I'm like a huge fan. But

902
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.960
so I think that that's just kind of worth mentioning

903
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.960
because Duplas is kind of known for that that indeed

904
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:05.239
Darling drama comedy space, but he's really I think of

905
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.079
everything he's made air quotes on his own, I mean

906
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.199
with you know, with creative people, but he's kind of

907
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.920
at the helm. This is probably his biggest like as

908
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.199
far as a fandom like people, He's had some hits

909
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.119
and stuff, but I don't think people are like hanging

910
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.360
out talking about them. I don't think you know, Shutter

911
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.239
is doing a TV series based on them, you know, yeah,

912
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.199
but horror is weird like that because the fandom is

913
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.639
much more intense. In horror, you know, there aren't conventions.

914
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.719
There are science fiction conventions and horror conventions, and they're

915
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.880
they're testing the waters. They've made a couple of those.

916
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.360
I don't know, I've seen those Christmas movie conventions. I

917
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.000
think testing it and I think in Jersey they did

918
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.000
a couple of them where they've gotten a bunch of

919
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.400
the people who've been in a bunch of those to

920
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:50.079
like a peer, and I think that's awesome and they

921
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.440
should do that. I would go to a rom com convention.

922
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.039
I love rom com, but I don't know exactly who

923
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.440
you would have a peer there, but I would I

924
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.840
would totally go point is yeah, but horror, it's it's

925
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.639
a different realm. You know, I have a very mixed

926
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:09.199
relationship with horror because I think that deserves plenty of criticism,

927
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.360
but I love it. In fact, that's the only reason

928
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.519
I have criticisms, because I sit and think about it.

929
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:16.440
Well, I was going to say, like, we can really

930
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.159
only criticize the things, or we can't give honest criticism

931
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.280
unless we truly love something.

932
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:30.039
Whoa whoa whoa honest criticism. That is quite a modifier there. Well,

933
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.519
we'll take a quick break and we'll find more awkward

934
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.679
stuff and get me to stop pontificating right after.

935
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:51.320
This, so the guys decide to go out enjoy nature,

936
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:57.800
take a nice hike, and once again, things get pretty

937
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.280
awkward pretty fast.

938
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:05.199
Maybe if that's what you think awkward is, I guess because.

939
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:12.599
You know they're walking arong, walking along around around, that's terrible.

940
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:17.119
I know it's awful. They're they're they're walking down the

941
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:23.760
trail and Aaron's filming and Joseph just darts off into

942
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:29.039
the woods, just bounds behind some trees, up a hill

943
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:35.480
and down a cove and he's gone and Aaron is

944
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:39.559
just standing there like uh what, and he's like calling

945
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.119
out he doesn't know where they are or how to

946
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.239
get back, and he's you know, kind of wandering and

947
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.079
then Joseph you know, appears behind him, scares him like

948
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.760
within an inch of his life, and and Aaron like

949
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.360
kind of gets really defensive afterwards, like screams and like

950
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.079
is about right to clock in.

951
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.039
And it's one of my favorite moments because when he

952
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:11.000
reacts and he's scared Joseph, Joseph so I wanted to

953
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.760
just say creep. He he like, you know, when he

954
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.159
sees him, he goes like, oh man, you should have

955
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.559
seen your face. He's like, I mean, yeah, you look scared,

956
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.360
but like for a minute, for a second there, you

957
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:20.880
look like you just wanted to kill me.

958
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:22.320
Yeah.

959
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.840
And this is another way that he endears himself too.

960
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.480
He's like, look, you want to kill me. He's like no, no,

961
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.320
He's like, it's okay to like want to. That's a

962
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.000
natural reaction when you're startled for a second, you know,

963
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.280
when you're upset for a brief second, it's not like

964
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.119
you were going to do it. And all I said

965
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.719
was like, that's actually a really good way to endear

966
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.199
yourself to something like to make them, to make them

967
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.239
feel like you like them and they should trust you.

968
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.760
I also want to mention, I mean I've worked with

969
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.800
people who just dart off into the goddamn woods. People

970
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.039
are weird. People are so weird on Boggy Creek that

971
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.320
one actress just kept wandering.

972
00:54:57.800 --> 00:54:58.760
It was so bad.

973
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.639
We had to like keep like you had to put

974
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.840
a bell on her or something because she would. It

975
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:04.880
was just we'd turn to face one direction of the

976
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.239
tree line to film and she would just wander, just

977
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.599
walk away. They'd be like, what where did she go?

978
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.920
Like we were gonna she's still working, Like it's not

979
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.760
like Chrussie is not over. We just took a second

980
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.800
for something else.

981
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.000
And just hear her voice from the distance. I found

982
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.079
this plan over here.

983
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.920
She here's the call of the wild anyway. But no,

984
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.280
So I mean, like, yeah, I've dealt with that, like

985
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.000
people just kind of dart away. But this is a

986
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.079
great one, you're right, like and a great example of

987
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.320
him trying to endear himself and ingratiate himself and in

988
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.119
that way. So this is the thing because at first,

989
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:44.599
when we were talking about this, I did not like

990
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:49.360
the idea of calling him charming. I don't know if

991
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.440
he's actively charming though, I don't know if that's something

992
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.599
or if that's something you can only identify from the outside. Okay,

993
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.840
I guess it depends on how you defy and charm

994
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.960
because like, to me, charming isn't like they grow on you,

995
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.400
although maybe that is charm, I.

996
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.119
Don't know to see to me, like charm to me doesn't.

997
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.480
There's a difference between someone who is innately a charming

998
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.719
person and has like a charming personality. That would be like,

999
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:26.119
you know, like your local news broadcaster who's like always

1000
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:27.800
got a smile and everyone wants to talk to him,

1001
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.840
blah blah blah. But there are some people that naturally

1002
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.239
disarm you with their charm, And I think that's where

1003
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:38.280
Joseph is, where like once he once he like gets

1004
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.960
his claws on you, he does start to grow on

1005
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.840
you because he will keep pushing and finding any way

1006
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.800
he can to get you to let your guard down.

1007
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:52.840
Yeah. Well, and the other thing is when he shares

1008
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.039
things he shares he'll share like dark things or disturbing things.

1009
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:01.239
They're almost all stolen from yeah from movie. In fact,

1010
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.519
the whole concept of making a film for Buddy is

1011
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.239
from the movie My Life with Michael Keaton in nineteen

1012
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.920
ninety three. He even says that, yeah, so like and

1013
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.000
in the Creep Tape series, I mean, at one point

1014
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.800
he literally is reciting a scene from Forrest Gump as

1015
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.320
if it's his own childhood and it actually seems like

1016
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.679
he doesn't know, although that could also be part of

1017
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.559
his game. So he's got a lot going on, you know,

1018
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:27.400
as far as that, And I guess I was kind

1019
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.199
of maybe I was getting hooked on the difference between

1020
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.440
charm and cat and charisma. Yeah, but even then, I'm

1021
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.719
not sure. I mean, but he's definitely he's certainly disarming,

1022
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:44.400
and he's definitely he understands people, yes, very much. Yeah,

1023
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:50.320
which is fascinating because he may not have emotions. Hard

1024
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:54.800
to really gauge that one. So but yeah, so he

1025
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.000
scares the hell out of him, gets him upset for

1026
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:02.320
a second, and then they go to have some food.

1027
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:09.440
And this one is really interesting because he's mentioned he says,

1028
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.039
like a place my family loves to go. He keeps

1029
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.719
referencing having a family, He keeps referencing like they have

1030
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.880
this vacation house because that's where they're filming at. It's

1031
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:18.760
a place with you know, lots of memories of all

1032
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.000
kinds of fun, family, YadA yadas. When to me, it's

1033
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:27.599
almost it's pretty painfully obvious that's a rental house. I

1034
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:29.480
mean because at one point, remember when the paintings, he

1035
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.559
just starts saying, like, my dad and I painted these paintings,

1036
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.480
and then the most average middle of the road. Nothing

1037
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.000
against paintings that end up hung in places, but like

1038
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.039
in public places, are in like rental places, but like,

1039
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:45.920
you don't hang challenging artwork on a space that's meant

1040
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.559
to be inviting for everybody. You just don't, you know,

1041
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.320
So because I've heard people like Riff about like hotel

1042
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.000
artwork and stuff, it's like, well, you know, it's meant

1043
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.280
for literally everybody. So yeah, it's going to be like

1044
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.360
a barn, a painted barn, or it's going to be

1045
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.079
you know, like a doggie or something.

1046
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:06.840
You know, it's going to be as non denominational, non confrontation.

1047
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:08.679
You can possibly get.

1048
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.800
What you want, like you know, some kind of like

1049
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.519
a depiction of like the the bringing burnings of the

1050
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.519
you know, the cotton crowd, you know, the cotton fields

1051
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.119
and civil war, like, no, people are here to relax,

1052
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.039
you know, like this is the one time they're not

1053
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:27.199
going to worry about all that stuff. So I thought

1054
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.119
that was really interesting. So they get to that restaurant

1055
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.960
and when he asks, like, you know, he asks him,

1056
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.480
like what's good there? He doesn't know? Yeah, he like

1057
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.119
he doesn't really know, and he's like, I thought it's

1058
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.960
your favorite places, Like, oh yeah, it's just the menus.

1059
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.440
Change change the menu so that he.

1060
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.920
Orders the the pancakes, which he claims are like they're

1061
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:48.320
famous for him. So that's a great scene where it

1062
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.400
kind of like shows you, it shows you a little

1063
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:57.400
bit more. But here's the thing. We could still call

1064
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.760
most of the lies and things. We could still call

1065
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.920
them all him trying to get this person to like

1066
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:09.480
him or to think he's something. He's not rich, wealthy,

1067
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:13.679
you know, well off family loved. That's why the movie

1068
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.960
on the first viewing is so creepy to me is

1069
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:21.480
because of that, is because you wonder, like, does he

1070
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:26.119
just want this guy to think he's something he's not? Yeah,

1071
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:31.480
not necessarily not think he's not a killer, but maybe

1072
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.320
he just wants him to believe he's rich, or wants

1073
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.320
him to believe he has a happy family. He wants

1074
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.519
him to believe all these things because some people, especially

1075
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:41.760
you know who, especially in the movie business. By the way,

1076
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.199
my buddy John used to say that the worst part

1077
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.039
about independent movie networking spaces was you'd meet some really

1078
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.199
cool people. Well, then you meet people who just want

1079
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.480
to stand in your space and convince you to share

1080
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.760
in their delusion for forty minutes. If JOHNA liked that

1081
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.039
I said that publicly, I feel like he said it publicly.

1082
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:07.159
It's fine, it's fine, but but that's that's also true though,

1083
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:11.239
Like I have heard horror stories of dealing with investors

1084
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:14.679
on movies. I did air quotes in movies who it

1085
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.039
turns out they have zero money. Oh, it's like they

1086
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:20.559
just wanted to have the meetings with the person and

1087
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.519
get to look like this way they want to feel important,

1088
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.000
and then it falls apart and it's like, hey, what happened?

1089
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:28.960
Like I don't know, you know, and then you're like,

1090
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.760
are you're an asshole? You know? Like, but it's like

1091
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.039
they don't care because they got that little charge they wanted.

1092
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.719
And I think that's what I kind of am getting

1093
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.400
from this. Before we know that he's just a you know,

1094
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.480
he's a killer. Yeah, But before we find that out,

1095
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.840
I feel like that is the big thing is we're

1096
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.760
just like, Okay, this guy's clearly insecure. He's clearly like

1097
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:50.440
lying about some stuff.

1098
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:52.679
Mm hm oh no, clearly.

1099
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:54.719
We also get the sense right from the beginning that

1100
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.440
he clearly is a frustrated actor type, yes, which I

1101
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.760
think do plus is definitely pulling from many of his

1102
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:08.559
friends and colleagues and acquaintances throughout his life on that one. Yeah,

1103
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:11.199
but we'll take a quick break and see just how

1104
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.199
far you can push awkward before something breaks.

1105
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:32.559
Right after this, while the guys are finishing up their

1106
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:38.320
lunch at the restaurant, Joseph wants to dig a little

1107
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:42.000
bit deeper and he asks Aarin. He kind of like

1108
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.119
grabs the camera and turns it around on Erin and

1109
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.119
he asks Aarin. He says he wants him to be

1110
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:53.639
vulnerable and he wants to know if there's anything that

1111
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:58.960
he's deeply ashamed of. And Aaron kind of thinks about

1112
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.880
it and then explains that he was a bed wetter,

1113
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:07.039
and he was a bed wetter like way late into

1114
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.159
his childhood, later than he should have so his mom

1115
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.639
got this like device alarm device that would like ring

1116
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:16.960
and buzz really loud when he wet the bed.

1117
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.360
Which I love that because I have a device like

1118
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:24.400
that next to my heating and cooling system. It literally

1119
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.320
has a little battery on it and if the if

1120
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.360
the floor it's touching gets wet, it goes. Yeah, And

1121
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.679
I just I don't know what, how how does that help?

1122
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.079
I don't kid peeing themselves like they would know they

1123
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.599
peed themselves. I guess it's because they were hiding it

1124
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.519
from the parents or something. I don't know.

1125
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.000
I don't I don't know, Like maybe it's supposed to

1126
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:50.800
like scare him or EMBARRASSM. Yeah, like EMBARRASSM, which it

1127
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.599
apparently does work because the alarm kind of like went

1128
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.559
off in a public place at one point and it

1129
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.199
like really super embarrassed him. And that's like the thing

1130
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.400
that he's been carrying around deep in his psyche his

1131
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:04.880
whole life.

1132
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.599
You think the puddle on your crotch would embarrass you enough,

1133
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:08.760
but I'm not a doctor.

1134
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:11.519
No, it's the alarm.

1135
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.679
The alarm made it worse, that's what does it.

1136
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:21.400
So now it's Joseph's turn and instead of like saying anything.

1137
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:25.440
He just looks like really sheepish, like a kid that

1138
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.880
got their hand caught in the cookie jar. And he

1139
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:35.079
pulls out his phone and starts showing off pictures of

1140
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:40.639
Aaron at the house when he first got there, right,

1141
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:44.360
making a phone call, trying to get in contact with Joseph.

1142
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:49.440
Yeah, they're clearly oh what's the word. I was gonna say, incognito,

1143
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.119
but I don't think that's the right term. But like, yeah,

1144
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.000
they're clearly being taken from like a vantage point where

1145
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:55.880
he can't see they're candid for sure.

1146
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:02.159
Candied. Yeah, so Aaron, it looks a little upset, but

1147
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:06.159
not like super upset. But Joseph does explain. He's like, look,

1148
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.559
I was just really nervous about meeting you, and I

1149
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.400
just kind of had this feeling like maybe if I

1150
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:16.800
got to know you before you got to know me,

1151
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:21.280
then I would feel more comfortable. And I'm so sorry

1152
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.000
that I did this, but like this is you know,

1153
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:31.320
this is me coming clean weird. Sure, but you know,

1154
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.000
Aaron kind of lets it slide. They get back to

1155
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.679
the house. It's dark, you know, and again, this house

1156
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:40.800
is on a huge steep hill, so they've got to

1157
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.559
walk up like these these really tall steep steps. And

1158
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:47.679
I love this scene because there's like a porch light,

1159
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:51.760
so Joseph is totally backlit walking up the stairs, and

1160
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:58.920
it really is amplifying the spooky very well. And he

1161
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:03.400
invites it's Aaron, and Aaron's making excuses like now I

1162
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.920
gotta go, like it's getting late.

1163
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.920
Well, it's it's nighttime, without a doubt. And this is

1164
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.159
a thing when you do for higher videography is like

1165
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.159
and and somebody doesn't have like a solid concept of

1166
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.320
what you're doing. Is all of a sudden, you're like,

1167
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:21.679
you know, I I generally when you're booked, you're booked

1168
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:25.159
for an amount of time, like a day is twelve

1169
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:28.280
hours or what have you. So he's definitely like I

1170
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.199
think we're good, like like we got it all. Yeah,

1171
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:32.679
what he says, we got it all. All I could

1172
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.519
think was like, what does he mean? I mean, like,

1173
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.639
I guess he's gonna go edit this together and it'll

1174
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.360
be fine, I guess. But like they didn't really make

1175
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:41.920
an ending or anything. I don't know, but I mean,

1176
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.639
you know, it's not supposed to be something super duper professional.

1177
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.480
So but yeah, he's trying to leave and This is

1178
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:54.039
where Creep is brilliant because by showing him those pictures

1179
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.920
of him watching him when they met, he's showing his

1180
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:03.920
hand that like he's orchestrating, but by showing that hand,

1181
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.239
he's endearing himself by admitting like, oh, you know, sometimes

1182
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.519
when I'm insecure, I just try to like I try

1183
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:11.679
to like control everything or like do you know whatever?

1184
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:16.199
But in reality, I mean it's it's way worse than that.

1185
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:18.239
But you're gonna but you'll start to feel like, oh, well,

1186
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.719
we all have our weird quirks, and in a moment,

1187
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.599
I'll explain like what I what I've what I've realized

1188
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.400
is probably my favorite element of what he does with

1189
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:32.280
that character always. But so he basically tells him like,

1190
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.760
we gotta have a whiskey. I think that was that. Yeah,

1191
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.360
that's what he says, like before you go, we gotta

1192
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.079
have a whiskey. He's like, ah, I got a long drive.

1193
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.719
He's like, just one whiskey, you know, come on. So

1194
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.559
he agrees to do it. I think he even says

1195
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.239
like he does like whiskey or something like that. So

1196
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:52.039
they're they're chatting and hanging out right and drinking their whiskey,

1197
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.599
and is this I believe this is the part where

1198
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.079
then he tells him like he has something he wanted

1199
01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.400
to that he wants to admit to him, which is

1200
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:03.920
that he's because they start talking about their their lives

1201
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.320
and stuff, and he mentions like, you know, do you

1202
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:07.519
have money problems? Because he kind of says a few

1203
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.519
things and he's like, no, there's nothing. There's nothing embarrassing,

1204
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.440
like people have money problems. It's a thing that happens.

1205
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:17.960
Like don't feel guilty or don't feel shamed people have

1206
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:19.920
money problems. He's like, it took me a long time

1207
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:21.640
when I was your age, you know, I didn't have

1208
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.399
much at all. And then he's like, but I've you know,

1209
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:26.319
done really well for myself. And then he starts this

1210
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:30.399
whole thing about I want to give you a large

1211
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.720
sum of money to help you out. And this is

1212
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.199
the part that I think I actually kind of wish

1213
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:40.359
they had they had went harder into it, because this

1214
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.560
is a brilliant part because I can tell you as

1215
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.199
a videographer and stuff, sometimes you get hired by really

1216
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:54.119
rich people, I mean super wealthy people, and there is

1217
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.199
kind of especially when you're like really young and struggling.

1218
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.079
There is this thought like, what if they just handed

1219
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:02.119
me for fun, they could hand me an amount of

1220
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:04.520
money that would change my life for fun. Yeah, they

1221
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:10.840
could do that. So that really preys on an element heavily.

1222
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:14.039
And if he's been doing videos for a long time,

1223
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.319
if he's been doing hired out videos for a long time,

1224
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.479
he probably has met a lot of super rich, wealthy

1225
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:24.479
people that he's filmed, and he's probably wondered, like, I

1226
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:25.920
wonder if any of these guys would ever like if

1227
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:27.800
I became friends with them, if they'd never helped me out.

1228
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.760
So I feel like it's a brilliant move to like

1229
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:35.359
kind of keep him pacified, you know, to keep him

1230
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.680
around a little bit longer, saying you know, I want

1231
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.359
to give you a bunch of money, and he says

1232
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:42.359
like no, because of course the immediately he's like no, no,

1233
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.479
no way. And then he's like, but I want to

1234
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.239
do this and it would be nothing to me, but

1235
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.800
it could really make a difference for you. So he

1236
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.720
kind of gets him, gets him on the hook with that.

1237
01:09:55.960 --> 01:10:01.960
But the next left turn he's a to throw is

1238
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:07.039
next level and we'll talk about it right after this.

1239
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:26.239
So they've got this you know, I guess arrangement. It's

1240
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.880
not really discussed further. But Joseph, you know, has mentioned

1241
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.880
he wants to give Aaron a lot of money. Erin

1242
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:39.600
still kind of like wants to get going, and Joseph's like, no, no, no, no,

1243
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.560
I've got one more confession. But this one's not for

1244
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.000
the baby, So stop recording. This is just between you

1245
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.159
and me. I just something I need to get off

1246
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:52.880
my chest. But Aaron doesn't necessarily stop recording. He just

1247
01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:55.800
you know, like flips the camera so that you can

1248
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.239
still hear everything, you just kind of only see like

1249
01:10:58.359 --> 01:10:59.119
his shirt.

1250
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:00.640
Yeah, and.

1251
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.680
That's when Joseph starts talking about a few years back

1252
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:13.760
at home, their internet started getting really really slow, which

1253
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:18.239
led him to look on the computer and he found

1254
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.439
a whole bunch of porn. But it's not just porn,

1255
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:27.880
it's beastiality porn. And the thing is the only people

1256
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:32.560
in his home are either him or his wife, and

1257
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.000
he's not the one looking up all this porn, so

1258
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:39.199
it's got to be her. But he doesn't really do

1259
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:45.159
much about it. He just goes about his life and

1260
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:49.359
then he confronts her about it, but she just kind

1261
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:53.560
of brushes it off. So he decides to take her

1262
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:59.720
on a vacation to this vacation house, and one evening

1263
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:05.119
he sneaks out of the house and he goes to

1264
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:10.359
a little store and he finds a mask, the Peach

1265
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:11.039
fuzz mask.

1266
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:14.000
Right, so he's revealing that he lied about the origin

1267
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:14.800
of Peach fuzz.

1268
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:21.600
Okay, but it gets so much worse because he takes

1269
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.319
the peach fuzz mask, puts it on, sneaks back home,

1270
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.159
breaks or sneaks back to you know, the vacation home,

1271
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:34.359
breaks into the house, and then in the mask rapes

1272
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:38.560
his wife and then just sneaks back off into the

1273
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.399
dead of night and comes back as you know himself

1274
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.079
the next day. But she never says anything. She never

1275
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:50.680
says like, oh, this happens, but all the beastiality porn

1276
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.600
disappears and the Internet goes back to regular speed, and

1277
01:12:55.840 --> 01:13:00.720
so he just assumes that this this is the end

1278
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.680
of that chapter. But he can't get rid of the

1279
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.239
Peach fuzz mask now because this is kind of like

1280
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:12.039
a part of him. And so this is you know,

1281
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.479
like the conclusion of the video, and Joseph says like, Okay,

1282
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:22.319
that's that's my final confession. And Erin now being way

1283
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:26.880
more uncomfortable than he was before. He's like, okay, well

1284
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:29.439
we're done. I'm gonna edit this together. But where are

1285
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.760
my keys? I can't find my keys? And as he's

1286
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.159
looking for the keys, Joseph points out, i'd actually I

1287
01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.000
thought of something that I didn't quite like before. Can

1288
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.960
we get one more take? And Aaron's just too freaked out,

1289
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.880
but Joseph says, like, you've got to stay. You had

1290
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:56.760
a drink. Aarin doesn't necessarily like this, and he puts

1291
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.079
the camera down and he's like, you know what, You're right,

1292
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.880
let's have another since I'm staying, and he kind of

1293
01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:06.439
walks off and he and Joseph are talking and Joseph's like,

1294
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.479
I'm glad you chose to say stay. And we see

1295
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.000
Aaron preparing the drinks and we see him drop something

1296
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:14.199
into one of the cups.

1297
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.000
I thought he ground up. Yeah, he ground up benadryl.

1298
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:22.319
Okay, that's like you do see him like doing something

1299
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:22.960
actually yeah?

1300
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:23.159
Yeah?

1301
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:26.279
And you see powder going in the in the drink. Uh.

1302
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.640
So he he gives the drink to Joseph and Joseph

1303
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.960
is like, okay, we've gotta we gotta do this final take,

1304
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:37.079
but he keeps fumbling over his words, and as he's

1305
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:40.159
like sipping the drink, he's like, huh, does something taste funny.

1306
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.399
Cut to later and Joseph is passed out on the couch.

1307
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:50.720
Aaron's you know, filming him and uh. He he watches

1308
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.079
Joseph for a little while just to make sure he's asleep,

1309
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:58.640
and then he he goes around trying to find his keys,

1310
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:03.520
but joseph phone gets a call, so Aaron grabs it,

1311
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.960
ducks into the bathroom, answers the phone, and it's a woman.

1312
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:13.439
She says her name is Angela, and he starts talking

1313
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:17.199
to her. It says, you know, I'm here at this

1314
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:22.359
vacation home. This is the address, and I've just been

1315
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.840
talking with Joseph about his video. And she's like, Joseph,

1316
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:32.319
you've been like gets really upset and says, I don't

1317
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.680
know anything about that house, but my brother's like seriously

1318
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.800
messed up in the head. You need to get away.

1319
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.439
Yeah. She doesn't just say like yeah, she's He's like,

1320
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:43.000
I don't know where he keeyes her. She's like, just

1321
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.680
walk out the front door and just leave. Like her

1322
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:50.640
whole argument is just to leave entirely, doesn't matter how

1323
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.439
just walk outside and get away from that. Just just go.

1324
01:15:55.840 --> 01:16:01.560
So the call breaks up and he takes that to heart.

1325
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.640
But when he goes out, you know, back out of

1326
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:11.119
the bathroom, Joseph's gone. So Aaron's kind of like sneaking around.

1327
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.319
He notices that the back door is a jar, and

1328
01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:17.119
he flips on a switch, goes out there and Jaseph.

1329
01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.880
Joseph sneaks up on him, gets another jump, scare in

1330
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:28.079
and starts kind of like babbling. I wouldn't say incoherently,

1331
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:30.079
but he says, you know it's coming, There's nothing that

1332
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.199
we can do, and the time is going to end,

1333
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.680
and he's he's crying, saying he doesn't want to die,

1334
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:40.319
and Aaron's just trying to calm him down, says, I

1335
01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:45.000
know what's going on, and I'm not mad. I'm not

1336
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.119
mad at you. I just want to help, and you've

1337
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.960
got to give me my keys so that I can help.

1338
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.439
But he makes a mistake when he says that he

1339
01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:01.880
talked to Angela, and that sparks Joseph and he bolts inside,

1340
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:07.119
runs downstairs. Aaron follows after him, and when he gets inside,

1341
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:11.800
Joseph's wearing the peach fuzz mask blocking the front door.

1342
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:17.119
So Aaron once again tries to reason with him and

1343
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:23.800
then kind of tussles with him, and the screen goes black,

1344
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:29.960
and then it's outside. It's daytime. We see Joseph dragging

1345
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:34.920
three trash bags into frame and start digging, and then

1346
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:36.239
the footage stops.

1347
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:41.279
And the next reveal is a bit surprising, but we'll

1348
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:41.880
talk about that.

1349
01:17:42.239 --> 01:18:00.960
Right after this, Aaron's filming the footage that he just

1350
01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:05.399
got and he explains that he fought with Joseph, he

1351
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.039
got away, he managed to get back home, got his

1352
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.520
car towed, and he thought that was that. But then

1353
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:18.239
he got this footage, which means that Joseph knows where

1354
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:25.920
he lives. And it's like, I've always wondered why he didn't,

1355
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.760
like immediately go to the police. He does eventually try

1356
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.199
to talk to the police, but I don't know, Like

1357
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.439
if it was me, if I got a video from

1358
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:38.079
someone who was not supposed to know where I lived,

1359
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.399
and I got something delivered to where I lived, I

1360
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.159
would be pretty concerned. Yeah, I wouldn't say so, I

1361
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:50.920
would have I would have escalated much sooner. But he doesn't.

1362
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.760
He's just like I'm gonna pretend this never happened. And

1363
01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:58.359
you know, we we follow him throughout his life a

1364
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.119
little bit and he'll he's talking about like how he

1365
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:02.720
can't get this out of his head. He's had like

1366
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:07.279
having dreams about Joseph, really weird dreams about you know.

1367
01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:10.119
He's a baby and Joseph's holding him and they're both

1368
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:11.000
wearing masks.

1369
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:14.800
Yeah, and his is like a baby dog or a wolf.

1370
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.039
Yeah, like a baby wolf mask, which is the kind

1371
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:24.119
of shit that shows up in dreams. Then he gets

1372
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:31.800
another package and when he brings it inside, he opens it.

1373
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:37.760
There's a knife and another disk, and on the disc

1374
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:41.000
is another video of Joseph and he says, you know what,

1375
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:44.880
I'm sorry for the last video. I'm sorry for that.

1376
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:47.800
That was a little bit too much. But don't worry.

1377
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.199
There's a third item in the box. Just take it

1378
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.800
out and stab it with the knife and you'll find

1379
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:57.840
my special gift for you. And he reaches in pulls

1380
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:02.000
out a little stuffed wolf and starts ripping it up,

1381
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:05.640
and Joseph tells him to rip it up, and Joseph

1382
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:09.199
explains on the video, he's like, I saw this and

1383
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.920
I don't know it just the little Wolf reminded me

1384
01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:17.119
of you, because it reminded me of how ferocious you

1385
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:19.920
were when I scared you in the woods. And he

1386
01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:23.439
starts explaining that you know, wolves love deeply, but they

1387
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.720
destroy everything that they love. And Aaron pulls out of

1388
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.560
the little wolf stuffed animal a locket with their pictures

1389
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:36.960
in it, and he is very, very upset by that,

1390
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:39.960
so he just throws it all away. He does finally

1391
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:44.079
call the cops, but since he doesn't have like a

1392
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:48.119
last name, all he really has is like the address,

1393
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.039
and he's not there anymore, Like they can't do much

1394
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:59.119
about it. Yeah, it's night and he's sleeping. There's a

1395
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:04.920
thud at his window and he looks up and there's

1396
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:11.079
like the screen on his windows busted, and there's another

1397
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:18.800
desk with another video and in that disk or in

1398
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.199
that video, Joseph explains he could understand throwing away the

1399
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:27.279
grave digging video because that was too much, and he

1400
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:31.920
even said so, but throwing away the locket and when

1401
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:34.720
he pulls or he in the video, he pulls it

1402
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.680
out of like the trash, it's like throwing away the locket.

1403
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:42.960
That hit hard, and said, you know, I started having

1404
01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:46.520
bad thoughts but then I had a realization, and my

1405
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:52.159
realization is we aren't actually friends. So I want to

1406
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:53.680
I want to make up to you. I want to

1407
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:59.239
explain the truth. And he begs for a chance to

1408
01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:03.800
meet up face to face so that he can explain himself.

1409
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:06.840
And he even says, like, we'll be in a public place,

1410
01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:12.920
it'll be safe, it'll be daytime, and I can just

1411
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:16.359
explain everything to you and we can go our separate ways.

1412
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:19.960
Aaron doesn't really know what to do, but then he

1413
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:23.640
decides to go through with it, so he records himself

1414
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:27.760
at the park, explains he's got his phone set on

1415
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.439
speed dial to nine one one, he's you know again,

1416
01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.880
he's filming. He sets up a camera filming a park bench.

1417
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:39.359
So he goes sits down on the bench and just

1418
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.560
kind of sits there, and then we see Joseph walk

1419
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:49.920
up and he stands kind of behind Aaron, just far

1420
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:52.439
enough behind him that like he wouldn't be able to

1421
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:58.000
see his shadow, puts on the peach fuzz mask, lifts

1422
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:03.560
up an axe and just drops it dead on his head. Yeah,

1423
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:10.119
and once again the footage just stops, well.

1424
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:13.920
It pauses, it fries, and then the camera pulls back

1425
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:19.359
and we see Joseph is filming the screen, which I

1426
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:23.359
thought was a cool reveal because that gag had been

1427
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:27.800
done earlier. And he basically goes on this whole thing

1428
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.960
about why didn't you ever look back? Why didn't you

1429
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:34.079
ever like, you know, worry that I you know that

1430
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:36.000
I was behind you or whatever, and he was like,

1431
01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:40.199
it's because you're the greatest person ever. I'm guessing he

1432
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:42.039
meant because he believed him.

1433
01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:47.800
I'm guessing yeah, he said, it's because you you trust people.

1434
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.880
Oh, yeah, that you trust people. That's what it was,

1435
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:53.920
which I thought was a pretty cool turn of events

1436
01:23:54.000 --> 01:24:00.279
because my theory about Joseph is that his favorite game

1437
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:06.039
is to throw you a startling curveball and then see

1438
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:08.920
if he can correct it. Mm hmm. I think that

1439
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:11.800
that is his biggest that's what he's into the most.

1440
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:16.960
Is just that is, you know, can I if I

1441
01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.800
say this to you as if it's true, can I

1442
01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:26.239
salvage the situation even after I say it. I think

1443
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:29.840
that's his like his favorite thing. Yeah, and it is.

1444
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.439
I mean it's a creative, challenging problem.

1445
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:33.319
Mhm.

1446
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:37.079
So I can see how that could be I guess

1447
01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:39.199
interesting to do.

1448
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:44.199
No, And if you think about it through the context

1449
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:49.479
of both the films and the TV series, you're dead right,

1450
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:53.920
because I believe it's in the second season, there's an

1451
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:58.079
episode where the person that he's getting ready to kill

1452
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:03.159
like completely does not get that he's in any danger whatsoever.

1453
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:07.760
Yeah, and it Saw the Saw episode where he's basically

1454
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:08.640
knocking off Saw.

1455
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:11.960
Like you that one's so good and he's so mad

1456
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.560
the entire time because the guy isn't taking his bait.

1457
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:17.159
So I think you're completely right.

1458
01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.159
Yeah, I mean, well, he definitely wants to get a reaction.

1459
01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:24.520
I just think that. Yeah, the the like, I honestly

1460
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:30.359
think that the Peach Fuzz thing was his like final attempt,

1461
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:33.520
you know, because he's thrown so many weird things his

1462
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:37.159
way and so many weird things. But this whole ridiculous

1463
01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.560
story about his wife, I mean you got to look

1464
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.359
at it, like think of it from like a building standpoint.

1465
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:47.920
When you're telling that story, it starts with beast reality porn,

1466
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:51.960
So that's already disturbed. Like, it's not like his wife

1467
01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:56.399
was watching BDSM or something. She's watching something that's legitimately

1468
01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:03.279
immoral and illegal. His response to it is to buy

1469
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:06.039
the mask, which reveals he's been lying this whole time

1470
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:13.520
and then sexually assault her in the mask. So now

1471
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:18.720
you've got there's layer. So now you've got he's been

1472
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:21.239
showing off the peach fuzz mask around the sky when

1473
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.239
it has a totally different context. Now that's completely not okay.

1474
01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:27.520
And then he also suggests that in some way that

1475
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:32.399
the rape helped his wife get over the beastiality thing.

1476
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.840
So see what I mean though, like every step is

1477
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:41.199
a problem, is not okay, is not comfortable, is not fine.

1478
01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.399
And I think that was his way of trying to

1479
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.920
escalate to see just how far can I push this

1480
01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.880
guy because I keep reeling him back in and pushing

1481
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:58.760
him and reeling him back in. So yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're.

1482
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:03.359
You're absolutely right. And that's why, you know, even even

1483
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:08.920
if the end of Creep one, you know, if you've

1484
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:11.560
seen it once, you kind of know how it's going

1485
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.720
to end, But it's still such an engaging film because

1486
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:22.960
the psychology behind Creep the Killer is so interesting and again,

1487
01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.319
like we were discussing, it kind of begs the question,

1488
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:30.159
what's the difference between charm and charisma? And how how

1489
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:34.520
can someone weaponize empathy? Because that's really what he does,

1490
01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:37.800
he weaponizes people's empathy against them.

1491
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:41.640
Yeah, I mean, without a doubt. I mean that's kind

1492
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:43.840
of like as weird as this is, is a a

1493
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:48.399
kind of a distant grip. But like Borat, which I

1494
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.640
know I showed you for the first time. For those

1495
01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:52.359
who've never seen Borat, I don't know what to tell you.

1496
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:55.159
That's weird. I've never seen bor At. But a lot

1497
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:59.840
of people said that Borat was about showing how like

1498
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.199
how awful the average American person was or whatever, because

1499
01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:06.960
you know, he'd be saying these terrible things and they

1500
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.039
just go along with it. And I got the complete opposite.

1501
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:14.960
To me, it was how how almost dangerously tolerant he

1502
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.319
will be to make somebody feel in America in particular,

1503
01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:21.000
to make somebody feel welcome, because he's saying these terrible

1504
01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.960
things that they just kind of well, all right, well.

1505
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.920
That's the way you believe them because.

1506
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:27.760
They want him to They don't want him to feel

1507
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:29.920
ostracized or insulted, or at least they don't want to

1508
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:31.960
do that in front of a camera. Because that's the

1509
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:33.800
other thing, too, is like there's a camera around, and

1510
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:38.079
people always act different in front of a camera. So uh.

1511
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:41.399
But and then of course the big thing after he

1512
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.760
says that is he says like you're my you know,

1513
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:47.439
you're my favorite, and he like puts it up on

1514
01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:53.000
the shelf and we see not only VHS tapes, there

1515
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:56.760
were some other tapes, beta tapes, DVDs. There were even

1516
01:28:56.760 --> 01:29:01.960
a couple of film canisters too, which I always wondered

1517
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:04.119
if they would do that on the Creep TV series,

1518
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.560
as like his hipster phase, like hiring somebody to shoot

1519
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:10.319
it on film. But that's a huge reveal, so we

1520
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:15.439
realized that this guy is a killer, and he's killed

1521
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:18.439
many many times before. It's a great reveal. It's a

1522
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:21.279
great horror movie ending, because you know, if there's no

1523
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:24.720
room for a sequel, then why even bother So but

1524
01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:28.439
I have a few thoughts about Creep, but we'll get

1525
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:29.840
into those right after this.

1526
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:47.439
Part of the reason that I like Creep so much

1527
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:53.439
is because it's not just about a serial killer. It's

1528
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:58.600
not just about murder. It's also about like trusting your

1529
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:04.479
gut and kind of asking the question like where is

1530
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:09.079
the line for you, Like at what point does politeness

1531
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:13.520
need to stop? Because that's kind of the question, especially

1532
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:16.520
on the second go through is like, if I were

1533
01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:21.359
in Aaron's position, at what point would I have noped out?

1534
01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:23.880
Do you think you have an answer?

1535
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:30.520
I probably I don't know, because they make him seem

1536
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:34.079
like pretty desperate for money, which I can, like, I

1537
01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:37.680
can totally empathize with. But to me, I think it

1538
01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:44.079
would have been like probably after the hike, the running

1539
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:46.399
off without me in the woods, that's like a big

1540
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.079
no no for me. I probably would have been like,

1541
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:53.479
I don't feel like getting dinner. I'm come up with

1542
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.720
some kind of excuse, like I've got a tummy ache

1543
01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:57.880
or something I need to get home.

1544
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:01.159
You wouldn't just feel like you were being judgmental.

1545
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:06.119
Uh no, because leaving someone alone in the woods like

1546
01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:07.800
is a huge safety concern.

1547
01:31:08.279 --> 01:31:09.680
Well, you weren't actually left alone.

1548
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:13.640
You were fair no see, And that's why the movie

1549
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:17.560
is so challenging, because you do start to get into

1550
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:22.840
that mindset of like justifying Joseph's actions, or not even

1551
01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:26.279
justifying them, but kind of like explaining away. So like

1552
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.720
you just did like, well, he didn't actually leave you

1553
01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.920
in the woods. Sure he didn't actually leave you stranded,

1554
01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:37.239
you weren't actually in any danger, but yeah, that was

1555
01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:40.000
that would be like, the biggest red flag for me

1556
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:42.920
is you don't you don't run off when someone doesn't

1557
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:44.600
know where they are in the woods.

1558
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.560
I may be just an old grumpy man, but I

1559
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:53.279
would have been gone after the bathroom. And maybe part

1560
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.720
of that's because, like I I like, I'm I'm almost forty.

1561
01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:00.680
I don't have time for this shit, like you know real, Like, yeah,

1562
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:04.239
I would have been like, hey, you know, if you

1563
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:08.079
don't warn me about something like that, that's that's that's

1564
01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.600
sort of a sexual harassment. So I'm not going to

1565
01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:14.119
call it that because you just did that. But I'm

1566
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.520
out of here, and if you would like to stop me,

1567
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.680
that is fine. Because this camera is an HVX one

1568
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:26.840
hundred A and it weighs fourteen pounds and without the battery,

1569
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.520
with the battery another five pounds. I didn't make any

1570
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.600
of that up. That's the camera they used, the HVX

1571
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:35.520
one hundred, which was the camera they thought would be

1572
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:40.680
king and it wasn't. And they shot most of the

1573
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:43.680
creep tapes episodes on it too. Oh really, I noticed

1574
01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.479
it in the like every time there was a window

1575
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:47.359
or something, because they're not hiding the camera because there's

1576
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:49.520
somebody operating it. Yeah, every time I saw it, I

1577
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:52.439
was like, HVX one hundred, there was this is a

1578
01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:55.319
very quick thing, but there was a a One of

1579
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.840
the first big revolutions in smaller movie making was the DVX,

1580
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:04.359
which was a Panasonic camera that shot on mini dv

1581
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:06.560
but it had twenty It shot in twenty four frames

1582
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:10.359
per second, and it looked substantially more filmic than most

1583
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:13.800
other cameras had ever looked before, and that kind of

1584
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:17.319
changed everything. Everybody wanted a DVX one hundred day. Everybody did.

1585
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:19.079
I even shot a movie on one. I never owned one,

1586
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:23.039
but I did do a movie on one once, and yeah,

1587
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:26.840
people thought, oh, well, then obviously the HD version of

1588
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:29.880
that will be the King, And it just didn't look

1589
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.399
that good because once the cameras that had interchangeable lenses

1590
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:35.600
and stuff came out, they just wiped the floor with

1591
01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:40.079
it immediately. I always, I literally, every time I see

1592
01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:41.800
that camera, I always say, and this is just a

1593
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.000
me thing. I always say, Ah, the camera that would

1594
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:48.560
be King. It did not become King. But that's just

1595
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:51.039
another you know, a filmmaking nerdiness that I think is

1596
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:54.520
on purpose, Like I'd almost guarantee that camera was laying around,

1597
01:33:54.560 --> 01:34:00.199
probably because Mark Duplas came from the mumblecore era. If

1598
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.399
you're familiar with mumble core, I don't think we've talked

1599
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:03.560
about it. I don't know if we have or not.

1600
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:06.880
It was an era of indie movies that were very

1601
01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:11.359
high on improv and very high on kind of I

1602
01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:16.680
don't know, being just super pathological. And it was a

1603
01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:19.840
whole movement, okay, basically because they took sun Dance by

1604
01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:21.960
storm and there was a whole group of those guys,

1605
01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:24.640
and then there was the group that they went by

1606
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.159
mumble Gore, which were like the guys who had done

1607
01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:29.279
that stuff and then went into horror, and you got

1608
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:31.359
a lot of people, I mean, like Adam Winguard who

1609
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:33.399
went on to do you know, Godzilla and stuff. He

1610
01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:38.039
was from the mumble Gore era. Joe Swanberg mumble Gore era,

1611
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:40.800
you know, he did a bunch of horror movies and

1612
01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.199
actually slowly transitioned to doing more dramas and comedies and

1613
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:48.319
stuff like that. So I'm sure I had a point,

1614
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:52.159
but I don't remember what it was. It was. Oh no,

1615
01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:55.520
Rachel's having that actually, Oh god, that meant I should

1616
01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:56.039
have been listening.

1617
01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.600
No nice, you were talking about the cameras and.

1618
01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:02.039
No, oh, I would almost guarantee because of what a

1619
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:06.199
serious game change of the DVX was that most of

1620
01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:08.680
those guys, if they had even two pennies to rub together,

1621
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:12.520
grab the HVX the moment came out and probably thought like, oh, yeah,

1622
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.439
let's go. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was

1623
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:17.119
the last camera a lot of them bought, because then

1624
01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:18.840
they moved on to movies where the cameras were so

1625
01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:22.560
expensive you rent them instead of buying. I'm just being honest.

1626
01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:24.960
I mean, yeah, because the HVX was probably like three

1627
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:29.000
grand or four grand, not crazy expensive, I mean with

1628
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.159
inflation a lot. But so my point is like I

1629
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:33.600
wouldn't be shocked that they were like, let's shoot a

1630
01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:34.840
movie and let's shoo it with this, because I just

1631
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:37.760
have it was sitting on the on the floor. And

1632
01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:41.079
also a side note, they probably also like it, yeah,

1633
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.359
because it was just the DVX, but it was an

1634
01:35:43.479 --> 01:35:48.039
HD and not good. So I worked on I didn't

1635
01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:49.880
direct it, but I worked on one movie that used

1636
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:53.000
the HVX, and I do remember even then thinking the

1637
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:57.039
footage is unremarkable. Oh, it wasn't bad looking, but yeah,

1638
01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:00.199
it was kind of unremarkable. Yeah, because like a year

1639
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.279
after it came out, all these DSLR interchangeable lends things

1640
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:06.399
came out and just like blew everybody's minds because everything

1641
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.479
looked like a feature film for real, for real. So

1642
01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:13.159
uh but so I was not trying to go off

1643
01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:16.039
on a tangent, but it's hard when it's filmmaking related.

1644
01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:21.600
I think that Creep is in many ways about making

1645
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:25.199
a movie. And I mean that from a thematic and

1646
01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:29.279
subtext standpoint. What do you do when you make a movie?

1647
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:32.199
You manipulate an audience. What do you do when you

1648
01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:38.319
tell any story? You manipulate an audience. Roger Ebert once

1649
01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:42.199
said that film is an empathy machine. That's all it

1650
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.279
does is it creates empathy and then you gobble it up.

1651
01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:50.319
And I believe that is incredibly true. I think that

1652
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:57.119
by having yourself filmed, he was creating a movie with

1653
01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:01.720
an unknowing collaborator. That's what he was creating a horror

1654
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:05.359
movie with an unknowing collaborator. And I think that I

1655
01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:08.600
think that's kind of what I get from it the most,

1656
01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:14.239
is how those collaborations can go awry and how some

1657
01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:21.159
people's styles are questionable morally, because that is true. I mean,

1658
01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:24.279
you hear these stories about directors who like slap people

1659
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.880
to I mean that with permission, but like slap people

1660
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.840
to like get them in the mindset or will play

1661
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:33.159
mind games. That's a really popular way is to crawl

1662
01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:35.359
into your actors' heads and kind of start moving the

1663
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.640
furniture around to get them to perform the way you want.

1664
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:41.199
I will say, because I've used some of those techniques

1665
01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:44.600
in the past. Sometimes they work really really well. They're

1666
01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:49.000
almost always done with full consent. Though, Oh yeah, tell

1667
01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:50.680
them like, I'm gonna work with you on this. Is

1668
01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:52.680
that all right? You don't just walk up to them

1669
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.239
and start saying like, gee, you look, you look stupid

1670
01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:58.199
because you're trying to get them to be psyched out.

1671
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:00.880
Yeah, because one is constructive. The other one is abuse.

1672
01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:06.239
I mean, according to Whiplash, abuse can be constructive.

1673
01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:09.560
But go on, no, uh man, that movie is so good.

1674
01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:11.119
But I'll tell you what. We're gonna take a quick

1675
01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:13.760
break and then I'm gonna I'm gonna do a deep dive.

1676
01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:17.439
Because it is related to creep into some of the

1677
01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:20.399
ways you manipulate the people you work with on a

1678
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:24.119
movie to get things done, especially in a found footage context,

1679
01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:26.199
because I have a ton of stories about that because

1680
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:27.199
I've done it a few times.

1681
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:28.399
Yeah, and I do.

1682
01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:31.359
But I this is not just a digression. I actually

1683
01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:33.479
think this is really pertinent to what we're talking about.

1684
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:48.399
Oh absolutely, But right after this, so when you're when

1685
01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:53.800
you're directing talent, especially because crew you can usually communicate

1686
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:59.119
to very directly because I don't know, like I've never

1687
01:38:59.239 --> 01:39:02.520
had to turn to a camera operator and like massage

1688
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:06.359
them to like nail nail it better, because I think

1689
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:10.159
it's more objective. Yeah, you know, like that shot wasn't

1690
01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:14.520
quite framed right. I mean, I guess you could massage

1691
01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.199
it in that you could be like, instead of saying

1692
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:18.199
like you didn't get what I want, you could go

1693
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:21.319
with like, let's try it this way, when in reality,

1694
01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:23.199
you're just trying to get the way that they missed up,

1695
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:25.800
they didn't do right the first few times. But that's

1696
01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.760
exactly how A deal with actors too. Yeah, So you

1697
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.600
have to with actors, you have to kind of find

1698
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:39.960
what their insecurities are and what they're what they're thinking about.

1699
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:41.439
You really have to kind of figure out what they're

1700
01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.680
thinking about. Like Joel Schumacher once said, and he was

1701
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.680
a famous director, I mean, he did so many great movies.

1702
01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:51.159
He said that the reason he doesn't that he doesn't

1703
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:54.680
let actors ever look at rushes or dailies. In the

1704
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.600
olden days, dailies were at the end of a day

1705
01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.560
of filming. The reason they were called rushes was because

1706
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:02.600
they would They were the film as you were shooting

1707
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:05.880
for the day was rushed to a lab, developed so

1708
01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:08.279
that it could be projected in a projection room at

1709
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:09.920
the end of the day, so you could see what

1710
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.279
you did and see if you needed to redo anything

1711
01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:14.920
or change anything, which I remember people would ask me like,

1712
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:17.119
did you look at the dailies on your movie? And

1713
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:19.479
I'd be like, when would I have? We shot for

1714
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.600
fifteen hours? What am I going to now? I'm gonna

1715
01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:23.399
go and watch an hour and a half a footage

1716
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.319
we shot that day. Get out of here, you crazy.

1717
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:28.600
And some people were like, oh, it's sacriligious, and I

1718
01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:30.000
was like, yeah, we both ended up with movies. So

1719
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:32.000
I don't know what to tell you. That's my attitude

1720
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.000
towards most, you know, debatable things. Well, it's not really

1721
01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:36.600
how you do it. That's weird because we're both doing it,

1722
01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:39.680
so I don't know. I guess both of us are

1723
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:41.079
wrong or both of us are right. I don't know.

1724
01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:46.399
They're all good. So when you when you're dealing with actors,

1725
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:52.079
you want them to always feel confident and strong, and

1726
01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:55.399
part of that is in some ways helping them feel

1727
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:59.039
kind of infallible if you some actors can take it

1728
01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:00.680
like I didn't really like that one, Like I think

1729
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:02.039
you could do better with it. I think you could

1730
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:04.600
be stronger with it. But some actors can't handle that,

1731
01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:08.520
like especially if they're tired or overworked, or you know,

1732
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:11.560
they've just recently gained some weight or got a haircut.

1733
01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:13.720
They don't love. I mean, there really is that way.

1734
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:16.640
Then then all of a sudden criticism can really crush them.

1735
01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:19.359
And I'm not talking about actors that are like cockack cuckoo.

1736
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:22.960
I mean just regular people who just desperately want to

1737
01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:25.319
be in front of a camera lens, which that is

1738
01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:28.439
kind of cockack cuckoo in its own way. But I

1739
01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:30.319
mean it is not wrong, No, I mean it is,

1740
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.600
but like, but Schumacher said that he wouldn't let actors

1741
01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:37.840
watch dailies because all they do is look at their hair. Anyway,

1742
01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:41.159
he said, the only notes he ever got from actors

1743
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:42.920
one of the few times he let them watch dailies

1744
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:44.720
was they would just talk about their hair. So he's like,

1745
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:45.520
this is worthless.

1746
01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.079
Yeah, you told me about that.

1747
01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:51.560
Yeah that's true. So I mean it's true that he

1748
01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:53.000
said it. I don't know if he's made it up

1749
01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:57.279
or not. But so there are things you can do,

1750
01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:03.159
Like the big one is if somebody is like really

1751
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:05.359
close to nailing it and you don't want them to

1752
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:11.239
question what they did, you blame camera or sound for

1753
01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:14.000
why you have to do it again one more. I'm

1754
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.720
not sure, and it's a lot easier when you're the

1755
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:17.640
camera operator, which I usually am. You know, it'd be

1756
01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:19.760
like one more I did. I didn't love the focus.

1757
01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:22.439
I think I could get the focus better. In fact,

1758
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:24.520
with some actors I literally say like, can I get

1759
01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:24.800
one more?

1760
01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:24.960
Me?

1761
01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:25.319
Not you.

1762
01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:29.760
I've literally said that when we're moving quick. If it's

1763
01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:32.479
somebody I'm comfortable with but not comfortable enough to tell

1764
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:35.840
them like you maybe didn't do it exactly right, because

1765
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.800
I want your confidence up. I don't want you to,

1766
01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:41.680
you know, waste my time needing me to actually sit

1767
01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:43.920
there and talk with you and build you back up.

1768
01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:49.199
So instead I just hide any negatives at all. But

1769
01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:51.840
there are other things too. When I did Alone in

1770
01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:54.840
the Ghost House, I was one of the I mean

1771
01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:57.920
I was kind of like Bryce was in Creep. I

1772
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.640
was the director, and I was playing the camera man, yeah,

1773
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:05.840
in a found footage movie. And I intentionally antagonized John Hambrick,

1774
01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:09.840
the lead actor a ton. I did tell him I

1775
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.680
was going to do that, but he had a very

1776
01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:16.239
short memory once we were in there because I would

1777
01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:20.600
like confront him. I would start arguments with him about

1778
01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:23.439
something we were doing and he didn't seem to know

1779
01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:25.520
the camera was on. Like he would actually get like

1780
01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:29.800
pretty frustrated. And I used all of it. I mean

1781
01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:35.920
I used all of it on that movie. Especially. Another

1782
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:40.119
thing I did that was pretty pretty solid was when

1783
01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:44.000
they enter the Haunted House. I would tell them like,

1784
01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:45.319
I don't like it, Let's do it again. I did

1785
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:46.960
the opposite of what I was saying. Instead of being soft,

1786
01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:48.479
I was like, Ah, that didn't work, that wasn't good.

1787
01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:50.680
Let's do it again. Can we try again? Could you

1788
01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.439
try and be a little bit more whatever? And the

1789
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.720
actors got frustrated because I was being really harsh and

1790
01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.079
it was the end of the day, and all of

1791
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:03.119
that's in the movie because it's a found footage movie,

1792
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.600
and I wanted, without telling them, I wanted all those

1793
01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:10.279
outtakes to show how phony TV is. You know that

1794
01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:11.880
they keep saying, like, for the first time ever, we're

1795
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:13.079
going into the house, and then they go in and

1796
01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:16.760
it's like, let's do it again, you know. I love that.

1797
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:18.039
I think it's one of my favorite parts of the

1798
01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:19.720
whole movie. But like, and I could you could see

1799
01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:21.600
the actors kind of getting like a little a little

1800
01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:25.640
tired of it a little bit. And then on Devil's Trail,

1801
01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:30.000
which I starred in and directed with John Hambrick, I

1802
01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:32.119
warned him before we started that I was going to

1803
01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:36.600
spend the entire film antagonizing him, and I did, and

1804
01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:38.880
there were a few times he got a little he

1805
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:41.439
got a little too upset, and I had to take

1806
01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.199
him aside and be like, I'm sorry, you know, but

1807
01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:48.800
like use it, like I'm just trying. I'm just trying

1808
01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.439
to get you irritated because his character is supposed to

1809
01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:54.800
hate me, and then spoilerler, he's supposed to go like

1810
01:44:55.039 --> 01:44:57.159
maniac on me. You know, he's supposed to get like

1811
01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:59.760
manic to hating me. So I was really trying to

1812
01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:02.239
help and get there. Yeah, and some actors, a lot

1813
01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:04.720
of actors really appreciate if you're like I'm gonna do

1814
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:06.600
these things and say these things to get you there,

1815
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:09.479
A lot of them be like all right, you know,

1816
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:13.239
like get me there. Then, like on Babysitter Massacre, when

1817
01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:15.399
Mary Lee Osborne was like crying and stuff. She was

1818
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:19.640
having trouble keeping that energy. And I was a younger director.

1819
01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:21.079
I would probably still do it, but like I was

1820
01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:22.840
a younger director, So I asked her if she wanted

1821
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.800
physically for me to help by upsetting her physically, and

1822
01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:29.640
she said, yeah, try it. So I did this thing

1823
01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:32.399
where you slap people's shoulders and shove the chest really

1824
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:34.800
fast and slap the shoulders, shove the chest and it

1825
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:38.199
just kind of activates like a little bit of your

1826
01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:42.000
fight or flight response. It's really odd. If somebody did

1827
01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:43.960
it to me in an improv class once and I

1828
01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:47.159
was like, whoa, I feel like I feel on edge

1829
01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:49.439
and you only did it like three times because something

1830
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:51.119
about that sudden hit to the side and then being

1831
01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:54.680
shoved back and forth. You feel small and you feel

1832
01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:57.880
like you can't get away. It's really weird. And she

1833
01:45:58.199 --> 01:45:59.840
she would it got to the point where she would

1834
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:01.079
come to me and asked me to do it again,

1835
01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:05.039
Should like, do it again? Come on? So I would.

1836
01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:08.439
So all of that is to say that I think

1837
01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:10.920
in a lot of ways, Creep is about that. It's

1838
01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:16.319
about how how we draw stories out of people and

1839
01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:20.439
how we manipulate more so the audience than the people

1840
01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.840
in the movie though. Oh yeah, and because we were

1841
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:25.760
trying to figure out what's going on the whole movie,

1842
01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.119
and I feel like I'm rambling way too much. But

1843
01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:31.479
that's what I got from it, especially after watching it

1844
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:33.279
again for the first time in a really long time,

1845
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:35.840
but having seen you know, the recent season of the

1846
01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:38.720
TV series not long at all ago. Yeah, that's what

1847
01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.279
I really got from it, is like, this is about

1848
01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:46.159
making movies and about how interpersonal relationships work on movies,

1849
01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:49.359
And now that I'm thinking about it, in some ways,

1850
01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:54.840
it's almost like the camera's reversed and we're seeing what

1851
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.159
people are dealing with when they're not supposed to be

1852
01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:02.359
on camera, because I mean talking people down. Luckily, on

1853
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:05.079
my movies, people are usually being treated pretty well, but

1854
01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.319
like I've worked on many movies where I've had to

1855
01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:11.239
talk people down and had to be talked down, and

1856
01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:14.399
there is a part a point where you're like, am

1857
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:17.920
I helping this person? Or am I just manipulating them

1858
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:23.039
to stay because I need them? And it's well, this

1859
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:25.399
sounds awful, but it's different when it's your movie. When

1860
01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.359
it's your movie and you're doing that, that's like you're

1861
01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:31.960
just protecting your investment. You're protecting yourself, and to some

1862
01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:34.560
extent sometimes you're protecting people from themselves. That is a

1863
01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:36.359
part of it too, you know, because you could look

1864
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:38.079
at them and be like, I've known you for years

1865
01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:40.399
and you like need this job, you know. I know

1866
01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:43.199
that you do so like or you know, the thing

1867
01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:45.800
that's happening sucks, but isn't that bad? But also we're

1868
01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:49.720
all sick of it, you know. But I remember on

1869
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:53.520
a certain movie we worked on, it got to the

1870
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.560
point where I had been I was being pacified with

1871
01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:00.600
my job being to pacify others, you know, when they'd

1872
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:02.439
be like, what's happening with the schedule? When am I

1873
01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:05.000
doing this? And I'd be like, I don't know, you know,

1874
01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:07.600
I'm trying to figure out the schedule. I would keep

1875
01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:09.600
being told like I don't know, and then I had

1876
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:12.880
to pass that on and eventually I just stopped because

1877
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:15.920
I was like, no, I'm tired of lying, like you're

1878
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:18.840
making me lie to these people and tell them, you

1879
01:48:18.920 --> 01:48:20.880
know how to like that it's going to be all right.

1880
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:22.720
So I started telling them like, I have no idea.

1881
01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:25.319
I don't think anybody does. I'm sorry, you know. I'd

1882
01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:26.600
be like, do you want something to eat? Do you

1883
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:27.399
want an event?

1884
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:27.680
To me?

1885
01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:29.800
Those are the things I can offer, But I am

1886
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:34.600
not going to freakin you know, stop gap lie or

1887
01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:38.680
stop gap withhold the truth every single day, knowing that

1888
01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:40.640
it's never going to get better. You know, if it

1889
01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:43.800
gets you through one day, fine, two days, it's getting sketchy,

1890
01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:46.960
but after three days, that's just your life as a liar. Yeah,

1891
01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:48.960
I feel like that was way too much.

1892
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:52.119
No, And I remember that. I remember working on that

1893
01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:55.279
job because there was so many times when I had

1894
01:48:55.319 --> 01:49:01.079
to just apologize to actors and be like I, if

1895
01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:03.560
I had answers, you would be the first person I

1896
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:04.920
would give them too, But I don't.

1897
01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.479
So yeah, yeah, and that dichotomy is tough. So I

1898
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:11.760
don't know. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but

1899
01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:14.039
that's what I got out of it, was that there's

1900
01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:18.560
so much emotional manipulation, and that's not exclusive to little

1901
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.239
movies or big movies or TV shows or anything. It's

1902
01:49:21.439 --> 01:49:22.399
it's kind of everywhere.

1903
01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:25.880
Yeah, well that's in the end, that's what movies are.

1904
01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:27.039
It's all lies.

1905
01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:31.159
So well, yeah, yeah, I agree. I couldn't agree more.

1906
01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:34.199
But then there's also the element of, like, you don't

1907
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:36.840
have to necessarily see it as a negative thing. I mean,

1908
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:39.920
I mean, like quote unquote manipulating people to do the

1909
01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:43.239
job or stay. You could also look at it as

1910
01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:46.039
like damn, like they're really good at getting people to

1911
01:49:46.119 --> 01:49:49.560
stick around through this shit. I kind of respect that.

1912
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:52.479
So a part of me wonders if that was the

1913
01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:55.399
Other part was that like Mark Duplas was almost doing

1914
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:58.920
an impression of like somebody he'd work with, a producer

1915
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.520
or a director or something, how he's like, damn, you'd

1916
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.399
always get me so pissed off, but he could always

1917
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:05.960
pull me back. Yeah, you could always get me to

1918
01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:08.119
just be like, you know what, Okay, I'll stay. I

1919
01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:11.960
don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also as a you know,

1920
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:17.399
cinematographer for a year, for twenty years. Almost when you're

1921
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:20.720
dead ass broke, you really are afraid to quit. Yeah,

1922
01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:23.960
so and that's a huge, huge element too. Yeah, you're

1923
01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:29.159
like afraid of quitting because failure, failure is not an option,

1924
01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:31.319
even though it's like at your door every day one

1925
01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:33.960
is it time? And you're like not today, not yeah,

1926
01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:37.159
check back tomorrow and could you bring a McMuffin or

1927
01:50:37.199 --> 01:50:38.680
something because I'm really hungry, you know.

1928
01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:42.439
Well, and that's why earlier I said, like when I'm

1929
01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:45.479
when I try to put myself in Aaron's position and

1930
01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:48.039
think of when I would know about I do have

1931
01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:53.560
to temper it with like how desperate he seems to be. Yeah,

1932
01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:57.119
it's subtle, It's it's subtle, but like even in the beginning,

1933
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:01.880
you know when he's filming himself, like going to the house,

1934
01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:05.039
because there's like kind of a brief moment where he's

1935
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:07.439
just filming himself on the road and he's like, I'm

1936
01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:08.840
getting a thousand dollars for a.

1937
01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.600
Day, which has seen even in California standards in that

1938
01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:18.399
in twenty fourteen, five hundred five point fifty maybe a

1939
01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:22.560
thousand you would have a sound package or a light package.

1940
01:51:23.199 --> 01:51:24.920
I'm just saying like, yeah, he does you get that

1941
01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:25.479
kind of money.

1942
01:51:26.119 --> 01:51:30.279
So so that's why I'm like, you've really That's that's

1943
01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:33.479
what makes it good, is they don't. They don't just outright,

1944
01:51:33.720 --> 01:51:35.960
you know, make him say like oh, I'm just begging

1945
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.239
for money, but they do put it in there here

1946
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:42.039
and there where you're like, he's holding out because this

1947
01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:44.239
is this is important.

1948
01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:46.319
Well, and there's another thing too when it comes to

1949
01:51:46.399 --> 01:51:49.439
freelance work in video especially, and people use this term

1950
01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:52.239
all the time, whales, you know, getting a whale in business.

1951
01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:56.199
That's the other thing is like I have worked on

1952
01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:00.600
so many commercials and industrials and all this stuff where

1953
01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:03.159
they're nickel and diming you every second, but you still

1954
01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:06.079
you make enough and it's worth it. And then you

1955
01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:08.159
get a call from somebody who literally is having you

1956
01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:11.119
do something ten times less complex, and you quote them

1957
01:52:11.159 --> 01:52:14.079
a really high price and say, okay, great, and that's it.

1958
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:16.840
And then you're just praying they're gonna need you again

1959
01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:18.720
and again and again because you're just gonna keep charging

1960
01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:21.319
this really high rate, which is not a moral because

1961
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:23.800
they can afford it. They agreed to it. You didn't

1962
01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:25.680
go to them and strong arm them. You just told

1963
01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:27.159
them like, oh, it's this much and they went okay.

1964
01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:27.960
Yeah.

1965
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:30.399
That's the other thing is like you don't want to

1966
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:33.760
lose a whale. That's why he would drive all that

1967
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:36.079
way for a grand because it's a lot for it,

1968
01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:40.359
but it's not in an unbelievable amount you would believe like, oh,

1969
01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:43.279
this person probably just doesn't know that you could totally

1970
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.399
get somebody cheaper. Yeah, the end. I mean, there's an

1971
01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:48.880
episode of Creep Tapes. I don't mean to keep going

1972
01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:51.000
to it, but like where he hires a guy because

1973
01:52:51.039 --> 01:52:54.119
he loves a movie he directed before he basically quit

1974
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:58.479
directing features and started just kind of doing gigs. And

1975
01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:01.039
I love that episode. That's what I'm favorite ones because

1976
01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:04.319
he's like, yeah, it's it's almost the movies. The episode

1977
01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:08.960
is basically punishing him for giving up his art. Hoddamn.

1978
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:12.399
So I think there's a lot in there In some ways.

1979
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:14.920
I think that it's almost like exercising the demons of

1980
01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:19.399
being a filmmaker for Mark Duplas and his writing partner

1981
01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:23.479
Bryce oh Absolutely to kind of like spew this kind

1982
01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:29.840
of insanity. Absolutely, but Creep is a great film. The

1983
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:32.399
first one's available on Netflix if you like that one.

1984
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:33.720
I'm not sure where the second one is and I'm

1985
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:35.439
not going to look it up because I'm very tired

1986
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:38.399
because I have to leave in like two days for

1987
01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:42.520
another weekend of work. But it's really worth watching. And

1988
01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:47.479
then the Shutter series Creep Tapes is I thought was great. Yeah,

1989
01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:49.399
I mean there are a few that aren't as good

1990
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:52.439
as others, but that's the way it goes. There's six

1991
01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:55.960
episodes of season, so it's zooms right by. I really

1992
01:53:56.119 --> 01:54:01.119
enjoyed it. And when I heard an interview years ago

1993
01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:05.159
with Duplas talking about making Creep two that when he

1994
01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:08.319
was describing their production issues, it dawned on me at

1995
01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:12.119
that moment that holy crap, they really were just him

1996
01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:16.800
and the two other actors and maybe two crew people

1997
01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:21.399
in a big bear cabin just making this thing with

1998
01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:24.239
a camera and a light. It just felt refreshing to

1999
01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:26.439
know that, like a guy who could be on all

2000
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.560
these big sets and all these things. Like he was

2001
01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:33.199
describing that they had basically improvised an idea for how

2002
01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:34.640
this ending was gonna happen, but then they were like,

2003
01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:37.159
we don't have the prop, so they literally dug through

2004
01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:41.840
the drawers of this rental home to find like carabineers

2005
01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:44.319
and like is there a belt? Like is there anything

2006
01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:46.600
like that, like a strap or something like to make

2007
01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:48.119
this thing so that they could show up for a

2008
01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:49.720
second and then ditch it so you didn't notice it

2009
01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:52.399
wasn't real. And I was like, I've done that, Like

2010
01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.560
I've done that, and I did it for like, you know,

2011
01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:57.880
fifteen hundred bucks, and he's doing it, you know, in

2012
01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:01.119
between giant expensive. I love that. That makes me happy

2013
01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:04.920
as a filmmaker because that's how I always want to

2014
01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.439
be able to just enjoy the process as the process.

2015
01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:11.039
That's something that I that I value a lot.

2016
01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:13.279
Yeah, no, I agree.

2017
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.479
But on that note, boy, howdy, do you have anything

2018
01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:17.520
else you want to say about Creep?

2019
01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:20.840
I know, I know, I think we've just about covered it.

2020
01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.039
I just think that more people need to watch it.

2021
01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:26.600
I couldn't agree more. Definitely watch Creep. It's on Netflix

2022
01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:29.199
right now. And do you want to tell people what

2023
01:55:29.399 --> 01:55:33.399
our next film is? Yes, but you're not ready, are you?

2024
01:55:33.640 --> 01:55:36.119
No? I'm ready? Well let me double check, as.

2025
01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:43.520
I made her doubt herself. Yeah, okay, that's enough of that.

2026
01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:44.800
Can we get to it?

2027
01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:50.760
Okay? So Okay, I was right. We're keeping up the

2028
01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:55.760
movies about filmmaking, oh trend.

2029
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:57.880
Are we going for the one you've been wanting to

2030
01:55:57.920 --> 01:55:58.600
talk about forever?

2031
01:55:59.439 --> 01:55:59.560
Uh?

2032
01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:03.119
Yeah, we're going to talk about One Cut of the Dead.

2033
01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:04.920
Oh okay, I thought it was another one.

2034
01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:08.319
I think the one you're thinking of will be the

2035
01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:08.960
one after that.

2036
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:12.359
Oh okay, because oddly enough that film is the same

2037
01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:14.279
came out the same exact year as Creep.

2038
01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:14.920
Oh really.

2039
01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:18.720
One Cut of the Dead is a phenomenal movie, although

2040
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:21.680
I'll be honest it's it's not much of a horror

2041
01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:27.640
film per se. It's a beautiful drama, very funny. It

2042
01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:32.640
is a Japanese film, very low budget Japanese film, and

2043
01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:34.720
I've been in love with it ever since I first

2044
01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.199
saw it. So we're gonna be talking about that one.

2045
01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:40.279
As far as I can tell. It is available to

2046
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:46.039
stream with your AMC Plus or shutter account, but you

2047
01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:52.600
can also rent it on Amazon Prime, YouTube, Fandango at Home,

2048
01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:57.720
Google Play, and Apple TV. So definitely watch that one.

2049
01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:00.640
If you're not into foreign films very much, you don't

2050
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:04.520
like subtitles, watch this one anyway. And I like if

2051
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:07.399
the charm doesn't get you in the first twenty minutes,

2052
01:57:07.920 --> 01:57:09.600
then you can send me an email and tell me

2053
01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:11.880
what a bad person I am. And that's fine by me.

2054
01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:13.840
I think I think the charm is gonna get you

2055
01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:14.840
in the first twenty minutes.

2056
01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:15.439
I think.

2057
01:57:15.479 --> 01:57:15.520
So.

2058
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.000
It's a phenomenal movie. So, with that all being said,

2059
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:20.560
thank you all for joining us for another episode of

2060
01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:24.039
cutting Deep into Horror. I really do appreciate it. If

2061
01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:25.840
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2062
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2063
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2074
01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:04.520
out of here. So uh, I don't have a joke.

2075
01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:09.720
I'm really tired. Ah, that's fine, they're they're used to it.

2076
01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:12.960
From October, Catch you guys later,