June 5, 2026

Cutting Deep into Horror | REC (2007) | Found Footage Horror & Spanish Zombie Terror

Cutting Deep into Horror | REC (2007) | Found Footage Horror & Spanish Zombie Terror
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Cutting Deep Into Horror
REC (2007) found footage horror gets the Cutting Deep into Horror treatment as Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfilock themselves inside one of the most terrifying Spanish horror movies ever made. Directed by Jaume Balagueró and Paco Plaza, REC is a lean, relentless Spanish found footage zombie horror classic that follows a TV reporter and her cameraman into a Barcelona apartment building where a routine emergency call becomes a sealed-off nightmare.

In this episode, Henrique and Rachael dig into why REC still feels so scary, eerie, immediate, and brutally effectivenearly two decades later. From the firehouse ride-along setup to the escalating quarantine, from the infected attacks to the unforgettable night-vision finale, this is a movie that understands exactly how to use shaky camera chaos without losing the audience.Inside this episode:
  • Why REC works so well as found footage horror — and why the news crew setup makes the camera feel natural instead of forced.
  • The apartment building as a horror trap — claustrophobic hallways, locked exits, frightened residents, and a quarantine that keeps tightening.
  • Spanish zombie horror vs. American remake energy — including comparisons to Quarantine and why the original feels rawer and more dangerous.
  • The Tristiana Medeiros reveal — how the movie shifts from outbreak horror into something more demonic, strange, and unforgettable.
  • The final darkness — why the night-vision climax remains one of the most iconic endings in modern found footage horror.
  • Henrique and Rachael’s final thoughts on why REC is one of the strongest found footage films they’ve covered so far.
REC was reportedly produced on a roughly $2.1 million budget and earned about $23 million worldwide, making it a major international success for Spanish horror and one of the defining found-footage genre entries of the 2000s.

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Oh man, don't know.

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Please, hey, Rachel, please point the camera? Okay, am I

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in focus? Is this good? That's good? Like right here,

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I feel like it's kind of a flat wall that

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we're filming against. I know it would be better to

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have like a corner for geometry, but I feel like

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that's gonna be.

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A good The only corner is over there, and there's

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like a group of people over there that may eat us.

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If you're going to offer problems, you need to follow

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with solutions. It's fine. So uh, okay, is there anything

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in my teeth? Is my because last time I did it,

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my part was not right. I was very upset.

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Oh well, I mean okay, I guess I guess I

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could use.

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A little bit word sir, Sir, we're trying to do

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a news piece here. Don't worry about him.

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Okay, well, yeah, I guess do that.

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Don't lick your hand and touch my hair. You're not

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my mother.

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Okay. The light over here is a little bit better,

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so if you want to stand here, Also, you're less

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likely to die. So well, we're all gonna die, I mean,

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like imminently.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I'm,

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of course, your host Enrique Kuto here with my co

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host Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel, how are you doing. I'm doing good,

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good good. You almost said how are you? Didn't you almost? Yeah?

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I caught that one.

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Yeah, but I stopped myself.

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That's good. I didn't have a Have you ever been

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at like the movie theater or something and somebody says like,

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enjoy the movie, you go, you too?

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And then you're like, oh, I don't like at a

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restaurant when they're like, enjoy your order and your dinner,

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you too.

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Oh God, I guess I'll have to skip down and.

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Now I've gotta gotta leave forever. Yes times yeah, well,

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well good, I guess. Well. Tonight we're talking about a

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horror film that I have been a huge fan of

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for quite a while. From two thousand and seven. It's

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yet another found footage movie. We've been kind of on

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a tear with found footage movies. So it's two thousand

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and seven's Wreck, but that's spelled R E C like Horde,

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and this has caused a lot of problems. I loved

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that movie. And one time I was talking to a

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friend of mine about horror movies we liked and found

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footage movies, and he kept talking about REC. And I

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had no idea what he was talking about, because I,

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you know, watched the movie and you only read the title.

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because REC was really good, and I'm like, I haven't

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seen that one. He was like, oh, yeah, that's a

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zombie movie in there in Spain, and I was like,

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like REC like Record. He was like yeah, and I

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was like, oh my god. So but it is available

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to watch totally free with ads on two B TV.

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a quick jaunts, it's short run time, it's under eighty

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minutes long, it's seventy eight minutes, and it zooms by.

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It is really fun, really aggressive, great scares, and I've

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always loved this one, so I'm I'm pumped that I

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got to show it to you and to talk about

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it a little bit today. And yeah, but before we

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do that, I understand you wanted to talk about geek

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Out because it's coming right up as the next next weekend. R.

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Yeah, geek Out is next weekend. It is June eleventh

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through fourteenth, and it is in College Corner. This is

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the one thing that I didn't have pulled up. It's

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in College Corner and there it is at eighty five

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oh one Camden College Corner Road. It's just outside of

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like Oxford area, and it's real cool. A music festival

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slash geek festival. They've got all sorts of musical artists.

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They have a larp trail. They're going to have a

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board game room and a video game room so you

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can like participate in different competitions they've got going on.

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They've got a cosplay competition going on all weekend. So yeah,

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June eleventh through fourteen.

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street address that no one's going to remember, but didn't

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give the address. Everybody needs the web address. The web address,

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that's where they can find all of the information.

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Thank you. If you go out to geek Out Festival

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dot com, then you can find the tickets and you

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can find out all the information.

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And did you mention you will be there?

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I will be there. That's what we let up. Okay,

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next weekend, I'm going to.

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Maybe I just said next weekend was when the event was.

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I don't think I said it was that you were

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going to be there. So I just want to make

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sure it was very clear that there's a reason to

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check it out. If you happen to be in the

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southern Ohio or southern Indiana or northern Kentucky sort of area,

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you might want to check out geek Out. It definitely

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is a really fun time. It is like a little

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bit burning Man, a little bit you know, Star Trek convention. Yeah,

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Lord of the Rings convention more so, not not quite

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as cool as a Star Trek, but yeah, and you

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said geek out Festival dot com.

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Geek out Festival dot com.

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So I often forget that other people it's not as

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easy to do plugs for them. For whatever reason. I

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I maybe it maybe it's from my professional wrestling training,

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but I'm just I'm like, give me three bullet points

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about this event. All right, I got it leading you.

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I definitely think that it's the Carnie Salesman in you.

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were taught to cut promos, which is the interviews you

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do on the microphone, I mean, promos are literally just

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telling people where to go and what time the show

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starts and when, and then the rest is whatever, you know,

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whatever you're talking about, you know, so, you know, so

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and so thought they got the best of us, but

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they did not. And Saturday June fourth, at the Coliseum

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outside of Kent, Ohio, We're going to take you down

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it stuff like that. It was just that was always

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you had to say where it was, when it was.

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You didn't always have to say the bell time. Usually

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they would leave that to the actual promotion. But yeah,

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telling people where to go and when was always really important.

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So yeah, you just kind of become second nature to

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some extent. But speaking of nature, rec is not necessarily

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that much of a nature kind of thing, no, or

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maybe I'm wrong, But it's interesting too because when we

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talked about paranormal activity last week, right, was that what

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we did last week? And when I brought up rec

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rec was done the year before. Yeah, so it wasn't

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quite It wasn't quite smack dab in the middle of

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like a big paranormal or not paranormal but big found

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footage trend. The trend wasn't really going very hard yet,

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and these filmmakers home but I got out Ghetto and

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Paco Plaza, who directed it, was a directing team when

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they put the film together. It was probably more out

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of budget necessity, although Wreck at least reportedly had a

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sizeable budget. Really the claim on Wikipedia, which is which

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is weird because it says top ten lowest budget horror

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movies of all time, But they're claiming two million dollars.

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That wouldn't make it anywhere near the lowest budget horror

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movie of all time. Yeah, thanks for nothing Forbes. I

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can't imagine it would cost two million dollars to be

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completely frank, But so where because they're claiming that that's

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the source of that number, or maybe that's no Wreck

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the best zombie film of found footage two million dollar

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budget masterpiece. Why would they say that. They literally talk

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about movies with way lower budgets throughout the entire piece.

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Maybe it did cost two million or two million. I

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doubt it, but it could have. But its box office

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is what's impressive. It did thirty two point five million

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dollars at the box office, mostly in Europe, and that's

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just not that common. Yeah, for a film, a small

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European film, to make that kind of box office money

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is pretty unheard of. It's very similar to what happened

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with One Cut of the Dead, although that was reported

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as much much, much cheaper. But it made stupid money

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at the box office just in Japan alone. And Japan's

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not the biggest country in the world, you know, and

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it's actually relatively small island. So yeah, So I mean

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it hit and it hit hard and became, you know,

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kind of synonymous with kind of if you know, you know,

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like in the no Found Footage movies. I mean the

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box set I have because it spawned three sequels, so

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there's four wreck movies. And that box set was put

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out by Shout Factory Screen Factory, which is one of

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the bigger distributors of horror movies, so it definitely has fans.

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Yeah out there. No, that's that's pretty amazing that Shout

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Factory put it out. I mean, I guess that kind

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of makes sense though, considering that they are like one

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of the big big guys.

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mean hundreds and to prialy thousands of horror movies by now. Yeah,

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but they handled the box set and it's a great

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box set. So I'm proud to have it in my collection.

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I hadn't even opened it. I mean, I bought it

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because I I don't to be completely honest, I don't

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know if I've seen Reck four. I think I had

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not seen that one, but I love two and three.

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They were really good, so I snapped it up right away.

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Yeah, and you've you've you told me as we were

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watching Reck that it's got sequels, and you really feel

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that the sequels are very strong, Oh yeah, which is

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kind of like hit or miss with horror sequels, you

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can never really judge what you're going to get. Generally,

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it's a good time, but that doesn't mean that you're

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always getting like the same caliber as the first movie.

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So I'm very curious to try and check out the

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sequels eventually, because I really enjoyed this one.

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At least, say try When I just said I own them,

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it's not like it's gonna be hard to get them.

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But some of you out there listening may be familiar

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with the American, big budget American remake of Wreck that

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came out in two thousand and eight, so wow, really

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soon after about a year later, Yeah, that is twelve

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million dollar remake which did forty one million at the

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box office, so it was a modest hit. It was

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called Quarantine, and it starred Jennifer Carpenter, who at that

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time was hot on the success of the TV series

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Dexter because she played Deborah Morgan, Dexter's sister on the show.

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And Quarantine was pretty good, and I liked Quarantine. That

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had its own sequel, Quarantine to Terminal, which I liked

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that one as well. It wasn't bad. But I think

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that that first WREC movie really stands out in particular

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because it has a rawness and a simplicity about it

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that really pulled me in. So but we'll take a

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quick break and when we get back, we'll talk about

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our first impressions of the film. Right after this. So,

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the first time I watched Rec was on a streaming

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service and it might have been Netflix. I feel like

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it might have been one of their early foreign pickups,

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because that's one thing I've always appreciated about Netflix is

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the very interesting like foreign films you can get on there,

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and foreign series and things like that. And it was

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either there, it might have been Amazon like the earliest

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days of now it wouldn't have been Prime. Maybe it

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could have been maybe Hulu, or maybe I rented it.

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I really wish I remembered exactly what brought it on

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my radar, but I remember being just smacked down by

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it because it was it was so energetic, it had

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such great scares. I felt like it wasn't afraid to

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be simple, although toward the end they throw a lot

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at you to kind of make it all make sense maybe,

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and then the monster reveal at the end is nuts,

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but it's highly memorable and they don't I don't feel

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like they overdid it. Yeah, And of course one of

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the most important elements of a found footage movie the

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ending works. Yes, the last moment is like whoe and

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then it's over, and that's something that you should you

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should always aspire to as a found footage film. So

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those are my two cents. On my first time I

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watched Reck and it became immediately just kind of a

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synonymous win great found footage movies title for me, and

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then I remember a year or two later, you know,

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I think the reason I'm struggling to remember exactly how

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I saw the first film is because I'm trying not

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to be confused with when I watched the remake. The

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remake might have been on Netflix or Hulu. It's hard

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for me because they are I mean, they're very similar

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in I mean they're very like, it's not like a

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remake and name only by any stretch. They used a

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lot of the the elements. Okay, so it'd be it'd

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be worth watching. I'd love to show it to you.

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I think you'd get a real kick out of it

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and be fascinated by like the changes they made and

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things like that. But for you, you just watched it,

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you know, a few days ago. Yeah, so for the

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first time. So what was your your first thought as

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the film rolled on? Because I know that you We've

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talked about this before, but like a lot of your expectation,

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like a lot of how you watch a movie is

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based on the expectations that are set from either the

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way it's told to you you know what it's like,

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or the title you know, if you hear, like, you know,

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if a movie has the title blood Drenched Orgy and

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then it opens up with like a family picnic on Easter,

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You're like, you're gonna be like like really paying attention

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because like, okay, but there's gonna be a blood drenched

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orgy because the titles called blood drenched orgy. So therefore

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I'm like, where are we going? How is this coming up?

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But that can be similar when you put on a

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found footage movie and you know it's a found footage

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horror movie, and then all of a sudden, the movie

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starts up and we see this woman who is a

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like a small town news newsperson, a small town journalist.

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I forget. I don't think they ever said where it

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took place. Oh, no, it's in Barcelona.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, the emergency guys all have

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like Barcelona.

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Yeah, yeah it was Barcelona. It's funny because to them,

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they're calling Barcelona small, but like they are only really

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two cities we know, like on average in Spain, and

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that's Madrid and Barcelona. So I would not assume Barcelona

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to be so like small because they kept like dis

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you know, discounting it as local TV, and like, you know,

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there's like, oh, it's a local thing. It's a local thing,

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so I guess for something in my brain was like, well,

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it can't be a name brand Spanish city, you know,

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or Spanish town or whatever you want to call it.

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So okay, so they're in Barcelona. That makes it a

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lot easier because again one of the two I really know.

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Yeah, easy to remember exactly, but we we see so

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we notice immediately that they're in Spain and she is

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following the she's following firefighters, so that's what you're seeing.

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But as you're seeing that, you you know, this is

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a found footage horror movie and you've even been told

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it's really good and scary. So what was it like

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as you because it feels almost like when you have

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the preface of like, you know, Paranormal Activity or whatever,

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a title like that, or you know The Gallows or

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you know, although that wasn't the best found footage movie

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in the world, but a good title. But when you

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hear those titles and then it just cuts to something

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as mundane as like we're doing a report on firefighting,

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You're like, oh, man, when does when does it all

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go to hell? So that what you found yourself doing.

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No, that was exactly it. Because the moment it started

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and they introduced I think her name is Angela is

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the reporter's name.

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Uh, I don't know why she's not listed it. Oh yeah,

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no Angela.

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But the moment, the moment she like was talking to

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the camera, well specifically the cameraman, and she was, you know,

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like introducing her segment, uh, while you were sleeping.

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While You're Sleeping, which is hilarious because that's the name

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of a movie that I'm sure that they have seen.

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You know, there's a romantic comedy called while You're Sleeping.

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So nice little reference there, why not.

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Yeah, But the moment she introduced herself and all this

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was starting to play out, and you know, she explains

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that they're going to shadow some firefighters for the night.

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I was like, this is perfect, This is the perfect setup.

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Because No. One of the few things about found footage

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that's a huge obstacle to overcome is explaining away why

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would you keep filming?

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Yeah, we've talked about that. That's the hardest thing to solve,

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that's the hardest question to answer without a doubt.

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But reporters, the weirder shit gets the more likely they

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are to film it, and not only to film it,

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but to like seek it out, like like a dog

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with a bone, Like if something's going on, they're going

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to try to get to the bottom of it. So

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I was like, this is the perfect setup because whatever

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is going to happen, she's going to want to be

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in the middle of it.

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Well, the secret weapon in a found footage movie to

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keep making it makes sense that they keep recording is

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have them be a journalist of some sort, even if

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it's not a hard hitting journalist, just a journalist of

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some sort, and then have them be treated in a

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way that's possibly them being wronged, like as we get

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into the movie, them getting locked into an apartment building

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and not being told why they're not allowed to leave.

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They're being wrongfully imprisoned. Once you have something that's wrong,

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you know, air quotes, I mean, you know that appears

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to be like we're being wronged by the government, by

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the police, by the FDA, whatever, I mean, like whatever

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it could be. Once you have that element too, then

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it's like we have to film everything, Yeah, because we're

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not gonna like we're not gonna let people get away

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with this, or because we you know, if they're trying

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to cover this up and it's a serious, real thing,

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we don't want them to be able to lie or whatever.

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So you end up getting that other element, which is

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also just a great horror movie element, which is the

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distrust of authority. And think about that too in our culture.

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In American culture, filming the police is a is a

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very hotly debated but overall accepted practice. You can film

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the police in public while they're doing their job, as

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long as you are not hindering their ability to do

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their job. Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I just

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described basically. Though. It's like, you know, you don't sit

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there and film a great traffic interaction, but if you notice,

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like that cop is really yelling at that guy and

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that guy is in a wheelchair, You're like, I'm going

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to start filming this. Yeah, Like if this goes to court,

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I think I want to help the guy in the

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wheelchair out, you know. So, and that's kind of what

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you're getting with this found footage story in particular exactly.

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And when we get back, I'll let you talk more

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about your first impressions.

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Right after this, so rec has like the perfect setup

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because it's a it's a news crew. They're always you know,

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they're always gonna want to film.

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Crew is strong two people.

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Yeah, I guess that wouldn't be I know, it's totally.

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A news crew. I just wanted to be funny because

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it's only too generally a news crew is like two people.

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It's like the guy who drives the van and runs

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the cameras. Unless you're talking like olden days when they

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would have the satellite vans. Oh yeah, then you'd have

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a satellite op and a camera op and the news person.

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Yeah, but that was back in my day.

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Oh man. I remember a few years back. I mean

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not even I mean like a few years back, like

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five or six years back, driving downtown Dayton, and I

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saw one of our newscasters standing there talking and they

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were by themselves. Yeah, and I was like, oh my god,

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they're filming them. I mean, it makes sense. The tech

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is there, auto focus is great, the microphones are it's

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easy enough. But I was like, Wow, they just don't

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even send you with a camera person anymore. And then

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I thought, I wonder how often they get stolen. I'm

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guessing they don't send them out at night alone.

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That wouldn't be wise.

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I mean, you know, at least yeah, generally speaking, I

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would not do it, but that's just that's just.

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Me, not not advised. You would not advise it.

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No, although most of the time, when they're in a

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dangerous place at night, it's because the cops are already there,

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so at least there's.

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That oh okay, well, so you know, you win someone,

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you'll lose something there you go, see, it all works

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out well. And speaking of cops, part of the reason

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I got so amped when Rex started is because, you know,

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the premise was so good, but you and I recently

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watched a found footage film that had an equally good premise,

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but they kind of like fumbled the bag halfway through.

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They managed to pull through, but the movie was body Cam.

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Do you remember that.

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Of course, Yeah, so it was a shudder yeah, shutter original.

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Yeah, so if you've got shutter, it's it's I mean,

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it's okay, but you know, the whole premise of Bodycam

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is its bodycam footage from cops. But they it just

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kind of lacked a bit of the edge and the

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grittiness that they really captured.

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In Wreck, which is hilarious and ironic because it's literally

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nothing but grit. Like the whole the Bodycam movie is

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like everything super grainy, everything's always underlit, everything's super gross.

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There's some really nasty gore and stuff. To me, the

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problem with Bodycam, and I think maybe more to what

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you were getting at, is that a big, a big

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problem with found footage movies and we talked about this

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with Cloverfield, is trying to do too much, Yes, and

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when you try to do too much, you run the

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risk of breaking this kind of immersion sense of I'm

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watching found footage and how much we want to suspend

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our disbelief, you know, that's to every person. Every individual

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person has a a you know, a degree to which

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they want to suspend their disbelief or in the famous

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words of Lloyd Kaufman, who used to say, when people

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watch our films, we don't recommend you suspend your disbelief.

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We recommend you lock it in a box and torture it.

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So but with BODYCM, my biggest problem was they did

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a lot of massive things, and they did some of

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them really well, but eventually it's like he basically it's

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not a big spoiler. He basically like, you know, it's

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a possession thing that turns into demonic thing and then

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he like goes through a portal to like a not

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real world. Maybe it's just too much, it's just too much.

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I would have I and again this is my personal taste,

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but like, I think I would have been a lot

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more scared if they'd just been stuck in one house

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with a friggin' demonic entity. Yea, I've been way more scared.

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Although the scene where he's driving and the neighborhood keeps

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changing around him was really no.

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And that's why I'm saying, like it wasn't necessarily a

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poorly executed film, and you're right, it is. It is

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gritty in esthetic. Yeah, it just uh it lacked the Yeah, yeah,

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that's that's it. Yeah, it was just too polished. There

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was too much going on with the you know, all

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of it. So uh that's why when Rex started and

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I was like, oh, wow, they've got a really rock

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solid premise and you've told me it's a good film,

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So I'm like really excited to see how this plays out.

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And and you're right, they were very They practiced restraint

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a lot in the film, and they kept it as

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enclosed as possible, which back to the plot. What happens is,

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you know, they're they're shadowing this team of firefighters and

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and kind of goofing off, saying like, we're not even

457
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going to get a call.

458
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.400
Well, it's boring. Yeah, it's generally a boring job. You're

459
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:09.960
making your money just sit around and wait for a fire.

460
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.759
I mean, assuming you're a paid firefighter, that's all you're doing.

461
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.599
You're making your money because you sit in a place

462
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.359
and wait, You take naps, you eat food, you hang out.

463
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.240
But the moment that thing, the siren goes off or

464
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.680
the bell goes off or whatever the alarm, you have

465
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.319
to get into action immediately.

466
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:26.480
Yeah, be ready.

467
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.759
Yeah, And they tell him it's like most nights that

468
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.759
bell doesn't go off, and that's a good thing because

469
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.079
that means nobody's house is burning down or whatever. And

470
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.319
they even tell her, you know a lot of times

471
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.519
we respond to calls of water leaks. I guess that's

472
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.279
a I don't feel like we have a water leak

473
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.960
thing here, but I guess in Spain that's a thing

474
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.079
that firefighters do also, is like stop water leaks. Okay,

475
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.440
But then he mentions, you know, also pet rescue.

476
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.960
M hm, And he even jokes he's like as much

477
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.839
of a cliche as it is, we really do that.

478
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.440
We do it. Yeah, and then sometimes you know, with

479
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.079
the emergency, like I forget the other like just helping

480
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.200
people who are stuck or trapped, I think is what

481
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.480
you said. So and I'll tell you the reason I

482
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.960
thought it was brilliant to have them follow firefighters in

483
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.200
particular is because when you watch horror films where everything

484
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.960
you know is beginning to go awry, where the monster

485
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:24.599
or whatever is first being realized, usually you know, somebody

486
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:29.200
calls the police or calls nine one one, and oftentimes

487
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.799
in those movies, like paramedics or firemen show up first

488
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.599
or show up immediately after the police who were ineffective,

489
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.799
and then they become the newest victims too. So it

490
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.759
makes sense because if anything really serious happened in the

491
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.920
city of Barcelona, the fire men are almost guaranteed to

492
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.920
end up there right away. Yeah, So that I think

493
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.279
that sets it up very well, and they're most likely

494
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.920
to be not prepared if it's not a fire incident.

495
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.920
Although I mean, I say that, but but Manu really

496
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.720
becomes a pretty big bad ass though he kicks a

497
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.920
man who kicks a hell of a lot of ass.

498
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.480
So but yeah, so it's a great setup and they

499
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.839
do they keep referencing it's going to be pretty boring,

500
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.359
it's gonna be pretty low key. But then when the

501
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.359
when the alarm goes off, you know, the two guys

502
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.240
Manu and Alex are the firefighters, they're they're shadowing that night,

503
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.039
they you know, immediately stop what they're doing, and they

504
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.039
just turned them to go, you know, we're going. And

505
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.400
I think they said that they have to be out

506
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.240
the door in three minutes, like that's the rules. They

507
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.200
they're suited up and out the door in three minutes.

508
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.519
So you see them run over and slide down the

509
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:46.440
pole and then our Angela, our news reporter, she's like,

510
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.000
what do we do? And it's like, so they have

511
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.880
to run to the stairs because he can't the Pablo,

512
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.400
the cameraman can't slide down the thing with the camera

513
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.519
on him. So now they're getting into the fire the

514
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.960
fire engine, and it's very very clear that like move, move, move,

515
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.839
like you cannot be slowing us down like and I

516
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.000
that was something I appreciated. I felt like I felt

517
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.759
like Manu and Alex were both very friendly to them

518
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.079
and didn't mind them coming with them at all. But

519
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.759
they were very matter of fact, like, you got you

520
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.359
cannot be slowing us down. Yeah, like you guys can

521
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.680
ride along and everything, but you cannot slow us down,

522
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.240
like we cannot be waiting around for you period. You know.

523
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.359
So they get a call and it's about an old

524
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.599
woman who needed help, meaning assistance.

525
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:33.920
She's acting kind of erratically.

526
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.720
Yeah, acting erratically, which sounds to me more like a

527
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:38.880
job for the police.

528
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.720
But what do I know, Well, you know, uh, firefighters

529
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:50.359
are often lumped in just with an emergency services well,

530
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.240
and that seems to be the case there in Spain.

531
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.000
Yeah, and it's Spain, so I mean, you know, maybe

532
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.920
maybe they thought she just needed to be assisted out

533
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.519
of the building or something, or who knows. But as

534
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:05.920
they get to the apartment complex, things start to heat

535
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.720
up pretty quickly. And the first fifteen minutes or so,

536
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.000
maybe ten or fifteen minutes of the movie really lulls

537
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.400
you into that oddly comfy sense of false security as

538
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.640
they're hanging out at the firehouse and eating you know,

539
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.519
dinner with all the guys and watching them play basketball.

540
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.240
But now as they arrive at this Barcelona apartment building,

541
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.960
things are about to get nasty and we'll talk all

542
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.319
about that right after this.

543
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.519
So they arrive on the scene at the apartment complex

544
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:56.920
and Angela and oh wait, what's his name? The uh

545
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:02.599
the camera camera, Pablo, Pablo, Pablo. I was gonna say Pablo,

546
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.880
but then I felt like, oh, but what if I'm wrong?

547
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.599
So you looked worse anyway, Yeah, yeah.

548
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:15.359
That's my Amo. So they they arrived with the firefighters

549
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.799
and some police officers have also already live arrived and

550
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.079
Angela is kind of treating it like just another day

551
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.880
on the job. But that's when you start to get

552
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.839
the sense from the firefighters like, no, they're here to

553
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.880
do with their job, so you really can't get in

554
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.839
their way. And as they are getting into the apartment

555
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.920
apartment building, like all of the residents there are kind

556
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:45.079
of frantic and they're talking about, you know, the old lady,

557
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.480
who is the reason that they call, you know place

558
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.319
the call. They're trying to figure out there's something going

559
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.720
on with a Colombian girl that's possibly in the old

560
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:59.599
lady's apartment. So the firefighter, firefighters and the police decide

561
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.200
to go up and investigate, and of course Angela and

562
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.039
Pablo want to go with them, because this is the

563
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.720
whole reason, like, this is why they're filming them, is

564
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.519
to see what the life of a firefighters really like, well.

565
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.720
Especially the ones who work third shift. That's the whole

566
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.440
point of why it's called while you Were Sleeping, is

567
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.000
they follow people who work third shift exactly.

568
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.319
So they get up there and the apartment's all dark,

569
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.279
and immediately you get a sense of foreboding and there's

570
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.279
this old lady at the end of the hallway and

571
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.319
she's not looking too great.

572
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.920
No, she looks like death warmed over.

573
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.160
Which is great because then she attacks one of the

574
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.640
police officers and just like bites him on the throat,

575
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.480
and you know, as as someone you know, as an

576
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.440
audience member, you're like, oh great, this is this is

577
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.559
where it all like it all hits the fan now.

578
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:08.599
So they managed to get her pulled off of the

579
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.720
police officer, and the other police officer, his partner finally

580
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:19.680
remembers that he has a gun and shoots her, and

581
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.640
so they you know, pull him out, and almost instantly,

582
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.240
when they're trying to take care of the critically injured

583
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.480
police officer in like the lobby of the apartment building,

584
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.880
they notice a commotion outside, and then they start hearing

585
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.480
like a voice over the loudspeaker like don't panic, replacing

586
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.119
you under quarantine, Like this building is being closed off.

587
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.680
You need to follow the directions of the police officer

588
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:56.839
that's with you, which is not reassuring at all, because

589
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.440
one of the police officers is almost dead.

590
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.519
Yeah, they're, they're, they're. The entire reason they want to

591
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.119
get out is because this guy clearly needs serious medical attention.

592
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.599
And they even try, like screaming like they're you know,

593
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.679
they're trying to open the doors and the doors are

594
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.000
locked from the outside.

595
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:15.840
Uh.

596
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.119
And they're even trying to scream to the people out

597
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.320
there and reason with them, like we need out, and

598
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:27.880
nobody's listening. And it started to strike me here that

599
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.079
you know, this was this was filmed in two thousand

600
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:37.320
and seven, but for modern audiences, Uh, this movie has

601
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.480
like some different implications because we all lived through like

602
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.440
COVID nineteen and and you know quarantine.

603
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.639
And well it was a lockdown, a lockdown.

604
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:50.519
Uh.

605
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:57.079
So there's this this vacuum of information that's created between

606
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.480
the outside world and what's going on on the side.

607
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.239
And it goes both ways too, because like there's no

608
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.480
way for them to communicate with the outside world, like

609
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.519
we're all in immediate danger.

610
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.039
No, they telled them the cop was able to radio.

611
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.440
He can talk to them over the radio. They just

612
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.840
don't need anything to tell them. Yeah, I mean, other

613
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.199
than do you know you're being locked up for right now?

614
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.800
We're talking to the health department. The health they keep

615
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.480
saying the health inspector will be coming soon, which I

616
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.360
think maybe a translation thing, probably because I here we

617
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.440
think of health inspectors as people who check out like

618
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.960
a burger restaurant. I think it's something much more serious

619
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:37.239
over there.

620
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.400
Yeah, because they even mentioned at one point that the

621
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:47.519
quarantine operation has been around like since atomic bombs, and

622
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:53.199
it's like the nuclear and what was it nuclear and

623
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.960
biological and something else like protocols. So yeah, it just

624
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.440
really I don't know, I don't know if when you

625
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:07.239
were watching it, if you caught that also, but for

626
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.039
someone who had never seen the film before, Yeah, it

627
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.199
just it just really struck me around that point. I

628
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.599
was like, Oh, there's some like similarities. I guess life

629
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.480
imitates art sometimes in that way.

630
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.719
Oh yeah, well, and I mean quarantine is not a

631
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.519
like new to horror concept. I mean the whole idea

632
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.719
of like the tents and the people in the bunny

633
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.039
suits and stuff. That's been a trope of horror films

634
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.280
since the sixties.

635
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:43.840
Mm hmm.

636
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.360
The idea of something coming to your town and all

637
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.719
of a sudden, like your town is shut down, nobody

638
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.119
can leave or enter. That's a very common thing. Waiting

639
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.280
for people to give you more information and then you know,

640
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.119
not giving you a lot of information, that's a whole deal.

641
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.719
They did it really well in the Blob remake. That

642
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.000
was one of my favorite kind of quarantine things because

643
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.239
they keep, you know, saying why are you holding locking

644
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.960
us up? And they're like, you know, plague, and they're

645
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.360
like plague stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, that's always

646
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.079
been something that's scary, and you know, the moment that

647
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.239
it really to me hits hard in re Reck is

648
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.760
when they decide they're gonna go upstairs and see if

649
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.880
they can get out from upstairs, and then as they're

650
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.760
trying to get up to the cops are already there

651
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.280
like shining light, and then all of a sudden, the

652
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:40.760
plastic sheeting drops from outside, so they're not just quarantined inside,

653
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:46.000
they're being sealed inside. That I thought was one of

654
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.320
the coolest moments that just really tells you like, oh shit, yeah,

655
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.760
this is this is bad. And at this point they

656
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.480
still don't know what really is about to start happening.

657
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.719
M h. I mean they know that there was that

658
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.960
crazy old woman and then the are poor Alex the

659
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.599
firefighter who falls from the top of the stairs and

660
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.679
smashes down in front of everybody, which is one of

661
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.800
the strongest shocks of the movie. Oh god, yeah, really

662
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.079
great and it comes out of nowhere. They're just talking

663
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.320
about something yeah, and then wham, and they did it beautifully.

664
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:22.639
It gets you.

665
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.559
So I don't I was looking at the Wikipedia page.

666
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:31.760
I'm not certain. You know, this could be just fabrication,

667
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.400
but I've heard that. You know, the directors. First off,

668
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.440
they filmed everything chronologically, which is super weird, but it

669
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.639
does make sense, like for what they were doing.

670
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.920
Yeah.

671
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.920
And also they never gave any of the actors a

672
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:55.039
full script, and they would oftentimes like not tell actors

673
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.599
what scene they were filming before they started filming it,

674
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.159
just like stand here and do this and so on.

675
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.559
The reason that scene is so effective is they didn't

676
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.800
tell anyone they were going to be dropping a body

677
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.880
from the top of the building, so no one knew

678
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.079
that was going to happen. So that's why it was.

679
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.880
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. You don't.

680
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.840
You don't buy it.

681
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.000
I don't because that would be such a safety hazard

682
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.239
to just drop a dummy. Ne're a bunch of people

683
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.000
who have no idea something's falling from the I just

684
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.320
don't buy that. They could have done something to startle people.

685
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.719
But yeah, that's way too dangerous. I mean, it's possible,

686
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.639
but I'm just that sounds a little too dangerous. But

687
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.159
they could have, you know, I can't say they didn't

688
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.519
for sure.

689
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.440
Yeah, I mean, but.

690
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.320
Falling bodies is going to be the least of their

691
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.000
problems when we get back.

692
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:10.039
But you've you've made a couple movies, Uh yeah, and

693
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.039
you've made some found footage films.

694
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.599
Yes, yes, I have.

695
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:19.559
Have you ever like withheld stuff from actors to try

696
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.000
and get a better, uh, you know, a better performance

697
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:23.440
out of them?

698
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.800
Oh? Yeah, I mean, especially with found footage movies, because

699
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.440
you're in the moment so often, it's a lot easier

700
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.559
to do that. Yeah, to make people not know what's

701
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.840
coming or what have you. It's it's honestly like one

702
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.639
of the more fun elements of it, because when you're

703
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.159
filming a narrative movie, I mean, even in the most

704
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.400
efficient of circumstances, you're doing everything two or three times, yeah,

705
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.159
and there's an immense amount of setup. You gotta get

706
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.480
the lights, you gotta get the sound, you got to

707
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.480
get the blah blah blah blah blah blah. But when

708
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.159
you go out and shoot a found footage movie, I

709
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.239
mean you just need a camera and maybe a light

710
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.760
and actors and you pretty much do it. I mean,

711
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.880
there are more advanced ways to do it, but you

712
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.840
can really just do it. And that allows an immense

713
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.639
amount of flexibility for misleading the actors to you know,

714
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.159
surprise them, or changing something in the middle as you go.

715
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:26.280
Because one element that's really smart to shooting chronologically when

716
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.239
you can, is that you can improvise entirely. I mean

717
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.840
you can literally change the next scene because you just

718
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.559
shot the last scene, or because you just watched the

719
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.519
last scene. When we did Devil's Trail, we didn't shoot

720
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.719
it in straight chronological order, actually, but we shot the

721
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.639
last half of the movie first and the first half

722
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.639
of the movie last, so it wasn't perfect, but we could.

723
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.039
We could do a lot of interesting things, like on

724
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.039
the first half of the shoot, its snowed, but then

725
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.239
there was no snow the second day, so we added

726
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.280
a bunch of references to it being cold yeah, and

727
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.599
hearing it might snow, and then going there's no way

728
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.519
it's going to snow because then it snowed, and those

729
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.239
kinds of things, you know, help a lot. But as

730
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.639
far as like misleading actors, I mean to get a

731
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.519
realistic reaction out of them, and it's mostly things like

732
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.400
you know, coming out of nowhere and startling them or

733
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.760
or telling them like this thing is going to happen,

734
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.920
but really it's not. It's going to come from the

735
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.679
other place. When I when I scared Yaboo Windomer in

736
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.960
alone in the ghost house, I told her to go

737
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.440
into the bathroom in the house and do bloody Mary

738
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.119
in character, you know she's doing bloody Mary. And then

739
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.960
after that she had to go into like the scary

740
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:53.440
room or whatever. And I literally I was playing the cameraman.

741
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.559
I literally like the moment she went into the bathroom

742
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.159
to bloody Mary, I snuck up into the room and

743
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.440
hid in the dark and filmed me jumping out and

744
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.960
scaring the crowd about it, and she had no I mean,

745
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.440
I did not tell her I was going to do that.

746
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.239
So yeah, I mean there's a lot of room to

747
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.199
kind of play around needling actors. I've talked about that before,

748
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.280
but I mean, yeah, you know, that's another one that's

749
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.719
really useful, especially if you're directing and you're a part

750
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.679
of the of the cast, because often that is the

751
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.920
case on lower budget found footage movies, the director ends

752
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.239
up being somebody usually the person holding the camera.

753
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.039
Just it just makes sense.

754
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.360
It does just make sense. So because I did one

755
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.599
found footage movie where I never held the camera, and

756
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.440
I probably would never do it again. It just too

757
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.920
many problems came up. Yeah that's all. Yeah, but uh

758
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.519
but yeah, so yeah, there's a lot of opportunities.

759
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.119
So and I mean you kind of already answered this

760
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.239
when we were discussing the possibility of if they dropped

761
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.760
a body from what four stories without warning anyone? Do

762
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.519
you like, what for you is the ethical line to

763
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.320
misleading actors or withholding information just to get a performance

764
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:08.800
out of them.

765
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.199
I mean, anything that could cause somebody to get hurt

766
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.159
is the line. But it's not always so simple. I

767
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.840
mean you could misjudge and jump out and somebody is

768
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.039
like going upstairs and they trip and fall and hurt themselves.

769
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.159
I mean there's a lot of risk, so you have

770
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.679
to be really mindful of just trying to mitigate that

771
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.360
risk as much as you can so that on the

772
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.320
brief moments where you make a human judgment error that's

773
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.480
really stupid, Hopefully it's nothing more than somebody trips on

774
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.800
one stair and not falls and gets hurt or something

775
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.800
like that. Like I wouldn't I wouldn't want, you know,

776
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.800
to throw something at people, Yeah, unless it was very

777
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.960
very light, And even then I don't know. The more

778
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.199
I think about the concept of them doing the body drop,

779
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.480
I mean if the dummy they used weide like nothing,

780
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.920
then it probably wouldn't be a big deal. I mean

781
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.000
it just yeah, I don't remember how it looked when

782
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.199
it was falling in the film. Maybe it was like

783
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.400
maybe it was one of those dummies that's basically a

784
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.320
big pillow. Then that wouldn't really be dangerous. But if

785
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.039
it had any weight to it, I just wouldn't want

786
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.000
to do it, because what if somebody decided to step over.

787
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.559
There, yeah, right right, the wrong moment or.

788
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.119
Yeah, yeah, or I mean another way to do it well,

789
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:29.840
still would be dangerous, would be if they knew that

790
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.800
the body was going to drop, but you told them like,

791
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:33.280
we're doing one, but we're not going to do the

792
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.760
drop on this one, and then you do it. But

793
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.679
that still runs the risk of them stepping to where

794
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.920
they shouldn't. But they also shouldn't step over where the

795
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.039
body's going to fall, since they're rehearsing a scene where

796
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.599
the body will fall. Yeah, yeah, so it gets complicated.

797
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.360
I'm sure that they were thinking about the safety of

798
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.920
the crew. I mean, these were not amateurs. These were

799
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.760
not people doing their first movie, you know, fresh out

800
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.199
of college. These were guys who'd made a bunch of movies,

801
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.960
well several movies, and their producer had made dozen or

802
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:02.840
more movies. He was one of the main guys at

803
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.519
Film Max, so he made tons and tons of films.

804
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.039
So I'm sure they were thinking about people's safety.

805
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.920
Yeah, but they're not thinking about people's safety in the

806
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.599
movie because things just keep asking.

807
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.320
It depends on which people that's really that's really the difference.

808
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.119
Which people's safety are they thinking of?

809
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.280
Because we're now down a firefighter and a police officer, yes,

810
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.119
and the Health inspector still hasn't arrived.

811
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.320
Yeah, so we're starting to figure out that there's some

812
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:47.840
zombieness afoot. Yeah, that's what's becoming very apparent. And yeah,

813
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:50.679
everybody's trying to figure it out for themselves. And meanwhile,

814
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.880
our intrepid reporter is interviewing people about their lives and stuff,

815
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.239
and we're getting a lot of really cool, like little

816
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.960
snippets that could be really helpful, Yeah, including the little

817
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.880
girl who has tonsillitis, Jennifer, and and they're all mad

818
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.679
about she's mad. Her mom's mad because they want to

819
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.800
take her to get her or they want her father

820
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.679
to be able to come back with her medicine for tonsilitis.

821
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.760
I think it was tonsiliis, Yeah, tonsilitis.

822
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.480
And they won't let him in. Yeah, they're locked down.

823
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.800
And she's got a fever and blah blah blah, and

824
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.199
she mentions her dog was sick, and there's a and

825
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.199
all of that kind of plays in later, which is

826
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.320
very good writing and very good pacing. But when the

827
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:39.320
Health inspector arrives is when everything goes completely to hell

828
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.239
and a hand basket. Yeah, and we'll get to that.

829
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:58.039
Right after this, the health inspector arrives in his bunny

830
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.639
suit and they literally have to cut through the film

831
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.719
to let him in, you know, the plastic sheet outside

832
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.199
the building. They let him in, and he's clearly surrounded

833
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.320
by armed guards, by military all around him. So he

834
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.920
comes in and basically just starts asking people questions about

835
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.760
how they're feeling, and and we find out pretty quickly

836
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.400
that it looks like there's a blood test, like a

837
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.079
basic blood test they can do, and that as things

838
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.800
start escalating getting worse, we find out very quickly that

839
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:37.960
it's spread through saliva, so bites are real bad. Yeah,

840
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.360
And I love this element, and from what they understand,

841
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:47.400
how quickly it takes effect is based on blood type.

842
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:51.199
Yeah, which is such an interesting little detail.

843
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.719
Well, that's and there are ailments, not many, but there

844
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.239
are ailments that affect different blood types in different ways,

845
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.199
or maybe more that they all affect it in different ways.

846
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.800
But the of the dynamic, like how much different they

847
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:03.800
can be, is very small.

848
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:04.559
Yeah.

849
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.320
But I remember briefly during the COVID era they were

850
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.440
suggesting that blood types might be less. I don't know

851
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.159
if anything ever came up of that.

852
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:12.320
But.

853
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.440
No, so but that's but the reason that's a great

854
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.079
storytelling element is because it means you just have no

855
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.679
clue who's gonna get bit and turn in two seconds

856
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.440
and who's gonna get bit and it's gonna take like

857
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.320
forty minutes. Yeah, and that's brilliant because that keeps everybody

858
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:34.119
on edge. Of course, this guy he gets bit almost immediately. Yeah,

859
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.599
but first they do all kinds of stuff. They're trying

860
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.280
to like study one of the infected people that's still around,

861
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.880
and Pablo is just getting it done, you know, because

862
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.360
Pablo's going out there and filming as much as he can.

863
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.920
I feel so bad for Angela because she's just like,

864
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.280
what are you seeing and he's like, shut up because

865
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.880
he can't tell her right now because he's capturing it. Yeah,

866
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.199
but this is some of the most tense stuff because

867
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.800
we're literally watching this health inspector try to to get

868
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.440
everything under control and get more information, and we're watching

869
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.920
him fail to do so and watching it all come

870
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.639
crashing down and get out of getting out of hand.

871
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.960
We also hear that it all started with a dog. Yeah. Yeah,

872
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.079
that had this ailment that was like rabies, only more

873
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.119
aggressive and that it took what they said, it took

874
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.199
like three times the tranquilizer it should have to stop him.

875
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.119
And then they had to put the dog to sleep.

876
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.760
So now everybody's like, the little girl must have the

877
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.760
illness ever it is, and everybody's like looking at the mother.

878
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.079
And this is one of the best, most effective moments

879
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.360
of the film. The little girl just out of nowhere,

880
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.320
just bites her mom's face and then jumps down and

881
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:47.280
runs off.

882
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:49.920
Just the little demon child.

883
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.800
But it is so sudden, and it really pulls you

884
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.599
back into how freaking crazy. And now the mom is

885
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.360
like she's like raging. In like a minute or two,

886
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.239
she completely nuts and they've handcuffed her. And this has

887
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.519
become the new thing. We handcuff people who've been bitten

888
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.519
to something and hope for the best, or lock them

889
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.000
in a room.

890
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.480
Yeah, so they can't get to us, and then we

891
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:13.719
maybe we can find a cure.

892
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.000
Yeah, and well or just yeah, we just don't want

893
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.039
to have well and I mean, what are they gonna do, Like,

894
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:20.920
it's not like anybody's got guns or anything, like, they

895
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.039
barely have enough bludging tools, yeah, you know to stop

896
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:24.599
these people.

897
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.159
Well, and it took the like the cop had to

898
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.559
empty the whole clip to kill the old lady.

899
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.480
Well, and then she wasn't even dead.

900
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.039
Yeah, when they go back up there, then she comes back.

901
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.840
She's totally still like hanging out doing stuff. So yeah, no,

902
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.719
it's it's it's not going great luckily for everybody. Men

903
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.639
who is very good at beating the hell out of people,

904
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.360
because he ends up bashing a lot of the zombies

905
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.400
for quite a while. But now you know, the the

906
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.800
the uh people are getting bit left and right, and

907
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.719
the health inspector gets bit and he locks himself behind

908
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.800
a door and just tells them. I think he just

909
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.480
tells them, like get out of here, like good luck,

910
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.039
like I hope you can get out of here or something.

911
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.480
You just basically good luck, like I'm sorry, like I

912
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.800
can't do anything, you know. So now we really do

913
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.519
understand why they're locking this place down, because this is

914
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.199
possibly one of the most infectious ailments known to mankind.

915
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:26.000
Yeah, And what I like is the implication because a

916
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.199
lot of zombie movies there's kind of a it's a

917
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.320
small comfort, but there's a little bit of a comfort

918
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.199
in at least it doesn't like transmit to animals or

919
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.679
transmit across like zoologically so across animals to humans. But

920
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.960
this one it's established that it does, which makes the

921
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.159
threat like even worse because it's like, now there's like

922
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.840
no refuge.

923
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.519
Yeah, well do you you might know this because you

924
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.679
deal with animals. Left. Do you know how long it

925
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.239
takes for rabies to show?

926
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.440
Uh? Isn't it forty eight hours?

927
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:01.199
One to three months?

928
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.679
Oh geez, that's cruel.

929
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.679
But it's cruel, sure, But my point is because the

930
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.280
incubation periods yet thirty ninety days. But my point is

931
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.519
when people describe zombie viruses or whatever, they often describe

932
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.599
them as like rabies. But imagine if rabies set in

933
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.679
in a minute or two. So I feel like if

934
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.360
you sat down with a medical doctor and said, this

935
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.000
is like rabies, but it's faster, and the medical expert

936
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.159
was like, how much faster than they were, like less

937
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.039
than an hour, they would be like, we need to

938
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:46.519
bomb that part of the country, like that cannot get out. Yeah,

939
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.280
Like it's bad enough when there's a Rabi's outbreak anywhere,

940
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.559
But that's insanity and it affects people more aggressively than

941
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.320
rabies because rabies doesn't usually make people hyper aggressive. It

942
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.000
makes us kind of crazy, but smaller animals it seems

943
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.039
to make them very aggressive. And that's in Return of

944
00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.000
Living Dead. That's one of the things that klue Gulliger's

945
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.639
character says on the phoney. He's like, they've gone stark

946
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.280
raven mad and they'll kill you anacha if you try

947
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.400
getting here. It's like Raby's only only faster, like he's

948
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.400
it's I didn't realize just how much faster. But yeah,

949
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.559
So so now we've we've pretty much understood like you're

950
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:25.000
on your own. And one of the characters mentions that

951
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.480
there may be one more way out of the building

952
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.639
because the police have said we've sealed every exit.

953
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.440
Yeah, and they've they've even tried, like they've they've gone

954
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.599
like down in like pat like the sub basement and

955
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:41.400
like tried to get out that way, and they've they've

956
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.960
tried different windows and like there's no getting out.

957
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:48.360
But it turns out there may be it was some

958
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.079
kind of event, not like a like not e vent

959
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:57.599
but like a drainage thing if I'm remembering correctly. I

960
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.519
can't remember exactly what we said, but basically it was

961
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.599
like down in the uh like in the sub basement,

962
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.519
there was like a thing you can go through and

963
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.239
it would lead to the sewer, yeah, basically, and that

964
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.199
it's locked because it isn't a way to get in.

965
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.519
So they're like, well, we have to get the keys,

966
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:20.000
and they're in the superintendent's apartment. So now the new

967
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.559
mission is to try like hell to find those keys.

968
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.639
And now the movie enters. It's like, holy shit, this

969
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.840
is badass and insane and scary. Phase.

970
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.840
Yeah, it kind of by the third act, it feels

971
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.159
less like a found footage movie and way more like

972
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:38.000
a rail shooter.

973
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.800
That's a very fair way to put except without any shooting.

974
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:46.280
Yeah, yeah, zero shooter. So a raal basher, I'll call

975
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.960
it that. I'll allow it, and we'll we'll dive into

976
00:55:50.000 --> 00:56:04.280
the extra gory details right after this. So they make

977
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.760
it to the They keep calling it landlord, but I

978
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.280
think it's a translation issue. I think they mean like

979
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.079
a superintendent because they never he never mentions owning the building.

980
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.960
He just in fact, he says he's an intern who

981
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.239
is the landlord while he's in medical school. Yeah, So

982
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:25.000
they get into his apartment and they find the keys,

983
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.320
this big key ring and the entire way up to

984
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.679
this apartment was just a battle from hell, like you said,

985
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.639
like a rail fighter kind of deal. And this is

986
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:40.519
where we like to mention. Manu just starts whooping ass

987
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.360
the firefighter that's still alive. He is just like snapping

988
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.679
necks and stuff, like he's really laying in And at

989
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.920
one point Pablo even gets in there and like saves

990
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.920
Manu and then they both just like pill this zombie thing.

991
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.800
Another really great moment was a Angela gets grabbed at

992
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.400
one point and she's positive she's bitten, and Manu has

993
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.280
to tell her over and over, like, you haven't been bitten.

994
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.639
I don't see a bite. You're okay, You're okay, which

995
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.199
I've got to be honest, that would happen to me

996
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.239
in a zombie apocalypse. It's like hearing a bunch of

997
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.360
bats and then thinking they're in near hair. You know

998
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.559
it just if I scuffled or even bumped into a

999
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.280
zombie like me and pit me, you know, like it

1000
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.320
would be the first thought, you know, it just be oh,

1001
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.559
got it bit me and bit me? So uh, they

1002
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.880
are just you know, bashing their way up. But as

1003
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:32.199
after they get out of.

1004
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:38.159
The the superintendent's apartment, with the keys. Pretty much immediately

1005
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.000
we lose man U to the zombie threat. There's just

1006
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:45.039
too many of them. And the only thing that Pablo

1007
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.360
and Angela can do is go into the penthouse, Yeah,

1008
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.480
which they've been told no one lives there. I think

1009
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.519
was that the guy they said he spends all his

1010
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.199
time in Madrid? Yeah, yeah, he said, like, oh that

1011
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.119
the guy who owns that the penthouse. He's always he's

1012
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.960
a guy from Madrid. He's like never here. Yeah, And

1013
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.320
they go in there and sure enough, it's empty, but

1014
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.239
it's really decrepit and weird. It is.

1015
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.079
Yeah, it is not necessarily what one would anticipate when

1016
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:14.280
you hear.

1017
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.039
Penthouse because it's a luxury apartment.

1018
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:24.280
Well it may have one time, at one time been

1019
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.400
a luxury apartment, sure, but now there's like papers tacked

1020
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:31.639
up all over.

1021
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.039
The wall, and like, for the record, I mean, it

1022
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.840
does have a very specific definition. A penthouse is a

1023
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.719
luxury apartment or residence located on the top floor of

1024
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:42.239
a building.

1025
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:43.559
Okay, so it's.

1026
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.519
The entire top floor, that's what makes it a penthouse.

1027
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.039
Yeah, you and I were discussing that.

1028
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.719
Yeah, I thought it was just that it was a

1029
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.679
floor of its own, but I guess it has to

1030
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:54.760
be the top floor, which makes sense because they're trying

1031
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.239
to get out and they've realized there's no way we're

1032
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.119
getting down to where supposedly that exit is because it's

1033
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.320
nothing but zombie down that way.

1034
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.599
Yeah, so if we can't go down, let's go up.

1035
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.639
That's a move. So but as they're they're looking through

1036
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.719
this place, and you mentioned there were like newspaper clippings

1037
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.559
all over, and as they're kind of scanning through everything,

1038
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.239
they start to notice that the newspaper clippings are all

1039
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:26.519
about the same little girl, yeah, who was reported by

1040
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:33.280
the Vatican to be potentially possessed by some kind of

1041
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.199
demon And her name is Tristiana Mediros and she's a

1042
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.199
Portuguese girl who was very very ill and also believed

1043
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:45.320
to be a demonic demonically possessed. And as we go

1044
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.880
through his space and look at the things, there's like

1045
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:55.320
chemistry stuff everywhere, and crosses and photographs and these newspaper

1046
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.880
clippings very very catholic, which you'd expect from a Spanish movie.

1047
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.119
But it becomes very clear that this person is obsessed

1048
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:09.719
for whatever reason, with this little girl being demonically possessed

1049
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.519
and is trying to cure it in some way or

1050
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:19.880
or something. Then they find an audio tape recorder and

1051
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.480
they listen to it. They rewind it and listen to

1052
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.159
different parts of it, and basically it's revealed that this

1053
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:33.360
ailment or this demonic possession has basically mutated into an

1054
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:38.960
infectious disease. So the concept is that from my understanding,

1055
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.400
the way I've understood it from watching it a few times,

1056
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.719
is that it is not that it is a disease

1057
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.519
mistaken for demonic possession. It is that is demonic possession

1058
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.679
that has turned itself into a mute disease. That's what

1059
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:54.199
I understand.

1060
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.360
Yeah, that's what I got to And I thought that

1061
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.840
was such a weird and interesting twist because I've never

1062
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.719
heard anything quite like that before.

1063
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:10.039
I mean, it makes perfect sense when you're talking, you know, uh, revelation,

1064
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.400
you know, the end of the absolute end of the

1065
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.400
world apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, apocalypse. That that's when it starts

1066
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:18.440
to make sense, like, oh, yeah, I guess that would uh,

1067
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:20.840
that would cause an apocalypse, wouldn't it.

1068
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.039
Yeah, kind of a little bit so.

1069
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.599
But but as they're kind of looking around and trying

1070
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.000
to figure out like, what is this guy on about?

1071
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.559
Like he seems crazy? But then they're hearing this stuff

1072
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.320
and and it gets a little cheesy with them, kind

1073
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:40.639
of salt like putting things together. But she's a journalist

1074
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.480
and they're trying to figure out what's going on, so

1075
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:47.199
I'll give it to him. But then in the tape

1076
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:51.119
he says something that catches their attention pretty pretty quickly,

1077
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:56.840
which is that Tristiana is supposedly in the penthouse m hm,

1078
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:03.360
and that she won die, and that he that as

1079
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:07.199
that tape is being recorded, he is attempting to kill

1080
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:13.000
her to stop the infection and and free her, and

1081
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.280
that there's only one way to do it, and it

1082
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.320
requires a whole ritual. Yeah, and that hopefully the ritual

1083
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.440
will be successful, they'll be able to do it, it'll work,

1084
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:28.119
and Tristiana will be dead and the illness will be

1085
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:34.480
dead with her. And as becomes obvious when they hear

1086
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:41.800
something in the apartment, it does not appear that the

1087
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.280
ritual worked. Also, now the light on the camera is busted,

1088
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.960
And this is one of the earlier examples of just

1089
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:59.079
out and out infrared camera FU like NAS because I

1090
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.800
feel like before paranormal activity really put it into horror

1091
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.679
movies a lot, or made it happen to where that

1092
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.119
was happening a lot before that. It was really just

1093
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.719
from ghost Hunter shows. Yeah, you know there's a lot

1094
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:14.480
of ghost Hunter shows. Did that. So now everything is

1095
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:20.800
green and looks all night visiony and.

1096
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.119
And Angela can't see anything because she's not looking through

1097
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:22.599
the camera.

1098
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:29.079
No, and now Justiana is ready to make her appearance

1099
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:43.039
right after this. So as they're trying to figure out

1100
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.840
how to get out, there's a hatch in the ceiling

1101
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.480
and Pablo bravely decides to check it out, and that's

1102
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.000
what breaks the light in the final time, because the

1103
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:53.840
light's busted a couple of times and it's the only

1104
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.840
light they have. He falls out of there after seeing

1105
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:00.800
a brief glimpse of Tristiana, who is a like how

1106
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.400
would you describe like a slender monster?

1107
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:11.280
Yeah, things, slender wraith like yeah, hag like yeah, it's fir.

1108
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:17.159
Reminded me very much of the creature in Barbarian. Oh okay,

1109
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.159
not quite as like giant, but you know kind of that,

1110
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:27.079
you know, bony and kind of yeah gaunt, look I.

1111
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.639
Guess well yeah, yeah, it was like impossibly long arms,

1112
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:32.880
and legs and it's just kind of looking around, and

1113
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.519
it's extra scary because you realize this is supposed to

1114
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.599
be like a little girl who's like nine years old.

1115
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.280
Yeah, and this is what it's kind of mutated her into.

1116
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.000
Yeah. Yeah, So now they're they're stuck in there, but

1117
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.239
the only benefit they have is that it's pitch black,

1118
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.079
and therefore, if they can be quiet, maybe they can

1119
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:56.480
get away from Tatiana. And this sequence is extra creepy

1120
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.519
because when they were filming it, the actors couldn't see.

1121
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:03.679
It was really done in the dark with with a

1122
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.960
you know, a night vision so you can see the actors. Like.

1123
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.239
It's one thing I've noticed when you look at people

1124
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.239
with night vision, is there they you don't realize how

1125
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.280
wide you open your eyes to try it to see

1126
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:14.800
in the dark.

1127
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:15.440
Yeah.

1128
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.599
So when we see Angela, her eyes are just like

1129
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.000
all the way open trying to see what's going on,

1130
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.000
and Pablo is trying to like get a hold of her,

1131
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.079
but also tell her to be quiet because this thing

1132
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:28.159
is here. And overall, I think it holds up pretty well.

1133
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.519
I mean, it's definitely a CGI monster. Yeah, but they

1134
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.400
don't they don't show it, so often that it loses

1135
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.039
its omph. Yeah, but also they keep the threat alive.

1136
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.559
I think, oh no, they do a great job keeping

1137
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.719
the threat alive because you know, it's it's kind of

1138
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.000
the you know, the the old saying with horror like

1139
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.679
less is more so it's doing it a kindness that

1140
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.599
they keep the monster like mostly in the shadows and

1141
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:58.320
you only see brief glimpses of it, and the way

1142
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:04.480
they the way they have Pablo, because because Angela has

1143
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:09.760
been so competent throughout the whole movie, she's she's not

1144
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.760
necessarily like gung ho throwing herself into danger, but she

1145
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.800
is definitely like tenacious and she's tough, and this is

1146
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.159
like kind of the moment where she's really breaking and

1147
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:25.039
Pablo does a really good job of like comforting her

1148
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.559
and trying to get her to stay quiet and being like, no,

1149
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.559
we can get through this. But the whole time there's

1150
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:36.440
this monster in the shadow like looming behind them, just

1151
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.960
like trying to hunt them down. It's really well executed.

1152
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.039
Yeah, it's it's super tense. It takes its time, but

1153
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.400
not too much because this movie really has just a

1154
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:54.800
fever pace as everything just kind of snowballs and This

1155
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.480
is where I think the movie, like wins Me Over

1156
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:04.079
is the ending's not too silly. But after they make

1157
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:09.119
too much sound, Pablo gets not it gets killed. We

1158
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.000
don't see anything really, but we know he's killed. The

1159
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:17.039
camera falls to the ground, and then eventually it gets

1160
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.840
quiet and we see Angela crawling toward the camera. Yeah,

1161
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:22.599
Like we see her on the ground, and I can

1162
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.559
only assume she's crawling toward it because she can see

1163
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:25.920
the light coming off of the.

1164
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.440
Like the recording light or something.

1165
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:30.599
Or the light coming out of it because it's pitch black,

1166
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.480
so the camera can see. So that means that the

1167
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:34.800
viewfinder would have to be bright.

1168
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:36.519
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so.

1169
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.599
I would assume that it's shining light off It might

1170
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.280
even be like reflecting off the wall because there's no

1171
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.159
eye against the eyepiece to catch the light.

1172
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:44.400
Yeah.

1173
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.239
And as she's crawling toward it, we hear, you know,

1174
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.280
a monstery sound, and she gets dragged away from the

1175
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.119
camera off into the darkness. What a solid way to

1176
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.599
end it, What an image to grab you very creepy.

1177
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.800
I think it works, you know, phenomenally.

1178
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:06.599
Well, Oh it really does, It really does.

1179
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.679
And I was very happy with it. With that ending,

1180
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.679
I thought it it scared the hell out of me

1181
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:13.679
and kept me creeped out.

1182
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:20.720
Oh absolutely, I there's a in horror movies, there's oftentimes

1183
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:24.840
like a point of nowork return where you're like, okay,

1184
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.840
this won't have a happy ending, like no matter what happens,

1185
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:31.640
like I don't think this is I don't think they're

1186
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.760
going to be able to all pull through. And this one,

1187
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.800
you know, had that kind of that feeling of Okay,

1188
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.880
I know that this isn't going to have a happy

1189
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.960
ending because like most of the people that we cared

1190
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:51.079
about in the beginning are dead already, but maybe, you know,

1191
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.119
maybe they can pull through, because again, Pablo and Angela

1192
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:02.560
seem like pretty competent. And having having it end the

1193
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:06.119
way it did, you know, Pablo dying and then Angela

1194
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.319
trying to get the camera and her getting pulled into

1195
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.880
the darkness, it didn't feel dour to me because there

1196
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.600
was so much mystery about what was actually going on.

1197
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:22.640
It It felt like the perfect ending because there was

1198
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:26.079
enough for me as an audience member to still have

1199
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:29.680
questions without feeling like I got cheated on it, you.

1200
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:33.159
Know, Okay, I mean, well, I mean that's just kind

1201
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.880
of the method yeah with found footage movies is there

1202
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:40.840
should be questions left unanswered because the camera doesn't see everything.

1203
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:45.920
It's not possible for it too. And I think, yeah,

1204
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.840
I think that's what really, what really cemented it was

1205
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:52.159
that that dragaway ending is really perfect and it's kind

1206
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.600
of like when you see her crawling with that massive

1207
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.920
black space behind her, that's your biggest fear is you're like, ah, man,

1208
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.479
you're just gonna get dragged away into the into the void.

1209
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:07.800
And then she does. Yeah, and it's a very a

1210
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:12.039
very sticking image. And uh, we're gonna take a quick

1211
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.359
break and we'll give our final uh you know, thoughts

1212
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.680
on REC and talk about what we're gonna be covering

1213
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:33.319
next time right after this. So I do want to

1214
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.960
say one of my favorite elements of REC that isn't

1215
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.199
about the movie. I mean it is, but it isn't

1216
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:43.640
is a big respect to Pablo because Pablo was played

1217
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.560
by Pablo Rosso, who was the actual director of photography

1218
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.760
of the film. Oh damn, I don't know. I should

1219
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.399
have double checked. I don't know if he's a director

1220
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:57.000
of photography. Otherwise I believe he is. I believe they

1221
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.199
literally had a director of photography play yep, yeah, he's

1222
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.159
a cinematographer in Spain.

1223
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:04.000
Awesome.

1224
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:09.439
So they literally had a cinematographer play the cameraman in

1225
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:11.800
the film, which we never see his face. We only

1226
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.840
see like his legs a little bit in that one scene.

1227
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.640
Oh wow, he's wow. He's a shot a lot of films,

1228
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:20.880
over fifty films.

1229
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.920
Oh, good for him.

1230
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.039
Yeah, he just shot the uh, the Return to Silent Hill,

1231
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:28.279
which a lot of people didn't like. That must have

1232
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:33.520
been shot in Spain anyway, very interesting. Yeah, yeahs quite

1233
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.960
a career, still working. So but I just thought that

1234
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:39.279
was a cool little element. No that.

1235
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.920
Sorry about that. Yeah, I don't don't know what that was. No,

1236
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.760
it's really cool that they got, you know, an actual

1237
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:52.279
cinematographer too, you know, to play that character. Something that

1238
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:56.479
we had discussed and I found it interesting. You know,

1239
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.760
oftentimes in found footage it's just easier to have the

1240
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:03.279
careacters be named whatever the actors are named. Yeah, so

1241
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.399
I did. I did realize as I was reading the

1242
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.279
you know, all of the lists of actors, I was like, oh, Pablo,

1243
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.000
any place Pablo. That is nice and convenient.

1244
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.199
Well, he was also the director of photography on all

1245
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:19.479
of the Rex sequels really, and I'm pretty sure his

1246
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.560
character doesn't return, so I mean it's just uh, yeah,

1247
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.000
he became a part of the team.

1248
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.359
Oh good for him. Yeah, because I was trying not

1249
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.640
to spoil anything for myself, but I did see that

1250
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.399
Angela appears to come back in the sequel.

1251
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.960
Yeah, that's a massive spoiler because those are like super surprises.

1252
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.119
Oh well, then I shouldn't even I shouldn't have even

1253
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:39.600
said that.

1254
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:42.199
Well, I meant for you, it ruined your chances. I mean,

1255
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.880
we're just here to ruin everything.

1256
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:46.279
Ruin everything for everyone.

1257
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.800
That's the plan. Yeah, so I've pretty much went into it.

1258
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:51.319
So what are your final thoughts.

1259
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:55.840
On reck I loved it. I think that of the

1260
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.920
found footage films that we've reviewed so far, it's definitely

1261
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:04.159
way up there on my list now. And you know,

1262
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.119
if someone were to say to me, like, I've never

1263
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:08.920
seen a found footage movie, which one, you know, which

1264
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.760
one would you recommend? I would probably recommend, you know,

1265
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.199
either Blair Witch Project or rec you know, would be

1266
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.840
at the top of my list because I love Cloverfield.

1267
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.239
But I just feel like those, you know, those two

1268
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.039
really give you the heart and soul of what found

1269
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:28.560
footage can be.

1270
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.039
Okay, So I could see that.

1271
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:34.000
Yeah, and I think that of all of the found

1272
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.560
footage films that we've discussed so far, I think rec

1273
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:40.319
does have the like the strongest premise of why they

1274
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:41.199
would keep filming.

1275
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.880
Yeah, I could see that. You really need to see

1276
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:50.199
the sequels because they're all really good and they definitely

1277
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.319
pull you in very intensely.

1278
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.600
Well, that's a good excuse for us to watch them.

1279
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.239
Then, yeah, maybe we need I need to rewatch The

1280
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.039
Bay too. That might be a good one for this show.

1281
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.840
I feel like The Bay was really scary. That wasn't

1282
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.439
In fact, we watched it together. We watched it years ago.

1283
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:12.439
So uh, yeah, there's there's a lot of interesting found

1284
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:14.720
footage territory to scrape.

1285
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.039
Yeah, we've hardly scratched the surface.

1286
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.520
Well, we've been on quite the found footage sojourn. So

1287
01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:24.560
it looks like you were telling me off, Mike, you

1288
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.680
want to wrap that up? So well, yeah, you.

1289
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:30.520
Were, you were Well, I was just thinking, like, well,

1290
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:34.600
we don't want to blow our whole found footage load

1291
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:35.920
all at once.

1292
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.359
You just said there's like a limitless amount of them,

1293
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:40.960
So you're now you're contradicting yourself.

1294
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.079
I didn't say limitless.

1295
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.680
There's a lot you said. We hadn't scraped the surface.

1296
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:48.479
That's just a lot. Ah man, Yeah, you got to

1297
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.760
watch what you say. People might actually listen.

1298
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.399
Yeah, well that's their fault. They really shouldn't do that.

1299
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.479
So well, we do want to mention. You can email

1300
01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:59.960
us at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. We'd love

1301
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.279
to hear your thoughts on the films we've talked about,

1302
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:06.479
or recommendations for films we should talk about. We're always

1303
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:08.760
happy to hear from you guys. So do you want

1304
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.159
to tell people what next? The next show we're going

1305
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.479
to be talking about, because this one is one that

1306
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.560
I felt bad I'd almost forgotten as one we should cover,

1307
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.000
and I think it's it's a pretty solid one.

1308
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.359
So next week we're going to be doing the Houses

1309
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:27.960
October Built.

1310
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.119
From twenty fourteen. You want to say the year twenty

1311
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:33.520
fourteen so people can know what we're talking about. But yeah,

1312
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.800
the house is October Built. It's a film I really

1313
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:40.159
I really enjoyed and it definitely got to me. It's

1314
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.680
a found footage film that takes place in Haunted. It's

1315
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:47.079
a found footage film about people making a documentary about haunts.

1316
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.039
You know about you know, haunted houses for Halloween time

1317
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:54.840
and stuff, places where you charge What was that face?

1318
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.720
Undershow I get the title?

1319
01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:57.000
Now?

1320
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:58.159
The house is October.

1321
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.319
I already told you it was haunted housing.

1322
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.720
You did, but I didn't draw the connection. I was

1323
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:05.159
just like, Oh, that's a pretty string of words. And

1324
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:07.840
then I realized, like, oh, houses October built because like

1325
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:09.359
Halloween's on in October.

1326
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.560
This is that like a cute se way of saying

1327
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.960
you weren't listening, Like, that's a pretty string of words.

1328
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.479
I guess listening and processing. I was listening, It's just

1329
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.800
the gears didn't start turning until I.

1330
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.520
Don't think that. I think that means not listening. Okay,

1331
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.279
but uh, and then we're going to follow that up

1332
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.319
with Hell House LLC. Which now do you figure that

1333
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:32.920
one out too?

1334
01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:38.399
I think so House LLC Limited Liability corporation. Oh, that's

1335
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:40.600
what that means business. Oh.

1336
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.199
But those are two films that came out a year

1337
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:47.920
apart from each other. They're very similar concepts. Both spawned

1338
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.760
some sequels of the Houses of October Bilt. Houses October

1339
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.199
Bilt had one sequel, and Hell House I think just

1340
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:56.239
had its fifth film. Oh wow, they're still cranking them out,

1341
01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.000
and I'm not a huge fan of the later ones,

1342
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.479
but I really do love of the first one of

1343
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.119
both of those quite a bit. It is available to

1344
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:09.520
watch free on Zoomo Play, Pluto TV, and Plex, or

1345
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.600
you can watch it with your AMC Plus subscription or

1346
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.079
rent it on any of the many places you rent movies.

1347
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.680
So that is your homework to watch the houses October

1348
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.319
built so you can have a little Halloween in the

1349
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:22.119
middle of the summer.

1350
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.760
Yeah, who doesn't want a little Halloween in June?

1351
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.399
I mean living proof of it? I guess June Aween,

1352
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.560
well you ruined it. But with that said, is there

1353
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:39.159
anything else you want to say about rec or about

1354
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.199
your current education and Defound Footage.

1355
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:48.399
I'm just really enjoying my found footage education getting fleshed out.

1356
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.760
I really enjoy it as a horror medium and as

1357
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:57.800
a storytelling storytelling medium in general, So I'm really looking

1358
01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:59.159
forward to the next two.

1359
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.319
All right, Well, with that all being said, I guess

1360
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:07.600
all that's left to do is head out of here.

1361
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:09.439
But thank you guys so much for listening to cutting

1362
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.439
deep into horror here at Weekly Spooky. We do appreciate

1363
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.760
you spending this time with us. If you love what

1364
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.119
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1365
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.319
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1366
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.079
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1367
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.079
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1368
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.640
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1369
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.880
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1370
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.640
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1375
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1376
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:52.880
back very soon to talk about the houses October built

1377
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.119
and the film of that name as well. So until then,

1378
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:05.119
we'll see you next time, Stay Spooky Days.