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June 5, 2026

Cutting Deep Into Horror | REC (2007) | Found Footage Horror & Spanish Zombie Terror

Cutting Deep Into Horror | REC (2007) | Found Footage Horror & Spanish Zombie Terror
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

REC (2007) found-footage horror gets the Cutting Deep Into Horror treatment as Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi lock themselves inside one of the most terrifying Spanish horror movies ever made. Directed by Jaume Balagueró and Paco Plaza, REC is a lean, relentless Spanish zombie horror classic that follows a TV reporter and her cameraman into a Barcelona apartment building where a routine emergency call becomes a sealed-off nightmare.
In this episode, Henrique and Rachael dig into why REC still feels so scary, eerie, immediate, and brutally effective nearly two decades later. From the firehouse ride-along setup to the escalating quarantine, from the infected attacks to the unforgettable night-vision finale, this is a movie that understands exactly how to use shaky-camera chaos without losing the audience.
Inside this episode:
• Why REC works so well as found-footage horror—and why the news-crew setup makes the camera feel natural instead of forced.
• The apartment building as a horror trap: claustrophobic hallways, locked exits, frightened residents, and a quarantine that keeps tightening.
• Spanish zombie horror versus American remake energy, including comparisons to Quarantine and why the original feels rawer and more dangerous.
• The Tristana Medeiros reveal and the movie’s shift from outbreak horror into something more demonic, strange, and unforgettable.
• Why the night-vision climax remains one of the most iconic endings in modern found-footage horror.
• Henrique and Rachael’s final thoughts on why REC remains one of the strongest found-footage films they have covered.
REC was reportedly produced on a roughly $2.1 million budget and earned about $23 million worldwide, making it a major international success for Spanish horror and one of the defining found-footage films of the 2000s.

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Oh man, don't know.

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Please, hey, Rachel, please point the camera? Okay, am I

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in focus? Is this good? That's good? Like right here,

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I feel like it's kind of a flat wall that

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we're filming against. I know it would be better to

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have like a corner for geometry, but I feel like

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that's gonna be.

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A good The only corner is over there, and there's

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like a group of people over there that may eat us.

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If you're going to offer problems, you need to follow

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with solutions. It's fine. So uh, okay, is there anything

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in my teeth? Is my because last time I did it,

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my part was not right. I was very upset.

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Oh well, I mean okay, I guess I guess I

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could use.

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A little bit word sir, Sir, we're trying to do

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a news piece here. Don't worry about him.

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Okay, well, yeah, I guess do that.

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Don't lick your hand and touch my hair. You're not

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my mother.

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Okay. The light over here is a little bit better,

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so if you want to stand here, Also, you're less

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likely to die. So well, we're all gonna die, I mean,

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like imminently.

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Yeah, that's what I mean too.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I'm,

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of course, your host Enrique Kuto here with my co

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host Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel, how are you doing. I'm doing good,

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good good. You almost said how are you? Didn't you almost? Yeah?

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I caught that one.

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Yeah, but I stopped myself.

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That's good. I didn't have a Have you ever been

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at like the movie theater or something and somebody says like,

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enjoy the movie, you go, you too?

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And then you're like, oh, I don't like at a

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restaurant when they're like, enjoy your order and your dinner,

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you too.

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Oh God, I guess I'll have to skip down and.

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Now I've gotta gotta leave forever. Yes times yeah, well,

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well good, I guess. Well. Tonight we're talking about a

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horror film that I have been a huge fan of

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for quite a while. From two thousand and seven. It's

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yet another found footage movie. We've been kind of on

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a tear with found footage movies. So it's two thousand

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and seven's Wreck, but that's spelled R E C like Horde,

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and this has caused a lot of problems. I loved

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that movie. And one time I was talking to a

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friend of mine about horror movies we liked and found

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footage movies, and he kept talking about REC. And I

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had no idea what he was talking about, because I,

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you know, watched the movie and you only read the title.

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because REC was really good, and I'm like, I haven't

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seen that one. He was like, oh, yeah, that's a

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zombie movie in there in Spain, and I was like,

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like REC like Record. He was like yeah, and I

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was like, oh my god. So but it is available

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to watch totally free with ads on two B TV.

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a quick jaunts, it's short run time, it's under eighty

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minutes long, it's seventy eight minutes, and it zooms by.

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It is really fun, really aggressive, great scares, and I've

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always loved this one, so I'm I'm pumped that I

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got to show it to you and to talk about

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it a little bit today. And yeah, but before we

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do that, I understand you wanted to talk about geek

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Out because it's coming right up as the next next weekend. R.

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Yeah, geek Out is next weekend. It is June eleventh

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through fourteenth, and it is in College Corner. This is

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the one thing that I didn't have pulled up. It's

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in College Corner and there it is at eighty five

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oh one Camden College Corner Road. It's just outside of

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like Oxford area, and it's real cool. A music festival

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slash geek festival. They've got all sorts of musical artists.

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They have a larp trail. They're going to have a

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board game room and a video game room so you

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can like participate in different competitions they've got going on.

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They've got a cosplay competition going on all weekend. So yeah,

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June eleventh through fourteen.

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street address that no one's going to remember, but didn't

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give the address. Everybody needs the web address. The web address,

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that's where they can find all of the information.

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Thank you. If you go out to geek Out Festival

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dot com, then you can find the tickets and you

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can find out all the information.

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And did you mention you will be there?

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I will be there. That's what we let up. Okay,

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next weekend, I'm going to.

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Maybe I just said next weekend was when the event was.

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I don't think I said it was that you were

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going to be there. So I just want to make

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sure it was very clear that there's a reason to

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check it out. If you happen to be in the

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southern Ohio or southern Indiana or northern Kentucky sort of area,

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you might want to check out geek Out. It definitely

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is a really fun time. It is like a little

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bit burning Man, a little bit you know, Star Trek convention. Yeah,

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Lord of the Rings convention more so, not not quite

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as cool as a Star Trek, but yeah, and you

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said geek out Festival dot com.

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Geek out Festival dot com.

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So I often forget that other people it's not as

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easy to do plugs for them. For whatever reason. I

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I maybe it maybe it's from my professional wrestling training,

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but I'm just I'm like, give me three bullet points

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about this event. All right, I got it leading you.

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I definitely think that it's the Carnie Salesman in you.

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were taught to cut promos, which is the interviews you

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do on the microphone, I mean, promos are literally just

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telling people where to go and what time the show

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starts and when, and then the rest is whatever, you know,

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whatever you're talking about, you know, so, you know, so

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and so thought they got the best of us, but

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they did not. And Saturday June fourth, at the Coliseum

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outside of Kent, Ohio, We're going to take you down

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it stuff like that. It was just that was always

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you had to say where it was, when it was.

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You didn't always have to say the bell time. Usually

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they would leave that to the actual promotion. But yeah,

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telling people where to go and when was always really important.

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So yeah, you just kind of become second nature to

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some extent. But speaking of nature, rec is not necessarily

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that much of a nature kind of thing, no, or

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maybe I'm wrong, But it's interesting too because when we

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talked about paranormal activity last week, right, was that what

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we did last week? And when I brought up rec

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rec was done the year before. Yeah, so it wasn't

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quite It wasn't quite smack dab in the middle of

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like a big paranormal or not paranormal but big found

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footage trend. The trend wasn't really going very hard yet,

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and these filmmakers home but I got out Ghetto and

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Paco Plaza, who directed it, was a directing team when

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they put the film together. It was probably more out

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of budget necessity, although Wreck at least reportedly had a

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sizeable budget. Really the claim on Wikipedia, which is which

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is weird because it says top ten lowest budget horror

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movies of all time, But they're claiming two million dollars.

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That wouldn't make it anywhere near the lowest budget horror

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movie of all time. Yeah, thanks for nothing Forbes. I

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can't imagine it would cost two million dollars to be

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completely frank, But so where because they're claiming that that's

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the source of that number, or maybe that's no Wreck

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the best zombie film of found footage two million dollar

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budget masterpiece. Why would they say that. They literally talk

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about movies with way lower budgets throughout the entire piece.

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Maybe it did cost two million or two million. I

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doubt it, but it could have. But its box office

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is what's impressive. It did thirty two point five million

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dollars at the box office, mostly in Europe, and that's

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just not that common. Yeah, for a film, a small

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European film, to make that kind of box office money

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is pretty unheard of. It's very similar to what happened

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with One Cut of the Dead, although that was reported

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as much much, much cheaper. But it made stupid money

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at the box office just in Japan alone. And Japan's

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not the biggest country in the world, you know, and

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it's actually relatively small island. So yeah, So I mean

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it hit and it hit hard and became, you know,

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kind of synonymous with kind of if you know, you know,

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like in the no Found Footage movies. I mean the

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box set I have because it spawned three sequels, so

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there's four wreck movies. And that box set was put

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out by Shout Factory Screen Factory, which is one of

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the bigger distributors of horror movies, so it definitely has fans.

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Yeah out there. No, that's that's pretty amazing that Shout

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Factory put it out. I mean, I guess that kind

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of makes sense though, considering that they are like one

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of the big big guys.

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mean hundreds and to prialy thousands of horror movies by now. Yeah,

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but they handled the box set and it's a great

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box set. So I'm proud to have it in my collection.

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I hadn't even opened it. I mean, I bought it

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because I I don't to be completely honest, I don't

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know if I've seen Reck four. I think I had

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not seen that one, but I love two and three.

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They were really good, so I snapped it up right away.

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watching Reck that it's got sequels, and you really feel

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that the sequels are very strong, Oh yeah, which is

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kind of like hit or miss with horror sequels, you

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can never really judge what you're going to get. Generally,

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it's a good time, but that doesn't mean that you're

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always getting like the same caliber as the first movie.

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So I'm very curious to try and check out the

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sequels eventually, because I really enjoyed this one.

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At least, say try When I just said I own them,

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it's not like it's gonna be hard to get them.

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But some of you out there listening may be familiar

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with the American, big budget American remake of Wreck that

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came out in two thousand and eight, so wow, really

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soon after about a year later, Yeah, that is twelve

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million dollar remake which did forty one million at the

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box office, so it was a modest hit. It was

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called Quarantine, and it starred Jennifer Carpenter, who at that

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time was hot on the success of the TV series

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Dexter because she played Deborah Morgan, Dexter's sister on the show.

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And Quarantine was pretty good, and I liked Quarantine. That

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had its own sequel, Quarantine to Terminal, which I liked

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that one as well. It wasn't bad. But I think

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that that first WREC movie really stands out in particular

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because it has a rawness and a simplicity about it

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that really pulled me in. So but we'll take a

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quick break and when we get back, we'll talk about

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our first impressions of the film. Right after this. So,

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the first time I watched Rec was on a streaming

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service and it might have been Netflix. I feel like

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it might have been one of their early foreign pickups,

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because that's one thing I've always appreciated about Netflix is

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the very interesting like foreign films you can get on there,

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and foreign series and things like that. And it was

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either there, it might have been Amazon like the earliest

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days of now it wouldn't have been Prime. Maybe it

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could have been maybe Hulu, or maybe I rented it.

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I really wish I remembered exactly what brought it on

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my radar, but I remember being just smacked down by

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it because it was it was so energetic, it had

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such great scares. I felt like it wasn't afraid to

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be simple, although toward the end they throw a lot

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at you to kind of make it all make sense maybe,

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and then the monster reveal at the end is nuts,

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but it's highly memorable and they don't I don't feel

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like they overdid it. Yeah, And of course one of

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the most important elements of a found footage movie the

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ending works. Yes, the last moment is like whoe and

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then it's over, and that's something that you should you

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should always aspire to as a found footage film. So

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those are my two cents. On my first time I

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watched Reck and it became immediately just kind of a

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synonymous win great found footage movies title for me, and

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then I remember a year or two later, you know,

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I think the reason I'm struggling to remember exactly how

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I saw the first film is because I'm trying not

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to be confused with when I watched the remake. The

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remake might have been on Netflix or Hulu. It's hard

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for me because they are I mean, they're very similar

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in I mean they're very like, it's not like a

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remake and name only by any stretch. They used a

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lot of the the elements. Okay, so it'd be it'd

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be worth watching. I'd love to show it to you.

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I think you'd get a real kick out of it

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and be fascinated by like the changes they made and

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things like that. But for you, you just watched it,

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you know, a few days ago. Yeah, so for the

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first time. So what was your your first thought as

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the film rolled on? Because I know that you We've

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talked about this before, but like a lot of your expectation,

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like a lot of how you watch a movie is

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based on the expectations that are set from either the

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way it's told to you you know what it's like,

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or the title you know, if you hear, like, you know,

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if a movie has the title blood Drenched Orgy and

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then it opens up with like a family picnic on Easter,

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You're like, you're gonna be like like really paying attention

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because like, okay, but there's gonna be a blood drenched

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orgy because the titles called blood drenched orgy. So therefore

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I'm like, where are we going? How is this coming up?

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But that can be similar when you put on a

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found footage movie and you know it's a found footage

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horror movie, and then all of a sudden, the movie

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starts up and we see this woman who is a

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like a small town news newsperson, a small town journalist.

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I forget. I don't think they ever said where it

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took place. Oh, no, it's in Barcelona.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, the emergency guys all have

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like Barcelona.

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Yeah, yeah it was Barcelona. It's funny because to them,

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they're calling Barcelona small, but like they are only really

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two cities we know, like on average in Spain, and

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that's Madrid and Barcelona. So I would not assume Barcelona

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to be so like small because they kept like dis

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you know, discounting it as local TV, and like, you know,

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there's like, oh, it's a local thing. It's a local thing,

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so I guess for something in my brain was like, well,

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it can't be a name brand Spanish city, you know,

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or Spanish town or whatever you want to call it.

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So okay, so they're in Barcelona. That makes it a

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lot easier because again one of the two I really know.

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Yeah, easy to remember exactly, but we we see so

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we notice immediately that they're in Spain and she is

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following the she's following firefighters, so that's what you're seeing.

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But as you're seeing that, you you know, this is

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a found footage horror movie and you've even been told

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it's really good and scary. So what was it like

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as you because it feels almost like when you have

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the preface of like, you know, Paranormal Activity or whatever,

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a title like that, or you know The Gallows or

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you know, although that wasn't the best found footage movie

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in the world, but a good title. But when you

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hear those titles and then it just cuts to something

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as mundane as like we're doing a report on firefighting,

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You're like, oh, man, when does when does it all

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go to hell? So that what you found yourself doing.

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No, that was exactly it. Because the moment it started

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and they introduced I think her name is Angela is

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the reporter's name.

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Uh, I don't know why she's not listed it. Oh yeah,

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no Angela.

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But the moment, the moment she like was talking to

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the camera, well specifically the cameraman, and she was, you know,

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like introducing her segment, uh, while you were sleeping.

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While You're Sleeping, which is hilarious because that's the name

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of a movie that I'm sure that they have seen.

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You know, there's a romantic comedy called while You're Sleeping.

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So nice little reference there, why not.

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Yeah, But the moment she introduced herself and all this

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was starting to play out, and you know, she explains

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that they're going to shadow some firefighters for the night.

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I was like, this is perfect, This is the perfect setup.

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Because No. One of the few things about found footage

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that's a huge obstacle to overcome is explaining away why

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would you keep filming?

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Yeah, we've talked about that. That's the hardest thing to solve,

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that's the hardest question to answer without a doubt.

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But reporters, the weirder shit gets the more likely they

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are to film it, and not only to film it,

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but to like seek it out, like like a dog

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with a bone, Like if something's going on, they're going

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to try to get to the bottom of it. So

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I was like, this is the perfect setup because whatever

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is going to happen, she's going to want to be

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in the middle of it.

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Well, the secret weapon in a found footage movie to

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keep making it makes sense that they keep recording is

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have them be a journalist of some sort, even if

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it's not a hard hitting journalist, just a journalist of

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some sort, and then have them be treated in a

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way that's possibly them being wronged, like as we get

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into the movie, them getting locked into an apartment building

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and not being told why they're not allowed to leave.

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They're being wrongfully imprisoned. Once you have something that's wrong,

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you know, air quotes, I mean, you know that appears

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to be like we're being wronged by the government, by

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the police, by the FDA, whatever, I mean, like whatever

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it could be. Once you have that element too, then

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it's like we have to film everything, Yeah, because we're

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not gonna like we're not gonna let people get away

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with this, or because we you know, if they're trying

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to cover this up and it's a serious, real thing,

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we don't want them to be able to lie or whatever.

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So you end up getting that other element, which is

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also just a great horror movie element, which is the

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distrust of authority. And think about that too in our culture.

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In American culture, filming the police is a is a

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very hotly debated but overall accepted practice. You can film

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the police in public while they're doing their job, as

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long as you are not hindering their ability to do

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their job. Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I just

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described basically. Though. It's like, you know, you don't sit

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there and film a great traffic interaction, but if you notice,

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like that cop is really yelling at that guy and

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that guy is in a wheelchair, You're like, I'm going

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to start filming this. Yeah, Like if this goes to court,

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I think I want to help the guy in the

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wheelchair out, you know. So, and that's kind of what

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you're getting with this found footage story in particular exactly.

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And when we get back, I'll let you talk more

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about your first impressions.

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Right after this, so rec has like the perfect setup

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because it's a it's a news crew. They're always you know,

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they're always gonna want to film.

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Crew is strong two people.

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Yeah, I guess that wouldn't be I know, it's totally.

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A news crew. I just wanted to be funny because

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it's only too generally a news crew is like two people.

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It's like the guy who drives the van and runs

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the cameras. Unless you're talking like olden days when they

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would have the satellite vans. Oh yeah, then you'd have

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a satellite op and a camera op and the news person.

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Yeah, but that was back in my day.

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Oh man. I remember a few years back. I mean

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not even I mean like a few years back, like

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five or six years back, driving downtown Dayton, and I

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saw one of our newscasters standing there talking and they

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were by themselves. Yeah, and I was like, oh my god,

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they're filming them. I mean, it makes sense. The tech

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is there, auto focus is great, the microphones are it's

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easy enough. But I was like, Wow, they just don't

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even send you with a camera person anymore. And then

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I thought, I wonder how often they get stolen. I'm

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guessing they don't send them out at night alone.

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That wouldn't be wise.

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I mean, you know, at least yeah, generally speaking, I

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would not do it, but that's just that's just.

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Me, not not advised. You would not advise it.

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No, although most of the time, when they're in a

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dangerous place at night, it's because the cops are already there,

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so at least there's.

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That oh okay, well, so you know, you win someone,

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you'll lose something there you go, see, it all works

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out well. And speaking of cops, part of the reason

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I got so amped when Rex started is because, you know,

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the premise was so good, but you and I recently

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watched a found footage film that had an equally good premise,

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but they kind of like fumbled the bag halfway through.

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They managed to pull through, but the movie was body Cam.

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Do you remember that.

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Of course, Yeah, so it was a shudder yeah, shutter original.

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Yeah, so if you've got shutter, it's it's I mean,

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it's okay, but you know, the whole premise of Bodycam

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is its bodycam footage from cops. But they it just

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kind of lacked a bit of the edge and the

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grittiness that they really captured.

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In Wreck, which is hilarious and ironic because it's literally

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nothing but grit. Like the whole the Bodycam movie is

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like everything super grainy, everything's always underlit, everything's super gross.

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There's some really nasty gore and stuff. To me, the

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problem with Bodycam, and I think maybe more to what

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you were getting at, is that a big, a big

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problem with found footage movies and we talked about this

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with Cloverfield, is trying to do too much, Yes, and

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when you try to do too much, you run the

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risk of breaking this kind of immersion sense of I'm

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watching found footage and how much we want to suspend

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our disbelief, you know, that's to every person. Every individual

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person has a a you know, a degree to which

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they want to suspend their disbelief or in the famous

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words of Lloyd Kaufman, who used to say, when people

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watch our films, we don't recommend you suspend your disbelief.

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We recommend you lock it in a box and torture it.

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So but with BODYCM, my biggest problem was they did

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a lot of massive things, and they did some of

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them really well, but eventually it's like he basically it's

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not a big spoiler. He basically like, you know, it's

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a possession thing that turns into demonic thing and then

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he like goes through a portal to like a not

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real world. Maybe it's just too much, it's just too much.

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I would have I and again this is my personal taste,

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but like, I think I would have been a lot

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more scared if they'd just been stuck in one house

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with a friggin' demonic entity. Yea, I've been way more scared.

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Although the scene where he's driving and the neighborhood keeps

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changing around him was really no.

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And that's why I'm saying, like it wasn't necessarily a

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poorly executed film, and you're right, it is. It is

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gritty in esthetic. Yeah, it just uh it lacked the Yeah, yeah,

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that's that's it. Yeah, it was just too polished. There

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was too much going on with the you know, all

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of it. So uh that's why when Rex started and

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I was like, oh, wow, they've got a really rock

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solid premise and you've told me it's a good film,

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So I'm like really excited to see how this plays out.

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And and you're right, they were very They practiced restraint

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a lot in the film, and they kept it as

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enclosed as possible, which back to the plot. What happens is,

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you know, they're they're shadowing this team of firefighters and

456
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.880
and kind of goofing off, saying like, we're not even

457
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:03.839
going to get a call.

458
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.400
Well, it's boring. Yeah, it's generally a boring job. You're

459
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:09.960
making your money just sit around and wait for a fire.

460
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.759
I mean, assuming you're a paid firefighter, that's all you're doing.

461
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.599
You're making your money because you sit in a place

462
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.359
and wait, You take naps, you eat food, you hang out.

463
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.240
But the moment that thing, the siren goes off or

464
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.680
the bell goes off or whatever the alarm, you have

465
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.319
to get into action immediately.

466
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:26.480
Yeah, be ready.

467
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.759
Yeah, And they tell him it's like most nights that

468
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.759
bell doesn't go off, and that's a good thing because

469
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.079
that means nobody's house is burning down or whatever. And

470
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.319
they even tell her, you know a lot of times

471
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.519
we respond to calls of water leaks. I guess that's

472
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.279
a I don't feel like we have a water leak

473
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.960
thing here, but I guess in Spain that's a thing

474
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.079
that firefighters do also, is like stop water leaks. Okay,

475
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.440
But then he mentions, you know, also pet rescue.

476
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.960
M hm, And he even jokes he's like as much

477
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.839
of a cliche as it is, we really do that.

478
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.440
We do it. Yeah, and then sometimes you know, with

479
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.079
the emergency, like I forget the other like just helping

480
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.200
people who are stuck or trapped, I think is what

481
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.480
you said. So and I'll tell you the reason I

482
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.960
thought it was brilliant to have them follow firefighters in

483
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.200
particular is because when you watch horror films where everything

484
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.960
you know is beginning to go awry, where the monster

485
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:24.599
or whatever is first being realized, usually you know, somebody

486
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:29.200
calls the police or calls nine one one, and oftentimes

487
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.799
in those movies, like paramedics or firemen show up first

488
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.599
or show up immediately after the police who were ineffective,

489
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.799
and then they become the newest victims too. So it

490
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.759
makes sense because if anything really serious happened in the

491
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.920
city of Barcelona, the fire men are almost guaranteed to

492
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.920
end up there right away. Yeah, So that I think

493
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.279
that sets it up very well, and they're most likely

494
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.920
to be not prepared if it's not a fire incident.

495
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.920
Although I mean, I say that, but but Manu really

496
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.720
becomes a pretty big bad ass though he kicks a

497
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.920
man who kicks a hell of a lot of ass.

498
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.480
So but yeah, so it's a great setup and they

499
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.839
do they keep referencing it's going to be pretty boring,

500
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.359
it's gonna be pretty low key. But then when the

501
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.359
when the alarm goes off, you know, the two guys

502
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.240
Manu and Alex are the firefighters, they're they're shadowing that night,

503
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.039
they you know, immediately stop what they're doing, and they

504
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.039
just turned them to go, you know, we're going. And

505
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.400
I think they said that they have to be out

506
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.240
the door in three minutes, like that's the rules. They

507
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.200
they're suited up and out the door in three minutes.

508
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.519
So you see them run over and slide down the

509
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:46.440
pole and then our Angela, our news reporter, she's like,

510
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.000
what do we do? And it's like, so they have

511
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.880
to run to the stairs because he can't the Pablo,

512
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.400
the cameraman can't slide down the thing with the camera

513
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.519
on him. So now they're getting into the fire the

514
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.960
fire engine, and it's very very clear that like move, move, move,

515
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.839
like you cannot be slowing us down like and I

516
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.000
that was something I appreciated. I felt like I felt

517
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.759
like Manu and Alex were both very friendly to them

518
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.079
and didn't mind them coming with them at all. But

519
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.759
they were very matter of fact, like, you got you

520
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.359
cannot be slowing us down. Yeah, like you guys can

521
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.680
ride along and everything, but you cannot slow us down,

522
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.240
like we cannot be waiting around for you period. You know.

523
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.359
So they get a call and it's about an old

524
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.599
woman who needed help, meaning assistance.

525
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:33.920
She's acting kind of erratically.

526
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.720
Yeah, acting erratically, which sounds to me more like a

527
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:38.880
job for the police.

528
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.720
But what do I know, Well, you know, uh, firefighters

529
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:50.359
are often lumped in just with an emergency services well,

530
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.240
and that seems to be the case there in Spain.

531
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.000
Yeah, and it's Spain, so I mean, you know, maybe

532
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.920
maybe they thought she just needed to be assisted out

533
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.519
of the building or something, or who knows. But as

534
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:05.920
they get to the apartment complex, things start to heat

535
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.720
up pretty quickly. And the first fifteen minutes or so,

536
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.000
maybe ten or fifteen minutes of the movie really lulls

537
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.400
you into that oddly comfy sense of false security as

538
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.640
they're hanging out at the firehouse and eating you know,

539
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.519
dinner with all the guys and watching them play basketball.

540
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.240
But now as they arrive at this Barcelona apartment building,

541
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.960
things are about to get nasty and we'll talk all

542
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.319
about that right after this.

543
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.519
So they arrive on the scene at the apartment complex

544
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:56.920
and Angela and oh wait, what's his name? The uh

545
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:02.599
the camera camera, Pablo, Pablo, Pablo. I was gonna say Pablo,

546
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.880
but then I felt like, oh, but what if I'm wrong?

547
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.599
So you looked worse anyway, Yeah, yeah.

548
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:15.359
That's my Amo. So they they arrived with the firefighters

549
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.799
and some police officers have also already live arrived and

550
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.079
Angela is kind of treating it like just another day

551
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.880
on the job. But that's when you start to get

552
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.839
the sense from the firefighters like, no, they're here to

553
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.880
do with their job, so you really can't get in

554
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.839
their way. And as they are getting into the apartment

555
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.920
apartment building, like all of the residents there are kind

556
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:45.079
of frantic and they're talking about, you know, the old lady,

557
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.480
who is the reason that they call, you know place

558
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.319
the call. They're trying to figure out there's something going

559
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.720
on with a Colombian girl that's possibly in the old

560
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:59.599
lady's apartment. So the firefighter, firefighters and the police decide

561
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.200
to go up and investigate, and of course Angela and

562
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.039
Pablo want to go with them, because this is the

563
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.720
whole reason, like, this is why they're filming them, is

564
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.519
to see what the life of a firefighters really like, well.

565
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.720
Especially the ones who work third shift. That's the whole

566
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.440
point of why it's called while you Were Sleeping, is

567
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.000
they follow people who work third shift exactly.

568
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.319
So they get up there and the apartment's all dark,

569
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.279
and immediately you get a sense of foreboding and there's

570
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.279
this old lady at the end of the hallway and

571
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.319
she's not looking too great.

572
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.920
No, she looks like death warmed over.

573
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.160
Which is great because then she attacks one of the

574
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.640
police officers and just like bites him on the throat,

575
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.480
and you know, as as someone you know, as an

576
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.440
audience member, you're like, oh great, this is this is

577
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.559
where it all like it all hits the fan now.

578
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:08.599
So they managed to get her pulled off of the

579
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.720
police officer, and the other police officer, his partner finally

580
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:19.680
remembers that he has a gun and shoots her, and

581
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.640
so they you know, pull him out, and almost instantly,

582
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.240
when they're trying to take care of the critically injured

583
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.480
police officer in like the lobby of the apartment building,

584
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.880
they notice a commotion outside, and then they start hearing

585
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.480
like a voice over the loudspeaker like don't panic, replacing

586
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.119
you under quarantine, Like this building is being closed off.

587
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.680
You need to follow the directions of the police officer

588
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:56.839
that's with you, which is not reassuring at all, because

589
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.440
one of the police officers is almost dead.

590
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.519
Yeah, they're, they're, they're. The entire reason they want to

591
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.119
get out is because this guy clearly needs serious medical attention.

592
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.599
And they even try, like screaming like they're you know,

593
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.679
they're trying to open the doors and the doors are

594
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.000
locked from the outside.

595
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:15.840
Uh.

596
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.119
And they're even trying to scream to the people out

597
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.320
there and reason with them, like we need out, and

598
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:27.880
nobody's listening. And it started to strike me here that

599
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.079
you know, this was this was filmed in two thousand

600
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:37.320
and seven, but for modern audiences, Uh, this movie has

601
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.480
like some different implications because we all lived through like

602
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.440
COVID nineteen and and you know quarantine.

603
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.639
And well it was a lockdown, a lockdown.

604
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:50.519
Uh.

605
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:57.079
So there's this this vacuum of information that's created between

606
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.480
the outside world and what's going on on the side.

607
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.239
And it goes both ways too, because like there's no

608
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.480
way for them to communicate with the outside world, like

609
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.519
we're all in immediate danger.

610
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.039
No, they telled them the cop was able to radio.

611
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.440
He can talk to them over the radio. They just

612
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.840
don't need anything to tell them. Yeah, I mean, other

613
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.199
than do you know you're being locked up for right now?

614
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.800
We're talking to the health department. The health they keep

615
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.480
saying the health inspector will be coming soon, which I

616
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.360
think maybe a translation thing, probably because I here we

617
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.440
think of health inspectors as people who check out like

618
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.960
a burger restaurant. I think it's something much more serious

619
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:37.239
over there.

620
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.400
Yeah, because they even mentioned at one point that the

621
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:47.519
quarantine operation has been around like since atomic bombs, and

622
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:53.199
it's like the nuclear and what was it nuclear and

623
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.960
biological and something else like protocols. So yeah, it just

624
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.440
really I don't know, I don't know if when you

625
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:07.239
were watching it, if you caught that also, but for

626
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.039
someone who had never seen the film before, Yeah, it

627
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.199
just it just really struck me around that point. I

628
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.599
was like, Oh, there's some like similarities. I guess life

629
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.480
imitates art sometimes in that way.

630
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.719
Oh yeah, well, and I mean quarantine is not a

631
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.519
like new to horror concept. I mean the whole idea

632
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.719
of like the tents and the people in the bunny

633
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.039
suits and stuff. That's been a trope of horror films

634
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.280
since the sixties.

635
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:43.840
Mm hmm.

636
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.360
The idea of something coming to your town and all

637
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.719
of a sudden, like your town is shut down, nobody

638
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.119
can leave or enter. That's a very common thing. Waiting

639
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.280
for people to give you more information and then you know,

640
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.119
not giving you a lot of information, that's a whole deal.

641
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.719
They did it really well in the Blob remake. That

642
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.000
was one of my favorite kind of quarantine things because

643
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.239
they keep, you know, saying why are you holding locking

644
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.960
us up? And they're like, you know, plague, and they're

645
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.360
like plague stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, that's always

646
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.079
been something that's scary, and you know, the moment that

647
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.239
it really to me hits hard in re Reck is

648
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.760
when they decide they're gonna go upstairs and see if

649
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.880
they can get out from upstairs, and then as they're

650
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.760
trying to get up to the cops are already there

651
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.280
like shining light, and then all of a sudden, the

652
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:40.760
plastic sheeting drops from outside, so they're not just quarantined inside,

653
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:46.000
they're being sealed inside. That I thought was one of

654
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.320
the coolest moments that just really tells you like, oh shit, yeah,

655
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.760
this is this is bad. And at this point they

656
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.480
still don't know what really is about to start happening.

657
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.719
M h. I mean they know that there was that

658
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.960
crazy old woman and then the are poor Alex the

659
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.599
firefighter who falls from the top of the stairs and

660
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.679
smashes down in front of everybody, which is one of

661
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.800
the strongest shocks of the movie. Oh god, yeah, really

662
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.079
great and it comes out of nowhere. They're just talking

663
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.320
about something yeah, and then wham, and they did it beautifully.

664
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:22.639
It gets you.

665
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.559
So I don't I was looking at the Wikipedia page.

666
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:31.760
I'm not certain. You know, this could be just fabrication,

667
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.400
but I've heard that. You know, the directors. First off,

668
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.440
they filmed everything chronologically, which is super weird, but it

669
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.639
does make sense, like for what they were doing.

670
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.920
Yeah.

671
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.920
And also they never gave any of the actors a

672
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:55.039
full script, and they would oftentimes like not tell actors

673
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.599
what scene they were filming before they started filming it,

674
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.159
just like stand here and do this and so on.

675
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.559
The reason that scene is so effective is they didn't

676
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.800
tell anyone they were going to be dropping a body

677
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.880
from the top of the building, so no one knew

678
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.079
that was going to happen. So that's why it was.

679
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.880
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. You don't.

680
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.840
You don't buy it.

681
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.000
I don't because that would be such a safety hazard

682
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.239
to just drop a dummy. Ne're a bunch of people

683
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.000
who have no idea something's falling from the I just

684
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.320
don't buy that. They could have done something to startle people.

685
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.719
But yeah, that's way too dangerous. I mean, it's possible,

686
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.639
but I'm just that sounds a little too dangerous. But

687
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.159
they could have, you know, I can't say they didn't

688
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.519
for sure.

689
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.440
Yeah, I mean, but.

690
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.320
Falling bodies is going to be the least of their

691
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.000
problems when we get back.

692
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:10.039
But you've you've made a couple movies, Uh yeah, and

693
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.039
you've made some found footage films.

694
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.599
Yes, yes, I have.

695
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:19.559
Have you ever like withheld stuff from actors to try

696
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.000
and get a better, uh, you know, a better performance

697
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:23.440
out of them?

698
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.800
Oh? Yeah, I mean, especially with found footage movies, because

699
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.440
you're in the moment so often, it's a lot easier

700
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.559
to do that. Yeah, to make people not know what's

701
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.840
coming or what have you. It's it's honestly like one

702
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.639
of the more fun elements of it, because when you're

703
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.159
filming a narrative movie, I mean, even in the most

704
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.400
efficient of circumstances, you're doing everything two or three times, yeah,

705
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.159
and there's an immense amount of setup. You gotta get

706
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.480
the lights, you gotta get the sound, you got to

707
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.480
get the blah blah blah blah blah blah. But when

708
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.159
you go out and shoot a found footage movie, I

709
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.239
mean you just need a camera and maybe a light

710
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.760
and actors and you pretty much do it. I mean,

711
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.880
there are more advanced ways to do it, but you

712
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.840
can really just do it. And that allows an immense

713
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.639
amount of flexibility for misleading the actors to you know,

714
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.159
surprise them, or changing something in the middle as you go.

715
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:26.280
Because one element that's really smart to shooting chronologically when

716
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.239
you can, is that you can improvise entirely. I mean

717
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.840
you can literally change the next scene because you just

718
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.559
shot the last scene, or because you just watched the

719
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.519
last scene. When we did Devil's Trail, we didn't shoot

720
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.719
it in straight chronological order, actually, but we shot the

721
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.639
last half of the movie first and the first half

722
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.639
of the movie last, so it wasn't perfect, but we could.

723
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.039
We could do a lot of interesting things, like on

724
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.039
the first half of the shoot, its snowed, but then

725
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.239
there was no snow the second day, so we added

726
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.280
a bunch of references to it being cold yeah, and

727
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.599
hearing it might snow, and then going there's no way

728
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.519
it's going to snow because then it snowed, and those

729
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.239
kinds of things, you know, help a lot. But as

730
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.639
far as like misleading actors, I mean to get a

731
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.519
realistic reaction out of them, and it's mostly things like

732
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.400
you know, coming out of nowhere and startling them or

733
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.760
or telling them like this thing is going to happen,

734
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.920
but really it's not. It's going to come from the

735
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.679
other place. When I when I scared Yaboo Windomer in

736
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.960
alone in the ghost house, I told her to go

737
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.440
into the bathroom in the house and do bloody Mary

738
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.119
in character, you know she's doing bloody Mary. And then

739
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.960
after that she had to go into like the scary

740
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:53.440
room or whatever. And I literally I was playing the cameraman.

741
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.559
I literally like the moment she went into the bathroom

742
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.159
to bloody Mary, I snuck up into the room and

743
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.440
hid in the dark and filmed me jumping out and

744
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.960
scaring the crowd about it, and she had no I mean,

745
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.440
I did not tell her I was going to do that.

746
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.239
So yeah, I mean there's a lot of room to

747
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.199
kind of play around needling actors. I've talked about that before,

748
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.280
but I mean, yeah, you know, that's another one that's

749
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.719
really useful, especially if you're directing and you're a part

750
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.679
of the of the cast, because often that is the

751
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.920
case on lower budget found footage movies, the director ends

752
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.239
up being somebody usually the person holding the camera.

753
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.039
Just it just makes sense.

754
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.360
It does just make sense. So because I did one

755
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.599
found footage movie where I never held the camera, and

756
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.440
I probably would never do it again. It just too

757
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.920
many problems came up. Yeah that's all. Yeah, but uh

758
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.519
but yeah, so yeah, there's a lot of opportunities.

759
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.119
So and I mean you kind of already answered this

760
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.239
when we were discussing the possibility of if they dropped

761
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.760
a body from what four stories without warning anyone? Do

762
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.519
you like, what for you is the ethical line to

763
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.320
misleading actors or withholding information just to get a performance

764
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:08.800
out of them.

765
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.199
I mean, anything that could cause somebody to get hurt

766
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.159
is the line. But it's not always so simple. I

767
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.840
mean you could misjudge and jump out and somebody is

768
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.039
like going upstairs and they trip and fall and hurt themselves.

769
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.159
I mean there's a lot of risk, so you have

770
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.679
to be really mindful of just trying to mitigate that

771
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.360
risk as much as you can so that on the

772
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.320
brief moments where you make a human judgment error that's

773
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.480
really stupid, Hopefully it's nothing more than somebody trips on

774
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.800
one stair and not falls and gets hurt or something

775
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.800
like that. Like I wouldn't I wouldn't want, you know,

776
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.800
to throw something at people, Yeah, unless it was very

777
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.960
very light, And even then I don't know. The more

778
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.199
I think about the concept of them doing the body drop,

779
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.480
I mean if the dummy they used weide like nothing,

780
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.920
then it probably wouldn't be a big deal. I mean

781
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.000
it just yeah, I don't remember how it looked when

782
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.199
it was falling in the film. Maybe it was like

783
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.400
maybe it was one of those dummies that's basically a

784
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.320
big pillow. Then that wouldn't really be dangerous. But if

785
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.039
it had any weight to it, I just wouldn't want

786
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.000
to do it, because what if somebody decided to step over.

787
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.559
There, yeah, right right, the wrong moment or.

788
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.119
Yeah, yeah, or I mean another way to do it well,

789
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:29.840
still would be dangerous, would be if they knew that

790
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.800
the body was going to drop, but you told them like,

791
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:33.280
we're doing one, but we're not going to do the

792
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.760
drop on this one, and then you do it. But

793
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.679
that still runs the risk of them stepping to where

794
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.920
they shouldn't. But they also shouldn't step over where the

795
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.039
body's going to fall, since they're rehearsing a scene where

796
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.599
the body will fall. Yeah, yeah, so it gets complicated.

797
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.360
I'm sure that they were thinking about the safety of

798
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.920
the crew. I mean, these were not amateurs. These were

799
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.760
not people doing their first movie, you know, fresh out

800
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.199
of college. These were guys who'd made a bunch of movies,

801
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.960
well several movies, and their producer had made dozen or

802
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:02.840
more movies. He was one of the main guys at

803
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.519
Film Max, so he made tons and tons of films.

804
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.039
So I'm sure they were thinking about people's safety.

805
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.920
Yeah, but they're not thinking about people's safety in the

806
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.599
movie because things just keep asking.

807
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.320
It depends on which people that's really that's really the difference.

808
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.119
Which people's safety are they thinking of?

809
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.280
Because we're now down a firefighter and a police officer, yes,

810
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.119
and the Health inspector still hasn't arrived.

811
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.320
Yeah, so we're starting to figure out that there's some

812
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:47.840
zombieness afoot. Yeah, that's what's becoming very apparent. And yeah,

813
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:50.679
everybody's trying to figure it out for themselves. And meanwhile,

814
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.880
our intrepid reporter is interviewing people about their lives and stuff,

815
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.239
and we're getting a lot of really cool, like little

816
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.960
snippets that could be really helpful, Yeah, including the little

817
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.880
girl who has tonsillitis, Jennifer, and and they're all mad

818
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.679
about she's mad. Her mom's mad because they want to

819
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.800
take her to get her or they want her father

820
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.679
to be able to come back with her medicine for tonsilitis.

821
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.760
I think it was tonsiliis, Yeah, tonsilitis.

822
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.480
And they won't let him in. Yeah, they're locked down.

823
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.800
And she's got a fever and blah blah blah, and

824
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.199
she mentions her dog was sick, and there's a and

825
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.199
all of that kind of plays in later, which is

826
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.320
very good writing and very good pacing. But when the

827
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:39.320
Health inspector arrives is when everything goes completely to hell

828
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.239
and a hand basket. Yeah, and we'll get to that.

829
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:58.039
Right after this, the health inspector arrives in his bunny

830
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.639
suit and they literally have to cut through the film

831
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.719
to let him in, you know, the plastic sheet outside

832
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.199
the building. They let him in, and he's clearly surrounded

833
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.320
by armed guards, by military all around him. So he

834
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.920
comes in and basically just starts asking people questions about

835
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.760
how they're feeling, and and we find out pretty quickly

836
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.400
that it looks like there's a blood test, like a

837
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.079
basic blood test they can do, and that as things

838
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.800
start escalating getting worse, we find out very quickly that

839
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:37.960
it's spread through saliva, so bites are real bad. Yeah,

840
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.360
And I love this element, and from what they understand,

841
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:47.400
how quickly it takes effect is based on blood type.

842
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:51.199
Yeah, which is such an interesting little detail.

843
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.719
Well, that's and there are ailments, not many, but there

844
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.239
are ailments that affect different blood types in different ways,

845
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.199
or maybe more that they all affect it in different ways.

846
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.800
But the of the dynamic, like how much different they

847
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:03.800
can be, is very small.

848
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:04.559
Yeah.

849
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.320
But I remember briefly during the COVID era they were

850
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.440
suggesting that blood types might be less. I don't know

851
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.159
if anything ever came up of that.

852
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:12.320
But.

853
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.440
No, so but that's but the reason that's a great

854
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.079
storytelling element is because it means you just have no

855
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.679
clue who's gonna get bit and turn in two seconds

856
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.440
and who's gonna get bit and it's gonna take like

857
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.320
forty minutes. Yeah, and that's brilliant because that keeps everybody

858
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:34.119
on edge. Of course, this guy he gets bit almost immediately. Yeah,

859
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.599
but first they do all kinds of stuff. They're trying

860
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.280
to like study one of the infected people that's still around,

861
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.880
and Pablo is just getting it done, you know, because

862
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.360
Pablo's going out there and filming as much as he can.

863
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.920
I feel so bad for Angela because she's just like,

864
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.280
what are you seeing and he's like, shut up because

865
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.880
he can't tell her right now because he's capturing it. Yeah,

866
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.199
but this is some of the most tense stuff because

867
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.800
we're literally watching this health inspector try to to get

868
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.440
everything under control and get more information, and we're watching

869
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.920
him fail to do so and watching it all come

870
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.639
crashing down and get out of getting out of hand.

871
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.960
We also hear that it all started with a dog. Yeah. Yeah,

872
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.079
that had this ailment that was like rabies, only more

873
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.119
aggressive and that it took what they said, it took

874
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.199
like three times the tranquilizer it should have to stop him.

875
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.119
And then they had to put the dog to sleep.

876
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.760
So now everybody's like, the little girl must have the

877
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.760
illness ever it is, and everybody's like looking at the mother.

878
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.079
And this is one of the best, most effective moments

879
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.360
of the film. The little girl just out of nowhere,

880
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.320
just bites her mom's face and then jumps down and

881
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:47.280
runs off.

882
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:49.920
Just the little demon child.

883
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.800
But it is so sudden, and it really pulls you

884
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.599
back into how freaking crazy. And now the mom is

885
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.360
like she's like raging. In like a minute or two,

886
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.239
she completely nuts and they've handcuffed her. And this has

887
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.519
become the new thing. We handcuff people who've been bitten

888
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.519
to something and hope for the best, or lock them

889
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.000
in a room.

890
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.480
Yeah, so they can't get to us, and then we

891
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:13.719
maybe we can find a cure.

892
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.000
Yeah, and well or just yeah, we just don't want

893
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.039
to have well and I mean, what are they gonna do, Like,

894
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:20.920
it's not like anybody's got guns or anything, like, they

895
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.039
barely have enough bludging tools, yeah, you know to stop

896
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:24.599
these people.

897
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.159
Well, and it took the like the cop had to

898
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.559
empty the whole clip to kill the old lady.

899
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.480
Well, and then she wasn't even dead.

900
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.039
Yeah, when they go back up there, then she comes back.

901
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.840
She's totally still like hanging out doing stuff. So yeah, no,

902
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.719
it's it's it's not going great luckily for everybody. Men

903
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.639
who is very good at beating the hell out of people,

904
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.360
because he ends up bashing a lot of the zombies

905
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.400
for quite a while. But now you know, the the

906
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.800
the uh people are getting bit left and right, and

907
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.719
the health inspector gets bit and he locks himself behind

908
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.800
a door and just tells them. I think he just

909
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.480
tells them, like get out of here, like good luck,

910
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.039
like I hope you can get out of here or something.

911
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.480
You just basically good luck, like I'm sorry, like I

912
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.800
can't do anything, you know. So now we really do

913
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.519
understand why they're locking this place down, because this is

914
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.199
possibly one of the most infectious ailments known to mankind.

915
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:26.000
Yeah, And what I like is the implication because a

916
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.199
lot of zombie movies there's kind of a it's a

917
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.320
small comfort, but there's a little bit of a comfort

918
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.199
in at least it doesn't like transmit to animals or

919
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.679
transmit across like zoologically so across animals to humans. But

920
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.960
this one it's established that it does, which makes the

921
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.159
threat like even worse because it's like, now there's like

922
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.840
no refuge.

923
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.519
Yeah, well do you you might know this because you

924
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.679
deal with animals. Left. Do you know how long it

925
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.239
takes for rabies to show?

926
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.440
Uh? Isn't it forty eight hours?

927
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:01.199
One to three months?

928
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.679
Oh geez, that's cruel.

929
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.679
But it's cruel, sure, But my point is because the

930
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.280
incubation periods yet thirty ninety days. But my point is

931
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.519
when people describe zombie viruses or whatever, they often describe

932
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.599
them as like rabies. But imagine if rabies set in

933
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.679
in a minute or two. So I feel like if

934
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.360
you sat down with a medical doctor and said, this

935
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.000
is like rabies, but it's faster, and the medical expert

936
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.159
was like, how much faster than they were, like less

937
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.039
than an hour, they would be like, we need to

938
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:46.519
bomb that part of the country, like that cannot get out. Yeah,

939
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.280
Like it's bad enough when there's a Rabi's outbreak anywhere,

940
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.559
But that's insanity and it affects people more aggressively than

941
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.320
rabies because rabies doesn't usually make people hyper aggressive. It

942
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.000
makes us kind of crazy, but smaller animals it seems

943
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.039
to make them very aggressive. And that's in Return of

944
00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.000
Living Dead. That's one of the things that klue Gulliger's

945
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.639
character says on the phoney. He's like, they've gone stark

946
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.280
raven mad and they'll kill you anacha if you try

947
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.400
getting here. It's like Raby's only only faster, like he's

948
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.400
it's I didn't realize just how much faster. But yeah,

949
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.559
So so now we've we've pretty much understood like you're

950
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:25.000
on your own. And one of the characters mentions that

951
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.480
there may be one more way out of the building

952
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.639
because the police have said we've sealed every exit.

953
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.440
Yeah, and they've they've even tried, like they've they've gone

954
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.599
like down in like pat like the sub basement and

955
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:41.400
like tried to get out that way, and they've they've

956
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.960
tried different windows and like there's no getting out.

957
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:48.360
But it turns out there may be it was some

958
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.079
kind of event, not like a like not e vent

959
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:57.599
but like a drainage thing if I'm remembering correctly. I

960
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.519
can't remember exactly what we said, but basically it was

961
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.599
like down in the uh like in the sub basement,

962
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.519
there was like a thing you can go through and

963
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.239
it would lead to the sewer, yeah, basically, and that

964
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.199
it's locked because it isn't a way to get in.

965
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.519
So they're like, well, we have to get the keys,

966
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:20.000
and they're in the superintendent's apartment. So now the new

967
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.559
mission is to try like hell to find those keys.

968
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.639
And now the movie enters. It's like, holy shit, this

969
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.840
is badass and insane and scary. Phase.

970
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.840
Yeah, it kind of by the third act, it feels

971
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.159
less like a found footage movie and way more like

972
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:38.000
a rail shooter.

973
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.800
That's a very fair way to put except without any shooting.

974
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:46.280
Yeah, yeah, zero shooter. So a raal basher, I'll call

975
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.960
it that. I'll allow it, and we'll we'll dive into

976
00:55:50.000 --> 00:56:04.280
the extra gory details right after this. So they make

977
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.760
it to the They keep calling it landlord, but I

978
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.280
think it's a translation issue. I think they mean like

979
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.079
a superintendent because they never he never mentions owning the building.

980
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.960
He just in fact, he says he's an intern who

981
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.239
is the landlord while he's in medical school. Yeah, So

982
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:25.000
they get into his apartment and they find the keys,

983
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.320
this big key ring and the entire way up to

984
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.679
this apartment was just a battle from hell, like you said,

985
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.639
like a rail fighter kind of deal. And this is

986
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:40.519
where we like to mention. Manu just starts whooping ass

987
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.360
the firefighter that's still alive. He is just like snapping

988
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.679
necks and stuff, like he's really laying in And at

989
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.920
one point Pablo even gets in there and like saves

990
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.920
Manu and then they both just like pill this zombie thing.

991
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.800
Another really great moment was a Angela gets grabbed at

992
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.400
one point and she's positive she's bitten, and Manu has

993
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.280
to tell her over and over, like, you haven't been bitten.

994
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.639
I don't see a bite. You're okay, You're okay, which

995
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.199
I've got to be honest, that would happen to me

996
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.239
in a zombie apocalypse. It's like hearing a bunch of

997
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.360
bats and then thinking they're in near hair. You know

998
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.559
it just if I scuffled or even bumped into a

999
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.280
zombie like me and pit me, you know, like it

1000
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.320
would be the first thought, you know, it just be oh,

1001
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.559
got it bit me and bit me? So uh, they

1002
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.880
are just you know, bashing their way up. But as

1003
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:32.199
after they get out of.

1004
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:38.159
The the superintendent's apartment, with the keys. Pretty much immediately

1005
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.000
we lose man U to the zombie threat. There's just

1006
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:45.039
too many of them. And the only thing that Pablo

1007
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.360
and Angela can do is go into the penthouse, Yeah,

1008
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.480
which they've been told no one lives there. I think

1009
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.519
was that the guy they said he spends all his

1010
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.199
time in Madrid? Yeah, yeah, he said, like, oh that

1011
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.119
the guy who owns that the penthouse. He's always he's

1012
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.960
a guy from Madrid. He's like never here. Yeah, And

1013
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.320
they go in there and sure enough, it's empty, but

1014
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.239
it's really decrepit and weird. It is.

1015
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.079
Yeah, it is not necessarily what one would anticipate when

1016
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:14.280
you hear.

1017
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.039
Penthouse because it's a luxury apartment.

1018
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:24.280
Well it may have one time, at one time been

1019
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.400
a luxury apartment, sure, but now there's like papers tacked

1020
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:31.639
up all over.

1021
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.039
The wall, and like, for the record, I mean, it

1022
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.840
does have a very specific definition. A penthouse is a

1023
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.719
luxury apartment or residence located on the top floor of

1024
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:42.239
a building.

1025
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:43.559
Okay, so it's.

1026
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.519
The entire top floor, that's what makes it a penthouse.

1027
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.039
Yeah, you and I were discussing that.

1028
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.719
Yeah, I thought it was just that it was a

1029
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.679
floor of its own, but I guess it has to

1030
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:54.760
be the top floor, which makes sense because they're trying

1031
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.239
to get out and they've realized there's no way we're

1032
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.119
getting down to where supposedly that exit is because it's

1033
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.320
nothing but zombie down that way.

1034
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.599
Yeah, so if we can't go down, let's go up.

1035
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.639
That's a move. So but as they're they're looking through

1036
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.719
this place, and you mentioned there were like newspaper clippings

1037
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.559
all over, and as they're kind of scanning through everything,

1038
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.239
they start to notice that the newspaper clippings are all

1039
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:26.519
about the same little girl, yeah, who was reported by

1040
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:33.280
the Vatican to be potentially possessed by some kind of

1041
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.199
demon And her name is Tristiana Mediros and she's a

1042
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.199
Portuguese girl who was very very ill and also believed

1043
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:45.320
to be a demonic demonically possessed. And as we go

1044
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.880
through his space and look at the things, there's like

1045
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:55.320
chemistry stuff everywhere, and crosses and photographs and these newspaper

1046
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.880
clippings very very catholic, which you'd expect from a Spanish movie.

1047
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.119
But it becomes very clear that this person is obsessed

1048
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:09.719
for whatever reason, with this little girl being demonically possessed

1049
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.519
and is trying to cure it in some way or

1050
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:19.880
or something. Then they find an audio tape recorder and

1051
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.480
they listen to it. They rewind it and listen to

1052
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.159
different parts of it, and basically it's revealed that this

1053
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:33.360
ailment or this demonic possession has basically mutated into an

1054
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:38.960
infectious disease. So the concept is that from my understanding,

1055
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.400
the way I've understood it from watching it a few times,

1056
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.719
is that it is not that it is a disease

1057
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.519
mistaken for demonic possession. It is that is demonic possession

1058
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.679
that has turned itself into a mute disease. That's what

1059
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:54.199
I understand.

1060
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.360
Yeah, that's what I got to And I thought that

1061
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.840
was such a weird and interesting twist because I've never

1062
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.719
heard anything quite like that before.

1063
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:10.039
I mean, it makes perfect sense when you're talking, you know, uh, revelation,

1064
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.400
you know, the end of the absolute end of the

1065
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.400
world apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, apocalypse. That that's when it starts

1066
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:18.440
to make sense, like, oh, yeah, I guess that would uh,

1067
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:20.840
that would cause an apocalypse, wouldn't it.

1068
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.039
Yeah, kind of a little bit so.

1069
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.599
But but as they're kind of looking around and trying

1070
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.000
to figure out like, what is this guy on about?

1071
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.559
Like he seems crazy? But then they're hearing this stuff

1072
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.320
and and it gets a little cheesy with them, kind

1073
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:40.639
of salt like putting things together. But she's a journalist

1074
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.480
and they're trying to figure out what's going on, so

1075
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:47.199
I'll give it to him. But then in the tape

1076
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:51.119
he says something that catches their attention pretty pretty quickly,

1077
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:56.840
which is that Tristiana is supposedly in the penthouse m hm,

1078
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:03.360
and that she won die, and that he that as

1079
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:07.199
that tape is being recorded, he is attempting to kill

1080
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:13.000
her to stop the infection and and free her, and

1081
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.280
that there's only one way to do it, and it

1082
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.320
requires a whole ritual. Yeah, and that hopefully the ritual

1083
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.440
will be successful, they'll be able to do it, it'll work,

1084
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:28.119
and Tristiana will be dead and the illness will be

1085
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:34.480
dead with her. And as becomes obvious when they hear

1086
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:41.800
something in the apartment, it does not appear that the

1087
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.280
ritual worked. Also, now the light on the camera is busted,

1088
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.960
And this is one of the earlier examples of just

1089
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:59.079
out and out infrared camera FU like NAS because I

1090
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.800
feel like before paranormal activity really put it into horror

1091
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.679
movies a lot, or made it happen to where that

1092
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.119
was happening a lot before that. It was really just

1093
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.719
from ghost Hunter shows. Yeah, you know there's a lot

1094
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:14.480
of ghost Hunter shows. Did that. So now everything is

1095
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:20.800
green and looks all night visiony and.

1096
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.119
And Angela can't see anything because she's not looking through

1097
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:22.599
the camera.

1098
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:29.079
No, and now Justiana is ready to make her appearance

1099
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:43.039
right after this. So as they're trying to figure out

1100
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.840
how to get out, there's a hatch in the ceiling

1101
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.480
and Pablo bravely decides to check it out, and that's

1102
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.000
what breaks the light in the final time, because the

1103
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:53.840
light's busted a couple of times and it's the only

1104
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.840
light they have. He falls out of there after seeing

1105
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:00.800
a brief glimpse of Tristiana, who is a like how

1106
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.400
would you describe like a slender monster?

1107
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:11.280
Yeah, things, slender wraith like yeah, hag like yeah, it's fir.

1108
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:17.159
Reminded me very much of the creature in Barbarian. Oh okay,

1109
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.159
not quite as like giant, but you know kind of that,

1110
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:27.079
you know, bony and kind of yeah gaunt, look I.

1111
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.639
Guess well yeah, yeah, it was like impossibly long arms,

1112
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:32.880
and legs and it's just kind of looking around, and

1113
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.519
it's extra scary because you realize this is supposed to

1114
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.599
be like a little girl who's like nine years old.

1115
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.280
Yeah, and this is what it's kind of mutated her into.

1116
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.000
Yeah. Yeah, So now they're they're stuck in there, but

1117
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.239
the only benefit they have is that it's pitch black,

1118
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.079
and therefore, if they can be quiet, maybe they can

1119
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:56.480
get away from Tatiana. And this sequence is extra creepy

1120
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.519
because when they were filming it, the actors couldn't see.

1121
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:03.679
It was really done in the dark with with a

1122
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.960
you know, a night vision so you can see the actors. Like.

1123
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.239
It's one thing I've noticed when you look at people

1124
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.239
with night vision, is there they you don't realize how

1125
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.280
wide you open your eyes to try it to see

1126
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:14.800
in the dark.

1127
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:15.440
Yeah.

1128
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.599
So when we see Angela, her eyes are just like

1129
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.000
all the way open trying to see what's going on,

1130
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.000
and Pablo is trying to like get a hold of her,

1131
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.079
but also tell her to be quiet because this thing

1132
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:28.159
is here. And overall, I think it holds up pretty well.

1133
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.519
I mean, it's definitely a CGI monster. Yeah, but they

1134
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.400
don't they don't show it, so often that it loses

1135
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.039
its omph. Yeah, but also they keep the threat alive.

1136
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.559
I think, oh no, they do a great job keeping

1137
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.719
the threat alive because you know, it's it's kind of

1138
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.000
the you know, the the old saying with horror like

1139
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.679
less is more so it's doing it a kindness that

1140
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.599
they keep the monster like mostly in the shadows and

1141
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:58.320
you only see brief glimpses of it, and the way

1142
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:04.480
they the way they have Pablo, because because Angela has

1143
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:09.760
been so competent throughout the whole movie, she's she's not

1144
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.760
necessarily like gung ho throwing herself into danger, but she

1145
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.800
is definitely like tenacious and she's tough, and this is

1146
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.159
like kind of the moment where she's really breaking and

1147
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:25.039
Pablo does a really good job of like comforting her

1148
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.559
and trying to get her to stay quiet and being like, no,

1149
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.559
we can get through this. But the whole time there's

1150
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:36.440
this monster in the shadow like looming behind them, just

1151
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.960
like trying to hunt them down. It's really well executed.

1152
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.039
Yeah, it's it's super tense. It takes its time, but

1153
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.400
not too much because this movie really has just a

1154
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:54.800
fever pace as everything just kind of snowballs and This

1155
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.480
is where I think the movie, like wins Me Over

1156
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:04.079
is the ending's not too silly. But after they make

1157
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:09.119
too much sound, Pablo gets not it gets killed. We

1158
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.000
don't see anything really, but we know he's killed. The

1159
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:17.039
camera falls to the ground, and then eventually it gets

1160
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.840
quiet and we see Angela crawling toward the camera. Yeah,

1161
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:22.599
Like we see her on the ground, and I can

1162
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.559
only assume she's crawling toward it because she can see

1163
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:25.920
the light coming off of the.

1164
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.440
Like the recording light or something.

1165
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:30.599
Or the light coming out of it because it's pitch black,

1166
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.480
so the camera can see. So that means that the

1167
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:34.800
viewfinder would have to be bright.

1168
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:36.519
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so.

1169
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.599
I would assume that it's shining light off It might

1170
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.280
even be like reflecting off the wall because there's no

1171
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.159
eye against the eyepiece to catch the light.

1172
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:44.400
Yeah.

1173
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.239
And as she's crawling toward it, we hear, you know,

1174
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.280
a monstery sound, and she gets dragged away from the

1175
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.119
camera off into the darkness. What a solid way to

1176
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.599
end it, What an image to grab you very creepy.

1177
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.800
I think it works, you know, phenomenally.

1178
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:06.599
Well, Oh it really does, It really does.

1179
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.679
And I was very happy with it. With that ending,

1180
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.679
I thought it it scared the hell out of me

1181
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:13.679
and kept me creeped out.

1182
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:20.720
Oh absolutely, I there's a in horror movies, there's oftentimes

1183
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:24.840
like a point of nowork return where you're like, okay,

1184
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.840
this won't have a happy ending, like no matter what happens,

1185
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:31.640
like I don't think this is I don't think they're

1186
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.760
going to be able to all pull through. And this one,

1187
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.800
you know, had that kind of that feeling of Okay,

1188
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.880
I know that this isn't going to have a happy

1189
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.960
ending because like most of the people that we cared

1190
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:51.079
about in the beginning are dead already, but maybe, you know,

1191
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.119
maybe they can pull through, because again, Pablo and Angela

1192
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:02.560
seem like pretty competent. And having having it end the

1193
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:06.119
way it did, you know, Pablo dying and then Angela

1194
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.319
trying to get the camera and her getting pulled into

1195
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.880
the darkness, it didn't feel dour to me because there

1196
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.600
was so much mystery about what was actually going on.

1197
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:22.640
It It felt like the perfect ending because there was

1198
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:26.079
enough for me as an audience member to still have

1199
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:29.680
questions without feeling like I got cheated on it, you.

1200
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:33.159
Know, Okay, I mean, well, I mean that's just kind

1201
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.880
of the method yeah with found footage movies is there

1202
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:40.840
should be questions left unanswered because the camera doesn't see everything.

1203
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:45.920
It's not possible for it too. And I think, yeah,

1204
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.840
I think that's what really, what really cemented it was

1205
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:52.159
that that dragaway ending is really perfect and it's kind

1206
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.600
of like when you see her crawling with that massive

1207
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.920
black space behind her, that's your biggest fear is you're like, ah, man,

1208
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.479
you're just gonna get dragged away into the into the void.

1209
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:07.800
And then she does. Yeah, and it's a very a

1210
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:12.039
very sticking image. And uh, we're gonna take a quick

1211
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.359
break and we'll give our final uh you know, thoughts

1212
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.680
on REC and talk about what we're gonna be covering

1213
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:33.319
next time right after this. So I do want to

1214
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.960
say one of my favorite elements of REC that isn't

1215
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.199
about the movie. I mean it is, but it isn't

1216
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:43.640
is a big respect to Pablo because Pablo was played

1217
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.560
by Pablo Rosso, who was the actual director of photography

1218
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.760
of the film. Oh damn, I don't know. I should

1219
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.399
have double checked. I don't know if he's a director

1220
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:57.000
of photography. Otherwise I believe he is. I believe they

1221
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.199
literally had a director of photography play yep, yeah, he's

1222
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.159
a cinematographer in Spain.

1223
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:04.000
Awesome.

1224
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:09.439
So they literally had a cinematographer play the cameraman in

1225
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:11.800
the film, which we never see his face. We only

1226
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.840
see like his legs a little bit in that one scene.

1227
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.640
Oh wow, he's wow. He's a shot a lot of films,

1228
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:20.880
over fifty films.

1229
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.920
Oh, good for him.

1230
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.039
Yeah, he just shot the uh, the Return to Silent Hill,

1231
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:28.279
which a lot of people didn't like. That must have

1232
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:33.520
been shot in Spain anyway, very interesting. Yeah, yeahs quite

1233
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.960
a career, still working. So but I just thought that

1234
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:39.279
was a cool little element. No that.

1235
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.920
Sorry about that. Yeah, I don't don't know what that was. No,

1236
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.760
it's really cool that they got, you know, an actual

1237
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:52.279
cinematographer too, you know, to play that character. Something that

1238
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:56.479
we had discussed and I found it interesting. You know,

1239
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.760
oftentimes in found footage it's just easier to have the

1240
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:03.279
careacters be named whatever the actors are named. Yeah, so

1241
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.399
I did. I did realize as I was reading the

1242
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.279
you know, all of the lists of actors, I was like, oh, Pablo,

1243
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.000
any place Pablo. That is nice and convenient.

1244
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.199
Well, he was also the director of photography on all

1245
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:19.479
of the Rex sequels really, and I'm pretty sure his

1246
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.560
character doesn't return, so I mean it's just uh, yeah,

1247
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.000
he became a part of the team.

1248
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.359
Oh good for him. Yeah, because I was trying not

1249
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.640
to spoil anything for myself, but I did see that

1250
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.399
Angela appears to come back in the sequel.

1251
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.960
Yeah, that's a massive spoiler because those are like super surprises.

1252
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.119
Oh well, then I shouldn't even I shouldn't have even

1253
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:39.600
said that.

1254
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:42.199
Well, I meant for you, it ruined your chances. I mean,

1255
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.880
we're just here to ruin everything.

1256
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:46.279
Ruin everything for everyone.

1257
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.800
That's the plan. Yeah, so I've pretty much went into it.

1258
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:51.319
So what are your final thoughts.

1259
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:55.840
On reck I loved it. I think that of the

1260
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.920
found footage films that we've reviewed so far, it's definitely

1261
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:04.159
way up there on my list now. And you know,

1262
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.119
if someone were to say to me, like, I've never

1263
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:08.920
seen a found footage movie, which one, you know, which

1264
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.760
one would you recommend? I would probably recommend, you know,

1265
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.199
either Blair Witch Project or rec you know, would be

1266
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.840
at the top of my list because I love Cloverfield.

1267
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.239
But I just feel like those, you know, those two

1268
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.039
really give you the heart and soul of what found

1269
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:28.560
footage can be.

1270
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.039
Okay, So I could see that.

1271
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:34.000
Yeah, and I think that of all of the found

1272
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.560
footage films that we've discussed so far, I think rec

1273
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:40.319
does have the like the strongest premise of why they

1274
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:41.199
would keep filming.

1275
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.880
Yeah, I could see that. You really need to see

1276
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:50.199
the sequels because they're all really good and they definitely

1277
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.319
pull you in very intensely.

1278
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.600
Well, that's a good excuse for us to watch them.

1279
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.239
Then, yeah, maybe we need I need to rewatch The

1280
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.039
Bay too. That might be a good one for this show.

1281
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.840
I feel like The Bay was really scary. That wasn't

1282
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.439
In fact, we watched it together. We watched it years ago.

1283
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:12.439
So uh, yeah, there's there's a lot of interesting found

1284
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:14.720
footage territory to scrape.

1285
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.039
Yeah, we've hardly scratched the surface.

1286
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.520
Well, we've been on quite the found footage sojourn. So

1287
01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:24.560
it looks like you were telling me off, Mike, you

1288
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.680
want to wrap that up? So well, yeah, you.

1289
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:30.520
Were, you were Well, I was just thinking, like, well,

1290
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:34.600
we don't want to blow our whole found footage load

1291
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:35.920
all at once.

1292
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.359
You just said there's like a limitless amount of them,

1293
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:40.960
So you're now you're contradicting yourself.

1294
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.079
I didn't say limitless.

1295
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.680
There's a lot you said. We hadn't scraped the surface.

1296
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:48.479
That's just a lot. Ah man, Yeah, you got to

1297
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.760
watch what you say. People might actually listen.

1298
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.399
Yeah, well that's their fault. They really shouldn't do that.

1299
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.479
So well, we do want to mention. You can email

1300
01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:59.960
us at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. We'd love

1301
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.279
to hear your thoughts on the films we've talked about,

1302
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:06.479
or recommendations for films we should talk about. We're always

1303
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:08.760
happy to hear from you guys. So do you want

1304
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.159
to tell people what next? The next show we're going

1305
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.479
to be talking about, because this one is one that

1306
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.560
I felt bad I'd almost forgotten as one we should cover,

1307
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.000
and I think it's it's a pretty solid one.

1308
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.359
So next week we're going to be doing the Houses

1309
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:27.960
October Built.

1310
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.119
From twenty fourteen. You want to say the year twenty

1311
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:33.520
fourteen so people can know what we're talking about. But yeah,

1312
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.800
the house is October Built. It's a film I really

1313
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:40.159
I really enjoyed and it definitely got to me. It's

1314
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.680
a found footage film that takes place in Haunted. It's

1315
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:47.079
a found footage film about people making a documentary about haunts.

1316
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.039
You know about you know, haunted houses for Halloween time

1317
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:54.840
and stuff, places where you charge What was that face?

1318
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.720
Undershow I get the title?

1319
01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:57.000
Now?

1320
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:58.159
The house is October.

1321
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.319
I already told you it was haunted housing.

1322
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.720
You did, but I didn't draw the connection. I was

1323
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:05.159
just like, Oh, that's a pretty string of words. And

1324
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:07.840
then I realized, like, oh, houses October built because like

1325
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:09.359
Halloween's on in October.

1326
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.560
This is that like a cute se way of saying

1327
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.960
you weren't listening, Like, that's a pretty string of words.

1328
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.479
I guess listening and processing. I was listening, It's just

1329
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.800
the gears didn't start turning until I.

1330
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.520
Don't think that. I think that means not listening. Okay,

1331
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.279
but uh, and then we're going to follow that up

1332
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.319
with Hell House LLC. Which now do you figure that

1333
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:32.920
one out too?

1334
01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:38.399
I think so House LLC Limited Liability corporation. Oh, that's

1335
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:40.600
what that means business. Oh.

1336
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.199
But those are two films that came out a year

1337
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:47.920
apart from each other. They're very similar concepts. Both spawned

1338
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.760
some sequels of the Houses of October Bilt. Houses October

1339
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.199
Bilt had one sequel, and Hell House I think just

1340
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:56.239
had its fifth film. Oh wow, they're still cranking them out,

1341
01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.000
and I'm not a huge fan of the later ones,

1342
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.479
but I really do love of the first one of

1343
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.119
both of those quite a bit. It is available to

1344
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:09.520
watch free on Zoomo Play, Pluto TV, and Plex, or

1345
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.600
you can watch it with your AMC Plus subscription or

1346
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.079
rent it on any of the many places you rent movies.

1347
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.680
So that is your homework to watch the houses October

1348
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.319
built so you can have a little Halloween in the

1349
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:22.119
middle of the summer.

1350
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.760
Yeah, who doesn't want a little Halloween in June?

1351
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.399
I mean living proof of it? I guess June Aween,

1352
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.560
well you ruined it. But with that said, is there

1353
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:39.159
anything else you want to say about rec or about

1354
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.199
your current education and Defound Footage.

1355
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:48.399
I'm just really enjoying my found footage education getting fleshed out.

1356
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.760
I really enjoy it as a horror medium and as

1357
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:57.800
a storytelling storytelling medium in general, So I'm really looking

1358
01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:59.159
forward to the next two.

1359
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.319
All right, Well, with that all being said, I guess

1360
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:07.600
all that's left to do is head out of here.

1361
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:09.439
But thank you guys so much for listening to cutting

1362
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.439
deep into horror here at Weekly Spooky. We do appreciate

1363
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.760
you spending this time with us. If you love what

1364
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.119
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1365
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.319
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1366
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.079
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1367
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.079
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1368
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.640
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1369
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.880
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1370
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.640
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1372
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1375
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1376
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:52.880
back very soon to talk about the houses October built

1377
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.119
and the film of that name as well. So until then,

1378
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:05.119
we'll see you next time, Stay Spooky Days.

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