May 29, 2026

Cutting Deep into Horror | Paranormal Activity Changed Found Footage Horror Forever

Cutting Deep into Horror | Paranormal Activity Changed Found Footage Horror Forever
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Discover how "Paranormal Activity" revolutionized horror. This episode of Weekly Spooky breaks down the "Paranormal Activity found footage" phenomenon, exploring its minimalist terror, relationship dynamics, and lasting impact on mainstream cinema. Learn why its low-budget realism created maximum dread.

Key Takeaways

  • "Paranormal Activity" became a found footage phenomenon due to its perfect timing, word-of-mouth power, and low-budget realism, making it scarier than polished studio horror.
  • The film masterfully uses a 'less-is-more' approach to supernatural terror, leveraging bedroom shadows, long silences, and subtle movements for maximum tension.
  • The relationship dynamic between Katie and Micah, fueled by Micah's skepticism and need to film, intensifies the personal and frustrating nature of the haunting.
  • The found footage genre's roughness, improvisation, and simplicity, as seen in "Paranormal Activity" and compared to "Cloverfield," create a more immediate and believable horror experience.
  • "Paranormal Activity" reshaped mainstream horror by proving that a scary idea, executed with discipline, could be more impactful than overt monster visuals.

Cutting Deep into Horror | Paranormal Activity Changed Found Footage Horror Forever

Paranormal Activity, found footage horror, demonic hauntings, and the nightmare of being watched while you sleep take center stage in this episode of Cutting Deep into Horror. Hosts Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi delve into the groundbreaking low-budget movie that transformed a simple bedroom doorway, a static camera, and a few unsettling noises into a modern horror phenomenon.

This week, Henrique and Rachael dissect Paranormal Activity, the 2007 found footage supernatural horror film written and directed by Oren Peli. Starring Katie Featherston and Micah Sloat, the film follows a couple who, after experiencing increasingly disturbing nocturnal events, begin documenting their home. This seemingly simple premise propelled the film to become one of horror's most remarkable micro-budget success stories. Notably, AFI credits Oren Peli as director, writer, cinematographer, and editor, while Box Office Mojo reports an estimated budget of just $15,000, which grossed an astonishing $193,355,933 worldwide.

Henrique and Rachael explore why Paranormal Activity still feels undeniably eerie, dissecting the effectiveness of its iconic bedroom-camera setup and how the movie masterfully weaponizes the art of waiting. This is not a film of glossy haunted house theatrics; instead, it crafts its terror from subtle sounds, unsettling behavior, escalating relationship tension, and the primal fear of an unseen presence lurking in the dark.

Inside this episode, we explore:

  • Why Paranormal Activity Became a Found Footage Phenomenon: Henrique and Rachael discuss the film’s impeccable timing, its potent word-of-mouth success, and how its raw, low-budget realism contributed to its terrifying impact, outshining more polished studio productions.
  • Katie and Micah’s Relationship as Horror Fuel: The episode examines the strained dynamic between Katie and Micah, highlighting how Micah’s ego, persistent skepticism, and insistence on filming amplify the haunting, making the terror feel intensely personal and deeply frustrating.
  • Less-Is-More Supernatural Terror: From the subtle dread of bedroom shadows and prolonged silences to inexplicable movements, distant footsteps, and creaking doors, the conversation unpacks how the film leverages minimal effects to achieve maximum tension and profound nighttime dread.
  • The Power of Found Footage Believability: Henrique and Rachael draw comparisons between Paranormal Activity and other found footage successes like Cloverfield, discussing how the genre’s inherent roughness, improvisational feel, and simplicity create a more immediate and convincing horror experience.
  • The Film's Ending and Alternate Endings: The discussion covers the climactic escalation of the haunting, including Katie’s possession, Micah’s tragic fate, the crucial warning from the psychic, and the enduring significance of the film’s final, chilling image.
  • Why the Movie Still Matters: Whether you find it genuinely terrifying or consider it overhyped, Paranormal Activity undeniably reshaped mainstream horror. It proved that a potent, scary concept, executed with unwavering discipline, could resonate far more deeply than overt displays of monstrous horror.

Where to watch Paranormal Activity in the U.S.:

Currently, Paranormal Activity is available for streaming on Paramount+, Paramount+ via Amazon Channel, and fuboTV. It can also be rented or purchased digitally through Fandango at Home, Apple TV, and Amazon Video. Paramount+ also offers an official movie page for the film. Please note that streaming and rental availability can change frequently, so it's always best to check your preferred platform before viewing.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Why did Paranormal Activity become a found footage phenomenon?

Its perfect timing, powerful word-of-mouth, and low-budget realism made it scarier than polished studio horror, revolutionizing the found footage genre.

How does the bedroom camera setup in Paranormal Activity create terror?

The static camera in the bedroom captures subtle, unexplained movements and sounds in the dark, weaponizing waiting and the fear of being watched while asleep.

How does Paranormal Activity use a 'less-is-more' approach to horror?

The film relies on minimal effects, focusing on small sounds, bedroom shadows, long silences, and tiny movements to build maximum nighttime dread and tension.

What makes the found footage style of Paranormal Activity so believable?

The genre's inherent roughness, improvisation, and simplicity contribute to a more immediate and believable horror experience compared to more polished productions.

Why does Paranormal Activity still matter in horror cinema?

It proved that a disciplined execution of a scary idea could be more impactful than overt visuals, significantly reshaping mainstream horror.

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So I know you've been feeling kind of weird about

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the whole videotaping everything thing I've been doing. But I

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need you to see this.

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Okay, Okay, okay, I'm looking.

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So I took the footage from last night. You know,

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I plugged the camera into the FireWire drive so it

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could record the whole night, and I've kind of sped

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around and found spots where some weird stuff's been happening. Okay,

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So here, you know, we're asleep. It's twelve thirty at night.

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And now we'll fast forward. And now right there, no,

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you start getting up. Do you remember getting out of bed? No?

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So now you're standing there just staring at the bed.

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And now if I fast forward, you'll see it's been

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an hour, an hour and a half. Now right here,

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Now you turn around and you walk out of the room,

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and then you come back with a ham sandwich. And

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the only reason I know it's ham sandwich is because

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we're out of ham.

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Now where did I get the ham?

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Well? No, I'm saying you used the last of the ham.

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We're out of ham now, so it must be a

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ham sandwich because otherwise you would, you know, we'd still

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have some ham left over. So now you eat two

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bites of it, but then you just set it on

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the floor. It's like, why would you do that? Like

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that's how you get mice.

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I mean maybe it's I'm stress eating in my sleep or.

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that's not all. So now if we go forward a

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little bit more, you just kind of look at the sandwich. Now,

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I don't know, maybe you didn't like the sandwich. I

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have no idea, and apparently you don't either. But then

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you turn around and you just start scratching your butt.

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and now it's been two hours.

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Wow, I am really going at that butt crack.

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I'm shocked you're not bleeding. But then it stops there

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and then and then you just lay back down and

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go to sleep. I feel like I don't feel like

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this is paranormal, but I feel like you should probably

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talk to an expert of some sort.

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Well, I need to talk to my I might have

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internal parasites.

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I yeah, I was thinking, you know a doctor that

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handles things a little bit higher in the body, like

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toward the toward the brain. But that's just me.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I'm,

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of course, your host and k Kuto with my co

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host Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel, how are you. I'm doing good, good,

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good good, I mean not as good as me because

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you didn't take a cold shower.

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You're yeah, I'm really scared.

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I am very It was awesome. I got to get

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back into taking cold showers all the time.

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I could hear you, by the way.

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I couldn't imagine you wouldn't hear me because it was

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I was like screaming out in pain. Duh. It's called

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a cold shower, dude. But this week we're talking, we've

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really kind of went into a rabbit hole with found

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footage movies. Yeah, not just because we like them, and

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not just because you have a lot of blind spots

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on some of the more classic found footage movies. But

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footage was kind of a maligned subgenre, m h. And

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now that malignness is way less. Yeah, there are a

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lot more people who love them, prefer them, you know,

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to where that was not always the case. Yeah, so

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now very few people like, oh, another found footage movie.

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Most people are just like cool found footage movie. So

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that made it more fun to kind of dive in.

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which makes sense from the era that they were like established. Yeah,

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of course there'd be a lot of great ones. So

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we're talking about one now if you know, a lot

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of people would call, like fairly, I think Blair Witch

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in reality that's probably cannibal Holocaust or maybe not. We

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don't know. It's hard to know for sure, but Blair

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definitely made it mainstream entirely. Yeah, But the resurgence, the big,

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big surge of found footage movies started with paranormal activity,

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the whole thing where like there were like eight of

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them or seven of them, Yeah, and they vary quite

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a bit, although I think they're all pretty funny. I

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even liked Ghost Dimension, which most people crapped all over.

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three D would happen.

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footage movie though, So that's at a little interesting move.

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think he had a lot of fair points.

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feel like they both do. But he was a very convincing,

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like real life person because he wasn't just this one

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dimensional bad boyfriend.

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I would agree with that. So we're going to talk

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about Paranoral Activity, which you'd never seen m hm, And

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we may end up talking about some of the sequels,

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because after revisiting the first one, which had been a while,

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I realized that some of and this happens sometimes with

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franchises that are a bit more similar in I don't know,

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and not in tone, but like in visuals. I had

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remembered some gags from the sequels and thought they were

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in the first one, which made me realize, oh man,

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Paranormal Activity two and three might actually be a lot

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better than I remember, Like they might be worth having

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their own shows. We'll see. But tonight we're talking about

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Paranoral Activity from two thousand and seven. I don't know,

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you know how many people would not have seen this one.

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It was basically everywhere. It was a huge phenomena. I

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mean it was massive. I mean last week we talked

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about Cloverfield, which was, you know, decently big, but it

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had a huge budget, and I think it didn't even

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come close to making what Paranormal Activity made at the

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box office. Now it's available to watch free with ads

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on Pluto TV or with your subscription to Paramount Plus.

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And then of course you can rent it on all

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your favorite services like Amazon Prime, Fendango at Home, et cetera,

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et cetera. Now I'm curious, I'm in a double check.

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So so yeah, Cloverfield cost thirty million dollars made one

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hundred and seventy two million worldwide paranormal activity cost. Depending

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on who you ask, the initial budget was fifteen grand,

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but then later estimates could be as much as four

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That may include marketing costs,

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or maybe it was just post production and reshoots. I

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don't know. But the box office was one hundred and

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ninety four million, so it was more than Cloverfield, and

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even at the highest estimate, its budget was substantially less

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than Clever. You're that You're that shocked it was there

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was one of the biggest movies in the world.

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because I do. I do remember when it came out.

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I remember the marketing, and I remember seeing.

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out in the theater, which was a cool way to go.

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There was a whole era where in the seventies and

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eighties where movie commercials, trailers for movies were just catching

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people outside of a screening, like on the street and

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asking him, like what they thought they did that With

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The Exorcist, I.

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of like actual recordings of that, I've at least seen

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people spoofing it.

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Oh for sure, for sure. But yeah, no, it was everywhere,

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and I mean that's why it spawned so many sequels.

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It was directed by Oren Pele. I think I'm saying

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that right who at the time. I believe that was

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his first Yeah, that was his first feature film, and

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he went on to be a very prolific producer, often

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with Blumhouse, who Blumhouse took on Paranormal Activity, producing Paranormal Activity,

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then Insidious, then the Paranormal Activity sequels as a producer,

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then working on The Chernobyl Diaries, Lords of Salem with

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Rob Zombie The Bay, which is actually a found footage movie.

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I think we're gonna end up talking about on the

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show because I found that one really scary. I don't

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know how long we're gonna keep talking about found footage movies,

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but it maybe a while. But yeah, So, I mean

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he worked on a ton of them. He directed the

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movie Area fifty one from twenty fifteen, which I don't

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remember much about, so I'm guessing I didn't love it.

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But he did a lot of interesting stuff, and this

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was his first major film, his first film at all,

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and it was a just unbelievable hit. Yeah. So there's

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a lot to get into with paranormal activity there. It's

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a fascinating story of these you know, group of people

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getting together in California and just kind of filming stuff.

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So it's just a it's it's a fascinating story.

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but I'm not certain if it's true. But I heard

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that it was mostly filmed in the director's house. I

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would be shocked if that wasn't the case. Yeah, which

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it does totally make sense. But not only is that,

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you know, a good way for them to save some money,

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it also just kind of like strikes home for you

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and I because that's very similar work, like, Oh, let's

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hit up our friends or something so we can go

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film this movie.

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Oh yeah, without a doubt, without a doubt. So we're

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going to jump into talking about the elements of paranormal

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activity we like the elements we may not have liked,

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and just more kind of pontification about the found footage

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genre and why it can work so well to scare us.

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new deluge of found footage films that were especially in

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the paranormal subgenre. Yeah, because Blair Witch Project was kind

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of in that way, but you didn't have the elements

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that were brought about by Paranoral Activity, which was a

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lot of kind of almost adjacent to the ghost Hunter

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shows of the time, absolutely, you know. Yeah, and the

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idea to me being not that the movies were inspired

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by ghost Hunters, but that the characters that are filming

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themselves in these movies are inspired by ghost Hunters. Yeah,

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and there have been a lot of hits. Graving Counters

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is when a lot of people really love. As far

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as found footage movies go, it was crazy how many

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came out. I mean, the Last Exorcism came out after this,

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The Devil Inside came out after this. The VHS series

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which is still going, you know, came out after this.

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The Asylum, the company that was known for what they

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called mockbusters, we did Transmorphers. When Transformers came.

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Out, they made Yeah, I've got a special relationship with Asylum.

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I mean I do too, but it's positive. I don't

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think your yours is not direct, but it's negative. Mine

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is direct, and it's positive. They're nice people. But yeah,

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but they made a movie called Paranormal Entity right around

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the same time and put that out, And to be honest,

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Paranormal Entity I think is a lot scarier. If I'm

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like really being sincere, I think it's a lot scarier

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found footage movie. It's just nastier, meaner, and more aggressive

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in like every way.

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Which is really interesting because I felt like the pacing

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and like the threat from the you know, demonic forces

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in Paranormal Activity, I felt like that was perfect because

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it just you know, kept encroaching and slowly escalating. So

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it's kind of interesting that that one, you know, goes

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balls to the wall.

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It does. I mean it makes sense that they would, though,

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because they're trying to you know, differentiate, and they don't

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have a lot of marketing dollars. Yeah. Yeah, you don't

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usually go subtle and you have a lot of marketing dollars.

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Plus from what I recall, Paranormal Activity when it was

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bought and ended up sitting on the shelf for a

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hot minute. Oh man, So I believe yet, because it

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was officially released in two thousand and nine, almost two

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years after its first public screenings, and then it was

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Paramount like bought it basically, well DreamWorks bought it, and

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then Paramount of that was around the time I believe

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Paramount acquired DreamWorks, Okay, and that caused a whole thing.

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So it was, it was. It was a little bit tricky.

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So I remember, like bootleg there were bootlegs from screenings

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floating around. I mean when when we watched the original endings,

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that's what those were from.

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Okay, yeah, from one of them.

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Because those, I believe, the original original ending has never

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been released on any disc format or anything, never as

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an extra nothing, oh man. So, but the first time

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I saw Paranormal Activity was at my cousin Jeff's house,

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who had a bootleg. He had a lot of bootlegs

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back then. We were young and dumb and broke, very

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very broke. But I remembered liking it. I thought it felt,

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you know, kind of like a like what you'd expect

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found footage wise, but It did have some really solid moments,

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some really good attention to detail. But I think that

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the biggest thing this movie has is not necessarily originality

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or a genius element. But it was the exact right

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movie in the exact right time. Yeah, which that's good too,

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you know, because there are lots of really good found

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footage movies, but this one became ubiquitous with the whole

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concept of found footage. I mean, I think most people

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think paranormal activity. When I've made my first found footage

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movie and I was promoting it to people who are

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buying DVDs at fan conventions, I would literally be like,

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you know, it's it's a it's found footage in the

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in the style of like paranormal Activity in the Blair

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Witch Project. Those were the two they would always get. Yeah,

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and they're like, oh, because those are like the you know,

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craft and uh, you know, general Motors or whatever. You know,

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Like everybody's like, oh, I've heard that one. Yeah, yeah,

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so I but I enjoyed it. But I remember then

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I I never missed a sequel in the theater after

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that because they were always really fun. I like found

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footage movies in the theater. Some people don't. Some people

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find that they get like motion sick in the theater

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from them. I don't, so it doesn't bother me. Yeah, yeah,

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but uh but yeah, so I always enjoyed it, thought

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it worked pretty well as a film, and I thought

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it was really cool to see it blow up like

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it did. Although it does drive me crazy when people

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make a movie or whatever really cheap and they're like

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it's gonna be the next this thing or this thing,

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and I'm like, cool, because one of those comes around

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every like seven or eight years. So that means that like,

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if you miss this one, you just have to live

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like four hundred years to statistically have a shot. But anyway,

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I digress on that one. But what about you? So

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when I put this on for you, what were you thinking?

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What was the experience like for you?

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I mean I obviously kind of had a general idea

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of what the basic plot was. Yeah, but yeah, what

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got me almost immediately was the feeling of like, oh,

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we're watching like a ghost Hunter show, or if not

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a ghost Hunter show, then people who should be hosting

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a ghost Hunter show because they have that kind of

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dichotomy of like the true believer who's like all in

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and then the skeptic who's like kind of just going

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along with it.

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Yeah.

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But what I as the story unfolded and as the

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tension continued to build, what I really loved was the

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kind of less is more philosophy for everything, because some

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of the scariest scenes in that movie, like hardly anything

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really happens except like maybe a noise and like some

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movement in the background. But it's like one of the

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scariest things I saw, like all weeks.

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I think less is More is a major that's a

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major thing. I think that that, and I think that

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with found footage movies. To me, that's when when I

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don't love a found footage movie that's overall done really well,

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it's usually because they leaned into too much. Yeah, Because

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I mean, number one, when it comes to a found

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footage movie, you aren't going to capture everything as it

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happens because it's all happening at once and you're not

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prepared to film it. So you should already have a

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sense of that kind of like what what's happening? You know, Oh,

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this is just now happening and we weren't ready for it.

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That should be there anyway, so you should miss lots

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of stuff. Yeah, but also less is more because you're

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trying to make people feel like this could happen to them,

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and the big moments don't, like, big crazy moments don't

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happen to anybody. It's kind of the whole gag where

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you can watch a movie and somebody gets their head

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chopped off and just like applaud. But then if somebody

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cuts themselves shaving, you know, ah, yeah, yeah, empathetic to

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that pain. You're not empathetic to get decapitated. You have

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no idea what it's.

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Like, hopefully, so yeah, if you do, I've got questions.

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Yeah, But like it's a silly comparison. But there used

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to be a thing they would do in pro wrestling

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when they were trying to like really push realism, where

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they would have things they would they would have in

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pro wrestling, like you'd cut to the backstage and somebody

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be talking to the camera or talking to an interviewer

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or whatever, so they would cut to that, and then

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they'd have like two wrestlers like ram into him because

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they're both in a brawl. So it looked like it

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wasn't supposed to happen, and it wasn't supposed to be

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on camera, and then the camera would suddenly like try

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to capture this brawl to get the audience excited and

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make you think you just witness something legitimate. Yeah, yeah,

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And that's kind of what my point is about, Like

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the storytelling process with found footage is you should miss

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lots of stuff because you never know what's going to

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happen or where it's coming from. I think one of

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the big elements that Paranormal Activity did brilliantly was the

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hole locking the camera down and filming them in bed. Yes,

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I think that, and that was relatively new, and I

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thought that worked really well. It added a very big differentiator.

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And the gag where she's like standing and staring and

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it's like two hours, that's the easiest gag to do

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from a technical perspective, because when you speed up footage,

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whether it's five minutes or five hours, it basically looks

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the same when you speed it up really fast. So literally,

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as long as the number says it's been two hours,

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you could have sped up about a minute and a

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half a footage and it'll look fine. You can't tell, yeah, yeah,

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you literally can't tell, especially if you're in a stationary room.

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I mean, if you're outdoor, it's a little easier because

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of cloud movement and stuff. But like it's an easy

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gag and it works perfectly. I mean when she stands

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there staring at him and all of a sudden, you

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see the timers speed up and you realize, like, Okay,

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it's been an hour. Oh it's been two hours. That's

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really weird. That is super effective.

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It is.

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Yeah, so it works great. It's it's easy and effective.

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That's like you know, I did. I had no hate

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to Cloverfield the movie, talked about it all last week,

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but like, that's one of the things I think it's lacking,

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is that subtlety that is really valuable in a lot

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of found footage stories.

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No, I absolutely agree.

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So, and I think Paranormal Activity wasn't afraid to lean

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into that. I think that honestly. I think a lot

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of found footage movies when they falter, it's because they're

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too afraid to go less is more so, they chicken

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out and just do a ton of stuff and then

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it just takes you out of it. Absolutely, that's my experiencing. Yeah,

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I've often been like, oh, I was kind of expecting

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this to be creepier and simpler. Yeah, and then here

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we are. Yeah, you know, so we're going to take

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a quick break and then maybe I'll let you say

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something about paranormal activity right after this.

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So I liked about the introduction for both of the

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characters was you know, very organic, worked very well and

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also helped set up the whole story perfectly because we

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are introduced to Katie and Meka, not Micah, Mika Meeka

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and kind of introduced to the idea that they they've

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been dating a while, but they probably like just recently

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moved in together and now it's becoming a problem that

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Katie's having issues at night. And what I liked is

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Mika toes this fine line between being skeptical and being dismissive.

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And you mentioned that he gets a lot of hate

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from fans, but what I saw was like, he may

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be a little bit dismissive of like the supernatural elements,

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but he's not dismissive of her experiences. He's just really

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skeptical that it could have any kind of supernatural tie in.

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It's it's more like he just wants to get video

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of what she's doing in her sleep so he can

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kind of put her mind at ease more than anything else.

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So I really, I really like that it's not just

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this strict, you know, asshole boyfriend thing. And I do

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also like that, you know, he really does kind of

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again being a skeptic, he kind of ties it into

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I don't think that it's you know, ghosts or anything.

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It's like, well, maybe you're sleep walking, or maybe you're

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experiencing night terrors or something. He never, you know, he

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never comes out and says it, but that's kind of

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like the vibe that he's giving when he's explaining like, Okay,

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I'm gonna set up the camera and record a sleeping Well, she's.

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Not at it that it's entirely ghosts either. She just

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doesn't know what it is. Yeah, I mean she's not,

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you know, a one hundred percent believer in anything wild

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or different. I think the reason people think he's a

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jerk is because he's just kind of like on her

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about everything. But there's a scene in the film we

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I pointed out and we kind of talked about when

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we were watching it where he basically says like, I

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didn't know any of this until you moved in, and

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she says, oh, that's something I'm supposed to say on

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a first date, like, oh, I you know I I

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may have been I may be being haunted since some

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eight years old. He's like, maybe on the sixteenth date,

429
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.960
And I thought that was a fair yeahs from him though,

430
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.880
to be like, I figured eventually you'd want to say something,

431
00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:58.599
especially once it's like you're gonna live with me.

432
00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.880
It could be part of the conversation of moving in together.

433
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.440
Well. They also there are also other little elements that

434
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.160
they hint at, you know, because if you've never seen

435
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:10.960
this movie before somehow and you don't know what it's

436
00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.839
about somehow, I mean it's literally a couple are trying

437
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.039
to figure out what is going on in their house

438
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.319
and what's terrorizing her while she's sleeping, that's really it.

439
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.200
And he's filming it because he wants to. I mean,

440
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.720
he's filming it because he thinks it'll be interesting, and

441
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:28.839
he most importantly has too much time on his hands

442
00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.640
because he is a day trader. And they don't lean

443
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.880
into that a ton, but he's a day trader. And

444
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.720
if you've never met a day trader, they fall into

445
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:44.480
two categories. Generally, they're either hustling like crazy and just

446
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.279
barely getting by, or they figured out their groove and

447
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.440
they just kind of you know, they probably work intensely,

448
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.200
like three hours a day and make good money. Because

449
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:56.599
there's one part where she asked, like how much was

450
00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.640
the camera? And he's like makes some jokes, you know,

451
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.480
really like but how much did you buy that camera for?

452
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:05.519
And he makes an offhand comment and just says he says,

453
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.319
like it was it wasn't that bad. I mean it

454
00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:10.839
was it was half what I made today. Yeah, And

455
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.279
that to me suggests that he's very successful in day trading.

456
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.799
Because even at the cheapest a camera like the one

457
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:21.880
he's filming on, which I don't know which camera he

458
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.759
was using, because I never got a really good look

459
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:27.400
at it, but at best that camera would be a

460
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.680
grand or two. So the idea that he said about

461
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.319
half what I made today, most people would not a

462
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:36.680
day's wages would not be able to be thrown to

463
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.440
buy a you know, professional or close to professional camera. Yeah,

464
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.759
So clearly he's making good money. But my point is

465
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.759
that suggests that he has too much time on his hands.

466
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.519
He's at home all day. We never really get a

467
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.480
hint of what she does. I don't even I'm pretty

468
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:52.759
sure she has a job, right.

469
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.400
I think she has a job. Let me look because

470
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.200
I pulled up some synopsies.

471
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:00.759
I mean, if she has a job, we never really

472
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:01.599
hear about it.

473
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.599
So yeah, we never really hear about it. All we

474
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:06.960
know is that he's a day trader.

475
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.960
Wow. I love We were joking about this before the show.

476
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.400
I love Gemini because it's so worthless. I asked what

477
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.000
camera was used in paranormal activity and said to capture

478
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.400
the look, and they used a Sony Handicam HDRFX one

479
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.720
in HDR HC three for handheld scenes and a Sony

480
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:31.640
A seven s mirrorless that didn't exist. Mirrorless cameras weren't

481
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.519
invented on the major marketplace for like five more years.

482
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.640
The A seven s. That wasn't a thing yet.

483
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:42.279
Nice try Gemini.

484
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.839
No, it's not trying, that's the problem. But okay, So

485
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.160
a real source says it was the HDR the Sony

486
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.519
HDR FX one, which I'm not very familiar with because

487
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:58.359
it's a cam quarter. Oh it's a very nice one, though.

488
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:03.480
What was the detail rice? I just want to know? Yeah, yeah, curious. Now,

489
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.200
thirty seven hundred dollars, which would have been my guess

490
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.680
would have been about that much. Wow.

491
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.759
Okay, okay, so yeah, he is very successful.

492
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.079
It was an older camera, although back then cameras didn't

493
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.880
go out of date so fast. Yeah, so it was

494
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:21.039
from two thousand and four. Okay, but that's not Back

495
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.440
then cameras had like a shelf life of five or

496
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.359
six years normally. Yeah. So, I mean before they would

497
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.240
even release a new model. I mean not not even

498
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.920
to say that. You know, every time they release a

499
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.599
new model, you have to upgrade. It's just they didn't

500
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.160
even release a new model every single year for those

501
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:37.839
cameras like they do now pretty much.

502
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:38.480
So.

503
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.680
Yeah, so he clearly makes good money. And they have

504
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.640
a pretty nice house there in San Diego, which is

505
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.720
not the cheapest place to live in the world. They

506
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.599
have a swimming pool, they have a pretty big house.

507
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.279
But I thought that that was actually an element that's

508
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.480
kind of underlooked about the film is that he has

509
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.440
a lot of free time on his hands. And I

510
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.480
can tell you as a person who works from home,

511
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.839
although I don't have an immense amount of free time,

512
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.599
it is very easy to obsess over things about the

513
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.079
house because you're there all the time. Yeah, it is

514
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.119
very easy. So I feel like that plays a major

515
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.400
role in how he acts and how he is about,

516
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.039
you know, figuring out her problem and their problem and

517
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.640
stuff like that. That's just my opinion.

518
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.319
No, that makes a lot of sense. It really does,

519
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.319
because then it's not just you know, if he worked

520
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.160
in an office, it's like, hey, you can kind of

521
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.240
escape the problem for eight hours a day, but when

522
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.440
your home is the office, there is no escape.

523
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:39.039
Yeah, I mean that is very true. I believe me.

524
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.640
I know, believe me. I know. Well, we'll take a

525
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.960
quick break and we'll get even deeper into some of

526
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.880
this thick paranormal soup after this.

527
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.000
Another thing that this movie gets right, and it kind

528
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.839
of ties into the whole, like Miko working from homes

529
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.599
so there's like no escape from the problems. Yeah, is

530
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.799
it really gets right how terrifying things can be in

531
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.880
your home, but especially like in your bedroom, when you

532
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:33.039
stop feeling safe in your sleep. Okay, Yeah, and that's

533
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.880
that's one of the you were talking about. Like, you know,

534
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.680
in a movie, you can see someone like get shot

535
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.240
and you don't react, but if someone like cuts their

536
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.880
finger on a paper clip or you know, on paper,

537
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.200
like you're like eh, or like the the the nail

538
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.559
scene in a quiet place always gets me.

539
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.519
Oh yeah, yeah, because you.

540
00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.359
You can imagine, and so like that's what this movie

541
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:05.160
does so well, is we have all had those feelings

542
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.680
of like laying in bed and then realizing like something

543
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.400
in the room isn't quite right, but you don't know

544
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.000
what it is. Yeah, And I know, I know, like

545
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:21.559
you've done like whole shows about like sleep paralysis and

546
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.680
you know, stuff like that. And that's what I like

547
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.759
about this movie is, you know, we all have some

548
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.960
sort of whether it's nightmares or sleep paralysis or you know,

549
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.000
someone talking in their sleep, we all have some sort

550
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.640
of experience that we can relate to in some way

551
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.680
that kind of makes the movie more real to us.

552
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.559
Yeah. No, I mean I think that's a fair point.

553
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.559
I think that just the idea. What scares me the

554
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.200
most about the concept is just the idea that something

555
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.319
you know, very serious and you know, sinister could be

556
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.720
happening in your home and you like, no matter what

557
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.079
you do, you can't seem to stop it. Like there's

558
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.480
no like you're totally powerless. And it's not just like

559
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.079
at your front door, it is in your your home.

560
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.680
In your bedroom and I think that stuff is, uh

561
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.400
is really unsettling, Yeah, deeply unsettling. Yeah.

562
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.759
Well, because your your home is supposed to be the

563
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.319
safe you know, your ultimate safe space, and when stuff

564
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.279
starts going wrong at home that you can't control, it's

565
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.400
like you feel like you don't have any control over

566
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:34.400
your life anymore.

567
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.839
Yeah. I mean, well you mean you don't at that point.

568
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:44.160
Yeah, And that's you know, as the movie escalates, they

569
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.680
start to realize that they're losing control because, you know,

570
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:54.000
they start really seeing stuff happen around the house, whether

571
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.319
we're hearing stuff like whether it's hearing like groaning or

572
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:03.440
moaning at night, or you know, seeing seeing doors slam shut.

573
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.839
And they fairly early on inviten. Was he a psychiatrist or.

574
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:10.759
Well he was. He was a psychic, but he was

575
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.119
also some kind of doctor.

576
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.759
And he he was like, I don't think you guys

577
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.680
are dealing with a ghost or anything. I think this

578
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.119
is a demon. You should talk to a demonologist.

579
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.440
Well I think he said that that was more because

580
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.960
people don't get haunted by ghosts, I think is what

581
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:28.440
he was getting out, and get haunted by by entities

582
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.480
like demons. They don't get haunted because ghosts haunt places

583
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.960
and uh yeah yeah, which which I've always heard in

584
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.920
all of these kinds of horror movies. There's always that

585
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.240
thing where it's like, you're not dealing with a ghost,

586
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.839
You're dealing with a demon. Is like the bad news. Yeah,

587
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.799
the biggest bad news you can get.

588
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.039
Like, well, when there's a ghost, like you can kind

589
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:47.319
of almost reason with it.

590
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.839
Maybe maybe, But ghosts aren't inherently benevolent.

591
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.960
No, that's true.

592
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.920
You know they like every ghost is not bad or

593
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.680
you know, wants to hurt you or whatever. I mean,

594
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.799
they could be they I mean, I don't believe in ghosts,

595
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.680
but I mean based on the lore of ghosts, it's

596
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.119
like they can vary a lot in what they're like,

597
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.480
but demons would not. They only intend to cause harm.

598
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:21.000
Yeah, so bad bad news. But after discussing things with

599
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:26.440
the psychic, Katie's like way more perturbed and she wants

600
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.279
to follow his advice. But Mika is like, Okay, this

601
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.160
is getting out of again. He's not being dismissive of her.

602
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.359
He's like, I still think that things are going on

603
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.559
it and I just don't think that contacting a demonologist

604
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.039
is actually going to do anything, and that obviously does

605
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:53.279
not please the entity that he's doesn't believe, and the

606
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.640
the psychic says like, don't interact with it, and Mika

607
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.960
keeps interacting with it by trying to film it, which

608
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:07.079
you know antagonizes it. And that's around the time the

609
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.200
first time we see that Katie standing over Mika in

610
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:17.920
her sleep gag. Yeah, and it well, it did. It

611
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.319
did kind of remind me because you've sleep talked before,

612
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.480
and it reminded me of that. But it, you know,

613
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.559
it's the kind of thing where like again it it.

614
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.920
Sleep is a point when you're so vulnerable that when

615
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.759
someone starts acting weird in and around sleep, it just

616
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:47.319
is super unsettling because you know everyone around them is

617
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.759
vulnerable and when they start acting off, it's like, Okay,

618
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.559
that's not a that's not a good thing.

619
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.839
Well, I think that interpersonal relationships tend to hit a

620
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.319
lot of friction when sleep is damaged. When when there's

621
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.319
poor sleep, people are not They don't act their best,

622
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.440
Yeah they are, They don't handle situations very well. Nobody's

623
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:11.679
happy to lose sleep.

624
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.960
No, I mean I'm not.

625
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.480
I'm not a fan myself.

626
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.360
No, But and and you know, there's been countless, countless

627
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.079
studies about like, you know, losing sleep and how damaging

628
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:31.679
it can be for you. And yeah, the movie definitely

629
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:37.239
plays on as things escalate at night, they're both not

630
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.719
only getting more freaked out by what's going on, but

631
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.840
they're also getting more and more exhausted and more like

632
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.639
almost fed up with each other because they're just so

633
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.280
run thin by not getting enough sleep and then being

634
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.800
terrorized by everything all the time, which.

635
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.920
Was taken to an even bigger extent in blair Witch Project.

636
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.119
I mean they oh, yeah, you know, they're they're tired,

637
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.719
they're cold, they're hungry, and and all of that is

638
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.760
why that's why the blair Witch Project has such an

639
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.880
immense amount of lore building and questions unanswered that people

640
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.559
want to know, you know, is there really a blair

641
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.679
Witch or was it just them going crazy? And stuff

642
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.639
is because they had so many external factors happening, and

643
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.920
I think I think with Mika's character, he did want

644
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.079
to prove that nothing was going on, but I don't

645
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.480
think that that was with ill intent. I think he

646
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.159
wanted to be able to show her so that she

647
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.960
could hopefully gain solace. Exactly wanted to be able to go, look,

648
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.039
nothing happened. Yeah, and then she could go oh, and

649
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.840
they'd be like it's going to be okay. But also

650
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.880
I think that you know, when it's like she keeps

651
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.880
messing up his sleep every night, I mean, from his perspective,

652
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.239
she's messing up asleep. Yeah, yeah, you know, because if

653
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.039
she's freaking out and stuff, and from his perspective, she's

654
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.360
the only person there, so she's wrecking asleep every night.

655
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.840
So I can't blame him for getting a little snippy,

656
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.000
you know, and he's like, look, there's just nothing there. Yeah,

657
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.159
it's like there'd be some frustration going on. But I mean,

658
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.159
you know, nobody's acting, you know, their best when they're

659
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.239
dealing with activity of the paranormal persuasion.

660
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.960
Hmmm, almost like it's in the title.

661
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:18.039
Mmm.

662
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.760
And that's a check. We're going to take a quick

663
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.519
break and we'll be talking even more about this activity

664
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:26.719
of the paranormal type.

665
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:40.199
Yeah.

666
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:46.719
You had mentioned when we were watching Cloverfield yea, that

667
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.599
you really noticed going back over it with fresh eyes,

668
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.639
that one of the things that you felt that worked

669
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.320
against it was how just how glossy it was.

670
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.880
Yeah, and and not necessarily just from a picture quality

671
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.719
or sound quality standpoint, although there is that too, But

672
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.719
because it had all these like very like they were

673
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.679
all actors, like very like. If they weren't well known,

674
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.039
they became well known almost immediately. They were all very

675
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.199
for lack of a better and very actory type of actors.

676
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.320
They looked like actors. It looked like you turned on

677
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.800
a TV show. Yeah, because that's one thing. As much

678
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.719
as I don't you know, I sometimes can be a

679
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.599
bit harsh about why you pick a main character. The

680
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.079
lead actress in Paranormal Activity does look like a like

681
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.480
a pretty average person. She does, and I don't mean

682
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.760
that as a dig. She doesn't look unattractive or slovenly,

683
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.280
but she just looks like a person you could meet. Yeah.

684
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.159
I feel like if if she was a teller at

685
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.760
the bank, I would not be caught off guard.

686
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.800
I would be because I saw paranormal Activity. But otherwise

687
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.440
I get you. I get you. Otherwise I'd be like,

688
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.559
holy crap. And then I'd be like, yeah, show, but

689
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.320
it sucks. Huh. You know, at least this gets you

690
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.360
dental again. Dental right, But no, Uh, that's all is like.

691
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.000
That's the other thing, is like, Yeah, they're believable looking people.

692
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.320
I mean Blair Witch product, they were believable looking people.

693
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.000
So that's another element of the glossiness and paranormal activity.

694
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.079
Like they even have that which I honestly is almost

695
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.400
like cringey to me. They have that whole scene where

696
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.119
he's like putting the wireless microphone on her, and I

697
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.119
was like, ah, I mean, at least they're trying. Because

698
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.079
that's something that's really important to me with found footageways

699
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.039
is you have to have it be believable everything that's happening. Yes,

700
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.679
So making it believable that we can hear her talking

701
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.159
so clearly and stuff. I get that. I get that,

702
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.480
especially with the technology of that time period, because now

703
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.320
you could, you know, you could just use the on

704
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:55.280
camera microphone and augment it with you know, algorithms and

705
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.079
AI to make it sound better. But back then, if

706
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.920
you wanted to really hear somebody from the other side

707
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.920
of the room and know they'd be in eligible, you

708
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.679
had to put a wireless microphone on them. There was

709
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.280
no other option at all. Yeah, So but yeah, yeah,

710
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.480
the glossiness I think does take me out of it.

711
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.559
I like, I like when I when I can't the

712
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.679
least amount I could figure out holes in the logic

713
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.199
of the filming, the better. Yes, Like I want it

714
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.800
to be as believable as possible. That you know, this

715
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.000
was just somebody with a camera or whatever, and you know,

716
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:31.480
having him be a very successful day trader was a

717
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.039
really smart way to excuse why they were filming on

718
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.280
a relatively expensive camera, although an older camera. I mean

719
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.199
they could have filmed on a nicer one. Oh yeah,

720
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.440
but they didn't have the money. Yeah, I mean the

721
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.920
actual money for the production. So but I do like that.

722
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.159
I think that that you know, feeds into like, you know,

723
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.400
guys and their toys. So but yeah, yeah, it is

724
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.079
like Cloverfield has just way a ton of like that

725
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.800
movie's so glossy that there is a part when they

726
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.519
show that I think the first time you kind of

727
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.480
get an inkling of the monster off in the distance.

728
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.320
They grain up the footage a bunch and you actually

729
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.599
notice how grainy the footage is because the movie's just

730
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.079
not that grainy in general.

731
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:09.800
Yeah.

732
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.039
Yeah, And and paranormal activity, I mean, the other thing they

733
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.519
did that they kind of established this is a new

734
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.880
trope was using the night vision, you know, using which

735
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.320
got way more intense after that from lots of different movies.

736
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.320
But and that stuff became you know, super tropy from

737
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.920
there and night vision and stuff looks wrong, it looks

738
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.119
it's bad. Yeah, as far as like image integrity, yeah,

739
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:39.519
and that's what makes people like it, you know. So yeah,

740
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:41.800
I mean it's definitely a gloss difference. I mean, what

741
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:43.360
do you what do you? What are your thoughts on it?

742
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.280
Well, not only because like I was, you made that

743
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.559
comment last week, so I was kind of keeping it

744
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.079
in mind as we were watching Paranormal Activity.

745
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.559
And because women never forget that when you say something.

746
00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:03.039
That tas like elephants. But I kept it in mind.

747
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.920
And so one thing that I was noticing was like

748
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:13.079
the lighting was often very imperfect, but that that made

749
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.000
it believable. It made it feel like a guy who's

750
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.039
not a you know, into film.

751
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.719
Yeah, yeah, he's a early hobbyist.

752
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.119
Yeah, he's just doing the best with what he's got,

753
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.519
you know. I love that. And another thing that I

754
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:33.840
really liked is I do I love the expanse. I

755
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.639
love the urban chaos of Cloverfield, sure, but Paranormal Activity

756
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:46.960
is so claustrophobic and I feel like that also comes

757
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.639
down to, it's it's not so glossy, it's not so refined.

758
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:57.599
It's just like being imprisoned in your own home and

759
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.599
all you have is this little camera. No I would

760
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:01.800
agree to document it.

761
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.440
So one thing I think that paranormal activity really did

762
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.960
well to kind of reinvent the wheel is Before paranormal activity,

763
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.719
I always felt like if you wanted to tell a

764
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.639
really scary found footage story, you pretty much needed to

765
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.199
be almost all in one night, you know, where everything

766
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.280
happens all at once, and it's just a deluge. Now

767
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.039
Blair Witch Project takes place over a couple of days instead,

768
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.679
you know, maybe a week almost, but it's a week

769
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.960
lost in the woods. I feel like that's different. It's

770
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.800
like being at home for a week. But when I

771
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.880
saw paranormal activity, especially after I watched a few more times,

772
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.239
it takes place over like a month or so. Yeah,

773
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.760
And that actually works really well because it leaves you

774
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.559
to fill in the blanks of how things were going

775
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.239
for all that time that we weren't seeing things filmed.

776
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.199
Because while there may not have been much ghost activity

777
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.159
during that period that we or away, they that means

778
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.119
I mean they had you know, dozens of meals together

779
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.280
where who knows what they talked about or how well

780
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.280
they're getting along, who knows how they're sleeping. On the nights,

781
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.760
nothing happens because.

782
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.760
You're waiting for something to happen.

783
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.920
Yeah, yeah, it's still you're having sleep anxiety about it.

784
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.920
So I think that that actually I found that that

785
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.920
made it work. It made it feel more like the

786
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:27.960
fuse was very, very slowly burning. Yes, And that's something

787
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.400
I've always thought that it did really well because Cloverfield

788
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.280
did a great job of being all in once, you know,

789
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.679
in one night, really good job of that, because that

790
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:41.039
immediacy really helps push the adrenaline. Yes, but with this film,

791
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.280
it's like it pushed the dread. And I think that

792
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.400
that works really well for it, because you know, the

793
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.000
most important thing in a found footage movie is how

794
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:56.199
it ends, because why is the footage found? Yeah, that

795
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.559
is super important and almost all, although there are exceptions,

796
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.920
it's not good that the footage is found. It wasn't

797
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.199
found because somebody like forgot it in a rest area.

798
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.719
It's found because everybody's dead or missing or a mixture.

799
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.679
So but that means that, but that alone gives you

800
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.320
a sense of dread from the very beginning, because when

801
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.800
you see, because when you see when you put on

802
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.639
a found footage movie and see somebody like say up

803
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.079
the camera, going, hey, I'm a Paul, like been hearing

804
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.840
some weird stuff and I'm in college, so I need

805
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.039
to like I needed to make a video essay anyway,

806
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.280
like I've always known this way. You're like, Paul's gonna

807
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.480
die horribly, like you already know. Yeah, I just wonder

808
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:36.320
how and when.

809
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.920
Yeah, like yeah, like you know, I know the destination.

810
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.800
I want to experience the journey or.

811
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.920
Maybe I don't know. I'm afraid of it, but that's

812
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.719
why I'm here. I'm watching it because it's scary. So

813
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.079
that's that's an element that I think they do very

814
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.280
very well, is kind of keeping that dread going. I mean,

815
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.400
and like the Blair Witch Project, I mean literally the

816
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.960
marketing was like they all disappear, their footage is found

817
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.480
years later. Yeah, they even say it, so you don't

818
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.119
even have to assume it. They're telling you like they

819
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.880
disappear and then we find their footage. So you're really

820
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.119
full of dread all through Blair Witch Project. But uh,

821
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.519
we'll take a quick break and uh I'll postulate more

822
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.800
fascinating insights into the found footage genre right after this.

823
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.679
So you've got a lot of experience, Well maybe not

824
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.760
a ton, but you've got more experience than the average

825
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.679
person writing and directing found footage movies.

826
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:46.800
I would I would call it a lot in the

827
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.320
average person. I think I have. I think I have

828
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:53.159
more experience than the average filmmaker with making found footage.

829
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.440
We because I mean we did have done what for

830
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.199
I think four features and then the TV series which

831
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.320
I directed two two episodes of and produced the whole shebang.

832
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:04.840
So do I have a lot of experience with found

833
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:05.639
footage movies?

834
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:13.119
So between clover Field and Paranormal Activity, which one do

835
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.159
you think has the stronger script?

836
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.079
See, that's a that's a loaded question. Which are the

837
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.960
best questions to ask when you're on you know, a

838
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.639
show exactly? But that is that's a loaded question because

839
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.280
there are two schools of thought. Which is the better

840
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.000
script or which is the better found footage movie? Okay,

841
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.960
because they're not the same thing, They're not always the

842
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.559
better script. You know scripts. The goal of a script is, well,

843
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.039
people would say, I think somebody would argue, well, the

844
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.360
goal of the script is to make a good movie.

845
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.199
That is not really the case. A script is its

846
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.800
own art form, yeah, and turning a script into a

847
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.719
film is its own art form. That's why they're they're

848
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.360
different jobs. That's why there's a different word. It's not

849
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.920
just writer and that's who made the whole movie. It's writer,

850
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.920
and then there's a director and a producer and they're

851
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.119
that's a skill set. So and the script always changes

852
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.440
a lot, oh yeah, to become a movie. But but

853
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.679
that doesn't mean that. I mean, it's very common and

854
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.440
people will sometimes get crummy about it, and I understand why,

855
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.079
but they'll they'll be mad because they bought my script

856
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.400
and said it was like the best script they ever read,

857
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.840
and then they changed everything when they made the movie.

858
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.280
And it's like, well, sometimes that can be because they're

859
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.360
you know, they're over controlling and they just want to

860
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:24.960
make it their own and da da da da da.

861
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.239
And sometimes it's because it just doesn't translate. It's solid

862
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.400
on the page and on the screen it just doesn't

863
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.760
make sense. Or it's same thing with adapting a book

864
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.159
to a movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's like there's lots of

865
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.079
elements in movies that don't really work, or elements in

866
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.960
books that don't really work in movies. Yeah, tons of elements,

867
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:48.159
including insanely expansive storytelling. You know, turning a three hundred

868
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.639
and fifty page book into a ninety minute movie is

869
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:55.800
a freaking brutal it's stuff in that book. Yeah. So

870
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.360
from a traditional screenwriting standpoint, I mean, you want to

871
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.199
have a beginning, in a middle, and an end. You

872
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.920
want to have a main character that goes through a

873
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.079
journey where there's changes. I mean, like, there are a

874
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.480
lot of elements that are traditionally what you want from

875
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.800
a screenplay to keep it engaging and to optimize storytelling

876
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.280
for that format. Yeah. Yeah, So with that, it probably

877
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.239
would be Cloverfield because I'd almost guarantee Cloverfield had a

878
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.719
more traditional screenplay from the start. Yeah, because it even

879
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.519
as a found footage movie, it comes off more as

880
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.519
a traditional movie. It has a very clear beginning, middle,

881
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.280
and end. It has a very clear kind of attitude

882
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.559
about who are the main characters. Although you know it's

883
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.519
a thriller movie, it's a horror movie, so like it

884
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.400
has people dying and you don't expect it has unexpected

885
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.079
twists and turns, which is necessary. But with Paranormal Activity

886
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.199
it's much more loose, It's much more kind of what

887
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.519
is happening is happening. I mean, it does have decent

888
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.519
pacing and supposedly one of the first things Jason Blum

889
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.719
did when he bought on as a producer on the film,

890
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.400
because he came on after the movie was done. I mean,

891
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.760
Oren Peiley didn't have any connections in show business. In fact,

892
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.719
Jason Blum bought in when he was still at Miramax,

893
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:12.360
before he'd fund he had fully founded Blumhouse. Wow. So

894
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.480
when he came on, one of the first things he

895
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.599
did was he helped Oren re edit the whole film

896
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.239
because Oren shot it, directed it, edited it, wrote it,

897
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.920
he did it all, you know, he helped him re

898
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.719
edit it to try and make it a stronger film,

899
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.519
and then he got it into sun Dance. That was

900
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.239
like his big contribution initially.

901
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:30.519
Okay, wow.

902
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.320
So I think that the movie definitely has better pacing

903
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.519
than it probably did when it started out, which is

904
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.280
the thing. I mean, it happens all the time, So

905
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.719
I don't know, I mean, like I think that I

906
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.400
think that, you know, definitely, Paranormal Activity is the better

907
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:48.280
found footage movie. I think it's the scarier movie. But

908
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.480
from a storytelling standpoint, it is very sparse in many ways.

909
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.159
I mean, it has a lot of good subtlety in it,

910
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:56.960
but I think a lot of that comes from the

911
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.960
actors improvisation, which is good and I think is better

912
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.800
for the type of you know, the subgenre to have actors.

913
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.559
I mean, they did the thing you do when you're

914
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.280
doing really intensely improvised work, which is the characters are

915
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.400
named after the actors.

916
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:13.800
Yeah.

917
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.880
Yeah, and that's that's just a very easy trick to

918
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.119
kind of keep things, you know, feeling realistic.

919
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:25.239
So but what do you think, Well, I agree with

920
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.880
you and disagree with you anyways, dare, which is of

921
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.800
course a cardinal sin. But no, I agree with you

922
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.039
in that if if you were to sit me down

923
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.719
with the script of Cloverfield and the script of Paranormal Activity,

924
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.039
paranormal activity is going to be a really sparse because

925
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.480
it is you know, it is a lot of it

926
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:57.960
just going on in the background, and it's like even

927
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:03.480
even like the scene where they set out like the

928
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.840
flower or baby powder or whatever, and then there's just

929
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:11.519
like those inexplicit, inexplicable footprints that's not going to be

930
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:15.599
very impressive as a you know, as a script, as

931
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.639
a screenplay. But that being said, the execution is perfect

932
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.199
because like the pacing, Like you said, the pacing is great.

933
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:33.280
Every scene feeds into the next and informs the rest

934
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:38.320
of the movie. It establishes the rules very very quickly.

935
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.760
The characters are very you know, very well developed. So

936
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.440
I think that that's kind of like the difference is like,

937
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:55.360
even if the script itself would be very sparse, I

938
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.400
feel like the execution was so perfectly done. That's why

939
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:04.039
it's the better found footage movie. Because I think ultimately,

940
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.119
if you were to take both of these movies and

941
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.239
refilm them as just being straight up, you know, horror,

942
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.039
you know, one would be you know, obviously the paranormal horror.

943
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.800
The other one would be like sci fi horror. I

944
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:26.119
feel like as movies input, clever Field would still be

945
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:31.119
rather impactful, but I feel that Paranormal Activity would lose

946
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.639
a lot in translation if you were to make it

947
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.679
a more straight regular horror movie.

948
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:40.559
I would agree with that for sure.

949
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.519
So yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of my thought. And

950
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.119
that also makes me think because I don't have as

951
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.400
much experience with you as you But when we filmed

952
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:56.000
our show or our episode for found footage the series,

953
00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:00.920
I really realized how much of found footage is improvisation.

954
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.440
Yeah, it's everything.

955
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.519
Yeah, that's something that you really as an audience member,

956
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.440
you don't often think of. But yeah, a lot of

957
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:14.599
it is just like playing make believe as the actors

958
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.800
and being like, okay, this is what's happening.

959
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.599
Now go it's it's technically the technical term is retroscripting.

960
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.119
Retroscripting it's when you have an outline that is planned

961
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.199
out and uh, and situations to improvise what you are

962
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.599
planned out, but there's no actual script. Yeah, you know,

963
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.599
a easy ways to say we're improving the movie, but

964
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.880
in reality it's it's there's there's a outline that you're

965
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.639
scripting it as you go though. Yeah yeah, you know,

966
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:42.360
but the bullet points are there, which is a lot

967
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.559
easier to work in than literally making it up as

968
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.119
you go. So, uh, but what do you take a

969
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.360
quick break and then uh, I guess we'll keep talking.

970
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:51.920
I get I guess that's what you do.

971
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.280
So we were before we came back on, we were

972
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.360
discussing that there was a bit of a found footage

973
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:21.239
boom uh kind of like between blair Witch projects up

974
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:26.679
until Paranormal Activity, there was quite a lot going on.

975
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.119
Well not quite quite a lot, but.

976
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.639
I I Don'm not familiar. No, there were very few

977
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:37.000
found footage movies until Paranormal Activity. You said between blair

978
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.280
Witch product and Paranormal Activity.

979
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.400
Sorry, I got myself confused because we were talking about

980
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.119
the timeline before.

981
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:48.159
You mean you mean post Yeah, when we were off

982
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.800
off break, we were talking about that. I was like,

983
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.760
I don't think that you literally said that.

984
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.119
Got myself confused.

985
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.119
Well, I mean if only the fact that there were sick.

986
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.000
There are six more entries into the Paranormal Activity franchise.

987
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.239
I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, one almost every year. Paranormal Activity

988
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.039
two came out in twenty ten, three, twenty twenty one

989
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:12.559
or twenty eleven, four, twenty twelve, five and fourteen, Part

990
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.800
six and fifteen, and then oh yeah, Paranormal Activity next

991
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.519
of kin. I don't know if I saw that one.

992
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:20.000
That one was. I think that one was. It was

993
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.199
during Covidish times. I think that might have went straight

994
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.719
to Paramount Plus. Oh, I can't remember if I watched

995
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.119
that one, but I just found out that they announced

996
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.760
Ian Twissan twiss On is doing Paranormal Activity eight, which

997
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.599
has come out next year. Ian Twissan, I think that's

998
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.119
all you say it or Tuissan Tuyson. He's Canadian, so

999
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.400
I assume that's a French name. That's the guy who

1000
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.360
who wrote and directed The Undertone, which I thought was

1001
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.360
a phenomenal horror movie that came out this year in theaters.

1002
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:48.599
So that's really exciting. I hope he does great with it.

1003
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.960
The Undertone was not a found footage movie, but it

1004
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.679
had elements of a found footage of being kind of

1005
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.639
found footage. But I mean, so that alone, it's spawned

1006
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.159
all those movies exactly well.

1007
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:04.000
And you had mentioned in the last episode like reck Yeah,

1008
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.760
you'd mentioned.

1009
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.400
When it was a Spanish movie, Yeah, Spanish movie series.

1010
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.599
And you mentioned like Diary of the Dead.

1011
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.719
But which was George A. Romero's official Night of Living

1012
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.199
Dead sequel that was found footage and had a lot

1013
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:26.360
of problems. I do enjoy it, but it really suffered

1014
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.639
from the why is this being filmed? How did you

1015
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.480
get this footage? Why is it edited like this? That

1016
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:32.039
kind of thing.

1017
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:39.280
Yeah, but how much do you think that was? How

1018
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:44.039
much do you think that was because of the technology

1019
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.079
that was becoming available, because like you even looked up

1020
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.880
like what camera they you know, used in paranormal activity,

1021
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:58.599
and like, you know, cam quarters were becoming more you know, eighties, nineties,

1022
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.519
early two thousands, p we're getting camquarterers, but now you're

1023
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.519
getting you know, better technology, you're getting more accessible and cheaper.

1024
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:08.760
Care well, it was at the same time that filmmaking

1025
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.000
was becoming democratized, which is things were cheaper so that

1026
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.480
you could it. Basically, there were filmmakers in the earliest

1027
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.599
days of film that said that filmmaking would not truly

1028
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:19.639
be an art medium until it was as affordable as

1029
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.800
a pen and paper. And that's I mean not we're

1030
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.639
not quite there, but at the same time we are

1031
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.320
because like everybody has a phone, and a phone is

1032
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.719
now a camera, so yeah, you actually it's almost cheaper

1033
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.039
in some ways, except because because it's a prerequisite to

1034
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.400
have a phone. But I mean, I think that one

1035
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.440
of the big because not all the not all of

1036
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:44.880
the found footage boom movies were literally inspired by paranormal activity.

1037
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.599
Some of them just simply became successful because paranormal activity

1038
00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:50.760
was so successful. Wreck is actually a really good example,

1039
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.800
because it came out in seven, okay, and it was

1040
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.239
a huge hit. It did a lot, It did a

1041
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.280
lot of money in Spain and the rest of the world,

1042
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.440
so you know that came earlier. Yeah, and of course

1043
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.800
huge hit when you're a small foreign movie is not

1044
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.599
you know, two hundred million dollars, but it's still a

1045
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.960
lot of money. So you the big reason that that

1046
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.679
found footage movies took off was, yeah, it was affordable

1047
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.760
to create over in Peley had said that the idea

1048
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.320
of not needing a crew made the production simpler and

1049
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.079
cheaper immensely. But that's I mean, that's what it comes

1050
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:32.079
down to is money first, and then storytelling is is second.

1051
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.079
It's a different type of storytelling that you can if

1052
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.519
you if you lean into it. That's always been my

1053
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.199
methodology with making any kind of movie is if you

1054
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.920
can make the movie you're the story you're telling makes

1055
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.639
sense with what you have to tell it, then you're good. Yeah. Yeah,

1056
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:48.960
so if you only have eighty bucks, then it should

1057
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.480
probably take place in like two rooms of a house

1058
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.559
that you already have access to. Well, then what's the

1059
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.760
best story you could tell that is limited like that?

1060
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.199
But I will say because you because because you said that,

1061
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.000
I will mention that I think the biggest negative elements

1062
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.400
in Paranormal Activity is the fact that it comes off

1063
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.320
a little over edited. It has a lot of fades,

1064
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.119
especially in the early parts. It has a lot of

1065
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.719
like little fade transitions and stuff that I don't like.

1066
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.199
They take me out of it. And I do think

1067
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.800
that it was a misstep using such an expensive camera,

1068
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.079
I really do. I think that they were afraid that

1069
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.239
if they had used a really cheap handicam that it

1070
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.400
wouldn't have been able to get out there. I think

1071
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:36.920
there are a lot of found footage movies that use

1072
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.320
like the most expensive camera they can get, and I

1073
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.320
think it always looks slame. That's another thing. So when

1074
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.199
I was saying The Asylum's knockoff paranormal Entity was more scarier,

1075
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.000
they definitely shot that with like an off the shelf

1076
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.159
sony handicam, like shamelessly. They just did. I'm sure they

1077
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:56.119
they probably I would guarantee they had professional sound, because

1078
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:58.280
you can say a lot of things about The Asylum,

1079
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.559
but they were always pro I mean they they made

1080
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.920
movies that passed quality control and got released all over

1081
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.519
the world. They knew what they were doing. Yeah, but

1082
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.840
they definitely shot that on like a handicap, and I

1083
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.559
think that I think it for me, Paranormal Activity would

1084
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:13.119
be even scarier if it had been shot on like

1085
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.079
the cheapest camera you could get a best buy in

1086
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.199
two thousand and seven.

1087
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.400
No, I do, I do have to agree, But it.

1088
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.880
Was still one of the biggest successes ever. So what

1089
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.119
do I know? But I think honestly, I think even

1090
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.119
the sequels, they all look cheaper camera wise. Yeah, I

1091
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.639
mean not just the ones that take place in the

1092
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.280
way in the past, because there's one that's in the

1093
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.920
eighties that I or nineties that I really like. But

1094
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.960
I do. That's my biggest negative is I like found personally.

1095
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.280
I like found footage movies the most when there is

1096
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.480
zero editing suggested, and it's the idea that you're watching

1097
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.239
straight raw footage. So all the cuts are because somebody

1098
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:49.320
stopped recording, and all the starts are because somebody started recording.

1099
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:51.719
That doesn't mean that that's always the way you can go,

1100
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.039
and sometimes it's almost impossible to do that. Some of

1101
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.199
my favorite found footage movies, the whole argument is, like

1102
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.079
we compiled this to make to make it clear you

1103
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:02.880
know what happened. I mean, I think I put that

1104
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:06.519
in Amityville No Escape, one of one of my my

1105
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.880
favorite found footage movies I've done. I put in there

1106
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.840
that like it would have been put together to contextualize

1107
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.719
the events for legal purposes or something. Yeah, or no, No,

1108
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.280
I think that was Devil's Trail was the one that

1109
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.800
I said that. But yeah, so, I mean, you know,

1110
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:21.199
the audience is going to know the movies assembled, but

1111
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.880
I try to hide that as much as possible. But

1112
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.639
Paranormal Activity coming along so early, I think that's one

1113
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:30.119
of the reasons they can get away with that because

1114
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:33.320
it hadn't the rules air quotes hadn't really been established,

1115
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.039
Like what people are hoping for, what they're expecting from

1116
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.000
found footage movies was pretty minimal. It's basically just like

1117
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:41.400
Blair Witch Project. And there were other found footage movies

1118
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.480
before Paranormal Activity, for sure, but that was a boom

1119
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.679
after that. I mean, the fact that you could say, hey,

1120
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.039
we made like one of the scariest movies you've ever seen,

1121
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.960
and it made two hundred million dollars and you know,

1122
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:54.639
we didn't even really know how to make a movie,

1123
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:58.000
we just did it this style. That's addictive. Hey, yeah,

1124
01:01:58.039 --> 01:01:59.719
I mean, but what I mean, what do you think?

1125
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.480
I mean, I'm guessing probably think similarly, because I don't

1126
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.039
know what other reason there could be.

1127
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.880
Honestly, well, I know, I absolutely agree. I think that,

1128
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:13.320
you know, on both counts, I feel that giving paranormal

1129
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.960
activity a little more character on screen with a cheaper

1130
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.239
camera would have been a good move. I can understand

1131
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:26.960
why they didn't, sure, but I any time there is

1132
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:32.440
on screen a reason for the film to be low fidelity,

1133
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.119
it just adds character to me, and I feel like

1134
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:42.199
it makes it sells the found footage trope a little

1135
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:49.039
bit more. And I also agree, like obviously the cameras

1136
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.440
being way more accessible and way cheaper and the democrazation

1137
01:02:54.920 --> 01:03:01.199
democratization of film played into that hugely. But I also

1138
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:07.639
think that the I mean, obviously the Internet had a

1139
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.599
lot to do with it, because YouTube had been around

1140
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:16.280
long enough that it was kind of established that you

1141
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:23.039
can find really interesting or scary videos just out there

1142
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.280
that people have uploaded. And you know, we discussed it

1143
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.800
a little bit last week. But like post nine to eleven,

1144
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:37.079
there's a lot less trust in the establishment in news.

1145
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.840
There's a lot more you know, us getting our news

1146
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.960
from each other, just like by spreading viral videos. So

1147
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:48.559
I feel like that culture also kind of was the

1148
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:54.639
perfect breeding ground to create this artistic medium of bound

1149
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.519
footage the way that we know it today.

1150
01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.440
Well, and I also know there's no way I could

1151
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.199
get into it. I mean it would take it would

1152
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:02.639
take forever, and I would need to do a lot

1153
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:07.159
of extra research. But in Japan they did an insane

1154
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:11.239
amount with found footage as well, very early on. Okay,

1155
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.320
So I mean there's an incredible amount of strange and

1156
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.199
fascinating found footage Japanese movies even then from the nineties

1157
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.440
some so uh, they ran with it as well. But

1158
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.440
we're going to take a quick break and then we'll

1159
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.800
talk about whatever we're going to talk about after this.

1160
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.800
So we we already discussed a little bit the less

1161
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:47.920
is more philosophy in horror, but especially with found footage.

1162
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.760
But toward the like climax of the film is when

1163
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:57.760
they really start utilizing that to the fullest, because I'd

1164
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.159
already discussed like the foot sept sequence when they lay

1165
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:07.760
out the baby powder, but that's also when like Katie

1166
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:14.000
starts like standing over Mika even more and she like

1167
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.440
you know, is just standing there for hours on end,

1168
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.199
and of course the end of the movie, the final

1169
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.000
scene is you know, like her standing there for hours

1170
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.239
and then you know, going downstairs and all that unfolding.

1171
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.800
But as as I was watching it, and as we

1172
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:36.199
were discussing this whole philosophy, it got me to thinking about, like,

1173
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:42.480
why why it's so scary to get so like, to

1174
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:46.679
get so little information in a film. Why the less

1175
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:53.880
is more philosophy is so effective, and like the movie

1176
01:05:54.079 --> 01:06:00.360
is so strong because it forces you as the viewer

1177
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:05.239
to be hyper vigilant because there's so little going on

1178
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:10.400
at any one moment, you're like fixated on the background

1179
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:14.119
and you're like really trying to hear every little detail,

1180
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.239
and so it's almost like you scare yourself before the

1181
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.679
movie has a chance to Yeah, and so you like

1182
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:26.519
prime yourself and you become complicit in scaring yourself. And

1183
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.360
are there any Are there any other films that you

1184
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:35.679
can think of that really did that well for you?

1185
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:36.679
Oh? God? Yeah.

1186
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:37.199
No.

1187
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:41.480
One of the most polarizing films of the last twenty

1188
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.599
or thirty or maybe even forty years, which is Skinnamernc.

1189
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.519
You've mentioned skinnam Rink to me before.

1190
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:52.800
Skinamer Ink is legitimately the most polarizing film I can

1191
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.800
think of in the horror genre. People either think it

1192
01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:00.760
is literally so boring it's insulting, not just but like

1193
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.159
that it's insulting, that it's so meaningless, or they think

1194
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:09.400
it's really friggin scary. I am in the friggin scary camp.

1195
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.039
I think that it is a It is a very

1196
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:17.920
fascinating movie to watch. Very little happens, but the atmosphere

1197
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:20.760
is so thick. I mean, you couldn't You couldn't cut

1198
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:22.639
it with a knife unless the knife was damn sharp.

1199
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:27.119
It's it's really the atmosphere is insanely thick. I found

1200
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.840
the movie to be almost subconsciously affecting. And I'm not

1201
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.199
saying that that's like the filmmakers are so genius, they

1202
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:36.920
knew what they were doing exactly. But that movie reminds

1203
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.400
me of being a child and sneaking around my house

1204
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.239
at night when everybody's asleep because I'm just a little

1205
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:49.519
friggin goblin. And that movie, because so little happens, you

1206
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:54.679
are constantly your eyes are searching the screen for because

1207
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.239
something does things do happen. Well, some people claim literally

1208
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.719
nothing happens, but you know, because they're mad, like and

1209
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.119
if you don't like it, that's fine. But I when

1210
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.639
I sat down and watched it, I remember I was

1211
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:09.679
watching it with my buddy Dave, and we were kind

1212
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:11.840
of like on the fence about whether we cared or

1213
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.280
not because we missed it in the theater so I

1214
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:17.119
had to rent it at home. But then about ten

1215
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.960
minutes in it just something about it just got us.

1216
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:21.399
It just pulled us in because I remember at one

1217
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.760
point we both put our phones away entirely because we're like,

1218
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:26.319
oh man, we got to pay attention if we want

1219
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.159
to get this, like, we got to really pay attention.

1220
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.800
And it like almost puts you in like a fugue

1221
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.520
state in some ways because you're staring at the screen

1222
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:36.279
and it's super grainy. It's not found footage. I mean,

1223
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:39.279
it's a it's no, it's a it's a narrative feature.

1224
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.039
But it's super grainy because everything is so low light.

1225
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:45.720
And I swear, and I may just be insane, but

1226
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:52.880
I swear the the the texture of the grain on

1227
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:57.880
the screen almost starts writhing because you stare at it

1228
01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:59.880
for so long it starts. I don't know if it

1229
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.479
was just my eyes or if that was actually on purpose,

1230
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.119
but like it started to feel like the screen was

1231
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.920
almost like breathing, like it was just all moving because

1232
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.000
I started because you're staring at these these grain patterns,

1233
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.720
which is what happens when video boosts brightness. You're just

1234
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.000
staring at these grains, moving and moving and moving. And

1235
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:20.600
they kind of moved the same way over and over

1236
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:24.439
again when nothing's really happening on screen, and I found

1237
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:26.239
myself staring up to the point where they felt like

1238
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:28.399
they were starting to look like other things. To me,

1239
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.920
it was like hypnotic is the word. And I found

1240
01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.239
the movie really unsettling and creepy. I watched it. I've

1241
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.880
watched it twice and both times I loved it. But

1242
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.159
I know people who I mean, they think it is

1243
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.279
literally like like it was an insult to say, like,

1244
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.119
hey watch this, it's scary, and then it's it's just

1245
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.600
a living room. That's That's one of the memes was

1246
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.039
just people saying like, uh, skinn a marink fans in

1247
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.680
a theater and then it just it just shows a

1248
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:56.640
shot of an empty living room and then all cheering

1249
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:01.960
like crazy. So but I thought it was really sincerely scary.

1250
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.640
It's one I've been meaning to show you for a

1251
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:07.399
couple of years. It is. It's weird, and it's off putting,

1252
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:09.800
and you have to be one hundred percent in to

1253
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.359
get anything from it, you really do. And I loved

1254
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.520
that because I had to focus on it so intently

1255
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.119
to get something from it, and then I got so

1256
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:19.960
much from it. A lot of people did not, but

1257
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:22.279
I did so No. I think that's like the best

1258
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.359
example of there's there's so little there, but what you

1259
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.800
get does really mess with you. I mean, things do

1260
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:33.399
happen the space you're in, and that movie changes and shifts,

1261
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.279
and you really have to pay attention to notice when

1262
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.000
it happens, because if you if you miss something, which

1263
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:40.199
you will if you miss something, then all of a sudden,

1264
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.640
it feels like everything's changing all at once. But then

1265
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.199
when you watch it a second time, you're like, oh,

1266
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.640
it's been happening this whole time. Oh, So I liked it.

1267
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:48.239
I liked it a lot.

1268
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:50.199
Yeah that sounds really creepy. Okay, we're going to have

1269
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:50.640
to watch that.

1270
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:52.239
Yeah, skinn a Marine is a good one. That's what

1271
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:54.720
I've been debating doing on the show. But I was like,

1272
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.079
I don't know if I if I want to avoid

1273
01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:59.039
the haters or I want to dab on the haters.

1274
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:04.000
But for me, that's like one hundred percent a great

1275
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.159
example of Less is More, a phenomenal example. And maybe

1276
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:10.960
I'm crazy and it really is stupid and pointless, but

1277
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.960
I still got entertained, so I won. You know, like

1278
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.439
at the end of the day, Yeah, but do you

1279
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:18.640
have a film that you feel is like the most

1280
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.319
less is More kind of personified, like it does the

1281
01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.239
best job of or benefits the most from Less is More?

1282
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.439
Well, mine is now going to be a cop out

1283
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:31.199
because I was just going to say Digging Up the Marrow,

1284
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.159
because there's so many instances like you and I both

1285
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:39.560
had very similar experiences watching that movie because you told

1286
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.079
me how scary it was, so I went and watched

1287
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.119
it on my own one time, and you know, about

1288
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.159
halfway through the movie, I had to like turn it

1289
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:50.119
off and take a minute, Like turn on the line

1290
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:51.359
was the first jump scary?

1291
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:55.319
Yeah, because it lands so hard and you're really not

1292
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.199
ready And I don't know how you're not ready. It

1293
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.199
feels when I remember it. I'm like, it seems so

1294
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.600
obvious that was coming, but it really hit hard. Yeah,

1295
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:05.680
that's a that's a really solid one with that movie.

1296
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.680
I love digging up the Bear. I do that on

1297
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.880
the show, but we will soon. But it has a lot,

1298
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:15.760
It has celebrities, it has major special effects. Although they

1299
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.800
did a good job of doing a bad job with

1300
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:18.479
the special.

1301
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.479
Effects, yeah, which so much so that they even joke about.

1302
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:24.079
It, you should have lit it better, which is hilarious

1303
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:25.720
because like, the first thing you should do in a

1304
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:28.000
found footage thing is like do a bad job. And

1305
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.760
then Kane Hodter famous playing Jason, makes funs like, oh

1306
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.479
so this is found footage, which I thought was pretty fun.

1307
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.760
But that's why I said it's it's totally a cop

1308
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.840
out because it is such a more is more kind.

1309
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.119
Of movie in some ways, but then the scares are

1310
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.880
absolutely less is less in every way or less is

1311
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.880
more in every way. Yeah, but we'll take a quick

1312
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.600
break and pick each other's brains even more vigorously and

1313
01:12:50.680 --> 01:13:05.800
violently right after this. So we've dug around, and we've

1314
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:08.640
rooted around in this whole realm of found footage horror,

1315
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.079
and I do That's why I'm enjoying that we keep

1316
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:14.000
diving into more and more found footage movies because there's

1317
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.119
so much to talk about, Like I feel like we're

1318
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.039
never really running out of things to talk about in

1319
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:20.800
the genre, as well as the movies themselves. Yeah, so

1320
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.279
let's talk about the cream of the crop, the creme

1321
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:28.319
de la creme. The biggest element of this movie that

1322
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.399
is everything to it, and that is the ending in

1323
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.239
the last five to ten minutes. Because when you watch

1324
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.439
those commercials and those trailers where they show the people

1325
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.880
for you out, they're all reacting to the ending because

1326
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:43.199
there aren't a lot of big scares in Paranormal Activity,

1327
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:45.119
and that's fine. Yeah, yeah, though I can't wait to

1328
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.119
show you Paranormal Entity because it has a couple of

1329
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:49.720
big scares that, like, I remember the first time I

1330
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:51.800
was watching it, there was one scare went nope, like

1331
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:55.800
it really hit me hard. So anyway, so let's talk

1332
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.359
about the ending. You know, all this paranormal stuff is escalating.

1333
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.039
At one point, they call the psychic back in and

1334
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.800
he walks in and immediately goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, I

1335
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:06.399
should not be in here. And that was a great

1336
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:09.239
one too, because I the last time he had been there,

1337
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:11.000
the last time I'd watched the movie, I got the

1338
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:12.920
sense he was afraid for his own safety, But this

1339
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.920
time around, I was like, no, he's afraid for their safety.

1340
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:16.880
Yeah, he's kind of like you should have brought me here.

1341
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:20.560
He's mad, I'm agitating it, so I'm going to leave, Like,

1342
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:21.359
I will.

1343
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:23.039
Call you when I'm in the driveway so I can

1344
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:24.239
give you further instruction.

1345
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.279
Yeah. Yeah, So I thought that all was really cool.

1346
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:30.279
And there was the epic scene with the Ouiji board

1347
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:32.800
catching on fire but then having no scorch marks later

1348
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:33.680
and stuff.

1349
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:38.399
And they fo Yeah, Mika finds the photograph, the burned

1350
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:40.560
up photograph of her up in the attic, and it

1351
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.960
was supposed to be burned in a fire from when

1352
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:43.800
she was like thirteen.

1353
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.640
And that's the big thing they keep pushing, is this

1354
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.600
idea that there was a fire when she was younger,

1355
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.319
and that's kind of where this all started. But obviously,

1356
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.640
and rightfully so, it's not fully explained, because that would

1357
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.000
negate the point of it being a found footage movie,

1358
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.680
which is that not everything gets explained. And that is

1359
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:00.840
the problem I have would later seek is they sometimes

1360
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.319
try to make it make too much sense. Okay, Yeah,

1361
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:07.119
but I do appreciate the creativity. Yeah, because they're not unrelated.

1362
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:10.479
They're not unrelated movies. They end up being related, all

1363
01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:14.079
of them do evally. Yeah. Yeah. But so now we're

1364
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:16.199
we're in the point now where I mean, we've seen

1365
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:20.479
the talcum powder footprints, and we've seen the Scared Psychic,

1366
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:23.399
and we've seen the you know, all of this stuff.

1367
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.920
Their relationship is fraid as hell, but they're really trying

1368
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.760
to stick it out together. There are a couple of

1369
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.000
really sweet scenes where like they're getting back into bed

1370
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:33.159
and you know, she cuddles up with him because it's

1371
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:35.640
clear she doesn't hate him, she's just scared as shit. Yeah,

1372
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:38.359
you know, and he's scared too. But then we get

1373
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:42.880
to kind of the notorious thing the last night. Yeah.

1374
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:47.520
Well, so Mika had initially been suggesting, like, let's get

1375
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:50.840
out of here, let's go to a hotel. Yeah, and

1376
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:54.880
and and Katie was about it at first, and then

1377
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.600
as things progress and things starts happening, she's like, no, actually,

1378
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.960
I don't think there is any escape. We should just

1379
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:03.439
stay here.

1380
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:05.720
Yeah. And they had been they had been saying that

1381
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:08.000
if they left, it would probably just make it angrier.

1382
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:14.199
Yeah. So they try to go to bed and you know,

1383
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:18.960
set up the camera just like normal, and as has

1384
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:25.239
been getting more and more frequent, around midnight, Katie gets

1385
01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:32.399
up out of bed and stands there menacingly for hours

1386
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:36.439
and hours and hours, and then around like three three am,

1387
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.000
she goes downstairs and the footage goes back to normal

1388
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.520
and she starts screaming bloody murder.

1389
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.039
Well she leaves the room.

1390
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:50.079
Yeah yeah, because she goes downstairs, you can't see her anymore.

1391
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.520
Yeah, yeah, so we're hearing her from from outside. Yeah, yeah.

1392
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:56.840
Yeah. So Mika wakes up, bolts up out of bed,

1393
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.199
runs downstairs, and then we hear him screaming, and we

1394
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:03.000
hear like a scuffle. We hear, you know, some kind

1395
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:06.760
of altercation, and then it goes silent, and then we

1396
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:13.119
hear thot thud, and it gets louder and it's footsteps

1397
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:19.359
coming up the stairs, and then the footsteps stop and

1398
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:24.600
then Mika's body just gets hurled across the room, you know,

1399
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.399
crashes in front of straight to the cameras, crashes in

1400
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:32.800
front of the camera. Katie thuds up the stairs and

1401
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:38.199
into frame, and her shirt is just covered in blood,

1402
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.920
walks up to Mika's body, leans down and like it

1403
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:45.840
looks like sniffing it or something like, and then looks

1404
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.560
at the camera and grins all demonically, and.

1405
01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:52.000
They kind of her face to make it like creepier,

1406
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.239
which is a little cheesy, but I like.

1407
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:55.319
It's a good touch.

1408
01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:00.880
And then she just goes at the camera. It kills

1409
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.359
the camera, yep. And then we and then I believe,

1410
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.199
we get informed that she was never found. Everybody found,

1411
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:10.159
that she's still missing. Yeah, and I don't hate that ending.

1412
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.279
I think it works pretty well. I know that Steven

1413
01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:14.039
Spielberg was one of the people who kind of pushed

1414
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.439
for that ending, a little bit more of a crowd

1415
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:19.119
pleasing ending. The alternate ending that people that that they

1416
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:23.479
also did not including the original ending, yeah, was the

1417
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:25.680
one where it's all that same stuff, except she slits

1418
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.880
her throat At the end, she walks up holding the

1419
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:30.399
knife that she killed him with and slits her throat.

1420
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:33.239
I actually think that's a better ending, But when you

1421
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:36.520
see the sequels, you'll prefer that she doesn't die because reasons.

1422
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.880
But the original ending, which I had not seen until

1423
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:41.800
we watched it together, I thought I had seen the

1424
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.960
original ending is way more involved. After he's dead, she

1425
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.439
comes up the stairs. She does have a knife and

1426
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.039
she's covered in blood, and then she sits there and like, well,

1427
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.880
she stiffs him, doesn't she still or is that none

1428
01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:56.880
in that part? I can't remember.

1429
01:18:57.039 --> 01:18:59.000
I don't. We don't see his dead body in the

1430
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:02.920
original totally, which I like that.

1431
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:05.680
I like that a ton that we don't get that.

1432
01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:07.960
But so she comes up with the knife near the

1433
01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:09.960
camera and then she just sits and rocks back and forth,

1434
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:11.880
and they do the gag, but this time she rocks

1435
01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:13.880
back and forth into the daytime.

1436
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:19.840
She gets her friend yet like where are you? We

1437
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.880
haven't heard from you?

1438
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.760
And then the sister shows up, and I believe the

1439
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.479
sister shows up and you hear her like freak out,

1440
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:29.600
but I'm pretty sure that that uh the main character.

1441
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.000
She doesn't leave the room, though, so something else gets her,

1442
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:35.199
we don't know what. And then even longer the police

1443
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.239
show up, and the big gag there is that she

1444
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.239
finally stands up the thinking and she starts selling Meka

1445
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:42.399
because she thinks maybe Mika is there, and it's the cops.

1446
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:45.159
She's holding the knife. They shoot her. Yeah, and that's

1447
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.520
the ending. The original original.

1448
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:52.039
Ending, and we watched, we watched all the endings, and

1449
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.399
it does draw out.

1450
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.119
But it's a bit said.

1451
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:01.720
As far as explaining why you found the found footage

1452
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.760
the way you did, I think that explains it the best.

1453
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.600
I would agree. Well, I mean her killing herself would

1454
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.520
also explain it. Yeah, but no, I mean, it's not

1455
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.720
a terrible ending by any stretch. It's a very interesting, involved,

1456
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:18.520
realistic ending in many ways. And I like that. I mean,

1457
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.600
I like that she leaves the room and screams. I

1458
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:23.920
think that that makes a ton of sense because at

1459
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:26.399
that point, I think it's clear that we're dealing with possession.

1460
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.439
So sorry, Rachel and her scary, her scary affirmation sounds,

1461
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:37.039
but I think we're you know, we're dealing with that.

1462
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:40.039
So she leaves the room and starts screaming because this

1463
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:42.720
spirit knows, or this entity or whatever knows that it

1464
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.439
will draw Micah to her, so then you know, it

1465
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:50.600
can kill draw him out. So I think that all works.

1466
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.600
It all works really well. I like the official ending.

1467
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.239
I think all the endings are fine. Yeah, but you know,

1468
01:20:57.279 --> 01:20:59.560
and endings are hard, so but I like that one.

1469
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:04.159
No, I agree, I think it's good and of all

1470
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.399
the endings, I do see why they went with the

1471
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:11.560
crowd pleading pleasing ending. I think it does end it

1472
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.720
on kind of the perfect note to pull together that story.

1473
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:23.600
I just yeah, for me personally, the ending where she

1474
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:26.399
just sits there and rocks back and forth, and I

1475
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:31.000
think that just explains found footage the best. I would agree.

1476
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:33.279
That's my two cents, But what do I know?

1477
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.800
That's fair? That's also fair. Well, we're going to take

1478
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:37.760
a quick break and we'll wrap things up talk about

1479
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.199
our final thoughts on paranormal activity and what we're going

1480
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:55.560
to be talking about next time. Right after this, Rachel,

1481
01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:01.479
what is your final verdict in so far of your

1482
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.479
found footage Ouvra When it comes to paranormal activity.

1483
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:12.840
I'm gonna say, strictly for found footage films, I'm going

1484
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.319
to rate it as being a stronger found footage than Cloverfield. Okay,

1485
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.319
obviously I still have a soft spot in my heart

1486
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.319
for Cloverfield, but I am going to say, as far

1487
01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:29.199
as monster movies go, I still like clover Field very much.

1488
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:33.319
I feel like a lot of the since we did Cloverfield,

1489
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.000
a lot of this has been me saying nothing mean

1490
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:37.880
about Cloverfield, and then you defending Cloverfield fervently.

1491
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:42.479
Fair enough, I'm just so used to people hating on

1492
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:43.239
it so much.

1493
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:46.319
Well fair enough, I guess, but no, But I mean

1494
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:48.199
what I wasn't saying just to Cloverfield, I mean, like

1495
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:50.279
to found footage in general. Is it because Cloverfield's your

1496
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:51.399
favorite found footage movie?

1497
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:58.520
Partially because Cloverfield was my first introduction to found footage? Sure, so, uh,

1498
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:02.159
for better or worse, it is kind of the yardstick

1499
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:07.560
upon which all other found footage is measured. But also

1500
01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.800
because clever Field, you know, we watched it recently, so

1501
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:12.760
it's kind of the one that I can give the

1502
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:19.600
best comparison contrast too. As far as like, of all

1503
01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:24.479
of the found footage films that I've seen, I'm gonna,

1504
01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:26.640
you know, on a scale of one to ten, I'm

1505
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:31.720
gonna say that Paranormal Activity is like a good eighth. Yeah,

1506
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:34.479
it's pretty high up there on the list. I feel

1507
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:39.359
like it ticks all of the boxes, or the vast

1508
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:43.359
majority of the boxes that there could be for found footage.

1509
01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.199
Okay, I would not rank it that high actually, really,

1510
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:48.039
I mean, I like the movie, but I don't think

1511
01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:49.520
it's one of the best. I think that it. It

1512
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:52.079
did a really good job and it got out there,

1513
01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:54.119
and I don't think it's bad by any stretch. But

1514
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:58.760
I think there's so many, like really great, intense scary

1515
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:02.720
found footage movies that are like a non stop terror ride,

1516
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:04.920
and this one is still good. But it's not that.

1517
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:07.920
Well, that's fair, No, it is not that yet, I would.

1518
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.760
I really like Paranormal Act. I'm constantly defending it actually

1519
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:12.239
to people.

1520
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:19.000
I would see, I would characterize paranormal activity is most

1521
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:24.520
characterized by dread and not abject terror, so I can

1522
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.119
see there's a difference there.

1523
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:28.079
Oh. I mean, I don't think there's any harm in

1524
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.920
you liking it that much or anything like that or

1525
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:32.840
ranking it that high. It's just yeah, I would, I

1526
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.279
would rank other ones higher. But I still think it

1527
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:39.880
deserves its, you know, its stance as a poohba not

1528
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:41.680
maybe not a granddaddy of them all, but you know,

1529
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.119
it's up there, uncle of them all, you know, or

1530
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:47.880
what have you? So well, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

1531
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.800
We'll definitely watch some of the sequels. We were talking

1532
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:53.600
about it. If the sequels click really hard, we might

1533
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:57.079
do individual shows for the sequels, but if if we're

1534
01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.279
kind of not feeling it quite that way, then we

1535
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.760
may do like a sh about like all of the

1536
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:05.840
sequels in one. I don't know, we'll see. But next up,

1537
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:08.880
I'm really excited to show you this one because this

1538
01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:10.960
is one of and I haven't seen it in ten years,

1539
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:14.359
but this is one of my personal, like favorite found

1540
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.479
footage movies that like really freaked me out, and we

1541
01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:17.800
talked about it a little bit earlier.

1542
01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:21.319
Yeah, so we're gonna dive into REC from.

1543
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:26.079
I believe two thousand and seven Spanish made in Spain

1544
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:29.640
found footage horror movie which many people listening may have

1545
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:34.399
been familiar with REC because it was then reck. It's

1546
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:36.359
R e C. By the way, this always messed me

1547
01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:38.960
up when people say REC. It's short for record rec.

1548
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:41.479
I For years people would talk about it and I

1549
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.239
didn't realize because I only ever read it on the

1550
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:45.720
thing they say REC, and I would think they were

1551
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:49.239
talking about like a car. So, but it's rec R

1552
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:52.840
e C. It's a Spanish found footage movie, very scary,

1553
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:56.479
and a lot of fans and Spooky's listening may know

1554
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.920
the American remix, which was called Quarantine. That's bad but Wreck,

1555
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:02.960
in my opinion, wiped the floor with it. It was

1556
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.600
way scarier in every way. So that's just my opinion though.

1557
01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:09.119
But Reck I find very scary. I think the whole

1558
01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:12.520
series is really good, but the first one really it

1559
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.079
hits well. So I think that's going to be a

1560
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:17.800
really fun one because there are four total Wreck movies.

1561
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:21.319
Okay, so we're gonna, yeah, we're going to get into that.

1562
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:27.399
Our keep our found footage streak alive for now, I guess.

1563
01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:29.680
So, yeah, that seems to be. That seems to be

1564
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.279
the way the wind is blowing. I mean, nobody's been

1565
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:34.960
mad about it, including me, So I say, we yeah,

1566
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:38.079
we keep rocking them out. So and did you before

1567
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.399
we go, did you want to mention geek Out?

1568
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:43.600
Yeah? So I know that I mentioned it last time,

1569
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.359
and I would just like to plug it again that

1570
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.600
On June eleventh through fourteenth, I'm going to be at

1571
01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:55.600
geek Out, which is in College Corner outside of Oxford, Ohio.

1572
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:58.960
If you go to geek Outfestival dot com, you can

1573
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.880
get your tickets. And I actually did a good job

1574
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.800
this time and I actually pulled up like all our

1575
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:09.439
events and everything. We're going to have vendors. There's going

1576
01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.600
to be panels. It looks like there's going to be

1577
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:16.199
actually a tabletop RPG room going on every single day,

1578
01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:21.199
every single day from noon to midnight. There's a video

1579
01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:24.920
game room that's going to be going on every single day.

1580
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:29.159
And then of course we've got the fire and Flow

1581
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:32.119
from eight pm to two am every day there's a

1582
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:38.359
big fire, the fire Spinners, they're going to be out there. Yeah, pois, Yeah,

1583
01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:42.520
that's it. So yeah, there's there's some list of all

1584
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:44.439
the fun stuff that we're going to be doing. And

1585
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.520
again that's June eleventh through fourteenth, and if you go

1586
01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:50.479
to geek Outfestival dot com you can get your tickets.

1587
01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.079
Hey, so yeah, make sure to check that out, guys,

1588
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:57.560
and be sure to be subscribed. Stay subscribed. What have

1589
01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.199
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1590
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:03.520
so much more to bring you, and we're we're trying

1591
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:06.119
to be a little more consistent with some cutting deep episodes.

1592
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:09.800
It's been fun to watch these movies and talk about

1593
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.600
them with you, guys. So if you want to email us,

1594
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:15.039
just remember you can send us an email at Weekly

1595
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:17.760
Spooky at gmail dot com. We'd love to hear from me.

1596
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:20.279
We'd love your thoughts about the movies we've talked about.

1597
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.319
We'd love to hear what movies you think we should

1598
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.079
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1599
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.479
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