Monthly Spooky | Wild Bears, Ghost Girls & Wendigo Folklore

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A hungry black bear steals taco bell
and the drinks. A little ghost girl

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is seen floating in mid air.
And are you hungry for Thanksgiving leftovers?

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Or is that actually human flesh?
Get comforted? Turn off the lights.

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It's monthly spooky. Well, hello, my Spookyes, it is that time

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of the month. Time for some
monthly spooky for the month of November twenty

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twenty three. I'm, of course
your host Enrique Kuto here with my good

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buddy and co host Michelle Antisocial.
Michelle, how are you? I'm okay?

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Wow? I mean are you sure? No? Okay? That works?

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Did you were recording this the day
after Thanksgiving? And of course you're

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hearing this on the Monday after Thanksgiving, so cyber Monday. Cyber Monday I

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remember, is that people still try
to pull it like that's a thing,

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still a thing. It's a thing
because it's but like Black Friday is all

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internet too? Oh, they only
only some of it? Well when I

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correct me if I'm wrong, I
remember cyber Monday being the time when Internet

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only retailers would step up and be
like, we have sales too. Yeah,

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yeah, that I mean like I
bought an electric toothbrush yesterday on Amazon

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that was on sale, Like,
that's your fault. I don't know.

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Oh my gosh, my teeth feel
amazing, by the way, I'm glad

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it's already here. And that was
the other reason I ran late to the

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recording, brushing my teeth with my
new oral b baby. So uh but

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but did you a decent Thanksgiving of
an okay, decent, dacent Thanksgiving?

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Yeah it was okay. I drove
a lot and was really tired. But

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that's I mean, you only drove
what six hours? It was more than

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six hours, six and a half
hours. It's probably like seven total,

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Okay, that's I mean, that's
a in a day. Yeah, that's

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a bit much. Yeah, it's
just because I was, I mean I

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didn't I was in the car for
all of it. There were about two

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and a half hours that I didn't
drive. Sure, but uh, I

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was, you know, in my
mom's car for a lot of it,

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and I don't like it. It's
okay, I mean it's really quiet in

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there because my car is not an
expensive car, so it has like tons

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of road noise, but and her
car is like super super quiet. But

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like it started to like hurt my
arms and stuff. After a while.

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What kind of car is this?
It's a it's a Nissan, I don't

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know, like a crossovery guy,
Nissan. Yeah, Like the kind of

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car is like kind of crossovery.
What does that mean. It's like a

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little like a kind of in between
like an suv and a minivan. Oh

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okay, and uh oh it's a
rogue, that's what it is. Oh

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okay, the old Nissan rogue.
Yeah, and it hurt your arms to

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drive it. Well, I just
the position of like everything is just really

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really different than my car, so
like, yeah, my arms. After

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about an hour, my arm started
getting fatigued. You know, did you

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try a booster seat? You are
not a you are not a sizeable woman.

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No, And I helped to move
the seat up because my feet can't

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reach the pedals. It's okay.
Whenever I let Rachel borrow my priests,

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she never puts the seat back.
So I go to sit in and then

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immediately hurt my thighs and everything because
I like PLoP down the door. There's

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no room for me, and I
have to like get out and pull it

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pull it back. She is she's
even more diminutive than you m because you're

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what like five foot two three three. Yeah, she's five foot nothing,

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So it's it's much much worse.
But other than the pain, what did

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you have for dinner? I know
that you're a vegetarian, so you did

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not eat the turkey, I would
assume. Yeah. Yeah, it was

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just like stuff like mashed potatoes and
like that other thing, stuffing. I

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like stuffing a lot. It's okay. I actually don't that much. It's

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okay. But my aunt was really
nice and she bought me a toe furkey

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just for me, and I was
really didn't have to do that because aren't

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they gross? Yeah? But the
reason I said all is like I feel

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like most people who have, even
if you just dabbled in being vegetarian or

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vegan like I have, I feel
like most people know if you if you

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dabbled that toeferkeys are great. Yeah, But her not knowing the thought was

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like her heart was very much in
the right thing. Oh yeah, no

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totally, And I hate it and
I took it home and I don't know

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what to do now. So furkey
just sitting at your house? Yeah,

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what is it? Does it look
like a turkey? No, it looks

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like an oval, like a big
oval. Oh, that's weird, like

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kind of like a ham. Yeah, and inside there's stuffing. Oh that's

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okay, but it's really dry and
very like dense, like the most dense

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food ever. Well that's that's good, right, yeah, like sure,

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well, no, I'm glad.
I'm that's nice to her. I'm really

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glad you like, super super nice. Yeah. Yeah. I had two

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dinners to go to, and the
first one was at Rachel's family, which

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they are this gargantuan family. Like
Thanksgiving is the small gathering of about twenty

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five people, and then like Christmas
can be upwards of forty or fifty.

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Wow, it's crazy. So then
I go to my family. Oh and

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the food was good. We had
a great time. Got punched in the

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stomach by a nephew. Oh okay, an eight year old kid just socked

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me right in the gut. Wow. Because I told him I had to

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leave and I couldn't go outside and
play football with him. So I got

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to I got to lean into my
role of hispanic stepdad because he punched me.

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He punched me right in the stomach, and I didn't let him go,

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and he punched me while I was
holding him. I was giving him

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a hug to say goodbye. Oh
wow, And when I said I had

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to go, he was like no, and he hit me. So I

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held on to him and didn't let
go of him, and I was like,

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hey, hey, don't do that, like, don't hit people like

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that. And he was like,
let me go and I was like I'm

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not gonna let you go. You
know, are you? Are we friends?

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And he was like yes, And
I was like, you don't hit

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friends like that. If you do
that to your friends, they'll stop being

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your friends. You don't want to
stop being my friend, right He was

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like no, I'm sorry, and
then he walked away, and then he

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came back like three times while we
were trying to leave and apologized. So

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I hope I did good. I
don't no one should put me around children,

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but I try my best. I
had a really good step dad and

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so he's my example of like how
you treat children, which is that you

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annoy them with bad jokes and then
when they misbehave you get very serious.

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So but no, he socked me
right in the gut. Like I felt

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bad too because I was telling Rachel
about it in the car because she didn't

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see it. Nobody saw it.
You know. I was telling her about

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it. She was like oh,
and then I was like yeah, but

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he didn't get me that good.
And then I stopped. I was like,

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I'm lying to make you feel better. He got me. He like

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hit me in the solar plexus really
hard, and I'm like hurt right now.

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So then we got to go on
a quick road trip. We had

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like a lot of places to visit, actually, because Rachel's pet sitting for

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her sister. But her sister has
three dogs and three goats and a donkey

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and h and five chickens I believe, and then and then four alpacas or

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now pacas llamas. Yeah, they're
similar, They're very similar. And they

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look they have you ever looked at
a lama? They all look like they

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should have a voice that sounds like
this, they do. They just all

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look like that. I'm not I
don't know how else to say it.

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They look like they're, oh,
I'm alama. That's how they look.

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I don't think they'd be happy if
you told them that. They'll be happy

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with what I tell them to be
happy about. But no, But so

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we had to run over there and
take care of them, and then we

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ran from there back to my house, took care of my doggies, and

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that was really really fun. The
running around was kind of fun, and

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the dogs were doing good. They
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I stuffed myself pretty good. I
woke up late on Thanksgiving, which has

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never happened to me before. I
just woke up at like ten thirty instead

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of eight thirty. Oh wow,
I just slept in. I just that's

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that's all that happened. So I
didn't do my tradition of eating cereal and

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watching Garfield, which is what I
usually do first thing in the morning.

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So when I got to the first
Thanksgiving dinner, I was famished, and

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I'm usually never like starving at things, so I was like, so I

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sat down and just was eating and
not saying anything to anybody until the first

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plate was gone, and then I
was like, hey, guys, good

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to see all here. But uh
so I wasn't like painfully stuffed, but

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I was pretty full. So then
we ran we Rachel made from scratch pumpkin

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pies, like we we well she, I mean I watched, but she

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roasted pumpkins and then and then purade
them. Wow, like it was really

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good. Man, I'd never had
a pumpkin pie made not from cannpure.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was delicious
a little different and very delicious. Yeah,

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I'm no, I'm not going to
say anything because it sounds like a

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conspiracy theory. I want to hear
the conspiracy. I was going to play

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something like that out and then keep
it to yourself. I was gonna say,

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like, maybe I don't use all
pumpkin and canned pumpkin, and they

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use other squash and no one would
ever know it's possible. Yeah, Or

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it could just be the pure like
solidifies differently from sitting or being cooked in

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the canning process. Yeah. Yeah, But or it could be your thing.

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There could be human organs inside of
the cans of pumpkin pure. I

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mean, that's definitely what I meant. Yeah. So, so we made

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pies and we end up with three
pies instead of two. We had like

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more pumpkin filling than we thought we'd
have, which seems to always happen when

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you make any kind of custardy pie. Is you always end up with like

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more like this was her first year
making pumpkin pie, but every year at

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Christmas she makes me sweet potato pie
because I friggin love sweet potato pie.

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Like it's my favorite thing in the
world. Sweet potato pie. I like

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it more than pumpkin pie. I
we decided to make pumpkin pie because I

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was like, make the crowd please
there, don't make the henny please,

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But like, I want sweet potato
pie at Christmas. That's mine. I

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get the sweet potato pie. I
love it. But uh, and I'm

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excited because this year we have a
pressure cooker, so it won't take it

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won't take two hours to make it
because you have to boil them. You

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know, they're thick. You have
to boil them till they're soft and get

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the skins off and everything. It's
a lot of work. I mean you

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could just put them in the microwave. It's a lot of work. So

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any listen, I'm just gonna be
straight with you. The first time Rachel

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made me sweet potato pie, it
was so good I refuse to let it

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be fucked with it. Like the
first bite I took, I was like,

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oh my god, this is my
favorite holiday pie ever. And now

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she cannot change anything about it because
it was perfect the first go okay,

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fine, so sorry, cannot change
it. Illegal. I'm like in the

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kitchen holding like an old like German
pistol at her. I'm like, you'll

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cook it like before, but uh
no. So so then we had the

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extra pie. So we took it
to the cigar lounge, which, believe

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it or not, my local cigar
lounge, B and G's is open on

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Thanksgiving and serves dinner to anyone who
wants to come, wow, which I

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think is really awesome. Yeah,
so we brought them a pumpkin pie.

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I love how people's faces light up
when you tell them it's from scratch.

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M Like, everybody was just like
real. And then when you tell them

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that, Rachel will be like if
it's from scratch, and You'll be like,

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oh really. And then and then
I'm the one that's like, we

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roasted the pumpkins and puade them and
then they're like, oh my god.

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Yeah, thinks you're talking about PURET
because we even you know, pumpkin puret

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is very affordable and convenient. Yeah
it is. We bought three cans of

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it just in case we screwed up
the regular pumpkins or it tasted bad,

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you know, we just just to
be safe. We bought pure And I

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was like, yeah, we'll leave
it in the shelf. You never know

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one will need pumpkin puret you know. And it's good for dogs. Yeah,

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cats too. Yeah. Although at
Halloween, Rachel gave Henwolf like all

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of the pumpkin guts she wanted,
and it was great until she took like

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a huge poop in the house because
she like didn't have it, couldn't wait.

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Yeah, and I was like,
oh no, I forgot about that

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that part that it's like pure it's
pure fiber. So so yeah, so

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now we go easy on it.
But hen well, if if she smells

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pumpkin, she like goes into alert
mode because she loves it and she knows

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she'll get it. So anyway,
so I dropped off the pie at the

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cigar lounge and then we went to
my cousin's house and he prepared dinner.

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And I was not super hungry,
but I was like, all right,

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I'm excited to eat the food and
hang out with my aunt and uncle and

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stuff. I love those guys.
My cousin. His turkey was fucking perfect,

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really, like every bite was moist
and good. I ate till I

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was nearly sick. I because I, you know, nothing, I want

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to first say, I'm not a
turkey connoisseur. I love turkey at Thanksgiving

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and then I'm kind of done with
it other than cold cuts or whatever.

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And I think most people are similarly. Like you never hear somebody say like,

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hey, you want to come over
Saturday, I'm roasting a turkey and

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it's not a holiday or something.
Yeah, you know, like so I'm

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just saying that. When I took
a bite of the white meat, nothing

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against other people's turkey. That's why
there's gravy because the white meat's easy to

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dry out. Yeah. Yeah,
I'd been into it and it like released

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flavor liquid in my mouth, you
know, Like that is not the way

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to describe that, but that's how
I described it. It was so delicious.

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I just horked it down, wouldn't
stop eating. I got my stomach

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got like sick. I was so
full, wow. And then I was

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like, oh crap, why did
I do that? So I was up

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until three point thirty because I refused
to go to bed until my stomach stopped

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feeling so full. Wow. I
just didn't want to. I'd rather be

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up too late then go to bed
and get into jatquestion, you know,

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like I'd rather that. So hey, you know what. Look, it's

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like you know how New Year's Eve
is, like alcoholics call it amateur night.

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Yeah, well Thanksgiving us binge eaters
call that amateur hour. Okay,

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that's I like to eat. I
do so, but no, the food

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was just truly exquisite. But it
was funny. I like dark meat,

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and like nobody else likes dark meat. Yeah, I think it's gross.

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Oh it's so good. I because
I walked up to the turkey and I

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was like wow, and I was
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And then I turned to him.
I was like, hey, there's no

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dark meat, and he was like, I didn't carve any. And I

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was like and I was like oh. And then he was like, I

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can carve you some. It's no
big deal. I was like, oh,

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if you don't mind, So we
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of dark meat, which was delicious
too. My mouth is watering and I

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ate. That's what I literally ate. Before we started recording, I was

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eating a big plate of leftovers.
Because my cousin and his wife they both

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have been through like massive weight loss
journeys, so they are not they are

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just like take the whole bird.
Please, we don't want any of this,

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this decadent food left over in the
house. So I was like,

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don't mind if I do. So
me and the dogs had turkey and hung

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out, and then I got to
look forward to hanging out with Shell and

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doing monthly spooky yay. And then
I had friends over and we watched planes,

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trains and automobiles. So but none
of that is particularly spooky. Sorry,

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but you know what is going to
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We're going to be talking about our
topic this month, which I didn't

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tell you, which I thought of
in the shower. Oh well, what

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does what does Thanksgiving in America make
you think of? Other than turkey?

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Let's go beyond just turkey, Like, but what do you think of when

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you think of Thanksgiving? I don't
know, good autumn okay, cars,

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cars, Yeah, I was leaning
more toward like Pilgrims and Indians. Oh

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okay, sure, Native Americans whatever
you know. So I wanted to talk

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about I thought it'd be this was
a perfect time as any to talk about

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one of my favorite Native American folklorees. Wow, the wendygo yay, it's

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got the Native American element. It's
during the cold season and it's all about

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eating yea. So we're gonna take
a quick break and then we'll be back

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with the Spooky news, and then
after that we're going to do a deep

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dive into the Wendygo right after this
and we are back quick couple of things

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I want to say before we jump
into the news. I know that a

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lot of people heard about an update
about my dog Chicanos cancer treatments on the

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Weekly Spooky that was the before Thanksgiving. I might talk about it at the

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end of the show, but I
do want to take a moment to just

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say thank you to the people who
have been sending me emails and messages.

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Just thank you for chiming in and
telling me how much you wish us all

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well. I really do appreciate it
a whole lot. Of course, I

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haven't heard anything from Michelle, so
still silent. But no, no,

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just thank you, that's all.
I wanted to take a second to say

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thank you right at the top of
the show, So if you're listening,

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you know who you are. Thank
you very much, and I really do

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appreciate it. I also want to
take a second to mens I did launch

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a brand new podcast, Yeah you
did. It's called do You Even Movie.

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It's a podcast with myself and my
good buddy David Denoyer where we talk

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about films, sometimes horror movies,
sometimes not, and a weekly Spooky audience

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will be treated to an episode or
two when we do cover horror movies.

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I'll share it with the Weekly Spooky
audience. But if you want to check

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it out and hear our first episode, which was all about planes, trains

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and automobiles, or our second episode, which will be out by the time

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this releases, which is all about
if Looks Could Kill with Richard Graco,

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just go to dooevenmovie dot com.
It's a really fun talk show and I'm

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very proud of it. I've always
wanted to just sit and talk about movies

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because I am annoying. So and
you listened to the first episode, didn't

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you tell me? I did?
Yeah, and it was terrible. Yeah

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No, I mean I thought it
was good. Thank you checks in the

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mail. All right, So now
Michelle, it's time for the spooky news.

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The spooky new news. This first
bit of spooky news comes from HuffPost

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dot Com, and I felt like
it was a perfect post Thanksgiving story.

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This headline. What a headline?
Very hungry video shows Florida mammal swiping food

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delivery order off of a porch.
Aw it's a bear stealing taco bell that

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was door dashed. Although now I'm
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all right. Next one, no
Longwood, Florida, because of course

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it's Florida. A fast food loving
black bear stole a forty five dollars taco

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bell order from the front porch of
a home in Orlando and an Orlando suburb

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of Longwood moments after the Uber Eats
driver delivered it. Well, first of

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all, don't feel too bad.
A forty five dollars taco bell order from

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Uber Eats is three and a half
tacos. I was gonna say, is

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that a lot of food or not
a lot of food from taco so as

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a again, as a man who
likes to eat, the prices have gone

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up a lot, but forty five
dollars taco bell order would probably feed almost

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three people like well, okay,
like full tummies because taco bell is still

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a relatively affordable food until the franchise
war where all the restaurants fight each other.

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Yeah, that's in the movie Demolition
Man, and in the movie Demolition

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Man, Taco Bell wins. So
all restaurants in America are Taco Bells,

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right, like fast food, fine
dining, They're all brands of Taco Bell.

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Wow, this is no Florida man
story, as there's no evidence a

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Floridian dressed in a bear costume stole
the food. We don't know that.

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I feel like that's a speculation,
the idea that he wasn't a man in

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a bear suit. Rather, the
criminal was a real life Florida black bear,

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estimated to weigh three hundred to four
hundred pounds. While now they're just

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shaming him for stealing all that fast
food. Yeah, they're like, look

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how chubby he is. Oh my
gosh. The caper happened Friday and it

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was captured on the homes ring camera. The video shows the beast sauntering up

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to the front door, grabbing the
bag in its mouth, then a short

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time later it comes back to steal
the drinks. This bear is my new

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best friend. I love this bear. So I mean that he came back

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for the drinks. He probably didn't
know they were drinks. Oh, I'm

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sure he understood that. It was
like a liquid and it tastes sweet or

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oh like, was it in a
bag though, or were they just hanging

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out? I would assume they would
be in a drink carrier. Oh okay,

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so then he did know it was
drinks. Yeah right, Well,

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but it smells sweet. I mean, bears like sweet stuff. They like

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honey. Yeah. The only way
this would have been better is if they

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had had the taco bell. If
they were like, we paid an extra

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five dollars to have it delivered in
a picnic basket. Oh my god.

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And then the article actually says yokio
taco bell. All right, let's move

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on from that, uh quote.
He came and he grabbed the food.

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Then he came again for the soda. Nicole Castro the TV station. When

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the family opened the front door about
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their reaction. The bear took the
food. Apparently the video you see them

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stand there go the bear took the
food. Wait, they they knew that

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there was a bear, so apparently
they saw a bear on their ring camera.

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So they just stayed inside, okay, And then when the bear had

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left for a little while, about
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were like, okay, let's let's, you know, get our food.

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story does have a happy ending.
The bear was shot and killed later that

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no, I'm just kidding. Uh. Uber Eats reimbursed the family for the

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stolen food. That's nice. That
is nice of them, because I feel

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like they don't cover acts of bear. Yeah. Yeah, so that was

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that was really generous. That was
I mean, I will say as a

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door dash customer, because I mostly
not Uber Eats, they have been really

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good to me when the food gets
messed up like horribly by a delivery driver,

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because they have no control over how
experienced your delivery driver is. Sometimes

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it's somebody who really has no clue
or maybe he doesn't care unfortunately. But

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this is a little different because the
bear wasn't the delivery driver. I don't

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actually they didn't say he wasn't though. Oh then why did he go all

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the way there if he could have
just eaten the food? Yeah? Maybe

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just to get on the news.
Yeah maybe. But it is nice of

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them to reimburse the family for the
stolen food because they could have been like,

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sorry, once it's delivered, it's
not really our problem. Anymore.

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I feel like if a raccoon had
stolen it, they would have been shrug

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emoji, but since it was a
bear, they were like, Okay,

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this story's pretty hilarious. Do you
think they wanted to see the ring camera?

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Do you think it was just like
an automated response from their customer service.

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I think it was an automated response. I think if they had realized,

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they would have wanted to see it, but it probably just like went

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through like AI, yeah, probably
so so, but that's the story.

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I mean, there's not much more
to it. A bear was hungry,

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and it happened on November eleventh,
so I guess the bear was pregaming for

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Thanksgiving. So but don't worry,
Chelle, we have another news story and

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this one. Can you even manage
to guess where it came from? Wrong

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guesses are correct guesses. Whatever you're
feeling today, okayme dot co dot UK

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No? No, yes, no. It is ghostly face caught on camera

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smiling out of UK Museum carriage leaves
tourists spooked. So I'm gonna tell you

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something right now. It's a photograph
of the back of a carriage, like

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an old horse carriage, right you
know the ones that were covered like they

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were fancy for traveling, for people
traveling. You know, they were all

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closed off, you know, comfortable
trail. Okay, think a little later

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in history than that. Uh think
Old West. Oh fine, you know

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the carriages you would pay to go
on to be transported on. Yeah,

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I get so. It's closed off. It's not like an open wagon as

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a carriage. And it has a
little window in the back. Okay,

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in that window in this photo is
some kind of a morphous blob that I

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guess you could claim has two eyes. To me, this is very like

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seeing faces everywhere you look. Paradolia. Paradolia, that's what it's called.

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Yeah, look at you look at
the big brain on shell. I couldn't

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remember that to save my life.
That's okay, but uh that to me,

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this doesn't look like a face.
It looks like something that looks like

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a face. But let's find out
more, because maybe there's a better photo,

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or maybe there's an ex explanation.
Yeah, let's see. A tourist

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was left spooked after a ghostly face
that looks like a terrifying child doll.

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Oh okay, that escalated quickly looks
like a terrifying, terrifying child doll gazes

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at her camera from the back of
an old fashion fashioned carriage. Zoe Callo

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paid a visit to popular York Castle
Museum and became the latest visitor to leave

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alarmed by what she saw. How
do you think the guy who runs that

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place feels that It's like, well, a lot of our people leave the

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museum alarmed. I don't know.
I think that that sounds good because they

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could leave board, but instead they
leave alarmed, and just the term alarmed

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is great, and they left alarmed. The building has long been a purported

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hotspot of paranormal activity, with poltergeist
and spirits being apparently seen by many visitors.

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She took a photo of the Victorian
street scene recreated inside and has spotted

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another in the background of their photo. Soh yeah, So now I'm looking

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at a selfie they have and they're
supposed to be a specter and it's just

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like a shadow. Well, I
mean, if the shadow is not supposed

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to be there, I mean,
do you are you like, do you

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really crack the whip on the shadows
in places you are You're like, hey,

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no, no, no shadow over
there? Yeah? Is that is

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that? Really that's how you operate. Well, you know, because shadows

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are you know, they're they make
sense. So when the shadow doesn't make

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sense, what's what's happening? I
mean, apparently ghosts. It's the only

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explanation I could think of at the
time. The fifty two year old who

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runs Gwynned Paranormal Investigations. It's a
paranormal investigator wasn't conscious of anything strange,

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and the group enjoyed their day out, so they didn't leave alarmed. No,

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well wait, I think they may
have seen it before they left,

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though, like on their photos.
I don't think that counts. Okay,

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well, we'll have to come up
with a timeline. But yeah, no,

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you're right. But when she got
home, a fellow ghost hunter spotted

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something to make the blood run cold, a spectral face in the middle of

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the photo. Are you spooped?
Yeah? Really really spooked? Okay,

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good, Zoe said. Quote.
We were in the Victorian Street part of

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the museum. There were not many
visitors and I was taking a lot of

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pictures as I walked around the exhibits. I didn't feel or notice anything unusual

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at the time, and wasn't aware
of anything else of an unexplained nature occurring

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on the day. I didn't even
notice the strange anomaly in the picture,

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either at the time of or after. In fact, it was pointed out

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to me by my friend Leila Wharton, one of the members of our paranormal

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team. I think if you don't
see it when you're looking at the pictures

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00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.839
yourself, and someone has to be
like, hey, isn't that kind of

408
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:07.000
like the face of a doll,
then like maybe maybe there's it's a little

409
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:12.960
bit too far off perhaps, or
perhaps you're just closed minded. Yeah,

410
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.559
and missus Callo's photo, something that
looks like a face is visible in the

411
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.680
back window of the carriage, with
two eyes and a nose discernible quote.

412
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.359
I have no idea what it could
be, she said. Every time I

413
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.960
look at it, I see it
differently. First of all, it looked

414
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.720
like a woman, then a child, then it seemed to distort into a

415
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:40.720
cat. So it seems very legitimate. Yeah, ghost Oh. Zoe from

416
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.039
gwyned Wales believes it. Of course
a Welsh person found had this happen to

417
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.799
them. I have a buddy from
England and that's the big joke because he

418
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.960
just when you want to tease him. You say he's Welsh and he's like

419
00:30:53.119 --> 00:31:00.799
ouch and he calls me French.
That's the battle. Yeah yeah, uh

420
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.039
oh shell. Okay, you know
what, I take back all my snarky

421
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:10.960
remarks. So from gwyned Wales believes
it could be a case of paradolia yay,

422
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.799
the human tendency to spot something like
a face where there isn't one.

423
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.200
But then again, she also says
she's been unable to debunk the sighting.

424
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:26.440
Okay, well, so you say
paradolia pretty well? Can you say washes

425
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.400
shear sauce very well? Or is
that one that you can't do? Man,

426
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.200
Rachel will be so mad she can't
say it. Really, it just

427
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:41.720
fails. I'm sorry, Worcester shirey
or Worcestershire sauce, Worcester shear sauce.

428
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.880
I find it easy to say,
yeah, sauce. This is fun.

429
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.440
This should be a podcast just us
saying wish to sear sauce. Okay,

430
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:55.480
you're like, I am so in
yeah quote. I am very much a

431
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.720
skeptical believer in ghosts, she said. I generally believe something if I witness

432
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.200
it with my own eyes or ears, and I do try to debunk any

433
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:07.480
potential evidence we find, including photos
or video footage. I mean that affair,

434
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.480
Okay. I tried to debunk the
image by comparing it to other photos

435
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.640
I had taken during the visit and
watching a few videos on YouTube of the

436
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.720
exhibit in the museum, but I
was unable to find a logical explanation for

437
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.039
it. It has what looks like
a clear perspex a sheet across the front

438
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.440
to prevent anyone from climbing inside.
You can clearly see there is nobody inside

439
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.799
it, not even a mannequin.
Whoa They spell mannequin weird really, except

440
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.440
we spell mannequin weird as well.
Yeah we do. They spell mannequin m

441
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:45.319
a n I ki n really yes? Are we sure that's even the same

442
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.640
word? Well she said no one
was inside it, not even a mannequin,

443
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.119
so by contextual clues it would make
sense, yes, yeah, because

444
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.680
we spell mannequin all frenchy. Yeah, it's got like a queue in it

445
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.920
and stuff. What was that other
English word that we read that was like

446
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.000
completely there was another one that was
like spelled totally differentm How we spell it

447
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:06.079
I don't remember, but it was
really different. It was weird. Yeah,

448
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.519
so British people strange and they love
their ghosts, at least according to

449
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.839
Mirror dot co dot UK. So, but we're gonna take a real quick

450
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.880
break and when we get back from
our sponsors, we're gonna have even more

451
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.880
spooky news. We have a whole
lot to get to this month, so

452
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:35.960
we'll be right back. We are
back with even more spooky news. This

453
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.720
story Cell comes from your home away
from home, your best friend everywhere you

454
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.119
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figured you would say their name or now

455
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NPR, that's right, NPR National
Public Radio, no pulse required. I

456
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.480
mean, I appreciate that NPR exists
because I put it on when I leave

457
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.759
the house so the dogs can listen
to a human voice and they get so

458
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:07.559
educated. Yeah, that's what happens. No, it's good. You get

459
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.320
to learn that the best bathrooms in
this country this year are in BWI Baltimore,

460
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.639
Washington International Airport. Yay, all
right, well go Baltimore. Yeah

461
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.800
right. Well, unfortunately this story
is not in Baltimore. This story is

462
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:32.599
from Colorado, Oh okay, and
it is not a happy story. Colorado

463
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:43.199
funeral homeowners arrested following the discovery of
one hundred and ninety decaying bodies. Oh

464
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:50.719
I want Okay, as an entrepreneur, we're both entrepreneurs. Yeah, I've

465
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.880
just been in the game a little
longer than you. There are certainly times

466
00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:01.719
when cutting corners make sense some times, and there are certainly times when maybe

467
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.639
cutting corners is the only option you
have if your workload becomes such that you're

468
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:14.400
not prepared for or YadA YadA.
Yeah, but I am always consistently mortified

469
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:21.880
by when funeral homes get revealed to
be doing things like just stashing bodies instead

470
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:27.239
of cremating them and stuff. Yeah, I just imagine, like I just

471
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.480
imagine what the funeral director was like
in high school when he didn't have a

472
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:37.159
paper done in time. You know, he just killed some people. Yeah,

473
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.719
they're not killed, well a lot. Let's read the whole thing that

474
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:46.679
murdering. That's a fair point.
But have you have you ever read anything

475
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:53.519
about the kinds of atrocities that funeral
homes commit to save money sometimes? Okay,

476
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.000
well that was very useful. I
couldn't even get a gulp of water

477
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.360
while she answered thanks, thanks,
cell. Now we know the secret.

478
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.440
We drink water while the other's talking. That's the secret of radio. Okay,

479
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.039
anyway, let's dive into this one. The owners of a Colorado funeral

480
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.559
home were arrested Wednesday after nearly two
hundred decaying corpses were found improperly stored at

481
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:22.599
their facility. John and Carrie Halford
the owners of the Return to Nature funeral

482
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.239
Home. Okay, that's just that
name made me lose it for a second.

483
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:34.360
The Return to Nature funeral Home.
I mean, I'm okay with that,

484
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.519
depending on how they return you to
nature or if they ever get around

485
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:45.039
to it. Yeah, I guess
they don't. We're arrested on four felony

486
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.880
charges, including abuse of a corpse, theft, money laundering, and forgery.

487
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.360
So they're laundering money and forging things
and they can't even bury people properly.

488
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:05.679
Well that's the problem, slash.
Benefit of running a funeral home is

489
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:10.159
that people don't audit you, you
know, they because nobody wants to be

490
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:20.960
there. Why not do I have
to explain mourning to you? Oh?

491
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.800
Well what about other people that aren't
mourning? They can just come. Well,

492
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.039
look, I was just at a
funeral and I appreciate the effort that

493
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.599
the funeral home puts into stuff,
but I don't want to be there.

494
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.679
Yeah, like I can't wait to
leave. I appreciate how comfortable they try

495
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.079
to make you while you're there,
but oh my god, all I want

496
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.360
is to get out, you know, like, all I want is to

497
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.000
get through that service and get the
hell out of there and hope I never

498
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.559
come back. Yeah, and that's
just my opinion. I also live near

499
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.960
a mortuary. I think I've told
you that before. Yeah, yeah,

500
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.320
you have, which is actually where
I was. Yeah. One time they

501
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.039
got in a lot of trouble because
there was this mysterious smoke coming out of

502
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:13.440
their building and it smelled heinous everywhere. Oh yeah, we had to call

503
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:20.719
the EPA. Oh yeah, so
anyway, but no, the people at

504
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.440
that funeral home are very nice overall. I think they just made a mistake

505
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:29.519
or something. But but uh no, so I feel like that's one of

506
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:30.960
the reasons they can kind of get
away with it. Is like nobody wants

507
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.639
to go into the basement of the
funeral home and see the bot where the

508
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.119
bodies are kept and confirmed that they're
doing it right, you know, Like

509
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.639
no one wants that job. I
mean, I feel like more people have

510
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.679
to have that job now if this
is going to be a problem like this

511
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.639
though, well, unfortunately it's been
a problem for a very long time.

512
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:58.960
Okay, so we got to start
a funeral home inspection business. When you

513
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.960
say we, I'm assuming you don't
mean society. You mean you, and

514
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:08.719
I I was, yes, what
you're you're tired of the home inspection business.

515
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.440
You're like, all right, time
to get into the funeral home inspection

516
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.079
business. The same thing. Basically, you're like, okay, so I'm

517
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.440
worried that that might be rought over
there. You're gonna want to get a

518
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.719
proper termined inspection. And also that
is a hundred I counted one hundred and

519
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:29.000
eighty four bodies over there that were
improperly stored and rotting exactly exactly. The

520
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:34.079
other thing is like it rights itself
as a horror movie to inspect and audit

521
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.559
a funeral home. Like you're just
like you're just like in the guy's office

522
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.880
and you're like, well, unfortunately, you've been improperly caring for these bodies

523
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.920
and that is a felony and I'll
have to report it. And then the

524
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.320
door just locks behind you. It's
like no one will ever find you either.

525
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.519
That's why you don't tell them.
You say, like, oh,

526
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.920
everything looks really good and then you
run and you call the police. I

527
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.800
feel like the problem is like I
and my heart goes out since anybody out

528
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.199
there who works in the funeral home
industry and is legitimately kind and takes good

529
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.400
care. I had a friend named
no joke, named Ulysses Grant. He

530
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.519
was a guy who visited my cable
access station. He had a television show

531
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.519
that he did on the Access channel, and he owned a funeral home.

532
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:24.559
And the weird thing about him was
he spoke like a person working at a

533
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.599
funeral home, like he had that
soft voice. Always a very charming man.

534
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.679
He was like a mid fifties year
old black man. He always wore

535
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.119
suits, like he just always wore
suits. And his parents named him Ulysses

536
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.480
Grant, which I thought was the
coolest name. I mean Grant. It

537
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.719
was cool when it was Ulysses S. Grant's name as well, but I

538
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.440
just remember we always called him mister
Grant. And one time I was signing

539
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.960
out a piece of equipment to him
and I was like and I was like,

540
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.960
wait your He's like, my name
is Ulysses, yes, And I

541
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.719
was like that is so cool,
and he was like thank you. He

542
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.559
was the nicest dude ever, and
I always really enjoyed his company. But

543
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.079
yeah, when he told me he
owned a funeral parlor and that he did

544
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:12.440
most of the services himself, I
was like, Wow, okay, but

545
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.599
no, So I don't want to
pick on it if there's anybody listening to

546
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.239
this, because we have a lot
of really great work in people who listen

547
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.800
to the show. If you're out
there and you're busted your butt every week

548
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.159
to run a funeral home, right, I appreciate you. But it's commonplace

549
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.360
to just kind of put a gulishness
on people who own funeral parlors. Yeah,

550
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.440
I mean, but really, to
be fair, like most people in

551
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.480
most industries are great, and there's
always somebody like fucking it up and making

552
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.199
you guys look bad. No,
you're right, You're totally right. And

553
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:47.199
I think funeral homes are cool and
needed, So you do. I think

554
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.840
they're needed. Yeah, have you
ever been to a funeral that's like has

555
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.199
embalming and stuff? No, because
we don't do that. I didn't want

556
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.960
to assume that you'd never been to
a goy funeral. No, like it

557
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:08.679
in like the go on, like
the the parts of my family that aren't

558
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:17.599
Jewish typically just been people have been
cremated, so they so. But out

559
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.000
here, I mean, like the
funeral I was just at they cremated the

560
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.320
remains after they did the showing the
Yeah, we don't, we haven't really,

561
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.480
we don't really do that. I
don't like it personally. I'm just

562
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:35.199
telling you, like maybe if you
saw the way like it's I I this

563
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.840
is probably a topic I shouldn't dive
into right now. I just lost a

564
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.199
loved one. Yeah, no,
no, no, no, I mean

565
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.239
I I don't like, I don't
think any of that, Like I have

566
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:50.280
very like I have views about like
embalming and that kind of stuff. I've

567
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.679
got a lot of views about all
this stuff. But that doesn't mean that

568
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.159
I don't that I think that funeral
homes and people who you know and like

569
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.679
that industry is like bad. I
just think that, you know, do

570
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.519
you have a conspiracy theories about them? I mean, I can make some

571
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.199
up, but I don't have any
ring now now no, no, And

572
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.679
I mean, but my point is
just that, like it's often kind of

573
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.280
ascribed that like people are ghoulish who
work in that industry because they surround themselves

574
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.639
with death when most people would like
to never be around death. Yeah,

575
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.679
I would like to never be around
death. You would like to occasionally be

576
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:34.440
around death apparently, Yeah, but
no, no, yeah, it's but

577
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.360
so my point is, yeah,
it's like I feel like it's a it's

578
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.480
a it's a business that doesn't get
audited a lot. It's also a business

579
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:45.840
that is varies massively on cost.
I mean, one funeral can cost eight

580
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.159
hundred dollars and one funeral can cost
thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah,

581
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.320
it just depends on what caskts you
buy, what flower arrangements you buy,

582
00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.199
if you get a priest that's sober
or drunk, they're all very I'll let

583
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:07.360
you decide which one costs extra.
But no, it's it's a very complex

584
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:15.840
and complicated business and it's hard.
Like, the best advice I could give

585
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.280
in the entire world to anybody is
get a relatively disinterested third party to help

586
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.639
you plan a funeral. Disinterested maybe
the wrong word, but disinvested, you

587
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.639
know, just somebody who, like, if it's a loved one very close

588
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.599
to you, pick somebody who knew
them only a little bit so that they

589
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.199
can sit there and be like,
hey, it won't hurt if you get

590
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.760
a thousand dollars casket instead of a
five thousand dollars casket, right right?

591
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.360
Or you know, hey, like
this is good enough, Like relax because

592
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.639
it's hard. You know, you're
sitting there trying to choke back tears and

593
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.079
you're being told like, all right, we have the human garbage can right

594
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.159
here for a thousand dollars, and
then we have for six thousand dollars,

595
00:44:55.159 --> 00:45:00.760
the eternal love will always guide you
send straight to heaven casket. And you're

596
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.719
like, uh, I think I
want that one is like of course,

597
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.400
of course, you know, it's
it's a really unpleasant situation. A friend

598
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.000
of mine described how he planned his
mother's funeral, and that's exactly what he

599
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.320
did. He got a friend together, he got two friends together, and

600
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.360
they helped plan it and they were
completely emotionally unattached so that it wasn't crazy

601
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:27.840
expensive. Right, So anyway,
let's get back into the crime. The

602
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.519
pair were taken into custody without incident
in Wagner, Wagner, Oklahoma. I

603
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.480
thought it said Colorado. Oh they
were in Wagner when they got arrested.

604
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:42.239
They were on the run. Yeah, they knew, they knew that that

605
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.800
some kind of shit was hitting some
kind of fan. The pair were taken

606
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.119
into custody without incident in Wagner,
Oklahoma. Both are being held on bonds

607
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.239
set at two million dollars. Wow. Yeah. Also, I want to

608
00:45:54.280 --> 00:46:02.119
mention something else about the funeral business. It's it's aligned also because their recession

609
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:08.239
proof and depression proof. So a
lot of people throughout history have kind of

610
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:15.199
lamented and hated funeral homes because they're
always doing fine. Mm and in fact,

611
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:23.480
they're booming when everybody else is suffering. It's not their fault. Yeah,

612
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.880
it's why in small towns, it's
not uncommon for people to start like

613
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.880
spreading rumors that like an owner of
a funeral home is like killing people or

614
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.960
like poisoning people and stuff just to
keep business up. It's just a morbid

615
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.440
because it's a morbid job. It
leads to morbid assumptions, and it leads

616
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.719
to morbid prejudice. Uh huh yeah. In fact, Shell, you're right,

617
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.800
let's start a funeral house. Okay, let's do it. We can

618
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.360
do it in my shed, because
we can do it at my house.

619
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.639
I was like, yeah, well, you know, you know that the

620
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.360
term funeral parlor where that comes from
the parlor, of you, because they

621
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:06.760
used to do viewings in the home, but then we stopped doing that and

622
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.920
started doing them in the funeral parlor. And then we did something truly so

623
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:19.320
rude, which is we changed the
name of the parlor to the living room.

624
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.079
Well they were out of there,
so what a big f you to

625
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.679
the dead. Yeah, this is
for living kids. Ain't no caskets in

626
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:34.639
here. The probable cause affidavit has
been sealed, but District Attorney Michael Allen

627
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.559
said that he would not contest releasing
it to the public at a later date.

628
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:43.519
Quote. I want to warn you
the information contained in that Affidavid is

629
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:49.440
absolutely shocking, he told reporters at
a press conference on Wednesday. Prosecutors may

630
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.920
bring additional charges to the case as
the investigation progresses. Police first searched the

631
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:59.360
funeral home, located roughly thirty miles
south of Colorado Springs in the town of

632
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:04.480
Penrose, on October third, after
receiving a report of an abharrent smell coming

633
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.440
from the building. Okay, so
on one hand, the cops are like,

634
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.480
oh God, this is a horrible
call. But on the other hand

635
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:15.599
they must have been like, how
festive it's October. Yeah, oh boy.

636
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.280
Of what they found inside was quote
horrific, according to Fremont County Sheriff

637
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.679
Alan Cooper, who declined to go
into further detail during an October sixth press

638
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.239
conference on the investigation. According to
its website, Oh Boy, Return to

639
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:37.320
Nature offers green and natural burial services, which allow bodies to decompose underground without

640
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.480
the use of metal, caskets or
chemicals. Did they mean in their basement?

641
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.199
I guess so. I love I
love how anything that isn't normal becomes

642
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.119
becomes a value. So it's like, ah, we bury people in boxes,

643
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.639
Well, we cost extra because we
don't use boxes. Like, wait

644
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.360
a second, shouldn't it be cheap
if you don't use Although in a lot

645
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.280
of states it's required by law that
you be in something when they bury your

646
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.679
remains or even cream at you.
You have to be in some kind of

647
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:13.719
container. Hm. I know in
cremation it can be a cardboard box that

648
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.000
costs about fifty bucks, okay,
or a casket. That's the other thing

649
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.119
they'll have you buy a two thousand
dollars casket that they burn with you.

650
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.199
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is, let's get in this business. Come

651
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.639
on, exactly imagine that. Okay, hear me out. What if we

652
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.440
could cross brand it with Monthly Spooky
and call it the Spooky Funeral Home.

653
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:37.960
People would be nervous at first,
but then everybody would want to come,

654
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.280
especially when the millennials finally start dropping
dead everywhere. Yeah wait, wait,

655
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.400
oh shit, I'm a millennial anyway. Actually, we got to take a

656
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:52.159
real quick break and then we'll be
back to get into some of the details

657
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:57.480
of this story. Right after this. You're way too excited about this cell,

658
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:12.239
and we are back with a particularly
morbid bit of spooky news, which

659
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.079
caused us to go into quite a
digression about the fact that we clearly need

660
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.639
to start our own funeral home.
Yeah yeah, but that all being said,

661
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.320
let's get back into the abhorrent smell
that attracted police to a Colorado funeral

662
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:29.639
home. Woof. According to its
website, Oh yeah, so it allows

663
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:34.119
buys Dicobo's naturally without caskets or chemicals. The practice is legal in the state

664
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.960
of California, but the law requires
bodies that are not embalmed be refrigerated within

665
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.880
twenty four hours of death. I
mean, you'd hope, so, yeah,

666
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.440
for sure, I like how it's
very It's like, oh, yes,

667
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:52.320
yes, I cook a lot of
chickens, so I understand. Fremont

668
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.039
County Coroner Randy Keller declined last month
to say whether the remains discovered at Return

669
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.719
to Nature were intended for natural burial, but he did note that they were

670
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:07.960
improperly stored. Sure. Some relatives
of those whose remains were sent to the

671
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.239
funeral home for cremation told the Associated
Press that they believed they were given fake

672
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:19.440
ashes composed of dry concrete. They
just gave them like concrete mix, and

673
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:25.039
they were like, here you go, here is your son. Why did

674
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.400
that break you so much? I
haven't see you left that heart in a

675
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:32.119
while. I don't know, just
thinking about like how how concrete mix doesn't

676
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.880
really look like ashes, and just
like they accidentally spilled it and got water

677
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.039
in it, and then it's then
it was like it became concrete. And

678
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.239
they were like, we can't even
get it off, trying to pick it

679
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.559
out, and they call a buddy. He's like, ask concrete you got

680
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.920
there? Uh? Did you know
that when you get ashes, when you

681
00:51:53.920 --> 00:52:00.760
get cremaines, they are not actually
entirely ashes. I don't know. They

682
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.119
blast the body with high heat for
about forty minutes or so, and then

683
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.719
they grind it all up. Yeah, yeah, it's not actually ashed to

684
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.960
ashes. Yeah, because I know
because in Japan they just you know,

685
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:19.000
do the first part and then you
pick out the bones. It's a lot

686
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:27.239
of work with like feezers, no, the other one chop chops. Oh

687
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.280
all right, Japan, it's over, no more Japan, we got to

688
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.599
get rid of it. Sorry.
And then they take the bones and use

689
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.360
them to fill body pillows. Yeah, anime girl body. I mean that

690
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:43.400
sounds not pleasant, but yeah,
it's fine, it's fine. No,

691
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.280
that's I mean, I get why
they grind bodies up to make the ashes,

692
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.880
because it would take I think I
read it would take them up to

693
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.920
six hours to turn all of it
to ash. It's a lot of energy,

694
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.599
you know. You know, but
the idea of like that we that

695
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.519
they put your your loved ones remains
like they just like torch them and then

696
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:08.159
ground them up. It's kind of
gross. I mean it, I guess,

697
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:12.039
honestly, all kind of gross and
hideous. Though actually yeah, I

698
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.800
don't really think it's any weirder or
worse than any other things that we're doing.

699
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.519
Here. So yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Do you have

700
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:23.519
plans for your body, just like
throw it out or something, just just

701
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:28.280
get rid of it. Yeah,
you don't want to be cremated or buried

702
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.360
or I don't want to be buried. I mean when you're dead. Oh

703
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:38.559
oh yeah, No, I don't
really know. I guess probably cremated,

704
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.840
but I'm not really sure if I
want that. But whatever, I guess

705
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:50.280
I will be cremated unless, and
hopefully this is the case, I outlive

706
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.920
my mother. Because my mother wants
me to be cremated. Okay, I

707
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:59.559
want to donate my body to science. That'd be cool. I just feel

708
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.239
like, why, Like I'm not
doing anybody any good, you know,

709
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.679
you know, at least have a
shot at getting like a treatment out of

710
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.280
me or something. You know,
it would be good. But my mother's

711
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.559
mortified by the idea of me being
donated to science. So I think it's

712
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:22.639
really nice. I you know,
it is what it is. Let's why

713
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:27.599
I picked the topics. I picked
the those morbid topics after like a really

714
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.079
difficult week. This I know,
it's all me. It's all me.

715
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.960
I got bad news that the vet
went to a funeral. I just all

716
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.599
in one one like three day span, and now here I am talking about

717
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:45.119
it. Why not? Oh God, this story I do really like this

718
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:52.400
and this story is really interesting.
The AP also reported that the Halfords were

719
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.119
sued by a crematory that stopped doing
business with them. But that issue that

720
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.159
uh but that issue did not appear
to immediately tracked inspectors in a state with

721
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:09.280
notoriously lax funeral home regulations. Uh
oh, even after the company's registration expired

722
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:15.320
in November, they weren't even they
were They were still doing They were still

723
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.199
doing mortuary work even though they hadn't
expired license. And they probably didn't have

724
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.679
a crematorium to cremate people. No, but they But oddly enough they did

725
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:34.119
have a lows card, so the
art do you? So? Oddly enough

726
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:40.480
they needed a lot of concrete.
Yeah. Investigators originally estimated that twenty five

727
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:46.280
hundred square foot building contained about one
hundred and fifteen bodies, but after transporting

728
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:51.159
all remains to the El Paso County
Coroner's office, they raised that number to

729
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:57.760
one hundred and eighty nine, then
one hundred and ninety. What we just

730
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.480
they just kept finding more bodies in
the I hate to say it, but

731
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:07.039
they probably realized that they had,
like they probably eventually were like, Okay,

732
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:13.159
let's count sternums, let's count heads. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh

733
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:17.480
god. The process of identifying the
specific VISC victims is ongoing, Keller said

734
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:22.119
on Wednesday. In total, one
hundred and ten individuals have been identified using

735
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:28.559
fingerprints, dental records, or medical
hardware. Okay, twenty five bodies have

736
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:35.639
been released back to their families,
giving them back. We're given back to

737
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:40.559
the community. Colorado Governor Jared Polis
issued a verbal disaster declaration in order to

738
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:45.840
free up additional resources for the investigation, an effort that has included both state

739
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.639
and federal bureaus of investigation, three
counters county coroner's offices, the state of

740
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:57.519
Emergency Management Agency, and state and
local police agencies. At least he's taking

741
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.920
it seriously. I can appreciate that
that the state would be like this is

742
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.639
a this is awful, Like we
got to do something. Some of the

743
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.159
investigations come from an FBI team that
has been dispatched to mass casualty events like

744
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:15.400
nine to eleven and airline crashes.
Wow. Yeah, I want to point

745
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.760
out, so that's the end of
the story. But I want to point

746
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.199
out that NPR puts the tags at
the bottom of the story, and the

747
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:29.960
tags are funeral homes, green burial, natural burial, cremation, funerals,

748
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:37.639
and Colorado. There's no reference to
crime, no reference to Yeah. That

749
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.679
probably would have been good. Yeah, yeah, it would do you wonder

750
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:47.320
do you let's speculate wildly real quick. Okay, do you think it's possible

751
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.960
that they had their issues with like
their crematorium and stuff and realize like,

752
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.920
fuck it, we're gonna we've been
cutting corners. Let's just because they didn't

753
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.039
renew their license, they just kept
working in anyway, do you think they

754
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:05.800
were just like socking away tons of
cash to run It's possible. I mean

755
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.320
I was thinking that maybe the issues
with the crematorium, maybe that's when they

756
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:15.719
were like, I guess we're doing
green burials now. Oh gosh. Uh.

757
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.480
You know you know what the first
special will do at the Spooky Funeral

758
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:25.039
Home will be. It'll be burials
barrelols where we put you in a barrel.

759
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:31.400
Okay, it's like very very affordable
barreloles. Yeah, and no one

760
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:34.400
will ever be able to pronounce it, but they could read it fine.

761
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.559
And that's all that matters. Yeah, we put you in a twenty and

762
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.199
an eighty gallon drum or a hundred
what are one hundred gallon drum? And

763
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.039
that's it. That's all we do. We don't even put you in the

764
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.039
ground. Here you go, here's
this drum. It's like, it's like

765
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.480
we thought, why not combine the
best elements of funeral homes with the best

766
00:58:52.480 --> 00:59:00.639
elements of pods self storage. Yeah, we have an itemized list where it's

767
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.480
like, here's how much the funeral
costs, and then it's like, if

768
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.559
you dig the hole, we take
this much off. Yeah, you do

769
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.719
this, We take this much off. DIY Funeral Home, the only DIY

770
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:16.920
funeral home in America. Dude,
I guys, you can't see Michelle,

771
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:22.039
but I can, and and the
wheels are turning in her head. Now.

772
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.960
I'm just worried because if you if
you dig your own hole and stuff,

773
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.599
I'm afraid that the dirt will collapse
in and kill people and then you'll

774
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.880
have to bury more people than you
thought you were gonna have to bury.

775
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:38.920
That's just more money in our pockets, do we Yeah, I'm going to

776
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:44.880
just assume everything that could possibly happen
to this business will benefit it. Yeah,

777
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.639
apparently that's what this couple did.
So. Uh so let's take a

778
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:54.480
break from the full blown morbid and
head back to Mirror dot Code at uk

779
00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:00.400
Okay, where we have a story
ghost of Girl. Oh well, wow,

780
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.280
that was I am gonna keep reading. But this was not the story

781
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.639
I thought it was ghost of I
have a list, you know, if

782
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.840
stories we're gonna do, and I
just said, like, let's do something

783
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.840
lighter. It's about a little girl
drowning. Ghost ghost of girl who drowned

784
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:27.039
in disasters spotted floating near her memorial. M I had a funnier one.

785
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:32.960
Sorry, we'll get to that later. Paranormal investigators claim to have captured eerie

786
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.199
footage that shows the floating ghost of
a little girl who drowned in a mining

787
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:44.719
disaster nearly two hundred years ago.
Wow. Ghost hunters Lindsay and Lee Steer

788
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.880
initially assumed they hadn't encountered any spirits
during their trip to Husker Pitt near Silkstone,

789
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:54.000
South Yorkshire on June twenty fourth,
but then they watched their footage back.

790
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.039
This is another The footage shows it. Yeah. See this is why

791
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.960
people say, like, put your
phones away at concerts and stuff, because

792
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:06.880
you're really not living in the moment. You're only seeing the ghosts when you

793
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.480
go home. Yeah, like you
were there and you missed down. Yeah,

794
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.840
that's a true shame. Yeah,
put your phone down, be in

795
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:22.760
the moment. Witness that child ghost. Yeah, come on. After arriving

796
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.199
home, however, the pair were
shown an eerie screenshot from their memorial site

797
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.199
live stream, which seemed to show
one of the twenty six children who tragically

798
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.320
drowned when a mind Shaft flooded back
in eighteen thirty eight. Oh, that's

799
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.599
a lot of kids drowning though,
that's a twenty six. I mean,

800
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.719
that's that's a decent amount. I
don't know, I don't think that's an

801
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:44.840
incredible amount. I just I'm not
trying to be rude. I'm just saying

802
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.159
I think other floods did better as
all. Oh okay, I'm not trying

803
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.639
to discount this flood. I'm simply
trying to show respect for the bigger floods.

804
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.880
Oh. I mean, I guess
you're right. This flood was a

805
01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:02.679
freakin woosye sis nothing. Actually,
I hate this flood like this one's for

806
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.119
Keith Tomlin, our Weekly spooky writer, who always puts children in danger in

807
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:13.440
his stories. In his stories FBI. The clip shows what appears to be

808
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.920
a still white apparition floating in front
of a tree trunk, with Lee thirty

809
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:23.440
seven walking away without spotting it.
Lindsey fifty four reckons the mysterious figure is

810
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.199
that of a young girl clothed in
a white dress, and she says she's

811
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:32.920
one hundred percent sure it's a ghost. Wow, one hundred percent. That's

812
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:43.320
incredible. Uh, the image I'm
looking at the figure looks looks like a

813
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.000
hush No, I mean kind of. Actually it looks kind of almost too

814
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:52.159
much like a ghost, but it
looks like encoding artifacts. Oh really,

815
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.079
it's over a tree trunk. It's
like a silhouette thing, but it doesn't

816
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:59.239
have like arms and legs. You
kind of make out two legs and maybe

817
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:02.840
ahead hm hmm, and maybe like
the line of like shoulders of like address

818
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.960
or whatever. But like, to
me, it just looks like encoding artifacts

819
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:12.880
over a tree trunk. Yeah.
I know, I know, I'm mister

820
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:16.519
boring skeptic, Okay, but like
that's kind of what it looks like to

821
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:22.000
me. I believe you. I
will say this. This sentence makes me

822
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.079
more skeptical. Full time ghost hunter
Lindsay says the child was seen near the

823
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.679
old day Hoole Shaft, which flooded
after a stream burst its banks nearly two

824
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.800
hundred years ago. The fact that
you're a full time ghost hunter makes me

825
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:39.480
think you would be one hundred percent
certain you saw a ghost. I mean,

826
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.039
how can you be a full time
ghost hunter? I mean, like

827
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.800
unless you just are, but you
don't make any money, Like do you

828
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:51.920
charging people like what's happening here?
That is a good question. I don't

829
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.000
know if they're a full time ghost
hunter for money or they're full time ghost

830
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:58.239
hunter as in they have the ability
to just do that all the time.

831
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.599
Yeah. Yeah, because when I
say full time, I mean that it's

832
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.199
what you do for a living.
Yeah. I mean me too. But

833
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.440
you know it might not be well. I mean it's like you're a full

834
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:12.840
time house inspector. Yes, so
how do you do it? You just

835
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:16.159
get enough houses to inspect that pay
money, So I guess it's just I

836
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.960
mean, if you can build a
business model around it, then it's full

837
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:24.679
it's your job. They mentioned that
they were live streaming the visit and stuff.

838
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:30.119
Maybe they have memberships or you know, or or patrons Patreon, which,

839
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.840
by the way, we have a
Patreon at weeklyspooky dot com. You

840
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.840
go to Patreon for one dollar a
month you get a bonus story every single

841
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:42.880
week. It's believed the dead children
were recovered from the accident site, washed

842
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.800
and then clothed in white, and
Lindsay says that's why the spirit is wearing

843
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:56.639
a white dress. Yep ooh full
time ghost hunter said the heartbreaking footage is

844
01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:00.679
so amazing, amazing that she'd question
if it was fake had it not been

845
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.480
filmed on their live stream. That
is not a good sentence. I would

846
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:15.280
think it was fake if it wasn't
my live stream. Okay, yeah,

847
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.519
Lindsay who lives in roth oh Man, So hold on. There's a caption

848
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.599
under a photograph of the two ghost
hunters, which, by the way,

849
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:28.840
either Lindsay is, you know,
an older lady, a little bit older

850
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.079
woman. She is either very close
with her son or she is a cougar

851
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:38.320
because the young man she is with
she's very friendly with. Oh, I

852
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.440
just assumed that they were a husband
and wife couple. I did too.

853
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.199
When I saw the age difference,
I was like, oh, maybe not,

854
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.679
but probably still And then when I
heard the older lady was a woman,

855
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:53.000
I was like, you slay,
queen, you slay. She is

856
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.239
wearing a T shirt with John Lennon
on it, though, so I like

857
01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:57.039
her a little. Oh my god. And the guy's wearing a shirt that

858
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.039
just says New Jersey. I'm not
even joking. Really, it's New Jersey

859
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:04.519
State Track and Field. I don't
I don't know what that means. It

860
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:06.800
just that's what it's. And then
it says New Jersey at the bottom,

861
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:12.559
just New Jersey. I wonder if
it's like Jersey. But then there's a

862
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:17.639
college called new in it. I
don't know, a little bit of a

863
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:21.400
stretch, but uh, well,
we'll get we'll get some more all about

864
01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:27.920
these people's personal lives and making assumptions
that are cruel. Right after these quick

865
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:42.360
words from our sponsors, and we
are back with the spooky news story about

866
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:47.960
the full time paranormal investigator who apparently
found a little girl in her live stream

867
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:54.519
feed. Yeah, and it's definitely
that. Yeah, So let's see what

868
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:58.079
she had to say beyond that.
She said, Uh, okay. Lindsay,

869
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:00.239
who lives in Rotherdam, South Yorkshire, said, quote, it looks

870
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.400
like a little girl standing there.
I've captured a real life spirit here.

871
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:06.800
She looks like she's got a little
white dress and I can see a little

872
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:12.519
face, mouth and two eyes.
It looks like she's elevated off the floor

873
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:16.599
and she's got bare feet. Wow, that's some detail. Yeah, And

874
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:21.360
I mean I see where you could
kind of claim there are legs in this

875
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.400
image. But I really do think
that, considering how much you have to

876
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:31.159
zoom in to even see it,
it looks like an artifact of the compression

877
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:35.199
of the video file it is.
Isn't it always fascinating? How Like,

878
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:42.840
whether it's an image of Bigfoot or
the Lockness Monster or whatever, it's always

879
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:47.239
the lowest quality capture medium available.
Yeah. Yeah, Like I love my

880
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:53.280
ring door camera, but it looks
like crap. You know it has to.

881
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.920
But like, I wouldn't be immediately
jumping to the conclusion that when I

882
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.800
see something blurry on there, it's
a ghost, because I'd be like,

883
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.800
oh, well, this is not
the highest quality camera m hm. As

884
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:08.639
opposed to like, I get though, the counter argument would be, yeah,

885
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:12.760
but we don't have the best camera
at our side when random things happen.

886
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.119
I mean, counter argument to that
is when you have like not a

887
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:20.159
great camera, you can still tell
that a person is a person. So

888
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.960
how come you can't? How come
spirits are always like a big fuzzy thing.

889
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.199
I don't know, because they're cuddly. Oh okay, oh that makes

890
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:34.720
me happy. Quote. It's really
interesting because I think it's up near the

891
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:42.600
day hole where the children sadly drowned. It's bizarre. So I think that

892
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:46.000
it's like, I don't think it's
a very impressive image, if I'm honest.

893
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.800
Yeah, I was gonna try and
show it to you real quick if

894
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:55.960
I can, But I mean not
that you're not in the same room as

895
01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:00.920
me. We're obviously my eyes are
closed. It's it's okay, it's scary.

896
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.600
It's less scary that way, right. Yeah. But anyway, so

897
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:09.279
let's see, she continued. I'd
say it's possibly one of the children from

898
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:13.119
the husker pit. It's heartbreaking to
see. We didn't see the image until

899
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:15.319
we got home and noticed a couple
of people had seen it. It's mind

900
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.159
blowing. And this is something else
to point out. It's similar to like

901
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:25.720
EVP electronic voice phenomenon. The big
problem I have with EVP is that it's

902
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:30.279
never like they hold a microphone out
and just get a response. It's that

903
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:36.279
they sort through like tons of recordings
until they find anomalies, and that you

904
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:41.119
can find a lot of things if
you're willing to sort through things a lot

905
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.760
you know that may not actually be
there or maybe mistaken. More so maybe

906
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.359
mistaken. I don't assume a lot
of malice from a lot of these people.

907
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:53.800
I do think that you know,
they're they have good reasons to want

908
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:57.720
to be convinced. Yeah, doesn't
mean that they're a liar or a charlatan.

909
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.600
It just means that they're human.
There's this show I love called World's

910
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.840
Greatest Con and it's about all the
great you know, con jobs of the

911
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:11.840
world. Like one of them is
about when the British conned Adolf Hitler into

912
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.359
thinking they were going to invade a
specific part of England, or not England,

913
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.520
a specific part of Europe so they
could invade the other side instead.

914
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.159
When Hitler was prepared by dumping a
dead body and making it look like it

915
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:25.680
was a soldier, he had like
information, but in reality it was just

916
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:30.640
a corpse they'd gotten from Colorado apparently
no but had gotten Yeah. So the

917
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.159
show is really good, but one
of My favorite things about World's Greatest Con,

918
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.800
which I highly recommend people listen to, is they always say cons don't

919
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:43.159
get us because they're stupid. They
get us because we're human. And I

920
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:48.439
think that's a really good, good
one. So quote we ask our viewers

921
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:54.159
to screenshot anything of interest because we're
not particularly watching the screen all the time.

922
01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.039
Sometimes I wonder if people have doctored
these screenshots. But I'm watching the

923
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.920
video now and I can see it. I believe this is one hundred percent

924
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:06.199
a spirit child. Lee's a bit
like wow, even though he's skeptical.

925
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.159
If we put that on Facebook and
we weren't live, people would say,

926
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.000
we've edited it. It's amazing.
I'm sure we took that to the local

927
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.520
if I'm sure if we took that
to the locals at Silkstone, they'd really

928
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.079
be impressed. Okay, take it
to them. Yeah, then why not?

929
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:23.680
Uh oh? And then the it's
even funnier because it's like, why

930
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.000
don't they because in the article says
according to Lindsay, who lives ten minutes

931
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.880
away from the husker Pit Memorial,
the pair picked up some interesting electromagnetic field

932
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:36.119
readings using their ghost hunting device after
reaching out to spirits with questions. Lindsay

933
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:41.039
says she always feels emotional when she
visits the memorial. The site is marked

934
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.560
by the statue of a child miner
climbing out of a hole. That's what

935
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.000
I freaked out about when we weren't
recording, was I was scrolling through and

936
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.680
they just showed a photo of this
like child minor statue. But I thought

937
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:55.520
I was only looking at like ghost
photos. Yeah, so what I saw

938
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.960
clear as day a creepy looking statue
staring at me. I literally went,

939
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:06.079
holy crep m let's see which was
commissioned by local residents back in nineteen eighty

940
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:11.000
eight to mark the one hundred and
sixtieth anniversary of the tragedy. She and

941
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.199
Lee regularly share their investigations with their
two point three million social media followers,

942
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:23.000
who have been left particularly spooked by
this find makes sense, Yeah. One

943
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.600
person commented it looks like a little
girl. Great comment, Thank you ner

944
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.680
Code at UK. Another applauded quote, fantastic catch, well done, I

945
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:34.840
can see her clearly with a white
dress, and the third remarked, Wow,

946
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:40.600
that's an amazing capture. Those why
would they come on? Those are

947
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:45.319
must have been the best ones.
Well, the other one was probably like

948
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.920
whoa and stuff like that. So
the other ones were like call it ghost

949
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:51.920
emic ghost face. Yeah, and
then like and then like spamming, racial

950
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:59.600
slurs, ah, the Internet,
the Final Frontier, the beauty of it

951
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:04.359
all. Yeah, So I wanted
to switch gears to a story I like

952
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:10.279
when we get the stories that are
bizarre but not so twisted. Okay,

953
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:14.600
So I wanted to throw in one
that's like kind of like that because we

954
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:18.279
had a lot of corpses and child
death and funeral talk. So this one

955
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:25.479
is from Huffington Post. A pond
in Hawaii turned Barbie pink. Here's what

956
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:30.039
scientists think that means. So this
is a Yeah, this is a pond

957
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:36.399
in Hawaii that is bright pink.
I think it means algae, but we'll

958
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:44.399
see. Yeah, I'm assuming pink
algae, I assume. So, all

959
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.119
right, a pond in Hawaii has
turned so bubblegum pink that it could be

960
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:50.920
from the set of Barbie. Stop
trying to be clever. Huffington Post like,

961
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.079
I'm sorry, it could be from
the set of movie you like,

962
01:13:55.880 --> 01:14:00.640
thank you, But the bizarre phenomena
is no cause for a dance party.

963
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.720
Oh, gosh, of course this
is sad. I'm cursed. Okay,

964
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:10.600
drought maybe to blame for the strange
hue, scientists say, and they're warning

965
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:16.520
against entering the water or drinking it. Yeah, don't do that, hey,

966
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:19.800
Enrique, Uh maybe lighting things up, you know, it's kind of

967
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:24.119
said, no problem, I'll click
on the pink pond. Loll The pink

968
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:28.039
pond will kill you, eh,
I mean, let's be let's be real

969
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.800
here. Things. Bodies of water
turning weird colors is not usually a good

970
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.119
thing. Yeah, okay, that's
that's a fair point. I just thought

971
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:39.439
it was fun. It could be
fun. We haven't read about why you

972
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.560
shouldn't go in there. Yeah,
okay, so let's after a fifth grade

973
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:46.680
class died in the pond. Fuck
no, I'm just kidding U. Staff

974
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:51.720
at the Calia Pond National Wildlife Refuge
on MAUI have been monitoring the pink water

975
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:57.800
since October thirtieth. Quote. I
just got a report from somebody that was

976
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.720
walking on the beach and they called
me up, like there's something weird going

977
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.840
on over here, said Brett Wolf, the refuge manager. Wolf was concerned

978
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:09.880
the bright pink could be a sign
of an algae bloom of course, look

979
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:15.640
at you. But lab tests found
toxic algae was not causing the color.

980
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:20.640
Oh no, Instead, an organism
called hallo bacteria or halo Sorry, halo

981
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:27.960
bacteria might be the culprit. Halo
bacteria are a type of of ar not

982
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:32.680
Arachnia archaea, or single celled organism
that thrive in bodies of water with high

983
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:39.399
levels of salt. The salinity inside
the Caleaia pond outlet area is currently greater

984
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:44.760
than seventy parts per thousand, which
is twice the salinity of seawater. That's

985
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:50.159
very salty. Yeah, whoa because
seawater? Is you ever ever get a

986
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:57.119
mouthful of seawater? Yeah, it's
salty. It's really really salty. Do

987
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.479
you ever hear people idiotically say you're
costa water should be as salty as the

988
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:04.680
ocean? I actually have not heard
that. You've never heard somebody say that.

989
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.680
No, it's just like a passing. People say, like, salty

990
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:13.079
is the ocean? Do not like? No? Hopefully they're just trying to

991
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:15.079
be cute. A little salt in
the pasta water is nice. If you

992
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:21.319
boil salt water that salty with your
pasta, your pasta will be ruined unless

993
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:28.680
you really like unbelievably salty pasta,
which maybe you do. Cell yeah,

994
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:33.760
really salty. Wolf said the lab
will need to conduct a DNA analysis to

995
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:41.640
define definitively identify the organism. Maui's
drought is likely contributing to the situation.

996
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:46.199
Normally, Wakapoos stream feeds into Khalia
Pond and raises water levels there, but

997
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.279
Wolf said that hasn't happened in a
long time. When it rains, the

998
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:56.479
stream will flow into Klaya as a
main pond and then into the outlet area

999
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.279
that's now pink. This will reduce
the salinity and potentially change the water's color.

1000
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.359
Quote. That might be what makes
it go away. Wolf said,

1001
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.560
just they should just dump some fresh
water in it, like a lot.

1002
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:11.880
Yeah yeah, And I'm sure they
have tons of fresh water just lying around

1003
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.439
that no one needs in the drought. Yeah, in a drought on the

1004
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.399
islands that just had massive fires.
Yeah, yeah, we got water.

1005
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.800
Let's do it. Well. I
mean, they could put seawater in that,

1006
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:27.880
because seawater is less salty, that's
true, But I think that that

1007
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.239
might that would probably compound the problem
more than it would help it. We

1008
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:33.880
don't know. That it might be
fine. We don't know that. It's

1009
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:40.800
like the scientists might know that.
No quiet you. No one at the

1010
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.720
refuge is seen the pond this color
before, not even volunteers who have been

1011
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.680
around it for seventy years. Wow. Yeah, well but that's not really

1012
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.960
fair because seventy years ago everything was
in black and white. Yeah, so

1013
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.640
they wouldn't even know. Yeah what
I talked about. The pond has been

1014
01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:00.920
through periods of drought and high salinity
before, though, and Wolf isn't sure

1015
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:05.640
why the color has changed now.
Curious visitors have flocked to the park after

1016
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:12.960
photos of the pink pond appeared on
social media. There's a sentence photos after

1017
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.159
the pink pond appeared on social media. Quote. We prefer that they come

1018
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:24.000
to hear about our mission conserving native
and endangered wild birds waterbirds in our wetland

1019
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.479
restorations. But no, they're here
to see the pink water. Wolf joked.

1020
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:34.319
I hope he was joking because he
sounds really salty. Yeah, but

1021
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:42.239
his demeanor salty also the water.
She'll give me something, give me a

1022
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.920
gafa, a chuckle, a sudden
ex helter your nose, anything, thank

1023
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:50.640
you, I'll take it. He
understands everyone's fascination. Quote. If that's

1024
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:54.720
what gets them here, it's okay, he said. It is kind of

1025
01:18:54.760 --> 01:19:00.960
neat. The Wildlife Refuge is a
wetland that provides sting, feeding, and

1026
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:08.000
resting habitat to the endangered Hawaiian stilt
known as a ao and the Hawaiian coot

1027
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:15.560
or alakiko kiyokio. It also hosts
migratory birds during the winter. The water

1028
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:19.239
doesn't appear to be harming the birds. Wolf said, that's good. Just

1029
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:24.359
giant pink globs come up and pull
the birds in, just like, oh,

1030
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:28.880
maybe that bird flew away anyway.
As a wildlife Refuge, people aren't

1031
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.399
supposed to wade into the pond or
let their pets in the water, regardless

1032
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:35.680
of its color, but officials are
taking an extra precaution to warn people not

1033
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.479
to enter the water or eat any
fish caught there because the source of the

1034
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.119
color has yet to be identified.
I would be curious, like if with

1035
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.319
that level of salinity, I would
think fish would just die. Maybe they

1036
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:56.359
did. I should probably know more
about water salinity. Yeah why, I

1037
01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:00.000
don't know why, but I just
feel like I probably should. Yeah.

1038
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.239
So, but I've got a story
that I guarantee as lighthearted. Goddamn it.

1039
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:10.159
Yeah, I dipped into your favorite
news source, your favorite friend and

1040
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:15.199
pr Yeah, because the only story
today that hasn't been dark was the one

1041
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.319
about a bear stealing taco bell and
then some people be like, there's too

1042
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:26.079
much Sultan taco bell. It probably
killed the bear, Thank yous. But

1043
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:30.520
this story is Hank the Tank,
the bear behind twenty one home invasions has

1044
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:35.119
been captured near Lake Tahoe. Oh
no, they got him. Now.

1045
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:39.239
I pray that he didn't kill anybody, because then I'm like, I failed

1046
01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:43.039
again. I don't think he did. I think he just wanted to steal

1047
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:46.039
stuff. Yeah. A large black
bear who is believed to be a notorious

1048
01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:51.279
bandit and a hungry, uninvited house
guest, was apprehended by wildlife biologists on

1049
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:57.640
Friday. Authorities in the town of
South Lake Tahoe, California, have been

1050
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:01.319
on the lookout for exceptionally large animals
in February of twenty twenty two, after

1051
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:06.159
they reported that one single male bear
had been the cause of quote one hundred

1052
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:14.600
and fifty two reports of conflict behavior, including twenty eight home breakings. They

1053
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.000
referred to the animal as hank the
tank, setting off the internet's affection,

1054
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:24.359
of course, but it turns out
those initial assessments based solely on visual information

1055
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:30.119
were conflating three bears with similar patterns
of behavior and incorrectly assuming that all of

1056
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:39.840
the bears were male. Oh yeah, that's not okay. DNA testing confirmed

1057
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:43.640
that the bear captured on Friday,
who was formerly known as Bear sixty four

1058
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:47.560
F, was a female behind at
least twenty one cases of breaking and entering.

1059
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:53.079
Wow. What's more, she was
trespassing with three young cubs in tow

1060
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:57.439
According to the California Department of Fish
and Wildlife, can't just leave them at

1061
01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:00.560
home, no way. I mean
that's you know, that's you know you

1062
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.199
need to be afraid of a bear
is when you see cubs, it's like

1063
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:09.560
all right, time to go away, like for real. The agency typically

1064
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:14.760
euthanizes so called conflict bears due to
the significant risk they pose to the community.

1065
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:25.439
But Bear sixty four F is no
ordinary conflict bear. Why isn't that

1066
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:30.279
I'm not the average bear, wrote
the average bear. Yeah, oh boy,

1067
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.439
I don't know, shell, I
will find out why. I'm just

1068
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:38.319
so happy that I didn't read a
story about euthanizing a bear. I'm trying

1069
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:43.880
so hard to find some upbeat stories. Yeah, so will she be euthanized?

1070
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.119
And why would she not be?
You'll find out after this quick break,

1071
01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.279
and we're back wrapping up this spooky
news story. Well, eventually wrapping

1072
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:08.680
it up. I got ahead of
myself about why the aptly named bear sixty

1073
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:13.800
four F is not your average a
bear. Oh yeah, yeah, Oh

1074
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:16.760
the F must mean female. I
think it's a little rude for you to

1075
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:24.000
assume that. The more homes that
were vandalized in the ritzy waterfront community of

1076
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:28.239
Tahoe Keys, about one hundred miles
east of Sacramento, the more the public

1077
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:31.680
came to the defense of quote Hank
the Tank, blaming the bear's behavior on

1078
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:39.000
unsecured garbage cans and habitat encroachment.
I mean it's kind of true, but

1079
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:43.359
also yeah, I mean, bears, you know, they get desperate and

1080
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.479
then they go they go to your
garbage. But at the same time,

1081
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:48.439
it's like, you know, oh, your garbage can's unsecured. It's like,

1082
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.000
yeah, I should have been able
to make sure a five hundred pound

1083
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:54.920
bear couldn't get into it. Come
on, give me a little break.

1084
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:58.960
Okay. I mean like where I
live in Ohio, we had one year

1085
01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.199
where the squirrels were so vicious they
chewed holes in garbage cans. Yeah,

1086
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.720
like oh the garbage can. But
you know, like the they were plastic,

1087
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:09.880
but they were like heavy duty plastic. I had holes in the lid

1088
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.680
of my garbage of my garbage can
because they chewed through the top of it.

1089
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:16.079
Well, I have holes in the
lid of my garbage can because the

1090
01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:19.079
squirrels chewed through the top. Oh
I thought you just put them in there

1091
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:23.119
because you thought they were neat.
You're like, these holes are so stylish.

1092
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:26.920
Yeah. That was the year that
they ate nearly my whole jack o

1093
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:34.000
lantern. Oh yeah, they did
eat my whole jack. The CDFW cited

1094
01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:39.319
widespread interest in Bear sixty four F
as the reason it intends to relocate her

1095
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:45.359
to a Colorado sanctuary once she has
received received veterinary clearance. Oh look at

1096
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.399
this. Colorado Governor Jared Polis welcomed
the move in a tweet, saying he'd

1097
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:55.960
welcome Henrietta the tank Man. Colorado
Governor Jared Polis is all over like being

1098
01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.920
a like super cool ony, like
because he's the one who like declared the

1099
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:01.760
state of emergency to help people figure
out who their loved ones, if their

1100
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:06.199
loved ones were at that cemetery or
that funeral home. I'm liking this.

1101
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:10.880
Jared Poulis guy. I don't know
anything about his politics at all. I

1102
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.840
don't even know like what political party
is. So anybody listening to this take

1103
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:17.880
that statement with a grain of salt. I do not generally like any politicians.

1104
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:23.560
The three male cubs who tagged along
on several break ins will also be

1105
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:28.840
relocated and rehabilitated, and CDFW hopes
it can one day be returned to the

1106
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:32.680
wild having regained a fear of humans. Ah, we're gonna get them to

1107
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.039
get that fear. Ah. Yeah, we're gonna make sure they're real scared

1108
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:41.840
of humans. That's the sound of
me punching my hand. Yeah, we're

1109
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:45.000
going to make sure they're real scared. One of the cubs appeared to have

1110
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:49.199
suffered serious injuries from a vehicle strike
earlier this month, according to the agency.

1111
01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:54.279
Well, that'll help with the re
establishing fear of humans, or at

1112
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:58.880
least fear of vehicles. I mean
that's a step, you know, given

1113
01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:02.000
her diet. Excuse me, it's
perhaps no surprise that Bear sixty four F

1114
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.800
chose the space under a Tahoe key's
home for her den. After she was

1115
01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:12.359
discovered there in March, local biologists
used the moment to immobilize her, collect

1116
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.199
her DNA, attach a tag to
her ear, and to fix a satellite

1117
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:18.960
tracking collar. Wow, that's so
cool. I want to go out and

1118
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.760
catch wild animals and put air tags
on them so I can just know what

1119
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:27.880
they're doing. Yeah, this actually
sounds fun. Let's do this. Yeah,

1120
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:29.640
you can be like, oh,
I don't know what to do today.

1121
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:31.720
Let me see what that bear's doing, or even you know, let

1122
01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:36.600
me see what that really fat raccoon
is up to. Yeah, he's sleeping.

1123
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:43.520
That would be pretty much always the
case. The collar slipped off two

1124
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:47.439
months later, but the data collected
helped differentiate Bear sixty four F from a

1125
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:54.680
your Your Sign population numbering roughly five
hundred in the Lake Tahoe region. The

1126
01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:58.479
average female black bear weighs up to
two hundred and seventy five pounds, according

1127
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:02.159
to CDFW, but it's not uncommon
for males to weigh more than five hundred

1128
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:06.960
pounds. Wow. Much of the
bear's diet is plant based consisting of berry

1129
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:14.039
seeds and insects. That's a plant. But their ability to adapt based on

1130
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:17.760
their environment is part of what makes
them a top predator. They're like,

1131
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.560
they mostly eat plants, but they're
willing to adapt, which makes them a

1132
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:24.479
great predator. It's like, well, yeah, if they're adapt by eating

1133
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:28.880
living things, that would be that
would be adaptation and being a predator.

1134
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.640
I suppose. According to one resident
of the area, at least one of

1135
01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:36.840
the Hanks had a hankering for desert. Oh for dessert. Oh for dessert.

1136
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:41.560
That makes more sense. The bear
ate a two gallon tub of ice

1137
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:45.000
cream from her neighbor's trash can.
Wow, why are they throwing out a

1138
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:50.399
two gallon tub of ice cream?
Yeah? Exactly? Am I wrong that?

1139
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.880
I feel like that's a question.
So how long it it been in

1140
01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:59.239
the trash can because it melts,
Yeah, and then it would just seep

1141
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:01.479
all over the plan. And was
it a two gallon tub of ice cream

1142
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.439
full of ice cream? Or was
it like there was a half a gallon

1143
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:10.479
left in it and then and then
the bear ate it or like there was

1144
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.520
yeah exactly. I don't know.
I want these questions answered, and I

1145
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:20.000
want it now, yeah, this
is important. Doctor Stacey Baker, a

1146
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:26.159
veterinarian who works with the local nonprofit
Bear League, says that it's instinctual for

1147
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:31.359
bears to search the landscape for food. Brilliant, brilliant deduction. So that

1148
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:36.119
makes it the responsibility of residents,
the human ones. Oh I see.

1149
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:41.039
Oh yeah, blame it on us
because we got thumbs to maintain a bear

1150
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:46.319
safe community, she says, yeah. Or is it our responsibility to keep

1151
01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:51.119
bears in ice cream so that they're
happy and fat? I mean that sounds

1152
01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:55.600
like that's probably what it is.
You're just instead of so like they're in

1153
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.479
the woods or wherever, and we
just go and bring them lots of ice

1154
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:03.520
cream. Yeah, yeah, then
they'll stay away. Quote. Securing garbage

1155
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:08.840
is huge. Bear proof containers work. If everyone did not leave garbage,

1156
01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:12.880
the bears would go somewhere else,
like to a local boy Scout camp where

1157
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:18.239
there's plenty to eat in septberk.
The community of Tahoe Keys has since revised

1158
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:25.760
a policy that previously forbade residents from
using temporary storage structures, including bear boxes.

1159
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:33.319
They were banned from using them.
Wow, what the hell? I

1160
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:36.319
also I want to point out at
the bottom of this NPR article, same

1161
01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:40.239
thing. The tags are just Lake
Tahoe, Hank, the Tank, black

1162
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:45.520
bears and bears. He good,
good job NPR. Yeah, they're in

1163
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:48.720
PR. They can put whatever tags
they want. I'm proud of you.

1164
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:55.279
Okay. To wrap up the spooky
news, I did find one. This

1165
01:29:55.359 --> 01:30:00.159
has to be funny, yeah,
a local woman with terminal cancer. No.

1166
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:08.039
So this is from Mirra dot co
dot uk. Most foul mouthed haunted

1167
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:15.520
doll in UK filmed swearing at ghost
hunters Okay. A shocking video of a

1168
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:20.039
very sweary haunted doll has been released
by paranormal investigators who have been dealing with

1169
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:27.640
its outbursts in a museum for spooky
objects. The allegedly cursed toy named Scarlet

1170
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.600
quote quote unquote lives at the Haunted
Objects Museum on the outskirts of Rotherham in

1171
01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:40.039
South Yorkshire, and the museum's curators
hey Lee Steer and Lindsay Shearin, the

1172
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:44.560
folks from that other article about the
ghost image. It's them again. I

1173
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.680
think they might have gotten married.
And this articles out of date because now

1174
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:54.319
that because then that one it was
Lee and Lindsay Shear right right, Yeah,

1175
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:59.119
but uh yeah, this is their
their museum. Wow Yeah. Picked

1176
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:04.720
her up from anonymous donor and low
stuff Suffolk a year ago. Lindsay forty

1177
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:11.000
three, who used electronic voice phenomena
digital recorders that supposedly pick up utterings from

1178
01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:15.239
beyond the grave to capture the obscene
language, says Scarlet's party piece is blurting

1179
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:25.680
out obscene four letters swear words wow. While hunting for a response from the

1180
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:29.000
doll, Lindsay asked, is that
your real name, to which a voice

1181
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:33.279
thought to be the toys appeared to
reply, You're fucked. In another exchange,

1182
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:36.399
the doll was asked, who are
you more scared of? Again?

1183
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:43.479
Scarlet is believed to her, replied
Lindsey. However, during the time of

1184
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.439
the recording, no one had said
the woman's name. Lindsay believes the doll,

1185
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:50.359
which was donated to her by an
elderly later lady, is one hundred

1186
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:55.920
years old. She said quote the
lady who owned Scarlet contacted us because her

1187
01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:00.079
health had deteriorated, and she blamed
her ailments on the doll. So they

1188
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.760
were like, yeah, I want
bad health, come on, give me

1189
01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:05.439
the doll. I suppose it was
one of those where I was like,

1190
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:11.119
what a curiosity. I like that, But I first when I thought it

1191
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.439
said bad health, I thought it
was gonna say and she can no longer

1192
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:15.439
adequately take care of the haunted doll. That's what I thought it was gonna

1193
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:20.039
say. For a second. Yeah, like a pet quote. She wanted

1194
01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:24.560
rid of Scarlet, so we took
her in. We're always recording audio and

1195
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:28.159
video around the objects in the museum, and the things we get from Scarlet

1196
01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.199
are typically foul. It's f this
or shut the f up. She also

1197
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:41.600
recently blurted out twatt and ufing idiot. It's the For the record, it's

1198
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:45.039
the British version of twat, which
is not quite as offensive as the American

1199
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:49.199
one. Great, I've said that
word twice now on the podcast. It's

1200
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:53.319
the funniest thing, and she's becoming
one of the most cherished items in the

1201
01:32:53.399 --> 01:33:00.119
museum. She also loves attention.
This person sounds sane. Quote quote Okay,

1202
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:04.039
well, first of all, cell
uh say you got a doll?

1203
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:09.840
Yeah, I wouldn't get a doll
because they're scary, but yeah, continue,

1204
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:15.039
or a figurine. Okay, you
like figurines. There's one behind you

1205
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:19.000
right now. No, there's not
actually I think I actually got that as

1206
01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:23.680
a gift for you. Actually,
that blue heart, blue haired anime thing.

1207
01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:27.520
Oh no, that's from my sister. Okay, uh say that that

1208
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:30.800
you got that thing and you were
like, you're such a cool decoration,

1209
01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:34.239
and then it went fuck you.
How would you react? I don't know,

1210
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:40.920
set it on fire? Yes,
wow, you are you will not

1211
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.079
suffer fools? Huh? No,
I don't. I don't want things to

1212
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:46.359
say. Well, actually no,
if if I would go, i'd be

1213
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:54.760
like going to the doctor. I
had a feeling. I was like,

1214
01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:58.199
I feel like you would just assume
you've gone mad. Yeah, but maybe

1215
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:03.399
I'm Maybe I'm out of line on
that one. So quote. We recently

1216
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:08.199
announced the end of an investigation into
her. She clearly didn't want us to

1217
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.680
leave, as the next thing we
know, the doors are slamming and our

1218
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:15.520
equipment is going haywire. It was
like she was throwing a supernatural tantrum.

1219
01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:18.520
Well, if she didn't want you
to stop investigating her, she should have

1220
01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:25.319
just started doing that stuff from the
beginning. Yeah. And it's not the

1221
01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:29.479
only spooky doll in the UK either, as according to the Sun, a

1222
01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:32.520
haunted doll was sent back to Scotland
this year, amid claims it terrorized a

1223
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:41.000
schoolboy in New Zealand. The vintage
hand painted figure named Emily is feared to

1224
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.560
have been possessed by the youngster Scott's
born late Graham, who had emigrated to

1225
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:51.000
Auckland but had hated living overseas.
The disabled woman took the doll with her

1226
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:56.239
and often lost her temper and frustration
at her plight. Upon her death,

1227
01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:00.800
the doll was boxed up and left
in her grandson's wardrobe. Had a terrible

1228
01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:02.880
effect on him, it was claim, or at least it was claim.

1229
01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:08.199
Uh. He began having nightmares and
violent episodes during the night, and once

1230
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:14.279
punched a hole in his bedroom wall. Wait, so maybe Rachel's nephew who

1231
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.640
punched me in the stomach was just
being haunted by supernatural doll nightmares. Yeah.

1232
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:23.079
Absolutely, Yeah, See it's all
coming together. Yeah, at the

1233
01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:26.479
end of the days, it's all
working out. Yeah. The family dumped

1234
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:30.039
the doll in their garage, but
the boy fainted and kept banging his head

1235
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.560
off a chair. It was claimed, I hope you went. I hope

1236
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:36.199
they took him to see someone who
could help him, like like a like

1237
01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:42.479
a paranormal investigator. Yeah. Yeah, like his distraught mother, who did

1238
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:45.039
not want to be named, said
the doll scares the family. We all

1239
01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:51.159
agreed he was acting the same as
his grand His grand used to just bang

1240
01:35:51.239 --> 01:35:58.600
her head on things. I guess, so, I guess it made her,

1241
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:04.640
It made her crazy. Oh man, so h I couldn't help but

1242
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:10.920
notice on this article of the comments, which I usually never see, somebody

1243
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:15.199
named Muky Butt said, the Steers
say no more. These were the two

1244
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:19.199
investigators that taught that thought to fire
extinguishers. Fire extinguishers were the ghosts of

1245
01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:25.359
children. Apparently they don't have a
very good reputation. And then somebody else

1246
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:29.439
said, so film day because there's
no it says that this was recorded,

1247
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:33.560
but there's no recording. Oh yeah, so I guess the Steers are.

1248
01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:40.039
Yeah, they're they're not considered highly
trustworthy in the world of paranormal investigation,

1249
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:50.000
which that that says something. So
ay yea yeah. Well, we're gonna

1250
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:54.239
take a quick break and then we're
gonna get to our topic of the episode

1251
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:58.720
as we dive deep into the wendigo. So, I hope you all brought

1252
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:14.439
your healthy appetite right after this,
it's time cell to talk about the Wendygo.

1253
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:20.359
Oh right, yeah, were you? Were you hoping we'd forget or

1254
01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:27.000
what was that? Yeah? No, I would No, I forgot now

1255
01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:32.199
I remember. Well, Michelle,
if you had to explain to somebody what

1256
01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:36.079
the Wendy Go is, how would
you describe it? I think that it's

1257
01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:43.479
like a cryptid monster thing that like
is like a person that like was a

1258
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:47.239
cannibal or something, and now they're
not a person anymore. But they're probably

1259
01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:50.920
still a cannibal, but not really
because they're not a person, so they

1260
01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:57.680
just eat people. You're you're close. What's the Wendy Go look like like?

1261
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:06.920
I don't know, like it like
it uh wolf thing that like a

1262
01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:15.760
like a yetty, like it has
hands on its head. I was trying

1263
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:21.399
to phantomime to sell that it looks
like a deer and and then because she's

1264
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:30.479
a smartass, she took it literally. Thank you. The Wendy Go is

1265
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.159
thought to look like a deer monster, Okay, which makes sense because it's

1266
01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:38.760
the folklore of so many regions where
deer are, you know, a very

1267
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:44.359
common thing, and they're relatively sacred
too. Okay, so you're you're close.

1268
01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:49.600
My understanding is that the wendy Go
is a monster that comes from cannibalism.

1269
01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:55.520
So the monster itself eats people,
but to summon the monster, aka

1270
01:38:55.680 --> 01:39:00.079
become the monster, you have to
yourself eat human flesh first, so that

1271
01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.479
that like, it's like that desperation
that leads to eating human flesh. It's

1272
01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:09.439
kind of a in a way,
it's almost like a coping mechanism for the

1273
01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:16.520
idea of cannibalism for people who live
in a very unforgiving environment where sometimes that

1274
01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:21.520
happens. I'd also heard stories about
how the wendigo was also like a way

1275
01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:28.399
to relieve them of guilt for having
to commit cannibalism to survive. You know,

1276
01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:30.439
it would be like, oh,
so and so is gone because the

1277
01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:33.800
Wendigo got them, not you know, because we all huddled together as a

1278
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:39.840
group and decided we're going to eat
them. Yeah, okay, but that's

1279
01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:44.640
all That's like here my hearsay version, because we're about to dive into the

1280
01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:49.359
most official record of the Wendigo you
could ever get from Wikipedia. Yes,

1281
01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:55.640
you know, people like to laugh
about, you know, using Wikipedia,

1282
01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:59.960
which is fair because anybody can edit
it. But that's what makes Wikipedia hyper

1283
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.960
interesting is that anybody could edit it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's gonna

1284
01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:09.119
have lots of interesting takes because anybody
can jump in there. But that's why

1285
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:14.880
we always preface by mentioning that it's
Wikipedia that way, it's like a fallibility

1286
01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:17.399
clause. Yeah, so we're going
to talk about it, but it may

1287
01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:23.000
be completely inaccurate. But uh,
when was the first time you've heard of

1288
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:26.560
the Wendy Go? Do you remember? I think you just told me about

1289
01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:32.279
it like that. I feel like
that's my my entire lived experience. I

1290
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:34.680
asked my friends, like, how
did you hear about the Chupacabra? And

1291
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:42.319
they're like, you, how did
you hear about the melon head kids?

1292
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:47.680
You? Oh? Well, hell, I know we've established on this show

1293
01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:54.520
that unlike me and my piddly amount
of friends as a child, you you,

1294
01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:59.039
uh and your family and stuff never
talked about like terrifying campfire stories,

1295
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:04.239
apparently because they're scary and my parents
didn't want to traumatize me. I I

1296
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:10.479
think that that's a real shame.
Sure, I'm just saying. I mean,

1297
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:15.600
I you know, Laiarna kept me
straight most of my childhood. I

1298
01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:19.159
didn't need to believe that some lady
was going to come and drown me to

1299
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:23.359
not get out of bed at night
because you knew some lady who was going

1300
01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:27.079
to get Yeah, without even having
a story. Ye knew. It was

1301
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:30.359
kind I knew, I knew.
Plus my house was scary, so we

1302
01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:34.840
didn't want to Your house was scary. Yeah, yeah, it was scary.

1303
01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:38.840
You can't just say that and then
like ditch out. What Oh no,

1304
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.399
it's okay, we don't have to
talk. No, no, no,

1305
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:45.239
I want to talk about your scary
house. It just always felt really

1306
01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:50.199
weird, the one in Plainsborough,
and everybody had some experiences there. But

1307
01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:58.079
you know, but like ghostly experiences
or like creepy experience like experiences that we

1308
01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:02.920
couldn't explain. So could you give
like one example? Just one? Okay,

1309
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:09.560
So everybody pretty much at least my
mom and my sister and my brother

1310
01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:14.640
and I had experienced walking down like
first thing in the morning without you know,

1311
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.640
being the first person awake and hearing
a conversation when we're coming down the

1312
01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:24.119
stairs. Yeah, that is eerie. Now, as the died in the

1313
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.840
Wolf Skeptic, my first thought would
be television. Okay, television is not

1314
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:31.199
on because of the first person up. Oh well, I mean obviously if

1315
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:35.640
this were the television. It clearly
was on when it shouldn't have been or

1316
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:39.239
when no one would have expected it
to be on. Well, okay,

1317
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.760
so you like come downstairs and then
you go down the hallway because you're coming

1318
01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:48.800
down the stairs and nothing is on, and it stops pretty much immediately.

1319
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:56.000
So I mean, I was not
saying it couldn't have been something like that.

1320
01:42:56.079 --> 01:43:00.279
We have the furnace is right in
that area, so maybe we were,

1321
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.720
you know, doing that thing that
you do that's like paradolia, but

1322
01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:10.000
with hearing, where you you misinterpret
a sound that is clearly something else.

1323
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:14.600
It's always possible. There's plenty of
other things, but that's but I will

1324
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.600
never deny that that would not be
creepy. Yeah, and it's weird because

1325
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:23.159
most of these things we didn't talk
about with each other until after we left

1326
01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:28.560
there. Maybe you did talk about
it secretly as the voices for the other

1327
01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:31.079
people. Oh yeah, like,
hey, guys, do you hear voices

1328
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:38.960
downstairs? Because the only other thought
I could have would be vents or something.

1329
01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:45.920
Well, I mean that, Well, so the registers that would take

1330
01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:50.119
the air in, not registers,
the the guys the intake the air intakes.

1331
01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:53.560
Yeah, I know, where they
are. One of the one is

1332
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:56.479
in the downstairs hallway, so wouldn't
be that one, and the other one

1333
01:43:56.520 --> 01:44:03.279
is on the stairs upstairs, so
yeah, No, I think it's probably

1334
01:44:03.359 --> 01:44:06.600
just ghosts. Then, yeah,
just ghosts. See. I just I'm

1335
01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:12.960
so sad because I just want to
believe that in your family you were like

1336
01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.079
being regaled with stories of the of
the Gollum while you were going like before

1337
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:18.800
bed and stuff. I know you
weren't, but man, I wish you

1338
01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:23.880
were. I'm sorry. That would
have been so cool. No, I

1339
01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:30.000
don't want to be scared. Why
not? I don't know. Well,

1340
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:35.399
let's let's so we're gonna dive into
the Wendigo. So first up, let's

1341
01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:40.920
get a base understanding of the Wendigo. And uh, I'm gonna try my

1342
01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.880
best with these Native American tribe names. Wendy Go is a mythological creature or

1343
01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:51.680
evil spirit originating from the folklore of
the of Plains and Great Lakes natives,

1344
01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:57.479
as well as some First Nations Native
Americans. It is based in and around

1345
01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:00.359
the East Coast forests of Canada and
the Great Alan's regions of the United States

1346
01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.479
and the Great Lakes region of the
United States, and Canada grouped in modern

1347
01:45:03.479 --> 01:45:09.520
ethnology as speakers of Algonquin family languages. And I remember hearing that a lot.

1348
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:15.079
It's the Algonquins who mostly talked about
Wendigo. I brought up wendygo a

1349
01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:18.039
lot because I like to vacation in
northern Michigan. Right. And then the

1350
01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:20.960
moment I'm there alone and the snows
falling, I'm like I can hear the

1351
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:27.119
wendigo calling in the distance. The
wendigo is often said to be a malevolent

1352
01:45:27.159 --> 01:45:32.760
spirit, sometimes depicted as a creature
with human like characteristics which possesses human beings.

1353
01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:39.319
The wendigo is said to invoke feelings
of insatiable greed or hunger, the

1354
01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:44.479
desire to cannibalize other humans, and
the propensity to commit murder in those that

1355
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:49.079
fall under its influence. Okay.
In some representations, the wendigo is described

1356
01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:54.520
as a giant humanoid with a heart
of ice, a foul stench, or

1357
01:45:54.640 --> 01:46:01.840
sudden, unseasonably seasonable chill that might
precede its approach right. In modern psychiatry,

1358
01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:06.920
the wendigo lends its name to a
form of psychosis known as wendigo psychosis,

1359
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:13.880
which is characterized by symptoms such as
an intense craving for human flesh and

1360
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:18.279
an intense fear of becoming a cannibal. Oh okay, that is interesting.

1361
01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:21.439
Is it both or could it be
either? I think it said either,

1362
01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:26.640
Yeah, okay, because I could
see if you have an intense craving for

1363
01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.000
human flesh that you might also be
totally afraid of becoming a cannibal. Sure,

1364
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:32.880
well, I think that at that
point it would you would you're afraid

1365
01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:38.119
that you have a compulsion. It's
not a desire, you can't help it.

1366
01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:40.520
Yeah. Yeah, I mean because
it would makes sense, like if

1367
01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:44.479
you had an intense craving for human
flesh and then you became terrified of becoming

1368
01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:50.119
a cannibal. Yeah. Wendygo psychosis
is described as a culture bound syndrome in

1369
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:56.039
some First Nations communities. Other symptoms, such as insatiable greed and destruction of

1370
01:46:56.079 --> 01:47:00.439
the environment are also thought to be
symptoms of wendygo psychosis. Okay. The

1371
01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.279
concept of the Wendygo has been used
in literature and other works of art,

1372
01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:10.159
both by Native Americans and by others, including in works of social commentary and

1373
01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:15.000
of horror fiction. Well that makes
sense. I mean the first time I

1374
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:17.239
as silly as of a movie as
it was. The first time I ever

1375
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:25.119
heard of the Wendigo was watching a
movie called Frostbider, which was not a

1376
01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:28.680
serious horror movie, was very much
in the vein of like evil Dead two

1377
01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.520
like kind of silly and wild.
But it was shot in Michigan, Okay,

1378
01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:38.079
And it took place in Upper Peninsula, way up, way up the

1379
01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:44.279
Upper Peninsula, on an island up
there. So up Michigan's really fascinating because

1380
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:47.479
they're all these little tiny islands on
the way far end, and they're like

1381
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:54.319
very hard to get to. Yeah. In fact, in Frostbider, they

1382
01:47:54.640 --> 01:47:57.640
go to one to hunt. That's
how they end up encountering the Wendigo.

1383
01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:00.680
And the only way to get to
the island they're going to is buy an

1384
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:05.159
airplane. Oh and it turns out
I did a little reading, and that

1385
01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:10.199
is true that actual island can only
be reached by you need somebody with like

1386
01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:15.600
a bushplane. You can't use a
boat. You can, but there's no

1387
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:19.560
like there's no beach, and there's
not like a dock plane. Correct,

1388
01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:24.920
So it's it's very difficult to get
there. Okay. The easiest way is

1389
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:29.119
on an airplane. Okay, because
there are some blank stretches where a plane

1390
01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:33.640
could land, and that island is
very popular for hunting, but it's so

1391
01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:39.760
hard to reach. Very few people
ever get to go hunting there, So

1392
01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:42.920
I wish I could remember the name
of the island. But there's also a

1393
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:46.079
town on one of those islands that's
hard to reach. That's name is Windygow,

1394
01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:50.760
and I've always found that terrifying and
awesome cool. It's spelled w I

1395
01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:57.560
and d i g o instead of
a w E N. But they're about

1396
01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:00.479
to mention that in the Kree language, they're like a million translated of the

1397
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:05.239
term Windygo. So but no Windygo
Michigan exists, and it is on an

1398
01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:10.439
island that you can't visit at all
in the winter. Did people live there

1399
01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:13.359
during the winter. No, Oh, okay, no one lives there in

1400
01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:16.000
the winter. They only die there. No, they no one lives there

1401
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:20.560
in the winter, because I looked
it up and the island can only be

1402
01:49:20.600 --> 01:49:26.560
reached by boat or by plane.
When the winter comes, it becomes impossible

1403
01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.720
to get around on anything other than
a stone machine. So they just shut

1404
01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:33.800
everything down and leave. Okay,
it's like a preserve. And then there's

1405
01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:38.279
like a hotel and stuff there for
the spring and summer. Okay, so

1406
01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:44.439
it's not like a place that people
like actually have homes in. I mean,

1407
01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:46.479
I mean, like except for like
kind of vacation any time. Yeah.

1408
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.359
Yeah, And from what I mean, it's like not it's like the

1409
01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:53.399
size of like Long Beach Island,
New Jersey. Like it's not huge,

1410
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:58.119
but it's not, you know,
it's it's actually probably half a No,

1411
01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.359
it's about that size. I looked
at it. So I like Long Beach

1412
01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.520
Island too. I'm just saying,
like to give you context, Like it's

1413
01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:08.439
an it's a sizable island, but
it's not huge. You could live there,

1414
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:13.520
but considering where it is in Michigan, it's mostly like untouched like dense

1415
01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:17.479
forest. So yeah, which would
make sense. So I wish I knew

1416
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:20.199
a little bit more about I want
to go there, but like my my

1417
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:24.600
dream is to go there in the
winter and make them let me be there,

1418
01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:28.079
like like you know, let them
be like, Okay, we'll we'll

1419
01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:31.079
heat that, We'll let you heat
the place. Well, can't you just

1420
01:50:31.199 --> 01:50:39.239
walk across the whatever and yet the
Great Lakes? Yeah yeah, oh yeah,

1421
01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.760
you can just walk across lake you'uron. Well, I mean it's frozen,

1422
01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:47.359
right. No, the Great Lakes
very seldom freeze. Oh, I

1423
01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:54.560
mean they are really big and they're
constantly raging. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1424
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:57.159
Have you seen a great lake?
Well, you've seen one in Chicago,

1425
01:50:57.239 --> 01:51:00.880
I'm guessing no, yes, but
I also saw one in when I

1426
01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:06.359
was in Wisconsin. Oh, okay. Yeah, they're big, incredibly big.

1427
01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:10.239
Yeah, they look like the ocean. It's just the ocean when you

1428
01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:16.239
look at it. So, I
don't know. I mean I think that

1429
01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:21.960
they can occasionally chunks will freeze,
but it's never glassed over that. I

1430
01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:26.960
just don't think with the amount of
raging that that water does. Yeah,

1431
01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:30.359
I don't think it's really an option. But I guarantee it gets very,

1432
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:33.560
very cold, because the last time
I went up to Lake Huron, it

1433
01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:40.520
was like ungodly cold. The air
coming off of the water was so frigid.

1434
01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:44.840
My beard was freezing instantly. It
was I mean, you know,

1435
01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:50.520
it happens, It happens. So. The word appears in many Native American

1436
01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:57.119
languages and has many alternative translations.
Translations translations. The source of the English

1437
01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:02.439
word is the the Ojibwei word windigo
in the Kree language. It's with de

1438
01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:10.800
cow uh, also translated to wetico. Other translations are transliterations include Windigo,

1439
01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:18.000
Weendigo, Whendigo, Windigo, wind
Go, Wendago, Wendigo whendego, when

1440
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:25.439
dago whin jigo widjigu wichigu wi Gi. I'm really reading, I'm not just

1441
01:52:25.479 --> 01:52:30.479
like making sounds. Okay, I'll
stop though, but towards the end.

1442
01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:35.399
There's also when Tico, when go
with Taka and when Sitko I was reading

1443
01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:39.319
those like it's as I was reading
and I was like, oh, it

1444
01:52:39.319 --> 01:52:42.079
sounds like I'm just making sound.
I mean, you were looking at the

1445
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:45.279
screen, so I figured you were
really reading. On I was trying to

1446
01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:46.880
point out that there are like a
lot where like the J is replaced with

1447
01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.560
a G, and the G is
replaced with a with a T and a

1448
01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:56.119
K. That's all a plural of
wendy go og is also spelled whindy go

1449
01:52:56.279 --> 01:53:00.439
egg. Okay, I'm gonna stop. Uh. The proto algonquin herm has

1450
01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:06.760
been reconstructed as win tikawa, which
has which may have meant owl in early

1451
01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:17.159
algonquin okay. So the which the
chick which huge wet huge is a similar

1452
01:53:17.239 --> 01:53:23.800
being that appears in the legends of
the Alfabaskan people of the Northwest Pacific Coast.

1453
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:28.520
It too is cannibalistic. However,
it is characterized as an enlighten as

1454
01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:33.600
enlightened with ancestral insights. So it's
like, hey, people, we know

1455
01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:38.239
a lot about your ancestors. Anyway, eat that guy, right, No,

1456
01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:45.720
but we're gonna dive into the specific
folklore of the Algonquin people's wendy.

1457
01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:48.479
Go after this quick break and then
you can get back to hearing me struggle

1458
01:53:48.520 --> 01:54:00.720
to pronounce Native American words right after
this, and we are back to learn

1459
01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:03.960
a little bit more about the wendigo, which, of course, as I

1460
01:54:04.039 --> 01:54:09.960
said before, I mean the perfect
Thanksgiving creature to study. You know,

1461
01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:16.039
it involves eating, it involves Native
Americans. How's that not Thanksgiving? So

1462
01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:21.239
let's look at the folklore element of
the wendigo. The wendigo is part of

1463
01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:27.199
the traditional belief system of a number
of Algonquins speaking peoples, including the Aujibwe,

1464
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:32.840
the Sulte, the Cree, the
Nascapi, and the Inu. Although

1465
01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:36.800
descriptions can vary, somewhat common to
all these cultures is the view that the

1466
01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:44.800
wendigo is a malevolent cannibalistic supernatural being
or NCS for short. No, I'm

1467
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:51.920
MCS a malevolent cannibalistic supernatural being.
They were strongly associated with winter, the

1468
01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:57.800
north, coldness, famine, and
starvation. See that's why I think about

1469
01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.479
the Wendigo when I'm up in Michigan
getting all cozy in January, when everybody

1470
01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:04.159
else is left, and I'm like, Ah, this cabin's only thirty six

1471
01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:11.479
dollars a night, I'll take it. I I'm such a huge believer of

1472
01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:17.800
going to northern Michigan during the winter
because it's like everything's on sale. Yeah,

1473
01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:20.840
I mean that makes sense because no
one wants to be there. Exactly

1474
01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:24.800
very few people do. I mean, I told I still stayed at one

1475
01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.079
place. I hung out at the
biker bar, which was the only place

1476
01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:30.720
that was open and people were at
and they were all so nice. They

1477
01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:34.279
all liked me. It was fun. Yeah. I should have given them

1478
01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:40.079
weekly spooky business cards. I didn't
even think about it. Next time.

1479
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:45.279
Actually, I am going back there
January. Good. Basil H. Johnson,

1480
01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:50.680
an Ajibwi teacher and scholar from Ontario, gives a description of the Wendigo

1481
01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:57.399
as thus the Wendigo was gone to
the point of emaciation. Its desiccated skin

1482
01:55:57.479 --> 01:56:01.279
pulled tightly over its bones, its
bones pushing out against its skin, its

1483
01:56:01.279 --> 01:56:06.920
complexion the ash gray of death,
and its eyes pushed back deep into their

1484
01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:12.960
sockets. The wendigo looked like a
gaunt skeleton, recently and teared from the

1485
01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:17.720
grave. What lips it had were
tattered and bloody, unclean and suffering from

1486
01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:24.319
separation of the flesh. The wendigo
gave off a strange and eerie odor of

1487
01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:32.159
decay and decomposition, of death and
corruption. Cheez. I feel really bad

1488
01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:39.000
for them because they sound like they're
uncomfortable and their lips are bleeding and stuff.

1489
01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:43.079
You're like, I've been there.
Winter is so hard. Yeah,

1490
01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:47.640
I come inside. That's what they
want to do. But they're cold,

1491
01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:51.119
and I'm cold. If they're cold, if you're cold, they're cold.

1492
01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:56.159
Let them in. Uh. I
love this because as I started reading it,

1493
01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:59.439
at first I thought because it said
that he was a teacher and scholar

1494
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:01.840
from Montero, I didn't realize it
was going to be poetic, So at

1495
01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:04.159
first I was just gonna read it, and then I realized, like as

1496
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:08.239
I was reading it that it was
like a spooky story. I love that

1497
01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:15.159
ineugibly Eastern Cree, the West Main
Swampy Cree, Naskapi, and in New

1498
01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:19.279
Lore, Wendigos are often described as
giants that are many times larger than human

1499
01:57:19.319 --> 01:57:27.479
beings, a characteristic absent from myths
and other Algonquin cultures. Whenever a wendygo

1500
01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:30.840
ate another person, it would grow
in proportion to the meal it had just

1501
01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:35.079
eaten, so it could never be
full. That sucks, which part which

1502
01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:42.399
what part? Again fall It just
keeps growing, so it's always like super

1503
01:57:42.479 --> 01:57:45.600
super thin and stuff. That's terrible. One of the things that I've always

1504
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:49.039
heard about the Wendigo. And there
was a movie called Antlers that came out

1505
01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:53.840
last year, which was actually a
Wendy Go horror movie, but unlike a

1506
01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:58.520
lot of the other Wendy Go horror
movies, it like involved Native American tribes

1507
01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:01.800
and stuff like. It was highly
focused on being accurate to the urban legend

1508
01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:06.680
or to the legends and folklore,
which was really cool. One of the

1509
01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:11.560
elements of the Wendy Goo, especially
a person who's becoming a Wendygo, is

1510
01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:14.479
they eat and eat and eat and
eat, and they just keep getting thinner

1511
01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:17.239
and thinner and thinner. That's so
sad. Yeah, it's it's like really

1512
01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:23.640
heinous. And if I remember correctly, in the movie Antlers, you like

1513
01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:28.800
you waste away for a few weeks
before you fully transform into the Wendigo.

1514
01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:33.279
I mean, maybe you go to
the doctor because you could have an intestinal

1515
01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:38.600
parris I, you know, went
to the doctor and the doctor said,

1516
01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:43.000
no more Wendy go jumping on the
bed. Yeah. I always like that

1517
01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:47.239
song. When I was a kid, uh, when I was when I

1518
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:51.279
was learning fire eating when I was
younger, somebody asked me like, uh,

1519
01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:54.680
like I would talk about burning my
mouth and people would be like,

1520
01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:56.920
do you go, do you like
go to the hospital. I'm like no,

1521
01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:59.399
because they're just gonna say no more
monkeys jumping on the bed. They're

1522
01:58:59.399 --> 01:59:01.640
not gonna do it anything special for
you other than go you know you shouldn't

1523
01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:05.800
do that. Yeah, like you
are correct, I'll find don't worry.

1524
01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:13.800
I'll find another way to make a
living eventually, let's see. But yeah,

1525
01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:15.960
I always love the That's the other
thing that terrified me, the idea

1526
01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:17.800
of like eating and eating and eating
and just getting thinner and thinner and thinner.

1527
01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:23.039
There's a movie called Ravenous that my
buddy Dave and I just love and

1528
01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:27.199
it's a movie about these like fur
traders way back when, and they get

1529
01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:31.359
haunted by the Wendygo because the way
the most of the Wendigo stories that I've

1530
01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:35.720
seen depicted in movies are kind of
like a zombie story in that it's like

1531
01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:41.680
somebody's infected but you don't know,
so so like usually it's like you'll find

1532
01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:45.279
a guy in the woods all by
himself, starving and it'll be like,

1533
01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:46.680
I had friends, but we all
died in the snow. And then you

1534
01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:49.520
bring them back and they're like eating
food and eating food, but they keep

1535
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:55.600
getting thinner, and eventually you realize
that they had committed cannibalism at their camp

1536
01:59:56.159 --> 02:00:00.239
and now they're becoming a Wendygo.
So you got to give them humans and

1537
02:00:00.319 --> 02:00:03.319
then they'll feel better or they'll become
a Wendy Go faster. I don't,

1538
02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:08.720
I don't know. I mean,
I'm not a doctor, and I don't

1539
02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:13.800
I don't want to portray one,
but I do think if you if you

1540
02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:17.000
suspect you or yourself or a loved
one or becoming a Wendigo, do not

1541
02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:24.720
feed that. That's just my personal
opinion. Though the wendygo is seen as

1542
02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:29.439
the embodiment of gluttony, greed,
and excess. Never satisfied after killing and

1543
02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:34.800
consuming one person, they are constantly
searching for new victims. A wendygo need

1544
02:00:35.479 --> 02:00:40.439
A wendygo need not lose the human's
powers of cognition or speech, and in

1545
02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:46.640
some depictions may clearly communicate with its
prospective victims or even threaten or taunt them.

1546
02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:48.760
See, and you were being all
nice about them, and now you

1547
02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:53.880
realize they're kind of jerks. Yeah, they kind of. I would hope

1548
02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:56.960
they'd be at least upfront and be
like, listen, I have to eat

1549
02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:02.439
you now because I'm really really hungry. Would you be like, oh,

1550
02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:05.800
fine, that's okay. I mean, if it really would make you feel

1551
02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:11.439
better, I guess that's the that's
the Michellee, if it'll make you feel

1552
02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:16.680
better, okay. Murder Me a
specimen of folk story collected in the early

1553
02:01:16.720 --> 02:01:25.119
twentieth century by Louis Chicago Marsden and
Ethno ethnographer Sorry of a Chippewas of the

1554
02:01:25.199 --> 02:01:29.800
Rama First Nation, in which a
wendigo also exhibits tool use, an ability

1555
02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:33.880
to survive partial dismemberment, and auto
cannibalism. I have heard some stories where

1556
02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:39.920
it starts eating itself as well.
In some of them, that's the penalty.

1557
02:01:39.960 --> 02:01:44.560
If the wendigo doesn't eat, it
ends up eating itself like all of

1558
02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:46.520
it. Or does it grow back. I think it eats itself till it

1559
02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:53.560
dies. Oh no, I'm just
that's in some stories. So here's a

1560
02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:59.960
quote from Lottie Marsden. One time, long ago, a big windigo stole

1561
02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:03.600
Indian boy. But the boy was
too thin, so the windigo didn't eat

1562
02:02:03.640 --> 02:02:08.359
him up right away, but he
traveled with the Indian boy waiting for him

1563
02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:12.039
till he'd get fat. The windigo
had a knife and he'd cut the boy

1564
02:02:12.079 --> 02:02:14.960
on the hand to see if he
was fat enough to eat. But the

1565
02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:19.119
boy didn't get fat. They traveled
too much. One day they came to

1566
02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:24.840
an Indian village and the windigo sent
the boy to the Indian to the Indian

1567
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:28.720
village to get some things for him
to eat. He just gave the boy

1568
02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:31.680
so much time to go there and
back. The boy told the Indians that

1569
02:02:31.680 --> 02:02:35.239
the windigo was near them and showed
them his hand where the windigo cut him

1570
02:02:35.319 --> 02:02:40.000
to see if he was fat enough
to eat. They heard the windigo calling

1571
02:02:40.039 --> 02:02:44.520
the boy. He said to the
boy, hurry up, don't tell lies

1572
02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:48.600
to those Indians. All of these
Indians went to where the windigo was and

1573
02:02:48.640 --> 02:02:53.560
cut off his legs. They went
back again to see if he was dead.

1574
02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:59.359
He wasn't dead. He was eating
the juice marrow. It just mentions.

1575
02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:03.880
That's what they called marrow marrow from
inside of the bones of his own

1576
02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:10.199
legs that were cut off. The
Indians. You're like, gotta get a

1577
02:03:10.239 --> 02:03:14.399
recipe. The Indians asked the windygo
if there was any fat on them.

1578
02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:17.199
He said, you bet there is. I have eaten lots of Indians,

1579
02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:23.680
no wonder they are fat. The
Indians then killed him, cut him and

1580
02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:29.039
cut him to pieces. This was
the end of this giant windygo. Aw

1581
02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:32.920
only you would take sides with the
windygo. I just feel bad because they

1582
02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:36.279
like cut him. And then he
was like trying to be resourceful and eating

1583
02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:39.560
his legs, and they were like, I guess we just have to kill

1584
02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:44.840
you. That's resourceful. Yeah.
Where he was carrying a little boy around

1585
02:03:44.880 --> 02:03:46.600
until he was fat enough to eat
him. I mean, realistically, he

1586
02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:50.439
should have just eaten the little boy
in the beginning and we could have avoided

1587
02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:55.119
all of this, but you know, I don't think he wanted a skinny

1588
02:03:55.159 --> 02:03:58.840
little boy. Oh no, oh
my god, be so picky that you

1589
02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:03.479
end up getting killed. That's the
moral of the story. Feature green beans

1590
02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:13.119
and shut up exactly. So here's
the elements of human cannibalism referenced. In

1591
02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:17.800
some traditions, humans overpowered by greed
could turn into Wendigoes. The myths thus

1592
02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:24.640
served as a method of encouraging cooperation
and moderation. Other sources say Wendy Goes

1593
02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:30.720
were created when a human resorted to
cannibalism in order to survive. That's most

1594
02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:33.399
of the stories I've always heard were
that humans resort to cannibalism out of desperation

1595
02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:39.479
and then the wendygo infects them.
Humans could also turn into Wendy Goes by

1596
02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:44.319
being in contact with them for too
long. Okay, and I because I

1597
02:04:44.359 --> 02:04:46.920
always thought that also, Oh actually
this is the next part. This part

1598
02:04:47.039 --> 02:04:49.000
is kind of my theory too.
I always thought that it was kind of

1599
02:04:49.039 --> 02:04:55.039
like a taboo reinforcement, Like it
was to like make to like help insist

1600
02:04:55.159 --> 02:05:01.000
on a taboo towards cannibalism. Among
the essob Assinoboyne, the Kree, and

1601
02:05:01.039 --> 02:05:06.920
the Ajibwi, a satirical ceremonial dances
sometimes performed during times of famine to reinforce

1602
02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:12.960
the seriousness of the Wendigo taboo.
The ceremony, known as the I'm not

1603
02:05:13.039 --> 02:05:16.840
even going to try to say that
it is it is literally eighteen letters,

1604
02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:24.600
was performed during times of famine and
involved wearing masks and dancing backward around a

1605
02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:29.479
drum. The last known Wendygo ceremony
conducted in the Universitate and the United States

1606
02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:33.159
was that Lake Wendigo of Star Island
of Cast Lake within the Leech Lake Indian

1607
02:05:33.199 --> 02:05:38.680
Reservation in northern Minnesota. Okay,
I did know there was a Lake Wendigo

1608
02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:42.720
as well in Minnesota. Also,
sounds like a fun place to go.

1609
02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:50.840
I'm sure it does, so,
all right, let's see. In historical

1610
02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:57.399
accounts of retroactively diagnosed Wendygo psychosis,
it has been reported that humans became possessed

1611
02:05:57.439 --> 02:06:00.920
by the Wendigo spirit after being in
a situation needing food and having no other

1612
02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:06.800
choice besides cannibalism. So this one's
creepy. This is from sixteen sixty one,

1613
02:06:08.520 --> 02:06:13.439
reported by the Jesuit's Jesuit Relations,
which was a newspaper, and it's

1614
02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:17.159
been maybe a little funky. It's
translated from French. Okay. What caused

1615
02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:21.880
us greater concern was the news that
met us upon entering the lake, namely,

1616
02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:27.600
the men deputed by our conductor for
the purpose of summoning the nations of

1617
02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:31.279
to the North Sea and assigning them
a rendezvous where they were to await our

1618
02:06:31.319 --> 02:06:35.439
coming, had met their death the
previous winter in a very strange manner.

1619
02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:40.800
Those poor men, according to the
report given us, were seized by an

1620
02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:45.479
ailment unknown to us, but not
very unusual among the people who we were

1621
02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:50.720
seeking. They were afflicted with neither
lunacy, hypochondria, nor frenzy, but

1622
02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:57.399
have a combination of all these species
of disease, which affects their imaginations and

1623
02:06:57.479 --> 02:07:02.039
causes them a more than cane nine
hunger. This makes them so ravenous for

1624
02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:06.359
human flesh that they pounce upon women, children, and even upon men,

1625
02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:14.039
like veritable werewolves, and devour them
voraciously, without being able to appease or

1626
02:07:14.079 --> 02:07:18.319
glut their appetite. You ever seeking
fresh prey, and the more greedily the

1627
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:24.319
more they eat. This ailment attacked
our deputies and as death in the role,

1628
02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:30.239
and as death is the sole remedy
among those simple people for checking such

1629
02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:32.960
acts of murder, they were slain
in order to stay the course of their

1630
02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:39.359
madness. Geez, that's pretty fucking
horrific. Yeah. Sorry, I was

1631
02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:43.640
a little distracted. Chicano was walking
around under my legs. Oh yeah,

1632
02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:47.079
it's fine. He's only fifty five
pounds. I barely notice him. So

1633
02:07:47.720 --> 02:07:55.680
that story was about men meeting with
some natives and them having gone crazy like

1634
02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:59.640
before they got there. Well,
they said their claim was that it wasn't

1635
02:07:59.720 --> 02:08:05.039
lunar see hypochondria or frenzy, that
it was some other kind of illness,

1636
02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:13.800
which they're considering to be Wendygo psychosis
in hindsight, although in many recorded cases

1637
02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:18.039
of Wendygo psychosis, the individual has
been killed to prevent cannibalism from resulting.

1638
02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:24.439
Some prefolklore recommends treatment by ingesting a
fatty animal meats or drinking animal grease.

1639
02:08:24.039 --> 02:08:31.720
Oh, also like being constipated.
Yeah. Those treated may sometimes vomit ice

1640
02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:37.920
as part of the curing process.
Wow. Yeah, now see now sheells

1641
02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:39.199
into it. She's like, that's
so cool. I mean, if you're

1642
02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:43.399
gonnam something, I guess that's fine. I guess ice is okay. I

1643
02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:48.079
guess I guess it's fine. One
of the more famous cases of Wendygo psychosis

1644
02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:54.239
reported involved a planes cree trapper from
Alberta named swift Runner. During the winter

1645
02:08:54.279 --> 02:08:56.600
of eighteen seventy eight, swift Runner
and his family were starving, and his

1646
02:08:56.680 --> 02:09:05.520
eldest son died miles away from emergency
food supplies at Hudson Bay Company Post.

1647
02:09:05.800 --> 02:09:09.800
Swift Runner butchered and ate his wife
and five remaining children. Given that he

1648
02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:13.760
resorted to the cannibalism so near to
food supplies, and that he killed and

1649
02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:18.880
consumed the remains of all those present, it was revealed that swift Runner was

1650
02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:22.960
not a case of pure cannibalism as
a last resort to avoid starvation, but

1651
02:09:22.119 --> 02:09:28.760
rather of a man with Wendygo psychosis. He eventually confessed and was executed by

1652
02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:35.039
authorities at Fort Saskatchewan. Well,
we're going to have more to dig your

1653
02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:37.760
teeth into after this quick break.
We're going to talk even more about the

1654
02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:41.840
Wendygo But right now, I'm hungry. How about you. I'm actually very

1655
02:09:41.920 --> 02:09:54.079
hungry. Oh oh no, oh, no, very hungry, And we

1656
02:09:54.199 --> 02:10:01.199
are back talking all about the wendigo. But we Michelle have a quick snack

1657
02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:11.439
since she was getting peaked, So
my arm is never gonna be the same.

1658
02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:16.159
I hope it was good. It's
gonna heal. Come on, why

1659
02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:22.600
are you licking your lips as you're
saying it's gonna heal? Because because I

1660
02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:31.039
am, I don't know. Okay, fine, send help. Although in

1661
02:10:31.119 --> 02:10:35.880
many recorded cases of Wendygo psychosis,
the individual has been killed to prevent the

1662
02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:39.359
cannibalism from resulting, some prefolklore recommends
treatment by ingestion. Oh yeah, we

1663
02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:43.520
mentioned that, but I wanted to
mention that again before we go into even

1664
02:10:43.600 --> 02:10:48.680
more cases. So they sometimes fatty
animal meats or the drinking of animal grease

1665
02:10:48.760 --> 02:10:52.439
is used, and then they suggest
that vomiting ice is part of the curing

1666
02:10:52.520 --> 02:10:56.960
process, which is terrifying. Makes
sense though, it's the idea that that,

1667
02:10:56.159 --> 02:11:00.239
like in a lot of this folklore
I've read, the Wendy goes like

1668
02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:03.159
a part of winter, like like
winter is a part of it, So

1669
02:11:03.640 --> 02:11:05.800
it would make sense, like if
you're becoming a Wendy Go, like there's

1670
02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:09.680
ice inside you. I guess it's
kind of creepy concept. I like it.

1671
02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:16.199
One of the more famous cases of
wendygo psychosis reported involved a plane's cree

1672
02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:18.840
trapper from Alberta. Damn it I
read that. Sorry, sorry, wrong

1673
02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:26.359
part Fort Saskatchewan. Good stuff all
right? Uh. Another well known case

1674
02:11:26.439 --> 02:11:31.640
involving wendygo psychosis was that of Jack
Fiddler, an o G Cree chief and

1675
02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:37.640
medicine man known for his powers at
defeating wendygoes. In some cases, this

1676
02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:46.319
entailed killing people with wendygo psychosis.
That is quite a curing So what do

1677
02:11:46.359 --> 02:11:50.199
you do? I kill them when
they say they're a wendygo nice like it.

1678
02:11:52.520 --> 02:11:54.880
As a result, in nineteen o
seven, okay, I was not

1679
02:11:54.960 --> 02:12:00.520
expecting it to be that recent.
Yeah, okay, you know seven,

1680
02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:07.039
Fiddler and his brother Joseph were arrested
by Canadian authorities for homicide. Oh no,

1681
02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:09.520
hey, this is getting dark,
really, I mean it wasn't dark

1682
02:12:09.600 --> 02:12:16.319
before Jack. Oh Jack committed suicide, but Joseph was tried and sentenced to

1683
02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:22.520
life in prison. He ultimately was
granted a pardon, but died three days

1684
02:12:22.600 --> 02:12:26.680
later in jail before receiving the news
of this pardon. Oh no, I

1685
02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:30.840
want to know why he was pardoned? Like well, he was like murdering

1686
02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:35.279
people. He was killing Wendigoes like, he wasn't just killing people. See,

1687
02:12:35.359 --> 02:12:39.920
And I feel like that's the problem
because then every enemy becomes a Wendy

1688
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:43.560
go Like. That's what our government
would do if if we had a law

1689
02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:45.359
like that, you could kill Wendy
Goes as all of a sudden, it

1690
02:12:45.359 --> 02:12:46.079
would be like, you know,
ah, these people who don't like the

1691
02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:50.439
oil wars, they're Wendy Goes.
These people who don't like this thing,

1692
02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:54.840
Wendy Goes. Yeah. But I
mean, we don't know that he did

1693
02:12:54.880 --> 02:13:01.159
that. Maybe he was really moral
and he only killed bad things. Could

1694
02:13:01.159 --> 02:13:05.479
be. It doesn't It doesn't help
that his partner in crime literally committed suicide.

1695
02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:11.359
That makes me think that you know, hey, that does not mean

1696
02:13:13.079 --> 02:13:16.239
no, that doesn't mean that he
that he would he was wrong. It

1697
02:13:16.359 --> 02:13:20.119
just means it doesn't. We don't
know what that means. Okay, fair

1698
02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:26.439
enough, you should be an attorney, a very very dour attorney. Yeah,

1699
02:13:26.479 --> 02:13:28.800
you're honor. We don't know that
that means that he's he's guilty.

1700
02:13:28.840 --> 02:13:33.239
He could be he could be not
guilty with that, yeah, exactly.

1701
02:13:35.960 --> 02:13:41.279
Fascination with wendygo psychosis among Western ethnographers, psychologists, and anthropologists led to a

1702
02:13:41.319 --> 02:13:48.319
hotly debated controversy in the nineteen eighties
over the historicity of this phenomenon. Some

1703
02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:54.760
researchers argued that essentially, wendy Go
psychosis was a fabrication, the result of

1704
02:13:54.960 --> 02:14:03.880
Native anthropologists taking stories related to them
at face value without observation. That's interesting.

1705
02:14:03.279 --> 02:14:07.720
Yeah. Others have pointed to a
number of credible eyewitnesses accounts, both

1706
02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:15.000
by Algonquins and others, as evidence
that Wendygo psychosis was a factual historical phenomenon.

1707
02:14:16.640 --> 02:14:22.239
The frequency of Wendygo psychosis cases decreased
sharply in the twentieth century as boreal.

1708
02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:28.399
As a boreal Algonquin people came into
greater and greater contact with European ideologies

1709
02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:35.000
and more seddinary, less rural lifestyles, so they starved less exactly. I

1710
02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:35.720
mean, I'm not trying to be
a jerk. It's just that's what that

1711
02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:39.960
means. They mean that like they
had not they had a modern food convenience,

1712
02:14:41.680 --> 02:14:46.560
which is excellent. I want to
point out something this does happen in

1713
02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:54.079
history, where reading like a text, people take it literally when it was

1714
02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:58.520
actually written figuratively or potentially poetically.
One of my favorite examples is, to

1715
02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:07.199
this day, there are stories in
parts of Romania of days where warnings were

1716
02:15:07.239 --> 02:15:13.000
issued that a vampire may have risen
from the grave and that people should prepare

1717
02:15:13.479 --> 02:15:18.520
for that by hanging up garlic and
crosses and stuff like that. For a

1718
02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:24.560
long time, people thought that that
just the countryside of Romania was full of

1719
02:15:24.720 --> 02:15:28.439
like crazy cavemen who believed in vampires
running a muck and all this stuff.

1720
02:15:30.399 --> 02:15:37.039
Now a lot of researchers believe that
this was a celebration thing. That the

1721
02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:41.960
idea was, remember everybody, put
up your festive garlic and your crosses and

1722
02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:46.319
stuff, because the vampire is loose, and it wasn't serious at all.

1723
02:15:46.359 --> 02:15:50.319
It was like and it was a
it was a kind of celebration because even

1724
02:15:50.439 --> 02:15:52.920
they because the time period that that
was happening, even that was one hundreds

1725
02:15:52.920 --> 02:15:58.359
of years replaced from the original vampire
folklore, So those people would would very

1726
02:15:58.520 --> 02:16:03.399
likely not believe in vampires straightforwardly.
So I kind of get this though that

1727
02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:05.800
way, he says, like,
because there are some I remember hearing that

1728
02:16:05.800 --> 02:16:09.920
there were some people who believe that
wendigo was just the word for cannibalism,

1729
02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:16.279
and that people just kind of misunderstood
the writings they read. I mean that

1730
02:16:16.479 --> 02:16:22.159
would make sense. Yeah, it's
very interesting. In his two thousand and

1731
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:30.159
four tretise Revenge of the Wendigo on
disorders and treatments of the behavioral health industry

1732
02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:35.079
in the United States and Canada that
are peculiar to Indigenous people, James B.

1733
02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:39.879
Waldrom wrote, no actual cases of
wendigo psychosis have ever been studied,

1734
02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:43.680
and lou Morano's scathing critique in nineteen
eighty five should have killed off the cannibal

1735
02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:50.360
monster within the psychiatric annals. The
Wendigo, however, continues to seek revenge

1736
02:16:50.360 --> 02:16:58.280
for this attempted scholarly execution by periodically
duping unsuspected passers by like psychiatrists into believing

1737
02:16:58.280 --> 02:17:03.520
that wendigo psychosis not only exists,
but that a psychiatrist could conceivably encounter a

1738
02:17:03.559 --> 02:17:09.840
patient suffering from this disorder in his
or her practice. Today, Whindigo psychosis

1739
02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:13.520
may well be the most perfect example
of the construction of an aboriginal mental disorder

1740
02:17:13.559 --> 02:17:20.559
by scholarly professions, and its persistence
dramatically underscores how constructions of the aboriginal by

1741
02:17:20.600 --> 02:17:26.559
these professionals have like doctor Frankenstein's Monster
taken on a life of their own.

1742
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:31.840
Okay, I see, So what
he's saying is that there's no literal disorder

1743
02:17:31.959 --> 02:17:37.040
that makes you fear you're a cannibal
or want of human flesh. There are

1744
02:17:37.079 --> 02:17:41.319
just disorders that could result in that, but it's not its own disorder.

1745
02:17:41.399 --> 02:17:45.520
Well yeah, I mean if you
think about like, okay, so not

1746
02:17:45.680 --> 02:17:48.719
the one where you actually desire to
eat people, but the one where you're

1747
02:17:48.760 --> 02:17:52.920
just afraid you're going to become a
cannibal, you could just be generalized anxiety

1748
02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:56.600
disorder. I feel like it's a
little bit more than general But yes,

1749
02:17:56.719 --> 02:18:01.680
no, I no, I totally
agree. No, totally agree. So

1750
02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:05.200
this guy's kind of saying that the
idea that Wendy Go psychosis is a thing

1751
02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:09.239
is just kind of an insult to
the native people, and I could see

1752
02:18:09.239 --> 02:18:13.799
where he's getting coming from. I
mean, it's definitely cultural, the idea

1753
02:18:13.879 --> 02:18:16.120
of it would be cultural. But
yeah, the fact that he said,

1754
02:18:16.120 --> 02:18:20.559
like, we've never actually treated anybody
diagnosed with Wendy Go psychosis, We've never

1755
02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:24.000
even seen them. They're all dead
by the time we hear about them.

1756
02:18:24.239 --> 02:18:31.000
Yeah, it's not ideal or maybe
it is, yeah, because if they

1757
02:18:31.079 --> 02:18:37.120
see them, they're gonna get eaten. The tenth Revision of the International Statistical

1758
02:18:37.120 --> 02:18:43.559
Classification of Disease and Related Health Problems
classifies windygo as a culture specific disorder,

1759
02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:50.280
describing it as quote rare. Historic
accounts of cannibalistic obsession symptoms included depression,

1760
02:18:50.719 --> 02:18:56.879
homicidal or suicidal thoughts, and a
delusional, compulsive wish to eat human flesh.

1761
02:18:58.120 --> 02:19:05.399
Some controversial new studies question the syndrome's
legitimacy, claiming cases were actually a

1762
02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:13.520
product of hostile accusations invented to justify
the victim's ostracism or execution. Oh don't

1763
02:19:13.520 --> 02:19:18.760
worry about Rob over there. He
had wehndy go psychosis, so we just

1764
02:19:18.799 --> 02:19:22.959
had to hang him. I mean
that sounds pretty normal, you know,

1765
02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:26.959
that sounds like something people would do. Yeah, especially like I can't overstate

1766
02:19:28.200 --> 02:19:35.000
living in hard country. You can't
blame people for trying to figure things out

1767
02:19:35.040 --> 02:19:39.200
any way they can when light living
is so hard. Sure, I can't

1768
02:19:39.239 --> 02:19:43.840
imagine what it was like living in
incredibly cold places in like nineteen ten,

1769
02:19:46.079 --> 02:19:50.879
Like they had heaters and stuff,
But like how I just don't there's no

1770
02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:54.719
cars. Yeah, you had dog
sleds and stuff like. It's crazy to

1771
02:19:54.799 --> 02:19:58.639
me. I remember when I heard
like the first the first Antarctic Exposit expedition

1772
02:19:58.719 --> 02:20:01.680
was in nineteen oh eight or something. I was like, how did they

1773
02:20:03.200 --> 02:20:09.399
do it? Yeah? It's crazy. So yeah, but uh so we're

1774
02:20:09.399 --> 02:20:13.440
gonna dig a little deeper now into
the idea of a concept of this being

1775
02:20:13.479 --> 02:20:18.440
a concept versus being a metaphor.
Okay, so here's some writings about it.

1776
02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:22.799
In addition to denoting a cannibalistic monster
from certain traditional folklore, some Native

1777
02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:28.239
Americans also understand the Wendig conceptually.
As a concept, the Wendigo can apply

1778
02:20:28.360 --> 02:20:33.680
to any person, idea, or
movement infected by a corrosive drive towards self

1779
02:20:33.680 --> 02:20:43.120
aggrandizing greed and excessive consumption, traits
that so disharmony and destruction if left unchecked.

1780
02:20:43.079 --> 02:20:48.959
Ojubwe scholar Brandy Desanti asserts that when
the wendigo quote can be understood as

1781
02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:54.600
a marker indicating a person imbalanced both
internally and toward the larger community of human

1782
02:20:54.639 --> 02:21:01.000
and spiritual beings around them, out
of equilibrium and a strain by their communities,

1783
02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:05.719
individuals thought to be afflicted by the
Wendigo spirit unravel and destroy the ecological

1784
02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:09.399
balance around them. H I like
that that makes sense. Well, I

1785
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:13.840
always thought that the wendigo made sense
as like a concept to like push you

1786
02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:18.159
against over consumption, to push you
against greed, to push you against cannibalism,

1787
02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:22.239
you know, things that are like
cannibalism, of course being a much

1788
02:21:22.280 --> 02:21:31.319
more antiquated element you know, of
modern Native American life. But like there

1789
02:21:31.479 --> 02:21:35.840
well, no, I mean,
there's no there's no doubt that there were

1790
02:21:35.879 --> 02:21:39.879
times of tragedy where Natives just from
the fact that they lived in some of

1791
02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:43.399
the most brutal places that there were
stories of cannibalism, there had to have

1792
02:21:43.440 --> 02:21:46.959
been sure. Sure, And I'm
not even talking about like you know,

1793
02:21:46.040 --> 02:21:50.200
I'm not even talking about ritualistic cannibalism
or YadA, YadA, YadA. I'm

1794
02:21:50.200 --> 02:21:54.799
talking just straight up desperation. Sure, no other option. Also, I'm

1795
02:21:54.840 --> 02:22:00.920
sure they heard stories of tribes around
them who did practice cannibalism purpose flee and

1796
02:22:01.319 --> 02:22:03.440
if they weren't down with that,
I'm sure that they felt very uncomfortable.

1797
02:22:05.200 --> 02:22:09.879
But with those stories, you know, we're talking about people from a very

1798
02:22:09.920 --> 02:22:13.280
long time ago. It's important to
point out, like we're talking like nineteen

1799
02:22:13.319 --> 02:22:20.680
eighty three, like yeah, but
oh yeah, So anyway, Chippewa author

1800
02:22:20.799 --> 02:22:26.520
Luis Eldritch's novel The Roundhouse, winner
of the National Book Award, depicts a

1801
02:22:26.559 --> 02:22:31.079
situation where an individual person becomes a
wendigo. The novel describes its primary antagonist,

1802
02:22:31.200 --> 02:22:35.600
a rapist whose violent crimes desecrate a
sacred site, as a wendigo who

1803
02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:43.319
must be killed because he threatens the
reservation's safety. That sounds interesting. In

1804
02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:48.639
addition to characterizing individual people who exhibit
destructive tendencies, the wendigo can also describe

1805
02:22:48.680 --> 02:22:54.319
movements and events with similarly negative effects. According to Professor Chris Schedler, the

1806
02:22:54.319 --> 02:23:01.200
figure of the wendigo represents quote consuming
forms of exclusion and assimilation though which groups

1807
02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:05.879
dominate other through which groups dominate other
groups. This application allows Native Americans to

1808
02:23:05.879 --> 02:23:11.879
describe colonialism and its agents as Wendy
goes, since the process of colonialism ejected

1809
02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:16.959
natives from their land and through the
natural world out of balance. I mean,

1810
02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:22.200
I could see that. I could
see the colonial the colonialism of America

1811
02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:28.280
kind of encouraging a to keep that
wendigo concept alive. Yeah, I could

1812
02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:33.319
see that for sure. Let's see. Desanti points to the nineteen ninety nine

1813
02:23:33.319 --> 02:23:37.120
horror film Ravenous. Remember I just
talked about the movie Ravenous. It's a

1814
02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:41.639
really good movie. But he's right, as an illustration of this argument equating

1815
02:23:41.639 --> 02:23:46.639
the cannibal monster to American colonialism and
manifest destiny, that is true. It's

1816
02:23:46.639 --> 02:23:50.680
mostly white men like trying to take
all the furs for themselves in that movie.

1817
02:23:52.079 --> 02:23:56.159
It's a really good movie. People
mostly just remember the best line of

1818
02:23:56.159 --> 02:24:01.000
the whole film, which is the
part where where they're sitting in the room

1819
02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:03.959
and they're talking about how one of
the hunters went off with the guy that

1820
02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:07.879
the stranger who's the wind to go
and nobody knows yet, and they ask

1821
02:24:07.959 --> 02:24:11.799
him, like, what happened after
you fell and hurt yourself And he's like

1822
02:24:13.159 --> 02:24:13.879
and they're like, you have to
tell us, and he's like, he

1823
02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:18.360
was licking May. And it's like
this incredible heart where he screams he was

1824
02:24:18.399 --> 02:24:22.719
licking me because he was leading and
yeah, yeah, So anytime I think

1825
02:24:22.719 --> 02:24:26.959
of Ravenus and he goes, he
was licking May. This movie features a

1826
02:24:28.040 --> 02:24:33.840
character who articulates that expansion brings displacement
and destruction as side effects, explaining that

1827
02:24:33.920 --> 02:24:39.879
manifest destiny and Western expansion will bring
thousands of gold hungry Americans over the mountains

1828
02:24:39.879 --> 02:24:43.280
in search of new lives. This
country is seeking to be whole, stretching

1829
02:24:43.319 --> 02:24:48.040
out its arms and consuming all it
can, and we merely follow. Okay,

1830
02:24:48.159 --> 02:24:52.000
I never, you know, I
need to rewatch Ravenus like this year,

1831
02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:54.159
I think, Dave and I'll do
it for our new podcast. Yeah,

1832
02:24:54.200 --> 02:24:58.639
because it is a really good movie, and it's one that people kind

1833
02:24:58.639 --> 02:25:03.079
of forgot about after it came out
and teen ninety nine. As a concept,

1834
02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:07.959
wendigo can apply to situations other than
some Native American European relations. It

1835
02:25:07.000 --> 02:25:13.239
can serve as a metaphor explaining any
pattern of domination by which groups subjugate and

1836
02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:18.719
dominate or violently destroy and displace.
Joe Lockhart, English professor at Arizona State

1837
02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:24.319
University, argues that wendigoes are agents
of social cannibalism who no quote, no

1838
02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:30.479
provincial or national borders. All human
cultures have been visited by shape shifting wendigoes.

1839
02:25:30.719 --> 02:25:35.479
Their visitations speak to the inseparability of
human experience. National identity is irrelevant

1840
02:25:35.520 --> 02:25:41.000
to this borderless horror. Okay,
cool, This is why I wanted to

1841
02:25:41.040 --> 02:25:43.399
do this topic for the record was
Yeah, I love the like, ooh,

1842
02:25:43.440 --> 02:25:46.200
there's a creature out in the snow
and it's gonna But really I was

1843
02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:50.479
like, I love that, like
all the mentality and the concepts in literature

1844
02:25:50.680 --> 02:25:58.159
of it, because no matter what
you think about American expansion, it's interesting.

1845
02:25:58.719 --> 02:26:01.040
Yeah, Like, no matter how
you feel, whether you think it

1846
02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:07.159
was it was excusable or you think
it was inexcusable, it's incredibly fascinating to

1847
02:26:07.479 --> 02:26:13.440
the effect it had on all cultures. Yeah. Lockhart's ideas explained that wendigoes

1848
02:26:13.559 --> 02:26:18.120
are an expression of a dark aspect
of human nature, the drive toward greed,

1849
02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:22.000
consumption, and disregard for other life
in the pursuit of self aggrandizement.

1850
02:26:24.239 --> 02:26:28.120
What do you pursue for self aggrandizement? I don't know what. I don't

1851
02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:33.879
know, human flesh. I'm starting
to worry about you a little bit.

1852
02:26:33.719 --> 02:26:41.520
Sorry, oh boy. Romantic scholar
and documentarian Emily Zarka, also a professor

1853
02:26:41.559 --> 02:26:46.639
at Arizona State University, observes that
two commonalities among the indigenous cultures of Algonquin

1854
02:26:46.719 --> 02:26:50.639
language family speakers are that they are
situated in climes where harsh winters are frequent

1855
02:26:52.000 --> 02:26:56.600
and may be accompanied by starvation.
The states. She states that the Wendigo

1856
02:26:56.680 --> 02:27:01.799
symbolically represents three major concepts. It
is the incarnation of winter, the embodiment

1857
02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:09.000
of hunger, and the personification of
selfishness. Okay, man, this is

1858
02:27:09.680 --> 02:27:13.239
sorry. I'm a nerd for this
kind of so I love interpretation and things

1859
02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:16.079
like that. We're gonna take a
quick break and we'll be back to talk

1860
02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:20.000
just a little bit about the Wendigo
in popular culture, and then we're gonna

1861
02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:31.600
wrap things up. Right after this, we are back here at Monthly Spooky,

1862
02:27:31.639 --> 02:27:37.159
wrapping up our deep dive into the
Wendigo. And I'm excited about this

1863
02:27:37.239 --> 02:27:41.879
part. Usually I would skip this
part for most most like deep dives into

1864
02:27:41.239 --> 02:27:46.440
something that's along the lines of a
cryptid or whatever. But I love,

1865
02:27:46.159 --> 02:27:52.760
and I mean love stories, movies, books, TV shows that are based

1866
02:27:52.799 --> 02:27:56.399
on the wendygo as well. So
I wanted to read a little bit of

1867
02:27:56.440 --> 02:28:01.000
the in the Wendigo in popular culture. Okay, although, and now the

1868
02:28:01.040 --> 02:28:03.879
first thing I read immediately there's a
novella called the Wendigo from nineteen ten,

1869
02:28:03.920 --> 02:28:07.879
and I'm like, I'm gonna go
get that because I know it's probably free

1870
02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:11.319
because it's public domain. I'm going
to go get that audio or that not

1871
02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:15.760
audiobook. But wait, I wonder
how long it is. I could read

1872
02:28:15.799 --> 02:28:22.000
it on weekly spooky maybe. Oh
now I'm all excited anyway, don't just

1873
02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:28.239
ignore me. Although distinct from how
it appears in traditional lore, one of

1874
02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:33.040
the first appearances of a character inspired
by or named after a wendigo in non

1875
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:41.360
indigenous literature is Algernon Blackwood's nineteen ten
novella The Wendigo Jonahzaire, Why why did

1876
02:28:41.360 --> 02:28:46.440
you hate that? Oh? It
wasn't supposed to sound like it was bad,

1877
02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:52.079
but it did. Sorry, it's
okay, misfire. Joonazaire or JONAZII

1878
02:28:52.360 --> 02:28:58.000
wrote that Blackwood's subtly demonizing rhetoric transforms
the wendigo from a native myth into a

1879
02:28:58.079 --> 02:29:03.559
descriptive template for the Indian savage wolf. Okay, maybe I don't want to

1880
02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:11.159
read that. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, now I stand by that

1881
02:29:11.239 --> 02:29:16.600
sound. I may see. And
this is the problem with going like,

1882
02:29:16.639 --> 02:29:20.440
oh, this book is old,
it's public domain, and then you read

1883
02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:24.399
it you're like, oh, right, it's old. I don't want to

1884
02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:28.319
read that. Even some of my
pole stuff while Poe's stuff is not like

1885
02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:31.959
nearly as bad as a lot of
others. Every now and then Poell drops

1886
02:29:31.959 --> 02:29:35.360
something where I'm like, uh,
I don't really like saying that, but

1887
02:29:35.680 --> 02:29:39.079
historical, but I think it's better
to not remove it, because we can't

1888
02:29:39.079 --> 02:29:43.280
forget that there was a time when
people were talking like that. It's very

1889
02:29:43.319 --> 02:29:48.000
important. I'm one of those people. I don't think you should clean history

1890
02:29:48.079 --> 02:29:48.760
up. I think you got to
leave it in there and be like,

1891
02:29:48.840 --> 02:29:52.479
yeah, he was a great author, but he also had some fucking bigotry

1892
02:29:52.520 --> 02:29:54.360
in him. Yeah, yeah,
you know. I don't think you should.

1893
02:29:54.360 --> 02:29:58.840
I don't think that bigots deserve to
get to get off scott free for

1894
02:29:58.920 --> 02:30:01.799
it. No, I think you're
right. Yeah, And we can all

1895
02:30:01.879 --> 02:30:05.200
learn from that. We can learn
that even somebody as brilliant as Poe had

1896
02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:07.959
that hate in him, that ignorance
in him, And we can learn from

1897
02:30:07.959 --> 02:30:15.360
that. Anyway. Vote for me
this coming November. This is my move

1898
02:30:15.440 --> 02:30:20.639
for politics. Blackwood's work was influenced
at Oh Wow, Okay. Blackwood's work

1899
02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:24.920
has influenced many of the subsequent portrayals
in mainstream horror fiction, such as August

1900
02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:31.239
Derleth's The Thing That Walked on the
Wind and Ehaqua from nineteen thirty three and

1901
02:30:31.319 --> 02:30:35.879
nineteen forty one, which in turn
inspired the character in Stephen King's novel Pet

1902
02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:41.040
Cemetery. Oh that is interesting,
where it is a personification of evil and

1903
02:30:41.239 --> 02:30:46.159
ugly, grinning creature with yellow gray
eyes, ears replaced by ramshorns, white

1904
02:30:46.239 --> 02:30:52.639
vapor coming from its nostrils, and
appointed decaying yellow tongue. So didn't that

1905
02:30:52.639 --> 02:31:00.680
have any ears? Nope? Sorrye
have you ever read a Steve King novel?

1906
02:31:01.239 --> 02:31:07.600
Uh? Huh? Which one?
That one? That's the you know,

1907
02:31:09.520 --> 02:31:15.399
the one. I can't help you
if you don't give me more.

1908
02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:22.120
Sorry, I like can't the Shining
Oh, okay, it's a good book.

1909
02:31:22.600 --> 02:31:26.000
Did you like it? I guess. Okay. Well, the reason

1910
02:31:26.040 --> 02:31:28.600
I wasn't trying to put you on
the spot, I apologize. I was

1911
02:31:28.600 --> 02:31:33.440
just was curious because I've watched way
more Stephen King movies than I've read Stephen

1912
02:31:33.520 --> 02:31:37.920
King books, obviously, so uh. But the pet Cemetery novel is very

1913
02:31:37.920 --> 02:31:41.840
different from the movie. Yeah,
there's a lot of reference to a Wendy

1914
02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:46.479
Go like creature and all this stuff, and they kind of skip that.

1915
02:31:46.559 --> 02:31:48.879
I think it was probably wise.
It's hard some things you can't really do

1916
02:31:50.079 --> 02:31:52.399
them straightforward in a movie that you
can do in a book. Sure,

1917
02:31:52.479 --> 02:31:58.840
sure uh. These works set the
template for later portrayals in popular culture,

1918
02:32:00.079 --> 02:32:03.920
at times even replacing the Native American
low In an early short story by Thomas

1919
02:32:03.959 --> 02:32:09.040
pinchin Mortality and These and Mercy and
Vienna, first published in nineteen fifty nine,

1920
02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:13.399
the plot centers around a character developing
wendigo syndrome and going on a killing

1921
02:32:13.440 --> 02:32:18.079
spree. In nineteen seventy three,
a character inspired by the Wendigo appeared in

1922
02:32:18.159 --> 02:32:24.079
American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by the writer Steve Engelhart and

1923
02:32:24.239 --> 02:32:28.120
artist Herb Trempi, the monster is
the result of a curse that afflicts those

1924
02:32:28.159 --> 02:32:33.959
who commit acts of cannibalism. It
first appeared in Incredible Hulk number one,

1925
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:41.680
sixty two and again in the October
nineteen seventy four issue Cool. Contemporary indigenous

1926
02:32:41.680 --> 02:32:45.760
works that explore the legend include the
nineteen ninety five novel Solar Storms by author

1927
02:32:45.799 --> 02:32:50.440
and poet Linda K. Hogan,
Who is Chickasaw, which explores the stories

1928
02:32:50.440 --> 02:32:54.559
of the Wendigo and incorporates the creatures
as a device to interrogate issues of independence,

1929
02:32:54.799 --> 02:33:00.559
spirituality, politics, an individual's relationship
to the family, and as metaphor

1930
02:33:00.639 --> 02:33:05.159
for corporate veracity, exploitation, and
power, all viewed as a form of

1931
02:33:05.200 --> 02:33:11.159
cannibalism. Okay, the title Solar
Storms is interesting for that I clicked on

1932
02:33:11.159 --> 02:33:13.239
that. I want to I'm gonna
see if I can get that book later

1933
02:33:16.520 --> 02:33:20.719
Risked, the two thousand and six
debut novel by First Nation's horror fiction writer

1934
02:33:22.000 --> 02:33:31.159
Nathan Nighan Newden Adler Hey Weird.
He's an Adler Weird combines the traditional Ajibwee

1935
02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:35.799
legend with the author's ideas inspired by
non Indigenous writers like Anne Riis and Tim

1936
02:33:35.840 --> 02:33:41.959
Powers. That sounds good too.
Other creatures based on the legend or named

1937
02:33:41.120 --> 02:33:46.000
for it appear in various films and
television shows, including Dark Was The Night,

1938
02:33:46.159 --> 02:33:50.159
Ravenous, The Lone Ranger, and
the twenty twenty one film Antlers by

1939
02:33:50.159 --> 02:33:52.280
Scott Cooper, where the Wendy Go
is portrayed as a deer like creature with

1940
02:33:52.319 --> 02:33:56.159
a glowing heart that moves from person
to person with a never ending hunger.

1941
02:33:58.600 --> 02:34:01.719
Gillmo di Guermo del Toro, producer
of the film, developed the Wendygo on

1942
02:34:01.760 --> 02:34:05.799
the basis that the more the creature
eats, the more it gets hungry,

1943
02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:09.520
and the more it gets hungry,
the weaker it becomes. In the twenty

1944
02:34:09.719 --> 02:34:13.639
twenty one film The Inhuman, the
arrival of a Wendigo symbolizes inner turmoil after

1945
02:34:13.639 --> 02:34:18.360
a character turns his back on his
indigenous heritage in the pursuit of material success.

1946
02:34:20.840 --> 02:34:22.760
So nice. These are pretty cool. Oh and then there's even some

1947
02:34:22.799 --> 02:34:30.360
references in video games, oh,
such as the twenty eighteen Fallout seventy six,

1948
02:34:30.479 --> 02:34:33.000
where Wendygos are featured as one of
the cryptid enemies found in the area

1949
02:34:33.079 --> 02:34:39.000
of Appalachia mutated from people who consumed
human flesh and isolation, and in twenty

1950
02:34:39.079 --> 02:34:43.600
eighteen first person shooter game Dusk,
Wendigoes are enemies that remain invisible until they

1951
02:34:43.639 --> 02:34:48.639
receive damage. Several of these creatures
are also appear in the game's cover art.

1952
02:34:48.120 --> 02:34:52.520
They left out the most the best
Wendigo video game of all time,

1953
02:34:52.559 --> 02:34:58.280
though Until Dawn there's Wendigo monsters in
Until Dawn. You need to edit the

1954
02:34:58.319 --> 02:35:05.120
Wikipedia I a lot of time.
Yeah you do, you do, do

1955
02:35:05.200 --> 02:35:11.280
it right now, exactly while we're
recording this. Just just we'll listen to

1956
02:35:11.319 --> 02:35:15.959
the calming taps and clacks of your
keyboards as you miss as you misspell everything

1957
02:35:16.479 --> 02:35:22.399
perfect. Uh. But anyway,
so that is the the the basic concept

1958
02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:26.479
of the wendigo and I was curious, like, uh, what do you

1959
02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:31.920
think about it after learning about it? I think it's really interesting. Yeah.

1960
02:35:31.959 --> 02:35:33.959
Do you think that the wendigo syndrome
is a real thing or do you

1961
02:35:35.000 --> 02:35:39.840
think that it's, uh, it's
kind of based in you know, misunderstanding

1962
02:35:39.879 --> 02:35:43.719
of history or what do you think? I think it's probably a combination of

1963
02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:48.399
misunderstanding and perfect cop out. I
like it, and also people who have

1964
02:35:48.479 --> 02:35:54.000
other things going on. Oh sure
that, like, aren't a specific wendigo

1965
02:35:54.200 --> 02:35:58.040
syndrome. Yeah, and I'm sure
it's not like there's not anybody who is

1966
02:35:58.280 --> 02:36:03.399
wants to eat here and flesh.
Somebody's got to want to do it just

1967
02:36:03.440 --> 02:36:09.799
for fun. So you're making me
very uncomfortable right now. It's okay,

1968
02:36:11.120 --> 02:36:15.559
is it? I'm not going to
eat you. I feel like that's exactly

1969
02:36:15.559 --> 02:36:18.120
what someone would say if they were
going to eat me. But I mean

1970
02:36:18.159 --> 02:36:20.399
it's also what I would say if
I wasn't going to eat you. I

1971
02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:28.399
mean I probably wouldn't say it at
all. But you know, we're going

1972
02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:31.920
to go to a quick break and
then we'll wrap things up with some stuff

1973
02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:37.920
about horror media and some books I
read right after stop looking at me like

1974
02:36:37.440 --> 02:36:52.799
I'm going to eat you. Right
after this, and we are back wrapping

1975
02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:58.840
up this delectable November edition of Monthly
Spooky. And I do want to mention

1976
02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:03.520
our next Monthly Spooky will be on
I mean, hey, it's the way

1977
02:37:03.559 --> 02:37:07.799
the calendar works on Christmas Day.
Oh weird. Yeah, it's gonna be

1978
02:37:07.799 --> 02:37:11.319
on Christmas Day because Christmas Day is
on a Monday, and it's the last

1979
02:37:11.360 --> 02:37:16.559
Monday of the month. So we'll
be here talking about Christmas and New Year's

1980
02:37:16.959 --> 02:37:20.879
and we look forward to seeing you. And yeah, so I guess you

1981
02:37:20.920 --> 02:37:24.520
know, the loneliest of our listeners
will have us to sit and enjoy the

1982
02:37:24.559 --> 02:37:31.959
holiday with. I'm sorry, guys. So anyway, So first of all,

1983
02:37:31.319 --> 02:37:35.680
as far as horror movies go,
I saw two horror films in the

1984
02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:39.120
theater in the last couple of weeks. I saw, of course, Eli

1985
02:37:39.239 --> 02:37:46.399
Roth's Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving horror movie, which I enjoyed. It was fun,

1986
02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:50.479
you know, literally a guy in
like a Pilgrim outfit and a Pilgrim

1987
02:37:50.479 --> 02:37:54.639
Mask is Killing People. It felt
like it was a movie that belonged in

1988
02:37:54.680 --> 02:37:56.120
like two thousand and eight. It
had like a lot of the kind of

1989
02:37:56.159 --> 02:38:00.799
tropes of like slasher movies from two
thousand and eight. But I did enjoy

1990
02:38:00.840 --> 02:38:03.760
it. I thought it was very
fun. It had a lot of really

1991
02:38:03.760 --> 02:38:09.440
gruesome kills. The tagline there will
be no leftovers very funny, and the

1992
02:38:09.479 --> 02:38:11.840
other one that they you know what
though, it was sad. So there

1993
02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:15.680
will be no leftovers was one of
the taglines I thought was funny. But

1994
02:38:15.719 --> 02:38:18.239
the one that I didn't that didn't
come over well was there was a part

1995
02:38:18.280 --> 02:38:22.200
where a person got cut in half
and then they put half of their body

1996
02:38:22.239 --> 02:38:28.239
on the sign at the store that
said half off. And they tried to

1997
02:38:28.239 --> 02:38:30.239
make this line work, and I
didn't think it did in the movie,

1998
02:38:30.239 --> 02:38:31.239
where they would say like, if
we don't figure out who this is,

1999
02:38:31.280 --> 02:38:35.840
we're going to be half off too, and I was like, uh,

2000
02:38:35.079 --> 02:38:39.479
that line didn't quite work for me. But I like it, but it's

2001
02:38:39.520 --> 02:38:43.520
not in the same context now,
so I don't really know how I would

2002
02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:46.760
have felt in the actual movie.
Watching it, I felt like it just

2003
02:38:46.879 --> 02:38:52.280
quite didn't click. But yeah,
the movie as a whole super fun I

2004
02:38:52.319 --> 02:38:56.200
will definitely be adding it to my
Thanksgiving rotation because it's one of the very

2005
02:38:56.239 --> 02:39:01.879
few Thanksgiving horror movies. Although Blood
one of the greatest Thanksgiving horror movies of

2006
02:39:01.879 --> 02:39:03.159
all time, it's gonna be hard
to top led Rage because it's one of

2007
02:39:03.200 --> 02:39:07.760
those movies that's so bad. It's
good by a large margin. We watched

2008
02:39:07.760 --> 02:39:11.319
it together a couple of years back. It's ridiculous. They say, that's

2009
02:39:11.319 --> 02:39:15.319
not Cranberry saw us four times in
that film. Yeah, they do.

2010
02:39:16.959 --> 02:39:20.399
And of course Home Sweet Home,
which features remember Body by Jake when we

2011
02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:24.639
were kids, that work out guy
on TV. I'm Body, but he

2012
02:39:24.719 --> 02:39:26.920
plays the killer in that. It
was before he founded that company. He

2013
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.799
was just an actor, so he
just plays this like maniac who's like running

2014
02:39:30.799 --> 02:39:35.440
around like screaming and drooling. I'm
not kidding. It's very It's almost like

2015
02:39:35.440 --> 02:39:37.879
they couldn't afford to put him in
a scary costumes. They were like,

2016
02:39:37.959 --> 02:39:41.120
just act really scary Jake, and
he was like got it, and he's

2017
02:39:41.319 --> 02:39:46.120
like he's just insane in it.
It's unbelievable. But yeah, so that's

2018
02:39:46.159 --> 02:39:50.040
Home Sweet Home, and then those
are kind of like the two old school

2019
02:39:50.360 --> 02:39:56.280
Thanksgiving horror films, so I think
Thanksgiving. I'm happy to have it.

2020
02:39:56.760 --> 02:40:00.799
But it wasn't my favorite. I
can't pretend it was like my absolute favorite.

2021
02:40:00.799 --> 02:40:01.799
But I had a great time.
Also didn't hurt that I saw it

2022
02:40:01.799 --> 02:40:07.520
in a packed theater and everybody was
down for the gross outs and stuff like.

2023
02:40:07.559 --> 02:40:11.040
We were all like cheering and good
w h stuff like that, so

2024
02:40:11.040 --> 02:40:13.520
that was really fun. The other
one I saw, which was a much

2025
02:40:13.559 --> 02:40:20.559
smaller indie film, was a little
movie called It's a Wonderful Knife. And

2026
02:40:20.600 --> 02:40:22.360
I know you and I both like
It's a Wonderful Life, right, like

2027
02:40:22.399 --> 02:40:26.440
we're both fans. I love It's
a Wonderful Life. Well, It's a

2028
02:40:26.479 --> 02:40:31.159
Wonderful Knife is about a young woman
who on Christmas Eve there's a murderer,

2029
02:40:31.239 --> 02:40:37.319
a person goes crazy killing people,
and she ends up killing that murderer and

2030
02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:41.559
to save her best friend. But
then the next Christmas, you know,

2031
02:40:41.639 --> 02:40:45.920
everything's different because that person who got
murdered turned out to be a pillar of

2032
02:40:45.959 --> 02:40:50.760
the community who was also killing people. So she goes off by herself as

2033
02:40:50.840 --> 02:40:54.200
Christmas isn't working out the way she
wanted, and she feels, you know,

2034
02:40:54.280 --> 02:40:58.319
abandoned and hopeless and she wishes she
was never born. Yeah, then

2035
02:40:58.360 --> 02:41:03.680
she finds town as if she'd never
been born, where the killer was never

2036
02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:07.040
caught, and now he's ruling over
the town and no one knows he's the

2037
02:41:07.120 --> 02:41:11.840
killer. It just so happens the
killer is conveniently killing people that would benefit

2038
02:41:11.920 --> 02:41:16.399
him, so now she has to
figure out how to save the day.

2039
02:41:16.920 --> 02:41:20.159
I really enjoyed it. I did
not expect it to be so much like

2040
02:41:20.200 --> 02:41:22.319
It's a Wonderful Life. I thought
it was mostly just a really clever title,

2041
02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:26.079
but they actually leaned into being a
horror movie It's a Wonderful Life.

2042
02:41:26.680 --> 02:41:30.479
I had a lot of fun.
Like I said, I'm not a big

2043
02:41:30.680 --> 02:41:33.520
movie reviewer. I like to talk
about what I like about movies and then

2044
02:41:33.559 --> 02:41:37.000
kind of move on. I liked
everything about it. There was one little

2045
02:41:37.280 --> 02:41:39.719
quibble with the ending. I thought
that they did something cheap with the ending

2046
02:41:39.760 --> 02:41:45.319
I didn't like, but otherwise I
loved it. So I really enjoyed it,

2047
02:41:45.360 --> 02:41:48.920
and I believe that one will be
on Shutter this holiday season, so

2048
02:41:48.159 --> 02:41:52.120
if you're a Shutter subscriber, you'll
get to watch It's a Wonderful Knife.

2049
02:41:52.120 --> 02:41:56.559
But I do recommend it. It
was really fun, great performances. Yeah,

2050
02:41:56.639 --> 02:42:01.879
really cool movie. The other thing
I did, and this is going

2051
02:42:01.879 --> 02:42:05.399
to shock you, Michelle, I'm
glad you're already sitting down. Oh okay.

2052
02:42:05.159 --> 02:42:09.319
I read a book over Thanksgiving.
No, and then I have to

2053
02:42:09.399 --> 02:42:18.639
stand up. I read a book
because it's been a very hard few weeks.

2054
02:42:20.600 --> 02:42:24.079
And I made a promise to Rachel
that I would focus on resting and

2055
02:42:24.200 --> 02:42:30.559
relaxing during the Thanksgiving holiday, which
is not easy for me. I'm addicted

2056
02:42:30.559 --> 02:42:35.079
to work and I'm addicted to worry. So you know, it happens.

2057
02:42:35.360 --> 02:42:41.680
So I bought a book on Kendall
called The Last ghost Master, which is

2058
02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:48.840
written by Douglas B. Hobart and
David E. Hobart, and it's about

2059
02:42:48.760 --> 02:42:54.920
a gentleman, Doug Hobart, the
writer who had the last spook show in

2060
02:42:54.959 --> 02:42:58.959
Ohio in the nineteen fifties. For
those who don't know, a spook show

2061
02:43:00.639 --> 02:43:05.719
at this era was a was a
horror themed performance, usually involving magic and

2062
02:43:05.760 --> 02:43:09.159
stunts and singing. You know.
It was like a variety show that would

2063
02:43:09.200 --> 02:43:11.920
be on either before or after a
horror film had shown late at night.

2064
02:43:13.280 --> 02:43:15.840
Okay, so they would pull the
screen up and they would do a show

2065
02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:18.639
on the stage and it would help
draw people in. It would make it

2066
02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:20.639
an event, like you'd be like, oh, you're not just going to

2067
02:43:20.680 --> 02:43:24.559
see Bela Lagosi's Dracula, You're gonna
see Dracula on stage, and you know

2068
02:43:24.600 --> 02:43:28.399
all this stuff. Well, Doug
was known for doing one of the most

2069
02:43:28.559 --> 02:43:35.559
terrifying stage shows in which Frankenstein and
the Wolfman would fight on stage and he

2070
02:43:35.719 --> 02:43:39.239
was doctor Trebo, which was just
Hobart spelled backwards, which I loved.

2071
02:43:41.079 --> 02:43:43.840
Doctor Trebo would fight the monster and
get thrown across the stage. He would

2072
02:43:43.879 --> 02:43:48.479
do these big stunts, elaborate makeups, all kinds of stuff. So the

2073
02:43:48.479 --> 02:43:54.639
book is about that three year span
that he had the show before cinemas changed

2074
02:43:54.680 --> 02:43:58.639
and they could no longer feature stage
shows because when when widescreen cinema actually got

2075
02:43:58.680 --> 02:44:03.520
interured us, it destroyed the stage
show because the screens had to be so

2076
02:44:03.600 --> 02:44:07.799
big they couldn't be lifted. Okay, yeah, they could just do it

2077
02:44:07.840 --> 02:44:11.680
in front of the screen. There
was most stages, there's no space,

2078
02:44:11.239 --> 02:44:16.079
okay. He also told stories about
going to some theaters where there's stages just

2079
02:44:16.200 --> 02:44:18.959
like had giant holes in them and
you just had to not step on the

2080
02:44:18.000 --> 02:44:22.680
holes because that's the way their stages
are, like tough crap. But this

2081
02:44:22.760 --> 02:44:28.719
is extra fascinating because he's from Middletown, Ohio, which is not even twenty

2082
02:44:28.760 --> 02:44:31.120
minutes from where I live in Ohio. And there are lots of parts where

2083
02:44:31.159 --> 02:44:35.799
he talks about, like getting on
Dayton stages and going to Dayton television stations.

2084
02:44:37.239 --> 02:44:43.760
But the most incredible part for me
is Doug Hobart is the uncle of

2085
02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:48.920
Barry Hobart, who was known as
Doctor Creep in Dayton, Ohio. He

2086
02:44:50.159 --> 02:44:54.440
was my childhood horror host and Creep
used to I became good friends with him

2087
02:44:54.440 --> 02:45:00.760
before he passed away, and Creep
always talked about his awesome uncle Doug,

2088
02:45:01.000 --> 02:45:03.120
who did the Spook Show and then
went on to be a movie special effects

2089
02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:07.559
man, and it just he was
an incredible person, cool, and I

2090
02:45:07.559 --> 02:45:11.920
had always heard about Doug. I
met Doug briefly at Barry's funeral. Doug,

2091
02:45:11.120 --> 02:45:15.760
because it's such a small world.
Doug is the adopted father of Fred

2092
02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:18.079
olll and Ray, who produced Boggy
Creek, the TV series that I directed.

2093
02:45:18.360 --> 02:45:22.079
Wow. But Barry used to always
say that there would be no Doctor

2094
02:45:22.120 --> 02:45:26.719
Creep without Doug, and then Doug
had a section in his book dedicated to

2095
02:45:26.760 --> 02:45:31.280
Barry, talking about how Barry became
the voice of Horror and Dayton and how

2096
02:45:31.319 --> 02:45:37.200
he took after his uncle who put
on goofy makeup and scared people. But

2097
02:45:37.319 --> 02:45:39.760
then it became I was like,
whoa. If Fredil and Ray hadn't met

2098
02:45:39.799 --> 02:45:43.360
Doug, he might not have had
the film career he had. And if

2099
02:45:43.360 --> 02:45:46.040
Doug hadn't been Barry's uncle, Barry
might not have been Doctor Creep. Doctor

2100
02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:50.159
Creep's television show was the first set
I ever put my feet on. Wow,

2101
02:45:50.399 --> 02:45:54.680
I may have never gotten into entertain
the entertainment business if it hadn't been

2102
02:45:54.680 --> 02:45:58.879
for Barry letting me work on his
show. The world is an interesting place.

2103
02:46:00.200 --> 02:46:03.680
Yeah. So I wanted to plug
that book because I think that it's

2104
02:46:03.680 --> 02:46:07.399
a wonderful read. It's very short. It's it's a short book called The

2105
02:46:07.479 --> 02:46:11.799
Last ghost Master. It just came
out on November fifteenth. I read it

2106
02:46:11.799 --> 02:46:16.319
on Kindle because it was such a
short book and really enjoyed it. And

2107
02:46:16.399 --> 02:46:20.120
if you are curious about the spook
shows, if you like fun show business

2108
02:46:20.399 --> 02:46:24.440
books, I think you should give
it a read. I think you'd really

2109
02:46:24.520 --> 02:46:28.319
enjoy it. Doug is still around. He's ninety six years old. Wow.

2110
02:46:28.239 --> 02:46:31.760
So I really enjoyed it and it
made my Thanksgiving nice. I literally

2111
02:46:31.840 --> 02:46:35.920
sat on the couch with a cigar
reading my kindle book and I had a

2112
02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:41.319
great time. You know, well
Rachel baked cakes or baked pies. Rather,

2113
02:46:41.120 --> 02:46:45.719
I sat there of reading a book
and going, Rachel, look at

2114
02:46:45.719 --> 02:46:48.440
this, because they're all kinds of
news clippings like I love the way they

2115
02:46:48.479 --> 02:46:52.239
advertised too, would be like at
the Tip Theater see Doctor Trebo and his

2116
02:46:52.360 --> 02:46:56.440
Chamber of Horrors. Ladies, bring
your boy, find out if he's a

2117
02:46:56.479 --> 02:47:00.920
man or a mouse, you know, Like it was all this that stuff

2118
02:47:00.959 --> 02:47:03.639
so much, you know. So
anyway, that was a really like a

2119
02:47:03.719 --> 02:47:09.639
highlight of my holiday was reading that
book. Cool and uh and accepting that

2120
02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:13.639
I like reading ebooks more than I
like reading paper books. Okay, a

2121
02:47:13.639 --> 02:47:18.559
lot of people would shame me over
that, but I'm admitting it. Well,

2122
02:47:18.959 --> 02:47:22.079
it's the convenient factor, Like I
can just put it on a on

2123
02:47:22.120 --> 02:47:26.479
my iPad thing for my lap and
just like press the button and it changes

2124
02:47:26.520 --> 02:47:31.159
pages. It's just comfortable. I
like it. I like owning paperback books

2125
02:47:31.159 --> 02:47:35.760
because I want to be cool.
But reading them is a little bit harder

2126
02:47:35.760 --> 02:47:37.239
for me. I feel like,
you can't get comfortable. How do you

2127
02:47:37.239 --> 02:47:43.799
get comfortable holding a paperback book?
You're insane? That is an insane thing

2128
02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:48.239
to say it. I don't understand
I do. I mean, I like,

2129
02:47:48.319 --> 02:47:50.799
I struggle to read sometimes, so
I've learned that I like to read

2130
02:47:50.799 --> 02:47:58.200
off the Kindle Reader more. That's
it. So before we get out of

2131
02:47:58.200 --> 02:48:03.479
here, Chell, you have some
interesting creepy reddits for us, Yeah,

2132
02:48:03.479 --> 02:48:07.159
there was. This was a kind
of a weird month for creepy reddits.

2133
02:48:07.200 --> 02:48:11.559
Weird good or weird bad or weird
Do you want to eat human flesh?

2134
02:48:11.639 --> 02:48:22.479
The third one? So so this
one I thought was pretty good. It

2135
02:48:22.559 --> 02:48:26.760
was on the there was it was
on ask Reddit. It was like it

2136
02:48:26.799 --> 02:48:31.399
was one of the responses to what's
the scariest one hundred percent true story you've

2137
02:48:31.399 --> 02:48:35.360
heard of? Okay, and it
ended up being just people talking about things

2138
02:48:35.360 --> 02:48:37.680
that they've gone through that were scary. So this was weird. So there

2139
02:48:37.719 --> 02:48:41.639
was this kid who's like seven,
I guess he was seven, and he

2140
02:48:43.959 --> 02:48:48.440
I guess he sometimes had uh sleep
rouses, and yes, one night he

2141
02:48:48.479 --> 02:48:52.760
woke up and there was this weird
like smoke monstery thing at the foot of

2142
02:48:52.799 --> 02:48:58.639
his bed, right, but he
got up, so he's like, oh,

2143
02:48:58.639 --> 02:49:01.959
I don't actually have sleep rows,
and so he's like running first,

2144
02:49:01.959 --> 02:49:03.959
so he like runs into the hallway
and he's upstairs, so that he runs

2145
02:49:05.040 --> 02:49:07.079
to like the landing on the stairs, and he looks down the stairs and

2146
02:49:07.120 --> 02:49:11.440
now there's another smoke monster coming up
the stairs. So he's like cornered,

2147
02:49:11.879 --> 02:49:16.159
and the one I guess from behind
him like tackles him. So he falls

2148
02:49:16.200 --> 02:49:22.319
like down onto the landing and he
screams for his mom. His mom runs

2149
02:49:22.319 --> 02:49:26.000
out, and he kind of like
blacks out for a second, but then

2150
02:49:26.479 --> 02:49:28.600
his mom like comes and like gets
puts him back in bed, and it's

2151
02:49:28.600 --> 02:49:35.159
like everything's good. And then the
next morning he he gets up in the

2152
02:49:35.200 --> 02:49:37.239
morning, I guess, and he
sees his mom and he apologizes. He's

2153
02:49:37.280 --> 02:49:39.879
like, I feel really like I'm
sorry, I like woke you up because

2154
02:49:39.920 --> 02:49:43.920
it was like really late. Oh
no, And his mom is like what,

2155
02:49:45.319 --> 02:49:50.239
oh no, And apparently she remembered
it, but it happened a week

2156
02:49:50.479 --> 02:49:56.200
earlier, and he has no memory. Yeah, he had no memory of

2157
02:49:56.200 --> 02:50:01.639
the entire last week and his but
like he went to school and he did

2158
02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:03.479
normal things and mom was like,
you were like a little bit quieter than

2159
02:50:03.600 --> 02:50:07.200
usual, But I thought like you
were just having a bad time at school,

2160
02:50:07.200 --> 02:50:11.200
because I guess like sometimes he did
so, but he has no memory

2161
02:50:11.200 --> 02:50:13.520
of that entire week. I mean, first of all, that would be

2162
02:50:13.559 --> 02:50:16.639
the most fun element of being a
parent would be lying to your children like

2163
02:50:16.680 --> 02:50:20.079
that, you know, just like
telling them when the time is and then

2164
02:50:20.200 --> 02:50:26.399
being like what you know that that's
that's a very particular type of parent.

2165
02:50:26.959 --> 02:50:30.159
You know, you think that you'd
know if you're a parent Hispanic parents,

2166
02:50:30.719 --> 02:50:35.600
Hispanic parent. No, I was
not but fine, but yes, no,

2167
02:50:35.600 --> 02:50:39.000
no, uh, that's terrifying.
I was not expecting the time twist

2168
02:50:39.040 --> 02:50:43.399
at all. Yeah, I mean
neither. So he still is like he's

2169
02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.920
like not a kid anymore, and
he's like, what happened during that week?

2170
02:50:48.520 --> 02:50:52.799
I would want to know too,
jeez. Yeah, I feel like

2171
02:50:52.840 --> 02:50:54.040
he just he just goes to sleep, wakes up. He's president of the

2172
02:50:54.120 --> 02:50:58.479
United States. Yeah, what happened
during that entire time? It's like nothing,

2173
02:50:58.559 --> 02:51:01.879
don't even It wasn't that big of
a deal. It was fine,

2174
02:51:01.920 --> 02:51:05.000
don't even don't even here. There
was a mad TV skit about a guy

2175
02:51:05.000 --> 02:51:07.360
who wakes up from a drunken stupor
and he's president of the United States now,

2176
02:51:07.719 --> 02:51:11.120
huh. And it turns out that
when he's drunk, he can just

2177
02:51:11.159 --> 02:51:16.079
solve all the world's problems by being
a drunk jerk, and the Secret Service

2178
02:51:16.120 --> 02:51:18.040
like tells him everything. He's like, well, what do I do now?

2179
02:51:18.079 --> 02:51:20.200
He's like, Sir, for the
entrance of the country and for the

2180
02:51:20.200 --> 02:51:24.040
interest of the nation, I'm going
to ask that you drink this bottle of

2181
02:51:24.079 --> 02:51:26.799
gin. He's like, what,
I can't just be He's like, Sir,

2182
02:51:28.319 --> 02:51:33.520
the nation needs you drunk and ready
to go. So it turns out

2183
02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:37.040
that he's like he's like, He's
like, but but what will happen?

2184
02:51:37.040 --> 02:51:39.840
He's like, Sir, I've had
this conversation with you at least forty times.

2185
02:51:41.680 --> 02:51:45.879
We're going to get you back to
being drunk and get this country on

2186
02:51:45.959 --> 02:51:54.319
track anyway. But yeah, so
uh, any other you have another one

2187
02:51:54.319 --> 02:51:56.000
for us before we take off?
That was the best one. So I'll

2188
02:51:56.040 --> 02:52:00.319
just tell you. You want to
leave on a high note. Yeah,

2189
02:52:00.040 --> 02:52:03.840
yeah, you just want to get
me into that kitchen. I see the

2190
02:52:03.840 --> 02:52:07.760
way you're looking for me. You're
making me nervous. So well, I

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thank everybody for hanging out with us
for this edition of Monthly Spooky. We

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will of course be back at the
end of December with another episode. And

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I want to remind everybody that in
December, this month, upcoming month,

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we're going to have tons of bonus
content. We're going to have bonus episodes

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of cutting deep into Horror. We're
gonna have bonus novella's, We're going to

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have bonus full audio books. David
Denoyer is gonna join me again to talk

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about the best horror films for Christmas
time. We're gonna have Cameron Cheney from

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Library macab back on to talk about
the best Christmas horror books to read.

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Lots of fun stuff coming up in
December. I really hope that we can

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accompany you through your holiday. I
know that for a lot of people,

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for most people, it's a very
hectic time of year. You're running around

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a lot. So I'm glad to
think I can put a little something fun

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in your ear if you need it. But now we're gonna get out of

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here. Thank you so much again
for listening to Monthly Spooky. Before we

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get out of here, I have
to say an extra special thank you to

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our pag Treon podcast boosters, folks
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course, you can sign up for
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If you want to join those those
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of every show I'm a little tired, you can go to Weeklyspooky dot com

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and click on Patreon. Also,
just go to Weekly Spooky dot com for

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everything you could ever need. But
anyway, I am. I really appreciate

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you guys being here with me.
Uh, Michelle, you can eat me

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if you really want. It's fine, I'm not gonna do it. What

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would would you put the carving knife
down? Then? Oh this is for

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something else? Oh okay, well
then I'm just gonna I'm just gonna turn

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my back right now. Okay,
we'll be back next month, or will we Maybe