Monthly Spooky | Body Parts for Sale, Unexplained Pasta, and JACK THE RIPPER

Human body parts for sale unexplained, large amounts of pasta in New Jersey, Jack the Ripper Stalks, London, And of course, for some reason, Michelle can't stop yawning. It's monthly spooky welcome, my friends. It's that time of a month again. Why did I do that last time? I did that? Yeah? But I am, of course Enrique Couteau here with my good friend Michelle. Michelle, how are you today? I don't know. I mean, you could say awful if you want. We're all we're all friends here, not good? Yeah? Is it because? Um? Is it because it's summer now and you hate the summer? I do hate the summer. Do you prefer the winter? No? I don't like any temperature. I don't like existence. I only like fall and spring. Oh you're one of those. You only like the moderate seasons. Yeah. I don't like when it's hot or cold or anything. What's your what's your ideal temperature? I don't know, like maybe maybe seventy okay, or in the in the sixties or something, oh so a little on the chili side, or like maybe in the eighties. I don't know. Okay, So, so what you're saying is you will not help me figure out what your favorite temperature is. I don't like when it's really cold or really hot, but I'm okay with the other things. Okay, but you consider like eighty not really hot. No, okay, okay, So what's really hot to you? Anything over like maybe eighty six, I would say, okay, So like body temperature once once it's as hot as it then it's too hot too much. Well, well, I'm sorry, I actually don't know what temperature it is right this second, but I think it's actually in your in your sweet spot in early seventies. So, but before we get into all of the many things we have to talk about on this edition of Monthly Spooky, which, by the way, this is the eleventh episode of Monthly Spooky. Wow. That means that next month's episode we will have been doing a year of Monthly Spooky episodes. Wow. Is that not exciting? That's yeah, I appreciate all the additional content you brought to that, but no, I'm excited about it because I remember when we first launched this show, I was a little nervous about the concept of talk on Weekly Spooky's feed, of doing like a conversational show. Obviously, I do talk on the other program, on the main program, because that would be weird if it was just that. Actually, I wonder if anybody has done that a podcast where it's like I sit silently in front of a microphone for thirty minutes. Maybe, I mean, you'd have to like breathe into it slightly. Otherwise you could just not record anything. I think you would whether you wanted to or not. If you were completely quiet, they would hear you breathe at least a little bit, you know, they would catch just a tad you know what I mean. Like I mean, it wouldn't be ASMR level, you know, it wouldn't be like that, But I feel like they would have to hear you breathe a little bit. If a microphone was pointed at your face just for thirty minutes, you would catch some things. You'd catch like a girl in your throat, nose, whistle. Did you just say yawn and it made you yawn? Okay? Okay, so now I know what kind of I know what kind of day it's gonna be. Um, are you yawning again? Now? Yeah? I can't anything about yawn, So I can't say the word yawn. Okay, I Finally, after over ten years of friendship, I finally found your one weakness. Are you yawning again? Yeah? Because I needed to? When I didn't after that was when I was a little boy. My stepdad used to joke that if you got interrupted in the middle of a yawn, you'd be stuck like with your mouth open, going like ah forever. That was like his joke, and he said he used to say, that's why Jim Carrey's the way he is. That was his joke. He was like, that's why he Spentura is the way he is. He somebody stuffed him in the middle of a yawn. I don't know. Yawn. No, it's too late, yawn. No, okay, I'll wait till later when you least expect it. You're yawning. No, I didn't yawn resisting a yawn. This is this is getting out of hand, very very quickly. Let's move on. How do you feel now, As I said, now we're eleven months of monthly spook You yawned again. No, I'm not. I'm trying not to just let yourself once go on. No, No, I don't have to anymore. I don't believe you. You've proven you can't be trusted. Okay, but okay, so um but yep, there there we go. Good good you needed that. Um but to to uh, I didn't really plan it this way, but after a year of monthly spook, nearly a year of monthly Spooky, UM, I'm getting ready to launch another bonus show on the weekly Spooky Feed. I don't know what how else to describe it. I call it a bonus show, but you know, just more programming on the feed. UM. And I was telling you about it. It's called, uh, this is the first time I've announced it's yet, but it's it's going to be called Scariest Movies Ever. And I'm gonna be It's gonna be me and Selease from Sweet and Spooky, which is uh, you know, we kind of a perfect fit there and we're go and she's a movie critic and we're going to talk about the scariest horror films of all time. That wasn't a yawn. I was burping. I'm pretty sure no. I was struggling not to burp into the microphone. Oh I I would admit if I was yawning, are you kidding? Because that would be ultimate content and be like, no, really but oh man, now I do. Hold on, now I actually do. Okay, you should too. Oh you know, it's weird that the yawn passes, you know, I mean, considering we're definitely in the same room together and you're not in Philadelphia and I'm in Ohio passing yawns around. But anyway, so yeah, so very soon I'll be launching a possibly monthly talk show about the scariest films of all time with Salisa's my co host, which I think is gonna be really cool because I wanted to find somebody who is a film reviewer because I'm not a film reviewer. I love to talk about movies, but I don't know. I don't sit and think about star ratings. I don't sit and think about that stuff. I'm more of an enthusiast. And that may be just a hoity toity way of not being of, you know, playing with words, but I consider myself an enthusiast and not a reviewer, So I don't know. Like I feel like, if you talk about cameras on YouTube but you don't really review them, you just say how much you liked it, then you're an enthusiast. I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm just being a hipster about it. Shut up. So but yeah, I'm looking forward to launching scariest movies ever. So keep an eye on the feed for that. If you enjoy the talk content that we've been doing over here, and speaking of which, also need to check out Michelle's podcast Michelle explains anime poorly on your favorite podcasting app. So now let's talk about something that really matters. It's been almost a year and I still haven't finished the crypt that we're recording in because I keep finding I just keep finding things I feel like I could improve. I've liked it every time, and then you always change it. Well it's not that I mean I change it a little bit, but it's more that I add to it. So I'm gonna be honest. I might have taken my anxiety medicine and sat up really late at night and made the decision to put fifteen stuffed parakeets all in a row in here. Yeah, I do kind of feel like it brings the room together. I just wish that they were in taxidermy, like, can you get right? Well, if if they're not taxidermy, then they'll rot and smell bad. That's I mean, that's true, so I have to have them tack you just you mean you don't want them to be dead. Yeah, I don't want them to be ever have been alive, or if they're alive, that would be cool. That would not be great for the sound of the show though. You don't think it would add something. People would be like, Oh, I like it very Caribbean nice, just birds squawking the whole time. Oh lord, no, I yeah, I don't know. Uh, I just thought they were cool. Um. I was told by the person I bought it from, bought them all from. I bought them all from one guy, which is worrisome, but I bought them all from one guy and he said they all died of natural causes. That's impressive. I mean, Oh, he's a liar though, Like I just want to point out, like he's a liar, okay, Like, like he shook my hand and he was like, hi, I'm Steven, and he literally was wearing a name tag that said Rick. Well, you know, sometimes people who work in like you know, like cafes or restaurants or whatever or places, they have a different name tag than their real name so that you can't find them if you. Oh, I always find them. Yeah, I mean it was not that hard. No, no, I mean well there were other things too, like he was just generally gaslighting me. Like he pulled up and he was like, do you like He was like, do you like my Rolls Royce? And it was just a ford Pinto. Oh oh. And but then he made me wonder like do I know what a Ford Pinto is? I don't know what one is. See it's working on you too, Yeah, damn Steve Rick to to hell, damn him to hell. So anyway, just try not to make eye contact with them, okay, with the with the stuff parakeets, Okay, okay, just try not to make stop looking at them. But but they're there, and words, I know you do. You're one of those people who believes that they're real for some reason. Yeah, because they talk to me. What do they tell you? I'm not supposed to tell you. Okay, well just between us, just between you and I. What do they tell you? They said not to tell you me specifically. Yeah, why the hell are the birds my enemy? Now? Could you tell me that they're not real? And now they're angry? I have never told you they're not real. I have simply pointed out that that birds are not real. I think that's the same thing. I feel like it's not okay, Now I really don't trust those fake asses birds. This is getting out of hand. Well, they don't like you, so that hurts so much more. It never stops hurting. So before we before we go to break and jump into the spooky news, what is the topic currently over at? Michelle explains the anime poorly because you you've covered chainsaw Man, you covered the Was it like a reboot of um of try gun um um try? Oh my god, I almost said the wrong thing. Try a gun stampede? Yeah, which is which is we don't really know what to call it. The first season was actually a prequel. Oh but but also like an alternate universe frequel, Like it doesn't totally line up, so like a like a requel. I don't know, I'm just making up words. Yeah, but so you cover that. But what are you covering right now? Uh? Ten Goku Diamachio is in height, So what's the show named ten Goku Diamachio And that's a anime? I would assume if you were if you're like, no, no, it's not No, and that's what Michelle's covering currently on her podcast. Michelle explains anime poorly. So if you're a podcast fan, or of course your podcast fan, if you're an anime fan, had two words to choose from and I chose the wrong one, you should definitely check out her podcast. And if you don't know what ten Gogu Diamachio is, but for some reason, you know it as Heavenly Delusion, which makes no sense because nobody is calling it that. That's what it is. So oh, you're very angry on that. Well, I don't understand why I even know that title when literally no streaming services calling it that. Who what? What? What's going on? So just try not to yawn. It's too late, it's over. Are you sure? I don't know? Okay, Well, we're gonna go to a quick word from our sponsors and then we'll be But you're yawning, man, I'm good. We'll be back with the spooky news. And we are back, and I think it's time for you did it last last month, you want to do it again. Oh, it's time for the spooky News. So this month, this story you actually sent me. Oh initially, well, you made me aware of it, and I wanted to talk about it because I know that you have feelings. Oh from NPR dot org. A massive dump of pasta in New Jersey sets off a fury of interest and also a fury. And uh, I know you've seen the photo of like hundreds of pounds of pasta. Yeah, photo, yeah, yeah, wow. I mean it looks like it's cooked pasta. It does. There's I mean, I'm sure the article is going to say what they think happened, and then I'm going to say that I don't think that that's true. Yeah, okay, good, exactly. Well, and so, and for the record, you're not from New Jersey. I mean you're from New Jersey, but you weren't born there. You were born in the Bronx, right, and then but then before you were a few years old, you were in Jersey. Well, I mean sort of. No, yes, I was in the Bronx for a little while, and then we moved to New Jersey, and then we moved to Florida, and then we moved to New Jersey again. Ah, so from de Bronx to New Jersey to Florida, Florida to back to New Jersey. But so you're kind of from New Jersey by way of the Bronx. Yeah, okay, So I just want to mention that as this article may make fun of New Jersey a lot, and then also me make fun of New Jersey a lot. Well, no, I mean, but I mean we can't compete with you. Anybody from New Jersey makes fun of New Jersey way better than somebody from the outside. So this article starts with sadly, it's not unusual for things to be dumped in New Jersey, but a recent case brought on This guy's clearly a Sopranos fan, but a recent case brought a new twist, hundreds of pounds of pasta left along a local brook and a mystery about who did it and why do Workers in old Bridge township found fifteen wheelbarrow loads of illegal quote of weight of quote illegal dumped pasta pasta along a creek in a residential neighborhood end quote. Old Bridge business business administrator Himanshu Shah told NPR the pasta came in a variety of shapes, from spaghetti to macaroni. Mounds of it sitting along a did bank of ire sick brook. Photos from the scenes set off a range of reactions from pasta puns to bafflement over who who would do such a thing and why. What was your first thought when you saw this, uh, this atrocity, like this war crime. Well, first, the first time I saw it, I think I was on Twitter. I just I looked at it real quick, and I was like, I don't know what that is. And then I just went about my day. And then I heard about it like on NPR, and then I saw it on Twitter again. But I think it I thought it was a prank. I thought I thought it was you mean a prank is in like a like a hoax. No, No, somebody did it on purpose. Because because by the time I actually was like, huh, this is something's going on, it had already been reported enough that I was like, I guess it's oh yeah. See the first time I saw it, the first photo that they showed of it, just like dumped along the bank, I just assumed it was photoshop. Yeah, And I didn't even see it. It was like, you know, a little thumbnail of it, and the article that says like hunt, you know, tons of pasta was dumped in New Jersey. I'm like, okay, whatever you say. AI generated image of that, but apparently it is real. And what blows my mind the most is it appears it was cooked. But let's read further and see if we can get to the bottom of this so um. But for residents like Nina Jack Jack Nowitz, Jacknowitz, there we go. I got it, Jack Nowitz, the noodles unexplained appearance was the last straw quote at this point, I do know who did it, she told NPR. Quote but this story is not about that. Oh oh, okay, what's it about? A local activist blames a missing town service for her It's not who dumped the pasta but why. While people fixate on the quote pasta gate aspect of the story, Jack Nowitz said, quote, the story really is about the fact that in Old Bridge we do not have bulk garbage pickup. Huh. It has been a point of contention for the entire time I've lived in this town twenty three years. M okay, so they don't have bulk garbage pickup? What how do you not have? What? So? I mean, I think I understand. I mean I have bulk garbage pickup in PA. Yeah, and my mom, who lives in New Jersey does too. But a lot of places in New Jersey that have um where you have like private um um garbage pick garbage people they have yeah, I know they You know, you have like a specific type of garbage can, and if you can fit things in that garbage can, you can't put on the street. Technically, you can provide for my place. I mean, you can provide your own garbage can, so you could technically get a really really big one. So with with this, with with the companies I'm familiar with in New Jersey, you have to use their garbage can and you can't have anything else because they have the truck. And the truck comes and it grabs it and lifts it up. Yeah, oh no, and it does do that. What they do here is we switched recently to a to a different one. We went from Waste Management, the like most famous brand to a different one, and it became substantially cheaper for the people to get it. But they provided the recycling the recycling container for free, but you have to either provide your own trash can or pay monthly for the trash can. But it's like four dollars okay um, which at first was annoying until I realized like how the garbage men just like break them. And I was like, you know, I don't want to own this. I want to know that if if it snaps in half, they're just gonna have to replace it. Yeah. So I'm okay with that, and it's very it's robust, but we do have bulk pick up. The funny thing is when they took over, they were like, we want to make this very clear. If you have anything large you want taken, you have to call a number and they'll tell you when it's appropriate to blah blah blah blah blah blah. I just put stuff on the curb and they always take it. Literally. I've never called ahead. Now, I haven't thrown away anything bigger than a small love seat, but they just take it. Wow. I mean that's really good. My experience with those type of garbage services is that like anything that's like not in a thing will not get taken. Oh, I've had They've been crummy before, though, Like the one time they just didn't pick up my side of the street, the entire row. Yeah, and I called them and they didn't have anything for me. So I tweeted them and that got it done in like an hour, Like, in an hour, all of our trash was taken up. The only thing that makes me sad is I wish my neighbors knew it was me. Yeah, because it had been two days that they hadn't picked up our trash. Wow, So it was like it was me, guys, it was me. But yeah, it's like when I lived. So when I lived in Jersey, I had an apartment, and we had a dumpster, of course, and that dumpster would be full most of the time, so you'd be lucky to get a couple of bags of garbage in there. Yeah, So whenever you were doing like major cleaning, it was a it was a giant pain in the butt, to the point where I would go across the street into the business park and just throw trash into all the dumpsters in the business park because there were a ton of them. Did they just not do regular trash pick up on that dumpster or what was going on? I think it was because that one dumpster was for like which wasn't that big, was for like six apartments. It just was always it was just like it was always nearly full. It just seemed like it was always nearly full. So you would struggle to like throw if you had to throw anything major away, there was no room for it in the dumpster. And when I say major, I mean like a like an old night stand, like a small one, or like a lamp. You know, you would be like we fit this in here, you know, nothing. Nothing I'm not talking about like, you know, a refrigerator or something. But yeah, So I ended up just walking across the street into the business park because they were literally like dumpsters every fifteen feet and I just opened it and be like, huh, this is mostly empty throw thing in. Oh. So I have a story I've told you the story I'm sure about ilegal dumping, about when my roommate and I we had so much stuff to throw away when I was leaving Jersey that we couldn't do it over there because we'd filled some We filled a couple of dumpsters in the business park and we were like, we can't keep doing this. This is not nice. So we got in a car full of the stuff we need to throw away and we got on a highway and just drove into Pennsylvania. And now it's not as bad as it sounds, because we didn't just like drive into Pennsylvania, had throw garbage on the highway, although we should have, but no, h But what we did was we once we got into PA, we just got on like a back road, like a backstate route, and we just drove until we found a big dump And what we ended up what happened was we found a Bennigan's restaurant. Yeah, that was under like it was being um rebuilt or something. They were like they were doing contract work to it, and it had one of those gargantuan contractor dumpsters. Yeah, And I mean, I don't think they ever noticed that we threw our trash in there because it was so big and so tall, so we just illegally dumped The statute of limitations is over from this. Also, uh, this is for entertainment purposes only. Um. But I just the funniest part about that whole thing was my roommate and I were so frustrated trying to find a place to throw the stuff away that like we were tossing, we had to throw stuff up in the air because the dumpster was so tall. So we're like throwing things up in the air and it's falling and we're hearing it like crash, and and I remember when like the last thing it went up. We just looked at each other and like shook hands, like and that's done. And then we drove back and got and got taco bell. Yeah, it was like and it was like one in the morning. I mean it was the middle of the night, and this Bennigans was like in the middle of nowhere. So I didn't feel bad that that contractor dumpster was barely was barely had barely anything in it any way. So I know you're like, I can't believe I work with a criminal. Yeah, I'm just thinking about those contractors going like, Wow, we just need to put this much more and we can't because somebody dumped all their stuff in here. Hey, Tom, who the hell's this microwave belonged to? Why is there a microwave in here? Exactly? Why is there an artificial tree in here? I did throw an artificial tree? Why, like like one for like in your house obviously, Like because yeah, I just was like, what am I gonna do with this thing? Through it? In anyway? Sorry that Do you have any funny stories about illegally dumping? No, do you have any any funny garbage stories? I mean, other than eating garbage, what other kind of funny garbage stories are there, Like, what do you want me to say? I never forget when you visited me one time and you're like, oh, maybe there's a chocolate dumpster. Yeah, okay, anyway, that was a long digression. I apologize, except I don't. When Jack Nowitz, an environmental activist and former township council candidate, posted images of the dumped pasta on Facebook a week ago, it's set off an uproar of interest and questions. She estimated the pasta to weigh three hundred or four hundred pounds. Yeah, it was a lot of pasta. Do you think she did this just to try to get elected? Do you think this was a campaign stunt? If it was, it's real weird. I mean, you're not wrong at all. It's incredibly strange. Quote. My initial reaction is exactly what yours was. Jack Nowitz told NPR. It was funny and humorous and mortifying. It's funny because it's pasta and not garbage. It's humorous because you could make a lot of jokes. And then I'm horrified because of course it is a potential contamination for the nearby stream and river. She didn't need to break it down, I understood, but props, I mean, I get. I mean it's food product, so it would decay, and so I could see why somebody would stupidly think, like, I'll just dump it in the woods, basically because it's like what if the animals eat it? Yeah, they love pasta, but I think, oh god, damn right they do. Have you ever seen a Squirrels are like basically Nature's Italians? Is that why they eat pizza all the time. Yes? See, I'm not the only one that believes that anymore. You have to join my subreddit then they'll be two. Okay. So there have been conflicting reports about whether the pasta was cooked and then dumped or if it was merely if it merely grew soft and limp from rainfall. That was actually what I was thinking, too, was that it may have just gotten you know, moist from being outside and wet. Because I don't know if people know this, but you can cook pasta and lukewarm water. It just takes a really long time. And by cook, I mean hydrate it. The reason we boil it has to hydrate it. Sorry, yeah, I used to do that when I was like really young. I thought it was cool. And you just take pasta and go into the bathroom and put it in a fowl and see how long it takes to hydrate or cook you. That was like how you had fun when I was like five. Yeah, okay, that's okay. Then I wish I had a smart ass remark for that. I got nothing. That's just okay okay. And then would you eat the pasta? Yeah, it's still a little bit crunchy. Yeah, I mean it was a little bit more than al dente. But you know, I got tired of waiting. You really, if only there was a faster Shaw says. The city believes quote several hundred pounds of uncooked pasta was taken out of its packaging and dumped on the ground. I don't think so, oh are you what do you have? You have your own theory. Well, I just from looking at the pictures of the pasta, it looks like it was wet when it was dumped. It doesn't look like it hydrated. And it's like all kind of neat. It's like all on top of each other, it's all doing its own thing. And I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not saying it couldn't change when it gets wet, but like it. To me, it looks like it was dumped. What okay, let's see quote. It looks like it was only there for a short time, but moisture did start to soften some of the pasta, he said. Two workers from the city's Public Works department were able to clean up the area in less than an hour. It's just wed pasta. I'm like, it's not that hard. I just imagine it's like, we gotta call in the big guns and these two like comically fat, like nineteen forties style fat dudes just walk in and put on bibbs with with lobsters on them. It's like one spoon, one fork. I've been watching a lot of Buster Keaton shorts. Do you ever watch Buster Keaton? No, that makes me sad. He's really good, all right, so one of the champions of the early cinema. Very funny. Okay, so uh yeah, So it took less than an hour to clean it up. I assume they just used shovels. I thought that they like put like a clear glove on and they just grabbed it and threw it in because it's it's pasta. I just it's yeah, they should have started a pasta stand like a lemonade stand. Pay eight cents a pound. Yeah, really well at that price, I don't even care where it came from. Jack Nowitz thanked the city's public works agency for the rapid response to what was dubbed quote mission impastable, saying you're not even gonna give that a pity laugh, are you? No? Wow, saying that when the crew removed the pasta, they also cleaned out all the garbage tossed in the basin, so they didn't even just clean up the pasta, They cleaned up litter too, all in like an hour. That's pretty good. That is good. But she also urged the township's leaders to start offering public trash services. The government's website says residents can contract with private trash companies, noting that quote old Bridge does not provide sanitation services for household solid waste or bulk items. Yeah, those private firms often charge hundreds of dollars to remove large items like couches and mattresses, jack Nowitz said, And the township doesn't have a dump. That's interesting. I had to call a place to get rid of a dresser at my apartment in Jersey and there was a there was this place that said, like, we match all competitors quotes. So I called a local guy and he was like, oh, come and get it for seventy bucks. I was like literally a half a mile down the road from his storefront, and he was like, I'll come down to do for seventy bucks. So I called the like like the junk company, like the national one, and I said, like, they told me seventy bucks as well, I mean, if that's the price they quoted yet, and then he just hung up. I was like, Ah, Jersey special kind of joy in New Jersey. Quote, some people take to throwing their trash and remote parts of the town. She said, my neighborhood happens to be a pretty remote neighborhood, so it's a common place for dumping. As for the other part of the mystery, the who, local media out let's cite neighbors who believe the pasta came from a house that recently cleared out ahead of being put on the market. A man's mother had died, the report state, leaving her son to clear out pasta from her pantry. The city says the police department is looking into who is responsible for the pasta dump. Why would his mother have that much pasta? Well, I we already like I don't remember because I was talking to my mom about this, so we figured out how many boxes of pasta that would need to be. It was too many boxes of pasta for that for that to make sense. Yeah, and like I'm sorry, neighbor said this guy might have done this, Like no, and that's the when when like a couple of days like after this had happened, that's what everyone was saying. It's like, oh, we figured it, we found out they said it was this guy. It's like it's hearsay, like we don't know, and I don't think so I still think it was a prank, a prank. Yeah see, I just assumed it was a restaurant had done it. I saw a couple of people like on Twitter say that they thought it was like a restaurant or like, um, like a venue that has like catering. That makes sense. So your theory is it was a prank. Yeah, okay, so like so like some kids, yea, I bought a bunch of pasta and cooked it and then they just dumped it around. I'm sorry, it's on it's in like little piles. It just looks like someone did it on purpose to me, Well, they did do it. I mean, it's not like nobody said that. The theory was a truck was driving by and hit a bump and lost a bunch of pasta. I mean that could have happened. Yeah, I could have fallen off a truck. Eh. Yeah, yeah, fell off a truck. Yeah, that's a good pasta went there. I'm surprised you didn't make the trip. I feel like, well, I guess it was cleaned up by the time you heard about it. Yeah, because, I mean that's enough pasta to make up for the trip and the tolls. I mean definitely. I don't really like cooked already cooked pasta though, because like can reheat it, but it's really never the same. Again. Wow, so it's pretty judgmental. Yeah. Well, I am glad that I finally got a piece of spooky news that you had passion about, Like you're very passionate about this and the woman living in a cave, which you want to do that too. Yeah, Well, do you have anything else you want to get across to people who need to know more about this pasta mystery? Um? I mean not really like just if you have pasta and you are cleaning out your mom's house that's full of thousands or hundreds of boxes of pasta, is give it to me, Yeah, I have it. It would have to be. So if the pasta uncooked, the pasta may have been half the weight, So it might have been like one hundred pounds of pasta. Yeah, and then once it's cooked or full of moisture or whatever, it would double its weight. That's still an incredible amount of pasta. It is. It is. And also why, like, if you're just gonna be a I mean, I guess, I mean, if you're just gonna be a prick and dump it, why not just dump it in the boxes? Fuck it? Like yeah, why why do you? I guess you're like, oh, it'll break down easier if it doesn't have the boxes, which I mean it would. It sounds to me like this area was a lot of other things were dumped too, and the pasta is just the most incredibly hilarious. Yeah. So all right, well we're gonna move on to another story, but first we need to take a quick break and hear a word from our sponsors, and hopefully one of them is Billa Pasta we have returned with more spooky news now with less carbs and this story ll do you want to guess where it's from? Um, Mirror dot co dot uk. Indeed, I need to make a like a music stinger. Yeah. Mirror dot co dot uk the place for all stories about ghosts for some reason. Yeah, they published like ten stories about ghosts a week. But this is from Mirror dot co dot uk. Inside story of the road Ghosts, phantom hitchhiker and where in the United Kingdom it haunts. Oh, a phantom road ghost is reportedly haunting a quiet stretch of road in northwest England. The ghostly hitchhiker was claimed to be in his mid thirties with slight facial hair and dark eyes. I'm guessing slight facial hair means like stubble. Yeah, that's how they say it in England. I mean I feel like I understand that. Oh, I mean I understand it. It's just it's just, you know, like I feel it's so weird. It's like we call those sandals and they're like, oh, we call them bipity buppity booze. Yeah. Um. According to paranormal paranormal expert and Liverpool and sorry I got confused Liverpool John Moore Unmore's University, visiting Professor doctor Rob Gandy. Sorry, there were a lot of names in there, and I thought that it was miswritten because mere dot cotat UK has really bad grammar. Love you don't ever go on a business I need your content. So have you ever heard stories of ghost hitch hikers or anything like that, or like haunted stretches of road or everything like that? Yeah? Was there one near you when you were growing up or wherever you lived? No? Was it that you were the only person who lived in New Jersey and there was just nothing paranormal about it because because there was nothing, because it was a field. And then they made some houses there. I don't know. Are you sure that wasn't like an ancient Indian burial ground and they moved the headstones but left the bodies. I mean a lot of things are that apparently? So fair enough? Fair enough? Well, I we So where I live, there are farm roads, like, lots of farm roads. In fact, the most farm roads are in Farmersville. WHOA, yeah, yeah, my mom grew up in Farmersville, so I'm very familiar with Farmersville. And there are lots of windy roads with just like corn on either side or soybeans on either side of you, and it seems like every single one of them has some story about like a ghost car or a ghost hitchhiker. Okay, so it makes me wonder though, with how proliferated those stories are. Has anyone does anyone ever pick up a hitchhiker in the middle of the night anymore, especially if it's like a woman in a white dress. I mean, yeah, because that they look not threatening. So that's the problem. Yeah, they look not threatening, and that's why all the stories are about women in white dresses or like, like, what was it the one where it's like the one in the white dress and she's holding like a baby all wrapped up in a blanket and then eventually the baby's dead or the baby's like a skeleton or something. Oh oh yeah, there's good stuff like that. It's good stuff. I love that stupid folklore stuff where it's like that's stupid. It sounds like a seventh grader made it up, and I'm like, yeah, I love that. I want to hear more. Meeting these types of haunting figures are one of the most terrifying experiences for witnesses, as they tend to be overwhelmingly real. He said, that's a weird way to put it. Doctor Gandy was documenting unexplained encounters on UK roads and cited a particularly harrowing tale from nineteen eighty three ooh. At the time, a driver known only as mister M was heading along a coastal road between Ainsdale and Southport and Merseyside. It's an open stretch of road that's almost entirely straight for two point six miles, with high hills on either side. Mister M spotted a lone man walking by himself. Okay, good, it would be weird of his A lone man walking with like ten other people. Yeah, a lone man walking with a group of people by himself along the coastal road during the dark and stormy night. He pulled over and offered the man a lift to get him out of the heavy rain, an offer that was accepted. Doctor Gandy told the Liverpool Echo quote, although his behavior was normal and calm, he had a troubled expression, which mister M put down to him being out in such bad weather. The hitchhiker had a quote local Southport accent and took a seat next to mister M in the car. The man suddenly asked if his girlfriend could join him, despite nobody else seemingly around. I want to point out, usually it's the opposite, you know, if it's if it's a scammer, whatever, it's a woman by herself, like trying to get a ride, and then the moment you pull over, like the boyfriend comes out too yee, and hopefully it's not my boyfriend's gonna rob you now. Yeah, usually that's what it is, though it usually is. Yeah, my favorite on like when I play Red Dead Redemption, when you're just like riding along a horse a horse trail and then like a woman's like please stop at help. I'm like, nope, nice try lady, and she's like I'm gonna die out here, like probably, and I just keep riding. Yeah, it's not up to you. Nope, it's up it's between you and rock star God. Yeah. Um, mister M agreed, and the hitchhiker hopped out of the car and walked around toward the boot. Is what's a boot? I think maybe they mean like the back of the car. Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's totally the boot where he mysteriously appeared. That's not that's a very anticlonactic story. He didn't turn to him and go like, what a nice night for me to die again? You know, no, no, no, okay, doctor Gandy said. Quote. It took about twenty seconds for mister m to realize that the man had completely disappeared and that there was no sign of any girlfriend. Well, she lives in Canada and you don't know her. She goes to different school. Yeah, that's that's all. Yeah, you just don't know her. It's fine, shut up. Quote. The road at that point was edged with high sandhills and there was quite simply nowhere the man could have gone. Did he check under the car? Oh? Probably not, because it can get there. He's probably under the car. Yeah, you ruined it. I hate your analytical mind. You're my spock, you know, or my data and star Trek. There have been a number of similar reports across the country, added the paranormal expert, but this case made it straight into his top six scariest road ghost encounters he's ever come across. Wow, that's not much of a bar. Huh Yeah, I mean yeah, that's yeah. Wow, Like I feel like if you told him the story of Layarona. He would just like literally like crap his and everyone else's pants in the room. Yeah. So, and that was the whole story. Good Old Mirror dot co dot UK. It's like, look, we need five hundred words about ghosts. Go It's like it's like, hey, but you're not even paying me in They're like, look, do you want to see your family again or not? But now we've got something a little bit different this one. I actually was not looking for this story. This story found me, and I wanted to bring it up because two reasons. One, it was just I rarely run into a story and go, oh, that should definitely be on mom Lee spooky. I usually have to seek them. But two, I saved the article link and then when I went to go back two weeks later, it was gone and I had to go on Google and search the keywords to find someone else who wrote about it. Oh wow, And that made me wonder, what are they hiding? Yeah, but this story is from I've never heard of this news source, but it was the only one that still had it. K sent tv or kcntv dot com. We cacntv dot com. It looks like they're an NBC affiliate. Mysterious death and mutilation of cattle under investigation in Madison County, Texas. Yeah, it's been a long time since I heard a story about cattle mutilation. So yeah, Madison County Sheriff's office are investigating the death end mutilation of cattle along Texas OSR. I'm guessing that's a road Madison County, Texas. Reports say Madison County ranchers have been reporting the mysterious death of several cattle found in the same condition, decaying untouched for weeks. What that actually is weird if they're if they're untouched, like nothing is even eating them, that it would be weird. I mean that that would be amenably that they were somewhere else and then they were dumped there because it makes sense. Cows are only like seven hundred pounds. Oh so so it makes um more sense that just nothing eats them. Now, Oh, I thought you're gonna like, so it makes more sense to do it with pasta And that's what I thought you were going to say. You're sorry, No, I don't know. We definitely have a lot more information here. Madison County Sheriff's Office were called to the scene of a six year old Longhorn cross cow found lying on her side, deceased and mutily it on a ranch. Oh okay. Quote, A straight, clean cut with apparent precision had been made to the to remote to remove the hide. It says remote the hide remove the hide around the cow's mouth on one side, leaving the meat under the removed hide untouched. Officers said the tongue quote. The tongue was also completely removed from the body with no blood spill. This is a big element of like classic cattle mutilations, is that there's no blood on the scene. Yeah, and that's really strange. I'm sure no. But did you have any cattle mutilations around where you were when you were a kid or anything. No, we really didn't even have cows. But we did have one cow that was Elsie, but it was dead for a long time. It wasn't alive when I was alive. Oh, I'm sorry, that's okay. I guess rest in peace. Elsie. The most racist name for a cow there is. Well, do you know how much a beef cow costs to own? I mean, how much it costs to buy one? Um? What the hell? That's exactly right. Literally, the information that's twenty five hundred and three thousand dollars. Like, like, what that shell? I can't stay I would I didn't like. Look, I didn't think you looked. I'm just saying like I hate you. I just thought that that sound about right. But and it does. And that's one of the reasons it's such a big deal when cattle turn up missing or mutilated. Is it's a hot it's a big investment for the cattle farmers. Yeah, you know, each cow is expensive. Um, the mysterious. The mystery continues with the reports of no signs of struggle and the grass around the cow seemingly undisturbed, with no footprints or tire tracks noted in the area. Ranchers told officials that no predators or birds would scavenge the remains of the cow, leaving it to decay for weeks untouched. I was right, that is super weird. Yeah, that's really weird. Great a beef just sitting there and no animals want it. I assume something was done to it to make it totally unappetizing by aliens. I mean, how else would you get it there with no one, no tire tracks, and no footprints, even though footprints would have gone away after like a month, but still, what if it was ghost aliens? Aliens came to this planet and then died, but had unfinished business against cows. Oh my god, we figured it out and then they abducted the cows as ghosts. As ghosts, yeah, with their ghost chip. Okay, a ghost chip. Oh man, I have like the math numbers flying by my ranchers told it. Oh sorry. Officials say this comes after five similar occurrences involving reports of four adult cows and one yearling found in the same condition along the area of OSR running into Brazos and Robertson County, respectively. Oh Brazos. Yeah, one time I woke up and I was I was still basically asleep, and Rachel was trying to wake me up, and she said, I don't remember this. She said that I rolled over and like with my eyes closed, I said Brazos and she was like what And I was Brazos and she was like, what are you talking about? And apparently she says, this is what I said. She says, I said, it reminds me of Tajas, like I said, didn't say, and I like, I throw Spanish around a bit, but like I don't say Tajos. I say Texas because I live in America and it's Texas. But apparently I said it reminds me of Tajas to her, and she never let me forget. She was a Guy's the weirdest thing. It's pretty weird. Super Brazos reminds me of Tahos. I've never even been to Texas. I have not. No, you've been to Texas. Yeah, lucky, It's it's totally fine there. I want to go to Texas. Yeah, actually, I really do. I've kind of started making friends in Austin. I kind of want to go and see them. But yeah, that's like the place where everybody is now because it's gentrified to hell. Yeah, exactly. The incidents all occurred in different locations pastures and herds. Quote. The cause of death of all six cows remains unknown. Officers said. Multiple similar instances have been reported across the United States, and we are actively coordinating with other agencies to find answers. People with information regarding the cases are encouraged to contact Madison County Sheriff's office and then it gives the phone number. So cattle mutilations are really like I've always been fascinated by them, and now I kind of wish that was the topic of this episode. Sorry, but it's not. It's Jack the Ripper. Um I didn't tell you yet. I like to make you surprised. Uh. But cattle mutilations a really interesting thing too, because killing a cow is hard. I mean, cows are big and strong. They're just one giant muscle. Yeah, like people don't realize, like until you stand next to a cow, you don't realize how huge they are. They're big. Yeah, kind of like horses too. Horses are just really really big. In fact, I was at a horse ranch a week or so ago and I mentioned to my friend. I was like, I'm afraid of horses and he was like really, and I was like, well, not like a horse, but like they're huge. Yeah, I'm not comforted by a horse. Yeah, I'm like, man, if that thing wants to it could really mess me up. Cows too, yeah, especially bulls. So and these were it appears these were beef cows, so that means they're they're big, they're hefty, and it's like, I mean, my only guess would be kids, you know, teenagers or something like, couldn't find any pasta to dump somewhere. So they decided to steal pieces of a cow. I mean, I'm with you, except that that how did any of it If there's not any blood on the scene, that means the cow was moved or they removed the blood on the scene first. How I don't know. I mean, I guess they could be like they could put down a tarp and they could be like, Okay, come on a tarp, we gotta kill you, and the cow be like, oh yeah. How they usually respond kill. The other thing is like, do you have a lot of like vultures in your area? We have, like we have tons of turkey vultures and black vultures here. Um yeah, I mean not here. I think I'm just too close to Philly. Yeah, but in the general sure that stop them. There's an awful lot of death in Philly. You think that they'd like to like hum and they like beyond people all time trying to eat them. But no, Well, that's kind of my point is here we have such a large amount of vultures it feels like they aren't even they're not even patientough to wait till things are dead. They'll like fly around places and swarm just like hoping, like because there was that one time the graveyard by me was completely full of vultures and I took all those photos, remember, Yeah, and it looks like what that was is that was some kind of a natural gas leak and the smell smelled like rotting flesh. Yeah. They they're really good at pinpointing gas leaks. Yeah. Yeah, And that would make sense because it's like it's a small cemetery right next to a elementary school and a church and then a bunch of houses on the other side, so it makes sense there would be you know, piping and stuff nearby. But my point is like vultures, you know, they're not picky, and they're not I mean, they're smart in the way that they're so stupid. Like they they literally stood around because they were like I smell death. They never found any death, but they just hung around because like, but the smell is here. So I'm just saying, like, what would make them not eat the cows? That's the thing that freaks me out the most. Yeah. Um. Also, I learned that vultures have like evolved from like four three or four different types of They have like four or three or four evolutionary chains, like that's the endpoint of birds. When birds keep evolving, they eventually become vultures. That they're so cool. I love that it's cool. Well, and it's because it's a lot less risky than being a bird of prey. To be a vulture you just eat thinks because a lot of mammals become scavengers too. Scavengers are they benefit from the riskier the risk taking animals like that kill things and don't eat all of it. M But I mean they have to. They have to evolve enough that they don't get sick from eating stuff that's you know, going bad. No. Absolutely, they have to evolve to the point where they they want to eat rotten flesh. Yeah, no, I think that is really fascinating. Actually I didn't know that. Yay, same thing with crabs. Crabs have like five like evolutionary chains, like things just become crabs or there you get down and we don't know why. This sounds like your personal conspiracy theory. I wish it was. Have you ever have you ever seen Leon the Lobster on YouTube? Oh am aquarium enthusiast went to a grocery store and bought a lobster that you you know, for boiling, and put it in a nice aquarium tank and fed it and it lived and it completely recovered and now it is like very very very healthy and it keeps it's molting regularly and it's really fun. Yeah, watch it live and thrive. Yea. But what it proved to me was because the guy was like, he was like, honestly, I was kind of afraid, like he was going to die in like a week because he was so sick and whatever. The reason we transport lobsters and sometimes crabs alive is that they're just so they're so good at surviving. It's like why not, I mean, they won't they won't die so like that easily, so they'll just be fresher that way. So that that was vaguely related to your point about how everything wants to be crabs. Yeah, do you want to be a crab? No, but a vulture, So it's okay, you want to be a vulture but not a crab. Yeah, I don't know I feel about that. They both crabs for the most part, eat trash on the ocean floor too. Yeah, I guess they're also scavenger animals. Yeah, I mean I think they eat living things too, but they all mostly they eat leftover pieces that fall to the ocean floor because anything that lives on the ocean floor mostly doesn't hunt because you know, that's just where stuff falls. Yeah, I am a genius. Everybody should go check out Leon the Lobster on YouTube. Though it's really wholesome content. It's so nice, like the guy really cares about the lobster. He bought him an even bigger tank. Good because he's gonna need it. Yeah yeah, and then he like put other fish in the tank and then realized that it made Leon upset, so he took the fish out. It was really it was really cool. He knows that he's going to grow forever, right Oh yeah, Well they don't grow forever. Eventually they die but from because they can't uh grow up because they grow too fast or something o thet Yeah that's what it is. Yeah. Oh and they they showed it molting. By the way they showed Leon molting, it's fascinating to watch, I would think. So they like split, They like split right at the tail and then like spin and jerk their way out of their old skin. It's really cool to watch. Cool. I man I am in such a tangent mode today, but you know what, it's your own fault for listening. So we're gonna We're gonna go to a quick break. We have a few more bits of spooky news to get to, and then we're going to talk about Jack zerripar after this. And now that we've returned after a very long off Mike conversation about seafood that I subjected Michelle too. I know, I know the listeners are like, why didn't we get to hear about the seafood. It wasn't a spooky seafood story. So um, we have a story that actually makes me cringe and makes me nervous. And I'm going to, uh, I'm gonna show this to you, Michelle while I read it. Okay, this is from Huffington or HuffPost dot com to post. Mom sees something strange in her toddler's ear and makes shocking discovery quote It seriously looked like she had shoved some food in her ear, Jessica Deloch, excuse me. Jess told people about the incident, people like magazine, not like just Whoever, which she documented on TikTok because, as you know, eighty percent of news reporting is just reporting TikTok's now. Yeah, yeah, I wish that was I wish I was being funny, that's true. I can't tell you how many times I go on like Google News and it's just somebody reporting about TikTok. So and Arkansas family is no longer ticked off after going through a truly eerie experience. Well I know exactly what this is now, thanks, Yeah, the pun kind of ruined it, Yeah, sad. Jessica Deloche Deloche is going viral for a TikTok video that details how she noted something in her two year old daughter's ear while giving her a bath last month. Quote. It seriously looked like she subs shoved some food and near ear. Deloch contacted her daughter's pediatrician, who suggested bringing the child in for an exam. I do want to mention I told you this off show. I bought an endoscope so that I could look inside my ears. Yeah. I still haven't decided if that was the worst decision I've ever made or the best decision I've ever made. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. I don't want to know. My ear drums are very healthy, looking good, and I and only I've only used it like three times. I use it like once a month. I'll just make sure I've gotten all the gunk out. I've only had to like actually fish out like some nastiness like twice. Okay, and it didn't have to do it. It was very minor. But it's like you see it and you're like, oh, I may as well just get that out. I guess. Yeah. So anyway, I don't want to talk about anymore because he is really ross, all right, and this story is really ross. Quote. The removal process was very traumatizing, as you have to hold the child still to remove items safely. She said. A two year old just doesn't understand what the doctor is trying to do. That's why you teach them with cruelty. Yeah, this doctor is going to hurt you, and they're bigger than you, so take it. That's what you say. I am. I'm a phenomenal parent. I have no children, but I'm a phenomenal parent. The doctor eventually discovered two ticks and the girl too in the girl's ear, which surprised Deloch. It should surprise you if they look, they're like, oh, there's two ticks and ears, Like oh, yeah, I put them there. Yeah, that's fine. I thought that's fine, totally normal. I have three in mine right now. I'm an adult. Quote. I had no idea it was a tick until the doctor started removing it from her ear, she said on her TikTok. Deloch said her daughter had been outside while she was doing yardwork the day before. Are you looking at the Look at that congress? That is it's pretty rose. Yeah, yeah, look at that quote. I'm just glad she didn't have any after effects. Deloche told people about her daughter. She made the video to raise awareness about ticks to other parents before summer tick season really begins. Quote. Other parents have told me about similar experiences, even ticks crawling onto their child off of their dog. I've learned it happens more than I could have ever imagined, she says. She said parents have reason to be concerned. Lime disease, a tickborn illness, is on the rise, as well as baby baby babysosis, baby oosis. I don't know, it looks like that sounds like an illness I have because I'm a babe, A disease that can cause flu like symptoms or more severe illness. To avoid ticks, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention recommends avoiding wooded and brushy areas with high grass when possible, and thoroughly checking clathing gear and pets after time outside. Yeah, I spent a lot of time at a ranch that a friend of mine owns, and my girlfriend went there last week and found a tick on her And but we used to hang out there all the time and never get ticks. Maybe you just lucked out or didn't find them. We lucked out, and no, I looked we lucked out, but also we lucked out. But also I wear like all the deet, give me every deet, I will wear all the deep so that helps too. I'll never forget the awkward moment when I was working on a movie once and an actress that I had met like three days earlier was just kind of like, hey, do you want to be tick tick friends and just like check each other for ticks? And I was like sure because we just got along well, so she was like I'd rather be you. So we were. I mean, we didn't like strip naked or anything, because it's like, but we just checked, like areas that are hard to see yourself, you're back under your arms, back your neck stuff like that. Um, that's nice, and then we were married four years later. No, that's not true. Yeah, so anyway, that's just food for thought and talk about a tick talk. I don't know. Yawning. No, too late done, I'm watching you yawning. No, stop it. I'm I'm surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't talk about um because they mentioned limes disease and bibiosis, I guess, but they didn't talk about the other stuff that's happening with like alpha gel syndrome where you get bitten by whatever that tick is. There's a couple of ticks and then you can't tolerate meat anymore. Oh, that's the thing that's happening. Huh, Nick, you get allergic to red meat. Man, that would be really good for me. Maybe I should get that. Okay, I'd lose weight, my blood pressure would go down. Yeah, yeah, this all sounds great. Okay, we'll find you one of those ticks. I actually so, I'm actually terrified of tick and flee season right now because both of my dogs have had health problems, so I haven't been able to treat them regularly. I need to call the vet and be like can I start treating them? The answer is probably yes, but I'm just terrified. I'm just terrified because Chicano had cancer and Henwolf has a heart rhythmia. So I'm like, they're both things you don't want to mess with. Chicano, like, he's not on any medicine right now, so he'd probably be absolutely fine. Yeah, but hen Wolf is going to be on heart rhythmia medicine for her entire life now, So I bet you could still do it, you know. Yeah, No, I'm just I just get paranoid. And I'm also afraid they'll get like hookworm and stuff. So it's like I want to give them all of their treatments. So um, it's easy to like skip it in the winter because for the most part, that stuff just isn't out there in the winter. Yeah, but yeah, now it's like, yeah, yeah, I get paranoid. Okay, So this one is from Shell's favorite source, NPR Arkansas Woman pleads not guilty. Now, I think you're gonna like this one. Shell. I like how I said Aran woman pleads not guilty, and then I stopped. I think you're gonna like this one, Shell, because this is about a strong, independent woman who's an entrepreneur? WHOA And I think that that's important as you are a strong, independent woman entrepreneur. You have a you have a home inspection business. I guess, no, you absolutely do. What what do you mean you guess? Oh? Okay, So, but this is gonna this is showing you how good people like, how strong the side hustle is. Arkansas woman pleads not guilty to selling over twenty boxes of stolen human body parts. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. What I want to know is like, it's it's it's I like that, it's a double crime. It's like, you can't steal, you can't sell human body parts, and you stole them. They weren't even yours. Maybe they were gifted to her, but that person stole them. Oh well, I feel like that wouldn't be the same, but maybe it would. I don't. This is tough. This is why I stopped being a lawyer. No. An Arkansas woman has pleaded not guilty to charges she stole body parts from medical school cadavers and sold them through Facebook for eleven thousand dollars. Of course it was Facebook marketplace. Of course it was I'd like to police. No, no. Oh, I'd like to think that she was like super frustrated by like people saying like, hey, do you still have that forearm available? I do? And then they block you yeah, or they like they want to know something that doesn't make sense, like you like, oh, I'll ship it you and they're like where are you locating? It's like, what what does it matter? I said, I'm going to ship it to you? Yeah, but where do you live? Yes? Do you live alone with their stolen body parts? Like? Are you ever truly alone when you live with body parts? Yeah? Candice Chapman Scott, a thirty six year old former mortuary services worker, is accused of selling twenty boxes of everything from human skin to skulls to a man in Pennsylvania. What you can just kill people here? Why you gotta get a secondhand? Yeah, Philadelphia, it's not even it's not even a misdemeanor anymore. Yeah, like you you'll get a ticket, but you don't even have to pay it, Like it's fine. According to a federal grand jury indictment unsealed by Little Rock Court on Friday, Scott was charged with twelve counts of mail fraud. Why are fraud? That's how are they're going to get her is with the mail fraud and wire fraud? Like, sorry, I'm sorry, it's just hilarious. This is so morbid. But the charges are mail fraud, wire fraud, and interstate transportation of stolen property. Nothing about like crimes against humanity or something. Yes, it's not like the body parts were already being used for science, so it's not like she stole them from a person who didn't expect that that was going to happen. So hey, where'd my arm go? What the hell? A lawyer representing her did not immediately return a phone call from NPR requesting comment, because their body parts were being sold on added I added a part to that. You have to guess which part. According to court documents, Scott worked for a company that offered commercial cremation services. One of their clients was an anatomy lab at the University of Arkansas, which used donated cadavers for medical education and research. This was the first story I've ever heard of something like this, But it but like, I all my love in the world to the mortuary services people. But man, there are some bad actors in the mortuary services realm. Yeah, I remember when they busted that one dude who was just like giving people whatever ashes. He was just like cremating and just giving you whatever ashes from whoever. It all looks the same. There's no way they can prove it. And then well there's this thing called DNA non up. But they were finding like body parts and just like bodies discarded and like shallow graves and stuff, and it's like, I know they're dead, but you're being paid a premium to treat those bodies with respect and dignity. Yeah, that's why they're paying you so much, not paying you so much, just you know, because they don't want to deal with meat that used to be their loved one. That's what they're paying for. And whether whether that is silly, superstition or or respectable that is not a that doesn't matter. That's not the moral question. The moral question is why did they pay you like four grand if you were to just like disrespect their loved one's body. They didn't. They paid you that because they believed you were going to be professional about it, or at least hide it well enough that they would never find that. You know, they're like, look, can you just do a good job about this or at the very least lie to me, I'll pay good money. Yeah. Sorry, Stuff like that really pisses me off. It really does, because because because even good mortuary actors are kind of shady, like they'll be like, don't you want your loved one to have the best possible casket that's going to just be buried and then they'll rot in it. It's like it's already a little crooked. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna give them that because stuff. Beliefs are weird. People are weird. So like you know, well, I mean, well you your family ascribes to a belief system that they can't do um any embalming or anything, right, m Yeah. I remember when you because when you had a loved one pass a family member I believe pass, and you mentioned like the funerals like the next day or like yeah, almost immediately. And then when I would have like a loved one pass, it would be like, oh, the funerals in like a week and a half because we need to get people together. And You're like what, and I was like, well, they they embalm the body so that it can last a while. And what's what's scariest about that is mine is the normal one I know, well at least in this country. Well that's why I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean it's by normal, I mean average. I don't mean like that, you know, people, I don't think people look at the idea of not embalming as like disgusting or crude. It's just like, why don't you though every that's just what you do? Yeah you know so, but that's against most he has. Most sets of Judaism are not okay with that, right, I think saying the same thing with like, uh, like in the Islamic faith, I don't think you're supposed to that sounds right? Yeah, so yeah, no, it's just that's really I don't know. I get mad. I like, I have my buddy, one of my buddies, his mother passed away and it was very very painful, and he tried to like set up the funeral, but but he was like so emotional. He was like, Wow, this guy's quoting like crazy high prices, and I just don't even have the energy to, like, you know, to like debate and negotiate. So he ended up just leaving and asked a close friend to do it because he was like, I can't do this because I don't want to spend like ten grand on this funeral. Yeah, but I don't know how I won't. Yeah. And when his friend came in, who was emotionally relatively you know, relatively not involved. I mean he knew the woman and stuff, but he was able to, you know, without crying, talk about what they were going to do with her body. Yeah, And he said that it ended up costing like less than three thousand dollars or less than four thousand dollars because his friend was able to go, no, we want we want an affordable casket. We don't want the super end thing, and we don't want this thing. We just want this. And the guy would be like, but don't you want blah blah bla, and he'd be like, no, I want the most affordable one you have. Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah. So anyway, sorry, So nothing again, nothing against the mortuary services. I don't think that they're I think that if you do everything you say and you charge them a lot of money, then that's fine. I do, but you know, you're dealing with a sensitive subject. And like the funerals I've been to in the last few years, actually, the people who ran the place, were super great, like they were very accommodating and sweet and blah blah blah. Anyway, I gotta get out of this topic before I cry. I know you're supposed to be then it cries on the show, not me. Yeah, sorry, No, it's over. Are you struggling not to yan already? No, I am just prepared caring myself so that I'll have to use. After one of the company's scheduled pickup days, she messaged the owner of a Facebook group, explaining, wait, what did I miss something? No, I didn't. After one of the company's scheduled pickup days, she messaged the owner of a Facebook group explaining how she acquired the corpses named oddities. The private Facebook group contained about three hundred and eighty members and builds itself as a safe way to shop. So I have friends who collect specimens, wet specimens, dry specimens, pickled punks, stuff, medical oddities. They are very specifically regulated in the way that like a lot of things are regular. Basically, it has to be old. It can't be new. Like if you want to buy a fetus in a jar, it better be from nineteen forty. That's basically it so yeah, yeah, yeah, usually they ask a lot of questions. Well, I mean, sorry, this is how you get the good stuff through Facebook. Quote. I follow your page and work and love it. Scott wrote to the owner, according to the indictment, just out of curiosity, would you know anyone in the market for a fully intact, embalmed brain? Yay? Scott sent pictures of two brains and a heart. Ah. The man offered twelve thousand dollars via PayPal and gave Scott pointers on how to ship the three organs to him in Enola, Pennsylvania via the US Postal Service. That's just so great because like they're there are companies that sell supplements that won't send it USPS because they're like, we don't know how they'll feel about this, And they're like, anyway, send me a human brain to human brains art. It's like okay, yeah. Over the course of the next nine months, Scott proceeded to ship the man an ear and arm, lungs, livers, kidneys, hands, breasts, penises, fetuses, skin, skulls, and one whole human head. Wow. In exchange, he paid her ten thousand, nine hundred and seventy five dollars in sixteen separate PayPal transfers. Wow. Each time Scott returned, the rest of the remains cremated to the school. Yay. Honestly, I thought you'd get more money than that. Me too, especially with inflation the way it is. Yeah, you think human heads, like an intact woman go for a lot. Well, and man, why am I so morbid? So when it comes to buying body parts, there are weird things like if you can give somebody a skull that's interred, which means that it was buried, it's actually worth more money. Then makes me sad. Yeah, it should. It's really freaking weird. And I have friends who work in weird things and people who collect like medical oddities. I have a lot of friends like that, and they have stories about that. And then there's that joke in Return of the Living Dead too, where he said where he says like, they're giving me five thousand dollars for an interred skull, and he's like, well, how do they know that the skull was actually buried? He's like, it would be dishonest not to give them a skull that wasn't buried. They're in a graveyard, like just stealing from the dead. The indictment does not name the buyer, but separate state charges connect the case to Pennsylvania resident Jeremy Lee PAULYI, age forty. PAULI was, oh, no, do you know him? Are you like, oh crap, yeah, checking your Facebook right now, You're like, yeah, oh yeah, that guy. Paully was charged by a Cumberland County Criminal Court with four counts of receiving stolen property, intending to participate an unlawful activity, and abusing a corpse. Paully's lawyer did not immediately return NPR's request for comment. Police were tipped off to Paully's purchases in June of twenty and twenty two. According to a press release announcing his arrest, I love that. I love when an arrest requires a press release, like that is the hell of a thing. In July, a caller reported finding quote human organs and quote human skin resting in three five gallon buckets in Paully's basement. Don't wait what like, but so someone would just like, oh, let me just go in your basement real quick. I need to see the something. And then he was like, sure, just go where the human skin is. It's right over there. In buckets, like how did what? Or did he? Or I bet he was like, hey, let me show you something. He was probably he was probably like, I'm so glad we matched on tender too. Hey, let let me show you something in the face exactly check out all this skin. And she was like, god, this is the third worst tender date I've ever been on. Exactly. Officials confirmed the report, confiscated all remains and intercepted an additional set of packages containing parts as they were being shipped in Scranton. Yay, So to get on my high horse one more time about this. This is the other thing. If if a body is donated to science, it's usually donated by loved ones or by you know, it was decided by the deceased. Again, the idea is, I'm okay with you mutilating this body. I'm okay with you chopping it up as long as it's helping someone, not in a bucket in a basement, so that I can impress people I match with on Hinge, which, by the way, is the app where women make all the moves. So Paully's Facebook page is still selling a human hand at a full set of human ribs, which Paully says came from France saying something, I just I just keep picturing ribs, but like spare ribs. I just keep imagine like the human hand, but it's like it's like holding a beret. Yeah, that's how you know. A website bearing his name describes him as a preservation specialist who quote works to produce educational tools through reconditioning retired medical remains. Yeah, he's not going to get away with that because because he should know if he actually that's what he does, and he does it legitimately, he should know that he has to know how the remains were obtained, Like he needs to have like legal proof that these remain. And also I don't think you can just ship them usps. No, that sounds like a DHL kind of job. Yeah, God bless them, they try so hard. A spokesperson for the University of Arkansas Medical School told NPR that the school is appalled that anyone would desecrate medical donations for their own gain. I like it's like it's like, well, if they if they desecrate medical donations for like for like someone else's gain or the lulls, that's okay, Yeah, yeah, ok got it quote. Human bodies are an indispensable aid in the education of medical students, said Leslie Welch Taylor. We are extremely respectful of our donors when they're in our care. Yeah, that's fair. Each year, the school holds a ceremony for medical students to honor the deceased donors who helped supplement their education, says they. That is really nice just have even just a moment to say, like, we are really thankful that, you know, we have these bodies to do, to do these experiments with and maybe like hide in someone's bed as a prank. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they would have liked that, you heard. I've heard those stories. They're freaky. Have you ever heard those stories, dude. Especially in the seventies and eighties, pranks were played with with medical cadavers all the time, like leaving them on the porch of like a sorority house to freak people out and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They partner with local cemeteries to house the ashes or return them to the families upon request. That's actually really nice too, is that they could be like, well, we'll use them for medical science and then you'll get ashes later. That's like the best of both worlds. Taylor said the FBI is trying to identify which cadavers were impacted, but it's a challenge given the embalming process affects DNA. Hey, you were right. The school and the cremation company knew nothing of the sales until they were contacted by the FBI last summer. She said. The company fired Scott immediately. Scott is in custody with a bail hearing scheduled for Tuesday. Her trial is set to begin on May thirtieth. Yeah. Another great joke from A Return of Living Dead too, because they're grave robbers in it is there's a part where he says, like where he's mentioning like you know, you're a fraidge where he's like eating an apple and he's like, oh, it's cold out. I should have gotten chicken soup. You know, can't be too careful at my age. And he's like and he's like, yeah, you don't want to end up with one of these. And he goes, I'm getting myself cremated and he's like, oh, yeah, it makes sense. So some ghoul like you won't come and chop your fingers off for rings. And he was like, watch your tongue, boy, if you like this job, and he goes like this job anyway? All right, Well, I think we've had our fill of spooky news for today. So we're gonna go to a break and then we're gonna come back and you're gonna do a deep dive talking all about Jack z Ripper after this shell. When you think of being murdered, which I assume you do often, what is the way you usually think of being murdered? Um, I don't really know, you know what is it? Just like a variety pack. It's just all kinds of different types of murder. Yeah, yeah, maybe being like strangled or something like that, you know. Okay, so you mostly imagine being strangled. That's very that's very self centered you. You you expect like very intimate murder. Oh, I mean, I guess getting shot. Um, that's it. I'm glad. I'm glad you're sharing that with me. And what is a list of your greatest fears and your address? Okay? No, Well, to me, I've always thought being murdered in the way that Jack the Ripper killed people sounded fucking heinous. I'm the swearer this this month. Oh yeah, I don't think I've cursed at all, not once. Wow. I was at the scar Longe yesterday with my buddy Keith, and like they were literally children sitting behind us, the owner's grandkids, and he literally like was swearing, like swore once and I was like, yeah, that's probably an accident. And then he says like, fucking that guy, and I was like keep there are literally children sleeping behind. He was like, oh crack, and then he like struggled not to swear, and then the moment they left, he didn't swear the rest of the night. So um. But so, Jack the Ripper was famous for killing prostitutes and he would stab them and pull up with the blade. That's why they called him the Ripper, right, And I always wanted to just kind of do a deep dive and talk a little bit about Jack the Ripper because I find him very fascinating because in part, I mean, they never caught him. To this day, there are only theories about who he was, but nobody really knows who Jack the Ripper was. And it kind of was the beginning of the of changing the way we understood criminals. Because I don't know if you're if you know this, but back in the in the day, they would they would make profiles of what they thought the killers were, and those profiles were based on racism and bigotry and all the stuff. So it would be like if somebody was murdering people in a brutal way, they would be like, oh, well they're um, low class, maybe they're black or immigrants, and they're like they're like drooling and mentally, you know, disabled, like all these things. But Jack the Ripper was very likely a highly educated man, which is why he was able to not get caught. And that is always fascinating because now we when we think about like profiles of killers, it's like they're you know, white, or you know, or a predominant race of the area. They're usually educated to some extent. If they're a serial killer, you know, like it's it's completely the opposite. But back then, people really do believe the reason they didn't catch him was that they were like, well, he's you know, well we were looking for like a slobbering immigrant, you know, we're not looking for like a guy who like we would like to hang out with, right, And I think that's really fascinating because Jack the Ripper, it happened in the White Chapel district of London in eighteen eighty eight. So, and at the time he was mostly called the White Chapel Murderer and also were referred to as leather Apron. Huh yeah, so I wanted to dive in. And of course we're using the most powerful and accurate source of information known to mankind Wikipedia. So attack subscribed to Jack the Ripper typically involved women working as prostitutes who lived and worked in the slums of the East End of London. Their throats were cut prior to abdominal mutilations. That's good. I'm glad that they weren't ripped alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't think that they missed out? No, I mean maybe a little bit. You know, this is getting really morbid. What do you know about Jack the Ripper before he continued, do you know much? Not that much? No, just English serial killer? Yeah and prostitutes. Yeah yeah, I mean, who could forget that. The removal of internal organs from at least three of the victims led to speculation that their killer had some anatomical or surgical knowledge. Rumors that the murders were connected intensified in September and October of eighteen eighty eight, and numerous letters were received by media outlets and Scotland Yard from individuals purporting to be the murderer. Huh. I always wonder what makes people want to do that, to like claim crimes they didn't commit. Maybe they just want some recognition. But a lot of times they'll do it anonymously, So I guess it's for the lulls, for lack of a better term, I guess yeah, Because like, there was a guy who wrote letters to the newspapers saying he was dB Cooper and there's no way that he could prove he was dB Cooper, but he claimed to be dB Cooper. It's super weird. And then there are the cases where people, like tons of people confess to the same murder, right right, super weird. The name Jack the Ripper originated in the quote dear Boss, letter written by an individual claiming to be the murderer, which was disseminated in the press. The letter is widely believed to have been a hoax and may have been written by journalists to heighten interest in the story and increase their newspaper circulation. I am so glad news isn't like that anymore. Yeah, we really cleaned up our act. Yeah, Like I am so glad that. Like, imagine how because most of the news is on the internet now, right, imagine how bad news would get if in order to get clicks they used a kind of bait. Huh. You know, but like the bait may not be legitimate, or it may be you know, it's blown out of proportion. So like they just they would lie so that people would you know, read their like go to read their article and like get on their website. Yeah, basically using bait to get clicks. That would be such a hell scape of news and journalism if that was what happened to us. I'm glad it's not. Though. The from Hell letter received by George Lusk of the White Chapel Vigilance Committee, that's a hell of a name. Vigilance Committee. You should form the I don't want to say the name of where you live exactly. I'm going to hold off on that just unless you want everybody to know what town you live in about just a Philly metro area. Billington's committee, Okay, that just sounds like criminals. Yeah, came with half of a preserved human kidney. Wow, I don't know. The fact that it was half and preserved makes me think it was just a medical specimen, probably probably probably purchased from Arkansas, mailed via USPS. Yeah, purportedly taken from one of the victims. The public became came increasingly to believe in the existence of a single serial killer known as Jack the Ripper, mainly because of both the extraordinarily brutal nature of the murders and the media coverage of the crimes. Okay, that's another thing. I'm really glad that media is not obsessed with like politicized and giving tons of attention to killers anymore. Thank goodness. Extensive newspaper coverage just bestowed widespread and enduring international notoriety on the Ripper, and the legend solidified a police investigation into a series of eleven brutal murders committed in Whitechapel and Spittle Fields between eighteen eighty eight and eighteen ninety one. It's spittle Fields or spital Fields, that's what it says. I saw the face she made when you heard that. Between eighteen eighteen ninety one was unable to connect all of the killings conclusively to the murders of eighteen eighty eight. Five victims Maryanne Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine ETOs, and Mary Jane Kelly are known as the canonical five, and their murders between thirty one of August and nine of November eighteen eighty eight are often considered the most likely to be linked. I like that they're they're the cannon murders. Yeah, everything else might not be cannon, but these are the cannon murders. Yeah. Well, and that's uh. I mean it makes sense though, if if, if it was highly publicized, copycats are totally possible. Oh totally. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the things I always got a kick out of in movies and TV shows, and I'm assuming they do it in real life too. How they'll withhold certain details to make sure that no one can pretend they know everything. Yeah, yeah, I think that's smart. The murders were never solved, and the legends surrounding these crimes became a combination of historical historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory, capturing public imagination to present day. I don't think anybody's interested in present day No, No, that's a joke because we're talking about it right now. Um. I just wanted to help by giving a little insight in ASMR style. Okay, Um, did that give you like chills? People don't know how to have asmar reactions. You just know how to yawn when you hear the word yawn. Yeah, go on, suf bacon it okay. In the mid nineteenth century totally. In the mid nineteenth century, England experienced an influx of Irish immigrants, who swelled the populations of the major cities, including the East End of London. From eighteen eighty two, Jewish refugees freeing Pograms and Czarist Russia and other areas of Eastern Europe emigrated into the same area. The parish of Whitechapel in the East End became increasingly overcrowded, and with the population increasing to approximately eighty thousand inhabitants by eighteen eighty eight, work and housing conditions worsened and a significant economic underclass developed. Fifty five percent of children born in the East End died before they were five years old. Wow. Robbery, violence and alcohol dependency were commonplace, and the endemic poverty drove many women to prostitution to serve five on a daily basis. In October of eighteen eighty eight, London's Metropolitan Police Service estimated that there were sixty two brothels and twelve hundred women working as prostitutes in Whitechapel, with approximately eight thousand, five hundred people residing in two hundred and thirty three common lodging houses within Whitechapel every night. Wow. Yeah, with the nightly price for a single bed being fourpence and the cost of sleeping upon a lean to or hangover rope stretched across the dormitory being twopence per personal, that's like wow, they didn't have enough. Wow, that's crazy, Like sorry, like wow, I didn't know that at all. The economic problems in Whitechapel were accompanied by a steady rise in social tensions between eighteen eighty six and eighteen eighty nine. Frequent demonstrations led to police intervention in public unrest, such as Bloody Sunday in eighteen eighty seven. Oh and here we go. Anti Semitism, crime, nativism, racism and social disturbance and severe deprivation influenced public perceptions that Whitechapel was a notorious den of immorality. I mean it sounds like it's bad, so it sounds pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah again, So glad that stuff like that doesn't happen when places get bad, now, yeah, I mean too. Such perceptions were strengthened in the autumn of eighteen eighty eight, when the series of vicious and grotesque murders attributed to Jack the Ripper received unprecedented coverage in the media. So where these murders took place was already a place people were just like about. They were already like, that's a disgusting place where very bad things and vile things happen. Yeah, okay, so okay, let's see Whitechapel referred to as the Philadelphia of England. Was that would be ultimate if that's what it said. Often referred to as the Philadelphia of Europe. Yeah, sadly that's not what it says. The large number of attacks against women in the East End during this time adds uncertainty to how many victims were murdered by the same individual. Right eleven separate murders stretching from three of April eighteen eighty eight to the thirteenth of February eighteen ninety one, were included in a Metropolitan Police investigation and were known collectively in the police docket as the White Chapel murders. Opinions vary as to whether these murders should be linked to the same culprit, but five of the eleven White Chapel murders were known as the canonical five and are widely believed to be the work of the ripper. Most experts point to deep slash wounds to the throat, followed by extensive abdominal and genital area mutilation, the removal of internal organs, and progressive facial mutilations as the distinctive features of the rippers modus operendi. In the first two cases in the Whitechapel Murders file, those of Emma Elizabeth Smith and Martha Tabram, they are not a wait. The first two cases are not included in the canonical five. Okay Okay Smith was robbed and sexually insulted in Osbourne Street, Whitechapel at approximately one thirty am on the third of April eighteen eighty eight. She was she had been bludgeoned about the face and received a cut to her ear. A blunt object was also inserted into her vagina. Rupturing her paranium peritonium. Sorry, I tried to make it very like professional, because this is upsetting stuff to talk about. She developed periantitis and died follow the following day at London Hospital. Wow Smith stated that she had been attacked by two or three men, one of whom she described as a teenager. The attacker was linked to the later murders by the press, but most authors attribute Smith's murder to general East End gang violence, unrelated to the Ripper. Yeah, that's what I would think. Well, that's the problem. I mean, like a lot of killers will well like remember the I don't know if you're familiar, but with I mean, I know you know who Jeffrey Dahmer is. But a lot of people believe that the reason Jeffrey Dahmer got away with it for so long was that he lived in a high crime area. Yeah. And in fact, people would claim that Dahmer's attacks were racially motivated, that he was, you know, intentionally killing black people and lived in a place that was mostly black. But Dahmer always claimed that he just lived where he could afford and that it had nothing to do with race. He just lived in the poor end of town, right, but unfortunately, in poor areas, crimes often go unsolved. So I don't know why I'm getting upset. It's not like we're talking about anything heavier serious. Yeah. Tabrine was murdered on a staircase landing in George Yard Whitechapel in seventh of August eighteen eighty eight. She had suffered thirty nine stab wounds to her throat, lungs, heart, liver, spleen, stomach, and abdomen. But excessive, it is. Have you ever looked at the crime photos from the Manson murders. No, I don't look at crime photos. No, I don't like seeing people. But they literally like stabbed hundreds of times. It's yeah, it's yeah. It's with additional knife wounds inflicted to her breasts and vagina. All but one of Tabram's wounds had been inflicted with a bladed instrument such as a pen knife, and with one possible exception, all the wounds have been inflicted by a right handed individual. That's so many people. Tabraum had not been raped. So that is a difference in the In the Emodus, Aperendi, the m the savage savagery of the tavern murder, the lack of an obvious motive, and the closeness of the location and date to the later canonical Ripper murders led police to link this murder to those later committed by Jack the Ripper. However, this murder differs from the latter canonical murders because although Taburn had been repeatedly stabbed, she had not suffered any slash wounds to her throat or abdomen. Many experts do not connect Tabron's murders with the later murder murders because of this difference in the wound pattern. Yeah, that makes sense. And I know some people theorize that sometimes, um, serial killers are adjusting their mo like they're finding it. So it is very complicated. In fact, we did a terrifying and true that was a relative of a listener of Weekly Spooky, like a distant relative, but a relative. And one of the theories was that they that they were one of Jeffrey Dahmer's early killings because Dahmer did live in that area at the time. But it's all speculation, yeah, and it's interesting. Um So now we're going to dive into the canonical five. We're going to go out of the realm of the ones that are debated, Okay, the canonical five Ripper victims, Maryanne Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Katherine ETOs and Mary Jane Kelly. That's the canonical. The body of Maryanne Nichols was discovered at about three forty am on Friday, the thirty first of August eighteen eighty eight in Buck's Row, Whitechapel. Nichols had last been seen alive approximately one hour before the discovery of her body by Missus Emily how Holland, with whom she had previously shared a bed at a common lodging house in Thrall Street, Spittlefields. Walking in the direction of Whitechapel Road, her throat was severed by two deep cuts, one of which completely severed all tissue down to the vertebrae. Her vagina had been stabbed twice, and the lower part of her abdomen was partially ripped open by a deep, jagged wound, causing her bowels to protrude. Several other incisions inflicted to both sides of her abdomen had also been caused by the same knife. Each of these wounds had been inflicted in a downward thrusting manner. One week later, on Saturday, the eighth of September eighteen eighty eighth, the body of Annie Chapman was discovered at approximately six sayam near the steps to the doorway of the backyard of twenty nine Hanbury Street, Spittlefields. As in the case of Nichols, the throat was severed by two deep cuts. Her abdomen had been cut entirely open, with a section of flesh from her stomach being placed upon her left shoulder huh, and another section of skin and flesh plus her small intestines being removed and placed above her right shoulder. Huh. Chapman's autopsy also revealed that her uterus and sections of her bladder and vagina had been removed. So that does sound very similar. And that was before the killings were publicized in any way, Okay, yeah. At the inquest into Chapman's murder, Elizabeth Long described having seen Chapman standing outside twenty nine Hanbury Street at about five thirty am in the company of a dark haired man wearing a brown deer stalker hat and dark overcoat and of a why would it Oh, sorry, I've misread that of a shabby genteel appearance. For a second, I thought it's a stabby genteel appearance, and I was like, why would that be the descriptor? But that's just me being twisted. According to this eyewitness, the man had asked Chapman the question will you to which cha Chapman had replied, yes, okay, I'm guessing that was like the code for picking up prostitutes back then. Sounds it could be. Elizabeth Stride and Katherine Edos were both killed in the early morning hours of Sunday, the thirtieth of September eighteen eighty eight. Stride's body was discovered at approximately one am in Duttfield's yard off Berner Street. Whoa Berners Street now Enrique Street spelled like my name? Ooh. I was not present in the United Kingdom at any time in eighteen eighty eight. Are you sure because they named the street after you? Dude. It's like, I never see my name anywhere. It's totally Enrique Street, but with an H my name. Uh nothing. I'm drinking this water. Stop looking at me like that. Okay. If you piss me off, I'm gonna make you yawn again. No, okay, sorry, that's just really strange that the streets now named after my surname, well a surname of my first name. The cause of death was a single, clear cut incision measuring six inches across her neck, which had severed her left carded carded artery and her trachea before terminating beneath her right jaw. The absence of any further mutilations to her body has led to uncertainty as to whether Stride's murder was committed by the ripper or whether she was interrupted during the attack. He was interrupted during the attack. Several witnesses later informed police they had seen Stride in the company of a man in or close to Berner Street on the evening of the twenty ninth of September and in the early hours of the thirtieth of September, but each gave differing descriptions. Some said that her companion was fair, others dark. Some said that he was shabbily dressed, and others said he was well dressed. What if he was wearing like half of each that he had makeup on one half of his face and half clothes on one side and like they yeah, they saw like one side of him on the other side. Yeah, So people coming would think he was well dressed, and people going thought he was shabby, and then the prostitute was just really confused while talking to him. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. It reminds me of John Dyes at the End. And they shaved the dog half the dog so that when he was coming and going they would think it was a different dog. Wow. Yeah, anyway, I love John Dyes at the End. Edo's body was found in a corner of mid of Miter Square in the city of London, three quarters of an hour after the discovery of the body of Elizabeth's stride. Her throat was severed from ear to ear and her abdomen ripped open by a long, deep and jagged wound. Before her intestines had been placed over her right shoulder, with the section of intestine being completely detached and placed between her body and her left arm. The left kidney and the major part of Edo's uterus had been removed, and her face had been disfigured, with her nose severed, her cheeks slashed, and cuts measuring a quarter of an inch and a half an inch, respectively, vertically in size through each of her eyelids. Oh a triangular incision, the apex of which pointed towards Edo's eye, had also been carved upon each of her cheeks, and a section of the article and lobe oracle sorry oracle and lobe of her right ear was later recovered from her clothing. The police surgeon who conducted the post mortem upon Edo's body stated his opinions. His opinion these mutilations would have taken at least five minutes to complete. Yeah, I was going to say, this sounds like a like a process, Like you can't just like yeah, yeah, no, it really. A local cigarette salesman named Joseph Lawend had passed through the square with two friends shortly before the murder, and he described seeing a fair haired man of shabby appearance with a woman who may have been Edos Lowen's companions were unable to confirm his description. The murders of Stride and Edo's ultimately became known as the Double Event. Okay. A section of Edo's bloodied apron was found at the entrance to a tenement building in Gholston Street, Whitechapel at two fifty five am. A chalk inscription upon the wall directly above this piece of apron read the I wasn't expecting this. It's misspelled, but it says the Jews. But it's misspelled. It's spelled Juws. The Jews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing. Well, this graffito like that, it's graffito. This graffito became known as the Gulston Street graffito. The message appeared to imply that a Jew or Jews in general, were responsible for the series of murders, but it is unclear whether the graffito was written by the murderer on dropping the section of apron, or was merely incidental and nothing to do with the case. It's true, it could be either one. It sounds to me like it was had nothing to do. It was just a piece of graffiti. Somebody was just writing some anti Semitic shit on the wall, that's my opinion. And then they were like, wait stop, I'm going to just put this apron here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Such graffiti were commonplace in Whitechapel. Police Commissioner Charles Warren feared that the graffito might spark Antisemitic riots and ordered the writing washed away before dawn. Yeah, so what do you think you think it was a Jewish gentleman. All right, I mean I can only assume that, right. Well, I mean, and people have said maybe he was a doctor. And if this man wanted to wanted his mother to be happy, you better believe he became a doctor. Yeah. God damn it took out people's intestines and stuff. He's a good boy. You don't know him. This is getting awful. Um, I didn't realize this was going to be this morbid, Which why didn't I it's about Jack the Ripper. Yeah, I don't know why you didn't know. Well, we're gonna take a break real quick, and we'll be back with even more uncomfortable stories of Jack the Ripper. And we're back as we cut deeper into the story of Jack the Ripper. I love that cringe face of yours. It's it's one of my favorites. I'm sorry, Chell, Okay, I'm sorry that I'm not sorry. Oh okay, then it's not okay. I'm actually like a softie. I was telling you off, Mike that uh that like sometimes when I read the terrifying and true stories, I have to like go for a walk or like cuddle my dogs, because like even just fifteen minutes of reading crime can make me really sad. Yeah, yeah, this one's fine, okay. So the extensively mutilated and disemboweled body of Mary Jane Kelly that was the next sentence, was discovered lying on the bed in the single room where she lived at thirteen Miller's Court off Dorset Street, Spittlefields, at ten forty five am on Friday, the ninth of November eighteen eighty eight. Her face had been quote hacked beyond all recognition, with her throat severed down to the spine and the abdomen almost emptied of its organs. Her uterus, kidneys and one breast had been placed beneath her head, and other viscera from her body placed beside her foot about the bed, and sections of her abdomen and thighs upon a bedside table. The heart was missing from the crime scene, so the heart was taken. Maybe he's just building a body. He's taken all different things, I feel. I watched a movie where they made the claim that that like where they like that was the story point, was that Jack the Ripper was like making a beautiful woman out of all these prostitutes. Did you ever see um the movie Perfume? No it's about a perfume maker and he's trying to come up with like the perfect perfume, and he has this like big vat of alcohol that you soak things in and it basically pulls the essence out of it. Well, he ends up accidentally killing I think it was he accidentally kills a prostitute or no, a woman, just a woman that he was in love with or whatever, and he and she ends up in that tank and it makes a perfume from her. And it turns out that like that perfume is like a love potion almost, So he starts killing prostitutes and turning them into perfume because it's actually a very romantic, like like in the broad sense of romance concept that like these women are like made of love, like they're made for love, like men all men love them because all men, you know, paid to sleep with them. So he makes a perfume out of them, and it's like a love potion. People can't resist it because it smells like pure love. So he makes a concentrated perfume of it and sells it and makes a lot of money. Spoiler alert, this movie is like twenty years old. Spoiler alert. I love the ending. The ending is he ends up at a brothel after people figure out what he did, and he pours the like concentrated perfume all over himself and all of the prostitutes. Instead of like they all swarm him, but instead of like having sex with him, they literally eat him, like they eat him alive, like blood and bones and everything, which I also thought was a really cool poetic symbol because it's like, yeah, a little love is good, but a lot of love is basically just consumption. I always thought I thought that was a really cool concept. I highly recommend watching the movie Perfume if you don't mind a morbid movie, which I mean if you've been listening to me talk about Jack the River for twenty six minutes already, then you probably would be fine. That's a really good one. That also reminds me of the Red Violin. I can't okay, I gotta stop. Okay, The Red Violin was really good. Um, his lover's blood was in the was in the shellac. Okay. So multiple ashes were found within the fireplace suggested that suggested Kelly's murder had burned. Murderer had burned several combustible items to illuminate the single room as he mutilated the body. You think that he probably would have to see. Yeah, he's probably well, it's far too cold in here. It's just you know, a recent fire had been severe enough to melt the soul the solder between the kettle and its spout, which had fallen into the grate of the fireplace. Each of the canonical five murders was perpetrated at night on or close to a weekend, either at the end of a month or a week or so after the mutilations became increasingly severe as the series of murders proceeded. Except for that of Stride, whose attacker may have been interrupted, Nichols was not missing any organs. Chapman's uterus and sections of her bladder and vagina were taken, Edo's had her uterus and left kidney removed and her face mutilated, and Kelly's body was extensively eviscerated, with her face gashed in all directions and the tissues of her neck being severed to the bone. Although the heart was the sole body organ missing from the crime scene, Historically, the belief these five canonical murders were committed by the same perpetrator is derived from the contemporaneous documents which linked them together to the exclusion of others. In eighteen ninety four, Sir Melville Macknachten, England, Assistant Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police Service and head of the Criminal Investigation Department, wrote a report that stated, quote the Whitechapel murderer had five victims and five victims only. Similarly, the canonical five victims were linked together in a letter written by police Sergeant Thomas Bond to Robert Anderson, head of the London CID, on the tenth of November eighteen eighty eight. Some researchers have posited that some of the murders were undoubtedly the work of a single killer, but an unknown larger number of killers acting independently were responsible for the other crimes. Author Stuarts SARTs, Stuart P. Evans, and Donald Rumbelow Ah that's a good English name. Donald Rumbelow Yeah argue that the canonical five is a Ripper myth, and that three cases Nichols, Chapman and Eddo's, can be definitely linked to the same perpetrator, but that less certainty exists as to whether Stride and Kelly were also murdered by the same individual. Conversely, others suppose that the six murderers between Tabram and Kelly were the work of a single killer. Doctor Percy Clark, assistant to the examining pathologist George Bagster Phillips, linked only three of the murders and thought that the others were perpetrated by quote weak minded individuals induced to emulate the crime. Yeah, so that's interesting. Yeah, I did not know a out of these details, and boy am I disturbed. Yeah, so let's dive into the investigation and stop with all of the details of the crimes. Okay. The vast majority of the City of London police files relating to their investigation into the Whitechapel murders were destroyed in the Blitz. Of course they were wowsy Germans. See, just when you think, like, hey, the Germans were pretty all right historically, all of a sudden, this happens. Yeah your eyes got so wide. Yeah no, so yeah, that but that makes sense. They were destroyed during the Blitz. For those who aren't familiar with World War those World War two, right, the Blitz, It's basically was a bombing on London. That's where the keep calm and carry on thing came from was after the Blitzkrieg. The surviving Metropolitan Police files allow a detailed view of investigative procedures in the Victorian era. A large team of policemen conducted house to house inquiries throughout Whitechapel. Forensic material was collected and exam and suspects were identified, traced, and either examined more closely or eliminated from the inquiry. Modern police work follows the same pattern. More than two thousand people were interviewed, upwards of three hundred were investigated, and eighty people were detained. Wow, so they I mean they went for it. This was not one of those cases where it was like nobody really cared. Yeah, they dug I mean eighty people being detained in question, that's a lot of people. Yeah. Following the murders of Stride and Edos, the Commissioner of the City Police, Sir James Frasier, offered a reward of five hundred pounds for the arrest of the ripper. With inflation, that's probably a lot of money. That's probably like a stupid amount of money, but I'm not going to look it up because it's pounds and I'll get confused and scared. Yeah. The investigation was initially conducted by the Metropolitan Police Whitechapel Division Criminal Investigation Department, headed by Detective Inspector Edmund Reid. After the murder of Nichols, Detective Inspectors Frederick Aberlin, Henry Moore and Walter Andrews were sent from the Central Office at Scotland Yard to assist. That makes sense. Scotland Yard is like the investigative branch in the UK. The City of London police were involved under Detective Inspector James McWilliam after the Edos murder, which occurred within the City of London. That makes sense because that would happened. Yeah, that happened in the city. The overall direction of the murder inquiries was hampered by the fact that the newly appointed head of the CID, Robert Anderson, was on leave in Switzerland between seventh of September and the sixth of October, during the time when Chapman, Stride and Edos were killed. So what a time for a holiday. Yeah, but what does that mean? It was him, He pretended he was away and then he killed some women. Oh man, I wonder I'm wondering if there are any belief that law enforcement was involved, because I would imagine there was. Geez. This prompted Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Charles Warren to appoint Chief Inspector Donald Swanson to coordinate the inquiry from scott and Yard. Butchers, slaughterers, surgeons and physicians were suspected because of the manner of the mutilations. A surviving note from Major Henry Smith, Acting Commissioner of the City Police, indicates that the alibies of local butchers and slaughterers were investigated, with the result that they were eliminated from the inquiry. A report from Inspector Swanson to the Home Office confirms that seventy six butchers and slaughterers were visited and that the inquiry encompassed all of their employees from the previous six months. Wow, this is a this is for I actually kind of thought it was a bad investigation, like when I only knew broad Strokes. Some contemporaneous figures, including Queen Victoria, thought the pattern of the murders indicated that the culprit was a butcher or cattle drover on one of the cattle boats that piled that applied between London and mainland Europe. Who cares what Queen Victoria thinks. She has no forgetting experience in this. That just makes me think she did it. She might have. Man, we're getting banned in England. Yeah, that's a bannable offense. Whitechapel was close to the London Docks and usually such boats docked on Thursday or Friday and departed on Saturday or Sunday. That's actually really interesting. The cattle boats were examined, but the dates of the murders did not coincide with the single boat's movements, and the transfer of a crewman between boats was also ruled out. Okay, damn, yeah they really they really did in a job. Yes, well except they never caught him, so well sorry, So let's talk about the White Chapel Vigilance Committee. In September of eighteen eighty eight, a group of volunteer citizens in London's East End formed the White Chapel Vigilance Committee. They patrolled the streets looking for suspicious characters, partly because of the dissatisfaction with failure of police to apprehend the perpetrator, and also because some members were concerned that the murders were affecting businesses in the area. Don't say Jack the ripper affected businesses in the area. Yeah. Yeah. The committee petitioned the government to raise a reward for information leading to the arrest of the killer, and offered their own reward of fifty quid, which is equivaled. Wow, which is equivalent to the equivalent of between five thousand, nine hundred and eighty six thousand How is it so wide of a that's what it says. For inflation, it could be between five thousand, nine hundred and eighty six thousand pounds twenty twenty one pounds. And they hired private detectives to question witnesses independently, So that's even crazier. There was an independent body that was also investigating, which would have helped curtail any corruption in law enforcement that could have been involved. So now we're going to get into something that I am familiar with, which is the profiling, which I talked about a little bit earlier. At the end of October, Robert Anderson asked police surgeon Thomas Bond to give his opinion on the extent of the murderer's surgical skill and knowledge. The opinion offered by Bond on the character of the Whitechapel murderer is the earliest surviving offender profile. Okay, so that was like the beginning of making profiles. Bond's assessment was based on his own examination of the most extensively mutilated victim and the post mortem notes from the four previous canonical murders. He wrote, quote, all five murders, no doubt, were committed by the same hand. In the first four, the throats appeared to have been cut from left to right. In the last case, owing to the extensive mutilation, it is impossible to say in what direction the fatal cut was made, but arterial blood was found on the wall in splashes close to where the woman's head must have been lying. All the circumstances surrounding the murders led me to form the opinion that the women must have been lying down when murdered, and in every case the float the throat was first cut. Oh but here we go. Bond was strongly opposed to the idea that the murderer possessed any kind of scientific or anatomical knowledge, you know, like him. Um, I'm wondering if he's going to be a suspect. I'm really curious or even quote the technical knowledge of a butcher or horse slaughterer. M In his opinion, the killer must have been a man of solitary habits, subject to quote periodical attacks of homicidal and erotic mania. Ah, the old sudden mania theory. Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, with the character of the mutilations possibly indicating oh man, I don't know how to say this word, satiresis, satiresus. That's what it looks like, satarisus, satteriasis, saturiasis, that's what it said, caause oriasis, basically siasis. Bond also stated that the homicidal impulse may be developed from a revengeful or brooding condition of the mind, or that religious mania may have been the original disease. But I do not think either hypothesis is likely. Okay, huh oh. Also, there is no evidence the perpetrator engaged in sexual activity with any of the victims. Yet psychologists suppose that the penetration of the victims with a knife and leaving them on display in sexually degrading positions with wounds exposed, indicates the perpetrator to perpetrator derived sexual pleasure from the attacks. This view is challenged by others who dismiss such hypotheses and as insupportable supposition. I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the insupportable subposition. You don't think they were sexual in nature? I have no idea, huh. I mean, I mean they were all prostitutes. But that's a really easy way to get access to someone you don't know. It's true, But the intimate nature of the of the murder is questionable to me. I mean, stabbing is very intimate, slashing is very the removal of sexual organs, but but it wasn't just the sexual organs that were struved. It was so like it would be to me. It would be different if it was like that was the only thing that was removed, but it was like everything in place, places and all this stuff. So I don't know what the thought process was. I mean, that's a fair point. That's a really fair point. My only other thought is oftentimes murders like this are attributed to impotence, So maybe he was incapable of getting an erection. So that's so this was like an act of violence against women that he could commit since he could not rape. HM. Well, I mean that that's possible, but it's it's again like just total conjecture. We have no idea. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what happened. Okay, I read I've read half the Wikipedia, and I mean you, you're the street was named after you. Stop bringing that up. That is so freaking weird. I don't understand why that street. For those who don't know a lot about Hispanic and Luso culture, Enrique in particular is often also a last name, Enrique Enriquez. I've actually known people who have the first time last name the same Enrique Enriquez, whether it's with an H like mine or without an H like more of the Spanish traditional name. So it was Enriquez. So it was a last name of someone, someone's last name. It was named I was not named after my first name because I was there in the eighteen eighties. And Doc Brown he's a fucking liar when he talks about what that time machine was used for. In addition to the sorry you okay, oh yeah, but but despite the fact that we're in the same room, you froze or I froze, I'm not really sure. Yeah you did too. Yeah, that's why I thought you looked uncomfortable in that freeze frame. Yeah. In addition to the contradictions and unreliability of contemporateous accounts, attempts to identify the murder or hampered by the lack of any surviving forensic evidence, the DNA analysis on extant letters is inconclusive. The available material has been handled many times and is too contaminated to provide meaningful results. There have been mutually incompatible claims that DNA evidence points conclusively to two different suspects, and the methodology of both has been criticized. So now we're going to get to suspects, okay, and I'm going to skip where it says me. Okay, we already know you. The concentration of the killings around weekends and public holidays and within a short distance of each other, has indicated to many that the ripper was in regular employment and lived locally. Others have opined that the killer was an educated upper classman, possibly a doctor or an aristocrat, who ventured into Whitechapel from a more well to do area. Should be smart. That would be smart, and it would be where you would go to do anything of ill repute would be in White Chapel. So whether it was murders, or picking up prostitutes, or getting drunk and not wanting people to see how drunk you get, or doing opium or you know, or anything you'd want to keep away from the people. You know. Yeah, yeah, you'd go to the rough part of town. It's kind of like you, you know, you're you're like this vegetarian and you don't drink alcohol, and that's why you go to Fishtown when you want to get wasted. So nobody knows you there. I mean, no Kensington, but but I mean I understand the spirit of it. Why Kensington because that's where the open air drug market is. Oh nice. You wouldn't know that because that's that's where I go, Oh, oh my god. Such theories draw on cultural perceptions such as fear of the medical profession, a mistrust of modern science, or the exploitation of the poor by the rich. That is, there is a little bit of classness in there. I mean, ironically, the claim that it's that the murders were classist is classist. The idea, like a rich person would come down here and start killing people. Yeah, that's classist as well. Yeah, but their ability to get away with it, their ability to get these prostitutes alone to do that could suggest they had money and education or but who knows the term oh god. The term ripperology was coined to describe the study and analysis of the Ripper case in an effort to determine his identity, and the murders have inspired numerous works of fiction. I mean so many works of fiction. Yeah. Suspects proposed years after the murders include virtually anyone remotely connected to the case by contemporaneous documents, as well as men any famous names who were never considered in the police investigation, including Prince Albert Victor. Yeah, Prince Albert Nican, he's a killer. Oh wow, artist Walter Sickert, and author Lewis Carroll. Wow. So just anybody who was alive then, yeah, it's like they were probably Jack the Ripper. Yeah. I mean, for the record, I'm not Jack the Ripper. I know, we have a lot of fun and we like to joke. I am dB Cooper, Okay. Anyway, that's why I have such a nice microphone. Stole that stuff from the plane and jumped out. Everyone alive at the time is now long dead, and modern authors are free to accuse anyone quote without any need for any supporting historical evidence. Suspects named in contemporaneous police documents include three in Sir Melville McNaughton's eighteen ninety four memorandum, but the evidence against each of these individuals is at best circumstantial. There are many varied theories about the actual identity and profession of Jack the Ripper, but authorities are not have not agreed upon any of them. And the number of names suspects reaches over one hundred. Wow. Yeah. As I was reading this, I was like, Wow, they're not really naming very many people. That's why. Yeah. Yeah. Despite continued interest in the case, the Ripper's identity remains unknown. Yay, So we're going to read one more section. I know this has been a long one, but I want to read about the letters because I think the letters are like the last interesting element and of this, you know, since clearly there's no suspects that really seem legitimate. So actually we should go to a break real quick. Ha ha. I teased you these letters are really interesting and important. We'll be right back after these words. And we are back, and we're going to go into the Jack the Ripper letters. Michelle, are you excited. Yes, okay, because otherwise I'll force you to yawn. Don't you don't want that? You don't okay. Over the course of the Whitechapel murders, the police, newspapers and other individuals received hundreds of letters regarding the case. Some letters were well intentioned offers of advice as to how to catch the killer, but the vast majority were either hoaxes or generally useless, good like poems about Jack the Ripper actually probably probably, actually, yeah gosh. Hundreds of letters claimed to have been written by the killer himself, and three of these in particular are prominent. The Dear Boss letter, the Saucy Jackie postcard, and the from Hell letter. I'm only familiar with the from Hell letter because of the Johnny Depp movie From Hell, which is loosely about Jack the Ripper and everything. So the Dear Boss letter, dated twenty fifth of September and postmarked the twenty seventh of September eighteen eighty eight, was received that day by the Central News Agency and was forwarded to Scotland Yard on the twenty ninth of September. Initially it was considered a hoax, but when Edows was found three days after the letters postmark with a section of one ear obliquely cut from her body. The promise of the author to clip the ladies ears off gained attention. That's yeah, Edo's ear appears to have been nicked by the killer incidentally during his attack, and the letters the letter writer's threat to send the ears to the police was never carried out, so it could have been a coincidence. Yeah, probably, And the ears are near the neck, and there's you know. The name Jack the Ripper was first used in this letter by the signatory and gained worldwide note after its publication. Most of the letters that followed copied this letter's tone, with some authors adopting pseudonyms such as George the High Rip Gang of the High Rip Gang and Jack Sheridan the Ripper. Some sources claim that another letter dated seventeenth September eighteen eighty eight, was the first to use the name Jack the Ripper, but most experts believe that this was a fake inserted into police records in the twentieth century. Interesting the Saucy Jackie postcard was postmarked first of October eighteen eighty eight and was received by the received the same day by the Central News Agency. The handwriting was similar to the Dear Boss letter and mentioned the canonical murders committed on the thirtieth of September, which the author refers to by writing quote double event this time. It has been argued that the postcard was posted before the murders were publicized, making it unlikely that a crank would hold such knowledge of the crime. Yeah. However, it was postmarked more than twenty four hours after the killings occurred, long after details of the murders were known and publicized by journalists. Okay, forget it. Yeah, that seems contradictory and had become generally general community gossip by the residents of Whitechapel. The from Hell letter was received by George Lusk, leader of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, on the sixteenth of October eighteen eighty eight. The handwriting in style is unlike that of the Dear Boss letter and the Saucy Jackie letter postcard. The letter came with a small box in which Lusk discovered half of a human kidney preserved in spirits of wine or ethanol. Ed Ow's left kidney had been removed by the killer. The writer claimed that he quote Fried and eight the missing kidney half. There is disagreement over the kidney. Some contend that it belonged to Edow's, while others argue that it was a maccabre practical joke. Well, sure, it wasn't a normal but it's not there's nothing practical about sending someone half of an organ. Sometimes I just got to do that, right, Yeah, maybe it's not that hard, it's practical. The kidney was examined by doctor Thomas Openshaw of the London Hospital, who determined that it was human and from the left side, but contrary to false newspaper reports, he could not determine any other biological characteristics. Openshaw subsequently also received a letter signed Jack the ripper Man. This seems this talk about murky Yeah like man, so like this one had totally different style and writing style and stuff than the ones that seemed legitimate. But it came with a friggin half of a kidney. Yeah, And the concept of cannibalism would kind of explain like organs being missing. Yeah, I mean, unless he was just keeping him trophies. Well, I mean that's possible too, but I would hope he's eating them. Yeah. You don't want that to go to waste. Yeah, waste not want not. Scotland Yard published facsimiles of the Dear Boss letter and the postcard on October of the third of October. In the ultimately vain hope that a member of the public would recognize the handwriting well, because that's basically in the end, that's how they caught the unibomb or not handwriting. But his writing style was recognized by his brother so and they'd also done other things. It's really interesting learning about linguistic or not linguistic. Um. I can't remember the term now. It's uh, it's basically um otto. It is linguistic. Uh. What's the thing police do when they investigate CSI people. My brain just died. Um um um forensics. It was forensic linguistics, that's what it was called. Anyway, it's really interesting. Forensic linguistics is really fascinating and it all it all came down to the guy who invented it was from Philly Wood. Apparently when he was talking to people, he said, we need to find this guy's would that's what he said. He was like, we got to find their wood and yeah, woods. Charles Warren explained in a letter to Godfrey Lushington, permanent Undersecretary of State for the Home Department, quote, I think the whole thing a hoax, but of course we are bound to try and ascertain the writer in any case. On the seventh of October eighteen eighty eight, George R. Sims, in the Sunday Newspaper Referee implied scathingly that the letter was written by a journalist to hurl the circulation of a newspaper sky high. It was the only letter sent just to journalists at that point. The other ones were sent to law enforcement, which makes a lot more sense unless you're looking for attention. Yeah. Yeah, because in later years people killers and people who would write letters to journalists, they would send it to multiple outlets, all at the same time. I guess, to not show favoritism. Yeah. Police officials later claimed to have identified a specific journalist as the author of both the Dear Boss letter and the postcard. Oh. The journalist was identified as Tom Bullen in a letter from Chief Inspector John little Child to George R. Sims And imagine being named little Child. I just want to point that out. I think it's a good name for a little child. I don't think I think he was a chief inspector. He was a little child at one point. That's true. Shortsighted last name, but I like it. Yeah. But in a letter from Chief Inspector John little Child to George R. Sims dated twenty third of September nineteen thirteen, a journalist named Fred Best reportedly confessed in nineteen thirty one that he and a colleague at The Star had written the letters signed Jack the Ripper to heighten interest in the murders and keep the business alive. Wow. So those were the letters that went into the media, Okay, And then we have the media reports, which I want to delve into a little bit before we get out of here. The Ripper murders marked an important watershed in the treatment of crime by journalists. Jack the Ripper was not the first serial killer, but his case was the first to create a worldwide media frenzy. The Elementary Education Act of eighteen eighty, which had extended upon a previous act, made school attendants compulsory regardless of class. As such, by eighteen eighty eight, more working class people in England and Wales were literate. Tax reforms in the eighteen fifties had enabled the publication of inexpensive newspapers with a wider circulation. These mushroomed into the later Victorian era to include mass circulation of newspapers costing as little as a halfpenny, along with popular magazines such as the Illustrated Police News, which made the Ripper the benefactory beneficiary of pre obviously unparalleled publicity. Consequently, at the height of the investigation, over one million copies of newspapers with extensive coverage devoted to the White Chapel murders were sold each day. Wow, that's insane. Yeah, no, wonder they got cranks and nuts and compecats. That's I mean a million today, a million circulation on a piece of paper is insane. Yeah, back then it was like unheard of. It would become heard of like twenty or thirty years later, before you know, print media kind of fell the way of whatever the Internet is. I forget. I don't believe in new media. I think it's all it's all a joke. Anyway, I've got to record two more podcasts today. Wow, not really two, just one. I record the other one tomorrow. Consequently, oh sorry. However, many of the articles were sensationalistic and speculative and false information was regularly printed as fact. I'm so glad we're past that, me too. Man. In addition, several articles speculating as to the identity of the ripper alluded to local xenophobic rumors that the perpetrator was either Jewish or foreign. Of course, yes, I like how it's separated, though not both either Jewish or foreign, and they couldn't be. Yeah. But in early September, six days after the murder of Maryanne Nichols, the Manchester Guardian reported quote whatever information maybe in the possession of the police, they deem it necessary to keep secret. It is believed their attention is particularly directed to a notorious character known as leather Apron. Ah, that's why that game. Yeah. Journalists were frustrated by the unwillingness of the CID to reveal details of their investigation to the public, and so resorted to writing reports of questionable vorocity. So they made stuff up. Yeah. Imaginative descriptions of quote leather Apron appeared in the press, but rival journalists dismissed these as quote a mythical outgrowth of the reporter's fancy. John Piser, a local Jew who made foot that's what it says in here. It just says a local Jew, a local Jew who made footwear from leather, was known by the name leather Apron. Oh, come on, that's not okay. It was arrested even though the investigating inspector reported that quote. At present, there is no evidence whatsoever against him. He was soon released after the confirmation of his alibi. This is dumb. That is dumb, and that explains why we never hear the leather Apron beyond that, because that was clearly like a xenophobic hate attempt. Yeah, er okay. After the publication of the Dear poss Letter, Jack the Ripper supplanted leather Apron as the name adopted by the press in public to describe the killer. The name Jack was already used to describe another fabled London attacker, Spring Heeled Jack. Oh, I we should do us. We should cover spring Heeled Jack sometime. That's a really interesting story. Yeah, I know a little bit about that. Oh no, that we can't. I only do things that you you're like, I've never heard of anything. Yeah. Who supposedly leapt over walls to strike at his victims and escape as quickly as he came. The invention and adoption of a nickname for a particular killer became standard media practice, with examples such as the Axe Man of New Orleans, the Boston Strangler, the belt and the Beltway Sniper. Examples derived from the Jack the Ripper include the French Ripper, the Duseldorf Ripper. Wow, imagine being that guy, the Dusseldorf Ripper, the Camden Ripper. Is that Camden, New Jersey? I bet it isn't, but it has to be. It's probably not. They're like, we don't even report murders in Camden, New Jersey anymore. Oh wow, the Camden Ripper die in twenty twenty. Oh he got caught. Um, but yeah he's English, Camden, England. Okay, good. Yeah, Like I said, murder in Camden, New Jersey isn't even news. Shout out to all the Camden people. Uh, the Blackout Ripper, Jack the Stripper. I'm gonna have to I'm just gonna have to. Oh. It was a series of six murders in London in nineteen sixty four where he stripped them nude. That was the modus diet was they were stripped nudes. They called him Jack the Stripper, the Yorkshire Ripper, and the Rostov Ripper. Sensational press reports, combined with the fact that no one was ever convicted of the murders, have confused scholarly scholar scholar, I can't talk anymore. I talk too much scholarly analysis and created a legend that casts a shadow over later serial killers. So, and there are some things to point out. I just want to mention. You know, there are lots of movies and miniseries based on Jack the Ripper, but also some people believe that Mary Shelley took inspiration from Jack the Ripper about making Frankenstein from body parts, Okay, and there are also people who believe Bram Stoker was inspired by Jack the Ripper for elements of Dracula, most importantly the fact that he wore a cloak, because some people believe Jack the Ripper wore a cloak. Yeah, so that's I just thought that was an interesting thing to mention. As I love movies and TV shows. I'm actually I have a movie in my cue on now. It's not HBO Max, it's just Max that I need to watch. It's apparently about a serial killer during the Soviet Union in the Soviet Union and how it was like impossible to catch him because of the way the police were run at the time. I wish I could remember the name of it. I'm useless. All Right, we're gonna we're gonna take a very quick break and then we're gonna wrap things up with some weird stuff. Shell found on Reddit. Well after that RiPP horrific series of segments, Michelle, I want you to tell me what have you found that's odd or interesting on Redditum? Oh okay, So I was looking at an ask Reddit thread that was what's the scariest thing you woken up to? Oh? Okay, So I figured i'd tell you about some of the things that people woke up to that they found scary. So, but before you do that, what's the scariest thing you have ever woken up to? I think I know the answer? Okay, Um, I don't know if you know the answer, but I was thinking about it because I was like, oh, I'd love to respond to this. But I found it when it was like twenty four hours old, and that's like that's like eighty years in reddit time. Yeah, no one was ever going to see it. The scariest thing I've ever woken up to was my arm dislocating from its side. That's exactly what I thought, no joke. Yeah, I should have wrote it on a piece of paper so I could have held it up. No, I thought it was waking up with your shoulder dislocated. Yeah, yeah, that is wow. You know, I'm sorry that that happened to you, But my god, is that funny in hindsight. Okay, you were just sleeping comfortably in bed and your shoulder which had been injured when you were younger, so it had when it went out of the socket before that, um in your sleep or not in your sleep though, No, it was an injury. I fell down on purpose. No, okay, that's a different one. Yeah, that was when I broke my arm. Okay, but you fell and you and you messed up your shoulder and then it was never quite right after that. M Yeah, as as happens when you dislocate your shoulder, right, you were, as I'm assuming you were escaping from a straight jacket exactly. Oh that's so cool. Yeah. Yeah, so so you uh you, yeah, so you dislocated your shoulder and then you were and you obviously it was really it was put back in place but then one night you were asleep and you woke up dislod with it dislocated. I woke up when it dislocated. Yeah, because it's horrible pain. Yeah, well no, it's yeah, yeah, horrible, horrible pain. Yeah. So then you had to call an ambulance, right, yeah, and then they came, and I feel bad because I'm embarrassing you. But they had to come, but you were you were not dressed. Wait, so the time, oh god, okay, go on the time that I wasn't dressed, I didn't have to call the ambulance because I still lived with my parents, so they could call the ambulance. But then I wasn't dressed. The time that I was dressed, like I had like a shirt on and stuff, I called the ambulance. Oh my gosh. Okay, so it's still just as embarrassing, if not more. Yeah, I felt so bad everyone you told me. I was like, oh my god, that's what only happened to Michelle. Yeah, I'm so sorry. It's okay, it was badcast you're involved. I'm gonna write into your anime podcast just asking you to tell that story. Oh god, so you have to. I don't know why you would have to, but you do. Okay, so that's the worst thing you've ever woken up to. Um, I'm trying to think of the worst thing I ever woke up to. I mean, aside from like working my last my last full time job. Yeah, I would just work up and be like, I gotta go see that idiot my boss. Anyway, maybe I'll remember something if you jog my memory with some bizarre redditness Okay, um, so let me think, because there's like a lot of them that I save. Um, so I'll start with some stuff that's not that scary at all. You know, somebody waking up to their cat brushing against their arm and then realizing it's not their cat, it's a giant spider. Oh not cool, bro. Yeah. And some of these redded people are in Australia, so it might have been a really big spider. Oh yeah. Um. Other than that, another cat thing waking up too, like lying under the covers and seeing a kind of weird accordeth this vampiric face next to you in bed and being like, oh shit, it's a cat, and not having a cat. Oh god, Okay, I didn't think it was going to go to And not having a cat that's not okay. Yeah, it turns out it was their neighbor's cat and it was the first time it had done this, But it does, like I guess it just it started to be kind of a routine, like the neighbor's cat just comes in and like sleeps with you, like crawls under the covers with you. Nothing. Nothing's quite as scary as unexp lane cat. Yeah. Remember remember that's news story we did like months and months ago about the dog who just who just got into like there was a big storm and it just went into the house and got into bed with the people at the house. Yeah, why is there a dog in our bed? And it was super friendly and everything that is like, why is there a dog in our bed? Yeah? There's so many things in life that are very charming and comforting when you know they're happening, and not at all when you don't. Yes, okay, so neighbor's cat so um okay, So how about this one um person wakes up to their seven year old like like inches away from their face, whispering help me, and covered in blood? What they just had a bloody nose? Oh but bloody noses, I mean bloody noses bleed a lot, yes, which is why they needed help. Yeah, so they clearly did. But like apparently they talked to them and said, like, you can't ever do that to me again. Like if you like, that's when you have to tell the child the story of Layarona. It had to be like okay, like I'll take care of this, but like you're really lucky that that lady didn't drown you in the river. You gotta stay in bed. Yeah, Oh my god, that's just being apparent though. Yeah, your kid's gonna bleed sometimes, you're gonna need help. They ever tell you about when I fell off my bicycle and skid it across my wrists, So I basically cut my wrists when I was like seven years old. So I went I went to the I went to my babysitter's front door, and I knocked on the door and I said, and I was like, I fell down, and she screamed because there was blood all down my arms and everything. And then when she cleaned it up, the cuts were like you could barely see them, they were so small, but they just got the right spot. Oh man, I felt. So I still can hear her blood curdling scream. And she was not a bad babysitter. She was not a young baby sitter. She was like she was like a probably in her early sixties, and she was super nice. Yeah, and I loved her. I loved her like a family member. And she baby sat me for a really long time. In fact, one of the cutest stories I ever heard was that when my mom, she used to babysit my sister, and when my mom gave birth to me, Loretta was her name. She came over to see me, you know, to see the baby. And when Mom handed her to me, Loretta just started he holding them. That went, well, you can go back to work. I got him, It's all good, you'd leave. It was like she didn't want to hand over this, like, you know, brand new baby boy. And I was a very cute baby. But um but no, so yeah, I remember her. I remember her scream though. But luckily she you know, was smart enough to know like, Okay, I gotta calm down and make sure that and see if we actually have to go to the hospital or not. Because we didn't, she just cleaned it up and then wrapped gauze on it, and yeah, got it all clean. So anyway, so uh yeah, so bloody knows child saying help. Yeah, okay, what else we got? Okay? The person um like I guess was you know, in a place that has it doesn't matter. He woke up and there was an earthquake at like four am and so, and he lived in a house by the ocean, so it was like rocking, and he didn't realize like it was the first time he'd ever experienced an earthquake, and he didn't quite know what was happening. So he thought someone was robbing his house somehow, and so he grabbed his machete and like ran outside shirtless in his underwear nice to like all his neighbors who were just like laughing at him. So well, they were all laugh well they you know, honestly, I if I ever have an earthquake, I'm going to do that on purpose. Yeah, just to get ever everybody a laugh after we were all so scared by the earthquake. Yeah, you know, like everybody's standing outside like, oh God, I hope our homes are okay. And then I come out and like my underwear and no shirt, and I'm like, where is he? Come on? I would laugh my butt off if somebody did. That's really good. Just like the robe half ab and one and one slipper too, just like one slipper on one foot where they Yeah, I would if I woke up to an earthquake. I've never experienced one. If I woke up to an earthquake, I would assume I was dizzy, Like, I would just assume that, like I was having vertigo. Okay. If the house was was shaking and I was like, I would just assume it was me. Hmm, we'll have to find out. That sounds like a threat. Okay, So what else? Okay, I've got one more. Okay, and it is the worst one. It's um This woman like waking up to her husband yelling get the fuck out of my house because there's a man in bed with her that just walked in the door and went to sleep next to her because he was on the couch and nobody noticed. What Yeah, more, is there more info? Um man broke in my house, crawled in to bed with me, was on the couch. It turns out he was in the house for a couple of hours and they caught it on the door camera and the husband had been asleep on the couch, came to bed, like I guess he woke up. He'd fallen asleep. Oh yeah, on the couch, and he came to bed and there's just a guy next to her. But she screamed, oh wait no, oh oh. The scariest thing was her hearing him yell get away from my wife. Oh okay, wow, that's that's terrifying. Yeah, man, read it. People live the most interesting lives and definitely never make anything up. Yeah. I love it. I love it so much. I'm so glad that you examine read it for us every month so we can find something good like that. You're welcome, man, that's oh my god. Um, I did come up with the scariest wake up ever. But it's it's obvious, like it's my sleep paralysis. Yeah, nothing, like, nothing has ever been as scary as my sleep paralysis. I can't imagine. Yeah, And I know I've talked about it on the show before, so I won't go into a huge detail. But one time I woke up and thought there was a woman like on her the balls of her feet in the fetal position, like hugging her knees with her hair covering her face, like the fucking grudge or something. But I recognized her, like I thought she was like a girl I was dating at the time, actually who was not there. And I like just laid there and I was like, huh. And they weren't moving, they weren't interacting, they weren't doing anything. And that's that's the most scary. But there are other scary sleep paralysis moments, but that was the scariest one ever. And when I finally came to fully, I was feeling around if they to see if there was anybody near me. And then when I got up, I put on my glasses and I just turned on all the lights. I checked every fucking room in that apartment. I mean I checked every room, every closet, everywhere. My roommate wasn't even home. It was a weekend when he was visiting his parents, so I like I ched. I opened his bedroom, I went into his bedroom, I went into his closet. I know that's not okay, but I was so terrified that there was somebody hiding in the house, in the apartment, Like it was really scary. Well, I just I'm big on like you respect people's privacy. You think there's an intruder in your house, you're right, and then I licked all of his stuff just because I was in there already. Yeah, you might as well, so I figured like why not? So well, thank you for saving those up. Chell. I appreciate you. And unfortunately I have no big horror media to talk about right now. I've mostly been watching like Star Trek Picard, and the month before there was so many horror movies in the theater. I just had plenty to go see. But there are some cool horror movies coming soon that I'm looking forward to, and I can't remember any of them because I could write them down because I am not a good person. So but we're gonna get out of here. Chell, Do you have anything nice you want to say or anything you want to get across to everybody about anything? No, you don't have anything nice to say to these people who've listened to you for eleven months now. I don't know why they're listening to me because they like you. Oh I don't think so. I think they like you. They've people have specifically written in and been like, I don't like you, but Michelle is awesome. That's never happened. Okay, maybe it hasn't yet, but it will. Okay, Well, then, we're gonna get out of here. I want to say a big thank you for listening to Monthly Spooky. It's hosted by me, Mrika Kuto, and Michelle Antisocial. 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