Horror 421 Interviews Henrique Couto - 2024

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Hello, lovelies, Welcome to Horror
for twenty one, the podcast with your

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host, your friendly small town horror
offer Charles Campbell. Sit back, relax,

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and enjoy the frights in this week's
episode. Hello everyone, Welcome to

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another episode of Horror for twenty one, the podcast. I am your host,

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small Town Horror author Charles Campbell,
and today I have a very special

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guest. He's a good friend of
mine. It's hard to believe I've only

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known him three years. It feels
like much longer, feels like an eternity.

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Eternity, it absolutely does. But
uh by HP long Craft exactly.

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But my good buddy, Enrique Kuto, he's joining us today, and he

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has done so much shit it boggles
my mind. And I mean he's produced

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and directed movies, He's produced and
directed TV series, he hosts a multitude

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of podcasts. He's a musician on
top of all that. And man,

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I just admire you, dude,
And I'm not blowing smoke. You do

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a lot of things to entertain a
lot of folks. Oh yeah, and

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don't forget Weekly Spooky. So we'll
talk about all of that during the show.

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But welcome my friend. Oh my
pleasure to be here happy I could

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could join you today. Well,
I'm so happy you could too. Here

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a returning champion. I think you
and Tony wash Now are tied for appearances.

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Now I gotta I gotta break his
his knee cap with a tire iron.

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Well, let's jump right into it. So you've been up to a

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lot of stuff, but you know
you've got something that that is pretty recent

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that you've been working on with a
gentleman named David Dnoiller, And I hope

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I pronounced that correctly. I tried
to, Well, I taunt him by

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calling him Denoyer. He pronounces it
Denoyer. But it's totally French, so

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you're not really wrong. These people
are French Canadian. So well, I

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mimicked your oh yeah yeah book,
Yeah yeah, for sure. It became

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a running gag to just make up
names for him because his middle name is

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Louie, and I never let him
live that down. Once he told me,

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I was like, well that's forever. I haven't seen all of your

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episodes, but I've watched a few, and you guys have a good chemistry

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together. But when I'm talking about
for the people listening, they host podcasts

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called do you even Movie? So
let's start with that today. Tell us

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how that came to be and how
you partner with David to get this off

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the ground and let our audience know
what it's about. Absolutely, Well,

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first it was. It all actually
started with a different podcast that we did

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for about a year and three months
called Welcome to Primetime, a Freddie's Nightmares

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Podcast, and that was a podcast
that was just Dave and I. Dave

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is my good buddy movie friend.
We have this thing every Tuesday night,

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we get together and we watch movies, and we had decided we wanted to

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do a podcast. As we've we
watched the Freddy's Nightmares TV series for the

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first time because we had never missed
us both. He's about seven years younger

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than me, so we both were
just I'm thirty seven, he's thirty.

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It just missed us both. You
know. It's pretty much the sweet spot

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is like, if you're in your
mid forties, you probably watched Freddy's Nightmares

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on TV. But after it aired
on TV, it just it evaporated.

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So Dave and I got a copy. Well first it was on TV,

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but then they removed it, don't
know why, so it stopped being readily

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available again. Halfway through our season, but we got a copy of the

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entire series and started covering every single
episode, and I mean at all forty

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four of them. We sat down
and broke them down, made jokes about

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them, had a good time.
But the thing we weren't expecting was we

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got people who made the shows to
come and chat with us. Not a

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ton, but more than you'd think. We managed to get the showrunner of

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the first season who had never done
an interview on a podcast ever. He

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he was a guy who that was
his first big show running gig, and

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then before that he worked on Falcon
Crest and that was his big gig was

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Falcon Crest, and then he went
on to do tons of other television and

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then he became a higher up at
AMC, the television channel. Oh yeah,

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yeah, so wow. He had
a fascinating career. We ended up

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doing a two and a half hour
interview with him, and I realized after

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we were done. I was like, man, we got information I've never

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heard before. And then I started
searching. I was like, that's because

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it's nowhere else. He only spoke
to us. It was crazy. So

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we ended up interviewing tons of interesting
people. We got to interview gil Adler

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and al Katz, who gil Adler
produced every episode of Freddy's Nightmares and then

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went on to a little show called
Tales from the Crypt and producer Yeah maybe

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he produced every episode from season three
on of Tales from the Crypt. He

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took over Tales from the Crypt in
order to keep it on budget. So

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we had this incredible experience. We
made lots of interesting friends. But when

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we were doing the Freddy's Nightmares podcast, we always knew it would end because

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eventually, inevitably, there would be
no more Freddie's Nightmares episodes, right,

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So when we were about thirty episodes
deep, I was like, Dave,

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what's our next podcast going to be? Because doing a podcast with my best

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buddy Dave was the biggest duh moment
ever. I had been forever thinking like

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I should do a talk show,
like a weekly talk show of some sort,

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maybe about movies, and then I'd
like talk to this person or that

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person and be like, I don't
know if any of those people make sense,

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And there was like, my buddy
Dave, not only is he my

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movie buddy, and we have a
lot of the same tastes and we have

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pretty good chemistry I love to give
him crap, but he worked on the

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radio for four years. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I could hear

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it in his voice. Man,
And he's a perfect you know for you

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to to kind of kick off one
another, you know. Oh, Kerry

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he was. He's from a little
town in Ohio called Troy, Ohio,

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which is about twenty five minutes north
of where I live in Dayton, Ohio.

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And he was the voice of Troy
Community Radio for yeah, like four

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years, five years, and he
has that basy, deep radio voice.

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So and I knew that he missed
being on the radio. So when we

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started podcasting together, I mean it
was like, you know, hey,

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you got peanut butter in my chocolate. Hey you got chocolate my peanut butter.

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It was like, well, this
is obviously a good idea. So

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as we were trying to figure out
what the hell we were gonna do,

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we knew we wanted to do a
movie podcast about the fact that we love

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eclectic movies. We love horror movies, we love comedies, we love kid

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movies, we love anything that entertains
us. And we don't want to pick

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anything apart. We want to celebrate. That's like the big thing. So

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In fact, one of the first
concepts I came up with after we came

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up with the title do You Even
Movie, which I literally just spat out

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when we were about to watch a
movie in the theater. I was like,

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what if it called do you Even? Movie? And he was like

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yes. But the next time I
came up with was the idea of the

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tagline being They're not reviewers, They're
enthusiasts, because it's not about reviewing movies,

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it's about celebrating them. It's about
nerding out and having a good time

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talking about them. So that was
the birth of it. And on top

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of that, in many ways,
the Freddie Podcast was like a prototype for

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it. We did a year a
year of practice episodes to get to smooth

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everything out and really learn our groove. I also built a studio as we

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were doing it. When we started
doing the Freddie's Podcast, it was literally

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Dave and I in my cramped office. My office is not big, it

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is very small. It's where I
do weekly Spooky It's basically a sound booth,

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and so Dave would squeeze in and
we would close the door to keep

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the dogs out because literally if they
got in there, we would all fall

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into each other, you know,
it would be too much. And we

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were literally doing the show like within
three feet of each other. And eventually

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I was like, okay, fine, I'll build a I'll build a studio.

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And then it kept growing and then
it was like, okay, now

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it's a podcast studio. Okay,
now it's a podcast video studio. So

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now not only is the show a
podcast, but it's on YouTube as well,

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much like your podcast is. And
we have our little set, which

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I mean, I'm there right now, I'm broadcasting to you from the dou

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Even Movie Studio. But it's been
really fun. We just recorded I think

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it was either episode twelve or thirteen, which was we covered my Bloody Valentine,

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which we'll have out for Valentine's Day. Yes, so nice. We've

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been having a blast with it.
And again like such a duh thing.

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It's like, well, we always
get together on Tuesdays anyway. Now we

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just get together on Tuesdays, watch
a movie, then do a podcast.

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Right, So I was gonna say
the last one I listened to was the

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one where you guys were talking about
Ravenous. Oh yeah, that was a

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fun episode. Yeah it was.
And I love the way you guys kicked

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back and forth with one another.
But anyway, I didn't mean to cut

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you off. I oh, no, you're fine. No no, I

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was going on much much longer tirade
than even I was expecting from No,

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no, no, keep going.
It's job, that's fair. But yeah,

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so that's that's really where it came
from. And also like the fact

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that we do I mean, it's
a pretty high quality program. The the

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video aspect is a three camera shoot. We do the switching live. Because

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the one big rule of Do You
Even Movie is the hen Man is very

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busy. My full time job is
making films, distributing films, and doing

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weekly spooky. Those are my jobs
my main jobs. Anything else is like

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we're seeing what happens and having a
fun time. So Dave does all the

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legwork on do You Even? Movie, but then I do all the production

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work. So when we do the
show, it's literally cutting live, Like

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the camera angles are changing while we're
live, so that when the show is

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over and I say bye Dave,
I hit incode and the show is done.

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There's no no editing, there's no
weaking. It is. It is

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done, one and done. Because
I don't have the time well, I

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would tell you more. I watch
a lot of football, and I don't

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know if you're a football fan or
not, but I watch a lot of

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football. And when I watched you
two together, it was like the colored

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commentary guy and the Playboy play guy. Oh yeah, no, that's I.

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I'm horrifically inspired by professional wrestling commentaries. When I was a kid,

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I watched World Championship Wrestling like it
was a religion, and I I loved

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My favorite commentary team was Larry's Obisco
and Tony Shavani because Zabisco was just goofy

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enough, although I did love when
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Keenan was a nut and he always
had something off the wall to say.

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But uh no, I that's and
that's definitely kind of how I look

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at myself on that show as I'm
the color commentator of the movie. Dave

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has the notes, Dave has the
rundowns, and I'm just there going like

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I'm gonna make a joke one of
these times. I'm like a j and

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uh and also, you know,
maybe playing a sound effect or whatever,

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you know, because I've got the
soundboard, you know, I'm the I'm

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I'm the tech guy. So it's
it's been a really fun experiment and we

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have no intention of slowing it down. We're just gonna keep doing episodes and

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we actually I don't know what's gonna
happen with this, but we actually packaged

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eight episodes of do You Even?
Movie, and we have placed it on

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the market as a television series.
So it's it's I mean, I've done

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it before. I did that with
Popcorn Fodder. We placed that on the

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market as a TV series. It
ended up on tub and a few other

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places. We did that with Found
Footage the series. It ended up on

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tub and a few other Roku channels
and stuff like that. Yeah. Well,

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of course, so I'm curious if
a talk show about movies might end

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up on some streaming services. So
I figured what the hey, I packaged

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a few up, sent them out
and now, as usual, who knows

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when we'll find out. Well,
that's amazing and uh, it truly is.

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And you struck a chord with me
with wrestling. I was at the

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Days of the Dead this past weekend. Mick Foley was sitting right behind me.

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Oh that's awesome. Yeah, he's
pretty cool dude. But you know

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that Saturday, instead of going out
after Days of the Dead, we went

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back to the apartment and watched the
Royal Rumble. So we had to we

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had to have a night full of
wrestling. And I grew up on that

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as a kid too. Man,
I'm a little older. I went to

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pro wrestling school. Oh nice.
Oh no, I wanted to be a

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wrestler when I was a kid.
Well, even with your style and the

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way you look, not only a
wrestler, you would have been a fantastic

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manager. I mean, that's actually
what I did. I went to wrestling

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school. They train everybody the same, but I was. I did wrestling.

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I did managing wrestlers for about two
and a half years on and off,

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and I was I was. I
was the loud mouthpiece. And I

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remember I showed up to my first
day of training dressed the way I dress,

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and the promoter was just like,
well, you won't need much gimmick,

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will you, So I I and
I loved it. I really enjoyed

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it. It was one of those
like crossroads in my life. Yeah,

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where if wrestling had caught on before
film caught on, I might have a

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very different life. See you at
the royal rumble walking into the ring.

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Well, I will say I like
that it's unusual to get punched in the

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face when you make movies compared to
when you work at pro wrestling, because

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I got punched in the face,
kicked in the back, thrown down the

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concrete a few times, and I
can't say that I loved that, not

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a whole lot. No. Well, I cringe when people call it fake.

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I call it scripted because go take
the bumps they take and tell me

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it's fake. Now, taking pumps
hurts, man, But you're you'd be

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amazed how thick the muscles in your
back get from falling down over another again.

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Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure
I could talk. I could do

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a whole episode on wrestling. So
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path. Uh. I want to
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do, and you do a lot
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something that's helped me. And you've
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authors who want to get their stuff
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it has grown even from when I
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and growing and growing and growing.
So let's refresh our audience on what Weekly

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Spooky is and sure how you got
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was a brainchild of mine from about
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to get back into podcasting. I
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four. When podcasts were so new. You couldn't just click subscribe. You

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had to know how to copy the
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You had to know how to type
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I've always loved podcasting. But the
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you face this too, it's generating
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to say. Don't go away,
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One day. I was like,
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I have always loved doing that.
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on a like second date. I'll
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and writing partner on Boggie Creek the
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Room aka Hunting Inside, and he
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he became the guy who found the
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did the narration, I did the
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was often running pretty fast. So
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get a brand new narrated short story
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that's another thing I love about the
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long as it's horror, slash any
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Horror, sci fi, great horror, comedy, go for it,

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horror, Western, love it,
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let's make this happen. So that
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races. But the cruel truth of
podcasting is it is very hard to build

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an audience because while building an audience
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doesn't work that way. Podcasts you
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They have to choose to download it, they have to listen to it.

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It's a lot more involved. It's
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started out, I mean, we
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got to remember that. Like I
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years into my filmmaking career. I
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the same audience that wanted Weekly Spooky, which I accepted very early on.

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I was like, Okay, the
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give any crap about Weekly Spooky,
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about twenty percent of them give any
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and that's fair. You know,
they're totally different spaces. But at about

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the three year mark, we started
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I was just like sweet, I
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like, let's go, let's go. And it was because we kept finding

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these great authors. Because one thing
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not a great place to showcase short
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So where can you take a short
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read it, but read it.
While I do enjoy surfing Reddit for scary

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stories, they're a very specific genre
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of the like the fake first person
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mean they're just it's we're all suspending
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real account of something scary. What
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I wanted to be Tales from the
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you get a new story, you
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from or what it's going to be
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so I was very surprised to find
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on the show. It was not
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to the repertoire because everybody has these
great short stories and they just want people

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to hear them or read them,
so that that became a very rewarding part

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of Weekly Spooky. That I'd never
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more importantly than all of that,
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Well, it's it's a good it's
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writing a novel, if if I'm
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for me to put something down and
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know how many other authors experience what
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a great get away for me to
sit down, write a short story for

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the show and then listen to you
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my friend. The narration is so
so good you really care about it,

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and my audience. I'm telling you
this Weeklyspooky dot com is where it's

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at. And Henrik has said this
before, Enrique. Sorry, I'm gonna

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switch back. I've got that Southern
twain. I have to call you.

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Hey, you're all good. But
the great thing about Weekly Spooky and Henrik

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has said this a couple of times
on occasion, if you don't like the

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story you're listening, to go to
the next one, because you've got a

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little bit of everything. And he
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said, as long as it has
a horror element, you're gonna find something

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you like more than likely. And
there are very few that I've skipped.

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there are very very few and far
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Most of them are super entertaining.
We just published episode two hundred and forty

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seven. Oh my god, So
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did thirty one shows in thirty one
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just publishing like crazy. And that's
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two hours and people have been just
clamoring for longer stories and things like that,

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and honestly, I would do even
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time in a week. That's the
hardest part is finding the time because you're

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uh, and I appreciate your praise
about my narration. I put everything into

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it, and that wears my throat
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Sometimes I need to rest. But
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the hardest things are the true stories. Because we started when the third

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year was beginning, we made a
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get advertisers so that we could support
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with iHeartMedia, they they've been amazing
because they don't just they didn't just like

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monetize them show. They send me
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of ways to optimize our audience,
ways to optimize our content, and not

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like and not things like you know, don't have swearing or nothing like that.

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more time a week to see if
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and they were completely right. People
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and we've done almost sixty of those
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from them because at Christmas time they
depressed me. They because they're all accounts

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of true crimes, and boy do
they get sad. You know. You

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know, you have to sit there
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family murdered or something, and you're
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a break. I can't. I
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death makes people feel less afraid of
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sure. But yeah, so I've
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their stories heard, getting a chance
to Sometimes I forget that hearing a story

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of yours read out loud helps you
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of like the cadence of your writing. I don't even think of that because

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I have to, like I have
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record and record and record, right, So, I always get myself in

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a dark room, in a dark, quiet room, and then I try

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to scare myself while I read the
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that if I ever felt like I
couldn't sit in the mid with the mic

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and talk as if I was in
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them, then I should quit.
And so far, for over two hundreds

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episodes, I've been willing to sit
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person who's not there and try to
scare them. So, well, you're

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doing an excellent job, my friend. Weekly Spooky dot com. Go subscribe,

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go listen, subscribe, and you
got two hundred and forty seven episodes

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you can listen to right now.
So oh, and that's just the main

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Weekly Spooky. Then there's sixty some
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the talk show We We We.
It's grown a lot to the point

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where sometimes I refer to Weekly Spooky
as Spooky Universe, because it's like there's

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just so much going on that's not
wrong, that's actually right, and you

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know, the audious the audience can't
see my shirt because of the camera angle,

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but uh oh nice, Yeah he's
rocking the Weekly Spooky shirt. Yeah,

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rocking the Weekly Spooky shirt. I'm
I'm a I'm a dedicated fan of

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Weekly Spooky. It's done a lot
for me. It's got you know,

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it's got more. I've got more
exposure and more people have reached out to

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me, and I've probably made a
few more book sales from it. So

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I do appreciate, appreciate that,
Henry, Oh, well, it's my

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pleasure. I loved the when we
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on Weekly Spooky. I thought that
was brilliant And you really did a good

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job of giving me a first chapter
that could feel like a short story but

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could also feel like a first chapter. It didn't feel like a cop out.

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It had an ending to it,
but then you can go and if

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you like that, it actually keeps
going. You know. It was super

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fun and I'm glad that it helped
people discover the book, which turned out

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great. Well, I appreciate it. It did turn out great. I

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got to get you to narrate the
rest of it. You know, we

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could talk. We can talk.
Yeah, we could talk. We could

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talk. Now, there's another thing
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you know, I would if I
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I would love to go to one
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me about these. I don't want
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your films in the theater. You
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those, and I've seen the invites
and I've said interested, interested, interested.

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I live in South Carolina, but
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I want to know, you know, how you put those together and how

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does that feel when you get a
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movie. Well that was that was
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and massive supporter of my film work. And he called me up and said,

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hey, I've been doing movie screenings
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little family owned theater around here.
And he was like, hey, I've

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been doing screenings there and you know
they're not super expensive, So how about

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I book one showing a month and
you could show whatever you want from your

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catalog, and if the ticket sales
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I'll eat it. So he literally
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for me, just as a you
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the showings they vary a lot.
Like when we did a premiere of Smart

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House, a film I produced.
It was packed. It was really awesome.

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here we're talking about it. I
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well, and that was a great
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good premiere. And those were premieres
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all, some of the like showings
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while. You know, maybe twenty
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excuse to get together, hang out, talk about the movies. And nothing

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beats watching them on a big screen. Absolutely nothing beats it. When we

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showed Awkward Thanksgiving in the theater,
I could have cared less if anybody else

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had been in the theater. I'm
so pleased with how that film turned out.

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It turned out exactly the way I
wanted it to, so I was

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just happy to watch it again.
I was sitting there laughing at my own

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jokes without any shame. Awkward Thanksgiving
is a great movie, and I did

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watch it this past Thanksgiving. I
watched a round of Thanksgiving films and that

407
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.400
was in the rotation. Is it
still available on twov buch yet? Oh?

408
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.400
Yeah, yeah, Awkward Thanksgiving is
up on to be for your viewing

409
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:06.000
pleasure. Awesome, awesome, Well, yeah, I definitely want to get

410
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:07.599
to one of those one day.
I don't know. We'll see if I

411
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.319
can make it work and if we
can ever get together and talk about filming

412
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:17.880
some horror for twenty one The Road
to Tear. We maybe we can get

413
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.039
together during that, but I don't
know. Man, It's it's kind of

414
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.079
hard getting schedules to coincide. Oh, I mean, all filmmaking is is

415
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.559
scheduling. It's uh, and it's
my least favorite part is the scheduling.

416
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:41.920
Don't go away weekly, spooky,
We'll be right back switching gears again.

417
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:49.160
A few years ago, I was
looking through Amazon Prime and well, a

418
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:55.279
couple of years ago, I'd already
met you in this series kind of it

419
00:28:55.319 --> 00:29:00.480
was like a glow from above can
now and it was called Boggie Creek the

420
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:06.039
Series, and it was a series
about Bigfoot, and I was like,

421
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.039
this is cool as shit. So
I hit the play button, watched episode

422
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.000
one, got hooked, watched all
six episodes, and then after that I

423
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.400
was like, you know, this
is free on Amazon Prime, but I

424
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.640
want to own this permanently, so
I bought it on Amazon Prime for whatever

425
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.200
they were selling it for. I
forgot what it was. Well, to

426
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.440
my joy. Not very long ago, Henrik announced that he released the complete

427
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:36.839
first season of Boggie Creek the Series
on DVD, which I eagerly purchased a

428
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:41.960
copy and he signed it. And
I mean, talk to us about this

429
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.119
series, and you talked a little
bit on a previous podcast that we did,

430
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.039
but you know, for the audience
that didn't hear that, tell us

431
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.279
a little bit how this came to
be and then how you got it out

432
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.599
to the market on DVD. It
is such a cool set. I can't

433
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.519
wait to sit down and rewatch the
series. But the entire show was fun,

434
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.440
can't be and I love Bigfoot.
I thought he was a hero.

435
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.039
Actually foot, Oh well, and
that was actually one of our notes.

436
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.839
So Boggy Creek the series, I
would be remiss if I didn't mention was

437
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:17.559
the brainchild of cult filmmaking icon Fred
Olin Ray. Fred Olin Ray, who's

438
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.599
directed more than one hundred films and
produced one hundred more, came to me

439
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.759
and he said, I want to
do a Bigfoot TV series about Boggee Creek,

440
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.160
and I want you to produce and
direct it. And I was like,

441
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.279
well, hell, let's see what's
up. So he sent me he

442
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.000
wrote a bible for it, which
in television you have a bible which basically

443
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:41.359
just tells you what has to be
the case in every episode. So for

444
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.839
instance, like how the main characters
interact with each other, if there's any

445
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.200
development between them, or if they're
supposed to stay the same always, you

446
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.559
know, whether it's romantically, platonically
whatever, things like that. But one

447
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.920
of the big things in the bible
was Bigfoot can never be the villain unless

448
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.680
he's misunderstood. Nice. That was
something Fred was really into and I liked

449
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.000
that too. So as we were
prepping the show to shoot, which was

450
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.400
my first foray into television, we
had a pretty good time. I will

451
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.839
say it was a good example of
all the things you don't know coming to

452
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:22.880
get you, because I did not
realize what a journey it would be to

453
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:29.200
make six episodes, and it got
to a point where by I think episode

454
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.880
four, we'd ran out of every
I literally cast every actor I knew on

455
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.599
Earth in the series. So then
we had to keep finding new people and

456
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.279
finding new people and finding more because
you can't reuse the same people every episode.

457
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.240
It was very much like The X
Files. You know, it's a

458
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.759
main story, but there's a b
story that's brand new every week. And

459
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.759
I enjoyed making the show. It
was very stressful. It was a very

460
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.640
stressful time in my life. But
I got to work with Brink Stevens whose

461
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.480
horror movie Royalty, got to work
with Eric Roberts, who was just Hollywood

462
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.240
Royalty, and I had a really
great time with it. I think that,

463
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.279
you know, six episodes gets across
a lot of fun stuff. Myself

464
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.119
and Dan Wilder, so fred Ray
wrote two episodes. He wrote the first

465
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.839
and second episode, and then he
told Dan and I, well, he

466
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.039
told me, and then I brought
Dan and as my writing partner to come

467
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.680
up with more episodes and pitch them. So we pitched all kinds of stuff,

468
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.000
and much to my shock, two
of the most ridiculous pitches I made

469
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.240
made it. One of them was
yeah, they got the green light,

470
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.920
and one of them was Bigfoot versus
a scare a killer scarecrow. I love

471
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:43.680
that it turned out awesome. It
turned out awesome, but I just did

472
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.799
not think that Fred would go for
it. I thought maybe it was a

473
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.200
little too campy, but our concept
wasn't super campy. It's just the idea

474
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.039
of it being a killer scarecrow.
Literally. Fred was like, as long

475
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.359
as you think you can make the
killer scarecrow suit in your budget, because

476
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.400
the sasquatchuit cost a lot of money, so you know, he was like,

477
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.000
as long as you can pull off
the killer scarecrow on your budget,

478
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.240
do that one. And the other
one was an episode we titled that Dan

479
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:14.039
and I jokingly called Beauty and the
Bigfoot, which is Bigfoot meets slumber party

480
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.640
massacre basically, And that's another one
that I was like, I did not

481
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:20.720
think Fred would say, Hell,
yeah, you do. The one where

482
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.920
the girls are having a slumber party
and a killer crashes the party and then

483
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.720
Bigfoot saves them. I did not
think we would get to make that that

484
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.720
we did, so and Dan O. Dan Wilder wrote every one of those

485
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.440
episodes. You wrote the four episodes
that Fred did not. Fred did do

486
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:42.599
some rewriting. Fred definitely toned us
down in the obscenely camping, campy space,

487
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.920
which I think worked well for the
show. Honestly. He made it

488
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.680
less outrageous and a little bit more
cerebral, which I think was a good

489
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.680
idea because we didn't want to make
like a super gory show or anything like

490
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.839
that. But like, we had
ideas where like there was a severed head

491
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.519
revealed that Fred was like, how
about instead of a severed head rolling into

492
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.200
the room, we have an apple
roll into the room, but then when

493
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.839
you pick it up, it's bloody, you know. Like he had those

494
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:07.840
ideas, and I was like,
you know, that is kind of scarier.

495
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.880
I do have to you had there
with a severed head. I'd like

496
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.480
to see that. We never got
to make it, so we never made

497
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:21.960
the severed head, but we had
a really good time coming up with those

498
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.599
and on the Boggy Creek the series
DVD, three of the episodes have commentary,

499
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.320
and two of them are myself and
Dan Wilder, the writer, talking

500
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:37.039
about, you know, our experiences
putting the show together as far as getting

501
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.079
it out on DVD. Finally,
that actually had nothing to do with me.

502
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:45.920
That was all Retromedia and Bayview Entertainment. They have worked together for a

503
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.599
very long time. I know a
couple of the people at Bayview. They've

504
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.000
always been cool to me, but
I had never done business with them directly.

505
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.119
And one day Fred just sent me
a text message. It was like,

506
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.880
Hey, I'm authoring the DVD for
Boggy Creek right now. If you

507
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.039
want to get a commentary in,
just get it to me by the end

508
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.000
of the weekend. And I was
like, oh, okay. So I

509
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.719
literally came into the studio and put
on the episodes that recorded the commentary tracks.

510
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.800
So you had you had time to
do three, that's awesome. I

511
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.199
had, well, and I didn't. I felt like three was the right

512
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.199
amount because I felt like if I
tried to do a commentary for every episode,

513
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:22.039
I'd just start repeating myself a lot. Or because I love doing commentaries,

514
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:23.280
but there is a point where all
you can really say is oh,

515
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.280
that's so and so, Yeah,
that line's funny. I like them so

516
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.239
I felt like three episodes was just
enough time for me to get across everything

517
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.719
I experienced on the whole series and
then we can move on. And it

518
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.519
was nice to have Dan Wilder join
me on two of the commentary tracks.

519
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:45.199
Now, everyone go pick up your
copy of Boggy Creek the series at henflicks

520
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.679
dot com. H n f l
i X dot com. Uh, if

521
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.639
you get it at henflix dot com, I mail it directly to you and

522
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.599
I'll sign it just a just as
a favor. Now, I wanted to

523
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.840
jump to something else real quick.
It's not quite horror. It's it's the

524
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:06.119
way I watched Jesse James unchained and
poor uh, poor Ray. He was

525
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.159
on the podcast. He called it
Jango unchained, so he had that.

526
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.639
Sorry sorry about that, Ray,
but Jesse James unchained. I've enjoyed,

527
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.039
uh, you know the Westerns that
I've seen, and I enjoyed that one.

528
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.119
I didn't even know when it came
out. One day. You said

529
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.519
it was on tub, so I
watched it on tub and uh it was.

530
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.719
I really enjoyed it. Uh with
John Walking stick Hambrick and uh and

531
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.920
Rachel Uh yeah, read Dolphine.
I make sure I'll say her name properly,

532
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.239
but she was so good. Man. Tell me about that movie and

533
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.960
what wouldn't maake in it? Well, that was an interesting experience. The

534
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.559
reason it came out kind of suddenly
was we did that one for it TN

535
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.440
Distribution, so they owned it before
we even filmed it. Uh, they

536
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:52.800
financed it and I made it for
them, and it was based on a

537
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:58.519
screenplay by John o'dalton. And John
Dalton is my guy to go to for

538
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:04.480
western scripts because he loves westerns and
every single exchange of dialogue you can hear

539
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.320
how much he loves westerns. He
really elevates the material. Especially when you're

540
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.639
making a Western for the cost of
a used car. You don't really get

541
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.079
to have the massive shootout scenes.
You don't really get to have the big

542
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.760
old West towns and the old churches
and the bells ringing. You have to

543
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:28.000
be creative. And when I made
that film for itn unfortunately. I started

544
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.519
it in November of twenty twenty,
right as the lockdown was easing up,

545
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:38.480
and then there was a surge of
COVID in the Ohio Valley. And on

546
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.679
top of that, after our first
weekend of shooting, we had a week

547
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.679
off or two weeks off, and
then we're supposed to come back, and

548
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.599
two of our crew people got COVID
during that two weeks off, so it

549
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.119
got a little too close. Then
the weather started getting cold, so I

550
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.440
told itn hey, we're gonna hold
off to winter breaks, which will be

551
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.840
March, and they were like,
that's fine. We expected there to be

552
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.280
delays, and then what did I
do. My dumb butt in January got

553
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.760
COVID, but it stuck around with
me for months and months and months,

554
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:13.320
so it ended up being about April, I want to say April when we

555
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.039
finally got back into full, full
tilt and boogie producing that movie. And

556
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.920
I was actually still very ill while
I was directing it, and it was

557
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.480
the only time I'd ever directed entirely
from chairs. I had to sit.

558
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.239
I was just like I had no
energy, and Rachel was the whipcracker.

559
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:34.760
She was the producer and the star, so I was basically living as her

560
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.320
employee. I would start pacing and
she'd be like, stop pacing, I

561
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.079
need you to make it till five
o'clock. Sit down and rest until it's

562
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.960
time to shoot. They'd be like, okay, god, sorry, she

563
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.559
was watch I was gonna say she
shared some of that with me, man,

564
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.360
and I'd really admire her for what
she was able to do. But

565
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:53.840
I'll let you continue. But I
just want to throw that in there.

566
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:59.559
She's a she's a spitfire man,
and she's seems like she knows what she's

567
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.119
doing and is very organized. Yeah, she's become in the last few years,

568
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.280
she's become really a pretty incredible producer, which actually all started with Boggie

569
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:14.039
Creek. Because remember I said I
had no idea how big of an undertaking

570
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.039
it was going to be. Once
I realized that I was screwed if I

571
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.320
kept doing things the way I used
to do them, I brought Rachel on

572
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.880
as a producer and that was the
first thing she ever produced, was the

573
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.400
final two and a half parts.
Two and a half episodes of Boggie Creek

574
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.679
were produced by Rachel Nice. So
she really pulled it together. But yeah,

575
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.519
it wasn't for Rachel. I don't
think Jesse James would have gotten done.

576
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.239
I don't know how it would have
at least not, you know,

577
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.239
in a reasonable amount of time.
So we got that film shot, we

578
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.559
got it cut, we got it
scored, we got it sent off to

579
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.760
ITN and ITN they're pros. They
know how to get movies out. They

580
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.880
know to cut great trailers, they
know to make great posters. They don't

581
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.559
warn you. It's just one day. You just like wake up and you're

582
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.400
like, oh, it's out,
okay, and then you'd tell everybody,

583
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.079
Hey, it's out. So and
they've I mean, they've recently had a

584
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.440
bunch of big successes. They were
the company behind Pooh, Blood and Honey

585
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.840
the Winny the Pooh horror movie.
Ye so that, yeah, me too,

586
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.679
and and so they you know,
they that's the same company we did

587
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.119
Smart House for We we did that
for them. We also made A Girl

588
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.440
in the Crawl Space, Scarecrow County
and Ouiji Room were distributed by ITN as

589
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:28.519
well. So they're one of my
my better business partnerships. And I enjoy

590
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.639
working with them there. They respect
our artistry, they don't dabble, and

591
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.920
they don't make you change a lot. They kind of give you freedom.

592
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.480
So I like working with them.
And yeah, so I was very proud

593
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.280
of Jesse James. But I have
to admit that I didn't really remember much

594
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.119
about the movie until I saw it
in the theater and then it all came

595
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.320
flooding back that I really remembered making
that movie, and I do feel like,

596
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.960
even with all of the problems I
was going through, it's a very

597
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.159
well shot and thought out movie.
One funny thing is a lot of the

598
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.480
reason the movie, in my opinion, looks so good is because the camera

599
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.679
was low because I was sitting filming, so I had to have the camera

600
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.119
down with me, so we kept
shooting. So we kept shooting through like

601
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:21.079
tall grass and stuff. Yeah,
yeah, clicking in my head, okay,

602
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.880
And I remember making that decision,
like I was sitting low and I

603
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.599
was like, well, the camera
could be low too, and then I

604
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.679
was like, oh, the grass
in the foreground looks really cool. And

605
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.440
before I knew it, like every
time there was a dramatic moment in that

606
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:37.039
movie, it was shooting through grass. So and I remember when we came

607
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.679
out to finish filming that movie.
We shot on this large piece of property

608
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.639
my friends Pam and Joe own and
Joe came out and he was like,

609
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.079
I just wanted to say real quick, thank you very much. And I

610
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.000
was like, for what, Joe, And he was like, well,

611
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.119
Pam said, y'all are filming back
there, and that means I don't have

612
00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.920
to mow the thirty acres in the
back. So nice. So he got

613
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.800
him out of chores for the week. We're good people like that, that's

614
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.679
right. Joe was appreciative for sure. Let's talk about the I want to

615
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:08.880
give another shout out to Ray.
He did the music for that movie.

616
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.880
Correct, Yes, Ray Maddis Ray
mattis great, great guy man, great

617
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.480
guy. And that was a great
score in that film. And he said

618
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.760
it was a little more challenging for
him to do a Western score. So

619
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.920
I like the challenge. That's my
favorite thing to do with him, seriously,

620
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.280
is just give him something he would
never imagine doing, because he always

621
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.360
surprises me, and always in a
good way. Most of the films I've

622
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.320
done for him, I can get
the end credits song stuck in my head,

623
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.239
like really badly. They're always so
catchy, they always grab really hard.

624
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:45.480
So I want to circle back around
to Smart House. I I did

625
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.440
want to talk about that a little
bit. You know, John talked about

626
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.360
it when he was on the podcast
last year it was coming out. I

627
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.440
watched it on to be over the
holiday season, maybe a little before,

628
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:01.360
but Iabu was amazing I'm not sure
who. And John may have told me,

629
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.639
but not sure who was doing the
voice of the smart House. Oh

630
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.239
that was Brank Stevens. Okay,
okay, yeah, Horror Movie Royalty brings

631
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.159
Stevens yep, yep, yeah,
And I think that's I think he mentioned

632
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.320
that. But anyway, tell me
how you know you got pulled into smart

633
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.159
House. I thought it was a
great plot. I thought the story was

634
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.880
really good, it was well shot. Loved Iyaboo's character for sure. But

635
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.119
let's talk about smart House a little
bit. Tell me how you put that

636
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.119
together and help John. So.
Smart House was a concept that came from

637
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.960
our buddy Richard Pierce. And Richard
has especially now has made a real career

638
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:44.880
for himself writing lifetime movies. He's
written like Lifetime movie thrillers and and things

639
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:49.960
like that. And smart House was
a pitch he had made that got rejected

640
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.800
from for the Lifetime Original movies.
And for those who scoff about Lifetime Original

641
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:59.719
movies, the best budgets you can
get in indie cinema are to make movies

642
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.880
for life Time. I'm serious.
Lifetime is they they are a machine.

643
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:06.960
They know how to make the movies. Their audience likes. They're very good

644
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.039
at that. So we had this
kind of woman in peril script or concept,

645
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.800
which we eventually wrote into a script. So John wanted to do it

646
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.480
no matter what, and we both
agreed that we wanted ed to star in

647
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.280
it. So I went to John
and I said, hey, I'll see

648
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.440
if i could sell this to ITN, because you know, I've seld a

649
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.119
couple of movies to them. ITN
bought it, and we were off to

650
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:34.400
the races were they bought it,
like October thirtieth, and then we were

651
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.719
filming by the start of December,
so we were like off to the races,

652
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.400
just cranking out footage. And I
do think it turned out really well.

653
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.719
I think it's one of my best
looking I shot it as well as

654
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:45.840
producing it. I was the director
of photography. I think it's one of

655
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.639
my best looking movies. I had
an opportunity to do a lot of fun,

656
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.960
silly things with the lights. Eyaboo
is really fun to photograph because she's

657
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.280
especially back then she was still in
her blonde era, so she was just

658
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.360
like this big, this tall,
beaming blonde energy that I always like to

659
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.840
capture under like a little bit of
blue light and stuff like that, and

660
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.760
we just had a blast with it. And a lot of us on that

661
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:15.679
movie were still kind of shaking the
cobwebs from COVID nineteen, from the lockdowns

662
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.800
of the pandemic and everything. We
were all still kind of shaking the cobwebs

663
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:29.840
from that Don't go Away Weekly,
Spooky will be right back. I had

664
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.920
done one movie since the Lockdown,
but like John Dalton had not, this

665
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.360
was his, you know, his
return to form, and I really do

666
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.880
think it's in many ways his best. I think it's paced extremely well.

667
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.599
I think it looks cool. I
think that the I think that the little

668
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.880
Cassandra, which is basically like an
Amazon Echo kind of device that you know,

669
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.280
controls this woman's house, that was
probably the best part. I called

670
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.679
up my production designer and good buddy, Jeff Turner, and I told him

671
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.880
about the movie and I sent him
this script and I said, can you

672
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.159
make the Cassandra device? And the
next day he sends me a text or

673
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.159
he sends me a text and has
a video of him like saying, Cassandra,

674
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.320
turn on the lights and it like
lights up all red and he goes,

675
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.880
Cassandra kill everybody, and it starts
like blinking red and I was like,

676
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.039
hold, it's done already. He
was like, yeah, yeah,

677
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:22.760
it's got a remote control that makes
it light up. And I was like,

678
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.760
wow, it's amazing. How much
do I owe you? And he

679
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.360
was like, oh, I made
it with leftover parts I had laying around.

680
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.719
Do you just come and take it? So I still have it in

681
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.199
box in my in my garage.
I'm thinking that I'm gonna sneak it into

682
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:44.079
the backgrounds of other movies. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So in fact,

683
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.920
we're we're getting ready. We're like
really finally gearing up to shoot Babysitter

684
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.880
Massacre two. We have we're about
to lock our shoot dates in March,

685
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.280
and I might you are on my
mental level because I was about to segue

686
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:59.039
into that that was my next thing. So keep going. He's making my

687
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:04.079
job so easy, guys, keep
going, Well, we're finally ready.

688
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:09.039
So because Babysitter Massacre Too had a
tumultuous development period and then a very tumultuous

689
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.400
I don't know, it's like hard
to describe how difficult things have been for

690
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:19.440
that sequel, as if the pressure
of making a sequel to my most beloved

691
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.880
horror movie wasn't enough pressure what we
financed on Kickstarter, and then we were

692
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.480
getting ready to film and then there
was a honestly a very tragic death in

693
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.960
the family of one of our lead
actors. And I wanted to I don't

694
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.599
want to name anybody because I just
crivacy, understand, understanding, but like,

695
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.159
it was one of the actors I
work with a lot, who I'm

696
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.079
very close with personally. Like I
went to the funeral and I knew how

697
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.119
close they were with their father,
and I was like, Hey, take

698
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.320
some time, get right, it's
gonna be okay. We've got all the

699
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.880
time in the world to film this. And of course, you know,

700
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.000
if I said we have all the
time in the world, that means that

701
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.599
it was right before the COVID pandemic. It was. It was literally November

702
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.840
of twenty nineteen when we were like, we'll postpone until until April of twenty

703
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.000
twenty. It'll be great by the
March. Yeah, February. March hit

704
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.639
the fan. So then we were
trying to figure out how to get the

705
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:20.280
production together in twenty twenty, and
it just wouldn't happen. And then in

706
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.599
twenty twenty one, I was sick
almost over half the year I was ill,

707
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.079
so it just feels like every time
we get some momentum going, something

708
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.960
would knock us over. So now
but I'm fed up on it. I

709
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.320
want to see this through. I
mean, there's no not doing it period.

710
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.000
So John Dalton was kind enough to
step up as my producing partner on

711
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.880
it and really helped me because at
this point we've made three movies together.

712
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.079
He knows every way that I work, and I know every way he works,

713
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.280
so it'll in some ways be like
the opposite of how we work together.

714
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:58.960
So he's going to help me book
talent and schedule everything and get everybody

715
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:00.840
together, but then I'm going to
show up and direct it, as opposed

716
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.079
to the way we normally do it, which is he books a lot of

717
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.800
people and then I help and then
I show up and shoot it, but

718
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:08.880
he directs it. This time around, I'm going to show up and direct

719
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.239
it. But I'm really looking forward
to it. We have some new faces,

720
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.840
some people I've never worked with before
are going to be appearing in it.

721
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.519
Some familiar faces will be in it
as well, and it's a very

722
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.840
different movie than I had originally envisioned. But I'm learning to just embrace that,

723
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000
because that was the other big problem
was by the time we were ready

724
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.960
to be able to shoot again,
some of the actors had moved away,

725
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:35.079
or they were in a different part
of life where they'd had children or whatever

726
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.880
it was. You know, life
happens. And then there was that moment

727
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.360
where I just felt so guilty that
the movie in my head could never exist.

728
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.320
And now I'm like, nah,
I don't care anymore. I rewrote

729
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.400
the script. I like that script
better, so let's go do it.

730
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.480
Let's go, you know. So, So with any luck, principal photography

731
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.119
will be wrapped at the end of
March of twenty twenty four, and then

732
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:01.239
we will cut that sucker and hopefully
it'll be out before Christmas because it's a

733
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.159
Christmas horror movie, so we we
gotta hit that, you know, we

734
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.960
gotta scratch that itch. Oh man, that's gonna be amazing. I'll definitely,

735
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.039
definitely, And ironically, Babysitter Massacre
three is like, I have to

736
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:19.559
finish sound mixing it like Babysitter because
three we shot early. We shot part

737
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.559
three early, so it's actually been
done, so three we just I mean,

738
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.519
it's got a score for Bray Mattis. It's directed by my writing partner,

739
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.079
Dan Wilder. He is his first
feature film as a director, and

740
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:36.039
I'm very excited to unveil that to
everybody. I just need to find the

741
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:40.039
time to finish sound mixing it and
it's ready, so oh man, that

742
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.960
is something to look forward to for
sure. Yeah. This interesting. This

743
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:51.159
year is gonna be very interesting.
All right. Well, Henrik, I

744
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:55.880
don't want to end this podcast without
bringing up something or someone that was near

745
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.800
and dear to your heart. And
he became near dear to my heart just

746
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.159
from all the posts that you made
about him. And he's a good,

747
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:10.000
good little boy. Yeah, and
it's Henrik's uh dog, uh Chicano who

748
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:16.800
recently passed away. Henrick uh did
everything he could. Chicano fought the fight,

749
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.519
and you know we Henrick, I'm
sure you know his heartbroken. I'm

750
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:30.639
heartbroken for him. Uh. But
while Chikano was fighting and trying to recover

751
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.559
from his illness, you know,
Henrick racked up some veterinary bills around that,

752
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.320
and uh, you know we can
help Heinrick out a little bit there.

753
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.480
Uh, I'm gonna post the link
below help Chicano dot com. I

754
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.519
believe it's the correct website it is
to go to. But I'm gonna be

755
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.679
quiet for a minute and stop rambling. I'm gonna let Henrik talk to you

756
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.400
about Chicano, what he meant to
him, and uh, you know how

757
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.079
you how you can help. Sure, No, I I appreciate it.

758
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.599
It's it's it's still a little hard
to talk about. But yeah, I

759
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.760
had a rescue dog named Chicano.
I mean I named him that, But

760
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.400
I had a rescue dog. I
adopted him when he was seven years old,

761
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:20.639
and he was a he was a
broken dog. It's hard to remember

762
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:27.599
that because he grew to be so
beautiful and excited and happy. That's why

763
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.599
it's hard. I'm not even crying
because he's gone. I'm crying because I

764
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.920
hated that that was his life at
some time. So I got him when

765
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.199
he was about seven years old.
I'm one of those foolish people who adopt

766
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:45.119
senior dogs. And that's why I'm
crying right now, because you don't get

767
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:46.239
a lot of time. You don't
get a lot of time with dogs,

768
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.840
no matter when you get them,
but especially when you get them when they're

769
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:54.119
already adults. But he was this
beautiful, fluffy mutt, and he had

770
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.480
the best demeanor. Happy dog had
no reason to be happy. He had

771
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:07.880
been a band on the day after
Thanksgiving and he had arthritis and the owners

772
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:09.360
just didn't want to deal with it. He was slow, he didn't want

773
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.960
to play as much or some shit. And I saw him and I was

774
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.440
like, what a beautiful dog.
And I took him in and he was

775
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:22.440
afraid of everything, and I watched
him blossom into a sweet, loving dog

776
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.639
who trusted people and loved other animals. And I took him on adventures.

777
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.320
I took him to the drive in
out in Pennsylvania for a weekend and we

778
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.960
camped. We had a great time. And unfortunately the last two years he

779
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.039
was fighting cancer. At first it
wasn't a vicious fight. It was just

780
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.079
surgery, and then another surgery,
and on the third surgery we realized that

781
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:50.719
he had to have chemo, and
that was when things got serious. So

782
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:59.840
the exact number is roughly twenty two
thousand dollars is what I spent fighting His

783
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:07.119
answer, I don't regret it at
all, And overall it was a good

784
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.119
fight. He went into remission once. It didn't last very long. But

785
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.599
and this is hard to say,
but it's the truth. I'm proud of

786
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:22.360
the fact cancer did not take Chiicano. Chicano died because he had severe osteoarthritis.

787
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.599
He could not he was suffering every
minute he was awake. That's the

788
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.320
truth. And it was not related
to his cancer. The problem was that

789
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.519
the year that he was getting chemotherapy
treatments and stuff, he also aged a

790
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.440
year. Yeah, that was the
problem. So the cancer didn't even have

791
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:45.199
a chance to try to come back. He just couldn't. He couldn't walk

792
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.920
anymore. But he was a He
was a tough boy and a smart boy

793
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.199
and a bright boy. I don't
regret taking him in. I don't regret

794
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.320
spending all the money on him.
I don't regret having to say goodbye to

795
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:06.760
him. He was amazing. So
I'll never I'll I you know, if

796
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:13.039
I never am lucky again, I
win so. But yeah, so if

797
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.239
you know, if you're a dog
lover out there and you want to help

798
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.800
a little bit, I do appreciate
it. I have paid off more than

799
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.000
half of the debt thanks to people
helping on gofund me. Also, you

800
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:27.840
know, folks, when we did
thirty one episodes a weekly Spooky in October

801
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.320
that was really because the ad revenue
would help me pay off his debt.

802
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.320
Right, So, but I can't
lie. You know. People are always

803
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.320
asking like, is there anything I
can do since he passed, and it's

804
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.760
like, well, the emotional pain
will fade, but financially I could use

805
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.519
a little bit of help. It
does sting paying those bills and he's gone,

806
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.760
so I don't know. I became
kind of a rambler there. But

807
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.440
he was great. I loved him. I loved him so much, and

808
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.760
and I hosted a show called Popcorn
Fodder with him and my other dog,

809
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.679
hen Wolf that I will always cherish, those episodes where he and her were

810
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.920
interchangeably on the couch with me and
and stuff like that. She's sleeping on

811
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:14.119
my feet right now. She is, she is unconscious with her back on

812
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.599
my feet. And unfortunately she is
also elderly. So I'm that was the

813
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.079
other reason that it was so hard, was just that they were both declining

814
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:28.039
at the same time. Yeah,
so but that's you know what, when

815
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.840
you love a dog, you you
make an agreement. You make an agreement

816
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.840
to to to be with them,
to make the hard decisions for them.

817
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:42.840
And I take that job very seriously
and I know that now more than I

818
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.719
ever have since, uh since Miller
came into my life. So yeah,

819
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.559
I love your dog. I love
seeing the pictures of him being a goofball

820
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.239
and stuff. They're so he's a
He's a hyper beagle, is what he

821
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.599
is. And I wouldn't trade him
for the world. So while I don't

822
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.719
understand your pain because I haven't gone
through it yet, I realized what it

823
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.360
what Chikano meant to you, because
you know, my dog means that to

824
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.559
me. So yeah, guys,
if you want to help, you just

825
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.840
go to help Chicano dot com and
uh whatever you can donate to help the

826
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:21.280
help the build that gets appreciated,
you know, or even just you know,

827
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:22.880
listen to Weekly Spooky and send it
a message and say, hey,

828
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.960
I love your show. That makes
me. That helps too. Life.

829
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:30.559
Life is more than money. I
also want to mention I got a lovely

830
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:37.519
message on Weekly Spooky from somebody sending
condolences for Chicano and they wanted me to

831
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.599
know that a year ago, they
adopted a dog and named it Chicano because

832
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.360
they heard me talk about it on
the show and they thought it was a

833
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.599
cool name. And I didn't realize
how happy that would make me. But

834
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:52.000
that made me really happy. That
is pretty cool. That is really cool,

835
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.760
super happy. So uh yeah,
I mean when you love any person

836
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.480
or any animal, you take the
risk that that love will will or that

837
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:06.079
that not that the love will end, but that you know they will leave

838
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.119
in some way, that they will
pass away or they'll move away or whatever.

839
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.920
You know, whether you're talking about
an animal or a person, that's

840
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.280
just the gamble you make for love. But life without love is not life

841
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.159
at all, exactly. Well,
I'll tell you we raised two children,

842
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.159
and you know, I love my
kids with all my heart and being.

843
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:28.639
And you know, I'm coming up
as an adult. I heard people call

844
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.719
them dogs or kids and all that
stuff like pat, they're not your kids,

845
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:36.599
blah blah blah, this dog's my
kid. I mean, I've never

846
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:38.719
had any children, but I mean
I think that, you know, I

847
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:44.360
I I love my pets, but
I've two dogs my entire life. I

848
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:49.360
had Chicano and I have hen Wolf, and uh and uh, It's it's

849
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.280
tough because like they they are,
you know, you get very paternal to

850
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.199
them, but they're but you know, it is different, unfortunately, you

851
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.920
know, because you always outlive them
and yeah, uh, and it's hard

852
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:05.599
because two thirds of all dogs have
to be have to be euthanized. Yeah,

853
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.039
I know, I'd like to talk
about a heavy topic, but like,

854
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:15.239
but there's no bigger expression of love
than looking at your dog's situation and

855
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.480
knowing it's time to say goodbye and
saying I will not make you live for

856
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.519
me. You know, I will
not make you suffer and hope that I

857
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:29.400
can help your suffering. I will
acknowledge that I know you. You are

858
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.880
my dog. And when I look
in your face, you can't do this

859
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.559
anymore, right, you know,
I think, but I think that that's

860
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.159
like a level of love that is
so special. Oh it is, it

861
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.679
is, and I felt it,
and it's so caful, and well when

862
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.880
I look into into his eyes and
he looks back into mind, there's something

863
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.960
there. Oh yeah. Past weekend
when I went to the Days of the

864
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:52.840
Dad, I had to leave him
home. My wife took care of him.

865
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.239
But you know, in my head, well, she's not walking him

866
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.760
right, she's not doing this right, she's not doing that right. That's

867
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.000
not the way you want this done. And then I get back he's jumping

868
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.000
all over and releaking me in the
face. She said, it wasn't that

869
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.559
bad. You were You were fine. Nothing beats when they're happy to have

870
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.320
you back. That was That was
the thing. That was actually how I

871
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.320
realized Chiacano liked me was the first
time I went away, he lost his

872
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:19.159
mind. When I came back and
I was like, dude, you barely

873
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.400
like me, I thought, And
he was just like And it was from

874
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:23.719
that moment on after my first trip
that I was like, now, this

875
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:28.320
dog loves me and I love him. So it's a it's a special bond.

876
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.519
It's a special bond. I'm glad
that you guys are experiencing it because

877
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:36.320
it brings a lot of as my
my my late aunt Betty used to say,

878
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:38.920
Uh, them dogs are a whole
lot of company. Yeah, that's

879
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.480
what she used to always say about
her dogs. They're a whole lot of

880
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.639
company. She was from Kentucky.
She had lots of wisdom. She got

881
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:52.840
that southern too. Oh man,
yeah, man, I can't imagine.

882
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.320
I can't imagine being without my boy. Now, Miller, he's a he's

883
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.199
a good boy. Well, I'm
hoping you won't have to imagine that for

884
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.639
at least like four teen years.
Yeah. Well, I'm almost fifty five.

885
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.719
This is more but he might hell
it me, but I digress here

886
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:15.920
goo Miller, we're in a race, but damn. All right, well,

887
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.039
I'm gonna be quiet again. I'm
gonna put links below, but I

888
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.519
want you to plug anything you want
to plug. Tellhim where they can find

889
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:24.360
Henrick. I know a couple of
good spots you can find him at.

890
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.360
But uh, Heinrick, take it
away. Let us know where we can

891
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.119
find you. Sure. Yeah,
you can find almost anything about me at

892
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:36.480
my official website, which is incredibly
handsome dot com which is that is my

893
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.239
official website that has links to the
TV shows, the movies, the music,

894
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:45.000
the podcasts, Weeklyspooky dot com for
Weekly Spooky and uh yeah, really

895
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.599
incredibly handsome dot com will get you
just about anything. And of course,

896
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.400
if you want to check out do
you even movie my newest podcast, that's

897
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.760
at doooevenmovie dot com. Awesome.
All right, well, I'll make sure

898
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.679
i'll put links below, so guys
go check out Hendrick. He's been an

899
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.760
awesome friend. Like I said,
it feels like I've known him for twenty

900
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.320
years and not just three. I
do appreciate you, my friend. I

901
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.519
appreciate you coming on the show today. Oh, it's my pleasure. I

902
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:13.320
was looking forward to sitting down with
you all week. Well the feeling was

903
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.519
mutual. And I am Charles Campbell, your smalltown horror author. My latest

904
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.639
release is The Piano Witch. You
can go to Valleyboy Publications dot com all

905
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:24.000
my social media links or on that
website so you can find me there and

906
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.880
that'll do it for this episode of
Horror for twenty one the Podcast. Thank

907
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.840
you guys for joining and I hope
you have a great day night. Whatever

908
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:40.239
time it is with you, have
a good one. Take care bye.

909
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.840
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910
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:52.639
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911
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:54.639
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