Cutting Deep Into Horror | Funny Games (2007)

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So, Rachel, do you like
games? You're a competitive person, right,

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I am the least competitive person.
That's impossible because I am the least

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competitive. No, I've seen you
play games. Sometimes you get oddly obsessed

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and cruel a little bit. Yeah, how do you become so uncompetitive?

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With so many siblings? That is
that is the question. And the best

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part is I'm the middle sibling,
So I had to kind of do that

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to survive. I mean that makes
it So would you say it's survival that

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made you such a mini mini boweeni
banana fana fofini. Well, that and

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being so small, it's all the
meanness is like concentrated. Everything about you

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is concentrated into one. Yeah.
Well good if you're good with If you're

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good with games, tonight's show is
definitely going to suit you very well.

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This podcast is about why horror scares
us, what deep, dark, secret

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scary cinema shines a life. The
discussions are frank and involve conversations about abuse,

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trauma, and mental health. There
are awesome spoilers, so keep that

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in mind too. Now, sharpen
your machetes and straight razors, because this

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is cutting deep into horror. Hello, my Spookies and welcome back to Cutting

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Deep into Horror. I am your
host, Enrique Kuto here with our very

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special co host Rachel or Adolphie.
Oh. Usually I get to say it,

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but I took the initiative. No, that's fine, that's fine.

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Well, once again, I'm the
least competitive person and also so not stubborn

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too right, Oh no, not
at all. Well. Rachel has been

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a collaborator of mine in many many
ways and many many things in life.

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Movie. She produced films and television
series with me. She's she wrote an

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episode of Weekly Spooky. The first
ever Thanksgiving episode of Weeklying Spooky was written

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by Rachel. And You've just always
kind of been in the background of whatever

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I've been up to for the last
five years roughly. Yeah. Yeah,

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And but somehow, for the most
part, you've managed to stay clear of

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Weekly Spooky. Yeah. I don't
know how I've managed to stay clear this

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long. Well until you got put
in as the as the third character on

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episode two hundred over the Scare,
Yes, which I think turned out great,

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Yeah, phenomenal. So, and
that was when I had kind of

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a eureka moment of bringing you onto
Cutting Deep and into Horror. Because my

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original co host, Sealise. She
is her channels awesome by the way,

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check it out on YouTube. Check
her out at Sweet and Spooky, Sweet

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and Spooky. But she's just too
freaking busy. There's too much going on

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to have her add a you know, monthly or bi monthly, which doesn't

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mean anything. This is we're not
going to talk about it. We're both

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mad about You're going to let that
go. To some people, buy a

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monthly means twitus a month and to
other people means every other month. And

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when you google it it means both, which means it means nothing. But

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that being said, what brought me
to the idea of bringing you on was

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I've shown you. I've kind of
introduced you to horror in a lot of

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ways. I mean, you saw
some stuff before I was in your life.

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I think not not much though.
Really, Like I'm trying to think

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what what would constitute a horror movie? Had you seen The Exorcist? I

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had not seen The exer Jaws?
I had not seen Jaws. You hadn't

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seen Jaws. Now had you seen
uh Poultregast, No, any Freddy Krueger

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movies? Absolutely not. Jason Vorhees, no Michael Myers. Not even Austin

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Powers. That my favorite one.
That's that's one hum now So so okay,

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wow, so you had really seen
almost nothing. I saw Blood and

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Chocolate. I know that movie.
I don't know that movie that well though

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it's Twilight, But Werewolves I was
literally about to go is that a girl

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movie? Yeah? Okay, okay, well that's fair. Well, so

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I've gotten to introduce you to lots
of cool horror movies. And one thing

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I've noticed that you take to them. You took to them very well.

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But not only that. When I
would show you something challenging, you really

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take to it. Yeah. Although
the film we're talking about tonight Funny Games

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from two thousand and seven, we're
talking about the American remake, and before

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you get out your pitchforks and skewer
us alive, it's directed by the same

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person who directed Funny Games in Germany. It's just remade almost identically with an

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American cast. And I'll get into
more of why I chose that version rather

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than the original in a second.
But I want to give people a kind

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of con except of who you are
and why they should also not like you,

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and so many reasons I know,
I know, right, but no.

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So we watched tons of movies together. But I remember once you had

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had a horrible day or maybe it
was a horrible week, and I was

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like, let's take your mind off
it by going all the way. I

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am a big believer of like,
if you feel like crap, watch something

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that also makes you feel like crap, and it kind of like takes you

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out of it. Yeah. You, After about about forty minutes, you

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were like, can we shut this
off? Yeah? I think that was

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the only time with you where I
specifically made there and I had to think

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about it too. I wanted to
be sure I'm being honest, but that

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was the only time watching a movie
with you where I had to admit,

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like, I psychologically and physically can't
do this right now. Yeah, which

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says a lot, because thanks to
you, I'm I'm pretty willing to like

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dive into the depths of whatever and
I come out relatively unscathed and I'm like,

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wow, this was Yeah, that
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here's you know, here's the good
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But no, that one on the
first viewing, uh yeah, it

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was. Um, I believe I
believe it was the scene when they're not

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to get into too much ahead of
time, but the scene where the family

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is all in the living room.
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the kid apprehended, and I was
like, oh, I know where this

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is going and I don't want but
you do there? No, because I

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kept hoping like, maybe they won't
do that, maybe that we'll get Yeah,

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we'll get there. Yes, that's
beside the point. But so after

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I showed you Funny Games, I
think that was one of the first times

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you shot off at your mouth on
Facebook about a horror film, and since

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then you've done that about most movies
if they really connect with you, yeah,

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like if they really make you think. And that's what put onto my

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radar that you were like really into
being thoughtful about movies. I mean we'd

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talk about movies for hours sometimes,
but that was the kind of the moment

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I was like, WHOA, Like, you really want to like sit down

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and appreciate when this stuff messes you
up. Yes, And I dig that

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obviously, and that's kind of what
cutting deep in horror is. So I

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figured let's do it. And of
course what would be the first episode,

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but Funny Games. Yes, So
and we just rewatched it together, although

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you would rewatched it once before that, yeah, about two weeks ago.

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Yeah, because we tried watching it
the first time and I requested that we

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shut it off, and I believe
that we only had to wait about a

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week and you brought it back up, like would you like to finish it?

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And I was like, yeah,
but let's start it from the beginning,

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like I do want the full experience. And then a couple weeks ago,

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when you when you approach me with
the idea like would you like to

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do this? I was like,
I'm gonna sit down by myself in a

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house in the woods in the middle
of nowhere with literally no one around the

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way, that's just your house.
Yeah, but that doesn't make it any

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better. So I managed to get
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we watched it again today. So
I'd like to say it's officially the only

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movie I've seen three and a half
times. Only oh because the half,

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because the half, Yeah, you're
clever, little but no, that's no,

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that's a fair point. And I
so the first time I watched the

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movie, it disturbed me greatly,
and a lot of people are shocked that

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this is one of the films that
disturbs me greatly. They're expecting some kind

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of like splattery gory, a Serbian
film kind of thing, and I'm like,

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no, Funny Games like really bothers
me. Yeah, like deeply bothers

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me. And yeah, So I
watched it once by myself and then I've

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watched it, I want to say, four times with four different people.

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Okay, I don't watch it by
myself and not anymore fun unless I gets

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I have somebody to talk about it
with after yeah, because you you almost

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need like that decompression afterward, because
like, yeah, well, when I

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got done watching it myself, I
was like, I'm gonna go hug my

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cat for an hour, like poor
cat. Oh she hated it, But

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I was like, I just need
to connect with something tough, crap cat,

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this is what you're here for.
So Funny Games also known as Funny

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Games US in some parts of the
world because the original Funny Games was ten

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years earlier, in nineteen ninety seven. It's a two thousand and seven psychological

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horror film. I guess you could
call it that, written directed by Michael

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Hennick. I believe that's how you
say it. It's he's German filmmaker,

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and it's a remake of the nineteen
ninety seven film of the same title that

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he also wrote and directed. I
don't think you've seen it. I have

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not. It's it's good, but
it's almost exactly the same, Yeah,

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with a few updates, like the
cell phones or different, and you know,

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the phone stuff is different. But
the reason I like the US version

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more is two simple reasons. Number
One, it doesn't get too I don't

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it doesn't get to have the benefit
of me thinking it's just simply scarier because

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German people are creepy. And I
don't mean that as an insult to German

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people, but I mean like,
as an American, you sit and watch

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a German movie, and if somebody
is evil and they're speaking German, they're

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just automatically scarier. Yeah, Russian
too, you know, they're scary languages.

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They're scary languages for the untrained ear. So so what happens is I

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think that that gives it an unfair
advantage anyway, So I don't think that's

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scarier. But on top of that, the reason I find this movie so

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scary is because I find it so
realistic. Yes, so setting it in

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a town similar to a town that
I've ever been in in my life,

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just simply makes it scarier. And
they're really not that different beyond that.

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It's basically one's in English and set
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German and set in Germany. Yeah. So that's that's why I prefer the

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US is simply because I like it
for the reasons they remade it at all,

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which was to draw in the US
audience, right, So, but

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that's nothing against the original. If
you dig on the original, dig on

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it is scary and creepy and unpleasant, I would have to imagine, so,

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being that it's the source material for
all this, Yeah, exactly so,

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but yeah so, And it was
in the American version, wasn't international

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co production between United States, United
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That was where all the money came
from. It stars Naomi Watts and oh

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gosh, what is his name?
I can't believe. He's like my favorite

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person in the movie, and I'm
like, what's the new Tim Roth?

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Naomi wattson Tim Roth, two of
the most talented actors there have ever been,

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and Tim Roth doing an American accent, which I forgot how good he

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is, Yeah at doing an American
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I thought, so, yeah,
so and uh and then of course also

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stars Michael pitt Brand, Brady Corbett
and Devin Gerhardt, and they're all really

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great, I mean the young kids. So I want you to give a

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very quick rundown of what the movie's
about, just like your own synopsis.

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And I'll help if you need me. Okay, Um, so I a

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well to do family. I wouldn't
call them necessarily filthy, stink and rich

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what they're well to do so um
writer director Michael Hannikey he called the middle

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class. I would you know,
for that time period, I would say

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slightly better. They own a vacation
home on a lake on a lake,

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but it's you know, an hour
from where they live. It's not like

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they're in Bermuda or something. So
I guess upper middle classman. Yeah,

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upper middle class. So an upper
middle class family is going to their lake

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home for a vacation for either a
week or two. Um, we kind

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of get the vibe that it's summer
break because they've got their kid with them,

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They've got or dog with them.
But I don't think it is summer

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break. It seemed like it was
a last minute decision. Oh you know

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what, you're right, yeah,
yeah, so maybe it was a last

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minute decision to go out there.
Um so we as as soon as we

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get to the lake. And I
won't talk about the entrance because I think

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the music itself needs mentioning, Okay, But once we get to the lake,

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we kind of understand that they're very
friendly with all of their neighbors,

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who are also upper middle class living
along the lake. And they pass one

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of their neighbor's houses and they notice
that their neighbor and his wife are out

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on the lawn apparently practicing golfing with
two strangers they've never never met before,

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very unassuming young gentlemen. And as
things progress, they get to the house,

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they unpack, they're starting to get
the boat ready because they want to

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go out on the boat in the
morning. And one of the young men

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comes and uh introduces himself and says
that he's been sent by the neighbors specifically

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to get some eggs. But four
eggs. Four eggs, and what what

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is supposed to be an incredibly benign
and unremarkable act of just neighborly values very

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quick very quickly escalates and then totally
disintegrates into these two strangers torturing and hunting

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down this family. Yes, it's
in many ways, it's a home invasion

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story. It is, yeah,
um, which are a type of film

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that has always made me very uncomfortable
because I live in a home. Right.

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It's almost the perfect way to freak
people out right. Um. So

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that's I mean, that's kind of
the synopsis because I think that's one of

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the reasons, uh, that it's
so scary is because it is so realistic.

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Yea. Um. But the reason
that it it gets in your brain

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is because the synopsis does not do
the movie justice. Um. And that's

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one of the notes that I wrote
down is the movie lives in the moments

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between action. Um. And there's
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that goes on. There's a lot
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is most of the violence is offscreen. Yeah. No, that's true.

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M almost I actually pretty much all
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face. So the movie, uh
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um Naomi Wats and Tim Roth are
so mind blowing good at just making you

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not only believe that this is what
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you're looking at something that's happening and
unfolding in front of you, they also

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emote so well that you start thinking
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doing the same exact thing, like
I would feel this way if this was

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happening. Like they're almost telling you
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similar situation. It's kind of like
Red Eye. Yeah. Red Eye is

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a If you've never seen Red Eye, should It's a thriller set on an

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airplane with Cillian Murphy and he's just
a psychopath who who don't know why he's

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terrorizing this woman on an airplane.
But it's one of the only movies I've

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ever watched for every time I went, oh, she should just stabbed him

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with the pen. Oh my god, she's just stabbing with the pen,

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like where you're yelling everything, right, yeah, everything that you would yell

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at the screen for her to do, she totally does. She is not

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a he's a standby and see what
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very much takes action and Funny Games
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bit of a heavier space. So
let's get into the movie. So,

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so as we established there, it's
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do you think that little boy was? Like? Ten? Yeah? Nine?

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Ten? Okay, because he mentioned
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and Johnny has a girlfriend that he
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nineteen eleven, twelve, but definitely
prepubescent, Like this kid hasn't pit puberty

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yet. Um, I could beat
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saying something for people, people who
don't know. Rachel is a five foot

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nothing yeah, and you know ways
one twenty soaking wet. Yeah. So

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they're in the house doing things,
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out and everything like this, and
this young man shows up and he's wearing

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white gloves, a white tshirt and
black shorts and he is the friends of

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the neighbors you were mentioning, you
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says, hey, they're you know, I could could I borrow four eggs?

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And Naomi wats his characters like,
oh sure, sure, of course

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you can, you know, no
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eggs that she has a dozen eggs, but that they just bought and she

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and she said she's going to the
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Monday. Yeah, So she does
the neighborly thing and gives them four eggs,

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and they're making conversation and she is
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like just NonStop politeness. There's this
awkwardness to it, which is legitimate.

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It would be awkward if you know, obviously he's not really there for

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the reasons they say, but if
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like hey, go ask them for
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yeah, and it is and maybe
vaguely humiliated. I don't think it's really

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humiliating, but they referenced later that
he felt yea, he felt humiliated by

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it. But it's definitely awkward to
be like, hey, I know you

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don't know me, but like she
needed eggs, you know, I mean

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maybe if they had just moved to
the area, then it would make sense,

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you know, to try and like
be like no, no, no,

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introduce yourself to people or whatever.
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four eggs and before he walks out
of the front door, he breaks them.

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he says like, oh, I'm

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so sorry, I'm so sorry,
and she's cleaning it up and and he's

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just, you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. She's like, that's

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no reason to complain. And then
she says, so what are we gonna

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do? And he's like, well, you have eight more eggs, so

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just give me four more eggs and
then you know you're going to the store

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on Monday. And she says,
well, the issue there is my family

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and I don't eat eggs. She
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eggs for breakfast, so I'm assuming
she keeps eggs around for baking. Yeah.

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So she's like, we don't need
eggs for breakfast, but tomorrow we

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have guests coming over and they will
want eggs in the morning. And you

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know, he's like, well,
I mean four should be enough, and

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she's like, no, you're right, for four should be enough. But

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she's clearly frustrated with him now,
and she's trying so hard. There's this

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great moment and I know what you're
thinking, you're like, they're talking about

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like one of the scariest horror movies
to them ever, and we're talking about

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just base human interaction. Yes,
So she actually kind of gets shut short

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with him, and at one point
he says like, I'm really sorry.

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She's yeah, me too, like
because she feels bad that she's that she's

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getting mean. She's getting mean.
But it's like they just drove all the

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way up there. They have a
small child to deal with and a dog

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to deal with, and her husband
is out having fun with the kids.

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She's got to figure out all the
food. She's frustrated. They I love

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this because the movie's so slice of
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uh it seemed to me like maybe
the power it went out or something,

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because she mentioned that the clock's working
and the clock's not working. In that

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there was a big steak they had
in the freezer that thought out, So

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they have to eat it every day
until it's gone, yeah, because they

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can't let it go to waste it. It's a huge steak. Yeah.

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So yeah, so she's obviously frustrated
and well, and to kind of build

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on that, the reason that I
caught. The reason that she started being

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short is not only did this guy
break the eggs, And then he's sitting

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around trying to make small talk as
she's as she's as she's talking about it,

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Oh no, it's fine, you
know, you know, I cleaned

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it up. It's no big deal, he starts demanding more eggs, which

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pushing the boundaries of what hospitality is. Yes, And then as he's looming

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over her as she's getting you know, she finally concedes, Oh, yeah,

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you're right, like we four eggs
would be enough for the morning.

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He jokingly says, oh yeah,
you could say that I have two left

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hands, and then he turns and
knocks the phone into the sink, which

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is full of water because she was
washing lettuce because she was greens of some

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sort for their dinner. And so
her frustration stems from, oh, this

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is their only source of communication because
they don't have a landline. Yea,

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can see on her face because okay,

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well now I can't get in touch
with my friends who are coming in the

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morning. Well, and that's not
even that big a day because they could

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just go to their neighbor's house but
it's more like, how happy would you

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be if your cell phone fell into
a sink full of water? You'd be

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pretty stressed out. And I remember
this is two thousand and seven, So

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it's her Nokia yeah, falling into
the water. It's not like it's you

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know, the iPhone eleven or whatever, where it's like it can be submerged

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up to four meters for five No, it's not, Yeah, you breathe

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on it wrong, and it's it's
so yeah, you think the wrong thoughts

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and it's gonna bust. Yeah.
So um, but actually we're gonna take

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a quick break and then we're gonna
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bit heavier. Right after these quick
messages from our sponsors, we are back

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here on cutting deep into horror,
and we're talking all about funny games and

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Rachel, you had a point you
wanted to make before we jump into more

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of the egg excellent terror up.
Well, I kind of wanted to point

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out, um because I know I
had mentioned at the beginning that this movie

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lives in the spaces between the action, and what's really interesting is how they

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pace the introductions. And so when
the family is driving up and they see

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their neighbors. One of the neighbors
name is Fred. Would they see them

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out quote unquote practicing golf with these
two strangers as viewers. Even the first

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time I watched it, we get
a little like mixed signals from body language.

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But that's easy to write off because
you know, everybody's getting there from

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vacation. But what's interesting is this
inner play of and missus Farber unpacking and

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getting the food ready and talk talking
to her friend on the phone, and

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the dog outside barking and being a
dog and doing what dogs are supposed to

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do. And Georgie and his dad, George, mister Farber out on the

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dock, and Fred the neighbor comes
with one of the strangers and introduces him

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as Paul, right, And we
notice even more that Fred's actions just are

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not the actions of someone who is
comfortable, right. Yeah, And even

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little Georgie, who again is nine, ten eleven years old, you know,

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he's just a kid. He even
says to his dad like, why

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is Fred acting weird? Why is
Uncle Fred acting like that? I remember

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that line. Yeah, And that's
when we get to Anne in the kitchen

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and this other stranger who eventually is
introduces Peter comes and starts asking for the

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eggs. And you had mentioned before
we went on break that, Oh we're

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sitting around talking about like slice of
life, like general hospitality stuff like that's

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supposed to be horror, but that
for the lead up to what happens,

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that is the horror, because hospitality, either receiving it or giving it is

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kind of terrifying because there's a lot
of unspoken rules, and these two individuals

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prey on that. Okay, if
you're talking about being afraid of faux pause,

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yeah, sure, it's a real
thing. Especially I mean, I'm

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we're both from the Midwest. Oh
yeah, I'm so afraid that I'm not

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polite enough all the time. And
it's so silly sounding, but true,

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it is true. Yea. I
will hold the door open for people that

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are like twelve feet away because I
don't want to seem like a jerk.

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Yeah, you know. I will
accidentally brush someone on the elbow when I'm

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getting something off the shelf in the
grocery store, and I feel like I'm

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going to die. When I first
moved to New Jersey, I finally realized

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that the rest of the world is
not the Midwest. When I was walking

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through the grocery store and somebody hit
me with their shopping cart, not super

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hard or anything, just bumped me
with a shopping cart. I was I

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didn't have a cart. I mean, they just hit my body and I

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turned and went, oh, excuse
me, and they looked at me like,

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what's your problem? They hit me
and you were the one apologizing.

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Yeah, yeah, and they were
just like and they're like, went away.

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I'm like, the hell is this
place? So that's that's kind of

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like the setup. And that's that's
why that's why Peter demanding more and more

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eggs as he breaks the eggs start
really starts to build the tension in your

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gut because you're like, well,
as the host, I can't necessarily say

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no because he's not making unreasonable demands. But at the same time, I

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want to say no because I already
gave him four eggs. Yeah, and

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because they are your eggs. Yeah, like like you're allowed to not be

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any more helpful than you've already been
exactly. And for him, I think

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that the joy is in testing your
kindness, your generosity. Yes, that's

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the cruelty is he wants to see
how far he can take it. Yes,

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I agree wholeheartedly. Um, and
he's he's got very much the abusive

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because there's even a line later on
in the movie where he says, you

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practically forced me to treat you badly, and it's because she wouldn't give him

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all twelve eggs and then started to
get upset when he wouldn't leave their home

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when she asked. Yeah. So
so let's let's go into that a little

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bit. So first of all,
I want to describe the gentleman. Yes,

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because it's so they're both wearing white
gloves and not surgical gloves, but

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golf They weren't golf gloves. They
weren't not as far as I could tell.

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They were just fabric gloves, like
like kind you wear for theater.

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Oh that's true. Yeah, yeah, they're as far as I could tell,

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because golf gloves tend to have like
grippy's and oh they do. Yeah,

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And they don't have anything on the
palms. It is just nondescript white

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gloves heater gloves. Yeah, which
I assume is because they're, you know,

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committing crimes. But at the same
time, I don't know, these

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guys are impossible to read what their
deal actually is. And so now we

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have the ag issue and all the
stuff, and they start asking for more

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and more things. The other guy
shows up and now he wants to try

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hitting a golf ball with a really
expensive golf club he saw inside the house.

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So they're demanding more and more and
more. And one of my favorite

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things about this movie is when the
guy first shows up at the door and

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he says, hello, Oh,
you saw me earlier, I was at

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whatever, and she goes, oh
my gosh, yeah, yeah, come

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in, come in to a guy
that she doesn't know at all. Yeah.

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At first she was creeped out because
she's like, how'd you get through

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the gate because they have a gate? Yeah, And that is that is

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very interesting though, because um he
mentions, oh, well, there's a

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hole in the in the fence near
the water, and she says, oh,

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well, why aren't you wet and
he's like, no, it's not

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on the water, it's near the
water. And that actually pays off toward

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the end because she finds a small
hole and then makes it bigger to try

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to get to the neighbor's house.
No totally. Um, So that there's

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a lot of and take and pay
off in this movie. Um not always

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good payoff, but it does pay
off well. And and so one thing

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that people have pointed about this film
a lot is that it is it is

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deeply nihilistic. Oh my, yes. So the husband comes back in because

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she's like, I want you to
make these guys leave, and he's like,

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all right, let me see what's
going on. And he's not I

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would say, he's like medium dismissive. He's kind of like, yeah,

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my wife's been in a bad mood
today. But then when they start when

406
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.759
oh well, and he's partially dismissive
because the dog isn't barking anymore, so

407
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.480
they're trying to find the dog.
But yeah, the dog, sorry,

408
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:44.119
folks, reached its fate unfortunately.
And uh, Chicano's laying on my feet

409
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.880
right now. He's like, I'm
not listening. Yeah, he's got his

410
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:52.400
our ears covered. But uh so
now tim Roth's character is telling him like,

411
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.720
you should leave, and the guys
like, I forget what he said?

412
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.160
What do you say that got him
slapped? I forget what he said?

413
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.759
Well, at first they refuse to
leave because they're like, we're sorry

414
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.240
we offended you, but yeah,
we still need eggs. If if you

415
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.759
could just explain to us what we
did wrong, then we won't do that

416
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:15.240
again. And um but we still
need those eggs. And that's when um

417
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.400
An hands the eggs to George,
her husband, and says, just give

418
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.559
him the eggs and get them out
of here. And George says, like,

419
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.200
well, what they're making a good
point? What did they do wrong?

420
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.160
Like why are you so upset?
And she she kind of hisses between

421
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.720
her teeth. She's like, I'm
not explaining myself in front of them,

422
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.000
yeah, and just walks off.
And that's when George finally stands up and

423
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.519
says, like, look, my
wife's roll upset. She's not feeling great.

424
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:42.960
You know, we had to drive
for an hour to get here.

425
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.519
Here's the eggs. Could you just
get out of here? And they continue

426
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:53.279
to refuse to leave, right,
we do, but what did but what

427
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.079
we what do we do wrong?
Oh? My god, we gave you

428
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.000
what you wanted. Yeah, like
get out. And so what George said

429
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.400
is if you don't leave, there's
going to be problems for you, young

430
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.720
man. And that's when Paul says
something to the effect of, well,

431
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.079
you can't make us leave, old
man, or there'll be problems for you.

432
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.640
Old woman. Yeah. Yeah,
and he just slaps him across the

433
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.119
place, and not like a hard
one, just like he slaps from the

434
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:18.119
face and then he goes get out
of my house. Yeah, it was

435
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:23.200
just to make a point. Yeah. Um, So then the very expensive

436
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.240
nine iron returns. Sure it was
a nine iron. I'm pretty certain he

437
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.720
said nine okay, because the only
golf club I know of is a nine

438
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.799
iron or a putter. So I
just assume that you're just like me,

439
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.720
and that maybe, but I feel
like I remember the words I. But

440
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.799
yeah, he basically shatters his knee, yeah with the nine iron, But

441
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.680
we don't see it. We just
hear the aftermath of it, exactly because

442
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:52.359
the camera stays focused on the face
of George and his son Georgie. Yes,

443
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.759
because again, it's not about it's
not necessarily about the violence. It's

444
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:02.000
about the psychological impact of the violence. And if you if you've never seen

445
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.240
this movie, first of all,
I mean, you know, I can't

446
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.279
tell you're an adult. We're spoiling
a bunch of the movie and that's all

447
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.240
there is to it. But I
know that if you want to watch it,

448
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.880
you can rent it on any of
the streaming services where you can rent.

449
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.359
It's not available to grab right away. It's on DVD, not on

450
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:29.279
Blu Ray in America yet, hopefully
soon. But this movie is not played

451
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:37.200
the way it sounds like. It
is slow, almost creepingly slow on purpose

452
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:45.240
to make you have to stare dead
eyed right into what is happening. Yes,

453
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:52.359
and that is something that really bothers
me about this film in a good

454
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:53.640
way, because it bothered I mean
the reason I love this movie is it

455
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:58.279
bothers me a lot. Yes,
it really gets under my skin super fast

456
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.599
because now that they have basically taken
the family hostage, they've begun to take

457
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:08.440
the family hostage. They're just being
polite. Yes, it's just I really

458
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.559
didn't want to have to do that
to you. Let me help you up,

459
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.200
Like, would you like me to
help you? If you take your

460
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.480
pants off, I can take a
look at it and maybe I can help

461
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.480
you, and you know, like
you should really get elevated. Would you

462
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.000
like a pillow for that? I
can go get you a pillow. But

463
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.400
but it's like and that's what they
do. So they'll like say that stuff

464
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.559
and then they'll like hit you in
the jaw, you know, and they'll

465
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.279
just be like I'm sorry that that
had to happen, but you gave me

466
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.079
no choice. Now, please sit
down, you know, like they're constantly

467
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:36.240
like that, and it's so infuriating. Yes, it's so infuriating. It's

468
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:42.920
it's just well, and it's to
me, man, it's it's it's the

469
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.519
kind of infuriating because, like I
think, what happens a lot in horror

470
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:53.960
movies is the bad guy stops being
human in our eyes. Yeah, the

471
00:33:54.400 --> 00:34:00.200
bad guy becomes dehumanized. So then
it becomes really easy to hate them in

472
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.559
a playful manner where it's like I
just really hate you know, I you

473
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:12.119
know, I really hate leatherface.
It's really easy because but you know,

474
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:19.039
it's it's really easy but with this, because they will oscillate so quickly between

475
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.119
being totally unreasonable and moving the goal
posts to being totally sweet and saccharine.

476
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.400
And you know, I'm I'm sorry
that had to happen, and I'm sorry,

477
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.239
just you you upset, Peter.
They go into like a customer service

478
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.679
voice. Yeah, you're like,
I, as a primate, want to

479
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.800
rip their faces off. Yes,
yes, and and and they are just

480
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.519
trying to make sure that any reasonable
reaction you have is completely unreasonable. They're

481
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:52.039
gas lighting to the tenth degree,
right, and that is just it's just

482
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.840
unbelievable. Yeah. So now they
have these guys in the house, it's

483
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.360
clear that they ain't right, and
it's been revealed to the husban and whose

484
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.039
leg is all messed up, that
they have no phone. Yes, the

485
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.840
wife finally admits it. Well,
she realizes it because she gets distracted by

486
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:14.440
everything that's happened and she realizes he
destroyed my phone. Yeah. Rough stuff.

487
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:24.440
So now now we're basically playing games, but the games change, the

488
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:30.000
rules change, how you win changes, what you get if you win changes,

489
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.559
and they're basically grooming them early on, like the first thing they do

490
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.480
to the husband is to say what
is this and it's a golf ball.

491
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.679
He says golf ball and they say
very good. Yes. And it's basically

492
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.599
just them leading into basically saying telling
them about telling them they killed their dog.

493
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.440
Yes, And then they play hot
and cold to find the corpse,

494
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:54.840
yes, which is just it's all
about this, about the pain. And

495
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.039
there's a moment where they say why
are you doing this or like later on

496
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.719
they say, like just kill and
it's like, what about entertainment? Yeah,

497
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.360
and that's something I want to bring
up that is really important to mention,

498
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:13.119
is I am not a fan of
why Michael Hannike made this movie.

499
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:19.679
He claims he made this movie as
to make a point that violent entertainment is

500
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:25.719
bad. He said, in his
own words, I just found the quote.

501
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.159
He said, in his own words, where was it that he wanted

502
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.599
to make? He stated he wanted
the film as a reflection criticism of violence

503
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.079
used in media, and he wanted
to make a pointless movie about with violence

504
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.360
in it. So in his own
words, he referred to the film as

505
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.960
pointless. That's interesting because I feel
like it did have a point. But

506
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.719
I do, and I agree,
but I feel like it had a point

507
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.760
that was the opposite in many ways
of what his point was, because he

508
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:59.280
said that he never set out to
make a horror movie, and I believe

509
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.800
him. I mean, but you
know, we've talked about this all the

510
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.000
time. You know, there's a
horror movie and a thriller, an Oscar

511
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.880
nomination. You know, like that's
that really is it? And and that's

512
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.760
kind of the point on this.
He's trying to make a movie about these

513
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.760
things, and he's like, oh, it's not a horror movie. Well,

514
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:20.280
it sure is terrifying. Yeah,
it really primarily Yeah, no,

515
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.199
deeply and primarily terrifying. And the
idea that it's that it has that it

516
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:30.199
is pointless. I understand why he
might say that, because if you think

517
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:37.760
about it, it's like trying to
think how to put it. It's because

518
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.559
of the slice of life element.
It's kind of like Seinfeld, it's it's

519
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.280
a show about nothing. It's a
movie about nothing. They're just going on

520
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.159
a little vacation. Yeah, we
don't know. We don't know, like

521
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.719
what they do for a living,
we don't know how their relationship is.

522
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.719
We don't know anything about them,
and we get almost nothing before the horror

523
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.000
starts. I mean we get that
they're having friends over. We get that

524
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.960
they don't like to eat eggs for
breakfast. That's like, that's about it.

525
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.760
Yeah. We get that they make
enough money to have a house like

526
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.719
this. Yeah, that's it.
We don't even get I don't even think

527
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:12.599
they say where they are now,
Like we get so little. And but

528
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:17.360
what's so interesting about that is,
despite the fact that we get so little

529
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:24.719
information on them because it is just
slice of life, I find them so

530
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.199
tremendously relatable as charreaders. Well,
it's like ryl Stein said that he writes

531
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.800
his characters with so little descriptions because
he wants the reader to imagine themselves exactly,

532
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:40.119
so they almost become a stand in
for, like I said, for

533
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:47.559
yourself. And that's why when you
know, when the scenes focus on ninety

534
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:55.760
seconds of Naomi Watts just breathing heavily, trying to get her arms loose from

535
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:02.599
ties while her husband is on the
other side of the room coming to consciousness

536
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.360
and her child is dead next to
her, and it's ninety seconds of that,

537
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.159
you get into her headspace because she's
just a blank canvas for you to

538
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.320
paint yourself into. It might even
be longer than ninety seconds. And we're

539
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.440
not using colloquial terms. We need
literally like the clock has ticked ninety times

540
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.360
or more. And ninety seconds in
a feature film is a very long time

541
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.800
for them to leave the camera almost
totally stationary. Yeah, and show you

542
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.199
her in the space because you know, we're not we're not breaking down the

543
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.760
entire freaking movie. But they kill
their son first, yes, through any

544
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.840
MENI mighty mo basically, and they
do other things too, because their game

545
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.480
is to cause the family to be
uncomfortable and to make the family compliant,

546
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.679
because compliance seems to be the thing
that they enjoy the most, that seems

547
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.199
to be what entertains them the most. Is the idea that they I can

548
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.159
get nail and we wants to take
her clothes off, not so they can

549
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.360
see her naked, but just to
prove that she's compliant well and well,

550
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.320
and according to them, to prove
that she is fit, because one of

551
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.199
them is like, oh, I
think she's in really good shape, and

552
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.159
that I was like, I think
she's hiding jelly rolls. That's literally what

553
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:23.880
they say. Yeah, So it's
it's this game that is so yeah well,

554
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.199
and and I had taken a note
about that because um, leading up

555
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.320
to that, when when Peter and
Paul, which I don't know if you

556
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.679
like, yeah, Peter and Paul, but they'll also call each other Tom

557
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.400
and Jerry. They'll call each other
beat us and butt head. They give

558
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:44.599
give us bogus backstories that we know
are false and they admit are false,

559
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.280
but we can't get a beat on
these guys. At one point, he

560
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.159
confesses that like they're both drug addicts, and then the next step he's like,

561
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.159
oh, he's the you know,
he has no father because his father

562
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.639
left. And they say, oh, actually his mother kicked his father out.

563
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.559
Oh, actually his father's an alcoholic. And yeah, he's having sex

564
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.079
with his mother. There. It's
like you just and like that's in one

565
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.000
breath, like one scene, he'll
say all those things back. Actually he's

566
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.440
just rich and he needs to take
the SATs again or something, you know,

567
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:12.960
exactly at you so you you don't
know what's going on. But as

568
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.960
they're as they're doing all this,
and they start poking and prodding each other

569
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.880
and talking about, um, you
know, well maybe missus Farber has jelly

570
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.920
rolls and uh. That's when Paul
says they're going to play a game,

571
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.400
and it's a family game, yes, and they're going to play cat.

572
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:36.159
What was a cat in the bag? Um? He claims that covering Little

573
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:42.320
Georgie's head was to protect his innocence, right, but it we know,

574
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.679
as the audience and the captives know, that's not what it is. It's

575
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:53.760
about asserting their power. And what
gets even creepier about that is after they've

576
00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:01.880
got Little Georgie's head in in a
pillow case, they're telling Anne that she

577
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.840
needs to take her clothes off,
and she's not being compliant. So then

578
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:13.079
Paul tells, George Senior, you're
the captain of this ship. They have

579
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.320
to listen to. You tell your
wife, take your clothes off, honey.

580
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:21.119
Yeah. And one of the cruelest
things you can do to somebody is

581
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:27.239
make them hurt somebody else exactly,
and especially someone that they love. And

582
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:34.119
then it becomes even worse because eventually, after moments and moments of building up

583
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.760
the psychological strength to do this,
George Senior says, take your clothes off,

584
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.760
and Paul stops them and says,
no, take your clothes off,

585
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:50.480
honey, exact same words I'm using. And so eventually Anne has to follow

586
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:57.079
those directions, and so she takes
her clothes off, and Peter and Paul

587
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.199
sit there and they're not oggling.
No, they're just matter of factly saying,

588
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.320
oh, yeah, I told you. She doesn't have general jelly rules.

589
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.320
And they just have a general joy
at everything they're doing. They have

590
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.519
no excitement, no thrill for the
most part. Yeah, just kind of

591
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:16.119
and now, this, yeah a
job of everybody, it's and to close

592
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:22.119
off that scene, they don't even
allow George Senior to tell her like,

593
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.519
okay, we're okay now, Yeah, they tell her. They tell her,

594
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.840
okay, now put your clothes back
on, so he game the only

595
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.599
one hurting there. Yes, we're
going to take a real quick break and

596
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.119
then we'll be back to talk even
more about funny games right after this.

597
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.159
All right, we're back with cutting
deep into horror. And we were just

598
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.280
talking about one of the most difficult
to watch scenes and funny games, and

599
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.000
that is saying something as they're wrapping
up the torment of the family in the

600
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.719
living room and the mother has been
stripped naked so that they could not even

601
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:13.199
oggle her body, not even sexualize
her, but simply judge. Yeah,

602
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:20.519
And I think that's the thing that
makes that so much more uncomfortable is,

603
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.199
at least with oggling, there's an
amount of appreciation. Yeah, they're strictly

604
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.360
judging, and they're judging on a
negative score. There is no because again

605
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.599
in funny games, there is no
winning. There's only delaying losing for a

606
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.559
while. Yeah, And they make
that very clear because they even tell them

607
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.719
like, well, we're going to
bet for your lives, and it should

608
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.280
be mentioned at the beginning. They
say that at the end of this of

609
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.920
this whole thing. They'll all be
dead. Yeah. He says that very

610
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.960
early on, and he doesn't just
say it to the characters. He says

611
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.800
it to the audience. Yeah.
And there's there And that's something else worth

612
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.719
mentioning real quick. The the main
bad guy I breaks the fourth wall about

613
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.719
four times in the film, and
every time it chills me to the bone

614
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.280
just thinking about the moment that he
stops what he's doing and he's so evil,

615
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.519
and then he looks at you like
he knows you're you're a voyor.

616
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.119
Yeah, And I'm like, ah, I'm supposed to feel safe at the

617
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.159
fact that you don't know. Yeah, Like I'm behind the screen, you

618
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.079
shouldn't see me. Yeah. But
and so he says, without a shadow

619
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.400
of a doubt that this family is
going to die. He says it.

620
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:30.960
So anyway, I'm sorry, but
I just wanted to play that because we

621
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.880
there's so much to talk about and
there's a lot to unpack. Um,

622
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:42.159
so let me double check my notes
and see when I have notes, I

623
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:47.159
pretend I don't. That's my secret
weapon. Oh so, after they've judged

624
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.400
her, right, um, and
that's that that being the thing she's judged

625
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:58.840
on a negative scale, and she
technically doesn't lose because she doesn't have we're

626
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:05.320
making air quotes because because these guys, that's another thing that's so scary is

627
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:12.039
they're cruel and they're calculating, and
they're manipulative, and they're abusive, and

628
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.400
they have the emotional intelligence of twelve
year olds. But worse yet, they're

629
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:23.480
creative. They're very creative when it
comes to this task. They're always coming

630
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.280
up with a new game, a
new ploy, a new whatever. But

631
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.760
they're always honest about one thing,
which is you can't win and you're going

632
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:38.920
to die. Yeah. Yeah,
that's something that's harrowing. Yeah. Um,

633
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.800
so after that, there's a bit
of a bit of a tussle.

634
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:52.159
Yeah, and um that's when Georgie
manages to make an escape and he hoofs

635
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:59.559
it to the neighbor's neighbor's house.
And that's as the audience, and because

636
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.039
of all the horror movies I've watched
with you, it starts to feel like

637
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:15.559
it's verging onto your more stereotypical like
slasher horror movie because Paul comes after him

638
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.719
and very much like Michael Myers,
he's not running, he's not sprints.

639
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.800
Actually he was jogging, like literally
jogging, Yeah, like it was the

640
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:31.840
person. Yeah yeah, and the
whole time, the whole time, Georgie

641
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.760
does everything right, Like he has
to run run through the water to get

642
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.320
to the house, and then he
as soon as he starts walking around,

643
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:45.880
he realizes he's leaving watery footprints everywhere, pants and the shoes and socks off.

644
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.880
He doesn't go downstairs. He immediately
goes upstairs. He moves from room

645
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.559
to room quietly, and he makes
sure that he's keeping track of the outside

646
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:00.199
lights and the inside lights so he
knows exactly where his hunter is. The

647
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.280
moment he finds a weapon, he
takes it and as best as a little

648
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.679
eleven year old can, he tries
to defend himself. He does literally everything

649
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:13.639
right. He finds a double barrel
shotgun. He points it at the some

650
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.119
bitch, and then the some bitch
says cock it and fire it, and

651
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.480
the kid does he does, and
there's no bullets in it. Yep.

652
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.760
It's also like an ancient double barrel
shot Yeah. But yeah, he does

653
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:25.840
everything right. You're totally right.
I hadn't thought about that, um.

654
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:34.760
And so that's as the viewer once
that scene happens and they capture Little Georgie

655
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.079
again, it starts becoming a question
of like, Okay, they gave us

656
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:45.280
just a taste of your classical stock
and slash horror movie. How are they

657
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.280
gonna like, I want to go
back to the safety of that that feels

658
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:54.199
like the like that's the safe zone, because then you've got hope, there's

659
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.840
at least hope that the final girl
will get out, or yes, someone

660
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.239
will be the hero, or they'll
get ahold of the police. And every

661
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.840
single time they give us a little
tiny morsel of like, oh, maybe

662
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.079
you'll get it, and then they
take it away again. Absolutely well.

663
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.679
And speaking of taking it away,
one of the most the controversial moments of

664
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.840
the film is just about to get
to it speaking of the shotgun and the

665
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:24.679
child. Yes, because next up
they're getting ready to do something very bad.

666
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.400
Oh wait, no, I'm sorry, after the child has been killed.

667
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.800
We've already spoiled that. But after
the child has been killed with the

668
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.760
shotgun. At one point, they're
trying to get Naomi Watts to do something.

669
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.880
I forget exactly what they're trying to
get her to do. Oh,

670
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.079
they're trying to get her to do
to tell a prayer backwards. Yes,

671
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.519
and if she can tell a prayer
backwards, she won't get to live,

672
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:52.360
she'll get to choose how. She
gets to choose who dies and how.

673
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:57.679
But that's the other thing is these
bad guys are constantly moving the goalposts.

674
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.920
Yes, because at first was well, you have to say a prayer,

675
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.360
right, and then and then how
you what you win? Your prize is

676
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.599
you get to choose who dies and
how. She doesn't know any prayers,

677
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.639
so they give her one that's really
short, and she manages to say it

678
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:19.960
after they after they torture her into
kneeling and crying. Her husband is begging

679
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.800
her, like, don't don't do
anything they ask you, because it'll just

680
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.719
make us suffer longer. Exactly.
At that point, they're basically like,

681
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:30.719
we would rather die than feed these
guys sick game. Exactly. I get

682
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:35.239
um. So she does that.
Yeah, and that's when they move the

683
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.400
goalposts and they say, okay,
well you did that, so now in

684
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.159
order to choose who dies and how, you have to say the prayer backwards.

685
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.559
And it was a simple prayer.
It was like yeah, like I

686
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.480
be safe throughout the night or something
like that. Yeah, and yeah,

687
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.320
and then you get to choose.
But then he says, you know,

688
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:59.400
the the fast death of the Big
Gun or the slow death of the Little

689
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.760
Night. And as he says that, she grabs the shotgun, which has

690
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:06.679
one shell left in it. They
made a point to point out that they

691
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.480
only had two and they used one
on the sun, and she shoots the

692
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.360
other guy right in the chest.
He flies into the wall, definitely dead.

693
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.039
Yeah, instantly. But then,
and this is why this is the

694
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.480
most controversial scene of the film,
the main bad guy character goes, you

695
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:23.400
know, no, no, no, like what no, no, And

696
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.159
he starts saying, where's the remote, where's the remote? And he digs

697
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.599
through the couch cushions, finds a
DVD player remote, hits the rewind button

698
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:37.639
and the film rewinds like it's a
DVD. And then the scene happens again,

699
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.239
but this time he stops her from
doing it. Yeah, So they

700
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:45.159
don't just give you nothing. They
give you what you've been hoping for the

701
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:52.239
entire film, and then they just
take it away from you. The only

702
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.400
thing you're hoping this entire movie is
for some come uppance, and they are

703
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.599
like, nah, And that's a
very important point that I'm going because eventually

704
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.960
I'm gonna get to why I disagree
with the filmmaker entirely, and I think

705
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.559
he made a totally different film.
I'll get to that soon, and this

706
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:14.239
is one of those reasons. But
now he's taken away from the audience.

707
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.519
So now he's not just hurting the
characters, he's hurting the audience. Yeah,

708
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.119
he's intentionally harming the audience. And
I believe at one point he says

709
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.519
like, did you really think that
that was going to happen to the audience?

710
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.639
Yeah, one of the times when
he breaks the fourth wall, Yeah,

711
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.400
do you really think that's going to
happen? Come on? And he's

712
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:37.119
right though. They told us,
yeah, that the family is going to

713
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:44.119
die. Why do we keep hoping
when they've made it very clear? Right?

714
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:51.719
Why do they so now it's time
to kill the family or not?

715
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:59.679
Whoopsie doodle? They leave because it's
late. I might have the order of

716
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:04.159
no that that's yeah, they do, just because it's past midnight and we're

717
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.320
getting bored and hungry, so let's
just go. Yeah, And they say

718
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:08.880
like, oh, they're spent because
it's whatever, So they just leave.

719
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.719
Yeah. And now Naomi Watts,
whose hands are taped behind her, back,

720
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.519
and they used packing tape, which
is impossible to get out of,

721
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.280
yeah, because it's not perforated.
Duct tape is perforated. I was I

722
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.519
was noticing that too, because she
was trying to at first, she was

723
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:30.280
trying to like break it off with
like a corner of the TV stand and

724
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:31.199
I was like, man, if
that was duct tape, she would have

725
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.840
gotten through it, like no problem. But it was packing tape. Yeah,

726
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.800
and they put it on very thick
too, so it just was there's

727
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:42.719
no hope, yeah, you know, getting that off. So now she

728
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.800
goes into the kitchen. We don't
see the camera just stays, which it

729
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.880
does a lot, just stays,
which honestly made me, as an audience

730
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:53.320
member, feel kind of trapped with
them. Absolutely, she comes back and

731
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.719
now the tapes off, so obviously
she found a kitchen knife or something,

732
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.719
you know, something to punch it, punch of the tape. And she

733
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:02.519
tries to help her husband, whose
leg is destroyed. Yeah, and he's

734
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.360
been stabbed and he's been stabbed,
and they start trying to figarre out what

735
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:08.960
are they going to do. She
picks up her phone and it turns on,

736
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:15.559
but it won't make a call because
it's probably water damaged. So now

737
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.639
they're they're trying to figre out what
to do. He tells her, you

738
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.039
should freaking hit run to the hills, you know, like the Iron Maiden

739
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.880
song, Run to the hills,
get help. I'll stay here, and

740
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.960
because I can't go with you,
I'll slow you down. Because one thing

741
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.159
I liked too is they were both
positive they were coming back yea, even

742
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.639
though they made it sound like they
weren't. They were positive they were both

743
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.719
coming back or we're waiting for them
outside. Yeah, and they both knew

744
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.400
that, which is why it was
like time was of the essence because they

745
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.360
knew if they were going to get
out, it was going to be now.

746
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.239
Yeah. So now we have these
long, lingering shots that just so

747
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:57.519
viscerly remind us time is passing very
much. And I gotta say, I

748
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.519
mean, I'm gonna crap on this
filmmaker quite a bit here in a minute,

749
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:05.800
but not really but kind of.
But I've never been able to say

750
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.920
about anybody else that they made time
viscerally pass. Yes. Well, I

751
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.119
think one of my favorite parts was
when George Senior was there and he's trying

752
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.639
to use the hair dryer to try
off the phone because when Naomi Watts goes

753
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.119
for a run to run for it, he sits there with a hairdryer trying

754
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:27.239
to get the phone to work exactly. And he sits there and he like

755
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.559
makes a pass and makes a pass, and you can see what's so interesting

756
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:39.960
about his performance is you can see
you can see him like disassociate in and

757
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:46.840
out on screen, where at first
he's just mechanically doing this, and then

758
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.199
he sees a baghett, yeah,
and he kind of studies the phone and

759
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:58.119
he studies the hair dryer and he
grabs the bigett and his brain turns back

760
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:02.199
on for a moment, and he
takes a bite and as he's chewing,

761
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:09.880
you can see disgusted in himself wash
over, and he takes the bite out

762
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:14.960
of his mouth and throws it on
the ground and then starts trying to dry

763
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.079
off the phone again slowly, And
you're like, how did that forty five

764
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:25.039
seconds on screen make me so miserable? Yes? Now and misery is a

765
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:30.920
very good description of this movie.
This movie is great if you're a masochist.

766
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.159
I like movies that challenge me and
make me feel very strongly, even

767
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.199
if it's very negatively that's one of
the reasons I started the show, yeah

768
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:42.199
you know, was to share those
kinds of films with the weekly spooky audience.

769
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.960
So I felt like would be interested
in, like, what's a movie

770
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.320
that'll challenge you, because they like
to be challenged every week with a scary

771
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:53.320
story. But my god, him
biting that piece of baguette and then grabbing

772
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.039
it with his hand and throwing it
on the ground makes you really kind of

773
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.199
realize where they're at. Yeah,
you know that it's kind of over.

774
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.119
It's sad, yeah, and hellish. So now Namy Watts is trying to

775
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:12.199
escape. She uses some pliers to
cut through a fence to make that a

776
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:17.760
whole bigger No one's home anywhere nearby, which makes sense because they've either been

777
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.039
killed by the bad guys or they're
just not they're not there. Ye're just

778
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:28.599
not staying at their houses right now. The only hope they had was that

779
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:36.559
friends might stop by, but that
isn't until like the next afternoon. So

780
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:42.519
now Naomi Watts gets basically captured and
brought back to the house. Well and

781
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.199
and I thought that was really interesting
because, um, she's on the side

782
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:52.320
of the road and she's she sees
a vehicle coming and she's in such a

783
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:58.199
she's in such flight mode because there
is no fight anymore, there is only

784
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:04.239
flight. She's inside flight mode that
she waits for the vehicle to pass to

785
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.679
make sure that she doesn't see these
two sociopaths in it. Yeah, but

786
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.840
that means she can't flag them down
because it's the middle of the night.

787
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.760
So then she makes the fatal error
of the next vehicle that she sees.

788
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.679
She steps in front of it,
and we know because it just stops.

789
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:27.320
We know what happens. But then
her husband sitting there in the house.

790
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:31.400
We go back to him and he's
trying to dry off this phone and he

791
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.800
manages to call it doesn't work,
so he's just sitting there kind of collecting

792
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:44.159
his thoughts. You hear the front
door open, and then a golf ball

793
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:49.280
rolls across. Really for filmmaking,
so now a golf ball rolls through,

794
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:55.639
and that tells tim Roth's character everything
he needs to know about what is about

795
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:00.719
to happen. And what is about
to happen we will talk about after these

796
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:15.800
quick words from our sponsors. All
right, we're back with more cutting deep

797
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:22.199
into horror, and things are getting
very intense and funny games. At this

798
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:28.599
juncture in their conversation, as the
monsters themselves have returned, they've captured Naomi

799
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:34.440
Watts and now it looks like we're
about to play the last two games that

800
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:38.920
really aren't very funny. So well, and I double checked my notes because,

801
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:45.880
um, after they've captured Naomi Watts
Anne and brought her back, is

802
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.199
when they play the game of saying
the Prayer. Oh okay, it was

803
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.039
okay, gotcha. I wanted to
double check because I was like, wait,

804
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.760
how does how does it go?
So? Um, luckily we already

805
00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:01.639
talked about that. And then and
then U they kill her husband, so

806
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:09.599
and um, all we see after
they kill her husband is it's morning.

807
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.360
Yeah. Uh, she and Peter
and Paul are in rain suits and they're

808
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:21.519
going out to the dock and the
sailing suits which are like raincoats, but

809
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.800
they look like they're basically raincoats.
They look like the guy on the like

810
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.639
Morton Salt or whatever exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little girl by

811
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:35.639
the way. So what's really interesting
about this is, you know, they've

812
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:40.800
got her bound, they've got her
gagged. Um, and as they're setting

813
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:47.400
sail, uh, they're talking about
quantum theory, and even more, they're

814
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:55.280
having a specific conversation it seems like
about a specific work, and they're talking

815
01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:04.440
about communicating between the real and the
unreal, the material and anti material.

816
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.079
Yeah, the material and the anti
material. Yeah, and I remembered that

817
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:13.639
phrase. It does kind of stick
out in your head. So they're having

818
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:19.440
this whole conversation about the material and
the anti material and um, you know,

819
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.719
but is the hero real or is
his family real? Oh no,

820
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.599
well, his family's real, but
he's in the immaterial plane, so now

821
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:34.639
he's unreal. And they're having this
conversation and then kind of unceremoniously, Paul

822
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.400
turns to Peter and say says,
hey, what time is it. It's

823
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:45.400
about eight o'clock, And with Anne
seated between them, Paul looks at her,

824
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:50.320
well, before you get there,
because you're you're building it a perfectly.

825
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.760
Before that, she'd found the state
knife she gave to her son earlier

826
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.840
that day on the bottom of the
boat, and she starts trying to cut

827
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.519
herself free. But they immediately noticed
and go like, wow, you deserve

828
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:07.320
like an Olympic medal of for whatever, like the Olympic spirit, the Olympic

829
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.960
spirit. That's what you really have, the Olympic spirit. And then he

830
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:13.239
just takes the knife and throws it
in the water and yeah. Oh,

831
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.639
and then he gives I believe that's
the last time. He kind of gives

832
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:19.239
the audience like really, yeah,
like you thought that was going to work.

833
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:21.119
Yeah, but yeah, and then
you're totally right. Though. Then

834
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.320
they get in between her and it's
as simple as oh, it's already eight

835
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:30.400
o'clock, push her in town.
And I think that that the kiss of

836
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.760
death because he kisses her on the
cheek, yes, before he and it

837
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:37.760
was so unceremoniously. Yeah, it
was not with love or hate, it

838
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.000
was it was just the thing he
had to do. It. Gave her

839
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:45.960
a kiss and then just pushes her
over the side of the boat. And

840
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.400
Peter says like, oh, she
had another hour. And the change in

841
01:02:52.480 --> 01:03:01.360
demeanor is so psych utterly psychotic,
because um, because Paul says, he

842
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:05.519
says, well, she was she
was spent anyway, there was nothing more

843
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.880
that she could do. Yeah,
and then the goofiest grin washes over his

844
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:13.960
face and he says, besides,
I'm getting hungry, getting really hungry,

845
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.239
And he's like, yeah, you
too. Yeah, And so they go

846
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.519
to another dock. They go to
another person's house, not personal that they

847
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:28.079
had seen briefly before, very similar
to how they got with the family at

848
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:34.599
the beginning of this movie exactly.
And at first she's very hesitant. It's

849
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.760
because it's eight o'clock in the morning. They so because it's doc. They're

850
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:44.800
walking right into their backyard, because
it's summertime and they're on the lake.

851
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.400
The screen door is the only thing
closed, so they're literally shouting through the

852
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:54.639
screen door, Hello, Hello,
anybody that would startle me? Yeah.

853
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:59.920
Um. So once once he identifies
himself, he says, Paul, you

854
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.840
know we met yesterday, and she
finally oh, oh yeah, yeah,

855
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:08.280
come in, come on in,
and he looks at the camera, he

856
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:16.119
looks right at us, the audience, and it freezes and it plays the

857
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:20.840
only music that's consistent in the film. And I kind of wanted to touch

858
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:26.679
on that because a couple of weeks
ago, when I'd watched this by myself

859
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.639
again, i posted about it on
Facebook and I'd kind of mentioned, like

860
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:31.880
in my post, I was like, by the way, I'm keeping the

861
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:39.960
volume at one until after the main
credit, the beginning credits role because it

862
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:45.199
starts out with like classics and like
the family is even talking like they're playing

863
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.280
a game listening to opera, like
oh, you've got a guess, like

864
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:53.679
which which song this is, which
composer it is? And everything again slice

865
01:04:53.679 --> 01:05:00.119
of life, very wholesome stuff.
And when it as soon as in the

866
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.840
beginning, as soon as the credits
start rolling, it immediately changes and it

867
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:10.960
looks like you may have information pulled
up. But yeah, it plays bone

868
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.400
Head by Naked City from their album
Torture Garden, which all of those words

869
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.320
in sequence should give you an idea
of how intense and loud, and yeah,

870
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:27.000
it's screaming, and I mean,
great music if you're into some kind

871
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:31.440
of metal, I assume, but
to go from you know, something like

872
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:40.559
Vivaldi and then immediately smashed to that
is very jarring. So the only other

873
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:44.920
time we hear music in the film, though, is that song, because

874
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.079
there's in the middle when he's chasing
Georgie Junior and he plays it on the

875
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.360
stereo. He says, I want
to play some music for us while we

876
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:57.360
play this game, and then when
it freezes at the end, we hear

877
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:02.800
it again. And that's that's beautiful
because I think I think some directors will

878
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:11.440
sometimes hide behind music, and this
music, or this movie in particular,

879
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:18.760
the storytelling was so deeply reliant on
everything going on on screen and all of

880
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.719
the minute details happening on the character's
faces, that that's the only time the

881
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:29.000
music was needed was to just kind
of snap you out of it, almost,

882
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.599
And that is the film, though, I mean like everything about it.

883
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.960
So it was released in two thousand
and eight theatrically in the United States

884
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:43.760
and Europe. Okay, it was
a massive bomb. It made eight million

885
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.320
dollars in the box office against a
fifteen million dollar budget, and many say

886
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:53.199
that this is the film that killed
Tartan Films. Tartan Films put a lot

887
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.880
of money into it and didn't make
any of it. Back I found the

888
01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:01.119
exact quote that Michael Hennikey said.
He said he wanted to make a message

889
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:06.320
about violence in the media by making
an incredibly violent but otherwise pointless movie.

890
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:13.559
That was exact words, and that's
where he and I disagree. So if

891
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:17.159
you don't mind, I'm going to
soapbox this. I had spoken to some

892
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:20.639
horror movie loving friends years ago after
I first watched it, who said that

893
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:26.920
they disliked the film because it suggested
that horror films and horror and violent entertainment

894
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:34.360
is immoral. I just don't think
that's the movie that they made because to

895
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:40.199
me, all the movie really showed, and maybe this was intentional, is

896
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:45.440
that people who believe that they love
horror and believe that they love violent movies

897
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:51.119
and that they are jaded or not
because the movie says, hey, here's

898
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:55.320
a movie about this family dying,
and you're like, yeah, brother,

899
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:57.960
Like I wear black T shirt,
I was death metal, Like yeah,

900
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.840
that's right, which is the way
a lot of people like to depict horror

901
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.000
fans. It's also a lot of
horror fans like to depict themselves. But

902
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:05.880
you know, it's like yeah,
yeah, yeah, kill him, yeah

903
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.880
yeah, And then what happens.
It's like, why did you want the

904
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:14.039
little boy to live? I told
you he was going to die. Why

905
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:15.720
did you think that she was going
to shoot him with the shotgun? I

906
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.399
told you they're all gonna die.
Why did you think she was going to

907
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:25.479
cut herself loose? I felt like
the movie really just shined a flashlight on

908
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:31.039
how hopeful the audience for these kinds
of movies are by giving you an actual

909
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:39.319
nihilist movie, yes, because most
really upsetting horror movies get points docked when

910
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.479
they're hopeless exactly, they really do. Like I know, I don't think

911
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.800
you've seen Last House on the Left. I need to show you that.

912
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.720
We should talk about that on here
sometime. It's very disturbing film, but

913
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:53.199
it has a satisfying ending. In
like two thousand and six or something,

914
01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:56.800
this guy, this guy made a
movie called Chaos I believe it was,

915
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.199
and it's basically the exact same movie. I mean he ripped it off.

916
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.359
It's not a remake, but he
like ripped it off. But his ending

917
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:06.840
was downbeat, and Roger Ebert was
like, the fact that it had a

918
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:11.840
downbeat ending gave us absolutely nothing.
Yeah, Like we ended up going why

919
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:14.680
did I watch this at all?
I got nothing, Like, if you're

920
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.960
gonna make a great villain, you
need to make a great hero the audience

921
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:24.239
to cheer for even if the villain
wins. And they didn't do that because

922
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:30.840
they're lazy. That's my opinion.
But so with with Funny Games, I

923
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:36.399
felt like if the point was to
say that violent entertainment is pointless, it

924
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:41.720
didn't accomplish that because the movie's good. Yeah, and the movie's not that

925
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:46.720
violent, not in depiction. The
movie is a violent story. The story

926
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.960
is dripping with violence, yes,
but we don't don't see it on screen,

927
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.319
not much. Yeah, we see
some blood, we see we see

928
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.239
I mean, some heinous revelation when
we see that the child is dead.

929
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.840
We just we find out he's dead
just by seeing his brain splattered on the

930
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.680
wall in the television while they're arguing
about while they're arguing in the background.

931
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:10.760
And that was so that was another
one of those shots where it's like it

932
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.800
had to have been thirty to forty
five seconds of literally watching the blood and

933
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:20.520
the brain matter drip on the TV
screen while they're arguing in the background,

934
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:26.279
and they're arguing about not killing the
child, but that he didn't follow the

935
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:30.319
rules of the game that he was
supposed to kill whoever was at the end

936
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.880
of it on any Meani Mighty Mo. But he shot the kid because he

937
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.000
got up and ran. That's what
they're arguing about. They're arguing about the

938
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.119
fact that he did not get picked
by any Meani Mighty Moo, or at

939
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.319
least they didn't get a chance to
pick him in any Meani. They broached

940
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.840
the rules of the game, and
so they're not concerned. They're concerned about

941
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:54.039
the rules of the game, but
not anything else exactly, and that's and

942
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:57.960
that's just for their own amusement anyway. So I think that the film,

943
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:03.720
if anything, is a massive statement
about the fact that people who love this

944
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:09.199
kind of media are actually very sensitive. That's what I think. That's what

945
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:12.920
I got from it, even when
I first saw it when I was twenty

946
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:15.720
two or twenty three. Um,
that's the sense I got. Yeah,

947
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.159
what about you, Um well,
I would have to agree, but I

948
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:24.920
kind of I kind of come at
it from a slightly different angle because,

949
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:28.760
like you said, with my introduction, I you know, you kind of

950
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.960
opened the doors of horror for me
because I have that on me manum,

951
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:38.560
because I really did try to think
about it, like as we've been talking

952
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:44.119
and whenever we would take a break, and before before you introduced me to

953
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:48.680
a lot of horror, I had
seen all of the Ginger Snaps series,

954
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:59.319
so good. There was some smattering
of other weird miscellaneous like Cursed Oh gosh,

955
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:04.039
Cursed World movie. Yeah. Wes
Craven was very unhappy with how he

956
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.560
was treated on that movie. He
made Red Eye to prove he could still

957
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.399
do anything good. I didn't know. I didn't know that. Yeah,

958
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:16.680
Um, so I most of what
I got into into horror was, you

959
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:24.279
know, like, um, mostly
werewolf movies. I'll be honest. So

960
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:28.960
I I've and and I've I've spoken
to other people about this, but like,

961
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:34.119
I'm kind of the outsider coming into
horror. Yeah, over like the

962
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:41.279
past five six years. So I'm
still like infant baby horror nerd. Like

963
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:46.399
I'm a six year old horror nerd. So that's one of the reasons why

964
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:54.319
this film was challenging, because it's
supposed to be. But also why I

965
01:12:54.359 --> 01:13:00.880
think that it has been so pivotal
for me understanding not only Horror as a

966
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:06.359
franchise but also my relationship with horror
is because when you had shown it to

967
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:12.720
me, we'd watched a lot of
the pretty scary stuff, and we'd we'd

968
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.520
even watch some of the stuff that
was a little more challenging, because I

969
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:19.279
think we'd already watched, um,
Cannibal Holocaust. Yes, and that's part

970
01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:23.880
of the reason you brought this up, is because I thought Cannibal Holocaust was

971
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:30.880
really good, but I was relatively
nonplussed by the violence. Sure, So

972
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.920
you were like, well, if
that's how you feel, we really need

973
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:41.079
to check we need to check out
Funny Game. Um. So it it

974
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:49.520
reasserted to me that horror is ultimately
about hope. I agree, because I

975
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:54.199
just that's That's one of the reasons
I wanted to mention that, like Georgie

976
01:13:54.239 --> 01:14:00.600
did everything right when he was running
from Paul, and he we still didn't

977
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:05.199
get a reward. So horror sets
up an expectation as a genre that there

978
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:10.279
will be a hero, or there
will be a saving moment, or there

979
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:15.119
will be something that gets come up
against the monster. Yeah, and then

980
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.359
at the end of the movie,
when it gives us none of that,

981
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:23.079
you do have to sit there with
the question of if this I knew this

982
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:27.199
movie was being honest with me,
why did I lie to myself throughout the

983
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.880
entire movie that it was going to
be anything. You're a little hopeful baby,

984
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:35.359
dummy, because you wear those heavy
metal shirts so that they don't show

985
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:40.199
the tears on your shirt when Bambi
died. That's why. And I'm one

986
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:45.239
of them. I am one of
them. I think that it's wonderful to

987
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.520
celebrate the fact that most horror movie
loving people I know. Most horror loving

988
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.319
people I know, like the people
who listen to Weekly Spooky every week.

989
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:59.319
We're really sensitive people, were very
emotional. We're very empathetic people. That's

990
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:04.159
why we like horror, because we
feel very much. Yeah, and that's

991
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:10.239
that's what I feel like Funny Games
gets across. Even if their director doesn't

992
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:15.439
realize it, he totally sells that
point. Yeah, yeah, it did

993
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:18.960
to me. So it's kind of
like Cabin in the Woods. If you

994
01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:21.319
haven't, have you seen that.
I think we watched that one time when

995
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:26.720
we were tamping. Yeah, well, we'll rewatch it sometime because that's another

996
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.079
one that people thought was hating on
horror fans, and I got the complete

997
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.600
opposite view personally. So no,
I think that Funny Games is. Yeah,

998
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.800
it's just a movie about the fact
that even the most jaded movie fan

999
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:42.840
actually would like hope and resolution and
for good to conquer evil. Yeah,

1000
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.800
I have to agree, Thank you. I don't know if anybody else thinks

1001
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.960
that way about Funny Games, but
I've put now I've finally put that opinion

1002
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:55.319
out there into the world. That's
right. Take that, mister Michael Hennikey,

1003
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.880
sorry about you. You're German though, so please don't yell at me

1004
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.039
or I'll pee a little. So
yeah, I would just hide under a

1005
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.680
rock. Yeah. So, anything
else you want to say about funny Games

1006
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:12.279
before we wrap up our show,
No, just pretty much more of the

1007
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:17.000
same that if someone is looking for
something that is a challenging film, because

1008
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:23.000
that's one of the things that I
One of the things that I like when

1009
01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:27.800
I sit there and talk about movies
on Facebook is they at least want to

1010
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:31.399
kind of have a general idea of
who the movie is for. And this

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movie is for people who want to
be challenged. And that's why, now

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that I've watched it a few times
in the past couple of weeks, I

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probably won't watch it again until I
want to be challenged. But I think

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that's important, and I think that's
one of the things that makes it a

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valuable film. Is it kind of
shines a light on like you were saying,

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it shines a light on what fans
really are like because a bunch of

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hopeful idealists. Oh my god,
I know so many horror movie fans who

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are vegetarians and vegans who work at
animals show here. Yeah, like and

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these are my five cats and I
just rescued another one last week. Yeah,

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I mean me, I mean like, I spent for ten grand up

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01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:23.520
my dogs cancer, like and I'm
a big and I watched Cannibal Holocaust to

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01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:25.920
go what a great film. Yeah, you know, like, yeah,

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we're not the way that anyone wants
us to be depicted. We're not.

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We're totally different. And if that
director doesn't understand that, well subconsciously he

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01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:38.359
does, he dies because he made
a movie for us that is nothing but

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empathy and emotion and caring. Yep. And in fact, by by establishing

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01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.279
the characters with like no major qualities, you established that they're willing, that

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01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.159
we're willing to empathize with people we
barely know at all. Yeah, that

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01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:51.880
we literally only know that they live
and breathe and have family. Yeah,

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just the basic every yeah, which
is like the bare bones for caring,

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01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:00.079
bare minimum of the human experience.
So yeah, well, thank you Rache

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for sitting down with me and talking
about funny games. I think we got

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some good stock. That's good stock, good talk and good stock. And

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I hope everybody has enjoyed this episode. We'll be back soon, you know,

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and maybe a couple of weeks with
another Cutting Deep Into Horror, and

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if you want to contact us,
you could set us an email at Weekly

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01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:24.479
Spooky at gmail dot com. Let
us know a movie you think we should

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01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:27.720
look at. We would totally watch
it, Yeah, I would. I

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mean I think we've got a list
and we're always looking for suggestions. Absolutely,

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01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.319
And if people want to check out
your fiber art, tell them where

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01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.840
they can check it out. Well, you can find me on Facebook at

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also find me on Instagram at our Ridolfi

1043
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:48.119
and that's spelled our eed like dog
olf like frog i and that's how you

1044
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.960
spell that. So now we're gonna
get out of here. I had a

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01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.359
great time with this episode, but
now it's time to wrap it up.

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01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:58.960
So thank you so much for listening
to Cutting Deep in Horror. I've been

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your host, Enrique Kuto with my
co host Rachel Ridolfi. And before we

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get out of here, I do
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1057
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.520
now, my friends, we have
to meschife away to probably end up watching

1058
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:46.960
something else spooky, but also you
know, things more scary like veterinary bills.

1059
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:50.920
So until next time, thank you
again and we'll catch you real,

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01:19:51.000 --> 01:20:04.680
real soon. Bye.