Oct. 27, 2025

Monthly Spooky | Halloween Urban Legends: Poisoned Candy, Haunted Houses & Spooky Stories

Monthly Spooky | Halloween Urban Legends: Poisoned Candy, Haunted Houses & Spooky Stories
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Halloween myths, poisoned candy, haunted houses, urban legends—we dive into the season’s biggest fears and the fun behind them. Henrique and Michelle unpack the poisoned Halloween candy panic, how it started, and why it stuck, then romp through haunted attractions and strange encounters that keep October deliciously spooky. We round it out with a quick October horror watch-list and some eerie stories from the internet’s favorite campfire.
Inside this episode
  • Tiny little skeletons to set the mood and light the jack-o’-lanterns. 
  • Ghosts Following You at the Grocery Store — uncanny vibes in the most mundane place. 
  • Haunted Real Estate Adventures — when the listing price includes a specter or two. 
  • The Hair Museum’s Final Farewell — a curiosity with a spooky send-off. 
  • Halloween Candy Scare → The Poison Candy Myth — where the fear began and what the record really shows. 
  • October Horror Movie Roundup — quick hits, including recent watches like Good Boy. 

Plus fresh spooky news
  • 40th episode milestone — a celebratory shiver: 40 months of Monthly Spooky! 
  • Daily shows all October — keeping the jack-o’-lantern burning every day. 
  • Tomorrow’s tease: Trick or Treats 2025 — Jack Scratch returns with three scary stories. 

Hosts: Henrique (your guide through the gloom) & Michelle (co-host in the haunted aisle). 
New here? This episode stands alone—jump in anywhere.

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Haunted real estate at a killer price. Ghosts following you

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at the grocery store, tiny little skeletons. They're fun and

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we're just unearthed and poison in your halloween candy.

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Get comfortable, turn off the lights. It's monthly spooky.

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Well, hello, my spookies. It's of course October, the spooky season.

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And if you're listening to this, you are somehow not

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tired of my voice yet, And it is indeed that

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time of the month. It's monthly spooky. I'm, of course

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your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and

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co host Michelle. Michelle, how are you? I didn't mean

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to start with the hard questions. I just thought it

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would be good to pull you in, you know. No,

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oh but Michelle, how's your spooky season been so far?

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I don't know.

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Not good, not good in what way?

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I don't not happy, so I don't want to do it.

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So you don't want to do spooky season?

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Yeah?

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So have you been have you been like purposely avoiding

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anything spooky or creepy or No.

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Not purposefully. I just haven't been seeking it out.

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It looks like somebody needs me to send them a

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giant bag of candy corn. No, I forget. Are you

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pro candy corn?

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I am, but I don't want it.

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Why Why wouldn't you want candy corn?

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I don't know if it would make me feel good, So.

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I'm not going Oh yeah, yeah, I shouldn't go with

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stomach stuff. Yeah, like eating stuff. The thing was I

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was trying to go with for those who I don't

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know how you wouldn't be aware, but might not be aware.

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I have been releasing a show every day in October

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and it has been interesting, to say the least. It's

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gone really well. This is actually this is the third

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year that I've done a new show every single day

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in October, and of the three, this is the least

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chaotic one, and it's also the biggest one.

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Good.

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The sheer amount of shows, the sheer length of episodes.

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We've had a lot of longer episodes, shows that are

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an hour, hour and a half. We're releasing next Wednesday,

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and this is an exclusive if you're listening right now.

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Next Wednesday, we release a sequel to last year's novella

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Dirt Babies by Bruce Haney. We're releasing Asylum of the

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Dirt Babies. It's a sequel and it's really good. And

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it's longest standard episode of Weekly Spooky ever. It's two

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hours and forty minutes. Wow, it's really really good.

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Sorry, it's like a movie but longer.

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It's almost a it's a it's a short novel, yeah,

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is what it is. So and of course on on Thursday,

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we also have another novella courtesy of our very own

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Rob Fields. We've been featuring a bunch of his novellas

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this October. It's been really fun, but it's definitely been

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a bigger challenge. Last year I managed to keep it

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all together, but it was really chaotic and I was

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struggling with like my voice getting knocked out and all

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that stuff. But this year, the stories on average are

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three times as long as they were last year. That's

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on average. There are few that aren't that long. But yeah,

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so it's been It's been an interesting experience and the

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audience doesn't really get an insight into that kind of

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chaos and stuff unless they listen to this show or

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maybe cutting deep into Horror, which is the other show

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I do that's conversational, because otherwise you know, I'm not

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gonna what am I gonna mention it? In the two

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minute intro. Yeah to a story. Yeah, Hey, everybody, I'm

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really tired. So a woman disappears. But we've also done

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some stuff I'm really proud of on Weekly Spooky that's

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kind of newer, which is we did three very special

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episodes of Terrifying and True that were a bit more expansive.

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We've been experimenting with bigger episodes of Terrifying and True

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where we're able to dive deeper into not just the

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stories or the concepts, but we're able to dive into

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like broader concepts, which I love. I love the idea

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of not just doing a story about like a true

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crime story, but doing a giant piece about vanishing hitchhiker

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legends or I really loved last month's spook Hollo episode

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and the Resurrection Mary episode. Those were really fun. And

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this month we did we did an episode about Elmir

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Curdie the corpse that toward America and ended up Yeah,

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and then ended up a decoration in a Spook Show

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ride in California.

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Oh, I do know about that. Yeah, you should.

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Listen to that episode. It's really interesting. It was discovered

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by a crew member on the set of The Six

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Million Dollar Man because they were filming in the ride Wow,

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and somebody was like, move that dummy out of the way,

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and the arm fell off and the guy picked it up.

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It was like, that's a bone, that's a human arm.

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It was mummified at that point, of course, But it

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also leads into a somewhat broader topic about the fact

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that corpses were toward and like if you were an outlaw,

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for instance, sometimes people would like buy your corpse or

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just happen to obtain your corpse, and they would charge

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people at mission to see it. Yeah, stuff like that

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was very common in the eighteen hundreds. And that's how

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he ended up in some spook show. Is he had

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been sold from one carnival to another carnival to another carnival,

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and each time less information was exchanged till to the

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point where somebody just saw what looked like a body

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and went, oh, it must be a dummy because there

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was no manifest saying real human corpse.

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Can you imagine now having a real human corpse and

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not realizing it though, because I can't.

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I can, to be honest, no, not now. I won't

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say I can empathize, not like directly, but I've had

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friends who own warehouses and they really don't know what's

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in there.

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Okay, But if I'm saying, yeah, so if you have

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a warehouse and there's a human corpse in there that

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you don't know about, okay, but if you buy something

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that is literally a human corpse, I think I would

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know it was a human corpse.

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I get that. My point is that, like if you

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own a spook show or a carnival and another carnival

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goes out of bi business and they're like, hey, give me,

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you know, fourteen grand and you can just have this stuff. Okay, Yeah,

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you just kind of go okay because it's a fire sales,

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so you're just taking what they've got. You don't really

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even you know enough about their carnival to know that

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they have like rides and decorations, and you're like, well

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that's worth it. I'll just take it.

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Yeah, I'll just take this corpse.

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I'll just take this human.

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I'm just gonna grab it right now. We're going with it.

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A buddy of mine who owns a lot of oddities,

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he actually has to have his attorney keep him up

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to date on if the things he has are legal

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in certain states because idea yeah, it turns out sometimes

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they're not anymore. And then he has to make the

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concerted decision to like when am I going to put

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that in a van and take it to a warehouse

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I have in another state, because yeah, I'm not supposed

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to have it anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll stick to

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collecting like Terminator two memorabilia, I guess. But uh, the

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other two we did that I thought were really fun

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and fascinating. Where the Vampire Sacramento, which is a terrifying

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true crime story about a guy who was mentally disturbed

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and wo'd go around checking doors and if the doortob

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was unlocked in the middle of the day, he'd go

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in and murder the people inside and drink their blood.

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Yeah, that's why you should lock your door.

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You always lock your doors. Yeah. And then the biggest

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episode of terrifying and true ever over two hours and

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ten minutes, I did a deep dive into the Warrens,

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the first famous paranormal investigation couple, and it's really fun.

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The first half of the show is presenting all the

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legend in a fun and spooky way, and then the

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second half is pointing out how there's lots of lies

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and misdirection and just what kind of people the Warrens

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might have been. Yeah, so it's been a really cool

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and I will give one quick tease before we take

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this break and jump into the spooky news. Next month,

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we are doing three terrifying and true stories somewhat related

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to Thanksgiving, with the first one being the actual history

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of the Donner Party. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, a

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little cannibalism humor. But then we're doing two different episodes

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about the cruel, terrifying reality of hardship during the time

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of the Pilgrims. So one of them is like how

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much starvation there was, and it leans into the Native

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Americans that they were doing business with as well, because

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one thing people often ignore about that time period is

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the Native American tribe. The reason they were extra ready

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to be friends with the Pilgrims is they had just

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went through an epidemic and lost a ton of their population,

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like about ten years before they arrived. So they were

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like so happy to make friends and they desperately needed peace.

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They were not in the shape to fight a war

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at all, Like they were just completely not ready. So

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we have one that's about the real harsh realities. But

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then for fun, We're going to do one about the

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the folkloric and supernatural fears of those native tribes and

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those puritans from the pill from the Pilgrims in that

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time period and history. Cool, so we get to lean

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into like things they may have worried about because of

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their traditions and legends and stuff like that. So I'm

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really amped about it.

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Good, I'm glad.

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So before we get ready for the spooking spooky news, Chell,

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do you want to know the topic for tonight? I

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guess we're gonna do a little bit of a of

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a exploration of the whole concept of poison Halloween candy. Oh,

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did your parents check your candy? No? Wow, it's like

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we have three kids, like if we yeah, it's fine.

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No, we just no, No, they didn't. I don't think

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they believe that the candy was going to be poisoned.

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Did they tell you to at least like throw anything

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away that's not sealed or to check if your candy

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had been tampered with?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, okay, so they didn't totally not care if you

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live or die.

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They I mean, they were just like, if it's been

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tampered with, that's the ones you eat first.

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Yes, they don't go bad.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's good. That's good. That's good education. I love that. Okay, Well,

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we're gonna do a little dive into an article all

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about it. We did a terrifying and true years ago

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about about poison Halloween candy. It's always an interesting topic

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and solid. As we head into the last week of October,

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Halloween is this Friday, and having Halloween and the thirty

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first on a Friday makes this month feel really weird,

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like you and I are used to the show being

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much closer to the end of the month, yeah than

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it is. So with that all being said, we're going

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to take a quick break and we'll be back with

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a whole bunch of spooky news because this October got

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the memo and came up with some spooky stuff right

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after this. All right, now we're back and chill. You

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mentioned during that break you're not feeling super good in

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your brain space. Well, that sounds like you're upset. I mean,

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you have a had ache. Geez, you know what. I try, Okay,

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I try.

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I'm sad. Anyway, Okay, thank you for that that that

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that was for me.

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You were trying to make me feel better and I

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appreciate that. So I thought to make you raise your

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spirits a little bit, maybe you could you could cue

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the thing for the for the News.

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So we're gonna do the Spooky News. That what we do,

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the Spooky News.

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Hey that worked, Okay, cool. I knew you had it

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in youa So this first story from the Spooky News.

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And I want to mention also, I forgot to mention

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this at the top of the show. This is our

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fortieth episode of Monthly Spooky Wow. We have done forty months.

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Oh my god, say it like that. It feels like

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a lot. We've done forty months of Monthly Spooky Wow.

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Wow. That's a lot, because there's not that many months

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in a year.

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No, there's less than forty months in a year. Yeah,

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you heard it here first folks nailed it. No, but

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uh And I just want to take one quick second

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and say just thank you so much Michelle for being

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my co host on this and for being game for it.

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Because when I came up with the idea, it was

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during a really weird time in the show, because we

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had just started to grow a lot and I really

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wanted to create some new value for the listeners that

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was fun for me, and I really honestly wanted people

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to get to know you. If I'm honest, they don't

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know me. Wow, that's a hateful thing, you don't know. No,

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they love spicy Chell. They love Spicychell though. They love

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when you're pissed off. It makes them happy.

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I don't know.

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I'm just saying. At the end, all I'm trying to

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say is thank you, Cell. Sorry, but also but I

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also want to mention that several of the spooky news

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stories we have today are somewhat updates, like we've covered

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portions of these before. And what better way to celebrate

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forty months forty episodes of monthly Spooky I know what

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you're thinking. Forty that's an odd number to choose. It's

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because it's also October. If the forty didn't land on October,

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I would have just waited until fifty or something. But

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we're at prime time. But I thought what better way

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to kind of bring it full circle than to talk

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about some stuff that we have talked about before. Yeah,

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So with that all being said, this article talks a

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little bit about the Warrens, which we were just talking

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about Ed and Lorraine Warren, which we did a terrifying

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and true episode about about a week or so ago.

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You could check that out if you haven't had a

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chance to listen to it. It's a really interesting thing.

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But the headline is owners of Connecticut's Warrens occult museum

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house invite to public to send in their haunted items.

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Oh, I could send in my stuff, just all of it. Yeah,

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I think it's haunted.

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What makes you think that's haunted?

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I don't know. It was here and I just looked

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at it and I was like, it's probably haunted. So

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now you have it, yay, enjoy.

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It's mostly old rags.

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Yeah, I just didn't know what I was. I was

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supposed to throw them out because they have like turbentine

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on thems. What was just like, you can have.

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It's old rags and dead batteries. You're not supposed to

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just throw them away. So here you go. They're haunted.

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Yeah, they're totally haunted. This one used to make a

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clock move.

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That got me. Good job, Chell, dit you uh. The

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new owners of Ed and Lorraine Warren's house and a

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cult museum are looking for individuals to mail in their

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allegedly haunted items. Now I don't know if you have

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you been following or heard anything about the new owners

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of ed Lorraine's a cult Zoom, I haven't. So. Their

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museum is supposedly full of items from all of the

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exorcisms and stuff they've been involved with.

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Yeah, they just like keeping things.

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Yeah, And we talked a little bit about how they

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had taken the real Annabelle doll on tour and one

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of the people taking care of it suddenly died and

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it was very sad, honestly because he was like a

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very young person. Comedian Matt Rife and YouTuber Elton Casti

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are the new owners of that house and museum after

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purchasing the property in August for one million dollars. I

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want to say, if I were a very successful comedian

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or YouTuber or influencer, this is the kind of crap

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I would start buying. If I made more than like

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ten million dollars, I'd be like, so, there's a famous

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occult museum. Can I afford it? Because then I'll just

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buy it to say I bought it, even if I

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sell it in the year, at least I owned it.

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Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

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I don't know. You're like, I don't know it depends

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on how the like the walls and the floor looking stuff.

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That would be the response.

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Exactly, I'm not just buying some cult museum that's like

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falling down and has an unstable foundation.

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But it is in Connecticut, which is nice.

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Yeah, but that doesn't mean the house is nice.

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No, I'm just saying that the probably have some curb

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appeal and stuff because Connecticut, you know, there's those people

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have nice things.

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What about property taxes?

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Those are goddamn high.

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I'm sure, Yeah, I don't do this sounds bad.

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I mean, you say that, but then you won't live

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next door to me. Even though the property taxes are

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super low here.

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It's haunted.

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All the houses around me are no.

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Just the ones directly next to you are haunted.

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Well, I didn't need literally next to me. I met

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on the same block because the house is directly next

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to me aren't for sale.

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That's because everyone's dead and they haven't figured out the

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chain of like ownership yet.

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That would be really funny if I was like, no, no,

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all the houses around me are empty, but none of

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them for sale. All of them, every single one. The

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Occult museum houses items that were investigated by the Warrens

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during their paranormal investigations. Items in the museum include a

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shadow doll, a toy dinosaur from the Devil Made Me

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Do It case, and of course the famous Annabelle doll.

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Yeah I could get a toy dinosaur way cheaper just

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saying yeah. After purchasing the house, the new owners have

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opened it up for private overnight stays, which include access

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to the museum. One of the reasons they're doing that,

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I'd almost guarantee it is the museum got shut down

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for zoning violations a while back, because you know, people

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are parking all over the street, you know, Like, I

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don't like zoning at all, But I will say I

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understand some of the argument, like my township has because

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their attitude is like, you can have a small business

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in your house, but not if it's client driven, Like

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you can't run a hair salon out of your house.

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And their idea, I guess is that cars will take

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up all the spots on the side of the road

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and make it unpleasant. Yea, So I mean, of course,

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my next response is like, well, you know, not if

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we hide. But I don't have a business that has

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a lot of clientele, so.

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That you can hide.

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You know what, all my clients are the ghosts around me. Yeah,

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haunt the houses.

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Yeah, so you don't even have to try to hide them.

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No, no, no, I have a license ghost to talk to.

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Overnight stays that the property are currently sold out through

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May tenth. Wow, that's man. There goes my plan for

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us for Christmas.

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We can see can do it for I don't know, the.

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Fourth of July?

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Yeah, there we go.

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Yeah. But those interested in staying Overnight may sign up

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on the house's website to be notified of cancelations or

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more available dates. In addition to offering Overnight's stays, Casti

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and Rife are inviting people to send in items they

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may believe are haunted. Quote. Whether you want to give

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your item a new home or need to get rid

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of it, we will accept it, reads a note on

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the website. Those who submit an item are asked to

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include a hand written or printed note what other kind

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is there? Detailing the story of the item. The website

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further notes that all items quote will be opened and

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investigated on camera for a new series for from Casti's

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Overnight YouTube channel, which currently boasts more than one point

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nine million subscribers. Wow, we should send it an episode

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of the podcast and be like this is definitely haunted.

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Haunted, yeah out loud on your show. Yeah yeah, there you.

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Go, fabulously wealthy. We're going to take a quick break

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and we'll find out a little bit more about this

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scheme right after this. I say that with love, and

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we're back talking about the new owners of Ed and

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Lorraine Warren's home and museum. The website did not note

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who would be determining if the items are haunted or

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where the items would be stored. Ownership did not respond

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to requests for And this is from Connecticut Insider dot com.

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So if you don't respond to Connecticut Insider dot com,

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who do you respond to? Really hateful, hateful quote whether

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you want to give your new item? Oh wait, I

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reread the part. Sorry, The items in the museum still

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belong to Tony and Judy Spara, who are the Warren's son

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in law and daughter, respectively. The Sparas are the co

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directors of the New England Society for Psychic Research or NESPER,

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a paranormal investigative organization founded by the Warrens in nineteen

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fifty two. Wow, that's how early they were in this

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whole paranormal thing. Though. No matter what you think of

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the Warrens, and I definitely have mixed to negative opinions

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about them personally, they laid the groundwork for an immense

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amount of what the modern paranormal movements are. Yeah, they

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came about like right when spiritualism ended in America. Are

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you familiar with the spiritualist movement?

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I don't know.

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It was just the time of seances and aura readings

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being mainstreamed, like you know, rich people would go to

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seances and stuff. Yeah, the spiritualism it started I think

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in the late eighteen hundreds and it went into the

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early ninety nineteen hundreds, and it was it was very

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uh popular for a while there. But obviously it also

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got a lot of backlash from religious people because it

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was literally occultism and stuff like that, and it was

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mostly run by shysters. But that's why a lot of

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the old Halloween traditions we've looked at in America they're

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very they're very like occulty because they're kind of on

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the tail end of the spiritualist movement anyway, So the

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warrants came about like right when the spiritualist movement ended,

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and not only did they start doing all this paranormal stuff,

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but it was all with a Catholic bent, which is

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very interesting, even though like Ed was not a priest

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and Lorraine was a clay claravoyant, but you know, Ed would.

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The idea was they would hear about a ghost and

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they would go there and she would you know, listen

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for the ghost's voice or whatever, and Ed would read

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Bible versus stuff like that. And they claimed that whenever

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they went to a haunting to check it out, the

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main thing they were trying to denote was whether this

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was a haunting or a demonic possession. That was like

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what they were always saying was that, like, is this

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the ghost of somebody who died hanging around or is

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this like an evil entity that's really here to hurt people?

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That was like kind of their gig. Yeah, And of course,

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if you watch the Conjuring movies, you've seen a much

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more attractive and exciting version of them, because that is

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most certainly true. And I'll be speaking about that later

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because I did see the last Conjuring movie came out.

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The final Conjuring movie came out this month and I

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watched it in the theater. Yay, But we'll be talking

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about that at the end of the show. Yeah. In

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a statement to Today, Barra said that they quote have

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no plans to ever sell the artifacts and are leasing

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the items to RIF and CASSIY in a five year agreement. Okay,

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so they bought the house and the and the space

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and then the goods in it. It's like, you know,

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it's like buying a house with the furniture already in it.

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You know, we lease in the furniture.

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It's weird to lease it though, because like it wouldn't

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be like, hey, I'm moving, You're gonna have my furniture,

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but you gotta pay me for it every month. But

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that'd be weird.

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It's smart smart. Well, it's extra smart because if they

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end up having a boatload of success with the YouTube channel,

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with the people coming to stay there, then after five

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years they'll get so much more if they offered either

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lease it again or sell it out right. Finally, they

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could easily triple or quadruple the valuation of what they

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might have been willing to pay if the proof of

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concept comes through. Yeah. True, that's smart business, but also

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it's unspeakable evil that, unleashed upon man, would end all

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life as we know. Da da da da da da.

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So in a since expired Instagram, oh my god, this

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is the news now. In a since expired Instagram story

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posted last week, Casti said that he was planning on

464
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.680
announcing that he Rife and YouTuber Exploring with Josh Odd

465
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.960
name must be Polish would be partners in a bid

466
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.640
for the Conjuring House in Rhode Island. A Halloween auction

467
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.480
for the house was canceled last week before Casty could

468
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.599
make that announcement, after the underlying mortgage loan for the

469
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:36.160
house had been sold. Oh hmmm, the identity of the

470
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.079
purchaser of the loan has not been revealed. Oh I

471
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:47.799
hope it's not a spook Key bank, America's most haunted

472
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.279
bank purchased that mortgage.

473
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.359
Wow.

474
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.119
So yeah, that's I mean, that's really it's it's fascinating

475
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.640
to me that Ed and Lorraine Warren's their memory really

476
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.359
is still rocking and a roll in. And it is

477
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:02.960
also funny because like if you look at some of

478
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.799
the items, they really are like worthless things. Like it's

479
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.759
like there's a care bear, just old, all old stuffed animals. Yeah,

480
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.119
none of it looks particularly shocking.

481
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.119
Well, they look old and old and scary.

482
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.720
Hey, is that why people are scared of me?

483
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.720
No, because you're not that old.

484
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.559
Oh you're so nice. People don't like nice Michelle. They

485
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.200
want angry Michelle. We've gotten people writing in about how

486
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.720
much they like spicy Michelle.

487
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.599
So what I'm not. I'm just trying to talk and

488
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:40.240
that's what it sounds like. I don't know, I'm.

489
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.119
Just trying to talk and it comes off angry. It's

490
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:43.680
the bronx in me. Yeah.

491
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.880
Actually, it is definitely is, because I've had people in

492
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.839
the past be like, wow, you're really angry, and I'm like, no,

493
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.319
just talk talking like I'm not angry at all.

494
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.319
Oh really that might be because of your scowl. Yeah,

495
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:07.960
that's the one you No, no, go on.

496
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.759
Please know what I have in the past. That's it.

497
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.279
I was going to say. Back when I lived in Jersey,

498
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.200
there were multiple times when I'd be traveling or whatever

499
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.000
and people and I would they be like where do

500
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.599
you live And I'd say New Jersey, But yeah, You've

501
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.759
got like that kind of that East Coast aggression, and

502
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:28.759
I was like, I'm from Ohio. Like, I'm not from Jersey,

503
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:30.839
and at that point I lived in Jersey for like

504
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:35.160
eight months. I wasn't even like formatively there yet.

505
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:36.720
You know, No, it changed you.

506
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.559
Honestly, Jersey does change you, though. Yeah, but we're going

507
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.920
to take a quick break so that I can bathe

508
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.200
off the New Jersey and also we can take a

509
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.519
look at a story we talked about earlier this year

510
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:57.079
or last year involving a strange hole in Chicago right

511
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:11.480
after this. All right, my spookies, we're back. We're back, baby. Ah.

512
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.640
I don't know, Sorry, I have been. I've been working.

513
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.279
I am an odd ball, you know, when it comes

514
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:24.480
to schedule and work. I made it ten not even

515
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.880
ten days in October before I started just getting up

516
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.799
every day eight in the morning and going to bed

517
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.400
kind of normal and getting up every day eight in

518
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.440
the morning because the workload load was just so intense.

519
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.759
I was like, I can't get away with going to

520
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.359
bed at two and waking up at ten, yeah or eleven.

521
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.000
I can't get away with it anymore. Yeah, there's just

522
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.039
too much to do. And I kind of like it.

523
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.400
I'm not gonna lie, but it is. It is weird.

524
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.200
Yeah, it's a little weird that you get up so

525
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.079
late at eight o'clock in the morning.

526
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.599
Well, that's because I can't. I can't. I can't go

527
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:01.119
to bed earlier and have like a successful sleep. If

528
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.400
I don't see midnight, it's weird to me. It feels weird.

529
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:08.200
I I always see midnight. So if I go to

530
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:12.119
bed between one twelve and one, generally getting up at eight,

531
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:16.240
I feel great. So, you know, but that was extra

532
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.839
hard because I was sick at the beginning of September,

533
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:20.720
and that threw me off because you know, most of

534
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.519
the time I was trying to sleep in more, you know,

535
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.160
to catch up on like to rest up and heal up.

536
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:27.559
So now I'm kind of back in my groove of

537
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.480
like if I sleep for six hours, I feel pretty

538
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.359
pretty solid good. So that's just always been me. I

539
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.720
don't know what what's your what's your sleep number?

540
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.480
Like eight, you're.

541
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.920
An eight eight person? Yeah, a lot of people are

542
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.519
eight persons. That's why it's it's generally the it's considered

543
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.319
the rule. But then when you talk to a sleep expert,

544
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.480
they say six to nine hours is the average amount

545
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.759
of sleep people need. Yeah, yeah, so, but I've always

546
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.359
been over on the side of like the six I

547
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.839
just always have been for as long as I can remember.

548
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.640
But every now and then you do need to just

549
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.480
you know, get.

550
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.359
More because you're not getting enough well.

551
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.960
Or you over exert yourself, or you stay up really

552
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.160
late one night and you get even less sleep, you know,

553
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:16.720
which does happen, but you know it's a balancing act anyway,

554
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.279
how rude? Okay, So I mentioned I teased before the

555
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.599
break that this story reference is a story we covered

556
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.960
a while back because in Chicago there was a strange

557
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.039
hole people were talking about. This is an update from

558
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.279
Huffington Post dot com. The headline is Researchers discover shocking

559
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:43.400
truth about Chicago's rat hole. Yeah you remember the rat hole.

560
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.279
Of course, I remember the rat hole.

561
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.319
Geese. It's a hole that really looks like a rat.

562
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.000
Because a rat probably died in it, and then it

563
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.440
went away and then there was just a hole.

564
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.240
I guess we're gonna find out really well. It says

565
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:03.079
that they discover shocking truth, and headlines never lie in media.

566
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.799
So the article starts, oh god. The article starts with

567
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:12.240
ah rats, Oh good job, guys, good job. Researchers think

568
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.759
they have debunked the origin of Chicago's so called rat hole,

569
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.839
one of the Windy City's weirdest local landmarks. Pine hold

570
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.880
On the rat Hole wasn't what you think. It wasn't

571
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.720
some back alley bar that served as a speakeasy for

572
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.400
the city's notorious gangster clientele, or a tenement stuffed to

573
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.160
the brim with junk. It was actually a full body

574
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.039
impression of an unlucky critter that got wrapped in wet

575
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.599
sidewalk cement in the city's Roscoe Village neighborhood about twenty

576
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.960
or thirty years ago. The imprint closely resembles that of

577
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.680
a spread eagle rat, complete with the outlines of what

578
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.880
appeared to be tiny claws, arms, and legs, as well

579
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:50.440
as a tail.

580
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.759
I'm wondering if they're going to say that it's not

581
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.319
a rat, it's a squirrel, because I go I'd buy that.

582
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.519
I don't know though, because the tail is really skinny.

583
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.880
Yeah, but maybe the tail was just really skinny or

584
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.640
the impression because the tail of squirrels a lot of fluff,

585
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.480
So it didn't that's true. Yeah, let's find out.

586
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.319
The rat hole went viral early last year after comedian

587
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.960
Winslow Domain posted a photo of it on x. The

588
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.039
post drew curious tourists to the site at all hours,

589
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.119
with some leaving coins and other odd objects around the

590
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.279
impression as tribute. It's funny, they say that, because that's

591
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.480
what you would do when you visit corpses like I

592
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.640
was talking about in the nine eighteen hundreds. You would

593
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.160
like put coins on them or in their mouths. That

594
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.599
was a big one. Yeah, put things in their mouths

595
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.880
ew wiw, that's really gross. Yes. The constant traffic drew

596
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.559
complaints from neighbors, though, and in April of twenty twenty four,

597
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.279
someone filed the filled the impression with a substance resembling plaster.

598
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.720
City workers eventually removed that slab of sidewalk and took

599
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.200
it to the City Hall County Building. A plaque honoring

600
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:03.920
the rat hole remains at the eyetal site. Researchers hailing

601
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.160
from the University of Tennessee, New York Institute of Technology,

602
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.840
College of Osteopathic Medicine, and the University of Calgary published

603
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.559
a paper Wednesday in the journal Biology Letter in the

604
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.159
journal Biology Letters that concludes the rat hole was most

605
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:24.079
likely not created, not by the titular rodent but a

606
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.559
squirrel or muskrat.

607
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.119
Yay, sorry, gigs.

608
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.559
Did you already hear about this? Oh?

609
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:31.079
I didn't.

610
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.880
I just figured yeah, because there's a lot more squirrels.

611
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.079
Yeah, and I think that rats are gonna be less

612
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.400
likely to just be out when all that stuff's happening

613
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.920
than a star Chicago in the middle of the day

614
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.199
when they're paving things.

615
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.280
That's a fair point. Plus, you know, we already heard

616
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.760
about how dangerous squirrels can be out in San Francisco

617
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.079
area fighting people.

618
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.000
Yeah. Yeah.

619
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.960
The researchers studied online photos of the rat hole. They

620
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.760
didn't even go to it. Really, this is science now.

621
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.360
The researchers studied online photos of the rat hole and

622
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.960
compared measurements of the imprint to the museum specimens of

623
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.760
animals commonly found in the Chicago area. The presence of arms, legs,

624
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:18.079
and a tail excluded birds, snakes, frogs, and turtles. Wow. Wow,

625
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.000
Yeah they are scientists.

626
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:20.880
Yeah.

627
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:26.360
Shrinking the possibilities to a mammal the claw outlines further

628
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:31.800
reduced the field to rats, mice, squirrels, chipmunks, and muskrats.

629
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.000
The study said, have you ever seen a muskrat in person?

630
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:36.239
I don't know.

631
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.719
Oh my god, they're so cute. Had I couldn't. My

632
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.559
brain was like, what do they look like? Yeah, they're

633
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.000
very cute. Can you mentally recall what a muskrat looks

634
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.719
like or not? No, do you want to see a muskrat? Sure,

635
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.559
you want me to show you a muskrat. This is

636
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.119
the kind of hard hitting radio journalism you get here.

637
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.239
Look how cute they're so chunky.

638
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.840
I don't think that the muskrat is just walking around

639
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.239
on the streets of Chicago.

640
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.039
That I don't know. I don't know how common muskrats are.

641
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:11.920
But if you look at the picture of the rat hole,

642
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.039
which of course they don't include a good one, Yeah,

643
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:22.000
in a musk wait rat hole Chicago. I'm so good

644
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.599
at googling. There he is you see? Oh is it

645
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:26.119
cut off?

646
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:27.679
Yes?

647
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.079
Yes, here we go. So that's the rat hole.

648
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.599
I don't think it looks like a musk rat.

649
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.000
It looks more like a squirrel. The tail is the

650
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.760
only thing though that makes me think it could be

651
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:41.519
you could, but you could be right about it being

652
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.960
the squirrell's tail, you know, the fur off of it

653
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.000
or something. Yeah, but I also just don't know, like

654
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:53.559
how common muskrats are in Chicago, Like, I don't know.

655
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.599
For all I know they're like, oh man, we're maggoty

656
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.639
with them. Muskrats are common in the Chicago area, particularly

657
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.960
in the Caago River system. That makes sense the Chicago

658
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.559
River would house something like a muskrat, although they are

659
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.559
rarely seen in the downtown area. See but the river

660
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:11.519
is near downtown.

661
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.840
But that does mean they're wandering the streets.

662
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.800
Like some kind of vagrant. Yeah, well, we'll look into

663
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:30.480
their research a little bit more right after this. All right,

664
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.360
let's get to the let's get to the core of

665
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:48.199
this shell. Okay, inquiring minds want to know it's too important. Yeah, shell. Yeah,

666
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:52.159
the creature's long forelimbs, third digits, and hind paws were

667
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.440
too large for a rat, but fell into the measurement

668
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.519
ranges for eastern gray squirrels, fox squirrels, and muskrats. The

669
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.320
most probable suspect is the eastern gray squirrel, given how

670
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.840
abundant that creature is in the Chicago area.

671
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.760
The study concluded, Yeah, I doubt they would say, like

672
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:11.920
a fox squirrel.

673
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.400
I don't even know what that is.

674
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.199
I thought I did, but I'm not sure now. I

675
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.079
think I'm thinking of a red squirrel.

676
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.760
Oh oh they are red. Oh they have like the

677
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.679
they're underside is like is like rust colored, and the

678
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.519
underside of their tail is as well. Okay, here i'll

679
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:31.880
show you.

680
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.519
Yeah, they're really cute.

681
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.960
They're well, yeah, squirrels are fine.

682
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:41.280
They're really cute.

683
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.280
They're not nice. Squirrels are not nice, but they're cute

684
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.920
and they're not your friend.

685
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.440
They could be your friend if you feed them.

686
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.800
Mm. I don't think that's how it works. I think

687
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.840
it gets worse from there. Other researchers have theorized that

688
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.800
a squirrel created the print, and the study acknowledged that

689
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.000
cement is typically wet during the day and rats are nocturnal,

690
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.719
and the creature didn't leave any tracks, suggesting a squirrel

691
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.440
misjudged a leap or slipped from a branch and landed

692
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.360
in the wet cement and.

693
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.719
Then got up probably and was fine.

694
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.519
Yeah, they do like fall in dart like right away,

695
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.559
so I could see that right now. The squirrels aren't

696
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.320
fucking with my jack a lantern. So we're cool. Good good,

697
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.440
But I haven't checked today. Maybe I'm maybe I should

698
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.800
go out there right now. Yeah, it's cold out here today.

699
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.079
I don't know what it's over there. It was like

700
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.840
sixty it was Are you serious? It was thirty four

701
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:40.880
degrees this morning?

702
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.039
Oh, it was like forty one here, so yeah, it's

703
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.719
a bit warm four wow.

704
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.119
Ok oh, it's actually okay, it's I never leave the

705
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.480
house like. It's actually fifty seven degrees.

706
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.719
Here now, okay, so it's cos.

707
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:58.119
Yeah, well but it was. Yeah, it was thirty five

708
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:03.320
degrees at eight am. It's very chilly. Yeah, and that's

709
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.840
why I didn't mow the lawn. And that's my story

710
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.239
and I'm sticking to it. Nobody can come at me

711
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:07.440
on that.

712
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.039
Yeah, I believe you. Oh it's fifty seven here.

713
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:17.679
Too, oh high five. Hey, he won't even reach, she

714
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.159
won't even try. The imprint didn't show any sign of

715
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.760
a bushy tail, but hair often lacks the rigidity to

716
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.800
create deep, well defined impressions, and it would have been

717
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:33.840
surprising to find such an imprint. The study said. Yeah,

718
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.639
it must be nice to be vindicated, huh sometimes quote.

719
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.159
We therefore proposed that the specimen be re christened the

720
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:48.119
Windy City Sidewalk squirrel. See this is why no one

721
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:56.320
respects science. Yeah, because rat hole sounds awesome. Yeah, sidewalk squirrel.

722
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:00.400
Now also, now we probably know I would assume this

723
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.719
s world didn't die in the hole. Yeah, so because

724
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.199
it just fell so like, it's not even that cool.

725
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.440
It's like it's like if I put my my footprint

726
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.440
on what cement, it's pretty cool, but it's not that cool.

727
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.159
You know.

728
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.960
I agree, it's pretty cool, it's just not that cool.

729
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.000
Yeah, exactly, a.

730
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.760
Name more fitting of its likely origins and more aligned

731
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.679
with the evidence at hand. They wrote, again, this is

732
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:30.000
why no one trusts scientists anymore. It's because they make

733
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.840
suggestions like that. Gosh. Next they'll tell you why high

734
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.360
speed rail is what you should want, bastards. We have

735
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:43.320
another story that I'm sure you'll remember us talking about

736
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:51.480
this person before. Yeah, and it's from our og source, Yeah,

737
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.800
Mirror dot co dot UK. Baby.

738
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:55.719
Yeah.

739
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.440
The headline is I talk to ghosts and one haunts

740
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:03.440
me at the suit supermarket, fruits and veg flies everywhere.

741
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.360
Wow.

742
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.880
Now, the reason you're going to remember this is because

743
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.880
we talked about this woman before. An Oxfordshire singer who

744
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:19.000
once claimed to be married to a ghost has now Yeah.

745
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:25.000
Yeah remember her pees Okay, yeah, yeah, has now turned

746
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.880
into a paranormal investigator, communicating with spirits in the most

747
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:37.360
unexp unexpected, unexpected places, including supermarkets. Brocardi, known for her

748
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.320
romantic entanglement with Eduardo, the apparition of a Victorian soldier

749
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.960
who appeared in her home ended their spectral marriage through

750
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.199
an exorcism last year. I remember so vividly when we

751
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.079
talked about this.

752
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.320
Yeah, no, it's not acceptable.

753
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:55.880
No to exercise somebody.

754
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.800
Yeah no, what you you want to be married to them,

755
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.679
so you exercise them. You could just tell them that

756
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.880
we're getting a divorce. It's not like you're really married anyway.

757
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.400
But there is the questionable element of like he was

758
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.679
living in her home even before she knew him. Well, yeah,

759
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.360
living existing.

760
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.440
Sometimes sometimes you just have roommates.

761
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.960
That you don't that you don't know about her choose.

762
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.559
Well, I mean there are plenty of places where you

763
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.639
don't choose your roommates. So I think it's just the

764
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:28.519
same situation.

765
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.039
Okay, we don't.

766
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.840
Exercise people just because we're not in love with them anymore.

767
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:37.519
It's not okay.

768
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.400
I like that you This is a real like stance

769
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.159
you have. It is I respect that I respect that

770
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.880
you have like a very strong moral opinion about exercising

771
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.400
ghosts that you're married to.

772
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.679
Or really any ghosts do you do? I'm nod into that.

773
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.840
Now, what if they're evil?

774
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:57.679
I don't think ghosts to evil.

775
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.119
So you don't think evil people can become ghosts?

776
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.360
No, I just don't think that people are evil. I

777
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.199
think people are just kind of bad. So I think

778
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.800
there are probably some really annoying, pissed off, angry ghosts

779
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:11.800
that I wouldn't want to be around. But I don't

780
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:12.519
think they're evil.

781
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:14.760
But is there a line, like would there be a

782
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.519
line a ghost could cross where you be like this

783
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:17.440
needs an exorcism?

784
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:20.920
I guess if it started murdering people, what.

785
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.760
If it just started threatening like really really threatening.

786
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.159
People, how do we know? Like where does speech end?

787
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:34.920
And Well, the argument you're making that I appreciate very

788
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.760
much about free speech is in free speech you're able

789
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.880
to get away from the speech you don't like. M

790
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.400
If it's a ghost that just can manifest into your home,

791
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.800
that is tricky. Okay, here's no no, you know what? Okay, Fine,

792
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.440
let's go this direction. Property rights? How can we enforce

793
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.360
property rights? That's the problem here?

794
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.679
Well, instead of exercise him can we just say, like,

795
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:06.320
can we just do like eviction, Like I just say, like,

796
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:07.639
you can't live here anymore.

797
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.760
But what if they don't respect the eviction they just

798
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.639
keep coming back? Then exorcism time.

799
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:14.599
I guess then you call the cops and have them

800
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:15.760
forcibly removed.

801
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.239
I don't think they can do that because ghost I don't.

802
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.800
Think they try. Do they do? Do you know cops

803
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.119
come and try? Because I think that's the next step.

804
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.119
Well, we're going to take a break and I'll ask

805
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.119
Jeeves if if that's ever happened, and we'll talk a

806
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.079
little bit more about this h singer songwriter from the

807
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:53.559
UK and her relationship with ghosts right after. Okay, so

808
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.559
Chille and I will have to agree to disagree on

809
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:03.599
the never an exorcism mentality, Yeah, but I will say

810
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.840
I mean, if there's a way to get a ghost

811
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:10.480
to comply with property rights and such without an exorcism,

812
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.199
I support that.

813
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.199
Good because I just don't think people really try that hard.

814
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.719
No, I agree. I think this woman went to exorcism immediately.

815
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.760
Because she just yeah, exactly just like that.

816
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.800
And for the clout, yeah yeah, yeah, although she's not

817
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.000
a cloud chaser at all. Here we go. Despite their split,

818
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.440
her and Eduardo the Ghost, the forty two year old

819
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.599
singer songwriter who boasts one hundred and ninety three thousand

820
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.960
followers on Instagram, continues to encounter the spirit world. She's

821
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:47.119
now a paranormal investigator shocking right, yeah, and claims to

822
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.280
have communicated with over one hundred spirits, spirits, some of

823
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:56.760
whom are as quote annoying as they probably were when alive.

824
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.119
She sounds like a delightful person.

825
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally want to talk to her

826
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:05.440
if I was a spirit.

827
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.960
Or even just a human, if I was just alive,

828
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.519
I'd want to talk. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. She seems

829
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:11.719
like she'd be fun at parties.

830
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:12.800
Yeah.

831
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.840
Her spectral encounters include a drunk miner who met his

832
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.119
end on duty and quote idiot ghosts attempting to intimidate

833
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:22.679
the living.

834
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:24.880
Oh fuck her. I hate her.

835
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.920
She has a real like uh like a real superiority

836
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.760
complex thing. Ghost. Yeah, what is this? What is this?

837
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.760
She looks like you would expect. She's like, you know,

838
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:45.519
just all gothed out. Yeah wow yeah, yeah, I I'm

839
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.800
glad she has no friends. No, she has friends, no,

840
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.199
not when you talk to ghosts like.

841
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.440
That, oh, well, she doesn't have ghost friends anymore.

842
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.719
Quote. I try to keep my communications with ghosts a

843
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.400
little relaxed. Sometimes a spirit is wrapped up in their

844
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.280
own pain and thoughts and just wants to voice their

845
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.719
sorrow or be noticed. She shared with what's the jam? Yeah,

846
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:11.599
and then you hear their sorrow and go, wow, you're

847
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.000
an idiot exactly.

848
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.239
You tell other people about it.

849
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.039
She's like the worst therapist ever, Like, these are my problems. Wow,

850
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.400
they're dumb. You're not very smart. It's like, thanks, therapist,

851
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.599
not very helpful. No. She explained that modern buildings often

852
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.480
stand on ancient burial sites or houses where someone has

853
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:36.159
passed away.

854
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.360
That's usually true.

855
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.760
I suppose when these structures are demolished and new ones erected,

856
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.360
the spirits don't forget. What if they're idiots.

857
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.679
Though, Uh, I don't know. Maybe then they do forget,

858
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.039
so we don't have to worry about those.

859
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.519
Oh thank goodness. She even had a ghostly follower in

860
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.920
a supermarket once, causing fruits and vegetab to roll off

861
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.599
the shelves, leaving shoppers baffled.

862
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.320
No, they were annoyed with her. And that's a really

863
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.840
convenient way to get around, being like, I'm really sorry

864
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:11.960
I dropped all those grapes.

865
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:18.559
Excuse me? Miss? Is this your idiot ghost knocking things around?

866
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.559
It's their quote, it's their emotion that I pick up

867
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.519
on first. I've heard spirits crying out in pain for

868
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.559
loved ones, she said. Is she gonna call him an idiot? Though?

869
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:31.559
I don't know.

870
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.880
But I've also encountered ghosts who are completely devoid of emotion,

871
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.880
like a miner who had nothing to say apart from

872
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:42.679
asking me for a drink. His voice was slurred and

873
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.760
he was swaying while sitting at a bar in his

874
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.719
dusty boots and soiled clothes. How are is clothes soiled

875
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.920
if he's not even real? Like drink? Yeah, that's a

876
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:53.639
fair point too.

877
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.000
Also, like him being drunk and asking for a drink

878
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.440
does not mean he doesn't have any emotions. I don't

879
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.920
think people drink a lot because they're like, I have

880
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:04.920
no emotions.

881
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.840
I mean, I've never drank. I don't know.

882
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.719
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's what it is.

883
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:14.480
I didn't tell us, Yes, Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com,

884
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:22.199
tell us why you drink? Eight hundred word limit? She added,

885
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.719
quote the miner informed me that he died on the

886
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.239
job and didn't spend enough time drinking and enjoying life.

887
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:33.920
Oh so he he regrets things, that's that's something.

888
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.840
Yeah. Quote he grunted every time the doors swung open.

889
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.800
It felt like he resented the living. He probably just

890
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:43.599
didn't like you. You're not a very good example.

891
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.199
Yeah, Or maybe he didn't like the sound the door made.

892
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.719
Who knows, Yes, some doors make weird sounds. Yeah, maybe

893
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.280
a little oil on that thing.

894
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.320
Is exactly exactly. Maybe it was really squeaky, and he

895
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.480
was like, Ah, somebody fucking do something about that already.

896
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:01.079
Come on, put a little of that rustle not rustolium,

897
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:02.119
that stuff on it.

898
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.199
Wy, you shouldn't put that on door.

899
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:06.960
That's why I didn't want to say it. Yeah, because

900
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:13.519
I use what's it called, like the silicone spray. That

901
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.360
stuff's good and it stays for a really long time.

902
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:17.960
There was that day I got crazy and I bought

903
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.360
a can of it and I just oiled every hinge

904
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.559
in the house. I remember, everything sounds so much better.

905
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.320
My front door, Like you don't even hear it open anymore,

906
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.800
Like it makes no sound, that just glides. Wow, it's beautiful.

907
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.960
Riccardi said that in a certain way, ghosts are quote

908
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.880
exactly like living humans. Did you why do you need

909
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.239
to preface living? Okay? Uh? She added, each one has

910
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:47.559
a different story and personality and a unique way of communicating.

911
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.440
Some ghosts are idiots and want to cause trouble, just

912
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:52.920
like some living people do.

913
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.039
She's just jerk.

914
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.320
Oh, it gets better. If someone is brash and annoying

915
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.400
in life, they are often brash annoying in death. Well,

916
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.440
I know whose ghost I'm gonna avoid when she dies?

917
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:08.440
Mm hmmm, hey, I mean Riccardi also once had a powerful,

918
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:11.639
yet fleeting encounter with a young girl at an old saloon,

919
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.320
as well as a monk from the twelve hundreds. But

920
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.119
were they idiots? The singer said, quote she must have

921
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.599
been about seven and was wearing a dirty white dress.

922
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:23.840
Why is everybody dirty?

923
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.280
Because that's how they were when they died.

924
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:31.000
Okay, okay. The child led me to a doll that

925
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.840
was sitting in a rocking chair. I tried to connect

926
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.800
with this young girl and found out more using my

927
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.079
spirit rods, but she told me that she was tired

928
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.360
and too poorly to play. Too poorly. That must be

929
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.960
a British thing too. Poorly to play. Her eyes were

930
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:51.079
almost hollow. Like I love that this I don't know.

931
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.920
I love that this article is full of just like

932
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.480
selfies she took of herself from Instagram, like every like

933
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.199
six or six sentences. It's just like a big sure

934
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.119
of her, like twisting her head a weird way.

935
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.679
Yeah you know, Yeah, that's great.

936
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.440
Let's see. I've also encountered Oh sorry, uh, she continued.

937
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.840
It troubled me to feel that this child's ghost was

938
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.159
still suffering even in death. I also encountered the apparition

939
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.360
of a frail man who was wasting away before my eyes.

940
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.360
He was chanting in what I believe to be Latin,

941
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.280
but his chants were like cries. The monk was begging

942
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.760
for food and told me that he died of starvation

943
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:35.199
due to malnutrition. What kind of what do you? How

944
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.360
do you talk like that? I don't know he died

945
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.000
of starvation due to malnutrition.

946
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.840
I don't know. Maybe, okay, so let's let's be fair.

947
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.800
Maybe the monk just doesn't know what those two things

948
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:49.480
are and he got confused.

949
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.320
That could be yeah, Brocardi doesn't just sense emotion or

950
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.480
hear voices. She claims to also be able to smell

951
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:02.920
ghosts in her presence. All right, wow, this is gonna

952
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.679
be mean. I just have a feeling, she said. Quote.

953
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.800
Often a ghost will trigger your senses. When I saw

954
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.280
an apparition of Marie Antoinette at Versailles, it wasn't just

955
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.480
a visual. She had quite a unique scent of menthol,

956
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.119
peppermint and almost herbal smell.

957
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:20.280
Hmm.

958
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.519
I always wonder what Marie Antoinette smelled like.

959
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.039
You know, we should look into it and see if

960
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.920
she's right, because maybe someone would tell us.

961
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.599
Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. Tell us what you

962
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.360
believe Marie Antoinette smelled like eight hundred word limit. We're

963
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.679
gonna take a quick break and we'll find out what

964
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:51.039
other ghosts smell like right after this. So let's dig

965
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:57.840
a little deeper into this. Lady's Regina george like ghost relationships.

966
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:02.480
M do you know who Regina Georgie's No, she's the

967
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:07.480
main mean girl and mean girls. Oh you can't sit

968
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:08.719
with us that person.

969
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:13.360
Yeah, sorry god.

970
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:18.400
Quote. Sometimes seeing a ghost is subtle, peaceful, and they

971
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.679
just pass through. On occasions, they want to take hold

972
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.440
of you and make an impact.

973
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.000
Like physical impact, like slap.

974
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.920
Intense headaches, pains in the chest, and extreme nausea can

975
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.960
all be symptoms of paranormal activity.

976
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:38.760
That's what's going on on this.

977
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:44.039
You have a ghost, oh man, or it's your printer again.

978
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:50.960
Either way, oh. Bricardi also visits haunted houses, but she

979
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:54.920
says she finds them fascinating rather than scary. That's how

980
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:56.960
my buddy Dave talks about haunta. He's like, these are

981
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:59.400
just like interesting to look at. I'm not scared or anything,

982
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.880
just cool look at and he runs through the whole

983
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:07.840
thing as fast. Again, that's a true story, she said. Quote.

984
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.199
Sometimes I still get unsettled, but I view the ability

985
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.800
to see the dead, to see dead people, as a gift.

986
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.119
I travel the world exploring haunted places, and no two

987
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.679
locations are the same. Isn't that true of all things?

988
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:22.280
No two places are the same.

989
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.000
It should it should be at least.

990
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.480
People often assume that spirits are whole, But some of

991
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.079
the ones I've seen are dismembered and disfigured.

992
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:34.599
People assume spirits are whole.

993
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:39.599
I don't know, I don't I'm completely confused by that. Yeah,

994
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.559
I've seen a floating severed head before, and a cat

995
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:43.519
with no tail.

996
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.159
Oh no, that's a tail. Maybe it didn't have a

997
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.960
tail in life.

998
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.679
So now we're animals have apparitions too.

999
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.199
Are you saying you didn't know that animals had apparitions.

1000
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:01.880
I was not under I was under the impression that

1001
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:02.480
they did.

1002
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.719
Not really, huh, I don't I don't know why.

1003
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:08.760
I was under the impression that if you saw like

1004
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:13.719
an animal, like air quotes ghost, it was like like

1005
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.639
it was not like the way a ghost is a person.

1006
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.599
It was like more like a I don't know, like

1007
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:24.119
aesthetic almost it was aesthetic. It was part of the

1008
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.000
human ghosts.

1009
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.000
Like, wow, that's really interesting. I've never heard that before.

1010
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:32.079
Yeah, that's that's my understanding. Like if you were in

1011
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:33.599
a house and like a dog came at you would

1012
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.079
because the guy who died there that dog was his

1013
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.719
dog or something. Although I did see Good Boy, which

1014
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:40.960
involves dog ghost.

1015
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:43.880
So yeah, I don't know. I mean I've heard I've

1016
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.719
heard of like, you know, like cat ghosts and stuff

1017
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:47.880
like that, So I don't know.

1018
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:50.280
I just feel like if we're going into that, then

1019
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.639
we're gonna just be maggoty with ghosts just everything.

1020
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.199
That's what she's saying.

1021
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.280
Ah, that would be good for her pocketbook. Oh the

1022
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.480
cat let out a shrill me out like it was

1023
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:07.360
in pain. Let's just do that. Yeah, in the desert,

1024
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.119
I even encountered something that didn't look human. H Does

1025
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:16.800
she mean like it looks like an alien?

1026
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.920
Or or was it so disfigured that it didn't look human?

1027
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.960
And that's really really mean to say.

1028
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.880
I wish she was like some some ghosts aren't idiots,

1029
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.079
they're just ugly. That would be really funny. What does

1030
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.239
this one? It's the places that have multiple spirits with

1031
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.639
different personalities that drain you, or when you have several

1032
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:40.039
ghosts with malevolent personalities battling for your attention, that's when

1033
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:45.960
you have to maintain control. In addition to her supernatural

1034
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:51.039
dispe air pursuits, Brocardi is also a talented musician, sharing

1035
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.079
her work on her website. I'm not mentioning it because

1036
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.039
if you really want it, you'll find it yourself. I

1037
00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.119
don't know. Should we should we listen to her music

1038
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.880
and decide if it's idiot or just disfigured.

1039
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:04.480
I feel like that's mean.

1040
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.800
I mean, I don't mind, that's why. That's why, Yeah,

1041
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:09.239
she's mean to these poor ghosts.

1042
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.559
Like, I don't mind listening to her music, but I

1043
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:12.960
don't want to be mean about it.

1044
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.239
She recently dropped a new track titled feed My Soul

1045
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:20.280
featuring Ray Lucier.

1046
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:31.239
From Corn Oh really yeah, whoa.

1047
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.440
I'll never do that again on the show. Okay, So

1048
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:38.000
that's that's that. Yeah, that lady, her personality something to

1049
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:39.639
be desired for those poor ghosts.

1050
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.960
But I'm glad that she got more promotion from Marinacoda

1051
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:43.679
UK Like.

1052
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.360
Yeah, me too. And I hope Eduardo's okay, since I

1053
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.239
guess he was banished to the land of wind and

1054
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.519
ghosts but he wasn't fun anymore.

1055
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.400
So yeah, so it's okay. Yeah, yeah.

1056
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.280
Here's the story on a lighter note. CBS twelve dot

1057
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.719
com reports human remains discovered at lake Worth construction site

1058
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.159
hm Lakeworth, Florida. Human bones were dug up at a

1059
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.039
construction site on Monday. While construction crews were digging at

1060
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.840
the site, located on Davis Road, they found the bones.

1061
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.079
A spokesperson from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office says

1062
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:22.519
the construction crews alerted deputies, who then contacted the medical examiner.

1063
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.920
A PbSO spokesperson said the bones on the property appeared

1064
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.400
to be a femur and pelvic bone. The examiner later

1065
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:35.920
confirmed the bones were human. Well, because you're having a

1066
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.360
rough week, a lot of these stories are at least

1067
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.320
somewhat related to real estate. Yay. A team from Florida

1068
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.840
Gulf Coast University responded to the scene and discovered additional bones,

1069
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.800
prompting a halt in construction as an investigation gets under way.

1070
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.400
Jacqueline Milby, who lives on Davis Road, took cell phone

1071
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:58.440
video after noticing several Palm Beach County Sheriff's cruisers lining

1072
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.320
the streets and a research team huddled around a table

1073
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.559
at the site. Quote. I've seen a lot of documentaries

1074
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.079
and they're definitely looking at something on a big table

1075
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:11.679
and brushing thigs Off said. I love the local news.

1076
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.840
Don't ever change local news. Milby's ten year old son, Carter,

1077
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.440
also thought it was unusual. Quote, my mom was freaking

1078
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.039
out because she was like, look, look over there, and

1079
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.400
I saw cops surrounding this hole looking into it, he said.

1080
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:31.440
Eleana Aguier agera eight, and her mom, Angela Bryant, lived

1081
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:34.400
just a few doors down from the construction site. They

1082
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.639
walked over to see what was going on. Quote, I've

1083
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:41.280
never heard someone find bones like in real life, Ageta said,

1084
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.440
it's kind of interesting. At least it's an eight year

1085
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:48.119
old girl. I mean, like, so I get that. Yeah,

1086
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.400
the construction site is believed to have been a location

1087
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:57.239
frequented by unhoused individuals. Oh, that's the that's the term

1088
01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:58.239
we're using now. Huh.

1089
01:01:58.360 --> 01:01:59.760
Yep, that's the term we're using now.

1090
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.480
I'm not trying to be edgy, but I think we

1091
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:04.599
need to go back to vagrant. I think vagrant is solid.

1092
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:05.280
Okay.

1093
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.880
I think people don't like vagrant because the V and

1094
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.280
the G make it sound mean.

1095
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.800
It does sound mean, yeah, but I don't think it's

1096
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:15.679
a post to sound nice either.

1097
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:17.760
Well, it's not a good thing to be a vagrant,

1098
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:24.880
that's for sure. So yeah, at this time, it's unclear

1099
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:28.400
if the bones belong to one person or multiple, or

1100
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.920
how long they may have been there. At this point,

1101
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.039
investigators say there are no signs of foul play. Quote.

1102
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.800
I hope whoever it is, whomever the body parts are

1103
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:41.400
and bones, they get closure with their family, because that's

1104
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:45.280
still sad. Bryant said all recovered skeletal remains will be

1105
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:48.880
transported to Medical Examiner's office for further examination and identification,

1106
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:53.679
which could take some time. Another forensic team is set

1107
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.079
to come to the construction site on Wednesday to continue

1108
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:59.400
sifting the property. PbSO deputies will be out there at

1109
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:03.239
the scene through the night guarding the area. Mmm.

1110
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:04.920
Gott to guard the bones.

1111
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.719
Gotta bar it, gotta bart it, gotta guard it. H

1112
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.079
I should You're right, I should sleep more.

1113
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.480
Yeah.

1114
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.840
Uh. And there's only one comment on it, and it's

1115
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:21.320
like clinically insane person. So okay, Well, we're gonna take

1116
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.119
a quick break and when we get back, we're going

1117
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.440
to talk about another skeleton being found, possibly the most

1118
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:41.199
adorable skeleton you've ever seen? What right after this? All right,

1119
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.679
my spookies. I know Chell was rather perplexed by my

1120
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:52.679
teas before the break. Yeah about this adorable skeleton? Yeah,

1121
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:58.800
so have I piqued your curiosity? Well? Yeah, okay. So

1122
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:03.559
this is from Live science dot com and the headline

1123
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:08.480
is miniature skeleton a ghostly two thousand year old party

1124
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:17.360
favor from a Roman banquet. Oh look at him, he's adorable.

1125
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.280
He's really okay looking.

1126
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.239
This small bronze skeleton is one of only a dozen

1127
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:32.400
known examples of ancient Roman larva convivales. A banquet ghost

1128
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:38.719
figurine given out as a party favor two thousand years ago. Wow,

1129
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.639
must have been a big party if it's bronze party favors, right,

1130
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:46.880
really bronze. I mean, like, I don't know how much

1131
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.400
bronze is worth, but I know metalworking.

1132
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.280
Is hard, Yeah, exactly so.

1133
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:52.840
But look at him. He's pretty cool. He's got like

1134
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:57.119
really big teeth and eyes. He's missing most of his limbs,

1135
01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:57.679
but you.

1136
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.000
Know that's nobody's hard to make those.

1137
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.320
It would be hard and for them to survive two

1138
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.920
thousand years. Let's see. The skeleton originally had jointed arms

1139
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.280
and legs, but only a portion of its left leg

1140
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:15.719
remains today. Its skull features large, round eye sockets and

1141
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:20.000
a toothy grin. The bronze figurine measures roughly two point

1142
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.039
six inches or six point six centimeters in height and

1143
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.960
is in the collection of Getty Via in Los Angeles, California.

1144
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:32.159
According to a nineteen eighty study by then Getty curator

1145
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:36.400
Faja Kousi Frell, the skeleton was a kind of memento moriri,

1146
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.280
a symbol of the brevity of life and the inevitability

1147
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:41.320
of death.

1148
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:44.840
I mean even that. Or someone was like, you should

1149
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.880
see I made these really cool little skeletons. It was

1150
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.199
so hard, I'm giving out people.

1151
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.679
The spooky skeletons were probably handed out at dinner parties

1152
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:59.159
in a nod to Epicureanism, the philosophical system that considered

1153
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:02.960
the considered that because death is human's main fear, we

1154
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:07.480
should take pleasure in what life has to offer. I

1155
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:08.360
feel like you're opposed.

1156
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:13.039
You're like, no, I mean yeah, I don't think we

1157
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.440
should take pleasure in anything. Just be worried about stuff,

1158
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:18.440
because that's what you're supposed to do.

1159
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:28.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, according to you. Yeah, it's fair, fair point.

1160
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.280
Banqueting and death were often linked in Roman art and literature,

1161
01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:37.480
According to the Getty. In the novel The Satyr Khan,

1162
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:42.000
written in the late first century AD by Petronius, a man,

1163
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.039
a Petronius, that's his whole name, okay, fine, a man

1164
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.119
named Trimalchio was hosting a dinner party. The narrator tells

1165
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:55.760
of a quote slave of quote, a slave bringing in

1166
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.960
a silver skeleton so contrived that the joints and movable

1167
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.360
vertebrae could be turned in any direction. I threw it

1168
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.599
down upon the table a time or two, and its

1169
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:10.760
mobile articulation caused it to assume grotesque attitude.

1170
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.000
People are so weird, so their.

1171
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.079
Game was like dropping it on the tip of whoa

1172
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:25.440
who like that? Whoa. I'm glad we've come so much

1173
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:31.639
further haha swiping through cat videos. Yeah, tremulcio. The host

1174
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.639
then exclaims that quote, this skeleton before us here is

1175
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:39.159
as important as we ever were. Let's live then while

1176
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:45.840
we may, and life is dear. All right, you're completely

1177
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:46.840
unmoved by this.

1178
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.760
I'm sorry. It's not not like it's a real skeleton.

1179
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.760
It's just some pieces of metal. It's not it's not

1180
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.800
as important as we ever were. Or I'm not sure

1181
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:58.320
if that means that we're really important or it means

1182
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.639
that we're not really important.

1183
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:05.079
Hmmm, yeah, I'll give you that one. I don't know. Yeah,

1184
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.719
the getdy example of the banquent ghost lacks scientific accuracy. Quote,

1185
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.440
it was perhaps more important that the bony specters were

1186
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:21.279
lively causey Frell wrote, Okay, yeah, well that's a spooky,

1187
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:26.319
scary skeleton that sends shivers up your spine. Yeah. Wow,

1188
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:28.840
it is wild to think it was probably made between

1189
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.479
twenty five BC and one hundred AD. That's just nuts

1190
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.279
to think about. Yeah, it's nuts to think about. If

1191
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.000
you wanted to go back to two thousand and two,

1192
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.439
that would be like Marty McFly going back to nineteen

1193
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.159
fifty five and back to the future. Oh god, yeah. Yeah.

1194
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:44.960
People get mad at me when I point stuff like

1195
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.800
that out. I do it a lot. Oh yeah, yeah

1196
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:51.720
yeah that one hurt yeah a little. Then yeah, yeah,

1197
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.720
Rachel gets mad because I point that out a lot.

1198
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:55.760
She'd be like, I did that back in high school, like,

1199
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:57.159
oh yeah, thirty years ago.

1200
01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:58.000
Oh god.

1201
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:00.279
She's like thanks for that, and I'm like, no, I'm

1202
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:05.600
always here to help. So, speaking of museums of value, cell,

1203
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:08.560
first of all, you like museums, right, they're okay, you

1204
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.520
go to a lot of museums. No, but you have

1205
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.600
a lot of museums in and around Philly. But do

1206
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.000
you have a hair museum?

1207
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:21.920
I hope so well.

1208
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:26.359
huffingtonPost dot COM's article says Missouri Hair Museum is closing.

1209
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:35.840
No trest collection to be scattered around us, Like, no independence, Missouri,

1210
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:40.199
that's what mo is. Yeah, Missouri, da century old wreaths

1211
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.159
made from human hair fill the walls of Layla's hair Museum,

1212
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:48.880
and glass cases overflow with necklaces and watch bands woven

1213
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:54.079
from the locks of the dead. Oh oh, Now it

1214
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:55.159
bothers you because they're dead.

1215
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.079
No, it bothers me because their hair is being used

1216
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.640
to make things. I thought we could just see hair

1217
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:03.199
and be excited about it.

1218
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:05.600
That's what you're mad about. You were like, I just

1219
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.560
wanted to look at the hair. Yeah, so commercial. It

1220
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.119
used to be about the hair man exactly.

1221
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.439
I don't need it made into things.

1222
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.960
Kids these days need the hair woven into things. When

1223
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:20.520
I was growing up, we were just happy to see hair.

1224
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:29.600
Damn it. I you scare me sometimes, Cell. We'll learn

1225
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.600
more about this hair museum and hopefully know more about

1226
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:47.000
Chell's opinions on hair after this. So this hair museum, Yeah,

1227
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.680
I don't know. I'm not that grossed out by human

1228
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:50.920
hair in general. What about you?

1229
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:53.880
Oh, I'm not grossed out by hair. I just want

1230
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:55.760
it displayed in its normal state.

1231
01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.520
I ever tell you about my mom went to beauty school?

1232
01:10:59.520 --> 01:10:59.960
To ever tell you?

1233
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:01.119
I don't think so.

1234
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:04.359
Yeah, my mom went to a year of beauty school. Wow,

1235
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.319
and that's when she learned that touching other people's hair

1236
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:08.479
disgusts her.

1237
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:11.520
Fuck yeah, yeah I could. I could. I could see that.

1238
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.279
Yeah, I love that because when she told me that,

1239
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.039
I was like, well, I mean that would stop you

1240
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.000
mm hmm. That's what I learned that exactly. That job

1241
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:24.399
made me want to vomit the end. Uh. There are

1242
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:30.359
also tresses purported to have come from past presidents Hollywood

1243
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:39.319
legend Marilyn Monroe, okay, and even Jesus. Why that will

1244
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:40.079
make you laugh.

1245
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.520
I don't. I don't think they have Jesus' hair.

1246
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.439
I'm leaning toward now. Yeah, if you could see the

1247
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:56.439
hair of any president, which would it be, I don't know.

1248
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.399
I felt like you'd have this just ready, you'd be like, oh, obviously,

1249
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:03.279
Calvin Coolidge. I thought you'd just be ready. No.

1250
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.840
Sorry, I don't really think about president's hair very much.

1251
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.079
Oh okay, I don't know what you do on the

1252
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.600
weekends then, because that's my that's my move. So for

1253
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.760
about thirty years, this hair art collection in the Kansas

1254
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:22.199
City suburb of Independence attracted an eclectic group of gawkers

1255
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:26.079
that included the likes of heavy metal legend Ozzy Osbourne.

1256
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.760
He did have hair, he did have hair. Yeah, yeah,

1257
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:32.800
and he passed away recently. I wonder if he did

1258
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:34.000
donate any hair to there.

1259
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:36.159
I don't know.

1260
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.079
I'm wondering where this where they're obtaining this hair.

1261
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.000
I assume someone just goes around and cuts it off

1262
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:45.520
people when they're not looking.

1263
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:47.119
I mean, I would hope.

1264
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.039
Yeah.

1265
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:54.960
But the museum's namesake, Layla cal Kohoun, died last November

1266
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.840
at the age of ninety two. Oh wow, so hair

1267
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:04.079
keeps you young. Now, her granddaughter, Lindsay Evans, is busy

1268
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:10.279
rehoming the collection of more than three thousand pieces Wow

1269
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.800
to museums across the country, including the Metropolitan Museum of

1270
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:18.479
Art in New York and the National Museum of Women

1271
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:21.800
in the Arts in Washington, DC. You're not that far

1272
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:26.039
from either of those. I'm not, no quote. Every time

1273
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.039
I come here, I feel her here, Evans said Monday,

1274
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:32.560
while touring with representatives of the National Museum of Funeral

1275
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:38.039
History in Houston, who left with around thirty pieces. Yeah,

1276
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.319
this place is her. Oh sorry, what I.

1277
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.359
Was just thinking when she said I feel her here

1278
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:46.479
that it was a misquote.

1279
01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:50.000
Now I know why you were laughing. So I thought

1280
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.800
you were just laughing at someone morning their loved one.

1281
01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:59.920
I was like, here comes spicy Michelle Boom, vicious, fatalent.

1282
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.359
This place is her and so I feel like this

1283
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:09.319
process of rehoming her collection has helped me grieve her

1284
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.239
in a way that I didn't even realize I needed.

1285
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.439
That's really sweet. Actually I could see that though. If

1286
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.159
like you have a loved one's life's work and getting

1287
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.960
to meet people from like all over the world that

1288
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.199
want a little piece of it for their what they're doing,

1289
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:31.800
it could really feel special. Yeah, so that's kind of awesome. Actually,

1290
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:38.119
it all started in nineteen fifty six when Kohoon, a hairdresser,

1291
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:45.159
was shopping was shopping for Easter shoes. Where is this going?

1292
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:50.119
Inside an antique store, she found a gold frame filled

1293
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:53.640
with strands of hair twisted in the shape of flowers.

1294
01:14:56.079 --> 01:15:00.079
Quote she said, forget the Easter shoes. Evan said, my

1295
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.039
granddad always said that this was the most expensive piece

1296
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:06.319
of the museum because look at what it started. That's funny.

1297
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.079
Evans is keeping that one for herself. That's really sweet. Actually, yeah,

1298
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.840
I mean I find it. I find it like soft

1299
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:23.119
morbid human hair stuff. I find that soft morbid. It's morbid,

1300
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:25.079
but it's not like I wouldn't be if somebody said

1301
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:27.039
I have a collection of human hair, I would be

1302
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.640
I would like a little more information, but I wouldn't

1303
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:33.479
immediately just be like bye, yeah, like as opposed to if

1304
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:35.920
they said, like, I collect like human bones, I would

1305
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.039
be like, what the hell are you talking about? You know,

1306
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:40.399
it'd be a lot more questions.

1307
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:42.359
Yeah, yeah, but.

1308
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:44.920
With human hair, I'd be like, uh, how did you

1309
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.479
get into that? And hopefully then it would I'd still

1310
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:52.119
be a little weird. Okay, you know what, it's still weird, Yeah, weird.

1311
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:57.319
This form of art peaked in popularity in the mid

1312
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:00.439
eighteen hundreds, as women coiled the hair of the dead

1313
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.880
into jewelry or told their family history by intertwining the

1314
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:10.680
curls of blood loved ones into wreaths. I feel like

1315
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:17.359
we've we've kind of switched that in our culture, Like

1316
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:19.239
did you have a piece of hair in your baby book?

1317
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.199
Or you're like stuff from when you're a baby.

1318
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.000
Maybe I actually think I might have some of my

1319
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:26.000
grandmother's hair.

1320
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:27.079
Oh really?

1321
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:30.680
Yeah? Or someone does, because.

1322
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.119
I know that in my family, keeping a lock of

1323
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.119
hair from when you were a child is normal.

1324
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:39.319
Yeah I don't know. Yeah, well, and.

1325
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.359
We have a lot of those things where like they've

1326
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:43.680
become a little bit softer, a little bit less morbid

1327
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:48.600
over time, probably coinciding with when we stopped doing funerals

1328
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:53.920
in your literal house. Yeah, and changed the name to

1329
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.000
the living room to be a real dick to the

1330
01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:03.279
dead people. The living room, it ain't the parlor no more. Yeah,

1331
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:07.239
now I'm going to exercise you because we're getting divorced.

1332
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.159
But hair art had fallen out of favor by the

1333
01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:15.319
nineteen forties as memories were Oh that makes sense, as

1334
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.760
memories were captured in photos.

1335
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:21.319
I could see that hair photos.

1336
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:22.319
You could tape it right on.

1337
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:26.960
You could make a frame with hair.

1338
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:36.479
Oh, that's delightful, Evans said. Additionally, quote this artwork was

1339
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:39.880
not celebrated because it was mostly done by women, and

1340
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:42.600
so in larger museums they don't have a lot of this.

1341
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:46.720
Her grandmother saved some from being trashed, wrote a book

1342
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.800
and taught classes on the art form, training a new

1343
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:54.880
generation of artists. Oh. Often the hair art was housed

1344
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.399
in elaborate frames with original glass. So when her grandmother

1345
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.319
started haggling with antiques dealers for the frames, they frequently

1346
01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:05.520
offered to get rid of the hair. I could see that, yeah,

1347
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:10.239
and she'd say, no, no, keep it in there, Evan said.

1348
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:13.399
Then her grandmother would often hand them her business card

1349
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.319
and tell them to be on the lookout. Soon dealers

1350
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:20.000
across the country were calling, quote if it had hair,

1351
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:22.840
she got it, said Evans. I love the story, actually,

1352
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:26.600
I really do. Who sometimes accompanied her grandmother as she

1353
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:30.199
hunted for new additions. The collection grew to include a

1354
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:33.000
wreath containing hair from every woman in the League of

1355
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:37.439
Women Voters from Vermont. In eighteen sixty five, Wow, a

1356
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:40.800
pair of crescent shaped wreaths contained the tresses of two

1357
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.079
sisters whose heads were shaved when they entered a convent.

1358
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:49.479
These are really interesting. Yeah, A couple of pieces even

1359
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:55.840
feature taxidermy. Oh, I mean sure, I guess that checks out.

1360
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:02.119
But we'll find out more about that when we get back.

1361
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:11.520
What do you do with your hair, Michelle? When you

1362
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:12.279
when you cut.

1363
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:17.119
It, I throw it away.

1364
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:19.039
You could do so much with it because you got

1365
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:19.600
the dreads.

1366
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:22.920
Actually, at one point when I cut my hair, because

1367
01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:26.720
I don't really cut it very often anymore, but at

1368
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.279
one point I cut my hair and a bunch of

1369
01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:32.159
people wanted some of it, so I gave it to them.

1370
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:33.760
Who are these people?

1371
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:40.319
I don't know. I don't remember what anybody who said

1372
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:42.079
they wanted it. I just gave it to them.

1373
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.399
They just walked up. You had cast some of your hair. No, no, it.

1374
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:49.399
Was like through like Facebook and stuff, the Facebook marketplace.

1375
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:53.920
You just want some of my hair? And that was

1376
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.399
all I said, Just do.

1377
01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:57.920
You want some of my hair? And then it just

1378
01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:04.560
says no, weirdos. Yeah, the frames filled. You know, I

1379
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.000
can't believe. I just remembered this as we were talking.

1380
01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:10.920
When I did my second album, I gave people vials

1381
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.199
of my hair if you bought the collector's pack.

1382
01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:15.199
Yeah, I think I kind of remember that.

1383
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:16.359
Yeah.

1384
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:19.520
Yeah, so we both have hair out there doing stuff.

1385
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:20.600
Damn right.

1386
01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:23.960
I hope they just threw mine away because they got

1387
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:24.920
grossed out by it.

1388
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:28.439
I told people they had like a all they needed

1389
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:30.000
was a piece of string and they had an instant

1390
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:31.920
stalker kit. They could wear it around their neck like

1391
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:37.640
a yeah yee. The frames filled the walls of her

1392
01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.199
home and the beauty school she ran with her husband.

1393
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.760
She shoved them under beds and in closets. Eventually, the

1394
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:47.640
couple snatched up this building, a former car dealership nestled

1395
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:51.159
between a fast food restaurant and a car wash. Celebrities

1396
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:54.520
caught wind of the attraction. Oh I love this. Actress

1397
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:57.199
and comedian Phyllis Diller donated a hair wreath that she

1398
01:20:57.239 --> 01:20:59.640
had had, that she had been or that had been

1399
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:04.680
in her family for generations. Wow, that's so cool TV personality.

1400
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:10.000
Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs filled an episode of Somebody's

1401
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:13.479
Got to Do It at that store. There might also

1402
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.079
be a few strands from Osborne inside. When he came

1403
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:19.119
to visit, Kohoun snipped a lock, although Evans has yet

1404
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:22.319
to find it. I hope he she didn't. I hope

1405
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:25.920
he didn't even know. She just does that if you

1406
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.800
catch her, like, oh she she does that like it's

1407
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.119
there's a sign when you walk in it says that

1408
01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:36.039
that can happen, and you're okay with it, said, yeah,

1409
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.520
you signed the release, damn it. I love When I

1410
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:40.000
went to the I'll talk about this more at the

1411
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:42.119
when we're wrapping up the show. But I went to

1412
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.399
the Big Haunt over the weekend and they have this

1413
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.079
big sign before you know the Haunts that says like

1414
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.640
by entering here, you uh, you know, give up this

1415
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:52.520
and these rights to this and this and this. I'm like, yeah,

1416
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:54.560
that would never hold up in court for years. A

1417
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.000
thing on the back wall when you're walking in no chance,

1418
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:03.279
No chance, Evan said. Her grandmother was tight lipped on

1419
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:06.319
what she spent over the years, but she anticipates the

1420
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:09.520
worth of the art may top one million dollars.

1421
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:10.399
Wow.

1422
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.520
As Genevieve Kiny, the head of the National Museum of

1423
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.560
Funeral History in Houston, waded through the collection, I hope

1424
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.359
that's figurative and not like just like up to their knees.

1425
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:23.159
Yeah, they're just hair everywhere.

1426
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:28.359
She eagerly eyed the jewelry that memorialized the dead, including

1427
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:30.880
a small pin containing the locks of a seven year

1428
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.279
old girl who died in eighteen eleven.

1429
01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:34.199
Wow.

1430
01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.920
Quote. I've always felt it was important to educate people

1431
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:42.479
about death, said KINI also a licensed mortician. Quote. Our

1432
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.960
society does such an injustice on getting people to understand

1433
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.720
what the true emotions are going to feel like when

1434
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:52.600
death happens. That's why you get the kid of goldfish.

1435
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:57.079
Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can prepare somebody

1436
01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.680
for that. I don't think that there's a way, so

1437
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:02.640
I wouldn't worry too much about it.

1438
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.680
I do think in a very broad way. Pets are

1439
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:11.000
in a lot of ways, like training wheels for understanding

1440
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:14.279
life and death. You know, you lose a cat when

1441
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:18.319
you're twelve years old, and then you know a grandparent

1442
01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:21.680
when you're twenty. It just kind of you know, it's

1443
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:27.279
not the same, but it's similar. Yeah, Evans herself is

1444
01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:30.359
struggling with a mix of emotions as she slowly rehomes

1445
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:33.760
her grandmother's legacy. Quote. I want people to see all

1446
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.600
of this because that's what she wanted. But when this

1447
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.000
is empty, it'll break my heart a little bit. That's

1448
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:43.840
a wonderful note to end that story on Good job

1449
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.680
Huffington Post. That was like the perfect balance of heartfelt

1450
01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:47.319
and creepy.

1451
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:49.880
Yeah.

1452
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:53.439
I really like that. So let's ruin the good vibes

1453
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:56.319
by heading back to Mirror dot Code at UK yay.

1454
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.640
The headline is I'm a funeral director and these are

1455
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.760
the chilling experiences I've had to work. I've had at work.

1456
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:06.920
What what?

1457
01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:11.159
I just don't believe it's scary to be a funeral director.

1458
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:12.920
Well, the funny thing is I had to check. I

1459
01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.439
thought we'd read this before, but I was another like

1460
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.920
morge worker that we read about. If there's any ex

1461
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:23.880
profession you'd expect might have come across a ghostly encounter,

1462
01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:27.119
be a funeral director, right. That hasn't been strictly the case,

1463
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:30.439
according to one man in the profession, however, Social media's

1464
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:35.920
Yorkshire funeral director, Jacob Walsh, who's based in Ghoulie, East

1465
01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:38.680
Riding of Yorkshire, took to TikTok to open up on

1466
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:46.600
his experiences with the paranormal in his workplace. Huh yeah,

1467
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:53.520
news is TikTok. Yeah, ghosts Have I seen them? Have

1468
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:56.760
I experienced them? He asked rhetorically in a video. I

1469
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.000
felt a presence usually in the mortuary, which is completely

1470
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.439
understandable as it's where people in my care are resting.

1471
01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:09.520
I don't want my mortician to have that level of

1472
01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:14.159
like boobity boop, like just just like just rip up

1473
01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:15.119
the body and move on.

1474
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:19.359
Okay, fine, fine, fine, I'll get you there. I'll get

1475
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:20.640
you the right one then.

1476
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:21.000
Thank you.

1477
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:22.279
Yeah.

1478
01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.880
Jacob admitted that initially he put his chilling experiences down

1479
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.279
to the fact he works late into the day, by

1480
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.439
which point he's tired. More and more things happen, though,

1481
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:32.960
prompting him to have a rethink.

1482
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:36.600
I almost feel like we read this before. It sounds

1483
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:38.960
really late into the day.

1484
01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:43.039
Yeah yeah, yeah, but this one's shorter too, all right, whatever,

1485
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.359
uh where is it? So? And now I was scanning

1486
01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:49.840
it because I was like, did we read this before?

1487
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:53.279
Maybe we did. I try not to do that. It's hard.

1488
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:53.920
It's hard.

1489
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:58.279
It's the fortieth episode. Yeah, yeah, that Even when he's

1490
01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.720
doing personal care, such as sha deceased gentleman, he tells

1491
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:04.840
them what he's doing out of respect. So if they're

1492
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.199
watching over us, that's fine. We just don't know what's

1493
01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:08.920
in the afterlife and I'm not here to tell you

1494
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:13.199
what I think there is. Or isn't it much shorter?

1495
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.560
So maybe maybe it was like a I don't know,

1496
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.119
but I tried. I checked it and it wasn't the

1497
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:21.399
same page. Hum, I'm a bad I'm a bad host.

1498
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:24.600
That's what it came down to. Yeah, it was really short. Wow,

1499
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.359
I skipped like two or three things, but like that

1500
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.119
were really brief. But like, yeah, it was a lot

1501
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:35.439
of pictures though, of a guy filming himself on TikTok ah.

1502
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:39.720
I love the news. Well, we're gonna come back and

1503
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:41.479
do We'll do just a few more news stories. I

1504
01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:43.840
fear we go a little longer than normal, just because

1505
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.560
it's the Halloween season. Yeah, but uh oh no, Shell's

1506
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:48.199
like please, no.

1507
01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:49.319
It's okay.

1508
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.520
Oh god, it's even worse than I imagined by the way

1509
01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:56.199
you said that. Oh no, but when we get back,

1510
01:26:57.079 --> 01:27:00.279
you'll be happy to hear more human remains are being out.

1511
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.399
I know about human remains being found recently, but it's sad.

1512
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:09.399
Yay, it's usually sad. I just thought I thought you'd

1513
01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:10.399
be excited.

1514
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.399
But I am excited.

1515
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:23.079
Well, we'll get to that right after this. We're back

1516
01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:29.920
and we have a news story from Smithsonian magazine. Oh,

1517
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:38.640
because we're fancy. I guess we're fancy. No, sorry. Pal

1518
01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:43.760
Archaeologists in Albania unearthed tomb belonging to an upper class

1519
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:48.600
Roman who died one thousand and seven hundred years ago.

1520
01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:50.520
Wow, that's a while ago.

1521
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:56.479
I guess that's that's a while back. Yeah, when photos

1522
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:57.479
were in black and white.

1523
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:04.119
Yeah, silent TV.

1524
01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:11.159
Yeah, silent tell that's funny, silent TV. I like that.

1525
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.079
Archaeologists have an earth a rare Roman mausoleum in the

1526
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:18.479
northeastern part of Albania. They think it may have belonged

1527
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:22.520
to an upper class individual named Galiano, who lived in

1528
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:26.800
the ancient Roman province of iler Curium up to one

1529
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:31.079
hundred or one thousand, seven hundred years ago. Romans Roman

1530
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:34.000
is weird, her names are weird.

1531
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:36.119
I don't think about Rome very much.

1532
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.279
That's because you're a girl. Men think about Rome all

1533
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.039
the time. I know the thing, well, the Roman Empire,

1534
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.119
they don't think about like Rome as it is today. Yeah,

1535
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:47.600
that's for middle aged women to like imagine like if

1536
01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.800
I go there, I'll meet a guy, a swarthy guy.

1537
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.479
I've heard that. I've heard that joke before that said,

1538
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:58.000
remember middle aged women go to Italy for the same

1539
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:03.119
reason middle aged men go to Thailand. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1540
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:08.920
so judge. Accordingly, the site is the first Roman era

1541
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:13.479
monumental tomb to be discovered in the country. No, that's

1542
01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:21.600
really interesting. According to a statement from Blendie Blendi, Gonsha Gounzja,

1543
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:26.039
it's Gonsh, It's go n x Hja. Oh, I don't

1544
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:29.119
know gonz Ha. Is that Chinese? I think that's Chinese, right,

1545
01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:35.720
Albania's Minister of Economy, Culture and Innovation. Researchers from Albania's

1546
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:39.880
Institute of Archaeology began excavating it last month after inhabitants

1547
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:45.720
of the nearby village of streikan Strichsan noticed an unusual

1548
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:50.199
stone formation on a plateau dating to the third or

1549
01:29:50.239 --> 01:29:54.560
fourth century CE. The two measures nearly thirty feet long

1550
01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:56.880
and twenty feet wide.

1551
01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.560
Wow. I think that's bit, but I'm not sure because

1552
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:01.119
I don't do it measurements really well.

1553
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:03.119
I think that's about like the size of your living

1554
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:04.840
room and dining room combined.

1555
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:08.960
Wow, that's relatively large, but not really.

1556
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:12.840
I mean by tomb standards, YE think that's pretty big. Okay,

1557
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.359
like a ten by ten, Like by shed standards, that's

1558
01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:20.000
a decent size. Twenty foot by thirty foot would be

1559
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.760
a gigantic. Should that be a garage?

1560
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:24.119
Yeah, that'd be nice.

1561
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:27.600
I'm sorry you don't have a garage.

1562
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:28.239
Me too.

1563
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:30.800
We made it sad.

1564
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:32.520
Yeah.

1565
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.319
It's made up of three components, a staircase, entrance, hall,

1566
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:41.039
and a funerary chamber. The chamber held the remains of

1567
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:44.960
two people, and its limestone wall features an inscription written

1568
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:48.880
in Greek quote. The inscription tells us that the person

1569
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:52.039
buried here was named Gelliano, a name typical of the

1570
01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:58.439
Roman period lead archaeologist Ericson Nicoli. Nikoli tells Reuters fatos

1571
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:03.239
By Tucci and Floria on Goga quote, we are uncertain

1572
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.560
about the identity of the second individual, but it is

1573
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.880
likely a family member or a worker who fell inside

1574
01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:14.920
when they were closing it. No, uh, do you do

1575
01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:18.199
you find like when you were a kid, were you

1576
01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:20.159
fascinated by like Egypt or anything like that.

1577
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.199
I don't know, not like particularly, but sure you're.

1578
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.000
Like no, no, My people were like really adamant to

1579
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:29.640
get out of there.

1580
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:31.600
Yeah. I don't really deal with that.

1581
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:36.239
They're like audios And I think about Egypt every passover

1582
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:41.840
at the end now and I said, no, uh ha

1583
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:48.279
ha ha, yeah, that's good. Vaguely related. The edges of

1584
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:53.000
the tomb's walls and roof are decorated with intricate carvings. Meanwhile,

1585
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:56.880
a second inscription honors Jupiter, the Roman god of the sky.

1586
01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.399
According to the statement, this is the first dediction of

1587
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:03.600
its kind to be discovered in the region. Other inscriptions

1588
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.439
were found on loose stones around the site, though experts

1589
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:11.640
say these may have come from another nearby monument. Oh,

1590
01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:14.720
when I was a kid, I thought the concept of

1591
01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:22.920
like the big, the big sarcophaguses and the giant tombs

1592
01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:25.560
in Egypt. I thought that was just like super fascinating.

1593
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:27.439
It is pretty interesting.

1594
01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:33.680
This is wild because this is like not so monumental,

1595
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.720
like it's not so gargantuan that it's like, oh, so

1596
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:38.479
some people just like had money and were like, I

1597
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:39.640
don't know what to do with it. I guess when

1598
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:41.279
I die built a really huge thing.

1599
01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:44.119
Yeah, I mean, but we still are. We we do

1600
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:47.359
that with like mausoleums and stuff today sort of.

1601
01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.039
Yeah, but like one person or two people doesn't get

1602
01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:51.239
twenty by thirty feet.

1603
01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.439
I don't know. Some of them look pretty big.

1604
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.119
They're not small, but I'm just saying that's a little

1605
01:32:57.119 --> 01:32:57.760
on the big side.

1606
01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:02.319
And then you can go down so when you combine

1607
01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:05.039
all the floors, I don't.

1608
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.960
Know, but most mausoleums contained like multiple famili like a

1609
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.159
ton of family. Hmmm. So but no, I give what

1610
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:15.159
you're saying. Northern Albania was once part of the ancient

1611
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.800
region of Illyria, which can include parts of present day Croatia,

1612
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:25.800
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Herzegovina and Montenegro. I was waiting for

1613
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:28.199
you to be like it's not Bosnia. Like you're like

1614
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.199
on the other side of the conference, it's not Bosnia.

1615
01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:35.600
The Illyrians were an Indo European people who lived in

1616
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:39.680
organized tribes and some of which united under various kingdoms.

1617
01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.239
Rome warred with the Ilkerian kingdoms throughout the third and

1618
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:48.239
second centuries BCE, eventually conquering the entire Bulkan Peninsula. While

1619
01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:51.560
the region was heavily influenced by Roman culture, the Illyrians

1620
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:55.800
fought to conserve their language and traditions. During the recent

1621
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:59.359
excavation of Giuliano's tomb, archaeologists found that the site had

1622
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:02.279
been looted at least twice.

1623
01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.439
I hate that when it's like, well, everyone else knew

1624
01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:07.000
it was here except for you guys.

1625
01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:09.479
Yeah, we all knew about it. We just didn't tell you.

1626
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:12.600
We just thought you knew. Like it's right there. We've

1627
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:13.920
been in fluting it for years.

1628
01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:16.119
Yeah, like for real, Like I go there on my

1629
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:18.039
way to get groceries. I'm like, I need some lira.

1630
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:18.800
I'm just gonna go.

1631
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:19.479
Yeah.

1632
01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:25.239
Yeah. Robbers entered the tomb once in antiquity and again

1633
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:29.239
in modern times when they used heavy machinery to geez.

1634
01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:33.199
This is like organized heavy machinery to move a large

1635
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.800
rock to access the site. Despite these incidents, the team

1636
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:41.640
unearthed a trove of artifacts, including glass plates, knives, objects

1637
01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.800
made from bone, and the bodies of those who dared

1638
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:49.119
to steal. No, maybe that's who the extra body was,

1639
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:52.319
as somebody who is buddies. As a goof, we locked

1640
01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:55.039
him in the tomb like as a goog. Yeah, we

1641
01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:58.600
sealed the tomb behind him. It was pretty funny. Yeah

1642
01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:01.000
that was twenty five years ago. I thought it was

1643
01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:07.079
funny as a goof quote. We also uncovered a piece

1644
01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:10.560
of fabric embroidered with gold thread, which confirms our belief

1645
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:13.319
that we are dealing with members of the upper class

1646
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.000
nicolay ads. I mean that and the fact that there's

1647
01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:18.840
a giant tomb made of stuff which would cost money

1648
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:19.199
to build.

1649
01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:21.840
What about if it was just made by that person

1650
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:23.800
and they were like, oh, I'm gonna die in like

1651
01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.159
in like twenty years, let me just make a really

1652
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:27.359
big tomb right now.

1653
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.359
Nobody would do that unless they had a YouTube channel

1654
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.880
to show them doing it, Like those fake video makers

1655
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:37.520
that make those ridiculous houses and stuff out of mud.

1656
01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:39.680
I want to make mud houses.

1657
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:43.199
You don't watch those YouTube videos. No, most of them

1658
01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:45.720
are fake, unfortunately, but yeah, they're like just carving out

1659
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:51.560
of the earth things. It's pretty relaxing. The discovery has

1660
01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:55.560
always has already drawn crowds of curious locals, angry that

1661
01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:59.680
they won't be able to raid the tomb anymore. From money. Yeah,

1662
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:04.399
Albania's tourism economy has rapidly expanded in recent years, and

1663
01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:07.199
officials eventually plan to open the site of the tomb

1664
01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:15.560
to visitors the almighty dollar babe. Yeah, we're gonna take

1665
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:18.399
a break, and I've got one more piece that's just

1666
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:22.960
for Shell because it's all about haunted real estate. Okay,

1667
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:32.399
right after this Shell. I know how much you love

1668
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:37.359
real estate just in general, like the general concept of

1669
01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:39.399
it as a home inspector and stuff. You always liked

1670
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:45.159
houses and things. Yeah, why'd you say that? Like down dowardly,

1671
01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:46.920
that's a positive thing, a thing you like.

1672
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:49.600
I know that's why it's bad.

1673
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:56.079
Well this mirror dot co dot uk Arnicle. Yeah we're back, baby.

1674
01:36:57.079 --> 01:37:00.760
The headline is cliff Side Castle overlooking Sea for sale

1675
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:03.800
with ghosts that can be heard at night.

1676
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:08.520
I mean that's that's a sell. That's a feature, I guess.

1677
01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:10.840
I mean putting that in the listing is a little

1678
01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:12.600
is an interesting choice. I think.

1679
01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:15.000
I think you just have to be upfront because you

1680
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:17.760
don't want people being like trying to sue you when

1681
01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:19.600
they hear the ghosts at night all time.

1682
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:22.399
Well, let me let me show it to you real quick.

1683
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.319
WHOA looks like it's in a bit of rough shape.

1684
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:29.840
That's what I want. Do you think it has a

1685
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:31.119
roof on any part of it?

1686
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:36.640
I who can say? Probably not.

1687
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:43.279
It doesn't have any like like glass in the windows. Whoo.

1688
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.960
No, it's right on the water.

1689
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:46.920
Yeah, i'd buy that.

1690
01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:49.600
Oh this is not a house.

1691
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:52.159
This is so good I want I'm gonna live here.

1692
01:37:52.399 --> 01:37:54.680
It's got Are you excited because you see that it

1693
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:57.600
has like no flooring. It's literally like dirt.

1694
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:00.159
Yeah, so you don't have to worry about it.

1695
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:07.720
The foundation is the planet itself. Yeah, it is literally

1696
01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:08.239
a castle.

1697
01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:10.960
I mean it's just a ruins.

1698
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:14.600
Well, I mean yeah, but I mean, like, if you're

1699
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:16.960
gonna be I still have all the muskrats on the screen, yeah,

1700
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:21.439
I mean, if you're gonna be persnickety about it. But

1701
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:23.000
but hold on, you may still want to buy it.

1702
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:27.760
A castle perched on a cliff has hit the property market,

1703
01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:31.000
and many people believe it's haunted.

1704
01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:32.199
Right.

1705
01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:36.880
Offers of one hundred thousand pounds are being considered for

1706
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:43.760
the spectacular site. That's pretty cheap for like, yeah, I

1707
01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:46.520
mean considering it's it's a yeah, it's a ruin and

1708
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:48.319
there's not even like a road next to it.

1709
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.840
I mean, I guess you just drive up the grass places.

1710
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:55.680
Yeah, you just have to get like a you know,

1711
01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:57.399
good four wheel drive. You'll be fine.

1712
01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:58.479
Yeah.

1713
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.000
Yeah, little little coat of pain, little plumbing and electricity

1714
01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:04.960
that probably is nowhere near there either, and you're set.

1715
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:10.880
You're gonna go. Duns Ki Castle, a scheduled monument dating

1716
01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:14.119
from the mid sixteenth century, stands on the site of

1717
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:17.600
what is thought to be earlier the earlier a Dare Castle,

1718
01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:23.560
which was destroyed in fifteen hundred. The Ruins, Hey, look

1719
01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:26.319
at you, the ruins. This is Chell's episode. She's been

1720
01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:31.439
right every time about everything. Oh really must be nice.

1721
01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:34.600
The ruins sit on eight acres of land and can

1722
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:38.479
be reached via coastal footpath behind the property. As reported

1723
01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:42.760
by Luxury Property News, the castle is a popular stop

1724
01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:48.600
for tourists who can explore the ruins across the former moat. Okay,

1725
01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:50.960
I don't want people crossing my moat. If I buy

1726
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:52.199
that place, well, I think.

1727
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:55.000
You have to put up a big, big fence that has.

1728
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:57.960
It's a castle. It's meant to keep people out. I

1729
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:01.159
build it. Once you re build it, I mean no,

1730
01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:06.720
right now, right this second, on a clear day. Also

1731
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:11.079
one hundred quid though for like eight acres right by

1732
01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:13.239
the water. That's surprisingly cheap.

1733
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:14.159
It's not bad.

1734
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:18.000
It's probably a horrible place to live in every aspect.

1735
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:23.880
Hmmm whatever, on a clear day, if you stretch all

1736
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:27.000
the way across the sea towards Northern Ireland, over twenty

1737
01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:30.079
miles away, that's why it's so cheap. They're like, nobody

1738
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:36.000
wants to see Northern Islands hateful. It has been Wow,

1739
01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:38.840
it has been derelict since. Do you want to guess

1740
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.680
how long it's been derelict. I want to put this

1741
01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:42.239
to you, sheel.

1742
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:45.520
Yeah, it's been derelict since eighteen oh two.

1743
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:53.119
Finally you're wrong, seventeen hundred. Oh wow, it's a very

1744
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:53.760
long time.

1745
01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:55.800
I mean, that's why it looks like that. I guess.

1746
01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:58.840
Ouch. Now you sound like that lady talking about ghosts

1747
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:03.000
behind their backs. Yet enough of the castle remains to

1748
01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:07.199
show the strength of its original fortifications. The walls are

1749
01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:08.439
five feet thick.

1750
01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:11.560
Wow, that's why they're still standing.

1751
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:17.359
Yeah. The tower rises thirty meters and there are remnants

1752
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:21.079
of a vaulted cellar and a watch tower, all perched

1753
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.920
on the cliff edge.

1754
01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:27.079
It'd be cooler if you could go up those things,

1755
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:28.079
but I don't think you can.

1756
01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:30.159
Yeah, this place needs a lot of work if it's

1757
01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:31.560
going to be like a place you're going to like

1758
01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:35.359
do stuff in. Yeah, not even live, just like do

1759
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:38.800
anything other than be outside, but in it slightly m h.

1760
01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.439
Yeah.

1761
01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:45.359
The castle lies on the coastal path from Portpatrick to Moreauch,

1762
01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.560
in a secluded spot that adds to its sense of

1763
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:54.439
mystery and historic glure. Ooh. The listing is being handled

1764
01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:57.560
by Ian Eli Corbett of Strutton Partner, with offers being

1765
01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:04.359
considered over one hundred thousand pounds according to Visit Scotland quote.

1766
01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.479
The magnificent ruins of Dunski Castle are picturesquely perched on

1767
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:13.199
a rocky outcrop jetting out into the Irish Sea. The

1768
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:16.359
massive towerhouse was built in the mid sixteenth century for

1769
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:19.399
the Adirs of Kinhilt, the same family that owned the

1770
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:23.359
Castle of Saint John in Stranraer, and the long wing

1771
01:42:23.439 --> 01:42:26.680
in the north was added in the sixteen twenties. By

1772
01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:29.720
the seventeen hundreds or by seventeen hundred, the whole building

1773
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:35.399
was derelict. Man, there's an ad over what I need

1774
01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:40.560
to read? Damn, I hate? Why why I have to

1775
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:48.479
reload it? A professional? Dammit the ruins blah blah blah.

1776
01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:53.399
Eight acres of land on a clear day coastal path.

1777
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.840
Here we go the defensive ditch on the lands where

1778
01:42:57.479 --> 01:42:59.960
lands ward side is all that survives of an early

1779
01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:03.159
or a Dare castle, first recorded in the fourteenth century.

1780
01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:08.640
This castle was destroyed around fifteen hundred by the mccullicks

1781
01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:13.439
of Merton and the cardinesses. Those cardinals, I never trusted them.

1782
01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.520
Yeah, destroying castles.

1783
01:43:17.159 --> 01:43:21.720
Many reports online suggest some believe the castle is haunted.

1784
01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:27.520
One legend says a minstrel was imprisoned in dungeons at

1785
01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:32.960
the castle and found a secret tunnel. Yeah, legend has

1786
01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:36.479
it as they say that on stormy nights the sound

1787
01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:40.159
of his pipes can be heard above the waves.

1788
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:44.159
But it sounded like he escaped because he found a

1789
01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:45.319
secret tunnel.

1790
01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:47.520
Or he died in the tunnel.

1791
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:50.039
They didn't say that, though.

1792
01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:52.640
Well they implied it by him being a ghost.

1793
01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:56.520
I mean it's been a long time, so he could

1794
01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:57.640
just be a ghost anyway.

1795
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.399
Yeah, that's true. He just died and I was like,

1796
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:00.920
I'm a.

1797
01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:04.279
Hot there tunnel.

1798
01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:10.800
That tunnel was dope. According to the website's storied collection,

1799
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:15.039
after being left to starve, the minstrel oh a minstrel

1800
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.840
quote reached a cave on the shore of the open

1801
01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:21.960
sea below the castle. He could hear the roaring waves.

1802
01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:26.239
He could see the moon glistening above, promising a life

1803
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:31.520
beyond Dunski, but he could not scale the slick, steep walls.

1804
01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:36.920
He died a slow death, looking at the freedom he

1805
01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:40.720
could not reach forevermore. It is said that you can

1806
01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:45.119
hear his pipes playing above the waves on stormy nights

1807
01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:50.720
as his ghost paces up and down the passageway where

1808
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:51.359
he died.

1809
01:44:52.600 --> 01:44:54.039
Ah huh.

1810
01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:58.159
Another legend states a Brownie haunts the site. This is

1811
01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:01.680
sometimes described by believers in the paranormal as a hairy

1812
01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:07.840
manlike apparition. I've never heard of that before, Yeah, brownie

1813
01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:11.800
and uh oh, some reports. Oh you think mirror dot

1814
01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:14.119
co dot uk is a good source. Some reports on

1815
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:20.359
Tumblr speak speak of inexplicable sounds that can be heard

1816
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:21.439
at the scene.

1817
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.119
I mean, I don't know.

1818
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:30.840
What. No, no, rough harsh words for the minstrel ghost.

1819
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:35.239
No, I mean honestly, like, you have these these open

1820
01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:37.840
window holes and shit, and you're right by the ocean,

1821
01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:40.600
so it's probably windy, probably hearing a lot of like

1822
01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:45.319
weird noises sound through the little openings.

1823
01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.359
With how wide open the area is, you could be

1824
01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:51.239
hearing a ghost from another castle right off in the distance.

1825
01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:53.760
Yeah right, I don't know.

1826
01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:56.520
People just don't want to have critical thinking skills anymore,

1827
01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:56.720
you know.

1828
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:58.199
Yeah.

1829
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:00.000
Well, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be

1830
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.159
get back. We're going to dive into why the Halloween

1831
01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:15.199
candy scare still haunts America after this cell, I am

1832
01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:19.000
positive that we've had this conversation a part of this

1833
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:24.199
conversation before. But what's your favorite Halloween candy? Oh?

1834
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:31.199
I don't know, like dots, dots? Yeah?

1835
01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:35.119
Oh, the squishy dots, Yes, I love those.

1836
01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:36.319
Yeah, me too.

1837
01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:39.680
For a second, I thought you meant the paper with them,

1838
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:42.119
and I was like the ones where you eat paper.

1839
01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:45.079
Well, you don't eat the paper, you just eat the

1840
01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:45.439
thing on.

1841
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:49.920
You just end up eating some paper, is all. Did

1842
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:52.399
you like wax lips when you were a kid, I

1843
01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:55.680
don't think so weird. Yeah it was like wax you

1844
01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:58.840
chew on and spit out. Yeah, And I never understand

1845
01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:00.239
it's not chewing them, it's just it's.

1846
01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:02.439
Like weird, weird.

1847
01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:08.840
And you were cool with candy corn. Yeah, yeah, okay, good,

1848
01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:11.560
I love Mike. I've been having a lot of candy corn.

1849
01:47:11.560 --> 01:47:15.199
I bought one really high quality like bag of candy corn,

1850
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:17.720
and I've been resealing it every night after i eat

1851
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:20.760
just a little bit of it, trying to like maximize

1852
01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:27.079
the experience. Yeah, because I'm a dork. So when you

1853
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:29.119
were a kid, do you remember what Halloween candy you

1854
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:30.439
were most excited to get in your bag?

1855
01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:31.840
Dots?

1856
01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:34.720
Oh it was dots then too. Okay, yeah they had

1857
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:38.920
Halloween dots last year. They were they were ghost dots

1858
01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:43.079
and they were like gray and a little sea through wow,

1859
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:48.840
and they tasted like dots. So when I was a kid,

1860
01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.560
it was it was all about those little three packs

1861
01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:52.720
of sweet tarts.

1862
01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:54.159
Oh, I don't like those.

1863
01:47:55.680 --> 01:48:01.840
You don't like anything sour. Yeah, I'll never understand you.

1864
01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:07.960
Although last night I opened up a bag of Jellybelly

1865
01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:12.640
jelly beans that were wild cherry flavored, and I ate

1866
01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:14.520
a couple of them, and I lit a cigar and

1867
01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.960
started smoking, and the cigar tasted awful, And it was

1868
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:20.720
a cigar I smoked all the time, and there are

1869
01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:23.079
only a few cigars that I have like the same

1870
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:25.600
one again and again. So I was like, Man, is

1871
01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:28.000
this cigar like have something wrong with it? Or is

1872
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.680
my mouthfall messed up? Because I've been having weird taste issues.

1873
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:36.560
And then I just stopped eating those and after like

1874
01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:38.560
ten minutes it went away. I think they just had

1875
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:43.640
something about them that just did not play nice. Yeah,

1876
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.680
it's weird because usually candy and cigars go together very nicely.

1877
01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:51.680
So with that all being said, we're taking a look

1878
01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:56.039
at FastCompany dot COM's coverage this Actually, this article is

1879
01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.239
super new. I mean it didn't come out this year,

1880
01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:01.319
but it came out after we'd recorded last year's show. Okay,

1881
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:05.399
so it was Halloween of last year. And the headline

1882
01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:08.680
is why the American the Halloween candy scare still haunts America.

1883
01:49:09.680 --> 01:49:12.199
And I've just always been fascinated by this because I

1884
01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:14.520
remember growing up and being told to check your candy.

1885
01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:17.279
Not to eat anything until your parents look at it.

1886
01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:20.479
Not to accept anything that's not sealed, not take apples,

1887
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:26.640
not take homemade treats, things like that. Yeah. So, and

1888
01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:31.640
of course, have you ever seen oh gosh, what is

1889
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:35.199
it called Night of the Demons? No? Oh, it has

1890
01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:40.000
a great razorblade apple gag in it. I have to

1891
01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:41.560
I have to show you that to you sometimes be

1892
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:45.239
a good friend to you. So, yeah, this is an article.

1893
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:49.199
I was very curious about the unquiet spirits, vampires, and

1894
01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:53.840
the omnipresent zombies that take over American streets every October thirty.

1895
01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:57.960
First may think Halloween is all about spooky fun. But

1896
01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:02.279
what Halloween masqueraders may not realize is that in the

1897
01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:06.319
early nineteen seventies and well into the next decade, real

1898
01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:16.600
fear took over. Yeah, the media, police departments, and politicians

1899
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:20.159
began to tell a new kind of Halloween horror story

1900
01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:25.560
that's super high seo the full phrase Halloween horror story.

1901
01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:28.279
I have been working on that a lot this year.

1902
01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:32.239
About poison candy.

1903
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:34.920
Yeah.

1904
01:50:35.039 --> 01:50:37.680
Yeah, oh, but this is where it gets really weird.

1905
01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:42.039
No actual events explained this fear. It was driven by

1906
01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:46.279
social and cultural anxieties. And there's a lesson in that

1907
01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:51.319
about the power of rumors. On this day of dark fantasy.

1908
01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:56.640
I can't even help but go into like the throaty

1909
01:50:56.720 --> 01:51:00.800
voice on some words of dark fantasy. I try not

1910
01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:06.520
to do it in person, too weird. The Halloween candy

1911
01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:09.920
scare began in nineteen seventy. An op ed on October

1912
01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:13.119
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy in The New York Times suggested

1913
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:18.159
the possibility of strangers using Halloween's trick or treat tradition

1914
01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:19.840
to poison children.

1915
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:22.800
It's a good idea to put that stuff out there,

1916
01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:26.359
be like, Hey, have you ever considered poisoning people by

1917
01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:27.960
putting stuff in Halloween candy?

1918
01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:32.119
It sure would be easy, Yeah, and you'd never get caught.

1919
01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:36.399
But oh so this is a totally like so New

1920
01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:40.039
York fabricated this originally your ancestral homeland.

1921
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:40.760
Oh good.

1922
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:46.159
The editorial mentioned two unconfirmed incidents in upstate New York

1923
01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:53.800
and offered a series of frighteningly rhetorical questions. The author,

1924
01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:59.760
Judy Klemsrudd that's a name, clems Rud, Yeah, wondered, for example,

1925
01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:04.159
if that quote plump red Apple from The Kindly Old

1926
01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:08.039
lady down the block may have a razor blade hidden

1927
01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:08.840
inside it.

1928
01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:12.520
I was thinking about this. You know, if there was

1929
01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:14.720
something in an apple, It's not like you can put

1930
01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:17.039
something in an apple and there's no evidence of it.

1931
01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:17.880
I don't understand.

1932
01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:20.920
It'd be like a little at the bottom. You might

1933
01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:22.359
be able to hide it a little bit.

1934
01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:25.560
Maybe, but then would it just get stuck in the

1935
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:27.279
middle and knowing did eat it anyway?

1936
01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.000
I mean, I'm not saying if people are doing this

1937
01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:36.079
that they are particularly smart. Oh okay, Well, when I

1938
01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:39.840
was growing up, it was always like a friend of

1939
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.479
a friend's cousin got a razor blade and apple.

1940
01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:43.319
Mm hmm.

1941
01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:45.920
That's or when I was a kid, it wasn't razor

1942
01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:48.760
blade so much. It was needles, oh okay, and that

1943
01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:51.079
you could hide up. Yeah, this is advice for you

1944
01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.680
guys out there now, But that you could hide an

1945
01:52:53.720 --> 01:52:56.439
apple like sewing needles. You can stick those in there,

1946
01:52:57.399 --> 01:53:01.560
I guess. And they'd claimed that either there were needles

1947
01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:05.159
in there or it was injected with something using a needle. Sure,

1948
01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:09.279
stuff like that. I think that the real question the

1949
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:13.000
next editorial should have been to Judy klemsrud Are things

1950
01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:16.640
okay at home. Why are you sitting around just imagining this,

1951
01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:21.319
like saying, wonder if that could happen. It's like, that's weird, lady, Yeah,

1952
01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:27.560
what's going on? Some readers accepted her questions as definitive fact.

1953
01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:31.119
Two days later, a five year old child died on

1954
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:38.960
Halloween in Detroit after consuming heroin. Early media so I

1955
01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.000
thought too, I was like. Early media reports of his

1956
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:45.479
death cited his uncle's claim that he had been exposed

1957
01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:48.600
to the drug in tainted Halloween treats.

1958
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.840
Yeah, I mean that sounds like really convenient.

1959
01:53:51.239 --> 01:53:56.000
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. By mid November nineteen seventy,

1960
01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:59.199
newspaper reported showed that the child had in fact found

1961
01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:02.640
the heroine at his uncle's home, of course, not in

1962
01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:07.640
this bag of Halloween candy, as investigators had first been told.

1963
01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:13.319
I mean, and I've heard this repeatedly, but like people

1964
01:54:13.319 --> 01:54:15.560
are just not going to give away their heroin and

1965
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:16.520
like put it in.

1966
01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:20.000
Like, no, it's it's even a little bit as a treat.

1967
01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:24.279
No, it's important to them, they like they have, they

1968
01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:26.119
work hard for that.

1969
01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:28.279
I was hoping you were going to say for them

1970
01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:30.640
in your school, it's important. Heroin is important.

1971
01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:34.159
Yeah, throw it around, yeah.

1972
01:54:33.479 --> 01:54:35.960
It's not chicklets or freakin sparties.

1973
01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:37.680
Yeah.

1974
01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:40.560
Well, we'll take a quick break and things are going

1975
01:54:40.640 --> 01:54:49.840
to get a little more dark right after this. All right,

1976
01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:53.640
we're back and Shell doesn't know what her favorite candy

1977
01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:56.680
dots taste like. I learned that during the break.

1978
01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:58.720
I don't know what that flavor is.

1979
01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:05.119
You just know they're your favorite. Yeah, okay, okay, But

1980
01:55:06.279 --> 01:55:10.239
going back to the story. On October thirty first, nineteen

1981
01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:17.119
seventy four, another child died in Houston, Texas. This time

1982
01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:22.840
the death was a result of eating poisoned candy. The

1983
01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:26.680
child's father had murdered his own son by placing cyanide

1984
01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:28.119
in a pixie stick.

1985
01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:31.279
That's weird.

1986
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:37.000
I remember reading about that. This story of the Houston

1987
01:55:37.279 --> 01:55:42.000
candy man killer quickly metastasized, though it had no evidence.

1988
01:55:42.119 --> 01:55:46.199
Newsweek magazine asserted in a nineteen seventy five article that quote,

1989
01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:51.239
over the past several years, several children have died and

1990
01:55:51.479 --> 01:55:56.199
hundreds have narrowly escaped injury from razor blades, sewing needles,

1991
01:55:56.359 --> 01:56:00.840
and shards of glass put in their goodies adults.

1992
01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.560
Wow, news has always been shit, huh?

1993
01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:08.039
I know, right? Whenever I hear an example of like

1994
01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:12.159
old news being like really ridiculous and performative and scaring

1995
01:56:12.199 --> 01:56:14.039
people for no good reason. I was saying, Oh, thank

1996
01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:19.159
god that's over. Yeah yeah yeah. By the nineteen eighties,

1997
01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:25.159
some communities had banned tricker treating, and this is something

1998
01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:29.079
I remember hearing about. While hospitals in some metropolitan areas

1999
01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:31.560
offered to X ray Halloween candy.

2000
01:56:32.039 --> 01:56:34.680
Wow, I would get my Halloween candy x ray. That

2001
01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:37.520
sounds like fun. You just want to see, like what's

2002
01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:39.239
in them? You're like, I just want to hang out

2003
01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:41.840
with the people at the hospital. They're so fun. Yeah,

2004
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:43.039
x ray text yay.

2005
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:50.600
Parent teacher associations encouraged fall festivals to replace Halloween, and

2006
01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:54.680
on Long Island, a community group gave prizes to children

2007
01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:58.840
who stayed home all together for Halloween of nineteen eighty two.

2008
01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:05.479
That's so, that is so lame. I would I want

2009
01:57:05.479 --> 01:57:07.560
to go back in time and give bigger prizes for

2010
01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:12.319
going out and putting razor blades in the prizes. Yeah,

2011
01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:14.800
but they're like they're not food, so it doesn't even matter.

2012
01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:16.279
There's like, oh, there's a razor blade in this.

2013
01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:21.119
It's a it's a toy bunny. The razor blade in.

2014
01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:24.319
It it's still the razor blades still in the packaging.

2015
01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:27.239
Yes, thank you, thanks.

2016
01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.720
I guess I'll be shaving in like four or five years.

2017
01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:30.560
Awesome.

2018
01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:35.000
In nineteen oh oh, in nineteen eighty two, was that

2019
01:57:35.039 --> 01:57:35.680
far you're born?

2020
01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:36.319
No?

2021
01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:39.279
Was a three? No? Four?

2022
01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:40.239
Yeah?

2023
01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:43.800
Nine, I just just keep going. In nineteen eighty two,

2024
01:57:43.920 --> 01:57:48.840
the governor of New Jersey signed a bill requiring a

2025
01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:51.800
jail term for those tampering with candy.

2026
01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:54.680
So no one ever got arrested for that.

2027
01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:56.680
Huh because no one had done it.

2028
01:57:57.079 --> 01:57:57.840
Yeah.

2029
01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:03.119
I love how this happens so often. It's performative, it's

2030
01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.039
it's it's government theater.

2031
01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:09.039
Well you remember, I don't remember if it's New York.

2032
01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:14.199
I think it's Vermont. The made that CHAMPI the Vermont,

2033
01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:19.880
the Lake Champlain, Mons River Monster. Yeah, it's like protected

2034
01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:23.960
under the law there. That doesn't make any sense.

2035
01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.439
Yeah, but that's at least kind of cute and folksy okay.

2036
01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:32.159
Like It's it's one thing too to like, you know,

2037
01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:37.159
ban bigfoot from rummaging in your garbage cans. It's another

2038
01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:41.800
thing to ban, you know, thrill kill gangs from stabbing

2039
01:58:41.880 --> 01:58:44.520
you to death in the produce produce department because you're like, well,

2040
01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:48.960
that never happens, and that's scary. Bigfoot is kind of funny.

2041
01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:53.640
Maybe maybe untilly scary, but no, it's just it's funny

2042
01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:56.479
because that kind of theater is so common in leadership

2043
01:58:57.319 --> 01:58:59.279
to kind of make it seem like you're doing something.

2044
01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:04.039
So in eighty two, New Jersey's governor signed a bill

2045
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:06.680
requiring a jail term for tampering with candy, even though

2046
01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:09.199
nobody had been accused of it.

2047
01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:12.600
Yeah, and it wasn't even like the kids that you

2048
01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:15.720
know had the incidents were in New Jersey.

2049
01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:20.760
No, Detroit and Texas. Yeah, so what is the point

2050
01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:22.880
I guess to make people think you're doing something?

2051
01:59:23.479 --> 01:59:23.840
Oh, I guess.

2052
01:59:24.119 --> 01:59:24.319
Yeah.

2053
01:59:24.319 --> 01:59:27.359
It makes everybody feel safer because now if they do it,

2054
01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:29.000
they're going to jail. I mean they were gonna go

2055
01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:31.359
to jail anyway, yes, if they did it, but now

2056
01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:32.720
they're like really going to jail.

2057
01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:34.359
Oh you don't see. That's why I was asking when

2058
01:59:34.359 --> 01:59:37.880
you were born, because you don't remember. Before nineteen eighty two,

2059
01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:41.000
the sign for New Jersey, instead of saying the Garden State,

2060
01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:44.359
it said a great place to tamper with Halloween candy

2061
01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:46.960
because it was the only state in the union that

2062
01:59:47.079 --> 01:59:49.199
allowed tampering with Halloween candy.

2063
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:49.960
Yeah.

2064
01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:52.800
Yeah, it was like going to Delaware so that you

2065
01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:54.880
didn't have to pay sales tax exactly.

2066
01:59:56.239 --> 01:59:59.279
So they're finally, okay, that's enough tampering with Halloween candy.

2067
02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:05.600
Okay, I've got my fill, I've bagged my limit. When

2068
02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:07.960
when I had my old job, which I can kind

2069
02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:09.760
of like talk more crap about it too because that

2070
02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:13.199
guy's gone at that job now, wow, But when I

2071
02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:15.239
had my old TV job, my boss was really just

2072
02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:18.119
a really poor boss. He just was not a good

2073
02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:22.199
option for bosses. My mom used to when I would

2074
02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:24.159
tell her, like the weird things he would demand or whatever,

2075
02:00:24.199 --> 02:00:26.279
my mom would say that she'd be like, that's management theater.

2076
02:00:26.399 --> 02:00:28.279
He doesn't know how to be a manager, so he's

2077
02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:30.760
just like doing stuff that sounds like what managers do.

2078
02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:31.239
Mm hmm.

2079
02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.560
Yeah, Like you know, like saying like, remember your lunch

2080
02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:36.720
your lunch break is thirty minutes, and it's like, okay,

2081
02:00:36.720 --> 02:00:39.800
but did anybody not do that because otherwise we all

2082
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:42.319
know how long our lunch break is. Like, was there

2083
02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:46.359
an incident that requires us to you know, lock down

2084
02:00:46.439 --> 02:00:49.359
on the lunch breaks. No, it's just you need to

2085
02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:53.359
be telling us things and threatening us, because otherwise there's

2086
02:00:53.399 --> 02:01:00.000
no evidence that you are the boss. Yeah, whoa anyway?

2087
02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:05.560
Hateful me? I'm hateful. However, a comprehensive nineteen oh wait,

2088
02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:08.000
I went I'm sorry, I went past the New Jersey thing.

2089
02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:11.800
Worries of parents and community leaders drove the fear in

2090
02:01:11.880 --> 02:01:17.000
a popular nationally syndicated newspaper advice column called Ask Anne Landers.

2091
02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:22.479
Landers warned in nineteen eighty three of quote twisted strangers

2092
02:01:22.840 --> 02:01:26.640
who had been quote putting razor blades and poison in

2093
02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:33.079
lat taffy apples and other Halloween candy, and Landers was like,

2094
02:01:33.159 --> 02:01:36.680
America's that aunt that sends you emails you don't want,

2095
02:01:37.920 --> 02:01:40.760
you know about gang initiations. Did you ever get those?

2096
02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:43.359
I got those on AOL Back in the day. I

2097
02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:46.800
would get emails, you know, forwarded, you know, chain letter gosh,

2098
02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:50.560
chain letters. Yeah, I would get chain letters. They would say, like,

2099
02:01:50.560 --> 02:01:55.000
you remember, tonight's a crypt's initiation night. If someone flashes

2100
02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.479
their high beams that you don't flash the Yeah, don't

2101
02:01:57.520 --> 02:01:58.199
flash back.

2102
02:01:59.800 --> 02:02:02.880
Yeah, drive you off the road and then probably kill

2103
02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:04.680
you if you're not already dead. I'm not really sure.

2104
02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:07.920
Usually, yeah, they'll they'll kill you. It's it's because the

2105
02:02:07.960 --> 02:02:10.439
initiation is they have to kill somebody, right.

2106
02:02:10.359 --> 02:02:13.000
So they figure, let's kill someone who doesn't have their

2107
02:02:13.079 --> 02:02:13.520
lights on.

2108
02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:15.640
Yeah, kill so randomly.

2109
02:02:16.439 --> 02:02:18.359
No, but it's bad because you're you're not you don't

2110
02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:20.880
have your lights on, You're gonna hit someone like, someone's

2111
02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:22.560
not gonna see you. So let's just kill them.

2112
02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:27.399
Yeah, let's just yah, Yeah, just boom boom, that's it.

2113
02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:32.920
Done with that bastard. I yeah, I mean I'm fascinated

2114
02:02:32.920 --> 02:02:36.239
by things that transferred through you know, urban legend ee

2115
02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:40.399
stuff and chain letters. But yeah, this whole like Halloween

2116
02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:42.960
candy poisoning thing. I mean, my mom believed it wholesale.

2117
02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:44.960
When I was a kid. She wasn't like, oh my god,

2118
02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:46.800
don't even touch your look at your Halloween candy. But

2119
02:02:46.840 --> 02:02:49.560
she was very like, if anything looks weird, set it

2120
02:02:49.600 --> 02:02:53.119
aside and I'll look at it. And very rarely did

2121
02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:56.479
anything look weird. Yeah, it was usually like those taffy's

2122
02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:59.279
that were like, you know, twisted on both ends. We

2123
02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:00.720
would have my mom, I would just kind of look

2124
02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:02.640
at them because they're not really sealed.

2125
02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:03.560
Yeah.

2126
02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:06.399
Yeah, so I remember those taffis that would be in

2127
02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:13.159
the black and orange paper. Maybe they weren't good, but

2128
02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:17.239
now I want one because nostalgia. So we're gonna take

2129
02:03:17.239 --> 02:03:19.680
a break and we'll find out a little bit more

2130
02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:34.880
about poisoning children. After this, we're back and Anne Landers

2131
02:03:34.960 --> 02:03:39.000
is telling people to fear taffy apples. I still don't

2132
02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:41.920
under I mean, I get that, like it's for the children.

2133
02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:45.560
People get a lot more reckless with things if it's

2134
02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:46.399
about the children.

2135
02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:47.279
Yeah.

2136
02:03:47.399 --> 02:03:51.239
Yeah. And also this whole twisted stranger's narrative she was

2137
02:03:51.279 --> 02:03:53.760
pushing I mean stranger danger was a total misstep.

2138
02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:54.520
Yeah.

2139
02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:57.279
Yeah. In reality, children are are much more at risk

2140
02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:01.479
of people they know, absolutely not strangers, you know, like

2141
02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:04.880
if you know, if you know Bob, he's bad. M

2142
02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:09.359
hm the end. Yeah, show's over. Just start playing the

2143
02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:13.800
crist No. Uh. However, a comprehensive nineteen eighty five study

2144
02:04:13.880 --> 02:04:17.560
of the thirty years of alleged poisoning did not find

2145
02:04:17.720 --> 02:04:22.920
even a single confirmed incident of a child's death or

2146
02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:30.560
even a serious injury. Wow, that's like not even like

2147
02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:32.760
a kid like busting their tooth on an apple.

2148
02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:37.159
Nothing, just me, I mean that is that a serious injury? Though? Like,

2149
02:04:37.199 --> 02:04:38.319
what are they consider.

2150
02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:39.760
Have it happened to you and see if you feel

2151
02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:44.199
like that fine. You know, even in Halloween two, there's

2152
02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:47.279
a like it takes place mostly at a hospital, and

2153
02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:50.000
like one of the things that happens is somebody comes

2154
02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:52.640
to the emergency room and a kid literally has a

2155
02:04:52.720 --> 02:04:56.119
razor blade stuck between his teeth out from biting into

2156
02:04:56.159 --> 02:04:59.520
an apple. Wowlloween like so that and that was like

2157
02:05:00.279 --> 02:05:03.159
would have been like eighty or eighty one. So that's

2158
02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:06.600
how quickly that proliferated. They thought to put that in

2159
02:05:06.640 --> 02:05:12.880
a movie about Halloween. Sociologist Joel Best don't trust the

2160
02:05:12.920 --> 02:05:17.039
rest trust. Joel Best at the University of Delaware, who

2161
02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:20.880
led the study, called it an urban legend. Most reports

2162
02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:24.279
of poisoned Halloween candy that appeared in print were editorials

2163
02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:28.800
written by authoritative voices in politics and media rather than

2164
02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:34.399
actual events. That is tough. Sometimes you ever see, like

2165
02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:37.199
some friend of your share some really ridiculous news story

2166
02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:40.680
with like a terrifying headline, and when you look at it,

2167
02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:43.000
the first thing you see is it says editorial. You know,

2168
02:05:43.039 --> 02:05:47.680
like this isn't news, this is an opinion. Although now

2169
02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:50.600
it's getting to the point where a friend of mine

2170
02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:53.920
he has a degree in journalism, and he was talking

2171
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:58.000
about how like the amount like versus twenty years ago

2172
02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:03.039
when he was in college, the amount of of of

2173
02:06:03.439 --> 02:06:06.920
what do you call it, like un known sources, like

2174
02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:11.000
of of sources without you know, a name, Yeah, is insane.

2175
02:06:11.000 --> 02:06:14.119
It used to almost never be how you would report something,

2176
02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:17.359
and now it almost always is how you report the

2177
02:06:17.359 --> 02:06:19.840
news through unnamed sources.

2178
02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:21.600
Yeah.

2179
02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:23.920
And he said it used to be that like if

2180
02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:26.000
you if you didn't have a named source, you better

2181
02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:28.239
really have looked into it because if it turns out

2182
02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:30.399
to be bunk, like, everybody comes down on you for

2183
02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:35.720
using a unknown source. And now it's like that's just Tuesday.

2184
02:06:36.319 --> 02:06:37.960
Yeah.

2185
02:06:38.039 --> 02:06:40.840
Oh well, at least the clicks are happening. Okay, So

2186
02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:42.720
before I don't want to get black pilled. I actually

2187
02:06:42.800 --> 02:06:47.600
love Halloween kids, uh, and I love kids not being poisoned.

2188
02:06:48.039 --> 02:06:49.000
Yeah, it's pretty good.

2189
02:06:49.359 --> 02:06:53.800
It's not bad. It's not bad at all. However, police

2190
02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:57.560
all over the country urged parents to accompany their children

2191
02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:02.039
while trigger treating. In nineteen eighty two, annual Halloween festivities

2192
02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:08.079
that the Governor's mansion in Hartford, Connecticut were canceled. Why

2193
02:07:08.119 --> 02:07:11.119
did a series of rumors very loosely based on a

2194
02:07:11.159 --> 02:07:14.600
small number of tragic crimes, convinced so many people in

2195
02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:20.319
authority and led to such panic. Oh. In his book

2196
02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:25.000
The Vanishing Hitchhiker, I have that book, folklorist John Harold

2197
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:30.000
runvand Brunvand argues that while urban legends may be grounded

2198
02:07:30.000 --> 02:07:34.479
in actual incidents, they often come to stand and often

2199
02:07:34.520 --> 02:07:36.920
come to stand in for real world fears.

2200
02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:38.680
Mm hm, that makes sense.

2201
02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:41.399
That book's really good. I read it like three or

2202
02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:45.399
four years ago, and it's really really good. In the

2203
02:07:45.399 --> 02:07:49.159
case of poison Candy, my own research into American politics

2204
02:07:49.199 --> 02:07:52.039
and horror tales suggests that those fears might have been

2205
02:07:52.079 --> 02:07:55.359
driven in part by the multitude of problems facing the

2206
02:07:55.479 --> 02:07:57.760
United States at the time. It's a good point. The

2207
02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:02.640
seventies were like pretty brutal, Yeah, yeah, very violent time

2208
02:08:02.720 --> 02:08:06.359
in American history, very uncertain time in American history. Same

2209
02:08:06.399 --> 02:08:08.479
with the sixties. Sixties and seventies were kind of a nightmare.

2210
02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:10.920
I think it's one of the reasons so many people,

2211
02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:12.680
I mean, I'm not going to go either way on him,

2212
02:08:12.680 --> 02:08:13.880
but I think it's one of the reasons there are

2213
02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:17.960
a lot of people who really love on Reagan. In hindsight,

2214
02:08:18.800 --> 02:08:22.159
because the eighties were definitely like a calming of a

2215
02:08:22.199 --> 02:08:25.279
lot of the major national anxieties. Whether it was because

2216
02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:27.720
of Reagan or not is not my point. It's just

2217
02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.199
that that could make you look at him fondly just

2218
02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:33.800
by how those were better times. Sure, like he really

2219
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:35.399
doesn't have to have anything to do with making the

2220
02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:38.359
times better. If he was just there, you'd be like, Ah,

2221
02:08:38.399 --> 02:08:44.119
the Gipper, Yeah, the Gipper, You like the Gipper? Sure,

2222
02:08:44.239 --> 02:08:46.880
sure you have that T shirt that says the Gipper?

2223
02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:48.600
Oh is that what that means?

2224
02:08:50.039 --> 02:08:51.239
T shirt? Yeah?

2225
02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:55.880
Yeah, I always thought it was like called a short sweater.

2226
02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:09.119
Well played. The years from nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy

2227
02:09:09.159 --> 02:09:13.239
five were marked by cultural upheaval, both domestic and geopolitical.

2228
02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:17.119
In nineteen seventy four, President Richard Nixon resigned following the

2229
02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:20.880
Watergate scandal. That scandal exposed the abuse of power and

2230
02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:25.239
a criminal cover up under his administration. Yeah, Americans had

2231
02:09:25.359 --> 02:09:27.439
much more to worry about than Watergate. In the mid

2232
02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:31.199
nineteen seventies, scholar of the Vietnam era, Christian g Appy,

2233
02:09:31.479 --> 02:09:33.880
in his book two thousand and fifth Areas twenty fifteen

2234
02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:37.479
book American Reckoning described the era as one in which

2235
02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:42.199
defeat in Vietnam, combined with stagnant economic growth and soaring inflation,

2236
02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:45.680
caused many Americans to see the country itself as a

2237
02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:52.800
quote victim of forces beyond its control. That's an interesting.

2238
02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:55.920
Concept, Yeah, it is, actually, Yeah, this.

2239
02:09:55.920 --> 02:09:59.600
Sense of victimization drove that drove the sense that American

2240
02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:05.239
societ had become deeply unsafe all the society. The social

2241
02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:08.680
change in the nineteen seventies fed the creation of urban legends,

2242
02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:13.640
argue sociologist Jeffrey S. Victor. A brutal story about strangers

2243
02:10:13.640 --> 02:10:17.640
with poison candy seemed a preferable national fantasy to the

2244
02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:22.039
historical reality. In the nineteen seventies and eighties. Horror at

2245
02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:24.520
the state of the world can take form of parody

2246
02:10:24.680 --> 02:10:29.199
or simple scary stories. Americans had become so disenchanted, according

2247
02:10:29.199 --> 02:10:32.760
to the journalist and historian Rick Pearlstein, that bleak and

2248
02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:36.000
frightening films such as nineteen seventy four As the Exorcist

2249
02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:37.840
captured the national mood.

2250
02:10:38.680 --> 02:10:42.600
Okay, so I can kind of understand this, I mean,

2251
02:10:42.640 --> 02:10:47.439
coming from like the candy standpoint, that is, because it's like, Okay,

2252
02:10:47.479 --> 02:10:49.319
so there are evil people out there, and there's something

2253
02:10:49.399 --> 02:10:52.159
we can do about these evil people where normally we

2254
02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:54.680
feel like we're powerless and we're just things are just

2255
02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:57.800
happening randomly, and so I kind of get that.

2256
02:10:58.239 --> 02:11:00.760
Yeah, And that's the thing when when it comes to

2257
02:11:00.840 --> 02:11:03.880
because I've spent a lot of time thinking about horror

2258
02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:07.239
and how it fits the zeitgeist, because there are a

2259
02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:10.840
lot of interesting things like when the Amityville Horror book

2260
02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:13.840
came out and then the movie came out, and they

2261
02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:17.560
were both gigantic hits, and it caused a flurry of

2262
02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:21.520
haunted house movies. That was during an era where white

2263
02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:24.359
flight was happening, like people were just leaving the cities

2264
02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:26.960
and droves and buying houses. It was also one of

2265
02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:31.000
the biggest times, biggest spikes in home ownership in America.

2266
02:11:32.159 --> 02:11:37.239
And if you think about it, buying a home is scary.

2267
02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:40.960
You know, Oh, the walls are bleeding. Well, that sounds

2268
02:11:40.960 --> 02:11:44.279
better than some plumbing problems I've heard about, you know.

2269
02:11:44.680 --> 02:11:49.279
So you can see how it feeds on anxieties, and

2270
02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:51.800
if you dig even deeper, that's where it gets convoluted

2271
02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:55.520
and confusing, because sometimes it's escapism and other times it's

2272
02:11:55.520 --> 02:12:01.439
catharsis you can go either way. Like after nine to eleven,

2273
02:12:02.439 --> 02:12:08.720
horror shifted to extremely violent torture horror movies. They became

2274
02:12:08.960 --> 02:12:13.079
very popular right after nine to eleven when torture was

2275
02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:17.560
in the news. So it was more of a Catharsis

2276
02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:20.399
like a like a safer way to look at that

2277
02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:23.840
reality being in a movie theater rather than thinking like

2278
02:12:24.199 --> 02:12:27.760
we're doing this or you know, my you know, loved

2279
02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:29.560
ones in the military could be doing this right now.

2280
02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:33.119
I don't know what's going on. So it's a really

2281
02:12:33.159 --> 02:12:36.119
fair point because, yeah, horror and not just movies and books,

2282
02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:40.199
but obviously urban legends, myths, the things we talk about,

2283
02:12:40.239 --> 02:12:42.560
the things that make us scared, have a lot to

2284
02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:46.600
do with what's going on in our lives. Yeah, yeah,

2285
02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:50.600
so we'll we'll finish up this heavy story thanks to

2286
02:12:50.640 --> 02:13:02.600
Michelle making it dark. Sorry right after this, so we're

2287
02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:07.159
back and we're kind of getting to the heart of

2288
02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:13.319
this whole poison candy myth. This is a really interesting article.

2289
02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:15.920
When I found it, I was like ooh because it

2290
02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:17.560
was brand new, because most of the stuff I've read

2291
02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:21.239
about poisoned Halloween candy is old right, like it was

2292
02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:28.079
published in the early two thousands, or twenty ten's the

2293
02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:30.640
false Case of the poison candy legend is another way

2294
02:13:30.680 --> 02:13:34.760
that American fears manifested as an easily understood threat to innocence.

2295
02:13:35.880 --> 02:13:39.479
Scholar David J. Skull, in his book Death Makes a Holiday,

2296
02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.520
argues Halloween, throughout its history has provided a moment for

2297
02:13:43.560 --> 02:13:49.960
people to unleash their political and cultural fears. As an example,

2298
02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:54.119
Skoll notes Richard Nixon became the first president satirized by

2299
02:13:54.119 --> 02:13:57.680
a rubber Halloween mask in the autumn of nineteen seventy four,

2300
02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:02.239
just two months after his resignation. I remember that being

2301
02:14:02.239 --> 02:14:08.680
a very big deal that that there were masks of him. Today,

2302
02:14:08.760 --> 02:14:11.760
a majority of Americans of all ages see Halloween as

2303
02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:16.039
an opportunity to celebrate excess, kind of like a dark

2304
02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:17.960
Marty Gras. I don't know, depending on how you look

2305
02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:19.880
at Marty Gras. I think Marti Gras might be the

2306
02:14:19.960 --> 02:14:20.920
dark Marty Gras.

2307
02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:22.600
Maybe.

2308
02:14:24.399 --> 02:14:28.600
But some Christian churches, especially those who attend those attended

2309
02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:33.000
by conservative Eangelicals, continue to declare a kind of war

2310
02:14:33.079 --> 02:14:37.119
on Halloween every year. Many Evangelicals, in their own descriptions,

2311
02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:40.079
see the holiday as a celebration of the occult often

2312
02:14:40.199 --> 02:14:42.880
viewed in their religious worldview as connected to a very

2313
02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:46.239
literal satan. I do want to mention because I was

2314
02:14:46.239 --> 02:14:48.119
talking about this with a friend of mine the other day.

2315
02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:52.640
We were talking about haunts and how you know, like

2316
02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:55.079
haunted houses, spook houses, whatever, you know, places you go

2317
02:14:55.159 --> 02:14:59.439
to get scared. And when I was a kid, all

2318
02:14:59.479 --> 02:15:04.880
the haunted houses I went to were churches. No really, yeah,

2319
02:15:05.119 --> 02:15:07.600
And I've noticed as I've gotten older that people don't

2320
02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:11.279
talk about that very much. They talk about, you know,

2321
02:15:11.399 --> 02:15:13.920
the hell houses, like the how the haunted houses where

2322
02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:15.159
you go in and they just tell you all the

2323
02:15:15.159 --> 02:15:17.640
things that you do if you sin, and you know

2324
02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:19.600
what your soul will be, like torture. They're not common.

2325
02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:22.319
I never saw one. I've heard of these like Christian

2326
02:15:22.359 --> 02:15:24.960
haunted houses. And then you hear about like the old

2327
02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:28.239
blue Hairs who are saying like, oh, it's satanic, it's evil,

2328
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:30.239
you can't go trick or treating. But when I was

2329
02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:33.680
growing up, like the church folk loved Halloween. Yeah, they

2330
02:15:33.680 --> 02:15:37.720
hosted bobbing for apples parties, you know, and they would

2331
02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:41.359
do little tiny haunts to raise money for charity. And

2332
02:15:41.399 --> 02:15:44.760
I went to at least two, maybe three haunted houses

2333
02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:48.319
hosted by different churches in my babysitters neighborhood when I

2334
02:15:48.399 --> 02:15:51.359
was a little kid, interesting so and they were all

2335
02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:53.239
for charity. It was like, you know, and they were

2336
02:15:53.279 --> 02:15:55.920
silly and goofy. I loved them. I've always said if

2337
02:15:56.000 --> 02:15:59.600
I if I could do anything with my home, if

2338
02:15:59.640 --> 02:16:02.039
my home a little bigger, I would turn my garage

2339
02:16:02.039 --> 02:16:04.760
into like a little haunted house for trigger treaters, you know,

2340
02:16:04.800 --> 02:16:06.520
with just like a few props and stuff. But it's

2341
02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:08.000
just too impossible.

2342
02:16:08.720 --> 02:16:10.920
I don't know. Actually, when I was growing up, there

2343
02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:12.399
was a half in my neighborhood that did that with

2344
02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:14.720
their garage. I don't think I ever went in there

2345
02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:16.479
because it was kind of like out of the way

2346
02:16:16.760 --> 02:16:17.279
a little bit.

2347
02:16:17.680 --> 02:16:20.199
Uh huh. You were scared. Just admit you were scared.

2348
02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:22.159
No, I'm not scared.

2349
02:16:23.119 --> 02:16:25.279
Right, she was scared.

2350
02:16:25.720 --> 02:16:28.039
I'm not. I don't be scared of things.

2351
02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:32.120
You were scared. It's okay. People get scared. No, No,

2352
02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:35.840
I'm just you were scared. It's all right, You're allowed

2353
02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:40.120
to get scared. I was like ten, Yeah, a scared

2354
02:16:40.159 --> 02:16:47.360
ten year old. Halloween, with its association with the powers

2355
02:16:47.360 --> 02:16:51.319
of darkness, can allow many legends to flourish tales of

2356
02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:57.200
dangerous outsiders, poisoned candy, and other alleged threats to American life.

2357
02:16:57.840 --> 02:17:01.120
Social media may serve that role the rest of the year,

2358
02:17:01.159 --> 02:17:05.719
but on Halloween, dark rumors may actually knock at the door.

2359
02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:10.760
It's not a bad piece. Yeah, it got a little honestly,

2360
02:17:10.840 --> 02:17:14.399
got a little sensational right there at the end itself,

2361
02:17:14.440 --> 02:17:16.239
which is funny because I was talking about sensation. It's

2362
02:17:16.239 --> 02:17:19.440
like all these people are like hate Halloween and are

2363
02:17:19.479 --> 02:17:21.760
trying to whatever. It's like, yeah, some I guess. I

2364
02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:25.719
actually never hear anti Halloween sentiment anymore from religious people.

2365
02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:30.200
They could be out there, I'm sure.

2366
02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:31.440
They are, but yeah, I mean I don't know.

2367
02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:39.760
Well, fine, fine, shell. Well, speaking of I went to

2368
02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:44.360
a haunted, a major haunted attraction last week and I

2369
02:17:44.399 --> 02:17:49.479
went to Land of Illusion in Middletown, Ohio. Had a

2370
02:17:49.520 --> 02:17:52.239
great time at six haunts in one night. I was

2371
02:17:52.280 --> 02:17:54.680
basically drunk on spooky by the end of it because

2372
02:17:55.120 --> 02:17:56.559
it was like almost one in the morning. I was

2373
02:17:56.600 --> 02:17:59.000
so tired, and I had just been going from room

2374
02:17:59.040 --> 02:18:02.600
to room with these like crazy lights and effects and stuff.

2375
02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:08.120
And they did this one room called the Lights Out Room,

2376
02:18:09.440 --> 02:18:13.840
and it was a maze And when it starts, you

2377
02:18:13.879 --> 02:18:16.319
walk into a room and it's all painted bright white

2378
02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:18.959
to look like a hospital room. Okay, and a guy

2379
02:18:19.000 --> 02:18:21.159
gives you a speech about how to get through the maze,

2380
02:18:21.479 --> 02:18:23.680
but literally he says the first rule is don't look up.

2381
02:18:23.719 --> 02:18:26.639
And then he flips the switch and these giant floodlights

2382
02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:30.520
turn on on the ceiling and they're like five times

2383
02:18:30.520 --> 02:18:33.079
as bright as you would want lights to be. So

2384
02:18:33.239 --> 02:18:35.639
he talks to you for forty seconds under that light

2385
02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:38.280
and then puts you into a room where there's zero light.

2386
02:18:38.319 --> 02:18:41.120
Everything's painted black and it's full of fog, so you

2387
02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:44.440
are blind, like you're opening your eyes as white as

2388
02:18:44.440 --> 02:18:48.000
you can and seeing nothing. It's awesome because it's so scary.

2389
02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:51.920
Have you there's a thing in it?

2390
02:18:52.040 --> 02:18:52.239
Used?

2391
02:18:52.399 --> 02:18:57.479
I guess it's still there in the that science museum

2392
02:18:57.639 --> 02:19:01.719
that's like right outside of New York and whatever the

2393
02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:05.000
hell that's called, where there's a there's like an exhibit

2394
02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:08.079
that you go through and it's completely pitch black and

2395
02:19:08.120 --> 02:19:09.920
you just have to you just have to hold the

2396
02:19:09.920 --> 02:19:11.479
side of the wall and go through it.

2397
02:19:12.280 --> 02:19:12.639
Huh.

2398
02:19:13.319 --> 02:19:16.360
I guess you've never been there, no, because why would

2399
02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:17.000
you be there?

2400
02:19:17.319 --> 02:19:19.959
Yeah? I was gonna, I was gonna, wasn't gonna.

2401
02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:22.200
Be that super interesting? And you crawl at some point

2402
02:19:22.319 --> 02:19:24.760
and you walk at some point you have to go

2403
02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:25.559
over things.

2404
02:19:25.879 --> 02:19:27.600
Yeah that sounds cool.

2405
02:19:28.159 --> 02:19:28.719
Oh yes.

2406
02:19:29.040 --> 02:19:30.840
The crazy part was that when I went through this,

2407
02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:34.600
it was like eleven o'clock at night, and when I

2408
02:19:34.639 --> 02:19:36.799
got out, I was like not quite right the rest

2409
02:19:36.799 --> 02:19:38.680
of the night, like it like it like knocked my

2410
02:19:38.760 --> 02:19:41.959
equilibrium around or something. It was really cool, though, that's

2411
02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:43.399
I felt a little odd.

2412
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:45.760
Yeah, it's called the Liberty Science Center.

2413
02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:49.799
Sorry, Oh okay, Liberty Science Center. Okay, Yeah, but so

2414
02:19:49.920 --> 02:19:54.840
that was really fun. I went to all six exhibits,

2415
02:19:54.879 --> 02:19:59.799
but or haunts but Doctor Psychos, which is the less

2416
02:20:00.479 --> 02:20:04.479
more gross one. Last year, when I went to see

2417
02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:07.200
Doctor Psycho, which was my first time, I got called

2418
02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:11.479
out by Doctor Psycho as a movie director and then

2419
02:20:11.639 --> 02:20:15.479
he like grab like kind of like not pushed me around,

2420
02:20:15.159 --> 02:20:17.120
and he like kind of singled me out and like

2421
02:20:17.440 --> 02:20:21.280
did creepy stuff. This year, when I went through, he

2422
02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:24.600
called me out again, but this time he decided to

2423
02:20:26.319 --> 02:20:28.639
His big gag is he gives his speech and then

2424
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:33.280
he eats worms nightcrawlers. He takes them out holds them

2425
02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:35.120
out to make sure you can see they're real, and

2426
02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:38.559
then he sucks them down. Wow, it's a geek act.

2427
02:20:38.639 --> 02:20:41.079
I mean like like biting the heads off chickens, but

2428
02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:43.920
much less violent and cruel, but like it's you know,

2429
02:20:43.959 --> 02:20:47.000
eats worms. Yeah, they're worms. I mean, I just I'm

2430
02:20:47.000 --> 02:20:48.959
not a huge fan of worms. I mean, not not

2431
02:20:49.040 --> 02:20:50.120
that I want them to die, but I mean like

2432
02:20:50.159 --> 02:20:54.719
they scare me. So he said hi to me and

2433
02:20:54.760 --> 02:20:57.040
then like like gave me a side hug and just

2434
02:20:57.079 --> 02:20:59.399
started talking to me in his voice. And then these

2435
02:20:59.399 --> 02:21:01.360
teenage girls that were behind me in line, he like

2436
02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:04.840
used me to scare them by slurping the worm really

2437
02:21:04.920 --> 02:21:08.079
close to me and they were all screaming and I

2438
02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:12.399
was trying not to gag. Yeah, And when I walked out,

2439
02:21:12.559 --> 02:21:15.639
I had worm juice on my glasses because he had

2440
02:21:15.680 --> 02:21:17.680
slurped it so close to my face.

2441
02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:18.399
Wow.

2442
02:21:19.879 --> 02:21:21.760
And then he facebooked me and was like awesome to

2443
02:21:21.799 --> 02:21:23.719
see you, thanks for coming by, and I was like yep,

2444
02:21:26.159 --> 02:21:29.319
but it was really really fun. So and by the

2445
02:21:29.360 --> 02:21:30.920
time you guys hear this, I will have been to

2446
02:21:30.959 --> 02:21:34.280
the Brimstone Haunt and I might even go again because

2447
02:21:34.319 --> 02:21:37.319
they do lights out night or blackout Night the day

2448
02:21:37.360 --> 02:21:40.319
after Halloween where all of the lights are off but

2449
02:21:40.360 --> 02:21:43.079
the haunts are open, so you have to kind of

2450
02:21:43.159 --> 02:21:46.680
manage around and it's extra creepy and weird. I don't know,

2451
02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:49.200
I'm just I love haunts. I used to not be

2452
02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:50.920
able to afford to go to them. Now I can

2453
02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:55.600
afford to, and they're really fun good. So we're gonna

2454
02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:57.520
take a quick break and we're gonna wrap things up

2455
02:21:57.559 --> 02:22:00.840
talking about some horror media. We've looked at what's scary

2456
02:22:00.879 --> 02:22:03.559
on Reddit and whatever else Michelle comes up with, because

2457
02:22:03.600 --> 02:22:06.520
now it's her job to be as interesting as possible.

2458
02:22:06.959 --> 02:22:16.920
What right after this? All right, we're back wrapping up

2459
02:22:16.959 --> 02:22:22.719
this October edition of Monthly Spooky and our fortieth episode,

2460
02:22:23.760 --> 02:22:27.639
which is kind of wild. I'm still wrapping my head

2461
02:22:27.639 --> 02:22:31.239
around it. So first of all, I want to talk

2462
02:22:31.239 --> 02:22:34.319
a little bit about horror media that I've been seeing

2463
02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:37.120
in the theater. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to go

2464
02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:40.600
to a bunch of like older movie screenings this year.

2465
02:22:40.719 --> 02:22:42.520
There just weren't that many, and most of them were

2466
02:22:42.520 --> 02:22:46.280
on Wednesdays, and I just couldn't make that work. I've

2467
02:22:46.319 --> 02:22:48.319
been working, really Oh and they were all at like seven.

2468
02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:50.200
I was like, if this was at nine, I could

2469
02:22:50.200 --> 02:22:55.040
go I can't get away that early. I'm freaking I'm

2470
02:22:55.079 --> 02:22:59.079
recording spooky stories like all adults. That's what's keeping me

2471
02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:01.680
from doing that. I have to tell a scary story

2472
02:23:01.680 --> 02:23:03.680
into a microphone in a dark room and give myself

2473
02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:07.159
the creeps. That's literally my job. I will say there

2474
02:23:07.159 --> 02:23:11.399
were days when I was recording that I was like tired,

2475
02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:13.520
and I was kind of like, oh my god, okay,

2476
02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.399
like I gotta get through this. There were also days

2477
02:23:16.440 --> 02:23:18.280
I got really into the stories I was reading, and

2478
02:23:18.319 --> 02:23:21.000
it definitely kept my Halloween vibe going because I'd be like,

2479
02:23:21.040 --> 02:23:23.000
oh cool, I just spent most of my day reading

2480
02:23:23.000 --> 02:23:27.079
a scary story. Like sounds fine by me. But I

2481
02:23:27.120 --> 02:23:30.040
did manage to even with all that said, see three

2482
02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:34.559
horror movies in the theater and one on streaming. That's

2483
02:23:34.600 --> 02:23:39.920
brand new. Okay, So first up, I saw oh wait,

2484
02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:43.239
you know what I saw last Rites Conjuring last month.

2485
02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:44.760
We talked about that last month, so I'm not going

2486
02:23:44.840 --> 02:23:47.239
to talk about that here, but it's still three. I

2487
02:23:47.319 --> 02:23:51.239
saw The Strangers Chapter two, which is the second part

2488
02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:57.440
of the Strangers series. The remake series really fun, like

2489
02:23:57.680 --> 02:24:02.200
just a straight slasher horror movie with a lot of

2490
02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:05.040
tension and suspense. A lot of people want to hate

2491
02:24:05.040 --> 02:24:07.520
on those movies, and I don't know why. They're literally

2492
02:24:07.639 --> 02:24:11.079
just horror movies for fun. Yeah they're not. They're not

2493
02:24:11.120 --> 02:24:14.959
super dumb, they're not super smart. They're really fun. And

2494
02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:18.120
there's an incident not incident, I mean it is an incident,

2495
02:24:18.159 --> 02:24:20.360
but there's a scene where she's in the woods hiding

2496
02:24:20.440 --> 02:24:24.959
from killers and she gets attacked by an unexpected like

2497
02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:29.040
unexpected entity that like literally made me jump up on

2498
02:24:29.040 --> 02:24:30.840
my seat and go, oh my god, this is wild,

2499
02:24:30.920 --> 02:24:32.920
and I was like enamored the whole time.

2500
02:24:33.239 --> 02:24:33.520
Cool.

2501
02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:37.399
It's the second of a trilogy that's already been filmed,

2502
02:24:37.639 --> 02:24:39.799
and often when they do that, the second movie is

2503
02:24:39.879 --> 02:24:42.040
kind of the meandering movie, you know, like they're kind

2504
02:24:42.040 --> 02:24:44.639
of on their way somewhere. This one set up so

2505
02:24:44.760 --> 02:24:47.799
well that basically every friggin character you see might be

2506
02:24:47.879 --> 02:24:51.200
one of the bat the murderers that's hunting this girl. Yeah,

2507
02:24:51.239 --> 02:24:55.040
like everybody is untrustworthy and it's really really fun. I

2508
02:24:55.079 --> 02:24:58.000
don't care. I think they're fun as hell. A lot

2509
02:24:58.040 --> 02:25:01.440
of people are like it's just it's lame, and I

2510
02:25:01.479 --> 02:25:03.920
was like, I was spooped the whole time. It wasn't

2511
02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:06.680
like these horror movies where you know it's an artistic

2512
02:25:06.719 --> 02:25:09.280
statement and then you hopefully get scared. Like it was

2513
02:25:09.319 --> 02:25:12.680
just cool and fun. But I enjoyed it. Then I

2514
02:25:12.719 --> 02:25:15.639
saw a movie that really blew me away in the theater,

2515
02:25:16.719 --> 02:25:19.719
which is a movie called good Boy, A horror film

2516
02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:21.920
from the perspective of a dog.

2517
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:22.840
Right.

2518
02:25:24.159 --> 02:25:26.239
That was awesome. I saw it twice in the theater.

2519
02:25:26.319 --> 02:25:28.079
I liked it so much I took Rachel to see

2520
02:25:28.079 --> 02:25:31.639
it a second time. Cool. I loved it. It is

2521
02:25:31.680 --> 02:25:33.840
a haunted house movie. A guy moves into a house

2522
02:25:33.879 --> 02:25:37.000
with a dog and weird things start happening. It's from

2523
02:25:37.000 --> 02:25:40.440
the dog's perspective, but not like the dog's literal pov.

2524
02:25:40.600 --> 02:25:44.520
It's the dog is the main character, so the things

2525
02:25:44.520 --> 02:25:46.840
that are happening how the dog reacts as the most

2526
02:25:46.840 --> 02:25:49.799
important element. And I thought they did a great job

2527
02:25:49.840 --> 02:25:52.760
of not only the dog was was did a really

2528
02:25:52.760 --> 02:25:55.159
good job because they worked really hard. They shot for

2529
02:25:55.200 --> 02:25:57.719
over two years, an hour to three hours at a time.

2530
02:25:58.079 --> 02:25:58.479
Wow.

2531
02:25:58.639 --> 02:26:00.959
The dog was not an actor dog or a trained dog.

2532
02:26:01.000 --> 02:26:05.319
It was just their dog. And I thought they did

2533
02:26:05.319 --> 02:26:07.600
a great job of the emotion of it. I thought

2534
02:26:07.600 --> 02:26:09.719
they did a great job of making it about things

2535
02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:14.440
a dog would be scared about, both intellectually and literally,

2536
02:26:14.479 --> 02:26:16.280
like dogs are afraid of noises, but also like a

2537
02:26:16.319 --> 02:26:18.840
dog would be afraid of their owner disappearing or dying

2538
02:26:19.000 --> 02:26:21.079
or but they also wouldn't be able to understand, so

2539
02:26:21.079 --> 02:26:24.319
maybe it would just be anxiety, you know, because dogs

2540
02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:27.879
don't really like literally understand. They kind of understand, you know,

2541
02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:30.719
they're animals, And I'm a dog person, so obviously I

2542
02:26:30.799 --> 02:26:33.000
really like that too. My first thought when I came

2543
02:26:33.000 --> 02:26:35.719
home and I saw Rachel's Cat e Too is I

2544
02:26:35.760 --> 02:26:37.639
was just like, if the movie were a cat, the

2545
02:26:37.680 --> 02:26:40.040
cat would just sleep happily while the guy was being

2546
02:26:40.120 --> 02:26:43.920
killed by ghosts. Yeah, and that would be the whole movie.

2547
02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:49.200
And then I saw The Black Phone Part two. I

2548
02:26:49.280 --> 02:26:51.559
really liked it. I thought The Black Phone was a

2549
02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:54.920
phenomenal movie, very scary. Part two was a little bit

2550
02:26:55.040 --> 02:26:58.280
lighter on the scares and more fantastical. But I think

2551
02:26:58.360 --> 02:27:01.319
it's hard to make a sequel just scary as the

2552
02:27:01.319 --> 02:27:04.200
first one when the first one was extremely scary. But

2553
02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:06.600
I really liked it. It was very eighties throwback, which

2554
02:27:06.680 --> 02:27:08.879
everybody loves and I do too. I'm just getting a

2555
02:27:08.879 --> 02:27:12.319
little burnout on nostalgia right now in movies. I kind

2556
02:27:12.319 --> 02:27:15.280
of want like something modern right now. I don't know why.

2557
02:27:15.319 --> 02:27:18.319
It's just kind of my vibe, but I liked it

2558
02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:20.280
Black Phone two. I'm gonna go see it again maybe

2559
02:27:20.319 --> 02:27:26.200
next Monday and then on two B. They just released

2560
02:27:26.920 --> 02:27:32.600
last week R. L Stein's Pumpkinhead, a feature length adaptation

2561
02:27:32.799 --> 02:27:36.559
of one of R. L Stein's Haunting Hour episodes where

2562
02:27:36.600 --> 02:27:38.760
a young kid moves to a new town with his

2563
02:27:38.840 --> 02:27:41.840
brother and finds out there's some kind of demonic farmer

2564
02:27:41.959 --> 02:27:46.760
pumpkin patch packed with the devil, and it eats children

2565
02:27:46.920 --> 02:27:48.159
to keep the crops growing.

2566
02:27:48.600 --> 02:27:50.200
Okay, I mean that's how that would work.

2567
02:27:50.760 --> 02:27:52.840
It was that's how it should work, right.

2568
02:27:53.040 --> 02:27:53.520
Yeah.

2569
02:27:53.559 --> 02:27:57.120
It was really fun. It was very cheesy and silly.

2570
02:27:57.239 --> 02:28:01.159
It had a really dark ending. I was really I

2571
02:28:01.280 --> 02:28:03.959
liked it, but I was very surprised by it, so

2572
02:28:04.559 --> 02:28:07.319
that one's super fun. It was definitely geared for teenagers.

2573
02:28:07.399 --> 02:28:09.079
So if you have like a twelve thirteen year old

2574
02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.200
kid and you want to watch something for Halloween, I

2575
02:28:11.239 --> 02:28:15.239
really recommend arl Stein's Pumpkinhead, which is streaming on to

2576
02:28:15.399 --> 02:28:18.000
be for free. So those are the things I've watched,

2577
02:28:19.120 --> 02:28:21.000
you know, other than I've watched like Nightmine, ELM Street

2578
02:28:21.040 --> 02:28:22.879
movies because the new four K box that came out

2579
02:28:22.920 --> 02:28:25.799
and stuff, and man they looked amazing Parts three, four,

2580
02:28:25.799 --> 02:28:30.159
and five looked like unbelievably good, good, like really good.

2581
02:28:30.239 --> 02:28:32.360
So that's what I got. Do you have anything in

2582
02:28:32.360 --> 02:28:34.879
the world of Reddit to share with us on this

2583
02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:36.559
spooky season? Um?

2584
02:28:38.799 --> 02:28:42.559
Yes, I don't remember it. Let me see where it

2585
02:28:42.639 --> 02:28:49.360
is follow out. Thanks. Okay, So there's this dude, I guess. Okay,

2586
02:28:49.719 --> 02:28:52.040
this is from Glitch in the Matrix because the other

2587
02:28:52.079 --> 02:28:56.319
one suck. So there's this dude and in like twenty

2588
02:28:56.319 --> 02:29:00.239
twenty two, he's living somewhere in Ohio. Oh yeah, yeah,

2589
02:29:00.239 --> 02:29:04.879
he's Ohio person. And he is driving home from somewhere

2590
02:29:05.479 --> 02:29:08.239
like he I guess he was. I don't know where

2591
02:29:08.280 --> 02:29:12.440
he was, Okay, I understand he was just dry. Yeah,

2592
02:29:12.479 --> 02:29:14.239
I don't know where he was driving home from somewhere

2593
02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:17.639
and he's I guess he's living in Ohio. He's like

2594
02:29:17.680 --> 02:29:20.440
three hours away from home. He's passing through a city

2595
02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:23.920
in Ohio, but he doesn't specify it, and he realizes

2596
02:29:23.920 --> 02:29:28.559
that he's about to run out of gas, and he like,

2597
02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:30.600
I think he just like just missed the gas station

2598
02:29:30.680 --> 02:29:32.159
when he realized this, and he's like, I got a

2599
02:29:32.159 --> 02:29:35.159
fine one and it's super it's like late at night too,

2600
02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:39.399
so his whatever says that. Then there's an open gas station,

2601
02:29:39.559 --> 02:29:42.559
like and it's pretty far away like the next one,

2602
02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:44.920
and he's like, I don't think I can even make that.

2603
02:29:45.440 --> 02:29:47.360
And then he looks off to the side and he

2604
02:29:47.440 --> 02:29:49.840
sees that at the next exit. I think it's a

2605
02:29:50.920 --> 02:29:53.879
let's see what it was. I think it was like

2606
02:29:53.920 --> 02:29:54.559
a speedway.

2607
02:29:55.719 --> 02:29:59.920
Well that would be ohio, I wish I could.

2608
02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:05.159
I wish my brain would just work a little bit. Yeah, speedway. Yeah, okay.

2609
02:30:05.600 --> 02:30:07.319
So he's like, yeah, he can see from the freeway

2610
02:30:07.360 --> 02:30:12.079
he's gonna get off. So he gets off. He he

2611
02:30:12.159 --> 02:30:15.799
tries to, you know, put his credit card in the thingy,

2612
02:30:16.399 --> 02:30:19.639
and it doesn't accept it for some reason, like you know,

2613
02:30:19.719 --> 02:30:21.360
have you ever had that happen where you like try

2614
02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:23.360
to swipe your card in a gas station it doesn't work.

2615
02:30:23.600 --> 02:30:25.799
So he's like, it's probably the pump. So he just

2616
02:30:25.840 --> 02:30:27.799
like goes in and he's like, can you just to

2617
02:30:27.920 --> 02:30:32.959
the uh, the the person at the the cashier, Sure,

2618
02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:36.520
the cash here, He says, can you just can you

2619
02:30:36.639 --> 02:30:38.879
do it here? And the guy tries to swipe his

2620
02:30:38.920 --> 02:30:41.840
card and it gets declined and he's like, okay, so

2621
02:30:41.879 --> 02:30:43.440
he's like, I can just pay with cash. No big

2622
02:30:43.479 --> 02:30:45.840
do So I guess he pumps and he goes back

2623
02:30:46.159 --> 02:30:48.239
to pay with cash or whatever. The hell. I don't

2624
02:30:48.280 --> 02:30:52.399
know how this works, and and he asked, and he

2625
02:30:52.479 --> 02:30:55.000
also sees like he also gets like a pack of cigarettes.

2626
02:30:55.399 --> 02:30:57.440
And the guy's like, I thought you were quitting. And

2627
02:30:57.479 --> 02:31:00.479
he's just like, why would he think that? Like I

2628
02:31:00.520 --> 02:31:02.600
don't know him.

2629
02:31:03.319 --> 02:31:06.399
I will say, that's a quip I would I would

2630
02:31:06.440 --> 02:31:08.799
do if somebody if I had to like hand people

2631
02:31:08.840 --> 02:31:10.360
packs of cigarettes for them to buy them.

2632
02:31:10.920 --> 02:31:14.000
Okay, well it doesn't matter. He just thought it. He

2633
02:31:14.040 --> 02:31:15.840
thought it was a little weird because he's like, you know,

2634
02:31:15.920 --> 02:31:17.920
I know a lot of people I hang out places

2635
02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:21.479
that's could happen. So he leaves, he goes home, everything's fine,

2636
02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:25.719
and then you know he I guess he routinely drives

2637
02:31:25.760 --> 02:31:29.079
that area every once in a while and he has

2638
02:31:29.200 --> 02:31:31.920
never seen that speedway again, Like he's always kind of

2639
02:31:31.959 --> 02:31:34.559
looking for it when he passes that area. Because I

2640
02:31:34.559 --> 02:31:36.520
think he had like I think the experience was just

2641
02:31:36.559 --> 02:31:39.120
really nice, Like he had a really nice time getting

2642
02:31:39.159 --> 02:31:41.559
gas there and the guy was really nice and everything.

2643
02:31:41.639 --> 02:31:44.040
So he's like, that's speedway, like saved my life. So

2644
02:31:44.079 --> 02:31:45.520
he's looking for it all the time and he never

2645
02:31:45.559 --> 02:31:49.399
sees it. So like I think, like this year or something,

2646
02:31:49.879 --> 02:31:53.680
he ends up moving to whatever that city is in Ohio, right,

2647
02:31:54.040 --> 02:31:56.719
and he ends up moving right by where that speedway

2648
02:31:56.719 --> 02:31:58.920
would have been, like right on that exit, and there's

2649
02:31:58.959 --> 02:32:01.799
not a speedway there. There's not anything.

2650
02:32:02.959 --> 02:32:03.719
There's a valero.

2651
02:32:07.559 --> 02:32:10.360
No, I actually there's not a speedway, but there is

2652
02:32:10.399 --> 02:32:13.840
something being constructed there, and he goes and finds out

2653
02:32:13.840 --> 02:32:14.719
that it's a speedway.

2654
02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:20.959
Well, okay, so I can give some insight being an

2655
02:32:20.959 --> 02:32:25.920
Ohio man. Okay, there are speedways being constructed literally just

2656
02:32:25.920 --> 02:32:26.680
about everything.

2657
02:32:26.760 --> 02:32:29.280
Okay. But but but he's saying that there wasn't a

2658
02:32:29.319 --> 02:32:31.799
speedway and now there's going to be one. And if

2659
02:32:31.840 --> 02:32:34.000
he's right, and he might not be right about the exit,

2660
02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:36.920
he could be wrong, but if he's right, maybe he

2661
02:32:37.000 --> 02:32:40.559
visited this this future and that's why his cards.

2662
02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:44.040
Yeah yeah, okay, No, I mean I get that, I

2663
02:32:44.079 --> 02:32:46.040
dig that. I just it's just funny to hear, Like

2664
02:32:46.280 --> 02:32:48.159
and I saw a place where speedway is being built,

2665
02:32:48.159 --> 02:32:49.360
It's like, yes, that's everywhere.

2666
02:32:49.520 --> 02:32:51.200
Yeah, I mean it was like it was like if

2667
02:32:51.239 --> 02:32:53.120
I saw wah wah being built, Like.

2668
02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:55.920
Yeah, although now it's sheets we're having, Like it feels

2669
02:32:55.920 --> 02:32:59.239
like a sheets is popping up everywhere over here. But no,

2670
02:32:59.360 --> 02:33:01.079
that that that that's a pretty creepy one. I mean,

2671
02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:03.760
like the idea of going to a you know, a

2672
02:33:03.799 --> 02:33:06.120
place where a gas station and seeing like a gas

2673
02:33:06.120 --> 02:33:09.079
station being built is very creepy. I feel like I

2674
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:12.600
watched a movie where something like that happened.

2675
02:33:14.079 --> 02:33:16.639
A gas station is being built, where.

2676
02:33:16.360 --> 02:33:18.120
Like somebody went to a place and then when they

2677
02:33:18.120 --> 02:33:20.559
came back, it was being built. Like it was like

2678
02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:24.920
a little time shifty thing. That's pretty creepy. I like that. Also,

2679
02:33:25.239 --> 02:33:27.239
if they were in Ohio and they were driving three

2680
02:33:27.239 --> 02:33:29.920
hours to home, that means they either live in Cincinnati

2681
02:33:30.000 --> 02:33:34.079
or Dayton and we're going to Cleveland or Akron or

2682
02:33:34.200 --> 02:33:38.959
vice versa, okay, because there's not much else unless they

2683
02:33:38.959 --> 02:33:42.879
were going to like hike out in south you know,

2684
02:33:43.079 --> 02:33:46.040
south east Ohio, because there's very little in southeast Ohio.

2685
02:33:47.399 --> 02:33:49.559
But yeah, if you're driving three hours. In Ohio, you're

2686
02:33:49.559 --> 02:33:51.879
pretty much going from one side to the other. You're

2687
02:33:51.920 --> 02:33:53.840
either going from the southwest to the northeast or from

2688
02:33:53.840 --> 02:33:57.120
the northeast to the southwest, because you can't go like

2689
02:33:57.120 --> 02:34:00.000
if you go to Toledo to Dayton or Cincinnati, that's

2690
02:34:00.079 --> 02:34:03.280
not three hours. If you're going from there to from

2691
02:34:03.399 --> 02:34:06.680
Toledo to Cleveland, that's still not even close to three eyes,

2692
02:34:06.680 --> 02:34:09.000
like two and a half at most, probably less. Yeah,

2693
02:34:09.079 --> 02:34:11.399
so it's probably coming from one side to the other.

2694
02:34:12.680 --> 02:34:19.159
That's my Ohio insight for today. Tang So, but thank

2695
02:34:19.200 --> 02:34:22.479
you Chell, and thank you seriously for doing the show

2696
02:34:22.479 --> 02:34:23.840
with me. It really doesn't mean a lot to me

2697
02:34:24.040 --> 02:34:26.079
to be able to sit down with you and laugh

2698
02:34:26.120 --> 02:34:30.600
about stupid, stupid, spooky, dumb news stuff and read about

2699
02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:34.680
Halloween candy, and you always put up with my weird everything,

2700
02:34:34.799 --> 02:34:35.680
so I appreciate it.

2701
02:34:36.239 --> 02:34:41.440
Okay, I didn't do anything, so oh okay, all right,

2702
02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:42.799
Well fine then, jeez.

2703
02:34:43.159 --> 02:34:45.319
But on that note, we're gonna we're gonna get out

2704
02:34:45.319 --> 02:34:47.879
of here and get ready to celebrate the remainder of

2705
02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:52.040
our spooky season. We hope yours is going wonderfully. Thank

2706
02:34:52.120 --> 02:34:54.040
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2707
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2713
02:35:12.559 --> 02:35:17.360
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2714
02:35:17.360 --> 02:35:19.760
Make sure you're subscribed because we have a brand new

2715
02:35:19.799 --> 02:35:23.639
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2716
02:35:23.799 --> 02:35:28.040
is back telling three scary scary stories. So thank you

2717
02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:31.520
all again. We'll see you next month. I cannot wait,

2718
02:35:31.600 --> 02:35:34.600
and Cell, go on, give us something spooky to wrap

2719
02:35:34.639 --> 02:35:44.879
it all up. Jax's too scary, too freaking scary. We

2720
02:35:44.920 --> 02:36:08.079
didn't even have a trigger warning.