Cutting Deep Into Horror | Hereditary - Family Sized Terror!

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Yeah, we'll just we'll have a
nice time. And uh, you know

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if you do, if you do
badly, the chupacabra will get you.

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Yeah, man, your grandma.
I was just thinking about my my,

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my stepdad, because he was like
he told me like the most bent version

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of La yar Rona where it was
like basically like La Rona had two little

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boys. It's like, okay,
because I'm the only kid here and I'm

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a little boy. And it was
like, the wind is her song,

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and if you get up in the
middle of the night, oh no,

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oh no, you'll think you're listening
to the wind, and then it'll turn

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out no, no, no,
it's her song. And once you hear

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her song, you have to go
to her. She loves little boys like

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you, and she will drown you. And I'm just sitting there, like

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eight years old, like completely mortified. So this podcast is about why horror

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scares us, what deep, dark, secret scary cinema shines a light on.

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The discussions are praying and involve conversations
about abuse, trauma, and mental

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health. There are awesome spoilers,
so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight razors because
this is cutting deep into horror.

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I am your co host, Enrique
Couto here with Salise. That's me.

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I'm salse and I am excited for
a number of reasons. Only if one

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is that someone is matching my love
of pink as Salsee is doing Lover.

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I mean my mics. I put
on my pink mic screen for you,

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but I already owned it, so
clearly I'm already a goner. I love

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it. Thank you for that.
Oh, you know, Danada, Danada.

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But uh, but so I discovered
Salise on YouTube because she does awesome

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horror movie content horror movie reviews,
and they really tickled me. And I

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mean, I mean I was.
I was just kind of surfing around and

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I saw your channel and I was
like, Okay, this is somebody I

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want to talk to about horror movies. Because what made me interested in this

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is I love the concept of the
jaded horror fan. But not not because

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I love the idea of being a
jaded horror fan, but because I find

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that most horror fans, even if
they think they're jaded, it turns out

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they're actually not. That they're actually
scared little kids just like me. I'm

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a massive horror movie fan. I've
been a horror movie fan my whole life,

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but I am a little scaredy cat. I'm a little baby when it

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comes to things that that release hear
me. I you know, I sit

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up at night watching a random horror
movie on Netflix. I'm like, this

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movie isn't even that good, And
then when it's over, I'm like,

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oh, man, I have to
go pee. But like I got a

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look behind the shower curtain first,
Like I don't know, man, Like

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is it worth the risk? What
if there is someone behind the shower curtain?

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So that's kind of my thing.
Yeah, And so with you.

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You've been a fan ever since I
heard on one of your streams, ever

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since there was a miscommunication about Chucky
when you were a little kid. Am

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I remembering that correctly? Yes?
For those who don't know, When I

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was a little baby, my aunt
was like, oh, what do you

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want like for your birthday? And
I was like, I want the new

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Chucky Rugrats movie, and uh she
was like okay. And I guess she

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must have went into this like video
store and said, oh, I want

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the Chucky movie, and whoever was
working I was like, oh, Child's

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play, got it, and I
guess like my aunt just didn't even look

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at it. She probably didn't even
realize and then she gave it to me,

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and I decided to watch it one
day when my mom was at work

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and I was just at home with
my brother at the time, and I

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put it in the VHS player and
I started playing and I was like,

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wow, this is a really long
commercial, like when is when are the

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Rugrats gonna come? And like,
at first I thought it was like a

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normal movie, and then there was
the moment where like the mom picks up

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Chucky and he's like, you stupid
bitch, you fucking whatever, and I

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was like, oh my god,
Like I just like didn't know what was

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going on, and then I got
really scared. I hit under a blanket

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because I was too scared to go
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And then I was crying and it
was pretty traumatizing. I was scared of

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Chucky for a really long time.
And now I'm a big fan, of

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course. Well, I mean,
nothing beats trauma for a good story,

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you know. Well, when I
was a kid, horror films were just

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not taboo in my household. Like
my mom wasn't a big horror fan,

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but she thought they were very amusing
and scary. And on top of that,

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my stepdad, who was who I
was mentioning, who's terrorized me?

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Layarna and stuff. He was from
Mexico and he had a very bombastic personality,

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and he also enjoyed surveys us and
when he had enough surveys us,

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he did not want to get up. He just wanted to watch TV.

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He was a contractor, he worked
very hard. And so the way I

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got exposed to horror movies that my
youngest was I was sitting between them on

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the couch. I'm like six five, I don't know exactly, but I'm

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like between them on the couch,
and I'm like getting kind of tired,

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and my mom's like, we should
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Rick, my stepdad, he's just
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want to get up, Like he's
fine, he's falling asleep. And she'd

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be like, but like this is
Saturday Nightmares. It's gonna show really scary

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stuff. And he'd be like,
he fall asleep, He'll fall asleep,

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it's fine. I did not fall
asleep. I would like sit there watching

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through my eyelids. Jason Voorhe's killing
people and stuff and just getting scared as

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hell. And that was really the
beginning. So whenever I think of horror

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movies, I think he'll fall asleep. It's fine, don't even worry about

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it. And then I'm like uh. And then when I got a little

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older, he was like, I
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knew you like this stuff. And
I was like, maybe I do now,

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fury response. But but so,
but Chucky always got to me a

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lot because I had the original my
Buddy Doll that that was based on,

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and I locked that son of a
bitch in my closet at night because I

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was very nervous. I mean I
used to put a chair against the door

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and everything. I feel like,
when I go to sleep, he's not

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my my buddy anymore. He's gonna
be a problem. Yeah it was.

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It was terrifying and h but a
really bizarre quick side note about Child's play.

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I hadn't seen the original and forever
because I was really into the cheesier

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ones, the later ones, even
two and three, but especially like Bride

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of Chucky and beyond, those are
always the ones i'd revisit, so I

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sat down like two or three years
ago, and I was like, I

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gotta watch Child's Play the original.
So I'm watching it and like the little

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boy makes his mom breakfast, and
I was like, Oh, this movie

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is very cozy to me because a
lot of my time I was all alone

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with my mom and and it just
kind of reminded me of being a kid,

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because I would like make toast for
her and stuff, and I was

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like, Oh, I feel cozy. And then I'd be like, oh,

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and his mom's just this little white
lady with blonde hair. My mom

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was a little white lady with blonde
hair. Oh oh. And then and

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then it was like, oh,
man, she's going to her job at

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the mall. My mom had a
job at the mall. And then somebody

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walks in this taren, can you
work for me? And I was like,

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no, no, she does not
have my mother's name. To this

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is ridiculous. I'm confused. How
did I not realize that amazing? It

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was like it was like a complete
mirror to my actual life, down to

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the freaking name. She was named
the same as my mother. So anyway,

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it's bizarre. But anyway, so
I wanted to I wanted to get

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to know you a little bit from
myself and for the audience before we talk

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about our first scariest movie ever.
And I challenged you to think of it

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because you I do not consider myself
a horror reviewer, per se. I

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consider myself more of like a horror
enthusiast. That's just kind of my weird

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that's a weird way of saying.
I'm a big old Pollyanna and I usually

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like everything. But so I wanted
to hear what movie scared you? Because

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you love movies, You watch movies, you think about movies, you write

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and talk about movies so well,
I mean, so it's like Kindred spirits,

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let's get scared together. So you
told me, and I was surprised

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and thrilled that you picked a movie
that was not even a decade old,

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because a lot of them, well
a lot of horror fans lean into the

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old stuff a little too much for
my taste. I mean, I love

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the old stuff, and obviously your
love of Jallo makes you a very unusual

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lover of really old stuff, and
I love that. I think that's one

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of the coolest things on your channel. When I was like, wait,

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wait, introduction to Jallo. I
am listening. I hope you learned a

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lot. I well, I actually
did, even though I'm already a Jallo

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fan. A lot of the Jallow
stuff I'm into. Like my favorite Jallo

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I think it's a Jallow is The
Psychic by Lucio Fulci. Oh. I

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haven't seen that one yet. It's
it's really good because the horror elements in

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it are so like knowing his work. After that, you're like, holy

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shit, it's all there. Like
the the extreme sudden violence, the obsession

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with certain body parts being destroyed,
stuff, it's all there. It was

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just subtle in the Psychic. It's
really cool. I'm a I'm a massive

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ful Chief fan. I could talk
about ful Chief for hours. But uh

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but anyway, so you brought up
You're one of your scariest movies ever was

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Hereditary. Yes, the twenty eighteen
film by Ari Astor, who has made

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made a big splash with this movie
and went on to do Midsummer and bo

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Is Afraid Um. And I was
not a huge fan of Midsummer personally.

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What did you think of Midsummer?
I love Midsummer really Yeah, it's good

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for her movie, it's good for
her for sure, but also because I

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just think, like Florence View is
a star, and oh she's amazing,

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Like that was her first like big
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Oh no, she's incredible. And
I want to make it clear.

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Very rarely when I don't love a
movie, do I hate it, like

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the Probably the reason I talk so
much about like what I thought of Midsummer

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is because I enjoyed so much of
it. Because when I really like a

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movie, I get more critical of
it because I think about it so much.

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Yeah, there was a lot to
like. But my biggest problem was,

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like in horror movies, I know, like you know, young white

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people are supposed to be dumb and
love to be murdered, but these people

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really just love being murdered the characters
in it yea, and white people.

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I'm returning to my buddy Dave.
When we were watching, I was like,

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man, why do white people love
cults that murder them so much?

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Like they're just so into it.
I don't understand this is true, but

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well someday we'll have to we'll go
down that road. I have a lot

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of thoughts on Midsummer, and i'd
love to hear yours. Oh, I

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would love to talk about it.
Yeah, we'll have to do that sometime

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because because I do find that movie
very scary without being super horrory. Um

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yeah, so, but but right
now we're talking all about Hereditary, which

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is, in my opinion, very
horrory. I intended to watch it right

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before this show by myself, but
I ran out of work week time.

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I just I work for myself and
I work all the freaking time. So

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I forced it upon all of my
friends on our Friday movie night. I

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was like, like, they're like, so, what are we watching?

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And my buddy Dad was like,
I brought a bunch of blue rays.

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I was like, well, hereditaries. First he was like what and I

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was like, we're watching it and
then he was like why and I was

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like because I want to and he
was like is this for work? And

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I was like you shut up.
So so, but my buddy Dave also

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was not a big fan of Hereditary
and liked it more watching it again.

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Wow. Yeah, I liked it
a lot more watching it again. So

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I my first dig into this would
be what did you think or like,

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what made you afraid when you watch
it? Because I know you said that

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there's some like that it's kind of
an odd reason you're afraid of it.

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Maybe was that what you hinted at
when we were texting about it. Maybe

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I don't remember. I might I
might have said it was like personal or

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something. Um. Okay. So
so the reason I picked this is because

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it's the last film I saw in
a theater that actually scared me. I

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really like, I feel like I'm
not really scared easily. Um. And

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I think it really is just like
how dreadful the movie is. The sense

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of dread is like seeping from the
minute it opens. Its thick. Yeah,

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it makes you feel disgusting, like
I'm just like, I don't know

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it. It's intense. Um.
And also I think like one of the

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scariest things about it is like like
generational trauma and like family issues and like

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parental issues. So for me,
that's that's kind of why I was like,

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this is the one. Yeah.
Yeah, And I'll warn you ahead

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of time. I should have told
you this off, Mike, But I'm

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a I'm a horribly open book and
a very vulnerable person. So, um,

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you just have to say if you
need boundaries, because I will talk

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about just about any goddamn thing about
my life. So don't be afraid to

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be like, well, that's not
what I'm going to talk about, because

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I will, you know, I'll
be like, I'll tell you all kinds

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of stuff, like, uh,
I have a very close relative. I

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don't want to say specifically, but
I have a very close relative who is

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a paranoid schizophrenic. Oh, I
don't recommend it. It's not a good

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time, thank you. Well,
it's it's it's it's really hard because they

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hurt you and they don't even know
it. Right, And at Tony Collette's

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character's worst in Hereditary, she reminds
me so much of that relative, even

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though what Tony Collette is seeing appears
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Because with paranoid schizophrenics, even lies
that they are aware or lies become

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the truth in their brain, so
so they're adamant about lies, even if

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they benefit themselves. Like even if
they made something up specifically so that they

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could be write in an argument,
by the end of the argument, they

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didn't make it up. In their
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and it's impossible to argue with that. To go in circles of that,

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and the way she was acting especially
toward her son, Like that whole scene

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where her son believed she was trying
to pull his head off when he was

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having that nightmare. The way she's
like, I didn't do that, It's

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like, did you not do that? Or did you do that? But

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now you don't, now you didn't. Like it scared the crap at I

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mean, And that was actually the
scariest thing the first time I watched it,

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when I didn't know how it was
going to wrap up, I was

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like, is Tony Collette just absolutely
and like desperately needs serious help because she's

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so crazy. And I'm not trying
to use crazy in a derogatory way crazy,

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Like I feel terrible for her,
Like you can't be living a productive,

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happy life if you were that insane. Like it's a very sad and

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scary thing. And I actually made
a film called called Wigi Room that came

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out a few years ago, and
it was kind of loosely based on that.

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It was about a guy who as
a sister it's the only family has

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and she has autism and agoraphobia.
And but the problem is when she freaks

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out, she hurts herself like really
bad. She'll like bash herself in the

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head because she was told no and
stuff like that. And the horror of

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the movie is realizing I can't take
care of her, like this is beyond

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what I'm capable of. So do
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to me, that's real horror, the

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horror of being an adult and making
just decisions like that and feeling like,

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you know, the adults in your
life had no problem making hard decisions,

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but now here we are, we're
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a trench coat, you know,
like we never grew up. You know,

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we never grew up. And uh, so that's something that's that's really

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scared me. The movie has all
this dread and it's all about loss and

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what happens when you lose a loved
one. When you lose with a family

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members, you think about the family
members that are still there. So they

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lose their grandma right at the beginning, and then all of a sudden,

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it's like now you know, and
then they lose their daughter. Uh,

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spoilers are going to happen. The
movie's a little older, and that's an

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incredibly unexpected moment. Yeah, she's
well, how did you react when when

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the daughter died. When you saw
it the first time, that is one

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of the best scenes I think I've
ever seen, like in a horror movie.

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Yeah, and I'm not even trying
to like kiss Ariaser's ass or anything,

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but like it's done so like effectively
because it's like you really don't see

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it coming at all. Yeah,
even like when you watch it again,

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you're kind of like like you're still
like, oh shit. So um yeah,

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I really I really liked it.
And also I think like just the

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way the way it's shot and like
how when her when she gets decapitated.

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Um, the brother is just like
in shock and you're just on his face

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and he just has the single tear
and then he drives away slowly. Yeah,

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it's like and I love that he
goes home and just goes to bed

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because it's like brain can't do this, So brain not going to you know,

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right right. I think that's so
true. Like if you're not used

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to dealing with traumatic, violent things
like that, then you can't. You

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know. It's not like he was
an X Navy seal. He's just a

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sixteen year old kid. He was
trying to smoke some weed and hope,

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hopefully get a very disappointing hand job, and instead, you know, he

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loses his sister. The whole thing
was so fucked up. And then like

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oh, when like he wakes up
in morning, I mean, here's his

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mother starts screaming, yeah, oh
my god, Like I just love that.

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We just hear the screaming for like
a while until we see her later.

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It's so affected. Her screams,
first of all, are like gut

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wretching. Yes. Yeah, Tony
Collette owns that movie. I mean,

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she's so good in it, unbelievably
good. And talk about I mean the

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sequence, well we're getting a little
hut of herself. But the sequence where

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she says like I never wanted to
be your mother to her son. I

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believed her. Yeah, And I
mean that as a compliment, but also

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like, damn it all I have
that hurt my feelings. The other things.

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So, speaking of the decapitation of
the young girl, it's not done

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in a gorehound like hell yeah brother
kind of way. It subverts your expectations

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as you're watching the movie, if
you're a big horror fan or not,

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you're sitting there thinking like, oh
shit, she's gonna lose you know,

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she's gonna lose her head, and
then you're like, well, we're not

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gonna see much because it's a child. So then Ariaster's like a fuck you.

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So then the head gets wopped off, but then subverts your expectations even

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more because after it's revealed that,
you know, the headless body's just sitting

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in the car they smashed cut to
the head and it's already decayed massively.

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startling as anything, for sure, And

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it's just covered in flies and ants
and um, it's very desert, you

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know, the speed of things that
wrought in the desert. You know,

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the sun beats down and everything's hungry
because everything's dead in the desert. It

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was shot in Utah. I don't
know if you knew that. I was

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curious when I was watching it.
I didn't know that, Yeah, that's

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that's interesting. I would have assumed
New Mexico or Arizona. So when it

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said Utah, is like, well
that checks out. I mean, you

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know, Halloween four or five and
six were shot in Utah. Silent Deadly

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Knight was shot in Utah. So
yeah, Utah has a little film world

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there. So they shot it at
the Park City studios and surrounding areas.

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They sure the shot hereditary, But
I'm such a nerd for for trivia facts

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on movies because I'm all about how
the sausage is made, cutting deep into

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horror will be right back. So
so yeah, so So they're a family

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going through loss and then they go
through another horrible loss, and it's all

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because of normal things you do every
day, in my opinion, because the

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Sun wants to go to a party
so he can smoke weed and be around

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a girl he likes and to hang
out with his friends or whatever. He's

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it's like sixteen or seventeen. You
know, he's a kid and his mother

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wants him to take his sister because
he lies and says it's a school function

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because he doesn't want his mom to
say no. So she's like, take

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your sister. But the reason she
wants it to take her sister is she's

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special needs. She has emotional issues
and psychological issues. So she's like,

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take your sister, and he's like, I don't want to, Like does

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she want to go? And she's
like, just take your sister because she

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doesn't want to deal with his sister. You know, she wants a break

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herself. So both of them are
being very selfish, but in ways we

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all do all the time that are
no harm and it ends up being the

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most possible harm. Yes, it
really shows the human experience. Yeah,

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and that's the way any traumatic incident
is in life, is you're just living

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and then it happens. Yeah.
Um, I like to this day again

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lays an open book, but so
my like not trying to trauma dump.

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But my best friend committed suicide about
ten year ago. Oh I'm so sorry,

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thank you. No, it was
sucked, you know, it was.

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It was awful. But um,
I still remember where I was when

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I got the phone call. I
was. It was a Saturday night.

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I was sitting on the couch with
my then girlfriend and we were watching old

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wrestling videos from the nineties, and
I had just bought a pack of um

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black cherry flavored soda, like a
limited edition soda pop, and I was

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excited because I was like cracking up, and I was like, let's have

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some of the soda, because we
were both like freaking nerds and were like,

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you know about your age actually at
that time, and we just wanted

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to enjoy some fun soda and watch
silly stupid wrestling and then I got a

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phone call that made me collapse on
the ground. That's life, right,

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it is that that's how it goes. And I'm saying this only because it's

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the example I have of I was
having a perfectly good Saturday night, like

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any other Saturday night, and all
I had on my mind was black cherry

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soda pop. And then you know, an hour and a half later,

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I'm in a room with all of
my friends and we're all crying together because

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you don't you know, life is
like a life is what happens when you're

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making other plans, you know,
like right, it's very unexpected, exactly,

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and and I just that's the thing
that I keep thinking about in this

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movie that drives me insane. Is
he wanted to go to a party.

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His mom made him bring his sister
along. Oh what a pain in the

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butt it is. But whatever,
it'll work out. Okay, I don't

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hate my sister, but I'd really
rather not have her around. And then

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it's like anyway, an hour and
a half later, she has no head.

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Yeah, there's also so much like
guilt in this movie from like almost

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every character, like um because the
sun is definitely struggling with so much guilt

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because first of all, he's the
one at the party was like, oh,

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Charlie, go go eat the chocolate
cake. Yes, and that's the

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cake that had nuts in it,
and she has an allergy. Obviously he

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didn't know that, but like,
you know, there's that. And then

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the mom also is feeling a lot
of guilts because she kept pushing that she

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goes with him to the party.
So yeah, well, and her mother

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died and they had a fractured relationship. Yeah, so she felt like she

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didn't do enough for her mom.
All she really did was ship her off

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right, And that's a massive guilt
bomb too. That's the whole movie starts

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with guilt because she's because she The
worst part is before her daughter even dies,

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she's at like a place trying to
deal with loss, Like she's at

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a support group for people who've had
loved ones die before her daughter's gone.

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Like that's m Yeah, and you
know I feel bad for in the movie

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upon a second viewing, that I
never really thought about at all is the

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dad, Yeah, because he actually
well, first of all, he's like

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a traditional matriarch, our patriarch,
rather sorry patriarch. He's a stoic man

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because that's what everyone around him needs. And in our society and in most

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societies, men are pushed to be
stoic because most communities need that they need,

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like, oh my god, the
house is on fire. For somebody

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to be like that isn't good.
Let's leave out the front door right now.

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I do not get the I don't
get the privilege of screaming and crying.

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I have to get you all out. And I think that that's something

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that people don't really think about a
lot. But this poor guy, all

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he tries to do is keep the
family together and keep them happy through this,

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and he can't. And it's sometimes
it's so heartbreak when he's just trying

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to talk to Tony Collette and he's
just trying to be the anchor to reality,

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which just frustrates her. And I
can't blame her for feeling frustrated,

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like he doesn't take what she's saying
super duper serious because from his perspective,

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he's just trying to get the mortgage
paid. He's just trying to keep them

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in a house so that they have
the time to work through their problems.

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So I felt awful for him,
really, really awful for him, and

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I couldn't believe how powerful it was
that he like almost never got to be

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emotional, actually made me really emotional. Right, Yeah. The whole thing

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is really really rough. Like,
um, I think the dinner scene,

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like how he was trying to get
them to stop arguing. Yeah, it

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was really like he was so calm
throughout it. They're saying like the worst

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things doing. He's just like,
all right, I think that's good.

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I think we're done. Now,
We're done right now? Yeah. Yeah,

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it's like no, no, if
mom wants to say something to me,

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say it and then and then just
And I don't blame him the son

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for that either, because he feels
like a total piece of shit and he

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kind of wants his mom to be
like, you're a piece of shit so

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that he that he can cry it
out and then hopefully they can hopefully you

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know, repair from there. But
it just gets worse and worse and worse

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because of course she apparently has a
massive amount of resentment for her son,

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um, which is which is really
rough because like, um, I was

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not a planned baby, I mean
neither. I'm glad we can talk about

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that, all right, Hi,
five, I really related to that actually,

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which is why I was saying that
the movie is a little personal for

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me. Sure, sure, well, because like my mother, my mother

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had me in her early thirties.
Um so I was her second child,

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but I was nine or ten years
apart from my from my older sister,

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like I was, and with a
different man, you know, with a

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different father. So my mom meets
a guy, is attracted to him,

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and they start hanging it out,
and she gets pregnant and now it's like

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we got to have a kid.
And this dude's like a biker and like

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really rough around the edges. My
mother is at that point was a very

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prim and proper. She had a
corporate job. She was trying to get

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out of the life she'd been in
because she came from from rural poverty.

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So and rural poverty is just a
nightmare. Like when she tells me stories

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of how she grew up, it
sounds like she grew up in Somalia compared

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to the way life is in America
now. But you know, if my

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mother and I say this, would
love and I pray she's not listening to

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this. But when my mother not
because I have anything bad to say,

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I love my mother's my hero.
My mother taught me that if you don't

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like something, you can fix it, you can change it, you can

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kick everybody's ass until you're happy.
That's my mother. My mother is a

406
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:03.039
superhero. But if my mom a
little wine, I was an accident.

407
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.599
But if my mom is stone sober, no no no, no, no,

408
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.279
no no no, what are you
talking about? Like, no,

409
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:11.799
no, no, no no.
I wanted to have a little boy.

410
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:18.279
I want to have you. And
I feel bad for my mom because I

411
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.559
want her to be able to just
I'm not offended by the fact that I

412
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:26.279
was a whoopsie daisy, because I
love my mother and she loves me,

413
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.440
and I have no doubt that she
loves me, and you know, and

414
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:36.359
stuff like that. And my dad
was a nightmare, so that didn't last

415
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.119
long. My mom pieced out before
I was one year old, so you

416
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.279
know, and that's the hard thing
with parents, you know, is that

417
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.799
dichotomy. And I do feel like
my mom blames herself for having me,

418
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.480
for giving me a dad that sucked, and it's like it's like, yeah,

419
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:53.400
you gave me a dad that sucked, but you didn't know he was

420
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.400
gonna suck, and you were you
know, you gave me the best mom

421
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.119
ever. I don't want anyone else
to have raised me. So anyway,

422
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.640
See, it's getting really intensely personal. But that's why this movie is scary.

423
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.359
Get yeah, you know it's so
true though. It's true. And

424
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.200
and I think that the my audience
on Weekly Spooky you'll dig this because they

425
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.640
they listen to literature, you know, on on over the air. So

426
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.079
I think they're heady. I think
they're they're head a heady bunch. But

427
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.960
as much as you want to share, like what what kind of made you

428
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:29.519
identify with it, your experience being
an oopsie baby? Um so, um

429
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.440
so, my mom and I actually
do not have a good relationship. I'm

430
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:40.319
sorry to hear that. Thank you. Um yeah, definitely. Uh when

431
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:45.000
I could, I cut her out
of my life, just like no contact

432
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.839
kind of thing. Um so kind
of almost immediately, I guess I related

433
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:56.079
to Tony Collette in that way of
like having this very complicated relationship with her

434
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.359
mom. Also, like a thing
that my mom used to say was always

435
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.359
like and she wouldn't even like be
drunk, um, she would just be

436
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.680
like she'd be like, oh,
well, you know, I wasn't supposed

437
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.599
to have you you know, you
were you were a mistake, like you

438
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.319
were an accident. Um, and
like she would kind of say it like

439
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.720
that, and then like hours later, after realizing like, oh, that's

440
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.039
like a really shitty thing to say, she'd be like, oh, but

441
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.839
you know, I love you and
like I don't regret it. And it's

442
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.400
like, well, if you didn't, why do you bring it up all

443
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:37.680
the time like that. Yeah?
Yeah, um yeah, and her and

444
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:43.079
my dad they didn't work out.
Um, they're both a mess. But

445
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:49.559
uh yeah, but yeah, went
into show business. Sorry I was gonna

446
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.559
imagine that because you went into show
business, say, I get it completely.

447
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:58.319
Yeah, that's so true. Oh
my god. Yeah. And and

448
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.079
that's I mean, I feel like
psycho aology is as such a massive element

449
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.559
of horror. Um. So I
really appreciate you being this candid because most

450
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.160
of your contents pretty light and fun
and I love it. But I had

451
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.119
no doubt that there was a brain
in your head, you know, like,

452
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.640
because people who like to have fun
and like to laugh they think a

453
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.599
lot. That's why you know what
you think, what you find funny,

454
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.079
and that's when you know what you
find charming and enjoyable. So um,

455
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.000
I'm so sorry to hear that,
because I want to make it clear.

456
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.839
When my mom has a little bit
of wine, I just mean that she

457
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.799
gets real chill and then goes like, yeah, I didn't like I wasn't

458
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.200
thinking of doing that, but like
turned out great. So you know that's

459
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:37.920
my mom always said, like I
didn't want to have you. It's but

460
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.680
it was always just kind of a
you know, if she said she's like

461
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:44.039
no, no, no, no, no, wanted ten percent. And

462
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.799
then if she's a little a little
loopy, she'd be like, oh,

463
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.759
you know, like we just it
was just a little slip up. But

464
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.279
you know, life is like that. You never know when the good things

465
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.559
are coming, you know. So
she's never been a jerk to me.

466
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.519
She's always been you know, I'm
very fortunate because my dad is just is

467
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.160
just. I mean he disowned me
and and good riddance to bad rubbish.

468
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.079
I mean, uh, you know, sometimes the trash takes itself out,

469
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.440
yes, so um. But but
that being said, I know because my

470
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.199
family member I mentioned to a paranoid
schizophrenia, I had to do the like

471
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.360
no more contact, this is it
after years of trying to help. Yeah,

472
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:25.519
and that that hurt me so much. So I really get it though,

473
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.599
that how hard it would be.
Even if you're like, well it's

474
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.559
obvious I shouldn't deal with my mom
anymore, it still was a horrible decision

475
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.800
to come to. Oh yeah,
I mean, and I think also,

476
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.920
like another thing I relate to a
lot with Tony Latt is just like that

477
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.559
feeling of guilt all the time.
Yeah, oh like maybe this is all

478
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.280
my faults and like whatever. So
yeah, because it's a really hard decision,

479
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.079
especially if it's your pairing, you
know what I mean, it's like,

480
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:55.360
oh yeah, okay, but I
had to, and it's like I

481
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.159
feel a lot better. Yeah,
it's coming up two years is almost oh

482
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.960
wow, Okay, yeah yeah,
but I feel a lot better, and

483
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:12.639
like I don't know, it's it's
really rough when like they're incredibly like abusive

484
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.559
and they don't think they are,
Like that's the thing. They just like

485
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:22.320
don't think that they are abusive,
very narcissistic and like just one thing people,

486
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.360
One thing I wish people would talk
about more is abusive people like you're

487
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.480
not to them, you're not their
victim, you're their drug. They need

488
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.639
to keep abusing you. It's it's
really important to them, and all they

489
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.880
see it as is a desire,
and it's easy to mistake that desire for

490
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.760
love. It's easy to mistake that
desire for compassion and care. But in

491
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.159
reality, you just need another fix
of arguing and fighting and putting them down

492
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.800
and whatever it is that you do. And I feel like I wish people

493
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.760
talked about that element of abuse a
lot more because I see it every time

494
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.880
I see anybody being a use.
If it's like they need you so bad,

495
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:07.280
they desperately need you in their from
their subconscious, you're their fix,

496
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.280
it's actually it actually is an attack
on them that you want to get away.

497
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.440
Oh I'm trying to hurt them,
right, especially especially narcissistic people.

498
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.400
M Oh yeah, that's like yeah, yeah, yeah, once they like

499
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.400
lose that for a while, she
was trying everything in her power to like

500
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.440
get in contact with me, like
all kinds of things, and I just

501
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.320
like was like, oh, that's
gonna happen. So I'm in control of

502
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:39.199
my own life. So, so
you mentioned that you identified with Tony Collette's

503
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:45.800
character very much. Yeah, how
did you feel when it got turned on

504
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.400
its head and then it turned out
she was also being a very difficult mother

505
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.159
or becoming a very difficult mother like
her mother in the movie. How did

506
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:59.320
that? What did that make you
feel? That just felt very sad,

507
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:07.039
just that I can't relate to personally, but I do feel like that is

508
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.679
a thing that does happen to people
that have been, you know, abused

509
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.079
by parents, or you know,
have some childhood trauma and whatnot. It's

510
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:23.280
very easy to fall into the cycle
and not break the cycle. This is

511
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:29.119
really hard to watch, sure well. And Tony Collette's character, so she's

512
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.360
wound so tight to be a better
mom than her mom that she's actually a

513
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.320
really difficult mom. Yeah, that's
what makes it works. You know,

514
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:45.159
it's sad. This is this is
a film that really it drags you through

515
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.119
the dirt by your hair, and
every now and then it stops just long

516
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.960
enough to kick you in the ribs
before it starts pulling you some more.

517
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.159
Yeah, you know, it's like
it's like it maybe maybe it lets you

518
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.480
take a drag out of a water
bottle too. It's like a little bit

519
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:00.800
more water and then you're like,
oh thanks. It's like, oh,

520
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:02.760
I just want you to live through
this, And you're like, oh man,

521
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.280
I just want you to suffer all
the way through. It's a wild

522
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.679
like what a hell of a first
feature film? Yeah. Well, and

523
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.840
and uh, if you watched did
you see bows Afraid? I did?

524
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:25.400
Ari Astor has mom issues that I
can't even begin to comprehend. Um do

525
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:31.119
he does? Actually, I think
that's why I like him a lot.

526
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.000
I could see that. I could
totally see that. And uh yeah,

527
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.599
I I really I really can.
And man, hereditary, that's the thing.

528
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.039
And I'm so glad you picked this
because it was exactly you unintentionally did

529
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.800
what I hoped, which was you
surprised me. And uh, you know,

530
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.519
because like if the next scariest movie
you pick is like one with really

531
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.559
good jump scares, I'm not going
to be disappointed, because that's scary too.

532
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.480
It's just, you know, existential
dread is scary, and then cats

533
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.840
jumping out when you're not expecting it
is scary. It's it's all valid,

534
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:08.480
it's all it's all that same lizard
brain reaction. Um it's just a it's

535
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.719
just on a spectrum, I suppose. Um so. But and that's the

536
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:19.800
other thing. So, speaking of
Ariaster's problems with moms, the fact that

537
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.079
the movie turns out to all be
focused on the little boy, on the

538
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:28.320
little boy, but you know the
sun that says a lot about why the

539
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.920
title is hereditary, right, because
it's like, Oh, all the women

540
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.599
around you are just here to put
you in this really fucked up position.

541
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:44.639
That's that's what they all exist for. Every female influence is just so that

542
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:51.320
you wind up in the very very
insane ending cutting deep into horror, will

543
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:59.039
be right back. I don't know, you know, I obviously I don't

544
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.639
agree with the um the point I
feel like it was making about that,

545
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.480
but I can respect the artistry of
how how it says it, and I

546
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.639
don't think it's harmful or anything.
It's just like, to me, women

547
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.760
always lifted me up as a little
boy, Like women were always the people

548
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.719
who were like the badasses that really
made stuff happen, and a lot of

549
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.079
times the men were kind of transient
to me. Um, I've always had

550
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:29.000
trouble connecting with men as opposed to
women. Yeah, but reversed or exactly

551
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.159
the same. No, Like I
have a really hard time connecting with men.

552
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.920
Okay, I don't know. I
also have daddy issues, So it's

553
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.960
all across the board for me.
Oh man, you just checking every box

554
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:51.639
you can. Yes, wait till
you start hearing about my mental illness only

555
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.199
one? Well then I got you, I got you beat. If it's

556
00:40:54.239 --> 00:41:00.400
just one, give me a break
this amateur hour. Come on, um,

557
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.800
we'll get there. Oh yeah yeah, um well and that's actually a

558
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.840
mental illness is a really that's a
really good segue because the movie kind of

559
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.599
I don't I won't say it gaslights
us the audience, but the movie gaslights

560
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:20.320
the characters in a way. Um
I I the first time I watched this

561
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.440
movie, all I kept thinking was
is everybody insane in the same way because

562
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:32.599
they're related? Or is something actually
happening like and And that was the scariest

563
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.880
part for me was that I was
like, crap, is this just welcome

564
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.280
to your inheritance? You're a whaka
do You're gonna have a really hard life

565
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.119
and it's not even your fault?
Or or is it you know something deeper?

566
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.079
And again spoilers in case you're you
know, this is a deep dive

567
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.519
kids. Um the ending where it
turns out there is a cult following them

568
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.920
around. That's what made me not
like the movie that much the first time

569
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.480
I watched it, Not because it
was bad, but because me personally,

570
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.239
I would have found if it had
been just his in his brain, I

571
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.039
would have been way terrified of that. That would have been the scarier ending

572
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.880
for me personally. It doesn't mean
the ending is not good. And I

573
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.960
actually liked it a lot more a
second viewing, even though I knew it

574
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.159
was coming, which is not normal
for me. Um. But yeah,

575
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.039
when I watched it the second time, I was like, oh, okay,

576
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.320
actually, you know it's it's it
is still terrifying, you know,

577
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.760
because the other side is like,
what if you're positive you're insane? But

578
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.039
no, no, no, no, people are actually just following you,

579
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.400
um everywhere because they want something from
you, something you could never imagine,

580
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.000
something HP Lovecraft couldn't imagine. Is
your fate. This is all the grandmother's

581
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.920
fault. I'm say, yeah,
no, damn dam fucked the family overheard,

582
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.760
man, um girl, I Pop
was on some shit. I fear

583
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.519
yeah, no really like, uh, although I'm envious you know that that

584
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.320
he got from his grandmother inheriting being
you know, basically a gun odd to

585
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.760
a cult and all all my grandmother
that died, all she left me was

586
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:12.519
like some racist memories through God.
Yeah, try being the only Hispanic person

587
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.760
in your entire family that's around you, and half the family doesn't care.

588
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.840
It's totally okay, No, it's
not even a thing. They're just like

589
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:25.000
whatever. And then a few actors
just kind of you're not the favorite because

590
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.239
your name has a queue in it
and shit like what's wrong with you?

591
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.440
Um? And I don't think I
don't even think it was um intentional.

592
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.800
I think it was I think it
was subconscious. I think it was just

593
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:45.559
like this little brown haired thing is
looking at me again. But um uh

594
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.840
but no so uh but with with
me? Like my mental illnesses are mostly

595
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:57.440
depression and severe eye of severe anxiety. Like it's it's stupid how bad my

596
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.000
anxiety is. Um. Whenever people
ask me, like, how do you

597
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.920
run your company, as you know, mostly by yourself, I always say,

598
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.800
well, you know, hard work
and an under medicated anxiety disorder.

599
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:15.440
It really keeps you on the details. You know. If I get a

600
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.519
text message at six thirty in the
morning that like the podcast feed hasn't updated,

601
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.400
I hop out of bed and run
to my desk and fix it.

602
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.920
And if I'm lucky, I can
go back to sleep for another hour.

603
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.280
It's that's just who I am.
I can't help it. And I have

604
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.280
a beautiful imposter syndrome because I'm successful
in a field that I was always told

605
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.960
was impossible, and not just by
mean people, by like people who were

606
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.079
trying to help by being realistic.
They were like, you know, there's

607
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.199
no way you're gonna work in film
for a living, not in Ohio,

608
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.079
And I was like, Okay,
well I'm just going to try anyway.

609
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.599
So I'll also have those moments where
I'm like, well, I better work

610
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.119
every minute of every day. I'm
on borrowed time. This shouldn't have even

611
00:44:53.199 --> 00:45:06.800
happened. Oh no, so so
sorry. Do you ever you ever laugh

612
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.039
at something just because of the sheer
honesty of it, Like that's why I'm

613
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.119
laughing. I'm like, wow,
I didn't even process that through my head.

614
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.639
I just I just vomited that out, you know. But uh so

615
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.360
yeah. With with me, the
thing that fed my anxiety disorder and hereditary

616
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.800
was the fact that the idea that
you can't trust your mother, the idea

617
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.800
that like your mother hates you now, the idea that and the idea that

618
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:34.159
Tony Collette was like, you're smirking
at me all the time you're doing this,

619
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.719
you're doing this, I resent you
to her, to her son,

620
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.880
I was like, oh yeah,
paranoia is like is like you know,

621
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.679
if anxiety is cocaine, paranoia is
fentanyl. Uh yeah, so it really

622
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.400
makes you crazy and it's but it's
not They're alike. Being paranoid and being

623
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.920
and being constantly anxious and nervous is
similar. It's just one is hopefully less

624
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.360
harmful to yourself and people around you. So that was where I kind of

625
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.679
identified, Um, if you want
to share your baggage, I would love

626
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.639
to stop talking. First, goodness, gracious, my audience is getting to

627
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:17.960
know me so well, Uh what
were we talking about? We were talking

628
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:23.239
about the how how like my personal
mental illness made me feel for the characters.

629
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:29.360
Oh okay, yeah, um,
yes, I also have like really

630
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:35.119
bad anxiety. I think it's very
obvious the more someone talks to me.

631
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.119
I think, like the minute you
meet me, you're like, oh,

632
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:45.039
um, I did not think,
oh when when when you came up on

633
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:52.639
this good at masking. But I
do have a lot of anxiety. But

634
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.440
um, yeah, I mean I
have a lot of depression too, just

635
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:04.159
like yeah, there was a lot
like the I think specifically, like the

636
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:12.599
dinner scene in the movie was like
the most anxiety I ever felt, just

637
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.559
because I was like, oh no, like I think I relate to this

638
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:20.199
too much, Like yeah, well, there's that moment where you're like,

639
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.800
I totally see, I totally get
this. Oh shit, what does that

640
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.400
say about me? That? Like, um, when she's yelling at him

641
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.480
and she's like, I don't I
get is that fucking face on your face?

642
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.800
And I'm like, I been there, been there. That line was

643
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.599
perfect because that face on your face
is not good writing, except it's great

644
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:49.639
writing exactly because it's true. It's
yeah, it's from a true place.

645
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.639
It is. Yeah. Man,
way to pick the most abusive possible movie.

646
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.519
I love it. You're You're,
You're, You're in my good group

647
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.400
right now. And I'm not being
funny like I've been no because it's wolf

648
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:04.920
no, because usually I'm the one
that people are like, why do you

649
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.639
pick the saddest things or why do
you pick the weirdest things? Like I

650
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.119
do my Buddies podcast this Week in
Geek. I pop on there every now

651
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.320
and then, and what they do
is this thing that's like it simulates like

652
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.960
being a three video store clerks and
you just pick, you know, older

653
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.559
movies, and we all talk about
them. Everybody brings a movie to it,

654
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.880
and every time I bring something that
they've never heard of or that's really

655
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.840
sad usually never heard of, Like
it'll be like, oh, we're gonna

656
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.960
do nine to seven six Evil and
we're gonna do you know this other horror

657
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.840
movie and I'm like, okay,
I'm doing Assault of the Party Nerds like

658
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.280
I've never heard of that. I'm
like, i'll send you a copy because

659
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.840
it's out of print. But we're
all watching it and they're like, oh

660
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:45.840
man, I'm like, don't ever
give me choices. So I'm that I'm

661
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.599
the wild card, but in ways
nobody expects half the time. So but

662
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.679
I also want to say, you
know, you made a really good point

663
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.679
when it comes to anxiety, Like
you feel like the reason you're funny and

664
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.920
charming is because you're just good at
ma asking it. Yeah, and I

665
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.800
don't steal your shine. The reason
you're funny and charming is because you're funny

666
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.880
and charming. It's not because you
you're hiding your anxiety. It's because that's

667
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.440
the person you actually would like to
be, and that's the person you are

668
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.679
when the anxiety is not at the
forefront. So um, it's okay,

669
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.559
I do. I do the same
thing. I'll put myself down. I'll

670
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.920
be like, yeah, I do
okay at times and it's like, why

671
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.920
am I doing that to myself?
Like I have I have humble brag that,

672
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.079
like I have success beyond my wildest
dreams, and I still don't.

673
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:37.119
Yeah, granted my dreams are very
realistic, but but like, but I'll

674
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.559
still like do that to myself,
like one of the reasons. And maybe

675
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.280
this affects you. I don't know
your entire like creative history. But I

676
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:52.559
didn't want to go on medication because
I believed that it would make me less

677
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:57.280
creative. I feel like I've heard
a lot of people say that, Like

678
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.760
you know, they're nervous about that. And that comes from believing that what

679
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.079
you have, the skill, you
have, the specialness inside you is so

680
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:09.760
freaking delicate that if you change anything
about yourself, even for the better,

681
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:15.400
it's just gonna vaporize, right as
if we're not a sum total of all

682
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:22.719
of our experiences and a little zoloft
won't hurt and and I and I can

683
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.480
say this with anger and gusto because
I'm talking to me like I'm not even

684
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.840
talking to another person. That's just
I'm on. Well, Utren, that

685
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.880
made my tummy feel weird, so
I had to try something else. Oh

686
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.559
no, uh uh it wasn't that
bad. I mean, you know,

687
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.119
but it was enough that I was
like, you know, I'm gonna something

688
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:50.159
else please so but uh and good
on you for for taking your care into

689
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.480
your own hands, because it's important. It matters you know that you that

690
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:58.760
you wake up every day and can
first tolerate and then like your life is

691
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:04.360
really important. Um. And and
that's why we watch horror movies. You

692
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:09.199
know. We want to feel these
dark things as as as as twisted as

693
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.920
it is. We want to feel
these things. We want them to be

694
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:20.599
in our minds. Yes, we're
weird and I love that, you know.

695
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.800
I love that Moniker, I am
a weird person. I'm an unusual

696
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.639
dooter, you know. And uh
and if somebody were to say you're weird,

697
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.400
I'd be like, yes, but
you forgot handsome. It's a list.

698
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.880
I always say that horror movies for
me, Um, they're a way

699
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:47.760
I can experience like my deep feelings
and my deepest fears in a safe space.

700
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.920
Yes, absolutely. Do you do
you when you watch horror movies?

701
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:54.360
Do you like to challenge yourself?
Do you like to watch stuff that you

702
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.679
know is going to fuck you up? I do see, and I'm the

703
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:04.400
same way. Yeah, I will
watch something just like. First of all,

704
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.760
I don't believe in hype when it
comes to like things that are disturbing.

705
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.760
So a good example is Cannibal Holocaust. Oh I hate that movie.

706
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:21.199
See. I love that movie because
it's phenomenal storytelling. It's a it's a

707
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.920
it's a it's a well made film. Not because all the shock stuff and

708
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.440
all the like band in thirty one
countries. That's all hype. Yeah.

709
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.239
But when people say like it's a
rite of passage movie, I'm like,

710
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.280
no, it's just a really good
movie of that era. It has a

711
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.079
lot to say about the media.
It has a lot to say about art.

712
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:45.880
It has a lot to say about
um, about white people and white

713
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.400
savior complexes. It has all of
that going on. And Ruggiero Dadado when

714
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.079
he made that film, he had
just gotten out of a television job and

715
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.239
he hated television because he felt like
everything you do is propaganda, even if

716
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.079
you try not to. And that's
why you made that movie. And when

717
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:06.639
I heard that, I was like, oh my god. I that was

718
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.840
the message I got from the film
was that you know that you can't help

719
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.159
it. So but I think that
that movie is often maligned as as like

720
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.000
a you know, a Faces of
Death or although Faces of Death is not

721
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.519
that bad, but like the sequels, which were just like compilations of death

722
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.199
footage, like it's not that it's
a it's a story, it is a

723
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:30.039
it's a part of its history.
I abhor the animal killings. They make

724
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:36.239
me very uncomfortable, but they are
there to do that. In the era

725
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.840
that it was made, the animal
killings, which were real, were meant

726
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:45.920
to establish authenticity and make your stomach
turn a little bit. We're very different

727
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:52.159
four years later now. It is
absolutely traumatizing because we're so far from the

728
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:58.320
farm. Now, you know,
we're so far from meat now that seeing

729
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.039
any animal die, even if we
big Max every day, is very unpleasant.

730
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.639
Yes, so um, and I
could I could, Uh, you

731
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.239
see, I should do uh because
you did like introduction. I should have

732
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:15.719
an introduction to cannibal movies. I
I I've studied everything about like how they

733
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.039
happened and why and stuff. But
anyway, oh wow, that's really interesting.

734
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:23.599
I would watch that. Actually,
it's it's a fascinating topic. Italian

735
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:29.639
cinema's fascinating because you owe all of
your favorite Italian movies to Mussolini. If

736
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.559
he had never been, uh,
the dictator of Italy, you wouldn't have

737
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:38.840
all the movies you like. So, but I'll leave that out because I

738
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.960
like the tangents we're going on as
long as they don't go on, like,

739
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.280
if I go on emotional tangents,
it's good. If I go on

740
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.519
nerd tangents too long, we're just
not on topic anyway. But but so,

741
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.639
uh gosh, um but no.
So my point is that, yeah,

742
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.920
I love a movie that challenges me. Um so. And I actually

743
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.800
showed a friend Cannibal Holocaust recently.
I I said, like, watch it

744
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:04.159
for a film telling a story.
And at the end of it, she

745
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.400
was like, why did I love
that? And I was like, yeah,

746
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:09.199
yeah, why did you love that? And she's like, well,

747
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.280
the the animals dying was discussing.
I was like, yes, it was.

748
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.079
And they were not good people doing
that either, Like, yeah,

749
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.320
the turtle is the one, you
know, because they like mutilate the turtle

750
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.760
and it's it's And honestly, it
made me a little less sick because I

751
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:27.480
grew up and we would catch snapping
turtles and eat them. So it was

752
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.400
still stomach churning, but I was
also like, I know what's inside a

753
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.000
turtle shell because we've done that.
What was disturbing to me was the lack

754
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.960
of respect that they had for the
turtle. But those people weren't heroes that

755
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.119
movie. The reason they did that
was that those people were pieces of shit,

756
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.719
and it was like, here's these
pieces of shit on camera. They're

757
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.440
like, we love nature and we
respect it and we appreciate being elite this

758
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.239
turtle. And then when they when
they don't think they're being filmed, they're

759
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.639
like, ha ha, look at
the dumb turtle. I'm cutting it up

760
00:55:53.679 --> 00:56:00.840
into bits because it's funny those people. So anyway, I know Digression City,

761
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.159
USA, so um no. But
I love hearing that you like to

762
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.119
challenge yourself because I think that if
you have the stomach for it, it's

763
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:14.280
it's a really important thing. It
makes you a wiser and more empathetic person.

764
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.840
And I chose yeah, and I
chose to say empathetic instead of stronger.

765
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.079
Because I don't think it's about strength. Um. I think empathy is

766
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:27.480
strength. If you can empathize with
something, that means you're understanding it.

767
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.000
If you're understanding something, then it's
not hard to bear like it was most

768
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.840
of the time. Sometimes it's really
hard. Sometimes you empathize so much you're

769
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.360
like, I can't believe the amount
of pain you're going through. Um,

770
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.000
because I know it. So Oh
my god, I think I might just

771
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.599
die too. I might just go
lay down and die. Um. You

772
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:47.199
know that's the that's the all the
way side of it. But so uh,

773
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.679
to kind of bring it somewhat to
a close. Um, are there

774
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.239
any takes in hereditary that you've always
that you've always thought that you don't know

775
00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:02.039
if if they were intentional or not. Any takes about about why things happen

776
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:07.239
the way they do, Like I'll
give you an example like upon a second

777
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:13.840
viewing Tony Collette making houses like and
making dioramas like perfect models as her job

778
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.000
as an artist, told me that
what she really wants is to build things

779
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:24.519
perfectly. And that's why she is
kind of a hard mom, because she

780
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:28.639
doesn't see things as they are.
She sees them as they should be.

781
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.559
You know what, that makes a
lot of sense, especially like when the

782
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:40.840
dad walks in of and he sees
her like recreating the accident and he's like,

783
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.679
what are you doing? Like,
imagine how Peter is going to feel

784
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:47.880
like when he sees this and she's
like, what do you mean? This

785
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:55.559
is not about him, This is
just how the accident looked. Yeah,

786
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:59.599
And to me, that was a
massive thing about her because she had always

787
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.639
done things, she had always seen
things through an artistic gaze, and now

788
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.840
she was seeing them just dead ass
reel Like she went from escaping to being

789
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:15.000
inescapable. You know, she she
has to make a diorama of her daughter's

790
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.760
death. Why because she has to. It's just what she does and it's

791
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:25.159
not for anybody else to see,
but people are gonna see. Like Yeah,

792
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.559
And that was a take I didn't
have before, was that. Tony

793
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:34.679
Collette's art is a lot about her
damage, you know, she she I

794
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:38.440
think I feel like she understands things
by building them. That's a really good

795
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.800
no. I'm glad he said.
It's a good way to look at that

796
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:46.039
and never thought shit like that,
cutting deep into horror will be right back.

797
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.880
I try, I try to think
about again, it's with empathy,

798
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:57.719
like I try to think about like
I create lots of art from pain,

799
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.400
and and I'm not subtle, Like
I have no subtlety in me. I

800
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.360
mean, I know, by the
way I dress and everything, you would

801
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.719
assume like this is a very subtle
young man. But but no, no,

802
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.360
I'm not. And so subtlety is
not my strength. But I love

803
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.480
subtlety when others do it. I
think subtlety is fascinating. And I love

804
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:21.440
the idea that I can sit and
and and poke and proud and needle at

805
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.119
hereditary at like one scene I liked
for as long as I want. It's

806
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:29.840
just a treat for me, I
can I can do that. And and

807
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.800
I don't mean that to sound um
conceited or whatever. I do this about

808
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.760
Terminator too. I love Terminator too. It's one of my favorite movies since

809
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.679
I was a child. And I'll
sit and think about certain scenes to be

810
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.639
like, I think this scene meant
this and and uh, and I'll think

811
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:47.840
about it for hours, you know, days, or my whole life,

812
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:52.760
And to this day I'm like,
um, Like, you know why I

813
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.320
love Terminator too. I think it's
because there's a it's a woman trying to

814
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.480
protect her son because he believes he's
the future. So it's about every mother

815
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.239
but uh so, but yeah,
so I just was wondering if there was

816
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:09.119
anything you picked up on that kind
of affected you like that. Another one

817
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:14.599
I have thought about was the sun
Um. He even though he likes that

818
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:20.440
girl, he hates when she looks
at him, like when like, if

819
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.159
he spots her looking at him and
looking away, it like feeds his fear

820
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.320
that maybe women, or at least
anybody is just always watching him when he

821
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.960
doesn't know, and he doesn't like
that. He can stare at her all

822
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.199
day long. But but the moment
that he catches her turning her head away,

823
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.679
he doesn't think, yeah, she
digs me. He thinks, what

824
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.719
does she want? Because that's the
reality he actually lives in. He doesn't

825
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:52.000
even realize it, right. I
guess that upon this rewatch. One thing

826
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:58.840
that I noticed that I guess I
didn't pick up on before is um.

827
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:06.920
At the beginning, Charlie is talking
to her mom and basically says that like,

828
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.719
oh, like Grandma wanted me to
be a boy. Oh yeah,

829
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:21.840
And then it's like it seems like
Peter is almost like the forgotten child like

830
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.199
nobody cares. And I feel like
that that even shows at the end because

831
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:31.159
it's like they just wanted Charlie just
in a male body. Yeah no,

832
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:37.119
it totally. He's like a consolation
prize. Yeah yeah, and he always

833
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.440
felt that way. He didn't even
realize its part. Yeah no, And

834
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:45.280
it is and and and then it
turns out that like he's been so afraid

835
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:49.559
of living life for other people,
you know, of of like having to

836
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.880
do what his mom says, having
to do you know, what anybody says.

837
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:54.079
You know, he has that that
the defiance streak and the end of

838
01:01:54.079 --> 01:02:01.760
the movie is absolute compliance. Yeah, it's a complete better nightmare. Uh

839
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:07.519
and uh wow, my blood just
got hot, Like I just felt my

840
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:13.599
arm get warm because it's so good
and so intense and it's and it's probably

841
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.199
well thought out, but who knows. I don't know if you believe us.

842
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:20.320
I'm a believer that the writer's intent
doesn't and director's intent doesn't really matter.

843
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.599
Once the movie's out, then it's
up to us, right once arts

844
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:27.559
with people. So one last question
I want to run you through before we

845
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.400
before we wrap up this episode.
Very happy with how it's going. I

846
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.599
love that we're talking deep and heavy, because I think that that's important.

847
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.119
And I think that, um,
horror movies, Thank goodness, they're getting

848
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:44.239
a little bit more respect and dignity
than they used to. But then,

849
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.559
but then, and this actually is
a perfect segue. I didn't even intend.

850
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:51.400
But then you have movies like Hereditary, which was one of the first

851
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:58.400
films to cause the elevated horror movement, right it was The Witch and this

852
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:02.360
and maybe a couple other ones I'm
forgetting at this exact moment. Yes,

853
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.280
Yes, the Babba Duke is a
good example. Yeah, and I love

854
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.000
The Babba Duke by the way,
Um, I find that I find that

855
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.920
movie terrifying. I almost picked that
one for Yeah, it was between those

856
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:17.360
two. Remember I was telling you
that, like I was just struggling.

857
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.599
Well, there's always the next time, because like Bob a Duke is a

858
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.199
great film. I just rewatched it
because it was on Joe Bob's last drive

859
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:30.719
than recently. Um, and I
enjoyed his commentary because he loves that movie,

860
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:35.000
um and had a lot of cool
takes on it. Um. But

861
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.840
that's another one, that mental illness
horror. That's a really good one.

862
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:44.760
Uh No more thinking about Oh so
with with this elevated horror concept um.

863
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.639
Speaking of Joe Bob, Joe Bob
said, when asked what do you think

864
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.880
of elevated horror, he said,
I think that people who say elevated horror

865
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.800
are people who don't like horror movies, and that's what they want to just

866
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.800
they used to describe the horror movies
they do like, like because they don't

867
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.920
want to be horror fans. They
don't want to to say that they don't.

868
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.760
They don't want to be in the
same camp as the guy who is

869
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.480
like, yeah, I'm just I'm
just hanging out here watching Sleepaway Camp two

870
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.320
for the eighteenth time. You know, there's a lot of a lot of

871
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.480
tits in blood in there, you
know, and it's like, um no,

872
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:18.800
I'm more into the the horrors of
the human experience. It's like,

873
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.519
oh yeah, brother, I saw
a hereditary in theater like six times.

874
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.400
It's like, ah, but I'm
not you, you know, like there's

875
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.480
a little bit of snobbery, not
in everybody, but I feel like it's

876
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.320
kind of like a horror movie.
The moment it's up for an oscar,

877
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:36.920
it becomes a thriller. Magically,
it just becomes a thriller, very true

878
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.400
Blacks one. Yeah, And it's
like, what is the difference between a

879
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.519
horror movie and a thriller? I
really don't know there there really isn't I

880
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.800
guess. I guess a horror movie
is a little bit more horrific, but

881
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.559
not really a thriller. In a
horror movie, they're just the same thing.

882
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:59.199
It's meant to elicit scare and suspense
and fear. Um. You know,

883
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.559
the best placed watch independent horror if
you want to see like well funded

884
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:06.599
independent horror right now is the Lifetime
channel. Most of their there, they

885
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:15.119
have all of the trashy, crazy, wild thrillers or on Lifetime. I

886
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.559
haven't watched Lifetime in many, many
years. Oh dude, they started doing

887
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:23.280
they started doing this new thing where
where at the beginning of the Christmas season

888
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.639
they do Christmas thrillers instead of just
straight Christmas movies at the start. That's

889
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.440
amazing. Oh my god, they're
so good. I mean they're not good,

890
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:34.360
but they're so good. Oh I
have to watch them. Oh my

891
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.719
god. No. Actually, to
go off on a small tangent, please

892
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.000
please. So I went to acting
school. I went to a conservatory for

893
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:47.559
two years and when I first got
into the school. Like one of my

894
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.320
teachers was like, okay, so, like, what's like something you really

895
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:56.400
want to do, like in acting? And I used to be a big

896
01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:00.400
like a Lifetime girlie, and I
was like, I need to be the

897
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.800
crazy bitch in a Lifetime movie that
throws the other girl down the stairs,

898
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:08.320
Like I need to be like I
need to be in one of these movies.

899
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.760
And to that teacher, I remained
like the Lifetime girl. But I

900
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.719
used to love Lifetime. So that
just made me think of that. Oh

901
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.559
no, no. When I when
I have a big cigar smoker, and

902
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:21.360
when I hang out at the cigar
lounge, they have like flat screen TVs

903
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.480
everywhere, you know, you can
watch whatever you want. And if you

904
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.679
get there when nobody's really there,
like a self employed person going there at

905
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.960
one pm when like nobody is really
shopping. Um, I immediately turned the

906
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.800
TVs to Lifetime. And people are
always like who put this on Lifetime?

907
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.320
When they when they come in to
smoke their cigar, and I'm like me,

908
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.239
and this one's really good. I
need to find out if she's gonna

909
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.639
stick with him or not, because
I think he's bad news. You know,

910
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.719
Oh that's great. I don't believe
in guilty pleasures. I only believe

911
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:56.599
in pleasures, so I don't agree
with that actually, but it really is

912
01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.800
an incredible it's an incredible thing off
the air. I'll talk to you about

913
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.079
Like, if you're like me,
uh, because you're a younger millennial.

914
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:08.000
I'm an elder millennial. Um,
if you're like me, you probably don't

915
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.599
have cable. I'll tell you how
I get him, not not illegally,

916
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.119
but it's just like, why would
I plug a service that doesn't plug me.

917
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.559
Um. That's also why I stopped
watching because I don't have cables exactly

918
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.880
because it does. I mean,
like, I'm thirty seven. Yeah,

919
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.760
I had cable for one year when
they did the thing where it was like,

920
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.960
oh, it's ten dollars more for
all the cable channels in my Internet

921
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.360
for the first year, and they
were like yeah. And then I only

922
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.280
watched it Christmas time for Hallmark and
then and then when it was time to

923
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.000
re up, I was like,
oh, no, cancel, cancel it

924
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:40.480
please, like it's not working for
me. Um. So uh to wrap

925
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.760
it up. UM. The ending
where it turns out that he is basically

926
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.039
a manifestation or has become the manifestation
of a god of a demon of sorts

927
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:54.719
um Pimon, which I apparently is
in the Bible or is biblical in some

928
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.639
way. I've heard that, but
I didn't do any research ahead of time,

929
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.679
because um, my dog is really
cute and I wanted to pet it

930
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:08.679
um time. But um, but
what did you What did you think the

931
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.960
first time you watched it when it
was revealed that there really was this cult

932
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:19.439
and that his grandma had kind of
started the dominoes of him becoming Pimon for

933
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:25.520
all these people, Like what went
through your head? Um? I was

934
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.800
like very confused, Like when I
first watched it, I don't know why.

935
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:30.560
I just like didn't see it going
in this direction. Like I was

936
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:35.359
just like, oh, okay,
like they're really here, Like all these

937
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:42.199
old naked people are really here.
We're praising came in like okay, Um

938
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:47.640
yeah, I mean now I I
like it more, just because I think

939
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:55.680
it's so dark and so like ichy
that this like grandmother had this like plan

940
01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:02.319
for grandchildren and her daughter for years
and it's like it's just gross. But

941
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.079
um, yeah, I don't know. I don't really have too much deep

942
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.199
thoughts on it. Oh, that's
I'll say, Well, I didn't really

943
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:12.920
know what payment was, so I
had to look it up after. Oh

944
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.079
yeah, no, I did too. I did too. And uh and

945
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.640
actually I actually found out that it
was a real thing because I have a

946
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:24.560
buddy who's like one of that rare
breed that he's like a very devout Christian

947
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.199
and a big lover of horror movies. So he was like, I found

948
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.119
it really interesting that I never see
any movies talk about that, about pymon

949
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.359
So or Paymon or however you say. He was like, I thought that

950
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.119
was really interesting. I was like, huh, you always bring me something

951
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:39.359
I don't know, you know,
because uh, you know, yeah it

952
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:44.680
is. It's super is and uh
and it's okay to not have like a

953
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.800
million theories and stuff. You're you
know, you're you're figuring out what I

954
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.560
like to talk about about movies on
this This is we're really folks. We're

955
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:54.960
really sniffing each other out. That's
what this really is. We're just we're

956
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:59.279
just trying to make sure that we
can talk about movies together, um,

957
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.279
without hating each other. Um that
would be nice, it would it would

958
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:08.880
be, But uh No, for
me, it was like the more I

959
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:10.920
think about it, the more I
think. I mean, first of all,

960
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.319
I was disturbed and then a little
bummed out that it was actually supernatural.

961
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.479
That's just me um. But again
that was my personal opinion because I

962
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:24.479
wanted it to be real so it
would scare me more. But now when

963
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.359
I look at it, it all
started with the grandma dying. So the

964
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:32.159
grandma was not willing to have her
head cut off and be murdered to to

965
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.000
summon Piemon. She was like,
no, we're planning this. And then

966
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:39.520
when I die, y'all dig up
my body and cut off my head and

967
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.479
then start the ritual, which means
that she's like, all right, well

968
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.239
I'm not I'm not feeling too good. Good luck women in my family.

969
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.920
And then she dies, so she
sets her family up to be And I

970
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:56.159
can't say, because we don't meet
her, ever, I can't say that

971
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.520
it's a hateful thing. She may
think that it's good for them, that

972
01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:00.760
like, it's a privilege for them
to be the sacrifices that bring pime On

973
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:05.279
back. Probably does. I feel
like most of the cult people think it's

974
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:11.079
a good thing. Oh yeah,
yeah, oh they would you know the

975
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:16.079
power, Yes, And they wanted
Charlie to be the boy that got it,

976
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:21.880
but Charlie did the disservice of being
born a woman. How rude,

977
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:28.439
very rude. Right. But so
that's the other thing. I do think

978
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.359
that the more I think about it, the more Hereditary. Such a good

979
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.399
name for this movie, because it's
all about the bullshit that got passed down

980
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:40.720
to you that had nothing to do
with you. Correct, absolutely, yeah,

981
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:45.399
yeah, exactly. And and you
know, I like I my family's

982
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.359
you know, kind of there's not
an asload of generational trauma, thank goodness.

983
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:54.279
But you know, my family came
here, uh my father's side came

984
01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:59.000
here from Portugal in uh in the
nineteen fifties, I believe it was or

985
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.640
the end of the forties, and
came from like terrifying poverty. My family

986
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:08.600
was from little tiny villages. Um. You know where the median income today

987
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:13.439
is like fifteen grand Like it's it's
they're insanely poor, right. And my

988
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:16.720
grandpa joined the navy. He killed
some folks, um because it was during

989
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:21.439
Vietnam, and the Navy actually fought
in Vietnam, like with guns because of

990
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:26.319
the riverboats, um, which I
didn't know until I thought about it,

991
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.399
And oh shit, there are a
lot of rivers in Vietnam, and my

992
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:33.159
grandpa basically killed to get my family
established in this country so that we could

993
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:38.640
have a better life. I mean, he fought and killed so that we

994
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:44.479
could be accepted, which is insane. Um. My family also, and

995
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.600
maybe maybe you dig this, maybe
you don't because you're from Brooklyn, right,

996
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.760
I'm from Queen's originally a Queens.
Oh my god, I'm so sorry

997
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:59.520
Queens. I'll never say that again. But so you're from Queens. So

998
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.640
I'm from Dayton, Ohio, which
is the Paris of Ohio. Yes,

999
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:08.560
but that's just the thing i'd say. But um, there aren't a lot

1000
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.479
of Hispanics here. There are a
lot now, but they were not in

1001
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.880
eighty six, eighty seven, eighty
eight when I was growing up, because

1002
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:19.960
born in eighty six, there weren't
a lot of Hispanics here. And my

1003
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:26.520
father's side of the family anglicized heavily
because that was what you did. So,

1004
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.319
like all of the I almost started
naming my father and his siblings.

1005
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:34.520
That's not wise, um, as
if you can't find them with my unusual

1006
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:39.159
as hell last name. But um, they're all you know, marks and

1007
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:44.920
Stacy's and stuff that's their first names
and and that because it was like that

1008
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.279
was the era. The era was
you you join in and kind of homogenize

1009
01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:53.399
with everybody. That's supposed to be
a good thing. Um, I'm named

1010
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:56.680
after my grandfather. He was Enrique. I'm Enrique, you know. Um

1011
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.159
he went by Rick his whole his
whole life, he went by Rim.

1012
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.479
That's that's just who he is,
you know, he went by Rick.

1013
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:10.920
Um. I actually insisted on going
by my name. But I actually,

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because I grew up in the middlest
I was called Henrick because it was just

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a reading of my name in English, which is not I don't consider hateful.

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It just is what it is.
And actually I only started using the

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pronunciation Enrique recently because one day I
realized, oh my god, when I'm

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01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:30.520
at McDonald's, I have to explain
to the lady to not say Enrique because

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01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:35.159
Hispanic culture is so established in our
country. Now, why am I now

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01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:39.680
correcting people to not say Henrique or
Enrique or how you know? Like,

1021
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:45.000
why am I correcting them to say
Henrick? Now most of them say Henrique

1022
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.279
and then I correct them to the
it's But it's just a part of getting

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01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.119
older. You know and kind of
seeing how our culture is changing. And

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01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:56.520
I know you have Salis, which
I'm sure people had a field day saying,

1025
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:03.039
yes, lots of a different pronunciation
celeus sealas, Celeste, that's a

1026
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:13.640
completely different name. But okay,
hein Rick Hendrick Hendricks. Those were the

1027
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.000
ones that. Oh and and then
people, can I call you Hank?

1028
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.680
And I'd be like, can I
call you? Asshole? Like, no,

1029
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:23.720
you can't call me Hank. That's
not my name. Yeah, who

1030
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.279
are you to say that I'm going
to be called Hank? Now? Yeah?

1031
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:29.920
Well, and I grew up with
a nickname. Everybody called me Ricky

1032
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:31.680
because I will and they had.
So this is where it got tricky.

1033
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.039
My stepfather, who's from Mexico,
who is the other reason I grew up

1034
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:41.359
with such a Hispanic life, because
we like I could pass. They could

1035
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:42.840
be like, oh, this is
Ricky and it'd be like, oh,

1036
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.199
that's a little a little white boy. But my stepdad was Enrique Ortiz,

1037
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:50.119
and he was a dark skinned Mexican
man and uh, and so people knew

1038
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.760
that there was something up, something
south of the border about these people,

1039
01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:59.159
you know, and uh, but
he was Enrique as well, with no

1040
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:03.520
age, so he was Rick and
I was little Rick or a little Ricky,

1041
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:08.159
you know, to separate us.
And I hated being called little Rick

1042
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.359
because I was like, he's not
my dad, you know. I was

1043
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.840
like little did I know? Yeah, but he shows up every day I

1044
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.920
did. There was too much of
a brat. Um. But I'm getting

1045
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.079
I'm getting a long winded uh.
And I don't remember my point exactly,

1046
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:25.640
but um, but I'm glad that
people mostly say your name right. Hopefully

1047
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:31.520
now they do. I guess good
sometimes yeah, so, uh are both

1048
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.560
of your parents Puerto Rican or Um? Okay, oh wow, look at

1049
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.560
you. I don't know why I
say look at you. It doesn't matter.

1050
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.680
Um. My favorite thing about about
being Hispanic, but then my my

1051
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.239
stepfather being a different type of Hispanic, and then and then living in the

1052
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.840
ghetto. We grew up in like
really rough areas. I grew up in

1053
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.560
really rough areas. And uh,
it was so funny because you have like

1054
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.520
this like white couple be like oh
because they see like my little blonde,

1055
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.560
white mama and then this very dark
skinned Mexican guy and then this little brown

1056
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:02.600
hair boy running around being a menace
and uh, and they'd be like,

1057
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:04.880
oh, great, and we'd be
like, yeah, whatever, we don't

1058
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:06.720
have to be your friend. And
then we go upstairs and they'd be a

1059
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:10.920
black couple. They'd be like,
oh great and be like bullshit, this

1060
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:15.840
is bullshit. Nobody likes that were
mixed. Uh, And then we just

1061
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.000
didn't care because Rick was the toughest
s ob He would just be like,

1062
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:20.239
who cares what they think? They're
ugly, That's what he would say.

1063
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:24.560
Like he would just say stuff like
that. Oh um, so anyway,

1064
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:26.720
I'm getting carried away. Also,
don't get to talk to a lot of

1065
01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:30.039
other Hispanic people about growing up Hispanic, so it can be it can be

1066
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:35.600
a little uh exciting. It was
a bonus when I was like, I

1067
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:40.760
was like, oh, Puerto Rican, okay, because being Portuguese, people

1068
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:44.880
often think I said Puerto Rican.
So they're like, well, just like

1069
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:46.239
not in a mean way. They'll
just be like because you're Puerto Rican,

1070
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:50.159
right, and I'm like Portuguese and
I'm like close except like six thousand miles

1071
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:57.720
anyway. Um, but uh,
I really appreciate you sitting down and talking

1072
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:01.159
about this and being willing to get
so deep into it. Of course a

1073
01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:12.520
great time. I hope this doesn't
ruin your self proclaimed bimbo status. Most

1074
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:17.079
bimbos are actually really smart. We're
taking that word back, damn right anyone?

1075
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:24.199
Yeah, And I want to mention
your YouTube channel, which is phenomenal

1076
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.760
and I really want people to go
check it out if they like YouTube horror

1077
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:32.560
content and funny stuff. Is Sweet
and Spooky on YouTube and and if you

1078
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:38.279
search sweet nd spooky on social media, they'll find you. It'll be linked

1079
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:41.760
in the show notes. And I
look forward to hopefully we'll do this again

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01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.600
very soon. Yes, I hope. So more trauma for us. Oh

1081
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.479
no, well yeah, maybe we
should just call it Trauma the podcast.

1082
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:54.479
But no, we'll be back.
We'll be talking about other films that scared

1083
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:59.199
the ever loving shied out of us. But until next time, I've been

1084
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:04.199
Enrique Kuta, I am Salise,
Sweet Spooky, your girl, your girl,

1085
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:10.560
and we'll catch you next time.
Thank you for listening to Cutting Deep

1086
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.840
into Horror. If you'd like to
email and Regae or Salez and suggest a

1087
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:19.600
film or topic, send it to
Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. Now

1088
01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:26.760
and Regae would like to thank our
Patreon backers Bobletopia dot com, Megan Hua,

1089
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.920
Julia Kirsh Brent mccaullough, Gino Lions, Steve King, Karen Weemett,

1090
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:38.720
Jack Kerr and Craig Cohen. See
you next time. Until then, don't

1091
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:44.399
be afraid of the dark or do. You are an adult and can do

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01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:45.640
what you want.