Cutting Deep Into Horror | Barbarian (2022)

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So do you like the new place? I feel like I got a pretty

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good deal. Well, a few
notes. There's a lot of cages.

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Yes, yes, there are several
cages and they didn't cost a penny extra.

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Well that's good. Do you want
to explain the room with a camera?

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And I'm a filmmaker, so a
free camera room was a huge benefit,

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I suppose. So it's really dark
down here, but the acoustics are

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exquisite. I can't argue with that. Why is there a why is there

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a staircase going down into blackness?
Well? I mean, what is it

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going to get brighter the deeper into
earth? You go? You sound crazy

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right now? Maybe a little bit. But let's change the subject tonight.

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We're going to talk about Barbarian.
Oh good, a scary movie for a

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change. Yeah, and it's completely
unrelated to this. So why don't you

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take off? Who get comfortable and
let's see what time is it? Yeah,

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in about fifteen minutes, they'll be
a breastfeeding. This podcast is about

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why horror scares us, what deep, dark, secret scary cinema shines a

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light on. The discussions are praying
and involve conversations about abuse, trauma,

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and mental health. There are awesome
spoilers, so keep that in mind too.

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Now, sharp and your machetes and
straight razors, because this is cutting

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deep into horror. Hello, my
friends, and welcome back to Cutting Deep

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into horror. I'm, of course
Enrique Kuto, your main maniac, I

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suppose, and I'm here once again
with my good friend and horror movie lover

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who is still getting her education.
You're like a what's that called when you're

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in college and you're You're like,
you're an undergrad. Yeah, yeah,

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undergrad. So you're like getting ready
to start your masters. Yeah, not

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quite there yet, not there,
but you'll be there in no time flat,

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especially with your help. Yeah.
Well, I mean, I don't

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mean to brag, but Rachel Ordolphie
here with me today. So and this

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one that we're gonna be talking about
today tonight. Whatever is the film from

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two thousand and twenty two, Barbarian, And this was one you wanted to

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talk about. I mean, I
mean, obviously I liked the film because

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I took you to see it in
the theater. And not only did I

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take you to see it, but
it was my second time seeing it in

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the theater. I walked out of
Barbarian and was like, ah, man,

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I have to share this. Yeah, a sap. Yeah. I

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think it was what two or three
days later, it was like that following

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Monday or something like that. I
mean we still go to the movies on

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Mondays mostly so and yeah, I
just had to show it to you.

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So, for those who don't know
Barbarian, which came out in theaters in

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twenty twenty two, it's a horror
film and thriller written and directed by Zach

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Craiger, and this is his first
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He had been a co writer and
a co i'd maybe a co director.

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I'll double check that in a second. But so this film, I mean,

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really it sets the tone for quite
a career for Zach. I have

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to say, but the trailers,
I don't did you see the trailers?

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Did you see the marketing stuff?
Know? I did see some of the

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trailers, and that's why when you
took me to see it. And we'll

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get more into this, but the
movie does a really good job of just

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totally misleading you. And I think
part of that had to do with the

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marketing, because it gave you the
sense that it was going to be really

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more of like a trapped in a
house with like a with like a normal,

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average, every day serial killer.
The marketing misleads you as much as

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the film itself does. So we
went in and I had absolutely no expectations

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and or my expectations were completely the
wrong expectations, definitely, and that's what

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really caught my imagination with us as
I feel like the director did such a

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good job of not telling you what
the movie was about until it's got its

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hooks in you. I would definitely
agree. The trailers made it look like

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girl meets boy through odd circumstances involving
an Airbnb mishap, an app mishap,

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a misshapp if you will and we
will, Yeah, we will, you

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spend you spend way too much time
around me, but anyway, so that's

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what the film kind of comes off
as. And of course the fact that

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they cast what's his name, the
scars Guard, one of the scars Guards.

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There's like, yeah, there's how
many are there? I don't know

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anymore, but this one's Bill scars
Guard and he was, you know now

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is most famous for playing penny Wise, the dancing clown in it chapter one.

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In chapter two, so the moment
you see Scars. Well, first,

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all the Scars guards look like they're
like politely waiting to kill you.

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Yeah yeah, but yeah politely Oh
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their turn or whatever. They're like, oh, I'm sorry, you're even

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finished eating, please, and then
they'll just like they're just holding them machetti

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watching you eat. You know,
they're very polite murderers. But but no.

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So with him being the guy at
the house and the way that the

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trailer makes it look, it makes
it seem like something nefarious is going on.

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But it also gives this vibe that
it's going to be unexpected, like

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you're going to get something you're not
expecting. So my first instinct watching the

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trailer, and I saw it a
good five or ten times because the film

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was pushed back from release a few
times, which means that as me an

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avid theater goer, I saw the
trailer again and again and again. And

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it's important to remember that when you
see movies, horror movies or whatever.

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You're going to see trailers for horror
movies. It's just good marketing. Yeah,

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you know, these are the people
who would want to see barbarians,

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so show them the Barbarian trailer.
So with that all in mind, that's

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kind of to me. I thought
that maybe the big the big twist would

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be that scars Guard was the victim
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be the perpetrator. That was kind
of what I thought. But then they

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put shots in the trailer that out
of context, really confuse you, like

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the caves. Yeah, and then
they had if I remember correctly, and

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one of the trailers they had the
woman like going through a cave. And

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then they showed the house in the
night, like nineteen sixties era, you

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know, where all the colors were
super bright stuff, and I remember thinking

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like is there a portal or something
like did they go back in time?

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Is this gonna be a time bender? Like I had no idea. Yeah,

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So they definitely made it in a
good way. They really kept you

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from forming too many expectations, And
I think that's a good idea. But

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also it's a good idea when you
have a movie that's really gripping. Yes,

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because I went to see Barbarian and
most of my friends weren't even that

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curious, but the film got phenomenal, phenomenal word of mouth. Yeah,

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and that's what made it a theatrical
success and not necessarily a giant theatrical success

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either, like let me see Oh
no, no, it was a giant

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theatrical success. Well, the budget
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million dollars, which is more than
I got on me. But it made

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forty five million in the box office. Oh that isn't very good success.

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That's a very good success. But
to give context, like Renfield came out

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this year in twenty twenty three.
It was a forty five million dollars budget.

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It did sixteen million in the theater
out. So not only did it

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bomb, but if they could have
culled it down to the price of a

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you know, lower tier Blumhouse movie, it could have been a success.

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Yeah, but it wasn't because it
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the Last Voyage of the Demeter out. Now. I haven't seen it yet,

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but I'll be going this week to
see it, and if it's awesome,

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I'll take you to see it.
I love that, but it looks

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awesome. It's a movie about the
boat that brings Dracula to where the events

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of Dracula happen. Yeah, you
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Yeah, except I guess in the
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demeter. It's just that in the
most famous movie versions, we never got

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that. And it's produced and distributed
by Universal. The Home of Dracula,

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The Home of the Wolf, the
Home of Frankenstein. But so was Renfield

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Dracula movie. You see where I'm
going. Yeah, the demeter cost about

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I think they said thirty five million
dollars. I think were forty million dollars.

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And I think last I checked opening
weekend at seven and all I can

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think is really And I'll get off
this topic in a second. But for

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those who don't know, I mean, my business is movies. You know,

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some people who listen to this podcast
don't realize that that's my day job.

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I work in film now, low
budget film, but film nonetheless,

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And watch the Purge two Anarchy,
I think that one was. Watch that

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film. That film costs twelve million
dollars. It's a huge movie, really

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entertaining action packed, tons of effects, tons of thrills, did super well.

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Why can't a movie about Dracula that
doesn't even leave a goddamn boat be

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ten million dollars so that it could
have a chance to be a success.

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I mean that is, do you
want to take it up with the studio

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exacts or a well it is their
goddamn fault. Well, no, I

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absolutely agree. Every time somebody makes
a huge move in the business, in

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the industry, and this does actually
tie back into what the conversations about,

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but every time somebody does something incredible
quote unquote reinventing the wheel, like Jason

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Blum at Blumhouse did For those who
don't know, I mean, they started

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with parallel activity than all those sequels, than The Purge, than the They

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didn't do the Conjuring, but they
did an insidious I believe, and a

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ton of these films, so many
franchises, and then they relaunched Halloween and

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Halloween Kills and Halloween Ends, and
I love those, but they kept them

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relatively cheap, even Halloween Ends and
stuff. I think they didn't spend forty

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mill, which is surprising because that
was such a big deal and they were

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huge hits. All of them made
a lot of money, but they were

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like, let's be easy on this, because like when they did the Purge,

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I believe the first Purge movie costs
like seven mill. And then they

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capped off at like fourteen and never
really went up ever again. And I

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was like, that's how you do
it. But my point is whenever people

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are like wow, like Blumhouse is
reinventing the wheel, or wow, like

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this studio is reinventing the wheel,
all they're doing is being fiscally responsible to

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reinvent all the story is always the
same. So then they made a movie

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for very little money and it made
a bunch of money. It's almost like

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being very conservative with your money ends
up being a good move in the long

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run. It's almost like in a
land of the blind, the band with

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one eye can release a film that
will do well. You know. That's

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that's really because like Sony has done
a lot of movies that are very similar

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in Blumhousy, Like, yeah,
they're they're high concept movies and most of

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them bomb, but they also cost
like twenty thirty million dollars. What do

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you expect? Yeah, Like,
you're competing with companies that will release a

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movie and if it makes thirty million
dollars, they won. Yeah, and

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then you're like, Okay, we're
gonna start losing and see what happens.

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My point really is just that Hollywood
is so unbelievably, unbelievably fiscally irresponsible.

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It's kind of like when I went
into this business full time and I was

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working commercials, and I couldn't believe
how much of the battle was being on

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time and sober. Those are two
very difficult things to do, especially at

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once. That's true. My buddy
Georgeio, George Rob he has a podcast,

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Geologic podcasting musician. He's a gig
drummer, you know, he plays

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for a funk band and stuff.
And when he went full time as a

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drummer, he told me, he
was like, I could not believe how

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I would never not be hired that
When I showed up my first time sober

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and on time, that was all
it took. And I was like,

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and he was like, man,
other drummers they set that bar low.

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So anyway, But my point to
get to all of that, to my

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main point to all of this is
so now we have Barbarian made. It

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made an I can't remember exactly when
they filmed it. I'll look that up

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in a second, but I believe
it was film pre pandemic and then it

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was held over. That would make
sense, which would make sense because you

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know, a lot of stuff had
to be held over for the sake of

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the product, you know, the
production, so that people would actually get

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to watch it. So, but
it was produced by Regency Enterprises almost never

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Films, Hammerstone Studios, a bunch
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by twentieth Century Studios. Disney,
Oh, I mean that's an imprint of

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Disney, but Disney nonetheless, So
that technically means that she is a Disney

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princess. That's absolutely what it means. But so, but my point being

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that, so that movie was a
huge success, and it costs like five

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million dollars and it made forty five
million dollars. Now I'm not a math

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scientist, I am not a math
surgeon. But that's a good return.

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And the secret sauce is you risk
more creatively and less financially. And that's

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what I'm trying to get to is
that's why it does. I'm not going

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to consider this tirade completely off course
because that's what Barbarian did and did well.

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Yes, it was highly creative,
highly imaginative, extremely interesting, never

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boring, and truly disturbing. Yeah. Yeah, And I want to mention

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Zach Craiger has done some other stuff. He's been an actor in a lot

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of films, and he wrote in
television a lot, including being an associate

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producer on The Lounge, Uncle Morty's
Dub Shack, The McCarthy's Wrecked, Adam

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Ruins Everything. But I won't hold
that against him. And as a filmmaker,

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he was the director co director on
Miss March, which I think I

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saw it was like a raunchy comedy. The Civil War on drugs, Barbarian

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and now the upcoming Weapons, which
I haven't heard anything about yet, but

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I'm positive he has a big movie
coming because this success is so massive.

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So now that I've made so much
ado. Oh, and he was a

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member of the people of the comedy
troupe The Whitest Kids. You know really,

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Oh man, they were fun.
Yeah. I lived in New York

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at the time and they used to
hit on a girl I was dating,

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And so I don't like them.
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not that big a deal, I
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So my point is we've got Barbarian, And if you've not watched Barbarian,

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the opening of the show warns you
that we spoil yep a lot in fact,

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all of it. Spoil all of
it as best we can. We

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spoil all of it all day long, every day. Yeah. So,

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Barbarian is a film about a young
woman who is going to her airbnb in

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Detroit, Michigan. And for those
who don't know, Detroit is a rough

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town. Yeah, it's say so, high crime rate, but also high

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unemployment rate, high poverty rate.
There are lots of homes sitting completely empty

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and dilapidated in Detroit. Yeah,
and she gets there in the middle of

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the night and it's pouring rain,
of course, because why wouldn't it.

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And we've been here, you and
I, Yeah, we had an airbnb.

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Actually, the opening scene of the
film reminds me completely of that experience

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when we went to the Joe Bob
Jamboree. Right, So, why don't

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you talk a little bit of it. I've been talking a lot, Okay,

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So we went to the Joe Bob
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outside of Lee Highton exactly. And
so we had actually we went to

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the jamboree at the Mahoning Drive in
first, which was its own magical experience

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that I'm sure we'll eventually get a
chance to talk about Yeah. Absolutely,

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a screen so big you can see
it from two miles away. Just let

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that sink in a one thousand car
capacity drive in and we could see the

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screen from the Walmart parking lot on
top of a hill two miles away.

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It was amazing. So you know, obviously we'd go. We have fun,

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meet a whole bunch of other drive
in mutants, and we make some

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friends. And that's when we at
the end of the night, we're like,

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okay, we need to go check
in on our at our Airbnb.

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We were being fancy, you can
camp at the Mahoning. But we drove

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eight and a half hour. I
mean you drove, I rode. Thank

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you again for doing that because usually
I'm always the driver. But we drove

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eight and a half hours there.
We didn't want to camp in our car,

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you know, we wanted to We
want to get a hill. Vaguely

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human by the end of it all. But it's the middle of nowhere,

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and and it's right next to jim
Thorpe, Pennsylvania, which is where all

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the convent nut conventions but concerts and
big venue things are. So the closest

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hotel that isn't the Mahoning in which
is a piece of shit. So I've

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stayed there three times, every time
filthy, every time I complained. Every

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time they said, well, this
is the first complint we've ever had about

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it being dirty in there, And
you're like, oh, really, since

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the last time that I complained,
No, I just assumed I was crazy.

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I'm really susceptible to gas lighting apparently. But so the nearest traditional hotel

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otherwise is over half an hour away, and the drive in festivities end at

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like three in the morning. Yeah, you know, we don't want to

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drive to Yeah, you don't want
to drive us any further than you have

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to. So we got an airbnb
in a little house in a not like

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a rough neighborhood, but definitely a
downturned neighborhood neighborhood with not a lot of

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houses in good shape. Yeah,
yeah, quite a few of them.

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There was like boards in the windows
where it looked like not where we were

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staying, not the houses nearby nearby. Yeah, And that's that's kind of

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what especially makes the opening scene so
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is because it was very similar.
Luckily for us, it was not pouring

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down rain, but I do believe
that it was missing. It was,

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yeah, And and what made me
think of our situation was her sitting there

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with the phone trying to read the
instructions to get in, because I remember

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us doing that and we were like
we can't get this lock piles open,

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like out, what do we have
to do? Yeah, and we're like

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hot, like we just want to
go laid down please. Yeah. All

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we paid for a room with a
bed and a toilet somewhere. That's and

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that's all we want. Yeah,
Which and we didn't even get any of

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that. Well, we got into
the house and luckily it wasn't as creepy

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as the film obviously. I mean
we're still here here, yeah, and

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we're talking about it with laughter in
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No. But it was a house
that was completely just AIRBN beat out.

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Every room had its own lock with
its own code to get in and

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out, and every room was being
rented out to somebody for a stay or

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whatever. It was badly enough.
A lot of them were mutants, yes,

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a decent amount so, but it
was an awful place. They just

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it was horribly maintained. The property
owners were not even there. They had

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a person who was staying there for
free in exchange for being like our superintendent.

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Basically, it was freaking anyway,
but that's what makes it connects so

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much. So she's there punching code, the code in for a little key

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lockbox. It's a little box with
buttons on it. It opens up and

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there's a key in it the code. She's having trouble with the code because,

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like a lot of people use Airbnb
and stuff, you're not used to

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that. Yeah, you know,
it's not like we're all real estate agents

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with perfectly bleached teeth who just know
how to punch those numbers in and get

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the key. No, no,
no, we're average every day people.

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We're just sus shlubs schlepping our way
through town, needing a place to rest

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our unwashed heads. And she tries
to get in, and when she finally

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gets the lockbox open, there's no
key inside. So then she calls no

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answer. They get she gets the
machine for the property management company. So

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she rings the doorbell because she knows
there's a light on I think it was,

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and Bill Scard's guard opens the door
and he's grouchy, which I loved

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ye that he's grouchy, like when
she goes there, because you're immediately creeping

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out about him because it's like lone
woman's And they realize they realized that they

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double booked the room. She booked
it on the Airbnb. He booked it

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on some other service that may or
may not be real. It wasn't verbo

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or anything, and they both have
the confirmations. Now. I love that

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he's so standoffish because she just woke
him up. Yeah, he was asleep,

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Yeah, and clearly he had had
a long day. And he even

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says like because she mentions like why
are you so grouchy? Essentially, and

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he even says like, you've got
to think about this from my point of

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view, like I booked this place, I got here, I was asleep,

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and you woke me up. Like, please forgive me for being short,

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but this is just not ideal for
either of us. And I love

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that when she knocks on the door, he opens it. He's like what.

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She's like, who are you?
And he's like who are you?

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Who are you? And I was
like, yeah, that's how what I

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would say if somebody was knocking on
my door, you know. But that

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made me want to like do an
experiment where you knock on people's homes and

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then go who are you? They're
like, uh, but we'll be right

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back after a quick break with even
more about Barbarian and even less about the

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independent film business right after this,
and we are back right here on cutting

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deep into horror talking about Barbarian.
And at this point, while we were

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watching the film, we've been introduced
to Bill scars Guard and he's meeting our

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lady, a lead whose name is
Tess. I remember because he her name

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was beautiful. And I would love
to hear some of your thoughts on this

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scenario, because they're sitting there talking
and eventually he says, welly, don't

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you just come in because it's pouring
rain and there's no hotels in Detroit.

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There's some kind of a medical convention. I've actually had that happen where I've

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been at a place where there was
nowhere else to stay because I did not

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know that, like the entire NFL
is in town or something now for some

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reason, No, for real,
and I just want to get this out

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of the way really quick. The
next Jambree, I went to the next

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job, Bob Jambree, I went
to all by myself, I stayed at

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a hotel, and I stayed at
a different hotel than the one I was

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supposed to because I booked an affordable
place and it was in the roughest area

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ever. And I remember thinking like
should I leave? And then I literally

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watched somebody by Heroin like from my
window of my room. I remember you

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telling me, and I was like, all right, I'm out of here.

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Yeah, and I just was like, screw it, I'll just put

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a nice hotel on the Discover card. Yeah, live with it later,

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because you are literally texting me as
it happened, because you were you were

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saying like, oh, I maybe
I'll just tough it out, and then

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you're like, I just watched a
drug deal. I feel like I'm in

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my old childhood hood. I should
get out of here before I get shot.

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I know what those places are,
like. That's all I'm saying.

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So yeah, but no. So
with that all being said, I want

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to also mention when Tess arrives,
she looks around and basically everything is dark,

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like every there's no lights in the
entire neighborhood except for this house.

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Now, she heads inside because Scars
guard as character Keith offers to let her

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come in and while they call those
idiots and try to figure out what's going

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on. As a woman, how
do you Because they play a lot into

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the fact that it's a woman traveling
alone and it's a man in there.

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I would love your perspective because I
only have my albeit very handsome man's opinion

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and man experiences. So what were
you thinking when you were watching this?

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Well, when I when I was
watching it with you. I want to

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preface it that I had a distinct
advantage that if I had been watching it

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alone, because if I was watching
it alone, I would immediately assume that

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they're going to take the lazy route
and scars guard was going to be you

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know, the murderer or whatever,
and it's all about, you know,

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tests trying to survive, because that's
kind of the the lazy thing that movies

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tend to do. Well. It's
it's just a lazy story, whether it's

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in a whether it's in a movie
or a book or a short story,

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it's just yeah, it's like it's
been it's been done a million times.

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It's what everyone is already afraid of
and expecting and expecting. So but because

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you were so adamant that this was
a good movie, and I was going

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to enjoy it, and I was
gonna be freaked out about it. I

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was like, okay, they're they're
messing with us here. And so my

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thoughts, as you know, as
a woman, and as a particularly petite

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woman, is don't go inside.
Okay, get back in your car.

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Uh fucking go to a police station
and just ask them like, can I

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park my car outside while I try
to figure this out? And they would

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beat the hell out of you.
They would just start stomping you into the

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ground. Stop resisting, stop resisting. It's like, no, please,

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I've got my hands up and everything. Oh that's their favorite. Well,

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and especially because when I was living
in my old part of the reason that's

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where my mind went to is when
I was living in my old shitty apartments.

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And I can say that now because
I'm not living there, you could

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say it that you did sit I
did say it then, and I just

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wasn't as vocal, but was I. When I was in my old shitty

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apartments and the fucking crackheads wouldn't leave
me alone and were camped outside my house,

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sitting on my stoop and scaring the
neighbors so bad that the neighbors were

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calling me and telling me were scared
to leave the apartment complex because the crackheads

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are here. I left work very
late and I literally went to the police

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station that was less than a half
less than a half a mile from the

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apartment complex. And as I'm sitting
in the station, I called the station

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and I said, can I please
get a police escort to my house because

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I don't know if it's safe for
me to go there? And they did.

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They escorted me, and they made
sure I got But that's where my

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mind went is as a tiny woman, you get a lot of leeway,

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yes, with the law. So
if you go especially because at that point

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she still had her ID, she
still had her phone, she had all

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her check and information, she can
go to the police and say like,

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I don't feel safe, can you
can you help me or at least figure

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something out. I do think geography
plays a major element though, because it

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even reference that, like when they
call the police later on that they're like,

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we don't have any available units.
Yeah. And where you lived,

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albeit it had some rough elements,
You lived in an intersection of like very

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very poverty stricken and somewhat middle class. It was like together, which actually

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caused a lot of interesting individuals to
beg for money and and ask for favors

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all the time because there were people
with no means and people with means right

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next to each other. Exactly.
It's a very strange dichotomy. I had

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never really seen anything like that until
you were living there, Yeah, because

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yeah, when you live in the
hood, they like leave everybody alone.

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Yeah, but when you lived where
I lived, and especially being an unassuming

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person, yeah, people would just
glom onto me because they're like, oh,

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well you have kind eyes. Clearly
I can take advantage of that.

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What fools they were. So but
so that's that's kind of where my mind

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went. Your thought was like,
girl, don't go in there. Oh

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yeah, I was like, but
then there would be no movie obviously.

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So she does go in. And
the thing that I was kind of noticing

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is how jumpy Scars Guard was.
He was completely an utterly self aware of

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the fact that he's just some strange
man and that she's in a situation where

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she has to be around him.
Yeah, to the point where it would

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be endearing if it wasn't a horror
movie. Yeah, yeah, Like if

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this was if this was a comedy
movie, you'd be like, oh,

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look they hook up. We just
like, look at him. He's just

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so nervous because he doesn't want to
be uncomfortable because it's a horror movie.

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We're like, he's getting you ready
for the slaughter Man. But but it's

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so But going back to that to
him being so self aware is you know

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he even once he's woken up,
even though he's jumping and he's kind of

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like over explaining himself all the time. You know, he's like, oh,

405
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:45.920
do you want tea? Like I
saw a tea in here, and

406
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.240
so he makes her tea. But
she goes into the bathroom. Every time

407
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.279
she goes in a room, she
locks it. So she goes in the

408
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.240
bathroom and they make a point of
really showing that she clicks the yeah,

409
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.680
goes to change in the in the
bedroom and she locks the door and she

410
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.000
comes back out and you know,
he's got the bottle of wine that's been

411
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.640
unopened and that apparently was a housewarming
or not a housewarming, but you know,

412
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.839
like a stay warming gift exactly.
There are lots of those. I've

413
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:15.240
stated a lot of Airbnb's and that's
a very common not wine necessarily, although

414
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.279
I wouldn't be surprised if you were
renting a place for over a week that

415
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.839
they would leave you a bottle of
wine because you're spending a lot of money.

416
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.519
And for those who are never stayed
at Airbnb or whatever, they don't

417
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.279
there's no turnover service while you're there. So if you stay for a week,

418
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.359
the reason that they're thrilled to give
you fifteen percent off is they don't

419
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:40.079
have to pay cleaning people the entire
time you're there. That's the most expensive

420
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.640
thing is that if you're only there
for a day, or you're only there

421
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.799
for two days, the cleaning person
has to come and go and come and

422
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.839
go. And if the landowner,
the property owner is not there, which

423
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.519
often they're not, they pay a
service to do that and they and they

424
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.640
charge per cleaning. So it just
that's that's kind of an advantage for them.

425
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.359
Yeah. No, I mean I've
totally I've stayed at places where I've

426
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.119
booked a full and they give me
a massive discount and they were so happy

427
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.200
that they didn't have to deal with
multiple tenants in one week. They're yeah,

428
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.960
they're delighted. Yes, So that
that is something and you know,

429
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.240
we've we've been staying together, and
it's like, oh, we found like

430
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:19.000
butter and like seasoning that people bought
while they were staying and they just didn't

431
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.119
pack up. So well, we're
covered on butter and garlic powder. So

432
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.400
let's go Hohen we stayed in Michigan
and that cute little house in Grayling,

433
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.759
Remember there was a basket full of
good of Michigan. Yeah, and that's

434
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.680
how we found one of the gift
shops that we had tip of the mitten,

435
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.880
yep, tip of the Mitten.
So so now they've discussed the situation

436
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.559
and they're like okay, and he
makes a suggestion that I would have made,

437
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.759
which is, why don't we both
crash here? The house is not

438
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:51.079
small, by the way, it's
a pretty sizeable house, and they shoot

439
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.319
it that way too. You kind
of see that there's like the hallways go

440
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.640
way down and this and that,
And he basically says what I would have

441
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.359
said, which is why don't we
both just crash here? And then tomorrow

442
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.200
we complain we both get a free
stay out of it, which is exactly

443
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.119
what you should do. And what
would happen because they would just refund you

444
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.960
your money for the inconvenience. Oh
yeah, and that's what I would suggest.

445
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.039
I'd be like, let's just both
stay here for free. Then you

446
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:17.519
know we're clearly not to you know, it's not too bad of a situation

447
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.440
in that way. Yeah, And
there's a part where where he says,

448
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:22.680
like she apologizes too me. He
goes, you're just as put out his

449
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.880
eye it like, yeah, very
Yeah, he acknowledges like, no,

450
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.160
this is an inconvenience for both of
us. Yeah. Well, and that

451
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.880
was that was such an interesting scene
because you start to get a feel for

452
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.559
their chemistry together, which again,
if this was like just a comedy,

453
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.960
you'd be like, oh, man, I bet by the end, they're

454
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.480
gonna be you know, they're gonna
be an item, because you know,

455
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.160
he acknowledges he's like, oh,
look, I made you that tea,

456
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.839
but I realized that you didn't drink
it. But but it's because that,

457
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.519
like, I didn't prepare the tea
in front of you, so I didn't

458
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.440
open the wine bottle. And he's
like, yeah, like this whole speech

459
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.160
about how like I waited to open
the wine bottle and came in here so

460
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.759
you could see me open in it
if you wanted something, and because he's

461
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.799
so nice, he's like, you
have to sleep in the bed, so

462
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.920
then he has to wash the sheets. Yeah, so that's why they have

463
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.200
time to kill. So he's so
he's like, well, let's just let's

464
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.920
just enjoy some wine while we're cleaning
the sheets, And at first she declines,

465
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.839
but then through happenstance, they discover
that she's come to Detroit to work

466
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.640
on a documentary about jazz musicians and
he happens to be part of an art

467
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.039
collective that a founding member of a
jazz company. That and I love that

468
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.200
they don't explain it. Yeah,
I mean, because what while you needed

469
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.480
to know is that when he says
I'm a I'm actually a founding member of

470
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.359
the Lion Tamers, and she goes
no way, Like all you need is

471
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.559
that reaction to know that it's it
matters exactly, you know. And it

472
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.160
turns out that yeah, he's in
this very depressed part of Detroit to see

473
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.720
if they can find a new space
for their art collective, you know,

474
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.559
more Land exactly. So at first
she you know, she doesn't want to

475
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.759
drink, but then it smash cuts
and we we joked watching the movie We're

476
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.920
like, this is really just smash
cut the movie. Yeah, but then

477
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:06.640
it smash cuts to them sitting on
the couch and she's also drinking wine and

478
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.759
they're sitting there talking about jazz and
not. Well, that's the other thing

479
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.440
I love. They're not just talking
about it. They're talking about like life

480
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.319
and they're talking about like experiences and
art and jazz, which is exactly what

481
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.319
you would, honestly would be a
best case scenario if you were stuck with

482
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.200
another person, is at least it's
somebody you can get along with. Well,

483
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.799
yeah, and you know, if
you're gonna sit and have to talk

484
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.720
for a while, you know,
at least you can sip wine and talk

485
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.240
about things you both like. And
I love the telling stories with pictures.

486
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.000
They show that the dryer because he's
like, it's going to be about an

487
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.359
hour that the dryer has stopped spinning, but they're still drinking wine and talking

488
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.880
because that means that they're no longer
killing time now they're just enjoying the enjoying

489
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.519
exactly exactly. And she did some
other stuff that I wanted to mention,

490
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.039
like she took a photograph of his
ID. That's right, did you what

491
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.640
did you think when she first did
that? Were you like good? Oh?

492
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.799
Absolutely, I was like good.
And my thought was again going back

493
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.039
to being someone where this this is
a bit more in my realm of experience.

494
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.920
I noticed that she didn't check in
with anyone. Now there was somebody

495
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.000
named Marcus who kept calling her,
but she kept ignoring the calls and their

496
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.880
conversation. Her conversation with Keith,
you get the idea like this is a

497
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:21.679
soon to be X that she's kind
of cutting out of her life, right.

498
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.800
And I noticed that she didn't check
in with anyone. And what I

499
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.039
would have done if this was me
in that situation, And you know how

500
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.840
close I am with my sister Andrea, But the moment I found out that

501
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.519
I was double booked, I would
have texted Andrea and told her. And

502
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.760
the moment that I found his ID, I would have texted her the picture

503
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.679
and I would have said, you
need to be on this like white on

504
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.599
Rice. Please give me any details
that that you can muster. And it

505
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:55.559
is very surprising how thorough white women
can be doing research when they have a

506
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.119
hair up their ass. Well,
all they need to know is that there

507
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.239
could be murder involved. And then
it's cat to them. Yeah, No,

508
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.400
and and and I do want to
mention, if you read a little

509
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.960
deeper into her life, she's in
Detroit, a place she's never been.

510
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.840
They I don't think they ever really
established where she was coming from. No.

511
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.440
I kind of assumed it was either
New York or Chicago. Ye,

512
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.760
but but they never fully established.
But there's that reference like where the she's

513
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.000
there an interview for a job,
and the lady later on says, thank

514
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.239
you so much for driving all this
way. So I assumed it's like Chicago

515
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.440
or New York. And you know, one's a four hour driveing ones like

516
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.760
a seven hour drive. They're not
horribly different, really, And she's in

517
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:44.000
this place far away looking for a
job, no, no real connections to

518
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.519
where she's from. I got the
vibe that she's like, does that she's

519
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:52.199
like ready to rebuild. I could
get that. Yeah, I could see

520
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.159
that. And that's the other reason
why it's really great when they hit it

521
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.840
off, because there's almost like this
sense that she's like finding a home,

522
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.320
like she's finding she found a person
that she has a lot in common with

523
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.880
who could get her into the world
she would want to be in if she

524
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.719
lived there and stuff, and that's
very exciting. So and as they're talking

525
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:19.239
and stuff, they ride this like
really fine line of completely acceptable, non

526
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.239
threatening flirting. Yeah, and they
never cross it, which I loved.

527
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.880
It was very it felt very real. Yeah, because she like at one

528
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:31.360
point she mentions like, he was
like if the roles were reversed, what

529
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.079
would you have done? She was
like, you would stay in the rain,

530
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:36.800
And he was like, you would
really leave in the rain. She's

531
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.679
like, yeah, I would.
There are just some guy. He's like,

532
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.519
I'm still just some guy. And
she's like, yeah, but I

533
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.519
it's just She's like, yeah,
but it's different, you know. But

534
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.320
I love that too, that they're
like that's part of their conversation is like,

535
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:50.639
well, you would have done the
same for me, And she's like,

536
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.280
no, I wouldn't have. I
would not, not even a little

537
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.480
bit. I wouldn't even considered it. I wouldn't have opened the door.

538
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.880
Yeah yeah, I would even opened
the door. Uh. So, now

539
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.800
that they're wrapping up their evening,
they have this moment where he walks through

540
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.400
to the bedroom and says good night, and there's a moment where they could

541
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.960
have kissed or something, or maybe
it's just that there's this moment of like,

542
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.159
why don't we share the bed?
Maybe not of canoodle, but just

543
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:21.880
because we like each other. Yeah, we can keep talking but they don't,

544
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.280
which again felt very real, that
moment where it's like, yeah,

545
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.199
the chemistry is really good, but
like we're both booked here for a few

546
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.000
days. And that was the vibe
I got from her, was that she

547
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:36.039
was like that, she was all
about that potential. Next evening where they

548
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.119
were staying there, I thought that
was the one where they were gonna like

549
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.159
they were gonna order take out,
you know, and have another bottle of

550
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.000
wine, and they were gonna like, you know, watch cable and that

551
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.480
was when they might have their like
first kiss. I love that because it

552
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.440
really felt little real because it's very
rare, you know, in real life

553
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.400
that you just kind of meet somebody
and hit it off and jump into bed.

554
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.800
It's a pretty and because it's not
even it's unsafe. Yeah, And

555
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.119
actually I was. I was at
It's weird. All roads lead to the

556
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.079
Joe Bob Jamboree. When I was
at the Joe Bob's Jamboree in Memphis.

557
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.760
The woman whose names Escaping right Now
that starred in Halloween three, she was

558
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:20.280
talking about the scene where her character
just hops into bed with Tom Atkins and

559
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.599
and people were kind of chuckling about
it, and she's like, Oh,

560
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.840
you all don't understand because almost all
of you are millennials and gen xers.

561
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.519
But we did that. This was
before aids. Yeah, you know,

562
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.599
we did that. We free love
had just ended and now we just kind

563
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.159
of were doing whatever we wanted.
And she actually says she's like, she

564
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.800
became a sex therapist. That's why
she was extra talking about this. But

565
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.119
she was like, I feel bad
for you all that you most of you've

566
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.480
never experienced that, just meeting someone
and being like you're what, I like,

567
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.800
let's do something. And I was
like, on one hand, yes,

568
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:53.519
but on an other hand, you
people are grow like that's weird,

569
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.639
weird, dicky, but but no, So I loved that. I loved

570
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.599
that. My thought was if they're
going to be there for five days,

571
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.559
that like by the third day,
they're gonna be, you know, hitting

572
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.159
it like it's like it's going out
of style. But they're gonna really get

573
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.880
to know each other. And if
she gets the job, which it looked

574
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.719
like she was going to in Detroit, they were probably going to be an

575
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.039
item for sure, because they's so
much in common and they run in the

576
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:21.760
same circle. Tons of chemistry.
Yeah, and he's like a kind,

577
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:29.079
friendly, thoughtful man, Yeah,
who clearly has multiple sisters the way.

578
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.760
Absolutely. I loved when he said, uh, you get the bed and

579
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.280
there's no arguing about it. I'm
like, oh, that is such like

580
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.119
an old man thing to say,
just like totally being like, no,

581
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.440
we're their end of discussion. Get
the bed something. I couldn't sleep in

582
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.719
this house in a bed, knowing
that a woman would have would be sleeping

583
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.440
on the couch. Yeah. And
then he goes outside to get her stuff

584
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.280
even though it's pouring rain, and
she's like, you really didn't have to

585
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:53.239
do there's like not no argument,
no discussion. Yeah, like I'm doing

586
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.440
it for you. But he also
tries to make her feel less, you

587
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.679
know, awkward. He even mentions
like, plus I have a raincoat,

588
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.639
like you don't have a raincoat.
So yeah, I like that stuff.

589
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:08.320
It's all those all those little details
really establish well, no, they don't

590
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.360
establish what we're going to see.
That's kind of the That's what makes it

591
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.599
so great is it it takes you
one direction and then dam totally different directions.

592
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.440
Oh, this film is nothing but
side swipes, and we're going to

593
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.719
get to the beginning of the film
starting to swipe us from the side very

594
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.880
much after these quick words from our
sponsors. That's the wrong button. I'm

595
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:45.119
leaving that. And it's funny,
and we're back on cutting deep into horror,

596
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.599
and I have to say things are
about to get really weird in the

597
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:57.199
Barbarians. Yeah, so we've established
the will they won't they element of the

598
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:04.199
movie, the unlikely meeting of these
two kindred souls in Detroit. I mean,

599
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:10.360
I'm shipping them. So the next
day she wakes up but oh,

600
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:17.599
you're right. So after after they
have kind of this very very subtle will

601
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.519
they won't they kind of thing.
As Keith is wishing her good night,

602
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.960
he leaves her bedroom and we notice
that's the first time she doesn't lock the

603
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.079
door. So it's the middle of
the night and she's hearing some noises,

604
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.800
like from the hallway, and she
hears Keith kind of making noises. But

605
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.800
her bedroom door is open, right, not oh there was a draft,

606
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.239
it's fully fully open. So she
gets a little freaked out, as we

607
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.519
all would. Well, I think
what really freaks her out? Is that

608
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:55.880
then she hears like struggling and fearful
sounds and noises. Yeah. Yeah.

609
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:02.239
So she goes to check on him
and he's very clearly not sleeping well,

610
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.920
and she does the thing that I
do to you all the time, which

611
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:14.000
is she just looms over him and
touches him and gears the shit out of

612
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.400
him, waking him up. And
he's having full blown night terrors. Oh

613
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.440
yeah, it's very clear. I
don't have night terrors that I'm aware of.

614
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.039
No, thank goodness, I mean
only you. You were my night

615
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:28.480
terror. So they kind of have
a little discussion. She asks him like

616
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.519
did you open my door? And
he's like no, Well, and he's

617
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.719
not just like no, he's like
no, what because he's so bothered by

618
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.000
the fact that she was looming over
him and woke him up. And also,

619
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.000
I like this, one of the
reasons I started to trust him was

620
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.880
he was so human. Yes,
he's a little shitty when when she first

621
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.159
wakes him up, because who wouldn't
be. No one wants to be woken

622
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.000
up, and he was having like
a freaking banger of a nightmare. Yeah.

623
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.840
So yeah, yeah, So he
so he's like, no, I

624
00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.280
didn't like what it's with you.
Yeah, kind of a little yeah,

625
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.719
very annoyed with her. So she
does go back to bed, and that's

626
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.320
when we get to the next morning, and she wakes up and you know,

627
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.679
kind of rushes to get ready for
her interview, and then as she's

628
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.800
getting ready to leave, she sees
a note from Keith and you know,

629
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.960
basically saying like, hey, when
you leave, please leave the keys in

630
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.280
the dropbox. You know, we'll
be back and we'll figure figure all this

631
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.960
out later. Ps. I had
a great time last night, smiley face.

632
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.559
Yeah, making it clear that you
know, he's he's excited to spend

633
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.880
more time together, which is smart. I mean, that's what you'd want

634
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.280
to do. Yeah. Yeah,
you gotta get your foot in the doorman.

635
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:42.320
Jeez, you make it so much
less classy. But so she steps

636
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:50.039
outside, and this is when we
first realize something is not right. Yeah,

637
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.800
because as she looks outside, the
entire neighborhood is abandoned and in disrepair.

638
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:04.400
The entire neighborhood houses with tarps on
the roofs. No one lives there.

639
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.199
Yeah whatsoever. It's a ghost town. Yeah, it is completely economically

640
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:15.960
depressed and destroyed. Yeah, and
you would have no idea when you saw

641
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:17.679
it the night before. Yeah,
because the night before you're like, oh,

642
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.320
it looks a little rough around at
edges, but there's no street lights,

643
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.639
there's no illumination. Like, all
you can see is a bunch of

644
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.599
small houses that you know, this
one looks the best. Yeah, that's

645
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.039
it, Yeah, the end.
Yeah. So it really does start to

646
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:39.440
paint a picture of the history of
this neighborhood just telling stories with pictures.

647
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.960
Is this house is really nice,
obviously been renovated recently, super up to

648
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.159
date, and then all the other
houses are just crap. Well, and

649
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.119
the first question that ran through my
mind was what kind of total out of

650
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.079
touch moron would fix up a house
like that and rent it out. But

651
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.519
don't worry that gets at it.
We'll find out, like get there,

652
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:06.440
we'll get and boy was I right? So boy, So she leaves Yep

653
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:12.320
and heads to downtown Detroit to have
her job interview, which appears to go

654
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.719
very well. Yes, and we
don't I mean, we kind of see

655
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:21.679
her and the person that's that's doing
the interview. We see them jive a

656
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.320
little bit, but we really don't
get much of their conversation except the end

657
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.440
where it's basically said like, yeah, you're you're part of the project.

658
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.440
It's all smiles, it's all you'll
hear from me tomorrow. First thing.

659
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.320
But then she says where are you
staying? And she said a little airbnb

660
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.679
and she's like, oh, that's
cute. Yeah, and then she tells

661
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.599
the neighborhood and she goes, what, well, yeah, and I even

662
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:45.519
wrote it down. Yeah. Tess
says she's that she's in bright Moore and

663
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.280
the lady's face just drops and literally
the first thing that she says, it's

664
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.239
you shouldn't be there. Yeah,
not even a little, just you shouldn't

665
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:59.119
be there, yeah, like immediately. And I just want to say that

666
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.480
that reminded me. I've tried a
lot, and that reminded me of the

667
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:07.119
first time I went to Toronto because
I was trying to find where I was

668
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.679
going. This is oh god,
this is before GPS, but it wasn't.

669
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:20.320
It was before GPS and before combustion
engines. My horses knew the way.

670
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.360
No, I to walk nine miles, I'll pill both ways. Well

671
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:30.199
it was kilometers, but yes,
no. So I ended up stopping in

672
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.119
a gas station parking lot because I
was lost in Toronto trying to find my

673
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.079
hotel, which was in a very
bad part of town. Now, I

674
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.239
was a dummy, and I believe
Michael Moore in his documentary, So I

675
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.719
thought there was no bad part of
Canada. Oh, there's bad parts of

676
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.159
Canada, of Toronto in particular.
But so I told the lady, I

677
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.039
was like, excuse me, I'm
looking for Ronzis Vallas Boulevard. And she

678
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.159
looked at him at oh my god, Ronsis Vallas Boulevard and I was like

679
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.639
yeah, and she was like,
uh, fuck a duck. She said,

680
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.719
fucking duck, fucking duck. And
I was like, it was.

681
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.239
It was bad. They said,
they said free, safe, monitored parking,

682
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.559
and it was two blocks from the
actual hotel. It was a very

683
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.239
bad area anyway. So but I
think of things like that. You know,

684
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.960
it's like you're staying on Rotsis Valles
Boulevard, You're staying in that part

685
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.400
of Detroit. You don't belong,
you don't belong there, Get out of

686
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.400
there. It's when the natives tell
you that it's a bad part of town

687
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.760
is when you know it's a really
bad part of town. Absolutely. Yeah.

688
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.000
So but she explains, like,
oh, what if she met She's

689
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.239
like, oh, I have a
roommate. You know, he's a guy.

690
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:40.039
Had She's like, okay, that
sounds really dangerous. Yeah, and

691
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.320
I mean basically leaves on like,
well, stay safe. I hope I

692
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:50.840
see you next. Yi. No
wonder good helps hard to find, pulling

693
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.000
on the collar. So she heads
back home. And this is one of

694
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:58.400
my favorite first big fake outs.
Yeah. I mean, I like the

695
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.760
stuff with the will they won't they, But this is when we start to

696
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.039
get a taste of what's coming,
what's really coming. As she gets out

697
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:10.239
of her car in this busted neighborhood, you see a figure way off in

698
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.119
the distance, completely out of focus, heading towards her at a full pace

699
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.960
clip and he starts yelling hey,
hey, and then you start saying little

700
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.039
girl, little girl, don't go
in there, little girl, And she

701
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.519
does what I think anyone would do
myself included, just bolts into the house,

702
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.159
locks the door, and he's pounding
on the door saying like, come

703
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.920
out here, come out here,
and yeah. Well, and that's it

704
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:44.079
really gets you in the moment because
everyone's had an experience with you know,

705
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.559
a homeless person or you know someone
on the streets begging for change, and

706
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.440
it always makes us a little uncomfortable
just having that interaction. But then when

707
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.360
you when you picture, like,
oh, what would I do if like

708
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:00.760
a homeless person just like ran full
bore at me. Well, that's not

709
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.880
a good thing. Well and yelling
little girl, don't go in that house.

710
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.880
Yeah. And another one that I
wrote down because I thought that it

711
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:15.119
was Yeah, it was prudent,
he says, he says, you shouldn't

712
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.199
go in that house, like not
even like just yeah, it's like you

713
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:24.519
shouldn't do this is bad. And
that's when she calls the police and you

714
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.800
know, says there's a homeless person. They chase me into this airbnb that

715
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.199
I'm staying at, and the police, the police dispatcher literally says, we

716
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.559
have no free units. We can't
we can't even send someone like not in

717
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.880
fifteen minutes, not in twenty minutes, not in an hour, we can't

718
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.440
do it at all. Period.
Oh well, I grew up in an

719
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:49.119
area where sometimes you'd call the police
and they didn't come at all. That's

720
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.840
a real thing. People don't think
it is. That's a real thing in

721
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.239
rough parts of the country, like
in certain parts of Los Angeles and stuff.

722
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.239
They actually audit nine one one.
Because of that, they call nine

723
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.400
when one and give certain addresses and
time how long it takes, and sometimes

724
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.760
it takes three hours, or they
don't come at all and somebody gets fired.

725
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.119
And when I was growing up,
I lived in an area where they

726
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:20.039
came hours later. Yeah, hours, So I get that. So,

727
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:21.840
yeah, there's nothing they could do. But they're like, well, just

728
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.039
stay inside. Yeah I believe that's
what they said. Yeah, just stay

729
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:32.039
inside. So that's when that's when
she she starts doing her business around the

730
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.159
house, kind of like getting settled. I get the feeling that she was

731
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.199
kind of just waiting for Keith to
show where she was. He's like this

732
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.599
super cool guy. Yeah, like
she doesn't know anyone in Detroit anyway.

733
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.159
Like it's the perfect you made a
friend, at the very least, you

734
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.400
made a buddy. And he is. He's good looking, you know,

735
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.840
he's a little odd, but but
that's musicians but relatively harmless. Yeah,

736
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.840
he hasn't tried to kill her yet, not yet. But then she's speaking

737
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:05.119
of doing business, does her business
and realizes that there's no toilet paper in

738
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.320
the bathroom at all, not in
the cabinets, not in the cupboards.

739
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.599
Yeah, she looks everywhere, and
she looks high and low everywhere in the

740
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.360
main part of the house, you
know, in the kitchen, and she's

741
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.840
looking around in the you know,
in the bedroom, and there's like a

742
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.000
linen closet, and that's when she
finally sees across at the very end of

743
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.440
the hall is a door going down
to the basement. Yes, and this

744
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.199
is something that cannot possibly go wrong, so let's go ahead and move past

745
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.079
it. So she goes down to
the basements of the paper comes back up.

746
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:37.159
Not just kidding. So she goes
down into this average looking basement.

747
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.679
Yeah, it's just an unfinished basement. Yeah, are creepy, but in

748
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.000
a just basement way, just a
base level. Oh it's creepy basement level

749
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:52.519
basically. Yeah, yeah, I
see. But thankfully the toilet papers down

750
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:59.559
there. Ye. Unfortunately for her, as she's getting a roll of toilet

751
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.440
paper, the door at the top
of the stair stairs, due to a

752
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:08.360
draft or whatever, closes and locks
her inside. Yes, and she realizes

753
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:14.239
that she left her cell phone upstairs
and she has the only key to get

754
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.679
in the front door because she didn't
put it back in the lockbox. So

755
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.199
well, because she was going to
be home, but so Keith when he

756
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.639
gets there, can't get in the
house to help her. Yeah, anyhow,

757
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.119
And I do want to mention one
of the things that always keeps my

758
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:36.000
imagination going wild when I stay at
airbnb's is there's almost always one door that's

759
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.800
locked. Yes, and I'm sure
it usually it's just full of personal effects

760
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.000
or cleaning supplies that they don't want
you messing with or whatever, but it

761
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.719
always makes you go like, uh, I wonder what's there. Yeah,

762
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.679
it's usually like a closet or a
or a basement that's locked off. You

763
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:54.719
know, maybe they don't want you
mess him with the water heater. I

764
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.760
don't know, makes sense, depends
on the people, but so yeah,

765
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:01.880
the idea that's like she goes down
there and then it locks itself makes me

766
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.840
think that that door was supposed to
be locked, yeah, so that she

767
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.039
couldn't go down there. I know
for a fact that one AIRBNBI stayed at

768
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.639
they apologize because I ran out of
paper products. They just forgot that I

769
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.639
was staying there for seven or eight
days, and they apologize because the paper

770
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.119
products were all locked in a closet
so that nobody would just take them all.

771
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.800
Yeah, this was post COVID,
so they were worried they would just

772
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.760
take all the toilet paper and all
of the paper towels. So she's stuck

773
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.480
in this basement looking around, trying
to figure out is there a way to

774
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:45.440
get out? And as she's looking
around, she finds something a little un

775
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:54.519
normal. Yeah, unusual, It
would have been a better use of English.

776
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.440
This is why I read stories written
down and not off the top of

777
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:05.360
your head. But she notices a
rope, but not just like any rope,

778
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:10.199
a rope sticking through a hole in
the wall that as she pulls on

779
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:16.719
it, it goes longer and longer
and longer, and then it swings open

780
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:25.199
a hidden door, a very well
hidden door. And to her credit,

781
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.719
she does not immediately go in there
all excited to die. Yeah, like

782
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.880
many people in horror films do.
Yeah, she she even like. This

783
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.760
is one of my favorite lines is
because she's sitting there staring at this at

784
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:44.360
this long hallway, and then she
just likes she just says nope and just

785
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:49.039
walks away. There's a moment of
that in the new the Newer Candyman movie

786
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.000
Too, where somebody looks down a
basement and just goes nope. I love

787
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.039
it, and then and then I
love That's why I loved when Jordan Peel's

788
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:59.840
movie came out called Nope. I
was like, fair, I agree with

789
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.639
a snope. Yeah. And so
she does have that moment I would say,

790
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.480
a moment of clarity, yeah,
in a horror film for sure.

791
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.480
Yeah, where she's like, ah, nothing that is in there could be

792
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.559
worth my life. I'm just going
to stay put. But the problem is

793
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:20.159
we don't know how long she's been
down there, but we get the feeling

794
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.840
that a lot of time is at
least two hours. I would say,

795
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.800
yeah, yeah. So then she
notices there is a mirror on the other

796
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.000
side of the wall, so she
pulls over the mirror and she actually does

797
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:35.280
something really clever is she uses the
mirror to reflect the light from this little

798
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.559
unfinished basement down into the hall,
so at least she has a little bit

799
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.000
of light to see. She basically
turns the ceiling light into a flashlight by

800
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.400
reflecting it's light. Yeah, Ansian
Egyptians did it. It's great they had

801
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.199
ceiling lights, well sunlight. I'm
just teasing you. Yeah, no,

802
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.519
no, I mean I've done it
on a movie set. Yeah, it's

803
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.039
a reflector, you know, but
mirrors reflect light, you know, perfectly,

804
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.000
as opposed to a reflector, which
diffuses it. And blah blah blah

805
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.559
blah blah, no more film talk, well except about about the film Quiet

806
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.840
You. But so she does that, but unfortunately, all it really shows

807
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:15.760
her is it confirms to her that
it goes really far. Yeah, well,

808
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.920
and it goes really, really,
really far. And she finds a

809
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.480
room and it's a tiny room right
off to the right when you first kind

810
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:30.360
of start getting into the dead end, and there is there is a light

811
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.280
in the room, and there's three
other things in the room. There is

812
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:43.480
a very very dirty and disgusting mattress, a bucket, and an old an

813
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:49.199
old video camera on a tripod,
straight up VHS video camera, although I

814
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.760
will say the tripod was prosumer like, that was the kind of tripod you

815
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:54.960
would have bought if you were very
serious about whatever it was you were videotaping.

816
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.239
Well, we're going to find out
about that. We'll get there,

817
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.440
we'll get there. She assumes what
all of us would assume, what I

818
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.000
would assume, is this is the
murder room, and immediately gets back out,

819
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:13.599
goes back to the unfinished basement panics
a little bit. Luckily, Keith

820
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.920
has arrived and there's a tiny,
tiny, you know, one of those

821
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:21.800
tiny windows, and so basement window, yeah, basement window. So she

822
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:23.920
and Keith managed to open that up. She gives him the key. He

823
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:29.360
comes in and she's in hysterics,
and she's like, we need to leave

824
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.760
immediately. Yeah. But but because
she's so freaked out, which I would

825
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.360
be very scared as well, what
she's saying to him is like there was

826
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.199
a door, and there was a
room and it had a bucket in a

827
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:43.480
bed in a camera, and he's
like a bucket a bed in a camera.

828
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.039
She in a handprint. She didn't
mention that it looked like it was

829
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:52.280
blood, but it does. She
was losing she was missing details because she

830
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.440
was so freaking scared. And I
would also want to get out of their

831
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:02.719
asap. Yeah, so I can't
say a blamer. Yeah yeah, so

832
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:10.400
but but Keith does. Again,
it's very real, it's it's very genuine.

833
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.199
He doesn't dismiss her, yeah at
all, and he you know,

834
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.119
he doesn't have this moment of oh, like, oh you're crazy. All

835
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:21.599
he says is, well, I
want to check it out to see what

836
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.400
you saw. Yeah, I want
to see what this is and then we

837
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:30.760
can do something about it exactly.
Yeah, which is reasonable if you weren't

838
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.719
in a horror movie. Yeah,
Like I get where he's coming from.

839
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.159
Yeah, but no one knows they're
in a horror movie and where they are.

840
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.119
Like, he's probably like, is
this something that I can actually just

841
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.000
deal with? Yeah? Or do
we actually have to call the police and

842
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.599
deal with that mess? Right?
Yeah, because because again we get the

843
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.719
feeling that he may not be from
this particular area, but he's definitely from

844
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.840
Detroit, so he kind of probably
has a better idea of what dealing with

845
00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:00.239
the police would be, like I
would say, So, so he goes

846
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:06.000
down there, Tess stays upstairs right
at the door to the basement, and

847
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.480
you know, he goes down the
long hall and you know, she's calling

848
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.599
down to him. She's like,
do you see it? And he says,

849
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.239
yeah, I see it and then
goes totally unresponsive. Yeah, dead

850
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:27.599
science. And Tess thinks about it
for a minute. But she's got a

851
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.159
heart and she might like him a
little bit, but mostly she's got a

852
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.119
heart. She has a big heart. That's something that you get throughout this

853
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:38.599
whole movie is she doesn't want to
leave anyone to chance. She will put

854
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:45.440
herself in harm's way to help someone
else. So she starts going down the

855
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:52.000
stairs, and then she realizes that
the basement doors closing again, and she

856
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:57.199
runs up and stops it right before
she would have been locked. And she

857
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:01.480
grabs a chair, slams it down
and confirms that that bad boy is not

858
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:07.880
closing. But that is about the
end of her intelligent choices for quite a

859
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:14.199
while. So she goes through,
you know, the basement, through the

860
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:19.320
long haul. She goes into the
room, no sign of Keith anywhere,

861
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.960
which is weird because it's a long
haul. It just ends in a dead

862
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:28.920
end with that room. There's nowhere
that he could have hidden. And then

863
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.719
as she's looking up, we'll be
right back after a quick word from our

864
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:37.800
sponsors, and then you can find
out what she finds at the end of

865
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:52.199
the hallway. I am such a
professional. And we are back with cutting

866
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:58.599
deep into horror, and speaking of
deep, tess In Barbarian is about to

867
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:07.239
go deep into the recesses of this
house, and we're about to go deep

868
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:14.920
into the recesses of your personal fear. A recurring nightmare of yours. And

869
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.679
one of the reasons why this film's
horror elements are so strong, because so

870
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.440
far we've mostly been talking about how
strong its characterization is, how strong the

871
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:28.079
drama is, how strong the setting
is, how strong the performances are.

872
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.039
But oh no, my friends,
Now, now we are really getting to

873
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:37.159
the horror of the matter. Yes, So what's happening next? So as

874
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:44.480
Tessa is looking around and she can't
find Keith, she notices panel on the

875
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:49.440
far wall, the dead end,
that looks a little bit different than all

876
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.000
the rest, and she kind of
pushes the panel aside, and a door

877
01:01:53.159 --> 01:02:05.079
opens up to a cavern of blackness, going to a going to a stairway

878
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.480
that goes deep, deep, deep
into the earth, and it's so deep

879
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:15.199
that using her phone's flashlight, she
can't even see more than a few feet

880
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:20.239
in front of her. Yeah,
and that's where this movie. And I

881
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.840
know you're excited to talk about my
fears and traumas well always, but I

882
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:28.440
know I'm excited because, like we've
been, we've spent an hour describing basically

883
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.760
the first thirty eight minutes of the
film because it's masterfully set up. But

884
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:38.159
we're climbing up a hill. Yeah
that eventually we're going to roll down in

885
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:45.000
sheer terror. Yes, so please. So when when we first watched this

886
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:50.800
movie together, when we were in
the theaters, I got chills, and

887
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.719
I got like icy feeling in my
stomach, you know, like when you're

888
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:59.000
deeply instinctively scared, where you just
feel your stomach not up and you just

889
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:06.119
definitely I've never heard it called icy, but I like that because I had

890
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:12.400
as a child, I would have
recurring nightmares about being in a house.

891
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.599
Sometimes it would be a new house, but a lot of times it would

892
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:22.320
be my family home and finding a
door that would go to a passageway that

893
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:28.400
would go downstairs that would go to
more passageways, and I would get lost

894
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:32.400
and couldn't find my way out,
and I was being hunted by monsters in

895
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:40.360
these deep, cavernous, labyrinthine underground
tunnels beneath my house. And this was

896
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:45.280
so common that like I would just
I would kind of like, no,

897
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.440
I'm like, it's it's been a
few weeks. I'm probably due for another

898
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.760
another basement nightmare. Do you know
what was chasing you? Or was it

899
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.280
just that you knew? I just
knew so you never saw it. I

900
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.719
never saw it, and that's honestly
in nightmares, that's scary. Oh I

901
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:02.679
agree, No, no, no, It's like often I'll tell you about

902
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.639
my my dreams and I'm always like, I don't know why, but I

903
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:09.559
knew that I lived there. Yea. You know there's like things that just

904
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:15.400
you know, like the backstory is
already installed in your consciousness in a dream

905
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.920
exactly, so you just you knew
something not so great was going to happen

906
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:26.000
to you if you didn't skidaddle.
Yes, that's terrifying. That's really scary.

907
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.960
I'm not a person who's prone to
nightmares. That's really scary. Yeah,

908
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.679
that's I wouldn't recommend it for those
of you listening at home, if

909
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:39.000
you can avoid that particular nightmare.
Do So, what went through your mind

910
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:45.840
when we were sitting in the movie
theater, dark movie theater, and all

911
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:56.000
of a sudden, she's going through
this this cavern and then she starts to

912
01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:00.400
hear Keith yelling for help. Yes, so she can't turn again. She's

913
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:06.880
she's got a big heart, she
can't just leave somebody behind. And what

914
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:11.400
was going through my head again going
back to these nightmares, is I was

915
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:16.920
like, oh, now we're now
we get to the monster, because that's

916
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:20.159
where that's where my subconscious would always
go. Is like, oh, once

917
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:24.559
you get down the stairs, well
that's it. There's the monster somewhere and

918
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.280
it knows where you are. Is
that's where you like Minecraft so much?

919
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.159
You're really this is weird. It's
kind of like immersion therapy. I mean,

920
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.079
I'm not even trying to be funny. I mean like when we play,

921
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:38.400
when I watch you play Minecraft,
it's like you're digging deeper and deeper

922
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:41.440
and deeper. Sorry, I'm not
trying to sidetrack us, but like,

923
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.079
wow, Well, and the way
I I am odd because the way that

924
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.960
the way that I eventually got over
those nightmares is I would talk to my

925
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:57.039
younger brothers about them and we made
up a really weird character. We called

926
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:01.159
him Joey the albino Dwarf, and
we would make up stories about Joey living

927
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:06.639
in these tunnels underneath our house and
that he was kind of like he wasn't

928
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:12.719
a bad guy, but he wasn't
necessarily a great guy either, because he

929
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.360
had a nuclear weapon silo beneath us. I mean, yeah, that's something

930
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:19.039
you know, that's I would say
that's morally onerous yet. Yeah, so

931
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:26.400
that kind of making up stories about
it where it was at least a little

932
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:31.559
more lighthearted, and there was at
least somebody and nuclear war lighthearted but okay,

933
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.239
compared to the unknown, that's pretty
that's pretty tame. Yeah. Yeah,

934
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:39.039
So that was kind of how I
got over it, is I would

935
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:41.679
have a bad nightmare, and then
I would talk to my younger brothers about

936
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:45.079
like Joey and the Joey the albino
dwarf, and like what he was doing

937
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.639
down there, And it couldn't have
been all bad because at least Joey like

938
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:54.159
was friendly with me in the stories. Yeah, but that's as as Tess

939
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:57.679
is going through, you know,
going down the stairs and she hears Keith,

940
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.440
and then she's walking around and she
sees a little al cove with dog

941
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:08.000
cages a lot. Yeah, like
six eight, ten dog cages just all

942
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:12.079
lined up next to each other,
and you hear Keith op op. Like

943
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.840
that's where my brain was going,
like, Okay, there's there's something down

944
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.880
here, and it lives here,
and it probably isn't going to take too

945
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.320
kindly to you trespassing on its little
tunnels. Oh I don't know. My

946
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.840
fear was that there's something down here
and it's gonna be thrilled to see you.

947
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:34.760
That's my fear. So as she's
as she's kind of exploring, she

948
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:41.239
comes to a room and in the
room, it's just the floor is littered

949
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:46.440
with trash, and it's got this
weird purple lighting which is very, very

950
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:53.079
off putting. And it's got an
old TV in the center of the television

951
01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:58.239
style television with a VCR hooked in, and it's playing a tape, a

952
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:02.079
VHS tape of how to nurse your
baby. Yet it's it's like one of

953
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:08.559
those instructional videos, but it's about
new mothers nursing their baby, which is

954
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.159
weird. Like, look, it's
one of those things. I love how

955
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:17.399
stacking. Certain things can be creepy, Like, okay, mom breastfeeding a

956
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.720
baby, Like some people are squeamish
to it. I don't get that personally,

957
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:27.520
but some people might find that a
little weird. But mom breastfeeding a

958
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:32.479
baby on a VHS tape being played
on a television screen underneath the earth in

959
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:40.279
a secret cavern with no explanation whatsoever. Suddenly that's a little sinister, a

960
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:46.479
little yeah, just a smidgeon,
just a little scoche. So she very

961
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.479
wisely does not go into that room. She keeps hearing Keith, and then

962
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:56.920
he comes stumbling out of the darkness
and he looks like shit. And now

963
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.840
he is the one who is hysterical, and he's all like, we gotta

964
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:01.600
get out, we gotta get out, we gotta go that way because that

965
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:06.239
way I know something's coming to get
us. And she's just trying to get

966
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:11.000
more information out of him, and
the tables have been completely turned. I

967
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.000
love that now he can't explain properly
what he saw because he doesn't understand it.

968
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:19.479
Yeah, it was so horrific that
all he knows is bad. Get

969
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:24.359
out all he can That's all he
can convey. That's all he knows.

970
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.560
And so we start we start thinking
as an audience like, Okay, they're

971
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.680
going to get out together, and
then it'll be kind of like being pursued

972
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:35.239
by whatever it is. No,
this thing comes out of the darkness,

973
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:45.000
grabs Keith, Keith's head and bashes
his brains in sure does goodbye, Keith.

974
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.840
That's that's it. And then because
we said this this is a smash

975
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:57.039
cut the movie. Yes, suddenly
we're in the West Coast, following some

976
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:00.000
dude driving in his his nice red
con herd. Of all, he's singing

977
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:05.560
along to music. He's having a
great just any guy Justin Long in the

978
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:11.199
film Justin Long Who. There has
been a running joke for years that if

979
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.840
you see Justin Long pop up in
a horror movie, don't get too attached.

980
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.359
Yeah. Yeah, the man gets
turned into Walrus's. The man gets

981
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:24.479
killed by the creeper and jeepers,
creepers. You know, he's not had

982
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:28.720
a lot of luck being in a
horror film, but he is just living

983
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:33.239
his best life driving up the Pacific
Coast Highway and he gets a phone call

984
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:38.000
and I don't want to linger on
it too much, but it is important.

985
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.960
It turns out that he's an actor
and he was just doing a pilot

986
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:47.159
and someone that worked on the pilot
is has made public accusations that he committed

987
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:53.680
some kind of a sexual assault,
which then it's revealed that basically he's being

988
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:59.600
accused of rape of a costar.
Yes, and not only is he being

989
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:03.359
accused to rape, but they're taking
him off the project completely. Yes,

990
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:09.000
but even though they are investigating there, they like he gets to the heart

991
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.600
of he's like, yeah, but
what does this mean, like it's over?

992
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
he gets bad news there. Then

993
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.600
he's going to talk to his accountant
to try and figure all this out because

994
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.680
now he's got a factor in like
legal fees, and he has no job,

995
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:26.720
and he has no jobs, he
has no income. And his accountant

996
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.600
you know, basically lays it out
like, Okay, well this is going

997
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:32.319
to cost you liked, what did
he say? Likes one hundred and forty

998
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:40.239
mild one hundred and forty thousand all
in on all these fees, and you

999
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:45.000
don't have any income, so you're
gonna have to look at selling your properties

1000
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.880
and well especially as house in Los
Angeles actually house in la And as you're

1001
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:53.119
watching this, I'm sure you're wondering, what does this have to do with

1002
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.680
this movie? We've been watching for
forty minutes. And then the accountant mentions,

1003
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.279
well, you've got properties in Michigan. Though he says, what about

1004
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.079
my Michigan project? That's it?
And he's like, well, they're a

1005
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.479
small source of income, and he's
like why could get something for them?

1006
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:09.119
He's like maybe yeah, and the
accountant even says like, yeah, you

1007
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:12.640
could sell them. And then you
would buy yourself two or three months time

1008
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:16.119
maybe, And then the accountant drops
a bit of a bombshell and says,

1009
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.119
by the way, you're going to
have to look for someone else to do

1010
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:24.920
all this for you. I will
be faxing over all your papers because I

1011
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.840
can't. I can't do this.
I can't do this right now because he's

1012
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.199
well, because he's being accused of
doing something really heinous. And at this

1013
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.319
juncture, we have no clue if
it's true or not, but we know

1014
01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:41.479
that it's bad. It's bad,
very bad. Yeah, So we we

1015
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:46.039
kind of follow this character a j
and he gets off the plane he's obviously

1016
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:50.439
traveling. He mentions he gets a
phone call and I'm pretty certain it's from

1017
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:58.359
the attorney. The attorney, Yeah, and he mentions getting into a rental

1018
01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:02.479
car, and the attorney gets very
cross with him, and AJ explains like,

1019
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:05.640
no, no, no, no, I'm not fleeing anything. I

1020
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:09.239
just want to go I just want
to go to Detroit to check out,

1021
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.159
check out my properties and see you
know what's up. Same, he's from

1022
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.600
there, originally he's from there,
Yeah, which would make sense then why

1023
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.560
you'd buy up properties when he has
some money? Because it's it's you know,

1024
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.960
his hometown well, and it's because
the properties cheap. Remember when I

1025
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:29.680
said what kind of dumbass, out
of touch human being? Well, apparently

1026
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:38.520
AJ he found him kids, we
found him. So oh his his attorney

1027
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:45.239
does say like this is not a
good look right now, ya la,

1028
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.880
But AJ, you know, he's
not thinking about that. He just wants

1029
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:51.720
to figure he wants to figure out
the finances well, and he literally tells

1030
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:55.039
him like, unless you want to
work pro bono for me, I need

1031
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:59.159
to be out here making this money. Yeah, So he goes to the

1032
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:04.640
airbnb. He does see you know, he sees their luggage around, and

1033
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:09.720
he sees, you know, the
house obviously isn't a mess, but he

1034
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:15.199
does see stuff around where he even
calls the property management service and asks like

1035
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.600
when was the last time that there
was somebody booked and they're like, oh,

1036
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.680
it's been like weeks ago. And
he's like, well, the why

1037
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.199
isn't the place been cleaned? And
they're like, oh, well, if

1038
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.199
if nobody comes in, then we
don't hire the cleaners. So then he

1039
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:35.359
gets a call from his parents.
There's a moment that humanizes him a little

1040
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:40.560
bit because he's talking to his mom
and his mom mentions that it's not a

1041
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.399
far drive for them, they would
love to come out and see him,

1042
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.199
and he asks, like dad says
that and she says, oh, well,

1043
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:53.000
you know how your father is.
And you'd see it like break him

1044
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.439
on screen and you're like, oh, there's a lot of baggage with this

1045
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.640
guy. Imagine that though an actor
with baggage never never heard of such a

1046
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.199
thing. No, And you feel
for him because also his mom is a

1047
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:06.239
bit of a bit of a jenta. Yeah, you know, she's a

1048
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:10.319
bit of a nuds. She's a
bit of a she's a lot. Oh,

1049
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:12.680
she's a lot to deal with very
quickly because she's like, what am

1050
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:17.319
I supposed to tell me? Because
it's a brilliant storytelling device, because she's

1051
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.840
like, what am I supposed to
tell my friends? And he's like,

1052
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:23.720
I don't know, mom that she's
a lying bitch and she's like, don't

1053
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.720
use language like that. It's like
his mom is making it about her.

1054
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.760
Yes, but Aj has a really
bad habit of making everything about him,

1055
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:39.520
and we're going to discover that even
more as we progress, because Aj is

1056
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:47.640
a fine, fascinating mental specimen.
He's definitely deeply narcissistic. It becomes very

1057
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:51.159
clear because he is like, I'm
being accused of these things, like,

1058
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:53.800
well, what's gonna happen to me, what's gonna happen to my money?

1059
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:59.439
What's gonna happen all this stuff?
And he's very denying that anything bad happened.

1060
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.159
But then he goes and meets up
with one of his old buddies yep,

1061
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:04.720
and they go to a bar and
tie one off and you know,

1062
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:10.960
blow off some steam yep, and
and his buddy even as as they're drinking

1063
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:14.159
and getting more and more drunk,
his buddy even asks him like, well,

1064
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:17.359
what did like what did happen?
And aj you know, kind of

1065
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.239
gives this whole Well, there's two
sides to every story, and like,

1066
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:24.159
well, yeah, sure, I
invited her back to my room, and

1067
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.319
of course she like she took some
convincing, and the guy even asked like,

1068
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.439
well did she say no? He's
like, well, yeah, she

1069
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.800
said no it first, but I
just kept pressing it and eventually she was

1070
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.039
fine with it. Well, and
he says it in the very like,

1071
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.880
you know, we just kept like
you know, kissing and fooling around,

1072
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:45.800
and eventually she was like she was
down and I think you should speak on

1073
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:51.600
that because that's probably I mean,
do you do you ever get concerned about,

1074
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:56.279
like, as a guy, pushing
way out of my comfort zone right

1075
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:01.520
now? Yeah? Hard? Because
I know me dating, like, I

1076
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:06.079
don't feel like I could push too
hard. Sure, but is that ever

1077
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:13.680
a concern for you? Yeah,
no, it is. There's a very

1078
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:18.079
fine line in dating when you're a
man, and I don't want to be

1079
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.359
all woe is me man suffering,
But you know, men have hard things

1080
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.600
just like women have hard, hard
things. They deal with hardships and such.

1081
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.159
There's this element where like you as
a man, need to be the

1082
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:36.479
aggressor, but don't be aggressive.
So you need to ask a girl out

1083
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:41.359
because they will never not never,
but you know they'll generally never ask you

1084
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.199
out. But you need to not
be so aggressive that they feel uncomfortable saying

1085
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.119
no. But also if they if
they like brush you off and you go

1086
01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:51.000
away right away, sometimes women will
be like, well you were just you

1087
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.520
know, not that serious. You
weren't serious about me, You didn't care.

1088
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.760
When it's like it is, it's
a it's a hard dance. And

1089
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:05.279
I could see where someone like a
j who is all about himself all about

1090
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:12.960
his money, all about his career, could compartmentalize and really believe, really

1091
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:18.640
convince himself that this was just a
complicated interaction. Yes, and do you

1092
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:23.319
know what, he might be right, but part of what makes that interaction

1093
01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:28.439
so complicated could be that she regrets
kind of bending to what he wanted,

1094
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:34.079
and that's not good. He was
the star of the pilot, which means

1095
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:40.039
that there was a power imbalance,
I mean for I mean, have you

1096
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:43.479
heard about this stuff with Lizzo recently? Yeah? I like that. I

1097
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.399
like bringing that up because Lizzo is
so far from what we're used to hearing

1098
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:53.399
about bosses and famous people pushing people
to do things sexually that they're not comfortable

1099
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:58.800
with. You don't usually hear that
about a woman, especially like an artist.

1100
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.439
Yeah, but she, without getting
into a horrific amount of detail,

1101
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:06.720
you know, she pushed these people
who worked for her to do sexual things

1102
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:10.840
that they may not have wanted to
do. But they felt pressured too,

1103
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:14.119
because it was in the sense of
like a team building exercise. Yeah,

1104
01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.199
I guess. And I remember whenever
people would say that, I'm like,

1105
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:18.279
well, it's not like they'd feel
any pressure. I mean, she was

1106
01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:21.119
just their boss. And one of
the most famous people to ever live.

1107
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:26.119
So I'm sure they didn't feel like
they had. They couldn't say no,

1108
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:30.359
no, of course not, and
so I get that. I feel like

1109
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:36.079
with Aj, it's more the fact
that there is nuance to dating is how

1110
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:43.119
he can get himself comfortable with the
idea that he didn't do anything wrong exactly.

1111
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:47.279
And I think it's important character building
too, because you see how he

1112
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:56.439
is able to compartmentalize because actions versus
the consequences, and that plays out throughout

1113
01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:00.000
the rest of the movie, even
to like the a few minutes and I

1114
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:08.399
hate to blow your mind here,
but the house is a compartmentalization. One

1115
01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:13.439
nice house. Oh yeah, Oh, I didn't think of that. No,

1116
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.279
that's ooh and ooh ooh. I
like that. Yeah. I think

1117
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:19.119
we're going to take a quick break
so you can think on that some more.

1118
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:21.159
I just thought of that, but
I'm a genius. But we're gonna

1119
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:25.479
take a quick weake. We'll be
right back with more cutting deep into horror.

1120
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:41.640
Now we're back with cutting deep into
horror, and Rachel has just basically

1121
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:46.359
attacked me by making me talk about
the nuances of dating as a man and

1122
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:55.359
the complexity of compartmentalizing your own bad
actions and justifying them. Thanks for that.

1123
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:01.119
But I had a realization before the
break that the house is a good

1124
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:08.720
example of the way he sees the
world because the house is nice and neat

1125
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:14.399
and and and average, except that
where it is, it stands out because

1126
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:21.319
it is. But underneath the home
there's lots that's been built over time,

1127
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:26.920
a lot of ugliness that's out of
sight, out of mind. Yeah,

1128
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:30.760
but not to everybody, And we'll
get into it a little bit more.

1129
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:34.520
I felt great because I blew your
mind on you did. I had to,

1130
01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.479
I had to take a step back, Like no, I was really

1131
01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:43.800
thrilled with that insight. So after
AJ drinks with his friend, he goes

1132
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:49.640
back home and he makes the championship
decision to call the actress while face style

1133
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:54.560
her. Oh yeah, and give
like the most half as apology. Yeah,

1134
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:59.239
and it. I mean, he
did apologize, but not for his

1135
01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:06.279
actions. He apologized for her feelings, which is a step toward empathy,

1136
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:12.960
but it's not empathy full forced.
Well also it's yeah, no, it's

1137
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.680
just kind of I get what he
you know, what he thought he was

1138
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:16.720
doing. He was like, I
don't feel that I hurt you. But

1139
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:21.079
if you feel hurt, I'm sorry. Yeah. It's like I mean,

1140
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:25.399
I've had to make that apology before, legitimately, like I wasn't hiding from

1141
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.000
like I literally was like I really
I don't see how it hurts you,

1142
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.439
but it clearly did. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

1143
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:38.560
that's that's part of being a grown
up is apologizing even when you don't drunk.

1144
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.880
Well, preferably the drunk are the
better that haven't. Isn't that a

1145
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.760
saying like the more drunk you are, the better the apology. I that

1146
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.000
sounds like something my Grammy used to
tell me all the time before bed.

1147
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:56.439
Anyway, So it's the next morning
and uh Aj is not feeling great after

1148
01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:59.399
that night drinking well, and then
he but then he hold on, He's

1149
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:00.840
like he wakes, He's like I
don't know. And then he calls Ralph

1150
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.439
on the big white phone. Yeah
a good, good meeting with the Portland

1151
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:09.039
God. Yeah, I'm glad.
We were just talking about the purge earlier

1152
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:15.680
and now here we are again.
So he gets the bad out and now

1153
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.800
he's back on track about he's got
to get his finances in order and figure

1154
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:23.600
out what to do. But then
he notices, he really notices, like

1155
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:27.359
the house is not right because like, after he's done, I can't think

1156
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.560
of another hilarious term for puking.
Damn it. He notices a electric toothbrush

1157
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:34.239
plugged in on the floor, which
I thought was one of the best little

1158
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:41.239
details of Scars Guards staying there was
that there's a like a charging electric toothbrush

1159
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.520
sitting on the floor. I remember
even said to you when we were watching

1160
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:45.159
it. I was like, I
was like, well, that makes perfect

1161
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.319
sense because it's like you get there
and you're like, really the outlet the

1162
01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.439
only out in the bathrooms on the
floor. Well, then I guess that's

1163
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:54.479
where my course. Then I was
like, what an amateur. I never

1164
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.520
bring my toothbrush charger. It could
it could brush like fifty times before it

1165
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.199
actually needs a charge. Yeah,
if you're standing, your words, if

1166
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:01.560
you're standing for a week, just
don't bring the charger. Yeah. No,

1167
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:05.920
no, I've I've had my toothbrush
die because unexpectedly because I didn't realize

1168
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:11.760
that, unplugged the charger for like
two weeks and it finally just gave up

1169
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.159
the ghost and I'm like, oh
crap, it wasn't charging all that time.

1170
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:15.840
Anyway, I digress. I travel
way too much, and I think

1171
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:20.199
about these things a lot clearly,
so so he notices that, and that's

1172
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:25.800
when he realizes there's luggage still in
the house, and he starts to wonder

1173
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:30.479
if they're still there. Yeah,
and his concern is for squatters. Yes,

1174
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:36.680
So he goes down in the basement
and he it's kind of just yelling

1175
01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:41.319
out for people, like, hey, come out there. You know,

1176
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:44.239
I know, I know you're here. I'm gonna call the police, which

1177
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:46.119
we know is an empty threat,
but you know, a squatter may be

1178
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:56.479
concerned. But once he and let
me double check my notes, but he

1179
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:04.520
almost immediately find the rope that leads
to the hidden tunnel and he starts seeing

1180
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:08.079
dolla dolla. Bill signs. Oh, it's one of the funniest things,

1181
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:11.199
especially as a homeowner, a new
homeowner. One of the funniest things.

1182
01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:15.560
He sees the door open, he
sees he realizes there's like a terrifying cavern.

1183
01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:20.600
And then he's on the computer googling
can I list this as square footage

1184
01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:27.439
so that he could charge more for
the house, and I so good,

1185
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:31.760
And it's so good. It had
some brilliant visual storytelling because we see him

1186
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:35.560
pick out and we were talking about
the tiniest shiv, but he picks out

1187
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:40.920
the most pathetic little pairing knife.
I really think it was a skinning knife.

1188
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.600
Knife. That's the word scaling knife. Yeah, so just this tiniest

1189
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:50.000
little pathetic knife. And he's got
it with him, and he's got a

1190
01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:55.279
flashlight and a tape measure Yeah.
Yeah, that's the tape measurer. And

1191
01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:58.840
I want to point out right when
he goes down there, because he doesn't

1192
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.439
leave the chair there, because he
doesn't understand that that door closes itself.

1193
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:08.439
I notice something this watch. If
you want to talk about symbolism and YadA

1194
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:13.800
yada's the door has a key like
a keyhole. Yeah, it's been painted

1195
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:20.479
over. It's sealed by painting maybe
spackle. So again I feel like there,

1196
01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:23.880
I mean, there's a symbolism.
When you're a ship landlord, you

1197
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:28.399
just paint over everything and say like
it's new now and yeah, a piece

1198
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:32.079
of crap. And this homie he
kind of paints over everything and says like

1199
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:36.600
it's fixed. Yeah. And he
does that with the home and he does

1200
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:42.079
that in his life and he probably
does that, you know, just when

1201
01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:46.119
he orders at McDonald's for dry sake. He's just he's so he's so he's

1202
01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:50.600
so four dimensional that he's almost one
dimensional. Like, once you understand how

1203
01:26:50.640 --> 01:27:00.199
complicated he is, it's very easy
to predicate. So he goes down there

1204
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:05.239
and there's a hilarious scene as he's
he's measuring the hallway and then he's he's

1205
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:11.880
so focused on measuring everything so he
can list it as part of the space

1206
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:15.880
that he totally ignores the murder room
being an obvious murder room. He's so

1207
01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:19.880
excited about the fact that this discovery
will benefit him that he does not care

1208
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:26.960
about anything else, including how obvious
it is that this is bad. Yeah,

1209
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.720
and it's I as a thirty something
year old person, some of the

1210
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:35.079
hardest laughs I've ever had in the
theater where when he was trying to up

1211
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:43.319
his property values by claiming the freaking
murder tunnels. And he even goes down

1212
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:47.000
he sees the alcove with all of
these rusty dog cages lines up and he

1213
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:51.239
starts measuring that too, measuring around
them so that he can get a propriety

1214
01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:58.439
of the squirret So what cages,
there's what son. Then he gets to

1215
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:02.199
the room that's got the v chest
tape with the instructional video on how to

1216
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:08.600
take care of a newborn, and
he whips out the tape measure and then

1217
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:13.800
something grabs it and from way out
in the darkness, rips it out of

1218
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:18.159
his hands, and he starts to
run away with the monster following him,

1219
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:25.560
but then he he drops the knife, scrapes himself up, keeps running,

1220
01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:29.000
and then falls into a pit.
Yeah, and like a straight up pit,

1221
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:35.239
yeah, which like eight feet deep, which then a lid shuts on

1222
01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:40.159
top of it, and it's like
a cage lid, Like it's like a

1223
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:44.199
medieval pit. Yeah. Yeah,
Like I just wanted to be clear,

1224
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:48.520
you're not being cute with the description. Is literally a pit made for pitting.

1225
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:55.279
Whatever you do with pits, that's
what it's there for, which conveniently

1226
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.600
Test is there, not looking too
hot. But she's alive, and she's

1227
01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:03.840
there, and she clearly has some
insight into how to stay alive down there,

1228
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:10.840
because she immediately starts telling him don't
panic, don't get agitated when you're

1229
01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:19.119
agitated. She gets agitated, yes, and he obviously doesn't understand. And

1230
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:30.960
then we see we see the lid
and we see greasy disgusting, gnarly hair.

1231
01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:38.359
And then we see a grotesque hand
with an equally disgusting baby bottle,

1232
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:45.079
but it's like a giant cartoonish baby
bottle because I think that the nipple on

1233
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.520
it has been malformed from overuse.
Yes, that would be my guess probably,

1234
01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:57.680
And this hand just reaches down and
Test tells him you have to drink

1235
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:02.680
it. Test drinks out of the
bottle like as as kind of a way

1236
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:09.159
of showing example. AJ refuses,
of course he does, because it's gross.

1237
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:14.000
It's gross, af like, I
would have a hard time drinking out

1238
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.760
of it too, I reckon,
well, that's because you're short. Yeah,

1239
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:28.520
she'd really have to read in there. So so he refuses to drink,

1240
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:32.199
and the lady gets mad, very
mad, and opens up the lid

1241
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:36.560
and uh gets right in his face. And that's where we start to get

1242
01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:42.319
a little bit of a feel of
this monster, because it's a human ish

1243
01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:48.439
but very malformed, gross teeth and
naked and looks like she's never bathed a

1244
01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:54.279
day in or life. And then
we slash cut to the neighborhood in like

1245
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:58.439
the sixties or seventies, and everything
looks great. The aspect ratio is different

1246
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:02.279
which four three? Yeah, the
lens is all the wide angle less.

1247
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:09.199
Everything looks totally different, right,
vibrant colors. All the houses are brand

1248
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:16.039
new looking, and they're all like
blues and greens and yellows and king and

1249
01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:23.239
beautiful. But not everything is bright
and beautiful because we see I can't remember.

1250
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:26.239
I don't think they ever name him, but which Frank was his name?

1251
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:29.039
Okay? Played by Richard Brake,
who has been in a ton of

1252
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:32.079
great films and great horror films,
who's most recently in The Munsters movie,

1253
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:38.000
The New Munsters Movie by Rob Zombie. Really underrated actor in my opinion,

1254
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.640
but maybe other horror fans might go, no, he's not. He's amazing.

1255
01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:44.960
Everyone knows it. But I think
he's underrated. And he is just

1256
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:51.039
a working class dude in Detroit and
everything seems nice. And if I remember

1257
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:54.880
correctly, that's when his neighbor says
something to him. Right, well,

1258
01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:57.239
nor am I getting ahead of myself. We're getting out of here, okay,

1259
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.159
sorry, Because we follow Frank he
gets into his carre and I found

1260
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:05.439
it was really interesting because for most
of the sequence, the camera follows behind

1261
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:12.159
Frank. Yeah, so he drives
to grocery store, you know, some

1262
01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:16.159
kind of definitely the old school regional
supermarket. Yeah, yeah, I like

1263
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:19.039
calling a supermarket because it feels even
older. Yeah, it was like it

1264
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:24.159
was just a supermarket. He's just
kind of walking up and down the aisles

1265
01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:27.600
with his with his shopping cart,
and a lady comes up and asks him

1266
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:32.560
what he needs, and first thing
he says is he needs plastic cloths,

1267
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:40.920
and then he says and diapers and
baby stuff, and she kind of perks

1268
01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:43.199
up. And I love, like, if I if there was a movie

1269
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:47.079
like just about this lady, Like
he absentmindedly but being so helpful, trying

1270
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:51.079
to trying to help serious colors,
but never knowing the sweet middle aged lady.

1271
01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:55.159
She's like, oh, baby stuff, I like baby stuff. Right

1272
01:32:55.199 --> 01:33:00.760
now, I'll walk you. So
she starts asking him questions about out the

1273
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:02.600
baby. Is the baby here?
How old is the baby? Says,

1274
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.079
well, the baby's on the way, And she gets excited and says,

1275
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.159
okay, well are you going to
be taking it to this particular hospital when

1276
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:11.760
the baby's born? He says no, it's going to be a home birth.

1277
01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:15.720
And she thinks about this and she
asks, well, did she loves

1278
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.520
that? Oh? Yeah, home
birth. She loves it. She's like,

1279
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:21.600
oh, God, bless you like
for doing that, and then asks

1280
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:25.800
about the midwife and he says,
no, I'm going to do it myself,

1281
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:29.039
just to us. Yeah, and
that's when she pauses a minute and

1282
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:32.399
she's like oh, and she says
something along the lines of oh, you

1283
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:35.239
poor thing, and then she asks, you have vinyl gloves? Yeah?

1284
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:39.039
I think so, but she grabs
him another box of vinyl gloves and then

1285
01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:43.159
shelves. She you know they weren't
fancy back then. Oh it was LATEX.

1286
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:45.000
I know I busted you. No, but no, so she gets

1287
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:50.239
she puts the gloves in there,
and then she grabs an instructional video a

1288
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:55.600
cassette. Wait a second, this
had to have been the eighties then if

1289
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:59.159
there was a cassette. And that
makes sense though, because in the next

1290
01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:03.359
scene, as he's packing his car
up, he starts stalking a young woman.

1291
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:09.000
So he gets everything in his car. He sees a young woman and

1292
01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:14.079
he follows her back home and he
parks, you know, down the street

1293
01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:15.520
a little bit so she doesn't quite
see him. He goes back to his

1294
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:20.640
trunk, opens it up, and
he's got a worker's uniform that says Carlos.

1295
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:25.199
That says Carlos, and totally strikes
me as a Carlos. I mean,

1296
01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:30.439
don't don't you judge a slight skin
hispanics first of all, But no,

1297
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.680
And to me, my first thought
when I saw it was like stolen

1298
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:38.399
from a laundry matte. Oh absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So he goes

1299
01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:45.199
up to the door and knocks,
and he says that he's there with was

1300
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:53.199
like Detroit Water Flowers d w P. And he says that they need to

1301
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:58.880
investigate because there's been complaints in the
neighborhood. He goes to the bathroom,

1302
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:03.399
turns on the file, unlocks the
bathroom window, turns off the faucet,

1303
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:06.199
goes back and says, oh,
you're all in the clear. And she

1304
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:10.279
says, oh, really, like
you saw everything you need to and he

1305
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:14.319
just gets this smirk and he says, oh, yeah, we're good,

1306
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.359
but if you have any problems,
just give us a call. Yeah.

1307
01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:21.439
And he's so nonchalant, which is
why he's like that's why they call him

1308
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:26.520
con Men's confidence man. Yes,
he's walking in there like, look,

1309
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:28.439
I don't want to be in your
house either, lady, but you gotta

1310
01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:30.640
let me in, Okay. Because
like, I gotta get this done.

1311
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:32.479
My boss is gonna get mad if
I don't. I got a baby to

1312
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:38.479
deliver at some point, apparently.
But yeah, So he leaves and it's

1313
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:42.560
very clear he'll be back. Yeah. So then he goes home, and

1314
01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:45.079
that's when his neighbor mentions. Yeah. His neighbor comes up to him and

1315
01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:47.520
tells him, Hey, there's going
to be a sign on my yard tomorrow.

1316
01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:51.199
I don't want you to be surprised, and he establishes the fact that

1317
01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:56.680
the neighborhood is going to crap and
everybody's starting to get out of there,

1318
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.199
and if they don't get out now, then they may not even be able

1319
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:00.439
to get out next year. Yeah
they might, well, because they'll by

1320
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:02.840
then they'll be in the whole the
house won't be worth as much as they

1321
01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:10.439
owe on them or something along those
lines, basically referencing the automotive manufacturing crash

1322
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:16.079
that that really harmed Detroit massively.
Yep. And the neighbor you know,

1323
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:19.800
kind of mentions like, oh,
you should consider putting putting your house up

1324
01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:24.720
for sale, and Frank just says
I'm not going anywhere and goes back inside.

1325
01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:30.439
We see a shot of him.
You know the shot of this long,

1326
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:32.640
long hallway and him standing in front
of the door that leads to the

1327
01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:36.359
basement. He opens the door and
you hear a woman screaming for help.

1328
01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:44.079
He closes the door and then smash
cut. Because that's all we needed to

1329
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:47.359
know. No, and now we
know, well we don't know everything,

1330
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:50.520
but we know a lot. Now. Yeah, we know that somebody has

1331
01:36:50.600 --> 01:37:02.279
been raising some kind of a brood
down in that basement and it is got

1332
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.439
a little out of hand, just
a little bit. But also I mean

1333
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:14.600
like Frank looked to be in his
late forties or early fifties back in what

1334
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:17.279
would have been at least the early
eighties. Yeah, so he would be

1335
01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:21.199
very old in modern time. This
movie takes place in twenty nineteen, twenty

1336
01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:27.640
twenty one, somewhere in the neighborhood. So I wonder what we'll find out

1337
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:33.520
about Frank as we continue. But
now we know that Frank is raising babies

1338
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:38.319
down there, and is this is
this a good spot for you to talk

1339
01:37:38.359 --> 01:37:45.199
about the real world horrors that this
is probably loosely based on I believe so.

1340
01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:49.880
So when we were watching the movie, I was struck because there is

1341
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:59.319
a true crime case that is yerily
similar to this, and it's called the

1342
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:04.239
Fritzl case. It emerged in two
thousand and eight, which is not too

1343
01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:10.000
long ago, which makes it which
makes it even scarier that this was so

1344
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:13.359
modern. But it was in Austria. But it was in Austria, so

1345
01:38:13.399 --> 01:38:15.000
we're good as long as you don't
go to Austria. It's a lot of

1346
01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:19.439
weird cases like this that happened in
Austria. I just want to know what's

1347
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:23.840
going on over there. I don't
want to know right away over here.

1348
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:34.399
You're right. So what had happened
is a man named Joseph Fritzel had been

1349
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:45.000
building basically an underground bunker unbeknownst to
anyone in his family, and when his

1350
01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:49.640
daughter Elizabeth was eighteen years old,
he'd asked her to come down to the

1351
01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:57.520
basement because he needed help with something, and he locked her in the basement

1352
01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:04.000
in a very very creepy and very
similar to this underground bunker that he had

1353
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:12.640
handbuilt himself, that was full of
all these little dead drops and all these

1354
01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:16.119
little rooms. He'd even built a
room that was like a kitchen, fully

1355
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.920
functional, like a fully functional kitchen. He trapped his eighteen year old daughter

1356
01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:25.479
down there, and he told his
wife that his daughter ran away. Yes,

1357
01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:31.479
And then immediately he started taking sexual
advantage of his daughter and they started

1358
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:41.560
having babies. Their first baby died, and what happened with that baby is,

1359
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:45.840
according to him, he tried to
cremate it. According to other people,

1360
01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:48.880
he just threw it and to a
burnpile and just burned it and to

1361
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:53.920
Because you know, this is pretty
gruesome and not necessarily about the movie.

1362
01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:58.800
He had many children with his daughter
down there, and they were forced to

1363
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:00.159
live down there. Now, this
is the part that's gonna make your jaw

1364
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:11.000
friggin drop. Eventually he got caught
because one of his kids down there got

1365
01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:14.720
so sick he had to take them
to hospital. The kid was eighteen or

1366
01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:19.199
nineteen years old. So he was
doing that for almost thirty years, twenty

1367
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:24.760
four years. And that's the part
that is jaw dropping. But what's even

1368
01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:29.279
more jaw dropping we'll have to discuss
after we get back from this commercial break,

1369
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:46.399
and we are back getting close to
the truly thrilling conclusion of Barbarian And

1370
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:49.600
there is so much to unpack in
this film. And I want to mention

1371
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:53.359
again this was your idea, This
was the one you wanted to cover.

1372
01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:57.439
And I'm so happy that we've we've
been talking about it because I've learned things

1373
01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:00.399
about what I think of the movie
just sitting here and talk talking to you

1374
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.000
about it. So you want to
take the lead, or what's the next

1375
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:13.800
kid? While we were talking about
the Fritzle case the similarities therein and Pete

1376
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:18.279
like his wife didn't know no well
or at least denied it heavily, because

1377
01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:25.119
he forced his daughter to write several
letters that he would take to the police,

1378
01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:27.840
where she would basically say like,
yeah, I just couldn't deal with

1379
01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:32.640
it. I ran away. And
of the of the six surviving children that

1380
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:39.439
he would have again with his daughter, right three of them, he put

1381
01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:44.680
them on the doorstep of his family
home, claiming that his daughter just dropped

1382
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:47.279
them off and now they've got to
take care of him. So his wife

1383
01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:53.560
raised basically her grandchildren, not not
really knowing the true horror that was going

1384
01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:57.560
on. Yeah, and then yeah, two thousand and eight, one of

1385
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:03.560
his kids, one of his basement
children, got severely ill, so he

1386
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:08.359
had to take her to the hospital, and the hospital was saying, like

1387
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:12.439
this child is so malnourished and underdeveloped, we need to speak to her mother.

1388
01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:17.119
That's where he finally brought his daughter
Elizabeth up, and eventually it came

1389
01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:27.720
to light what had happened. But
that true story is so very similar to

1390
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.560
the backstory of Barbarian that I wanted
to touch on it. They didn't have

1391
01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:38.359
to massage the truth at all,
because this actually happened, and not that

1392
01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:43.600
long ago. No, not long
ago at all. And so now we've

1393
01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:50.760
got Gosh, Justin Long is in
the cavern and he's going to find Frank

1394
01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:54.960
eventually. Yeah, I mean,
I know we're jumping ahead a bit,

1395
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:57.479
but I mean we have talked a
lot about it. Yeah, we can,

1396
01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:00.520
we can afford afford to. So
he finds Frank. And is this

1397
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.279
also at the time when Tess has
escaped. Yeah, Tess, she grabs

1398
01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:09.600
the knife, she makes a break
for it, and it's all kind of

1399
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:13.920
again smash cut the movie. We
smashed to tests, we smashed to aj

1400
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:19.079
we smashed to tests. As she's
getting away and he's going further in and

1401
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:26.079
he finds another door as the monster's
hunting him. He gets in there and

1402
01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:34.399
there's an old man, a truly
decrepitly old man who's clearly locked himself into

1403
01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:40.840
this room. Yes, and what
striking is you know, there's some decorations

1404
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:44.239
here and there. There's a lot
of beer bottles and beer can strewn about,

1405
01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:48.640
but there's a wall of VHS tapes
with things like redhead a gas station

1406
01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:56.920
written on them and women's names.
Well redheaded gas Station is I could be

1407
01:43:56.960 --> 01:44:03.640
the woman's name. Yeah, So
you know Tessa is doing her own thing,

1408
01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:06.479
right, she's trying to get the
police to help. Well, she

1409
01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:12.119
gets to the basement, the unfinished
basement, breaks the window, crawls out,

1410
01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:16.039
and then the homeless man that was
chasing her snatches her, pulls her

1411
01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:21.680
away from the scary hag who's trying
to grab her, and we realize that's

1412
01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:26.319
why he was screaming, don't go
in that house. Hey, little girl,

1413
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:31.199
don't go in that house. He
knew because he's lived there for fifteen

1414
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:38.039
years. And he's he's not only
lived there for fifteen years, but he's

1415
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:43.439
figured out how to survive her.
Yes, And he mentioned something very chilling

1416
01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:46.840
that will be poignant later, which
is she comes out at night, but

1417
01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:50.800
during the day she doesn't. Yes, So yeah, so then she calls

1418
01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:57.520
police. She looks like a crackhead, sounds like a crackheads, has has

1419
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:00.039
no idea, has no nothing,
and they is dismiss her out right.

1420
01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:04.760
Yeah. And then we go back
inside where Frank is. AJ is getting

1421
01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:09.279
acquainted to Frank by watching one of
his VHS tapes, which we do not

1422
01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:15.039
see, but we see AJ's reaction
and how absolutely mortified he is and shaken

1423
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:18.479
to his core, and he's just
crying, going, what the fuck is

1424
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:21.640
wrong with you? Like that's all
he can say, is what's wrong with

1425
01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:28.640
you? And Frank doesn't give an
answer. He pulls a gun out of

1426
01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:32.640
his out of his drawer and blows
his own brains out. Yeah, and

1427
01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:35.399
AJ thought he was going to shoot
him for insulting him, but no,

1428
01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:45.039
he shoots himself in front of AJ, leaving AJ even more terrified. So,

1429
01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:48.199
and I've got to go through my
notes because again there's so much,

1430
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:55.239
there's and forth, it's so thick. Well, so, now this young

1431
01:45:55.279 --> 01:46:00.119
woman will not go with the homeless
gentleman to safety because she knows that AJ's

1432
01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:02.079
in there, even though she doesn't
know who he is at all, has

1433
01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:08.239
no idea anything about him other than
the fact that he's also trapped in there.

1434
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.239
She has to go back to save
him, which is again a testament

1435
01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:21.119
to her unbelievably large heart. Yeah. So what Test does after the police

1436
01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:27.279
leave because it's starting to get dark
now, Yes, So Test gets in

1437
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:30.359
her car and at first you think
that she's going to drive away, but

1438
01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:32.560
no, she just positions the car
so that she's right in front of the

1439
01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:39.600
house, and when the hag bursts
through the front door, she revs it,

1440
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:44.000
yes, and traps the hag and
then runs down in there to try

1441
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.239
and help Aj because she can't.
Again, she's got a huge heart,

1442
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:49.000
so she can't just leave him down
there, and she knows what goes on

1443
01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:53.640
down there, so she even more
so does not want to leave him there.

1444
01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:58.000
Yeah, because that's a death sentence. I feel like, if you're

1445
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.640
lucky you die down there, you
know, that's any thing, Like,

1446
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:05.920
you know, they don't kill you, they keep you. Yeah. Aj

1447
01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:12.560
does take the gun and he runs. As Tess is down in the tunnel,

1448
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:17.239
she sees a light and before she
can really register what's going on,

1449
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:21.039
it's Aj and he accidentally shoots her. Yes, and he gets her like

1450
01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:28.359
in the lower area. So it's
lethal. It could be lethal though with

1451
01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:31.119
time. Yeah, it's not something
you can just you know, wrap a

1452
01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:36.000
bandage around and call it an evening. Yeah. Yeah. So they get

1453
01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:41.439
out of the house and suddenly the
hag is not dead at the car.

1454
01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:48.159
She's just gone. And so they
Tess knows exactly where to go because the

1455
01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:53.159
homeless man told her where he hides
down the water tower, down by the

1456
01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:56.680
water tower. So they go down
to the water tower. The homeless man

1457
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:01.119
takes him around the fire. He
takes him to an area that's probably in

1458
01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:03.960
the tower, because it's looked like
there it's like a little warehouse. Yeah,

1459
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:10.399
they're they're surrounded by cement. And
the homeless man kind of explains a

1460
01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:13.399
little bit more. He says,
you know, this man, Frank would

1461
01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:16.880
take women down there. He'd have
his way with them, and then they'd

1462
01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:20.039
have babies, and then he'd have
his way with the babies, have babies

1463
01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:23.159
with babies. And the way,
he said, is like making a copy

1464
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:25.680
of a copy of a copy,
and that's what you get. They end

1465
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:32.439
up not right, and AJ wants
to immediately take tests to the hospital,

1466
01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:36.000
and the homeless man says, no, it's not safe. Will wait for

1467
01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:40.359
the day because she doesn't come out
during the day, and then we can

1468
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:43.760
take her in town. And they
kind of ask like, well, how

1469
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:45.960
do you know we're safe here?
And he just kind of shrugs it off

1470
01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:49.039
and says, well, I've been
living here for fifteen years and she's never

1471
01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:54.119
gotten me here. Immediately she punches
through the wall, punches through the wall

1472
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:57.960
and kills the homeless man. And
I gotta say that was probably the most

1473
01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:00.920
predictable part of the entire movie.
Yeah, the movie's not very predictable,

1474
01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:02.720
but when he was saying that,
I was like, she's gonna do it,

1475
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:08.399
Like she's going to do the thing. So then Aj and Tests try

1476
01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:11.239
and run away. They run to
the top of the water tower. And

1477
01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:15.239
I want to mention AJ has been
up until this point obsessed with the idea

1478
01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:19.359
of getting Test to a doctor because
he feels responsible obviously shot her, even

1479
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:24.399
though it was an accident, he
feels responsible for her because she's hurt.

1480
01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:30.600
Exactly. It's worth mentioning because his
opinions and thoughts and priorities shift quite a

1481
01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:33.159
bit depending on which way the wind
is blowing. And yeah, so they

1482
01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:36.880
go up the water tower. They
go up the water tower, and I

1483
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:41.319
think it was interesting just to again
because I had mentioned a little bit of

1484
01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:46.319
AJ's character development through the movie.
He does have a moment when they're sitting

1485
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:51.840
there talking with the homeless man because
he's just watched we can only assume that

1486
01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:57.600
it's a snuff film or something similar
that he just watched, and you can

1487
01:49:57.720 --> 01:50:03.399
see in his face that they're was
recognition of He could have been that because

1488
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:08.319
he had said every every story has
two sides. Maybe this is how the

1489
01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:12.439
actress who's making accusations about him,
maybe this is how she felt. And

1490
01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:15.720
he even says, am I a
bad person? Or am I just a

1491
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:19.039
good person who did one bad thing? Well, he starts he's not talking

1492
01:50:19.079 --> 01:50:24.119
about the sexual Well he is,
but he's not. He's talking about accidentally

1493
01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:30.199
shooting tests. Yes, but he's
actually talking about maybe everything he's ever done

1494
01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:35.319
or decided in his entire life.
Because I really believe that this film's the

1495
01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:42.399
theme of this film is compartmentalization.
Yes, and that's so that's why he

1496
01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:45.079
said he's like, am I a
bad person? And he's saying is shot

1497
01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:50.119
test? But in reality he's referring
to very likely what he did to this

1498
01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:56.560
poor woman in Los Angeles? And
I agree, like powerful stuff. Oh

1499
01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:00.439
yeah, so you know they get
to the top of the water tower,

1500
01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:10.000
the Hag will not relent because she
wants her babies back, well especially wants

1501
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:14.319
really wants Tests back, because Test
was just doing what she wanted and being

1502
01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:20.399
her baby. And oh there was
something that happened that I wanted to mention.

1503
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:29.920
But when the monster the Hag is
chasing a J and eventually catches him

1504
01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:34.520
and is trying to breastfeed him,
Yes, and it's kind of interesting the

1505
01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:42.119
parallel between her holding him down and
holding his face and grabbing his throat,

1506
01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:47.399
and all he needed was a little
bit of convincing and he started breastfeeding,

1507
01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:53.560
which again goes back to his character
development. But when they're on the tower,

1508
01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:58.199
Tests obviously being injured. She can't
run as fast, she can't get

1509
01:51:58.199 --> 01:52:00.880
away, and a J. Says
like, I need you to buy me

1510
01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:04.479
time. Yeah, he says,
like I can get away. I can

1511
01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:06.960
get away, because at first it
was all about us, and I says

1512
01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:11.560
I can get away. I just
need you to slow her down. Yeah,

1513
01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:15.039
And then he makes a decision that
is jaw dropping, which is he

1514
01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:21.920
throws Tess over the side of the
water tower. But in another shocking turn

1515
01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:27.159
of events, because boy, this
movie does not mind stacking shocks as Tests

1516
01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:31.279
is falling, we see the Hag
leap off the water tower after her,

1517
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:41.359
and when they crash land, the
Hag took the brunt of the fall so

1518
01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:48.520
that Tess would land on top of
her, which then allows Aj to try

1519
01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:51.800
to be the hero again and be
like, I'll help you Test. You

1520
01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:55.840
know, I had no choice ye
in the matter. I didn't even push

1521
01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:00.239
you. You fell, you slept, And he starts compartmentalizing again as he's

1522
01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:04.439
telling her what happened, what just
happened. It's being rewritten live as it's

1523
01:53:04.439 --> 01:53:08.520
coming out of his mouth. I
didn't mean to, like I mean,

1524
01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:10.720
it was the only way I could
get away at the time, and I

1525
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:13.399
didn't want to, but I had
to. And and I didn't even let

1526
01:53:13.439 --> 01:53:15.399
go, like your hand slipped out
of my hand and I wasn't I wasn't

1527
01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.479
even trying to do that. And
all of a sudden, it's like you

1528
01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:21.279
started this sentence with that you did
it on purpose because you had to,

1529
01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:27.359
and it ended with you didn't even
mean to yep. And that's where I

1530
01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:40.199
think something really important comes up.
He believes the story that benefits him in

1531
01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:46.760
every scenario. Find you know,
I have an interaction with a woman that

1532
01:53:47.359 --> 01:53:54.399
was probably sexual assault. Maybe it
wasn't buy a house in the middle of

1533
01:53:54.399 --> 01:53:59.760
a bad neighborhood. Well, whatever, this house will be nice. Find

1534
01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:04.479
hat of combs that are clearly dangerous
under your home. I could have more

1535
01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:11.600
square footage to market. Almost try
to sacrifice somebody to save your own life.

1536
01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:15.319
Well, I I'm so glad you're
okay. I'm gonna save you.

1537
01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:24.520
I'm even sound like I'm a hero
this. He is so so all about

1538
01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:30.159
himself and the narrative that comforts him. Yes, and everything is painted with

1539
01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:40.199
compartmentalization and the nile everything down to
us literally watching him rework the details as

1540
01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:44.560
he's saying them out loud to make
it that he's saving tests and would never

1541
01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:49.239
have hurt her and it was an
accident anyway. Yeah, he is such

1542
01:54:49.479 --> 01:54:58.600
a dire narcissist. He is beyond
reproach And I what do you I would

1543
01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:00.319
love to hear your thought on that, because I I just I mean,

1544
01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:04.800
no, you you took the words
right out of my mouth. Because that's

1545
01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:11.720
that's kind of the thing. The
reason the reason his character is so memorable

1546
01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:15.439
to me is because there is development, but there's no actual growth. And

1547
01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:20.159
that's why I say that his character
development is interesting because you start to peel

1548
01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:27.199
back the layers, but each layer
is just more and more denial, and

1549
01:55:27.279 --> 01:55:30.159
more and more narcissism and more and
more like he's the victim and it's all

1550
01:55:30.199 --> 01:55:34.279
about him, and you realize like
there is no growth for someone like this,

1551
01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:41.640
which is pretty interesting because hey,
guess what. The Hag still isn't

1552
01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:48.920
dead, and she attacks him,
gouges his eyeballs out and then tears his

1553
01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:57.359
head in half. Yep. And
then, as if that wasn't enough,

1554
01:55:58.039 --> 01:56:02.159
then she turns to Tests and starts
trying to comfort her like a little baby,

1555
01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:11.600
and makes cooing noises bah bah bah, and starts caressing her face and

1556
01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:15.920
gets really really upset when she sees
the open wound on Testa's side, and

1557
01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:19.119
then wants to take her home because
to her home is the home is safe.

1558
01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:26.439
So Tess she goes along with it
just a little bit, but only

1559
01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:32.560
enough to keep the Hag distracted so
that she can get the gun and then

1560
01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:39.359
just blows the Hag away. Yeah, and it's really cool because as the

1561
01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:44.920
as the credits are rolling, Tests
is walking through this dilapidated neighborhood and she's

1562
01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:48.640
not well at all, not even
a little bit, when the sun is

1563
01:56:48.720 --> 01:56:56.640
just barely cresting, just barely cresting
the sky. And so it's it's kind

1564
01:56:56.640 --> 01:57:00.000
of this thing like, not only
has she reached safety because she's killed them

1565
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:08.680
monster, she's also safe because now
it's daylight. Yeah, and that's kind

1566
01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:14.119
of again it beautiful storytelling, visual
story throughout, But that was just a

1567
01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.119
great way to end the movie.
Is just like, you know that Tess

1568
01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:20.279
revives in some capacity, Is she
okay? Now? No? But that's

1569
01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:23.640
the end of the story. Yeah, that's not what the story is about.

1570
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:28.600
The story is about she got through
it and in the end, overall,

1571
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:32.720
aj died because he did not face
reality of any situation. Ever,

1572
01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:38.239
he faced a convenient reality, just
like when he painted over the door lock

1573
01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:42.560
and the friggin basement, just like
when he you know, bought this house

1574
01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:45.600
and hoped it would make him a
ton of money. Just like when he

1575
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:49.720
hurt that woman deeply and then denied
that he had a part in it.

1576
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:55.920
Yeah, he is just a nightmare. Yeah. I still don't know why

1577
01:57:55.960 --> 01:58:01.680
the film is called Barbarian, but
I love it. Well. I think

1578
01:58:01.720 --> 01:58:05.359
part of it was they're on Barbarie
Avenue. All right, now I'm gonna

1579
01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:10.279
I'm tired of you. You've you've
overstayed your welcome. That could be no,

1580
01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:13.399
that could be so. But you
have anything else you want to say

1581
01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:15.079
about the film Barbarian which, by
the way, if you've listened to all

1582
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:19.000
of this and you want to rewatch
it, I pray you haven't not watched

1583
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:21.520
it already, because we do spoil, and we warn you we spoil.

1584
01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:26.720
But it is available to watch on
Max right now. No. I just

1585
01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:30.600
think that this is a fun one
and a lot easier to get through than

1586
01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:38.119
funny games. Yeah. I've had
a dental surgery that was easier to get

1587
01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:41.279
through than funny games. So yeah, this one, I would say,

1588
01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:44.399
like, just watch it because it
is creepy, it is a good time,

1589
01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:47.000
there's a lot of good character development, a lot of good visual storytelling,

1590
01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:53.279
and it's overall fun. I would
say it's a fun ride. I

1591
01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:57.319
would say it's a fun it's a
fun ride overall, even if it's a

1592
01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:01.319
bit painful. It has a lot
of serious stuff in it, which is

1593
01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:04.199
one of the reasons we brought it
here. And it has a lot of

1594
01:59:04.199 --> 01:59:09.560
subtext, or at least a lot
of space for us to imagine subtext and

1595
01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:15.159
gaslight our own audience, which is
always the fun part, and real quick

1596
01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:17.119
before we get out of here,
and we'll be back in a week or

1597
01:59:17.159 --> 01:59:19.479
two. You know, we try
to do this show at least twice a

1598
01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:23.359
month, but we're still new.
I want to say a special thanks to

1599
01:59:23.399 --> 01:59:28.319
Christy Gordon over on Patreon. She
has been writing in to most of the

1600
01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:31.319
episodes we've done. She wrote me
a really nice thought out letter about Possession.

1601
01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:34.159
I would read it on the air, but you have not seen Possession,

1602
01:59:34.279 --> 01:59:39.119
so I don't think your input would
be helpful. I think it would

1603
01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:43.399
just confuse you further, as if
Possession wouldn't confuse you enough. But we're

1604
01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:45.520
gonna wrap it up right now.
Thank you so much for tuning in to

1605
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:50.000
cutting deep into horror. I've been
Enrique Kuto here with Rachel Radolphie. Oh,

1606
01:59:50.039 --> 01:59:53.119
I see, I see you want
to see your own name. But

1607
01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:55.720
I want to thank you for listening
so much, and I want to remind

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you if you want to support what
we're doing here, head over to Weekly

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Spooky dot com and click on Patreon. For as little as one dollar a

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month, you can make sure we
bring all kinds of content like this to

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the light and especially I want to
thank our Patreon podcast boosters, folks who

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pay just a little bit more to
hear their names on the show. And

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they are Johnny Nicks, bobbletopia dot
Com, Megan Hua, Julia Kirsh,

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Brent mccallaugh, Steve King, Karen
We met, Jack Kerr and Craig Cohen.

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Thank you all so much, and
thank you to our executive producer,

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Rob Fields, our producer Dan Wilder, and the composer of our theme song,

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Gray Maddis. We'll see you all
next time right here on cutting deep

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into horror, and until then,
make sure you properly calculate your square footage.

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Goodnight, everybody,