Dec. 12, 2025

Cutting Deep into Horror | Wind Chill (2007) – Emily Blunt’s Snowbound Christmas Ghost Story

Cutting Deep into Horror | Wind Chill (2007) – Emily Blunt’s Snowbound Christmas Ghost Story
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Looking for a cozy-but-creepy Christmas horror movie to watch while the snow piles up outside? On this episode of Cutting Deep into Horror, hosts Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfi dig into Wind Chill (2007), a snowbound Christmas ghost story directed by Gregory Jacobs and starring Emily Blunt and Ashton Holmes. Set the day before Christmas Eve on an icy Pennsylvania back road, Wind Chill strands two college students in a broken-down car, trapped in a supernatural time loop with vengeful ghosts, a corrupt highway patrolman, and deadly subzero wind chills that feel all too real.

Henrique and Rachael break down why winter horror hits so hard, from the primal fear of being stuck in the cold to the way snow turns a lonely road into a coffin made of ice. They unpack the film’s themes of trauma, vulnerability, and bad choices, exploring how a simple ride share home for the holidays becomes a story about boundaries, obsession, and the ghosts—literal and emotional—that won’t stay buried.

You’ll hear why Wind Chill has become one of Henrique’s go-to cold-weather watches, how Emily Blunt’s performance hints at the superstar she’d become, and why Christmas ghost stories feel like the perfect counter-programming to warm, cozy holiday specials. Along the way, they share their own memories of brutal Midwestern wind chills, talk about what it’s like to actually work in negative-20-degree weather, and compare real-life cold to the movie’s white-knuckle survival stakes.
Whether you’re new to Wind Chill or revisiting it as part of your holiday horror marathon, this episode dives into the film’s looping structure, ghostly mythology, and that unforgettable crooked cop, tying it all to ideas of eternal recurrence and what it means to finally break out of the past. It’s a perfect listen if you love Christmas-set horror, snowbound thrillers, or underrated 2000s genre gems that deserved more love than their modest box office runs suggest.
Inside this episode:

  • Christmas road-trip horror: Why a simple rideshare home for the holidays is the perfect setup for a chilly Christmas ghost story and how Wind Chill uses a lonely back road to trap its characters in a supernatural bubble.
  • Trauma, boundaries, and vulnerability: How the Girl and the Guy’s messy emotional lives are just as dangerous as the crash, and why the movie hits differently if you’ve ever dealt with parasocial crushes, people-pleasing, or anxiety.
  • Emily Blunt before blockbuster fame: A look at how Wind Chill showcases Blunt’s range early on, and why this under-the-radar Christmas horror is a must-watch for her fans.
  • Ghost stories at Christmas: The long tradition of telling Christmas ghost stories and where Wind Chill fits alongside other wintry horror staples the hosts love to revisit each year.
  • The terror of real cold: Henrique’s firsthand stories of working in savage wind chills and how that lived experience makes Wind Chill’s frozen setting feel even more nightmarish.
  • Loops, ghosts, and eternal recurrence: What Wind Chill is really saying about being stuck in the same patterns, and how the film’s time loop and ghosts of 1953 tie into ideas of fate, choice, and escape.

So grab a blanket, pour a hot drink, and queue up Wind Chill—then join Henrique and Rachael as they cut deep into holiday horror, one icy back road at a time.Where to watch Wind Chill (U.S.)
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It's so cold out here. I can't believe you brought

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me all this way and you took some some short

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cut off of the Interstate in snow, coming down like

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this outside of the Pocono Mountains.

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Well, no, see, I know it sounds crazy, but I

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got a good feeling about this, because you know.

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That's good, because I have no feeling at all. That's

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how cold I am.

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Let me just turn the heat up in the car

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just a little, I mean, just turn it up a

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You can you can? Uh? I mean, here's some duct tape.

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I'll patch you up. So why why why would we

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get off the highway? Because this way, middle of winter?

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straight straight shot and we can just stop.

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don't think I can.

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I'm really really cold. And how long are we supposed

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been plowed.

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with them. You you are lame as hell. So no, sorry,

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This podcast is about why Horse airs us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is cutting

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deep into horror.

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Hello, my spookys, and welcome to this first of at

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least a couple Christmas time cutting deep into horrors. I'm,

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of course, your host, Enrique Kuto, here with my cutting

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deep into horror co host and fledgling improv actress Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel,

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how are you?

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I'm doing all right? I need to work on my

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yes has well.

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I mean it was a risk having you be the

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person who drove us out there, but here we are

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so but tonight we're talking about the two thousand and

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seven film wind Chill, which I have been a huge

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fan of for as long as I can remember, well,

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I mean, give or take. I think I saw this film,

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and I would say it was probably two thousand and

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nine was when I first saw it. Man, I've always

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thought it was a great film, and it's one of

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those though it's definitely underrated because every person I talk

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to who loves this movie will be like, well, you

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know about wind Chill, Like that's a great movie. So

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I think that alone suggests it is very much a

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kind of a under the radar cult gem. Yeah, what

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do you say? What say you?

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I mean, I haven't heard very many other people talk

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about wind Chill.

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Yeah, it's yeah, it definitely kind of came and went.

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But is super duper available to watch, by the way,

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so if you've never seen the film, you may want

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to give it a watch before we spoil everything while

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we talk about it. You can find it on Netflix

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with your subscription right now, which a lot of people

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have Netflix. But if you don't have Netflix, it is

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free on two B and free on the Roku channel.

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don't like advertisements, and you don't like Netflix, you can

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rent it on Amazon Prime, you can rent it on

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Google Play, you can rent it on YouTube, you can

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rent it on Apple TV, and of course fan Dango

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at home. So it's basically wherever you rent your movies,

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that's where you could see wind chill and it's a

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pretty Yeah, it's a pretty fun, very wintry, very I

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won't say very christmas y. It's more wintry than Christmasy,

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but it is set at Christmas time. I'm just saying.

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It's not like we're maggoty with lights and stuff, but

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it is a Christmas time movie is set on Christmas Break,

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the beginning of Christmas Break. The long short of the

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plot is basically two college students go on a road

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trip to what was it to? You don't remember, do YOUA?

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I remember them talking about Delaware?

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way to Delaware and they end up crashed on the

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side of the road. But also one of the people,

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the driver, may not exactly be who he said he was,

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play that element up a ton a ton. So, but

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I feel like the movie is much more about the

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fact that they're very clearly on a haunted stretch of road,

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and the way that the ghosts are depicted is not

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super common in a really fun way. So I really

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can't recommend wind Chill enough for that creepy, spooky vibe vibe.

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I'm a big, big, staunch believer in the ghost stories

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and horror movies for Christmas kind of deal. I mean,

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ghost stories at Christmas is a very old tradition, and

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where it's at. I mean, I think Christmas movies are

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where it's at because it's the only time of year

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where everything is different, where everything is you know, decorated

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or what have you. It's just, yeah, it's just different,

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is one way to put it, I guess.

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more specific to your experience. You know, when you watch

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a movie and its set at Christmas, you're like, oh, yeah,

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that time of year. So yeah, and this one ranks

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highly for me of kind of underrated Christmas time movies.

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And then of course, I my other favorite movie setting

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is snow, which this has a lot of a ton

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of snow for mid to late December in the Poconos.

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It's a lot of snow. Actually, yeah, so, but yeah,

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I don't always get that. You don't always get both.

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no Christmas. Sometimes you get a Christmas movie and there's

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no snow.

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You know.

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So, but this is both.

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This is both and unlike I think it was last year,

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was its no? Last year? I think we did better

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watch out. It was the year before I think was

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when we did Silent Night Deadly Night, yes, or or

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maybe it wasn't, or maybe it was last year. I

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don't remember exactly, but the year before. Okay, wow, we've

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been doing the show that long.

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Wow, Well, I mean that was a great episode because

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I have a million things to say about Silent Night

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Deadly Night, and you should be watching that people out there.

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And by the way, for those who really enjoy Cutting

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, but when we get back, we're gonna dig

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into a little bit more of the details of windnes

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Chill and maybe Rachel will say something no right after this. So,

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as we mentioned, wind Chill made in tooth Well, released

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in two thousand and seven. It's directed by a guy

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named Gregory Jacobs, who I don't believe has directed that

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much else. He directed Magic Mike XXL in twenty fifteen,

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which makes sense because Stephen Soderberg was a producer on

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wind Chill. Yes, and Soderbergh was the director of the

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original Magic Mike. And before that, he did a movie

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in two thousand and four called Criminal, which has John

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c Riley in it. I had not heard about it

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but or heard of it, but yeah, oh, and it

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was also produced by George Clooney and Soderberg, So there

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you go on that. And then he did a movie, well,

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he wrote a movie in twenty fifteen called Blackway, which

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actually had seen. It's pretty good little thriller. And it

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looks like he's been producing way more. Oh okay, yeah,

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he's been producing a ton more. He produced Logan Lucky

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Edge of Tomorrow, which we both are fans of, the

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movie Dog, which I really liked. Magic Mike's last Dance

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Black Bag, which is Soderberg movie that I really liked

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about two a married couple who are both in intelligence.

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Oh they're both spies. Basically, that was super good. I

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caught that in the theater and really really liked it.

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so not his debut, which is too bad because that

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always makes movies more charming when you hear it's like

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their directorial debut. Althways from Harrington Park, New Jersey. So

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no wonder he wanted to set it in the Poconose. So,

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and it's written by Joe Gangemi and Stephen A. Katz,

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who let's see, they worked on Shadow of the Vampire

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and they were mostly short story writers. Mostly it looks

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like so fun.

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I was looking up little factoids about Windchill and apparently

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Stephen Katz is just Joe Gamme's pseudonym. Really yeah or

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Joe Yeah. Katz wrote the first draft under a pen

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name to separate this project from his screenwriting work on

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Shadow of the Vampire.

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Really, that's wild because they both are credited on IMDb

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as well as individual wild people.

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Well, this could be this could be wrong.

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Where'd you get it from? I'm chatch ept Oh did

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you ask it to see if it was telling the truth?

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No, I didn't.

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Because I am pretty sure they're not the same person. Like,

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I'm pretty sure that they're both in the Yeah, they're

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they're two different people. They're both in the making of

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Windschill sitting next to each other.

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Well, never mind.

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Joseph is an American screenwriter and novelist from Wilmington, Delaware. Yeah,

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and uh.

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Yeah, there the Delaware there you go.

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Jeez, what what what? What did you do?

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I'm awful.

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Why'd you got to do that?

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I'm sorry.

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See you were like, I'm going to help, and I

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was like, oh no, this is going to hurt so

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much more. Hell is coming with you be in Hell

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for breakfast. But but no, So, I mean, it's a

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it's a pretty uh solid excuse me, a pretty solid

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little team that came together. Apparently the concept came about

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because Joe Gengemi and Stephen Katz came up with the

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idea of people stuck in a car and called it

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the tiniest Haunted House. That's what I recall. There isn't

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an American Blu Ray release that is not a three pack.

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By the way, if you want to collect this. You

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either have to buy the Australian copy, which I'm debating

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trying to grab one, or you can get a three

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pack alongside Perfect Stranger and Straight Heads, which is what

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I have currently. But I just watched it on digital. Anyway,

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I'm getting into the weeds. I also was trying really

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hard to see if anybody was claiming Stephen Katz and

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Joseph can get me with the same person and so

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far No, no, I mean it's still no, It's really

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not possible. No boy howdy No anyway.

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Well anyway, boo, I tried it.

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Boo, this woman boo.

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But no.

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very simple, although I would say big in scale for

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a film that mostly features just two people. Yeah, not

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solely two people. There are other characters that pop in

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and out, but for the most part we're in the

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car and around the car with them after they've crashed

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on State Route six oh six in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and

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from what I understand, they filled it in Vancouver and

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it was very very cold.

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It looks very cold.

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So yeah, and that's one of the things that I

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love about this movie is how oppressively cold it is throughout.

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of reprieve they go someplace where it feels kind of

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warm and cozy, but there is none of that in

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this movie.

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They're stuck on the side of the road and there's

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like a legendary cold snowstorm coming through and they expect

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wind chills to get as low as a negative thirty,

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which I have worked in a negative twenty. Roughly, it

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was like fifty to twenty degree winchell, this is fahrenheit

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and it was hell. Ah. I was operating camera and

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if you don't have gloves on your fingers, just they started.

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They frozen ached immediately. It was It was vicious. But

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the worst part was because it was the wind chill

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that was that cold. You could stand there and just

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be a bit cold, and then the wind would gust

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and you would be it would be like ten degrees

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fifteen degrees colder in that gust yep. That polar vortex

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is for real.

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So no, thank you.

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But now, as far as the cast worth mentioning, no

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characters in the film have names.

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Yeah I love that.

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Yeah, nobody's ever named, which which is not a totally

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unheard of concept. One of my favorite films They Live,

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starring Rowdy Roddy Piper. Everyone has a name except the

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main character. He never tells anyone his name in the

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entire film, so they actually credited him as Nada because

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he didn't have a name. So I do appreciate stuff

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like that. I also, you know, it's it's funny because

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usually you want to like give people names, their characters'

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names to help them connect with the character more. But

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in this one, there's such a degree of like anonymity. Yeah,

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that is kind of interesting. But what we have the

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lead in this film is a very young Emily Blunt,

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who went on to become one of the biggest names

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in Hollywood. Yeah, I mean, she's still a pretty damn

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big name in Hollywood. This would have been right before

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she went on to do like The Devil Wears Prada

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and stuff like that. Trying to find like an exact

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time frame of her acting credits for that, but I

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mean she's you know, obviously, let's see so she did.

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did The Devil's Devilwar's Prada. Oh wow, So I'm guessing

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it was before it was before it came out or

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before it became a huge hit. But she was in

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Germo del Toro's Wolfman. She was in Gulliver's Travels in

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twenty ten. She was in the five yearing Engagement Looper

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Edge of Tomorrow. Yeah, it all comes back to the

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Edge of Tomorrow. She was in Sacario. She was the

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lead in Cacario, which is phenomenal, one of my favorite movies.

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I mean, I'm just picking little ones, like she was

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obviously the lead in A Quiet Place, In a Quiet

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Place Part two, and then she was an Oppenheimer. Man.

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She's been in so much and oh yeah, and she

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was just in The Smashing Machine, the UFC biopic that

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I saw in the theater. Man she was so she

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was like unrecognizable as that character. She she transformed herself

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in very much to play that character. Oh wow, So,

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I'm guessing you don't know who Emmon Lebland.

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Is off once you once you started listing some of

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her credits, I was able to kind of remember what

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she's been in. Oh yeah, yeah.

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get back, we'll talk about our leading man with the

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name guy right after this. Playing guy is Ashton Holmes,

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who you might recognize from a History of Violence, very

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polarizing and intense film by David Cronenberg. He was also

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well known for being in the mini series The Pacific

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on HBO, on the CW action thriller series Nikita, and

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as Tyler Beryl on ABC's Revenge. So he had a

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pretty decent career himself, although I mean Emily Blunt is

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like a one in a million career. Yeah, just insane,

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how how much work she's done in such a twenty

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some year period of time. She's also married to John Krasinski,

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which I mean that A Quiet Place was like their

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passion project they did together. So yeah, very very cool,

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very interesting. It's always wild to see somebody start. I mean,

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this is not the tiniest movie they I think the

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budget was a little like maybe five to ten million dollars.

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It's not published anywhere, but it's probably in that neighborhood.

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So it wasn't a you know, a super cheap affair,

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but it was a smaller movie. Her character is definitely

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like a showcase for her. Oh yeah, she gets to

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have a lot of emotions, she gets to be funny.

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She gets to be you know, she gets to be

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the hot girl, she gets to be the mean girl,

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she gets to be the scared girl, she gets to

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kind of do everything.

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Yeah. The range that she has throughout the entire movie,

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well both of them though.

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Oh without a doubt. I'm just saying. I mean, she's

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the lead. Oh yeah, So I mean the ending when

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she's crying and stuff is just really I mean, it's

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it's all her, you know, she's just running with that ball.

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Yo yo yo. So the first time I saw this

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film was it was I believe it was two thousand

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and nine when I moved back to Ohio. The first

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year maybe, and some change that I was here was

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pretty depressing. I didn't have a job, I didn't have

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much of anything, and I had been living in Jersey

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for three years and I had to get rid of

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most of my stuff to make the move back and

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dah da da da. But one thing I refused to

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do was allow like holiday seasonal depression to get to me.

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I was very adamant that I wouldn't let that happen.

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So I I was on a mission to find Christmas movies,

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and in particular Christmas horror movies that year, and I

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was watching them every single night, and almost exclusively new

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ones to me. In fact, that's how I discovered all

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of the Silent Night Deadly Night movies, because I'd only

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ever seen the first and second one because those were

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very readily available.

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I was pretty broke back then, so I was pirrating

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like everything. I just I was unashamed at that time,

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and I managed to get like all five Silent Night

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Deadly Nights. I remember because I literally watched the first

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Silent Night Deadly And at like eleven am on Christmas

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Day and then went to dinner and then came back

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and just was watching them all in a row. I

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watched all five in a day.

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As one should.

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As one should. It was not a terrible Christmas. I

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mean I came home with a giant plate of devil

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eggs and just shovel them into my head.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, my mom's devil eggs are special. So yeah, she

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used to make me a trade just for me that

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were like separate from everything that had my name on them.

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So that's but so in that I discovered wind Chill

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just from googling like Christmas time horror movies. That's it.

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So I believe I downloaded it. Maybe maybe it was

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on a streaming service, but in nine I barely even

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had Netflix yet. Yeah, so I remember watching it, really

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being floored by it, finding it so creepy. I didn't

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even have a television. I was watching everything on my

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iMac next to where I slept, like I would turn

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it to where I laid to sleep. A very depressing time.

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I mean better than when I was living in my car,

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but like it was, it was pretty depressing. But I

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love that one. I thought that the earnestness of the

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characters was really solid. I thought that the setting was

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super engrossing. And I think setting an atmosphere can do

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so much for a horror movie. So this one, having

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the snowy, the snowy atmosphere, you know, really pulls you in.

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Mm hmm. I agree. Well, the first time I saw it,

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you showed it to me.

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Of course, I feel like that's most people in the world.

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Yeah, yeah, you you single handedly helped introduce it to

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the whole world. It feels like it sometimes, but no,

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we uh, it was one winter and you and I

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we love to watch snow movies. When there's a snowstorm.

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Oh there's nothing that beats it.

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Yeah, there's It's like one of our favorite things. So

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there was one time where there was like gonna be

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a big snowstorm. So I came over and uh, I

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think I like spent the night with you and hunkered down.

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Oh yeah, probably I probably made I probably made soup. Yeah,

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that's usually my move is to make soup.

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Come over, I'll make soup.

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Do you remember that time there was a giant snowstorm

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coming on Friday, and and uh, I think I can't remember.

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I think you were there. It was a long time ago,

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but there was a huge snowstorm coming and Dave was

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going to come down to hang out, and I convinced him,

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like rush down ahead of the storm and then just

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hunker down and we'll watch we'll watch movies. And I

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had stuff. I was like, I'll make I'll make soup

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the next day. So Dave and I ran out and

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got Bruin Bruce pizza while the snow was pummeling down.

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And then yeah, he ended up like because he was

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like try up here till like Saturday night. Yeah, that

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was what the cars were or the roads were plowed. No,

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I I had nothing beats getting snowed in as long

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as you have enough food and heat and everything you need.

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Yeah, and toilet paper. I guess that falls under everything

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you need. I would say, so, yeah, so you showed me,

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uh so, Yeah, you showed me wind chill, and you'd

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been hyping it up for quite a while, and when

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we finally got like the perfect snowstorm, we watched it,

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and I was just blown away by the atmosphere, by

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the pacing, by how tense it was without being like

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full of jump scares.

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Sure, it's got a few, it's got a few.

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But it's it's not like your classic. It's not like

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a slasher movie.

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No, not at all.

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It's it's very much a psychological thriller, kind of slow Burn,

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which you said, And and it was one of those

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movies that I just kept thinking about for like several

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days afterward, because it gives you a lot to think about,

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and watching it this second time, I feel like there

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was a few things that I had missed the first

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time around that I was able to catch this time.

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Yeah, and.

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Just really gave me a even better appreciation for such

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an underrated movie. Hmmm.

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I don't know if I believe you, but but no, No,

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it is a really great one to put on and

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get you a hot bull of soup or a pizza

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or something and just take it in. And because of

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the time that we're recording this, were actually recording this

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right before Thanksgiving because I've got my work cut out

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for me in December. This was the first Christmas movie

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of the season I've watched, so which I'm not mad about.

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It's just kind of funny that it turned out that way.

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It worked out that way so well, We're going to

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dive into the concepts and the story beats of wind

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Chill right after this. So we go to a college.

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It's actually Pennsylvania University. Ooh pu, I'm sure that has

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never that joke has never happened before. I can't pretend

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that I know. I can't pretend I know on that one.

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But I will say that every time I watch this movie,

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I seem to forget it's set in Pennsylvania, and I

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figure it out, and then as soon as I figure

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it out, I remember that I figured it out that

455
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:41.759
way last time.

456
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.039
It's almost like you're stuck in a time loop.

457
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.759
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA are you trying to bring up? Friggin

458
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:55.240
eternal recurrence maybe, which which technically eternal return or eternal recurrence,

459
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.319
by the way, is the the concept Nietzschee was exploring apparently.

460
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.119
Yeah so, but but we'll get into that more later.

461
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.680
But so we meet girl I believe that was her

462
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.599
credited name. Yeah, girl, Girl and guy. I couldn't. I

463
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.079
thought it was two g's Girl and guy two g's.

464
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:18.680
But but we we see them on the college campus

465
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.240
and this opening, I think maybe this is another reason,

466
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.599
you tell me, I think this is another reason the

467
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.200
movie feels really comfy and cozy. The opening where we're

468
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:33.960
at the college campus. It's just nostalgic as shit. I mean,

469
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.200
the funny thing. It's funny now thinking I watched the

470
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.200
movie for the first time in nine when it was

471
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.000
basically then. I mean, O seven and O nine are

472
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.599
not that different from each other. No, it is wild.

473
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.559
Did you how did you feel the first time you

474
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:51.240
saw a movie and noticed that they were showing cell

475
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.480
phones from like two thousand and eight, and you realized

476
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.000
it felt different, like a different time than now, but

477
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.279
that was the time you lived in, Like what was

478
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.799
that like? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was probably the

479
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.359
Big Short. The Big Short was the one for me

480
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.160
where I was like, oh man, they really well and

481
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.480
breaking Bad because Breaking Bad takes place in like I

482
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:14.079
think nine or twenty ten, and then the whole thing,

483
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.359
even though it took like eight years to finish, is

484
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.880
like eighteen months. Yeah, so they had to keep everything

485
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.279
with the old phones and stuff like that. But it's

486
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:28.359
funny because society and trends, they they they are not

487
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:32.400
as aggressive to change now as as they were. Like

488
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.359
if you look at the difference between nineteen eighty one

489
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.319
and nineteen ninety one, it's pretty pretty big. Yeah, nineteen

490
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.400
ninety one to two thousand and one huge, two thousand

491
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.240
and one to twenty eleven decent, twenty eleven to twenty twenty

492
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.400
one A bit, yeah, it's but at that point it's

493
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.599
almost all utilitarian. It's like, well, the phones are different, yeah,

494
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.039
clothes aren't that different. Although I think some of that

495
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.359
some people say that's like a symbol that we're like

496
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:01.480
losing our collective like identity. They're not collective identity, or

497
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:02.720
maybe that's kind of a way to put it, but

498
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:07.000
like we're losing that that that thing, that oomph that

499
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.240
makes us different from generation to generation. I kind of

500
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.039
disagree I think that it's the opposite. I think we're

501
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.519
losing the trend chasing. I think trend chasing is way

502
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.640
less common now in the East, in America, where we are,

503
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.759
I think trend chasing is way less common now. So

504
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:30.400
only the most you know, vapid are chasing whatever is

505
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.960
cool in that moment. I think the average person just

506
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.160
can go can pick a pair of pants they like,

507
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.200
can pick a shirt they like, and we have a

508
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.400
million options too, So it's kind of like, to me,

509
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.960
it's almos. It's almost like like extreme individuality has has

510
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.480
like an over like a cloaking appearance of homogeny, when

511
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.039
in reality it's it's not. It's just if everybody's wearing

512
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.319
exactly what they want, then that just kind of looks normal. Yeah,

513
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.920
you know, because we don't have the baggy jeans. You know,

514
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.599
we don't have the the the junko jeans and the

515
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.880
wallet chains anymore. Like that's what we grew up people were,

516
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.640
you know, we don't have the navel rings. Rachel had

517
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.640
a naval ring. She was a two thousands kid who

518
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:16.079
wore a naval ring. But you're the one who admitted

519
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:20.559
it to me. That's your own fault. So but but no, So,

520
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.559
so that was a little bit of a tangent. But

521
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.599
I really do think that there's something to that. But

522
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.319
that being said a movie in two thousand and seven,

523
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.400
especially when that's shot in two thousand and seven, but

524
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:35.079
not literally in or not pretending to be in two

525
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:36.720
thousands of not set in two thousand and seven, it

526
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.680
just is Yeah, I think that, Yeah, there's a coziness

527
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.799
to it. You know, everybody's like in college. I ever

528
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.960
went to college, but like they're all young and like

529
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.720
they've got their phones and they're like T nine texting,

530
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.039
which if you if you know what that meant. When

531
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.359
I just said that take some more, I'd be profrom

532
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.720
for your back. I need it too. But but no,

533
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.599
So there is that cozy vibe of like this is

534
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.880
like for us, for our generation being millennials.

535
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:04.720
Yeah, it just feels familiar.

536
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.039
It feels familiar, but it can really for us, especially

537
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.200
put us immediately into this sense of like it's winter break,

538
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.279
you're a kid, and now all this bad shit's about

539
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.640
to happen. So it's scarier in that it makes you

540
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.920
identify with everybody absolutely in that way.

541
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.240
Absolutely, So I.

542
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.599
Also want to mention Emily Blunt. I had to check

543
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.839
because I was like, how old is she now? Because

544
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.960
if she was playing a college student in two thousand

545
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.160
and seven, we have to be somewhat somewhat close in age,

546
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.079
and Emily Blunt was I just had it. She was

547
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.559
born in like eighty four.

548
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.279
Oh okay, so very close.

549
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.839
I want to say it was eighty four or eighty three.

550
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.359
Wait eighty three. So she's like forty two right now,

551
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.319
you take So she's a little she's three years older

552
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.079
than me, about three and a half years older than you,

553
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.599
somewhere in that neighborhood. And yeah, so she was playing

554
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.640
way younger than she was. And for the most part,

555
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.640
I don't think it was I think it was convincing,

556
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.079
is what I'm I mean. I don't think it looked

557
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.720
unusual at all. I think they both are excellent, excellent casting.

558
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:05.559
Absolutely.

559
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.000
So she's in a lecture hall. She's texting instead of

560
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.359
listening because tomorrow, tomorrow's winter break.

561
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.720
Yeah, chairs, let's get out of here.

562
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.880
Oh man, man, man you you because so you were homeschooled,

563
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.240
you only had winter break when you were in college.

564
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.720
I mean, I'm assuming you had some kind of breaks

565
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:27.319
in homeschooling.

566
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:32.240
Yeah, like we might get the week of a big

567
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:38.039
holiday off, but in general, like we were going all

568
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:38.640
through the winter.

569
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.680
We well, in school, we only got the two weeks off.

570
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.160
Yeah was it two I don't even think it was

571
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:47.759
two weeks. I think it was just one week. Was

572
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:50.440
it really for Christmas season? No? No, we had a

573
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.839
winter break. No, we had a winter break that was

574
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.720
two weeks. Okay, so it was like the week before

575
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.839
Christmas and then we came back shortly after New Year's.

576
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.920
Okay, that makes sense. So yeah, would we would take

577
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.119
a break like basically a few days leading up I

578
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.799
mean depending on when Christmas fell, a few days leading

579
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.880
up to Christmas, and then like the week between Christmas

580
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.839
and New Year's and then pretty much right after New

581
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.240
Year's we'd get back at it. But see, the thing

582
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.440
is we we we didn't take like a ton of breaks.

583
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.839
We would do like schoolwork in the summer to kind

584
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.400
of like keep up on it. But Mom would like

585
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.960
when my dad got home from a trip, we would

586
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.160
always like take a few days off to spend with him.

587
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.559
Or Mom would always the first day of spring that

588
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.160
was really really nice. She'd be like, get get out

589
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.079
of my house, go outside, play outside.

590
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.599
Yeah there's flexibility. Yeah, they're the bosses. That makes sense. Well,

591
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:51.079
this young woman needs to go home to Delawre, Delaware.

592
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.559
Every time I think of Delaware, I think of the

593
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.880
Wayne's World's get We're in Delaware. No offense Delaware, no

594
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.799
sales tax in Delaware. I don't know if that's still true.

595
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.839
Used to be good for them, but she needs to

596
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.599
get to Delaware. She's texting with her friend, and her

597
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.039
friend's like, how are you going to get there? And

598
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.680
she types in bus, which tells you everything you need

599
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.039
to know about her mood. Because I don't think you've

600
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.920
ever went on a long bus ride. No, I've taken

601
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.960
a Greyhound bus twelve hours each way. It really wasn't

602
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.599
that bad. I mean, there were moments that weren't great,

603
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.039
but like the most of the trip was easy, especially

604
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.640
if you're traveling that far, because it's like just in

605
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.119
the major city, the metropolitan areas, you're gonna be like

606
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.519
the bus is going to be packed, and you might

607
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.400
have a chance at running into some people who are

608
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.480
rude or being crammed or whatever. But when you're going

609
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.359
from like Eerie to Rochester, New York, there's like seven

610
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:48.359
people on the bus, okay, and eight if you count

611
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.000
the Canadian and I sat next to the candy. Well,

612
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.200
we were like near each other. It was pretty funny. Actually,

613
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.119
she got along great. He had a lot of like

614
00:33:58.119 --> 00:33:59.960
like kind of like this was like two thousand and four.

615
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.039
We get a lot of like negative things to say

616
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.119
about America, like but that we're like friendly because he's Canadian.

617
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.200
And then I was like, ah yeah, And I was like,

618
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.360
so if Canada is so great, why are you going

619
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.440
to upstate New York to meet a girl? And he

620
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.800
was like fairpoint. He was very very cool, like we

621
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.960
had a great time. We were not like fighting. We

622
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.480
were like making each other laugh a lot. So but

623
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.679
so she says bus. Well, then she is told, like,

624
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.400
why don't you check the ride share because at this

625
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.920
college end, at a lot of colleges people who are

626
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.239
going somewhere. We'll just put up a thing saying, hey,

627
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.599
I'm going to Camden, New Jersey. Anybody else need a

628
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.320
ride to Camden, New Jersey. We could split the fare

629
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.760
or the cost, not the fair because you know they're driving.

630
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.159
And she goes over there and finds one little haphazardly

631
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.760
written note with some you know, phone numbers you could

632
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.880
rip off. That says going to Delaware. So she grabs

633
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.880
the piece of paper and we're off to the races,

634
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.400
and we'll dive into the beginning of that trip. Right

635
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:14.280
after this, we walk up to the nineteen eighty six

636
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:20.440
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, which even in two thousand and seven

637
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.599
is an old car, very beat up, twenty one year old.

638
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.239
That car is old enough to drink. And that's where

639
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.920
we meet guy who is a real Would you call

640
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:34.760
him unassuming? Yeah?

641
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.840
I would. I would call him unassuming.

642
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.920
Like as a as a woman, what would your threat

643
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.000
assessment be when you'd made plans to go on this

644
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.280
trip home for the holidays or whatever, and you walk

645
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.000
up and see this dude with like his you know,

646
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.800
kind of you know, nappy mapa hair, and he's not

647
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.440
dressed badly or anything. He seems like he takes showers.

648
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.760
He's a what's his name, Michael Cena type.

649
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.519
Michael Sarah, Sarah Sarah. You're think of John Cena and

650
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.519
Michael Sarah, which would be horrifying. I see that horrifying combination.

651
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.639
I don't. I think he's actually kind of a handsome, Yeah.

652
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.559
He's it's not necessarily that he looks bad, it's just

653
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.760
that his composure is so mild. Yeah, nebbish.

654
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.719
I love the word nebbish. I use it all the time.

655
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.440
Uh. So, threat assessment on a scale of one to ten.

656
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:31.599
Three three, Yeah, is three on the general low side.

657
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.719
Yeah, with ten being the highest and like one being

658
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:35.239
the lowest.

659
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.039
Well, I mean I don't could you ever have a

660
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.440
one on it with a stranger? No, not really, That's

661
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:40.480
what I was getting asked. So I was like, I

662
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.239
feel like three is probably as good as it gets

663
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:43.079
with a total stranger.

664
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.519
Yeah, because if the stranger was a baby at that point,

665
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.320
I mean, you really don't trust him. But no, So yeah,

666
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.280
I just thought that was a helpful way to get

667
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.480
across that, Like, yeah, he seems like he's probably harmless,

668
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.880
nice enough guy. You know, you go to the same

669
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.239
college that helps a little.

670
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.880
He's a little he's a little messy.

671
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.280
Oh well, his car is just full of stuff. Well,

672
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.559
in his defense, the car is a mess, but it's

673
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.400
also crammed full of all of his dorm room shit. Yeah.

674
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.960
He does reveal a little later on that he moved

675
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.199
out of his dorm room slash kind.

676
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.320
Of got kicked out. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he does

677
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.400
mention that it's kind of a passing. But yeah, yeah,

678
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.800
well and usually during certain breaks and stuff, people are

679
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.320
pulling shit out of the dorms. Yeah, so yeah, he

680
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.360
guy does not. He does not appear to be heavily

681
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:41.639
enjoying his college experience necessarily, not necessarily, unlike girl, who

682
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.039
is enjoying it quite a bit. She's got a lot

683
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.559
of friends, but she's also I mean, she one thing

684
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.639
I'll say that this movie kind of does that's kind

685
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.039
of cliche, although I think it's a good cliche, is

686
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.679
she is the popular, hot girl who's way deeper than

687
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.239
people realize, Yes, and much smarter. She is extremely smart,

688
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.440
I think that, But I think she came off as smart.

689
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.920
She did, yeah, really from the beginning, although she comes

690
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.199
off as smart because she comes off as cynical, which

691
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.519
but I think that's just her her boundaries, you know,

692
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.679
her barriers to kind of protect yourself. So as they're

693
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.239
packing the car up, she is already complaining because the

694
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.800
car is old and beat up, and he's kind of dorky.

695
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.840
She's you know, being bitchy right away. And they just

696
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.360
start gathering everything up and as they drive away, Oh,

697
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.639
he tells her to grab some stuff. I think, yeah,

698
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.719
And as they drive away, we notice a bag full

699
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.920
of groceries just sitting on the side of the road,

700
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.639
and I feel like, if you're watching wind Chill, you

701
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.000
likely know that this is a car like a stranded

702
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.719
car movie. So that is extra like ah, because it's

703
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.480
like that's like your lifeline. There's like food and stuff

704
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.239
in there you need it. I often think about sometimes

705
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.639
when I'm cleaning my car out or you know, going

706
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.559
on a trip and I have to throw some trash

707
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.320
out or whatever off and think about like I'll look

708
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.960
around and be like, oh, crap, I drank the two

709
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.199
bottles of water I always keep in my car. She

710
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.960
really put new water up on the side of the road.

711
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.639
And sometimes I'll be like, man, I should really put

712
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.719
some protein bars in here, just just to be safe.

713
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.880
But then I'm like, yeah, yeah, just put fucking food

714
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.199
all over the bottom of your car. Stupid, that's how

715
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:18.639
you That's how your car got so messy in the

716
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:22.760
first place. Dumb. That's that's me talking to me. But anyway,

717
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.480
so they get out on the highway and she's.

718
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.320
Just not she's not into it.

719
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.800
She almost anything.

720
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.679
Yeah, she almost immediately gets on her cell phone and

721
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.480
calls someone up and just starts talking.

722
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.639
Yeah, her friendly she was texting with earlier.

723
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.519
Yeah, he's like right there, like like in the middle

724
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.199
of their conversation, just looking around like uh yeah.

725
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:48.880
Yeah, she's talking like he's not even there. She even

726
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:50.119
talks about him a little bit.

727
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.079
Yeah, and she's kind of rude about it.

728
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.039
Yeah, And she also mentions in passing that she was

729
00:39:56.079 --> 00:40:01.079
supposed to go to Cabo for Christmas, but you know

730
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.960
that didn't work out well, I mean, who would pick

731
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:13.239
Cabo over Delaware? So but as he kind of tells her, like,

732
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.440
you know, it's kind of you know, he's like looking upset.

733
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.639
I don't think he says anything yet. She snaps a

734
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.440
picture of him and sends it to her friend and

735
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.320
she's like, that's just evidence, you know, in case you

736
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.840
turn out to be a psycho or something, and he's like,

737
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.400
uh okay. And when she finally gets off the phone

738
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.559
because she realizes she's upset him, he tells her, you know,

739
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.360
that's what we're doing. We share everything, you know, we

740
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.760
split the gas and we split the whatever. And she's like, well,

741
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:38.719
I didn't realize I was supposed to be your entertainment.

742
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.639
And I gotta say, as a person who's went on

743
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.239
I would say like ten to twenty times my share

744
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.960
of long car trips. I think I probably drive more

745
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.039
than like a travel more than like twenty percent like

746
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.639
a high probably the highest twenty percent of travelers. Yeah.

747
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.360
I don't travel all the time, but I travel quite

748
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.360
a bit. It's not, you know, nor unusual for me

749
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.360
to jump in my car for ten hours. Yeah. It

750
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.280
is absolutely your job to entertain the driver. That is

751
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.159
super important. In fact, I'll tell you a story about

752
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.840
why you should always keep the driver amused and awake.

753
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:34.119
Right after this, you should always what are you looking at?

754
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.400
There's a hair on your control board?

755
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.039
This hair? Yeah you want it?

756
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:43.440
Oh no, you.

757
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:49.280
Can eat it? No anyway, But I was I was

758
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.880
going to say, so you are supposed to keep the

759
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.599
driver awake. Absolutely, it's really important. I was once on

760
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.280
a I have a couple of stories about this. I

761
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.960
was once on a road trip with a woman who

762
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:08.159
I thought we got along okay, you know, and no joke.

763
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.559
I was exhausted and she knew that I was very,

764
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.599
very tired, and I had told her at one point,

765
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.199
I was like, you've got to like help me stay awake,

766
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.360
like you gotta talk to me. And she was the

767
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.400
worst conversation starter I've ever witnessed. She would ask you

768
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.599
questions and you would answer them and be like, what

769
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.559
about you, and she'd be like, I don't know, Like

770
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.199
I don't do that whatever. I'd be like, if you

771
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.880
wanted to be a conversation you need to ask something

772
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.440
that you have an answer to, because then you have

773
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.719
something to say too, because it's not helping me stay

774
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.920
awake to just be flooded with one sided questions. It's

775
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:48.599
just confusing me. But so, when I worked in professional wrestling,

776
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.840
we never traveled super far for work, but we would

777
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.360
travel sometimes two three hours away, and there was a

778
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.239
very stern rule because people ride together all the time.

779
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.840
Your job is, your entire job when you're the passenger

780
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.039
in a car, is to keep the driver awake. That's it.

781
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.840
And I heard so many stories about pranks and scaring

782
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.400
the living hell out of people because they fell asleep.

783
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.519
One of my favorites was hearing about how guy fell

784
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.400
asleep and the guy was driving just took both his

785
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.960
hands and slammed them down on the dashboard as hard

786
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.320
as he could to make like an incredibly loud sound,

787
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.840
and then when the guy next to him woke up,

788
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.880
he like swerved the wheel and then got really Dodgedy

789
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.360
was like what and he was like, what happened. He's like,

790
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.280
nothing happened. What do you mean? And then basically, like

791
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:42.880
over the course of an hour and a half of

792
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.800
that drive, like slowly revealed like that he hit a

793
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.840
roadworker and like he better keep his fucking mouth shut

794
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.559
or real kill him. And these guys barely know each other,

795
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.039
and then eventually he found out like, no, I just

796
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.519
was teaching you, like you don't fall asleep, and he

797
00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.000
was like, yeah, from that moment on, anytime I'm in

798
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.199
the pastor's steave of a car, my eyes are wide open. Yeah,

799
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.679
so don't don't fall asleep unless you want to reap

800
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:11.199
the penalties, especially if you're working in the wrestling business.

801
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.559
But anyway, so she basically tells him like, if i'm

802
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.360
your entertainment, you're screwed, you know, which is now she's

803
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:22.400
being self deprecating. Yeah, and you know, it's clear that

804
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.079
this is going to be a quite a trip.

805
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.320
It's going to be a long They have six hours.

806
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.440
I believe something like that.

807
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.559
I think they said six or eight six. I couldn't

808
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.639
have been eight. Eight's really far for Delaware. Okay, so

809
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.480
I think it was six. Six is still pretty long.

810
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:37.400
Yeah, that's still long.

811
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.199
Yeah. Yeah, that's a long drive. And it's a December

812
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.559
twenty third was the day on the calendar. So also

813
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.400
when she's asking him questions about where he's from up

814
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.159
by in Delaware, and I should mention Delaware is a

815
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.679
very small state. That's why you wouldn't put the city.

816
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:56.880
You just go like, are you going to Delaware? Because

817
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.639
you could pretty much drop somebody off in Delaware and

818
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.559
it not put you out more than maybe half an hour.

819
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.320
So you just say Delaware? Where are you at Delaware?

820
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:12.679
But so his answers are all kind of vague. Yeah,

821
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:13.320
do you notice that?

822
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:18.440
Yeah, Now he never answers anything directly or head on,

823
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.000
and and a lot of times he'll be kind of like, ah, yeah,

824
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.199
it's like this, but anyway, let's change the subject, you know.

825
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.960
But he does seem really into what she's talking about.

826
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:28.400
Mm hmm.

827
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.519
She's obviously not into what he's talking about. And then

828
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.719
she starts painting her toetails and just kind of doing

829
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.559
whatever else and telling him, you know, the classic thing

830
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.760
that you should always expect when you're chauffeuring a woman around,

831
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.039
which is stop of the next gas station, I need

832
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.480
to peek. Yeah, I always got a pee, always got

833
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:45.800
a pee.

834
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.079
So well, and at that point, because as they're getting

835
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.159
to know each other a little bit, they start talking.

836
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.519
They start talking about going to school, going to classes,

837
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.039
and it turns out they have a class together. And

838
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.840
she even kind of says like, oh, well, I never

839
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.239
noticed you, which isn't a nice thing to say, but

840
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.559
then again, the classes are like two hundred people.

841
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.880
Well, he seems unsurprised she didn't notice him. Yeah, he

842
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.800
doesn't have a very good opinion of himself.

843
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.840
No, he's he's very self deprecating all the time. Yeah,

844
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.880
and she makes she makes a joke because he's like, yeah,

845
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.440
we you know, we were in like a philosophy class together

846
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.320
or something, and she makes a joke about, oh, yeah,

847
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.800
I couldn't stand that class, all the Eastern religions types,

848
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.440
and he's like, yeah, my my major is.

849
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.960
No, no, no. She asks him what his major is

850
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.599
and he says Eastern religion, which which I'm on her side, like,

851
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:43.199
what are you gonna do with that? Really? What are

852
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.719
you going to do with Eastern religion much as your major,

853
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.199
I mean teach Eastern religion? Congrats? Yeah, because she was

854
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.280
in the philosophy class to get an easy credit, a

855
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:57.280
humanity's credit.

856
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:04.440
So that gets them talking though about reincarnation versus eternal recurrence.

857
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.519
Well it's not versus she he mentions eternal recurrence and

858
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.679
she thinks it's like reincarnation.

859
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.559
Yeah, and he explains like, no, they're they're totally different things.

860
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.639
Yeah. And and there's been a long history of different

861
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.159
concepts for eternal return or eternal recurrence, but they're referring

862
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:29.440
mostly to Nietzsche's Frederick Nietzsche's version, which is one of

863
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:35.159
the central concepts of philosophy of his philosophy, although the

864
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.159
idea is not original itself, which that's just Nietzsche for you.

865
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.880
But yeah, I wish I could give like a good rundown.

866
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:44.480
I'm not like an expert on Nietzsche. I'd have to

867
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.360
read something out loud and it's very long, but basically

868
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.880
the idea that that things will happen again and again

869
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:54.480
oka for forever.

870
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:54.920
Yeah.

871
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.920
For lack of a better term, I mean, what, what

872
00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.079
was your take on it?

873
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.199
I mean, it just seems like everything is cyclical and

874
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.239
so like once things end, it just goes back to

875
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:11.039
the beginning. I haven't done a ton of research on it,

876
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.760
so that's kind of what I just gleaned out of

877
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.400
the movie.

878
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.840
Hmmm. Yeah, it looks like Nietzsche's understanding of it was

879
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.119
the idea that you just relive everything exactly as it

880
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.400
was again, and if you were aware of it, wouldn't

881
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:27.079
you want to die?

882
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:28.960
That sounds like Nietzsche.

883
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.880
That sounds like freaking Nietzsche. But now as they're trucking along,

884
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.000
they find a gas station, although a whole new challenge

885
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.679
has occurred because the gas station came up really soon,

886
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:45.719
and girls, it's so funny that names her toenails are

887
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:50.119
not finished being painted or drying rather, and she's like,

888
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:51.400
I didn't know we were going to find a place

889
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.320
so fast. And I love this rest area restaurant gas

890
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.599
station by the way, Yeah, because it I know this

891
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.159
was shot in Canada, but that play really reminds me

892
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.559
of the kind of places in New England and in

893
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.360
some parts of the Poconos where this is taking place,

894
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.880
where they just have these big, weird. They look almost

895
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.559
like family restaurants, but they're absolutely built into a gas station.

896
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.239
And when they come in, because her toes are.

897
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:24.320
Wet, he gives her a piggyback.

898
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.920
He coerces her to jump on his back so he

899
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:29.599
can do that for her so they can get into

900
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.159
the store and then she can walk around, which is

901
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.159
pretty cute that he's like, but it becomes very clear

902
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.840
he's trying very very hard to win her affection. So

903
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.320
she heads over to the bathroom, which, as is always

904
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.480
the case, is through the restaurant. Of course, that's my

905
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.000
own experience every time I've stopped anywhere where there's a

906
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.440
restaurant and a gas station is the bathroom is through

907
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.880
the restaurant, and some odd things happen in the bathroom,

908
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.800
which this is a scene I don't always remember right

909
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.320
away when I'm remembering the movie, and we'll talk about

910
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.199
it right after this.

911
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:18.960
So, as the guy and the girl are approaching the

912
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:23.360
gas station, she kind of mentions off handedly that she's

913
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.320
going to be getting corrective eye surgery.

914
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.159
Well, he starts by talking about how horrible it is,

915
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.599
like that yeah, he does Discovery Channel thing, and that

916
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:32.760
it was really like heinous.

917
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.039
He's like, it's awful. I'd never do it. I don't

918
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.960
know why anyone does it.

919
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.400
I don't know if they'd want to do it if

920
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.119
they knew about the part where they peel your right

921
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:40.880
Oh yeah, because she says she your eyes peeled for

922
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:41.440
a gas station?

923
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:45.199
Yeah yeah, Why would anyone do that? It's so gross.

924
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.639
So she mentions that she's going to get corrective eye surgery,

925
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.239
and he kind of gets disappointed. He's like, why would

926
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.320
you do that? You look so cute wearing your glasses.

927
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.760
Now note she is not wearing glasses. She has not

928
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.760
been seen wearing glasses. And she gets rather disturbed because

929
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:08.320
she only wears her glasses in her dorm. And she

930
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.880
even asks like, when have you seen me wear my glasses?

931
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:14.880
And that's when he's like, oh, I see a gas station.

932
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.480
Let's pull over here, you know quick, you know, quick diversion.

933
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:19.280
This is great.

934
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:20.199
Oh yeah.

935
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.719
So he gives her, you know, the uh awkward piggyback ride,

936
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.800
and she walks through the restaurant and gets to the bathroom.

937
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.760
And it's very interesting because you were you mentioned that

938
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.239
you forget about the scene until you see it, and

939
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.559
you find it interesting and I find the scene interesting

940
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.239
as well, because the first thing that she does when

941
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.920
she gets in the bathroom isn't actually go to the bathroom,

942
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.000
it's stop at the mirror and take out her glasses

943
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.000
and put them on and see how they actually look

944
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.960
on her face, which I think is interesting, not just

945
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.519
because you know, it's kind of revealing, like, oh, he

946
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.840
really does know some things about her that it's weird

947
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.880
that he knows, but also that she's not immediately writing

948
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.719
off his opinion. She still holds some you know, some

949
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.639
value to it. So she goes to the bathroom, and

950
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.800
you know, things feel kind of tense because it's a dingy,

951
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:23.360
gross gas station bathroom. But when she gets out, the

952
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.079
like main door that we'd lead back into the restaurant

953
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:31.280
is locked and she can't get it open, and she's

954
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.440
like banging on the door, and it seems like like

955
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.559
she can hear the clerk and she can hear guy talking,

956
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:42.000
and she's you know, yelling and screaming, but they don't

957
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.840
come to help her. So she finally manages to like

958
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.320
push the door open and get it open, and she

959
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.800
storms over and she's asking why they didn't help her,

960
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.280
and they're acting kind of confused, like they don't understand

961
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.000
because they didn't hear her. So she kind of lets

962
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.760
it go and guy had like an armful of water bottles.

963
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.760
As they're leaving, and the clerk says, you know, you'll

964
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.679
you'll be fine. Just remember stick to the main highway,

965
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.679
the highway. You'll get there just fine. And this worries girl.

966
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.599
She's like, are we lost?

967
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:18.559
And he's like, no, we're fine. I've done this drive

968
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:19.199
a million.

969
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:20.920
Millions, a million times. It's fine.

970
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.880
So well before we before we leave the gas station, though, yeah,

971
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.519
I mean, I'm sorry if you had no, no, no,

972
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.599
what what did you take from this scene where she's

973
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.599
stuck in the bathroom and can't get out? Like do

974
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:38.639
you think there was some reason that had happened? Do

975
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:42.400
you think that it was just the door was stuck

976
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.440
and for some reason no one could hear her? Like

977
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:47.719
do you think it was like what do you? What

978
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.360
do you? What do you take from it? Well?

979
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:54.320
I you know, it's it's hard when you first see

980
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.480
the movie to kind of place it. But to me,

981
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.480
I feel like the gas station is kind of like

982
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.880
the place where the time bubble begins. So to me,

983
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.639
it feels almost like fate trying to keep her from

984
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.880
entering the time bubble, or maybe she was already being

985
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.679
affected by the time bubble and that's why the you know,

986
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.960
the clerk and guy couldn't hear her because she was

987
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.239
already being affected by it but they weren't. Or maybe

988
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.719
they were being affected by it, but she wasn't, you know,

989
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.559
so she wasn't on the same timeline as them at

990
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:33.559
that point. Okay, that's kind of what I think.

991
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.800
Yeah, I'm not sure. That's when I think one of

992
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.079
the reasons I forget about it is I don't have

993
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.639
like a neat and clear image of how it fits

994
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.280
into the horror that we're about to come up on.

995
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.920
Yeah, no, it I mean, And that's one of the

996
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:50.840
reasons that I like it as a scene, because it

997
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:57.199
starts setting the tone without totally revealing what's going to

998
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.039
be going on. All we can glean from that scene

999
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.960
is just that there's going to be this sense of isolation,

1000
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.360
and that continues throughout the rest of the movie and

1001
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.559
keeps amping up throughout the rest of the movie. Is

1002
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.440
that feeling of isolation, of being so close to help

1003
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.400
but not being able to reach help.

1004
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.920
I didn't think they were very close to help during

1005
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:21.599
most of the movie.

1006
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.559
Oh well, they mentioned that they could have at they

1007
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.000
could try to get to the gas station, like the

1008
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:29.079
gas station is kind of.

1009
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.159
But they didn't have a concept the concept of how

1010
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.599
far away it was. No, I mean not literally how

1011
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:35.119
far away was they knew it was way down the

1012
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:39.239
highway or the freeway rather. Sorry, I'm not trying to

1013
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.920
challenge you on it. It's just I don't remember that part.

1014
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.559
I don't feel like it was ever well, I mean

1015
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.440
until right at the very end. I don't feel like

1016
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:47.480
they were almost escaping very often.

1017
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:51.880
That's fair. It's not a great analogy.

1018
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:57.320
Yeah, really geez. But no, So they get back in

1019
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.719
the car and they start heading out and immediately they

1020
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.960
turn off of Interstate four seventy, which is uh or

1021
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.079
for eighty. I think it was. Yea, it was four eighty,

1022
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:11.679
which is when I always remember the movie is in Pennsylvania.

1023
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.360
When when I see that, I'm like, oh, they're up

1024
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:15.559
by the Poconos.

1025
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:16.880
That's where they are.

1026
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.880
I've driven that road so many times. But they take

1027
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.000
a turn onto what appears to be State Routes six

1028
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.599
oh six, and it is not plowed. It is covered

1029
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.360
in like a in a very fresh inch of snow,

1030
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:34.239
maybe two inches of snow, and they just start driving

1031
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:34.599
down it.

1032
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.480
And as as they're driving, they even pass like a

1033
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.679
pair of wooden crosses on the road side, which is

1034
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:44.679
never a good sign.

1035
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.760
I mean, those are everywhere though a fair I mean,

1036
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:49.320
I see them all the time. Yeah, I mean, but

1037
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.719
it is a symbol that somebody has died, yeah, near there,

1038
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:56.320
So I mean it's not a not a great omen necessarily.

1039
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:03.440
And she's she's pro testing. She doesn't like the fact

1040
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:08.840
that they're going down this this smaller road. And you know,

1041
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.039
he just keeps insisting that is a scenic route.

1042
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:12.840
Well, he said no, he says it's a shortcut.

1043
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.719
Oh, that it's a short it's a scenic route.

1044
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.280
That's later. That's later when he finds out, when she

1045
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:20.880
finds out exactly what his deal is.

1046
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:27.440
That's they have a cute moment talking about Christmas and

1047
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.639
Santa Claus and uh. He mentions that he grew up

1048
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:34.400
in a Dutch family, So he grew up with Dutch

1049
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:35.760
Santa Claus who has.

1050
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.679
A center Claus Ciner clause. Instead of living in the

1051
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:42.800
North Pole, he lives in Spain. Yes, and he's scary,

1052
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.960
and he has an enforcer named Black Pete, who calling

1053
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.239
him an enforcer is a nice thing because he's he's

1054
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.719
Santa slave Center. Claus's slave is Black Peter.

1055
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.480
Oh great, so that's fun.

1056
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.000
And he's called black Peter because he's black. Oh yeah,

1057
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.960
Europe kids, Yes, it's great, It's great Europe.

1058
00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:08.000
And then she immediately well, she makes the mood even

1059
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:13.039
better because she says, yeah, she just has to had

1060
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:16.280
to learn how to have Christmas with divorced parents.

1061
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:20.119
Yeah, two dinner, two turkey dinners or twice is twice

1062
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.199
the turkey dinners twice, the twice the gifts you have

1063
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.239
to exchange for store credit. Yeah yeah. And at that

1064
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:30.639
point they see a car coming down this very thin,

1065
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:36.360
skinny lane freeway and it seems like it's not going

1066
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.920
to move. She's telling him pull over to the shoulder,

1067
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.400
or she says, a pull over and let the asshole through,

1068
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.599
and he's like, where there's no shoulder, and the car

1069
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:51.039
hits them. They fling through through the road, hit a

1070
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.239
bank of snow and we'll find out more right after this.

1071
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.679
So she wakes up in the car. It's dark, they're

1072
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.320
trapped in the snow bank.

1073
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.599
Yeah, and because right before that car came, it was

1074
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.000
just becoming dark out.

1075
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.440
Yeah. One of the things that I like about the

1076
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.320
movie is it will occasionally have like time stamps. You know,

1077
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.400
it'll say, like, you know, five thirteen pm, and I

1078
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.000
would have to go back and rewatch the movie. But

1079
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.679
I think that actually plays into, especially toward the end,

1080
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.480
it plays into the time loop thing, because I think

1081
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.280
the time stamps start getting mixed up, and that's if

1082
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.960
you're paying attention, you can realize, like, oh, this scene

1083
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:51.119
happened chronologically, you know, in a different time. But that's

1084
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:57.639
that's just an interesting little note. So she wakes up

1085
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.039
and he's still like unconscious in the car. So she

1086
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.880
gets out of the car and gets out her cell

1087
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.360
phone and is trying to find a cell phone signal

1088
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:11.079
and she's kind of like wandering around and then he

1089
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.159
just appears behind her. And it's one of those really

1090
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.800
effective like mild jump scares where you know, she was

1091
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.719
so preoccupied that she didn't even you know, notice him,

1092
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:26.360
notice him coming. But again, that kind of plays into

1093
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:29.320
later on in the movie what's going on with him?

1094
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.679
And they just start they start like discussing what happened,

1095
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.880
and he points out that he can't even see tracks

1096
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:40.960
from the other car.

1097
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:43.320
Yeah, there's no tracks on the road.

1098
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:48.679
So that's very unsettling because to them at that point,

1099
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:51.400
that just kind of confirms that they've been here for

1100
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.719
a very long time. They thought maybe like the snow

1101
01:00:54.880 --> 01:01:00.679
may have covered everything. So they they try to find

1102
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.920
some indication of like where they are or how they

1103
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.039
can get help, but they can't find anything. So they

1104
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:11.440
go back to the car and they want to try

1105
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.000
and get it like unstuck, but they can't get it

1106
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.639
unstuck from the snow. She's trying to like steer it

1107
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:21.960
while he pushes it, and they can't, you know, they

1108
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:26.079
can't get it to budge. And as they're trying to

1109
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:29.679
get out of the snow drift, she's getting increasingly upset

1110
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.519
because she feels like he engineered all of this to

1111
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:35.960
keep get her trapped here.

1112
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.440
Yeah. Well, the more they talk, the more his story

1113
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.159
kind of falls apart, and he seems to know an

1114
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:46.039
awful lot about her and she knows zippity DooDah about him.

1115
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.159
And what really like the lynchpin for her was kind

1116
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.239
of realizing she was talking You mentioned how Delaware is

1117
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.880
a real small state you're gonna know if you're from

1118
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.000
the if you're from Delaware, you're gonna know the landmarks.

1119
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.239
And she starts mentioning like the places she was looking

1120
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.840
forward to visiting in Delaware, and he didn't know any

1121
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.000
of them. And that's when she kind of realized, like

1122
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:13.519
he never has even been to Delaware, let alone is

1123
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:18.599
actually from Delaware. So as as they get there, you know, arguing,

1124
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:23.239
she locks him out of the car because she doesn't

1125
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:27.480
feel safe with him, and she even calls her friend

1126
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.800
and like leaves a voicemail just in case, you know,

1127
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.119
they anything more happens. She's like, this is evident, you know,

1128
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.159
further evidence of who I'm with and what's happening, and

1129
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.519
you know what you did to me. They finally calm down,

1130
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.400
and this is why I was saying, like help always

1131
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.360
felt like it could have been close, because this is

1132
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:51.920
the point when he says, like, Okay, well, I'm going

1133
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.599
to try and get help from the gas station. You know,

1134
01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:59.920
that's the last place we saw people. We know that

1135
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.000
it's you know, it's down the road, but we we

1136
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.400
know it's there. So he's going to try to go there,

1137
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.480
and he tells her to stay in the car, and

1138
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:11.239
again it's a busted up old car and it's got

1139
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:16.039
a busted window. So he says, if that, if the

1140
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.519
wind gets too bad and you can't handle the busted window,

1141
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.159
you can just patch it up with some duct tape.

1142
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:29.159
And that is even more incriminating to her because why

1143
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.599
would you just be driving around with a whole bunch

1144
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:32.159
of duck tape.

1145
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.440
She's also just being like snippy. Yeah, she's being quippy too,

1146
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.960
because like duct tape is a common tool.

1147
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:39.480
It is.

1148
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.360
But when he said there's duck tape, actually I bet

1149
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.239
there is. It's pretty funny.

1150
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:45.679
I drove around with duct tape a lot, but that's

1151
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.039
because the bumper of my car was falling off, so

1152
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.400
it was I have a new car now, so.

1153
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.800
I mean the bumper in the old car probably is

1154
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:55.480
still falling off.

1155
01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:56.960
It probably is.

1156
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:02.760
Wherever it may be. So but so he starts walking

1157
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.000
back from whence they came. I also want to mention

1158
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.519
because it slipped my mind when we were talking about it.

1159
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:11.159
But right before the car crashed, the radio kicked on

1160
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.199
briefly and we heard the beginnings of rocking around the

1161
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:19.480
Christmas Tree. Yes, which plays into a lot going forward.

1162
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.920
But after being gone for not very long, he comes

1163
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.639
back to the car and he says that the gas

1164
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:28.119
station was closed.

1165
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:29.840
Yeah, which doesn't make any sense.

1166
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.000
Yeah. She's like, those places are open twenty four hours

1167
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:33.719
because you're in the middle. We're kind of in the

1168
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:34.440
middle of nowhere.

1169
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:37.800
Andy's got a little bit of blood on his face, yeah,

1170
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.840
which and which he just totally writes off. And she's like, wait,

1171
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:42.480
what happened And he's like, no, it's.

1172
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.239
Well, I mean they were in a really bad car

1173
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:49.559
accident because and is scalps bleeding, you know, so, I mean, yeah.

1174
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:51.760
He's a little beat up. And while he was gone,

1175
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:55.119
she you know, she was in the car and she

1176
01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.079
thinks she sees a figure in the woods and and

1177
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.639
she kind of like waves at them, but they don't

1178
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.360
do anything or say anything. She just sees, you know,

1179
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.360
a shadow off between the trees. So when he finally

1180
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:14.400
gets back to the car, she's been you know, kind

1181
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.480
of stewing on him and who he is, and she

1182
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:23.960
keeps grilling him, and he finally breaks down and admits

1183
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.840
that he lives like two miles from the school.

1184
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.840
He lives in a place called Glen Falls, which she

1185
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.599
says is twenty minutes from school.

1186
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:33.360
Yeah.

1187
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:39.119
Yeah, so he has been misleading a lot, and that's

1188
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.679
that's worrisome, especially when they're trapped out there. Although when

1189
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:44.840
she accuses him of planning this whole thing, he's like, what,

1190
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.440
the guy who ran me off the rover is in

1191
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:50.960
on it too, And he's like maybe it's like, I mean,

1192
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.159
you're pretty, but you're not that pretty now to come

1193
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:58.199
up with that that much of a conspiracy, but yeah,

1194
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.840
so now the truth is starting to come out, and

1195
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.679
it turns out that he's had a crush on her

1196
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:03.519
for the whole school.

1197
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:09.519
Year mm hmm, and he'd been asking around school to

1198
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:13.519
get information about her, and that's how he really you know,

1199
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:15.480
he had learned that she was going to need a

1200
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:20.920
trip back to Delaware, so he he put up the

1201
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:23.599
sign that he was willing to give her a ride,

1202
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.599
and he even says he says this several times, where

1203
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.440
you know, he figured that this would all work out,

1204
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:33.440
because this was going to end up being just a

1205
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:35.360
funny story that they'll tell someday.

1206
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:37.960
Yeah, he thought that if they just had a chance

1207
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.400
to get to know each other, like in five or

1208
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.960
six hours of uninterrupted road travel, that maybe, yeah, maybe

1209
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.559
they would really like each other, and he not quite

1210
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.880
the best laid schemes. So but now we're in for

1211
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.800
a bigger problem, which is they have no help the

1212
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.480
cell phone. She has a phone, he doesn't. Her cell

1213
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:05.639
phone is not getting reception. It's getting colder by the minute,

1214
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.400
and they're hearing reports on the radio that it's going

1215
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.800
to be severely cold. So I guess we'll have to

1216
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.039
find out what happens next after this.

1217
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:32.239
So they're in the car. It's been a very long time.

1218
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:38.679
They're getting very hungry, and he's the guy's talking about like, well,

1219
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.760
he brought food. He knows her favorite foods, which is

1220
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:43.199
very unsettling.

1221
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.440
Well, yeah, we didn't even mention he brought like that

1222
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.119
was sixty Now, this is two thousand and seven sixty

1223
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.480
dollars worth of groceries. That's that was a lot of

1224
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.639
money on the groceries. And he hints that he bought

1225
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.320
all kinds of fancy crap she likes.

1226
01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:00.719
Yeah, but that was the bag that she left on

1227
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.679
the side of the road that she was supposed to

1228
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:06.639
pack up. So they don't even have any food, you know,

1229
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:09.800
they only have the bottles of water that he brought.

1230
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:11.800
So he kind of gets in the back of the

1231
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:15.199
car and starts rummaging around, and he finds a candy bar,

1232
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.680
and it's it's a great moment because he's like reaching

1233
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.920
into the upholstery of the car and starts screaming, and

1234
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.279
she panics, and then he just pulls out a candy.

1235
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.199
Bar, and she's not trusting him. She's holding the scissors

1236
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.880
from the little kit with the duct tape like a

1237
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.119
you know, as a weapon to protect herself.

1238
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.840
I mean, but you can't blame her. It again, the

1239
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:44.640
going back to the threat level, now, his threat level

1240
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.399
is at a steady six. I would say that, Wow, I.

1241
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:49.720
Thought it would be a lot higher since you're in

1242
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:50.760
a life or death situation.

1243
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:56.079
But okay, well, I mean, yeah, you gotta head your

1244
01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:00.520
bets too, because better in safety and numbers. That's isn't

1245
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:01.840
that the phrase? Sure?

1246
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:02.840
Sure it is.

1247
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:07.479
So they share the candy bar, you know, he splits

1248
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:09.600
it in half. But as they're eating the candy bar,

1249
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:13.920
the car starts to sputter, and then the engine just dies. Yes,

1250
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.680
so they don't even have like the heat of the car.

1251
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:22.079
And they get out look and examine and realize that

1252
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:27.840
like the fuel tank busted and it's just leaked gas everywhere,

1253
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:34.079
so there's no salvaging the car at all. So they

1254
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:35.760
get back in the car because at least then there's

1255
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:41.239
not wind, and again he's moving all of his earthly belongings.

1256
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:42.920
So he just gets out like a whole bunch of

1257
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:46.920
clothes and starts layering up and has her layer up.

1258
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:50.840
Well, well, he tries to, because she didn't pack any clothes,

1259
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.920
no gifts, Yeah, yeah, because she's like, everything I need

1260
01:09:56.039 --> 01:10:00.239
is in Delaware. Yeah, so she's ripping open gifts and

1261
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.039
and putting on scarves and stuff like that because they

1262
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:07.199
really really need to try to stay warm because without

1263
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:11.079
the car heater, this could very easily become fatal.

1264
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:16.960
Yeah, very very easily. But the problem is that she's

1265
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.600
layering up is having a tiny lady bladder. She has

1266
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:26.560
to pee again, of course, so she goes outside and

1267
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.840
kind of you know, wanders out into the woods, and

1268
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:35.520
as she's squatting down, she sees a group of figures

1269
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:40.000
in black and just further out in the woods just

1270
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:44.399
walk past, and again she tries to call out to them,

1271
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.720
but no one responds. They don't even seem to notice

1272
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:52.520
that she's there, So She runs back to guy at

1273
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:56.399
the car, and he you know, tells him that she's

1274
01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:00.359
she's seen people. So they go out and run after

1275
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:06.479
them into the woods. But she's very unsettled by all this,

1276
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:09.840
So as he's running out into the woods to try

1277
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.119
and contact these people, she goes back to the car,

1278
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.920
where you know, it's not windy at least it's a

1279
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:22.880
little bit safer. He stays outside searching for the people,

1280
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.560
and as he's walking through the woods, he starts coughing.

1281
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.079
And at first it's just like a little cough here

1282
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:34.880
and there, and then he's hacking, like his whole throat

1283
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:41.600
and lungs are irritated, almost like he's inhaled something. And

1284
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:47.880
as he's walking through the woods, there's a burned down,

1285
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:52.079
abandoned house and it looks like it's been there for

1286
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:57.119
a while, like a very good long while. And he

1287
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:02.000
explores inside. I mean, the the walls are gone, they're charred.

1288
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:05.479
There's just like boards and and and stuff. And he

1289
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:10.399
starts exploring inside of it. And as he's walking around,

1290
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:16.279
a black figure passes behind him and he's looking around

1291
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:22.239
and comes to like a dark corner and there's a

1292
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:26.640
frozen body and as he's looking at it, it just

1293
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:29.199
moves its head to look at him.

1294
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:35.359
Yeah, which which is one of the most outwardly scary moments.

1295
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:39.079
Like this movie is mostly very subtle, but that is

1296
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:42.439
not It gets me every freaking.

1297
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:51.359
So he he uh. Back of the car, she sees

1298
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.680
someone outside. And this is this is why the movie, like,

1299
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:59.119
even though it's mostly just these two, it still feels

1300
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.399
well popular because the ghosts are coming in and out

1301
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:07.439
so consistently. Now she sees someone outside, so she you know,

1302
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.560
gets out and she's yelling for them, trying to get help.

1303
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:15.840
She approaches the figure and even gets like really close

1304
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:19.800
and looks down and sees that his feet are kind

1305
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:25.960
of like bound, and she tries to she reaches out

1306
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.800
to like touch him to get his attention, and the

1307
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:36.920
moment she touches him, her hands like freezes like frostbite. Instantaneously,

1308
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.840
he turns and he looks around at her, and his

1309
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.079
face is all bloody and marked up and scarred up,

1310
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:51.600
and he opens his mouth and an eel just falls out.

1311
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.880
Of his mouth and falls on the ground flapping.

1312
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:58.560
And there's there's an actual credit in the movie for

1313
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:04.560
the eel puppet here, Yes, which was great so that's

1314
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:08.279
scares her. She kind of jumps back and turns around

1315
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:14.079
and there's two more bloody figures behind her. We kind

1316
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:19.439
of cut and guys coming back. He finds girl huddled

1317
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:23.960
in the snow and she's absolutely delirious and her one

1318
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.439
hand is like really seriously frostin. So he takes her

1319
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:32.039
back to the car. They use the duct tape to

1320
01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:34.000
patch up the window.

1321
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:37.399
Well, I should mention a small thing. When he was

1322
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.760
in the burned down house, he found a small fire

1323
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.720
kit which which included some old newspaper. Yes, he used

1324
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.279
to start a fire in a fireplace. I just want

1325
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:51.560
to mention that because that place a lot here in

1326
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.920
a minute.

1327
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:57.239
So then we get another time stamp. It's now eleven

1328
01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.279
seventeen PM, and he.

1329
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:04.279
Has purposely not told her about the house full of dead,

1330
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:07.159
frozen people he found. Yeah, he just told her there

1331
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:08.000
was nobody up there.

1332
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.159
Yeah, there's nothing there.

1333
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.000
But that really might be the least of their worries.

1334
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:30.560
When we return, so it's eleven seventeen pm. Girl has

1335
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:35.640
retaped the window crack using some of these old newspapers,

1336
01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.760
and now there's a knock at the window, and wouldn't

1337
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.600
you know it, I mean, you know what they say,

1338
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.920
there's never a cop around when you need one, right.

1339
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:54.359
Oh, and it's it's one of those moments where you

1340
01:15:54.520 --> 01:16:00.560
start to feel relief because there's not many times you

1341
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.880
would want to be approached by a state trooper. But

1342
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.199
I feel that when you're stranded on the side of

1343
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:11.720
the highway in a snowstorm and your car is busted down,

1344
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:13.800
that might be the one time.

1345
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:17.199
I mean, spoken like a real person who doesn't travel

1346
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.680
really long stretches all the time. I mean, state troopers

1347
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.039
are like your lifeline for most things, because there are

1348
01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:24.680
a lot of times you're on these roads and they're

1349
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.439
the only people that always go up and down them. Yeah.

1350
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.199
You know, you have no guarantee anybody else will ever

1351
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.239
go up that stretch of road, but a state trooper might.

1352
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.960
Yeah. So a state troopers at the window, and you

1353
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.720
do notice that his car looks kind of old.

1354
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.479
Yeah, it's out, it's out in the background. But yeah,

1355
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:47.720
when we get a good look at it is clearly

1356
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:49.279
a fifties era car.

1357
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:52.560
Yeah, and his outfit also seems.

1358
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.000
Oh, it definitely seems antiquated.

1359
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:58.199
Yeah, but he he knocks on the window and then

1360
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.079
informs them that they can't park here.

1361
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.159
Yeah, but not in a hilarious way that guy on

1362
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.319
YouTube or on a TikTok or whatever it is that

1363
01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:07.760
you can't park here to crash cars. Yeah, he just

1364
01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:10.119
but he's like dead serious. He's not being funny, he's

1365
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.079
not being cute. He's just like, you can't park here, Yeah,

1366
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:16.439
you can't park here. And and girl is like, this

1367
01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:20.000
is a shakedown. Yeah, And she basically suggests that he's

1368
01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:22.199
probably partners with the person who ran them off the road,

1369
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.239
so now they'll have to pay this guy off. So

1370
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.199
she tells guy like, how much money do you have

1371
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.520
on you? How much cash? And she starts working with

1372
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.279
him to you know, come up with a little pile

1373
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:36.840
of money. Yeah. Well, and it's clear that, by the way,

1374
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:40.039
we didn't really mention this, but it's very clear Girl

1375
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.479
is definitely from a more affluent background than guy, Like

1376
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:47.319
without a doubt. I mean, girl's talking NonStop about you know,

1377
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:52.560
ski trips. Because there's a reference at some point where

1378
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.920
when they're talking about their free frostbite and she knows

1379
01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:57.279
how to treat it, and she says ski ski camp

1380
01:17:57.399 --> 01:17:59.720
or what that's where she learned everything about frostbite. So

1381
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.840
it makes sense. But yeah, so she's clearly from a

1382
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:06.199
more affluent background than he is, and she clearly has

1383
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.439
way more money in her wallet. Although this is two

1384
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:10.920
thousand and seven and they were going on a road

1385
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:12.640
trip because I think he said he had like almost

1386
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:17.319
forty or eighty dollars on him, I can't remember which. Yeah,

1387
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.119
you you needed to have some cash on you in

1388
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:22.760
case back in those days. Oh yeah, nowadays you can

1389
01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:25.479
get away most places take a debit card, but like

1390
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:26.199
back then.

1391
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.199
It was real hit or miss sometimes.

1392
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:30.479
Oh yeah, My mom was so old school when I

1393
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:32.159
would go when I first started traveling all the time,

1394
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:33.680
she was like, you need to have one hundred dollars.

1395
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:37.680
And I was like, Mom, that's insane. I have forty

1396
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.520
dollars or sixty. I'll have sixty dollars. Yeah, sixty dollars

1397
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.520
carry one hundred dollars. Man, what if I lose it?

1398
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.319
Yeah, then I lost one hundred dollars.

1399
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:49.560
Yeah so but yeah, so they she pulls together the

1400
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:52.319
money and insists that she'll take care of this because

1401
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.520
she's sweet talked her way out of a lot more

1402
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.840
speeding tickets than he has. And he's like, yeah, okay,

1403
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.199
So she goes up to the cop and you know,

1404
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.880
tries to give them the money and he what did

1405
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:10.199
he say? He said, uh, oh, yeah, he said some

1406
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:15.319
weather we're having, Yeah, which is so creepy because it's

1407
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:18.000
like it's literally like a horrible, devastating store and we

1408
01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:20.159
can all see that we're all very cold.

1409
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:27.359
Yeah. This is not casually comment kind of bad weather.

1410
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:31.840
This is real bad weather. So yeah, he says, what

1411
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:35.000
bad weather we're having, and then he says awfully bad

1412
01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:40.880
Stretcher road here, which yeah, okay, and that's when she

1413
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.520
starts explaining. She's like, yeah, we can't move our car.

1414
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:48.600
Our cars broke down. And he says, yeah, you're you

1415
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.399
have to move your car. You can't park here, awfully

1416
01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.800
bad stretcher road here. You mean you need to come

1417
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:58.640
with me, and he starts insisting that she needs to

1418
01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:03.399
get in her in his trooper car. They start arguing

1419
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:07.000
fighting over it, and he's like dragging her and pushing

1420
01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:08.960
her to the car. He opens up cargo.

1421
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.920
He says this whole thing about we have to come

1422
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.960
up with some kind of arrangement. Yeah, he's saying, like

1423
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:15.520
I can overlook this, but we have to come up

1424
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.039
with an arrangement, and he says, I should mention. He

1425
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.840
says that this road has all kinds of trouble, like kids,

1426
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:28.039
drag racing. He uses the N word. Oh yeah, he says,

1427
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:33.239
you know, N words, hauling booze across state lines, lady

1428
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.199
drivers breaking down and no one ever sees them again.

1429
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:41.520
So now you you realize, like this guy is clearly

1430
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.920
out of time and something is seriously not right with him.

1431
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.159
Yeah you know, yeah so, and then he starts trying

1432
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:50.640
to get her into the car. But I just want

1433
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:52.279
to mention because the whole thing where he says, like

1434
01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:56.479
he says kids are running or drag racing, and I

1435
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.239
mean using the N word alone, that is very shocking.

1436
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:04.039
In the fifties, it would still be pretty inappropriate, but like,

1437
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.840
you know, you'd be like, Okay, I guess you're just

1438
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.920
one of those fucking people. But uh, but it's saying

1439
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:14.439
they're hauling booze across state lines. I mean that's not modern,

1440
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:19.000
not the current era. No, so, yeah, he tries to

1441
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:19.600
get her in the car.

1442
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:21.520
He tries, he tries to get her in the car,

1443
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:26.520
and that's when guy gets out of their car with

1444
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:28.439
like a big baseball bat.

1445
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.560
I think I think it was an.

1446
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:35.720
Or something like that, some some big long tool and

1447
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:41.840
whacks the cop in the head, which causes a ripple.

1448
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.039
That's the only way I can describe it. It causes

1449
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:51.920
a ripple, and everything kind of distorts. And then suddenly

1450
01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:56.199
they're both back in the car and one of his hands,

1451
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:58.560
the hand that was like holding on.

1452
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.359
To yeah, both of his hands, yeah, holding onto the crowbar.

1453
01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:02.039
It was a crowbar.

1454
01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:08.279
Crowbar. They're totally frozen and like dangerously frozen. And then

1455
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.279
that's when she mentions, like, okay, I know what to

1456
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:15.479
do from ski camp starts warming him up on her

1457
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:16.319
on her stomach.

1458
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:21.039
One thing about the patrol car, though, the patrolman that

1459
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.680
was worth mentioning too, is when he's telling her to

1460
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:25.399
get in the car, he tells her like, come on,

1461
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.840
we've got an audience. And up on the hill all

1462
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:33.479
around them are those black those figures all dressed in black.

1463
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.399
Oh that's right, Yeah, they're all watching, which is very ominous,

1464
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:41.199
but also tells you like, okay, this is all kind

1465
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.079
of tied together. And obviously you and I, I mean,

1466
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:44.840
we've seen this movie a bunch, so we know what's

1467
01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:47.239
going to happen, and when to some extent, But the

1468
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:50.720
way this movie unfolds in front of you is very

1469
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:57.560
it's very what's the term, like it intentionally disorients you, yes,

1470
01:22:57.560 --> 01:23:00.119
and then kind of reorients you to play with you.

1471
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:01.119
Yeah.

1472
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:06.079
So now that they've been back, they've realized, now we're noticing, like,

1473
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.079
you don't want to come in contact with whatever these

1474
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:10.359
things are. They appear to be ghosts. You don't want

1475
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:13.960
to come into contact with them because they freeze you. Yeah,

1476
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.479
but also if you hurt them, it just kind of

1477
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:25.199
resets the sloop at some point. M So that's a

1478
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:28.680
spicy meatball. And now they've got to figure out, well,

1479
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:31.680
what do we do if we have a ghost cop

1480
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:37.520
after us on top of the possibility of hypothermia after this.

1481
01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:53.880
So they're huddled up in the car trying to stay warm.

1482
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.960
I do like, although this didn't happen immediately at this point,

1483
01:23:57.960 --> 01:23:59.199
at some point when they were in the car, there

1484
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.920
was a great moment by the way where he says,

1485
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:04.960
you know, there's a better way for two people to

1486
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:08.279
conserve warmth, and she says, dream on. But then I

1487
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:10.920
love they linger on her and she likes smirks a

1488
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.840
little like she's amused by him, by him pulling that,

1489
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:17.000
she's kind of like, na, He's okay, you.

1490
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:22.600
Know, yeah, that was so smooth. So they're I mean,

1491
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:27.560
they're obviously getting along, yeah, to some extent. And that's

1492
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:32.520
what I like so much is this isn't This isn't

1493
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:36.319
a black and white. He's an evil, evil person who

1494
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.319
was trying to ruin her life because he's a stalker.

1495
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.359
It's not. He's just this awkward guy who like got

1496
01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:45.359
a stupid idea in his head.

1497
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.039
Well, in his words, he doesn't have a game, he

1498
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:51.279
doesn't have a line. Yeah, he doesn't know how to

1499
01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:53.159
meet girls, as.

1500
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:56.399
The kids say, nowadays, he doesn't have any riz.

1501
01:24:56.239 --> 01:24:58.520
No riz no riz detected.

1502
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:04.640
So she's rummaging through the car, trying to find stuff

1503
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:07.239
to help them stay warm, to like patch up the

1504
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:12.279
window or you know, extra blankets whatever, And she finds

1505
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.600
the papers that he brought from the house, and she

1506
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:21.720
finds a newspaper describing an accident from December twenty third,

1507
01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:30.600
nineteen fifty three, and she starts to realize that this road,

1508
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:36.000
on this night is all tied together. All of these

1509
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:39.640
accidents are tied together, and now they are tied with it,

1510
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:43.760
and so she thinks that they need to take turns

1511
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:49.079
through the night watching for these apparitions. She wakes up

1512
01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:52.119
in the middle of the night like she'd like she'd

1513
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:55.399
accidentally fallen asleep, and then just kind of was startled

1514
01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:59.640
to wake because she senses something. The radio turns on

1515
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.159
and it's playing Rocket around the Christmas Tree.

1516
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.640
Which we had heard right before the cop showed up

1517
01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:06.159
last time.

1518
01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:09.439
Yeah, so she turns it off. She thinks it's just

1519
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:14.359
a glitch, and then the window beside her shatters and

1520
01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:20.119
someone reaches in. Then suddenly we're in the past. It's

1521
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.279
presumably the fifties based on how everyone is dressed, and

1522
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:29.920
I love it because the film is much more grainy.

1523
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.359
They do a totally different exposure. Well, and it's daytime,

1524
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:37.520
and it's daytime, whereas everything else is mostly night. And

1525
01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:42.640
again it's that state trooper reaches into the car window

1526
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.680
and pulls her out and throws her into the patrol car.

1527
01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:51.760
But now she's some blonde lady and there's people in

1528
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:56.000
black watching them in the woods, just like moments before

1529
01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.840
when the cop when the state trooper was trying to

1530
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:02.079
pull her in, there was people all around them. Then

1531
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:08.399
back in reality, guy wakes up and girl is in

1532
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:09.319
a trance.

1533
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.720
Almost looks like she's having a seizure.

1534
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:17.399
Yeah, I really like the effect. What it looked like

1535
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:19.640
they did is they had her act out like she

1536
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.159
was sleeping and they filmed it, but then they sped

1537
01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:26.279
it way up, so she's twitching. Yeah, really weird and

1538
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.880
it's very eerie. He tries to wake her up. He's

1539
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:34.760
like shaking her and not not quite yelling at her,

1540
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.880
but like raising his voice at her to wake her up,

1541
01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:40.439
and she won't wake up. And then again the radio

1542
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:46.680
starts and stops, and then this deadly cold air starts

1543
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:52.560
seeping in. It's so cold that like it's almost like steam.

1544
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:58.319
Yeah, it's it's it's insanely cold, like bizarrely cold. Yeah.

1545
01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:00.439
And this is as we're seeing the cop like ditching

1546
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:02.159
bodies basically.

1547
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:05.960
Yeah, because back in her dream, the cop has taken

1548
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.399
her into the woods, throwing her in a hole in

1549
01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:12.119
the ground, different woman, and burying her in the woods.

1550
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:18.439
She finally wakes up and he embraces her, but someone's

1551
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:22.279
like pawing at the window, and someone else is rocking

1552
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:29.199
the car, and there's loud noises all around them. Suddenly

1553
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:34.760
it all stops and they think that they're safe. It's

1554
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:40.479
five point eight am. They're talking and he asks what

1555
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:43.079
happened to the guy that she was supposed to go

1556
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:47.039
to Cabo with, And this is where she kind of

1557
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.560
gets really vulnerable with him, and she says that she

1558
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:54.479
messed it up, and she thinks that she's just a

1559
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:59.640
difficult person and that she doesn't blame him for calling

1560
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:05.439
things off, and guy kind of like says like, well,

1561
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:08.600
I couldn't. I wouldn't be upset with you. I don't

1562
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:12.520
think you're a difficult person and really tries to lift

1563
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.760
her up, but not in that not in a disingenuous way.

1564
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.000
Now it seems like he really is he has enjoyed

1565
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:24.359
spending time with her, not just because he's some crazy fanatic,

1566
01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:32.520
but he does actually enjoy her company. She as she's talking,

1567
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.159
she's like going through all of their stuff, trying to

1568
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:38.800
take stock of what they have to survive with, and

1569
01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.600
she finds a water bottle and at first she's kind

1570
01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:44.800
of grossed out because it's filled with pea, but then

1571
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:51.119
she also realizes it's not just urine. There's lots of

1572
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:52.039
blood in it.

1573
01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:56.319
Yeah, there's some jam in the lemonade. That means things

1574
01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:59.720
are not okay, and that's when we start to realize

1575
01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:01.600
he's not doing well. And earlier, by the way, when

1576
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:03.199
he was coughing, when you mentioned he was coughing, I

1577
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:08.319
saw him cough up blood. Yeah, so he's revealed that

1578
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:12.600
he's been coughing at blood. That that's why he didn't

1579
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.760
make it to the gas station. In reality, was because

1580
01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:19.600
he couldn't he realized how bad he was feeling. We

1581
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.800
start to notice he's looking really pale. He's not doing

1582
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.720
so good. He's probably got severe internal injuries from the

1583
01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:29.159
car accident, and he's obviously been keeping it from her

1584
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:31.920
because he doesn't want to scare her, make her worry

1585
01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:36.840
or what have you. And that's a pretty you know,

1586
01:30:37.039 --> 01:30:41.279
a pretty hefty reveal that he's not entirely, you know,

1587
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:44.960
a selfish actor. You know, he just is a guy

1588
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:46.840
who doesn't know how to talk to women, who just

1589
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:49.680
had a wild idea and decided to go for it.

1590
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:53.279
Because you know, it's like that's saying every frozen dead

1591
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:56.279
body you see on Everest was a was a motivated

1592
01:30:56.359 --> 01:31:02.159
and determined individual. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what

1593
01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:06.439
we have here. And unfortunately, things are not going to

1594
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.039
get much better, but we'll have to talk about that

1595
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:22.640
after this. I do want to let it be said.

1596
01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:25.439
I meant to say this earlier, but I do want

1597
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.960
to make it be said. Let it be known. In

1598
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:30.560
my opinion, the first thing they should have done when

1599
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:34.960
the car crash was head to that gas station. Yeah. Yeah,

1600
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:36.239
I just want to put my two cents in. That

1601
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:37.720
would have been the first thing I would be like, no,

1602
01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:41.239
we got to get out of here and go do that. Yeah.

1603
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:43.239
I just want to mention that because like, as far

1604
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:45.600
as survival goes, that would have been my first thought

1605
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.279
would be, like, one of us needs to go to

1606
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:50.920
that gas station because it wasn't super far away. No,

1607
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.359
but I also Devil's advocate could understand why they would

1608
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.720
just stay in the car. I mean, it's really really cold,

1609
01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:01.840
neither of them is dressed particularly well for it. And

1610
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:07.479
also they just maybe four miles ago got gas, so

1611
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:13.319
if the gas tank hadn't been cracked, in theory, they

1612
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:15.159
would have been able to sit in the car and

1613
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.159
run the heater all night. Yeah, So that's worth mentioning.

1614
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.600
No, I get that because that was That's always been

1615
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:28.439
my thought is when you know when you're in an

1616
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:32.439
emergency situation like that, it's good to stay with the

1617
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:37.000
car because it's much easier to insulate the car and

1618
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.520
keep the car warm than it would be to keep

1619
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:41.800
yourself warm outside.

1620
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:46.319
Yeah, but they are on a major road, true, so

1621
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.359
like it's not like they would have to know, like

1622
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:52.079
it would be difficult to know how to get back

1623
01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:52.760
to that gas station.

1624
01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:54.760
Yeah, because it's pretty much just follow the road back.

1625
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.479
Made be follow the road and then make a left

1626
01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.720
or whatever, because they made it right onto there. Because

1627
01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:00.399
as far as I know, they only made one turn

1628
01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:03.680
after the gas station. And it's really up to interpretation

1629
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.520
as to how long on six o six they were

1630
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:08.079
on because it was, you know, a minute or so,

1631
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:10.119
So my guess would be like less than five miles

1632
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:14.319
six miles, Yeah, maybe maybe much less. But you're also

1633
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:16.920
out by the Poconos, so you're dealing with mountain roads

1634
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.640
and they twist and turn and zig and zag and

1635
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:24.920
do all kinds of things. Nature's fun like that, yay nature.

1636
01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:36.479
So she's realized, however, that staying in the car is

1637
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:44.239
not wise, but he's not fit to leave. So she

1638
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:47.159
at first she has this thought of like, well, she'll

1639
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:51.000
just go to the gas station and she'll get help

1640
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:55.199
and he can stay here. But he's really worried about

1641
01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:59.319
the weird ghostly apparitions they've been seeing and that.

1642
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:03.600
Cop who is clearly up to and an out for

1643
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:07.199
a woman looking for a female victim.

1644
01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:11.479
So that's when she gets the idea. She's looking around,

1645
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:16.000
taking stock of what they have at their disposal, and

1646
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:18.479
you know, again, they're on a main road.

1647
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:26.560
There's well it's Pennsylvania, but a bum.

1648
01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:30.800
There, and there are you know, electricity poles, there's telephone poles,

1649
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:34.920
and she realizes there's a junction box like right there

1650
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:39.600
on the telephone pole, and guy having packed up all

1651
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:42.680
his earthly belongings and this being two thousand and seven,

1652
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:47.279
some people still had landlines and he has an old

1653
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:48.159
landline phone.

1654
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:52.560
She's like, I remember seeing in You're Junk a phone. Yeah,

1655
01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.239
So she digs through and sure enough, in a shoe box,

1656
01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:59.000
there's a telephone, a landline, there's.

1657
01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:02.880
There's the there is the chance for their salvation.

1658
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:05.239
And this is a good example, as you were mentioning

1659
01:35:05.359 --> 01:35:09.279
of her being smart but also being motivated. Mm hmm,

1660
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.119
because it's not that she was dumb or lazy. I

1661
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.439
really do think that a lot of it came down to, Like,

1662
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.960
Originally they were stranded on the side of the road

1663
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:21.800
at night in the freezing cold with a full tank

1664
01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:26.079
of gas. Not great, but not the scariest circumstance. Ever,

1665
01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:31.159
then it becomes they could freeze to death. Scarier but

1666
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:34.600
still like, maybe they should just huddle together, wait till

1667
01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.199
the sun comes up and see what happens. Because it

1668
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:38.439
is a major road.

1669
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:42.000
Yeah, someone will come by eventually.

1670
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:45.119
Somehow, probably, you know, or at the very least they

1671
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:47.560
can get around. It'll be warmer during the day. They

1672
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.760
could try their best whatever. Now you know, they've got

1673
01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:55.840
these weird ghost like apparition things happening. That's encouraging them

1674
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:57.680
to stay in the car as well, although the car

1675
01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:00.000
doesn't see. Although it's scurrilous as to if the car

1676
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:04.640
could actually keep them safe, it's better than nothing. Yeah,

1677
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.079
But now that he is very, very ill, he's not

1678
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.039
well and he needs medical attention, she's ready to just

1679
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:14.640
freaking get this shit done.

1680
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:16.560
Yeah, and he.

1681
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:18.720
Is not okay with her heading to the gas station.

1682
01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.680
She also knows that that might be really dangerous, so

1683
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:25.520
she comes up with this plot to climb the phone

1684
01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:30.079
tower in the frigid cold. Remember wind chills negative twenty

1685
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:32.359
or negative thirty was what they say in the movie.

1686
01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:36.960
That's really rough. Yeah, but she heads out to climb

1687
01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:40.680
that thing that a phone poll, and I've never wanted

1688
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:42.800
to climb one. Every time I look at them, I'm like, no.

1689
01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.920
I had a neighbor years and well, at my old

1690
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:51.439
babysitters house years ago, they had one of those TV

1691
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:53.239
antennas that's way up in the air, but not on

1692
01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:55.520
the house. It's to the side with the little bars.

1693
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:57.479
Oh yeah, and me and other kids we used to

1694
01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:59.720
like dare each other see how far up you'd climb it.

1695
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:02.359
And I'd always chicken out after, like I got maybe

1696
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:04.600
seven feet up because it would go I mean it

1697
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:06.640
went really, I mean I was a kid. I bet

1698
01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:08.319
it went up eighteen feet. It feels like it went

1699
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:10.680
up thirty feet because I was a kid. Yeah, short,

1700
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:12.840
but yeah, I would not want to climb that. But

1701
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:16.800
she's climbing this thing. And their plan for this to

1702
01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:21.039
work is that he's in the car waiting and listening

1703
01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:25.239
for that the Christmas song because that always plays when

1704
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:26.760
the cop is around.

1705
01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:30.199
Yeah. Well, and you forgot the sweet moment that they

1706
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:34.560
had very briefly before she goes out to climb the

1707
01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:38.880
telephone pole because as she's as she's getting ready, they

1708
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:42.439
are kind of having a heart to heart and she

1709
01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:44.560
tells them, you know, just listen to the radio. If

1710
01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:47.600
you hear the song, that's when we know that the

1711
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.279
state trooper's coming. So let me know. And and she

1712
01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:55.479
kind of asks what he would do different if they

1713
01:37:55.560 --> 01:38:00.560
could do all of this over again, and he's that

1714
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:04.279
instead of coming up with this whole scheme, he would

1715
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:08.359
just walk up to her after class and say hi, Like, yeah,

1716
01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:12.479
that's all it took. There wasn't some big secret thing

1717
01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.520
he had to do. He just had to say hi.

1718
01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:18.439
They get her along just fine, and then they kiss.

1719
01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:21.000
They have this really sweet kiss.

1720
01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:25.079
Well, and what I love about the kiss is it's

1721
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:29.560
not a big fat movie kiss. They bring their heads together,

1722
01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:33.640
she kisses him on the forehead and then on the cheek,

1723
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:36.399
and then they kill like it. It feels very natural.

1724
01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:39.680
It doesn't feel forced. Yeah, I know, it is a

1725
01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:43.880
really it is a really sweet, bitter sweet moment because

1726
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:45.600
when he says he would have done that, she's like,

1727
01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:49.079
that would work, yeah, you know, But you know, at

1728
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:50.760
the same time, she's also really gotten to know the

1729
01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:52.920
kind of person he is in a lot of different ways,

1730
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:55.319
you know, because you can learn a lot about somebody

1731
01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:57.640
by how they act in the worst situation.

1732
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:00.000
And this is a not a great situation.

1733
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:04.359
It's up there, it's up there, and she's about to

1734
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:09.680
climb up that pole and hopefully reach out and touch

1735
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:25.199
someone right after this. Okay, So she's on her way

1736
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.479
up the phone pole. She gets up to the junction box.

1737
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.279
This is one of my favorite moments because there's a

1738
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:33.359
lock on it and she's like nervous about it, and

1739
01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:36.159
she grabs the scissors hits the edge of the box.

1740
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:39.159
It wasn't even locked, which I just love that moment

1741
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:41.439
because why would it be locked. It's literally a junction

1742
01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:44.119
box in the middle of nowhere. What are you protecting?

1743
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:46.159
Who's going up there?

1744
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:50.840
Yeah, So she plugs it in and she dials nine

1745
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:55.760
one one and the connection is not great. No, and

1746
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:58.000
she's talking to a dispatcher from nine to one one,

1747
01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:00.359
but they keep saying like I'm having try hearing you,

1748
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:02.279
I'm having trouble hearing you. She yells, you know, we're

1749
01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:03.960
on route six o six, six o six, like we

1750
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:12.520
need help. We need help. It goes dead. Hopefully somebody

1751
01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.399
heard something, but.

1752
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:21.800
She can't be sure. And to make matters worse, while

1753
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:26.279
she's up there, she hears the radio in the car

1754
01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:30.760
start to crackle and it starts playing Rocking around the

1755
01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:36.600
Christmas Tree. So she hustles down as fast as she

1756
01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:42.199
can off the pole, and when she gets down onto

1757
01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:48.039
the snowy ground, she's confronted by this woman who's all

1758
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:54.039
bruised and battered and barefoot, and the woman just kind

1759
01:40:54.039 --> 01:40:57.000
of looks at her and goes off on her way.

1760
01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:04.119
Girl gets back to the car and is hopeful, confident

1761
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:10.079
that she's gotten through. She starts celebrating with guy, trying

1762
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:11.520
to talk to him, trying to tell him like, I

1763
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:13.479
think I got through. I think I got through to someone.

1764
01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:19.680
I think we're gonna be okay, and then realizes he's gone.

1765
01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:21.720
Yeah.

1766
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:26.279
It's five forty three am and she's pulling him out

1767
01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:31.319
of the car. She sees headlights approaching, but she can't

1768
01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:33.920
get back into the car. You know. At first she

1769
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:37.520
thinks it's the state trooper, but then she realizes that

1770
01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:40.920
she didn't hear the song and it's a truck. It's

1771
01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:44.439
not a you know, true patrol car, snowplows, it's snowplow.

1772
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.600
So the snowplow guy he heard her call and he's

1773
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:49.399
come out to get her.

1774
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:52.880
Well they I'm sure that dispatch got sent him. Yeah,

1775
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:53.760
he wouldn't hear it.

1776
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:55.800
I mean he didn't he try.

1777
01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:59.079
And he was looking on at her when she went

1778
01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:02.520
through the grow the uh not grocery, the restaurant at

1779
01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:04.720
the Oh yeah, which is a nice touch too, was

1780
01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:06.600
he was one of the like four people that were

1781
01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:07.319
in the restaurant.

1782
01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.039
I totally didn't catch that, you did.

1783
01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:11.159
Yeah, yeah, he totally looked on at her a couple

1784
01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:15.119
of times, which I wondered if that was meant to

1785
01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:17.920
make us one wonder if he was like suspicious or something.

1786
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.800
I don't know, but uh, but yeah, he was totally

1787
01:42:20.840 --> 01:42:22.119
there in the gas station.

1788
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:23.159
Oh cool.

1789
01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:25.159
Well that makes sense if he works out there. That's

1790
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:27.000
one of like the only places you could like hang

1791
01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:27.800
out and grab a bite.

1792
01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:33.319
Yeah. Yeah, no, that makes makes complete sense. So the

1793
01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:39.760
still plow driver he helps her get guy's body into

1794
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:44.960
his truck and he radios out about her, you know, says,

1795
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.640
you know, get ready, I've got this survivor and she's

1796
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:52.079
gonna need help. And he starts starts driving her into town,

1797
01:42:52.279 --> 01:42:57.680
and he begins explaining the history of the road and

1798
01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:00.760
he says that it's been a bad stretch of road

1799
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:05.600
ever since the fifties. Yes, and back then a state

1800
01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:10.399
trooper would bring people out here to dispose of them.

1801
01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:17.520
And then at one point he killed a couple teenagers,

1802
01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:21.960
a young couple because he was drunk and driving and

1803
01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:29.560
he just walked free. And a family frozen their car.

1804
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:33.720
And she even asks, like, what about what about the priests,

1805
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:35.920
and he says, oh, yeah, there was the priests that

1806
01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:38.920
lived on this road, their houses in the woods.

1807
01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:41.640
Yeah, winter of sixty one, and they all froze. Today

1808
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.560
we're all found froze to death in their beds, which

1809
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:48.039
in hindsight, I think might have been the doing of

1810
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:48.560
the cop.

1811
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:51.079
Oh you think so, because why would they.

1812
01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:52.640
All freeze in their beds? I mean it could it

1813
01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:56.640
could be that the uh, the winter just got to them.

1814
01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:59.439
But I don't know, not in sixty one.

1815
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:01.920
I mean, they know where they live, they built there.

1816
01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:05.239
So and did you mention I'm sorry I missed the

1817
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:07.159
did you mention it was it was a house for

1818
01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:08.199
retired priests?

1819
01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:09.279
No, I didn't.

1820
01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:11.840
Yeah, that's that's what it was, a dormitory for retired

1821
01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:15.199
clergy because he mentions that they had those priests had

1822
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:17.880
been very active on that road. They had found people

1823
01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:21.640
who crashed cars and like, uh and uh braved inclement

1824
01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:24.800
weather to deliver the last rights for them and stuff.

1825
01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:27.279
And we so we're like, okay, so there's a lot

1826
01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:31.479
going on here. Yeah, but the way the snowplow driver's talking,

1827
01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:35.399
this strip of road has been kind of a legend

1828
01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:38.600
around there, yeah, because he's been hearing about it since

1829
01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:39.319
he was a child.

1830
01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.560
Yeah, and everyone apparently everyone talks about it. Everyone knows

1831
01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:48.039
about it around here. And as he's explaining the history

1832
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:52.880
of the road, his radio turns on and it's planned

1833
01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:57.039
rocking around the Christmas tree and they see headlights approaching

1834
01:44:57.119 --> 01:45:02.520
head on and he picks up his radio receiver and

1835
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:04.640
kind of jokes around and says like, oh, this must

1836
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:08.000
be you know Tom, I'm gonna radio into him. Let

1837
01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.199
him know that, you know, we're right in front of him.

1838
01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:11.319
He needs to slow down.

1839
01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:13.359
Well, you know, he just said it must be Tom.

1840
01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:15.720
He's just all smiled. He's like, hey Tom, Yeah, And

1841
01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:20.039
one of the most badass moments of the movie is

1842
01:45:20.199 --> 01:45:23.920
girl just clicks her seatbelt and goes, that's not tom.

1843
01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:27.840
I thought that was such a love an awesome moment.

1844
01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:31.880
They get they hit into the car, they go flying,

1845
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:37.039
and that that plow truck gets freaking demolished. I mean,

1846
01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:40.600
like all the windows are gone. Yeah, but it lands

1847
01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:42.359
ends up somewhat upright.

1848
01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:48.720
There are days and there are days.

1849
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:51.279
And it is not over yet after this.

1850
01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:09.000
So she's in the wreckage of the plow truck and

1851
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:11.439
the plow truck driver tells her to stay in the truck.

1852
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.439
He's gonna go check on the other driver. And she's

1853
01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:18.319
pleading with him because she knows a little bit now

1854
01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:21.279
and you know, says, don't do it, don't don't leave,

1855
01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:24.039
don't leave the truck, don't go to the other car.

1856
01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:27.239
It's not safe. And he won't listen to her, No,

1857
01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.840
not at all, because he doesn't he doesn't know, and

1858
01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:33.880
he's out here to rescue people. So he's gonna do

1859
01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:35.479
is gonna do his job.

1860
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:37.479
Yeah. The first thing he has to think about is

1861
01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:39.920
I have to find the other driver. But much like before,

1862
01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:41.760
there is no other there.

1863
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:44.479
Is no other driver. But then as he's wandering through

1864
01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:50.079
the woods, he does find a burning car. There's burning

1865
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:55.239
wreckage of a car and she begs him to leave

1866
01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:57.199
it alone and he won't listen.

1867
01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:58.720
And it's a cop car.

1868
01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:03.279
It's a cop car. It's an old retro fifties cop car.

1869
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:09.880
And she gets out of the truck, gets onto the road,

1870
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:15.640
turns and looks and there's guy's car. They didn't get

1871
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:21.880
any further. She has been transported back to the car.

1872
01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:29.239
She runs over to the guy, to the plow truck guy,

1873
01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:34.560
and tells him to stay away from the cop car.

1874
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:38.800
It's definitely not safe now. And then we start hearing

1875
01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:41.800
rocking around the Christmas tree coming from the cop car,

1876
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:46.520
and it gets louder and louder, and then we start

1877
01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:51.159
seeing tons of people in the woods kind of surrounding

1878
01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:59.239
the car. The priests come and they take the radio

1879
01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:05.399
receiver from the cop car, and the cop reaches out

1880
01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:10.359
and he's he's burning and he starts screaming that everything

1881
01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:17.199
was legally done. He did this all legally. He's totally enveloped.

1882
01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:18.960
They have no right to judge him.

1883
01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:25.600
Yeah, no right to judge him. And it's so spooky

1884
01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:30.880
the way he's completely frantic about being in the right,

1885
01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:34.039
but not completely frantic about being on fire.

1886
01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:37.359
Well, yeah, I mean he's surrounded by flames, and it

1887
01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:42.840
becomes very obvious that these priests have witnessed all of

1888
01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:47.520
these atrocities with no power to do anything, you know.

1889
01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:50.279
I mean, well, first of all, priest aren't They don't fight,

1890
01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:56.399
that's not their deal, you know, their theirs, conscientious objectors

1891
01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:00.359
and pacifists. But on top of that, you know, what

1892
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:02.159
would they do. Who do they report him to? He's

1893
01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:04.840
the police in the area, he's this, that, and the other.

1894
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:08.800
So the idea that one fateful night he flipped his car,

1895
01:49:09.560 --> 01:49:12.720
got himself, you know, stuck, and then the priest showed

1896
01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:14.720
up like they do every time there's a wreck on

1897
01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:18.720
that road that they go and see. This time they

1898
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.119
see him there. So they just rip the receiver off

1899
01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:26.720
the radio so he can't call for help and leave him.

1900
01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:29.319
It's the only way they can stop him. But it's

1901
01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:32.800
also why I wonder if maybe that was what caused

1902
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.520
them to freeze to death. I don't know that that'll

1903
01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:38.399
be known, yeah, or that we can know that from

1904
01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:40.520
what the movie gives us, But like, why else did

1905
01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:42.159
they all freeze to death in their beds?

1906
01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:42.479
You know?

1907
01:49:42.920 --> 01:49:44.800
I mean, it could be that the weather's just that bad,

1908
01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:49.039
but I don't know. Yeah, but after they leave him

1909
01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.520
in there and he's screaming the monks or the monks

1910
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:53.479
they look like monks because they're all dressed the same.

1911
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.960
H The priests all leave, and we think things are

1912
01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:00.000
gonna cal mm down. But then the cop jumps out

1913
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:03.600
and grabs tries to get girl, grabs the tow truck driver,

1914
01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:07.600
and that's when we see what happens, because he grabs

1915
01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.560
the tow truck driver and he freezes. He just holds

1916
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.640
onto him and he freezes entirely head to toe. Yeah,

1917
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:16.399
he just freezes solid. So and that's why I was like,

1918
01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:21.199
maybe that's what happened to the to the monks, now

1919
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:23.800
that you mention it, he could just have frozen each

1920
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:27.399
of them. But it's also it's very murky because if

1921
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:29.319
you haven't picked on on it by now, the concept

1922
01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:32.920
of the ghost is that they're repetitive. They're doing repetitive things. Yes,

1923
01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:34.880
they're they're on a kind of a cycle, but it

1924
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:36.439
can be slightly altered.

1925
01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:37.640
Mm hm.

1926
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.359
So I don't know if that means that the that

1927
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:43.920
the ghost can actually go for revenge or not. Maybe

1928
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.640
they maybe it was just a freak accident. But the

1929
01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:49.159
other thing is the uh, when he goes and finds

1930
01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:53.079
the When guy goes and finds the priest area, it's

1931
01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:55.239
all burnt down, but that never happened.

1932
01:50:56.079 --> 01:51:00.079
Yeah, And there is no good explanation of why that

1933
01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:01.720
area is all burnt down.

1934
01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:03.880
In that one part, because later when she goes through there,

1935
01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:07.640
it's not burned down any Yeah, it's just extremely abandoned,

1936
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:11.439
like it's in you know, total disrepair. There's almost no roof. Yeah,

1937
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:14.640
but it's not burned down. So but who knows. I

1938
01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:18.279
mean again, different things could be happening because it's only

1939
01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:21.039
once the loop is broken too much that it resets.

1940
01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:26.319
Yes, so yeah, it is. That's why I like it though,

1941
01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:31.159
is because they don't lay out this perfect rule for

1942
01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:34.840
the loop. They just give you enough information of the

1943
01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:38.439
loop is there. Once you're stuck in the loop, the

1944
01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:40.479
only way to get out is to break the loop.

1945
01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:44.479
But you can't break the loop while you're still in

1946
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:47.520
the loop. It's kind of like this catch twenty two.

1947
01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:52.399
Yeah. No, definitely. And also the idea that the ghost

1948
01:51:52.760 --> 01:51:54.600
or any of the ghosts could freeze you to death,

1949
01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:59.800
considering most of the incidents that happen post the fifties

1950
01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:02.640
and sixties. Are people freezing to death because of the weather.

1951
01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:03.239
Mm hmm.

1952
01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:06.760
It's like maybe it's the elements, or maybe it's a combination.

1953
01:52:07.199 --> 01:52:10.439
Yeah, and it could be, you know, the ghosts keep

1954
01:52:10.479 --> 01:52:13.399
you there so that you do freeze to death. But

1955
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.960
I also like that, and and this is this is

1956
01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:19.279
getting a little ahead of ourselves, But I like that

1957
01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:24.640
the ghosts in this movie are not totally malevolent. I

1958
01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:29.840
wouldn't necessarily say that the priests are actively trying to

1959
01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:34.159
help girl and guy, but there is no point in

1960
01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:38.279
like there's once we figure out that the priests are

1961
01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:42.760
the priests. They're spooky, but they're not an oppressive presence.

1962
01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:46.039
They're not like the state trooper that seems like a threat.

1963
01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:47.960
Well, it's also important to keep in mind, I mean,

1964
01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:50.520
they are trying to help girl and guy, just like

1965
01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:53.960
they tried to help everybody else. Yeah, because they what

1966
01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.840
could they do. There were a bunch of old men,

1967
01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.920
yeah I've never fought in their lives, you know who,

1968
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:03.840
who are completely at the mercy of somebody like that cop.

1969
01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:07.439
So I think I mean, just them watching that was

1970
01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:11.239
the only thing they could think of to deter that

1971
01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:13.720
cop from doing things was they would watch him and

1972
01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:16.640
make it clear like we've seen what you're doing, which,

1973
01:53:16.680 --> 01:53:19.640
in a way I'm sure made him feel paranoid or

1974
01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:22.800
or made it more real. Yeah, he was doing bad things.

1975
01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:25.279
That's why. That's why when he's about to burn to death,

1976
01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.640
he's more concerned with like, I never did anything wrong.

1977
01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:31.359
You know, why would you be yelling that if you

1978
01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.000
don't want to burn to death, You should be worried

1979
01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:38.000
about that, not defending your morality. That's because you're worried

1980
01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:38.880
about your morality.

1981
01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:39.560
Yeah.

1982
01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:44.520
So, but now we're back to just girl. Yeah, and

1983
01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:46.840
she's got to figure out how to survive all this

1984
01:53:47.720 --> 01:54:04.680
all over again, all over again, well sort of after this, so.

1985
01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:10.119
Girl all alone now she's only she's really only got

1986
01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:14.279
one option. She goes back to the snowplow, to the

1987
01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:17.880
big truck and tries to get it started because she

1988
01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:23.720
knows that guy's car is totally dead. So that as yeah,

1989
01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:29.159
well that too, I'm sorry. So her really her only

1990
01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:32.279
option to get out of here is that truck. But

1991
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.199
when she gets to the truck, she you know, tries

1992
01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:38.319
to start it, it won't turn over, and the state

1993
01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:43.720
trooper all burned up, comes after her again, and he

1994
01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:47.479
starts grabbing at her, just like he did earlier in

1995
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:49.920
the movie when he was trying to grab at her

1996
01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:54.680
and push her into the trooper vehicle. But as he's

1997
01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:57.800
grabbing at her, which we know is we know now

1998
01:54:57.880 --> 01:55:02.680
is going to be fatal, Guy comes and whacks him

1999
01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:05.960
in the head with a tire iron with a crowbar,

2000
01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:13.560
and time resets again and everything shifts. She's back in

2001
01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:18.680
Guy's car and it's morning. She sees someone outside the

2002
01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:23.760
car and it's Guy. He starts walking away. She gets

2003
01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:28.520
out of the car to follow him, and he he

2004
01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:32.279
starts repeating things that he's said already, but he's saying

2005
01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:34.079
it with so much sincerity.

2006
01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:37.800
I would have told you everything eventually. It would have

2007
01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:41.920
just been this sweet, funny story we'd have, is what

2008
01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:42.359
he says.

2009
01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:48.880
Yeah, and he's leading her through the forest. She follows

2010
01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.000
him through the forest and he leads her through the

2011
01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:54.319
old house, which again now it's not burned down, it's

2012
01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:55.920
just really old and decrepit.

2013
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:58.880
Yeah, there's no corpses everywhere everything.

2014
01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:02.800
It's just an old, abandoned house. So she doesn't even

2015
01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:07.399
see like the full history of it like he did.

2016
01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:12.720
She follows him back through the snow. They kind of

2017
01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:14.960
go through this beautiful journey.

2018
01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:17.760
Well, and one thing I noticed this viewing is when

2019
01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:21.359
she's going up after him, there's no footprints. Oh yeah, yeah,

2020
01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:24.439
footprints in that in the in the wide shot when

2021
01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:25.319
he's way ahead of her.

2022
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:31.800
Yeah, which is a beautiful, beautiful touch. So he leads her,

2023
01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:37.560
and as we follow her through the woods, things slowly

2024
01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:43.560
start getting more familiar. The road is less snowy, and

2025
01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:50.840
she kind of walks around like a wall and comes

2026
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:54.079
out from behind the wall and there's the gas station.

2027
01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:58.800
Yeah, and that's a big reveal that I blew my mind.

2028
01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.399
They didn't know how close they were. I remember I

2029
01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:03.279
was talking about the roads that wind and they kind

2030
01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:05.119
of go and go. But there's no way they could

2031
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:08.359
have known, no, because they didn't have a map or anything.

2032
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:11.039
And also it would have been very dangerous to just

2033
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:14.239
hike straight through those woods not knowing where you're going. Yeah,

2034
01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:16.159
so they would have they were going a long way

2035
01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:18.439
by taking the road around and blah blah blah. So

2036
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:22.560
now she's right back there, but also it's very fitting

2037
01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:30.000
right back where they started basically. Yeah. Yeah, so now

2038
01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:34.399
the place is full maggot emergency vehicles. They're taking care

2039
01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:36.960
of her snow burned hand.

2040
01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:41.079
Yeah, it is just we see a corner.

2041
01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:44.199
Yeah, taking away Guy's body. And then she looks at

2042
01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:47.239
her phone at that picture she took of Guy in

2043
01:57:47.319 --> 01:57:52.960
that moment, and now that photo means everything. Yeah, because

2044
01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:57.039
without him she wouldn't have survived. And without Guy's ghost

2045
01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:01.119
or whatever you want to call it, the the echo

2046
01:58:01.319 --> 01:58:04.239
of who he was, she would have still been stuck

2047
01:58:04.239 --> 01:58:05.880
out there. Who knows if she would have made it

2048
01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:06.199
a lot.

2049
01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:08.479
Yeah, she could have gotten stuck in the.

2050
01:58:08.439 --> 01:58:10.279
Loop with him possibly.

2051
01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:16.119
Yeah, And to me, that is just so the movie,

2052
01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:19.560
to me is kind of about redemption. It's also about

2053
01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:23.039
choice because the reason she is able to get out

2054
01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:27.199
of the loop is because Guy made a choice to

2055
01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:33.159
change his behavior and you know, help her. Not only

2056
01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:37.680
did he directly confront the state trooper, but then he

2057
01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:41.840
approached her to help her get out. Yeah, he didn't

2058
01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:46.640
just keep playing you know, games or charades. He actually,

2059
01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:52.720
you know, you know, did did something on the level.

2060
01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:55.520
Well, and that falls into if you want to go

2061
01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:59.039
a little bit deeper into the Constant's concept of recurrence

2062
01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:05.399
as she saw it, Nietzsche believed in eternal Well, he

2063
01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:09.880
believed in eternal recurrence as a thought experiment, basically stating

2064
01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:13.319
that every decision you make from the day you're born

2065
01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:17.079
until the day you die, you will make again and

2066
01:59:17.159 --> 01:59:22.520
again and again. Every minutia will be identical again and again,

2067
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:26.319
even though in this moment you feel like you're making

2068
01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:27.239
it for the first time.

2069
01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:28.159
Hmmmm.

2070
01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:33.920
Therefore, a way to guide if you are living a

2071
01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:39.119
successful life is would you be okay with that? Or

2072
01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:44.880
would that bring you sorrow? Would you be upset if

2073
01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:45.439
that were true?

2074
01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:48.760
Hmmm, that's interesting.

2075
01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:52.479
So it's a motive to make good choices and to

2076
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:54.359
be a better person.

2077
01:59:55.359 --> 01:59:58.560
That's not the worst reasoning I've heard of.

2078
01:59:59.159 --> 02:00:02.720
I mean, you know, niets she is whatever, But but no,

2079
02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:07.720
that's that's basically the long, very short long of Nietzsche's

2080
02:00:08.439 --> 02:00:13.159
recurring recurrence whatever you call it. But but yeah, and

2081
02:00:13.159 --> 02:00:17.600
and in many ways, I mean there this movie is

2082
02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:21.840
about a person taking a chance and trying to do

2083
02:00:21.920 --> 02:00:25.319
something you know that they would never do, so that

2084
02:00:25.359 --> 02:00:27.119
they could have some memories they would like. And there's

2085
02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:29.319
even a part where she says like, would you live

2086
02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:33.119
this again? And he's like yeah, yeah, So you know,

2087
02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:37.800
there's a beauty in the in the sadness of it all.

2088
02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:42.760
No, I agree, it's a it's a very beautiful film.

2089
02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:48.600
It's a perfect Christmas ghost story. Yeah, like, I really

2090
02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:52.560
can't recommend enough adding it to your holiday watch list.

2091
02:00:52.720 --> 02:00:56.399
No, I I absolutely agree. It's I wouldn't say it's

2092
02:00:56.399 --> 02:00:58.760
one of the it's not like Silent Night, Deadly Night

2093
02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:00.119
where we try to watch it.

2094
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:02.920
Think well, well except maybe the remake when it comes

2095
02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:03.720
out in a couple weeks.

2096
02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.239
So wind Chill. It's not one of the ones where

2097
02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:13.520
we have to watch it every single year. But it

2098
02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:18.279
is certainly one of those movies that once either one

2099
02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:22.399
of us suggests it, we're both super on board to

2100
02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:26.800
watch it because it's such it's the atmosphere is wonderful.

2101
02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:33.760
I love the soundtrack. The musical score is great, very

2102
02:01:33.880 --> 02:01:40.199
very compelling and helps really drive home the snowy atmosphere

2103
02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:41.800
without being too christmasy.

2104
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:43.079
Yeah, I get you.

2105
02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:46.359
But yeah, just just a great movie.

2106
02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:50.479
So definitely check that out. I know you'll like it.

2107
02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.920
Wind Chill from two thousand and seven, and next time

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when we come back it'll be about a week or so.

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Who knows, we'll be talking about a film another Christmas

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Road Ghost Story, a movie that is bizarrely like wind Well,

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Windchill is bizarrely like it, but there are a lot

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of deviations. They don't have the same ending at all

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or anything like that, but they are very similar movies,

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to the point where I was describing wind Chill to

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somebody and they thought I was talking about dead End,

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and I was like, oh, no, I've seen that, though.

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I like dead End. And that's two thousand and three's

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dead End, another Christmas horror ghost travel movie. You can

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watch it free on two B Pluto TV, Amazon Prime Video,

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and Plex, or rent it wherever you rent movies. So, kids,

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that is your holiday homework. Give dead End a watch

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and we'll be talking about it real, real soon. And yeah,

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that's really what it's all about. That and eternal recurrence. Yeah,

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so thank you all so much for tuning into another

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epist sort of cutting deep into horror. If you want

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much for tuning in and giving us an excuse to

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rewatch Windchill. But now it's time to make like a

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present and wrap this up, So Rach I'll give you

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the final word.

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Stay on the main highway. It's safer that way.

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We'll see