Nov. 28, 2025

Cutting Deep into Horror | Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) The Birth of Modern Terror

Cutting Deep into Horror | Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) The Birth of Modern Terror
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

This Black Friday, Cutting Deep into Horror takes you back to where modern terror truly began: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974). Hosts Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfi break down Tobe Hooper’s legendary shocker — a film that reshaped horror with its brutal realism, suffocating Texas heat, and one of cinema’s most terrifying families.

Perfect for the Thanksgiving weekend, this episode explores how the movie’s themes of family dysfunction, meat, ritual, survival, and rural dread hit especially hard during a holiday built around gathering and feasting. Henrique and Rachael examine the film’s relentless pacing, groundbreaking sound design, and the cultural fears it tapped into — from urban-vs-rural anxiety to the collapse of safety in everyday America.

They also dive into the chaotic production history, the cast’s nightmare experiences, the infamous mob-linked distributor, and how Leatherface’s legacy became an unexpected symbol of American horror. Whether you’re recovering from turkey dinner or Black Friday chaos, this is the perfect way to lean deeper into seasonal fear.

Inside this episode

  • The Road Trip to Hell — How a simple drive and a cemetery visit turn into a descent toward madness.
  • The Hitchhiker’s Warning — Chaos arrives early, reshaping the tone and danger instantly.
  • The House of Horrors — Bone art, slaughter rooms, and why the décor hits the deepest nerves.
  • Sally Hardesty’s Ordeal — A masterclass in survival horror, trauma, and sensory overload.
  • Dinner With the Family — A disturbing, iconic sequence that redefined psychological horror.
  • Production Hell — Sweat, heat, real injuries, and the grueling on-set reality behind the film’s authenticity.
  • Why TCM Still Terrifies — Minimalist brutality, stark realism, and cultural impact that still resonates.
  • Thanksgiving & Horror — Why TCM unexpectedly fits the season of big meals and bigger family tension.
Where to Watch The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (U.S.):

Netflix – subscription
👉 https://www.netflix.com/title/15815343

Amazon Prime Video – streaming (Prime / with ads), rent or buy
👉 https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0DJ9R9H3M/

Peacock Premium – subscription
👉 https://www.peacocktv.com/watch-online/movies/texas-chainsaw-massacre-40th-anniversary-edition/ed4b864a-be89-3cd4-b578-39fdf818ddf8

Shudder (via Screambox / AMC channels etc. where applicable) – subscription
👉 https://www.shudder.com/movies/watch/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre/2476268

Tubi – free with ads
👉 https://tubitv.com/movies/499404/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre

Pluto TV – free with ads
👉 https://pluto.tv/us/on-demand/movies/636e9a6d576be6001373edf5

The Roku Channel – free with ads
👉 https://therokuchannel.roku.com/details/ee4a40bd0bdf58078e1bec8db68895b5/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre

Plex – free with ads (50th Anniversary presentation)
👉 https://watch.plex.tv/movie/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre-50th-anniversary

Apple TV – rent or buy (4K, DV/Atmos)
👉 https://tv.apple.com/us/movie/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre/umc.cmc.2iv326v5jkgvz24aul7y1ifuk

Fandango at Home (Vudu) – rent or buy
👉 https://athome.fandango.com/content/browse/details/The-Texas-Chain-Saw-Massacre-50th-Anniversary/13416

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My brother. He makes it real good. He he preheats

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the oven to three hundred and fifty degrees and then

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in a large mixing bowl cream butter and sugar for

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four to five minutes until light and fluffy, scraped the

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sides of the bowl, and add the eggs and vanilla

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cream for one to two more minutes. Then he stirs

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in the flower and the cream of tartar and baking

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soda and salt. That just just until it combines in

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a small bowl, stirred to o with sugar and cinnamon.

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Is this a recipe for like for like sugar dilk cookies?

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My family makes sticker doodles.

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of tartary.

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They're really good.

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You like them? Yeah, I like them.

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They're good.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, What deep

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dark secrets, Scary Cinema shines a light on The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror,

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the show where I do character voices with a sore

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throat that are really unwise.

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I thought you were gonna die. I really did.

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I mean, I was having fun with it at the

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at the time. I was. I was channeling like me

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in high school. I used to do my hitchhiker and

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chop top impressions like constantly in high school. It's really good.

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You know I would do that.

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You were so popular, Oh well yeah in the corn

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bugs constantly.

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the CD player would be open to everyone but me

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at like get togethers and in cars and stuff because

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of my taste. But I'm of course here with my

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Cutting Deep into Horror co host Rachel Adolphe, and we're

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we're sitting here on Black Friday. Well that's when it airs.

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Right right, and time We're time travelers, folks.

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We figured, except we can only travel forward in time

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and only in the speed that time moves.

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Don't think about it too hard. We're time travelers.

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I never said I was thinking. But to be extra

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jovial for the holiday of Thanksgiving, we are watching a

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film all about a family dinner. I mean it culminates

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in a family dinner. And that is The Texas Chainsaw

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Massacre from nineteen seventy four, directed by Toby Hooper and

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written by Toby Hooper and Kim Henkel. And this is

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bar none, without a doubt, one of my all time

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favorite horror movies. And I've said that a lot on

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the show. We've covered several movies that were very formative

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to me, you know, Evil Dead and Candy Man and

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Knight Burren elm Street, I mean Evil did nightmarn elm Street.

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That was just me talking about being a kid, basically,

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And this is not going to be much different in

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that way. But I'm glad. I'm glad you enjoyed the

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sticker doodle recipe. That was great.

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You had me too, because as you said, cream cream,

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the the butter and sugar, and I was like, wait

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a second, I know what this is.

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You just had to interrupt though. Huh. Also, I picked cookies,

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which you know is probably one of your one of

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your key powers. Yeah, is cookie cookie making? Or maybe

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I'm wrong, it makes some pretty good cookies. So, but

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not only is Texas Chainsaw Massacre a great post Thanksgiving

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immediately post Thanksgiving show topic, but it also has a

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family tie to me because of all the filllms that

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I've watched and loved as a young man, only two

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of the big favorites were brought to me by family

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members or not. Night a Living Dead Knight bhen ELM.

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Street was brought to me by my sister, and Texas

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Chainsaw Massacre was introduced to me by the man who's

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hosting Thanksgiving on this very day while this show is airing,

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My family's doing Thanksgiving on Black Friday. So Jeff my cousin,

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Jeff Jeff Turner of Night of the Living Tapes fame.

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He wrote the official the book that is the official

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guide to Night a Living Dead on Home Video, which

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I highly recommend you check out on Amazon or wherever

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you buy your books if you love reading about movie

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distribution and Night a Living Dead and stuff like that.

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But Anyway, he showed me Texas Chainsaw Massacre when I

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was like eleven.

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the family who had like no diagnosed ADHD until we

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were like in our thirties. She fast forwarded through like

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all but like a few of the disturbing parts. That's

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just like star fastwards like yeah, let's get through this,

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like Leatherface doing fucked up Shit'd be like there we go,

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and I'd be like, ah, So, anyway, before we fully

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dive into the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which I just I

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love this movie so much. I do want to mention

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So before we before we dive into the plot and

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the legend of Texas Chancel Massacre, because there is so

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much to this film in so many ways. How was

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so I mentioned how I saw it for the first time?

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How did you see Texas Chainsaw Masacer for the first time?

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And more importantly, was there like a legend to Texas

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Chainsaw Massacre before you finally saw it? Like had you

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heard rumblings of it? Had you seen like references to

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it in pop culture? Because Texas Chainsaw Massacre I mean

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it's it's like with a name like Smucker, it's got

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to be good, you know, it's it's it's not the

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you know, I can't think of another phrase. I mean

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that is that is the title? The title? So which,

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by the way, do you know what Texas Chainsaw Massacre's

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original title was when they were shooting? No, what its

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original title was? Head Cheese?

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Huh huh?

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So how did you like? How? When? Why? What? Well?

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I mean, obviously I did hear like I I growing

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up heard the name leather Face, like you hear the

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name you know, Freddy or Jason from you know, just

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like kids that I would meet were you know, friends,

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you know, different just you know, different people and watching TV,

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you know, you'd hear references to it. I was probably

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in my late teens when finally someone like explained the

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premise of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre to me.

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Do you remember how they described it? Uh?

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See, it was my oldest sister's husband, and he's he's

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a nice enough guy, but he's not, like never was

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like truly into horror, I think. So he's like, yeah,

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you know, it's pretty good, Like it's one of the

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horror movies that if you're gonna see horror, you should

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probably see that one. But he wasn't like hugely into

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it or not much of a sales dam.

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Yeah, So it always seemed like something like, yeah, I

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definitely wanted to check it out, but it was never

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something that I went and sought out until you showed

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it to me.

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Ah well, was so well? There are a few questions

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follow up question to that, were you ever like when

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you were a kid and you are younger and you

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would hear about these things? Were you scared of them?

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Or were you just curious or like what?

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I was equal parts curious about some things and then

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other things. I was just totally dismissive and the main

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horror icons I generally was a little more on the

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dismissive side. It wasn't something that really interested me until

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I got older and my you know, late teens.

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So you thought they were lame or or what does

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that mean?

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Yeah? I thought they were lame. I was more into

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the fantasy shit.

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So, because how can a person into the things that

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are lame think that something else is going to be lame?

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That doesn't make any sense.

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I didn't say it was logical. I just said, that's

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that's what I was like as a child.

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I had impact logic as a child.

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I'm certain you did.

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And we'll talk a little bit more about your first

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viewing of Texas Chainsaw Massacre as well as head Cheese

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right after this. When I was a kid, Texas Chainsaw

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Massacre was on par with like you were saying, like

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the Icon movies Night when Elm Street, Friday the thirteenth,

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Halloween child's play, stuff like that, but it was kind

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of considered different. It was considered down and dirty. It

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was considered like a like grosser and more heinous, like

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you would expect to see Friday the Thirteenth Part three

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on cable, but never Texas Chainsaw Massacre that was only

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on pay television. And I remember two films I was

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most nervous and excited to see were Evil Dead, which

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I was positive would be too scary, like would scare

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the hell out of me, which did, but I was

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like afraid to watch it, and then Texas Chainsaw Massacre,

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which I was kind of afraid to watch as well

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because I thought it was going to be just like

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the grossest movie ever made, which it isn't. That's the

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funny thing. I mean, it's got a lot to be

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afraid of and a lot to be disturbed by. But

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they almost it was almost PG rated. Yeah, it just

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barely got pushed to an R. This was for those

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listening who are like, what this was before PG thirteen

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That didn't exist until the mid eighties. So literally it

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was like, is it gonna be PG or is it

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gonna be R? And that was that was it. So

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Texas Chainsaw was really close to being PG. And it

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has very little blood in it, and honestly, until I

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saw it on Blu ray, I never knew there was

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any blood splattering in it at all. And on the

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four K you can really see, but it's still really subtle. Yeah,

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it's not a gory movie or a gruesome movie. And

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there's a whole thing where people say they believe that,

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like they see the meat hook, like sticking to the

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girl when she gets put on the meat hook. No, no,

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like there are people who are like I swear when

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I was a kid, I watched I must have watched

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like a different version and it's like, no, it was

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just good filmmaking. Yeah, so you imagine the heinousness. You

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never get to see it. Although the real horror was

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that her harness holding around the meat hook was made

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out of nylon stockings so it could fit under her costume.

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So it did not feel great it was holding her

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up anyway. So what were your thoughts when you first

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ever sat down and watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

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It's when I think it was one of the it

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was probably one of the horror movies that you showed

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me when it really started to click for me what

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good horror is. Because I believe that we watched I

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want to say, we watched Halloween first, and then it

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was and then it was Friday the thirteenth, and then

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it was Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Have you seen all the Friday movies? I'm not sure

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if I've ever shown you all of them.

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what's the one where Jason goes to New.

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York Jason takes Manhattan? That's part eight.

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Have you seen Jason Goes to Hell?

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Have you seen Jason X.

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That's the one in space right, yep? Yeah?

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Have you seen Freddy versus Jason?

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Okay, I guess you have seen them. I just want

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to make sure God.

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So yeah, we we got through all of those, and

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so I was really starting to understand like the pop

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culture side of horror as you know, just entertainment. But

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then seeing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is when I was like, oh,

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this is what horror is as art if that makes sense.

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So you think you think of Texas Chainsaw as artsy?

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Yeah, a little yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean that's that wasn't a challenge. I mean it

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just that's in the eye of the beholder. Especially it

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does have some artsy elements to it. It was made

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by college students, you know. But also you never saw

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Texas Chainsaw Massacre the way most people saw it for

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the first time, if it wasn't in the theater, which

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was on like a horrible looking VHS where the entire

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chase scene at the end before at night is like

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almost impossible to see.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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The film looks, I mean, it still is pretty scary

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and even in its heavily remastered stages, but it is

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very very I don't know a lot of people would

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say that it would say that it was scary because

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it felt like watching a newsreel. Because back then the

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news was on sixteen millimeter film and documentaries were on

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sixteen millimeter film, and this was a very you know,

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very grainy sixteen millimeter horror movie. Yeah, so so this

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was I'm fascinated by this. So this was the first

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time you felt like horror as art was presented to you. Yeah, well,

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I yeah, I'm kind of taken aback by that. I mean,

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I get it. I'm not saying you're wrong by any stretch.

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I'm just like, huh, okay, I would not have expected

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that to be what your takeaway was. But did you

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find it scary? Oh?

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you know, blown away. And while I was like, okay,

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I'm going to categorize this from entertainment to art is

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because the communication, you know, art art would be something

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that is a conversation between the artist and the viewer,

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and entertainment is just a story, right, and so a

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good horror entertainment is just a story about being afraid

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or a fear. But art that is horror related is

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a conversation with the creator about fear. And I feel

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that's what Toby Hooper did a really great job, is

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the whole time. It's not just a story about what happens.

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It's also a mirror where you kind of have to

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look at yourself. Because a great example is those people who,

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you know, the first time they saw it, they saw

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it on a grainy VHS and you can hardly see

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a thing, so their mind filled in a lot of

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the gory details that weren't fully there was. It was

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a mirror held up to their subconscious and they were

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seeing all the gory details that they wanted to be there.

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Well, I mean that's a little a little unfair because

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it's I mean, they're poising you, oh, absolutely violence. I

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mean there, It's not like, I mean they didn't. You

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didn't imagine that this woman's being put on a meat

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hook that happens in the movie. You're just imagining that

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you see a lot more of it. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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you're just imagining it's less subtle than it is. And

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I think a lot of that has to do with

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the fact that, you know, the the film is the

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title is about as subtle as a punch in the face. So,

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which is one of my favorite things about it is,

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I mean Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It rolls off the tongue.

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It's forever, and that's always been one of my favorite

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things about it. But it is interesting that you felt

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like that was your first look at art house horror

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to some extent, I really got to show you Henry

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Portrait of a serial Killer because that's super artsy. Well,

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I mean, like by today's standards, it's not, though, because

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artsy horror is in. Yeah, yeah, you know, even on

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television now, artsy horror is in. I loved all three

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seasons of Hannibal, but the third season of Hannibal is

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like it got to a point where there were a

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couple episodes where I had no idea what happened until

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the end. It was like a fever dream. They knew

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they were getting canceled, so they just like they were

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like you know those weird you know, those weird three

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minute sequences that like you're always like wowed by in

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the second season, Yeah, well this episode is just all that.

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Oh yeah, it'll all make sense when you see the

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deer head at the end. What but we'll begin to

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run down Texas Chainsaw massacre even further right after this

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quick meal breach. So the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and this

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is again, this is one of my favorite horror films.

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So it's directed by Tobe Hooper. I mentioned that before

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Toby Hooper went on to become in many ways horror

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movie royalty, although many would say that he was kind

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of cursed by Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It was his first

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feature film, which that's you know, that's a hell of

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a debut because I think is the film he made

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before that was a short film. Maybe it wasn't. There's

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no run time listed because there's a film he did

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in nineteen sixty nine called Eggshells, which actually I think

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it is a feature, but I've never seen it anywhere. Huh,

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So that's yeah, that's weird. It's got to be available.

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But anyway, it's not a horror film. It's an experimental

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movie because, you know, a group of young hippies, having

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recently moved into an old house in the woods, slowly

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become aware of an otherworldly presence residing in the basement. Ooh,

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I've never I've never seen it anywhere, so it might

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be a short for all I know. But he went

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on to make several movies that I think are really great.

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Some people disagree, but Invaders from Mars nineteen eighty six

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is another really great, really scary movie. He directed Poltergeist,

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although some people try to claim that in reality, Steven

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Spielberg directed Poltergeist. I think that's a lot of sensation.

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There have been a lot of people who have said, oh,

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I know for a fact that Spielberg was directing, and

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there are a lot of people who even worked on

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the movie were like, no, no, no, Toby was our boss.

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Spielberg was just a producer. So I err on the

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side of Toby Hooper directed Poldergeist. But it's also such

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a different film that I think some people just don't

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want to accept just because it had all the flourishes

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of Spielberg, I mean, had his clout and money behind it.

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So yeah, you know it's going to be a th that.

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Of course, he directed Texas Chainsaw Massacre too, which, by

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the way, Toby Hooper claimed openly that the original Texas

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Chainsaw Massacre was supposed to be a dark comedy and

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that no one got it.

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You've mentioned that, You've mentioned that, and specifically you mentioned

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that before we went to go see the Texas Chainsaw

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Masaker when it screened in theaters.

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Was it last year Yeah, it was last year on Halloween.

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And that was the first time seeing it on the

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big screen where I was like, Okay, I can kind

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of get it, but I feel like having it that

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big in front of me is kind of what I

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needed to see it in that kind of in that context.

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Sure, no, I would, I would agree with that. The

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first time I saw Texas Chainsaw in the theater was

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a horror rama and it was shown off of a

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sixteen millimeter print. Ooh, and that was really really cool. Yeah, so,

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I mean it's definitely a I mean, all things are

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bigger experiences in the theater, you know, figuratively literally, but

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Texas Chainsaw too. The reason it's so wacky is he

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claimed he didn't want people to not realize he was

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being funny. And you know, part of me believes Toby

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that he thought it was a comedy because he was

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a really weird guy. Yeah, just an odd ball, very

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very usual person, known for drinking spicy tomato juices and

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Doctor Pepper's and smoking cigars instead of having lunch like

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that was that was what he's famous for. It was like, oh,

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Toby's already had his lunch. He had a Doctor Pepper

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and a cigar, so he was very very you know,

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he was famous for being odd. He also directed the

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Stephen King miniseries Salem's Lot in nineteen seventy six, just

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two years after Texas Chancel Massacre, which is wild because

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that movie, well mini series, But the way I saw

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it was as a really long movie, because that's what

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was released on home video on Blu Ray. That's a

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really scary, weird movie, like a phenomenally done, understated horror film.

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But it was a TV mini series, so you know,

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it's kind of looked down upon at the time, but

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I love it. A lot of people say it's a

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little bit boring. I think it's just a product of

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its time, being nineteen seventy six, But yeah, I love

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his adapt to of Salem's Lot Funhouse. I like that

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movie pretty well. Life Force is one of the most

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bonker science fiction movies ever made of all time.

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Wait, have we seen life Force? That rings a bell?

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The woman never has clothes on? Yeah, yeah, it's Life Force. Okay,

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that's pretty much it. But I mean there are several

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other films he directed, including he made a monster movie

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in two thousand called Crocodile, which I actually think is

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extremely underrated thought.

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I think I've watched that one with you and Dave.

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You might have, you might have. But anyway, so unfortunately

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we lost him not super long ago. We lost him

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in Gosh twenty seventeen. But you know, he was a

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I don't know. I think he was one of the

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one of the most interesting voices in horror. And yeah,

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I don't know. A lot of people kind of malign him,

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and it always pissed me off.

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Why why would they malign him.

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Because to a lot of people, he never did anything,

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you know, that compete or compare to Texas Chainsaw. I

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think that's one of the reasons people kind of denied

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that he directed Poldergeist was they were just kind of like,

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how could he do that when he stumbled ass backwards

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into genius with Texas Chainsaw. Yeah, and it's like, well,

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he's not Jess Franco, which only like one person who's

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listening to this will get that joke. But but so

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there have been a lot of claims like that, and

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and then and also you've got to remember that when

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Texas Chainsaw Masacer two came out, originally it was mostly panned.

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That's true, it was not well liked initially. Yeah, so

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a lot of people really lost their faith in Toby

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Hooper at that point. Okay, but time has been very

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kind to Texas Chainsaw Maasacer too, which is a wacky

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wild ride. So I knew that this would happen. I

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would get really like all over the place with Texas

440
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:51.319
Chainsaw because I have so many thoughts and opinions about

441
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.359
Texas Chainsaw. But I do want to mention where you

442
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.119
can watch it. I know we mentioned it. I think

443
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.519
last week. Oh good, that's just that's the remake. That's

444
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.079
not what I'm looking for. I think it's on to B.

445
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:03.839
I apologize. I thought it was ready to come up

446
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.279
nineteen seventy four. Oh, it's on Netflix right now. That's

447
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.240
the wind. That's where it is. Oh nice, Yeah, Texas

448
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.400
Chainsaws on Netflix, It's on two B, It's on Pluto,

449
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.519
It's on the Roku channel, It's on Plex. It says here,

450
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.319
it's on Peacock. That might be the remake because it

451
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:21.880
gets confused sometimes. But so there's no excuse if you

452
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.319
haven't ever seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre not to jump in,

453
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.559
give it a watch, have dinner with the family, and

454
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.039
then come back and join us. So the film opens

455
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.480
and that I guess this is so. What I want

456
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.519
to know is the first time you watched this movie,

457
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.799
what were your thoughts when the opening began to set

458
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.279
a scene For those who've never seen the film, or

459
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.599
hopefully you have but you just have it in a while,

460
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.279
it's dark, there's no light at all, The screen is black.

461
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:01.440
And then we hear sounds. They sound like feet walking

462
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:07.519
on dirt, a shovel hitting soil, groaning and grunting. And

463
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.960
then this sound that out of context is terrifying, this

464
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.240
which is revealed to be the flash bulb of a camera,

465
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.400
and we're seeing these sudden instances of what looks like rotting,

466
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.599
a rotting carcass, a hand here, a face there, things

467
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.720
like that. What was your first thought the first time

468
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.559
you watched the movie?

469
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:39.559
I was I guess my thought was just kind of acknowledging, like, Okay,

470
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.319
while this is definitely setting the tone right off the

471
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:49.200
bat of we're not going to be dealing with so much,

472
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:55.000
you know, out and out, we're dealing more with the

473
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.720
sense of like moral decay than anything else, is what

474
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:06.640
I started thinking. Because as go going a little further

475
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.599
into this, the opening sequence of the movie, as we

476
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.119
are seeing like all of these rotting body parts.

477
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.559
Then oh and we're seeing them for split seconds. Yeah,

478
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.720
they're they're flashing up and then fading away very very quickly.

479
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.680
But then that's when we start hearing the voice kind

480
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.599
of going over the the news about all these grave

481
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.680
robbings that have been going on and these instances of

482
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:44.519
graves being disturbed, and like rural Texas is kind of

483
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:49.480
in a stranglehold of panic almost because everyone's afraid of

484
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:54.200
their loved ones graves being disturbed. And the whole time

485
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.319
he's explaining that, uh, you know, either we're you know,

486
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:02.440
at first, we're just seeing these flash of decaying body parts,

487
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:08.640
and then we see a body that is actively decaying

488
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:13.359
that's kind of been set up almost like an effigy

489
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.640
in a cemetery. Just it's there.

490
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.319
Yeah, it's been put on top of a of a

491
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.160
of a large headstone, and it's probably more than one body.

492
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:30.440
It's it's definitely morbid doodling with human remains, which is

493
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:36.359
very reminiscent of ed Gean, who was one of the

494
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.599
inspirations for several elements of the film. And we'll talk

495
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.000
about that a little bit more as we go on.

496
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.759
But yeah, so we reveal that we see this heinous image,

497
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.640
and then also that that we're hearing the radio news,

498
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.400
and then it shifts over to talking about how there's

499
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.640
no gas in Texas, how some oil fields we're having trouble,

500
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.119
and now shipments are late and people aren't able to

501
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.319
get their gasoline, which also plays into the story and

502
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.880
was also a real problem in the nineteen seventies. And

503
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.839
who knows what kind of trouble can happen when you

504
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.559
have to stop somewhere and can't get away. Well, we'll

505
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:32.240
find out after this. So now the credits roll and

506
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.960
we're seeing footage of the sun. This weird. I don't

507
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.880
know if there's a specific term for it that I

508
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:44.359
don't know, but it's images of the sun, these incredible

509
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.440
telescope or not telescope, but satellite images of the Sun.

510
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.920
So we're seeing this giant ball of burning gas and

511
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:59.640
this very avant garde sounds, not music sounds. And I

512
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.319
remember the first time I watched the film, I was

513
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.920
so scared the moment the movie started. It took me

514
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.759
years to really fully and I was very young for

515
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.519
me to really fully realize that the opening is literally

516
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.559
just the sound of him digging up graves and taking photos.

517
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.240
Because I was just so overwhelmed by how scary the

518
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.279
sounds were. It didn't even pardon the pun, click that

519
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.039
it was a camera taking the pictures, even though that's

520
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.960
exactly what it sounds like. It was just so it

521
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.759
was so shifted and changed. But also I can't believe

522
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.839
I almost went over this. There's also a narration at

523
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:43.480
the beginning, Oh yeah, which if I could find the narration,

524
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:48.160
I'll read it. But it's basically explaining how Sally Hardesty

525
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.200
and her family, or her or her brother and her

526
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.920
friends all went to Texas to check out their family home.

527
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.240
Here it is. The film at which you are about

528
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.359
to see is an account of the tragedy which befel

529
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.920
a group of five youths, in particular Sally Haughtesty and

530
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.599
her invalid brother, Franklin. It is the more tragic that

531
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.759
in that they were young, But had they lived very

532
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.799
very long lives, they could not have expected, nor would

533
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.559
they have wished, to see as much of the mad

534
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.960
and macabre as they were to see that day. For them,

535
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:33.599
an idyllic summer afternoon drive became a nightmare. The events

536
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.759
of the debt of that day were to be seen

537
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.160
or were to lead to the discovery of one of

538
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.759
the most bizarre crimes in the annals of American history,

539
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:48.240
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Hell of an opener, it really is,

540
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.960
It really is done by the by famous, the famous

541
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.799
comedian actor John Laraquette. That was one of his early

542
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.559
the earliest things he'd done, famous for night Court and

543
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.000
Time of movies and TV shows. So all of that

544
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.880
sets the stage that you're going to be freaked out.

545
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.119
But as the film now begins, and we see a

546
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.400
dead armadillo on the side of the road, and this

547
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.440
van's you know, heading towards cemetery, and we see these

548
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:23.519
young very still in the sixties, kind of hippie kids

549
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.359
talking about astrology and talking about, you know, how they're

550
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.119
going to find out if their grandfather's grave has been desecrated,

551
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.000
and then they want to go see his old house

552
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.759
where they used to spend time when they were kids.

553
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.240
The thing that I noticed immediately is the movie just

554
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.480
feels hot, And I wonder if they chose the opening

555
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.920
with the sun after editing the film and seeing just

556
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.160
how hot it looked, because they were filming during one

557
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.400
of the hottest summers ever in Texas, and Texas is

558
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:56.720
a very hot state, so it was constantly you know,

559
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.359
sweat and stink and food rotting because it had been

560
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.880
left out, and it just just hellish. So I do

561
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719
feel like the movies like Thick with that every shot,

562
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:15.599
you feel like you're kind of there in this obscenely hot, muggy,

563
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.960
oppressive Texas summer. And that's not even the horror part yet.

564
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.039
It not only does it feel hot, it feels like

565
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.239
it feels hot and sticky, and it feels like it

566
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.440
should all just smell kind of bad.

567
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:36.639
Yeah.

568
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.679
Like, there are very few films where where I feel like, oh,

569
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:46.039
this this film like would smell have a particular smell

570
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.280
to it, But no, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is one

571
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.239
of them where I feel like, now it it would

572
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.440
just smell bad.

573
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.199
Yeah, definitely, so, and.

574
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:03.360
The atmosphere, like I feel like in horror, especially once

575
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.880
you got into like the eighties nineties, as horror has

576
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.360
been established as a genre, some things like get kind

577
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.000
of campy or you know, get kind of cheesy. But

578
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:24.920
this was at such the forefront of horror that things

579
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.360
hadn't gotten stale yet as far as visual aesthetics, so

580
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.840
it feels like they were really exploring the grounds of

581
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:39.039
how gross and skeezy can we make everything feel on screen?

582
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.880
Well, very few horror films in that time period had

583
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.360
been made in that kind of rough look, even though

584
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.840
there were films being made on sixteen millibiter all the time.

585
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:52.480
There's just something about it that is that is different,

586
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.119
and a lot of that credit needs to go to

587
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.320
Daniel Pearl, the cinematographer who that was his first feature film,

588
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.360
and he of everyone who worked on Texas Chainsaw Mascer,

589
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.599
he has had the largest career bar none. Like no,

590
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.840
there's no competition there. I mean, he has dped so

591
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.320
many movies. I like, I'm I'm not even finding the

592
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.800
full list, but I mean he did the oddly enough

593
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.880
one of the most fascinating. He did the remake of

594
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.880
Texas Chance on Mascar in two thousand and three, which

595
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.239
is a major, you know, studio movie. He did Pathfinder, Captivity,

596
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.519
Aliens Versus Predator, ra Queem, the Friday Thirteenth remake, The

597
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.559
Apparition No One Lives, which were in twenty twelve, The

598
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.079
Boy in twenty sixteen, and this is a horrible list

599
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.920
because he's done way more movies than this list, and

600
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.199
most of the movies he does aren't horror movies. I

601
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.039
don't know why Wikipedia decided to give me to give

602
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.320
me such a list, but he And also, I mean,

603
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:55.039
he'd shot tons of music videos, tons of commercials. He's

604
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.840
really just a workhorse who's made so many interesting films.

605
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:03.000
He has three hundred and thirteen cinematography credits on IMDb,

606
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.679
and see what I mean like that, though that selection

607
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.320
was so stupid. Like the most recent things he did

608
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.360
were like the Mariah Carey TV special Merry Christmas to

609
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.719
All and Nicki Minaj Super Freaky Girl. You know, he

610
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.639
did do The Intruder in twenty nineteen, which is actually

611
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.840
pretty cool movie and Mom and Dad, Wow, that's a

612
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.960
really good movie too. So, I mean, he's been working

613
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:25.840
like crazy for a very very long time.

614
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:26.719
God damn.

615
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.199
And I do think he's one of the reasons that

616
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.199
the movie looks so good. I don't think it's, you know,

617
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.719
an accident that there was so much attention in detail,

618
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.119
and there are a lot of nerdy reasons for the

619
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.719
movie to look the way it does. They shot on

620
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.480
high grain sixteen millimeter film so that there would be

621
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.360
enough detail to blow it up to thirty five millimeters

622
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.679
to distribute it in theaters, and because of that high grain,

623
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.119
we got a very different look. And because of the

624
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.920
high grain, the film required an immense amount more light

625
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.519
to expose, which caused hotter lights and more time in heat.

626
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:03.199
So it all kind of fed into itself. But yeah,

627
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.760
there's no doubt that you really feel like you're kind

628
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:11.199
of in this very unpleasant part of Texas, and now

629
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.760
we're gonna meet our main characters and find out exactly

630
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.679
what the hell they're even doing out here other than

631
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.960
seeing horrors of the macabre that they would never imagine.

632
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:38.519
Right after this, so they arrive at the cemetery and

633
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.480
it is a buzz with activity. There's people everywhere kind

634
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.440
of checking out different grades and they.

635
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:48.280
It almost looks like a what do they call it tailgate? Yeah, yeah,

636
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.280
people do all over. Some people are having beers and

637
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.239
stuff like that, and yeah, just it's another one of

638
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.960
those things that's just kind of surreal in the.

639
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.760
Movie, one of many things.

640
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.559
But it's so much less bizarre than the other things

641
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.000
that are surreal in the movie, is what I mean.

642
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.719
Yeah, it kind of like sets the standard for you

643
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.920
almost like this is what normal is now.

644
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:15.760
Yikes.

645
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.639
Yikes. Indeed, so they go and talk to somebody. It

646
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.760
seems like maybe a sheriff or something.

647
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.039
Well, they arrive and they just talk to a guy

648
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.320
sitting in his truck near there, and he's like the

649
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.440
first example of like a good old Texas boy. Because

650
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.760
it's not said out and out, but it's likely these

651
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.199
kids are from Austin, Texas, which is important to mention.

652
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.039
In nineteen seventy four, Austin was not a city. It

653
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:48.239
was a big town. Okay, it had a college. That

654
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.360
was its thing is it had a college, but it

655
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.440
was not It did not become like a freak. It

656
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.159
did not become Austin until like two thousand. It was

657
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.840
a very small blake. The cities in Texas were Houston,

658
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.000
in Dallas, Oh okay. So that's worth mentioning too, is

659
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.119
like Austin was. It was where the young people were

660
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:11.760
and stuff, but it wasn't what it is now now

661
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.519
it's you know, it's a real city, but back then

662
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.599
it was pretty pretty small. And but these kids are

663
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.159
definitely from there, and now they're up in the Panhandle

664
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.079
in the country and I just love that this good

665
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.159
old boy. He's just like they're trying to figure out

666
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.239
who to talk to or whatever, and he goes, you're

667
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.039
you're uh, you're uh, your granddaddy's buried in there. And

668
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.039
she's like, yes, sir. He's like right over there. To

669
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.000
see that guy over there with a hat, that's the shriff.

670
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.119
You go tell him your dad, your granddad buried in there.

671
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.159
He'll let you in, you know. Like it's just like

672
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.639
he's like and he's so happy to be helping. Like,

673
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:45.440
but while that's happening, there's a moment that I think

674
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.360
about every time I watch the movie. I'm like, oh man,

675
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.119
what is with this moment? Because there's one guy who's

676
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.559
like sitting in an old tire on the ground.

677
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:56.800
I was going to bring that part.

678
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.039
Up, Yeah, please do because it messes with my brain.

679
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.440
Yeah. So, so there's two things that I love about this.

680
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.639
One is how bizarre it is so bizarre and so unsettling.

681
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.360
And the other thing is it really starts to set

682
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:16.679
the say stage for Franklin because everybody else is kind

683
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.880
of going off with the sheriff to go and double

684
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:25.480
check the grandpa's grave. But they leave Franklin behind at

685
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.320
the van, and there's that guy just sitting in a tire,

686
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:33.639
like an overturned tire on the grass, drinking a beer,

687
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:38.599
like getting shit faced, and he just starts blabbering on

688
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.039
and I don't even know like what he was talking about,

689
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.480
but he's, you know, basically saying like it's never going

690
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:48.119
to be the same again. And it's just kind of

691
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.239
like nonsense, but it's really.

692
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.480
Well he starts saying, people think, I don't know, but

693
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.079
I see things. That's why I see so many things.

694
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.679
But he's like re drunk. He's saying it really like,

695
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.440
that's why it bothers me. But she's just like flopping

696
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.239
his arms. He was like, I see things. Ah, Like

697
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.920
it's just so weird, and it makes you wonder, like

698
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.760
does he know that there's something nefarious going on in

699
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.880
this little town or is he just a drunk Yeah,

700
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.000
and you really don't know there's I mean, for all

701
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.679
we know, if you want to cut deep, for all

702
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.559
we know, this guy could have seen his grandmother's body

703
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:32.960
defiled and now he's just drunk his shit with his

704
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:36.320
like acquaintance's friends whatever in the town. And that's what

705
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.360
we caught we just caught him being, you know, off

706
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.480
his ass, drunk and angry. Or it could be that

707
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.480
he knows something more is going on. Who knows, m M.

708
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.480
But I will say I've always thought that there's no

709
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.159
way the people in this little town know about what's

710
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.199
going on in that little farmhouse because they would just

711
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.679
go out there and kill them. Oh yeah, they just

712
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.000
they just would, they would just they would get a

713
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:04.840
posse together.

714
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.159
Well, or think of it like this, because in those

715
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.480
small little communities, how often will people just kind of

716
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:18.400
turn a blind eye because it's it doesn't directly affect them.

717
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.360
So we kind of get the idea and obviously, like

718
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.440
this is jumping way ahead, but we kind of get

719
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:33.280
the idea that generally the family preys upon travelers of course,

720
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.280
so they're not really messing with people in and around

721
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:41.679
the town. So it could be that everybody around the

722
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.000
town is like, oh yeah, that family is really weird.

723
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.719
They really keep to themselves. As long as you leave

724
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.639
them alone, they'll leave you alone. Like we don't ask

725
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.480
any questions.

726
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.599
No, I meant that they I meant that they know

727
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.000
that they're like twisted and behind, Like yeah, the cemetery

728
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.760
being defaced is what I meant. Oh no, no, they

729
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.119
probably know a little bit about them. I mean, I

730
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.880
mean they even referenced that the hitchhiker even references in

731
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.320
a little bit that he worked at the slaughterhouse. The

732
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.119
whole family at one point worked at that slaughterhouse. But

733
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.360
then they basically automation basically got rid of them. Yeah,

734
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.440
which is one of the other one of the interesting

735
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.800
subtexts of this movie is some people believe that Toby

736
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.599
Hooper was telling a story about what happens when you

737
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.679
abandon the blue collar, like what happens when you abandon

738
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.760
workers and they have nothing else, Like they just figure

739
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.480
out another way, you know, or what have you. Okay,

740
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.760
So I don't know how much I buy into that,

741
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.320
but I mean there are a ton of like really

742
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.559
odd theories. Because one thing worth mentioning about Texas Chainsaw

743
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.159
massacre is there is no out and out depictions of cannibalism.

744
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:51.159
Yeah.

745
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.199
I would say that there is cannibalism in the movie

746
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.599
because Toby Hooper made a sequel where cannibalism was front

747
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.760
and center, So I think that was the point. But yeah,

748
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.119
there's all this conversation about meat, there's all this conversation

749
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.159
about head cheese, all this conversation about eating thing, you know, whatever.

750
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.679
But we don't out and out see the family commit

751
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:14.679
acts of cannibalism. We just don't. It could be implied,

752
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.960
but we never we never witness it. It's never said

753
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.840
as much. There are hints that later on that the

754
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:26.320
barbecue joint in the gas station is serving human flesh,

755
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.360
and that may be as well, but there's no evidence

756
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.199
the family's eating the human flesh. That's kind of my point.

757
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.079
It's not out and outset. I think it is implied.

758
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.159
I think it definitely is, but I'm just that's just

759
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.679
one thing that I think is really interesting.

760
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.960
No, I absolutely agree.

761
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:46.199
So yeah, we've got this just this just crazy sequence.

762
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.599
And now they're back in the van, and now they're

763
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.119
talking about want to go see granddad's house, which is

764
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.239
out this way and they used to come there in

765
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.119
their summers and all this, and this is something that

766
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.400
always kind of connected with me because your family's all

767
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.599
like around here, I mean like relatively like within an

768
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:06.800
hour or two max.

769
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:07.000
Right.

770
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.480
See, growing up, my grandparents were in Connecticut, and my

771
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.760
father was in New Hampshire and I was in Dayton, Ohio.

772
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.960
So long car rides to very different places but not

773
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.239
very often was a normal thing. So I always kind

774
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.199
of identified with the whole, like, yeah, we want to

775
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:29.760
go to the place we used to see every summer

776
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.159
because I used see my grandparents every summer. Stuff like that.

777
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:34.639
I don't know, it was just a little side note.

778
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.159
It used to make me think of growing up. But

779
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.480
thank goodness, this is the only part of the film

780
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.119
that makes me think of what it was like growing

781
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.159
up for me, because things are about to get a

782
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.039
lot darker after they see a gentleman hoof in it

783
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.880
on the side of the road that could use a ride,

784
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.800
and he's just he just so happens to be outside

785
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.599
the old slaughterhouse. And we'll talk about that after this.

786
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:17.199
So they're all driving by and they pass like a

787
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.039
cattle yard, and Franklin starts talking about their family history,

788
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.880
him and Sally, their family all used to work in

789
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:31.079
the slaughterhouse, and he explains kind of the process of

790
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.920
slaughtering the cows, and then how now they don't use

791
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.559
they don't use hammers anymore. They use like that special

792
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.000
like piston gun thing and the air gun. And as

793
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.519
they're driving by, they you know, they pass the cattle

794
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.519
yard and then they see somebody walking along the road

795
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:58.159
and it's a great shot, just an extreme I want

796
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.920
to say distance shot, but I know that's wrong, wide shot.

797
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.719
It's a shot. Yeah. The van is like the size

798
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:05.440
of a toy.

799
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.000
Yeah, and it just you know, stops and pulls off

800
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.719
to the side of the road and this really sketchy

801
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.400
looking hitchhiker gets in and this guy. Again the movie

802
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.159
feels like it stinks, and this guy is one of

803
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.440
the things that just stinks. And he looks so skeezy,

804
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:28.239
and he's like wiry, and he's you know, got like

805
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:35.400
overalls and uh some old camera he's carrying. And he

806
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.239
starts talking to them about, you know, this the slaughterhouse,

807
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.440
and they ask if he works there, and he said no,

808
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.719
he didn't work there. He used to work there though,

809
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.639
and you know, his brother used to work there. His

810
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.559
whole family used to work there. And then then he

811
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.239
starts talking, you know, just again just kind of you know,

812
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.719
rambling on, and he notices that Franklin has a knife

813
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.159
and he says, it's a really good knife, you know,

814
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.519
can he see it? And he takes the knife and

815
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.000
then he starts talking about head cheese. Yeah, he's the

816
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:11.400
famous head cheese talk.

817
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.159
And they take the the They take the head and

818
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.760
they boil it except for the tongue. They use all

819
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.639
the flesh. They don't throw nothing away. They use the eyes,

820
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.800
the jowls, the ligaments, the snows and everything, and they

821
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.639
boil it all down into a big jelly of fat.

822
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.400
It's really good. You like it? Yeah, I used to

823
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.320
recite that all the time when I was in school.

824
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.159
But he gives this speech and it's worth mentioning that.

825
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.960
Like he also said like he was when they say, like,

826
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:40.400
what were you doing at the slaughters? He's, I gotta

827
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.079
take a pictures and he shows them pictures of like

828
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.400
animals being slaughtered that he's pop you know, pop quick

829
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.960
pictures of and he is literally hitchhiking away from that

830
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.400
cemetery where all that stuff happened. He's literally on his

831
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.400
way away from there, which is also worth mentioning, you know,

832
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.079
because there was photographs being to So they're already kind

833
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.920
of disturbed because you know, Franklin has this and we've

834
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.599
Franklin is in a wheelchair, and he's substantially older than

835
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.480
everybody else. He's probably in his thirties maybe late late twenties,

836
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.320
early thirties, and everybody else is like twenty twenty two

837
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.119
somewhere in the neighborhood, and Franklin's definitely the odd man out.

838
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:26.559
Everybody seems to like him fine enough, but he's he's

839
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.800
definitely more country and they're much more hip. So Franklin

840
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.239
is very like, you know, yeah, like you know, my

841
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.599
granddad used to work at the slaughterhouse, you know, way

842
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.119
back when, and blah blah blah, and yeah, I like

843
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.679
head cheese. It's good. You know. He's like very salt

844
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.719
of the earth compared to everybody else's kind of like.

845
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.239
In fact, he has one great line because Toby Hooper

846
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.199
has said that this film, if there's one thing this

847
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.719
film is about, it's about meat. And there's a great

848
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.920
line where they're all and he's like, whatever, you'd like

849
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:01.079
it if you didn't know what it was. That's meat. No,

850
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.360
I mean, yeah, that's baloney. That's hot dogs. You know,

851
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:09.079
that's what it is. Although I've always you know, I've

852
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.000
always had a big problem with the idea of people

853
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.519
saying like, uh, like this hot dog is just like

854
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.400
ears and noses and blah blah blah. Uh that that

855
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.079
chicken nugget is made from, like they scrape the bone,

856
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.599
and I'm like, you know, when the Native Americans use

857
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.840
every part of the buffalo, they're beautiful and spiritual. But

858
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.679
when we don't want to throw away any part of

859
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.760
that dead chicken, now you're just cheap and destroying the world.

860
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.119
I mean, you could still be both, but but that

861
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.039
is always drive me crazy, a little double standard, like

862
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.679
uh oh, every part of the buffalo, how wise, ew,

863
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.320
you're gonna cook that part of the pig. But yeah,

864
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.679
so there's there's all this conversation about meat, and all

865
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.519
this conversation about you know, where he lives. He lives

866
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.360
just a ways down the road. They're all getting very

867
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.360
uncomfortable with him. And he I mean, he's he's scary.

868
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.320
He has a big birthmark, his hair is so stringy

869
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:07.280
and gross, his clothes are tattered and stained, and.

870
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.880
He's got he's got just a really weird affectation.

871
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like what I was doing

872
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.480
at the beginning. He and the actor who played him,

873
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.119
which was a I can't believe I'm blanking on his name,

874
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:26.199
ed Neil Edwin Neil Edwin Neil said that the inspiration

875
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:31.800
for how the Hitchhiker talked came from a close family

876
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.840
member or a distant family member brother who had schizophrenia

877
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.079
so badly that he lived in a home for people

878
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.079
who were you know, disturbed. So he went and visited

879
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.079
him and just listened to him talk and then did

880
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:48.920
an impression of that. Because Ed Neil, from what I understand,

881
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:55.400
was mostly a comedian prior to being in Texas Chainsl Massacre,

882
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.960
and he's he went on to have a surprisingly decent career.

883
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.039
I mean, he did a few little movies here and there,

884
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.920
but he did a ton of voice work, tons of

885
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.960
like anime re dubs and video games. He was also

886
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.599
in JFK in nineteen ninety one, which is a very

887
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.719
big movie, lots and lots of stuff, and a super

888
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.400
nice guy. I met him at a bunch of conventions.

889
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.199
Is really really funny. He has a great sense of

890
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.159
humor about being the hitch Hiker. But yeah, so, I mean,

891
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.920
he's he really is scaring the hell out of these kids,

892
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.000
and he's kind of like the ultimate example of like

893
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.719
everything that they don't understand and kind of think they're

894
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:37.280
better then, which is rural life and eating meat and

895
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.719
you know, you know, because there's this whole mentality of like,

896
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.800
you know, if I don't have to see see it

897
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.960
being done, then I'm better than it. And that's a

898
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.119
real problem that people in you know, well developed societies

899
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.920
have is it's like I never have to see where

900
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.079
the toilet flushes to, so I'm good. Yeah, I never

901
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.280
have to see where the cold cuts come from. They

902
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.960
come from a box, you know. And that's something I

903
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.800
struggle with a lot because sometimes when I really think

904
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:04.960
about it, I don't think I should eat meat anymore.

905
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.840
I haven't gotten there yet, but I've thought about it,

906
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.239
and I've went really long periods without eating meat because yeah,

907
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.519
sometimes I'll think of it and be like, you know,

908
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:18.159
the reality is really ugly. Yeah, it really is. But

909
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.800
I think denying it and still participating in it is

910
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.800
pretty lame. But I also get why people that want

911
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.639
to see that, because it's heinous. But yeah, the Hitchhiker

912
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:34.400
is a fascinatingly eccentric character, and if you think about it,

913
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.519
he's not in that much of the film. Yeah, he

914
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.039
has this incredible scene that we're talking about right now,

915
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.480
and then he pops back up for like two more scenes,

916
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:43.519
three more scenes.

917
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:44.679
That's about it.

918
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.719
Yeah, but he's terrifying and he just has this way

919
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.719
about him because when they pick him up. Do you

920
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.280
remember why they picked him up, No, I don't. They

921
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:57.320
literally said, like, he'll die in this heat. Oh yeah, yeah.

922
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.159
They were just trying to be nice because they felt

923
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.079
bad for him because they're sitting in this van melting. Yeah,

924
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.679
and this poor guy's walking in the blazing sun in

925
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:08.320
the middle of the day. That's literally their.

926
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.960
Thought is like, yeah, he's not gonna make it.

927
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.880
Yeah, he's gonna exphyxiate in this heat or something, just affixiate.

928
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:16.679
She said something like that, like he's gonna die in

929
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.119
his heat, but like playfully and literally when they're pulling

930
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.719
up to see him, like Franklin calls him Dracula. Yeah

931
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.880
he's I mean, not to his face, but he says like,

932
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:31.119
oh great, we're gonna pick up Dracula. But unfortunately he's

933
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.119
about to become a little bit more than just a

934
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.360
playful eccentric And we'll talk about that right after this.

935
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:53.119
So the hitchhiker has Franklin's knife that he was, you know, admiring,

936
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.920
and he just cuts his own palm. He just digs

937
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.719
it right in there and does it, and he laughs

938
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.840
about it while he's doing it, which of course terrifies

939
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.000
everybody in the van obviously, and it's moving too, so

940
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:13.280
the driver's like, what's going on back there? They're mortified.

941
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.480
Then he hands the knife back to Franklin, and Franklin's

942
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.519
eyes are just you know, massive as he's looking at it.

943
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.519
It's like, got this guy's blood on it, this guy

944
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:26.280
just cut himself. And then it just keeps evolving.

945
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.960
Yeah, but wait, there's more.

946
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:34.360
Yeah, because now as they're all like mortified, he takes

947
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.880
a polaroid of them and he tells them like, you know,

948
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.719
it's a good picture. It's a really good picture. You'll

949
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.800
give me three dollars. And they're just like we don't

950
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:45.599
want that, no, And the picture is awful. It's like

951
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.599
blurry and shit. But that also fascinates me because if

952
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.559
we think about that concept of like the blue collar

953
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:56.079
being left behind, workers being out of work, he's literally

954
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.360
doing like a hustle that was very common to do

955
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:05.360
to travel made famous in Terminator when that little boy

956
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.679
takes Sarah Connor's photo and you know, wants five dollars

957
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.039
or his father obeat him, is what he says, and

958
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:14.280
Her response is good hustle kid. You know that was

959
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.840
a real thing. There was a really long period of time,

960
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.679
especially the closer you got to the border, where people

961
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.960
would like take your picture while you're traveling, with the

962
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.719
idea of being you know that since you're on a trip,

963
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.639
you want to keep saying you know, and also like

964
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.199
you're doing a nice thing like this is a person

965
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.239
who like doesn't have much, you know, while they have

966
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:34.480
is a polaroid. But when they turned down his photo,

967
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.440
he just pulls out this old piece of aluminum foil,

968
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.880
lays it out, puts the photo on it. He looks mad,

969
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.000
but not like rageful, just kind of disappointed. Yeah, he

970
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.440
pulls out a little thingy and pours this like black

971
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:50.039
dust on it, and then he lights it on fire

972
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.360
and it turns out's black powder, so it burns up

973
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.320
the thing. Everybody screams. Then he folds up the the

974
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.119
tinfoil and puts it back in his bag. Everybody's now

975
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.760
screaming and saying like you need to get out of here,

976
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.519
or like we're we're you know, we're done with this.

977
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.000
And he pulls out a straight razor and says like

978
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.000
I have this knife and they're all, it's the tension

979
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.800
in this scene is so good. But then eventually he

980
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.159
just grabs Franklin and just cuts the shit out of

981
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.960
his arm. They hope, they stop the van, they throw

982
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:22.239
him out, and it is so as they're driving away,

983
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.559
he's just chasing after him, kicking, and he rubs his

984
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.079
bleeding hand on the side of it while he's sticking

985
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:28.079
his tongue out at them.

986
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:28.639
Yeah.

987
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:35.400
Yeah, it's really nuts. And I got to ask, what

988
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.000
the first time you watched the movie, do you remember

989
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.559
how you what you thought when that sequence was over.

990
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:49.079
I was absolutely mortified because and and well, and you

991
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.760
know how much chainsaws terrifying me.

992
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.599
I've learned this last Halloween when we went to a

993
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.079
few haunts. Yes, yes, you really are afraid of chainsaws.

994
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.639
But they're loud, they're loud, and they're smelly. Yeah, and

995
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.400
you know that's I mean, that's it. They're loud and

996
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.119
they're smelly. I mean obviously dangerous too. There's that. Yeah,

997
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.480
So like there is there is a level of terror

998
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:18.519
to getting pursued by a flesh wearing maniac with a chainsaw,

999
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:25.880
is there? Yes, h yeah, one might assume, but that

1000
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:32.119
is so disconnected from reality, but picking up a hitch hiker,

1001
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.159
especially in this time period, like it's very common, very

1002
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.400
very common back then. I don't think anyone picks up hitchhikers.

1003
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.760
Well, it's illegal to hitchhike, now, yeah, I'm almost certain

1004
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.000
it's illegal in the whole country.

1005
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:50.760
I'm pretty certain. Or yeah, I'm pretty certain. Yeah. I

1006
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.320
picked up a hitchhiker once.

1007
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.280
Really, how'd that go good?

1008
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:55.960
He had a dog?

1009
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.800
Oh yeah, that's how they get you. If they got

1010
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.000
a dog, you're gonna pick them up.

1011
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I basically just took him across town.

1012
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.400
But anyway, so all that being said, this the hitchhiker

1013
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:14.719
that is seemingly just like a local weirdo, and then

1014
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.639
it this situation devolves until it's this is a very

1015
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:25.679
terrifying and dangerous, dangerous individual. Yes, is real. And that

1016
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:29.280
was what made it so terrifying for me upon the

1017
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.559
first viewing and pretty much every single viewing after. This

1018
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:36.199
is one of the more chilling scenes for me, is

1019
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:42.280
because this can and did regularly happen, this kind of thing.

1020
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.920
So yeah, that's why I think it's this scene is

1021
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:46.960
so scary.

1022
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.400
So I had to check hitch hiking is not illegal

1023
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:54.000
across the United States, but there are some states that

1024
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:55.719
have that banned it entirely.

1025
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.280
Okay, that's what it is, which is.

1026
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.719
Nevada, New York, New Jersey, Utah, Wyoming, in Pennsylvania. But

1027
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.679
in nearly every state it is illegal to hitchhike on

1028
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:08.840
the interstate or freeways. Okay, so hitchhiking itself is not illegal,

1029
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.199
just hitch hiking where you hitchhike is illegal. That's America.

1030
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:14.960
I love it.

1031
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.239
Yeah. It seems like anytime I hear somebody say like, well,

1032
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.320
actually that's not illegal, it's just anything that allows you

1033
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.079
to do that is illegal, I'm like, yeah, fair enough,

1034
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.719
fair enough. But so so the hitchhiker is gone, and

1035
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.440
now they're all a bit shook. Yeah, they head to

1036
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.119
a gas station to fuel up and figure out exactly

1037
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:38.559
where Franklin's granddaddy is. Yeah, and we haven't done a

1038
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:40.599
full breakdown, but I mean the characters are kind of

1039
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:45.440
I mean, we've got Sally and Franklin, and then the

1040
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:48.400
other characters are a little bit less known, but they

1041
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.039
all have stuff to do. We've got Kirk and Pam,

1042
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:57.800
who are the couple, and then Jerry, who's driving and

1043
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:03.599
who might be dating Sally. It's never really explained, but

1044
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.800
it seems that it's his van, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

1045
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.480
and he's driving most of the time. And of course,

1046
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:12.480
you know, Kirk and Pam become the two famous first

1047
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.199
deaths to leatherface here in just a little bit. But

1048
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.679
they stop at the gas station and they don't have

1049
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.719
any gas, and that was something that's something that always

1050
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:23.519
blows my mind when you hear about like the gasoline

1051
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:27.239
shortages and all the crazy stuff that happened in the seventies. Yeah,

1052
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.000
and like waiting in lines for gasoline when it's not

1053
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:32.679
rush hour. I mean, I'm used to waiting in line

1054
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:36.880
for gas at like Sam's Club because it's cheap that day.

1055
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.039
So they're like trying to figureut what they're gonna do

1056
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.719
because they don't have a ton of gas. They're trying

1057
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:43.639
to figure out like should we just go to the

1058
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.679
house or what should we do? And they meet this

1059
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.199
odd looking guy who we don't get his name, not

1060
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:54.320
in this film. Now in the sequel, his name is Drayton.

1061
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:58.239
But I'm trying to keep, as I do with all

1062
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.360
of our movies that are parts of franch as, I

1063
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.840
try to keep themself contained for the purposes of what

1064
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.880
we're talking about, so he only ends up being called

1065
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.639
the cook. And he's played by Jim Sideow, and he's

1066
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:14.760
played by Jim Sideow friggin' masterfully, and he's, you know,

1067
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.440
he seems like kind of an average guy. He's got

1068
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:17.840
a little bit of an odd look to him, but

1069
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.079
you know, and he's friendly enough. He's telling him like,

1070
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.119
ye ain't got no gas. They're saying, I'm supposed to

1071
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.360
get some today or tomorrow, but I don't know, like

1072
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.920
they've been saying that for a little while now, but yeah,

1073
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:32.079
we're just out of gas. And they're kind of like, oh, okay,

1074
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:35.000
And then they ask him like, do you know about

1075
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.400
the house out out of the hardest I think it

1076
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.840
was the hardest de place, is what they say. And

1077
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:42.440
he's just kind of like, you know, oh, you know,

1078
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:44.280
you don't want to go mess around no old house.

1079
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.880
You're liable to get hurt. Plus, you know, people out

1080
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:49.480
here don't take kindly to people trespassing on their property.

1081
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.039
And Franklin says, oh, my dad owns that, and he

1082
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.079
has this look at it as it's your daddy's place, huh,

1083
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.079
like like like that's a real problem to him. He

1084
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:02.719
says that this is something that I mentioned to you,

1085
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.719
an interesting take I had that I had never thought

1086
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:08.239
of until this last time we watched it. He then

1087
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.280
tells them like, why don't you guys just hang here

1088
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.960
for a spell. I got some fresh barbecue and maybe

1089
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:15.800
the gas will come in an hour or two, Like,

1090
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.880
we don't know it's supposed to. I think Drayton is

1091
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.199
trying to keep them from getting killed.

1092
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.679
Yeah, we were discussing that last night, well, you know,

1093
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:30.639
when we watched it. Yeah, and I really think you're right.

1094
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.519
I really think you're onto something because he seems almost

1095
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:40.000
disappointed when they have an inn to get to the house. Yeah,

1096
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:45.039
and it's not because it doesn't seem for any nefarious reason.

1097
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.719
He just seems disappointed that he doesn't have like an

1098
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:50.920
easy way to deter them.

1099
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.000
Well, and there's another element of this which makes it

1100
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.440
even harder to believe, and we'll talk about that right

1101
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:11.320
after this. So, when the hitchhiker got out of the van,

1102
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.280
he drew a kind of symbol on the side of

1103
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:17.199
the van. Some people have claimed it's like a ruin.

1104
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:19.760
Some people have claimed it was like initials. He was

1105
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:22.199
trying to write and that it was like a brand

1106
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:26.159
for cattle, and I think that that makes sense. But

1107
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.119
when they get to the gas station, Drayton sees that,

1108
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:33.840
and even then he's talking to them about all this stuff,

1109
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.440
you know, about the house and how they shouldn't go

1110
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.679
there because you know, you don't want to mess around

1111
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.280
some old house you get hurt or you know, get

1112
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.920
shot from old house. Yeah, I love that line, This

1113
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.079
pretty girl that I want to go with some old house,

1114
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:52.599
you know. So, but as this is all happening, he

1115
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.039
really seems to be trying to keep them from going

1116
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.519
there because he knows that that's the closest house to

1117
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:02.119
his family's home, which who knows how they obtained it

1118
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:06.119
or if it's legitimately theirs or whatever, but it's definitely

1119
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.199
the nearest house, and he doesn't want them to be

1120
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.199
out there. And it makes me think that it's because

1121
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.639
he's worried that the hitchhiker and leather Face will get them,

1122
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.360
and he doesn't necessarily want them to be killed by them.

1123
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.360
It's weird, and it may not be entirely necessarily moral.

1124
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.639
It could be that he doesn't want them to, you know,

1125
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:31.920
get caught because there's so many of them. Like a

1126
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.719
lot of people will come looking if six kids are

1127
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.280
all gone at once. Yeah, you know, it could be

1128
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:38.880
something like that, because they could have all kinds of

1129
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.159
rules about like only people who travel alone, only people

1130
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.440
you know, without a car, or with a car from

1131
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.480
you know, state really far away. You know, they can

1132
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.079
have all kinds of rules because who knows. I mean,

1133
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.679
they've definitely been doing this a while. But he really

1134
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.559
does seem like he does not want them to go

1135
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.199
do that because because and the more I think about it,

1136
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.440
it's that part where he goes, that's your daddy's place, huh,

1137
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.840
Like he knows, like he's like feed it because he's

1138
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.079
like I can't let them not go then, because like

1139
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.800
they they it's theirs, it's their home, it's their house.

1140
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.880
And he's just like, ah, well shit, yeah yeah. And

1141
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.400
later on when he's talking at the dinner table and stuff,

1142
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:14.199
I mean, he says, and don't get me wrong, he's

1143
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:18.719
a psychopath. They're all psychopaths, family psychopaths. He even says

1144
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.360
that he has this whole point about like I just

1145
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.639
don't find any joy in killing. It's just a thing

1146
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:26.320
that's gotta be done. It doesn't need to be It

1147
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.320
doesn't need to be mean, it doesn't need to be cruel,

1148
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.840
he says that stuff. He also like torments and tortures

1149
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.960
Sally later on too, so I do. But I do

1150
01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:38.320
think there's like a part of him. It is just like,

1151
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:39.840
you know, all these kids need to just get back

1152
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.360
on the road and get away from here. I kind

1153
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.119
of think that's what he was going for, because he

1154
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.719
really is pushing that. Yeah, yeah, and uh. But also

1155
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:52.199
worth mentioning the odd looking redhead guy who keeps washing

1156
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.079
the van and they tell him that's good, and he

1157
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.440
just keeps starting again washing the van. That is the

1158
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.800
most outwardly funny part of the whole film. Like, like,

1159
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:04.079
I think the first time I really noticed how funny

1160
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.239
that was was last year in the theater, and now

1161
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:08.280
every time I watched the movie, I laugh out loud.

1162
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:12.280
The third time he starts washing the van and Dan's well,

1163
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.119
Drake and see I'm already the cook is just like

1164
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.439
that's enough. He keeps coming back into it. He seems

1165
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.640
like he's not quite right now, which by the way,

1166
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.279
makes perfect sense. There are people It was played by

1167
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.800
Robert Corton, who has no other acking credits, but he's

1168
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.439
credited as window washer. A lot of people have said, like,

1169
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:34.800
was he another member of that family or you know

1170
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.039
where they have bigger whatever. I think that the reason

1171
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.239
he worked with the cook was because he was slow,

1172
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.079
so he wouldn't be able to pick up on what's

1173
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:46.319
going on. Oh yeah, because the best place for him

1174
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.359
to catch those teams, to catch travelers and stuff would

1175
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:53.279
be at that gas station, which, by the way, aptly

1176
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:58.600
named Last Chance Gas, which is ex I'm almost certain

1177
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.800
it is named Last Chance Gas. Oh, now I'm wondering.

1178
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:03.159
I'm like, I hope I'm not thinking of a different

1179
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.600
Texas chance on movie that has that name. But I've

1180
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:10.680
actually seen last chance gas stations. Oh really, My travels

1181
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.720
all over the country because it is usually you know,

1182
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.079
there's no gas station for thirty or forty miles, so

1183
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:19.640
they'll name the station last Chance Gas. Yeah, because they're

1184
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.359
trying to remind you, like, hey, how about you, how

1185
01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:23.119
about you?

1186
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:28.239
You know, don't want to get stranded?

1187
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:30.680
No, Well, and that's the thing that was like, I

1188
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.119
I would imagine if he wanted those kids to get killed,

1189
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.640
he would have immediately been telling them exactly where to go,

1190
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.640
and he would have been all excited about it, you know. Yeah,

1191
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.439
but no, he really seems to not want those kids

1192
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:48.920
to go there. Yeah, but nope, And it is called

1193
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:53.800
a last Chance gas Other things worth mentioning under that

1194
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:58.560
sign it says we slaughter barbecue is on the sign.

1195
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.720
But yeah, it was called last Chance gas station, which, yeah,

1196
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:08.439
I just always loved that gas station. And I imagine

1197
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:10.640
I can only imagine that they named it that because

1198
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.239
somebody had been driving somewhere and so because that's especially

1199
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.640
common out by the deserts. I would imagine, because you

1200
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.520
really want to make sure you know that you know

1201
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:19.720
if there aren't and there is another station for quite

1202
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:23.239
a while, but uh, they don't really care. They get

1203
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.640
a couple of Coca Colas and decide it's time to

1204
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.239
get back on the road because they're not super far

1205
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.319
from the house and they don't have any gas, so

1206
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.199
I want to get there. Well, they're kind of accepting that,

1207
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:37.159
like they may end up just camping at Grandpa's old

1208
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:39.560
place and then the next day they'll just have to

1209
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:43.039
figure out where to get some gas. Yeah, So they

1210
01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.800
get in the van and they head out to old

1211
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.880
Granddaddy's place a little ways off, and it turns out.

1212
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.640
It's really not far away at all, but the house

1213
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:54.479
has definitely been sitting for a long time. As they

1214
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:57.199
pull up, it's not in like total disrepair, but it

1215
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.359
is in disrepair. It's like a little beat up. The

1216
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:03.439
rooms are, you know, empty or filthy. There's the walls

1217
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.479
peeling and exactly, and there's something so creepy about walking

1218
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:12.359
around a decrepit house, even though they're kind of like

1219
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.520
having fun with it, laughing and talking about like, oh,

1220
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.359
this was this room, this was this room. But the

1221
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.640
one thing that you notice immediately is Franklin's kind of

1222
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.880
just left behind. Yeah, you know, and earlier in the movie,

1223
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:25.439
very early in the movie, right before they pick up

1224
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.920
the hitchhiker, he goes to take a piss and a

1225
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:32.439
big semi truck drives by and knocks him down a hill. Yeah, Like,

1226
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.640
Franklin is a character, you know, you really get to

1227
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:37.239
feel for. And I've also heard people say, by the way,

1228
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:38.640
that's one of the funnier moments of the movie. I

1229
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:39.479
always feel awful.

1230
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:40.079
Oh I know.

1231
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:43.119
It falls goes down the hill because he can't walk,

1232
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:45.199
you know, he's literally just trying to pee in a

1233
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:47.159
coffee can off to the side. Of the road. Yeah,

1234
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.760
but Franklin is left behind it. They're all going upstairs

1235
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:54.119
and stuff. Literally Franklin can't join us well, and.

1236
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:58.800
The I mean, he can't even get into the house

1237
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:02.359
easily because again he's he's in his wheelchair. You know,

1238
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.840
the paths are all overgrown and he can't get through

1239
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:10.199
the doorway easily because like there's rubble in the door,

1240
01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:12.560
so he can't like get over it. And the whole

1241
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.279
time he's like griping and complaining like it was your

1242
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.840
idea to bring me here, Like why did you guys

1243
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.720
invite me if you didn't want me to be here?

1244
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.239
Well, the irony of becoming a third wheel. Sorry, it's

1245
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:28.399
just but really, I know I have sound effects, but

1246
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:29.239
I shouldn't.

1247
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:30.600
You should have had it queued up.

1248
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:33.760
You know what you're mean. Okay, that's what I meant

1249
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.319
to do, But what I wasn't trying to be funny.

1250
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:37.399
He really is kind.

1251
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:38.880
Of right, yes, yes.

1252
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.760
And he's mad and he's going off because he's also

1253
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:45.399
you know, freaking mortified and terrified about what happened with

1254
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.840
him and the hitchhiker. Yeah, rightfully so. But then after

1255
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:54.239
they're all having their fun, our little Texas chainsaw couple

1256
01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:57.800
who I just lost their names in my brain. Kirk

1257
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.439
and Pam. Oh, Kirkirk and Pam. I'm pretty sure it's Kirk. Him.

1258
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.000
They come to Franklin and say, didn't you say there

1259
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.199
was a swimming hole, because we'd like to go swimming,

1260
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:10.840
And unfortunately for them, Franklin lets go of his anger

1261
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.279
and tells them where the swimming hole is. And yes,

1262
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.600
we're over an hour into the show, but now things

1263
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:32.880
are about to get slashery right after this. So they

1264
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:35.199
head on down to the swimming hole out of ways

1265
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:38.960
and find that it's completely bone dry. Shocker, it's one

1266
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:42.159
of the biggest hottest summers ever. They're kind of bummed

1267
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.800
about it. But then as they are wandering around a bit,

1268
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:51.039
they hear a sound, the sound of a generator, which

1269
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:53.800
makes sense because out that way, a lot of these

1270
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.199
homes are very isolated, so they're not going to be

1271
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:57.479
on the power grid. They're going to have to have

1272
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:01.760
their own generators. So as they go further out, they

1273
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.439
start to see this house that looks kind of strange. It's,

1274
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:06.840
you know, it's a little beat up, but but there's

1275
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:10.079
a generator running, which tells them people live there their home,

1276
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:14.239
and that they have gasoline, at least some amount of gasoline.

1277
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:16.720
And she's telling him like, let's not bother with that whatever,

1278
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.159
and he's like, no, we're like we're stranded, Like we're

1279
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.600
basically stranded. So he starts telling her, you know, this

1280
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.680
whole plan, like, I'll just knock on the door and say,

1281
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.319
is there any way we could borrow some gas. I'll

1282
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:29.439
leave my guitar in my uh I think said It'll

1283
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.479
leave his guitar and his ID with them or something

1284
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.199
so that they'll know I'm coming back. And then when

1285
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:35.560
I come back, I'll give him a couple bucks. And

1286
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:37.600
she's just kind of like, how you're crazy. He's like, yeah,

1287
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:39.319
I'm not crazy. I don't want to be stuck out here.

1288
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.720
So they head up to this old farmhouse and as

1289
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:49.840
they're going through the back, there are cars, tons and

1290
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:55.880
tons of cars covered with netting. And they seem a

1291
01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.359
little perturbed, but not that much. And I could see why.

1292
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:00.000
I mean, in the country sometimes people just have like

1293
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.920
basically a little junk yard. But it makes us nervous

1294
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.560
because there's not just that, it's the decoration. There's a

1295
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:10.439
pocket watch with just a spike stab through it hanging

1296
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.960
from a tree branch, and there's all kinds of bizarre things.

1297
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:15.880
And I do want to point out when we were

1298
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:17.680
watching it the other night, I said that I think

1299
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.439
that some of the biggest elements of this movie other

1300
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.880
than the cast, were the director of photography we mentioned before,

1301
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:27.039
Daniel Pearl, and the production designer Robert A. Burns.

1302
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:28.000
Absolutely.

1303
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.239
Robert Burns went on to be a production designer in

1304
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.960
a ton of famous movies. The Hills Have Eyes Reanimator,

1305
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.479
and he starred in one of my favorite kind of

1306
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:47.520
unknown unfortunately horror films, Confessions of a Serial Killer, which

1307
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.640
I love that movie. I think it is one of

1308
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.880
the best Henry Lee Lucas horror movie based horror movies.

1309
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.319
And it's his only starring role in acting ever. And

1310
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.520
I can tell an adorable story about that a minute.

1311
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.760
But I mean, like, look at this resume. First film

1312
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:08.960
as an art director, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Second, The Hills Have Eyes. Third,

1313
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.560
Taurus Trap, which is another move that'll end up on

1314
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.039
the show in no time. Tourist Trap freaks me out

1315
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.279
so bad. Then he did she came to the valley,

1316
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.560
he did, don't go near the park, which I need

1317
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.319
to show you that sometime, Disco Godfather, which a black

1318
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:28.159
exploitation movie, Microwave Massacre, which, by the way, the cannibal movie,

1319
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.560
and the guy who's eating everybody is the guy who

1320
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:36.279
voiced Frosty the Snowman. Then The Howling Oh wow. Yeah.

1321
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:38.279
Then a Full Moon High which I've always had a

1322
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:42.199
saspa for Blood Song, which is pretty good, Time Walker, Mausoleum,

1323
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.800
Play Dead, Reanimator, Night Wish, and then he kind of

1324
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.600
fell off from there and went on to do some

1325
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.479
other things. But then as far as an actor, you know,

1326
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.560
he was uncredited in a couple of movies, but then

1327
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:55.760
he was the lead and Confessions of serial Killer. He

1328
01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:57.560
was in an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger as a

1329
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:01.279
background performer. But I met ro Robert Burns. Oh. He

1330
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.640
also directed a film called Mongrel, which is pretty good,

1331
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:09.520
not a bad movie. Yeah, I liked it. But I

1332
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.159
met him at Cinema Wasteland when I was a teenager,

1333
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.800
and I was so excited because I loved I had

1334
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.520
rented Confessions of a Serial Killer from my local Hollywood

1335
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.199
video which was a movie gallery first, and they had

1336
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.920
a lot of older titles, and he was there because

1337
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:26.239
of the Texas Chainsaw thing. There were a ton of

1338
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.560
people from Texas Chainsaw there. Gunner Hanson, who played Leatherface,

1339
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.079
was there, Edwin Neil was there, a bunch of people.

1340
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:32.560
So when I walked up to him, I told him, like,

1341
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.760
I love Confessions of a Serial Killer. You know, I

1342
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:39.439
think it's a really scary movie. I really loved it.

1343
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:43.199
And he lit up. He told me all about the

1344
01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.520
audition process. He told me all about like how he

1345
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.600
got the role and what the shoot was like. And

1346
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:53.560
then he did something amazing. He opened up his briefcase.

1347
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:55.720
He has a little briefcase with him, and he took

1348
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.079
out a little stack of these folded papers and he

1349
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:03.319
opened one up and it was a full one sheet

1350
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.239
from the original home video release of Confessions of a

1351
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.119
Serial Killer. And I want to say, I've never seen

1352
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.600
one anywhere for sale. I've never seen one on eBay.

1353
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.439
I've never seen one anywhere. And he told me he

1354
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:20.840
found thirty of them in his basement. Oh man, Yeah,

1355
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.279
So I bought one and he signed it, and he

1356
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.960
signed it Enrique want to Ride. And it's hanging in

1357
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:30.840
my bedroom right now. But the thing about that is

1358
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.359
when I got home with it, I was like, oh man,

1359
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:35.199
this is so cool, and I set it aside because

1360
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.560
I needed to get a frame. That was Robert Burns's

1361
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.800
first movie convention ever, because he just kind of lived

1362
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.199
in the middle of nowhere in Texas and you know,

1363
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:48.199
did his thing. Next year, I go to Wasteland and

1364
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.479
he's there and he's not even a guest. He just

1365
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.760
came again and he had a cam cord. He made

1366
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.439
a little documentary about Cinema Wasteline, about his experience there

1367
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.560
and stuff. It was so so cool and I got

1368
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.039
to chat with him again. He was super, super nice,

1369
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:05.239
super generous with the time. I really enjoyed talking with

1370
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:09.840
about movies and fandom and all this stuff. Unfortunately, about

1371
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:16.000
eight months later, he was diagnosed with terminal cancer and

1372
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:20.560
he took his own life. And I remember when that happened.

1373
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:22.399
I was I was really you know, I was shocked

1374
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:27.760
and I was very depressed. And when I moved about

1375
01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:32.239
a year later left Ohio, I told my mother, like,

1376
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.960
please put this poster somewhere safe because one day I

1377
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.880
do want to get it framed. You know, I'm broke, kid.

1378
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:41.199
Frames are expensive, and she said, I will move back

1379
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:42.760
to Ohio. I could never I never found it. I

1380
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:44.159
was like, it must have been one of the freakin'

1381
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.680
things that got lost in the shuffle whatever, you know, whatever.

1382
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:52.159
When I was fixing up the house to start living

1383
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.520
here on my own and getting roommates and stuff, I

1384
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.079
was going through the entire house and in the tippy

1385
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:01.600
top of one of the main closets, next to the

1386
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:05.960
blueprints of the house itself, was my Confessions of a

1387
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.079
Serial Killer poster. Oh wow, she really did put it

1388
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:10.800
in the safest place. She put it where she kept

1389
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.039
the blueprints of the house, Like, yeah, she kept all

1390
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:15.960
the like detailed stuff you needed for the house. So

1391
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:18.760
I was like, holy crap. So I literally I remember

1392
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:22.039
I had. I was broke as shit, and I went

1393
01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:24.479
to Walmart and came up with nineteen dollars so I

1394
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.079
could buy a frame and I hung it up. It

1395
01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.800
was the first poster I hung up when I took

1396
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.399
the house over. So that's my Robert A. Burns story.

1397
01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:34.840
And I've heard a lot of incredible stories about him

1398
01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:37.640
from a lot of people. You know, just that he

1399
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:41.640
was very supportive and kind and on Texas Chainsaw. He

1400
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:44.439
it worked very, very hard to give the film an

1401
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:49.359
interesting look and style, but he also was very adamant

1402
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:52.600
about things like that the animals they used not be harmed,

1403
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:58.600
you know, that everything be handled professionally, people not be hurt,

1404
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.960
you know, not risks of being hurt. Just a solid dude,

1405
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:06.199
So that's important too. I just want to say something

1406
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:08.079
nice about him, because he really I really do think

1407
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.319
that the production design in this movie makes it no.

1408
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:13.399
I have to agree.

1409
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.279
And we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet,

1410
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:23.600
because we're we're about to enter the family home and

1411
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:27.560
things just get messier from there and we'll talk about

1412
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:43.239
that right after this. So they're trying to figure out

1413
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:47.199
if anybody's home and I cannot believe. I can't remember

1414
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:49.960
these people's names, and and oh my page disappeared.

1415
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:53.119
I'm in ker Kerr.

1416
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:58.119
Nobody's thinking up hurt. This is this is Rachel. Everybody,

1417
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:02.720
What is with my browser? Yeah? Pam and Kirk, Pam

1418
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.039
and Kirk, thank you. I don't know, Like I literally

1419
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:07.640
just have a Wikipedia page open. It just vanished. I

1420
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:09.119
don't know what's going on with this laptop.

1421
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:09.920
Man.

1422
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:15.039
It might be but it might just be consarnt. But

1423
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.359
he goes up and starts knocking on the door, and

1424
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.760
she goes over and sits in this little chain swing

1425
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.319
or what would that be called. That's a swing, it's

1426
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:29.079
a bench swinging.

1427
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:28.800
Bench swing, porch swing.

1428
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:31.079
So she's but it's not at the porch, it's it's

1429
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:35.000
over the would bench swing. So he's knocking at the door.

1430
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.920
She's sitting around just kind of looking around or whatever.

1431
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:43.199
So he walks in and this is, you know, the

1432
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:47.359
big scare, the first big scare, because as he's walking around,

1433
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:53.520
we hear these animal sounds, you know, oh, very weird.

1434
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.720
And when he walks up to the kind of the

1435
01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:02.239
threshold behind the staircase, this giant behemoth in a mask,

1436
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:06.000
leather Face standing there and just clocks him on the

1437
01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.640
head with a hammer in the way that they describe

1438
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:10.479
killing cattle.

1439
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:11.199
M h.

1440
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:13.319
And when he clocks him on the head and he

1441
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.159
falls to the ground, he's twitching and twitching and twitching,

1442
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:18.920
and leather Face just hits him one more time and

1443
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:22.239
then pulls him in and then slams this metal door

1444
01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:27.279
shut that doesn't fit with the house at all, which

1445
01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:30.319
I love. Like that metal door makes the place look

1446
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.600
way more industrial than makes sense, and that's perfect.

1447
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:39.079
Yeah, yeah, So it makes it look like a like

1448
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:40.560
a butcher shop.

1449
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:42.239
Or a slaughterhouse, which is odd.

1450
01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:44.039
Yeah, it's strange. Yeah, strange.

1451
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:47.920
Must have been a kwinkie dink as my ancestors would

1452
01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:53.119
call it. But uh so, now we cut to Pam

1453
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:57.800
outside I think it was Pam, yeah, and she's like

1454
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.279
where is he? You know what that's going on? And

1455
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:02.359
there were other little things. There's so many little touches.

1456
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.840
He finds a human tooth on the porch and like

1457
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:07.760
hands it to her as a joke, and she freaks out.

1458
01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.279
And the reason you know it's a human tooth is

1459
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:12.000
it has a filling in it, which again great, great

1460
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:13.920
attention to detail. By the way, this is a film

1461
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:16.920
if you want to be an art director or a

1462
01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:19.880
production designer, this is a film to watch because the

1463
01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:24.319
attention to detail is so friggin high. Like little touches

1464
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.840
like that can make sure people interpret what they're seeing properly,

1465
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:30.439
because you could guess that it's like a pig's tooth

1466
01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.079
or something because they're kind of human e and maybe

1467
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:34.960
it's broken a little or something. It just like looks

1468
01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.399
like a molar piece, you know, But no, there's a

1469
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:42.199
freaking filling. Yeah, that means it's a human, no mistaken none.

1470
01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:48.359
So man. So we get one of the most iconic

1471
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:50.119
shots in the film, which I pointed out to you

1472
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.039
because you'd never really given it a lot of thought.

1473
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:53.640
I mean, obviously you'd seen it and they're like, whoa.

1474
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:55.960
But she gets up from the swing and the camera

1475
01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:59.920
is down low on Dolly track and it just follows her.

1476
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.520
And I pointed out to you that the brilliance of

1477
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:05.439
that shot is because the camera is paced with her.

1478
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:08.760
She stays the same size, and the house just gets

1479
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:12.800
bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger as the camera approaches,

1480
01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:16.560
which really tells you that she's in trouble, like this

1481
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:20.119
house is going to engulf her. Yeah. Yeah, that shot.

1482
01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:22.239
By the way, the producers didn't want it because it

1483
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.159
would take up too much time and they were behind schedule,

1484
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:27.119
so Toby Hooper had like had to distract them while

1485
01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:30.600
they were setting up the track. There's all kinds of

1486
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.399
there's all kinds of great stories like that. If you

1487
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:38.039
love books, read Chainsaw Confidential, which is written by Gunnar Hanson,

1488
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:40.000
who played leather Face. I'll talk about him more in

1489
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:43.000
a minute. It's a great book about the making of Texas.

1490
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.359
Chainsaw massacre, and not just like the stories on set,

1491
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:50.000
but he recounts other people's stories that are the opposite

1492
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:52.399
of what he remembers. I mean, because the movie is

1493
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:55.680
so is so legendary. There are so many stories that

1494
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.000
may not have actually happened. Because there was a documentary

1495
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:04.239
that came out in the eighties called Texas Chainsaw Massacre

1496
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:07.800
A Family Portrait. It was a documentary about Texas Chainsaw,

1497
01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:11.039
but it was only you know, ten years out from it. Oh,

1498
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:15.159
and that is really interesting, but there's a lot of

1499
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:17.960
bullshit in it. It's like a great time capsule. But

1500
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.800
like people were telling stories about Like there's a rumor

1501
01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:23.479
that they actually cut Sally Burns's finger in the scene

1502
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.359
with Grandpa because it was taking so long that somebody,

1503
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:31.119
maybe Gunner Hanson, pulled the tape off of the knife

1504
01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:33.079
and just cut her for real, just to get the shot.

1505
01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:36.079
I don't know that that's true. It doesn't sound true,

1506
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.800
but I've heard people say it. Okay, So there's all

1507
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:40.960
kinds of legends and it doesn't help also that Texas

1508
01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:44.039
Chainsaw was made in seventy two and released in seventy four,

1509
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.159
so it's a ways out from everything. It is wild

1510
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:50.520
to think that, like Night a Living Dead was shot

1511
01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:53.680
two years three years earlier, they feel very apart well

1512
01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:55.840
because Night was shot in black and white, so it

1513
01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:00.239
feels like it's older than it is. But yeah, that's

1514
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:03.960
your Texas chain something. But yeah, Texas Chainsaw or Chainsaw

1515
01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:09.079
Confidential by Gunner Hansen phenomenal book, really fascinating, all kinds

1516
01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.840
of interesting stuff about about the making of the film

1517
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.960
and the people who made it happen. So she walks

1518
01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:20.239
up heads inside and immediately trips in the living room.

1519
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.720
And I'd love your take on this living room because

1520
01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:26.279
we were talking about I mean, this is probably the

1521
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:29.359
thickest production design space ever.

1522
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:35.359
Yeah. So you walk in and even in like the

1523
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:41.760
entryway of the house, there's bones and taxidermy everywhere. And

1524
01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:45.520
I love bones and taxidermy, but even I would call

1525
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:52.600
it excessive. Yeah, And like furniture that normally is not

1526
01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:56.359
made out of taxidermy or bones is made out of

1527
01:27:56.399 --> 01:28:02.600
taxidermy and bones. So there's like lamp that are made

1528
01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:08.079
out of like femurs and stuff, and not all the

1529
01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:12.520
bones seem like animal bones. And she kind of wanders

1530
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:18.319
further into the house and comes to a room that's

1531
01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:22.920
kind of like a kitchen, but there's the big, huge

1532
01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:27.760
meat hook at one end, and the floor is not

1533
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:37.680
is engulfed in feathers, and there's cages everywhere and chickens

1534
01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:38.880
all in the cages in.

1535
01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:41.560
Like a bird cage. So the chickens like filling almost

1536
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.960
the whole cage because they're not usually put in bird cages,

1537
01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:46.560
not generally.

1538
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:51.279
And is as she looks again, the ground is covered

1539
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:59.199
in these bloody feathers, and she notices a big like

1540
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:02.920
one of those stand up coolers, one of the big freezers,

1541
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:08.760
deep freezer, deep freezers, and she's calling for Kirk and

1542
01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:12.279
she can't find him. Opens up the deep deep freezer

1543
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:19.199
and she's found Kirk. And it's great because there's a

1544
01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:25.279
moment of recognition on her face. And then it just

1545
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:29.279
goes to a shot of a windmill outside the house

1546
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.800
and you hear Pam screaming and then the chainsaw revving,

1547
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.279
and that's that's all you got.

1548
01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:41.079
I mean, I mean, she watches him get sawed up

1549
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.960
in front of her and it's it's it's hellish ugh

1550
01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:48.079
and uh, it's a weather vein. I think it's what

1551
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.319
that was that was spinning probably, I mean it wasn't literally,

1552
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:54.560
I mean obsolite literally, but it was a spinny windy thingy,

1553
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:59.640
not to get to technical, but yeah, so now that's

1554
01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:04.880
you know, two down and three to go, and we'll

1555
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:10.119
talk about the further fates of these young people. Right

1556
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:27.279
after this, it's starting to get dark, and Jerry decides

1557
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.039
he's going to go off and see what the hell

1558
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:32.960
Kirk and Pam are up to, because you know, it's

1559
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:38.039
getting dark and they haven't come back. And meanwhile, for

1560
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:42.159
better or worse, Franklin and Sally are left to their

1561
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.680
own devices, which, of course, you know, poor Sally, Poor

1562
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:50.199
poor Sally, Poor Sally. Yeah, she tries her best with Franklin.

1563
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:55.319
But Jerry heads over to the house and again the

1564
01:30:55.359 --> 01:31:02.399
place seems oddly empty. Jerry walks through the hellish, filthy

1565
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:06.159
mess of a house because he I believe he hears

1566
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.560
a sound if I remember correctly, But he ends up

1567
01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:13.600
opening a deep freezer and out and he finds Pam

1568
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.359
frozen in it, and she jumps out suddenly. It's one

1569
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:19.600
of the biggest jump scares of the whole movie. I

1570
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:22.640
just remember how bad it scared the hell out of

1571
01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:26.960
me the first time I watched it. But yeah, just

1572
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:29.079
like and the idea that she's like was alive in

1573
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:33.039
there that after being meat hooked and everything. I mean,

1574
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:36.680
just the phrase meat hooked is that's bad enough, not ideal.

1575
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.399
And as he's jumping back from being terrified, leather Face

1576
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.520
clocks him with the hammer, just like just like he

1577
01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:46.239
did to Kirk, just like they do to cattle, or

1578
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:48.159
did to cattle. Because they talk about how now they

1579
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:50.880
use an air gun, but that gun's no good. You know,

1580
01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:54.399
they died better, they did better that way, to quote

1581
01:31:54.399 --> 01:32:00.319
the Hitchhiker. So now it's just Sally and Franklin, and

1582
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:07.399
now it is dark like pitch black, and Sally wants

1583
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:09.319
to go look for everybody. Franklin doesn't want to be

1584
01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.600
left alone, and we're wondering what is going to happen.

1585
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:15.079
You know, Franklin has a flashlight. Sally's fighting with him

1586
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:16.359
over the flashlights.

1587
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.840
Very like siblings sibling rivalry.

1588
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.159
Yes, yeah, well, and you know Franklin's pulling the whole

1589
01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:23.640
like you guys didn't even want me to be here,

1590
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.640
you don't even like me. She's like, Franklin, I just

1591
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.319
stop it, you know, just stop it. So finally they

1592
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:33.279
decide they're going to go together somehow to go find

1593
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:36.680
Jerry and Kirk and Pam and they end up heading

1594
01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:41.760
into the woods and this sequence it works great, but

1595
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:44.479
it but it makes very little sense, and they recreated

1596
01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:47.520
it in Texas Chainsaw too as well. Leatherface comes out

1597
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:49.960
of nowhere and the saw just starts instantly, which can't

1598
01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:52.359
really happen. Yeah, let's get a little harder than that

1599
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:54.479
to start a chance saw. But he jumps out and

1600
01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:58.880
he chainsaws Franklin. And I want to mention, by the way,

1601
01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:02.600
this is Franklin's flashlight like illuminates the leather Face was

1602
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:05.399
just how you can really see him. This is where

1603
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.479
all the blood in the movie is. Yeah, and it's

1604
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.640
barely there. There's just a little bit of splatter on

1605
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.359
leather faces. He's chainsawing Franklin and now Sally is just

1606
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:17.720
running for her life through the woods, through the woods,

1607
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:22.520
and my god, I like, from here on out the

1608
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:27.079
movie is torturous. Yeah, and I think that that was

1609
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:29.760
the idea. I mean, that's what they were going for.

1610
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:38.399
So it's it's yeah, it's a yeah, from here on out,

1611
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:42.680
it's just cruel. So she finds the house, the house

1612
01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:45.920
that leather Face lives in and she heads in trying

1613
01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.039
to find help. She ends up going upstairs and finds

1614
01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.760
a woman's rotting corpse and what looks like a dead

1615
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:58.680
man as well. Later we find out that's Grandpa and

1616
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:01.479
he's not dead, he's just very close to it.

1617
01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:03.399
Just may as well be.

1618
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:09.479
Yeah, So what were you thinking when when the like,

1619
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:11.159
what do you think of the corpses up there, and

1620
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.760
the whole idea that they, like, I guess, deny death.

1621
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.760
I find it fascinating because I know there's certain cultures

1622
01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:24.800
around the world where likes, it's commonplace to save the

1623
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:28.039
bodies of your ancestors and you're supposed to like do

1624
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:31.399
ceremonies with them and honestly kind of treat them and

1625
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:35.159
revere them as if they are still to an extent alive.

1626
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:40.359
And it always reminds me so much of that, where

1627
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:46.319
it's this weird coping with death by denying the finality

1628
01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:52.319
of death, which is very interesting considering the family's relationship

1629
01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.039
with death. How they used to I mean, that used

1630
01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:57.439
to be like their bread and butter.

1631
01:34:57.640 --> 01:35:01.640
It still is. Yeah, No, And they expand on it

1632
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:04.840
in Texas Chainsaw too some because at one point in

1633
01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:08.239
that one Stretch takes a chainsaw from their dead grandmother

1634
01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:11.600
and like dust is flying off her. She rips the

1635
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.079
chainsaw ot of her hands and chop Top is like,

1636
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:19.359
you bitch, you killed her, like she'd clearly been dead

1637
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:25.079
for like ten or twenty years. There you go. Yeah.

1638
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:29.560
So after finding these two, Leatherface comes after again and

1639
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:33.119
she ends up jumping through a second floor window and

1640
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:36.039
running through the forest. And there's a lot of Marilyn

1641
01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:39.399
Burn's running and bloody. And one of the legendary things

1642
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:41.720
about this movie is that they clay. The claim is

1643
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:43.479
a lot of the blood on her and those scenes

1644
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:46.720
was real because just the brush was cutting her to

1645
01:35:46.760 --> 01:35:49.640
pieces while she was running again and again and again

1646
01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:54.359
and again through the woods. And she happens upon Last

1647
01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:59.079
Chance Gas which I wanted to mention, by the way,

1648
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:03.439
last you can still visit that gas station, really, but

1649
01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:07.560
it's not a gas station anymore. Would you believe me

1650
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:13.199
if I told you that it is now a barbecue restaurant.

1651
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:15.359
I would in fact believe you.

1652
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:18.520
Yes. So it's in Bastrop, Texas. It was built in

1653
01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:21.720
nineteen sixty and after the film came out, it eventually

1654
01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:25.079
was it shut down. It closed and fell into disrepair

1655
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.319
and was abandoned for years and years, but in the

1656
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.640
mid twenty tens it was bought and restored by Roy

1657
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.319
and Lisa Rose, who reopened it in twenty sixteen as

1658
01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:39.159
the gas Station slash We Slaughter BBQ, a barbecue joint

1659
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:44.159
and horror memorabilia shop and mini resort. Oh today, you

1660
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:51.039
can get a barbecue beef pork and it's not you know, merchandise,

1661
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.640
chainsaw memorabilia, and you can stay overnight in the on

1662
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:56.760
site cabins that are behind the station.

1663
01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:58.039
Oh fun.

1664
01:36:58.520 --> 01:36:59.960
So that's really really cool.

1665
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:01.560
We should go on a road trip there.

1666
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.039
I've always wanted to do that. We could also visit

1667
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:11.600
the house. Ah yeah, which is also a restaurant, so

1668
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.680
believe it or not. In the late nineteen nineties, instead

1669
01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:18.199
of demolishing the house, it was carefully cut into sections

1670
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:22.520
and moved sixty miles to Kingsland, Texas. There it was

1671
01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:27.159
restored and in twenty twelve operated as the Grand Central Cafe,

1672
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:31.800
a small restaurant, and in twenty twenty two This is

1673
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:37.600
What I Love It changed hands and reopened as Hoopers,

1674
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:41.000
dedicated to Toby Hooper, the director. That's awesome and it's

1675
01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:43.960
a southern bar and restaurant named after Toby Hooper, and

1676
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:46.920
it leans into the chainsaw connection with themed menu items

1677
01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:49.119
and decor, but no bone furniture.

1678
01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:53.359
So wait, wait, but did they serve Snappy Tom's?

1679
01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:56.199
I sure hope they do. I could sure go for

1680
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.439
a Snappy Tom right about now. But now that she's

1681
01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.479
arrived at Last Chance Gas, things are not getting any better.

1682
01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:18.479
But we'll talk about that more right after this. So

1683
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:23.960
she arrives at the gas station and she's terrified. She's

1684
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:26.600
talking to the cook as we come to know him,

1685
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:29.600
and telling him, you know, somebody's trying to kill me,

1686
01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:31.520
and he's like, ooh, what what are you talking about?

1687
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:32.960
And he like goes outside. He's like I don't see

1688
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:34.359
anybody out there. And she's like, we need a phone.

1689
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:36.840
You need a phone, and he's like, we don't have

1690
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:40.920
a phone, nearest phones. We have to drive to Childress

1691
01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:45.720
and what Like, what's your thought on this? I want

1692
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.479
to know, like, what are you thinking about this whole situation?

1693
01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:56.039
So I love the layers of discomfort of this scene

1694
01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:04.279
because there's a brief, very very very brief moment where

1695
01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:08.399
as an audience member, you kind of hope, like Okay,

1696
01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:16.479
she's found help, and you know, but then you're immediately

1697
01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:23.920
overcome with this feeling of discomfort by the normalcy of.

1698
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:27.079
This situation, like his reactions.

1699
01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:29.399
Yeah, very like, yeah, just like, oh well that's all

1700
01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:32.119
that's I don't see anybody. Well that doesn't well, we're

1701
01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:34.119
going to have to get you in the truck and

1702
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:36.880
we'll take you, you know, we'll take you, take care

1703
01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:37.439
of you well.

1704
01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:39.239
And on top of that, we have like lingering moments

1705
01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:42.560
where she's looking at the barbecue, which yeah, questionable.

1706
01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:46.399
Yeah, I was gonna say, like those those shots of

1707
01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:49.399
just like the sausages and the meat on the fire

1708
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:53.880
and as she's looking at them and being very uncomfortable

1709
01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:58.039
just by the thought of it, which you know, she

1710
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.239
just saw our brother get slaughtered, so I can I

1711
01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:04.680
can't quite you know, blame her, But yeah, you get

1712
01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:09.159
this feeling of being on edge because it's too normal

1713
01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:13.079
and and it's almost like you've gotten so acclimated to

1714
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.000
all the wild, weird shit going on that now this

1715
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:17.720
is the thing.

1716
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:19.199
It's almost too quiet.

1717
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:22.199
Yeah, it's quiet, yeah, too quiet.

1718
01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:24.000
Yeah, I mean, because she's sitting in there and it's

1719
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:25.520
just like you can just hear the radio on in

1720
01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:28.880
the background, just barely and yeah, and he comes back,

1721
01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:34.920
but now he's got a bag and uh uh yeah,

1722
01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:37.239
he's trying to put her in this bag, yeah, basically

1723
01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:41.840
put it over yeah, which which I can't imagine. He's

1724
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.640
trying to hide where he the house is with the bag.

1725
01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:48.159
I think that's just torture. He starts beaten her with

1726
01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:51.520
a broom and beaten her with the broom and and

1727
01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:55.960
it's it's so long and drawn out and awful.

1728
01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:57.800
Yeah. Yeah.

1729
01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:00.600
And eventually he pushes her into the up truck and

1730
01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.680
drives around, and she's got the sack over her head

1731
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:05.279
and he's got now a broken broomstick. And this is

1732
01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:07.039
one of the sequences that always stuck out to me

1733
01:41:07.119 --> 01:41:09.760
even when I was very young watching this is he

1734
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:11.680
keeps telling her the same stuff he was telling her

1735
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.680
at the gas station. You know, now you just relax here,

1736
01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:15.800
everything's gonna be all right, nobody's gonna hurt you. And

1737
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.039
then he sticks her with he's like jabbing her as

1738
01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:20.119
hard as he can with the stick and like gritting

1739
01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:23.399
his teeth because he's getting joy from it. But he's

1740
01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:26.039
saying that it's gonna be okay, that it's fine, like,

1741
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.359
nobody's gonna hurt you, nobody wants to hurt you. And

1742
01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:30.279
then he's just like getting her and getting her. And

1743
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:33.520
that's the kind of thing that really messes me up

1744
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:38.880
because it's just an absolute sadism. There's there's no there's

1745
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.600
no pragmatism to why you would do that. It's just

1746
01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:45.880
to be cruel. Yeah, you know, it doesn't benefit anybody

1747
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:47.520
to do that. She's not even there's not even a

1748
01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:52.600
chance of her escaping. There's not even a chance of anything. Yeah.

1749
01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:53.439
Yeah.

1750
01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.600
So now as they drive down the dark road as

1751
01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:01.560
they're moving along, oh look, the hitchhigh as a familiar face,

1752
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:06.319
and the cook has nothing but mean things to say.

1753
01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:09.319
He's livid. He's like, look at that idiot, that dumb shit.

1754
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.079
You know. He calls him a bitch, hoog and a

1755
01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:15.920
dumb shit, all kinds of mean insults. He ends up

1756
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:17.600
jumping into the back of the truck as they drive

1757
01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:19.920
the rest of the way to the house. So now

1758
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:22.800
we know for a fact as the audience that the

1759
01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:27.359
hitchhiker is directly related to Leatherface and to the cook

1760
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:31.760
who's at the barbecue restaurant. So at this point we

1761
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:35.039
start to really lean into the insanity of the whole situation,

1762
01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:39.520
and in one of my favorite shots, he gets out

1763
01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.479
of there and the hitchhiker is like talking a munch

1764
01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:44.199
of smack because he all excited. He's carrying a piece

1765
01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:45.800
of roadkill. I don't know if you noticed that. He's

1766
01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:47.920
he's like all excited because he's got a piece of roadkill,

1767
01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:52.680
and the cook starts beating the hell out of him,

1768
01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.039
whacking him in the head with that piece of wood

1769
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.000
and yelling at Hi about like I told you to

1770
01:42:57.000 --> 01:42:58.880
stay away from that cemetery. I told you not to

1771
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:02.840
leave your brother alone in the and it's I mean

1772
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:05.279
it's brutal too. I mean all you see is them

1773
01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.239
lit from behind by the truck lights as he's just

1774
01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:10.960
beating the hell out of him. I mean he's making

1775
01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:13.399
what he was doing to Sally look cute. Yeah, I

1776
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.840
mean he's really messing this guy up. As if you

1777
01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:18.479
could be more messed up. One of my favorite lines

1778
01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:21.079
in Texas Chainsaw Too is when he accidentally gets hit

1779
01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:22.880
in the head with a chop top gets hit in

1780
01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:24.560
the head of the chainsaw and he like checks it.

1781
01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:27.079
He's like, uh, oh good, you didn't mess me up.

1782
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:31.479
It's like such a wonderful thought of like, oh, right,

1783
01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:36.439
so you're not messed up, okay, But so now he

1784
01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:39.560
heads up to the house and I don't know, what

1785
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:42.000
were you thinking or what do you think about that

1786
01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.600
whole sequence, because I apologize, I'm kind of zooming through

1787
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:48.159
with a lot of thought and excitement about Texas chainsaws.

1788
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:50.640
I'm almost like it's one of your favorite movies or something.

1789
01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:51.159
It could be.

1790
01:43:53.039 --> 01:44:01.600
Jeez, I'm always struck by the sheer chaos of the

1791
01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:07.960
whole sequence because there's not a moment to catch your breath,

1792
01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:15.640
and and you feel just as disoriented as Sally as

1793
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:18.720
they drag her into the house and drag her into

1794
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:22.920
the you know, like dining room and tire to a chair,

1795
01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.439
and you know, now leather Face is here, and I

1796
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:28.920
you know, this is the first time she's seen leather

1797
01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:35.359
Face since she got pursued by him. And they're you know,

1798
01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:39.039
they're all like setting up a dinner table. Well, she's

1799
01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:43.279
there in hysterics, tied to the chair, and then they

1800
01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:49.279
bring down Grandpa. And again it made me think of

1801
01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:53.600
those those ceremonies that different cultures will have where you

1802
01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:57.960
bring out the the mummified corpse of an ancestor and

1803
01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.159
then have a meal with it. That was the first

1804
01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:02.840
time I saw it. I was like, oh, so they're

1805
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:06.199
going to have a meal with the dead grandpa. And

1806
01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:10.760
then we realized that he's got one foot in the grave.

1807
01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:12.760
I gotta give it to him like he's working on it,

1808
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:15.000
but he is not quite dead.

1809
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:17.840
Ancient old And I want to mention, by the way,

1810
01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:23.039
Gunner Hanster, Gunner Hanson his leather Face phenomenal casting choice.

1811
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.800
Unfortunately lost Gunner a little while ago, but he was

1812
01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:28.960
super nice guy. I ran into him a million times

1813
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:32.319
working movie conventions, and he was always funny and jovial,

1814
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.880
and supposedly the main reason he got the job as Leatherface,

1815
01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:38.680
Toby Hooper told him was because when he walked into

1816
01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:42.319
the audition, he filled the door. He was just a

1817
01:45:42.359 --> 01:45:46.720
really tall, really broad guy. But Leatherface had a little

1818
01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:50.399
bit more to him then some people realize, because if

1819
01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:52.359
you look closely, and it's a lot easier now with

1820
01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:55.840
blu ray and four K and everything. Leatherface has three

1821
01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:57.920
masks he wears throughout the movie. I don't know if

1822
01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:58.720
you've noticed that.

1823
01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:00.439
I've noticed there's different ones.

1824
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:02.439
He has a mask that people referred to as the

1825
01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:04.600
killing mask, which is the first mask you see. It's

1826
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:12.119
very plain. Then the mask you see when he's at

1827
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:14.479
this sequence is a lot of people call the old

1828
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:19.039
lady mask. He's like getting things ready and doing whatever,

1829
01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:22.439
and when the dinner starts, he's in what they call

1830
01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.720
the pretty woman mask, like a mask with tons of makeup.

1831
01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.880
And there's a scene cutout. I'm I'm sure it's on

1832
01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:29.760
the blue rays because it was on my DVD when

1833
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:31.640
I first bought it. There was a scene cutout of

1834
01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:35.159
Leatherface just putting tons of lipstick on the mask. There

1835
01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:36.600
were like a lot of little things like that that

1836
01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:40.319
were removed. But Gunnar Hansen said that when they were

1837
01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:43.720
making the movie, Hooper and Henkel told him that each

1838
01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:47.439
mask was a different personality and that there was nothing

1839
01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:50.720
underneath that he has to put on a face to

1840
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:51.760
be anyone at all.

1841
01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.760
Ooh, that's scary.

1842
01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:58.920
Yeah, yeah, you like that. Also that Leatherface is the

1843
01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:02.920
woman of the house, which I think, yeah, I mean, well,

1844
01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.279
and that's the kind of thing that like they borrow

1845
01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:09.960
a bit from ed Geen, the idea of the idea

1846
01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:16.159
of of I'm sorry, I'm struggling with the thought he

1847
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:18.439
wanted to become his mother when his mother died. Even

1848
01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:20.239
though he kind of hated her, he also loved her.

1849
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.399
He wanted to be here, so he wanted to wear

1850
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:24.600
her skin so he could convince himself he was her,

1851
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:27.359
you know. And leather Faces here we got these three

1852
01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.119
men who are all brothers. They're the only family left.

1853
01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:33.399
And leather Face, because he's just so bent, just kind

1854
01:47:33.439 --> 01:47:36.239
of becomes the mom. But no one really sees him

1855
01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:42.199
that way because he's a giant killer. It's bizarre and fascinating.

1856
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:48.760
But yeah, it sometimes when I think about leather Face,

1857
01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:51.079
I get really uncomfortable. I thank goodness, it'd be weird

1858
01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:53.920
if I just felt warm and cozy inside. But now

1859
01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:55.960
we're about to find out a lot more about Grandpa

1860
01:47:56.560 --> 01:48:13.119
right after this. So Grandpa needs to eat first. And

1861
01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:17.359
there's a line in Texas Chainsaw three, directed by you know,

1862
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:21.880
Jeff Burr rest in Peace that always stuck with me,

1863
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:24.039
which is the little girl says, if you don't stick them,

1864
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:25.800
then they don't leak, and if they don't leak, then

1865
01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:31.800
he can't feed Grandpa. And in this one, they cut

1866
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.680
Sally's finger. I think that's first. Is the finger cut, right,

1867
01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:39.560
I think so, Yeah, I don't think it's the hammering yet.

1868
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:41.640
No, it's a finger cut then, am.

1869
01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:46.800
So they first they cut her finger and Grandpa sucks

1870
01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:49.880
on her finger and is drinking the blood.

1871
01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:53.960
But he's sucking on her finger like a little like

1872
01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:56.319
a baby suckling on a bottle.

1873
01:48:57.000 --> 01:48:59.159
Yeah, he does. He's like doing the thing where he's

1874
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:01.319
moving his hands and it's very like a like a

1875
01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:04.399
child latching, which is interesting because you know, there are

1876
01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:07.720
all those kinds of concepts where when people get very elderly,

1877
01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:11.680
they kind of become infant like. It is very disturbing,

1878
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:15.000
very upsetting, And that's where the legendary rumor is that

1879
01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:18.560
somebody actually cut her finger because the blood effect wasn't

1880
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:21.279
working properly and they were all dying in there. Because

1881
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:23.560
every scene from here on out in this living in

1882
01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:26.880
this dining room was hell. There are so many stories

1883
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.600
written about. The room was insanely hot. The food was

1884
01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:33.079
rotting on the plates once the dinner scene starts because

1885
01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:37.119
they couldn't move it for continuity, so they were injecting

1886
01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:40.359
it with something along the lines of romaldehyde to try

1887
01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:43.880
to keep it to hold together. Yeah, everybody's sweating like crazy.

1888
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.359
They only had one leather Face outfit for that day,

1889
01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:49.479
so they couldn't wash it because then the blood marks

1890
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:53.159
would mess up. Yeah, it was considered one of the

1891
01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:58.039
worst experiences ever. I again Chainsaw Confidential, Gunner Hansen talks

1892
01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:02.800
at length about what a miserable experience. It was really,

1893
01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:08.600
really rough. So he's drinking her blood and she finally

1894
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:13.840
just passes out. Yeah, Sally comes back to two and

1895
01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:17.439
now she is tied to a chair, which I was

1896
01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:19.720
very amused by the fact that the arms on the

1897
01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:23.880
chair are arms, and her arms are tied to the

1898
01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:27.920
arms on the arms of the chair. And she starts screaming,

1899
01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:31.399
and everyone's sitting around the dinner table and they're all

1900
01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:33.920
like cleaned up. Leather Face is now wearing his pretty

1901
01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:38.479
woman mask, and as she screams in fear, the hitchhiker

1902
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:44.880
is taunting her screams, and Leatherface is kind of getting

1903
01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.680
excited about it too. And this is the first moment

1904
01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:50.960
where we see the cook is kind of like not participating,

1905
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:53.000
although we see him like kind of smirk and smile

1906
01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:57.520
a little bit here and there, and he gives his

1907
01:50:57.520 --> 01:50:59.520
a little speech about like I don't you know much

1908
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.600
like kill and it has to be done, but you know,

1909
01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:04.159
I don't take no pleasure in it. And a lot

1910
01:51:04.239 --> 01:51:06.800
of people have suggested that that could be taken as

1911
01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:10.279
a kind of like kind of like a hypocrisy of

1912
01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:12.840
bosses or whatever that he has like this barbecue restaurant.

1913
01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:16.159
He makes all this benefit off of this heinous stuff,

1914
01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:19.079
but then he acts like he's above it. But he's

1915
01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:25.399
also like clearly a sadist. So it's decided that Grandpa

1916
01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:28.760
will kill her because he was the best once he

1917
01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:30.680
once killed I think it was he said, they said,

1918
01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:33.600
like he once killed like six cows and in four

1919
01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:35.279
minutes or something, and it would have been more if

1920
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:37.560
the hook and Pole gang had been up in their time,

1921
01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:40.600
if they couldn't keep up. Yeah. So but grandpa's like

1922
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:43.239
a total like he can't he can't like hold his

1923
01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:43.920
own arms up.

1924
01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:46.840
Yeah, like they they have to hold his arms so

1925
01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.279
he can holdras hand.

1926
01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:55.039
And the idea is that he will, you know, whack

1927
01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:59.880
her head and and what like this sequence is just

1928
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.359
your terror to me. I mean, we have all these

1929
01:52:02.359 --> 01:52:04.800
shots of her eyes searching around the room, the redness

1930
01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:06.640
of her eyes. We see, like you know, the lamp

1931
01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:09.239
that's made of two different human faces. There's so much

1932
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:12.720
to take in in this sequence, let alone the generalized insanity,

1933
01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.000
which if that's not a saying yet, that needs to

1934
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:18.600
be a saying, a generalized insanity. What what are your

1935
01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:23.319
thoughts on? I mean, this sequence is so friggin' mortifying.

1936
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:24.720
I feel like I say that a lot in this movie,

1937
01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:27.359
because this movie is a very mortified feel very mortified.

1938
01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:36.399
No, it's sheer pandemonium and the sheer cruelty and sadism.

1939
01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:45.319
Because best case scenario is that it takes like five six,

1940
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:51.000
eight good swings from Grandpa before she's finally out of

1941
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.199
her misery, which is a fucking awful way to go,

1942
01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:57.359
and that's the best case scenario.

1943
01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.239
Yeah, I mean he's like barely clipping her. I mean,

1944
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:03.840
it's it's just making it worse. They're holding her back. Yeah,

1945
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:08.079
it's it's really awful. I mean, like the hand just

1946
01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.279
keeps dropping, it's like hitting her on the shoulder and

1947
01:53:10.279 --> 01:53:13.520
she's screaming. I mean, it's like the polar opposite of

1948
01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:16.079
what they're saying, which is, oh, Grandpa, will you know

1949
01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:18.760
do it good, It'll be clean, because you know he's

1950
01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:22.600
such a great killer yeah, and it's it's just hell and.

1951
01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:27.199
And you juxtapose that with the amount of glee that

1952
01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:31.520
the family feels. Oh yeah, because Grandpa's doing what Grandpa

1953
01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:39.119
does best, is ugh like like the hitchhiker is cheering

1954
01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:42.880
him on, and you know, uh, you know, the cook

1955
01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:46.680
and leather face or trying to help him like hold

1956
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:49.800
the hammer and like guide his hand so that he

1957
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:53.039
can whack her. Like you know, they're they're treating this

1958
01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:55.920
like if you were to take Grandpa out to go

1959
01:53:56.039 --> 01:53:56.800
fishing again.

1960
01:53:57.039 --> 01:54:01.640
Yeah, you know, like, well, they live in a very

1961
01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:03.840
denial ridden world.

1962
01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:04.520
M h.

1963
01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:08.359
I mean, the house is filthy, but they don't see

1964
01:54:08.399 --> 01:54:11.840
that their grandmother's dead. They don't see that Grandpa can

1965
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:14.680
is barely alive. You don't see that. I will say,

1966
01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:17.039
from the first time I watched the film, I always

1967
01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:18.560
assumed that it had to be something to do with

1968
01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:22.039
drinking blood that kept Grandpa alive oh so long. That

1969
01:54:22.119 --> 01:54:26.239
like that's why he's like possibly biblical level ancient. But

1970
01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:29.760
he's also still like falling apart, which is another thing.

1971
01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:34.840
No depiction, no open direct depiction of cannibalism, but there

1972
01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:37.039
is a depiction of blood drinking, and there are some

1973
01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:38.600
people who think that they were into some kind of

1974
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:42.640
weird occult kind of thing, hence the blood drinking, and

1975
01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:45.720
they were whacking her head over a big bucket. Maybe

1976
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:47.239
they were going to collect her blood.

1977
01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:50.439
Yeah, yeah, I always assumed something like that.

1978
01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:53.880
Yeah, so that one's a bit you know out there.

1979
01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.760
But even in the slaughterhouse like or you know, on

1980
01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.640
the farm, you'd still like try to keeps some of

1981
01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:02.800
the blood from the animal that you slaughter. You could

1982
01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:06.159
make you know, like stuff out of it. Ah, like

1983
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:06.920
blood pudding.

1984
01:55:07.399 --> 01:55:12.000
All right, you're weird. You're making me uncomfortable. But as

1985
01:55:12.039 --> 01:55:15.159
they're trying and trying to kill her, and the insanity

1986
01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:17.640
is just reaching an all time high, and that is

1987
01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:21.199
the truth. The scene just goes insane. Yeah, yeah, we

1988
01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:23.159
go insane with Sally. We go on a ride with

1989
01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:27.560
her through her mind breaking She finally manages to run

1990
01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:31.279
off because Grandpa can't do shit, and she jumps through

1991
01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:35.279
another window and now she's running and now we realize

1992
01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:38.680
it's daytime. It must be the early morning, and she

1993
01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:44.159
is running literally for her life. But unfortunately the the

1994
01:55:44.279 --> 01:55:48.880
brother's chainsaw are right behind her. So what happens, Well,

1995
01:55:49.239 --> 01:56:03.880
you'll have to wait and find out after this, Sally

1996
01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:06.279
is running for her life. And this is probably the

1997
01:56:06.319 --> 01:56:09.840
most iconic sequence because of the visuals of like the

1998
01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:14.359
old house and the long the long driveway, dirt driveway,

1999
01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:17.319
and her heading toward the road. Now, of course Leatherface

2000
01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:21.520
is big and heavy and slow. The hitchhiker is right

2001
01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:23.279
on her. And this is another example like when I

2002
01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:27.000
was talking about Drayton, see I keep using the I mean,

2003
01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:29.560
that's fine, but you know the cook sticks stick in

2004
01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:31.600
her and how it doesn't really make any sense. The

2005
01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:34.359
hitchhiker is chasing after her with his with his straight

2006
01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:37.279
raiser out and he's just slicing at her back. He's

2007
01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:39.560
not grabbing her, he's not tackling her.

2008
01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:43.159
Yeah, he's not actually trying to stop her. No, he's

2009
01:56:43.159 --> 01:56:44.159
just just tormenting.

2010
01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:46.479
He's just slicing up her back. And when and as

2011
01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:48.840
it's happening, he just keeps going and going and going.

2012
01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:54.039
And that's actually why he dies, because as she gets

2013
01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.079
into the road, all he's doing is like holding onto

2014
01:56:57.119 --> 01:56:58.880
her shirt so he can slice up her back more.

2015
01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:01.680
And when she so away, he looks up and sees

2016
01:57:02.119 --> 01:57:07.119
Black Maria, the big, the big red semi truck which

2017
01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:09.560
I don't know how I never noticed it until last

2018
01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:11.319
time we watched it. But it's a it's a live

2019
01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:16.640
stock truck. Yeah. He gets smashed by a live stock.

2020
01:57:16.319 --> 01:57:19.920
Truck, yeah, which is so poetic.

2021
01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:24.720
And it's very jarring. It's it's it's still holds up

2022
01:57:24.760 --> 01:57:28.199
the effect of him just getting just modover mode over

2023
01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:32.199
by that friggin truck. Yeah. But as that's happening, leather Faces,

2024
01:57:32.279 --> 01:57:35.840
you know, right behind, chasing and chasing and chasing and

2025
01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:40.600
excuse me. Gunnar Hansen said that this sequence was really

2026
01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:44.520
rough because they were so exhausted, they were working super

2027
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:48.800
late all the time and it was so hot. So

2028
01:57:49.600 --> 01:57:51.560
the truck driver gets out is trying to figureut what

2029
01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.239
the hell's going on. He sees leather Face, and I

2030
01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:55.039
love his reaction to He never says a word, he

2031
01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:57.560
never has a line, but he's this big, heavy set

2032
01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.600
black guy and he starts pulling her into the truck.

2033
01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:02.399
The second he season he's like, oh, hell, like get.

2034
01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:03.960
In here, yeah, yeah, no questions.

2035
01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:06.159
The other face comes toward him and starts like sawing

2036
01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:07.720
at his door. He gets out of the other side,

2037
01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:12.600
gets a big pipe ranch throws it at Leatherface, whacks

2038
01:58:12.640 --> 01:58:14.199
him in the head. He falls down. The chain sauce

2039
01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:17.840
cuts up his leg a little bit, which that effect

2040
01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:21.279
was done by putting a metal plate under his pants

2041
01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:23.880
with a steak on top of it aw and it

2042
01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:28.079
looks great, but nobody re really thought about the fact

2043
01:58:28.079 --> 01:58:32.159
that it might get really hot. So he was Finally

2044
01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:34.119
he didn't get cut, but he burned himself a little

2045
01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:36.159
bit shit because when the chainsaw hit the metal, it

2046
01:58:36.239 --> 01:58:41.119
just really really hot. So as the truck driver is

2047
01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:43.359
trying to figure out what he's going to do about

2048
01:58:43.399 --> 01:58:47.399
all this shit, you know, with this nightmare guy, a

2049
01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:49.800
black pickup truck or a black pip, a red pickup

2050
01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:52.840
truck pulls up. I believe it's red, and it might

2051
01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:55.960
not been. I don't know whatever color. Yeah, and she's

2052
01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:58.439
like saying, go go, So she jumps into the back

2053
01:58:58.479 --> 01:59:01.600
of the truck and he guns it as Leatherface is

2054
01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:04.159
like right there. And one of the things that's really

2055
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:08.199
worth mentioning about the sequences, he like comes so close

2056
01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:11.640
to getting her when she's in there. Gunnar Hansen said

2057
01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:14.479
that he got so into character because it was like

2058
01:59:14.520 --> 01:59:17.000
the only way to deal with how miserable everything was.

2059
01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:19.359
While they were making the movie. He got so into

2060
01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:21.520
character that the big problem they had with the takes

2061
01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:24.880
was he kept catching her. Oh and she's supposed to

2062
01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:30.880
get away, so he doesn't catch her. Sally is being

2063
01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:34.239
driven away, she's covered in blood. She's screaming like a maniac,

2064
01:59:34.840 --> 01:59:37.319
laughing and screaming and laughing and screaming. His leather Face

2065
01:59:37.359 --> 01:59:41.439
is standing there. And then the most iconic moment, which

2066
01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:44.359
is Leatherface's chainsaw dance, where he's just like swinging the

2067
01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:48.560
saw around and spinning in like a rageful dance thing.

2068
01:59:48.680 --> 01:59:53.119
It's hard to describe, but it is fascinating. Yeah, and

2069
01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:55.279
he's doing it right as like the sun is rising

2070
01:59:55.319 --> 02:00:00.000
behind him and the chainsaws blaring, and then it just

2071
02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.439
cuts to black and the chainsaw sound stops and you

2072
02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:08.399
realize how loud everything was. Yeah, what a friggin' movie.

2073
02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:11.760
I mean, it's it's extra funny because I thought this

2074
02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:14.880
show might be a little on the short side, because

2075
02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.920
it's like eighty two minute movie and there isn't that much.

2076
02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:20.439
I mean, it's pretty simple, and instead this is like

2077
02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:24.199
a long episode because I can't stop thinking about all

2078
02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:27.840
these choices. What what do you think about the the

2079
02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.359
the ending? Like I want to hear your thoughts on that.

2080
02:00:31.520 --> 02:00:35.600
Again. It's one of the things that solidifies this as

2081
02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:40.039
a you know, a piece of art to me because

2082
02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:42.840
you and you and I have you and I have

2083
02:00:42.920 --> 02:00:47.199
discussed it, and it's something that we bring up a lot,

2084
02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:50.960
especially on this show. But we are both of the

2085
02:00:51.039 --> 02:00:57.079
mindset that the final scene, but especially the final shot

2086
02:00:57.479 --> 02:01:00.520
of a of a good movie, is going to tell

2087
02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:04.039
you everything that you need to know about that movie.

2088
02:01:04.159 --> 02:01:06.520
Yeah, because it tells you where the story ends, tells

2089
02:01:06.560 --> 02:01:08.600
you what the story was exactly.

2090
02:01:09.359 --> 02:01:18.319
And this movie was about Sally's complete psychological break and

2091
02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:20.560
a boy in its chainsaw.

2092
02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:25.439
And a boy and his chainsaw. Fair enough so.

2093
02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:29.319
But but the reason the reason I like it is

2094
02:01:29.399 --> 02:01:35.199
because it's two it's two sides of the insanity coin.

2095
02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:43.319
It's Sally's you know, broke into insanity and Leatherface is

2096
02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:48.199
born into insanity. And we get that those two examples

2097
02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:50.920
as like the final thought of the film.

2098
02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:55.520
Yeah, And it's worth mentioning that in the sequel canon

2099
02:01:56.359 --> 02:01:59.680
they say that Sally when she got to the hospital,

2100
02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.600
she'sed and raved about lampshades made of human skin and

2101
02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:06.399
chairs made of bones, and then she sank into catatonia.

2102
02:02:06.680 --> 02:02:10.640
That's what they say in Texas. Chainsaw too, is that's

2103
02:02:10.640 --> 02:02:14.239
what happened. Yeah, so I mean she was driven mad

2104
02:02:14.279 --> 02:02:18.920
by madness. Yeah, So any other thoughts you want to

2105
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:21.359
throw about that before I give you some some odd

2106
02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:25.600
little trivia and stuff about chainsaw. Uh.

2107
02:02:25.680 --> 02:02:28.039
The other thing that I like about the end because

2108
02:02:28.079 --> 02:02:32.920
you mentioned that the chainsaw just cuts out and suddenly

2109
02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:37.760
you realize how blaring the sound really is. I love

2110
02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:42.520
the sound design and the sound scape of this movie. Yeah,

2111
02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:45.720
because like, not only I mean, obviously there's the chainsaw,

2112
02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:50.279
that's what everyone talks about. But what I love is

2113
02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:56.159
the way that the sound of the generator, especially in

2114
02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:59.279
like the second act of the movie, the sound of

2115
02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:03.800
the generator becomes the sound of dread because once we

2116
02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:09.000
learn how dangerous that house is, we also learned that

2117
02:03:09.439 --> 02:03:14.319
once you can hear the generator, you're too close. And

2118
02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:17.840
so I love that that becomes a subtle and at

2119
02:03:17.880 --> 02:03:22.319
times not so subtle c because the generator gets really,

2120
02:03:22.359 --> 02:03:25.800
really loud. Yeah, So that's I like that a lot.

2121
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:29.319
There's a lot of that. The sound is very interesting too,

2122
02:03:29.319 --> 02:03:31.279
because it was very hard to do a sound mix

2123
02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:33.720
back then. You had to sit in a studio. I

2124
02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:36.600
mean you couldn't just do it on your computer, yeah,

2125
02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:38.680
or even on like a fancy computer. I mean you

2126
02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:40.720
had to go to a place and there were tape

2127
02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:43.720
decks and it was a lot and the sound design

2128
02:03:43.800 --> 02:03:47.479
is really strong in this film. So after the film

2129
02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:51.840
was completed, they could not get a single normal for

2130
02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:53.960
lack of a better term, distributor to touch the film.

2131
02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:54.800
Yeah.

2132
02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:57.359
I wonder why no one seemed to want it. Well,

2133
02:03:57.399 --> 02:03:59.239
I think there was a combination of like, this is

2134
02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:01.520
so brutal, but all so, this is kind of amateurish,

2135
02:04:01.600 --> 02:04:04.079
Like there were a lot of you know, negative thoughts

2136
02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:06.840
on it. So they ended up going with a company

2137
02:04:07.279 --> 02:04:11.880
called Bryanston Distributing Company, who paid them I reported two

2138
02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:15.720
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in advance for the film.

2139
02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:24.000
Bryanston was not a legit company. They had made it

2140
02:04:24.079 --> 02:04:27.239
big because they were the distributors of the film Deep

2141
02:04:27.279 --> 02:04:32.640
Throat Okay, And it was owned by two men who

2142
02:04:32.680 --> 02:04:39.520
were allegedly members of the Colombo crime family. The Bryanston

2143
02:04:39.560 --> 02:04:45.279
Distributing Company was probably a money laundering operation. They were mobsters,

2144
02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:49.840
like legitimate mobsters. It went on to Texas, Chainsaw went

2145
02:04:49.880 --> 02:04:53.199
on to make twelve million dollars in the first year

2146
02:04:53.239 --> 02:04:55.880
in the US box office. It was a massive, massive hit.

2147
02:04:56.319 --> 02:04:59.359
It was just everybody had to go see it. Bryanston

2148
02:04:59.479 --> 02:05:02.960
reported it tiny fraction of its revenue and never sent

2149
02:05:03.079 --> 02:05:06.159
any profits to Hooper Hankle, the investors, or any of

2150
02:05:06.159 --> 02:05:08.880
the cast. Nearly all the cast had back ended profit

2151
02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:12.039
points because they were working for almost nothing. Eventually, they

2152
02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:17.800
sued Brianston for the unpaid profits and won in court,

2153
02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:20.239
and then Brianston just went, well, we're gone and we

2154
02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:22.279
don't have any assets. We're bankrupt.

2155
02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:23.840
Oh shit.

2156
02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:28.319
So Brianston was a mob front and Chainsaw's money went

2157
02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:33.319
into the same black hole as Deep Throats. So yeah,

2158
02:05:33.359 --> 02:05:37.000
it was That was one of the crazier parts about it.

2159
02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:40.960
But there was a small silver lining. So the court

2160
02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:43.000
ordered them to pay Brian's did to pay them five

2161
02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.439
hundred thousand dollars. They never got a penny of it.

2162
02:05:45.479 --> 02:05:49.000
In nineteen eighty three, New Line Cinema, who was just

2163
02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:52.159
starting to grow, because this is right after Freddy, right

2164
02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:56.319
before Freddy Krueger, they acquired the distribution rights to Texas

2165
02:05:56.399 --> 02:06:00.399
Chainsaw Massacre from Hankel and Hooper and they gave it

2166
02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:05.399
a pretty wide theatrical release for a second time about

2167
02:06:05.399 --> 02:06:08.640
ten years later, and did have like a legitimate profit

2168
02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:14.039
share and OK, so it did get another run. But boy, howdy,

2169
02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:18.079
that's one of my favorite stories about Texas Chainsaw is

2170
02:06:18.319 --> 02:06:24.439
how Yeah, they got screwed by the mob. So with

2171
02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:27.760
all that being said, we hope everybody listening to this

2172
02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:30.880
had a very good, fun Thanksgiving. We hope you enjoyed

2173
02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:33.319
a meal with your family, but not like what we

2174
02:06:33.439 --> 02:06:38.880
described just now. And and the holiday season is coming

2175
02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:42.319
right up, and we have two very interesting picks that

2176
02:06:42.359 --> 02:06:45.079
we're going to do back to back. And do you

2177
02:06:45.159 --> 02:06:48.279
want to tell everybody what we're talking about in a

2178
02:06:48.279 --> 02:06:48.880
couple of weeks.

2179
02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:51.920
Yeah, so we're going to be talking about wind chill?

2180
02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:54.640
Well, are we gonna talk about weather phenomena? I thought

2181
02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:55.520
we talked about movies.

2182
02:06:55.720 --> 02:07:00.439
Well wanted to branch out enough.

2183
02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:03.880
Well, wind Chill from two thousand and seven. It's a

2184
02:07:03.920 --> 02:07:07.720
really fun horror movie about being trapped on the side

2185
02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:11.199
of the road in the dead of winter around Christmas time,

2186
02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:15.239
and it's probably the most haunted section of road to

2187
02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:20.439
friggin ever exist. It's very scary, very creepy, and it

2188
02:07:20.479 --> 02:07:24.520
looks like it's actually on Netflix right now, so if

2189
02:07:24.560 --> 02:07:27.479
you want to check it out before we talk. It's

2190
02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:31.279
also on two B and the Roku channel, So that's

2191
02:07:31.319 --> 02:07:35.039
your homework. Kids. At some point in early December, we'll

2192
02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:37.319
be doing wind Chill, and then after that we're going

2193
02:07:37.399 --> 02:07:39.800
to talk about the following episode is going to be

2194
02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:41.880
a dead End, which we'll talk about that more later.

2195
02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:44.199
But there are two films with very similar concepts but

2196
02:07:44.479 --> 02:07:49.319
totally different execution, totally different budgets, totally different everything else.

2197
02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:51.399
So I think it'll be really fun to compare those

2198
02:07:51.439 --> 02:07:54.560
because they're both creepy and scary for so many reasons.

2199
02:07:55.000 --> 02:07:57.640
So but yeah, all that's left to say, I guess

2200
02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:03.479
is this is really thank you guys for joining us. Sorry,

2201
02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:07.199
my voice decided it doesn't love me anymore again, but

2202
02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:09.159
thank you guys for joining us for cutting deep into horror.

2203
02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:11.159
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2204
02:08:11.159 --> 02:08:13.840
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02:08:17.439 --> 02:08:20.079
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02:08:36.119 --> 02:08:38.720
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2214
02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:41.479
I am very tired and I have a very long

2215
02:08:41.600 --> 02:08:43.640
Christmas season because there are going to be so many

2216
02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:47.039
scary stories for you guys to enjoy. So get ready

2217
02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:49.840
for that, because tomorrow we'll have our first It'll be Saturday,

2218
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:55.239
we'll have our first Christmas horror marathon. So until next time, guys,

2219
02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:58.560
stay spooky and eat dinner with your family. Look what

2220
02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:00.760
your brother did at the door as s