Dec. 19, 2025

Cutting Deep into Horror | Dead End (2003) Christmas Road Trip to Hell!

Cutting Deep into Horror | Dead End (2003) Christmas Road Trip to Hell!
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

If you’re hunting for a Christmas horror movie that isn’t cozy or cute, Dead End (2003) is a nasty little gift waiting on a snowy back road. On this episode of Cutting Deep into Horror, hosts Henrique Couto & Rachael Redolfi sink into the cult Christmas chiller where the Harrington family’s Christmas Eve shortcut becomes an endless nightmare of cursed highways, ghostly women in white, and a hearse that feels like it’s driving straight out of the afterlife.

Recorded as a holiday special (Henrique even wishes “my spookies” a very happy holidays right up top), this conversation leans hard into holiday horror vibes: the stress of family gatherings, the dread of long winter drives, and how Dead End weaponizes Christmas lights, carols, and obligation into something suffocating and surreal.

Henrique and Rachael dig into the film’s French indie roots and cult status—shot on 35mm for around $900,000 and later becoming a huge word-of-mouth hit on DVD—with an eye for what makes its single stretch of road feel so oppressive.   They unpack the Harrington family’s bickering, secrets, and guilt; the symbolism of the woman in white and the black car; and how the twist ending recontextualizes every dark joke and cruel fate along the way.

You’ll also hear how Dead End stacks up against other Christmas horror classics, why it’s perfect “between-holidays” viewing when you’re sick of saccharine movies, and whether it deserves a bigger spot in the seasonal horror rotation alongside titles like Black Christmas and Krampus. By the end, you’ll know more about Dead End than you ever thought you needed—and probably be eyeing your next late-night drive a little differently.

Inside this episode

  • Holiday stress & family horror: How Dead End turns a simple Christmas Eve drive to the in-laws into a pressure cooker of resentment, secrets, and supernatural punishment.
  • The woman in white & the black car: Breaking down the film’s ghostly mythology, the hearse imagery, and what those apparitions say about guilt, death, and being “collected” on that endless winter road.
  • Road-movie minimalism: Why keeping the action on one night, one family, and one stretch of forest highway makes the film feel like a bleak Christmas Twilight Zone episode.
  • Budget vs. atmosphere: The tricks that make a ~$900k holiday horror movie feel bigger and more timeless than many larger-budget 2000s genre films.
  • That twist ending: Henrique & Rachael’s interpretation of the finale, Marion’s survivor’s guilt, and how the movie uses its reveal to reframe the entire Christmas Eve journey.
  • Comparing Christmas horrors: Where Dead End sits in the holiday horror canon—and why road-trip terror might be the most relatable Christmas nightmare of all.
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All right, We're just we're just a little behind schedule,

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is all. We're gonna We're gonna get to Grandma's in

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no time, don't you. Don't you kids worry back there?

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Well, at least like at least we're you know, back

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on schedule, you know, despite what happened back there.

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Yes, yeah, that's exactly right, living living child, You're absolutely right.

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Do you want to explain like the uh, the lady

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in the white dress though, like why she's here with us?

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left a woman in white on the side of the

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road in the middle of the cold on Christmas Eve?

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I mean, come on, that would be That would be

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pretty pretty callous, wouldn't.

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like seems to pop up like when bad things happen

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back there.

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Nonsense, you're just being paranoid. Maybe I have an idea

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row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily.

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Life is bud a dream, gently down the stream, merrily, merrily,

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merrily merrily. Life is but a dream. Now we're did baby.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, What deep

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dark secret scary cinema shines a light on The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep.

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That in mind too.

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Now, sharpen your machetes and strap raisers, because this is

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cutting deep into horror.

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Well, hello, my spookies, and a very happy holidays to

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you all. It is I your intrepid host, Enrique Kuto,

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here with my co host here on cutting deep into horror,

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Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel, how are you?

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I'm pretty all right? Yeah, yeah, glad to not be

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in the car with the dead baby anymore.

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Well, I mean it's still early. There's always more more

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places to go. This is the fifth day of Hanukkah

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when this airs, Oh.

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Mazzeltov, that'll do.

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But yeah, it's December nineteenth, so crimbo is really close to.

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Coming along right around the corner.

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It really is, and I've been enjoying it.

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But boy, howdy, lots of work huh.

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I actually liked working retail at Christmas time, which I

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know people are like, what what is wrong with you?

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I really enjoy and the funniest part is I didn't

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just work retail. I worked retail at the mall.

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I know, because you're a son of.

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A bitch at the Spencer's Gifts baby, and which I

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liked working at Spencer's Gifts too, it was just the

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management wasn't so good. I mean literally, like they couldn't

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make my schedule right so that I could keep working there.

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so I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the crowds and the

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music and all that. That's just that's just me. I

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love Christmas and all that. But I'm not gonna lie.

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When I went to work at the TV station, oh

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I could say it now because the the dumb shit

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boss of mine. He's retired now. Yeah yeah, yeah, I

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hope it's warm down there, fucker no, uh no, bye bye.

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He was a terrible, terrible boss, terrible person toward me.

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hell yeah, like we don't have like a Christmas rush season,

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which is overall true, but we did have to film

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the parade. The parade on the on Black Friday, I

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think is what it was. Yeah, yeah, it was on

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Black Friday, and we did have to film like a

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few other little Christmas y things, which I actually were

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kind of fun as long as it wasn't too cold.

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nuts with you know this or that. And then when

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I became self employed, there were a few about five

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or six years there where it just Christmas time was

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just slow. So I just chilled. I was broke, like

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dead ass broke. Yeah, I had no money. I remember,

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this is so funny. So the first I think it

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was the first December after I became self employed, work

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then coming back here and then I did a seminar

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for Film Dayton and back then they paid you for those.

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they cut your check, which was really nice. Yeah, I

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agreed to it, and then I found out about the check.

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it was just nothing there were no commercials to work on,

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twenty fourteen, so you could. I mean, they still moved

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quite a bit, but for the most part, I just

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had nothing. So I kid you not, like I remember,

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like I think it was the weekend before Christmas. I

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couch and I had to bring my TV into the

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living room because we didn't have a living room television.

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it out to the living room and I signed up

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for a three day trial of Showtime and just binge

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and I just watched like three days straight, just like

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three seasons of Ray Donovan. I mean, I mean seriously,

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like it was my job. I laid on that couch

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and I watched Showtime because it was free. So those

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were simpler times. And then when I got into the

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podcasting thing, it's slowly changed, and now the third or

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the fourth quarter of the year is nuts. Yeah, it

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just is insane. So I'm not complaining. I'm very happy

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about all the people joining us and listening, and I'm

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very happy about all of it. It's just boy, how

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to use it? A lot of work. I feel like

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lately I'm just the king of good problems to have.

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Sometimes I want to punch myself for complaining. H I

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have to record all these podcasts so people can listen

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to them when wheen so anyway, but no, So it's

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not been a bad It's not been a bad season overall,

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just a.

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Very very busy season.

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Yes, and I mean aside from hiring that contractor.

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Ah, don't get started on that.

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I guess I won't. I won't, I won't. But but

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I hate him, I know, dear, and he is stupid.

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Yes that's what I got. Yep. But so that's quite

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the cheery intro. So we're going to take a quick

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break and when we get back we might even talk

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about dead end from two thousand and three.

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Oh what a idea after this?

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So before this, I do have to say a big

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but now it's time to talk about the film, which

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I suppose is the entire purpose of the show.

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Allegedly.

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Yes, and the film is from two thousand and three.

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It's called dead End, starring Ray Wise. And I'm going

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to give the rundown, just the basic rundown from Google.

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When a family en route to a Christmas Eve gathering

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decides to take a shortcut down a wooded road, and

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eerie sequence of events signals trouble ahead. After nearly colliding

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with an oncoming car, father Frank picks up a ghostly

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hitchhiker and her infant child. This is really long, with

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the sudden appearance of their new passengers. Wait what Yeah,

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the route becomes dark and treacherous, and the family's number

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rapidly begins to dwindle in a series of seemingly connected,

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grizzly roadside accidents. Okay, it's not a terrible rundown, but

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it's really long. Yeah, jeez, just kept going. So that's

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dead End. And it is a Christmas wintry car horror film. Yeah,

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which may sound familiar because last time we were talking

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we talked about another Christmas wintry car thriller horror movie

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called wind Chill from two thousand and seven, and that

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movie had a much bigger budget, a bit more of

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a bit more cachet behind it.

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You have nothing to say, Oh no, I was actually

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just looking at I was looking at the budget for

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dead End. No, what doesn't What separates budget and wind

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Chill isn't just sorry.

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What separates budget and wind Chill?

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Sorry? I was reading this while I was trying to talk.

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So what separates dead End and wind Chill isn't just

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the budget. What separates them is also while they have similar,

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you know, a similar synopsis of like you said, being

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a car movie, a dead of winter movie, very winterry

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Christmas Eve, very Christmas, Yeah, on Christmas Eve, the execution

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is so incredibly different because whereas wind Chill is more

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of like a slow burn and it's a very very

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intimate dive into just two characters, with dead End, it's

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more of a but what's the word when you've got

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a a large ensemble, a large cast of characters. So

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it's an ensemble cast, and it's got more of that

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early two thousand's crime thriller feel to it. That's just

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kind of the vibe that I got from it from it.

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So they both you know, they both have their similarities,

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but it's just like they went two completely different directions

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on how they executed it. Which is why I wanted

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to talk about both of them, is because you know,

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there's similarities, but there's so much there that you can,

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you know, sink your teeth into.

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Well, I've been talking about one of the movies and

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had somebody think I was referring to the other one

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until I got into the details. Yeah, because you know

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Car Trip, Christmas Eve, Haunted Road.

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Yeah, the broad strokes, they sound almost exactly the same.

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They do one big difference. Well, okay, so here's a

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bizarre coincidence between the two. Both films were directed by teams, really,

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which is not super common.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah, Windchill, I forget who directed it, but that we're

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not talking about wind Chill. That was last time. But

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dead End was directed, written and directed by Jean Jean Baptiste,

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Andrea and Fadris Canipa. And you may notice those names

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all sound very French. That's because the film is French.

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It is, okay, now is it French? Canadian French?

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The movie was made by French filmmakers with finance by

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French money. But it was made in America, was shot

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in Los Angeles with it it was written in English.

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It was shot within American cast or at least I

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believe they were all American. The other big name other

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than ray Wise is Lynn Shea. Yeah. Lynn Shea, who

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became a very big name in the Insidious movies, and

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she was in the original Nightmarre and elm Street briefly

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because her brother Bob Shea founded New Line Cinema, the

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company that made the Freddy Krueger movies. So the cast

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is pretty is pretty solid, especially having Lynn Shay and

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ray Wise playing the two the married, the husband and wife. Yeah.

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Ray Wise, who I know you'll remember because he was

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in Digging Up the Marrow, which is a great film.

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But he was also in Swamp Thing in nineteen eighty

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two that was also a big one. A lot of

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people remember him for. He was in Jeepers Creepers two

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in two thousand and three, X Men First Class in

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twenty eleven. He's been in a ton of films and

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TV shows.

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Yeah, and he's every time I see him, I enjoy him.

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Yeah, No, I mean he's he's phenomenal. From what I understand.

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He ended up replacing somebody at the last minute on

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dead End really and kind of brought a lot of

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renewed confidence to the project because he was a somewhat

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recognizable actor and they had lost their lead of sorts,

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and then they scored Ray Wise. He was also on

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like an episode of The X Files. He's he's been

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on all kinds of stuff. He's still with us. He

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is seventy eight years.

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Old, and he looks good for seventy eight two.

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I haven't seen him recently.

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Oh, I was just looking at the picture on Google.

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Well Lynn, Wow. Lynn Shay's eighty two.

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Yeah, and she looks great too. According to Google.

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Lynn's still acting.

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Good for her Wow.

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Well, I mean the Insidious. The last Insidious film was.

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Twenty two three, so that's very recent.

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Well, and that's a big deal. That's something people don't

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talk about a lot. She's the lead in the Insidious franchise.

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She took over like by I think Part two or

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Part three and became pretty much the main character in

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those movies. Those are like some of the biggest box

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office movies ever to have the lead actor be an

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elderly woman. I think that's awesome. I hope it didn't

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come out. I didn't mean like elderly woman to be insulting,

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but I.

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Mean she's literally a definition.

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Yeah, and it's not often that any elderly person gets

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to lead a movie, but if they do, they tend

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to be like freakin' Robert Redford or something. So it's

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awesome that lindsay that. Like, there's a horror franchise that's

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basically led by an old lady who is not just

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and she's not playing like a scary you know that

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whole joke about A twenty four it's like old woman

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plus naked equals horror. That's not what she's doing. She's acting,

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you know, She's playing a character that people really are

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and endeared too. Yeah, So when we get back, we'll

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talk about first viewings of dead End and start digging

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into a little bit of the story right after this.

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So dead End twenty twenty oh three. Yeah, this one.

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I actually last time we were talking about this, I

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did not remember exactly how I saw it, but now

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I do. It was one of the early films on Netflix, digital, oh,

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cool streaming, or whatever you want to call it. It

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was one of the very early ones. And that is

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how I saw it. And I think I saw it

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before Windchill maybe, and i'm because I know for a

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while I had them both confused. Yeah, but I remember

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putting it on being amped that it was a Christmas movie. Unfortunately,

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there's no snow. It takes place in California. They filmed

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it in California. Yeah, they do get across a sense

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of cold, but it is not a snowy movie. That's

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that's the biggest way you can tell them apart is

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one has tons of snow, which in many ways is

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due to budget. We don't know how much Wind Chill cost,

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but it cost a few million dollars. At least dead

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End cost nine hundred thousand dollars, so a relatively swelt

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budget in two thousand and three. It was certainly shot

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on thirty five millimeter film. Yeah, I will say there's

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a rumor going around about dead End that it was

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this monster hit on DVD, but I can't find any source,

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Like I can't find any reliable source for where the

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number comes from. But people are claiming that that it

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did seventy seven million dollars in DVD sales. While that's possible.

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If that were the case, I feel like Jean Baptiste

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Andrea would have done more than one other movie. I mean,

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because his career has just not been that eventful. If

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you had directed a movie that made that kind of money,

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I mean, I in that time period between three and six,

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I was working in the DVD business, and that's insane

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sale money. I mean, that's really really good money for

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a major movie, not a little movie. So I mean

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I would say it would be impressive if it did

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seven million.

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Yeah, that's still damn good, very impressive. Noah.

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So but yeah, apparently there's no source for that sighting

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sighting where that came from. I do want to mention,

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by the way, that you can watch it right now.

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It's very easy to get your hands on. You can

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watch it for free on tub Pluto TV, Amazon Prime

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Video with ads Plex, or you can rent it wherever

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you your movies, Amazon Prime Video if you don't want

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to watch ads Fandango at home, Apple TV. They all

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have it and it's everywhere, and it's I mean, it

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really is a great watch. When when I first had

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seen it and wasn't completely I don't know, like it

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just kind of happened. I kept forgetting parts about it,

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Like for years I was like, oh, yeah, that was

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the other Winter Haunted road movie, but that one, oh

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you know what it was. It was there was the

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other Winter Winter Haunted Road movie, but this one took

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place at Christmas. Because for a while I kept remembering

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Windchill is not taking place at Christmas, just being winter, Okay,

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And then you know when I as time went on

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and now you can just access any movie you want,

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anytime you want, anywhere you want. Down here, I've watched

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them so many times now I'm like, I know exactly

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when they take place. Yeah, but at the time I

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would get confused. But yeah, this one. It's got great scares,

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great characters, tons of memorable moments, some really bizarre moments

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which I think are better explained by the French being involved.

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Yeah, suddenly there's some scenes that make a lot more

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sense now.

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Well, the French have a very broad sense of humor.

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H hence why they love Jerry Lewis. That is such

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an old joke, Like that was an old joke in

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the nineties when people were saying it around me when

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I was a kid, that the French loved Jerry Lewis

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and now I'm making that joke, and it's been almost

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thirty years since the nineties. It's I'm almost forty years

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since the nineties. Sorry, So anyway, so I know that

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I showed you this movie. It's become like a humorous

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trope that most of these movies' is like, so when

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did you see it, Rachel? And you're like, when you

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showed it to me? Because I am your horror sherpa.

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It's true, but oftentimes not always, but often you pick

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the movies we talk about. Yeah, and this is no different.

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You picked wind Chill and dead End back to back

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because they have so much in common.

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M hm.

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So I would love to know what made you want

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us to talk about dead End for cutting deep into horror.

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Well, not only did I want to compare and contrast

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dead End and wind Chill, because there's a lot they

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have in common, which we spoke about briefly, but there's

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also a lot that is different. Like you said, wind

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Chill is a very snowy movie, whereas dead End, it

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feels kind of like winter, but it just it's cold,

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but it's not snow.

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It's more like the way Christmas actually is in most

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of the US. Yeah, it's rarely just piles and piles

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of snow. Yeah, it's very rare.

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Which the color pellettes for wind Chill are like blue

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and whites and blacks, whereas with dead End it's more

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of like greens and browns and grays like so they've

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got a lot, a lot of differences going on. Visually.

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Well, at that time, monochromatics were so so in Oh yeah,

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because of the Saw movies. They kind of established this

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idea of monochromatics. If you look back at those movies,

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neither of them have very vibrant color at all. Yeah,

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although I think some of that also goes to Dead

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End having very good photography. They really played with lighting

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and darkness and shadows because they shot the film on

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if I'm remembering correctly, on like a four hundred was

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it like four hundred meter stretch of road? Oh wow?

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So not that much No, no, And I mean that's

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you know, it's more road than I got, but you know,

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but it's not that much space. And they shot it

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at night and it was shot I believe in the summertime. Okay,

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So to make it feel to make it feel atmospheric,

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to make it feel cold. To make it feel all

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those things, you would have to really play with shadows

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and the way you use light. And one thing dead

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End does that I think really helps keep you on edge,

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even as it gets kind of funny at times or

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it gets a little bit wild at times, is it

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doesn't have any hyperrealism. There's no blue moonlight bathing through

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the trees. It just doesn't do that. Yeah, and that's

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a very common thing to do. I mean, I do it.

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I love the blue shaded moonlight, which doesn't really exist.

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But we all see night like that in movies. That's

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the way we understand night. So I think that the

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atmosphere is a real strong element of this movie, and

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I feel like it's if I'm honest, I think it's

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a more masterful use of filmmaking technique. As to where

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Wind Chill, it's like they had all the snow, they

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had some really good actors, they had a great location.

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I think that they were able to literally build their atmosphere. Yeah.

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As to where in dead End they created it using

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the tools of filmmaking. Yeah, it's also worth mentioning that

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unlike dead End, Wind Chill has, you know, an opening

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at a college and then they're at a gas station

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in a restaurant in his bathroom, and then and then

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once they're stuck in the car, they end up wandering

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and seeing things. Dead End is on this strip of

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road in the car and in that little shed kind

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of thing. Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, I mean there's

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a brief thing toward the end. I mean that we

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already warned you abot spoilers, a brief thing toward the

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end at the hospital. But that's it.

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That's it.

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Yeah, it's a very very simple film.

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But that's the That's the other thing that I really liked,

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and why I wanted to discuss these two movies back

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to back is because they're they're both a master class

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in utilizing the tools that you have at your disposal

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as as as efficiently as possible. So like with dead End,

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because they have you know, Ray Wise and Lynn Shay

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and this great ensemble cast, they were really able to

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lean into the character development and especially the history between characters.

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They were really able to bring that up. Where as

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with wind Chilled, because it's only those two characters, we

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really had to spend a lot more time getting getting

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into their individual heads. So it's it's just a you

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know a matter of taking the tools that you have

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and utilizing them as best as you possibly can. And

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that's why I wanted to bring it to people's attentions,

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so that they could kind of sit down and appreciate

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them both for their differences and their similarities.

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I mean, I think that's fair. So with that all

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being said, we'll dive into the actual nuts and bolts

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of the film right after this.

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So Dead At opens on a family driving down a

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winding road very clearly is the West coast Ish region,

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and it does we do get I know, laugh at

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me all you went. I know, we had all that

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time to prep Why didn't I clear my throat?

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Then, well, you're a notorious throat clearer now, because sometimes

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you've been talking, like just not on a show or anything,

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you've just been talking and I've literally been like, please

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clear your throat because you just keep like, well, it's

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like I don't know what that is. It's super fleming,

451
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.400
and it's just it's just like morphing, you know, and

452
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.680
and I'm just like, no, please please clear your throat

453
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:22.160
and then and then continue, So.

454
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.480
Voice morphing aside. So this family there is a dad

455
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.359
and a mom in the front seat, and then in

456
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.279
the back seat is daughter and the Sun. They're both

457
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.799
you know, older, probably late teens, possibly early twenties.

458
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.920
Well, the daughter is a psychiatrist, so she'd have her

459
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.559
late twenties.

460
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.000
Okay. The Sun it is kind of ambiguous.

461
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.559
I would guess he was just out of high school

462
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.559
or or maybe a senior in high school.

463
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.880
Yeah, something something like that. And along with them is

464
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:02.079
also the daughter's boyfriend, Uh, Brad, I think, I mean,

465
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:03.599
I think that's its name.

466
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:09.240
Yep, Well there's a Brad in it. I mean, yeah, Brad, Brad, Brad.

467
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.119
I'm not totally insane. So they're all driving around and

468
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:20.359
it's pretty apparent that this has been a long road trip,

469
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.160
and the mom's kind of nagging the dad, uh, you know,

470
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.240
mentioned something about, you know, drive carefully because I've got

471
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.599
the all the presents in the back and I've got

472
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.839
the pie that we want to give to the family,

473
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.240
and he's, you know, he's like, nah, it's fine, it'll

474
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.799
be fine, and pretty you know. He he dismisses her,

475
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.240
and she just kind of goes about her business. She

476
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.519
goes to sleep because again, it's been a long road trip.

477
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.680
Everybody else is kind of nodding off, and then the

478
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:57.839
dad he starts to nod off, and another car is

479
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.960
coming on the other side of the road, approaching them,

480
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.079
and he barely wakes up just in time and kind

481
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:10.200
of swerves, barely missing the other vehicle, you know, crashes

482
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:11.319
off the side of the road.

483
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:12.279
Well, they don't crash.

484
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.160
They don't crash, right, No, No, they just off the

485
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.480
side of the road. Let's see, gonna mix up the movies.

486
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.319
But they they swerve, they pull off to the side

487
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:32.880
of the road. Everyone is okay, nobody's hurt. So the uh,

488
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.720
the dad kind of admits like, yeah, I guess I was.

489
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.720
I guess I was starting to like doze off there,

490
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.119
and everyone's pretty disappointed at him. But you know, his

491
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.319
his whole complaint is they do this drive every year

492
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.319
and it's so super boring and he hates, you know,

493
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:56.000
he hates visiting her family. And maybe it's that's is

494
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:57.960
that not argument not there right at.

495
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.279
The Well, the whole point is the reason that not

496
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.680
on the road that they're supposed to be on, is

497
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.920
he took a different route because of how boring the

498
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.599
drive usually is. Usually is he doesn't so he's not

499
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.279
doing the drive that he's done every time.

500
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:10.599
That's what it is.

501
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.359
But that's the joke, is that he says he didn't

502
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.200
want to do because he didn't want to because he

503
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.680
didn't want to be bored, and he still started dozing

504
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:19.519
because he was bored.

505
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:28.000
Yeah, so we immediately get a sense that the family

506
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:34.119
doesn't get along great. The sister and the brother. They

507
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.359
kind of snipe back and forth at each other. The boyfriend,

508
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.799
to his credit, he's trying to get along with everyone,

509
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.359
but the brother especially like really doesn't seem to like him,

510
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.039
or at least doesn't appreciate his presence.

511
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.720
It's very two thousand and three. He's just constantly calling

512
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.920
him gay. I mean, that's really it. He's just constantly

513
00:31:54.920 --> 00:32:02.200
calling him gay. He's wearing a baseball jack. He's really

514
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.759
into baseball. He played baseball in college. The the boyfriend,

515
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:11.160
not the brother, and that's like his thing. And he

516
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:16.519
keeps bringing up baseball, and the brother keeps mentioning how

517
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.720
you know, basically he's gay with all his baseball friends.

518
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.319
That's like his his go to insult constantly.

519
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:24.920
Yeah.

520
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.519
So yeah, and the brother is is really which is

521
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.440
his name is Richard? Yes? Because this is the Harrington family.

522
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.119
He's really just a little shit. I mean, well, you know,

523
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:46.599
before before things started to get dire later on, it

524
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.279
was amusing, you know, it's kind of funny. It's like, oh,

525
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.480
you know, he's just kind of gives everybody shit. He's

526
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.039
just kind of a little asshole. But he doesn't stop,

527
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.319
no when things get weird and bad and scary and

528
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.440
weird again, and it's got to be too weird weird.

529
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.599
So yeah, he just he just keeps pushing everyone's buttons.

530
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.400
But he's especially all about pushing his sister and her

531
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:12.440
boyfriend's buttons.

532
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:14.079
It's like his hobby.

533
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.720
Yeah, and he likes to mess with his mom too,

534
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:19.599
So he's definitely the baby of the family.

535
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.680
And we also get a sense that the mom really

536
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.240
cuts him a lot more slack than she possibly should

537
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.559
because he is pushing he's you know, going around pushing

538
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.559
everyone's buttons, and the mom is just making every excuse

539
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:44.960
for his behavior. So yeah, we we pretty immediately get

540
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:50.279
a good beat on the family dynamics. So they're driving

541
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:55.799
along these back roads and they pass a little shack

542
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.559
cabin thing, but no one really mentions it, no one

543
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:05.160
says anything, but what they do mention is after they

544
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.400
pass the cabin, maybe a mile or so down the road,

545
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.280
the dad sees a lady, a woman in the woods,

546
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:18.960
and she's dressed in a white shirt or white gown

547
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.400
like a dress, and so he immediately stops and pulls

548
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.760
over because what kind of gentleman would he be if

549
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.480
he just leaves a poor woman alone in the woods.

550
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.800
And I guess we'll find out after this.

551
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.360
So they see this woman in the white gown and

552
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.840
they pull off to the side of the road, and

553
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.800
there's some kind of discussion about what they should do

554
00:34:58.519 --> 00:34:59.239
with this woman.

555
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.960
Well, there's no in the car, yeah, because there are

556
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:04.480
three people in the back, two in the front, and

557
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.159
it's a station wagon style vehicle, and the back is

558
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.760
full of all the Christmas presents for all the cousins

559
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.639
and uncles and aunts and grandparents, yeah.

560
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:20.519
The whole family. So what what they initially discuss is like,

561
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.440
what are they how are they going to help this woman?

562
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.039
And someone mentions, well, there was that shack a mile

563
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.000
or so back. Maybe there's like a telephone or someone

564
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.639
lives there. Maybe we could get some help from there.

565
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:39.239
But again, there's not enough room in the car for everyone,

566
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.960
So Mary and the daughter she volunteers to just walk

567
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.840
a clip down the road so that the young lady

568
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.639
can sit in her seat in the car and Mary

569
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:53.400
and will meet them back at the cabin.

570
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:58.280
Well, did you it's funny to me, you're you're, you're,

571
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.440
you're glossing over two really interesting things. Number one, the

572
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.559
woman in white doesn't really speak, and when she does

573
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.960
it's to no. One in particular. And number two, she's

574
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:08.679
holding a baby.

575
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.599
Uh yeah, I guess I should have mentioned both of those.

576
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:16.239
Just the scary parts. It's okay, Well, no, it's you know,

577
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.480
it's it's not easy doing this, this show. It's not

578
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.960
easy doing a show about movies because you want to

579
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.639
You don't necessarily want to recap an entire movie, but

580
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.199
you do want to recap enough so that you can

581
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.840
set up the comments and thoughts you have. And sometimes

582
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.159
you just get too obsessed, you the Royal You, not

583
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.280
just you, Rachel, too obsessed with just getting through the plot.

584
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:49.400
But the woman in white is really creepy. She's this gorgeous,

585
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.920
very tall, blonde woman holding a what appears to be

586
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.639
a baby wrapped up in blankets, although we don't hear

587
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.159
a baby coup or cry or or anything like that.

588
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.599
And this reeks of a ton of vanishing hitchhiker myths,

589
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.320
which I've studied those extensively. It's possibly one of my

590
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.760
favorite folklore of the Americas, although there are there are

591
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:27.480
vanishing hitchhikers in overseas folklore as well, mostly in England

592
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.440
and Ireland and places like that, but it's very, very

593
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.119
common in America, and it's very common for it to

594
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:39.840
be a lady in white. That's a super common element resurrection.

595
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.000
Mary is a lady in white, and she's the most

596
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:48.239
famous vanishing hitchhiker in the world. So they have this

597
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.880
odd woman, but of course, from their perspective, it's just

598
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.199
a woman on the side of the road on Christmas

599
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.960
Eve with a baby. It's freezing cold outside, and she

600
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.599
clearly needs help. And this is pre you know, the

601
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.119
super proliferation of cell phones. So and I don't I

602
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.599
think a couple of them have cell phones and they're

603
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.800
not getting any reception. Yeah, So they turn around to

604
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.800
go back to this what looks like a cabin. It's

605
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.960
like a little shack. They're hoping it's a ranger's cabin

606
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.079
or a ranger station. And also worth mentioning, we haven't

607
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.719
seen a single light, we haven't seen an intersection, we

608
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:34.480
haven't seen any sign of anything except for that little shack.

609
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.360
We saw a little bit of go and now this

610
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.400
lady in white, and my guess is that it was

611
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.880
like about a quarter of a mile because as they

612
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.400
drive up, Little Marion decides to walk herself so she

613
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.880
can get some air. But that's when we find out

614
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.440
some interesting things that are going on with her.

615
00:38:52.760 --> 00:39:02.000
So as Marion's walking down the road, sorry, I'm reading

616
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.880
my notes real quick so that I can make sure

617
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:09.679
that I don't jump ahead, she's walking down the road

618
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.199
and smoking a cigarette, or at least trying to smoke

619
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.960
a cigarette. Like she pulls the pack out and she

620
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.239
goes to light it, and it looks like maybe her

621
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:24.159
lighter is dead or something windy or it's too windy,

622
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.199
something like that. And then she starts like rehearsing a

623
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:34.280
conversation to herself, and that's when we realize that while

624
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:39.280
she's aware, or while she and her boyfriend are planning

625
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:46.519
on getting engaged, she's planning on breaking up with him.

626
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.960
But also is this one she reveals that she's pregnant too,

627
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.079
so not only is not only is she sitting there thinking,

628
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.920
you know, she'd be sitting there planning her exit str

629
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.800
with Brad, she's also kind of rehearsing in her head

630
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:09.199
what she's gonna do because she doesn't want to stick

631
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:15.400
around with him, but she doesn't necessarily, you know, not

632
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:22.639
want to have the kid either. All the while, the

633
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:28.079
dad and mom and Richard, the Sun and Brad and

634
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.360
the lady in white, they all arrive at the cabin.

635
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.440
The mom and dad they get out and they decide

636
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.400
to go in the cabin. They're going to investigate and

637
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.320
see if they can find a phone or find some

638
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.840
way of like getting a hold of the authorities. Richard,

639
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.599
being the little shit that he is, he just high

640
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.639
tills it out into the woods with a porno mag.

641
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.400
Well, he says he has to go take a leak,

642
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.760
but apparently he wants to pull his pud to a

643
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.079
porno mag by the light of a zippo. Yeah, which

644
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.159
I mean, I guess it was a different time. It

645
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.960
was the early two thousands. We had axe body spray

646
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:08.880
and that.

647
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.119
Yeah, what a winner, what a real winner.

648
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.280
Well, he's supposed to be like nineteen or twenty, you know, Yeah,

649
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.559
maybe he's college. I kept getting the vibe maybe he

650
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:22.679
was a senior in high school.

651
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.559
That's what I think, is like seventeen to nineteen, somewhere

652
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:27.360
in that range.

653
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:33.519
But while he's on his excursion that leaves mister now

654
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.480
I can't remember his name, Brad alone with the woman

655
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.840
of white and a woman in white in the car,

656
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.199
and things get in multiple ways quite a bit stickier,

657
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.079
not literally. That's the other scene and we'll get to

658
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.480
those right after this.

659
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:10.920
So Brad, the consummate gentleman is in the car with

660
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:17.199
the shell shocked lady in white. She's holding a bundle

661
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.519
of blankets and kind of caressing it and rocking it

662
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.480
like it could be a baby. And Brad he really

663
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.440
is like he is trying. That's one of the things

664
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.400
that I like about Brad is even when, like even

665
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.159
when Richard is busting his balls, even when the dad

666
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.119
is kind of a busting his balls, Brad's still like

667
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.960
a good sport about everything. And so he've really is

668
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.639
like he's trying to talk to this lady. He's trying

669
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:49.199
to ask like where she's from, and you know, if

670
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:53.000
she needs any help. And then he starts gushing about

671
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:56.960
Marion and that once Marian's there, she'll be able to

672
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:03.960
help because she's the best psychologist he knows, and you know,

673
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.639
she works so hard to get through college and she's

674
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:11.559
the smartest person he knows, and he's gonna ask her

675
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:17.800
to marry him. And the woman in white really does

676
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:25.159
not seem to be registering any of that. She's pretty disconnected.

677
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:26.519
Yeah, I would say so.

678
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.239
And we get the vibe that she is like totally

679
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:37.679
dissociated from everything. And that's when she's kind of starts

680
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:45.480
rambling on and she starts talking about her baby, and

681
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.239
then she just kind of shoves it into Brad's face

682
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.880
and says, you know, here, take this, take this, you know,

683
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.639
hold it. You need to hold my baby, and he's, again,

684
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.920
he's a nice guy. So he holds the baby and

685
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.559
he's kind of like, oh, you know, I've never even

686
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.079
really this, Like, am I doing it right? And that's

687
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:10.159
when he realizes his baby's really cold, and he kind

688
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.920
of pulls back one of the blankets and he or, no,

689
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.000
we don't even see it. No, we just hear him scream, no, no, no,

690
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:19.039
we don't, we don't.

691
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.119
No. He asks her how the baby breathes through all

692
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.360
those blankets how the baby breathes too, and she It's

693
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.760
one of the creepiest scenes in the entire movie because

694
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.480
she laughs like it's a really funny joke, not like

695
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:41.840
a crazy, like a legitimate like because he's he's dead

696
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:49.760
and it's friggin mortifying. So then he screams when she

697
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:56.719
apparently shows him the dead baby, and the scream startles Richard,

698
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:03.400
who is finishing bopping the bishop. And when everybody runs back,

699
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.920
Brad and the woman are gone, yeah, no sign none.

700
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.320
And at that point Marion is almost to the cabin,

701
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.159
and that's when we first see the hearse, which makes

702
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.800
up the poster image for the film, which is a

703
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.159
hearse with a person kind of like pounding to try

704
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.559
to get out of the back. We see the hearse

705
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.679
driving away and her boyfriend is in the back of

706
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.760
the hearse, like pounding on the window, trying to call

707
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:32.320
to Marion.

708
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.800
Yeah, and she watches, i mean she watches him stuck

709
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.440
in this car as it drives off, and she just

710
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:48.400
books it to the cabin and she starts screaming that

711
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.360
they've got Brad, they've taken him. We you know, we

712
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.840
need to we need to save him. So they all

713
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.679
pull pile into the car and they peel off down

714
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.800
the road, trying to chase after the hearse And as

715
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:10.760
they are careening down the road, there's something in the

716
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.480
middle of the road. So they come to a stop

717
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.840
and all get out of the car and we never

718
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:25.960
see it, but everyone is absolutely mortified when they look

719
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.639
at this thing in the road.

720
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.400
Yeah, they definitely play with the theater of the mind

721
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.760
on it. One of my favorite things about this is

722
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.920
the fact that when she starts screaming about this frank

723
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.239
her dad doesn't really ask a lot of questions. I mean, like,

724
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.320
once he sees how pandic she is and she says,

725
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.519
like she saw a car running down He's like, well,

726
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:48.960
which way did they go? How far ahead where they

727
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.760
He just gets in the car. But he in the

728
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.440
car and they just book it trying to catch whatever

729
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.760
is going on. But when they find the body, they

730
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:03.599
really play up all these very dark humor elements about

731
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.360
how messed up his body is. At one point, I

732
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.000
don't know if this is immediate, but at one point

733
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.519
they try to get his cell phone. Yeah, and that

734
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:18.480
sequence is so is so wild because as they pull

735
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.360
the cell phone, you realize that the cell phones, and

736
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.679
Tenna is hooked through an ear ring in his ear,

737
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.760
which is not attached to his body, like the ear

738
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.960
is just attached to the cell phone, which just raises

739
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.320
more questions than answers. But also we hear things like

740
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.360
after they see his body, you know, Frank is just

741
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.559
like Jesus Christ, like, you know, they must have taken

742
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:43.880
an axe to him, and Richard is saying, you know,

743
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.840
more like a chainsaw. Yeah, So all we know is

744
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.159
that he is just ripped to shreds. We don't see

745
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.199
much beyond like a hand or maybe that might have

746
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.480
been Richard that we see a hand off screen or

747
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.840
coming in off screen. So it's very very playing with

748
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:08.440
our our our expectations off screen. It's it's it works

749
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:13.320
really well because this movie is not very thick on plot.

750
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.239
It's very thick on characterization. It's very thick on atmosphere,

751
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:23.199
and it's very thick on just ooky. I mean, you

752
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.920
just you feel unsettled when you watch it, because it's

753
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.559
it's pretty creepy. It is, and it's consistently creepy, you know,

754
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.239
when when even when they were going through the Ranger

755
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:34.880
station or whatever you want to call it, because it

756
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.320
was just some kind of cabin. It's full of taxidermy

757
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.880
and old traps and nothing else. The road just really

758
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:47.000
feels like it it never ends and it's all the same,

759
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.800
which I think really has an effect on your brain.

760
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.599
And it's feel foggy. Yeah, and it's.

761
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.679
Very foggy, which is smart because it helps make it

762
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:58.719
feel like makes it look like it might be colder.

763
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:05.440
Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, they find they find Brad and

764
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:11.360
that that also just totally wrecks Marian. Uh and she

765
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:20.079
absolutely breaks down and I mean just goes into hysterics.

766
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.199
Well that's after she uses the phone, right.

767
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.920
Well, no, they lead her off when they're trying to

768
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.320
get the phone. They like kind of lead her off

769
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.719
so that she can sit in the car. But yeah,

770
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.000
then the mom oh yea, yeah the phone them uses

771
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.400
the phone, So she gets the phone. She's the only

772
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:45.880
one who's like not squeamish about using the really gross, bloody,

773
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:46.880
disgusting she gets.

774
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.800
She gets Richer to grab the phone, which is my

775
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.599
favorite because as he's he's takes the phone, he pulls

776
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.079
the ear off of it. She takes the phone and

777
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.920
then she goes put that down it's dirty, and he

778
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.679
throws the ear down, which which is just the family.

779
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.119
The family dynamics work very very well in this. And

780
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.880
as Laura goes to call nine one one on the phone,

781
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.039
that's not exactly what she gets, but what she does

782
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.320
get is something much scarier. We'll talk about it after this.

783
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.599
So Laura the mom, she dials nine one one, and

784
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:43.800
instead of getting what you would normally anticipate with a

785
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.840
like bad connection, it's not just a crackly, you know

786
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.920
connection over the cell phone. They're getting like straight up

787
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:59.199
like demonic voices and uh, you know, like real hateful,

788
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:04.519
like evil stuff. As she's trying to as she's trying

789
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.760
to ask for help over nine to one one, and

790
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.000
she's you know, she's asking as anyone there can like

791
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.119
anyone hear me, and it's it's just evil voices. So

792
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.920
she kind of throws the phone down, like Okay, let's

793
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.000
not do that anymore.

794
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.199
Because she hears a woman begging for help.

795
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:31.719
Yeah, And then she gets to talking with her husband

796
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.599
and with Richard about what they should do about Brad.

797
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.440
So they decide to take his body off the side

798
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.039
of the road because they just can't bear the idea

799
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.360
of just leaving what's left of him there, and that's

800
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.440
that's when marian that's when Marian like really starts to

801
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.480
freak out because she comes out from the car and

802
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.960
she sees them dragging him away, and she just starts

803
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:05.159
screaming and you know, throwing her fists, and her mom

804
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.199
freaks out and grabs her by the shoulders and starts

805
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.679
slapping her in the face, telling her to get it

806
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.960
all together. And then the dad grabs the mom and

807
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.320
like pulls her away, and it kind of almost in

808
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.599
a real sad wave, reminds you of like the Three

809
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:26.440
Stooges kind of slapstick where somebody's freaking out in hysterics

810
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.559
and they're taking turns slapping them.

811
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.559
I mean, that was a trope and a lot of

812
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.079
stuff to slap people when they're hysterical. Well, and the mother, Laura,

813
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.119
she's heard this woman screaming and begging for help on

814
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.920
the phone and has told nobody. She's kept that to

815
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:48.000
herself for whatever reason, she has decided probably not to

816
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:48.800
scare anybody.

817
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:49.920
M hm.

818
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:54.880
So she's way on edge, way on edge. And they

819
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:57.480
get back in the car and they keep on rolling,

820
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:03.159
and that's a regular occurrence in this film that you

821
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.159
know that kind of bookends every big incident is then

822
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.800
they get back in the car and they keep on

823
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.920
trucking yep and hoping that, you know, maybe next time

824
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:14.800
it won't be so bad.

825
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.880
Maybe the next sleep book be The Leap Home.

826
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:20.760
Well, I mean, I do love me some quantum leap.

827
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.440
But as they're driving along, you know, on a dark

828
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:31.000
road in the middle of the night, in the cold

829
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:36.840
they as often happens in dark car rides at night,

830
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:44.639
some truth comes out and Frank kind of admits that

831
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.519
he doesn't like Laura's family very much. He doesn't really

832
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.519
enjoy spending a lot of time with them. We've had

833
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.400
references about the gun nut brother and her parents being

834
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:02.000
really snobby and annoying. So this pisses Laura off quite

835
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:05.039
a bit. And this is another element of the movie

836
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.199
that I think works really well. We get a ton

837
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:14.159
of realistic family strife, and whenever it starts to come

838
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.760
to a head, whenever it starts to really click, then

839
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:23.159
the horror comes right back. So as they're going into

840
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:27.079
it and Laura's tearing into Frank about insulting her family,

841
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.840
that's when they notice there's a friggin baby carriage in

842
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.920
the middle of the road, a black baby carriage from

843
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:41.320
friggin nineteen forty looking baby carriage and antique baby carriage

844
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:45.719
just sitting in the middle there of the damn road,

845
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.159
and of course they stop. Richard decides to go take

846
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.000
a look. They all get out of the car, but

847
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.880
Richard decides to go take a look and decides when

848
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:01.719
he looks inside of the what's it called a Yeah,

849
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.480
he decides to start screaming and make it seem like

850
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.840
something in it is grabbing him. And then he laughs

851
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:15.519
it off, and because what a dick, Like literally, somebody died, yeah, horribly,

852
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.599
and you saw his corpse not just.

853
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.920
A stranger either, like someone who was going to be

854
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.679
part of your family potentially.

855
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.280
Yeah, okay, maybe when you put it that way, it

856
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:30.199
is kind of funny, but so, you know, he's he

857
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.320
can't help but make with the jokes, I guess. So

858
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.159
they decide they're going to move this bacinet thing out

859
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:40.920
of the road and keep on driving, but Richard gets

860
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:46.719
abducted by the hearse. So and and please please.

861
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:50.400
Oh sorry, I was I was reading the sorry, I

862
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:55.159
was reading my notes. And before before the sun gets

863
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.519
abducted by the hearse, there's one of my favorite scenes,

864
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:04.360
which is when after they've after they've found the bassinette,

865
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:10.559
and the dad and the mom are outside of the car.

866
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:14.360
The dad's getting that bottle of booze and gifting himself

867
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:21.039
and gifting himself some holiday cheer. That's when. That's when

868
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.480
Richard is in the back seat alone with Marian while

869
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.440
she's just staring dead eyed off into the distance, and

870
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:37.000
he starts like actually getting vulnerable with her. And this

871
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:41.119
is one of my favorites because it's it's too easy,

872
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.239
especially with Richard's character, but with any of these characters,

873
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.679
it would be too easy to write them off as

874
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:53.719
being like cheesy stereotypes but every dim yeah, like one dimensional.

875
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.639
But this is one of those scenes, and there's several

876
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.719
of them that adds so much depth to the characters.

877
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.079
And you know, Richard admits to Marian that she's like

878
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.000
the smartest person he knows and he wants her back,

879
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:13.000
and he you know, he knows that she would be

880
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:16.639
able to get them out of this situation. And I

881
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:21.639
just really like that because we get to see a

882
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.960
side of Richard that we didn't know was there. And then,

883
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.840
on the other hand, when he doesn't get a response

884
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.559
from her. When he's like bearing his heart and soul

885
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:39.079
to her, he goes back to being even more Richard

886
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.360
because then to try and like get any kind of

887
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.559
reaction out of her, you know, and even a bad

888
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:49.639
reaction is still a reaction. He admits that when they

889
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.360
were little kids, he was the one who microwaved her hamster,

890
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.119
and he he was the one who killed the hamster,

891
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.719
and she still doesn't react, and that, you know, upsets

892
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.280
him even more. So I don't know, I just wanted

893
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.039
to bring attention to that scene because it, you know,

894
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.000
really it's really touching, and it kind of shows how

895
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.679
multi fascinated or multifaceted these characters are.

896
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.960
No, I agree, it gives him more depth just in

897
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.599
time to take him away so that you care. No,

898
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.719
But I mean, yeah, care no, it works, It works

899
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:26.880
incredibly well. And yeah, I mean it's a phenomenal scene,

900
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:34.159
very understated scene that works very well. And when they

901
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.480
go to save Richard, Frank notices the woman in white

902
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:54.840
yet again. So as they've been driving around, we had

903
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.360
a few little like creepy things happen, including the radio station,

904
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.719
which was pretty pretty creepy. But I think my favorite

905
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.719
part of that and The reason I'm bringing it up

906
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:11.239
is the way that Frank tries to rationalize everything. Yeah,

907
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:15.800
but you know what it's not. It's not destructive. I

908
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:18.320
mean it's it is constructive to try to make sense

909
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.119
of what's going on. So, you know, when they're hearing

910
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.400
like a radio station that basically sounds like the bowels

911
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.480
of Hell with screaming and stuff, He's like, sounds like

912
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.519
public radio, you know, like some experimental thing or whatever,

913
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:35.800
and Laura is just kind of like, what.

914
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.639
Yeah, uh, it doesn't make any sense.

915
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.039
And the tire blows out. We end up seeing Richard

916
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.639
taken away after we witness the The Woman in White.

917
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.960
They chase after him because now the movie's starting to

918
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:59.239
really book it. Yeah, and further along the road they

919
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:00.960
find richard body.

920
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.039
A little abruptly, yes.

921
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.119
And he has been burned to a crisp. He has

922
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:14.639
been immolated, Yeah, totally. And after finding Richard's body, that

923
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.960
is when Laura starts to lose it. The mom starts

924
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.280
to become very, very off, and this is some of

925
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.000
the most memorable moments of the film because when she's

926
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:31.320
playing crazy, Lynn Shay is just fascinating to watch as

927
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.400
she's just kind of like looking around like a little

928
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.840
curious child, and I mean there are all these seeds.

929
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.039
Like there's a part where she's just shoveling a pie

930
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.440
directly into her gob hole and then asking if anybody

931
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.480
wants any as she's been like not even slicing it yet,

932
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:49.079
she's just pulling the it was chocolate pumpkin pie because

933
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.239
earlier in the movie that was what they were she

934
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.679
was telling him to drive carefully about was because the

935
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:58.840
pumpkin pie almost got ruined. So she is starting to

936
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.480
to really lose it. And before that, she was already

937
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:04.440
losing it because she was pointing out there have been

938
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:08.920
no landmarks, there have been no crossroads, there have been

939
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:13.039
no sign of anything. It's just been empty road this

940
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:16.920
whole damn time. And on top of that, on top

941
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:23.719
of all of it, my brain just went, like, on

942
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:28.119
top of all of that, you know, they should have

943
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:32.880
seen something. They've been driving yet eighty miles and just

944
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.480
at that moment though they see a sign. Yeah, one sign,

945
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:43.000
the first sign this whole time, and it says Marcott, Yeah,

946
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:47.000
with an arrow, that's it. An arrow, And it says Marcot.

947
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.719
They look at the map. There's no markot on the map,

948
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.480
but the road doesn't even seem to really be on

949
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.239
the map. And earlier I believe Frank had made the

950
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.760
plan of like, since the north Star is, you know,

951
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:04.719
over there, we just keep going this way because this

952
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:09.079
is west, and we have to reach the ocean. Eventually

953
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.599
we'll just reach the ocean because we're going west. So

954
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:14.920
that's when he starts to devise. Okay, Marcott must be

955
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.159
like a military military base. That's why it's not on

956
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.199
the map. So we must be on a military road,

957
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:24.639
one of those private military roads, and that's why we

958
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.039
don't see anything. We haven't seen anybody, and it's not

959
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.880
on our map or anything. And all of that makes

960
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.880
some degree of sense, I mean, like in the realm

961
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:41.159
of bizarre things happening, aside from the other things happening,

962
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.320
which it's a little harder to make that make sense.

963
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.079
But that's that's what they're going with. And Marian is

964
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.719
starting to come back to reality and is starting to

965
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:59.880
be Frank's confidant now that Laura has pretty much checked out. Yeah. Well,

966
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.840
as they're trying to figure out what they're going to do,

967
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:11.119
there are a lot of great moments. The shotgun pretty great.

968
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:14.960
They reveal that there was a shotgun was a gift

969
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:20.760
for uncle, Uncle, and it comes into play.

970
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:25.840
Yeah, well, and I love too, because this is when

971
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:30.599
we start that that drama and the history between the

972
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:33.360
family that I had alluded to. This is when we

973
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.199
really start digging all of that up. Because when Laura

974
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:43.920
is going into hysterics initially after they find Richard's body,

975
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:48.960
she's kind of screaming and wailing, and she's convinced herself

976
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.880
that he'll wake up any minute now, this is just

977
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.519
one of his pranks, which we as the audience, we

978
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.079
know that Richard is prone to pranks, but it is

979
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:00.320
very clear that this is not just one of his franks.

980
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:01.960
He is not going to just wake.

981
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:02.800
Up, no, but.

982
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:10.320
He's a corpse. But she starts crying about how this

983
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.920
is like that time when they went on vacation with

984
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:17.000
his father, and Frank's.

985
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.599
Most of this time, we went on vacation, yeah, and

986
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:24.800
and and yeah, yeah, sorry yeah, because he doesn't say

987
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.360
his father yet. She just says when we went in on.

988
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.079
Vacation, and Frank's like, what, we never went there, and

989
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.519
that's when she says, no, we went with his father,

990
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.239
his real father, real father, And that's when we realize, Oh,

991
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:41.760
whether she's being truthful or not, we're not entirely certain.

992
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.599
But she's revealing to everyone that she had an affair

993
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.199
and Richard is the product of that affair. And she

994
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.639
even names her affair partner. His name was Alan, and

995
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.519
she keeps she keeps alluding to this as she's going

996
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.679
like goo goo gaga crazy.

997
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.039
Well, yeah, and because she's it's becoming clear that there's

998
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.119
some kind of special flame burning for this Alan guy,

999
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.519
who we later find out Frank mentions Alan was a

1000
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.039
friend of his who stopped coming around years and years

1001
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:22.719
and years ago. And she is just do you know,

1002
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.840
still doting over the son Richard, who I forget what

1003
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.760
his original she xcept saying like, no, he's supposed to

1004
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.239
be I forget. Yes, yeah, but she's like, no, that

1005
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:35.960
was that was the name Richard, or that was the

1006
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.519
name that Alan wanted him to be, So that's his

1007
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.960
real name. And she's just pushing this and pushing this,

1008
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:47.280
and to Frank's credit, he is really not freaking out. No,

1009
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.199
which I mean they've been married like what thirty years? Yeah,

1010
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:57.000
something he must have known or had suspicions of some sort,

1011
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:01.559
you know, like he must have heard that. Okay, a

1012
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.679
lot of that makes sense, like that track what am

1013
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:05.440
I going to do? You know, scream and yell like

1014
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.159
we're in the middle of like people disappearing and showing

1015
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:12.880
up mutilated, burned, alive and shit. Yeah, so you know

1016
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.519
what am I? What am I going to do? So well?

1017
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.800
And I also love that there's several instances where he

1018
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:22.880
makes it very clear that this new information does not

1019
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:27.440
change the fact that he is Richard's father. Yeah, And

1020
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:34.599
I think that's again another little, very emotionally deep part

1021
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:38.039
of the movie that makes it so long lasting to

1022
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:44.519
me is as much as Richard and Lauren nagg at

1023
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.280
each other, he still got her back, and he like

1024
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.719
still cares for his children, even if he's deeply annoyed

1025
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:52.760
by them sometimes.

1026
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.199
Oh, Frank is like a really good example of a

1027
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.800
patriarch in a family overall, although he starts to go

1028
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.280
down hell, I mean everybody does in a little bit,

1029
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:09.480
and we'll get to that. But man, so now that

1030
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:14.199
Laura's gone completely bonkers keeps talking about the real father

1031
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:20.400
of Richard, things are getting really extra tense and they're

1032
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.039
not getting any better. But we'll talk about that after this.

1033
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:45.960
So we mentioned Laura going bananas and pumpkins, and she

1034
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:53.920
is like absolutely shoveling a chocolate pumpkin pie into her face,

1035
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.400
which I've never heard of a chocolate pumpkin pie before,

1036
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.280
but I really want to try. I mean, she makes

1037
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.800
it look not great.

1038
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:07.280
It looks like a pumpkin pie with chocolate sauce on

1039
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:08.559
top her or something like that.

1040
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:13.440
Yeah, but she's she I love that because Lynn Shay's

1041
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:19.439
you had mentioned it. Lynn Shay's insanity is delightful and

1042
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:25.960
terrifying at the same time, because there is so much

1043
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.720
not there and her just eating this this pie gleefully

1044
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.920
with her bare hands is a great example. Like she's

1045
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.359
a little like five year old. And then she starts

1046
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:42.439
shoveling chips into her face and uh, Marian says like,

1047
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.920
you need to slow down, You're gonna make yourself sick,

1048
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:47.560
and then smash cut.

1049
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:52.439
Though she says she says, no, I won't yeh esus ralphing.

1050
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.640
She's just yeah, on the side of the road, pukin

1051
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.800
her guts out because she did indeed make herself sick.

1052
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:05.600
But that's when Frank and Marian get to have a

1053
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:12.079
little bit of their own heart to heart and they

1054
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:18.279
are kind of sitting there talking about what Lauren had said,

1055
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:22.800
what she had said about her having an affair, only

1056
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.439
him having an affair. There was there was all sorts of

1057
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.680
accusations we call.

1058
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.560
It accusations that I that's why I understand why you

1059
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:31.279
like you two.

1060
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:39.279
And as there as they're talking about it, Lauren comes

1061
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:44.279
out from behind the car and she's just got the

1062
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:50.880
shotgun and very gleefully points it and right points it

1063
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.640
right it. They're in their direction, and you know, starts

1064
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.039
joking around that she she could end this right now,

1065
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.840
but she's super like she's not being confrontational.

1066
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.600
Well, she tells them it's a toy. It's just a toy,

1067
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:05.600
because then she puts the barrel in her mouth and

1068
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.239
then takes it out as a joke. Yeah, and then

1069
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:10.479
all of a sudden gets very very serious when she

1070
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:11.199
points it again.

1071
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:19.680
Yeah, which it you start to become more and more afraid,

1072
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.680
not just because of the ghosts, but because you realize

1073
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:31.039
that she's so broken and unhinged, that she's just as

1074
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.520
dangerous as all the weird stuff that's been going on

1075
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:41.239
up until this point. So they they try to take

1076
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:47.039
the shotgun away, and she just shoots Frank in the

1077
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.079
leg and he topples over.

1078
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.439
Well, and at first we don't see where she shot him,

1079
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:53.960
so it looks like she just freaking killed him. Yeah,

1080
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.399
and then luckily he's just screaming. And again another part

1081
01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:59.680
where they play up a lot of the gallows humor

1082
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.600
because then he's on the ground, Ah my leg, Like,

1083
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.000
why'd you shoot me on the leg?

1084
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:12.079
So uh, Maryan dresses his wound, and she tries to

1085
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.279
take the car keys, but he insists that he can drive,

1086
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:19.840
and so he's driving. She's in the front seat. Mom's

1087
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.760
in the back seat, and then he just takes the

1088
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.359
bottle of whiskey and just starts drinking because like, hey,

1089
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.079
he's got a dull the pain somehow, I.

1090
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.159
Said, you know of a better pain killer.

1091
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.199
Which fair point, I mean. And it's not like there's

1092
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.319
any traffic around. He's not going to hit anybody.

1093
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:41.399
Uh sure, I wouldn't predict anything, not on this stretch

1094
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:41.800
of road.

1095
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.520
It's it's all up for grabs.

1096
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:48.920
Yes, yes, so Marian.

1097
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.039
As he's driving along, Marian kind of dozes off, and

1098
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:56.359
then when she wakes up, he shows her the map

1099
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.840
and that's when he starts explaining to her about the

1100
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.199
North Star, and he's got this theory that Marcutt must

1101
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.760
be a military town or most naval base.

1102
01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:09.840
Yeah. Well, first he had said a military that was

1103
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:14.199
that was his first thought when he saw Marcott twice was.

1104
01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:15.720
But now he's like, it has to be a naval

1105
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.119
base because we're heading toward the ocean, so Marcutt must

1106
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:21.159
be right on the seat, must be there.

1107
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.079
And that's when he it's it's around this point that

1108
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:32.399
he also starts talking about that this story reminds him

1109
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.840
of stories he heard when he was a kid about

1110
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:45.720
people lost on abandoned roads, and he starts talking about,

1111
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.439
you know, how how people would get lost, how people

1112
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:54.439
would die on these roads, and we start to see

1113
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:59.840
that he's they're both really starting to accept that some

1114
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.479
things strange is going on, because he's been more than

1115
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.920
willing to kind of explain away and justify every little

1116
01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:12.319
thing that's happened, and every weird thing that's happened, he's

1117
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.640
got an explanation for, yeah, or at least trying at

1118
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:18.640
least trying to. But this is the first point where

1119
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:24.199
he's like, you know, actually, maybe this could have some

1120
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:34.239
other supernatural origin. And that's when as they're talking about

1121
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:37.640
that as they're discussing like where they could be and

1122
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.920
that this is all way too weird. This reminds him

1123
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:46.439
of the ghost stories from his childhood. Laura starts talking

1124
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.439
about the people that she can see in the woods,

1125
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:53.840
and she says that she can even see one of

1126
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.239
her friends in the woods. And she starts waving and

1127
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.960
like asking if they can stop so that she can

1128
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:02.680
go see her friend. And Marian asks, well, who's this person,

1129
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:06.199
and Frank says, oh, well, that's her friend, but she's

1130
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:07.359
been dead for twenty years.

1131
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:09.840
Well he says it like she's been dead for twenty years.

1132
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:12.520
You mean, he's very dismissive. He's not he's not willing

1133
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.720
to play with the idea that maybe there's ghosts going on.

1134
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.439
That's you know, not not what's up.

1135
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:23.399
And Lauren even Lauren even or Laura even asks that

1136
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:27.600
if the dead are alive, maybe they should pull over

1137
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:33.000
the car and check Richard in the back because maybe

1138
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:38.319
things have maybe things have changed for him, and they're

1139
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.159
just like, no, no, we've got to keep driving, just

1140
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.920
stay put. So she just opens up the car door

1141
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:45.479
and just leaps out.

1142
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.960
Yeah, yep, she I mean, it's a it's again the

1143
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:54.319
comical elements do play a role and why this film

1144
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:59.079
is so rewatchable. So she jumps out of the car

1145
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.239
and they obviously slam on the brakes to get to her,

1146
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.720
and I'm pretty sure at that point the hearse is back. Yeah,

1147
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:11.159
but Frank wards it off with the shotgun. He's like

1148
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:16.520
chasing off with the shotgun, but the shotgun doesn't exactly go.

1149
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.199
It doesn't work out the way he hoped, as we'll

1150
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:22.239
explain after this.

1151
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:41.039
So Frank fires the shotgun at the black hearse and

1152
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:46.520
it comes to a slow halt and then it just retreats,

1153
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:51.760
and that's the first time that the hearse has kind

1154
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:55.960
of bucks the pattern. So they're feeling kind of like

1155
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.439
they're feeling kind of good about it that Frank actually

1156
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:05.399
defended them. And then they feel even better because Mom

1157
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.800
comes out from the woods and she looks a little disheveled,

1158
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:16.720
but she's alive. She's walking. Uh, it could be worse.

1159
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:24.199
And Frank embraces her and he's honestly very relieved to

1160
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:29.520
see her. And as he's holding her, that's when he realizes,

1161
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.720
like her something on the back of her head is

1162
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:34.560
kind of sticky, and he touches the back of her

1163
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:40.399
head and realizes that she doesn't have a back of

1164
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:47.239
her skull. No, her brain is like totally exposed. And

1165
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:52.560
he's disturbed and he kind of points it out, like

1166
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:58.119
something's something's wrong with your head. And Laura, she touches

1167
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:02.520
the back of her head and then like starts touching

1168
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.479
her brain like she's masturbating.

1169
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.840
I mean, you you're the one who made it dirty.

1170
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:11.319
I was thinking, like when you have an itch, you

1171
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:13.520
know that that's like really good, but you know it's

1172
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:14.239
like going to break.

1173
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:19.319
The skin, Yeah, like something something like that. Uh So, yeah,

1174
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:24.279
she she touches herself and then just keels over and dies.

1175
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.039
But when she dies, the person's name that she says

1176
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:35.880
is Alan her a fair partner, and that totally crushes Frank. Yeah,

1177
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:42.319
that is the last of his spirit being conquered. So

1178
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.239
he goes off and he grabs the shotgun and he

1179
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.600
puts it, puts it to his head, but Marian leaps

1180
01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:54.079
over and she grabs it and she stops him. And

1181
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:58.680
the way she gets him to kind of come back

1182
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:05.119
down to reality is that she's having a baby and

1183
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:10.039
he can't leave her alone, and that activates something in

1184
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:13.720
Frank where he's like, no, you're right, we do have

1185
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:18.239
to keep going, just even if it is just for

1186
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:19.119
the baby.

1187
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:21.439
I mean, activates the father in him. Yeah.

1188
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:25.960
Yeah. So they get back in the car and as

1189
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:27.199
they're driving, well.

1190
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:29.720
I think it isn't at this point they'd mentioned that, like,

1191
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.800
maybe we just need to stay in the car because

1192
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:36.119
only bad things happen when we stop. I feel like.

1193
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:39.359
That that was en Yeah, it was shortly before this,

1194
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.000
because at first they're saying like, we should stay in

1195
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:47.439
the car, only bad things happen when we get out

1196
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:55.640
of the car. But then shortly after this they start thinking, oh, well,

1197
01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:59.039
only bad things happen when we're on the road, so

1198
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:03.960
maybe the fastest way to Marcott is going through the woods.

1199
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:07.359
Well they don't think that. Frank thinks that. Marian thinks

1200
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:10.199
that is freaking the dumbest thing ever, scariest thing ever

1201
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:11.920
to ye to get off the road and walk through

1202
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:12.520
the woods.

1203
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:13.800
Why would you do that?

1204
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:17.640
Yeah? No, that that Yeah, I just remember that was

1205
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:20.760
a big moment because when you're watching this movie for

1206
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:24.760
the first time, you're not it's hard. This is one

1207
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.000
of those movies that's hard to watch it and pretend

1208
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.920
you don't know how it ends once you know, yeah,

1209
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.479
it really is, it's very hard and and when we

1210
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.680
do reveal and talk about how the movie ends, at

1211
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.119
the time this movie was made, that was not a

1212
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.640
cliche ending. That was still a pretty pretty surprising ending.

1213
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.680
So when I was watching it for the first time,

1214
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:50.239
I remember like, sincerely hoping they could get off the

1215
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:54.399
stretch of road or find something. I didn't you know,

1216
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.000
one hundred percent believe you know that Marcott was a

1217
01:19:57.039 --> 01:19:59.560
military installation or something, but I was like, what the

1218
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.880
hell is going going on? Like, where are they going?

1219
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:03.000
How do they get out of here?

1220
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:04.399
Yeah?

1221
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:04.560
No.

1222
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:08.960
And that's one of the reasons I like this movie

1223
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:13.520
is because even though once you've seen it, you know,

1224
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:16.119
I mean, you know the twist, you know what's going on,

1225
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.119
But every single time I've watched it, because I think

1226
01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:22.800
this was either the second or third time we watched

1227
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:27.039
it together, every single time you watch it, even if

1228
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.520
you know how it's going to end, you're still hoping

1229
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:37.479
for a different ending. You're still like, there's there's still

1230
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:41.920
that feeling of like it could be different if only

1231
01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:45.560
they would just choose different like different actions, And it's

1232
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:50.600
that's kind of kind of at the heart of these

1233
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:56.960
lost on the Haunted Road kind of stories thematically is

1234
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:01.000
that feeling of you know, repetition, of like can we

1235
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:06.239
break the pattern by making other choices. It's and it's

1236
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:12.479
explored more in wind Chill, but it is still explored

1237
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.960
in Dead End of this idea of kind of like

1238
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:20.720
going through uh where hell or purgatory is going through

1239
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:22.520
the same thing over and over and over.

1240
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:28.359
They're a few pretty good haunted road movies. Man, I've

1241
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:33.479
always enjoyed them, the concept of a haunted road. But

1242
01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:36.920
they're they're they're getting tired of this crap and they're

1243
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:41.840
thinking about maybe it's time to abandon the road after this.

1244
01:21:55.920 --> 01:22:00.079
So they haven't come to the to the coast, they

1245
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.279
haven't come to any kind of signs of civilization. And

1246
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:09.279
Frank finally starts insisting that they should ditch the car

1247
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.880
and just walk straight through the woods because that will

1248
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:19.159
get them to Marcott or anywhere faster, faster than they

1249
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:26.119
would otherwise. And it's spooky, it's scary in the woods.

1250
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:31.640
At some point, Frank even like walks into barbed wire

1251
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.319
because it's so dark they can't even see in front

1252
01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:40.960
of them, and they see a light in the distance,

1253
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.479
and that's the first time, honestly since they saw that

1254
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:50.199
little like tiny cabin shack thing, that they've seen any

1255
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.720
signs of other human life. So they start booking it

1256
01:22:55.039 --> 01:22:55.720
toward the lights.

1257
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:58.680
Well, because when they hit the when they hit the

1258
01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.680
barbed wire fence was a fence, yeah, which that would

1259
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:03.800
be a sign that there are people at least have

1260
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:07.359
been there. So they crossed through the fence, they see

1261
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:11.399
that light and they chase after it. Yeah, and it's

1262
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:12.760
a pretty solid reveal.

1263
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:19.159
So they chase after the light and burst through the

1264
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:24.039
undergrowth of the trees and it's their car.

1265
01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:25.720
Yeah, it was their headlights.

1266
01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:30.199
It was their headlights. And they instantly start arguing about

1267
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.039
it because Marion says like, well, we must have gotten

1268
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:39.000
turned around obviously, like we've just gone in big circles,

1269
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.720
and Frank points out like, well, if we got turned around,

1270
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:44.840
then we came from the wrong direction.

1271
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.000
Yeah, the why didn't we come from the other side.

1272
01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:49.880
We went in that way and came out that way? Yeah,

1273
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:53.039
And also the car is locked, wi are the headlights on?

1274
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:56.399
And that's when he suspects that Laura is still alive,

1275
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.479
So he unlocks the car to check and she is

1276
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:05.119
very much dead, which is a very chilling moment because

1277
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:08.359
he uncovers her and you just see her there, you know, cold,

1278
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:09.399
lifeless and gray.

1279
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:14.399
Yeah. Ah, but it does not explain why the lights

1280
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:20.239
were on. So now they're abandoning the idea of walking

1281
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:24.880
through the woods because it's clear that's not getting them further.

1282
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:27.960
So they get back in the car and they start

1283
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:31.359
driving some more like any good road trip. Of course,

1284
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:37.960
there's more and more driving, and this time it's Marian driving.

1285
01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:42.319
Frank kind of finally acquiesces to her. She looks over

1286
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.760
and she realizes that he's writing something on a piece

1287
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:52.159
of paper, and she asks him, what are you writing?

1288
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.479
And he kind of jokes around with her at first,

1289
01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:58.159
like he doesn't want to reveal it, and then he

1290
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:00.800
tells her, well, I'm writing a list of what I

1291
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.840
want to do when this is over. And so they

1292
01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:08.399
start talking, kind of joking around about what he should

1293
01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:10.760
do when this is all over, and they talk about

1294
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.399
getting him a game system, and he says he wants

1295
01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:18.680
an atari, and Marian says, well, I think a PlayStation

1296
01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:21.920
is kind of more the thing nowadays, and he's like,

1297
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:25.119
well's a PlayStation. She's like oh no, I think an

1298
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:26.239
Atari is good for you.

1299
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:27.800
Atari's cooler anyway.

1300
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:29.079
Atari's cooler anyway.

1301
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:32.119
Well, what I And another great moment of levity too,

1302
01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:34.199
because he says, I'm writing what I'm going to do

1303
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.600
when I get out of here, and when she kind

1304
01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:40.960
of conjoles him to show it, show her, for her

1305
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:43.920
to for him to show her the paper, he's literally

1306
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:45.960
wrote what I'm going to do when I get out

1307
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.720
of here as the heading, which I thought was really funny.

1308
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:49.159
It's great.

1309
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:53.439
So he hasn't written any specifics yet, but as he's

1310
01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:57.279
writing the next thing, he gets a lot more dour

1311
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:00.720
and she's like, what are you writing? And he's just like,

1312
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:02.119
none of your damn business.

1313
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:06.760
Yeah, kind of really brushes her off. It's really guarded.

1314
01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:12.720
He got very very guarded. So we don't really know

1315
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:16.239
what all that's about. But they come back to the cabin,

1316
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:25.039
the cabin ranger, it's definitely the same one as last time,

1317
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:30.760
and they go in trying to find anything to help themselves.

1318
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.279
They turn on you know, they kind of flip a switch,

1319
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:39.600
but the bulbs blow and so Marian goes back outside.

1320
01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:43.479
She's trying to find something to get light or get

1321
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.399
a flashlight so that they can see in there, and

1322
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:49.960
Frank kind of lights a match and he's just looking

1323
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.640
around on the inside of the cabin and as he's

1324
01:26:55.520 --> 01:27:01.399
as he's looking around, there's rustling noises, and then it's

1325
01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.520
almost like something jumps him and he drops the match,

1326
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:12.840
but he doesn't get hurt. Marion runs in and he's

1327
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.439
got an axe and he's just kind.

1328
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:17.960
Of yeah, and he says, there's someone in here. There's

1329
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.279
someone in here, and it's it's this is where you

1330
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:25.399
start to really pick up on the futility. It's starting

1331
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.159
to really feel futile, like no matter what they do

1332
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:33.560
or where they go, something is after them and it

1333
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:37.800
takes whatever form is necessary. There's literally no escape. They

1334
01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:41.760
walked in a straight line away from the car and

1335
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.159
didn't even go in a circle. They went right back

1336
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:48.600
to where they came. They got turned around. Yeah, and

1337
01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:56.039
you know, the whole concept of Frank wanting to constructively

1338
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:58.159
write down, like what he's going to do when he

1339
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:05.279
gets out of there, that's a method of trying to survive. Yeah, yeah,

1340
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:10.560
having things to look forward to. But think about that reality.

1341
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:14.800
I mean, his wife is gone, his son is gone.

1342
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:19.079
He really only has his daughter and his grand baby

1343
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:23.039
future grand baby. That's it. So it's got to be

1344
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.359
weighing on him heavily. Yeah, and on top of that,

1345
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:31.279
the fear of losing the one last person in the

1346
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:32.199
world he has.

1347
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:36.439
Yeah, that's it's a lot of pressure on his shoulders.

1348
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:44.760
And no wonder why he starts breaking down and going

1349
01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:52.520
into his own hysterics because he's being crushed by the

1350
01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:58.640
futility of the situation and to try and lighten things up.

1351
01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.680
As Marian's leading him back to the car, like trying

1352
01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:08.720
to collect themselves and especially trying to like collect him,

1353
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.640
he kind of jokes around and asks where his bottle

1354
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:15.399
of whiskey is, and she reminds him that she she

1355
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.039
threw it away. She threw it out the car because

1356
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:21.399
it wasn't doing anyone any favors, and he gets really

1357
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.359
enraged and he actually slaps her like really hard.

1358
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.680
Yeah, yeah, I know, he hits her real hard, and

1359
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.319
he's just like a different person, Like, you know, he

1360
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:34.920
says this whole thing about like, uh, don't you ever

1361
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:36.520
ever get in the way of me and my liquor.

1362
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:41.399
Yeah, it's very yeah, any pocket because because there's the

1363
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:45.279
one slap and she like she looks like she doesn't

1364
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.479
even know what to think. Yeah, uh, not even stunned,

1365
01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:52.720
like physically, but like emotionally stunned, Like did that even

1366
01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:56.399
really just happen? Like it doesn't even compute. It's like

1367
01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:59.439
if you told someone like one plus one equals purple.

1368
01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:03.159
It's like doesn't even register. And then it slaps her

1369
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:05.960
as he slaps her a second time, and this time

1370
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:09.239
it like does register on her face what just happened,

1371
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:14.119
but like there's this resignation of she's not going to retaliate.

1372
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.600
And then he punches her full on dex or and

1373
01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:25.359
not which guff because that is so we don't know

1374
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:28.640
Frank well, but we do know that's not characteristic of him,

1375
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:32.000
Like he cares deeply for his family. At no point

1376
01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:37.119
did he get physically violent with anyone else. Uh, So

1377
01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:39.880
we know that this this was not this is not

1378
01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:44.079
Frank's character. This is him lashing out because he is cornered.

1379
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.560
Yeah, and because there's a lot of desperation going on

1380
01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:51.399
here and a lot of mysteries still to be sorted out,

1381
01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.960
and maybe we'll do just that sorting after this.

1382
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:14.880
After punching her, Frank almost immediately realizes what he's done,

1383
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:20.000
and he picks up his daughter and he takes her

1384
01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:24.880
back to the car. He starts crying because he hurt

1385
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:28.399
his daughter. He hurt his little girl, and he realizes

1386
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:33.079
it's on him, and he also there's kind of this

1387
01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:39.319
acceptance that he let his family down. He you know,

1388
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:41.880
he wasn't able to protect them the way he wanted to.

1389
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:45.439
And he's putting Marian in the car, he's trying to

1390
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:48.199
keep her safe, and then he sees the woman in

1391
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:53.600
white in the woods and there's not even a second thought.

1392
01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:57.760
He just grabs the shotgun and follows after her and

1393
01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:03.560
starts firing after her. And he's screaming and threatening her

1394
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.920
as he's following her into the pitch darkness of the woods.

1395
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.960
And he's threatening her because you know, she hurt his family,

1396
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.039
and he's threatening threatening her because you know, all of

1397
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:17.920
the bad stuff that's happening. He follows her into the

1398
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:22.199
darkness and then there's a slashing noise and then silence.

1399
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.720
Back at the car, Marian wakes up. She comes to

1400
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.880
as a figure is circling around the car. We can

1401
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.279
kind of see their shadow through the windows.

1402
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:35.359
Uh.

1403
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:39.119
We hear someone say he's dead, and then the shadow

1404
01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:45.880
looms like directly above her in the window. She kind

1405
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.000
of clamors around the car. She gets into the driver's

1406
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:53.039
seat and starts it, and she speeds off as fast

1407
01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:57.199
as she can, but almost immediately the car runs out

1408
01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:01.319
of gas and just chugs to a halt. And she's

1409
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:06.199
weeping because that was her only chance to get out

1410
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.800
and it's just totally gone. She gets out of the

1411
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:13.840
car and she slowly starts walking down the road and

1412
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:18.920
she looks down at the road and she sees a

1413
01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:21.800
pen and I think it was the pen that her

1414
01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:26.680
dad was writing with, but I'm not sure. And she's

1415
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:29.520
kind of staring at the pen a little dumbfounded. And

1416
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:34.640
then some red drips on her from the sky, and

1417
01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:39.119
then more red, and then she realizes it's blood, and

1418
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:44.399
she looks up and blood just starts pouring and dripping

1419
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:50.680
from the trees, and she screams and runs off. And

1420
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:56.199
as she's running along the road and screaming, she's screaming

1421
01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:59.720
out like to the ghosts, let's end it, just end

1422
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:00.319
it now.

1423
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:02.800
Yeah, she doesn't want the torment anymore. Yeah, because all

1424
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.359
she's doing is losing everyone and everything.

1425
01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:09.439
And it's it's kind of that realization of like that

1426
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:15.319
the hope is the punishment almost for her, because there

1427
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.840
was this constant hope that she'd be able to get

1428
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:21.000
out of this. But the more she clung to hope,

1429
01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:25.880
the more she was punished for hoping. It's just kind

1430
01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:32.359
of Greek tragedy in a way. Yeah, So she's screaming,

1431
01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:35.359
let's send it. She's ready for this to be done.

1432
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:41.439
And as she's walking down the road, she sees four

1433
01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:47.319
body bags just lined up neatly in the road. She

1434
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.119
walks past the first three, and when she gets to

1435
01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:54.880
the fourth one, she opens it up and it's her dad.

1436
01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:01.479
The hurst comes up and it pulls up right next

1437
01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:06.800
to her, and the woman in white appears directly behind her,

1438
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:13.960
and Marian falls over. The woman in white assures her

1439
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:18.760
that he's not here for you, referencing the hearse, and

1440
01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:22.960
the woman in white gets into the back of the

1441
01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.600
hearse and it just drives away. And that's the first

1442
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:31.079
time when we see the Hearse that someone isn't actively

1443
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.920
trying to escape it as it drives away.

1444
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:35.319
Or it was taking people away.

1445
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:37.319
And now the kind of like it's her.

1446
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:41.600
Ride, and we're starting to we're starting to have the

1447
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:45.600
picture put together, we're starting to have the puzzle pieces

1448
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:50.640
fall into place as we're realizing that this is not

1449
01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:57.479
a reality at all. This is a kind of purgatory yeah,

1450
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:02.239
for lack of a better term, maybe or it could

1451
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:09.479
simply be Marian's own mind kind of dealing with the

1452
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:13.720
situation by avoiding the reality of it. And that's where

1453
01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:19.079
it gets really it gets really heavy, because in a moment,

1454
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.079
Marian is about to wake up and the reality of

1455
01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:29.119
the situation is coming, but it may still not be

1456
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:34.399
as entirely cut and dry as you might hope for,

1457
01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:50.479
and we'll talk about that. In a moment, Marian suddenly

1458
01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:55.039
awakens in the hospital. She's got bandages on her and

1459
01:36:55.079 --> 01:37:02.399
she's greeted by a doctor, doctor Marcott. And this is

1460
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:05.720
one of the elements I think that really clicked with

1461
01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:07.600
me because when I saw this film, I didn't get

1462
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:09.199
to see it when it first came out. I didn't

1463
01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:12.159
see it when it was brand new. And we're now

1464
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:16.199
finding out that she was in a coma, her family

1465
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:19.680
was killed in a car accident. The car accident that

1466
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:25.840
from our perspective, they had narrowly avoided. This has happened.

1467
01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:29.960
This twist has been used a lot, but it was

1468
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:33.239
still somewhat novel when this film came out.

1469
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:35.279
Yeah.

1470
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:38.680
In fact, this ending makes the whole film feel kind

1471
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.680
of like an extended Twilight Zone episode.

1472
01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:43.079
I agree here.

1473
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.000
But one of the things that really stuck with me

1474
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.119
and made me appreciate it a lot was the reveal

1475
01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:55.800
of doctor Marcott. So now that's why the sign said Marcott.

1476
01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:59.439
And the way I took that when I watched the

1477
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:03.279
first few time times was that these were things she

1478
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.479
was hearing, Yeah, while she was in her coma, So

1479
01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:09.119
she was hearing doctor Marcott. Although there aren't a lot

1480
01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:11.560
of other examples of that. Of course, there is the Hearse,

1481
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:16.479
and we find out that the motorists who drove by

1482
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:21.520
and found the rack was driving a hearse. Yeah. He

1483
01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:24.960
was a classic car collector and kind of an odd

1484
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:28.159
looking gentleman. I forget that actor's name, but he always

1485
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:33.239
plays kind of gothic characters. Yeah.

1486
01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:35.359
Well, and we find out that the woman in white

1487
01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:40.079
and her baby, they were the other motorists killed in

1488
01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:44.960
the accident at the start of the movie. So that's

1489
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:49.079
why they were constantly showing up is because they were

1490
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:53.800
also involved in the accident, and they passed away along

1491
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:57.520
with Marion's family. She's the sole survivor of the accident,

1492
01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:03.399
you know, So that's why that's why she was constantly

1493
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:05.439
seeing the woman in white. That's why she was, you know,

1494
01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:09.880
constantly seeing her family, but wasn't able to save them.

1495
01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:13.560
And that's why the Hearse and the man in black

1496
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:20.640
appeared so nefarious, is because in reality, you know, in

1497
01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.159
her mind they were the villains, but in reality they

1498
01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:26.680
were just guilty by association.

1499
01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:34.039
Maybe maybe because the way that we that it's revealed

1500
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:36.920
to us that this guy is the one who was

1501
01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:41.880
driving the Hearse is he's chatting with doctor Marcott, mentioning

1502
01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:44.960
how Marian was the only survivor of the crash, how

1503
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:49.520
how nasty it was. As the doctor's going to leave

1504
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:53.279
for the day, her car won't start and he offers

1505
01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:56.119
her a ride, and that's when we see that it's ah,

1506
01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:58.840
the Hearse he's driving, and he kind of mentions that

1507
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.760
he collects cars or what whatever, And I mean that

1508
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:07.319
was the car in Marion's dream, I would call it,

1509
01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:11.560
you know, just oh, it's all the coincidence, not the coincidences,

1510
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:16.600
but the revelation of the reality or whatever. But as

1511
01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:20.880
the credits roll on the movie. There's a little post

1512
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:25.439
or a mid credit sequence where these two road workers

1513
01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:29.359
are complaining about having to work on Christmas Day, which

1514
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.920
I love because one of the workers looks to the

1515
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.279
other and says, I should be at home getting stuffed,

1516
01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:39.119
you know, and the other guy looks at me goes,

1517
01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:42.680
so should They about the people who died in the

1518
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:45.760
car accent And they're just you know, sweeping up debrief

1519
01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:49.479
from the road and one of them finds the note

1520
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:54.239
Frank had written to Marion, things I want to do

1521
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:59.079
when I get out of here. That opens a lot

1522
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:07.680
of question because if all of that was Marion's nightmare

1523
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:14.760
of their circumstance, that note was written after they'd all died,

1524
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:17.960
So where'd the note come from? How did it end

1525
01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:23.199
up there? And that's I think, like the extra coupde

1526
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:29.079
gras that makes the movie really stick and hang in

1527
01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.600
your brain because that's just a cool touch because they

1528
01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:34.479
don't give you any more than that. Yeah, you just

1529
01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:38.359
get that to make you wonder did everything we see

1530
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:44.800
happen because that's physical evidence that it did. Yeah, that's

1531
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:51.520
that's my favorite part, is that ending. My favorite things

1532
01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:54.119
about this movie are the creepy way that ending makes

1533
01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:58.039
me feel, and and because like and it's all done

1534
01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:00.399
in daylight. I mean, they're out in day light, like

1535
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.000
sweeping up. It's the creepy atmosphere has gone, and yet

1536
01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:06.159
it's still freaking you out. Yeah, after you've spent eighty

1537
01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:09.680
minutes in this dark, cold road with this family desperately

1538
01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:15.239
trying to get anywhere and getting nowhere very fast. So

1539
01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:17.239
that's that's my thought. But I mean, do you have

1540
01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:20.920
any any thoughts on what that ending could entail, what

1541
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:23.359
it would mean that they found the note and anything

1542
01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:25.199
and all, what you think about What did you think

1543
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:26.800
about the ending when you first watched it?

1544
01:42:27.359 --> 01:42:31.399
Oh, I absolutely loved the ending because you said that

1545
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.880
it was like a an episode of the Twilight Zone,

1546
01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:38.119
and I absolutely agree. It's just got that feeling of,

1547
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:47.159
you know, the mystery being solved. But the final the

1548
01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.039
mid credit scene, I love that it muddies the water.

1549
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.399
I love that it gives you something to think about

1550
01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:59.239
and chew on, because otherwise I feel like the movie.

1551
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:04.640
I feel like that would almost cheapen the movie to

1552
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:07.039
be like, ah, well, the mystery is solved. It was

1553
01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:10.000
literally all just in her head. But to have that

1554
01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:13.199
one loose end of be like of saying like, well

1555
01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:17.439
it was all in her head or was? It just

1556
01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:19.319
makes it so much more entertaining to me.

1557
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:24.960
Well, I agree with that. I think the reason I

1558
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:28.560
like it so much is because it ends with this idea.

1559
01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:31.600
Like they do. They wrap it all up in a nice, nice,

1560
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:36.039
neat little package with a bow. They explain everything that

1561
01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:41.359
you need to explain, including like Richard being immolated because

1562
01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:44.960
the car was on fire. Yeah, you know, everybody's injuries

1563
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:47.720
make sense because of the way the car accident happened.

1564
01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:51.760
So the reason I love that ending where they find

1565
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:56.000
the note is because they wrapped it up so well

1566
01:43:56.680 --> 01:44:04.039
and explained so many things. It really makes you wonder

1567
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:06.159
after it's given you that it takes it away from

1568
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:06.800
you a little bit.

1569
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:08.199
Yeah yeah, or.

1570
01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:12.920
Maybe this happened and maybe that guy driving the hearse

1571
01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:19.079
is some kind of a who knows because he comes

1572
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:21.439
off well grim. Reapers don't play with you. They just

1573
01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:25.520
they just take you to hades. You know. Some folks

1574
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.680
call hell. I call it hades. It's all right. I've

1575
01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:32.399
been thinking about sling Blade since you accidentally said Hurst

1576
01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:35.880
a couple of like five six minutes ago. I was waiting.

1577
01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:37.439
I was like, if she says it again, I'm bringing

1578
01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:40.520
it up. But then, since you caught my sling blade

1579
01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.159
reference a well, honestly I wasn't gonna make the reference,

1580
01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:44.760
but then the way you were looking at me, I

1581
01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:46.800
was like, oh God, I gotta make the sling blade reference.

1582
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:53.680
But will well collegiateally debate collegiately debate this ending a

1583
01:44:53.680 --> 01:45:10.560
little more after this break. So my point is the

1584
01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.399
guy driving this this hearse. I'm not saying that I'm

1585
01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:17.000
one hundred percent convinced he's not just a guy who

1586
01:45:17.239 --> 01:45:23.199
drove by and witnessed this, but the way Doctor Marcott's

1587
01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:25.119
car doesn't start so that he has to give her

1588
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:29.880
a ride, and he's very charming. He is he's British, Yeah,

1589
01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:33.960
and he's just very charming, really tall, lanky, long black hair,

1590
01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:36.520
like a little ghoulish, but like not in like a

1591
01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:39.800
mean way. I mean, yeah, it's a horror movie. There's

1592
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:42.920
just something about it that sticks in my craw like

1593
01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:47.640
why would they all each be in the car because

1594
01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:50.399
that and taking why would that be taking them away?

1595
01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:51.159
Yeah?

1596
01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:54.800
And I mean he could be could very well be death,

1597
01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:59.640
that could be, But why the why would the note

1598
01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:05.600
exist even if they were, even if they were in limbo,

1599
01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:12.479
why would it exist nothing else existed afterward. So that's

1600
01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:14.640
my my my big thought, Like it does kind of

1601
01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:18.680
like it does. It's an noggin scratcher. Yeah, yeah, I

1602
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:21.600
love that ending because of that, because you get it

1603
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:23.880
all handed to a neat little package and then it goes,

1604
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:28.119
Actually this, it's it's the fact. And I'm sorry because

1605
01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:30.159
I keep trying to figure out exactly how to say it.

1606
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:37.119
It's the fact that it's so effortlessly hands you that curveball.

1607
01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:39.880
It's such a minor thing to make you wait.

1608
01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:42.479
What, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1609
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:46.079
So I don't know, Like, could it be they were

1610
01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:50.760
could it be they were taken to you know, could

1611
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:55.000
it be that they were in limbo after the wreck

1612
01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:58.399
and that the man in the hearse was the grim

1613
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:03.079
Reaper and he was gathering them? Yeah, yeah, so that

1614
01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:07.520
he could take them away. But then why why would

1615
01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:09.239
they get in his hearse or would he put them

1616
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.520
there in his hearse, drive them away and then leave

1617
01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:16.600
their mangled bodies on the road unless he was taking

1618
01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:18.680
them to reality. But even that, I don't know.

1619
01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:23.000
I don't know, taking them to the afterlife.

1620
01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:25.880
But he's leaving their mangled corpses. I mean, like you'd

1621
01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:28.800
think you'd just take them, Like, why is he leaving

1622
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:32.800
their you know, ripped up bodies for them to find?

1623
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.800
I don't know. I'm not a grim reaper. I don't

1624
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:37.680
know these things.

1625
01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:40.560
Also, when I forgot to mention this, but when she

1626
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:42.800
finds them in the body bags, they are in the

1627
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.239
order they die, yeah in the movie, Yeah, which I

1628
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.159
just thought was a nice touch. So I don't know,

1629
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:52.199
but I think that that little that little tinge at

1630
01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:55.520
the end is perfect. It's really perfect because it makes

1631
01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:00.640
you ask a million questions from a forty five second scene. Yeah,

1632
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:02.159
so that's just really good storytelling.

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Yeah. No, I enjoy it so much.

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So I cannot recommend dead End enough. If you want

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a Christmas horror film you've never seen, or one that

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you maybe watched it way back, when revisit it, you'll

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be glad you did. So before we get out, I mean,

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is there anything else you want to say about Dead End?

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M No, I think that, But I think that just

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about covers it. I really enjoy this movie me too.

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No, It's it's a phenomenal one and I love I

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mean Christmas horror just hits different. So before we take off,

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we actually got an email. For those who are not aware,

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you can email us at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you. You can tell us

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what you think of the movies we reviewed, recommend things

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we should check out, et cetera, et cetera. This one

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is from Melissa. The subject line doesn't exist. Uh well,

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this was actually wrote us this through Weekly Spooky dot

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COM's contact form. I've been recently listening to Cutting Deep

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into Horror and do you even movie? I'm gen X

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and was a kid in preteen when some of the

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movies from the eighties came out. I have always loved horror,

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from nos Feratu on up to now. I do have

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a movie recommendation. It's not really horror, but it's a

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bit weird. The movie is called Dudes from nineteen eighty seven.

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I've totally seen Dudes. I kind of adore that movie.

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It's been a while since I watched it, so I

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may have to track down a copy because Dudes is

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as a it's a bonker's little movie. Let me see

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if I can find the synopsis real quick, because it

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is a very offbeat movie three punk loving New York

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City dudes need a change and drive a Volkswagen Beetle

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to California after rednecks kill one of them in Arizona.

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They want justice. Cute girl helps them. That's a great.

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Acute girl helps them. And it stars Daniel Roebuck, who

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I love. I'm not going to dig into it more

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because she digs into more about it. I saw some

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of the filming in Clarksdale, Arizona. Okay, because it was

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shot in Arizona. I was in seventh grade in our

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school K to eighth grade, went to watch a scene

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being filmed. That's so cool. It was probably a nightmare

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for the director. Yikes, yeah, all those kids making noise. Anyway.

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It was an indie film released on VHA, VHS and

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Blu ray, directed by Penelo's Penelope Sphrus. I remember correctly,

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Penelope Penelope Spearrius went on to do Wayne's World.

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Oh cool.

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I'm almost certain that that's the right Spearus. I'm checking

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because I don't trust myself.

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You shouldn't.

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Actually, I think I'm wrong. I don't think she did

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direct that, but she did write Summer Camp Nightmare, which

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which is not a horror movie. But it sounds like it.

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It does sound like it.

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Oh wait, see y'all. No, IMDb sucks, dude, it doesn't

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work like it used to. She totally directed Wayne's World.

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Ah man, that's awesome.

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And the Little Rascals movie, which I always had a

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saft spot for.

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I love that movie.

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Let's see anyway. Oh sorry, I read that part written

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by Randall Johnson, starred John Crier, Catherine Mary Stewart, and

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Dan Roebuck and leaving the lead singer in Fear the

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punk band. Oh you know Fear No. And I should

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have known when you reacted. It was filmed in northern Arizona,

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not a large budget. You might hate it or not.

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Keep it real, keep it spooky. Thanks. Oh and one

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of my favorite Hitchcock films is Rope Cheers. I need

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to revisit Rope. You would probably like Rope.

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Oh yeah, I haven't seen Rope, but I think I

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01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.840
feel like you've told me I need to see.

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Well that sounds like me. Yes, well, Melissa, I will

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say to you. I am going to put dudes in

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my soon to watch rotation as soon as the holidays

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are over. And thank you so much for listening. And

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01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:19.279
for writing in. Really do appreciate you. The first person

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to write in directly to Cutting Deep into Horror.

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Yeah, thank you, Yeah, yeah, that's very nice.

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So on that note, I guess it's time to get

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out of here. I guess yeah, geez, so sorry, I'm

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getting worn out by the holiday season. Thank you guys

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so much for tuning into Cutting Deep into Horror. I

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hope you enjoyed learning more about dead End than you

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ever needed to know. If you love what we're doing here,

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There's so much more to come. There's always more and

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more and more on the Weekly Spooky Feed. Rachel, you

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have the final word.

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Don't pick up pitchhikers, especially if they're lady's wearing a

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white dress.

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Ending the show with a little misogyny. I like that.