Feb. 21, 2025

Cutting Deep Into Horror | It Comes at Night (2017)

Cutting Deep Into Horror | It Comes at Night (2017)
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Welcome back to another spine-tingling episode of **Cutting Deep into Horror**, where your hosts, Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi, shine a light on the darkest corners of horror cinema. This week, they're diving into the chilling 2017 film *It Comes at Night*, a psychological horror experience that explores themes of fear, paranoia, and the fragility of human relationships in the face of an unseen threat.

As they set the stage for their discussion, Henrique and Rachael share their initial thoughts on the film, which was released by A24 during the rise of "elevated horror." They unpack the unique blend of psychological tension and existential dread that permeates this unsettling narrative. While the film portrayed a world ravaged by disease, it's more about the human condition than any monsters lurking in the shadows. The duo emphasizes the film's ability to keep viewers guessing about its true nature—there’s no creature out there, just the deeply ingrained fear of the unknown.

Delving deeper, Henrique and Rachael reflect on the pivotal opening scene, where we witness a family's harrowing decision to end the suffering of a loved one amidst a viral apocalypse. This gut-wrenching moment serves as a precursor to the psychological turmoil that follows, setting the tone for a film that constantly challenges perceptions of safety, trust, and survival. They discuss the dynamics within the family, particularly teenage Travis, whose emotional struggles and nightmares shape his journey as the story unfolds.

As the episode progresses, the hosts dissect the film's characters, including Travis' relationship with his parents, Paul and Sarah. They highlight how the weight of survival and personal sacrifice alters family dynamics, leading to moments of tension and emotional distance. Rachael points out how Travis feels a disconnect from his father, as Paul is forced to make impossible decisions in the name of protection, leading to a realistic portrayal of parental sacrifice in dire circumstances.

Throughout their analysis, Henrique and Rachael touch upon the various elements that contribute to the film’s psychological horror—a labyrinth-like house, the ever-looming absence of light, and the omnipresent anxiety that escalates with every scene. The raw emotions depicted in the characters and the unsettling atmosphere successfully blur the lines between perceived safety and lurking danger.

As they navigate the twists and turns of the plot, our hosts discuss the fateful arrival of Will and his family, whose introduction to the isolated household raises the stakes considerably. Constructing a fine balance between cooperation and mistrust, the families’ interactions reveal the fragility of alliances when survival is on the line. This theme of distrust continues to build until the climactic confrontation, which leaves listeners reeling from the implications of human desperation.

In the shocking conclusion, Rachael and Henrique articulate how the film culminates in a tragic fate that fully encapsulates its messages—what happens when fear takes over and the lengths people will go to, even to protect their own loved ones. Each character’s development leads to harrowing decisions that escalate the conflict, rendering them spectators of their own downfall as trust evaporates in moments of crisis.

In the aftermath of their emotional exploration of *It Comes at Night*, your hosts urge listeners to forge their own connections to this deeply emotional horror film. They end the episode by inviting fans to share their thoughts, theories, and recommendations for future episodes.

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Should be quiet. Okay, We're not supposed to be outside

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at night. Okay, okay, not that quiet, more of a

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stage whisper. Oh okay, Now, from what I understand, it

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only comes at night.

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Okay, that tracks.

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So I figured that means since we want to avoid it,

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we should get outside at night.

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Right, Yeah, okay, there there there is?

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Do you see that right back there? I mean, either

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it's so dark? Why is night? Night is like such

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a poor tactical advantage?

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Yeah? Okay, so good. It's circling back to what it is?

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Yes, yes, what is it horrible? I mean the death

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that rains? Right, you know what I'm talking about?

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H huh?

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Oh man, you see over there? Mean neither, there's nothing

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it's so dark?

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Yeah?

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Uh oh it just got really quiet.

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Huh.

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That can only be a good sign, right.

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I don't know.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,

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secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are

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frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is cutting

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deep into horror.

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Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror.

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I am, of course, your host, Enrique Kuto here with

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my co host on Cutting Deep, Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel, how

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are you.

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I'm doing all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean well,

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I'm not dead. No.

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January, we could not really find the time to do

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the show, which is pathetic because we live in the

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same house. Yeah, but here we are. It's February, and

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I'm excited because we're talking about a film that I

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think doesn't get nearly enough love, and that is twenty

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seventeen's It Comes at Night. This is one that passed

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by a lot of people's radar, although it was a

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modest hit. Yeah, when it came out, it did twenty

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million dollars at the box office against a five million

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dollar budget. It was right at the initial upswing of

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a twenty four becoming like a name in elevated horror. Yeah,

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which I always love that because you ask people what

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does elevated horror mean, and they're like, oh, well, it's

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like it's you know, it's like horror, but it's got

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like a deeper message that makes it scary. I was like,

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so most most horror horror movies. I mean where I mean,

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you know, I Dracula is about STDs. The Birds is

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about communism and isolation. Night a Living Dead is a

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ripoff of the birds. So it's about communism and isolationism.

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I love Night a Living Dead, but it is such

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a ripoff of the Birds. It's the same concept. Just

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swap birds with zombies. It is the exact same thing.

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to do, well, it's not on purpose anymore. It's really

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just a way of life. Yeah, I do want to

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mention I try not to do this. It's kind of

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a cardinal sin. But it comes at night. Is not

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readily available to stream like with an included subscription on

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really any major service. You can of course rent it

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on Amazon. You can watch it on Cinemax if you

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have like the add on. The digital add on Cinemax

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has it right now, but you can rent it for

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like three dollars. And I will say, because we're going

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to spoil the hell out of it, including why I

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think a lot of the negativity that came out about

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this movie when it first came out as completely bs.

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We're gonna dive pretty deep. So if you haven't seen

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the film, I also think you'll just enjoy a good

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creepy scare. Yeah, it's just a solidly creepy, eerie film.

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The original poster I saw, which is just like the

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back end of a dog that's a light colored dog

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and darkness all around, I still find very creepy. It's

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a dog looking off into the darkness and there's nothing

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in the dark. I love that. When I first got Henwolf,

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when I first got my first dog, she used to

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stand at the edge of the darkness of my backyard

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and just bark into it. And I was like, cool,

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that's not scary. I'm not afraid. Yeah.

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I was gonna say, if you've ever had a dog

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on any amount of like a backyard, any amount of

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land and they stare off into the darkness, that poster

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evokes the same exact emotions.

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at night. And this film, I think one of the

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reasons it got a lot of hate was there were

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a lot of expectation based on the marketing campaign. And

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I don't think that was bad. I think that was smart.

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I do, And I'll talk about that more once we

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get to the ending, because the ending is a pretty

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pretty solid twist. But Yeah came out in twenty seventeen,

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directed by a gentleman named Trey Edward Schultz, who has

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made a few other films, none in the horror genre really.

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He made Krishna in twenty fifteen, which was kind of

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a drama comedy, and he did a film called Waves

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in twenty nineteen, which I have not seen, but it

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is a drama, okay, okay, So this was his kind

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of breakout into the kind of horror genre. At stars

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Joel Edgerton, Christopher Abbot, Carmen Ijago, Kelvin Harrison Junior, and

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Riley Kioge and a few of them. Joel Edgerton was

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already a big star when he took on the movie,

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and then Christopher Abbott was on his way to becoming

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a pretty big star in the world of like some

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Hollywood movies and l of like higher end indie movies.

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That's kind of where he exists. Like he's done stuff

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like he did Poor Things, which is like a big

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budget but it's an indie film somehow, even though it

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costs tons of money, tons of money. He was in

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a most Violent Year, which was like a big budget

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Hollywood movie. But then he was also in Black Bear,

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which you and I. He plays the husband in Black

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Bear and the director in Black Bear, because it's all

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he's a he was a and that was like three

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years after this, So this was one of the first

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times I really remembered seeing him in a major way

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in a movie, like like, you know, he got lots

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of close ups. He's he's a supporting role across from

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Joel Edgerton, who's a you know, talk about us no

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great actor to have to act across from. So, but

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the film takes place in what we assume, because that's

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the other thing. This movie is full of assumptions. That's

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kind of almost the theme now that I think about it,

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is assumption.

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I would have to agree.

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Because the audience is left only to assume as well.

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Because we're given no details. It appears that there's an

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apocalypse of some sort. It appears the film is post apocalyptic,

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and spoiler to a spoiler, the spoiler isn't there actually

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is no apocalypse and they're just hiding wrong or being

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lied to. That's not the text. There is an infectious

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disease that is killing people. Very quickly and appears to

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be airborne. Yeah, and that's what everybody is afraid of,

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because we open the film with the family disposing of

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their very very sick grandfather. Yeah, and he's basically catatonic

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at this point. He can barely speak or breathe on

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his own, and they take him out into the backyard

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and say goodbye and shoot him.

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Yeah. Well, and it was such a hell of an

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opening because it was such a great introduction to every

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single carecharacter that we follow, because you know, it opens

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with the grandpa catatonic in his bed and the dad's

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kind of like off a ways in the room, just

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the silent guardian, and you know, the son and the

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mom are sitting there at the bedside, but they're you know,

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wearing their their ppe their protective gear, and they're they're

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full blown gas masks and gloves like everything, like anything

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that you could get your hands on post apocalyptics. They

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they have their hands on it. They are you know,

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fully protected. So you know, you open up with that,

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and then immediately it goes to dad and son wheeling

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Grandpa out in a wheelburrow just out into the woods,

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And my immediate thought was like, well, that's not that's

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not good. That's that that's where we are.

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And they set him down in this little hole they

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dug for him, and they don't just shoot him. They

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pulled a pillow over his head and shoot the pillow.

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So there's a sense of humanity, there's a sense of

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like this just desperately has to be done. All he's

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going to do is suffer and risk infecting us. That's

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all he can do now.

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Yeah, because he's so so incredibly sense.

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Scott boils all over his hands and arms. He's coughing

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up black gunk, and after shooting him, they set him

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on fire.

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Because you can't risk it. You can't. You can't risk

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having the body there to continue spreading disease as it decomposes.

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That you've got to get rid of that.

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What if animals dug it up and started, you know,

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eating pieces of it and it got spread around. I mean,

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there's just too many possibilities. What if it harmed the soil?

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Maybe because they also they don't know anything about the illness.

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That's the really important thing other than what they've seen,

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which is that it usually presents itself in a day

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or so, and it usually starts on the hands.

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kind of implied that you can see it in the eyes, yeah,

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because it will start with like boils and then you'll

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see it in the eyes and then before you know it,

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the person is like puking blood. And I got.

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The vibe that it wasn't just because it literally affected

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the eyes, but because it causes like confusion and stuff,

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So you could see it in the eyes just because

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they don't look right anymore.

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Yeah, like they're not making good eye contact.

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Right, But we'll get into what we think is going

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on and so much more right after this, and we

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return now after this Viking's funeral for their grandfather, we

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are introduced to the family a little bit more more intimately,

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like we get to see them up close and personal.

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We find out that it is of course the father, Paul,

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and then of course Sarah, Paul's wife, and Travis, Paul

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and Sarah's son. Yeah, and the man that they had

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just put down was Bud, Sarah's father, So it was

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it was Paul's father in law that they had to

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just put down. And it becomes very clear, I would

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say immediately that Travis was very close with his grandfather. Yeah,

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I get the sense that and you probably picked this

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up too, that Travis is very much closer with his

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mother than his father.

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It seems that way, and throughout the movie we kind

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of start to see why there is that distance. So

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I feel like there was a lot of development and

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revelation there that that was really good. But yeah, even

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in that opening scene, or you know, close to opening scene,

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when they're sitting around the dinner tea table all silent

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and sullen. And we find out the significance of this later,

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but they've all just finished their dinner. They're sad, and

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they're silent, and and Paul the dad, gets up and

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he cleans up everyone's dinner plate. And we find out

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later when they talk about the family rules, like that's

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a huge deal. Yeah, because he was taking that on

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from they didn't.

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Even pick that up. You're right, no, because he mentions

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when a little bit later on, when new people move

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into the house, he mentions that, like they have they

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don't have a ton of rules, but they have like

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like six or seven that are like set in stone

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that is part of the routine to help the house

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stay together. And one of them is everybody cleans their

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own dishes. Yeah, so him taking there, you're right him,

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that was a sign that he was trying to comfort them. Yeah.

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And later on there's a great part where Paul is

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grabbing his son and he's like, you can hate me

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for this, Like, I'll be the bad guy. That's fine.

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Like he's just saying that because he all he cares

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about is his son's survival. He's like, you can hate

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me for this. I'll be the bad guy.

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Yeah, I want you to live, so I'm going to

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be the bad guy for you.

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So I will tell you absolutely not, you can't do this.

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So we're also introduced to Stanley, the family dog, who

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we later find out as actually the grandfather's Yeah, dog

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was initially I mean, who knows. That's the other thing.

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So we don't know how long they've been here.

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We don't no, no, and even well, and I love

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it the exposition. There's so much but so little. We

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know there's a disease. We know that the cities started

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being affected first, but how long this apocalypse has been

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going on, We have no clue, and nobody gives us

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any iota of a clue. So it could have been

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going on for you know, a couple of years. It

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could have only been like several weeks. All we know

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is that it's enough time that everyone is kind of

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settling into the fact that this is the new normal. Yeah,

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there's there's no going back now.

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It seemed to me like it was multiple months minimum. Yeah,

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but it could have been even longer. Oh yeah, for

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all I could tell. But so they like to give

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you like context. They're in this house in the middle

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of nowhere. It's deep in the woods, but it's a

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substantial house, so it would appear that they probably lived

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there full time, that it probably was not like a

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summer home or a vacation home. They don't have any

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regular electricity. They do have a generator that they use

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on occasion, but generally speaking, the house has no electricity running,

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and they don't have running water. They have a well

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and an outhouse, but the house appears to have had

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running water. It's just that powering the pumps is a

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waste of energy, which would make sense because there's a

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scene later on where we see Travis's charge charged ha

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with charging all the electric electronics like that they have,

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like batteries and stuff, where he's just standing in front

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of in a workshop, in front of this giant wall

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of plugs and these plugging things in and charging things up.

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So I would guess that like a few times a week,

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maybe they're charging the few electronic vices they absolutely need

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to use, and the rest of the time they're rough

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in it because there's tons of scenes, great creepy scenes

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where they're walking through the house in the dark. Yeah,

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just a lantern. And the director I heard in an

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interview he said that he wanted it to be like

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The Shining in that you have no concept of the

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layout of the house.

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That's great because you really don't.

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Yeah. He said that it helps you not get comfortable. Yeah,

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you don't really know, like, wait, they're in this hallway.

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Where does that go? You don't know.

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I love that because even in my notes I have

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like hallway question mark, crawl space question mark, attic question mark,

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Like I don't know where we are. I just know

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it's a place in the house.

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Yeah, And he said he wanted it to I just

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looked it up to just to make sure I was correct.

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He wanted it to be vague and not properly established,

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so that it felt like a kind of labyrinth. Sometimes

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and I agree, And it's subtle. It's not like they

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ever make you think like they're lost in the house

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or something. It's just you are lost in the house

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because you're an outsider and that makes you less less comfortable.

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And you're right. We discover pretty early on that Travis

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is kind of like hanging out in the crawl space

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and going up to the attic a lot by himself,

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which is another example. And it makes sense. He's seventeen

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years old, or at least that's what he said.

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Hey, yeah, seventeen.

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He's a teenager, so he's already going to have a

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need to separate it from his parents. He's going to

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have a need to kind of figure himself out. But

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he's in a situation that is about as totalitarian as

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you can get, which is an absolute by any means

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necessary survival situation where your father is the expert. Yeah,

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and we get that vibe too, that he's a bit

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of an outdoorsman, not like an extreme outdoorsman though, no,

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like we just get a sense that he's that he's

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a bit of one. Also worth pointing out, the firearms

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that they're armed with are mostly hunting weapons and minor

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defensive weapons. It's like, yeah, a revolver and a pistol,

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a basic pistol. Like they're they they're not armed to

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the teeth with tactical weaponry.

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No.

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No, they weren't like preppers or anything.

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At least not to an extreme degree.

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No.

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I mean they may have been a little bit by

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the gas masks, but.

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Yeah, but even then, it could have it could have

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been like, hey, we already live out in the country anyway,

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we hear there's things going down in the cities, let's

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buy some gas masks. People do that.

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Oh No, that's what I was kind of getting at.

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It was that, like, it's a bit more of a

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prepper thing to have a full blown gas mask than like,

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and this is of course pre COVID, but you know,

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like you're more way more likely to prep with like

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an overkill mask than you would be a bunch of

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like n ninety five masks left over from like you know,

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doing the insulation or something. Yeah. Yeah, so it makes sense.

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And later on we see that some of the they

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even have some handmade ones they've built, which also suggests

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how long have they been here? And again, you don't know,

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and you won't find out, Yeah, because that's not that

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stories about. It's not about the sickness. It's about surviving,

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and it's about the human mind and the human condition,

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which is why I really love this movie, because that's

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what the focus really is. And I feel like one

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of the reasons audiences got frustrated was they would get

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distracted by trying to see things that weren't there. And

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I think that was on purpose. I think that the

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I think the filmmaker, and I think that the distributor

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wanted you to be looking in the wrong places. I

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think that's one of the reasons I love this movie

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because I was looking in the wrong places the first

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time I watched it. I was wondering, you know, what's

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out there? What is it at night that comes? Why

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are there weird things going on at night? And maybe

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that wasn't really what you need to worry about. But

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of course, at this point, unless I missed anything else

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of prudence, we now experience the pounding at the door

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in the middle of the night.

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Yeah, yeah, we start sorry, I was looking at me

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at my notes. We start getting introduced to the idea

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that the sun. Travis is having nightmares because he has

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a nightmare that night about his grandpa, right, which was

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very gruesome, and that nightmare is what leads into him

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hearing someone at the back door, the only entrance there

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is to the house, banging on the door frantically.

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Yes, and it's pitch black, the door has this red

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hue to it, And who's behind the door We're going

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to find out right after this. So as we hear

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this pounding at the door, it becomes clear that they've

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been expecting the inevitability of this. Yeah, that one day

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somebody would come pounding on the door, hopefully not many.

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And if I remember correctly, Paul hauls up directly in

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front of the door with a rifle, his wife standing

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to the side with a handgun pointed at it too,

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and they're And one thing I thought was interesting makes sense,

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but I thought was interesting was they never called out no,

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They never said like who are you, what do you want?

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Or go away, we're armed, none of that, which makes

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me think that they're entirely expecting looters or people who

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are going to try to take from them, entirely because

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you know, in our modern society, usually the way you

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get somebody to stop pounding on your doors, you make

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it clear your home yeah, and they're out of there.

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But in this case, though, by not announcing anything, they're

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also kind of encouraging them to keep pounding to find

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out what's inside. And I wonder if that if the

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idea was like, well, like, may as well just lure

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them in and shoot them they're trying to break in.

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I think it's I think it could be that, but

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in a different direction. I think it could be like,

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when you start calling out, you also let the other

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people know who's in the house, how many people are

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in the house, whether they should expect a large amount

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of resistance or not. So in a survival situation, it

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would kind of make sense not to make yourself known,

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especially when you're just one man, one woman, and a

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seventeen year old kid, Like, you don't want it. What

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if there's twenty looters out there? You don't want them

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knowing that you're an easy target.

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Well, I mean, if only one person called out, that

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wouldn't give away that much. Though, Oh that's fair, because

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only one. Why would you have everybody? Actually, now I'm

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just laughing because it's like it's like you'd have twenty

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people go on the count of three, go away, everybody

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all at once.

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Well, that would be amusing. But no, I see your point,

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But no, I think it's also like it it is.

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I agree that it is a security thing. It's about security.

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And on the same element, I mean, the door was

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well somewhat well fortified, so maybe they're hoping they'll just

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go away. Yeah, but I think that would be a

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very wishful thought, because if a house is locked, that's

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even more reason to get in, especially if you don't

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know if anybody's in there and you're desperate. So eventually

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as the door's does he manage to get the first

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door down, I can't remember off the top my head.

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Yeah, So what's cool about the door, and going back

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to the director saying he wanted it to the whole

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house to feel like a labyrinth, is the back door

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isn't just the back door. The back door, the red door,

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the really ominous, foreboding door that we actually see fairly

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regularly goes to a mudroom that goes to the back

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door that leads outside. So the guy manages to get into,

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like he's starting to break down the door to the mudroom.

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So the dad Paul rushes in and you know, closes

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the red door behind him. So they're stuck in the

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mudroom by themselves.

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It's like an air lock.

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It is like an air lock, and they the family

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obviously they are well prepared for disease because the mudroom

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they've put like plastic all on the walls. They've made

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it very much a air lock in that this is

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the decontamination zone you go, you know, when you're coming

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inside from outside, you stop here to like make sure

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that you don't have to get clean again before you

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go inside. So the intruder is getting into that door,

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and Paul apprehends him in the mudroom, but he keeps

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the door to the house closed so that you know,

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Sarah and Travis aren't either exposed or in danger in

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case this is something like really really dangerous, of course, And.

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We find that there's a single man who I believe

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was armed, is in the room now, and Paul asks him,

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are you alone? Are you alone? If I go outside,

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am I gonna find anybody else? And the guy's just

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adamant that he's the only one here. He's looking for supplies.

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But of course I don't blame Paul for doubting that,

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because if there was a party of people outside, you

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wouldn't want to tell the people who just got you

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your mind. My friends are all outside.

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Yeah, that sounds exactly like somebody who's planning an ambush

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would say.

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So then he rears back the butt of his rifle

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and just knocks the guy out cold, and then proceeds

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to tell his family, I'm going to go see if

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if he's alone, so watch him. So he gives his

450
00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.160
wife a gun, and a wife already has a gun.

451
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.400
She just is told to keep an eye on him.

452
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:52.759
So he goes outside. We don't follow him. We stay

453
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.960
inside with the family, who are mortified that there's a

454
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.960
stranger because it's just apparently they haven't seen one a while. Yeah,

455
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.920
and when Paul comes back, he's like, there's nobody around

456
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:05.960
that I could see nobody.

457
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:06.720
Yeah.

458
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:11.920
So the next step is they the sun. It's morning now,

459
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:16.920
and they've tied him up and they're wheelbarrowing him. And

460
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.119
it's a little creepy because you know, it's reminiscent of

461
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.000
what they did to Grandpa, except after they dump him

462
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.680
out of the wheelbarrow, you realize, Okay, they're not going

463
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.440
to kill him, but they're going to tie him to

464
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:33.759
a tree out front and gag him and wait to

465
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.720
see if he's sick. Because another thing that when he

466
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.319
was yelling are you alone, he was also yelling like

467
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:40.519
are you sick? Are you sick? Are you sick? Let

468
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.160
me see your hands, let me see your eyes. You know,

469
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.640
he was just, yeah, you know, yelling at him. So

470
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.640
now we realize that the plan is to tie him

471
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.039
up and make sure he's not sick and then talk

472
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:58.000
to him, which is a bit kinder than you might expect.

473
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.920
Yeah, well, it's way better than just killing him in

474
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:01.640
cold blood.

475
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.440
It's not cold blood if he's trying to break in

476
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.000
your home, fair, I mean, I.

477
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:07.599
Mean, but luke warm blood.

478
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:08.240
Yeah, luke warm blood.

479
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:08.480
Yeah.

480
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.960
Well, and also I mean it's a world of of

481
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:16.680
desperation and violence. Yeah, you know. So I don't know.

482
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:18.319
I mean, I'm not saying you should have just shot

483
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.759
him out right, I'm just saying, like, it is risky

484
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.240
to be like, let's find out what's up with him,

485
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.039
because now that he knows where your house is, and

486
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.759
he knows that you're fortified, which means you probably have supplies. Otherwise,

487
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.119
how would you why would you spend the time to

488
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.240
fortify this place if you had no way to you know,

489
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:35.920
be comfortable if you had no way to eat and

490
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:39.640
drink and safe place to sleep. He's trying to kind

491
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.920
of figure out who he is. This is this guy,

492
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.200
So that's a that's my end. You take over.

493
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.799
Oh no, don't make me take over. Well, no, I

494
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.279
this is where we really, we really in this first

495
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:58.359
act are starting to see how the atmosphere of the

496
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.960
movie is going to evolve, because there's all these scenes

497
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:06.720
where the only thing you hear is like the effects

498
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.720
in the background, and people are like hardly even talking.

499
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.319
And then as tension builds, you'll notice like strings and

500
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:17.960
horns will start this like dissonance, and it just grows

501
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:23.319
and gets louder and more chaotic, until something will happen

502
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.400
in the scene and then suddenly the music will like

503
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.079
actually turn into a little bit of music, but we'll

504
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.839
actually hear people talking or discussing dialogue. So it's like

505
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:39.039
really building this very very intense atmosphere where it's almost

506
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.920
like priming you to really stay in that fight or

507
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:48.319
flight kind of mindset the whole time. Oh yeah, so

508
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.559
that day where they've got the man tied up is

509
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.559
very ominous because you know, we hear the strings getting

510
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.680
kind of dissonant, and you know, the Sun is hanging

511
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.920
out in the attic, just watching this guy from a

512
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.000
peep hole, just watching him in the woods, and then

513
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.799
listening to his dad who is also sitting there, just

514
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.680
watching this guy and a people in the woods and

515
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.440
realizing like the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree,

516
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.119
but the Sun is feeling like way different emotions about

517
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:24.319
this than the dad is. So it's very interesting because

518
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.920
that also is something that plays out through the film

519
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:35.160
where we start to really see that this survival has

520
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:40.200
totally affected Paul and Sarah and Travis and just how

521
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.000
deeply it's affecting them to survive the way that they have.

522
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.000
So the next day, after they've watched and they've spent

523
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.880
like twenty four hours watching this guy to make sure

524
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.519
that he's not sick, Paul goes out to talk to

525
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.200
him on his own and demands to know like who

526
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.759
are you, where do you come from? Who are you

527
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.079
with when you're there? Why are you here? Especially that

528
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.640
last one, why are you here? And we find out

529
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.319
that the guys you know from no more than like

530
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.640
fifty sixty miles away. He's been with his wife and

531
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.319
son in a house similar to this, but they're running

532
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.079
out of water. They've got food, but they don't have water.

533
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:28.359
Which is great for this family because they've got plenty

534
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.559
of ways to get water because they've got the well,

535
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.079
but they don't have much in the ways of food.

536
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.200
This family has like chickens and goats. They've got canned

537
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.519
goods that they can share. So as we start digging

538
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.079
into the backstory, we find out that when the apocalypse

539
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.440
apocalypse happened, this guy and his wife and his young

540
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.640
son had been staying with He says his brother, and

541
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.799
he doesn't really say what happened to the brother, but

542
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.119
he just says they're on their own now. They had

543
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.400
to move away from there, And.

544
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:01.640
Paul I thought he said he was dead.

545
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.519
Did he actually outright say he was dead?

546
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.240
Or I thought, well, I mean I think he at

547
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.440
first he just said, like we were originally with my brother.

548
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.599
Is that what happened there? Like where's your brother now?

549
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:12.519
He's like he's dead.

550
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.160
I thought, Okay, maybe he did say he's dead.

551
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:16.240
I could be wrong.

552
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.759
I felt like he more alluded to it when he

553
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.119
said like we had to leave him or something like that,

554
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.200
like we definitely know he's dead. We know that much

555
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:31.160
because Paul like has this moment of recognition and commiseration

556
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.359
because he just had to make some very very tough

557
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.039
decisions with Bud the grandpa, So he obviously feels for

558
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:46.319
this guy. So he's curious about all this, about the prospects,

559
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:52.880
but he's also very on edge because he doesn't know

560
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.599
whether to trust this man. This man's name is Will.

561
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.039
Well, we don't find that out until like, and that's

562
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.839
the craziest part. He doesn't ask his name until I

563
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:15.519
they well, we'll get to that right after this. So

564
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:21.440
we're back and now Paul is trying to decide. He's like, Okay,

565
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.119
I'm going to check out his story. So he tells

566
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.559
his family, I'm going to go with him to see

567
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.359
if he's telling the truth. If I don't come back,

568
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.200
don't come looking for me. Should only be a few days.

569
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.720
Reveals that he has a working vehicle, Yeah, which is

570
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.839
something I mean, I guess not that surprising, but still

571
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.559
it would explain how they could scavenge things that they

572
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.559
probably travel pretty far. Yeah.

573
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:54.279
Yeah, So they decide to go back to this to

574
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.000
where this guy guy's wife and small child are hiding,

575
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.319
and so they love up into the car and again

576
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.440
with the atmosphere of this of this movie, just building

577
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.480
and building and building until something happens. They they get

578
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.640
into the truck and the guy is sitting in, you know,

579
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.759
the back of the truck, and Paul is driving the truck,

580
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.200
and it's it's gotta be like almost sixty seconds of

581
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.960
a continuous take of just focusing on the on the

582
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.119
rear view mirror, and then focusing on Paul, and then

583
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.559
focusing on the window near Paul, and then focusing out

584
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.400
the back window, and then back and back and back,

585
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.200
and the will is in.

586
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.400
The back of the truck yelling directions through the window

587
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.079
through the back window.

588
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.440
Of the pickup truck, and he's also being lookout, so

589
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.799
like if if he sees something in the road that

590
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.279
could be dangerous, he's also supposed to call out, like

591
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.480
call that out. But the whole time we're doing this

592
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.720
continuous take and they're just they're driving through some honestly

593
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:58.559
like rather beautiful countryside. The music is growing and swelling

594
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:03.920
and getting more dis and and more what's the word

595
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:10.160
for coffin more like a cacophony, until suddenly there's a

596
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.240
bam and the the window next to Paul blows out

597
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.920
and they lose control of the truck and they crash

598
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.039
into a tree. And then it's like a pandemonium for

599
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.000
a minute as we follow Paul and try to figure

600
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.000
out what's going on, and he manages to shoot somebody.

601
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.319
And then as he's looking around, you know, getting out

602
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.440
of the car and like yelling and trying to figure

603
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.920
out what's going on, Will's gotten on this other guy

604
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.920
who had apparently been firing at them or trying like

605
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:49.119
trying to trap them, and Will is pummeling his brains out,

606
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:55.440
like if if, if Paul would not have intervened, Will

607
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:01.079
would have killed that man within moments. But the thing

608
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.279
that's was extra interesting to me as like character development

609
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.440
as interaction is, you know, Paul pulls Will off of him,

610
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.519
off of this guy, and Will has this brief moment

611
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.960
of clarity where he's like, Okay, now we need to

612
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.039
talk to him. And then as soon as Paul shoots

613
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.760
the guy that had been shooting at them, Will then

614
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:23.920
freaks out like we could have gotten information out of him,

615
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.440
We could have figured out like where they came from,

616
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.199
or if there's more people with him, But dude was

617
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.039
about ready to kill this guy with his bare hands

618
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.079
just a few seconds ago.

619
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.480
Yeah, well that was meant, I think, to make you

620
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.159
doubt Will a little bit more, becaubsolutely him. And then

621
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.400
and then Paul points the gun at him, and right

622
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:40.840
as he's about he goes no, no, wait, wait wait, and

623
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.280
he shoots the guy dead. And he's like, why did

624
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.440
you tell Why were you telling me to stop? Yeah,

625
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:46.960
Like do you know him? He's like, no, I don't

626
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:48.639
know him. Why did you tell me to stop? He's like,

627
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:50.960
to we could have asked him things, we could have

628
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.840
found out information from him. Yeah. So that and there

629
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.639
are a lot of like these of these like trusting

630
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.639
or like trust doubting moments exactly. That's a major part

631
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:03.920
of the film is making it hard to trust anyway

632
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.320
and well anybody from outside the house. Yeah. So yeah,

633
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.559
so now we after that happens, we cut to the

634
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.599
house and Travis is all excited because Dad's back, and

635
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.960
we really find out that they have brought Will's family, Yeah,

636
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.360
which I thought was hilarious because after they get back there,

637
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.639
after the family is in this truck and they're filthy,

638
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.639
you know, they've been living hard. After they get out,

639
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.519
he literally introduces them by asking what their names are. Yeah,

640
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.559
he didn't even know Will's name, and they'd probably spent

641
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.599
five or six days together surviving to get to that

642
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.920
family because they were about fifty miles north, is what

643
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.360
he had said. So now we introduce more characters.

644
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.559
Kim is that the mother's name, So young young lady

645
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.400
named Kim. And Andy is their young son? Is it

646
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:57.320
Andy or Andrew?

647
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:57.679
Andrew?

648
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:03.159
Andrew Man? I should forget that. And Andrew seems to

649
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.480
be about like four three four years old, so he's

650
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:11.840
very very young. Yes, real cute little kid. And there's

651
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:16.519
a very sweet moment where the two families are together

652
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.199
at the kitchen table, just kind of like talking after

653
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.599
they've gotten off the road, and Paul's going over like

654
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.199
the rules of the house where you know, he mentions like,

655
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.719
we never open the door. Every every other point of

656
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.679
entrance to the house is absolutely boarded up. The one

657
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.280
door stays locked. I have the key, end of story.

658
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.880
And the other door also stays locked. Yea, I have

659
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:41.639
the key as well.

660
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.000
Yeah, both both doors are locked. No one goes outside alone.

661
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.159
We always go in groups of at least two. We

662
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.320
don't go outside at night unless it's an absolute emergency,

663
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.159
I get to keep the only guns we have for

664
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:56.639
a while.

665
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.559
Well he doesn't. He doesn't say I get to keep guns.

666
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.880
He says keep our guns in a safe.

667
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:05.719
And he's like, I'd like to keep your gun in

668
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.719
the safe for now.

669
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.039
Yeah, until we figure something else out. Yeah, what he

670
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.760
kind of I think is what he says. Yeah, So,

671
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.920
I mean, he's not making it like we're confiscating, although

672
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.760
they are. I mean, but he's just he's trying to

673
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.480
make it fun of you do is Well, they also

674
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.679
have a little kid in the house now too, so you.

675
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.000
Know you do want to keep those little things safe,

676
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:22.400
I guess.

677
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.719
Well, but then there's the element too that this is

678
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.480
a this is their home, and you are a guest,

679
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.000
so you do kind of have to follow their rules exactly.

680
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:38.159
But but that's going to create a tension that can

681
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.360
be palpable at times, for sure.

682
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:47.239
Oh yeah, and we explore that tension. But what I

683
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.960
really like is that this portion of the movie is

684
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.079
so purely psychological, and well, the whole movie is psychological.

685
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.639
Like I was waiting the whole time, just like you,

686
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.199
and like many people, I feel I was waiting for

687
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.880
to figure out what it was, and then I realized

688
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.280
that like the it in the title of the movie

689
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.039
is way more, way more esoteric than like an actual creature.

690
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.840
So I kept waiting, like when are we going to

691
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.280
see the thing that comes at night? And then I realized,

692
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:23.119
like doubt comes at night, creeping dread comes at night

693
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.239
before the twist.

694
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:27.880
Which makes that all make even more sense.

695
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.000
Yeah with you, but yeah, so, but what what made

696
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.400
that so rewarding is then we get a little tiny

697
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:43.159
taste of not quite normalcy, but not hanging on for

698
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.480
dear life survival.

699
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.440
Yeah, there's a sense of community they're starting to build.

700
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.840
And Travis is very and rightfully. I mean, he's a

701
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.239
teenage boy. He's very happy to see a woman that's

702
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.199
not a member of his family. Yeah, I mean, he's

703
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.760
not like leering, he's just curious because he's a teenage

704
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.599
boy and there's an attractive girl in Will's wife. And

705
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.639
we'll get to more of the inter dynamics of this

706
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:23.320
commingling of families right after this. So as the families

707
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.320
start to kind of learn to cohabitate with each other,

708
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.719
we start to see a few things I thought were

709
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.679
really interesting, like that in some ways, Will is a

710
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:38.039
bit more of an outdoorsman than Paul. Will's incredibly good

711
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.920
at splitting firewood, and.

712
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.800
He's even teaching teaching Travis.

713
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.159
But think about what that actually says. That suggests that

714
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.920
for whatever reason Paul didn't teach him how to split firewood.

715
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.679
Could it have been because he didn't know how to

716
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.599
teach him, or could it have been because he tried

717
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.079
and failed? Because why wouldn't you know how to split fire?

718
00:39:59.079 --> 00:39:59.880
Would they need fire?

719
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:00.880
Yeah?

720
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.840
So why would Travis, who's an able bodied seventeen year old, ma'am,

721
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.840
why wouldn't he know how to split firewood? But to

722
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.960
Paul's credit, when he when he oversees this, he doesn't

723
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.119
have a look of like anger or disdain or jealousy.

724
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.800
He just has a look of general cautiousness where he's

725
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.199
which and I read it as he was more like

726
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.239
he was more just thinking, like I just hope he

727
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.199
doesn't get to attach these people if they turn out

728
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.039
not to be who they say they are, or if

729
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.440
they get sick and die, because that is wont to happen.

730
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.639
Or if they just decide to pick up and move

731
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.639
like families decide to move. That's what happens.

732
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.119
Is that what happened like with your family during the apocalypse.

733
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.039
You guys just like we're like we're going to move now,

734
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.039
We're going to go over here.

735
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.599
You know. That's I mean, that's basically how my great

736
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.239
grandpa Ry Rudy came to the United States. He's like,

737
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.800
Italy is like kind of filling up with Nazis right now,

738
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.280
and he's like, I think I want to go to

739
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.760
the United States because there's less of those.

740
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.480
Marcellini didn't convince him, like that wasn't his problems, Like, hey,

741
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.039
he's trains are running great.

742
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:07.559
No, it was. It was strictly the Nazis.

743
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.559
Fair enough, fair enough. So so now we're seeing all

744
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.519
of this, you know, Uh, Travis is becoming friendly with

745
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.039
the family. I do love that every time we're at

746
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.960
the dinner table that Andrew is is at the head

747
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.239
of the table between the two moms.

748
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.079
Oh absolutely, of course would No, he would and I

749
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:30.519
I they they were few and far between, but especially

750
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.119
during like the little I would almost call it like

751
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:36.719
the montage of the families teaching each each other's stuff

752
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:43.599
and like learning from each other. Sarah and Kim had

753
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.039
great chemistry as just being like two ladies trying to

754
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.840
run two families together. And there was a very adorable

755
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.920
moment where Travis got out his old toys and like

756
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.360
crayons and stuff and gave gave him to Andrew and

757
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.239
like sat and played with him for a minute. So

758
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.480
like you get the family that these are two families

759
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.800
trying to make this whole thing work.

760
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.519
Well. There was also a moment, I think it was

761
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.880
at the introduction meal where he was explaining the rules

762
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.079
of the house where Andrew is like like ducks down

763
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.159
behind the table, like you know, just kidding, and Edgerton

764
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.480
just kind of after being so dead serious and being

765
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.480
so whatever, he just kind of looks at it. He

766
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:28.920
goes look at him hide, what are you hiding from?

767
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.480
What are you hiding from? Just being a dad because

768
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.000
he was a dad he had a little kid once. Yeah,

769
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.119
and I thought that was a really charming little moment

770
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:41.280
to like both suggest he is a human with a

771
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:47.760
warm heart, but also the suggestion of like, since the

772
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.360
kid is play hiding, that he's play responding by kind

773
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.719
of interrogating him the way they actually would what are

774
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.599
you hiding from? What are you hide? And pal Like

775
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.679
that's some really clever, clever writing and Edgerton of course,

776
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.280
being I mean, he really is an incredible actor and

777
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.840
a really talented director. His film The Gift I saw

778
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.039
in the theater four times. It was amazing, I was

779
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.599
his directorial debut was so good. I'd love to cover

780
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.639
it on the show. But it's not really a horror movie.

781
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:21.920
Oh you've seen it. Oh yeah, it's like borderline horror movie,

782
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.599
but it's really much more of like a drama thriller.

783
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:25.159
Yeah.

784
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.880
Yeah, it's a little bit too loose on the definition

785
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.199
of horror, but maybe we will one day. But anyway, so, so, yeah,

786
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.400
there are a lot of little moments where people are

787
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:40.320
clearly bonding. Even Paul and Will. They get along very well. Yeah,

788
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.199
Paul and Will both have a lot in common. One

789
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.800
of those things being that they both believe they would

790
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.360
do anything for their family first and foremost, which makes

791
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.440
Paul trust him and not not trust him at the

792
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.920
exact same time, which.

793
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.679
Makes sense, well, yeah, because he understands like, well, I

794
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:04.519
know the lengths I would go to to protect my family,

795
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.199
so I have to assume that all those cards are

796
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.360
also on his table. Sure, uh, which is admirable but

797
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.719
also a little bit intimidating. Yeah, a lot bit intimidating.

798
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.960
Well, and then we also, did you notice that they

799
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.679
kind of just gently reveal that there's something wrong with

800
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.360
Paul's leg.

801
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.559
Yeah, all of a sudden.

802
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.320
He's just embed at one point, and there's an ace,

803
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:30.800
like a really heavy duty ace bandage around one of

804
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.840
his legs. And then as he's doing stuff, we start

805
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.519
to notice he might have injured it when he fell

806
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:36.920
out of the truck, or when he jumped out of

807
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.920
the truck at the beginning, or it may have always

808
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.440
been there, yeah, because we never really see when it starts.

809
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.599
But then all of a sudden, I started noticing after

810
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.639
they revealed that that he was a little slow, not

811
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.519
like not you know, totally unable to run, but like

812
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.960
he's slow. He's slower than and Will is not. Yeah,

813
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:59.159
Will is younger and stronger and maybe more aware. The

814
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.400
only thing that Paul has his experience. That's the only

815
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.480
weapon he has in his arsenal that can't really be

816
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.440
matched by anybody other than maybe his wife. I don't

817
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.599
they look like they're roughly the same age, but who knows.

818
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.440
So that was something else I thought was really interesting

819
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.599
is I didn't notice once that his leg was bandaged

820
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.280
up until right around the time the new family arrived.

821
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:28.039
Yeah. No, and the the development of everyone like learning

822
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:33.360
to trust each other makes it so much makes it

823
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.480
so much more heartbreaking when that trust starts to break down,

824
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.039
because I believe that's around the time when Paul and

825
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.719
Will sit down to have a drink together.

826
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.760
Isn't it around that time? Yeah?

827
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.239
And so they're sitting there and like Will like protests

828
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.920
because Paul is like gonna break open the good whiskey.

829
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.599
Or or it may just be the only.

830
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:02.840
At this point that way so good with me. So

831
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.440
he's like, no, no, don't do that, Like, no, you don't.

832
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.199
And he's like he's like, come on, man, we're going

833
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.000
to share a drink. So they share a drink together,

834
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.519
and Will starts talking about his life, his life before,

835
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.199
what life was like him like for him in the city,

836
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.480
and you know, he kind of reveals that he did

837
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.360
grow up in the country and he moved to the

838
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.559
city for Kim and then he came back out here

839
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.840
and Paul reveals, like, you want to know my big

840
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.400
secret what I did before, because you know, Will was

841
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.280
like a you know, construction worker and he was like

842
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.239
a mechanic and he did demolition, and he's like, yeah,

843
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.400
it's taught history. You want to know about the Roman Empire.

844
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.000
So we started we start to understand a little bit

845
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.440
more like why Paul feels so intimidated, is there is

846
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.440
a reason to be intimidated there. But then Will says

847
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.880
something really interesting. He mentions he was an only child.

848
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.440
Yeah, and that immediately gives Paul pause. Yeah, and I

849
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.920
love that because, Yeah, that's a moment where it's like

850
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:13.199
there's a hole in the story. Yeah, and that's dangerous.

851
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.440
You don't because that's his whole thing was, You've got

852
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.599
to tell me the whole truth. Look me in the eyes,

853
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.039
and tell me the whole truth.

854
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.159
When he was tied to the tree, he literally pointed

855
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:23.280
again and his face said, you have to look me

856
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.800
in the eyes and tell me the truth. Don't lie

857
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:26.159
to me. Don't lie to me, or I swear I'll

858
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:28.119
kill you. I'll kill you and I won't even care. Yeah.

859
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:32.360
And at that moment, we as an audience almost miss

860
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.960
it too, because they're just saying stuff, they're drinking, they're

861
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.000
having fun. It's one of the few levity moments of

862
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.599
the entire film. Yeah, is that moment, so of course

863
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.400
they drop something on us. To Paul's credit, he doesn't

864
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.079
like hold it secret to like plot. He just goes,

865
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.280
I thought you were staying with your brother, and without

866
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.800
missing a beat, and like it was so effortless that

867
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.480
I think Will was probably telling the truth. Yeah, he

868
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:01.840
just says, well, it's my brother. He was like my brother,

869
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.679
you know so, and and part of me is like, yeah,

870
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:06.360
if I was being held at gunpoint and be like

871
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.519
where were you? Where were you? I might forget a

872
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.039
few descriptor words too.

873
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:16.760
You know, law versus brother one is considerably shorter to

874
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.480
explain yes or to say yes.

875
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.519
Or wife's brother, which is slightly shorter but still not

876
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.079
shorter than brother exactly.

877
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:27.599
So that was that was that moment where it's almost

878
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.400
like they gave us that little taste of camaraderie that

879
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.400
they could all experience together. And they're like, yeah, so anyway,

880
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:35.519
we're going to take that back.

881
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.280
Very likely it's not yours anymore. And things are about

882
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.400
to get even more intense when that doggie Stanley starts

883
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:48.119
barking like crazy because something is out there. But we'll

884
00:48:48.159 --> 00:49:04.280
get to that right after this. So as I brilliantly

885
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:10.039
and masterfully teased before the prey. They're outside. I think

886
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.559
they were just chopping wood like they they probably do it,

887
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.480
you know how many times a week, probably three four

888
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.239
times a week, and the need wood especially as it

889
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.719
gets colder, and it looks like they're heading into winter.

890
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.920
Yeah it's it's late summer, early fall or something like that,

891
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.519
like there's still leaves on trees, but like it will

892
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.719
be cold soon and yeah, long sleeve they're getting. They're

893
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:33.920
getting ready for it. And it was again, it was

894
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.519
one of those storytelling moments where you're like, oh, look

895
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.039
at these two cute little families trying to make it work.

896
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.599
Because the guys are all off, you know, chopping wood,

897
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.639
and the two moms are there like tending the chickens,

898
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.400
and Andrew is between them, like because you got to

899
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.960
look after those little kids. They'll get in trouble fast.

900
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:56.000
And then Stanley the dog starts like going ballistic, which

901
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.440
is very uncharacteristic. We start we see this dog a

902
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.960
lot in the in the movie, and like even when

903
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.440
Will was banging on the door in the beginning, Stanley

904
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.719
was just very quietly growling, just kind of that.

905
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.679
He was barking. Travis had to hold his mouth.

906
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:16.079
He did, he did to quiet down, but still the

907
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.400
most part the dog is very I wouldn't say timid,

908
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.199
just he's a country dog. He doesn't bark unless there's

909
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:23.719
something to bark at.

910
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.000
And Paul comes over to the dog to try and

911
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.000
calm it down and put I think what he was

912
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.079
gonna because it was on a lead. I think what

913
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.480
he was going to do was take him off the

914
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:32.960
lead so they could put him on a leash or

915
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.480
take him to take him inside mice collar or something.

916
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.239
But as he's trying to get the lead off, the

917
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.960
dog bites him. Yeah, it doesn't appear like super hard,

918
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.960
but he bites him. So of course Paul lets go,

919
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.320
and the dog just runs straight into the tree line.

920
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:46.840
Mm hmm.

921
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.360
So now because Paul is slower and you can't help it,

922
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.880
we see Travis just runs right after him, and then

923
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.280
Will sees what's going on, so Will chases after him too,

924
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.119
and they're going and going and going, and then Travis gets,

925
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.039
you know, very scared because the barking just stops.

926
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.599
Well, and it's it's it's more than that in a

927
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.679
little in a little way. With the atmosphere of this movie,

928
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:19.000
it has like nightmare logic to the fear because Travis

929
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.480
is running through the woods following the barking, and you've

930
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.079
got that new incredible Dolby atmost, so like we could

931
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:26.920
really hear the barking like going.

932
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.199
Through the one because that movie wasn't mastered in Dolby

933
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.119
at most, but continue.

934
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.760
The surround sound like it really really helped with it.

935
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.079
But so, so he runs and he gets to a

936
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:44.159
clearing and we can clearly hear with him there's barking

937
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:48.639
coming from a dead tree. Yeah, and it's barking, and

938
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.880
the barking gets louder and more frantic and then suddenly

939
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.159
stops right as Will gets into the clearing too.

940
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.840
It's very hard to describe because it's a very eerie experience.

941
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.880
It's looking at this weird dead tree.

942
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.559
And hearing barking behind like coming not emanating behind it,

943
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:10.400
but coming from the tree. And it again nightmares. That's

944
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.800
the kind of stuff that like would unsettle you in

945
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.639
a dream because your brain tells you now be scared.

946
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.639
Yeah uh, And they execute it masterfully. So Will comes

947
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.679
and he's like what happened? And all Travis can say

948
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.400
is like, I followed him barking, and the barking stopped.

949
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.679
Like the barking stopped. And that's when Will like stumbles

950
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.320
into the clearing or because he's got a bum leg,

951
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.000
and he's also asking, like what happened, and he gets

952
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.760
really upset with Travis. And that's where he says, like,

953
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:43.800
you need me to be the bad guy. I'll be

954
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.400
the bad guy, but you never run out into the

955
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.280
woods alone ever, never, ever, ever. And he's like, but

956
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.679
what's gonna happen to Stanley? We can't leave Stanley out here.

957
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.760
He's like, Stanley will be fine. He's a country dog.

958
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.599
He's gonna come back home tonight. We need to get

959
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:02.719
inside now. Yeah, So they all go back inside. Later

960
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:07.840
that night, Will tries to console Travis and and and

961
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.400
we start to see again the the the way it

962
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.079
plays out of how Travis is so much closer with Sarah.

963
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:20.800
We realize that Will want or Paul wants to be

964
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:26.960
there for him. He really does. It's just Paul cannot

965
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:35.000
physically drum up the emotional capacity to be comforting in

966
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.280
the way that Travis would would like.

967
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.760
I would dare say he shouldn't no, no, yeah, because

968
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.360
it would put them all at d Yeah.

969
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.440
He needs to be hyper vigilant. He can't he can't

970
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.840
sit down and cry about his father in law dying. Yeah,

971
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.840
because he needs to grant that grace to his wife

972
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.280
and son, Yes, so that he can protect them while

973
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.960
they're being vulnerable. So he he can't be vulnerable like that.

974
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.480
And so he kind of explains like, we can't go

975
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.840
out looking for the dog. He's a smart dog. He'll

976
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.760
be fine. I bet you tomorrow he'll be back at

977
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.159
the front door waiting for us.

978
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.039
And earlier he flat out said like, I'm not going

979
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.800
to risk your life for your grandfather's dog. Is literally

980
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.360
what like, yeah, because and which also tells you another

981
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.400
reason he's so protective of the dog, but also because

982
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.039
he's a third wheel to his parents as as awkwards

983
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.679
as to say, when there's no other world now we're

984
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.719
talking about before the other family, right, Yeah, when there's

985
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.760
no other world but your house, you're a third wheel

986
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.199
to your parents. Yea, or worse, one of your parents

987
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:39.840
becomes a third wheel to you two, which would actually

988
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.280
be way worse. Yeah, so for everybody. So yeah, he's

989
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.920
trying to comfort him, And there are a few really

990
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.559
great moments where Paul is telling his son, like what

991
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.480
what he has to do period. But he even looks

992
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.960
at him and goes, I'm sorry, I am sorry, but

993
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.360
we're doing this like you know, like I'm sorry, we're

994
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.559
doing this the end. So there are definitely moments where

995
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.519
he's trying to balance, to find a really good balance.

996
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:07.800
And earlier in the movie when they were trying to

997
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.519
decide what to do about the guy about Will before

998
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.280
we knew it was Will, there's a really great sequence

999
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.000
where they're talking about it at the dinner table and

1000
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.119
Paul does say to his wife, to Sarah, I know

1001
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.480
you want to believe him. But he doesn't say it

1002
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.559
in a condescending way. He says it in like I

1003
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.360
kind of do too, yeah, yeah, way. He doesn't say

1004
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:33.679
like I know you want to believe it. He's just like,

1005
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.599
I know you want to believe him, or no, he

1006
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.679
doesn't I know. He says, well, you want to believe him,

1007
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.440
because of course they do. They don't want to be

1008
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.280
all alone in the woods for forever, and they don't

1009
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.360
want other people to suffer needlessly, because one of the

1010
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.079
arguments for why to bring him back is that they

1011
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.440
have food, and it's more hands, it's more help, it's more.

1012
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:56.400
Yeah, because that's Sarah's point that kind of gets Will

1013
00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:59.400
on board with bringing this extra family is she's like,

1014
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.800
more means more people to help us defend ourselves when

1015
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:06.000
more people come, because you know more people will come.

1016
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.199
But here's the thing about that scene. I don't know

1017
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:10.320
if you remember this, but it stuck with me very

1018
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.599
very much, not only the first time, I especially the

1019
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:14.599
first time I saw the movie, because I've caught in

1020
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.239
the theater. It's a wide shot the three of them,

1021
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:25.639
and the camera slowly trucks in to the to Travis

1022
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.039
and Sarah and completely leaves Travis out of the side.

1023
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.719
But then eventually it gets only to Sarah. So it's

1024
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:37.039
almost like the camera is showing the break, like it's

1025
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.239
showing the moment that she wins discussion and how he's

1026
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:47.039
kind of symbolically pushed out of the conversation. And I

1027
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:48.960
thought that was a really interesting choice. There are a

1028
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.360
lot of really interesting choices, a lot of moments where

1029
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.559
the camera stays on one person the entire dialogue. Yeah,

1030
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.800
that I like because it's they're trying to tell you something,

1031
00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.719
and it's not just that they were running out of

1032
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.760
daily light when they were filming. Although sometimes that can

1033
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.559
be it too, and they were trying to tell you that,

1034
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.360
like this person's reaction and what they what they say,

1035
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:09.559
and how they react is everything to what the scene

1036
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.360
is about. So we're staying with them. So that's just

1037
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.440
one thing I wanted to point out that I really

1038
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.239
love is is that kind of moment where it's like

1039
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.039
you're kind of out of it. But there's also a

1040
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:23.480
lot of moments where I think Paul is very similar

1041
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.199
in feeling to his wife and his son, but he's

1042
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.679
not allowed tom like, he's not allowed to feel good

1043
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.719
about choices. He has to make the right choices, yeah,

1044
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:35.880
you know, and doesn't I don't even think he resents

1045
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:37.920
them for it. I think he just knows that this

1046
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:42.599
is what I got to do, period. And it gets

1047
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.880
it gets heavier from there, though, a lot heavier from there,

1048
00:57:46.960 --> 00:58:00.400
And we'll get into that right after this. All right,

1049
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:05.679
we're back talking more about it comes at night and Travis,

1050
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.639
the Travis character is worth diving into a little bit

1051
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:12.320
more because he is in some ways like the audience Yeah,

1052
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.400
well no, well maybe, but he's kind of the audience's

1053
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.719
perspective a little bit because we're kind of outside where

1054
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.159
he's outside of the decision making mm hmm, and that's

1055
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:23.719
a big one.

1056
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:24.480
Yeah.

1057
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.239
So, and he's kind of outside of the conversations for

1058
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.840
the most part, with very few exceptions. You know that

1059
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.239
little scene where he sits with Kim and they just

1060
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.519
have a nice human moment yeah, which.

1061
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.239
Was literally the first time he'd said more than two

1062
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.800
words yeah, which was so nice. You got to see

1063
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.280
what a kind and funny young man he actually is.

1064
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:44.880
Yea.

1065
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.440
But yeah, for the most part, a lot of what

1066
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:51.239
Travis does is hang out in the crawl space in

1067
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.400
the attic and eavesdrop on everyone else. And that's how

1068
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.480
we figure out like what is going on between his

1069
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.119
parents and how they feel about the newcomers, and then

1070
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:03.599
between the newcomers and how they feel about this new place,

1071
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.920
and like what's going on is a lot of it

1072
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.800
is just Travis being ill creep. We listen to everybody,

1073
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:10.440
and one of.

1074
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.679
The reasons he's being such a creep is he is

1075
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:17.280
in desperate, desperate need of escapism. Oh yeah, because of

1076
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:19.320
his we were talking about right before we came back

1077
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.480
on the air, because of his nightmares. And I love

1078
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:25.639
the way they depict his nightmares, because he's having these

1079
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.119
constant nightmares, and they don't end when he wakes up.

1080
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:33.400
They end a couple of beats after he wakes up,

1081
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.880
which I actually realized is terrifying to me because that

1082
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.039
is how a really scary nightmare works, is you open

1083
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.760
your eyes and you're like, I'm okay, and you still

1084
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.639
see it for a minute because it was so startling

1085
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.800
it doesn't leave you. And we get that from him

1086
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.039
with almost all of his nightmares, where you know, as

1087
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.719
to where most movies, somebody like sits up and goes

1088
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.800
and it's over, he says, and then we see the

1089
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:58.880
image again. It pops back on the screen like it's

1090
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.320
like a place right, And I thought that was an

1091
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.880
incredible way to suggest that he has like really upsetting,

1092
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.719
deeply upsetting nightmares.

1093
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.199
Like I would say it's verging into night terror territory

1094
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.280
at that point, probably because not only are the the

1095
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.400
images so pervasive that they stick with him for several

1096
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.960
moments after he wakes up, but they're so bad that

1097
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.599
oftentimes it takes him a very long time to get

1098
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.159
back to sleep, which is why he'll you know, he

1099
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.800
went downstairs and he had a conversation with Kim because

1100
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.400
he couldn't fall back asleep or like, while why he

1101
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.480
will hang out in the attic is because he can't

1102
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.679
fall back asleep, so he'll just hang out up there

1103
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.239
and kind of listen to the goings on in the house.

1104
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.679
And so this night, after Stanley the dog had run away,

1105
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.800
he doesn't even like, he doesn't even try to get

1106
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:53.360
to sleep really because he know, like, one he's distraught,

1107
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.119
and two he probably knows like, I'm just gonna go

1108
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.519
to sleep and have more nightmares, so why even bother.

1109
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.360
He goes downstairs and he's kind of walking around downstairs

1110
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:07.840
upstairs again who knows in this house so excellently done.

1111
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.400
But he notices that his grandpa buds bedroom, the door

1112
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.920
is a jar, and he sees someone in there, and

1113
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.480
he goes into this dark, creepy room and there's Andrew,

1114
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.440
the little child, laying on the floor just like kind

1115
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:27.760
of whimpering helplessly. So he wakes up Andrew and turns

1116
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.719
out Andrew was like kind of having a nightmare. So

1117
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.800
he takes Andrew upstairs to his parents' room, and then

1118
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.719
he hears something downstairs, so he rushes back downstairs and

1119
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:44.400
the camera follows him through the hallway and he stops,

1120
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.559
and then it goes and it focuses on the red

1121
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.559
door and it slowly zooms in and then we realizes

1122
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:57.199
realize as it comes into focus the door is unlocked

1123
01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:59.440
and slightly a.

1124
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.199
Jar, which is insane.

1125
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.760
Which is insane. That should not happen. So he runs upstairs.

1126
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.840
He tells his parents what's happening. They tell him, like,

1127
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.719
get ready, get your gear on. Tell everyone else to

1128
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.880
get ready and get their gear on. We're going to

1129
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:17.480
figure out what's going on. So everyone gets their masks on,

1130
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.320
they get their gloves on, they get boots on. They're

1131
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.760
all waiting in the hallway. Paul and Will go to

1132
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:29.280
the door and they go into that decontamination zone that

1133
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:34.559
the you know, the mudroom, and we don't see much,

1134
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.079
but we do see a heavily breathing, severely injured, bleeding

1135
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:45.039
and very sick Stanley the dog, laying on the ground whimpering.

1136
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:52.000
So they have some very tough but important decisions to make,

1137
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:57.920
and Travis is Travis wants to say goodbye to Stanley.

1138
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.239
And this is another moment where Paul has to put

1139
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:05.679
his foot down and say, unfortunately, I have to make

1140
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.280
the right decision for you. And if that means you

1141
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.679
hate me, fine, but you can't go in to see

1142
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.719
the dog. The dog's too sick. And to be quite

1143
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:20.320
frank like, as an as an older person, you don't

1144
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.840
want a young person carrying that kind of like trauma

1145
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.079
around in their psyche if they can help it. So

1146
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:28.800
like you don't you don't want to say it, but

1147
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.079
you also want to say like, besides, you don't want that,

1148
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.760
Like you think you want to say goodbye, you don't

1149
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.400
want what this goodbye is.

1150
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:36.960
Well, And he wasn't just saying that I want to say.

1151
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:38.320
He was like I want to see I want to

1152
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:38.880
see him.

1153
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:40.519
I want to see that he had sex.

1154
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:42.679
You want I wanted to confirm that he's right, And

1155
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.119
it's like his father's every right to be like you

1156
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:50.480
should trust me, yeah, like you should trust me because yeah,

1157
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.199
you don't want to see this. And I think that's

1158
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.239
an element of most of when he's trying to prevent

1159
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.159
him from from doing things, is like I don't want

1160
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:57.239
you to get hurt and I don't want you to

1161
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:03.159
get scarred. Yeah, worse than you already are, are you know? Deep? Btwes,

1162
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.000
he's very having a hard time with a lot of

1163
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.400
the things he's dealing with and anybody would, anybody.

1164
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.480
In the world would well, And there's because you mentioned

1165
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:18.119
earlier how sometimes during like deep the deep, heavy conversations

1166
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.960
in this movie, the camera will stay focused on one

1167
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:25.719
person so that you can really get absorbed into their reaction,

1168
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.920
into what is going on. And there is so many

1169
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:33.800
times where Paul is doing something or saying something, and

1170
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:37.559
you can tell that he's making a very difficult decision

1171
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.239
in the interest of his family. But we're looking at

1172
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.239
Travis and how the gears are turning, and we see

1173
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:50.000
Travis realizing that the person that his father used to

1174
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:54.559
be before the apocalypse is not who his father is now.

1175
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:58.280
Yeah. Well, and that's just the teenage experience in general too.

1176
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.880
Oh yeah, when you see see a parent as a

1177
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.639
as a human being. Yeah, yeah, that's a I think

1178
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:06.760
that might be what it was metaphorical toward. Yeah, it

1179
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:08.880
was this idea of like seeing your parents for who

1180
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.599
they really are. And and but in this example, it's

1181
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.159
it's a lot harsher because it's like he has no

1182
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.079
choice and it's either be this way or let us

1183
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:18.559
all die.

1184
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.599
Yeah, And so you can't be mad at him because

1185
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.440
you're still alive. But at the same time, there's a

1186
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:28.039
lot of reconciliation you have to do with the image

1187
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.639
you had of this person. Right, they're not living up

1188
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:38.880
to that anymore. So Paul and will take Stanley out

1189
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:45.760
and dispose of him. And you know, Sarah and Kim

1190
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.480
and Travis and Andrew, they're all like in the kitchen

1191
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.719
and when they hear the gunfire, like they're all shaken,

1192
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:59.480
and so they're all kind of in mourning, especially Travis.

1193
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.239
But you've kind of get that, you kind of get

1194
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.519
the feeling that Sarah was still kind of sad, and

1195
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:05.639
like Kim was still sad because they had to kill

1196
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.719
the dog. Andrew doesn't really care, but he's like four

1197
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.679
and he's still weirded out by his dream.

1198
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:13.039
I think Sarah cared most because it was something Travis.

1199
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.360
It was something like it was something for her son. Well,

1200
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.800
because Travis, again, like I said, the third wheel thing,

1201
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.000
when Grandpa was there. I bet Travis and his grandpa

1202
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:24.559
spent a lot of time together, because you know they're

1203
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:26.519
the you know, there's a married couple and then there's

1204
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.679
grandpa and grandson. And especially with his closeness to his mother,

1205
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.039
he'd probably be very close to his mother's father as well,

1206
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:37.719
just kind of a comforting thing. So it and another

1207
01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:41.360
thing I think this is worth mentioning Sarah is a

1208
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:46.119
black woman and Travis is mixed race m hm. And

1209
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:51.280
I do think that in some ways, like not Travis,

1210
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:55.880
but Paul. He doesn't look like Travis. And I'm not

1211
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.679
saying that that matters in a in a it doesn't

1212
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.920
matter in a literal or philosophical sense, but from a

1213
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:09.000
like guttural instinctual mindset, you are, you look different than

1214
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:12.360
your dad, and you look different, and your dad more

1215
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.639
so looks different than everybody else, which I think is

1216
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.159
kind of a valid thought too, because his grandfather, of course,

1217
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:23.159
was also black man. So it was basically three people

1218
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.199
who looked very alike and then Paul, who looks different

1219
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.480
than everybody and is bossing everybody around and making all

1220
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.679
the really hard choices and demanding things. And I think

1221
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.199
that that could be a very figurative element as well.

1222
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.039
So you can see that, yeah, yeah, because it's visually

1223
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.960
he's other. Yeah. Yeah, So I think that that may

1224
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.079
have played, you know, plays a role, or at least

1225
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.519
it's playing a role in telling us something as the audience,

1226
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.559
you know, because you look at it and it's like

1227
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.760
he's not He just looks different. And that's a very

1228
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:53.840
simple thing. But it's like it would be like if

1229
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:56.320
everybody wore white shirts and one character wore a red shirt,

1230
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.119
you know, Or is that one character different than everybody else?

1231
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.880
Am I supposed to be staring at that character? Am

1232
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:05.960
I supposed to be wondering about that character? So yeah,

1233
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:09.480
the dichotomy of the parent element is something that's really

1234
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.920
hitting me on my second viewing with you of the

1235
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.079
of the film, like that, there's a lot going on there,

1236
01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:19.640
like a lot. But of course the other thing that's

1237
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:23.520
going through everybody's head is what happened to the dog? Yeah,

1238
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:25.640
it went out into the woods and it came back hurt,

1239
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:31.199
bleeding and sick. Is something out there that's going to

1240
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.720
want more? Well, you'll have to wait until after this

1241
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:50.920
commercial break to find out. So now that the Stanley

1242
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.279
incident has happened with the dog, they've taken care of

1243
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:59.039
the dog's body, but now there needs to be a debriefing. Yeah,

1244
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.399
what has happened? How did the doors get open? That

1245
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:03.920
alone big question?

1246
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:09.279
Mm hmmm hmm. So the scene was set up beautifully

1247
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:11.840
because they're in the kitchen at the kitchen table, but

1248
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:16.560
it's it's pitch black except for one lantern in the

1249
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.720
center of the table illuminating them well.

1250
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.760
And it's worth mentioning it doesn't matter what time of

1251
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:25.560
day it is because every window is borded tight and

1252
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.319
there's no electricity generally speaking, in the house.

1253
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.960
So it's going to be dark either way.

1254
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:32.399
It's always dark no matter what time of day, which

1255
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.680
also helps to really discombobulate the audience.

1256
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.479
Oh yeah, yeah, because you're it could be, you know,

1257
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:41.279
middle of day in the house and you wouldn't know.

1258
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.079
So they're all sitting around and the two families are

1259
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.560
like on either side of the table. We're really starting

1260
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:52.520
to feel the division, and so they're kind of given

1261
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:57.079
Travis the third degree and they're they're pressing him to

1262
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.199
make sure. They're like, okay, so you heard something. You

1263
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.960
you went inside that room and saw Stanley and that's

1264
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.479
when you got everyone. He's like, oh, no, I found

1265
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.600
Andrew in Bud's room. I took him to your bedroom

1266
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:12.479
and then I heard something And I never went into

1267
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:14.319
that room. I never touched the door. The door was

1268
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:15.279
already open.

1269
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.079
Well, and he came from a very defensive place, because

1270
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.159
Will had said, like, so you're telling me that you

1271
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.720
didn't go in there, you open, you unlocked, you open

1272
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.720
the door, and you saw the dog and you didn't

1273
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.560
go out or whatever. He's like, you didn't touch the

1274
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.000
dog anything go through that room. You didn't go through it.

1275
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.720
And that's when he's like, no, no, it was You're like, no,

1276
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.359
I I woke up because I saw your kid, and

1277
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:35.880
he was like maybe it was your kid, And then

1278
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:37.800
Will is immediately not okay with here.

1279
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:41.279
He's super on the defense of like, well, he's four,

1280
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.920
he couldn't have even reached the lock if he tried to,

1281
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:48.159
and he doesn't does not sleepwalk. They're super sensitive about him.

1282
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.880
So, which one makes sense because if that kid has

1283
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.880
some kind of problems like that, you'd want to keep

1284
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.479
it tear to yourself so that you don't get kicked

1285
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.800
out of this good situation you're in. Mm hmm, because

1286
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.079
it is a really good situation. Yeah, you know, regardless

1287
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.960
of the lack of certain personal freedoms, you're fed, you're safe,

1288
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:10.840
you're you know, you're clean. That's a humongous win.

1289
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:13.640
Yeah, So you don't want to you don't want to

1290
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.760
risk that because your four year old gets up in

1291
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.359
the middle of the night and opens doors sometimes, yeah,

1292
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:22.680
or because they're awake and they just open doors sometimes. Like,

1293
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:32.560
So the tension builds and everyone gets increasingly accusatory. Travis

1294
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:35.000
obviously is just trying to defend himself that he didn't

1295
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.079
open the door, he didn't touch the door, he didn't

1296
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.439
touch the dog. But now the concern is if someone

1297
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.800
did open the door. Because there's no way the dog

1298
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.560
opened either of those doors leading to the outside on

1299
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.079
its own, someone had to have done it, which means

1300
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:52.439
someone has potentially gotten infected.

1301
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:55.760
Right they've been they've probably been exposed at the very least,

1302
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.520
and the fact that they're not willing to admit it

1303
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:03.399
or consider it it is for everyone. Yeah, exactly makes

1304
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.119
you well, because what have we been talking about. There

1305
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.840
have been all these little red herrings that maybe there's lies.

1306
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:09.520
Mm hmm.

1307
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.319
It makes it hard to trust because because.

1308
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.439
We've already been we've been conditioned to not necessarily believe

1309
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:24.800
everything that that will and Kim say, yeah, so to

1310
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:29.119
to kind of try and de escalate the situation or

1311
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:35.680
at least keep it from escalating. Uh, Paul says, Okay,

1312
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.319
the best thing for us to do is as families,

1313
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.239
We're going to quarantine in our bedrooms for a few days,

1314
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.880
take enough food and water for a few days. We're

1315
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:49.199
all going to chill out. We're going to make sure

1316
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:54.199
no one's sick, and then later on we can revisit

1317
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:56.640
all of this. We can we can have a more

1318
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:03.880
level headed discussion about Yeah. So they all agree, Will

1319
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:07.079
and Kim and Andrew go to their room and Paul

1320
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:12.319
and Sarah and Travis go to their room. And that's

1321
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:19.600
when Paul and Sarah realize there is an unfortunate but

1322
01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:25.720
very real likelihood that Travis has been exposed, but they

1323
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.000
don't they don't want to admit it. And he is

1324
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.960
very adamant that if he was exposed, it was from Andrew.

1325
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.640
So they all go to bed and this this was

1326
01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:42.640
I think one of the most effective of Travis's nightmare sequences,

1327
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:45.319
because he's starting to have a nightmare, and he has

1328
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.439
a nightmare about taking the lantern and going outside in

1329
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:52.880
the dead of night and trying to find Stanley because

1330
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:55.840
he can hear Stanley out in the woods barking, and

1331
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.640
he gets out to the woods and as he's looking

1332
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:01.680
around in the underbrush, he finds a gun, the hunting rifle,

1333
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:05.039
and the hunting rifle has a flashlight on it, so

1334
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:08.680
he picks that up and he starts peering around, and

1335
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.720
the barking is getting louder and more frantic, and then

1336
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.960
it's turning into loud cries and whimpering, and then it's

1337
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:21.479
turning into barking and howling and a woman screaming, and

1338
01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:27.640
the camera focuses in super tight shot on Travis as

1339
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:32.840
his eyes grow wider and wider, and his jaw drops

1340
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:38.439
and the loud, hellish sounds of whatever thing is in

1341
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:44.640
front of him gets increasingly more disturbing. And then he

1342
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.479
wakes up and he starts breathing heavy, and he's looking

1343
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.880
at his arms and he's covered and boils, and then

1344
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:54.640
he starts like puking blood out of his mouth. And

1345
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.720
then he wakes up again and his arms are still

1346
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:02.239
covered in boils, and he's like hyperventilating, and as he

1347
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.199
looks and he's scratching at his arms, all the boils

1348
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:10.119
go away. So he's had another nightmare. He knows what

1349
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:12.960
to do. He goes up to the attic, but as

1350
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.800
he's in the attic listening, Andrew is crying and crying

1351
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:24.439
and crying and coughing really loud, like hacking, coughing, crying, weeping,

1352
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:30.359
and he can hear he can hear Kim and Will

1353
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.920
talking saying that they need to get out of there.

1354
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:35.960
They need to get out of there now tonight, if possible.

1355
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:41.079
They need to leave. So he's got kind of like

1356
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:46.279
a decision on his hands, and he decides to tell

1357
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.680
his parents because it seems and it is it is

1358
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:52.239
important that his parents know that these people are going

1359
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:56.640
to be leaving under the cover of night. But they

1360
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.319
don't want to let this other family leave.

1361
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.520
Their arguments I get, I get they Basically he's like,

1362
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.960
why can't they just take their their share of you know,

1363
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:09.600
their stuff and the daughter and just go and and

1364
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.600
the mother's like, because they know we're here, and if

1365
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.640
they they'll come back for more. And people when they're desperate,

1366
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:20.239
they get bad. And I see where she's coming from.

1367
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:22.279
That that's what they're afraid. They're afraid that they're going

1368
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.199
to go off on their own, they're going to suffer,

1369
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.279
they're going to start starving, and then they're going to

1370
01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:28.079
come back and want to kill them for what they have.

1371
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:28.640
Mm hm.

1372
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.359
Because they can't cohabitate, so they've got to take it.

1373
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.960
But just keep in mind what she says though, that

1374
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:39.199
when people get desperate, they get bad, right, because that

1375
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:43.159
plays into how all the rest of this plays out.

1376
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:48.920
So so Sarah and Paul they decide to take action.

1377
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:51.600
They tell Travis, you have to stay in the bedroom,

1378
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.399
no matter what, do not leave the bedroom. We're going

1379
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:56.840
to take care of this. They get on their gear,

1380
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.680
they get some guns. They go to the hallway, and

1381
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.920
Paul starts knocking on the door to the family's bedroom

1382
01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.119
and says that he wants to check on them, and

1383
01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:10.760
they say, oh, well, actually it's not a good time

1384
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:14.560
right now. And you can hear you can hear them

1385
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.640
trying to like shush Andrew, but he's still like coughing

1386
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.199
a little bit and crying a little bit, like still

1387
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.920
making a little bit of noise, and you know, Paul

1388
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.439
obviously is insisting, like this is my house. I would

1389
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.119
really like to check on you right now. I would

1390
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:32.880
especially like to check on Andrew. And they're like, well, no,

1391
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.720
it's not a good time for him, like we need

1392
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:36.560
to get him down for a nap or whatever whatever

1393
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.720
kind of excuse they can get.

1394
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.439
He's trying to be. I mean, he says, like, I

1395
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:41.359
just like I'd feel better if I could just take

1396
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:44.560
a look myself. Yeah, you know, which is very honest,

1397
01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:46.359
which is I just want to look at your kid

1398
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.720
and confirm with my own two eyes that he's not sick, which.

1399
01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:53.840
And is also going back to Travis who wanted to

1400
01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:57.319
look at Stanley with his own eyes and confirm, like himself,

1401
01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.880
was my dog real sick. There's kind kind of like this,

1402
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:08.319
this this layers of understanding like how people are operating

1403
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:12.119
and how they behave in the human condition, but also

1404
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:16.159
all of that, plus there's been an apocalypse.

1405
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:19.199
Well, and there's a severe lack of trust between Will's

1406
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:21.880
family and Paul that's only in the gap is only

1407
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:26.399
getting bigger by the by that moment. Yeah, so now

1408
01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:28.800
we get into what is one of the most tense

1409
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.000
sequences I've ever seen in a film in my life.

1410
01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.800
I mean, just made me uncomfortable physically as well as

1411
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.279
mentally because it is a doozy and we'll get to

1412
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:55.960
that right after this. So as the door opens to

1413
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:57.840
the bedroom with Will's family in.

1414
01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:02.239
It, we slowly create opened the door like just part

1415
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:07.079
way so you can see his face, and then when

1416
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.720
he finally opens it all the way. He's actually got

1417
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.279
a gun. They don't they don't know where he Yeah,

1418
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:16.159
a secret gun. They don't know where he got it. Yeah,

1419
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:21.600
and that obviously the rift in trust is much wider

1420
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:27.640
now that he's armed. So Sarah's off in the shadows,

1421
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.840
she's like hiding around the corner with the hunting rifle,

1422
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.479
and Will is there with the pistol. And there, you know,

1423
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:38.840
they both got pistols drawn on each other, and you know,

1424
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.960
it's one of those old no, you put your gun down, No,

1425
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:44.359
you put your gun down. And finally Will makes the

1426
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.199
suggestion like, we really need to calm this down. We

1427
01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:50.439
need to have a discussion. So on the count of three,

1428
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:56.359
we'll both put our guns down. One, two, three, they

1429
01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:03.159
both put their gun put their guns down. And is

1430
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.640
that is that when Will Pistol whips.

1431
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.399
Him, Well, we'll we'll no. He pistol lipped him in

1432
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.319
the in the in the in the beginning, in the

1433
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.439
in the bedroom, when he made him stand in the corner.

1434
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:17.600
Oh that's what it was, okay, okay, yeah, And.

1435
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:18.880
They made it seem like he was going to just

1436
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.279
shoot him in the corner. So no, I'm pretty sure.

1437
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:24.239
This is where Paul paula just wrestles his gun away

1438
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.119
from him, That's what it was. Yeah, and it gets

1439
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:29.079
really Harry there for a second.

1440
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:32.119
So yeah, so, I mean it gets real Harry as

1441
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.119
they're fighting there in the staircase, like trying to grab

1442
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:38.720
each other's guns. The thing that kind of that finally

1443
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.239
stops the altercation though, is Sarah coming out from the

1444
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.800
shadows and pointing the hunting rifle.

1445
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:48.800
Well, well, we also didn't mention that Will made Paul

1446
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:49.960
take his mask.

1447
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:53.159
Off, that's right, and he made him come in the bedroom.

1448
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:54.680
Yeah, he was like, nobody's sick in here, take your

1449
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:56.680
mask off, and he was going to shoot him if

1450
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:59.319
he didn't, So he had to take his mask off,

1451
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:04.520
and and basically, you know, was like being forced to trust, yeah,

1452
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.680
to trust. So now, yeah, you know, the revealing the

1453
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:12.600
hunting rifle and everything, he wrestles with the gun. They

1454
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.720
end up, uh, Sarah and Paul end up kind of

1455
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.359
overwhelming Will and they forced them outside the house. This

1456
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.640
all happens very quickly, very quickly, once we're done with

1457
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:29.560
the long, drawn out, painfully tense stand off.

1458
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.359
And it's also worth noting that when Will is in

1459
01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.039
the bedroom and Paul's like threatening him to shoot him

1460
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:38.920
and telling him to take off his mask. He's also

1461
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:42.600
telling his son Andrew, don't open your eyes.

1462
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:44.479
Yeah, he's telling them keep his eyes closed.

1463
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.720
Keep your eyes closed, buddy, which is really interesting because

1464
01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.319
that's again one of the signs of being ill is

1465
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:54.760
having weird looking eyes or like eyes that look different.

1466
01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:57.319
So he's trying to make sure that no one could see.

1467
01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.000
I thought he just didn't see him shoot Paul because

1468
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.680
he was almost certainly going to shoot Paul.

1469
01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:04.199
Or it could be that. I mean, it could be

1470
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:04.920
either one.

1471
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.279
Well, the sense I got when he didn't shoot Paul

1472
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:11.359
was that he was yelling that at his son because

1473
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.880
he was fully prepared to shoot Paul. Yeah, he wasn't

1474
01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.520
planning to, but he was ready to. He was totally

1475
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.199
prepared to shoot Paul. That's why he also had him

1476
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.720
get in the corner initially, because when they're being forced

1477
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:26.600
out of the house, the first thing that Sarah does

1478
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.000
is make him stand in the corner until it's time

1479
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.479
to get the hell out. So it does make me wonder.

1480
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:33.960
I mean, that's a interesting point of hide in the eyes,

1481
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.079
but I felt like that was more he didn't want

1482
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:37.239
the kid to see him kill a man.

1483
01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:39.600
Oh, I definitely agree, And I think it's one of

1484
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:41.800
those things where, like the movie didn't give us an

1485
01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:46.239
answer because the point is that there was doubt of

1486
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:51.960
why he was instructing Andrew to not look. Yeah, yeah,

1487
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:53.680
I mean it could have been one of where both

1488
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.439
I tend to agree with you that it was probably

1489
01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.880
just so like his son, you know, his four year

1490
01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:02.439
old son wouldn't shoot see him shoot a man, But

1491
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:05.359
it also does place that seed of doubt in your

1492
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:08.239
mind as an audience member of like, was that the

1493
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:11.680
only reason or did he just not want anyone to

1494
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:12.720
see that his son was sick?

1495
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:16.000
I mean, for me, the moment he said keep your

1496
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.279
eyes closed, ball pointing a gun at Paul, that made me,

1497
01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:20.720
as an audience member, assume he was going to kill Paul.

1498
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.079
I just immediately was like, Oh, he's gonna shoot him.

1499
01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:24.680
That's why he wants the kid to look away, which

1500
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:27.800
kept me very tense. Oh yeah, so yeah, I thought

1501
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.399
that worked very well.

1502
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:37.000
Very well. So Paul and Sarah have Will and Kim

1503
01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:42.039
and Andrew outside, and they had Will, you know, kind

1504
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:50.560
of like standing away, and there's a brief moment where

1505
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:56.079
Will is able to get up and knock the gun

1506
01:23:56.199 --> 01:24:01.920
out of Paul's hand and overpower him. And you know, Sarah,

1507
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:05.520
she's got the rifle, but she's not a killer. So

1508
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.239
she's aiming the rifle at this guy who is beating

1509
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:11.760
her husband to a pulp, but she's not with a

1510
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.319
rock to kill him. Yeah, he's gonna kill him, but

1511
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.880
she's not quite ready to pull the trigger yet until

1512
01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:20.960
she sees him pick up the rock. And she sees

1513
01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:23.720
that Paul like was kind of reaching for a gun

1514
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.159
but wasn't able to get it. So she shoots Will.

1515
01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.520
I mean he hit Paul three times with that rock.

1516
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.159
I was surprised he survived.

1517
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:34.079
Yeah, I really thought he was a goner. But she does.

1518
01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:37.680
She shoots Will wants to get him off, and then

1519
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:41.279
a second time in the shoulder to like dispatch him,

1520
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:46.119
and uh, Will gets up, He manages to get the

1521
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:50.720
gun and Sarah books it with Andrew. She's carrying Andrew

1522
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:55.079
and she's running through the woods trying to get away,

1523
01:24:55.119 --> 01:25:00.960
and Paul takes the gun. He aims, fires, and we

1524
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.279
don't hear anything for a second, and then we hear

1525
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.119
her wailing, you shot my baby.

1526
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:07.720
Yeah, killed my baby, killed my babby.

1527
01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:13.159
Absolutely gut wrenching, and so she's she's there crying, and

1528
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.079
Sarah's kind of like taking it all in. She's looking

1529
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:19.079
at the dead body of Will. She's looking over, you know,

1530
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:22.439
a couple hundred yards away, at the mother screaming over

1531
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:28.479
the body of her dead son, and Kim just screams,

1532
01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:31.840
you killed my baby, you might as well kill me,

1533
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:37.720
and so well or so Paul does he just shoots.

1534
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:41.279
You and and I'm pretty sure she she just started

1535
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:46.239
saying kill me, kill me, like like in long, exasperated,

1536
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:51.159
guttural screams. Yeah. And then we realized that Travis had

1537
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:54.960
went outside and he saw all of it, this whole thing,

1538
01:25:55.119 --> 01:26:01.039
this whole ordeal, and it's uh, I mean, it's not great, no, no,

1539
01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:07.279
not a great moment in family time, but as he's

1540
01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:11.760
trying to kind of deal with the shock in his

1541
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:14.880
head that his parents killed these people who seemed like

1542
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:17.640
perfectly nice people. But then again, on the other side

1543
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:19.399
of that, they seemed like perfectly nice people that were

1544
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:23.199
about to kill your father, you know, with very little

1545
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.079
hesitation if it meant that they could keep their son,

1546
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:30.319
who may actually be deadly sick alive for twenty more minutes,

1547
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:33.399
you know, because if that kid is sick, then they're

1548
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.439
deluding themselves to the idea, well, we can make him better,

1549
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:37.399
because he can't.

1550
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:43.039
That's very clear, and that's where the movie throws. I

1551
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.439
wouldn't even call it a twist. It was just kind

1552
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:51.239
of an inevitability because you know, Travis is dealing with this,

1553
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:55.800
and then we see the next night he's waking up

1554
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.760
kind of feverish, and then we realize he's not dreaming.

1555
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.760
He really is covered in boils, And that.

1556
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:05.560
Would have been perfect to have put before the commercial breakstinger,

1557
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:08.720
But we'll tell you what happens, sorry, and how the

1558
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:23.319
film wraps up right after this. So, as Rachel gave

1559
01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:27.920
away before the commercial break, we've now revealed that Travis

1560
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:34.920
is indeed infected, and that he indeed went and saw

1561
01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:36.920
the dog. He was lying.

1562
01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:38.960
Oh do you think he was lying?

1563
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:40.880
Oh? He was definitely lying. He went and saw the dog.

1564
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.199
How else would you have gotten infected?

1565
01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:52.520
Well, the reason that I didn't assume, and maybe maybe

1566
01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.560
maybe the makeup just didn't do didn't do it for me.

1567
01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:59.920
But the final scene, the reason the reason I had

1568
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.960
questions about him visiting the dog is because the final scene,

1569
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:08.199
Will and Sarah both appear to also be ill, so

1570
01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:17.960
they would have gotten iilled from him. But either way, however,

1571
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:21.359
however he got however he got infected. I just thought

1572
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:25.039
it was very haunting that he was sitting there on

1573
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.880
his deathbed the second to last scene, and he's sitting

1574
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:32.640
there incredibly sick, and his mom was sitting there comforting him,

1575
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.439
telling him like, it's going to be okay, It'll be okay,

1576
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:38.800
You're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine, and then

1577
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:42.319
it cuts to black, and then it cuts to the

1578
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.640
kitchen table, which has become a very familiar of all

1579
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.720
the places in the house, it's one of the places

1580
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:52.119
that's very familiar, and it's Will and Sarah sitting across

1581
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:54.840
from each other with an empty chair between them, and

1582
01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.800
they're both, you know, sunken eyes, appear very ill, They've

1583
01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.960
got the boils on their arms, and just sitting in silence,

1584
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.479
staring at each other. And to me, I read it

1585
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:11.600
as kind of realizing that despite the fact that they

1586
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:17.199
did everything for their son, including killing other people, they

1587
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.159
still weren't able to keep him safe.

1588
01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:22.119
Yeah. No, I mean I think that both could be

1589
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:24.079
true though, I mean they couldn't keep him safe because

1590
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.039
he is just going to go do what he's gonna do. Yeah. Yeah,

1591
01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:32.479
because how did that door get open? Yeah? Why would

1592
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:34.720
the kid open the door? It doesn't make any sense.

1593
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:39.000
I mean really, why would he? And was the kid

1594
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:41.279
coughing because he was sick? We don't even know. Yeah,

1595
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.199
because kids cough, kids get coughs, kids get weird.

1596
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:47.560
Yeah, things, especially when they've been crying from a nightmare,

1597
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:49.960
like they'll be coughing all up a storm.

1598
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.119
Yeah. And so as the movie wraps up, this was

1599
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:57.960
the complaint that people had was there was no thing

1600
01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:00.960
in the woods. There was no thing coming at night

1601
01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:05.680
to kill everybody. And I actually this is one of

1602
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:07.399
my favorite One of the reasons my favorite movies is

1603
01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:09.800
because I actually won an argument with a random person

1604
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:13.439
on Instagram. And I would not I'm not the type

1605
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:15.399
to say I won an argument. I mean, like, he

1606
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:16.920
was like, man, it's a really good point, and I

1607
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.199
was like, holy craft did that just happen? Because he

1608
01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:21.319
wrote me because I posted a picture of my ticket

1609
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:23.560
stub and I was like all about it and he

1610
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:25.159
was like, well it didn't even deliver that blah blah,

1611
01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:27.079
blah blah blah blah blah blah, and like it markets,

1612
01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:28.399
it is this thing, but then it turns out to

1613
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:32.159
be this thing. And my response was, dude, you're just

1614
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:36.159
as fooled as the people in the movie. That's the problem.

1615
01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:40.359
The problem is they were always looking out for the

1616
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:44.000
next problem, for the next danger, for what was going

1617
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:49.079
to hurt them. But they had a perfectly good species

1618
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:54.359
ending virus spreading through town. Why are they worrying about

1619
01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:58.000
so many other things right, worrying about what's out there

1620
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.319
at night, worrying about all these things when in reality,

1621
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:06.279
there they had a real threat already. And as an audience,

1622
01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:09.000
we were being we were kind of being toyed with

1623
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.239
with this idea, like, what more do you want? There

1624
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:15.439
is an infectious disease killing every human being and possibly

1625
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:18.880
animal on earth, and you want there to be a

1626
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:23.520
monster in the woods? Yea. Is it's not enough for

1627
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:26.399
you that it's a species ending catastrophe?

1628
01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:27.000
No?

1629
01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:31.600
Absolutely. And I liked that though, because like I, like

1630
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.159
I said in the beginning, you know, you get this,

1631
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:37.600
you get this idea that it comes at night means

1632
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:41.319
that there should be an it, a thing, a monster

1633
01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:44.800
or you know, a beast or vampire, zombie something like.

1634
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.880
I kept waiting for zombies. I thought I felt like

1635
01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:50.039
this was going to be a zombie outbreak kind of thing.

1636
01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:58.359
But no, the it was just the nuanced, complicated, and

1637
01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:05.159
sometimes sometimes ill effects of being human.

1638
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:10.560
Yeah. Well, and and his need to wander, Travis is

1639
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.840
the problem. Travis was not being kept on a tight

1640
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:19.000
enough leash to protect himself. You know, it's like getting

1641
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.159
a male dog fixed so it won't wander far from home.

1642
01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:25.439
You know. That's kind of the way I read it

1643
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:29.079
was that Travis was the undoing of everybody because he

1644
01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:31.239
can't sleep. And that's not his fault. I mean, he

1645
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:38.439
can't sleep, he can't focus. He's struggling, and he values

1646
01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:43.199
what he values. He's a little selfish. Maybe because he

1647
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:46.960
was spared a lot of the pain. Maybe that's why

1648
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:51.000
maybe he should have, you know, seen his grandpa get shot.

1649
01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:51.760
Maybe he should did.

1650
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:54.319
Though his mom actually made the point in the beginning

1651
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:56.760
of the movie that perhaps he should not have seen

1652
01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.479
that because that's too much for a kid.

1653
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.920
But bear even to me, the putting the pillow over

1654
01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:02.520
him and shooting him, I felt like it was almost

1655
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:04.960
maybe or maybe it's the reverse maybe that broke him.

1656
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:05.880
I don't know.

1657
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:11.800
I got the feeling that, and this was just my interpretation,

1658
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.720
but I got the feeling that he began to lose

1659
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:20.159
trust in both his parents, but especially in his dad

1660
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:25.680
when he witnessed his dad shoot his grandpa, because he

1661
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:28.920
was finally faced with the reality of I will do

1662
01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:33.560
anything to protect you and realize that medicine is very bitter,

1663
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:40.439
and so he started doubting the mantra of I will

1664
01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:43.760
do anything to protect you because he realized that anything

1665
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:47.439
does mean anything. And so that was the break in

1666
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:52.239
trust he had with his parents, which being a seventeen

1667
01:33:52.279 --> 01:33:56.600
year old kid, you're already dubious of everything your parents

1668
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.880
do or say anyway, so it doesn't help that. Then

1669
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:06.399
they're constantly as a family going through these situations where

1670
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:09.960
he's seeing what kind of man his dad is when

1671
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:13.840
confronted with a threat like will and then what kind

1672
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.800
of man his dad is when confronted with a sudden

1673
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:22.520
loss like losing a dog, and he's realizing that he

1674
01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:28.359
doesn't necessarily like this world they live in of doing

1675
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:32.680
anything to protect you does mean like literally anything.

1676
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:36.720
I could see that. I also think there's a lot

1677
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:38.680
to be said for the fact that they would implicitly

1678
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:42.279
trust Travis MHM and then he would be there undoing

1679
01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:45.479
because they were so worried about the other people's.

1680
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:47.960
Yeah, they never never even realized.

1681
01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:49.920
Right down there. They were too busy looking at the

1682
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.319
threat from outside. They weren't busy enough looking at the

1683
01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:56.479
threats from within. But on the other end of things,

1684
01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:58.159
I mean, the entire purpose of all of this is

1685
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:01.880
so that your child can survive. So if your child

1686
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.159
is going to go get sick and die, then what

1687
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:06.960
are you even protecting anymore? But is there even a purpose?

1688
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.520
So it's definitely. I mean it's a dour ending. It's

1689
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:13.119
a very sad, very heavy ending, which is why I

1690
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:16.960
love it, And I love that that it makes you

1691
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.720
be paranoid the way that they are paranoid. That's that's

1692
01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:23.239
what I felt. I felt like the marketing was participating

1693
01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:28.079
in that element. I really do, Yeah, And I think

1694
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:32.520
that that's why it's so effective. It's kind of like

1695
01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:35.800
when I did Alone in the Ghost House, a found

1696
01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:38.680
footage horror movie. There's no ghosts in that movie, and

1697
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.840
that's kind of the point. I mean, like it's very

1698
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.479
it's very clear right away that like if there are ghosts,

1699
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.439
they're far detached from the main point of the movie.

1700
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.199
But I made the poster look like it was a

1701
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:52.760
ghost thing because that was the whole point. The entire

1702
01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:59.159
movie was about misdirection, so that you'd be surprised, not misled, surprised. Yeah,

1703
01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.039
and I think that's what they did with this film,

1704
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:03.840
I really do. I think they they marketed it so

1705
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.319
that you would buy into the story, which isn't a

1706
01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:10.159
common marketing tactic. Yeah, generally marketing is very separate from

1707
01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:12.279
the story, and as it should be. You can't get

1708
01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.680
across in one poster or one a two minute trailer

1709
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.520
what a movie is you need? You just get across

1710
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:22.800
what people will be interested in. Yeah, so that's my

1711
01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:23.439
two cents.

1712
01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:27.279
I like it, No, I dig it. And this one

1713
01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:29.600
when it when it was coming out, it kind of

1714
01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:32.399
flew under my radar. So I don't remember much of

1715
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:36.000
the marketing for it, but I did look at the

1716
01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.079
poster because you were like, yeah, you've got to look

1717
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:44.720
at it, and the poster is super effective. So I

1718
01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:46.560
like that part of the marketing, I guess.

1719
01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:49.079
I mean, I like, I thought, I thought it all

1720
01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:52.800
made sense to throw you for a loop. So you

1721
01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:55.800
wouldn't be ready for the real horrors that awaited. Yeah,

1722
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.840
and that was that was my thing, was the idea

1723
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:01.199
that it was from without it's from with it. So

1724
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.920
on that note, I guess it's time we wrap up

1725
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:09.039
our show. So I hope you guys enjoyed another episode

1726
01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:11.159
of cutting deep into Horror. I've been Enrique Kuto here

1727
01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.520
with Rachel Ordolfhi. Make sure to subscribe on your favorite

1728
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1729
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:19.560
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1730
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:22.119
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1731
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:24.039
If you have a recommendation for a movie you think

1732
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.600
we should watch, we want to hear about it. So

1733
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:28.279
anything you want to say, you look like you were

1734
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:29.520
ready to jump in there.

1735
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.640
No, okay, we want to watch more spooky movies.

1736
01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:37.079
Oh well, I mean that's not a heavy choice, so

1737
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:39.000
that's not a hard one. So I also want to

1738
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.479
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1739
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1742
01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:51.079
now we're out of here for now, so Please, whatever

1743
01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:54.640
you do, don't go out at night unless it's absolutely

1744
01:37:54.880 --> 01:38:06.720
an emergency, and we'll catch you next time. The FAS