Oct. 10, 2025

Cutting Deep into Horror | A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) — Wes Craven’s Slasher Masterpiece with Freddy Krueger

Cutting Deep into Horror | A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) — Wes Craven’s Slasher Masterpiece with Freddy Krueger
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Cutting Deep Into Horror

Halloween watchlist essential! We sink our claws into one of the most iconic horror films ever made: Wes Craven’s 1984 classic A Nightmare on Elm Street. Hosts Henrique Couto and Rachael Redolfi revisit Freddy Krueger’s terrifying debut, exploring how this razor-fingered dream stalker redefined the slasher genre and haunted a generation of horror fans.

Inside this episode, Henrique and Rachael share their first encounters with the film—late-night VHS terrors and the exhilaration of discovering horror’s most surreal monster. They break down:

  • The legacy of Wes Craven — how his unique vision fused nightmares and reality.
  • Freddy Krueger’s origins — a vengeful ghost, a product of parental sins, and an enduring cultural boogeyman.
  • Themes of fear and adolescence — how suburban safety hides lurking generational trauma.
  • Dream sequences & surreal imagery — why they still feel terrifying decades later.
  • The franchise’s evolution — from Freddy’s pure horror roots to his shift into dark comedy across sequels.
Whether you first saw it huddled at a sleepover or discovered it on late-night TV, A Nightmare on Elm Street still cuts to the bone. Join Henrique and Rachael for a spirited, insightful discussion that blends nostalgia, cultural analysis, and a few laughs along the way.

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Welcome to my house.

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Oh god, No, what's wrong with your face?

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What do you mean?

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You're all like? I guess I shouldn't have pointed it

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out those.

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No, no, please please share your.

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Opinion, your complexion.

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You know you want to go there?

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It's uh, how do you? How do you do that?

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I have knives on my fingers? That's right?

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Is that connected to the face thing?

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Okay? I tried to let that do and you just

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brought it right back. Let me ask you one question, bitch,

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Are you scared?

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Yes?

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For the sake of yes, I am very scared.

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Say it.

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I'm scared.

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Hi, I'm screwed. I'm Freddy.

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This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep

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dark secrets scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions

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are frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.

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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

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sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is Cutting

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Deep into Horror.

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Hello, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror. I am,

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of course, your host Enrique Kuto here with my Cutting

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Deep into Horror co host Rachel.

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Hey there, everybody, how are you, Rachel, I'm doing all right.

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Good, good good? How's your throat feel? Your voice feel okay?

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Uh?

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My voice nice?

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Yeah. I wasn't gonna say anything, but my voice doesn't

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feel like I've been talking into a microphone every day

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for twelve hours a day.

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Oh it's not twelve hours a day. You can't you

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literally can't do that. It just won't work. You'll have

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no voice.

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What's the maximum amount of time you can you can

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talk like.

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Without like a noticeable like massive decline and vocal quality.

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Probably four hours, and that's spread out over like ten

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or twelve hours because you have to take.

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Breaks, right and rest it and everything.

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and that four hours doesn't translate into four hours of

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recorded material, right it probably. I think the most I've

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ever gotten out of a day, a single day of

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like narrated podcast or audiobook or whatever is about, is

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just shy of two hours. And that was like really

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like the best I've ever done. Like I felt great

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that day. I had nothing else to do. It was

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when I was up in the Michigan cabin and I

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built that little sound booth. Yeah, I mean I was

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completely the only rule I had was that before I

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could wander around taking pictures in the upper peninsul of Michigan,

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I had to get two hours of audiobook done. So

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I did. But that was also all I did that

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whole day, other than goof off in Michigan.

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So it's a lot easier that way.

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It is, it is. It's a lot easier than here,

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where I have a million other things I could and

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should be doing as well, And I have to really

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try not to get pulled away because you know, adderall

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only does so much. It only works as much as

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you work it.

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Yeah, you got to put in, put in the effort.

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That's what.

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That's what. What's this, Winston Churchill said when he was

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taking amphetamines all day long. So but no, we're back

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with cutting deep into horror where now need I would

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say ankle deep in spooky season at least? Oh yeah, So,

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and we wanted to talk about one of my all

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time favorite horror movies and a movie that still creeps

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me out to this day, a movie that Rachel almost

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stayed awake through last night, A Nightmare on Elm Street

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from nineteen eighty four, directed by Wes Craven, Easily one

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of my favorite horror movies, my favorite horror movie individually,

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my favorite horror movie franchise, Everything about Ninemer on ELM Street.

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I am just all about and have been for basically

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as long as I can remember. I was watching those

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movies so un you know, unbearably young, because I had

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an older sister who was into them because when she

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was in high school. My sister was born in like

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nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine, so when she was

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in high school, Freddie was absolutely all the rage. Yeah,

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like that, everybody was into it. When I was in

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high school, Freddie was like some kids knew, Like there

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were kids who knew who'd be like, oh, yeah, horror

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movies are cool. But he wasn't a pop culture icon anymore. Yeah,

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you know, he wasn't on every he wasn't everywhere anymore.

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but I, to me, he was always everywhere because I

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had the vhstifs because my sister also got too cool

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for that stuff when she was like, I don't know,

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sixteen or seventeen. So I got all her tapes of Freddy,

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which were parts one through five, the original VHS's and

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I would watch part one. I had to like gear

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myself up to watch it, like amp yourself phone, yeah,

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because it was scary, and I watching it by myself

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in my bedroom on my VCR at like freaking eight

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and eight years old. So usually I would watch parts

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three and four. Yeah, those were my favorites to watch.

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They weren't too scary, but they were really fun. I

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wouldn't have horrible nightmares from them often. And when I

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was even younger, before I even got those tapes, I

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used to have all night movie watching with my sister,

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watching those movies, which, in hindsight, wow, what a loser.

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She was hanging out with her like, you know, her

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like eight year younger brother watching movies on Saturday night

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when she was you know, twelve thirteen years old.

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Wow she did not have many friends.

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Huh No, no she did not. But uh but m

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so I was watching them for a very long time.

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I really mean that. I'm not trying to be cute

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when it's like, oh, but what does those four probably

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was four or five like I probably was, and they

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scared the hell out of me. They made me afraid

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a lot of going to sleep. They also taught me

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how to abuse caffeine. I used to. In Night Brown

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Elm Street three, it opens with Kristen the main character,

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and she's trying not to sleep, so she takes a

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spoonful of Folger's Instant coffee and puts it in her

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mouth and then washes it down with a Coca cola.

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Oooh.

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I did that when I was when I was like eight, eight,

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nine years old. I did that so I could stay

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up later watching movies.

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That explained so much about you.

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Well, I mean, but like yet, I completely averse to caffeine.

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Now I really don't take take to it very much.

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You got it all out of your system.

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Then I stopped doing caffeine hardcore, like I mean, like

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I mean hardcore stopped when I was just before I

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was nineteen years old, really because I was into drinking

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coffee and energy drinks like I think, like everybody else

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was in our generation, like right at sixteen seventeen years old,

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and I used to I used to go one better

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because I used to go right when I was eighteen.

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I would go on these crazy long trips and sometimes

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I'd have to drive through the night, so I would

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I would make a tea like lipped in tea. But

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I would take like a big full stockpot and I

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would put like forty tea bags in it, and I

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would steep it overnight and it would turn jet black,

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like light couldn't go through it. Yeah, And like I'm

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pretty sure one swig of it was like a whole

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cup of coffee worth of caffeine. It was, and it

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and it legit nitimately tasted like medicine. Like it didn't

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taste good. It tasted kind of like niquil almost, like

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that almost licorice. It was so bitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I used to drink that. We called it Henny super

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Tea when I was because I used to always have

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it with me when I would travel, this big jug

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of it, and I remember I would share it with

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people and they'd be like, oh God, like, oh, could

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you should put some sugar and lemon in this or something?

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and I'd be like because I did that? And then

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I drank too much of it. No, really, like I

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drank so much I woke up. I was at a

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convention and I was pounding it all day and it

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was this big container of it. And because I had

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like I'd sugared it down and put some lemon in it,

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and I woke up in the morning with like my

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entire head dried out because it was just so much

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caffeine and I was pounding it and pounding it. So yeah,

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it was not my smartest move ever.

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And I'll effective, well, I'll.

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Complete the saga of my adventure with caffeine and then

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maybe even talk about night Bra and Elm Street right

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after this. So to wrap up my point about caffeine,

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So I was drinking this super tea stuff all the

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time because I outwardly hated how red Bull tasted and

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I was and coffee tasted bad, so I was like, well,

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this is even better than coffee. This is this is

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brutality in a cup and you are just awake. In fact,

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I remember I had a friend of mine took a

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swig of it and was just like, oh my god,

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and then they were like whoa, Like I could feel

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how much caffeine is in this, and I was like, yeah,

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if it gets any thicker than that, you have to

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cut it into chunks and smoke it. So I was

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I was a caffeine fiend for a hot minute there.

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And then I got my first job, like right before

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I turned nineteen, and it was in an office, and

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everybody in that office was like most offices, you know,

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was just very like not before my coffee, where's my coffee?

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I need the coffee, where's my coffee mug, where's you know,

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there's such a focus on coffee, especially in this This

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would have been two thousand and six, and I feel

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like that culture was especially big in offices. You know.

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Now there's cuig culture where it's like, not everybody's dying

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for a hit of caffeine necessarily, or if they are,

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they're getting it from like their monster energy drink at

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lunch or whatever. But back then or and so in

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the morning, they're wanting their cureig stuff, you know, They're

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wanting their fancy tea or their you know, carmel bachiado

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blah blah blah. You know, that's what they want. But

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when I saw how everybody was like a grouchy zombie

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and excused it because they needed their coffee, I swore

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it off. I'm not kidding. I remember it going through

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like brutal headaches and every I just was like I

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don't want to I don't want any more caffeine. And

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then I didn't have any caffeine for probably four years.

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Aside from emergencies like driving all night. I would have

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this all yeah, driving all night and have like one,

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you know, frappuccino thing or something. And now I'm in.

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I've been a very very sensitive caffeine for a very

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long time, so I don't enjoy caffeine very much at all. Yeah,

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it's a very exciting story. But to tell you all

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that is that my relationship to caffeine is directly related

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to Knightmroren Elm Street and teenager's relationship to caffeine is

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very important in all the Knight Barren Elm Street movies,

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and they're all trying to stay awake so that Freddy

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doesn't kill them. For those who somehow might not know,

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that's what a nightmare on Elm Street is about. I

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don't know how you could have missed that, but maybe

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somehow you did. But we're talking about nightmurare Elm Street,

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which you can see right now. I'm trying to find

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where it's streaming, I think because it was on HBO

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it's still there or not. But but uh, let's see,

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so it is on Amazon Prime. What why is Google suck?

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Like Google has gotten so much worse.

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It's not even trying. Well, you could definitely rent it

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on Amazon. You could rent it on Fandango. It says

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Sling TV with subscription, but that it doesn't say to what.

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So it's like, well, that's really helpful to what what?

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Am I okay? So AMC okay? So AMC Plus has

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Nightmare on Elm Street. Now that makes a little bit

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more sense. I love how I had to click like

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five things and it doesn't show that AMC has it,

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just that it has it through Filo. I really wish

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there was actually an effective place to find out when

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things are streaming, because there are a bunch of places trying, yeah,

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and none of them have ever really been able to

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nail it. So anyway, but regardless of all that, if

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you haven't seen nightmron Elm Street, that's bizarre. But it's

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about a killer named Freddy Krueger who is stalking children

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in their dreams and killing them. And if you die

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in your dreams, well you die for real. So that's

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that's Nightmarren Elm Street in a nutshell, and I was

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talking about how the first times I've seen it, like I,

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Freddy Kruger and Nightmare Elm Street is so ubiquitous it

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would be impossible for me in my life. It would

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be impossible for me to tell you which one I

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saw first and when exactly, because in my mind, Freddy

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Krueger has always been a thing.

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No, I mean not far off. You know. He does

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when you're sleeping, you know. But and he is clause

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so very much like Santa Claus. Very well done, very

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well done.

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I'm gonna pretend like I meant to do that.

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Oh I know, of course you did. Of course she did.

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But yeah, So that was my first time watching. It

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was forever ago. I don't exactly know, and I don't

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know if I watched the first one first, but the

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first one was always the scariest one, And it was

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always the one that if I had friends over from school,

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I would make them watch. I'd make them watch Nightmare

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one to scare the hell out of them.

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The scariest one. You gotta go with the scariest one.

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Yeah, And and I remember one time I had a

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friend who was over and I showed him Nightmann ELM Street.

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And when we started watching part two, I put on

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my Freddy Krueger glove like I'd hid in my closet,

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and I like turned to him and like did like

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a silly Freddy voice like you know, hey, da da da,

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and he screamed and ran out of my bedroom like

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trying to get out of the house. He was so startled.

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And then his and then he called down. But then

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his parents called my mom and were like, did your

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son show my son a scary movie? And my mom

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was literally just like grow up, like just don't don't

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let him come over. Then I'm sorry. The world's not

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the world's not the way you wanted to be, all right,

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that was my mom's response. So there you go.

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That sounds yeah, that sounds like you're well yeah.

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So, so do you remember your first time seeing thatt

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MANELM Street.

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I do, because it was with you. Really yeah, so

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it was actually like one of the first, one of

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the first horror movies that you showed me. Because even

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though I worked at Hollywood Video, which was when I

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kind of like really got to get into cinema, Yeah,

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I wasn't I wasn't really into horror that much. So

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aside from things like The Host, I was into. I

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was into uh Korean horror, I guess, because I guess

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there was like The Host and the Tale of Two Sisters,

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but I didn't really see a lot of horror movies.

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So it's you were the person introducing me to horror,

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and you asked which which villain I was like the

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most interested in, and I was like, easily Freddy Krueger

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because that seems like the scariest is somebody that can

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get you in your dreams. So you showed me. You

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showed me the Nightmare on Elm Street series.

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Oh okay, wow, I mean I think I remember that

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I was the first to show you, but it still

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just seems crazy that you, especially working at a video store,

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hadn't seen it yet.

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Yeah.

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So wow. Well, I'm glad I could be of service.

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But after this quick break, I want to know what

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your first impressions were. But that'll be We'll be right

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after this. So I show you Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Was it a I apologize, I don't remember. I don't

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know if I remember the details. Was it like, did

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I have the projector yet.

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Or no, no, you did not have.

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You just watched it on TV? Yeah, okay, I mean

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just on TV. I'm sure I had like a big game.

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Can It was a big screen TV. It was like large,

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not as big as the one you have now, No.

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No, what is I don't I wish I could. I can't.

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I can't. I can't have a bigger TV because a

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stand won't hold it without being mounted to the walls.

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If it's much bigger, so and I can't mount it

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to the wall, I'd lose all my storage for my

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Blu rays.

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So yeah, therein lies the conundrum.

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Yeah, and it would also be four feet further back,

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so then you're almost like losing the purpose of a big,

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bigger TV. But then I have one hundred and twenty

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inch projection screen, which a knight rynolal Street looked amazing

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on that new four K by the way, yeah, it

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looked green. I was very pleased with that. And of

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course we watched the uncut version, which is which is

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for the first time ever, was released on the four

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K disc. It literally, guys, don't feel bad if all

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you have is the Blu ray or something. It's it's

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like forty seconds.

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Yeah, it was not that much different.

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No, it's just more of the most bloody moments of

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the movie. So like when Tina hits the bed, it's

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and it's covered in blood. Originally there was a splat,

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like a noticeable splash of blood, and in the original

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version you just heard it and you saw Rod get

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a little blood on him, and then this version you

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see or hit it and you see it splat on him.

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There's more blood during Johnny Depp scene. It's just stuff

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like that's nothing crazy because nightmren Elm Street was not

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a notoriously censored film. Yeah in America, I mean or

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censor's even the wrong word, but cut because it's not

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really censorship, it's the NPAA. But also screw them. But no,

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the only film that was really of Nightmare on Elm

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Streets that was like beat to hell by the NPAA

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was Part five, really Part five there there supposedly the

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box set that comes out, it'll by the time you're

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hearing this, it'll already be out the four K box

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set and I'll already have it, thank goodness. But supposedly

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there's gonna be a remastered uncut Part five finally, which

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is something that we've been hoping for forever. There was

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an uncut part five on VHS, but for some reason

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it never made it to DVD or blu Ray huh. Well,

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I mean the reason is probably that they would have

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to recreate a film version because it was probably created

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from a tape. But anyway, so we sit down, we

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put it on the TV. What were your thoughts.

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I thought it was amazing because it was I mean,

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it was one of the first classic horror films that

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i'd seen.

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I mean classic as in the eighties, classic is in

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the eighties.

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Yeah, I mean yeah, I guess I could have rephrased that. Well,

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now I'm trying to think, like, what would you consider

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horror that I had seen before, because like that was

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mostly relegated to monster movies like Godzilla, Them.

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Oh them is a classic horror movie?

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Well?

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And is I'm just picking on you. It is a classic.

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I don't know how else you could define it. It's

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just also sometimes when people think classic, they think Dracula,

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the Wolfman, Frankenstein. But that's like literal classic, that's it's

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like the beginning of sound movies.

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Yeah. Yeah, so as far as eighties classic, that was,

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you know, one of the very first ones I saw.

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So it was a very scary experience, but it was

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also like a delightful experience to finally partake in that

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piece of pop culture that I'd missed out on, you know.

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H I think so yeah. I mean when I was

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a kid, one thing that would get me like a

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little bit of friends was that I had all these

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horror movies. Because some kids, that was like a big

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deal to get to see a Freddie Krueger movie or

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see a Jason Vorhees movie. That was a big deal.

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And I had them, you know, I didn't have to

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I didn't even have to rent them or anything. I

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just had them between the VHS tapes I got from

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my sister and the ones my Betty taped off a satellite.

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She would tape every movie off of satellite. My copy

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of Freddie's Dead, which is Ambonnel Street Part six up

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until the DVD which that that first DVD box at

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for Nightmarnel Street was incredible. It had an interact, It

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had a disc full of extras that were an interactive game.

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Then you unlocked the extras through solving puzzles.

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Ooh, that's fun.

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It was really incredible, and it like pushed the absolute

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limit of DVD technology. It was really really cool. As

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somebody who's programmed a ton of DVDs, I look back

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at it and I'm fascinated by it. Oh yeah, But

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but for until I got that set, my copy of

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Freddie's Dead was a VHS tape with a label with

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my aunt Betty's handwriting and pencil on the label and

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just said Freddy's Dead. So Betty loved her horror movies.

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I'm Betty was those who wouldn't know my great aunt,

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so she's more like a grandmother than an aunt. And

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she loved her horror movies, and she loved her bad

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horror movies. But she would never like talk about that.

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It's just you would you would find like in the

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Horror of the Blood Monsters, I found a copy. I

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found a copy of Horror of the Blood Monsters in

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Betty's little cabinet with like VHS tapes, And years later

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I actually found that VHS. That addition, because I have it,

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I bought a copy on eBay. But the funny thing

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is I didn't remember. I remembered the cover a little bit,

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but what I really really remembered was on the back

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a guy with horrible looking vampire fangs and fake blood

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that looked like it was like plastic on your chin,

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Like it didn't look like it was actually liquid. It

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looked like it was solid but meant to look like blood.

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It looked that bad, and I no joke. When I

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started thinking about it, I was like, that sounds like

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an al Adamson movie would because they were horrible. So

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I started looking at al Adamson VHS tapes. I remembered

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a few other things. It had a monster on the front.

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I remember that the tape was mostly white. So I

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started hunting and hunting, and sure enough I found a

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couple that weren't it. Then I found one and when

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I looked at the pictures of the back, there was

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the horrible looking vampire with the fangs and the blood

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that didn't look like blood on his chin. And that

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was Horror of the blood monsters. And it was an

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al Adamson movie. And not only that, extra points al Adamson,

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who was a king of schlock in the sixties and seventies.

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The vampire on the back was al Adamson. So there

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you go. But that was a funny moment, just going wow.

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So Aunt Betty had a Horror of the Blood Monsters

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vhs that you had to send away for.

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I mean, she's really wanted it.

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Yeah, but you know, she wouldn't like sit down and

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show you horror movies, you know, but she'd give you

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a tape.

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You know.

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She had satellite dish when that wasn't very common, so

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she'd pulled down all kinds of channels, so she was

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always taping stuff. She had a wall of vhs next

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to her lazy boy aw and she would just hand

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them to You'd be like, you like them horror movies, right, Rick,

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just give me one. So anyway, But so it blew

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your mind a bit, Yeah, it did. Was what was

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the thing that scared you the most or grabbed you

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the most, just off the top of your head.

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A lot of the the nightmare and dream imagery that

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they relied on really creeped me out, and revisiting it

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last night, I was reminded how effective and simple some

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of those scares are. So the uh, the scene where

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Freddy's kind of like pushing his way through a wall,

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I thought that was really scary.

463
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.559
I mean, where it's like the wall stretching, he's kind

464
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.000
of imprinting through it exactly. Yeah, that's that's an incredible

465
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:31.319
image and very very scary.

466
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.599
Yeah, that one, That one really got me. And the

467
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.759
stairs becoming like sticky and like sticking, you know, sinking

468
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:40.519
into the stairs.

469
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:42.240
Yeah, your feet going through it and it being full

470
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.480
of like bisquic, Yeah, be sticky gunk.

471
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:47.359
Almost like you're stuck in a glue trap.

472
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:47.799
Yeah.

473
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.799
Yeah, that one, that one really got me. And of

474
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:54.759
course the uh Freddy with the DeLong twisted arms.

475
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.119
Oh yeah, where Yeah it was so that you can't

476
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.680
run past him. His arms are extending from ten feet

477
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:01.160
each way.

478
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:01.519
Yeah.

479
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:06.359
Yeah, really bizarre images. I from what I understand, Wes Craven,

480
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.920
the writer and director of Ameralm Street had was a

481
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.640
very prolific dreamer. Mm hmm, and that was one of

482
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:16.039
the big elements that inspired the film. And we'll talk

483
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.319
a lot about that because Wes Craven is a fascinating

484
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:34.920
guy and nightmares in general. Right after this, so before

485
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:42.000
we dig in a further or cut deeper, So are

486
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.319
you a prolific dreamer? Do you have a lot of nightmares?

487
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:45.680
Do you have or have you had a lot of

488
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:46.799
nightmares or anything like that.

489
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:51.079
I have had a lot of nightmares. I had terrible

490
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:55.880
nightmares as like a young child into my teen years.

491
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.599
So uh, and this is I'm gonna sound like such

492
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:04.279
a big white bitch, but that's that's why I became

493
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.640
a lucid dreamer, so I could at least like get

494
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:13.480
out of dreams. I don't dream as much now, but

495
00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:15.279
every once in a while, all still that part of

496
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:20.039
you is dead. Yeah. Yeah, the the whimsy died years ago.

497
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:25.200
Now, when you say you became a lucid dreamer, do

498
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.319
you mean that you actively became one or just that

499
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.599
it was kind of you just kind of turned out

500
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:30.039
to be one.

501
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.400
I actively became one. I like did research on how

502
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:41.480
to uh, how to lucid dream and started practicing, you know,

503
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.559
practicing different different techniques.

504
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:49.160
Sometimes I would lucid dream as a kid, and my

505
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.720
big one was I'm not kidding. When a dream got

506
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:56.359
really scary, I used to imagine that I turned off

507
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:57.319
a VCR.

508
00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:59.960
Oh that's that's good, and I would wake up.

509
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.000
Yeah. Yeah, so that's I didn't have a ton of

510
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.880
really scary dreams, although I will tell you I had

511
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:10.160
one very scary Freddy Krueger dream. And it was Freddy

512
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.960
and he was like standing on this like this platform,

513
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.680
you know, like ah haha, you know, all his glory,

514
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.839
and it was like the net at Chuck E Cheese.

515
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.880
You know that you climb the net, Yeah, big white name.

516
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:26.319
It was like that, but it was over top of

517
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.720
molten lava and it was just like the lava was

518
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.200
just like rushing by. And that was the scariest Freddy

519
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.319
Krueger nightmare I had.

520
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.400
That is really scary.

521
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.720
It was a hell of an image. Yeah, But otherwise,

522
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:41.759
I mean I'd have nightmares. I'd have nightmares I was

523
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.440
running from things or whatever. But I was never a

524
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:47.839
very big dreamer in general. And the only times as

525
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.920
an adult I've had like super duper vivid dreams have

526
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.839
been when I've been on medications. Like when I first

527
00:27:54.880 --> 00:28:00.240
started taking zolof years ago, I had friggin' dreams out

528
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:05.240
the wazoo. Not necessarily nightmares, just dreams like constantly. I

529
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.799
was used to going to sleep and not remembering my dreams,

530
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.759
and all of a sudden, I was just like I

531
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.960
would I would nod off for five minutes and I

532
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.960
would remember my dreams like it was super weird. And

533
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.480
then when I stopped taking well that eased up. Anyway,

534
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.720
and then I stopped taking it, so obviously I didn't

535
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:25.400
have those dreams anymore. Now I'm on synthroid for my thyroid,

536
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.440
and a side effect of that, well, an effect of

537
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:34.039
having a hypothyroid is you don't remember your dreams. So

538
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.839
that's a very high simplification. But so the medication has

539
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.640
made me dream a lot lately. Mostly fine. Had a

540
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:43.599
couple of nightmares. Last week. I had a nightmare that

541
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.079
like messed me up for the whole day.

542
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.559
Yeah, that was that was a bad one.

543
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.880
But generally I'm fine. I'm fine. So you don't find

544
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.839
yourself having the big nightmares these days, no, not really.

545
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.559
Every once in a while, you know, life will get

546
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.640
to you and I'll have, you know, I'll have a

547
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.960
really intense stream or a stress stream.

548
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.680
Stress dreams are what I have. They're not necessarily scary,

549
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.599
but they're frustrating the.

550
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.720
Exactly where it's not like, oh no, I'm being chased

551
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.920
by something. It's more like, oh no, I just realized

552
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.839
that I've got to buy new tires for my car,

553
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.160
and so I have to sit there waiting in the

554
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.279
tire shop like the whole dream.

555
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.079
Wow, tough gig.

556
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:30.559
Yeah, it's not not too fun, poor baby. But yeah,

557
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.160
as a child, I would have really really bad nightmares.

558
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:41.160
And I think that's why the the stairs sequence grabs

559
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.880
me so much, is because one of the recurring themes

560
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.200
I would have is like trying to run away from

561
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.839
something or trying to get to safety, and like the

562
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.839
the ground starting to get sticky or starting to swallow

563
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.279
me up, So that that just reminded me of the

564
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:00.720
nightmares I would have as a kid, So it's super

565
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:01.839
effective for me.

566
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.519
That makes sense, That's That's kind of what I was

567
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:08.000
getting at, was, Yeah, if you had a lot of

568
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.519
nightmares and it reminded you of them. So an interesting

569
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.640
thing about Wes Craven is he I mean, he became

570
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.400
kind of synonymous with horror movies and he's a was

571
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.400
unfortunately lost him a few years back, man in twenty fifteen.

572
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:28.240
It feels much more recent. But Wes Craven was originally

573
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.160
a college teacher. He was a college professor, or maybe

574
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.039
he was a high school teacher who yeah, he was

575
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.200
a high school teacher who had dreams of making movies.

576
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.000
But it's so much more interesting than that because he

577
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:50.920
grew up in a very very devout evangelical Baptist family.

578
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.279
So he did not watch television or see movies until

579
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.240
he was in college. Oh wow. And he didn't read

580
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.200
very many books that weren't related to, you know, religion

581
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:10.000
and his faith. So Craven never watched movies through the

582
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.200
lens of anything other than analytics. Like analytically, I guess

583
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.839
the way to put it. Because he had no nostalgia

584
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.279
for movies. Yeah, he had no nostalgia for like, oh, well,

585
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.079
that movie's kind of silly, but I liked I've liked

586
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:24.839
it a long time. He didn't have any movies he

587
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.720
liked for a long time. He didn't have any movies

588
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.480
he grew up with. So he always looked at movies

589
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.680
very differently than most people. And when he made his splash,

590
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.680
before he was able to make movies, he was just

591
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:43.480
volunteering on sets and working on sets. Supposedly, and I

592
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.960
think it's true he directed a porno movie. Back then.

593
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.640
That was not uncommon, especially if you're on the East Coast,

594
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.119
if you could get because making movies back then was

595
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.000
pretty much the same no matter what the movie was.

596
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.319
You needed a crew, you needed lights, you had to

597
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.839
have a film editor, you had to know how to

598
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:03.119
do all this stuff. Yeah, so you know. But his

599
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.039
first film as a director was The Last House on

600
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:07.559
the Left, which I don't think you've seen.

601
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:08.200
I have not.

602
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:13.359
It is a very powerful, upsetting movie. It's loosely based

603
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.000
on Oh gosh, what is it called. I can't believe

604
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.880
I'm not remembering. It's like the there's this Swedish Spring

605
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.039
or something like that. It's an old story about these

606
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.000
bad guys who end up staying in the house of

607
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.279
the of the parents of the woman they just murdered,

608
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.359
not unknowingly, and the parents figure it out first and

609
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.920
attack them and kill them. Oh but that's like a

610
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.160
very basic concept of Last House on the Left. But

611
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.720
it's a very grisly movie. Wes Craven was very adamant

612
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.480
that if he's going to show horrific things, then it

613
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.799
should be horrific. So there's a scene where they like

614
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.759
murder somebody and they like cut their stomach open, and

615
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.759
then there's a two minute sequence of everybody just kind

616
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.119
of sitting there after they did it, just kind of

617
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.359
like living in the reality the bad guys ooh, including

618
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.119
like how are they going to wash their hands and

619
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.519
stuff like, because they're in the Woods, Like it's really

620
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:13.400
rough and very very smart and scary. So that was great. Then,

621
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.680
of course his big hit that was kind of a hit,

622
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.839
and then his other bigger hit was The Hills Have Eyes,

623
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.720
which is a kind of cannibal survival movie, also pretty

624
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.880
damn good. But he came up with a Nightmare on

625
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.400
Elm Street and really wanted to make it because, in

626
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.720
his words, the way he understood being scared was nightmares.

627
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.319
Because he didn't have books or movies or TV shows

628
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.400
that were scary, or even radio that was scary. So

629
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.440
the original horror movie in his life was nightmares. So

630
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.160
he had a lot he'd spent a lot of time

631
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.920
thinking about his own nightmares and what they meant and

632
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.480
why he was scared of them. I like that, Yeah,

633
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.119
I mean he's a really fascinating guy. There's he never

634
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.680
wrote a biography or a memoir sadly, but there is one.

635
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.279
There was one written by about him. I wish I

636
00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:59.599
could remember the title off the tome my head, but

637
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.279
I read it and it's very interesting. Yeah, he's a

638
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.480
very very interesting guy. And we'll talk more about that

639
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.239
and how Nightmre and Elm Street came to be. Right

640
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:25.719
after this, so yes, Wes Craven fascinating guy, super fascinating guy,

641
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.559
made a lot of really interesting movies. I know you're

642
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.880
a huge fan of Red Eye, which is one of

643
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.159
his later films that was really good, really shocking. He

644
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.800
had a very troubled career. He was always trying to

645
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.679
get out of the horror ghetto, as they like to

646
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.079
call it, because he tried to get so many movies

647
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.599
off the ground, and ironically enough, he had a horrible

648
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.920
time getting Nightmare and Elm Street off the ground. Everyone

649
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.360
turned it down. Oh really everybody did. Why they said,

650
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.840
in his words, why would anybody be scared of this?

651
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.880
If it's just a dream, That's what they would say.

652
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.239
If you die in your dreams, than you dian.

653
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.239
Really, they just didn't think that it would be scary.

654
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.159
So the way that the film ended up getting made

655
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.159
was he talked to a guy named Bob Shay who

656
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.519
owned a at the time, very small, very boutique distribution

657
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.599
company called New Line Cinema. And I'm not being sarcastic.

658
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.079
It was a little company called New Line Cinema and

659
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.480
they had had just a few modest hits with Evil

660
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.199
Dead and Pink Flamingos and a few other films, but

661
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.280
they had never had anything really huge. They had just

662
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.719
started having offices in California. I think, wow, that's how

663
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.440
early they were in eighty so, and this would have

664
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.199
been like eighty two or eighty three. And making nightmron

665
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.119
elm Street on a budget of about one point one

666
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.559
million dollars. It's important to keep in mind that that's

667
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.800
a lot of money compared to say Halloween with its

668
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.840
like one hundred and something thousand dollars budget or two

669
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.480
hundred thousand dollars budget thirteenth around the same two hundred

670
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.639
thousand dollars budget, Ayron Elms Street was a lot.

671
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.880
More expect yeah, I mean all the effects on everything.

672
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.480
Yeah, yeah. And it's just a much bigger movie, much

673
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.159
more scope and scale. And Craven had a horrible time

674
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.920
getting the money together, and even Shay couldn't just come

675
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.079
up with the money. He had to mortgage his home

676
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.159
and bring in some outside investors, and he was hustling

677
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.360
all the time to get the movie made. And it's

678
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.519
one of the reasons there are so many sequels is

679
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.840
that Bob Shay, because it was such a massive financial

680
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.360
risk for him, he demanded a lot for his money.

681
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.480
As far as the rights, the film rights, sequel rights, etc.

682
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:32.880
Go.

683
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:38.440
He demanded a lot, and famously he didn't pay Craven

684
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.199
his royalties, which Craven was owed royalties for all of

685
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.599
the sequels and stuff and suppose reportedly never gotten them.

686
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.199
So when they started talking to him about making nightbron

687
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.239
elm Street Part seven to bring him back to try

688
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.679
and reinvigorate the franchise, he had one meeting with Bob

689
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.519
and Bob said, like, I understand that I haven't like

690
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.119
handled whatever, so I hope this help, and apparently slit

691
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:02.800
him a check for an amount of money. Nobody knows

692
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.239
how much it was, but it was probably a lot.

693
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.559
And that because you gotta remember, we had Freddy Krueger

694
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.000
movies every year, and then by nineteen ninety we're doing

695
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.599
teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and by the end of the

696
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:16.239
nineties it's freaking Lord of the Rings.

697
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.800
Yeah, yeah, so Freddy Freddy kind of skyrocketed New Line.

698
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.039
Bob Shay used to call New Line Cinema the house

699
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:31.840
that Freddie built because unlike most series, and this is

700
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.639
very serious, like very for real, most films, the sequels

701
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.039
The benefit to them is not that they will make

702
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.519
more money. It's that they'll hopefully make the same amount

703
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.840
of money with half or even less than half as

704
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.159
much advertising, because the first film has established the market

705
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.320
the market for it, right, So it's very normal for

706
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.119
sequels to make less money than their predecessors and still

707
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.400
be hits. People sometimes think that that's not the case

708
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.840
because in really incredible exceptions like Knight, Brown, elm Street,

709
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.719
John Wick, whatever, each movie's bigger. But that's super not normal. Yeah, yeah,

710
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.280
so you can't hope that. You can't expect that to

711
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.800
be what your movie does. If you make sequels, you

712
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.119
can't expect it to be bigger and bigger and bigger. Well, Night,

713
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.199
Brown Elm Street. Not only was each film bigger than

714
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.360
the last, but then the VHS sales were bigger than

715
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.480
the last as well, to the point where they were

716
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.239
breaking records. Part three and Part four I believe both

717
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.440
broke VHS rental sale records entirely back to back.

718
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:35.159
Damn.

719
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.320
So it was printing money. It was making so much money,

720
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.239
And of course there was the nineteen eighty nine and

721
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.719
nineteen ninety Freddy's Nightmares TV series. There was so much merchandise.

722
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:48.559
Freddie was everywhere. And the thing that it's easy for

723
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.719
people to forget because of that is how scary Freddie

724
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.440
actually was in the beginning, because he did become kind

725
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:01.039
of a cartoon character of a child killing maniac. I

726
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.199
don't know what to tell you there, but that's the

727
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.639
way it is. So they would he had grown into

728
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.599
so much. But that first film was sincerely scary and

729
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.719
unusual in the best kind of ways. It reminds me

730
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:16.159
a lot of when we were talking about Evil Dead

731
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.960
last time, how Evil Dead spawned a series of films

732
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.400
in a TV series that were a lot more lighthearted.

733
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.320
But that first movie is so scary and so claustrophobic

734
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.559
and really is incredible to look at on its own.

735
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.519
And that's how I feel about Nightmren Elm Street. I

736
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.079
think I know Freddy lore backwards and forwards. I've been

737
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.719
obsessed with Freddy Krueger for forever. But when I watched

738
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.599
Nightmare Elm Street and take it as just the one film,

739
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.440
it's way more. It's very exciting, it's very scary. Yeah,

740
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.239
you know, if I don't if I pretend I don't

741
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.440
know about the sequels, then I can interpret the ending

742
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.039
a million different ways things like that. So that's my

743
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.239
you know, my whole rant. Wes Craven was a genius.

744
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.880
He made a lot of movies. Some of them were

745
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.199
really great, some of them were not so great, but

746
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.360
he was always making something interesting. Nightmare ELM Street, by

747
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.320
the way, its initial box office earn was fifty seven

748
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.440
million dollars against a one million dollar budget, so a

749
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:17.360
mild success, yeah, I would say so. And the sequel

750
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.199
did even more than that, really, oh gosh, yeah, and

751
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.880
they rushed part two. I like Part two. I don't

752
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.840
think it's it's that bad. It does have like the

753
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.800
gay subtexts, which I actually think just makes the movie

754
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.119
more interesting. But it was made for three million and

755
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.480
made thirty million, so see that was a little bit smaller,

756
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:37.119
although it was in theaters less long. But then Part

757
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.840
three they spent four point six and it made forty

758
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.239
four million, and at this point VHS sales were exploding.

759
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.480
Then they spent six point five on Nightmare Lmstreet four

760
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.199
and it made forty nine point four million. Wow. So

761
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.639
then the decline began with Part five, which they spent

762
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.519
eight and made twenty two and then Freddy's Dead, which

763
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:01.280
was made nineteen ninety one, where they spent about eleven

764
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:02.920
million and made about thirty five.

765
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:10.239
So it's a decline for the series. But if that

766
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.760
was just numbers for a movie, just any movie, wouldn't

767
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.760
that still be considered like a success.

768
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.880
Yeah, it would. It's just at some point you're like,

769
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.039
people are clearly getting tired of this concept. Yeah, so

770
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.440
if we keep like, do we just keep going until

771
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:25.159
we lose money?

772
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:26.159
Is that the goal? You know?

773
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.719
So then after five years they had Wes Craven come

774
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.679
back to New Nightmare and it was not a very

775
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.199
big hit. It was very well received, but it was

776
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.079
not a big hit. They spent eight million dollars and

777
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.639
made about twenty but of course HS was massive back then.

778
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.320
So but then, of course they're all dwarfed by Freddy

779
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.400
versus Jason, which cost thirty million and made one hundred

780
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.320
and sixteen million, But.

781
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.119
That had the power of two franchises behind it, so like, yeah,

782
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:51.119
well what's crazy?

783
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.679
That point I want to point out is Knight brehn

784
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.920
elm Street remake from twenty ten, which I was not

785
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.440
a huge fan of, although one of my favorite moments

786
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.840
in it is when they say, like we should just

787
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.840
meth to like stay awake, and then he's like, where

788
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.760
do you get meth? And he's like, I don't know.

789
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.679
They don't do it because they literally have no idea

790
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.320
how to buy meth, which is just a really funny exchange.

791
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.320
It cost thirty five million dollars and made one hundred

792
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.320
and seventeen million, and for some reason it never spawned

793
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.840
a sequel because it was actually very successful, wow comparatively,

794
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.639
Yeah so, but yeah, so that's kind of a rundown

795
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:26.400
of Freddy's history. The house that Freddy built. We'll talk

796
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.000
about the actual movie maybe if You're Lucky, if You're good,

797
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:45.159
when we get back. So, the opening of Nightmare and

798
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:51.519
elm Street is so brilliantly simple and iconic, much like

799
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.559
Freddy Krueger himself. It opens with these dirty hands and

800
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.920
a work bench full of garbage and he's making something

801
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.840
mm hm. And as we see him making something out

802
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:11.599
of metal and sharpening it, it's slowly revealed that it's

803
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:16.400
a leather glove with knives attached to it, and not

804
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.800
just attached, but attached through hinged metal, so that their claws,

805
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.800
I mean, they'll they have pressure.

806
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.760
You can, you know, yeah, you can really get purchase

807
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:27.239
with them.

808
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:33.840
And just that concept is fascinating to me. The idea

809
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:39.599
of the finger knives, It's just it's so simple but

810
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.559
so evil, Like who would think to make a glove

811
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.679
with knives on it to kill people?

812
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:46.719
Yeah?

813
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.840
Like why wouldn't you just.

814
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.559
Use a knife or a Yeah, it would be simpler.

815
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.039
Yeah, but he built it. And that's because Freddy is

816
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.360
is devious as hell. And I mean we find out

817
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.679
pretty early on, well not that early on, but Freddy's

818
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:03.400
a child killer.

819
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:04.039
Mm hmm.

820
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.440
That's what happened when he was alive. He was a

821
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.320
child murderer and he had killed potentially twenty children if

822
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.559
we follow just the lore of this of this film.

823
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.519
I'm not gonna dig into all the stuff from the

824
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.400
later movies. He killed potentially twenty children. But he was

825
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.079
released on a technicality because the search warrant was not

826
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:26.159
filled out properly. So literally he was to stand trial.

827
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.679
They had found evidence that he had killed these children,

828
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.000
and then he had to be let go because the

829
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.280
judge was like, I can't he This search warrant makes

830
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.159
all of the evidence in admissible. So the parents all

831
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.360
get together and they burn him alive. Some good old

832
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:47.159
Frontier Justice in the Suburbs. Yeah, because we as we

833
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.159
go from the making of the Glove, we head into

834
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.599
Tina's nightmare, which is a very great primer for the movie.

835
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.320
It's this, you know, young blonde woman in her nightgown

836
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.719
running around a boiler room which Freddie supposedly took the

837
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.480
kids that he killed to this old, abandoned boiler room,

838
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.440
and he's stalking her. There's all kinds of bizarre dream imagery.

839
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.920
There's a sheep running past her and stuff. There's just

840
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.159
all these odd choices that I can only imagine we're

841
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.679
actually in someone, whether it's Craven or somebody who he

842
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.880
knews nightmares, because it's so out of left field. I

843
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.079
can't imagine it being made up. Yeah, so what do

844
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.960
you think of this whole sequence where he's stalking this

845
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:35.559
young woman.

846
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:41.280
I think it's a beautiful introduction because not only does

847
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:46.639
it immediately prime us for the nightmare logic that we're

848
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.880
going to be following, it also gives us a great

849
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.000
introduction to Freddy, his backstory and kind of his motive,

850
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.280
which his motive is pretty simple. It's just be evil.

851
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.360
No, I mean, I mean that's and in this movie

852
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.199
in particular. I mean, he's that's really his entire purpose. Yeah,

853
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.119
he just wants to be evil. He just wants to

854
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.599
be terrorizing people until he kills them. M he's playing

855
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.639
with his food for lack of mit term.

856
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.360
Yeah, he I mean, he's very much like a predator

857
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:22.719
in that way, because a lot of the dream sequences

858
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.480
are very much a game of cat and mouse between

859
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.079
him and his next victim. But it's also a great

860
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:33.960
introduction to Tina and kind of sets us up for

861
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.119
the fake out later on because we kind of expect

862
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.519
Tina to be the heroine, to be the final girl,

863
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.280
especially because she's the first person we're introduced to. She's

864
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.119
the person that we kind of learn about Freddie with.

865
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.960
So I think it's it's a great way of introducing

866
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:52.480
the story.

867
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:52.840
Well.

868
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:56.280
And she's young and pretty. She's the blonde girl. She

869
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.360
has the look, she has a Hollywood look, you know,

870
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.760
the Hollywood look of a high school senior. Yeah, which

871
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.960
is you know, which would would be the Hollywood look

872
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.760
of a high school senior back then. Was like a

873
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.079
drop dead, gorgeous twenty four year old woman. And that's

874
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.639
one thing that's easy to forget because, like I said,

875
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.800
this movie has become so ubiquitous. Everybody thinks of Nancy

876
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.199
Heather langing Camp as the lead because she is and

877
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.199
she's incredible, But if you didn't know anything, it would

878
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.000
feel like Tina's the lead character. Yeah, because Nancy is

879
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.480
just here and there, here and there, and they cast

880
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.519
Heather langing Camp, which was brilliant, a brilliant move. She

881
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.880
looks like an awkward teen girl. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't.

882
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:41.679
She was about twenty or twenty one at the time,

883
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.920
but she just looked like she hadn't quite gotten out

884
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.880
of her awkward phase yet. She still had that kind

885
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.519
of babyface. I don't know how to describe it, because

886
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.960
she is a beautiful woman, but like she just looks

887
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.760
a little awkward. Yeah, And I think that that's so

888
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.760
perfect for Nancy, because Nancy is kind of an average

889
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.639
girl who at turns out is anything but exactly. So

890
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.159
I yeah, I think that that's That's something that I

891
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.000
always think about. So Tina, of course, running away from Freddy.

892
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.320
Freddie jumps up behind her. We get our first really

893
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:18.719
big jump scare, and she wakes up in bed screaming.

894
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.679
Her mother comes in and you know, she says, sorry,

895
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.039
I was having a bad dream, and her mom says,

896
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.719
must have been some dream and there are four slits

897
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:32.199
down her nightgown. Yeah, And her mother, because the parents

898
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.159
are all about not listening to the kids and explaining

899
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.480
away their fears, says, you got to you gotta either

900
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.599
cut your fingernails or you gotta stop that kind of dream.

901
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.280
And it's one or the other. And that's my favorite

902
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.400
thing about night Brown elm'street about all the films is

903
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.519
that the instincts of the parents. It's like, Mom, Dad,

904
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.679
I'll die if I go to sleep. And the first

905
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.400
thing is like, all you need is a good night's sleep,

906
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:58.000
and you don't feel better. It's like, what, what are

907
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.440
you even listening? Yeah, it's like, no, you you're you're

908
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.119
just freaking out over nothing.

909
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:06.159
Oh hormones.

910
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.519
Well, I mean that's not a horrible statement.

911
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:09.880
You know.

912
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.119
Hormones do do all kinds of crazy things to you.

913
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:12.880
It's true.

914
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.320
But there was a in Nightmare three when they're in

915
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.400
group therapy trying to figure out why they all have

916
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.920
this group psychosis about a guy in their dreams, which

917
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.000
they even say, like, isn't it weird we all dreamt

918
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.159
about the same guy before any of us knew each other,

919
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.800
and nobody seems to give a shit. They say that

920
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.840
in the in the yeah, but she says like, oh,

921
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.960
it's brought on by guilt and late in sexuality, and

922
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.599
kin K goes, great, now it's my dick that's trying

923
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.199
to kill me. Just the teens are so well written,

924
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.599
and even the worst Nightmare on Elm Street movie, I

925
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:44.480
feel like they're they're always captured pretty well.

926
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:45.320
Yeah.

927
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.039
But so so this is all based actually very loosely

928
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.559
on a true story. By the way, Oh really, that's

929
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.280
something I meant to bring up when we were talking

930
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:55.760
about Wes Craven, but I guess I could bring it

931
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:12.679
up now, well not now after this. So I'm going

932
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.800
to give you the very basics of the true story

933
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.880
as I understand it on Nightmare Elm Street. Because it's

934
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.119
been told a bunch of ways, there's not a lot

935
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.800
of information out there about it. I did an episode

936
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.880
of Terrifying and True about the Cambodian I think it

937
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:34.920
was Cambodian sleep deaths, and there really isn't that much info.

938
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:40.039
But Wes Craven said that he had had a he

939
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:47.440
had read a story about some refugees from Laos and

940
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.159
the among people from Vietnam and Laos. They were see,

941
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.239
now I'm making sure I'm not messing this up. Well,

942
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:59.639
they were Laotian for sure, okay, and they had escaped,

943
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.239
you know, horrible things in their home country. And suddenly

944
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.159
the young men were dying in their sleep. They were

945
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:08.840
going to sleep and not waking up, and there was

946
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:14.440
no apparent reason. And according to Craven, one of the

947
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.400
stories he read was that a young man had been

948
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.039
telling his parents like, I can't go to sleep. If

949
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.320
I go to sleep, I'm going to die. And they

950
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.320
were like, oh god. So he was like trying not

951
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:23.920
to sleep for days and days, and they were like,

952
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.719
this is getting bad because if you don't sleep, you

953
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.239
go crazy. So eventually they didn't know what else to do,

954
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.960
so they just kind of hung out with him, you know,

955
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.159
tried to act like things were normal, and finally he

956
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.320
fell asleep on the couch. So they picked him up

957
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:39.840
and took him to bed and tucked him in and

958
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:41.360
we're like, thank god, that's over. You know, once two

959
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.920
wakes up in the morning, he'll he'll feel a lot better.

960
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.239
And in the middle of the night they heard him

961
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.039
screaming and thrashing and when they got to the room,

962
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.920
he was dead in his bed. Wow. Now this I

963
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.119
don't know how true that is. That's what Craven said,

964
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.679
that that's what he read. But he said that that

965
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.880
was scary enough. But then he heard about how when

966
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.159
they were cleaning up his room they found under a

967
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:09.239
rug this extension cord that led into the closet, and

968
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.800
in the closet there was a little personal coffee maker

969
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.559
that they didn't even know he had. So he had

970
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.400
been secretly drinking coffee and forcing himself not to go

971
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:20.239
to sleep because he was afraid he was going to die.

972
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.519
And yeah, it was it's it's now the true story.

973
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.719
I believe it's like four or five people died like this,

974
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:29.440
which is pretty insane.

975
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:30.920
Yeah, that's still a lot.

976
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.920
And there's never been a full explanation that I've been

977
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.119
able to find, but who knows, there could be more.

978
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.559
This is obviously this is not the true crime portion

979
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.440
of the program. This is this is me just recounting

980
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.480
things that that Wes Craven said that inspired the concept.

981
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:47.400
So he came up with this concept of like what

982
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.880
if your nightmares were killing you mm hmm, And where

983
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:56.159
he got The idea for Freddy Krueger is twofold number one. Freddy.

984
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:57.880
There was a bully he dealt with when he was

985
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:02.239
a kid named Freddie and number two. One night he

986
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.039
was home with his little brother and they were upstairs

987
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:11.159
in bed, and he looked out the window next to

988
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:16.480
his bed and saw this drunk, disheveled vagrant walking down

989
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:20.679
the street and he just kept staring at the sky.

990
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.039
He had a he had some kind of a jacket

991
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:24.960
or sweater, and he had a hat like kind of

992
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.559
like Freddy does. And as he was staring at the sky,

993
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.079
the guy just looked over at him and made eye

994
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.440
contact with him. You know, little eight year old Wes Craven,

995
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:38.519
this old man just looks at him and smiled. And

996
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.239
he said that the grin on his face just scared

997
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.679
the hell out of him, like I'm not supposed to

998
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.239
be interacting with this man at all, Like this is bad.

999
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:53.400
And supposedly later that night he'd went he'd went downstairs

1000
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.079
or something, and if I murmur correctly, and that man

1001
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.760
was like standing against the glass in the door of

1002
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:03.480
his front house. But Craven swears that the guy intentionally

1003
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.880
scared him, like the guy was being a jerk, like

1004
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.519
he was just playing a joke on a kid. That's

1005
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.039
the way I remember it. It's been a while since

1006
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.119
I heard Craven say it. Tell it. If you want

1007
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.039
to know everything there ever is to know about Freddy Krueger,

1008
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.840
just watch them Never Sleep Again documentary, which is four

1009
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.280
and a half hours long. It covers everything every single movie,

1010
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.719
every detail. It's really fascinating.

1011
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:25.679
With four hour runtime, I would hope.

1012
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.199
It really leaves almost no stone unturned. I mean, it's

1013
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.079
nothing compared to Crystal Lake Memories, which is eight and

1014
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.199
a half hours long. So but so that story, you know,

1015
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:36.880
scared him a lot as a kid, and that's what

1016
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.239
kind of inspired the Freddy Krueger look, Okay, to look

1017
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.400
like this vagrant who played a joke on a kid

1018
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.519
at night was trying to scare him. And the red

1019
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.920
and green sweater came from the idea that he had

1020
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.079
read in a science journal that the hardest colors for

1021
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.840
the eye to see close together are red and green. Okay,

1022
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:57.920
so that just made him want to do a red

1023
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.519
and green striped sweater, which, of course then and I

1024
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.320
guess he hadn't thought that people would say, well, that's

1025
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.400
a Christmas sweater, but I so and one thing that

1026
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.800
does drive people crazy in this film, Freddy's sleeves don't

1027
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.719
have stripes on them in the first one. Oh, Freddie's

1028
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.840
sleeves do not have stripes in the first movie. They

1029
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.320
do in all the other ones, yeah, but not this one.

1030
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.199
But you don't see Freddie that much, so that makes

1031
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.800
it harder to notice. There are also people I knew

1032
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.559
for years who were adamant that Freddy had black stripes

1033
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:32.119
and that it was black. Not at all that one.

1034
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.079
I don't recall that at all. But yeah, a lot

1035
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:36.280
of people are just like, what do you mean he

1036
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.239
didn't He didn't have any stripes on his sleeves. They

1037
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.079
were just red. Yeah. But again, you never see him

1038
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:44.639
in like daylight. You never see him like clear as

1039
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.920
a day, as opposed in the sequels where you do

1040
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.920
so anyway, So that's kind of the basis of Freddy,

1041
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.079
the origin story, the origin of the concept of how

1042
00:55:56.480 --> 00:56:01.480
he looked and how he acted. Freddie played by Robert England,

1043
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.960
who just killed that role. I mean, he just did

1044
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:10.079
such incredible work with it. And before this film, Robert

1045
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:13.559
England was known for being on v a science fiction

1046
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.960
TV show, and then he became the most famous fictional

1047
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:23.440
child murderer of all time, excluding any biblical characters. So,

1048
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:26.920
and he was young guy. He was I think he

1049
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.159
was like thirty, that is young when he played Freddie.

1050
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.920
And Craven said that when he saw guys who were

1051
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:34.599
the age Freddie was supposed to be, they all just

1052
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.440
had like this gentle softness to them. But when he

1053
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.920
put Robert in there, Robert was just like, ah, he

1054
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.559
just you know, young guy, full of spunk. And he

1055
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:46.679
said that really helped Freddie be scarier. Yeah. Yeah, Freddie

1056
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:48.840
is very scary in this one. You really almost never

1057
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:52.559
see him out of the shadows, and you know, he smiles,

1058
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.440
he mutilates himself to scare you. He's just he's just

1059
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:01.199
a nightmare as a person, which is what I think

1060
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.840
is so great about Freddy Krueger.

1061
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.639
Oh, absolutely, because his entire personality is just to be

1062
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.480
as off putting as possible.

1063
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.599
Yeah. I mean he literally at one point in the movie,

1064
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.079
you know, Nancy says, who are you? And he just

1065
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.800
lifts his sweater up and cuts his stomach open and

1066
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.239
it lets a bunch of green goo and bugs fall out.

1067
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.199
That's his answer. Yeah, of course, there's that part where

1068
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:25.360
she says, oh my God, and he holds up the

1069
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:29.360
claw and says, this is God, which is a very

1070
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:34.360
Craven type of line. Craven loves stuff like that. He

1071
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:38.719
loved quoting the Bible in his horror movies because that

1072
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.760
was his education growing up. Yes, entirely that, because I'm

1073
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:45.159
pretty sure he lived entirely secular as an adult. I'm

1074
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:51.119
almost certain. So he just had very very interesting influences.

1075
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.199
So now that Tina's woken up, we meet her friends,

1076
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.360
we meet Nancy, we meet Rod, Tina's boyfriend, and we

1077
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.840
meet Nancy his boyfriend Glenn played by Johnny Depp in

1078
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.719
his feature film debut, although he had I think just

1079
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:08.440
come off of twenty one Jump Street or may have

1080
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.920
even still been on twenty one Jump Street at the time,

1081
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.360
and this launched his film career because it was a

1082
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.360
massive hit. And then he was in cry Baby for

1083
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.599
John Waters, which I think was booked through this because

1084
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.320
that was a new line cinema movie, and he just

1085
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.199
kind of catapulted from there.

1086
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:29.000
Damn but damn.

1087
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.840
As we're about to find out, Tina's not the only

1088
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.400
one having nightmares about the gross Man. In the dirty

1089
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.119
red sweater and the finger knives. We'll find out more

1090
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:40.519
about that right after this.

1091
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.800
So we've been introduced to Tina and her friends Nancy

1092
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:03.000
and Glenn, and and her boyfriend Rod. And her boyfriend Rod,

1093
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.960
who is he's kind of the bad uh, the the

1094
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.519
bad kid in Springwood.

1095
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.400
Yeah, which they don't say it's Ohio in the first movie.

1096
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:18.719
So yeah, they kind of leave, which is is fun

1097
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.159
because that just makes it, uh, it makes it easier

1098
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.719
for you to kind of insert yourself in the story.

1099
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:30.920
But anyway, it's just a very middle class American place. Yeah,

1100
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.480
I mean that's that's really what this place is. That's

1101
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.840
why the Frontier Justice is so fascinating because it's the like, bright,

1102
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:37.920
shiny suburbs.

1103
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:40.480
Yeah, it's not the kind of place that you would

1104
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:41.760
expect that to happen.

1105
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.559
In one of the later movies, uh, one of the

1106
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.840
characters says, it's just because you and your tennis buddies

1107
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.159
torched this guy, I have to die in my sleep.

1108
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.400
So yeah, it's great line. Yeah.

1109
00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:00.719
So yeah, so Tina doesn't want to sleep alone, so

1110
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.920
she has, uh, she has a sleepover that night and we.

1111
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.519
Start to well, well, do we establish that they're all

1112
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:08.559
having there.

1113
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:14.280
Oh yeah, because as she is explaining to Nancy the

1114
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.800
nightmare that she had the night before, the night.

1115
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.039
Before before, it is a hard word, I get it.

1116
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:26.280
Very difficult word. Nancy has this realization like I've been

1117
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.280
having dreams about this guy too, and Glenn kind of

1118
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.199
even chimes in and says like, oh, that's weird because

1119
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.599
like I've been, I've been having nightmares. Doesn't he say

1120
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:34.880
it at that?

1121
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.360
He says he's been having some nightmares, but he doesn't.

1122
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.960
He doesn't establish that he's been having similar nightmares.

1123
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.800
Just that he's having nightmares.

1124
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.519
Well, then when we get to the sleepover you were

1125
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.280
talking about, mm hmm, that's when we get the famous

1126
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:52.000
moment where after the after after hilarious scene where Glenn

1127
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.679
convinces his mom that he's at a sleepover at his

1128
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:56.519
cousins and he's at the airport by using a sound

1129
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.159
effects tape. That's really a funny scene, and it's that's

1130
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.280
a great example too. I won't I'm not trying to

1131
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.079
go on forever, but like of Wes Craven's sense of

1132
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:08.920
humor is very fun and odd, like the idea of

1133
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.519
him saying like, yeah, I'm standing because Yep, it's noisy

1134
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.639
as always living by the airport, and then it starts

1135
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.039
playing like a car crash and people screaming like.

1136
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:19.320
This, of course I'll call the police, no, I will,

1137
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:20.000
I will, yeh.

1138
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.880
It's so funny. But after that, like they're talking about

1139
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.280
why they're there, how she doesn't want to sleep alone,

1140
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.519
and Tina says the famous line, so what did you dream?

1141
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:33.360
And the music starts building up, and Nancy gives the

1142
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:39.039
first full throated description of Freddy with the finger knives

1143
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:42.880
and the hat and the dirty sweater. And that's when

1144
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.039
Glenn comes in because she says, you dreamt about the

1145
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:46.880
same guy I did, And Glenn pops in with a

1146
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:52.159
bowl of potato chips and goes, that's impossible. It's it's

1147
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.000
so good. It's so good, and I really nothing. I'm

1148
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.440
trying not to like commandeer the whole show. But I've

1149
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.960
just I've thought about these movies for so many years.

1150
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:06.320
I've watched them so many times. Literally, watching nigh Burn Elmstreet,

1151
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.559
which I do find to still be a very scary movie,

1152
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.760
makes me feel like a kid because I just remember

1153
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:16.559
so many nights by myself just watching these movies on tape,

1154
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:21.719
again and again and again. They're nostalgic, for you, beyond nostalgic.

1155
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:26.679
I mean, it's so nostalgic. So but as he says,

1156
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:32.239
that's impossible and all that. We hear the sound that

1157
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.639
Freddy does in their Nightmares where he scrapes his claws

1158
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:38.559
against metal. It's being a screeching sound, which I always

1159
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.599
thought was a really brilliant way for Freddy to like

1160
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:44.719
unnerve people as they scratches his claws on metal, because

1161
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:45.320
it's such.

1162
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.440
An unnerving sound in and of itself.

1163
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:50.880
I mean, I'm not doing it perfect, but you know,

1164
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.760
but they hear a sound that kind of sounds like

1165
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.559
that coming from out back. Glenn goes to investigate, and

1166
01:02:57.639 --> 01:02:59.639
it turns out it's rod.

1167
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:01.960
Tina climbing in through the window.

1168
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.000
Well no, no, they were out in the backyard. Oh yeah,

1169
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.000
Glenn comes in through Nancy's window. Later. Oh yeah, if

1170
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.199
you could stay awake for eight minutes, maybe you remember

1171
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.960
not gonna happen. No, when you were fighting falling asleep.

1172
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:16.599
I was like, this is just how I enjoy these movies,

1173
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:18.280
except it's later than ten o'clock.

1174
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.159
But you know, I'm old, But do you want from me?

1175
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.239
I don't know. I mean, you're four months younger than me.

1176
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.800
Where's your spry neess? Come on, get spry okay, O

1177
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:33.079
work on it? Okay, good No. But so what happened

1178
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.119
earlier is Rod got mad at Tina. He has a

1179
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.679
very short fuse. He's just he's just a kid who's

1180
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:41.079
clearly from a rough part of town, doesn't have a

1181
01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:44.320
very good home life, and Tina doesn't appear to have

1182
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.119
a very good home life either. So they're they're kind

1183
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.400
of famous for fighting and making up. That's their whole thing.

1184
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:51.039
Mm hmm.

1185
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.159
So when Rod shows up, he's a little perturbed that

1186
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.039
there's a guy and a girl staying with his girlfriend.

1187
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.239
He's a little ticked at first. Then, of course wise

1188
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.159
Nancy tries to smooth things over by saying, you know,

1189
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.920
it was a sleepover date, that's all. Glenn was just leaving,

1190
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.960
which is a lie because we just saw Glenn. And see,

1191
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:10.840
that's why it's a great piece of humor too, is

1192
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:13.960
it tells the story. It matters. We just saw him

1193
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.800
convince his mom he was staying at his cousin so

1194
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.639
he could sleep over there. But she's lying to try

1195
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.320
and play kate Rob because Rob pulls a switchblade. He

1196
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.519
also reveals that he had picked He had just grabbed

1197
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.480
a piece of like a gardening hoe thing like a hand.

1198
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.320
You should know what that is, you garden. The thing

1199
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:31.559
he was using to scrape and make the.

1200
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.840
Scrap I'm trying to remember what they're called.

1201
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:36.440
How would you not know you're a gardener?

1202
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:41.840
Come on, because I'm I'm bad, I'm remember thing.

1203
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:44.039
It's like a gardening But he was making the scrape

1204
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.280
traping sounds with that. That's when we get the first

1205
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:50.440
hint that Rod is having nightmares too because he did

1206
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.039
that because it was scary. So now Rod and Tina

1207
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.840
were making up in the bedroom, and a great little

1208
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.320
part where you hear them making love and we see

1209
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:04.159
Glenn laying on the couch sighing, and and then after

1210
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.079
they're done moaning, he goes morality sucks because he's sleeping

1211
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.159
in a different room than Nancy. Nancy is sleeping in

1212
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:16.079
Nancy in Tina's bed, and Tina and Rod the master bedroom.

1213
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:21.519
So now as things are calming down, we head into

1214
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:26.159
another nightmare. As Tina is sitting in bed and she

1215
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.880
hears little pebbles being thrown at the window to get

1216
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.440
her attention. When she goes over to the window, one

1217
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.119
of the pebbles digs right into the glass like it's

1218
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:38.519
being thrown incredibly hard. And then as she's looking out

1219
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.239
trying to figure out exactly what's going on, she hears

1220
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:50.280
a whispering voice. Ta, so so scary, so perfect. Yeah.

1221
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:52.320
And of course while this is going on, Rod is

1222
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:55.440
not reacting at all. And that's something that's been consistent

1223
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:57.039
in a lot of the nightmare movies. I like, is

1224
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.639
this hole Like in the dreams, people are just responsive

1225
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.840
entirely and not like unconscious. Most of the time. They'll

1226
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.000
just be like looking at something and they just don't

1227
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.239
notice anything that's happening to you, which I find that

1228
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.719
to be very scary and very isolating. The idea of

1229
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.320
being isolated in a room full of people, Yeah, very

1230
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.159
very scary. So of course, as you said last night

1231
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.519
when we were rewatching this, she heads out back in

1232
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.159
just a night shirt with no pants by yourself in

1233
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.440
the middle of the night to investigate, because you know

1234
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:28.719
your judgy, I guess, so you just think you're so

1235
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.119
much smarter you wouldn't do that. I think you might,

1236
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.400
but that's just me.

1237
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:36.719
Maybe once or twice.

1238
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.920
Fair enough, but she's going to investigate what's going on

1239
01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:55.039
right after this. So this is where, honestly some of

1240
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.880
the highest quality Freddy Krueger moments happened in the whole film,

1241
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.719
because as we see Freddie in a bunch of different ways,

1242
01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:06.039
obviously Freddie's stalking her as she's walking around, you know,

1243
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:10.039
a dream nightmare version of her, how her neighborhood mm hm,

1244
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.679
And we see what you mentioned about this strange man.

1245
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.960
Freddie's walking along in his arms are so wide that

1246
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.440
she couldn't possibly run past him. We see her run

1247
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:23.760
away from Freddie and run right into Freddie. We're getting

1248
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.679
all kinds of nightmare elements, her running past a tree

1249
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:29.400
and then him jumping out from behind a tree and

1250
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.119
the tree is only like two inches thick. Yeah, perfectly

1251
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:36.280
hides him. Nightmare logic stuff. What stands out in this

1252
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:37.000
to you the most?

1253
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:37.519
Is it?

1254
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:37.920
You know?

1255
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.000
Is it the what he cuts his fingers off or

1256
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.599
like what do you what do you feel like really

1257
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:44.239
gets to you in this because this is like I

1258
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:47.800
feel like, the most Freddie gets to play. Yeah, and

1259
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:49.599
we get to really see that, like in a nightmare

1260
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:51.280
kind of anything goes it's his domain.

1261
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.480
The two that really get me the most. I already

1262
01:07:55.559 --> 01:08:00.159
mentioned the you know, the long arms and him. I'm

1263
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:05.440
just kind of being able to almost teleport anywhere and hide,

1264
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.159
you know, hide behind anything and then just come out

1265
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.760
from behind something. Or like you mentioned how she runs

1266
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:14.920
away and then she immediately runs into him. Those I

1267
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.439
think are the most effective scares for me. They're the

1268
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:22.279
ones that really get me because again, they remind me

1269
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:25.680
so much of how things work, you know, in my nightmare.

1270
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:28.560
Now, what about when he tackles her and she goes

1271
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:30.800
to push him off, grabs his face and his face

1272
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.960
comes off. Oh, and there's just the skull with its

1273
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:35.960
mouth wide open and a tongue sticking out of it.

1274
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.800
That one's just gross. That really gets because of how corross,

1275
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:40.520
so bad it is.

1276
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.199
I mean, but him cutting his fingers off wasn't gross, right,

1277
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.159
And it's just fascinating seeing him doing things just for

1278
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:55.760
the shock value to the victims. Yeah. So, as he's

1279
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:59.119
tackled her down, we get into again. They really front

1280
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:00.600
load this. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff

1281
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.880
in this movie, but this is really what makes you

1282
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:07.159
stay in your seat. As he's attacking her, we go

1283
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:12.800
back to the bedroom and Tina's thrashing around Rod notices

1284
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:14.319
and he's like, what's going on, And then we get

1285
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:18.720
this creepy shot from under the covers and a silhouetted

1286
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:22.079
Freddie is like under the covers with Tina. And this

1287
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.800
is a big thing that Craven talked about as to

1288
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:29.359
why this movie is so scary, because it's one of

1289
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.399
the things that plays off of is the idea like

1290
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.479
he's alone with you in your bed. Yeah, And a

1291
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:38.399
lot of people have pointed out that there were elements

1292
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:44.239
of like virginity, like of like virginity anxiety kind of

1293
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:48.199
being played up. Oh yeah, And that was something that

1294
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.279
was so kind of in the zeitgeist of Freddy that

1295
01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:56.039
it was referenced heavily. At the end of Freddy Versus Jason,

1296
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.279
it's referenced a ton that Freddie's basically going to take

1297
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.720
her virginity, except he's going to kill her. But he

1298
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.840
keeps using double entendres that are referencing sex. Yeah, like

1299
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.359
don't worry. Everybody's afraid during their first time. And then

1300
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.800
he's like, but just relax. It does tend to get

1301
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:17.840
a bit messy, like because yeah, because Freddy's a dirty

1302
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.439
old man in your freaking bed, yeah, you know, and

1303
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:26.319
nobody can see him. So she then suddenly just lifts

1304
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.920
off the ground, off the bed rather after four slices

1305
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:34.359
go down her chest and she's just floating for a second, bleeding.

1306
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:37.840
Rod doesn't know what the hell to think. She is

1307
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.119
thrown into him. He gets knocked into the corner, and

1308
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.840
then as she's bleeding like crazy, she gets dragged up

1309
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:49.560
the wall up to the ceiling. Whereas she's dying, and

1310
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.680
it's by nobody. You don't see Freddy doing it, Yeah,

1311
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:56.359
you just see her being dragged on her own. Rod

1312
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:58.560
is just sitting there like screaming and reaching for her.

1313
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:02.439
She reaches for him and then she drops hits the bed,

1314
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:07.279
splashes blood on him, blood everywhere everywhere. And while all

1315
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.520
this is happening, Nancy and Glenn are trying to get

1316
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:11.119
into the bedroom. They're like pounding on the door and

1317
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.079
it won't open, and when they finally burst it open,

1318
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:20.640
there's blood everywhere. Tina's dead and Rod is nowhere to

1319
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.119
be found. The window is left open, which is very ominous.

1320
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:31.359
And this is all really clever storytelling because Rod is

1321
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.680
kind of the odd man out. He doesn't really fit

1322
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:40.520
in with this group of kids, so he knows that, like,

1323
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:44.479
if he sticks around, somebody's gonna, you know, they're gonna

1324
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.039
nail his ass. They're just gonna nail his ass. And

1325
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.319
that's exactly what happens when we find out that Nancy's

1326
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.680
father is the police sheriff.

1327
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:56.119
Yeah, I think the lieutenant lieutenant.

1328
01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:56.039
Something like that.

1329
01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:56.319
Yeah.

1330
01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.880
Yeah, he's one of the main guys at the UH,

1331
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.840
at the police department, and he mentions that Rod has

1332
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:07.760
been busted for petty petty larceny and getting into fights

1333
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:10.600
and stuff like that. But Nancy's adam it. She's like,

1334
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:12.479
but it was never that serious, and her parents are

1335
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.680
just not really listening to her because her mother even says,

1336
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:20.119
I I guess I find murder to be very serious,

1337
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:22.159
and it's like, that's not.

1338
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:22.760
What she was saying.

1339
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:24.840
She wasn't saying this was a fight. She's saying that

1340
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:27.479
their fights aren't serious. This is nothing like when they fight.

1341
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.199
Yeah, this is when you really start to feel like

1342
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:35.159
anytime they talk to the adults, the adult adults do

1343
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:39.319
everything in their power to purposefully misunderstand or misconstrue what

1344
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.760
they're saying. Yeah, because yeah, Nancy kept as they're as

1345
01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.640
not really interrogating her, but questioning her about Rod. She's

1346
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.319
just insisting like, yeah, their fights were never that serious. Uh,

1347
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:52.880
and they take it every which way except that.

1348
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.199
Yeah, she's trying to say that this is a surprise, Yeah,

1349
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:01.560
because they're uncharacteristic. Yeah, and it does. I mean, Rod

1350
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:03.680
doesn't seem I mean, he seems like he's mostly just

1351
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:07.199
really insecure and and like threatens violence because he just

1352
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.359
wants to feel respected, you know. Yeah, he's just a

1353
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:16.119
really insecure kid. Yeah, sough. But yeah. So so now

1354
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:19.039
we get to now that we've discovered Nancy as the

1355
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.920
main character, we go home with her. Her mom is

1356
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:24.039
there in the morning, telling her like, oh, you shouldn't

1357
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.600
go to school. She insists on going to school, saying

1358
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.359
that she'll just go crazy if she sits around the house.

1359
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.800
She's also chugging a glass of coffee.

1360
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.000
And her mom's like, you don't need that.

1361
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:35.680
Well, and her mom's like, did you get any sleep

1362
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.960
last night? And she's like, I'll sleep in study hall,

1363
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:44.520
which is true. So but and we start to notice

1364
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.359
immediately something is a little off with her mother. Mm hm.

1365
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:49.760
And as we'll find we find out very quickly her

1366
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:54.000
mom's drunk. Her mom is constantly pounding bottle after bottle

1367
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.479
of vodka. Yeah, and her dad is never at the house.

1368
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:04.079
So clearly there's something you know, not going well in

1369
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:08.439
the Nancy Thompson household. Mm hmm, and her mom is yeah,

1370
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.600
it's just kind of blitzed and just kind of repeating

1371
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.239
the same things, saying, oh, you know, you'll be fine,

1372
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.000
you just need to get some well. And the cruel

1373
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:22.279
irony is that is usually what cures things that have

1374
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:23.680
no cure.

1375
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.720
Yeah, you know, oh you have a cold, Well, just

1376
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:27.479
sleep it off.

1377
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:31.920
Drink water and rest. That's it. And it's the same thing, Oh,

1378
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.159
you know your best friend died, like you need to

1379
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:36.960
you know, rest, you need to you know, cry it

1380
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:38.760
out and rest. The only thing that's going to make

1381
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:42.239
it make you feel better is days going by. But

1382
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:44.319
in this case, it's like every time you go to sleep,

1383
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:49.159
you're rolling the dice to die. So it's pretty cool

1384
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.720
because like, I mean, I could I have a lot

1385
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.319
and I will get to it to say about the

1386
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.720
parents at night run Elm Street, and there's a lot

1387
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:58.800
of negative things to say, but generally speaking, it's like

1388
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:03.079
a you know, a perfect Uno card to say, like,

1389
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.920
you just need some rest. Usually when we're at our worst,

1390
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:10.079
we do just need some rest. Yeah. Yeah, when I

1391
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:12.399
decide I need to solve all the problems in the world,

1392
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.439
it's usually around one am when I should just go

1393
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:20.640
to bed. So now Nancy's heading to school, but someone

1394
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:25.039
is following her and we'll find out who after this.

1395
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:43.079
So as Nancy is noticing someone's following her, she gets

1396
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:47.159
tackled and pulled behind a bush by Rod, who's basically

1397
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.520
trying to tell her I didn't do it, and Nancy

1398
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.880
immediately believes her, although she is challenging to him. She's

1399
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:55.600
kind of like, well, you were the only one there.

1400
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.880
He's like, I didn't do it. Turns out the cops

1401
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.479
come out. They apper hend him, and Nancy is livid

1402
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.560
because her father used her. That's her exactly where she

1403
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:07.840
used me, And he's like, what the hell were you

1404
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:12.680
doing going to school today anyway, which also suggests a

1405
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.159
solid lack of parental synergy, which we were talking about

1406
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:22.159
before between him and his wife. So things are getting

1407
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:26.239
really wild now. Nancy has become convinced her dreams have

1408
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:29.399
something to do with all of this. Yeah, and the

1409
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.239
only person she can confide in because her father is

1410
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:36.920
too busy, you know, medicating with work, and her mother's

1411
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:41.079
too busy medicating with vodka. Is Glenn, her boyfriend, who

1412
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.600
does seem to be a very sensitive, honest guy, and

1413
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.159
we discover that he comes in by climbing, by climbing

1414
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.000
a trellis to get into her bedroom. But yet there's

1415
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.800
no hanky panky. There's a very clear element to that,

1416
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.840
to that that you know that they have not gone

1417
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.520
any any you know, having on all the way to

1418
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.600
go back to a high school. Yeah, euphemism, but she

1419
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:08.880
tells him like, I think something's going on in my dreams.

1420
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.560
He's try he's at first he's dismissive, but when she

1421
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.079
says she's serious, he does take her as seriously as

1422
01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:18.359
he can. She asks him to do one favor and

1423
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.000
just be there, be her backup.

1424
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:23.279
Yeah, be there while she sleeps.

1425
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.760
You spoiled it. But yeah, because we don't know that

1426
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.319
she's going to sleep, because because the next part is

1427
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:31.159
she's walking down the street, we don't know. It's a dream.

1428
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.600
But nice job. I mean, hopefully if they're all, if

1429
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:36.520
they're listening, they should have already seen the damn movie.

1430
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:40.920
But so she's walking down the street and she asks

1431
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:42.680
if if he's there, and he pops out from behind

1432
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.720
a tree and says like, yeah, I'm doing what you said.

1433
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:51.439
So she goes by the jailhouse and sees all kinds

1434
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.760
of creepy shit. She sees she's being haunted by Tina

1435
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.239
in a body bag a few different times. We had

1436
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.079
that one where she was at school MM, which we

1437
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:02.680
kind of glossed her because there's a lot to talk

1438
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:04.840
about in this movie and I have I'm too busy

1439
01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.640
talking about like my relationship with caffeine to get into it.

1440
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.439
But so she again sees Tina in a body bag,

1441
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:13.640
but this time a centipede crawls out of her mouth

1442
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.920
and there's this pile of like writhing eels in front

1443
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.199
of her. It's very creepy stuff, very Nightmary stuff. So

1444
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:24.720
then she looks in through the window to the jail

1445
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:29.039
cell and sees Rod sleeping as Freddie walks through the

1446
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:33.319
bars and just kind of smiles at her as he's

1447
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:38.359
going to likely kill Rod, as he kills everybody. She

1448
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:43.239
wakes up suddenly because her alarm goes off and reveals

1449
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:46.000
that Glenn is asleep in the chair next to her

1450
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:48.319
bed and she that's when she reveals that like all

1451
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:50.880
she asked was that he stay awake and watch her

1452
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:52.720
and wake her up if he thought she was having

1453
01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:56.840
a nightmare. As they're talking, she realizes Glenn, you know,

1454
01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:59.439
Glenn's in danger. So they start running to the to

1455
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.000
the police apartment at a police station, and we see

1456
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:04.840
a bed sheet basically come to life and hang Glenn

1457
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.319
in his cell, making it look like a suicide, which

1458
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.199
is something that in the Nightmare on Elm Street movies,

1459
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.600
they go back and forth on trying to make the

1460
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:18.239
deaths look like they make sense. Yeah, outside of Freddy

1461
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:22.119
doing it. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it's substantial,

1462
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.239
like strange, and sometimes it's like, uh, you know, like

1463
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:27.960
oh they burned alive. They must have been smoking when

1464
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:29.800
they went to sleep. It could be that simple, or

1465
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:32.319
it could be like Glenn, it looks like he irenat

1466
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.079
Glenna Rod it looks like he hung himself in his cell.

1467
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.640
So she gets there and says, like, I need to

1468
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.520
see him right now, reveals he's dead and her dad

1469
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:44.319
was there, which is one of the another reveal that

1470
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:48.520
like Okay, he like lives here, Yeah, like he's not

1471
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.079
not even going home to sleep. No, no, well, and

1472
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.279
like when he sees his wife, he just goes hello, Marge,

1473
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.439
like he has not seen her in a while. So

1474
01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:00.399
now things are really getting out of hand. And they

1475
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:04.680
take Nancy to the dream Clinic, which is an awesome sequence,

1476
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.600
but it's also a great sequence because not only do

1477
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:11.880
you get to see Joe Fleischer, the voice of Roger Rabbit,

1478
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.720
play the sleep doctor, but it also helps cement in

1479
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.359
the idea that basically adults cannot help you anymore. Yeah,

1480
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.720
because she goes in, they hook her up to the machines,

1481
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:26.479
she falls asleep, and sure enough, he's like looking at

1482
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.000
the data as she's sleeping, and he says, like, right now,

1483
01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:32.000
a nightmare would be a plus or minus five or

1484
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:36.159
six would be a nightmare. And as she starts to

1485
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.119
toss and turn, and we hear like when they show

1486
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:41.479
a shot of her, we hear that of the clause

1487
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.119
the machine is saying like forty five and stuff, which

1488
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:46.680
he even says like it's never been this high, It's

1489
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.039
never been this high. And I thought that was so

1490
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:52.359
cool that like the nightmares actually have like a physiological effect, yes,

1491
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:56.920
which is that your nightmares get so extreme yeah, its

1492
01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.560
it tops the charts well, because the other thing top

1493
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.119
in the chow. The other thing is that sometimes when

1494
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:05.560
Freddie kills people in other movies, sometimes in reality, you're

1495
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:07.840
doing it to yourself. Yeah, so that it can be

1496
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:11.359
written out as a suicide or whatever. I always thought

1497
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.960
it was interesting how it was never consistent though, Like

1498
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.439
sometimes it'll look like an accident. Sometimes it looked like

1499
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:19.560
you killed yourself. Sometimes it looks like whatever. It just

1500
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:22.119
depends on what Freddie wants to manipulate people to believe.

1501
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.239
I guess, you know, whether he wants you to be

1502
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:25.960
afraid of Freddie or he wants people to not ask

1503
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:30.000
too many questions. So they pull her out of the

1504
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:35.039
nightmare and there's a big reveal which is under the blankets.

1505
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.399
First of all, her arm is cut horribly.

1506
01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:40.199
Yeah, so they got like scratches.

1507
01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:43.840
Deep scratches. So they're trying to bandage her up. And

1508
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:48.439
then she pulls Freddie's hat from under her blanket and

1509
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:50.880
her eyes get wide. He says, I brought this back

1510
01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:57.800
from my dream. So now we've officially established that the

1511
01:21:57.880 --> 01:21:59.000
adults can't help.

1512
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:02.720
Yeah, I mean they're not able to do anything.

1513
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:06.319
No, No, they cannot help a doctor could not help.

1514
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:10.119
All he could do is observe it. And now we

1515
01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:14.399
have a hat from her dream, which somehow people are

1516
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:18.600
trying to ignore. But when she talks about her talks

1517
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:20.159
to her mom about it. She says, like, where'd you

1518
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:22.119
put it? I know you didn't throw it away. She

1519
01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:25.399
finds the hat in a drawer and says, look, it

1520
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:28.520
even has his name in it, fred Krueger. Mom, who's

1521
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.159
fred Krueger? You must know? Like I could tell you no.

1522
01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:36.479
And this is where things get extra and where I

1523
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:39.399
think that we really get into the meat of what

1524
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:45.159
the movie is about thematically or what have you, because

1525
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:50.119
her mom kind of calms down and says, you don't

1526
01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.720
need to worry about fred Krueger. Come with me, and

1527
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:55.760
they're going to head into the basement so she can

1528
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:58.680
explain what's going on. And this is where we for

1529
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:00.720
the first time ever, if you're watching Freddy Krueger movie,

1530
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:03.000
we find out actually exactly who Freddy is. It's about

1531
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.239
halfway through the movie, but you'll have to wait till

1532
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:20.279
after this. So Nancy's mother takes her to the basement

1533
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:25.920
and reveals something in an old boiler in their basement,

1534
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:30.800
an old rag and it has Freddy Krueger's glove in it,

1535
01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.000
and she tells this story about how there was a

1536
01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:37.439
guy named fred Krueger who lived in spring Wood, about

1537
01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.880
I think she was less than ten years ago. Noor no, no,

1538
01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.279
it had to be more than ten years It was

1539
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:46.960
about ten or fifteen years ago, and how he killed kids,

1540
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.119
and then the whole thing I'd explained earlier, and how

1541
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:53.439
they burned him alive, and she gives one of the

1542
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:55.319
best lines like he can't hurt you, He can't hurt

1543
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:59.680
you because Mommy killed him, which is such a perfect

1544
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:01.960
Night on Elm Street moment to like really make you

1545
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:06.520
understand what you're getting. So now we're into the territory

1546
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:10.960
of where I really think the movie is talking, which

1547
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:14.000
is the sins of the Father shall be visited upon

1548
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:19.680
the children. Yes, because these kids, if they were alive

1549
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:22.920
when Freddie was killed, they weren't young. They were too

1550
01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:28.039
young to remember anything. And although it's not canon because

1551
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:31.000
they removed it from the script before filming. Originally she

1552
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:33.720
even tells Nancy she had an older brother that she

1553
01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.960
just doesn't remember because she was so young when he

1554
01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:39.920
was killed. So one of the elements that they kind

1555
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.399
of didn't run with was that most of these kids

1556
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:45.840
were siblings and now they're all only children. And that's

1557
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.920
something really important to point out too. And almost all

1558
01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:52.520
the name on Elmstreet movies, everybody's an only child. Oh yeah, yeah,

1559
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:55.960
and that makes sense. There are very few there are,

1560
01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:58.760
Like I think in the whole series there are only

1561
01:24:58.840 --> 01:24:59.960
a couple of siblings.

1562
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:00.920
Yeah.

1563
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:03.119
In fact, the only one I can think of right

1564
01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:04.760
off the top of my head is Alison Rick from

1565
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:08.159
part four. She's the kind of the quiet, shy girl

1566
01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.520
who becomes the hero alx. Okay, yeah, she has the

1567
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:13.479
brother who does karate. But I don't think I can

1568
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.640
think of anybody else that's a brother and sister, or

1569
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:17.359
a brother and brother or sister and sister.

1570
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:20.000
Yeah, I don't remember any other siblings.

1571
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:20.479
Yeah.

1572
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.800
Series, Well, and it makes sense that there wouldn't be,

1573
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.119
because Freddie killed like an entire generation of children. Yeah.

1574
01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:31.439
So what we now are realizing is that this is,

1575
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:37.079
for better or worse, the parents fault. Yeah. Now, they

1576
01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:41.319
acted in the best interest of their kids, you know,

1577
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:44.279
because this guy was like literally a dead to rights

1578
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:47.439
proven child murderer. So it is hard to really like

1579
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.479
look down on them for vigilante justice when it's like, no,

1580
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:53.239
they found evidence he killed kids and then it all

1581
01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:54.840
got marked on inadmissible.

1582
01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:58.520
Yeah, I can't. I can't blame them for taking justice

1583
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.680
into their own hands. You can't. You can't watch a

1584
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:04.159
child murderer just walk free.

1585
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:07.199
Well, and I'm a big woos and I don't believe

1586
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.880
in the death penalty. I don't believe in a lot

1587
01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:11.359
of these things. I don't think mob justice is a

1588
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:17.039
good thing. But in a circumstance, specifically like this, they

1589
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.920
literally knew for a fact he'd done it, and he

1590
01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:24.680
was getting zero punishment. Not he wasn't getting the death penalty,

1591
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:28.000
not he's getting parole in twenty five years. He was

1592
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:32.399
getting nothing. He was walking free exactly. So I see

1593
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:36.840
why they were like, fuck that we're ending this now,

1594
01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.680
especially since, like I mean, I'm assuming he killed twenty

1595
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:42.479
kids over the course of maybe three or four years.

1596
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:45.880
That's a lot twenty kids that alone. When she said

1597
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:47.079
that in the movie, I was like, wow, they said

1598
01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:49.520
twenty in the movie. Because again I'm trying to think,

1599
01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:52.199
I'm trying to say when I'm thinking outside of the

1600
01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:55.199
first movie, so that you know, I'm kind of pontificating

1601
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.039
from the night Brown Elm Street lore right, but in

1602
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:01.239
the movie she says, twenty a lot of dead children

1603
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:05.159
for one small community to bear. Yeah, like that's we're

1604
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:10.399
talking like curfews for everybody, including adults. Yeah, once your

1605
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:11.119
five kids.

1606
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:15.000
Oh absolutely, no, absolutely.

1607
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:19.239
It's serious, you know. So one of the things I

1608
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:21.439
love about this concept though, the sins of the father

1609
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:25.239
being visited upon the children. Aside from being biblical, which

1610
01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:30.479
is Wes Craven's jam, is now the parents are in

1611
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:35.039
denial that they could have caused these problems. And I

1612
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:37.359
feel like if you look at the time period that

1613
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:40.880
this movie was made nineteen eighties, it was made, released

1614
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.760
in eighty four, probably shot in eighty three, you have

1615
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:51.039
the baby boomers kind of starting to wane, the kids

1616
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:54.359
that were being born in the late seventies or Gen X,

1617
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:58.640
and they have different problems than their parents had, and

1618
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.119
some of the those problems are their parents' fault, you know.

1619
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:05.640
And not just not just little things like the little

1620
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.880
things like the economy or you know, who's president. I

1621
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:15.600
mean things like depression, anxiety. There's a lot of things

1622
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:19.800
that mess kids up, and a lot of times it's

1623
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:23.239
like the parents want to deny their their part in it. Yeah,

1624
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:25.159
and that's what I feel like the movie is trying

1625
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:27.760
to get across, is that the parents will not accept

1626
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:32.439
any responsibility. They'll do anything except accept responsibility to help

1627
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:37.399
their kids. Anything else is just denial. And in some ways,

1628
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:40.960
and this is just my own insane ramblings, but in

1629
01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:45.680
some ways, I feel like it's Cold War related. Okay,

1630
01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:51.039
elaborate the anxiety of being under a constant threat, the

1631
01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:53.560
idea that it's kind of your parents fault because those

1632
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.479
were the leaders they elected and it's the country they built.

1633
01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.960
And then of course one of the big Cold War fears,

1634
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:05.960
which is enemies from without or from within. Yeah, so

1635
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:08.600
a big Cold War thing is like, oh, well, the

1636
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.560
enemy is Russia. They're over there, and then people be like,

1637
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:15.319
but what if they're here? And they were, I mean,

1638
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:19.000
there were Russian spies, tons of them in the United States,

1639
01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:22.840
and there were Russian sympathizers, Soviet sympathizers, but there was

1640
01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.399
also a ton of fear. I mean, McCarthyism was just

1641
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.920
making lists of people that they believed sympathized with the

1642
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.600
Soviet Union to try to ruin their lives. Yeah, so

1643
01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:35.800
you see what I'm saying, like, so they're like, you know,

1644
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:39.039
Mom and Dad, I'm in danger. And they're like, what's

1645
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.119
going on? Is it the guy down the street? And

1646
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.079
they're like, no, when I go to sleep in my

1647
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.039
own bed, in the house you built and bought to

1648
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:50.000
keep us all safe, I'm not safe. That's that's my

1649
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:50.960
that's my thought.

1650
01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:54.359
No, I absolutely have to agree. And we were we

1651
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.039
were kind of discussing it last night.

1652
01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:59.600
I was trying to keep you away. Poor poor Rachel.

1653
01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:02.159
She she stays up extra late to watch these movies

1654
01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:05.239
for the show, and sometimes it's she's had a long

1655
01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:07.920
day and it's really hard on her, but I make

1656
01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.479
it through. You did a pretty good job. This one

1657
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:11.479
was the roughest one you've.

1658
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:14.319
Had to watch, Yeah, which is kind of ironic considering

1659
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.920
it's you know, it was funny, but I was sitting

1660
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:20.680
there pounding, a pounding a caffeinated beverage.

1661
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:22.760
But let's take a break and then you can tell

1662
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:27.119
me how right I am about my diagnosis after this.

1663
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.279
So, as we were watching the movie again together last

1664
01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.600
night and you were discussing it with me, helped me

1665
01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:52.520
stay away. We we really started to hone in on

1666
01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:57.399
the denial of all of the adults which you were,

1667
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:01.159
which you were kind of talking about, because there's so

1668
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:07.079
many points where if any one of the adults would

1669
01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:10.159
have given an ounce of credibility to what the teens

1670
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:14.000
were going through, they would have been they would have

1671
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:17.880
handled things so much differently. So like, for instance, when

1672
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:22.880
Nancy has a nightmare in school, she in the nightmare

1673
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:26.760
burns herself on the boiler to wake herself, to wake

1674
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:29.199
herself up, And when she wakes up, she's got a

1675
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:33.079
burn on her arm, and no one addresses it. No one,

1676
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:34.880
you know, no one pays attention.

1677
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:36.880
Yeah. She even tells Glenn when he asked about She's like,

1678
01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:41.600
I burned my arm in study hall or in English lid. Yeah,

1679
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.920
and he's like what, like how yeah, yeah, no, that's

1680
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:48.399
a great example, and yeah, nobody seems to care that

1681
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:49.600
much about that.

1682
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:50.399
No.

1683
01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:54.159
There's also an element of speaking of like generational differences.

1684
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:58.319
There's also an element of it could be taken as

1685
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:01.399
like a very extreme MAS four for the fact that

1686
01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:05.159
generations face totally different challenges in many ways. So of

1687
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.039
the idea of like that challenge makes no sense to me.

1688
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:08.600
Like when I was your age, I didn't worry about

1689
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:09.760
this and that and this and that I did this.

1690
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.119
So it's like, no, but you don't understand I'm getting

1691
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:14.159
murdered in my dreams. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody

1692
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:15.640
got murdered in the dreams when I was a kid.

1693
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.920
What are you talking about, Like, just get a good

1694
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:21.920
job at a factory. Yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of

1695
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:23.960
the way I feel almost is that that's because I

1696
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:28.560
love that. Every Nightmare and elm Street movie there is

1697
01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:31.800
a glut of adults who don't listen to the kids,

1698
01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:35.520
a glut of them, and as the movies progress, there

1699
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:39.319
are the occasional adult who does believe them, but they

1700
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.359
are few and far between, m very much. In fact,

1701
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:45.880
I mean basically Nancy herself in part three and the

1702
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:48.800
doctor whose name's escaping right now from part three. That's

1703
01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:51.359
like two of them, only adults who like really give

1704
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:54.840
a crap. And then the therapist in part six who

1705
01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:56.920
turns out spoiler if you've never seen Part six to

1706
01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:59.720
be Freddie's daughter. But she cares, you know, because her

1707
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.239
job is to take care of these kids. So but

1708
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.640
like in part four and five, there's no adults that

1709
01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.239
believe them either, and there's no adults in part two

1710
01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:11.920
that believe in them either nothing. So it's and that's

1711
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:13.399
kind of one of the things I think that makes

1712
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:17.079
it makes it really click with kids, young people as

1713
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:19.880
you're on your own mm hmm, Like the only time

1714
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:22.319
you can really win is when you accept that the

1715
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:25.079
adults aren't gonna help. This is up to you. This

1716
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:27.359
is this is your time to prove what you're made of,

1717
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:30.760
the kind of thing, and also but also to play

1718
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.520
into like the negative aspects of the younger society. But

1719
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:36.079
also because you're smarter than those people and you know more,

1720
01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:38.640
who cares if they have forty years more of life experience,

1721
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:41.000
you know how to deal with this. So it is

1722
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:42.960
a double edge. It's a double edged razor glove.

1723
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.960
I see what you did there, And I just thought

1724
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:52.399
of this too, But especially in this first one, there

1725
01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:57.159
is kind of a mirror relationship between what the kids

1726
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.720
are going through now with the adults and realizing that

1727
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:04.439
the authority figures in their lives are not going to

1728
01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:07.840
do anything to help them, and also how their parents

1729
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:13.119
would have felt years before realizing that the authority figures

1730
01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.199
in their life were not going to do anything to

1731
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:17.359
protect them against Freddy's.

1732
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.239
Oh, that's a really good point, because the courts and

1733
01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:22.359
the police all failed them when their own children were

1734
01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:27.880
being murdered the most innocent, most necessitating of protection group.

1735
01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:31.800
Yes, that there is literally why we have society is

1736
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:33.680
to take care of the children and the elderly.

1737
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.760
Yeah. Well, and I thought i'd have a joke. I

1738
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:39.720
didn't come up with them. But I also want to

1739
01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:42.960
point out this is the era the eighties, was the

1740
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:44.640
era in the nineties, little bit was the era of

1741
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:48.560
stranger Danger and the Satanic Panic. Oh yeah, we're kind

1742
01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:51.640
of related. The idea that there were these strange people

1743
01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:54.640
that you know, who knows where they live or why,

1744
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:56.960
but that will just randomly be like I have a

1745
01:34:57.039 --> 01:34:59.560
kitten in my car, I like to kill children. Who

1746
01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.520
the hell are I don't know. I just exist for fear,

1747
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:05.479
you know. Like, but that's kind of what they come

1748
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:08.720
off as. But the thing we learned from Stranger Danger

1749
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:12.239
and the Satanic Panic was that most victimization of children

1750
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:14.560
did not happen from people they did not know.

1751
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.640
No, generally, it's immediate family members.

1752
01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:25.159
Yeah, it's or or caregivers or school people. And I

1753
01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:28.760
don't think I'm almost certain that it's not established in

1754
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:31.760
Nightmare Elm Street, but it is in Nightmare Elm Street two,

1755
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.199
in Nightmare Elm Street two and beyond. Freddie works at

1756
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:39.479
the school. Oh yeah, he's the janitor. Yeah, so he's

1757
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.600
literally hanging around the kids all day long. And that

1758
01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:46.520
could also feedback into the idea of the parents being

1759
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.279
blaming themselves, because it's like, this guy is right in

1760
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:51.880
front of us every day. He's not cleaning up, you know,

1761
01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:53.199
vomit from the floors.

1762
01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:54.840
How did we not see it?

1763
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:57.079
How did we not know that this guy was a psycho?

1764
01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:00.399
And I think that's a really a really tense and

1765
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:04.439
valuable concept to consider, as well as the effect on

1766
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.199
a community of like a guy you just knew and

1767
01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:10.520
he did all these heinous things. It's why I mean,

1768
01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:13.640
luckily there aren't a lot of examples of like like

1769
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:17.560
serious mass murderers or serial killers who live in really,

1770
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.159
really really small communities. Because imagine if you had a

1771
01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:23.079
community of like five hundred or or not evenived five

1772
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:25.439
thousand people and a guy you see at the grocery

1773
01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:29.039
store like every fifth time you go kills like eighteen people.

1774
01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.720
I mean, that would fracture me deeply. I would be

1775
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.079
afraid would I would like go, I would go to

1776
01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:39.439
the other town to get groceries. Yeah, I would, I would.

1777
01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:42.319
But you know, since I lived near a city with

1778
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:44.239
like about you know, a little under a million people

1779
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:45.880
in it, if somebody turns out to be a psycho,

1780
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:47.399
that have to be really close to me for me

1781
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.560
to care, I mean to care in the to care,

1782
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:54.199
let's be yeah, like we all compartmentalize what bothers us

1783
01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:58.880
and what doesn't. So yeah, it's it's that's a really

1784
01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:02.880
interesting element too, because as we progress in the movie,

1785
01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:06.720
now Nancy is basically, you know, realized I have to

1786
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:11.840
fight Freddie directly myself. She starts reading the Improvised Anti

1787
01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.359
Personnel Devices Book, which I love that booby traps and

1788
01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:19.039
anti personnel devices. And Glenn also shares a really interesting

1789
01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:23.079
point about how he's he's actually been reading about dreams,

1790
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.279
which also suggests he's having nightmares. And I often I

1791
01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:28.760
wondered if Glenn was like not remembering them or something

1792
01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:32.199
like he was just remembering he's waking up scared. Oh, possibly,

1793
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.079
because I don't think he would have he would have

1794
01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:38.640
kept it to himself once once Nancy was like really

1795
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.279
desperate and scared and felt like she was just insane.

1796
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:41.840
Mm hmm.

1797
01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:44.760
Oh and her hair, her hair started turning gray.

1798
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:48.199
Oh, that's right, when she wakes up in the sleep clinic.

1799
01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:50.720
Yeah, a streak of her hair turns gray, which only

1800
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:56.399
happens under extreme duress. Yeah, under extreme dress, hair can

1801
01:37:56.479 --> 01:38:00.840
turn gray like suddenly, and it's very rare and very extreme.

1802
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:05.039
In a great touch in the movie as well. But

1803
01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.159
so Glenn says that he's been reading about and I

1804
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:11.159
think it was an Aborigine tribe who they learned to

1805
01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.720
control their dreams and when they have a bad dream,

1806
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:16.880
they take the energy away from it, they turn their

1807
01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:19.840
back on it, remove the energy, and then there's no

1808
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:21.800
more bad dreams. But she did say, like, but what

1809
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:23.960
if that doesn't work? He's like, well, or she's like,

1810
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:25.680
but what if it't doesn't work for somebody. He's like,

1811
01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:28.079
I guess they don't wake up to tell anybody. Which

1812
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.079
I just love that line too, because he's still a

1813
01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:33.119
teenage boy. He's trying to be supportive of her, but

1814
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:35.319
he's trying to be keep things light. He's trying to

1815
01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:39.079
like be there for her in a really difficult way

1816
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.359
in a really difficult time. So, but my point is

1817
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:46.800
that as we as. She tells Glenn like, I need

1818
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:48.239
you to not fall asleep. I need you to be

1819
01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:50.359
ready because I'm gonna pull Freddy out of my dreams.

1820
01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:53.600
That's her big moment, her big eureka. If I could

1821
01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:55.560
pull his hat through, maybe I can pull the whole

1822
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.119
guy into the real world. Well and I can kill

1823
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:02.239
him or well, originally her plan is I'm gonna have

1824
01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:05.399
my dad kill him, or or Glenn's gonna kill him,

1825
01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:10.159
because you know, Glenn's a jock and dad's a cop. Yeah,

1826
01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.159
so like, come on, So originally your plan is for

1827
01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:15.399
Glenn to show up with a baseball bat and help

1828
01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:17.560
her just brain this guy and give him to the cops.

1829
01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:21.880
It's a pretty wild idea, but I do think it's

1830
01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:26.239
pretty boss. It's pretty bitching. But as this is all

1831
01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:32.000
going on, there's one obstacle in the way, and that's

1832
01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:36.399
Glenn's parents. And we'll talk about that more after this.

1833
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:53.319
So Glenn's parents, who seem to mean well, all the

1834
01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:58.439
parents seem to mean well. They her, particularly his father,

1835
01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:02.880
seems to feel like Nancy is a bad influence, that

1836
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:05.880
she's gone crazy just like her mom. Because the whole

1837
01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:07.720
town's kind of talking about what a drunk she drunk

1838
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:09.600
she is, and how she put bars on all the

1839
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:13.319
windows of the house, which is another great example of

1840
01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:16.800
fear from without, not from within. You put bars in

1841
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:18.840
the house, it literally goes both ways. It turns the

1842
01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:20.199
house into a cage.

1843
01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:20.760
Mm hmm.

1844
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:24.760
And in a moment shortly after this the scene we're

1845
01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:27.920
talking about, she reveals that she's locked the doors from

1846
01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:31.000
the inside, so Nancy can't even leave, and she says, like,

1847
01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:33.520
I want you to. You're gonna get a good night's

1848
01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:36.600
sleep if it kills me. So talk about like going

1849
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.760
all in on the wrong thing. But Glenn's parents, you know,

1850
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:42.319
as Nancy is calling talking to Glenn and stuff, she

1851
01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:45.720
tries to call him on the phone, and their attitude

1852
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:47.560
is like that girl, I don't want that girl anywhere

1853
01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:48.880
near my son. She's the problem.

1854
01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.199
Again.

1855
01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:53.520
It's from without, not from within. Yeah, they're all about like, no, No,

1856
01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:56.600
danger comes from over there, Danger comes from across the street,

1857
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:58.960
Danger comes from down the road. Danger comes from the city,

1858
01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:01.600
ten miles down the road. That's where danger comes from.

1859
01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:05.239
Danger isn't in our house. So the problem is that girl.

1860
01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:07.159
It couldn't be that our son is in real danger

1861
01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:10.000
it couldn't be that our son has a real problem,

1862
01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:13.399
it's her m hm. And that I feel like that's

1863
01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:16.399
what really cements my feeling about about that idea in

1864
01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:16.840
the film.

1865
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:22.960
I have to agree, and it's I mean, it's kind

1866
01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:25.920
of part of the human condition. And I think that's

1867
01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:31.000
what makes that makes this movie so relatable and has

1868
01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.159
made it such I mean, among many other things has

1869
01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:38.760
made it such a long standing film, is because there

1870
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:44.279
is there is this feeling that we all get that

1871
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:47.920
the danger is always somewhere else.

1872
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.600
Well, like when we talked about about it comes at Night,

1873
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:54.680
was that what it was called the movie?

1874
01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:54.920
Uh?

1875
01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:57.039
Remember yeah?

1876
01:41:57.720 --> 01:42:01.119
That No, very no, it's very very very similar to that,

1877
01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:05.000
because it's a it's a way we comfort ourselves because

1878
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:09.359
if we ever truly recognized, and especially in a nightmare

1879
01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:11.760
on Elm Street, but if we ever truly realize like

1880
01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:17.199
how close the danger can be, uh, we'd never rest.

1881
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:19.880
And that's kind of that's kind of where the kids

1882
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.000
are is. The kids are at that intersection of realizing

1883
01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:26.479
that the danger comes with it within and the parents

1884
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.319
are the ones who are like, no, no, no, it's

1885
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:30.880
you know, like you were saying across the street or

1886
01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:35.159
it's somebody else, uh, not that it could ever not

1887
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:36.520
that it could ever be home.

1888
01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:38.760
Yeah, you know. And then on top of all that,

1889
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.600
then it'd be a it'd be a side effect of

1890
01:42:42.359 --> 01:42:46.479
a collective trauma they all caused. Yeah, so it's it's

1891
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:49.920
a pretty intense concept. But I really especially this part

1892
01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.079
where he's just constantly looking over the house saying like

1893
01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:54.640
that girl is the problem. And it's like, meanwhile, your

1894
01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:58.880
son is upstairs in bed, falling asleep, and Freddie's probably

1895
01:42:58.880 --> 01:42:59.399
gonna get him.

1896
01:42:59.399 --> 01:42:59.479
Now.

1897
01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.720
Nancy tries to call the mom, is like being nice,

1898
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:03.920
and then he finally he just takes the phone and

1899
01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:05.199
says he's a sleep we'll call you in the morning,

1900
01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:06.720
and just hangs up and then he takes the phone

1901
01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:08.720
off the hook so they can go to sleep. I

1902
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:15.920
remember that, Yeah, it's it's yeah. So now as Glenn

1903
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:18.600
is laying in his bed, Freddy's arm comes out from

1904
01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:21.000
the bed, pulls him into the bed, and we get

1905
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.000
probably the second most iconic death scene in the film,

1906
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:29.000
where his bed just gushers like five times the amount

1907
01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.920
of blood in the human body. Yeah, it just shoots

1908
01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:32.640
right out of the bed.

1909
01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:38.439
It's a kind of a mind blowing effect it is.

1910
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:40.680
And how it makes sense is the part that I

1911
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:44.560
struggle with the most. But you know, because they never

1912
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.199
show his body. He's just in the bed and then

1913
01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.800
he gets like blended, I guess, yeah, just gets liquefied.

1914
01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:55.439
So as this is happening, Nancy gets a phone call

1915
01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:58.760
and it's Freddy on the phone cheers, the cloth scratches,

1916
01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:01.159
and it says, I'm your boyfriend now, and then a

1917
01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.920
tongue comes out of the phone and tries to lick

1918
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:09.000
her face again. Creepy old man where he shouldn't be

1919
01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:14.000
in a young girl's bedroom, you know. So she now

1920
01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:16.680
knows Glenn is dead. She tries to get out of

1921
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:21.479
her house. She can't. She finally calls Glenn's house again

1922
01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.199
after the police have all arrived and everything, and gets

1923
01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:27.520
her dad on the phone on the because he's there

1924
01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:30.319
investigating it, and tells him her plan. Says, I'm gonna

1925
01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.199
get the guy who's doing this. I just need to

1926
01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:33.439
be there ag get him. He's like, well, just tell

1927
01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:34.920
me where he is and I'll get him. And so

1928
01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:38.880
she says it's fred Krueger, dad, and he just shuts down. Yeah,

1929
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:41.560
he's like all right, and She's like, I need to

1930
01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:43.479
know you're gonna bust the door down when I get him,

1931
01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:48.119
because she's completely trapped in that house. Yeah. So he

1932
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.239
just kind of reluctantly says, yeah, okay. She puts her

1933
01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:53.840
mom to bed, which is a fascinating sequence. The more

1934
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.640
I watch this movie, the more I harp on her

1935
01:44:56.760 --> 01:45:00.319
tucking her own mother into bed. It's a really interesting

1936
01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:05.279
scene because she's literally tucking her into this bed and

1937
01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:08.279
telling her like, everything's going to be okay, and her

1938
01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:12.720
mom is like realizing that she can't do anything, like

1939
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:13.439
she can't.

1940
01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:13.880
Help m.

1941
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:18.680
Yeah her. It's a very tender scene, and it again

1942
01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:24.680
is it's one of those moments where you kind of

1943
01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:29.680
see the relationship between the parents and the children mirrored

1944
01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:34.880
and reversed a little bit because again, like I said,

1945
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:39.239
the kids feeling helpless because the authority figures can't or

1946
01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:42.079
won't do anything for them, it's very similar to how

1947
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:46.439
the parents felt. And then this is kind of what

1948
01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:50.960
Nancy's mom wishes she could have done for Nancy. Nancy's

1949
01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:54.000
mom wishes she could have just tucked her in and

1950
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:56.319
tell her, you know, everything will be all right, just

1951
01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:59.680
get some rest and it'll all be over, but she

1952
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:03.680
never forgot that. But Nancy got to reciprocate that for

1953
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:08.359
her mom, which is just a very cool way of

1954
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:12.680
showing their relationship, you know, kind of the relationship had

1955
01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:16.399
been turned on its head because her mom was in denial.

1956
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:19.880
Well, and there's a moment that really changed the scene

1957
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.159
for me the more I thought about it. Where As

1958
01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:23.880
she's laying in bed getting ready to go to sleep,

1959
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.039
she goes to open up her bottle of vodka and

1960
01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:29.760
take a glug, and then she doesn't. She puts the

1961
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.680
cat back on and puts it on the nightstand, And

1962
01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.960
I felt like that was almost like a penance, Like

1963
01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:38.199
the reason she can't help and the reason she's useless

1964
01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:41.079
is because she's drunk and because she's been hiding in

1965
01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.079
a bottle this whole time. Yeah, so she's never been

1966
01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:46.560
able to come through for Nancy when she needed her.

1967
01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:48.680
So in a way, she's like, well, I can't do

1968
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.760
it anymore, you know, even if even if it won't

1969
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:54.960
help to stop now, I feel like a you know,

1970
01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:57.800
big pile of shit over it. So I'm gonna stop. Yeah.

1971
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:01.399
So one thing she says to Nancy that I always

1972
01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:04.079
loved though, is she says. You know, she's like, I

1973
01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:05.640
have to face him, and she's like, of course you do.

1974
01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:08.880
That's what you do. You face things. That's your power,

1975
01:47:09.239 --> 01:47:11.359
that's who you are. And I thought that was a

1976
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:14.319
really interesting little moment where it's like she's not totally

1977
01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.760
asleep at the wheel. She knows the woman she's raising

1978
01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:20.079
mm hm, and she admires her to an extent.

1979
01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:20.560
You know.

1980
01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:24.520
So now it's time to put together a bunch of

1981
01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:28.600
booby traps and anti personnel devices because Freddy's coming over

1982
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:45.319
for dinner right after this. So she puts together all

1983
01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.880
these fun booby traps, and all of them.

1984
01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:50.640
Kevin mckellister proud is what I said last night.

1985
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:55.439
Well he wasn't alive yet, so if anything, he stole

1986
01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:57.159
a lot from this movie. And the Hills have Eyes.

1987
01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.560
There's a lot of booby traps in the first three

1988
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:04.479
West Craven horror movies, Last House on the Left, Hills

1989
01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:07.359
have Eyes, and I'm ren elm Street all have booby traps, huh,

1990
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.000
but this one has a ton of them. So she's

1991
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:13.880
like rigging a light bulb full of black powder. She's

1992
01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:19.640
emptying shotgun shells into things, She's rigging up a ten

1993
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:21.880
pound sledgehammer to swing down when a door opened.

1994
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:23.279
Favorite.

1995
01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:27.239
She's just got all kinds of plans for Freddy. So

1996
01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:30.840
now she has to go to sleep. She sets a

1997
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:33.079
timer on her watch so that it'll wake her up

1998
01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.520
in ten minutes, and when she goes into her dream,

1999
01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:38.479
she knows she's in a dream and she can look

2000
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.840
at her watch and see how long she has left.

2001
01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:43.439
So she starts looking for Freddy, and of course, now

2002
01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:46.239
where is he? Of course, now you can't find him right.

2003
01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:47.600
Yeah, when you want him.

2004
01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:49.640
But I love it, so she starts running from him.

2005
01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:53.000
He's going after chasing her around. I love it because

2006
01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:56.720
when the watch gets down to ten seconds, she just

2007
01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:00.199
turns to Freddy and just tackles. After all all this

2008
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.039
time running from him and being scared of him and

2009
01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:06.920
him killing everybody, she just freaking jumps right on top

2010
01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:09.640
of him. They land on the trellis that's been dropped

2011
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:11.840
down because when they put the bars up, they cut

2012
01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:13.680
the trellis down, so there's no way to climb up

2013
01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.680
on the roof. She wakes up in her bed, and

2014
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:19.520
I love the shot because you see the trails and

2015
01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:22.199
everything on her, and then it pulls away as the

2016
01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:24.479
camera pulls back, so it's like it was never there. Yeah,

2017
01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:27.439
it's a very simple trick, but it's highly effective. And

2018
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:31.279
she's awake, but she's alone. And I remember the first

2019
01:49:31.319 --> 01:49:33.720
time I watched it, or I'm guessing the first time

2020
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:35.840
I watched it, God only knows. I just remember being

2021
01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:38.000
so nervous, like just where is he? Where is he?

2022
01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:39.800
Like where the hell is is now? He could be

2023
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:40.800
literally anywhere?

2024
01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:45.399
Or maybe it doesn't work. That's the scary thing is

2025
01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:46.920
what if he can't be brought in, what if it's

2026
01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:50.199
different than a hat. But sure enough he jumps out

2027
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:54.760
and starts chasing her. And what I love is there's

2028
01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:57.560
a real element of like you're in the real world now, motherfucker,

2029
01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:01.479
because she is way less afraid of him. He's getting

2030
01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:06.520
hit by sledgehammers, falling downstairs, having light bulbs explode next

2031
01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:10.880
to him, and she chases him down into her basement. Yeah,

2032
01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:13.000
and that's one of my favorites because he comes after

2033
01:50:13.119 --> 01:50:14.760
her and tries to sneak up on her and like

2034
01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:18.800
rub his claw to like screech it, and she just

2035
01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:20.640
goes around the other way while he's doing it, So

2036
01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:22.520
she literally walks behind him while he's trying to like

2037
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:26.079
cat and mouser and just hits him with a jug

2038
01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:30.239
full of kerosene. I'm cutting it down short because like

2039
01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:32.840
it's what am I gonna sit here and describe all

2040
01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.840
these movie traps? But like she is whooping his ass,

2041
01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:38.640
beating the hell out of him, and then covers him kerosene,

2042
01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:41.800
lights him on fire, and then runs away as he

2043
01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.319
tries to chase after her. While he's on fire, she's

2044
01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:46.920
breaking the windows yelling for the cops across the street,

2045
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:49.640
which is probably the last big laugh of the movie.

2046
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:51.399
There are on a ton of huge laughs, but one

2047
01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:53.560
of my favorite laughs is where she's like, please help

2048
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:55.760
help and this cop sitting on the front lawn and

2049
01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:58.880
he's like, everything's gonna be okay because they're at Glenn's

2050
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:02.039
house across the Street's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay.

2051
01:51:02.119 --> 01:51:07.039
She just goes dad, my dad, you asshole. So after

2052
01:51:07.159 --> 01:51:10.119
he gets her dad, oh, but she yells that, then

2053
01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:13.159
she's running around a few more things happen. This might

2054
01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:15.439
have happened just before he caught on fire, but but

2055
01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:17.600
I love that after that, after yells that, like get

2056
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:19.399
my dad, you asshole, and then she's screaming and yelling

2057
01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.119
some more. It's like thirty seconds. Layers like maybe I

2058
01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:25.920
should get the chief. Well, yeah, she fucking asked for

2059
01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:30.000
her dad, dude. So now they shut up and busted

2060
01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:32.560
the doors down. They're like, what the hell's going on here?

2061
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:36.880
There's you know, footprints of fires all over. They're super cool.

2062
01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:38.760
The first thought I have when I saw I see

2063
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:42.279
them as I'm always like, rubber cement. That's how you

2064
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:44.319
do that. You just paint the foot footsteps with rubber

2065
01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:46.680
cement because then when it dries it it lights, Yeah,

2066
01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:48.960
and it burns. That's like the way to set anything

2067
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.199
on fire for a movie that you don't that doesn't

2068
01:51:51.279 --> 01:51:55.880
traditionally burn very well. Rubber cement, Yeah, it is highly flammable,

2069
01:51:56.039 --> 01:51:58.640
it is, and it sticks to things so you can

2070
01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:02.479
rub it onto stuff. But but no, So now is

2071
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:04.800
where the movie gets really weird. And I still don't

2072
01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:08.960
like I've started to figure out I think what I

2073
01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:12.600
think is going on. But I've been struggling with this

2074
01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:15.399
for a while. I mean for a long time I've wondered,

2075
01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:17.600
like the endings always kind of like perturbed me a

2076
01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:20.840
little bit. She gets so the dad and her end

2077
01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:24.319
up running upstairs following the footprints, and Freddy is on

2078
01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:26.760
top of her mother in the bed, just like thrashing her.

2079
01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:29.600
They throw a sheet over to put the flames out,

2080
01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:32.680
pull it away. Freddy's gone, and now her body, which

2081
01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:36.520
is like horribly burned, almost a skeleton, is laying there

2082
01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:41.640
and it starts ascending or descending down through the bed

2083
01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:44.239
through like some kind of warp. And I used to

2084
01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:45.800
always think that was just some wild shit, but I

2085
01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:48.560
think I figured it out. I mean, I think it's obvious,

2086
01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:51.760
and maybe I'm just a little slow, but that moment

2087
01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:56.159
is that it's still a dream. Ohkay, that's what I think.

2088
01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.279
And I think that's probably obvious. But because I've been

2089
01:52:58.279 --> 01:52:59.760
watching the movie so long, it's hard for me to

2090
01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:00.920
get perspective.

2091
01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:01.560
Yeah.

2092
01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:06.399
Sometimes, yeah, because after that and her dad says, you know,

2093
01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:09.600
like whatever, she says, like you go ahead. The moment

2094
01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:11.199
she says like you go ahead, I'll be right down

2095
01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:13.279
while she's sitting in this room, because the body goes

2096
01:53:13.279 --> 01:53:15.319
through the bed and then the bed just looks normal again.

2097
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:18.680
Like yeah, no trace of the mortal or anything.

2098
01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:20.560
But when she says like I'll be down in a second,

2099
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:23.119
I feel like that's the moment She's like, only I

2100
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:25.520
can stop Freddy, Like there's nobody else who can help me, period,

2101
01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:30.960
And sure enough the door closes behind her and Freddie

2102
01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:34.000
is you know, lifts up out of the bed rips

2103
01:53:34.039 --> 01:53:37.279
the sheet open. It's a really cool reveal, and he

2104
01:53:37.439 --> 01:53:39.119
is just as evil as he's ever been in any

2105
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:43.239
of the movies. And as he stands there just puffing

2106
01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:47.439
and puffing and sincerely just being the most evil, slimy

2107
01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:50.840
look that Freddie has ever had, she seems to know

2108
01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:53.560
exactly what to do. And we'll talk about that right

2109
01:53:53.600 --> 01:54:08.920
after this. As Freddie's standing there glaring at her, all

2110
01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:13.640
happy and glee to Killer, she says, I don't I

2111
01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:16.520
take all the energy I ever gave you away? And

2112
01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:18.600
his response is you know you what? And she's like,

2113
01:54:19.199 --> 01:54:21.560
I take it all away. You're nothing, your shit. I

2114
01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:24.279
want my friends back, and he's just like, what do

2115
01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:25.880
you do it? What are you demanding? And she's like,

2116
01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:27.399
I want my friends back, and I want all this

2117
01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:31.439
because you're nothing, basically, And now that I've realized like

2118
01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:33.439
that that her mom going into the bed was just

2119
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:35.479
the symbol that she never woke up like that, it

2120
01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:40.159
was still a dream that made me realize. That's why

2121
01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:41.840
she leaned into like, well, then I have to beat

2122
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:43.439
him in the dream world, which is what Glenn had

2123
01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:46.840
talked about. Yeah. Yeah, because she's used to fighting on

2124
01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:49.600
her terms, which is why she was so brave against

2125
01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:52.079
Freddie when he was or at least when she believed

2126
01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:54.680
he was in the real world. So after that, he

2127
01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:58.239
jumps to attack her, and he fades away. Then she

2128
01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:01.960
opens the door, the bedroom door, and walks out. And

2129
01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:04.600
now it's morning and it's the daytime. She walked out

2130
01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:07.439
the front door of the house and she's dressed for school.

2131
01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:10.600
It's foggy as hell, and her mom is saying, you know,

2132
01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:12.439
how are you? Oh, I slept pretty well, And then

2133
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:14.119
she says, like, I guess you bought him out when

2134
01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:16.119
you can't remember the night before. You know, I just

2135
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.119
don't feel like drinking anymore. It's like a really bizarre

2136
01:55:19.359 --> 01:55:21.520
but in a right like it doesn't feel like bad riding.

2137
01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:24.600
It just feels like it's meant to be odd. Yeah.

2138
01:55:25.479 --> 01:55:28.640
A car pulls up and Glenn's driving and Rod and

2139
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.439
Tina are in the car, so she says, you know,

2140
01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:34.960
love you, mom and gets in the car, and then

2141
01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:38.960
the fucking it's a convertible and the top comes down

2142
01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:42.479
and it's got Freddy's stripes on it. The windows roll

2143
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.039
up and the kids are all freaking out because they're

2144
01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.560
not doing that. The car drives away as we see

2145
01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:49.760
little kids off in the distance playing a jump rope

2146
01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:54.159
and singing the Freddy Krueger nursery rhyme yep, come in

2147
01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:56.840
for I used to sing that all the time and

2148
01:55:56.880 --> 01:56:00.720
write it on things all the time. So as it

2149
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:02.960
drives away and the little girls are playing jump rope,

2150
01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:06.239
and the little girl imagery that started in this movie

2151
01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:09.399
and then went through all the other ones was eventually

2152
01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:13.680
became signifying the ghosts of the children he killed. Oh

2153
01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:16.359
that they're just kind of around where he is.

2154
01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:17.600
I don't know.

2155
01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:19.800
That's in the later movies, not this one. And then

2156
01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:23.880
Freddy's hand punches through the door and grabs the mom

2157
01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:26.359
and pulls her through this little door hole. It looks

2158
01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:28.640
a little silly, but it is very shocking and sudden,

2159
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:32.640
and then the film is over or is it, because

2160
01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:37.079
then there's eight more sequels. But I like this ending.

2161
01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:38.840
I know Wes Craven didn't want the ending where she

2162
01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:40.920
got pulled through the door and I get why it's

2163
01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:43.640
a little cheesy, but it is a hell of a sting.

2164
01:56:44.520 --> 01:56:46.479
It really is like the end of Carrie where the

2165
01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:49.039
hand jumps out and everybody screams. I mean, it has

2166
01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:53.079
to be there, right, But the idea that it's still

2167
01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:57.520
that she's still in the nightmare. I feel like maybe

2168
01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:00.399
the reason she believed she could beat fred like that

2169
01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:05.560
was that all of it was a nightmare, everything the

2170
01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:08.720
whole movie, Yeah, or or at least most of it,

2171
01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:11.039
Like at some point she fell asleep and just didn't

2172
01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:15.640
wake back up. It's all been a nightmare. And that's

2173
01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:17.600
why she was like, I want my friends back because

2174
01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:18.560
this is just a nightmare.

2175
01:57:19.239 --> 01:57:19.479
Ooh.

2176
01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:23.920
So that's why I think she was so cocky and

2177
01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:26.199
so positive she could beat Freddie. And and she did

2178
01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:30.760
beat Freddie. I mean, if we follow, if we include

2179
01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:34.000
the sequels, she did somewhat beat Freddie.

2180
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:35.720
Yeah as much as one kid.

2181
01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:38.000
Yeah. Now, if we're just whole looking at the movie

2182
01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:41.159
as a standalone, it appears she did not succeed in

2183
01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:44.800
defeating Freddie. That in reality, she's still in a nightmare

2184
01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:48.520
and Freddie is still in charge, and they never really

2185
01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:51.000
even in the sequel, say exactly what happened to Nancy

2186
01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:53.920
other than she moved away. They never say what happened

2187
01:57:53.960 --> 01:57:55.439
to her mother. We find out what happened to her

2188
01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:57.439
father in part three, that he just became a drunk,

2189
01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.359
much like her mother was, probably because he didn't believe

2190
01:58:00.399 --> 01:58:01.640
his daughter when she needed him.

2191
01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:02.640
You know.

2192
01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:05.960
She goes to college and becomes a sleep expert. So

2193
01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:08.560
there's all kinds of stuff in the sequels. But if

2194
01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:10.439
we look at the movie just as a standalone, which

2195
01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:13.199
is where it is the scariest, it's just that you

2196
01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:16.159
can't beat him. You know, you can't beat Freddie. You

2197
01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:18.720
know he's here, He's here, He's gonna this is your

2198
01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:22.920
nightmare forever. And honestly, I think that one of the

2199
01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:25.960
reasons I never made those connections is it is hard

2200
01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:29.000
for me to think of the film by itself and

2201
01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:31.840
not the whole lore of Freddie that I've been, you know,

2202
01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:34.640
consuming my whole life, because if I look at it

2203
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.199
as there's no more story after that, then they clearly lost.

2204
01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:43.199
So yeah, so that's my thought. But what about you,

2205
01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:43.720
what do you think?

2206
01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:51.479
I No, I am always I'm always a little surprised

2207
01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:56.800
with the end, just because it is a very downer

2208
01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:02.800
ending to a movie without using like totally downer imagery.

2209
01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:07.119
I think that's kind of genius, and I do like

2210
01:59:07.319 --> 01:59:10.239
the way that they set it up for the sequels.

2211
01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:13.840
I think that's, you know, a clever way of showing

2212
01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:17.720
that Freddy's still out there, just waiting to come to

2213
01:59:17.800 --> 01:59:24.479
your dreams. It's I don't know, I definitely think that

2214
01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:33.000
this one definitely is scariest as a standalone movie. Freddy

2215
01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:37.720
gets to be pretty goofy pretty fast in the series,

2216
01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:41.560
in the in the whole series of movies, and that

2217
01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:45.720
doesn't negate how scary the concept is, but it does,

2218
01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:49.039
like after a while, it's just like, oh, yeah, goofy,

2219
01:59:49.319 --> 01:59:50.560
goofy can't be Freddy.

2220
01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:53.279
Like I mean, by eighty seven, he was hosting music

2221
01:59:53.399 --> 01:59:57.920
videos on MTV. Yeah, that's a cultural icon. He just yeah,

2222
01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:02.000
he was a child murderer any young men making jokes

2223
02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:06.439
and playing a fool. But in this one, Freddy is

2224
02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:08.439
just straight up evil and that's what they tried to

2225
02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:12.039
recapture a new nightmare, Yeah, which they did a decent amount.

2226
02:00:12.359 --> 02:00:14.119
I think, so he's definitely scarier.

2227
02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:18.520
Yeah, I would have to agree, but yeah, I think

2228
02:00:18.600 --> 02:00:24.079
that there is a primal sort of fear that goes

2229
02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:29.239
with nightmares. And I think they really did a great

2230
02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:33.880
job of capturing that primal fear of getting the dream

2231
02:00:34.119 --> 02:00:40.119
imagery of having, you know, having a pursuer who is

2232
02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:43.800
always behind you, no matter where you go, no matter

2233
02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.720
what corner you duck behind, He's always going to show up.

2234
02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:51.439
And I don't know, I think that's a I think

2235
02:00:51.479 --> 02:00:56.920
that's a great premise for a villain. And I think

2236
02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:59.680
that this job. I think that this movie really pulled

2237
02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:02.479
it off. And I think that the ending makes that

2238
02:01:03.359 --> 02:01:07.159
kind of makes that terror real because there is no

2239
02:01:07.399 --> 02:01:07.920
escaping it.

2240
02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:10.840
Yeah, I mean, I would agree. And I think that

2241
02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.159
just the idea that the one place in the world

2242
02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:15.119
you're supposed to be the most safest and at ease

2243
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:18.840
is in your own bed. So and in your dreams.

2244
02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:20.640
I mean, because even if where you are isn't safe,

2245
02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:23.760
your dreams can be somewhere else. Yeah, but not a

2246
02:01:23.800 --> 02:01:27.319
Freddy's around. No, not Freddie's around. So I hope, I

2247
02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:30.520
hope you guys have enjoyed me. He's mostly me spurging

2248
02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:32.960
out about night ren ELM Street. But Rachel, Rachel said

2249
02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:35.399
stuff too that was valuable. I just can't help myself.

2250
02:01:35.600 --> 02:01:37.279
I really have loved this movie for as long as

2251
02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:40.239
I can think, and when I watched any of the movies,

2252
02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:42.880
I just immediately get the biggest smile on my face.

2253
02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:46.920
I mean Michelle, my co host on Monthly Spooky, when

2254
02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:49.159
she had shoulder surgery. I went to take care of

2255
02:01:49.159 --> 02:01:51.479
her for a few for about a week when she

2256
02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:55.079
was recovering, and I had brought my nightmarre elm Street

2257
02:01:55.079 --> 02:01:57.920
box set specifically to watch Part four because it's a

2258
02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:00.479
comfort movie for me. And then I found out she

2259
02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:02.960
had never seen any of them, so we proceeded to

2260
02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:06.039
watch all of them back to back, all seven of

2261
02:02:06.039 --> 02:02:09.560
the original films, not including Freddy Versus Jason, like to

2262
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:10.000
a day.

2263
02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:14.359
So that's a really good way to recover from surgery.

2264
02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:14.800
It was.

2265
02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:16.640
And then I made her on our old podcast. I

2266
02:02:16.720 --> 02:02:19.159
made her recite from memory the plot of each one,

2267
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:23.199
like a year after we'd done it. It was really funny.

2268
02:02:24.199 --> 02:02:27.239
It was really really funny. So anyway, on that note,

2269
02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:28.960
thank you guys for hanging out with us on cutting

2270
02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:32.520
deep into horror. I do love sitting and picking apart

2271
02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:37.479
some of this the mentality of horror, it really what

2272
02:02:37.640 --> 02:02:39.560
scares us is so interesting.

2273
02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:43.119
So I would have to agree. I think that's why we're.

2274
02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:45.760
Here on earth as people.

2275
02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:51.199
Yes, in that's just in general. Yeah, we're here to

2276
02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:51.840
be scared.

2277
02:02:52.039 --> 02:02:56.039
Okay, yeah, jeez, it feels a little dark, but fair enough.

2278
02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:57.960
Is there anything else you'd like to say about Nyburn

2279
02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:00.239
elm Street before we wrap our wrap our time up?

2280
02:03:01.560 --> 02:03:04.359
I just it's a great way to kick off Spooky season.

2281
02:03:05.239 --> 02:03:14.159
So and whatever you do, don't fall asleep. So what's

2282
02:03:14.199 --> 02:03:15.880
our next film? Do you happen to have that ready?

2283
02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:17.520
Yeah, it's going to be Candyman?

2284
02:03:17.920 --> 02:03:21.199
Oh Man, Tony Todd rest in peace? We lost him

2285
02:03:21.239 --> 02:03:25.560
this year. Yeah, Tony Todd's Candyman. That is a damn

2286
02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:28.479
fine film. So thank you guys so much for joining us.

2287
02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:30.520
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02:03:30.840 --> 02:03:33.960
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2299
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