Jan. 27, 2025

Monthly Spooky | Haunted Mansions, Bear Impersonators, and the Dark Myths of Horror

Monthly Spooky | Haunted Mansions, Bear Impersonators, and the Dark Myths of Horror

🎙️ Episode Highlights: In this thrilling episode of Monthly Spooky, hosts Henrique and Michelle blend dark humor with spine-chilling tales. Here’s what’s in store: - 🐻 The bizarre story of a bear impersonator and the chaos it created. - 🏚️ The...

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends

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In this thrilling episode of Monthly Spooky, hosts Henrique and Michelle blend dark humor with spine-chilling tales. Here’s what’s in store:

  • 🐻 The bizarre story of a bear impersonator and the chaos it created.
  • 🏚️ The unsettling mystery of an unsellable haunted mansion in England—could you survive a night there?
  • 🎥 Exploring the shocking myths around “snuff films” and their cultural ripple effects, featuring notorious classics like Faces of Death.
  • 📱 A deep dive into the evolution of horror in the digital age—what scares us now, and why do we love it so much?
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👨‍💼 Executive Producers: Rob Fields, Mark Shields, Bobbletopia.com

🎥 Produced by: Daniel Wilder

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The folly of pretending to be a bear, but not

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to steal picnic baskets. A mansion in England so haunted,

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no one seems to want to buy it, and who

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could possibly commit a cold blooded murder on film for profit?

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Get comfort, Turn off the lights.

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It's monthly spooky.

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Well, hello, my spookies. Yes, indeed, it is that time

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of the month. That's our catchphrase, whether we like it

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or not. I'm your I'm your host Enrique Kuto here

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with my good buddy co host and crying anime aficionado

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Michelle Michelle, how are you?

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I don't know.

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That's that? Is there? Answer? Y, Michelle? You just had

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a big, a big moment your podcast, Michelle explains anime

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poorly just wrapped up the final episode of Banana Fish,

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which is your favorite anime of all time. Apparently apparently,

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and it just published this previous Thursday. Yeah so, but uh,

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I watched Banana Fish and really enjoyed it. I'm excited

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to I haven't listened to your final episode yet, but

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I've been promised it's almost exclusively crying.

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It's crying at least half of it. Like there is

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a spot where I go, like I audibly go like,

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oh God, change of tone, and then I just start crying.

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So I tried to cut out a lot of those

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sniffs because it just seemed like you might not want

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to hear that. But there's definitely like crying sounds throughout, so.

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Well, it's kind of you to cut out the sniffs, not.

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All of them, just the ones I thought were really repetitive, just.

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The just the I kept the cream of the crop

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of Yeah, yeah, okay, I can appreciate that. Well, if

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those listening are fans of anime and would like to

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hear Michelle's podcast, I do recommend they check it out

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wherever you get your podcasts at Michelle you just type

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in Michelle explains anime poorly, and uh, you've been doing

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it for quite a while now, you've covered I think

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seven series. Is that so fun? Correct, Well, there's seven seasons.

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Okay, so I guess there's there's seven anime.

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Yeah.

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We did chainsaw Man, We've done ten Goku, Daimachio, We've

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done oh that really bad try Gun reboot that I hate.

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We've done like uh oh Windbreaker, and then I don't

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remember any of the other ones right now.

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That's okay, buddy, oh zero, yeah, yeah, yeah zero. I

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love that season.

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It's really good, and the second season is totally fine,

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and the third season's been okay so far.

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Well ree zero was the first anime I ever watched.

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You showed it to me. Yeah, And I really enjoyed

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those first two seasons. I've seen all of the second season. Yeah,

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yea yeah yeah yeah, so no, I really enjoyed it,

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and I really enjoy the podcast, and I enjoy the

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fact that, in many ways you have a podcast basically

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due to bullying, Like like I like soft bullied you

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into starting it, and now you can't ever stop it

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because it's expected of you.

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Yes, And and when I get really sad on it,

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sometimes people write to me and tell me that like that,

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like I that they care and stuff. And then I'm like,

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oh fuck, I have to just do this forever now.

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Yep, it's forever now, Buddy, Sorry about your luck.

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It's okay, it's okay, figure it out.

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Yeah maybe or maybe not or maybe not yeah yeah

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or maybe not. Stuff. I kept saying it. Do what

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I'm agreeing, Oh yeah, yeah. I just don't accepit. I

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don't think yes for an answer. That's my my Golden Rule.

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So but anyway, a lot's been going on. I guess

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in the new year, your new year started with you

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potentially having a new allergy. Yes, I hope, yeah, well yeah,

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you think you may be allergic to either fish or soy.

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Or I was thinking maybe I'm allergic to both of them,

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and when I combine them that is when the problem happens.

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But hopefully I will find out that I am allergic

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to something in the next week.

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It's like Captain Planet, when our powers combine, get an

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itchy thrown and throw up.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So that's that's the cartoon we all deserve growing up.

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I've been working tirelessly on weekly spooky stuff. It looks

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like we hadn't talked about this on the show like

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out Loud. I don't think, but it looks like I

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may have secured a decent partner to do the to

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continue terrifying and true Oh okay, because it's really hard

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to find researchers, but I found well one found me

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and was like, I write true crime. So I had

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them write two or I had the right one true

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crime story so far that they did for free to

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like show me how good they were and I thought

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it sounded good. I don't think it is overly enhanced

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with AI or whatever, because that was really what was

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starting to kill the experience was that people were you know,

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they weren't using AI for a supplement, they were just

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writing the entire content with AI, and I would look

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at it and go, this is not this is not

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going to work.

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Yeah.

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So on top of that, I've just been doing a

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lot of freelance work. The new year started off really busy,

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when usually the New Year's slow. So I mean, I'm happy,

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but I'm also tired. The last three months on weekly

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Spooky October, November, and December were some of the craziest

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busiest months of my entire life.

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So yeah, yeah, it's been It's been something. And then

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on top of all of that, winter exists and we

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got a crapload of snow two weeks ago, two or

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three weeks ago, and then we had an obscene cold snap.

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I know you had a cold snap, but ours was

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crazy cold.

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Yeah years. I mean yours was like ten degrees colder

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than ours, but ours was as cold as it ever

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is here.

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So yeah, this was the first time in a long

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time that I've seen the actual temperature reading be negative

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seven in Dayton, Ohio.

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Yeah, we don't usually get that cold here. We get

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cold usually we might get around there. We might get

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around there from say wind chill, like they might say like,

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well it feels like negative seven that we might get

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that bs science of feeling like but but but we

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never get like, yeah, it's just negative seven. And granted

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that happened at like three am, you know, so it

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wasn't like the middle of the day it was that cold.

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But it was like zero degrees by seven pm that day. Wow,

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crazy cold.

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Yeah, so it has been It has been quite cold,

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and the last two big winter things have been southerly,

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which is bizarre to like talk to friends in like

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Kentucky and Tennessee and they were getting more snow or

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more cold than us. Very unusual. So that was an

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interesting experience. Yeah, I had to shovel snow, which I

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still hate. I ordered an electric snow shovel, which is

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basically a handheld snowblower. I had never heard of them.

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My mother and her husband had got one, and they

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were like, wow, this is amazing, Like it saves you

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so much effort. So I looked it up and I

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was like, holy crap, this is not expensive and they

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have really good reviews. It's just a it's just a

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very basic snowblower kind of thing, but it looks like

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a snowshovel. It's not very big, it runs on batteries, okay,

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so but like, yeah, people were raving about it online,

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so I bought one, but the winter weather coming up

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stopped the shipment, so by the time I got it,

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there was almost no snow left to shovel. Sorry, so

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it is sitting in a box unassembled. I'm trying to

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remind myself to like assemble it before we have a

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snowstorm so that I'm not like, you know, in a

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panic trying to assemble this thing. But I will almost

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certainly do it that way though, it's pretty much guaranteed,

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especially now that I said it out loud.

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Yeah, that's okay, though, it's more fun when you have

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to like brush and then you're just going to get that's.

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What that is. It's way more fun that way, right, Yeah,

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I almost believe you. Yay. Well, tonight, obviously we're diving

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into some spooky news and I have some really interesting

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and oddball stories. They're little bit on the lighter side. Honestly,

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these new stories, like we didn't have a lot of

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really dark ones. But that's okay because tonight's main topic

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that we're gonna do a dive into is the world

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of snuff films. Oh shit, okay, best response ever. Yeah.

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I was trying to come up with something that would

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be interesting to dive into that has like a misunderstood

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nature and that we hadn't covered in the past many episodes,

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and that's the one I came up with, snuff films. Okay,

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So we'll be talking about that after the spooky News,

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But first we're gonna take a quick break and then

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we'll begin the aforementioned spooky news right after this, and

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we are back getting ready to dive into some chili

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and chilling spooky news. The spooky news. This one is

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from Huffington Post, and tell you have family in Florida, right, Yes,

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in Florida, Florida.

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I don't know why you're saying it like that, but yes.

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Because that's how it's spelled with an.

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Oh Florida Florida Florida f L O R I d

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A Florida, Oh Florida.

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Well, but you have family down there right. Yes, they've

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been experiencing quite a bit of cold and apparently when

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it gets really cold, they have a certain issue that

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arises that is very exclusive to Florida.

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I know what it is, but we can talk about

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it anyway.

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Well, this headline needs experts issue warning about falling iguanas

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in Florida. Yep, when temperatures drop in Florida, so do

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the iguanas. Meteorologists are predicting a cold spell in Florida

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and other parts of the southeast through next weekend. With

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it a potential rise in falling iguanas.

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Yeah. Yeah, they just fall right out of the trees.

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Well they get cold. Yeah, you know, don't you fall

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out of the tree when you get cold.

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I mean it was just a one time.

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Well, uh, did you ever have a pet iguana or

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have a friend who had a petaguana?

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No?

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No, all I wanted in the world was a petaguana

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when I was when I was like a young teen.

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They have salmonila.

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But there are a lot of benefits of having an iguana.

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That's just one. But no, I always wanted an iguana.

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But uh, the reason wasn't that my mom refused, It

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was that it was explained to me the amount of effort,

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and it was just so high. Yeah, and on top

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of that being a young kid, and I think mom

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was just kind of like, how about a cat or

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something like that. I don't remember. And then I didn't

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end up getting a cat for a few years until

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I caught one. So yeah, we were one of those families.

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I caught a cat and that became our cat.

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Yeah, that's how you do it.

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That was our cat, Neo. He was a kitten when

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I caught him. He was like, he couldn't have been

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twelve weeks old. Wow, yeah he was. He was because

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he used to snuggle with our poodle. We think it

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was because he was like, you know, missed his mom

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or whatever. So he would like, our poodle wanted nothing

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to do with Neo the cat, and the second our

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poodle want to sleep, Neo would come up and lay

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next to him and sleep with him. It was really cute.

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So but my mom initially was just like that cat's

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the devil because we had him in a box and

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when you'd open it, he'd just hiss and claw at you.

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can't keep him unless he tames out. So I held

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that damn cat for hours and just let him claw

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me while I like reassured him and petted him. The

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whole time. He was like angrily clawing me until he

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realized he was safe. I still have like little tiny

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nicks and scars on my arm. He ripped me up. No,

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for real, but I so desperately didn't want to get

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rid of him, Like I really loved that cat. So

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I would just pet him and if he got scared

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or whatever and scratch man, it's like, it's fine, it's fine,

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it's fine. I wouldn't get angry, I wouldn't whatever. And

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eventually he did. All right, good, Yeah, he was a

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he was a cool cat. He lived to be almost sixteen.

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What I think that's funny? No, how rude, harsh? Okay, fine, Well,

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I'm fascinated by the idea that iguanas are just wild

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in Florida. It's always blown my mind.

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Nope, nope, they're not supposed to be there. Well, it

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doesn't mean they're not wild, yeah, but they were wild

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because people let them out of their house.

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Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I'm not debating that. It's

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just but they're in the wild. They're just loose. They exist. Yeah, yeah,

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like they should.

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It's like when I watch videos of people in Australia

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and they just have cockatoos, like yeah on their roof

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and I'm like, what the hell, that's a pet bird here.

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But yeah, my friend Fred, when he moved back to Florida,

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I was always fascinated. He'd take pictures of the iguanas

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all around. And apparently they're not bad eating either. Ew. Well,

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you don't eat lizards. Well, you don't eat meat.

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I don't want salmonella.

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That's why you cook it.

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Well, okay, fine.

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The cold blooded creatures commonly live in tree tops in

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the sunshine to state, but tend to pass out when

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temperatures drop. As a result, the hyper enating lizards lose

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their grips on branches or rooftops and fall to the

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ground or on an unfortunate passerby. They're really big too, Yeah,

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they can get gigantic. Yeah. Oh wait, that's actually the

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next thing you mentioned. Considering that iguanas can grow up

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to five feet long and weigh as much as twenty

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five pounds, it's no wonder that experts are issuing a

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warning about the potential chance of injury from raining reptiles. Wow,

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is that why you don't go down to Florida that

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much to see family because you just know you'll get

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pelted with iguanas.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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Happening to you. You just be walking down the street

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mining your own business, being like it's so sunny today,

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and then an iguana would just hit you right on

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the head and you'd be like, ow.

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I mean, considering I've had animals just fall on me before, maybe.

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When when was less than we had an animal just

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fall on.

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You, like a year or two ago, when it had

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the squirrel just fall on me.

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Okay, fair enough, I've never had a squirrel just fall

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on me. I can't pretend I have.

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Well, he was attached to a like a sewer vent stack,

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event stack that wasn't attached to the building anymore, and

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I moved it, and he lost his balance and fell

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on me and grabbed like the my my hoodie and

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was like hanging on for dear life.

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Okay, that's pretty good, that's pretty solid.

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Yeah. I thought I was gonna die because I thought

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something else fell like a part of the cast iron

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t pipe. But it was just just a squirrel.

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You can't make this shit up. Joe was let Luski,

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a biologist an iguana expert, told Patch in twenty twenty

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two that if the temperature is under forty degrees, quote,

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it's going to happen. If it's in the fifties, they're slow.

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If it's in the forties, they're on the brink of falling.

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And if it's in the thirties, they're down.

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Uh Wassuluski said, Falling iguana season is often a shock

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to snowbirds and transplants. Yeah, falling iguana season would be

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a surprise. Quote when it gets cold like this. It's

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funny to those who aren't from here to see the

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news people talking about iguanas falling from trees. But it

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can and will happen, he said. Michael Rangquilo, a professional

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iguana remover, suggests people Minimi Florida is just different. Minimize

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the chance of falling iguanas by trimming back trees from rooftops,

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wrapping trees with material that the creatures can't grip more,

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or by installing fake owls as a deterrent.

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I didn't even think of owls versus iguanas. Apparently it's

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gotta be makes sense. Iguanas are kind of in that

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like range of like what an owl would eat, and

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owls are vicious predators. If you do run into a

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past out iguana, Ronquillo suggests calling a professional rather than

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removing the animal yourself to say.

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Touch it, I said, don't touch it. Actually, yeah, I'm sorry.

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As soon as it warms up, it will begin to

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move normally again, he told NBC Miami. If they are concerned,

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they will defend themselves. They will try to tail whip you.

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They can whip their tails at thirty miles per hour,

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he ad it. They have very sharp teeth, very sharp nails,

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so if you don't have experience, you should not attempt

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to grab them. Okay, well that's a great suggestion, but

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I'm grabbing all the iguanas I can get my hands on. Okay,

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Well I'm sorry, it's just the same.

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Well, I mean you really should, though, because there are

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people in there in Florida who their whole job is

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getting rid of iguanas. So you can. I'm sure you

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can take them where you take them to Ohio?

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Yeah, yeah, thank you. So you feel good to be supported, Yeah,

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I mean I'm definitely glad I'm not in Florida for

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that reason, and also hurricanes. Yeah, but that's just me.

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So well, we're gonna take a quick break and then

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things are gonna get a little bit harrier right here

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on Monthly Spooking Michelle. Yeah, when it comes to insurance claims,

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do you find the process unbearable?

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Not really?

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No, oh, because this story from NPR. The headline is

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they told insurers a bear damaged their car, but it

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was actually a person in a costume.

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Oh god.

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Four residents from the Los Angeles area were arrested this

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week after an investigation by the California Department of Insurance

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revealed that they had allegedly used a life sized bear

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costume to stage attacks on their vehicle in an attempt

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to secure a six figure payout.

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Okay, I could see that. That's that's creative.

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Yeah, this is gonna be tough. The suspects, Reuben Tamranzian

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twenty six, Arat Chicken nut Cherkininian thirty nine, Vahe Murad

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Kadyandjan thirty two, and alifya Zuckerman that's a comboy like

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thirty nine have been charged with insurance fraud ind conspiracy.

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According to an announcement made by the department on Wednesday,

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their alleged scam costs three insurance companies a total of

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one hundred and forty thirty nine dollars. Wow Quote Operation

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bear Claw end Quote began earlier this year after one

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of their claims gave an insurance company pause or should

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we say pause pawspr In January, the suspects claimed that

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a bear had entered their twenty ten Rolls Royce Ghost

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and caused interior damage while it was parked in Lake Arrowhead,

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a region in the San Bernardino Mountains known for its

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large black bear population. Hmm, man, I I mean you

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guys aren't doing good enough. You have a Rolls Royce.

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Granted it's like it's like fourteen years old, but still.

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Okay, I'm already confused. So has they have a large

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black bear population in this area? Why didn't they just

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put peanut butter all over the car and just get

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the bears, get real bears.

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I guess then you'd have to scrub the peanut butter

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off and also like tried maybe they tried that.

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Yeah, and it just didn't work.

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Yeah, Oh god, it gets better. The suspects provided video

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footage of the alleged incident to their unnamed insurance company,

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which the departments had since posted online. The video shows

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a furry figure entering through the side door, climbing around

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the back seat, and crawling out, leaving scratch marks on

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the leather seats and door. The video is where you

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messed up, guys, because you were like you were like, hey,

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so this bear totally ripped up my car, and I

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totally really did happen because I have a video.

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Yeah, I was filming the whole thing. I just waited

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until he got there and then I started rolling.

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Yeah. The best thing to do there would be like,

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I don't know why this happened. I'm not a bear expert.

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You ensure my car, that's all I know. Please help me.

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Here's a video of the damage, you know, Like, yeah,

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I got nothing else for you. The suspect, Oh there

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we go upon quote. Upon further scrutiny of the video,

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the investigation determined the bear was actually a person in

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a bear costume. Officials said, yeah. Detectives found two more

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claims involving the same suspects, from the same date and location,

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but involving different cars. Wow, a twenty fifteen Mercedes GS

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six three AMG and a twenty twenty two Mercedes E

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three point fifty.

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Wow.

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I assume those are expensive cars. I know the name Mercedes,

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that's all.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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The suspects also also provided video footage of these alleged incidents,

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which followed a similar pattern to the first, but suspicious

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authorities didn't rely solely on their animal instincts. They took

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additional steps to sniff out the truth. See. Sometimes I'm like,

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you guys are right, AI, we gotta stop it, And

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other times they're like, no, replace the journalists sniff out

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the truth? Uh, the department quote. The department had a

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biologist from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife review

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of the three alleged bear videos, and they also opined

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it was clearly a human and a bear suit.

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Yeah, it's not that hard to tell the difference. I

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don't think.

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Well it gets it gets even better.

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Yeah.

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Detectives executed a search warrant and found the bear costume,

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complete with a furry snouted head, pause, and metal tools

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in the shape of claws, in the suspects homes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, wouldn't you get rid of it?

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No, they were going to use it again.

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Honestly, they probably were.

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Yeah, why else would they keep it? Maybe it was

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or maybe they were going to use it for a

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Halloween costume next year.

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The best part is they have a photo of the

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bear costume. It's very rudimentary. Yeah, it's not very convincing.

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It also doesn't look like a black bear at all.

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It looks like a grizzly bear or a brown bear.

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I'm sure there are grizzly bears there too.

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Maybe I don't know. Man.

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Did the bear have to open the car door to

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get inside or was it open already?

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Bears have open car doors. Okay, fine, that's why you

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should always lock your car door.

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That's the reason.

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Oh well, it's one of many. Yes, there are other

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reasons too. The fur of the costume is a light

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brown color. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife says

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black bears are the only wild bears in the state,

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although they can be found in various shades, including brown

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and tan. California grizzly bears became extinct in ninth in

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the nineteen twenties, except for the one depicted on the

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state flag, the one of the state flag is not

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is not extinct.

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It's not real.

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It's a drawing.

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It can't be extinct.

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I don't understand the point they made there.

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I don't know what they're what they're doing.

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The insurance Department says the Glendale Police Department and the

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California Highway Patrol helped invest to get the case, which

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has been referred to the San Bernardino County District Attorney's

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Office for prosecution. The District Attorney's office informed NPR via

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email on Thursday that the case is currently under review

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for a filing determination, essentially the decision to charge suspects

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with a crime. Once that decision is made, court dates

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and appearances will be scheduled. Okay, so if you were

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gonna commit insurance fraud, how would you do it?

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I would I would like, if I was gonna do

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like this kind of thing, I would go all the

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way and make it like a like a bigfoot.

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Fastquatch did it?

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Yeah, exactly, And I'd be like, That's why I was filming,

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because I saw one and it just ran out to

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my car and open the door and just destroy everything.

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It started wrecking my bends. What am I supposed to do?

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I don't. Yeah, I don't know why I have this car,

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00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.599
and that I just wanted to, like, I wouldn't wreck

466
00:26:57.640 --> 00:26:59.319
my car. It's an expensive car. I don't know how

467
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.680
many chumpen to for it.

468
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:05.839
Yeah, really, And I don't even want to talk about

469
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.440
what Mothman did to my tires.

470
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:09.920
But I can show you on video if you want.

471
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.400
Yeah, but I have a video of it, of course,

472
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.400
of course, because that's how you know it's not fraud.

473
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.000
Is because and I do say like no, wait stop

474
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.160
in the video, and he doesn't stop.

475
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.079
I don't know what's worse. So if they hadn't had,

476
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.799
if they hadn't shared a video, I think that would

477
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:34.160
have actually raised less red flags probably, Yeah. But the

478
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.960
fact that they had declared like three very similar insurance

479
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.119
claims all at once, I guess it could have happened

480
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.119
if they were all together somewhere. I guess the bear

481
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:46.240
try and make that argument.

482
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.759
The bear just went into three of the cars, Yeah.

483
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.880
Looking for stuff. I mean, there could have been food

484
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.839
and there there's nothing nothing is illegal about keeping a

485
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.640
picnic basket in your car, at least that's my understanding.

486
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.039
Boo boo, that's I'm gonna start calling you booboo? Is that? Okay?

487
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.039
I don't know.

488
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.319
Okay, good, But all I'm saying is if they had

489
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.319
dumped the bear suit and they hadn't made a video,

490
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.039
they probably could have got away with this.

491
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:15.519
Yeah.

492
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.079
Yeah, in an area where there are lots of bears,

493
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:20.920
I bet they could have got away with it.

494
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.400
I mean, it depends on how much the insurance company

495
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.519
is going to like look into the damage to the

496
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.160
car too, because I'm sure it doesn't look like damage

497
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.319
a bear did. It looks like damage a person did.

498
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.880
Yeah, that is the next element. Yeah, you're right, I

499
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:35.279
don't know.

500
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.599
But at that point, it's like, why say you know

501
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.559
what it did it anyway? Why not just say like

502
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.799
it came out, everything's all torn up? What do I do?

503
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.599
Help me?

504
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.200
Yeah that's a good point. I mean you could just

505
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.400
have some person destroy it in downtown LA. I'm sure.

506
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.119
Yeah, Like, like, why wouldn't you just drive it to

507
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:55.200
a really bad area.

508
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.880
I think a homeless person did this to my car,

509
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:03.039
but I have no idea exactly. Yeah, well maybe next

510
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.279
time if they don't do hard time, and it's Los

511
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:09.200
Angeles so they probably won't. We're gonna take a quick

512
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.039
break and We'll be back with even more spooky news

513
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:27.559
that's even more unbearable. Eh. After this, we are back

514
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:33.079
and we have another story that is a bit unbearable.

515
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.559
I'm just gonna keep using the exactly unbearable. This one's

516
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:44.000
not as funny, not at all. From NPR. Again. Sorry,

517
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.400
I said, yeah, yeah, well you like NPR, So this

518
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.839
one's from NPR. The headline a man told nine one

519
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.880
one a bear chased him off a cliff. Weeks later,

520
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.799
he was arrested for murder.

521
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.880
What the or the guy?

522
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.000
The guy baby? Actually, I haven't read this all the

523
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.920
way through. In mid October, a man called police in

524
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.519
eastern Tennessee claiming a bear had chased him off a cliff,

525
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.799
but authorities arrived on the scene to find the body

526
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.839
of a different man, sparking a multi state manhunt for

527
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.960
the caller that ended with his arrest on murder charges

528
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.880
this weekend. What like?

529
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.799
So what did he think he was just pretending to

530
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:28.480
be the other guy?

531
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.680
Or I think so. I think he was trying to

532
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:36.640
create reasonable doubt that it was anything other than a bear. Yes, authority,

533
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.599
say Nicholas Wayne Hamlet forty five, Well, you can't trust

534
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.319
somebody named Hamlet. We all know how that goes. Forty

535
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.240
five befriended and lured his victim into a wooded area

536
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.319
to take both his life and his identity.

537
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.119
Oh oh shit, Okay.

538
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.960
Hamlet, who was using an alias at the time, has

539
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.680
a lengthy criminal history and was already wanted in Alabama

540
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:04.160
for parole violation. Man, this is a real one right here.

541
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.400
He's just like, well, I'm going to commit some more

542
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:07.000
crimes though.

543
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.279
Yeah, I mean he's already violating parole, so whatever.

544
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.000
Yeah. Yeah, literally, anything illegally you do is immediately even

545
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:15.720
a double crime because of parole.

546
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.200
Yeah.

547
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.599
After the October incident, another warrant was issued for Hamlet's

548
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.640
arrest on first degree murder charges in Moreau County, Tennessee. Wow.

549
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.480
State and federal authorities warraned that Hamlet, whom they considered

550
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.920
dangerous and potentially armed, was known to travel under aliases.

551
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:36.839
They urged Hamlet to turn himself in and ask the

552
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.039
public for help. The US Marshal Service offered up to

553
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:46.480
five thousand dollars for information leading to his arrest. I

554
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:51.119
mean five grand for information is pretty good, I guess, yeah, yeah,

555
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.319
I mean it's not like you know, the the rewards

556
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.200
you get for like actually turning someone in.

557
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.880
I guess, but yeah, it's kind of low. I mean,

558
00:31:58.880 --> 00:31:59.960
I don't want to tell them anything.

559
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.799
After many weeks of searching and one Halloween night spotting,

560
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.279
Hamlet was taken into custody in Columbia, South Carolina on Sunday.

561
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.640
Quote after observing Hamlet at a local hospital, a good

562
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.200
citizen alerted the authorities and brought this manhunt to a

563
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.200
peaceful end, Monroe County Sheriff Tommy Jones said in a release.

564
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:25.640
Columbia police say a hospital employee recognized Hamlet and alerted authorities,

565
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.559
who verified his identity using fingerprints. They say arrangements are

566
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.319
being made with the Tennessee authorities to extradite Hamlet to

567
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:34.200
Monroe County.

568
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.480
It's good, Yeah, yeah.

569
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.960
I suppose so. But here's where the story gets really weird.

570
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.160
Is now they're going to tell they're talking about like

571
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.960
what happened in the woods. The Monroe County Sheriff's office

572
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.880
says a distressed hiker called nine one one shortly before

573
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.200
midnight on October eighteenth, claiming to be mister Brandon Andraid

574
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:03.759
or Andrade Okay he had quote, he advised the dispatcher

575
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.920
that he had fallen off a cliff while running from

576
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.119
a bear, it said, adding that the call came from

577
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.839
a near bridge on the Chirohala Skyway, a forty three

578
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.880
mile national scenic byway in teleco planes. Quote. The distressed

579
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.640
caller claimed that he was injured and partially in the water.

580
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.240
H According to the dispatch call obtained by the Knoxville

581
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.960
News Sentinel, the man's subject, the male subject had quote

582
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.480
hit his head, was quote unable to move, and his

583
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.279
phone only had quote two percent battery. Unable to get

584
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:47.240
him back on nine one one. I mean, this is

585
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.200
quite the plot, it really is.

586
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:50.200
I mean it's pretty good.

587
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:56.720
Geez, you're dark. Search and rescue teams rushed to the

588
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.599
area and found a man's body with an identification of

589
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:05.680
mistic brand Christopher Andrade on his persons. He was transported

590
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.039
to the forensic center while investigators combed the scene. After

591
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.559
further investigation, detectives determined that the deceased man was not

592
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:17.000
Brandon ANDRADEID. In fact, they said that identification had been

593
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.079
stolen and used on multiple occasions in this case, as

594
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:27.599
they quickly discovered by hamlet. Huh miss, Yeah, this is

595
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.239
getting confusing.

596
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
Yeah please yeah, So like, so are we saying that

597
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.920
he pretend he was trying to fake his death of

598
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.400
his alias by killing this other person? Is that what

599
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:38.880
we're saying?

600
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.039
That might be? I think we're gonna find out more.

601
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.119
Mister Hamlet had used a false name when speaking with

602
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.639
law enforcement in Knox County, Tennessee, after the distressed hiker call,

603
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.559
the Sheriff's office explained, before his real identity had been verified.

604
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.800
Mister Hamlet is believed to have fled from his Tennessee residence.

605
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.639
That set off a multi agency investigation by the Tennessee

606
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:04.719
Bureau Investigation FBI and others to locate Hamlet and identify

607
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:09.960
the victim. On November fourth, the Monroe County Sheriff's Office

608
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.920
announced it had identified the victim as thirty four year

609
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.559
old Stephen Douglas Lloyd of Knoxville, Tennessee. It said Lloyd,

610
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.880
a foster child who had been adopted by a great

611
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.800
and loving family, suffered from trust issues and mental health issues,

612
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.880
including reactive attachment disorder. Jesus, you're the one who said

613
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:33.320
this was good. Yeah, yeah, you're a monster. No, that

614
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.320
poor child, Well, he was thirty four.

615
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:37.760
It doesn't matter.

616
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.039
Quote. Stephen was known to leave home and live on

617
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.199
the streets, but kept in contact with his family. The

618
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.440
Sheriff's office said Stephen loved the outdoors and was so

619
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.239
helpful when it came to others. The family was shocked

620
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.360
to learn that their beloved son his life had been

621
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.239
taken by someone that Stephen trusted. Authorities did not specify

622
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.599
how long the two men had known each other, but

623
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.599
said hamlet quote met Stephen, befriended him, and lured him

624
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:14.960
into a wooden area to take Stephen's life and his identity. Yeah. Yeah,

625
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.440
not so not so great, now, are you? Chell?

626
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.719
Why do you got to kill the guy with the

627
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.320
trust issues who's like homeless most of the time, Like,

628
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:24.239
why you gotta do that?

629
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.320
Honestly, I don't know. You think of he had trust issues,

630
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.000
he wouldn't go into the woods, but I.

631
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.159
Guess he trusted this guy. No, It's like he was

632
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.719
he was finally kind of coming out of his like.

633
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.440
Okay, yeah, that's sad. It's sad. Shell's just like I

634
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.280
can't believe how sad this murder is. What the hell?

635
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.760
Chill official said at an October thirtieth press conference that

636
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.719
Lloyd's cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head,

637
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.159
adding that his injuries were quote not consistent with a

638
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.840
bear attack or a fall from a very high elevated

639
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.679
They also said his killing was quote not an isolated

640
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:08.760
incident by any means, given Hamlet's violent criminal history. Hamlet

641
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.079
was arrested in Alabama in two thousand and nine over

642
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.880
an incident in which he held a man at gunpoint

643
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.920
and attempted to kill him with a baseball bat, with

644
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.800
plans to eventually bury his body in a rural area.

645
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.159
So he was gonna hold He was holding the guy

646
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:24.880
at gunpoint, but he was going to kill him with

647
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:25.679
a baseball bat.

648
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.760
I guess, you know, in two thousand and nine, bullets

649
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.199
weren't that expensive. Man. I don't know. Maybe he was

650
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.960
trying to keep the noise down and guns are very traceable.

651
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.559
Maybe that was his thought. Honestly, I don't think thinking

652
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:40.079
is really this guy's strong suit.

653
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.000
Well it seems like he's really trying though, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

654
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.320
and failing spectacularly. Yeah.

655
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.480
Citing court records, the site says Hamlet was going by

656
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.280
the name Joshua Jones when he approached the victim, so

657
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:56.360
quote he could get some insurance. Hamlet had had four

658
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.840
who had four prior felony convictions, was charged with a

659
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.719
tempted murder and kidnapping, but ultimately pleaded to the lesser

660
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.199
offense of felony assault. Hamlet was sentenced to twenty years

661
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.239
in prison in twenty twelve and paroled in twenty sixteen.

662
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:14.800
That's really fast, parole.

663
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:15.920
It is really fast.

664
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.159
Yeah. Usually parole is closer to halfway. Yeah, through your service.

665
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.079
In the weeks after Lloyd's death, authorities urged the public

666
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.400
to be on the lookout for Hamlet, and also for

667
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.639
Hamlet to turn himself in. Quote, let's end this peacefully,

668
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.679
turn yourself in, have your day in court. Joseph Coirico,

669
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.760
the Special Agent in charge of the FBI's Nashville Field office,

670
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.400
said at the press conference, we will find you, no

671
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.119
matter where you hide. Authorities warned that Hamlet has ties

672
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.480
to Tennessee, Montana, Alaska, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Florida, suggesting

673
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.960
he had fled to another state. Their hunch proved correct.

674
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.159
On Halloween night. Police in Chapin, South Carolina, where Hamlet

675
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.239
apparently had a has family, said he was reported to

676
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.440
be in the area and urged trigger treaters to be

677
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.719
extra vigilant. They confirmed that he was spotted near the

678
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.960
local high school in the early morning of November first,

679
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.119
and that state and federal authorities were searching the area.

680
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.239
First of all, I want to say, how fun for

681
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.000
those kids to be, like, all right, kids have fun

682
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.039
trigger treating, but there might be a murderer out there.

683
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.280
Then that'd be so fun.

684
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:22.360
Yeah.

685
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.679
These are twisted takes, but I'm going to share them anyway.

686
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.039
The other thing is not saying this is what happened.

687
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:33.599
But between Halloween and November one, someone pointed out to

688
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.920
the police he was there. Could it have been the

689
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.960
spirit of who he murdered, because the barrier between living

690
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.920
and dead is permeable. Maybe if I were writing this

691
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.360
as a story, yes, that would be what happened. Yeah,

692
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.679
although then it says this. Their efforts were unsuccessful. The

693
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.280
following Friday, a week after the citing police at Hamlet

694
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.440
was no longer believed to be in town. Two days later,

695
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.920
he was spotted at the hospital and Columbia, about twenty

696
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.840
five miles away. Officials with Carolina's Regional Fugitive Task Force

697
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.760
said a dehydrated Hamlet had checked into the hospital as

698
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:13.800
a John Doe. ABC affiliate WPTDE reports that's where police

699
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.920
say and employee recognized him with it from a wanted poster.

700
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.840
The sharing of Hamlet's wanted poster led the public, whom

701
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.880
is our most valuable resource to act as our eyes

702
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:30.280
and our ears? Joan said, So he killed somebody to

703
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.239
try and make it look like his alias was dead

704
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.360
and then steal their identity. Yeah, yeah, the old switcheroo,

705
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.079
I suppose. Yeah, Well, we're going to take a quick

706
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.679
break and we'll be back with an even more unbearable

707
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.039
I'm kidding. There no more stories about bears. We're dumb

708
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.480
with bears. No more bears tonight. No more fake bears

709
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.599
is the better way to put it. But we'll be

710
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:06.599
right back after this, all right, Michelle, we are back.

711
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:12.440
No more bears, no more fraud, no more well, I think,

712
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:18.039
no more crime. Okay to be seen, well until we

713
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.599
get to stuff films later on our topic, which that's

714
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:25.199
all crime all the time. But this story is from

715
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.079
the suspiciously absent from the first half of the show.

716
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.400
Mirror dot co dot UK.

717
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.039
Yeah, it's all been like NPR and stuff.

718
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.480
Yeah, not all right, we gotta get we gotta get

719
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.679
mirror dot code dot UK in here. So this story

720
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.400
caught my attention immediately and I felt like maybe you

721
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.920
would get a kick out of it too. The headline

722
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:53.440
is Adele slammed for quote blighting sale of six pound

723
00:41:53.559 --> 00:42:02.039
house by claiming it's haunted. Whoa superstar? Adele has been

724
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.159
accused of blighting the sale of a six million pound

725
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.119
country mansion she lived in for six months by claiming

726
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:10.199
it was haunted.

727
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:13.639
How would this be helpful?

728
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:15.960
How to be helpful?

729
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:17.800
Yeah? What does she get out of this?

730
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.159
Uh? Probably just the clout of just an interesting social

731
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.800
media post. Oh, I mean well it depends, like we'll see,

732
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.559
like if she claims like it was haunted, as in

733
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.880
like she woke up with like scratches on her legs

734
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:32.400
and stuff, is very different from when she was like

735
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.559
I just never really felt alone there. So I sold

736
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.400
it to whatever La la laul. You know, I'm not

737
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.920
sure where we're going with this yet. The someone like

738
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.719
you Starr told a chat show that grade two listed

739
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:51.599
ten bedroom Lockehouse in West Sussex was quite scary. Okay,

740
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.800
now the owner okay, So it was just something to

741
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.920
say on a talk show Okay. Now, the owner says

742
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:04.559
he has been forced to try to transform the converted convent. Okay,

743
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.559
hold on, I'm gonna finish reading this before I get

744
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.719
a little mad. Now the owner says he's been forced

745
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.880
to try to transform the converted convent into flats rather

746
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.039
than find a buyer because the singer has made it unsellable. Okay,

747
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:27.400
you have a house that was once a convent. That's spooky.

748
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:29.840
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

749
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.760
That's totally spooky, right yeah, yeah, Okay, sorry to get

750
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.159
my dander up, but like that actually kind of pissed

751
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.159
me off. Wait.

752
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.880
Yeah, and at least what she said so far that

753
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.679
was fine. She hasn't said anything, you know.

754
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.440
Yeah, and like I'm looking at a picture of the place.

755
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:55.960
It looks like a fucking convent. Yeah, it looks It's

756
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.119
beautiful in that way that everything in England is scary.

757
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.840
Nicholas Sutton said that her remarks quote negatively impacted future

758
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.719
marketing and even led to a prospective buyer pulling out

759
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:11.920
of a potential sale.

760
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.360
Wouldn't they want to buy it because Adele was there?

761
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.519
Yeah, you'd think that would make it famous. Although that's

762
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.400
where it gets tricky too, is like, you know, Adele

763
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.599
could have just said it was horrible and drafty and rapists.

764
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.400
Yeah no, specifico. Could you expand on that big No, no, no,

765
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.519
I can't help you. After detailing a history of issues

766
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.760
with the property in Partridge Green, Sussex, mister Sutton, who

767
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:41.159
said its reputation was affected by the singer, is now

768
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.519
seeking permission to transform the mansion into three houses and

769
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.159
a cottage.

770
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.679
He is just doing this because he wants to make

771
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.960
more money.

772
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:56.000
Something like that. I mean, first of all, I mean

773
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:00.639
maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I don't know jack about new

774
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:08.119
about England, which is fair. But like if I were

775
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.360
buying a property worth six million pounds, I had that

776
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.880
kind of money and then I saw that I wouldn't

777
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.000
I wouldn't give up on the sale. I just try

778
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.559
to get like a million pounds off, I'd be like, well,

779
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.519
I'm a jerk. So I'm gonna mention that I saw

780
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:25.679
Adele say this place is pretty scary. I think, you know,

781
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.920
is it a million pounds scary or a million and

782
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:33.159
a half pounds scary? That's what I I That's why

783
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:41.559
I'm like, what what? But uh? Yeah? The Edwardian property

784
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.519
is set with an acres of formal gardens and mature

785
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.800
grounds with indoor and outdoor swimming pools, a tennis court,

786
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.079
and a helicopter pad, so if.

787
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.159
The ghost got really bad, you could just take a

788
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.159
helicopter out of there. I don't know what the problem is.

789
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.679
See, this is completely makes sense to me.

790
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.280
Yeah.

791
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.199
In twenty twelve, Grammy Award winning star Adele now thirty six,

792
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.039
rented the home for a half a year, but did

793
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.800
not renew her tendency after claiming it was haunted. It

794
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.320
was believed the singer, estimated to be worth one hundred

795
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.000
and seventy million pounds, lived there with her then boyfriend

796
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.480
and now ex husband, Simon Koneccki. In an interview with

797
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.639
CBS that year, she told host Anderson Cooper that her house,

798
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.639
which was said to have almost no furniture, was a

799
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:32.199
bit of a cliche. This bit's all quite scary, really,

800
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.159
She told him it was a convent for a little while.

801
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.719
At the time, it was reported that the singer, who

802
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:41.760
had released award winning the award winning album twenty one

803
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.639
the previous year, had asked her bodyguard to move in

804
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.239
with her over fears it was haunted. Your bodyguard gonna

805
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.079
do shoot the ghost, I guess with his no gun,

806
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.760
probably because he's in England, and she was reported as

807
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:01.920
saying the home quote gives me the creeps. In a

808
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.360
planning application presented to Horsham District Council, mister Sutton said

809
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.199
the property, which is currently up for sale for five

810
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.519
point nine nine five and I didn't read that right

811
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:17.280
five point nine to nine million pounds, operated as a

812
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.719
convent in the nineteen seventies before it was bought by

813
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.360
him in two thousand and three. Upon acquiring oh.

814
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.679
Sorry, oh no, I just said, okay, oh fine.

815
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.800
Upon acquiring it, he undertook significant refurbishment in which he

816
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.639
converted the chapel used by the nuns into a family

817
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.719
kitchen and installed a swimming pool, among other changes. I

818
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.440
thought that was just the best convent ever. The convent,

819
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.480
featuring two swimming pools, one indoor and outdoor, was beloved

820
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.000
by the local nuns. Mister Sutton claimed that since renting

821
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.519
the property to Adele, he has struggled to sell the

822
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:55.360
home unfortunately. During an interview on CBS, A Dell remark

823
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.280
that she believed the house to be haunted. He said

824
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:02.039
this committed comment negatively impact future marketing efforts and continues

825
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.559
to affect the property's reputation to this day.

826
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:06.000
Yeah.

827
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.679
I just think it might be that this place is

828
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.079
too expensive.

829
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.039
Maybe or maybe like there's stuff that's wrong with it

830
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.960
too that we're not hearing about. I just I can't.

831
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.320
I can't believe it's her fault. It's not her fault.

832
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.639
Well, and apparently he's asking for permission to turn it

833
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.480
into into three houses, so I guess they're the government

834
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.920
has to tell him if he can or can't do it. Well.

835
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.440
Yeah, like it's probably like there's probably a zoning issue.

836
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.320
Ah yeah, I hate zoning.

837
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.239
Yeah.

838
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.519
Uh, the homeowner said. After Adele made the remarks, he

839
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.679
relisted the house for sale and quote despite renewed marketing efforts,

840
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.039
no offers were received.

841
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.559
I wonder if it's just overpriced.

842
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.400
That's what I was thinking.

843
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.360
Yeah, that's usually why people don't, you know, pay money

844
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.159
for things.

845
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.599
I mean it has a helicopter pad. Yeah. How many

846
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.280
people that have that kind of coin are going to

847
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.000
buy that place? You know? How many people are there

848
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:06.800
to buy that place?

849
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:08.880
Yeah? Yeah?

850
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.639
He said. He has quote actively tried to sell the

851
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:15.400
property for about fourteen years, and despite the property being

852
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.239
consistently marketed by top Asians like that of Sayvilles and

853
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.280
Strutt and Parker. He said, no offers have been forthcoming.

854
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.800
It sounds like it's overpriced. Man, that's before Adele only

855
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.920
said these things like a couple of years ago or something.

856
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:33.679
Yeah. Yeah, I mean even if she hadn't, it's still

857
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.800
it's still definitely overpriced. Because that's why things don't sell

858
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.239
that don't not sell because there's ghosts, because there are

859
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.639
people who want to live places that are haunted. They

860
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.840
just need to be able to afford to live there.

861
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:46.800
Yeah, and they don't make that kind of money on

862
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:55.079
ghost TikTok, so they do not struggle, mister Sutton added quote.

863
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.639
Full marketing efforts were made, including brochures, professional photography, advertising

864
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.400
and cun life national PR campaigns and exposure on all

865
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.320
major property portals. The only offer received over the years

866
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.199
was in August of twenty twenty, but the prospective buyer

867
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.440
withdrew after learning about the property supposed haunted status, which

868
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.880
was publicly mentioned by Adele during her tendency. So I'm

869
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.000
assuming Chell, because you work in real estate somewhat. I

870
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.119
mean you're a home inspector. When people back out of sales.

871
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.840
That's almost never happens, right, Like, people almost never back

872
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.840
out of buying things, right, Like, it's it would have

873
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.159
to be because of a ghost because otherwise nobody ever

874
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.280
says they're going to buy something and then doesn't buy.

875
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.039
It, right, Yeah, I mean one of my last inspections

876
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.840
that people didn't end up buying it. And it probably

877
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.960
wasn't because the stove didn't work and there might have

878
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.440
been mold and like I don't even remember, oh right,

879
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.960
the gutter system was like just off the whole house,

880
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.360
Like it wasn't those things, and how scared they were

881
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.199
when I was telling them about it. It was the

882
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.320
fact that they were scared because they were there, and

883
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.000
the ghosts were also there standing behind me.

884
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:11.480
And freaking out too spooky. That's the problem. That's what

885
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.559
they put on the on the paperwork quote. The property.

886
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.000
Property has been extensively market tested for over a decade,

887
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.639
yet it has consistently failed to attract buyers. It retains

888
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.679
an institutional appearance and requires substantial ongoing maintenance and refurbishment,

889
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.639
which limits its appeal in the residential market. I thought

890
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:29.519
it was ghosts.

891
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.360
No, that's the real reason that you have to take

892
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:34.480
care of two pools. You got this whole big place.

893
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.880
It used to be a convent. Probably costs thousands of

894
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.760
dollars to heat it. Like, no one wants that for

895
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:41.920
six million dollars.

896
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.559
No, no, they don't. And we're going to go into

897
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:59.719
that a little bit more. Right after this, we've returned

898
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.199
to figure out just how much of the lack of

899
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.000
sales for this mansion are because of Adele and how

900
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:11.719
much of it is because it's too expensive. Yeah. Quote,

901
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.159
when rented out, this has been unsuccessful on all three occasions.

902
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.400
The first tenant, Adele stayed for six months and blighted

903
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:25.519
the property, saying it is haunted. Mister Sutton said there

904
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.800
were also issues with the second tenant, quote, a high

905
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:33.159
net worth individual from Monaco who only paid the first

906
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:38.400
quarter's rent after undergoing gender reassignment surgery. Okay, so it

907
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.519
looked like they just wanted to They wanted to chill

908
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.280
in luxury for three months. Yeah.

909
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:42.679
Yeah.

910
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.599
Mister Sutton is seeking permission to transform the mansion into

911
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.639
three houses and to also convert an existing garage and

912
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:56.440
flat into a cottage, urging Horsham District Council to grant permission.

913
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.880
He said the application represents a culmination of over thirty

914
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.800
years of market testing which shows there is a lack

915
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.559
of demand for the property in its current form. Okay,

916
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.360
so Mirror dot co dot uk is just over selling

917
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.880
the idea that this guy thinks. It's because of Adele

918
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.280
and ghosts. Absolutely, because this guy's own words are saying that, like,

919
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.960
clearly this property can't be sold for what it's worth,

920
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:20.400
we need to transform it.

921
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.079
And I actually think that this is all just kind

922
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.639
of like a it's an advertisement.

923
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.000
Again, yeah kind of.

924
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:32.840
Yeah, so they're really good just doing that. Yeah.

925
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.920
Mister Sutton was quoted saying this proposal provides the optimum

926
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:41.559
viable use of lockhouse, preserving its historical significance while delivering

927
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:45.920
much needed housing. It offers a balanced, balanced, sensitive and

928
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.800
sustainable solution that aligns with both heritage protection and housing policies,

929
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.199
ensuring the long term preservation and vitality of this important

930
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.960
historical asset. The Council are yet to make a decision.

931
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.360
Mister Sutton sought plan permission last year to convert the

932
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.360
mansion into five flats, but this was turned down by

933
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.719
the authority. He has now made this new application, which

934
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.559
will be decided at a later date that would suck

935
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:14.639
to buy something and then be unable to like do

936
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.800
anything with it or even sell it for what it Yeah,

937
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.280
and then and then be like, well, I want to

938
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.800
do something else with it, and they'd be like, shrug

939
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:28.800
emoji can't help you. So, speaking of shrug emoji, shell Uh,

940
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.840
this is a story I had to bring up from

941
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:38.119
the Huffington Post because it's about our old stomping grounds.

942
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.639
Yeah.

943
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.719
The blank reaction on your face, which is perfect. The

944
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.360
headline reads New Jersey sinkhole shuts down interstate lanes reveals

945
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.800
abandoned mine. Yay have you heard about this? I haven't

946
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:53.320
heard about this.

947
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:54.280
No, I haven't heard about this.

948
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.119
Wow. Yeah, yeah, this is a whoa. So the picture

949
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.039
of the sinkhole, it's literally like on the shoulder is

950
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.199
just gone. I don't know how wide it is. It's

951
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:10.719
probably like ten fifteen feet wide, and it goes under

952
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.840
the guardrail, so the guardrail is actually over top of

953
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.199
the sinkhole, like going across the middle of it.

954
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:19.239
Wow.

955
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:26.199
Yeah. Wharton, New Jersey Associated Press road crews were repairing

956
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.000
a short stretch of Interstate eighty in northern New Jersey

957
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.239
on Friday, where a sinkhole forced the eastbound lanes to

958
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.920
shut down, but it was still unknown when they will reopen.

959
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.159
The highway's guardrail still hung suspended in the air across

960
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:42.719
the gaping Oh. Wow, I was way off forty foot

961
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.960
wide hole. Wow, which opened up when an abandoned mine

962
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.840
collapsed under the highway's right shoulder Thursday morning. According to

963
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.639
the New Jersey Department of Transportation, the sinkhole has forced

964
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.679
motorists to take a short detour near Wharton, which is

965
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.679
about forty miles west of New York City. Wow. I

966
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:07.079
would have been on that highway just two weeks before.

967
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.119
This was December twenty eighth. I would have been on

968
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:11.079
that highway like just two weeks earlier.

969
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.159
Wow. Yeah, you would the sinkhole.

970
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.079
I mean, I appreciate that you think I could do that.

971
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.360
I would do a good job like that. Be remembered

972
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.320
as the guy who went into the New Jersey sinkhole.

973
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:26.480
Yeah.

974
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.679
I just found this extremely like shocking to look at

975
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.000
his giant hole just pops up in the highway. It

976
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.840
also gave me like memories of Centralia, Pennsylvania, the town

977
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.400
on fire, the idea of like they're just being big

978
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:42.079
holes that would just pop up and have smoke billowing

979
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:46.880
out of them and all of that very eerie concept. Yes,

980
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.880
and sinkholes are scary. The concept of them is terrifying.

981
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.280
Rachel's former house had a sinkhole underneath it, and I

982
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.920
was like, that's not good and what that means. I

983
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.440
you know, I'm not a smart man. I don't know things.

984
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:09.559
Leave me alone. The end crews have stabilized the area

985
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.639
and started excavating. They will work around the clock to

986
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:19.280
repair the roadway to the repair guys at Huffington Post

987
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.519
get a copywriter to repair the highway, the Highway Department

988
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.840
said Friday. The timing of when the eastbound lanes will open,

989
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:33.679
it says upon UPO N, but it means open will

990
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.199
open depends on how extensive the repairs will be and

991
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.559
the upcoming weather. Oh yeah, it's gonna be cold. The

992
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.960
department said. Drivers should continue to expect delays and use

993
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.960
alternate routes. Well, you know, the good news is, you know,

994
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:52.199
Interstate eighty doesn't get horribly congested every single day due

995
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.599
to New Yorkers coming in and leaving, or will people

996
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.119
who work in New York coming and going. I remember

997
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.840
when I first was living in Jersey. I lived really

998
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.880
close to eighty and I was shocked because one time

999
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.440
I was heading I was heading west and on the

1000
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.280
east side. You know, it was just traffic, bumper to

1001
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.519
bumper traffic heading into the city, and it went all

1002
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:14.679
the way into Pennsylvania.

1003
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:15.920
Wow.

1004
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:17.920
Now I'm not saying it's that way every morning, but

1005
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:19.199
it was that way that morning.

1006
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:20.039
Wow.

1007
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.440
I was in awe. I couldn't believe that traffic would

1008
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.039
go all the way into another state.

1009
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:27.880
It's insane.

1010
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.599
Yeah, it was. It was nuts. It made me very

1011
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.559
glad that I was going the other way.

1012
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:33.440
Yeah.

1013
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.880
Yeah, I did not want to be going Yeah. I

1014
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.280
did not want to be going east, that's for sure.

1015
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.480
So New Jersey sinkhole. Do you even know how they

1016
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:46.800
fix a sinkhole? I don't even know. You fill it in, yeah,

1017
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.519
does it'll eventually stop sinking?

1018
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.119
Well, I mean it sunk because there was a mine

1019
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.039
under it. So you just fill in the mine and

1020
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:54.599
then you're good.

1021
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:59.719
Basically Okay, So it says it usually involves excavating down

1022
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.199
to rock, sealing the cavity with specialized grout, and then

1023
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.000
back filling with layers of rock, gravel, and soil.

1024
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:07.480
Yeah, you fill it in.

1025
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.480
It's a you know, okay, fine, No, you're right, you're right. No,

1026
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.320
you're fine, you're right, you're right. You just fill it in.

1027
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.079
And it was a really cool idea of the way

1028
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:18.800
that guy killed that guy and said it was a bear.

1029
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:20.679
You're on a roll this week.

1030
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.119
You know, my neighborhood that I grew up in had

1031
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:25.519
a bunch of sinkholes in it.

1032
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:27.639
Did you like jumping them for fun?

1033
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.440
No? No, they just appeared. They started appearing all over

1034
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.760
the place and the hoa and everyone had to figure

1035
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.559
out what it was. And it turns out when they

1036
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:40.039
built the houses, they just dumped all of the construction

1037
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:42.719
material and trees that they cut down and just just

1038
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.960
covered over them, so like whole areas had to be

1039
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.679
excavated and fixed. It was great. They were such a

1040
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:52.280
good such a good building company.

1041
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.719
Do they sound wonderful? Just like what i'd expect from

1042
00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:00.519
quality New Jersey construction. We're gonna take a quick break.

1043
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:11.039
It will be right back, all right. We're back heading

1044
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:15.079
to the Huffington Post one more time this month, and

1045
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.639
this one is a little more feel good because Michelle

1046
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.880
was enjoying the feel bad stories a little too much

1047
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.719
for my comfort. I just made me a little uncomfortable,

1048
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:31.480
a little nervous. The headline of this is moose rescued

1049
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:39.159
after falling through ice in New York. Sure it sounds fun, right,

1050
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.079
I mean they save a moose.

1051
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.960
Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever.

1052
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.400
Unless it turns out this whole thing is just a

1053
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.159
scheme to get insurance money.

1054
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.440
Not even a real moose.

1055
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:54.519
God damn it. A bull moose that fell through lake

1056
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.639
ice in the Adirondack Mountains was saved by New York

1057
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.880
Conservation officials in a laborious cold water rescue. This was,

1058
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:05.960
by the way, this was on the sixteenth of January.

1059
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.239
This is very recent. It was really cold.

1060
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.280
Yeah. Yeah.

1061
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.320
The moose fell through the ice around eleven am Thursday,

1062
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.639
about two hundred feet from the shore on Lake Abanaki.

1063
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.400
The New York State Department of Environmental Conference Conservation announced

1064
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.920
in a statement Friday that lake is near the town

1065
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.079
of Indian Lake, about sixty miles south of Lake Placid

1066
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.400
and west of the Vermont border. We have an Indian

1067
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:36.920
Lake in Ohio too. Quote. There's not there's no training

1068
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.679
manual for getting moose out of the ice, said Environmental

1069
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:44.440
Conservation Police officer Lieutenant Robert Higgins in a video statement

1070
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.800
recounting the event. Also it said there's not training manual

1071
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.440
because Huffington Post does not care.

1072
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:51.320
What are they doing? Yeah?

1073
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.159
No. Higgins was dispatched to the lake thanks to a

1074
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.599
passer by who saw the moose break through the ice

1075
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.440
and called it in. Higgins asked for back and was

1076
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:05.599
quickly joined by a pair of forest rangers. Moose are huge.

1077
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:12.480
They are like, they're really really big. I went into

1078
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.760
like a Cabella's or something, and they had a moose there,

1079
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.639
like a stuffed moose, and I was legitimately in awe

1080
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.679
at how big it was. Wow, Like it startled me.

1081
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.119
I was just like, what, how is it this big?

1082
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.119
I wasn't expecting that.

1083
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.599
I wish I could see a moose.

1084
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:38.840
There's gotta be Are there moose anywhere by you? No pathetic?

1085
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.440
In New York, moose are sometimes poached by humans, and

1086
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.599
a handful die every year due to being hit by cars,

1087
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:49.239
according to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.

1088
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.199
Across the US, these giant deer cousins faced challenges from

1089
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.039
human caused habitat loss and human caused climate change that

1090
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.639
has led to warm summers and oppressive tick emphasis stations,

1091
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.800
which can cause them to lose their fur. Wow. For

1092
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.880
this moose, the humans came to help. Moose can die

1093
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:11.199
from hypothermia and they can't easily climb onto the ice

1094
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:15.920
once they've fallen through into water. Ice rescue rescues. ICE

1095
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:21.400
rescues are dangerous because the rescuers can also fall through. Quote.

1096
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:24.039
We were able to use our ice rescue training to

1097
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:28.000
safely get out there, said forest ranger Evan Nahor in

1098
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.800
a video statement. First, they put on dry suits so

1099
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:33.920
they would float and stay warm if they ended up

1100
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:37.199
in the water. Then they used a long metal spud

1101
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.679
bar to test the thickness of the ice, which varied

1102
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:45.039
from about one to four inches. Wow, I forget now,

1103
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.360
I think four inches of ice will hold an insane

1104
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.000
amount of weight. Yeah, I don't now, I have to know.

1105
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:56.880
Can four inches of ice hold eight pounds?

1106
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:57.760
Wow?

1107
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.000
So four inches of eight hundred pounds? Five inches twelve

1108
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.599
fifty six inches eighteen hundred seven inches two four hundred

1109
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:12.119
and fifty wow? Yeah? So like yeah, So the rule

1110
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.400
of thumb is two inches of ice or less stay off.

1111
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.840
Three inches can support one person in their gear. Four

1112
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.440
inches can support a small group of people walking in

1113
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.719
a single file line. Five inches can support a small

1114
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.000
group of people walking in a single file line with

1115
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.960
a total weight of several hundred kilograms, seven and a

1116
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.440
half can support a light car, eight inches can support

1117
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.320
a light truck, and ten inches can support a medium

1118
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.480
sized truck. Okay, I learned that because when I went

1119
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.639
ski doing they had said that the ice was like

1120
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.559
eight inches and I was like, oh god, and they

1121
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.840
were like that, like do you see that pickup truck

1122
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.800
on the ice right there? And I was like, oh, okay,

1123
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.519
never mind. But yeah, they said that was about that.

1124
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.480
It varied from one inch to four inches. Wow, that's

1125
01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:58.559
a lot of variants.

1126
01:04:58.880 --> 01:04:59.679
Yeah.

1127
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.360
They brought safety ropes so that if one fell in,

1128
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.039
the others could pull them out. They navigated a path

1129
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.719
across the lake, following the thickest path to the moose

1130
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:11.440
without breaking through, and knelt on sleds to distribute their weight.

1131
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.920
The forest rangers used a chainsaw to cut away sections

1132
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.639
of ice connecting the area where the moose broke through

1133
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.679
to a thicker section of ice, while Higgins pushed the

1134
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.320
ice blocks underneath the channel to get them out of

1135
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.920
the way. Do you have you walked much on frozen

1136
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:27.880
frozen lakes.

1137
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:29.360
No, no, I haven't.

1138
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:32.559
It is a wild experience when it's a lake so

1139
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.719
big that you're basically in a desert, like it just

1140
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.519
is a desert when it's frozen. One of my favorite

1141
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:41.719
memories when I first got Henwolf was taking her to

1142
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.000
the park in the winter and the water had frozen

1143
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.800
over in this little pond and was she just like,

1144
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:49.519
with all the confidence in the world, just was gonna

1145
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:52.960
walk onto it. Yeah, and no thought it all just like, oh,

1146
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.280
ll walk over here now. And it immediately broke and

1147
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.639
I grabbed her because luckily I saw what she was doing,

1148
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.079
so I grabbed her and only her back legs got

1149
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.280
like stuck in the cold water for a minute, so

1150
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.119
like pulled her out and I was like, oh my god,

1151
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.199
and she was just looking at me like what And

1152
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:08.639
then we had to walk to the car with like

1153
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.559
her butt and like freezing because it was so cold

1154
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:13.719
out and soaking wet. It was very very funny though,

1155
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.679
but yeah, she was just like I'll walk here. This

1156
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:19.079
is clearly solid. Yeah, no no worries at all. Very

1157
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:22.320
similar to a moose. Hendwolf was the hope was for

1158
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.679
the moose. To swim down the channel and climb out.

1159
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:29.880
A bull moose can weigh around one thousand pounds. Wow.

1160
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.280
Yeah, so it really it really wouldn't be supported on

1161
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.719
an inch of ice at all, not at all.

1162
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.280
No, and you see why I said, like they're huge,

1163
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:42.119
like a thousand pounds. Yeah, so there wasn't much do

1164
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.880
what what did you say?

1165
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:47.960
I said, I don't even weigh a thousand pounds.

1166
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.519
You pretty far away from a thousand pounds, my friend.

1167
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:51.960
I guess.

1168
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.119
Yeah. I'm always amazed when we're hanging out and we

1169
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:57.960
go into like a safeway and the auto door opens

1170
01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:58.840
when you step on it.

1171
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.320
Yeah. Yeah, I assume your pockets are full of rocks.

1172
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:07.440
Oh yeah, it doesn't always close. That's because you have

1173
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:12.519
no soul. Yeah, so the Simpsons pointed out, so there

1174
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.519
was but yeah, because it was one thousand pounds, there

1175
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.280
wasn't much chance of them being able to pull it

1176
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.760
out safely. The moose didn't swim toward the thick ice,

1177
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:22.039
so they tried to herd it down the channel they

1178
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.400
had cut. The bull moose wasn't intimidated by the officials

1179
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:32.440
or their big metal sticks. It was intimidated by their sleds. Oh,

1180
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.800
for whatever reason, it was scared of those, so once

1181
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:37.880
we got behind it, we were able to direct it,

1182
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.880
said Matt Severi, the other forest ranger. The giant moose

1183
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.559
quickly crawled onto the ice, but the cold and constant

1184
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.239
treading water the ordeal lasted around two hours, had taken

1185
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:52.519
its toll. Quote. It was really tired. I was shivering it.

1186
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.239
I think it meant to say it was shivering. Maybe

1187
01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.880
it was shivering. It didn't have much energy left, Higgins said.

1188
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:01.679
We didn't know if it was going to be able

1189
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.599
to stand up or not. After fifteen minutes it died. No,

1190
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.119
it found its footing and got up.

1191
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:10.000
Good.

1192
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:12.920
I had to say for the look on your face,

1193
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.079
Chow quote, it was just an amazing sight to see

1194
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:18.439
that huge moose stand up right in front of us,

1195
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.279
he said. Then it walked off into the woods.

1196
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:24.319
It didn't even say thank you.

1197
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.680
Moose are like that, man. You can't hold it against them.

1198
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:28.800
It's how they're raised.

1199
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.479
Oh, it's not you're not supposed to say things like that.

1200
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.640
Well, we're gonna take a quick break. We've got one

1201
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.000
more piece of spooky news that I think is worth sharing,

1202
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.279
and then we'll jump into our topic. Of snuff films

1203
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:52.079
right after this, All right, we're back with one more

1204
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:57.079
piece of spooky news from the often revered Mirror dot

1205
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:01.159
co dot uk. And this one I wanted to share

1206
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.000
because I was curious by reading the headline. It sure

1207
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:07.479
sounded like it wasn't like it was a BS and

1208
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:09.840
I want to hear your opinion on this. Chill okay.

1209
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.680
The headline family terrified by paranormal activity and begged counsel

1210
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:21.600
for new home after objects quote fly around. Okay, a

1211
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:26.039
mom told a court par told a court paranormal activity

1212
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.960
in her council What told a court paranormal activity in

1213
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.159
her council home left her?

1214
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:37.039
Okay to court that yeah, yeah, yeah.

1215
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.319
That was a little confusing. Verse A mom told a

1216
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:42.279
court paranormal activity in her council home left her terrified

1217
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.600
for her children's safety as objects in the house quote

1218
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.000
flew around. Thomas and Louise Stokes told the High Court

1219
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.239
in Ireland their family could not stay at the house

1220
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:57.119
given to them given to them, owing to concerns for

1221
01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:01.439
their health because of a mold problem. However, Miss Stokes

1222
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:07.079
told mister Justice Garrett Mister Justice Garrett Simmons Simons a

1223
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.039
new property they were moved to has caused her to

1224
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:14.319
be fearful for her children due to paranormal activity. Hmmm,

1225
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.359
it sounds like she's just gonna have a problem with everywhere.

1226
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.159
Oh there's mold. Oh there's ghosts.

1227
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.399
Yeah, Like they don't like it, and they don't see

1228
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:24.199
any mold, so they've got to make something up.

1229
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:28.079
Like a hell. We were hoping for mold. Yeah. The

1230
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:32.039
mom told proceedings how since they moved in, numerous objects

1231
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.159
in their new house had been flown from side to side,

1232
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.520
while doors and a table and chairs were moving in

1233
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.640
front of our eyes. She claims while making food for

1234
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.439
her children, objects flew out of the cupboard she'd open.

1235
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:50.520
Maybe and maybe the kids are just throwing stuff at her.

1236
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:51.800
Yeah.

1237
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.159
Miss miss Stokes said she contacted the previous occupant of

1238
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.800
the house, who wrote them a letter the applicant described

1239
01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.800
as beyond traumatic.

1240
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:02.319
Wow.

1241
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.119
She claimed she brought the letter to the attention of

1242
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.319
the council but was quote laughed at in a meeting.

1243
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.520
That's extra funny when you imagine they're all Irish. A

1244
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.800
bunch of Irish people laughing at once just sounds very funny,

1245
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:22.039
she said. Quote. Everyone deserves a home. I never asked

1246
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.159
for a mansion. I asked for a safe home for

1247
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.039
my kids. I just want somewhere safe for my kids.

1248
01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:31.680
Five days before Christmas, the Irish Mirror reported that is sad,

1249
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:37.199
but also this is very strange. The High Court heard

1250
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.359
how the mold in the first property was so bad

1251
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.000
the entire family had to sleep downstairs instead of their bedrooms.

1252
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.479
They also had to make several hospital visits. The couple

1253
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.560
claim in the five years they lived in the property,

1254
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:53.039
the people with mold became so bad. The problem, sorry,

1255
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:55.600
the problem of both that was on me became so

1256
01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.359
bad that they were forced to leave and live temporarily

1257
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:02.800
with relatives before returning to the house. They were there

1258
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:03.840
for a very long time.

1259
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:05.800
Mm hmm yeah.

1260
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.760
The court heard the council placed the family on a

1261
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:12.079
transfer list and the offer of a new property was

1262
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:16.279
accepted by the Stoke by the Stokes. In October at

1263
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:21.399
the High Court, Mister Justice Simons struck out the Stokes's

1264
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:26.000
claim against the Lettterman County Council. Mister Justice Simon said

1265
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.920
the claim before him only related to the first property

1266
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:31.279
and that if there were new claims they would have

1267
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:35.600
to be lodged separately with the court. So it's a technicality.

1268
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.159
Yeah, jeez.

1269
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.560
Mister Justice Simon said the only case before him was

1270
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.239
in relation to the first house and quote, the case

1271
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.720
has come and gone as it were, due to the

1272
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.000
Stokes is transferring to the new house. He told miss

1273
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.560
Stokes he understood her concern about the second house experiencing quote,

1274
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:58.640
paranormal activity and her fears for the safety of her children,

1275
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.279
but a third house would mean a new application to

1276
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:05.399
the local authority. So you're not even saying like you're

1277
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:08.079
crazy because there are ghosts. At least in that statement,

1278
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.079
they're saying like you have to file the proper paper.

1279
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:19.479
Yes, yeah, that's good.

1280
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:26.840
Huh. I I don't even know how to take that.

1281
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:29.239
It's bizarre.

1282
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:31.920
I mean, it's not much of a story. It's just

1283
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:32.479
kind of no.

1284
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:36.319
I mean, basically they they didn't file for a new house,

1285
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.560
but also didn't get a new house. But it's because

1286
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.079
of ghosts and not mold. Could the mold be making

1287
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:47.640
them hallucinate? Like they've been exposed to the mold for

1288
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:50.039
so long that it's like that now they're like going

1289
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.600
through withdrawals of wishing they had mold in them in

1290
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:53.640
their lungs.

1291
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:55.319
I don't know who knows.

1292
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.479
Maybe sure, I mean I don't think that's how that

1293
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:03.159
works at all. But also but also like we could

1294
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.079
just say it is how it works, because that's how

1295
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:06.560
it works.

1296
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:08.960
We don't know what kind of heat how they have.

1297
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:11.560
Maybe they have a carbon monoxide leak at that place.

1298
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:17.199
I mean they didn't mention that. And carbon monoxide. I mean,

1299
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.640
Reddit has taught us that if you are concerned about anything,

1300
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.800
you need to check your carbon make sure you have

1301
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.560
a carbon monoxide detector. Yeah, because if you don't, it's

1302
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:33.960
probably the problem. Yeah. So well, unfortunately that's all the info.

1303
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.920
I thought they'd give us a little bit more than that.

1304
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:37.920
I guess that's really all they had.

1305
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:42.239
I guess so, and there weren't nearly enough spelling errors.

1306
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:47.640
So yeah, but uh, we're going to take a really

1307
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.119
quick break, and when we get back, we're going to

1308
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.279
jump into our topic for this month, which is the notorious,

1309
01:14:55.279 --> 01:15:00.840
really legend known as snuff films and what there is

1310
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.680
to the truth of the matter. We'll get to that

1311
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:07.439
right after this, assuming that we don't have to move

1312
01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:10.119
to another podcast because this one is haunted or worse,

1313
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:23.800
has mold. But we'll be right back, all right, Shell, Yeah,

1314
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:25.520
I have a question for you, and I need you

1315
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:31.600
to answer me. Okay, have you heard of the term

1316
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:32.920
snuff film?

1317
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:33.880
Yes?

1318
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:37.600
When did you first hear of it? Or what was

1319
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.720
the first context of your understanding of stuff films?

1320
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.600
I have no idea, I just know it.

1321
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.720
Okay, what in your definition? What is a snuff film?

1322
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:51.960
Isn't it a like a film where like, you kill somebody.

1323
01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:54.399
But not real?

1324
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:56.000
Yeah?

1325
01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:01.279
Wait, said, keep going, but it's not real. No, that's

1326
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:04.319
the opposite. A stuff film is where you actually kill somebody.

1327
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:06.520
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying I don't know if there's

1328
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:07.439
any real ones.

1329
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.079
Oh yeah, Well that is the that is the debate

1330
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:14.279
is whether stuff films exist. So to get a little

1331
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.279
bit more specific before we dive into the incredibly accurate

1332
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:22.399
and always perfect Wikipedia page for stuff films, it's important

1333
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:26.399
to bear in mind that there are films. There's there's

1334
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:31.720
there's captured video and film of people actually dying, but

1335
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:35.760
that doesn't entirely make it a snuff film. A snuff

1336
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.479
film is the concept that a murder is committed for

1337
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:44.720
the purpose of entertainment. Yeah, so if somebody is killed,

1338
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.079
they're killed for the film. They're not filmed because they're

1339
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:50.960
being killed, right there. Yeah, so that's a good way

1340
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.199
to put it. They're they're they're killed. They're killed for

1341
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.479
being filmed, not filmed because they're being killed. Yeah, that

1342
01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.000
may have made sense. I don't know, Leave me alone.

1343
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.079
So we're going to dive into the Wikipedia article a

1344
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:06.960
little bit. But there is a lot of hemming and

1345
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.159
haweing about snuff movies for a very long time, the

1346
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.399
belief that they exist on the black market, and of

1347
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.000
course when the deep web and the dark web became

1348
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.279
in the national lexicon, then it became that's where they

1349
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:20.960
sell snuff movies. The idea that the snuff movies are

1350
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:25.439
being sold on you know, in South America, all these elements.

1351
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:30.119
There's a lot to it. So but of course Wikipedia

1352
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.479
always clears the air in a safe, accurate, and fair way.

1353
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.439
The concept of snuff films became known to the general

1354
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.399
public during the nineteen seventies, when a conspiracy theory alleged

1355
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.640
that a clandestine industry was producing such films for profit.

1356
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.439
The rumor was amplified in nineteen seventy six by the

1357
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:54.399
release of the film called Snuff, which capitalized on the

1358
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:59.520
legend through a disingenuous marketing campaign. I've seen snuff it

1359
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:01.840
is in no way, it's not even like a stuff film.

1360
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:05.840
It's just a movie, Okay. I mean it's just a film,

1361
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:08.159
like it's a normal kind of film about a stuff

1362
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:09.079
film being made.

1363
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:09.399
Okay.

1364
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.039
But I will say the marketing has been genius because

1365
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:14.880
when they put that out on DVD in the early

1366
01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.479
two thousands, they made the DVD look like it was

1367
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:20.000
basically like in a paper bag, like it was like,

1368
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:26.119
you know, it was secret. But that film, like others

1369
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:28.880
in the topic, relied on special effects to simulate murder.

1370
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.680
According to the fact checking website Snopes, there was never

1371
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:35.439
there has never been a verified example of a genuine,

1372
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:40.760
commercially produced snuff film. Videos of actual murders, such as beheadings,

1373
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:44.520
have been made available to the public, generally through the Internet. However,

1374
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.680
those videos have been made and broadcast by the murderers

1375
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:51.720
either for their own gratification or for propaganda purposes, and

1376
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:55.840
not for financial gain, and thus do not qualify, according

1377
01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:57.760
to one author, as a snuff film.

1378
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:02.039
Hmm, so it has to be financial gainwise.

1379
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:06.039
The idea is that it's for business, it's for entertainment.

1380
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.760
Entertainment is generally for financial gain. Yeah, okay. The way

1381
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:11.439
it was always explained to me was that the murder

1382
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:14.960
had to be for the sake of entertainment. Okay, Like

1383
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:16.880
if there was no camera, there would be no murder.

1384
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:21.359
But to go into the definitions a little bit more,

1385
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.199
it says here a snuff film is a movie and

1386
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:25.399
a purported genre of films in which a person is

1387
01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:28.760
actually murdered, though some variations of the definition may include

1388
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:33.359
films that show people dying by suicide. According to existing definitions,

1389
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.720
snuff films can be pornographic and are made for financial gain,

1390
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:40.720
but are supposedly quote circulated amongst a jaded few for

1391
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:45.119
the purpose of entertainment. The Collins English Dictionary defines a

1392
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:48.239
snuff movie as quote a pornographic film in which an

1393
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:54.119
unsuspecting actress or actor is murdered the climax of the film.

1394
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.039
The Cambridge Dictionary defines it more broadly as quote a

1395
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:59.239
violent film that shows a real murder.

1396
01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:01.800
Okay.

1397
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:06.840
Horror film magazine Fangoria define stuff movies as quote films

1398
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.319
in which a person is killed on camera. The death

1399
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.159
is premeditated with the purpose of purpose of being filmed

1400
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:14.960
in order to make money. Oftentimes there is a sexual

1401
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.399
aspect to the murder, either on film, as in a

1402
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:20.960
porn scene that ends horribly, or that the final project

1403
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:24.920
is used for sexual gratification. Films featuring death that are

1404
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:29.039
authentic but accidental quote are not considered stuff because the

1405
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:32.319
deaths were not planned. Other death on videos, such as

1406
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:36.159
terrorist beheading victims, are done to fulfill an ideology, not

1407
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:37.079
to earn money.

1408
01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:40.800
Okay, like you said earlier, Yeah.

1409
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.920
Yeah, And that's one thing that's kind of important to

1410
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:47.119
keep in mind about the concept behind stuff movies, because

1411
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:49.800
I hear people talk all the time about like do

1412
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.960
they exist or whatever. There was an entire market where

1413
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:56.840
people were making fake ones for these collectors, these like

1414
01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:59.760
rich collectors, so they thought they were getting something, you know,

1415
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:05.199
heinously special, I guess is a way to put it. Yeah,

1416
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:09.039
And in reality they were getting fleeced because, I mean,

1417
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.039
the only thing stupider than killing somebody would be filming killing.

1418
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:14.720
Somebody exactly why would you do that?

1419
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:21.720
So, but there are a lot of misconceptions, especially when

1420
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.720
the movie eight Millimeter with Nicholas Cage came out, because

1421
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:26.920
that was a movie about a private investigator being hired

1422
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:31.199
to determine if a snuff movie was legitimate or not. Okay,

1423
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.399
and that movie, I mean, the setting is really interesting.

1424
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:36.960
He gets called by this woman who's a widow of

1425
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.239
an extremely rich man, and when she was going through

1426
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:42.760
his things, she found like his porno stash or whatever,

1427
01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:44.680
and she was like, well, whatever, we've been married forty

1428
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.840
five years, blah blah blah. But she found this eight

1429
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.640
millimeter film strip and it appears to be a man

1430
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.960
murdering a young girl.

1431
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:53.840
Huh.

1432
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.560
And she was obviously terrified and needed to know like,

1433
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.399
did my husband actually by a film of somebody being killed?

1434
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:03.119
Right?

1435
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:07.479
And I will say, like, as far as the realism aspect,

1436
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.319
it's pretty far fetched. But the element of like a

1437
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:12.640
rich person, because the idea was that like this had

1438
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:15.680
not been commercially distributed like it had been. He had

1439
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.279
commissioned it and it had been handed over to him

1440
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:22.119
like that was it. That element I found somewhat believable

1441
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:24.079
that like, if something like this existed and was going

1442
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:28.279
to not cause arrests and cause like you know, a

1443
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:31.199
big whatever, it would have to be extremely private. It

1444
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:33.640
have to be like you film it and then hand

1445
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:38.439
the film to me the end like, that's it. But

1446
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.439
as far as the reality aspect. On Wikipedia, they say

1447
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.560
some filmed records of executions and deaths in war exist,

1448
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.399
but in those cases the death was not specifically staged

1449
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.439
for entertainment. There have been a number of amateur made

1450
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:53.439
stuff films available on the Internet. However, such videos are

1451
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:56.560
produced by the murderers to make an impact on their audience.

1452
01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:01.000
Some specialized websites show videos of actual killings for profit,

1453
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.760
as their shock value will attract an audience, but these

1454
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:08.119
websites are not operated by the perpetrators of the murderers.

1455
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:12.399
According to Snopes, the idea of an actual snuff film

1456
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:17.920
industry clandestinely producing such entertainment for monetary gain is preposterous

1457
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:21.800
because quote, capturing a murder on film would be fullhardy

1458
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.840
at best. Only that's really a good point. Yeah, only

1459
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.520
the most deranged would consider preserving for a jury a

1460
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.159
perfect video record of a crime they could go to

1461
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:36.960
the executioner for even if the murderer stays completely out

1462
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.680
of the camera's way. Too much of who the killer is,

1463
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.000
how the murder was carried out, and where it took place,

1464
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.079
would be part of such a film, and these details

1465
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.640
would quickly lead police to the right to the right door.

1466
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:51.840
Though someone whose mania has caused them to lose touch

1467
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.239
with reality might skip over this point, those who are

1468
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.880
supposedly in the business for money would be all too

1469
01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:58.920
aware of this. It doesn't make sense to flirt with

1470
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.399
the electric chair for profit. It's derived from a video.

1471
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.319
Yeah, agreed, Agreed, doesn't really make any sense.

1472
01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:13.079
Yeah, or dollars even, you know. And it may references

1473
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.760
Fangoria here, it says Fangoria magazine described the very concept

1474
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:18.880
as a myth and a scare tactic dreamt up by

1475
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:23.600
the media to terrify the public. I would have to agree.

1476
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.479
I would I would really have to agree. And we'll

1477
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:29.720
get into more of the origins of this urban legend

1478
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:40.960
after this quick break, and we are back talking about

1479
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.199
the origins of the urban legend known as the snuff film.

1480
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:48.199
And this is something I've always been interested in, obviously,

1481
01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:51.880
because my career is in film and video and right

1482
01:24:52.039 --> 01:24:54.680
and and and a lot of my careers in horror

1483
01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:58.399
as well. And there are people that believe, there are

1484
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:02.439
that believe whole heart that there are stuff movies that

1485
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.560
like you can just go buy that, which I was

1486
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:06.960
fascinated by because I get why, Like, if you have

1487
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:11.479
a little bit of an apathetic or cynical mindset toward

1488
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:13.720
the world, you might just go, well, yeah, there's money

1489
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.840
and there's cameras, so of course there are people who

1490
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.560
film death for money, right, But the reality of that

1491
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:21.760
doesn't really make sense.

1492
01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:24.479
No, it doesn't make sense at all. It's it would

1493
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:27.720
be bad idea. And do you think if there really

1494
01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:30.680
were snuff films, we would know because at least one

1495
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:31.920
of these people would have gotten caught.

1496
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:35.520
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Plus there's the whole thing that like,

1497
01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:37.720
well they do them all in South America, you know,

1498
01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.199
because the saying is in South America, our life is cheap.

1499
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:44.760
You know that that's saying that to an extent. I

1500
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.760
understand where they're coming from with that concept, but it's

1501
01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:51.359
not It's not that life is cheap as in like,

1502
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:53.960
people die and nobody cares or nobody studies it or

1503
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:57.680
nobody looks into it. It's that if people get killed

1504
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:04.319
by powerful people, they just make it disappear. That's what

1505
01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:08.319
getting away with murder is is making the evidence and

1506
01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:12.199
the accusations just gone. And it's hard to do that

1507
01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:17.359
when there's a fucking video of the murder. Yeah, being

1508
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:23.479
fucking handed around like copies of the Watchtower. I don't

1509
01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.680
know why I chose to watch tower for that, but yeah,

1510
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.840
thank you, thank you very much. The noun snuff originally

1511
01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:35.279
meant the part of a candlewick that was already burned.

1512
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:39.960
The verb snuff meant to cut this off, and by

1513
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:45.479
extension extinct, I can't read anymore. I gave up extinguish

1514
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.800
or kill. The word has been used in this sense

1515
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.880
in English slang for hundreds of years. It was defined

1516
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:54.680
in eighteen seventy four as a term common among the

1517
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:59.199
lower orders of London, meaning to die from disease or accident.

1518
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:06.960
Film studies professor boas Hagen argues that the concept of

1519
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:11.279
films showing actual murders originated decades earlier than is commonly believed,

1520
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.079
at least as early as nineteen oh seven.

1521
01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:15.399
Wow.

1522
01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:21.520
That year, Polish French writer giermme Oponiner I think that's

1523
01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:25.079
I said, published the short story A good film about

1524
01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:29.199
newsreel photojournalists who staged in film a murder due to

1525
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.880
public fascination with crime news. In the story, the public

1526
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:35.960
believes the murder is real, but police determine the crime

1527
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.880
was faked. Hagen also proposes that the film Network from

1528
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:45.239
nineteen seventy six contains an explicit fictional snuff film depiction

1529
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.680
when TV or when television news executives orchestrate the on

1530
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.680
air murder of a news anchor to boost ratings. Hey,

1531
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:56.760
spoiler alert. Yeah, Network is a phenomenal movie.

1532
01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:58.880
But now I know all about it, so I don't

1533
01:27:58.880 --> 01:27:59.560
have to watch it.

1534
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:05.680
I'm fuck, She's right, But that's that's kind of the

1535
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:08.760
thing is if you want to go, I don't know

1536
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:10.920
if they're not really going to dive into that and hear.

1537
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.399
But there's also the whole element of you had you

1538
01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:18.039
had what were called travelog movies, which were very common

1539
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.680
in that era because the average person would never get

1540
01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.920
on an airplane in the nineteen fifties and sixties. So

1541
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:25.119
you go to the movie theater to see the Amazon

1542
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.439
rainforest or the wilds of Africa, or you know, the

1543
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:32.560
mountains of Indonesia or whatever. It was all on film,

1544
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:38.239
and sometimes they would capture natives, killing animals, or you know,

1545
01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:42.439
whatever they do that is not in step with polite

1546
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:44.960
society at the time, you know, so that people would

1547
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.520
be mortified they oh, you know, they're seeing all this stuff.

1548
01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:49.159
And of course anybody who like grew up on a

1549
01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:54.279
pharmacy's like yep, but yeah, that kind of stuff, and

1550
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.600
the birth of what was called the Mando movie man.

1551
01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:02.640
I swear everything. Get me on any topic, and I'll

1552
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.279
try and get it to Italian movies, because I think

1553
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:11.000
that the Italy's connection to film, cinema and storytelling is

1554
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:16.119
very fascinating. But I'll try and keep it brief. Italy

1555
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:23.039
had a massive booming film industry because of Mussolini. No joke.

1556
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:28.640
Mussolini loved movies, so he founded a public film university.

1557
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:32.359
So when Mussolini fell and Italy was trying to kind

1558
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:34.720
of figure the shit out, there were tons of people

1559
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:37.039
who were trained to make movies, that had been trained

1560
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:41.399
to make movies for free basically, so Italy became a

1561
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:45.199
cottage industry of low budget movies, of just literally make

1562
01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:47.000
any kind of movie you can and get it out

1563
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:50.399
and make money. And Italy became one of the number

1564
01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:53.640
one purveyors of these travelog movies because Italy was on

1565
01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:55.920
the other side of the world, so they were already

1566
01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.079
it was easy for them to go to Asia and Africa,

1567
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:03.239
especially very easy. And the other benefit of those travelog

1568
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.199
movies is they're all narrated. You know, it's just like

1569
01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:08.560
we are now in Borneo as we see the blah

1570
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.399
blah blah. That meant they could just film it and

1571
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:15.199
hand it to an American distributor, right, and they would, Yeah,

1572
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.720
the narration would be done in English and they'd make

1573
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:22.840
boku money. But they also discovered that if they featured

1574
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:27.720
things like natives from around the world eating animals, killing livestock,

1575
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:33.039
doing these like more vicious things, that the audience would

1576
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:39.439
be more fascinated. Okay, so over time, actually pretty quickly,

1577
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:47.039
the travelog movie became extremely exploitive. Sure, yeah, and they

1578
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.079
started calling the Mondo movies because there was a film

1579
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:56.479
called Mondo Kane which translates to Dog's World, and Mondo

1580
01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:01.399
Kane was one of the first known movies where they

1581
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:05.359
kind of lie, like they would show the natives eating

1582
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.119
something and say, like the cannibals of so and so

1583
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:12.640
consume the human flesh of their enemies. And then that

1584
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:18.439
evolved from from something as innocuous but still terrible as

1585
01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:21.159
lying about what you're showing and presenting it as real,

1586
01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:25.800
to what came next after the Mondo movie, which was

1587
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:29.399
what was famously known as the Italian cannibal movie and

1588
01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:32.760
Cannibal Holocaust later on, was a movie that was believed

1589
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:34.800
to be a snuff film because they filmed it as

1590
01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:38.119
if it was really happening in the Amazon. Okay, but

1591
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:42.159
the Italian cannibal movie was basically like a travelog movie.

1592
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.680
They weren't all meant to be believable, but they would

1593
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.399
go to South America or go to Indonesia and they

1594
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:51.119
would have real natives and then they would have them

1595
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:55.439
fake being cannibals to shock people. Now, the Mondo movie

1596
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:57.039
was meant to be believed to be real as to

1597
01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.960
where the cannibal movies were movies. But this is I

1598
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:04.920
think valuable to this conversation because a lot of people

1599
01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:06.920
said that those Italian film crews, they would go down

1600
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:10.279
there and they would literally like give natives things. They

1601
01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:12.680
would give them gifts or money or whatever was valuable

1602
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:14.680
to them and be like, will you kill this pig

1603
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:17.760
and let us film it? And people were like at

1604
01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:21.319
that point, is it okay? And it's like, I mean,

1605
01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:24.479
they're gonna kill and eat a pig sometimes like they

1606
01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:27.760
do do it. So that's very it's questionable. Yeah, And

1607
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:29.640
that's the reason I know all this is because I

1608
01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:32.039
was doing a deep dive into why there's real animal

1609
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:36.079
death in so many of those Italian cannibal movies. And

1610
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:40.000
the reason, in part is it was just a leftover

1611
01:32:40.039 --> 01:32:42.840
from the Mondo movie. They'd be like, well, we're using

1612
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:46.119
real Native America or not Native Americans. I'm so freaking

1613
01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:49.840
my own part of the world, but the real Native people.

1614
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:53.600
And so they would again they would be like, well,

1615
01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:55.640
would you mind you know, killing the snake. You can

1616
01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:56.920
keep it and need it, you know. They'd be like,

1617
01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:58.720
hell yeah, and they just do it on camera, and

1618
01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:00.520
they put it in the movie to keep the shock

1619
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:02.079
factor and the believability factor.

1620
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:02.760
Right.

1621
01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:05.840
So I'm not saying it's moral, and I think I

1622
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.960
think by today's standards it's extremely immoral. I think by

1623
01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:10.880
the standards of the time it was made, it was

1624
01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.119
very murky, especially by Italian standards, because you got to

1625
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.840
remember that word totally different culture from them. Like, So

1626
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.680
that's that's also another element. But I also totally understand

1627
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:24.279
why some people don't want to watch Cannibal Holocaust because

1628
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:26.039
just because of the couple of animal deaths in it.

1629
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:28.479
They're very upsetting. They're not and there, and the movie

1630
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:30.880
doesn't say, like, hey watch this turtle die. Isn't it funny?

1631
01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:35.399
It's it's not good that the turtle's being killed. Yeah,

1632
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:40.840
it's meant to be gross and awful. So I digress.

1633
01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:43.640
I'm sorry. I should just had to get me. You

1634
01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:46.039
just had to bring up Italian film, didn't you.

1635
01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:46.920
I'm sorry.

1636
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:47.199
I know.

1637
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:50.119
I always bring it up, and then this is what happened.

1638
01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:55.279
So okay. According to film critic Jeffrey O'Brien, quote, whether

1639
01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:59.079
or not commercially distributed stuff movies actually exist, the possibility

1640
01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:01.239
of such movies is in splicit in the stock be

1641
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:05.840
movie motif of the mad artist killing his models, as

1642
01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:08.840
in a Bucket of Blood from nineteen fifty nine, Color

1643
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:12.800
Me Blood Red from nineteen sixty five, or Decoy for Terror,

1644
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.760
also known as the Playgirl Killer from nineteen sixty seven.

1645
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:20.039
I've seen all three of those. They're all pretty good, okay. Likewise,

1646
01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:23.119
the protagonist of Peeping Tom from nineteen sixty films the

1647
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.720
murders he commits, though he does so as part of

1648
01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:29.279
his mania and not for financial gain. A nineteen seventy

1649
01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:32.000
nine article in New York Times described the character's activity

1650
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:37.039
as making private snuff films. I mean, when it comes

1651
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:39.439
to the world of killers, they definitely keep trophies or

1652
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.439
capture the moment. It's the fact that they would never

1653
01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:45.439
share it that makes it make some degree of morbid sense.

1654
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:47.640
Yeah. Yeah.

1655
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.600
The first known use of the term snuff movie is

1656
01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:53.880
in the nineteen seventy one book by Ed Sanders, The Family,

1657
01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:59.479
The Story of Charles Manson's Doune Buggy Attack Battalion. He

1658
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:03.159
did have a due buy. This book included the interview

1659
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:05.920
of an anonymous one time member of the Charles Manson's

1660
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:08.600
family who claimed the group once made such a film

1661
01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.600
in California by recording the murder of a woman. However,

1662
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.359
the interviewee later added that he had not watched the

1663
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:18.119
film himself and had just heard rumors of its existence. Okay,

1664
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:21.119
probably when it was explained to them slowly that there

1665
01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:26.520
is no statute of limitations on murder. Yes, there have been.

1666
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:28.960
There have been instants where I've watched. There was a

1667
01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:33.439
documentary years ago about those people who wear costumes superhero

1668
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:38.119
costumes on the boardwalks in California, and one guy who

1669
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.680
portrays Batman had suggested like that he had been involved

1670
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.560
in actual vigilantism in the past, and like that's why

1671
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:47.880
he identified with Batman. And he had said, like things

1672
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:49.399
had gotten pretty extreme and he had had to do

1673
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:51.039
what he had to do a few times in order

1674
01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:53.159
to you know, survive or whatever. And he was like,

1675
01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:54.880
but that was a really long time ago. And in

1676
01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:57.039
the documentary they go, you know that the statute of

1677
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:01.159
limitations don't exist for murder, right, and he goes, well,

1678
01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:04.279
I'm not really saying anything. It was just very funny

1679
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:08.279
the way I'm not really saying anything. We're gonna take

1680
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.399
a quick break and then we're gonna look into this

1681
01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:13.920
a little bit more and wrap up this month's monthly Spooky.

1682
01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:17.239
But first buy whatever's next unless I don't like it.

1683
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:29.079
And we are back wrapping up our little dive into

1684
01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:32.800
snuff movies. While Michelle rests her head gently on her

1685
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:38.079
microphone so gently you can't even hear it. I did

1686
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:43.319
want to mention that, oh sorry. During the first time

1687
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:47.560
of nineteen the during the first half of the nineteen seventies,

1688
01:36:47.840 --> 01:36:50.560
urban legends started to allege that snuff films were being

1689
01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:54.359
produced in South America for for commercial gain and circulated

1690
01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:59.239
clandestinely in the United States of America. I feel like

1691
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:04.439
we would know. Yeah, yeah, So we're going to dive

1692
01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:09.279
into just a little bit of information about the about

1693
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:13.399
the film Stuff. Nothing crazy. This low budget horror film

1694
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:15.640
Stuff from nineteen seventy six was loosely based on the

1695
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.199
Manson murders, and originally it was titled Slaughter. It was

1696
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.880
filmed in Argentina by Michael and ROBERTA. Finlay. The film's

1697
01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.800
distribution rights were bought by Alan Shackleton, who eventually found

1698
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:29.159
the picture unfit for release and shelved it. Wow, this

1699
01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.920
is where it gets funny. Several years later, Shackleton read

1700
01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:35.760
about snuff films being imported from South America and decided

1701
01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:38.159
to cash in on the rumor as an attempt to

1702
01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:45.600
recoup his investment in the film. Okay, Shackleton retired retitled

1703
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:48.479
Slaughter to Snuff and released it with a new ending

1704
01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.439
that purported to depict an actual murder committed on a

1705
01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:55.520
film set. And it's so cheesy, it's so clearly tacked on,

1706
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:58.840
and it doesn't look real at all in any way. Interesting,

1707
01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:02.680
but Stuff's emotional material suggested without stating outright, that the

1708
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:05.960
film featured the real murder of a woman, which amounted

1709
01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:08.600
to false advertising. That's the worst part. It was like

1710
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:10.840
it was like we committed a real crime, but we didn't.

1711
01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:14.800
So it's like, hey, that's a crime too. Yeah. The

1712
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:18.640
film slogan read the film that could only be made

1713
01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:23.880
in South America, where life is cheap. Shackleton put out

1714
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.840
false newspaper clippings that reported a citizens group crusading against

1715
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:30.600
the film, and hired people to act as protesters and

1716
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:31.760
pickett the screenings.

1717
01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:33.600
Wow. Wow.

1718
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.520
The best part is Shackleton's efforts succeeded in generating a

1719
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:40.159
media frenzy about the film. Real feminist and citizens groups

1720
01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:43.600
eventually started protesting the movie and picketing theaters. As a result,

1721
01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:47.840
the New York District Attorney investigated the picture, establishing that

1722
01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:50.720
it was a hoax, but the controversy nevertheless made the

1723
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:52.640
film financially profitable.

1724
01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:55.039
Good for him.

1725
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:57.199
That's one of those movies that's like, not very good,

1726
01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:59.000
but I should like make you. I should like show

1727
01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:00.840
you that next time I see you. Just watch snuff.

1728
01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:05.600
It's not great, it's not terrible. It's fine. So here's

1729
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.640
where we're going to go into the rumors related to

1730
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:12.720
serial killers and things in that nature. In subsequent years,

1731
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:16.159
more urban legends emerged about stuff movies. Notably, multiple serial

1732
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:19.439
killers were rumored to have produced stuff films. However, no

1733
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:22.720
such videos were proven to exist. Henry Lee Lucas and

1734
01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:26.000
his accomplice Otis Toole claimed to have filmed their crimes,

1735
01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:30.520
but both men were pathological liars. That's really true of them.

1736
01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:35.199
In fact, Tomorrow or Friday, depending on if you listen

1737
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:36.720
to Do You've a Movie? On Do You of a Movie?

1738
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.520
Or on Weekly Spooky, we cover Confessions of a Serial Killer,

1739
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:42.319
which is based on the crimes of Henry L. Lucas

1740
01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:46.840
an Otis tool. So that's worth mentioning. It's a great film,

1741
01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:53.239
and the purported films were never found. Charles Yun and

1742
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:57.560
Leonard Lake videotaped their interactions with some of their future victims,

1743
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:00.279
but not the murderers. Lawrence Brittaker and Roy no Trus

1744
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:02.800
made an audio recording of their encounter with one victim,

1745
01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:07.720
though not her death. Likewise, Paul Bernardo and Carla Homo

1746
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:12.560
Homo Olka made videos of Bernardo sexually abusing to victims,

1747
01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:16.960
but did not film the murders. In all those cases,

1748
01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.159
the recordings were not intended for public consumption and were

1749
01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:25.239
used as evidence in their trials. Sure, yeah, so that

1750
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:26.159
makes sense.

1751
01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.560
I mean, I do think it's interesting that they'd film

1752
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:32.560
other things like assault, but then they'll like, yeah, we're

1753
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:34.640
not going to film the murder, but we don't want

1754
01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:35.279
to get in trouble.

1755
01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:41.000
Well, I mean, I might even say they're not of

1756
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:47.000
sound mind, but I don't know. Over the years, several

1757
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:50.359
films were suspected of being snuff movies, though none of

1758
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:53.720
these accusations turn out to be true. A similar controversy

1759
01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:56.079
concerned the filming of the video for the nineteen nine

1760
01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.760
song down in It by Nine Inch Nails, in which

1761
01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:01.640
in which Trent Read acted in a scene which ended

1762
01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:04.600
with the implication that Resner's character had fallen off a

1763
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:07.720
building and died. To film the scene, a camera was

1764
01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:11.039
tied to a balloon with ropes. Minutes after filming started,

1765
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:13.720
the ropes snapped and the balloons and camera fell away,

1766
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:18.359
eventually landing in a farmer's field in Michigan. The farmer

1767
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:22.399
later handed it to the FBI, who began investigating whether

1768
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:25.960
the footage was a snuff film portraying a person committing suicide.

1769
01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:29.399
That's really funny. I'd never heard that story before me neither.

1770
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:30.359
Yeah.

1771
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:34.279
The FBI identified Trent Resner and the investigation ended when

1772
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:36.560
it was confirmed that he was alive and the footage

1773
01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:41.800
was not related to a crime. In the Internet age,

1774
01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:48.880
allowing everyone to broadcast self made videos became an interesting

1775
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.479
It had an interesting effect on the concept of snuff films.

1776
01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.079
There have been several cases of murders being filmed by

1777
01:41:55.079 --> 01:42:02.079
their perpetrators. These include Mexican cartels, jiehattists, all kinds of

1778
01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:06.680
horrible things. But author Steve Luliban, who wrote a book

1779
01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:11.039
on the Magnata case, commented that social media had created

1780
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.079
a new trend and crime where killers who crave attention

1781
01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:16.319
can become online broadcasters by showing their crimes to the world.

1782
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:21.039
Fangoria commented that Magnata's twenty twelve video, which showed him

1783
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:23.560
mutilating the corpse of his victim, was the closest thing

1784
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.479
in existence to an actual stuff movie, especially as Magnata

1785
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:30.159
had done some crude editing and used a song as

1786
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:34.720
a soundtrack. Wow yeah, that is I remember vaguely hearing

1787
01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:40.520
about that that they actually like edited the murder. Wow yeah. However,

1788
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.319
it did not show the murder itself, and was originally

1789
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:48.800
published to attract attention. So I guess it's a trailer

1790
01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:52.439
to murder. I guess so, yeah, which sounds like a

1791
01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:57.159
great like old school radio drama, a trailer to murder.

1792
01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.680
The charges of which Magnata was found guilty included publishing

1793
01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:07.159
obscene materials. In twenty sixteen, the owner of bestgore dot com,

1794
01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:10.039
the website that originally hosted the video, pleaded guilty to

1795
01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:12.199
an obscenity charge and was sentenced to a six month

1796
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:17.720
conditional sentence, half of which was served under house arrest. So,

1797
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:20.479
I mean, there's a whole thing. I mean, do you

1798
01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:22.600
remember when you were a kid, even if you didn't

1799
01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:24.880
go to them, but do you remember the true the

1800
01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:33.399
real gore sites, like really like something awful. There were

1801
01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:34.920
a lot of those sites where I mean, I'm not

1802
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:36.640
saying I was not I of a weak stomach. I

1803
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.880
would admit if I was on those sites. They were

1804
01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:42.399
pretty heinous. It was not very interested, but they were

1805
01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:43.199
all over the place.

1806
01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:45.920
Yeah, I didn't really have any friends, so I didn't

1807
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.159
know that.

1808
01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:51.840
That's good, that's for the best. Also, in I want

1809
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.720
to mention a few worthwhile mentions on the movies that

1810
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:59.159
people thought were stuff films even though they weren't. Faces

1811
01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:01.039
of Death from nineteen seventy eight, which was like a

1812
01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:05.600
fake documentary that featured fake and real instances of death

1813
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:10.960
in it. The fake ones were very clearly fake, and

1814
01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.680
the real ones were so clearly real because they weren't

1815
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:16.920
filmed well, they weren't lit well. They were very obviously

1816
01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:20.960
news sources and things like that. But that movie drove

1817
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:22.680
people crazy. People were like, oh my god, you have

1818
01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:24.399
to see Faces of Death because you see like real

1819
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:26.600
death in it, and blah blah blah blah blah. And

1820
01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:29.520
the later ones just became like best of compilations of

1821
01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:33.079
horrible accidents and stuff like that, kind of like Fail

1822
01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:37.920
Army if it were run by Satan. Then there were

1823
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:41.279
the Guinea Pig films, which came from Japan, and the

1824
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:44.279
first one kind of almost seemed like it could have

1825
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:48.520
been just somebody filming a woman being tortured, although it

1826
01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:51.319
did have like editing and soundtrack. I think it looked

1827
01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:53.920
like a movie overall, but famously it was I think

1828
01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:56.880
in nineteen ninety one, Charlie Sheen, of all people became

1829
01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:00.600
convinced that one of the Guinea Pigs movies, I think

1830
01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:04.560
was the second one, was an actual murder, and he

1831
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:09.479
contacted the FBI. He investigated the film.

1832
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:10.199
Wow.

1833
01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:14.520
Luckily, the producers had released a making of video of

1834
01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:16.600
like how they made the movie, so once they saw that,

1835
01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:19.920
they were like, oh, okay, you're fine. Yeah. And then

1836
01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:21.680
the other one that I think is really worth mentioning

1837
01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.239
before we wrap up is Cannibal Holocaust. Like I said,

1838
01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:26.079
one of my favorite movies of all time, believe it

1839
01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:29.159
or not, directed by Rogiero da Dado, who I once

1840
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:31.000
stood next to while we were waiting for a fire

1841
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.960
alarm to be shut off at a convention. People always

1842
01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:35.439
said like, did you talk to him, Like, No, I

1843
01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:40.000
do not speak Italian, Yeah, he speaks No. As far

1844
01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.319
as I knew, he spoke no English. He's passed away since.

1845
01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:47.760
But the Italian director, Rogeo da Dada was actually charged

1846
01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:52.520
with a crime after rumors that he'd actually murdered his

1847
01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:57.600
actors in Central America. It came about or in South America,

1848
01:45:57.720 --> 01:45:59.439
but he was able to clear himself with the charges

1849
01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:01.960
after actors that had died in the movie made appearances

1850
01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:04.479
in court and on television. But it was scary there

1851
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.479
for a minute because there were people that had died

1852
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:09.199
in the movie that like literally don't like it was

1853
01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.039
in I think they're shot in Brazil mostly like literally

1854
01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:16.319
didn't have like legal names, like ah, couldn't find them,

1855
01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:19.319
like they were literally like natives.

1856
01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:23.439
Yeah, yeah, okay, I was gonna say, because how would

1857
01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:25.640
you even like if they're just regular actors. It's like

1858
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:27.600
they're not dead though I saw them.

1859
01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.119
Well, they were low budget actors, so you know, they

1860
01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:33.319
like you would have to like, you know, they weren't

1861
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.880
like on Guiding Light or some shit Italian Guiding Light.

1862
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:41.199
But yeah, I mean that movie. I love that movie,

1863
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.680
but it is very heinous. It was banned in a

1864
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:46.560
ton of countries. They claimed it was banned in over

1865
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:49.880
fifty countries. I don't think that really happened, but it

1866
01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.840
was banned in a bunch of countries. And it and

1867
01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:57.199
unlike these other movies, Cannibal Holocaust is supposed to look

1868
01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:01.319
like footage they found in the am although it's presented

1869
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:03.880
in it like a movie, like there's just actors in

1870
01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:06.359
a room that are lit and they're like, let's watch this,

1871
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:08.479
and then they do and they show it. So it's

1872
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:13.159
presented like a movie. So anyway, I just thought those

1873
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:18.279
were some interesting concepts about stuff movies. But we have

1874
01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:23.199
I'm frankly exhausted, Michelle, and you've been making hand signals

1875
01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:25.960
at me this entire time, trying to tell me to

1876
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:29.520
leave you alone. I know, at first I thought you

1877
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:32.439
were just trying to tell me your gang affiliation. Yeah,

1878
01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:38.319
I still do. You just did a vulcan salute as

1879
01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:39.720
your Dan's gang signal.

1880
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:41.159
That's our symbol.

1881
01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:48.039
Well, sheell, I think we're gonna get out of here.

1882
01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:50.479
I hope everybody had a great New Year's I hope

1883
01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:53.319
they're enjoying twenty twenty five as much as possible so far.

1884
01:47:53.800 --> 01:47:56.159
And I hope Shelle you get some good news as

1885
01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:01.199
best as possible about your allergy issues. So but thank

1886
01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:04.239
you guys so much for listening to Monthly Spooky. We'll

1887
01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:06.319
be back at the last Monday of next month with

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even more spooky news and something creepy to talk about.

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If you want to email us, you can do so

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at Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. We would love

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to hear from you. And until next time, Michelle, you

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have the final word.

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I don't I don't know what to say.