Sept. 29, 2025

Monthly Spooky | Halloween Origins: Samhain, Trick-or-Treat & Jack-O’-Lanterns

Monthly Spooky | Halloween Origins: Samhain, Trick-or-Treat & Jack-O’-Lanterns

Discover the eerie origins of Halloween from Samhain rituals to modern trick-or-treating! Kick off spooky season with Monthly Spooky as we uncover the origins of Halloween—from ancient Samhain rites to the folklore behind trick-or-treat,...

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends
Discover the eerie origins of Halloween from Samhain rituals to modern trick-or-treating!

Kick off spooky season with Monthly Spooky as we uncover the origins of Halloween—from ancient Samhain rites to the folklore behind trick-or-treat, jack-o’-lanterns (yes, turnips first!), towering bonfires, and why bats became icons of the night. We connect old-world customs to the traditions you love today, separating myth from history so you can sound scary-smart all October.
Inside this episode
  • Samhain → All Hallows’ → Halloween: how the celebration evolved
  • Souling & guising: the path to modern trick-or-treat
  • Turnip to pumpkin: the strange journey of the jack-o’-lantern
  • Bonfires & bats: practical reasons that became spooky symbols
  • Apple games, bobbing & fortune-telling: the harvest rituals that linger
  • Mischief Night, witches, black cats: what’s legend vs. what’s real

Plus fresh spooky news
  • Erin Patterson: the latest Death Cap mushroom sentencing update
  • UFO festival stunt to “make contact” (and why these events keep booming)
  • A massive sinkhole that swallowed part of a neighborhood
  • A dangerous squirell attacking innocent people

New here? This episode stands alone—perfect entry point for fans of Halloween history, folklore, and true-crime-adjacent spooky news.🎧 Hit play, then tell us: Which tradition surprised you most?

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👨‍💼 Executive Producers: Rob Fields, Bobbletopia.com
🎥 Produced by: Daniel Wilder
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The haunting origins of Halloween tradition, a wild squirrel on

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the loose, ready to attack the most haunted highway in Scotland,

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and Michelle prefers her corpses mesquite style. Get comfortable, turn

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off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky, all right, my spooky's hello. Hello.

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It is indeed that time of the month. It's the

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only catchphrase that's caught in like three years for this program,

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is it's that time of the month. Sorry deeply. I'm,

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of course Enrique Kutto here with my good buddy and

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Monthly Spooky co host Michelle Shell. I'm not going to

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ask how you're doing, thank you, because we get emails

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of people saying, please stop asking her that it hurts her.

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We can tell yeah, no, no, but we uh but

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I am going to say that there is a mystery

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afoot in your life right now. Yeah, the mystery wall

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your neighbors are building.

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Oh yeah, they're building a wall.

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What when you say a wall, do you mean a fence?

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No, I mean a wall. So they flatten the backyard

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part of it and then they flatten the other part.

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But it's on a slope, so it can't be flat

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really unless they flatten it all the way, It doesn't

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make sense. So then there was a spot where one

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part was way higher than the other part. And then

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they dug a trench and I was like, what is

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the trench for? And then I was like, it's it

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gonna be a wall. So now they're building a wall

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out of CINDERBLOCKX like literal wall.

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Could it have been a mo to not a trench?

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Sure, but now it's filled with cinder blocks, so it's

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not anything.

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It wouldn't be a very good moat.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's technically a retaining wall. Oh, but

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I just don't understand why it's there and why they

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did that to the backyard. And they seem to be

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filding building some sort of form like for concrete at

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the way back against their fence. I don't know what

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that means. What's gonna happen there.

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I I've been to your house many times and I've

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seen that neighbor's yard. They're like the easiest to see

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from most of the you know, from the living room,

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dining room, stuff like that. I don't I can't think

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of any need for a retaining wall.

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Well there is now that they changed the way the

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backyard slopes.

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Before they're creating jobs, you know, they're keeping themselves employed.

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I guess it might be that. I mean, it's like

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the landlord and just his I guess friends, because they

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only really do it on the weekends. I don't know, Jesus, So.

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I'm very worried.

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Yeah, they knocked down the front porch post columns which

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were made out of laugh, which I thought was really.

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Interesting, made out of what laugh?

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Like laugh that like wood pieces that go under plaster.

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just stuck up like big just pieces of wood that

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don't look any better or potentially look worse, a lot worse.

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So I'm very confused.

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I am too. I was. I was more excited when

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all you knew is they were digging a hole. Yeah.

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We were hoping they were digging.

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A hole to like hell, yeah.

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That would have been way cooler.

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Yeah. They didn't even really dig a hole. They just

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made it. They just leveled out the backyard.

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Nah, well that's lame.

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Well hmmm, speaking of things that are lame, I don't know.

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That's a horrible transition. I've been slowly but surely putting

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up my Halloween decorations.

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That's good.

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The need for month for a weekly Spooky in October

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as usual is a hell of a lot, and it's

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been very hard to find any other time in the

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day to do much else, especially since albeit Cinema Wasteland

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this weekend this coming weekend, so I have to have

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three days where I'm not recording. But don't worry. Still talking,

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still talking because it's a sales convention, so still talking

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NonStop all day long, So no rest for the voice,

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just you know, just not into a microphone.

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What if you just use the voice thing on chat GPT,

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Oh god, and like you just told it what it

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needed to say when people ask questions.

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Did you hear about sore? They just released the new

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AirPods Pro three okay, and apparently the Airpod's Pro three

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and two, which I'm a huge AirPods pro believer. They

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are going to have a technology from your phone that

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will allow it to hear people talking to you in

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other languages and translate it.

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Really, yeah, it's time.

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It's time.

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It's time for Star.

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Trek, it's time for the Universal Translator. Wow, it's not

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and for real. The only reason that it has to

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be AirPods Pro two or three is that the the

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headset requires a certain amount of processing power in order

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to capture the audio properly. But yeah, it's it's I

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think that feature hasn't been rolled out yet, but it

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will be, like in a couple of months or something.

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H Now I'm checking Apple of Translation. Oh no, it

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it works now. Oh yeah. On the seventeenth of September

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it started.

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Wow, I wonder how good the translations are.

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Me too. I'm gonna have to test it because I

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have AirPods Pro too, so and I'm getting at AirPods

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Pro three because I was like, I shouldn't buy these,

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they're expensive. And then I literally was like, you literally

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use them every single day. Like, of all the tech

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stuff that you use to make your day easier, your

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phone and your AirPods are the only things you're guaranteed

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to use every single day.

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So then I was like, all right, I really do

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like air pods, and these new ones are gonna have

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eight hours of after active noise canceling on one charge.

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That's I think that's phenomenal, eight hours instead of six.

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I don't yeah, I didn't even know it was six before.

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I don't know, all right, fine, pooh pooh. Everything I

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think is cool. Yeah, but yeah, so they'll be translating.

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But yeah, so I've been putting up light which I

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found out something in my neighborhood. I don't know if

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it was a raccoon or a cat or a what

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pulled down a portion of my string lights on my

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gutters squirrel, Probably it could be. It would have to

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be pretty heavy to be able to pull them down

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because they're on hooks that aren't attacked. They're hooked into

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the gutter, so they have to pull really hard to

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get that dislodged. And not only do they pull it,

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but I have my wires. I have the wires on

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my string lights coiled and zip tied so that the

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light bulbs are closer to each other to make them bright.

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And it had like pulled those like really tight, like

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it had undone them a bit, which means something had

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to really pull. My first thought was that it was Rachel.

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I was like, Rachel, did you accidentally walk into the

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lights because they're plugged in down below? Did you like

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walking in and actually kind of like trip and you

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didn't want to say anything. You're going to fix it

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or something and she was like no, and I was like, oh, huh.

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So I'm thinking it's got to be something bigger than

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a squirrel because that would take quite a bit of force.

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But unfortunately, now that string of lights doesn't work at

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all because they're water resistant. But the pack, the electronics

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pack on it, is not waterproof. And I had had

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it stuck underneath the awning like against the house, so

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it never got wet because it was like water resistant

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up to a very low amount. So I was like, oh,

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I'll just keep it there. So that's dead. So I

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have to buy an entire new strand of those lights.

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I'm sorry, because you can't buy just the pack because

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the pack is the most expensive thing. Like the lights

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are like barely additional. So but once that's up, I'll

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have my Christmas lights that I can program to like

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flash between orange and purple and stuff, so I can

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have my Halloween spooky lights. And I got my jack

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O lantern face projector projecting on my garage door. And

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I got some zombie head stakes that'll go along the

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walkway to my front of my house, and they have

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motion sensors that they light up and go when you

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walk by them.

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That's pretty cool.

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And at these are great because they run on batteries,

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which I would normally be annoyed by, but it's so

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nice to be able to have the freedom to put

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them somewhere, not right by an outlet. Yeah, although I'll

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probably into putting them right by an outlet. So anyway,

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I'm trying to get my house halloweened up before October

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officially starts. It is like, we're so close to spooky

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season starting, so I thought, why not have our Halloween conversation,

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our our pre Halloween conversation, be about the origins of

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Halloween traditions. And I know we've done a few of

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those kinds of things before, especially the one that was

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all about what was it wool crepe paper? It was

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crepe paper. But I found this really interesting piece from

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the Library of Congress about the origins of Halloween traditions.

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So I figure we'll dig into that. But first we

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got to get to the spooky news after this, all right,

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we're back, But before we get to the thing that

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if I say it it triggers something, we do have

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a news update, which I know you know about because

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like right after our last monthly Spooky recording, they finally

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sentenced Aaron Patterson, the mushroom killer from Australia. And we've

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been following this for months here at Monthly Spooky. It

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took over almost an entire episode of the show. When

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we first found out about this story and started reading

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about it, it was kind of mind blowing. Yeah, yeah,

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so this is a news According to NPR headline is

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the Australian woman who killed her in laws with toxic

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mushrooms gets life in prison. And I appreciate Michelle that

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you told me immediately when you heard, because I wanted

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to hear it from you before anybody else. An Australian

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judge sentenced Aaron Patterson to life in prison on Monday,

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weeks after she was convicted of killing three of her

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estranged husband's elderly relatives with poisonous mushrooms in a home

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cooked meal. And if you guys don't know the story,

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go back on the Monthly Spooky catalog because there is

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so much lore. I'm planning on and maybe in the

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new year doing like a really exhaustive, terrifying and true

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about the whole thing. You should because there's so many

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crazy details and I want to wait till they all

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come out. I mean the court, you know, her saying like, oh,

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I've never even whatever, and they're like, okay, anyway, here's

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like you googling how to forage deadly mushrooms. You know,

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like it's like not quite that well, it might be

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that bad. Actually, some of the stuff I was reading,

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I was like, what on Earth. In July, after a

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nine week trial, a jury found Patterson guilty of three

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counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. On Monday,

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Justice Justice Christopher Beale sentenced the fifty year old mother

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of two to three life sentences plus another twenty five

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years for attempted murder. I threw the book at her.

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Yeah she will be eligible.

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Yeah, she'll be eligible for.

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Parole, I know in thirty three years.

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Yeah, that's bullshit.

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I don't understand how you'd be eligible for parole in

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thirty three years when you got three life sentences plus

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twenty five years.

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I don't understand what.

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Yeah, I know that it's by their discretion. I guess

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their attitude is the likelihood of recidivism is low, Like,

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why would she kill again? Since it was a very

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specific situation and also she'll be eighty two years old

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if she's still alive by the time she gets out

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in twenty fifty six. Yeah, so I guess the attitude

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is like, since she's not a repeat offender, since this

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is her first defense ever, that the likelihood that she'll

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end up back there. You know what, they're just a

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kind nation because they're a nation of convicts. Yeah, imagine

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how bad you had to be to be sent all

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the way to Australia, Like that's really far away to

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originally be a prison colony. I think about that a lot.

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I should actually read about it though, instead of just

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being judgy. But I know we have a few ausy listeners.

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Send us an email, tell me I'm terrible Weekly Spooky

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at gmail dot com. At Monday's hearing, which was broadcast

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live from the Supreme Court of Victoria, Beale delivered a

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summary of the case against Patterson and concluded, quote, the

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gravity of your offending warrants the imposition of the maximum

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penalties for your crimes. That's what I said, ya. Patterson,

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who has maintained her innocence, kept her eyes closed for

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much of the hearing and showed little emotion when Beale

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announced her sentence. Under Australian law. She now has twenty

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eight days until October sixth to file an appeal against

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her sentence, conviction or both. Who In July of twenty

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twenty three, you host Patterson host the four guests for

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lunch at her home and small town in Langanthia. Yeah, yeah,

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Legantha howevery sent it? So it is undisputed that she

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served them individual portions of homemade bef Wellington, a dish

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steak dish wrapped in pastry, usually with a paste of

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finely chopped mushrooms, and as Pattersoners self acknowledged during the trial,

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that paste contained death cap mushrooms, which are among the

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most poisonous in the world.

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All four guests were hospitalized with gastro intestinal symptoms the

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following day, and three of them died. We've talked about

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a lot of this. It's just this story is so nuts.

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Yeah, and her lies are the best. Sorry.

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Yeah. Oh, I was going to say, I don't know

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if we touched on this when we originally talked about it,

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because I was talking to my mom about it. Death

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cap mushrooms are responsible for ninety percent of all mushroom fatalities, so.

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I don't think we had that. I know that they're

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like the most Fatal Mushroom. Yeah, which, by the way,

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would be a great name for our band, Fatal or.

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The most Fatal Mushroom.

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Ooh, kind of like the most it feels more meta.

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Yeah, so anyway, that that is pretty much it. Uh.

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Biale did say Patterson has been quote effectively held in

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solitary confinement for the last fifteen months, and for her

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own protection, could remain that way for years to come

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because of the everybody knowing about this case.

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Yeah, when you when you're all over the news, being

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in prison can be pretty dangerous because it just brings people,

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you know, it makes people aware of you.

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Okay, fine, I'm gonna start making everybody aware of you

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all the time.

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I feel like everyone's aware.

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Of me more. I'll do it more though.

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Fine.

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That is why he decided to make her eligible for

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parole eventually, despite the seriousness of her crime, because of

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the sheer amount of solitary confinement she will likely be

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put through. Okay, solitary confinement's brutal. Yeah, there are tons

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of studies about how like that's just hell on a

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human being's brain.

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That's how I want to go.

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Could you expound on that a little bit? What?

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I don't know. I just really wanted to say.

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That we weren't even talking about a way of dying.

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We were just talking about an experience. Okay, dark Chell, God,

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that was uncomfortable.

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Sorry.

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The quote, the harsh prison conditions that you have experienced

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already and the likely prospect of solitary confinement for the

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foreseeable future are important and weighty considerations which should count

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for something in the sentencing exercise. He said, Okay, so yeah,

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so that's I mean, that's pretty much it. Oh. She

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did later testify that, oh wait, no, no, sorry for

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a saying I thought she'd finally admitted that she said

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she had cancer. She did not. So I'm just skimming

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it to make sure there's nothing I hadn't because there's

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a lot of stuff we've already talked about in this article,

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but most importantly life in prison, three charge for three

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murders plus twenty five years.

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Wow.

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Honestly, like, I was afraid that they I was afraid

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they were going to somehow be like, oh, it's criminally

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negligent homicide or something, when it's like so clear she

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killed those people.

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Yeah, yeah, no on purpose. I was confident that it

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would work out.

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You have a lot of confidence in the legal.

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System, Australian legal system.

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Is it because they still wear wigs?

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I assume yeah, because that's a big deal.

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It makes a difference, damn it, it does. Well, we're

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gonna come back and then we'll actually jump into the

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uh stuff right after this. All right, without any further ado, Michelle,

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would you like to do the honors?

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No, it's okay.

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It's not that you turn it down. It's that you

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are so happy to you just had like you went

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from like a like a basic you know, resting face,

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too huge smile and said, no, no, it's yours. I

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don't know if that was your thrill at like putting

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me off, or if it was your thrill at like

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not accepting kindness for yourself. They're all good answers.

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He mean, it's both of those things.

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You're a very multifaceted individual. I'll give you that. But

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it's time for the spooky news. The spooky news and

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shell I'm feeling nostalgic because Halloween time always makes me nostalgic.

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I think that that's my favorite thing about holidays. You know,

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you think about the past ones, you get a little nostalgic.

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So we're starting this month with a story from Mirror

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dot co dot UK.

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Wow, it's been a while.

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Let's hope it's not a commercial. That's like, every time

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we do a Mirror dot Code at UK, I'm like,

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please don't be a commercial for something.

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Mm hmm.

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And I've had We've had a few British and UK

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listeners right in and say that, Yeah, Mirror dot Code

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at UK, they all make fun of it, so that's good.

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They enjoy when we when we take the piss out

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of Mirror dot Code at UK. Good headline is UK's

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most haunted road, where phantom trucks have caused real life crashes.

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Oh no, yeah, sounds spooky, right.

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It definitely sounds like stuff.

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Well, roads at night get very effortlessly get creepy. I

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would say, well, I mean, have you never been creeped

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out when you're driving all alone at night?

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No. I think we've talked about this in the past,

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and I just don't really get it. I don't really

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think roads are creepy at night.

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I mean I like driving at night, so I'm not

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saying that like all I ever do when I'm on

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a highways or a dark road is go like ooh, scared.

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But okay, maybe sometimes scared. But I do find sometimes

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like certain stretches of road for whatever reason, just kind

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of feel a little creepier at night. Not all of them,

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by any stretch. Most interstates feel totally fine, you know,

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it's just like, oh yeah, but every now and then,

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like when I would drive to Georgia through the night.

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I used to have to do that a lot. There's

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a stretch through North Carolina that's just back roads, it's

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not interstate, and it can be pretty in the daytime

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it is so beautiful. Yeah, at night it is creepy

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as hell.

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I just don't find roads creepy.

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Be sorry, fine, okay, I'm the I'm stupid. That's what

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you're what you're saying.

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You win, you win win.

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Across the UK, there are roads with reputations that could

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make even the most experienced driver second guess a late

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night journey. That's you, I don't think so. Ghostly figures

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appearing from nowhere, phantom vehicles, and unexplained accidents that have

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been reported by drivers for decades, making some stretches of

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tarmac notoriously haunted.

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I mean, if I got into an accident, it would

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be very convenient to blame it on the ghost car.

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That's a really good point. I'm with you on that,

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that that would be incredibly convenient. Yeah, that's a fair point.

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The rural lanes to bustling motorways are from rural lanes

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to bustling motorways. These spectral encounters have become part of

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local lore. Below overco oh it below overco and online

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marketplaces part places, free my God, Mirra Dakota, UK get

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a copy editor below. Ovoco, an online marketplace it says

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places for used car parts, has compiled a list of

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the UK's most haunted roads where driving at night can

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be an experience that's equal parts eerie and unnerving.

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Ooh.

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At the top of the list is A seventy five.

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I'm guessing that's how they label there highways I don't

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actually know, dubbed Scotland's most haunted road, the A seventy

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five want winds through? I guess that is a spell wine. Wait, no,

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that's wins isn't wind with an h oh boy, we're

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gonna we're all gonna don't think an h in it.

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You're probably right. I just read I don't write. The

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A seventy five winds through Dumbfreeze and Galloway and has

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a history of bizarre sightings. Drivers have reported phantom trucks

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appearing out of nowhere, ghostly pedestrians stepping onto the tarmac,

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and spectral animals darting across the road. Okay, spectral animals.

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Note animals always dart out of the road. Yeah, out

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of nowhere. Yeah, that's always how that works.

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Yeah, And pedestrians sometimes go on the road.

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Too, they do.

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And sometimes trucks just appear.

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I don't think that part's true.

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Are you sure you don't think trucks just kind of

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phase in and out of reality as a part of

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their normal thing that they're doing.

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I can't say that. I do think that really Yeah maybe.

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I mean I don't know how to explain this to you.

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You know, sometimes they're in one place, then they go

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through the thing, and then they're in another place.

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Unrelated question, do you have a carbon monoxide detector?

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I have three carbon monoxide detectors.

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None of them working, yes, all of them. Because I

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was tired of all that beeping distracting me from my theories. Yeah,

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I do want to mention quick plug. A couple weeks

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ago or last week actually, on Terrifying and True, I

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did a story about America's spook hollow roads, which I

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thought was really fun, which is basically the concept of

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a very American tradition of haunted roadways. I really recommend

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to listen to that, and if you like that, my

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deep dive into the urban legend resurrection Mary out of

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Chicago one of my favorite episodes I've ever done of

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Terrifying and True. Really love diving into the folklore. I

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can get a little squeamish with the true crime stuff,

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so I need the folklore to cleanse my palate. It's

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a lot more fun, Yeah, because you know if it

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says like and then I'm killed this whole family. Yeah,

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but that was a long time ago. It's fine. Yeah,

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those over one hundred years ago. Who cares. I didn't

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know him, But yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's better.

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One chilling story that may be more rumor than the

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stuff written into Traffic Scotland's Traffic Scotland's Archives involves two

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truck drivers who crashed into what they thought was an

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oncoming lory, only to find nothing but an empty road

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when they.

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Recovered huh they used truck and lory they did in

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the same sentence, I I'm scared.

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This is the scariest part. Is just British English?

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Yeah.

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The A seventy five has inspired claims of supernatural encounters

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for centuries, making night driving here an unnerving experience for

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those inclined to believe in the paranormal. Several years ago,

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John Hill of Mostly Ghostly Paranormal Investigators decided to research

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the road and its spooky reputation. He claimed that he

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unearthed so many ghostly encounters on the tarmac length that

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it is well deserving of the most haunted road in

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Scotland and some say all of Britain title. Mister Hill

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and Mostly Ghostly founder Kathleen Crony held the first ever

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ghost coach tour of the road back in twenty thirteen,

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offering a guided tour of its most spine chilling sites.

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Might be becoming.

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A commercial kind of sounds like it.

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Miss Croney told the BBC that one of the most

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infamous sightings was made by Derek and Norman Ferguson in

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nineteen sixty two. Quote they were driving along here, and

465
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.480
the whole incident began with a large hen flying towards

466
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.559
the windscreen of their car. Windscreen of their car, she said.

467
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:01.519
Then they witnessed great cats and various other creatures, as

468
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.160
well as witnessing a phantom furniture van, which is a

469
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.960
bit unusual, to say the least, not according to Michelle, it's.

470
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:13.039
Not well, no, I no van, No, it was trucks.

471
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.559
Vans would be weird if a ban just came out

472
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:16.319
of nowhere.

473
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.920
I guess that's a fair point. Yeah, all right, well

474
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.000
we'll we'll learn a little bit more about this haunted

475
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:34.200
roadway right after this. All right, we're back looking at

476
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.799
the story of the Scottish the most haunted Scottish road,

477
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:44.400
according to these jimmokes, According to those who worked on

478
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.599
the road, lorry drivers would regularly report seeing groups of dejected,

479
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.839
bedraggled people. What is with the language, and this is

480
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.720
so British. I feel like it's not normally so we

481
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:59.400
don't usually hear be draggled Like I didn't say it

482
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.160
was a bad word, said, I don't expect that. Yeah,

483
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:08.640
bedraggled people pulling hand carts, other translucent figures carried bundles.

484
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.160
Bob Sturgeon used to run a snack van on the

485
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.000
A seventy five. A snack van. I'm guessing it's a

486
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:15.920
van full of snacks.

487
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.920
Ah maybe or it's a man made of snacks.

488
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:24.039
Oh, that sounds delicious, A job that put him in

489
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.319
regular contact with the HGV drivers who went up and

490
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.839
down it. He claimed that one lorry driver had quit

491
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.079
the industry after seeing a gaggle of ghosts on the road.

492
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:40.200
The language is a little funny, yeah. Quote. He had

493
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.839
been parked on the kin Mount Strait and he had

494
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.079
woken up at three in the morning and he saw

495
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.519
this parade of people. He said that it went on

496
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.440
for ages and he had just frozen. He was in

497
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:58.839
an awful state, mister Sturgeon said. Scottish Paranormal, An investigation

498
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.000
involved in scotland spookier happened and invest in organizations Sorry

499
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.240
involved in Scotland's spookier happenings, has compiled the list of

500
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.720
the alleged sightings along the A seventy five and the

501
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:15.200
characters that seem to appear multiple times. They also report

502
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.839
large groups of ghosts walking along the roads, but of

503
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.319
a different sort and from a different time. Well, it'd

504
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.960
be weird if the ghosts were from the future.

505
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.200
They didn't say what time they were. Oh, so maybe

506
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:29.279
they are the future.

507
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.839
I mean, oh wow, this is going really far back.

508
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.960
Quote travel back in time and envision a ghostly legion

509
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.319
of Romans marching along the A seventy five, visible only

510
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.839
from the knees up, a stark reminder of the land's

511
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.440
evolving topography, and a haunting connection to Scotland's ancient past

512
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.559
Scottish paranormal rites. Wow, so they're going all the way

513
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:52.920
to Rome.

514
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:58.119
Okay, so I assume that the A seventy five has

515
00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.839
been around since Roman time.

516
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.039
I mean my guess would be that it's just that

517
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.279
it may have been like some kind of a thorough

518
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.119
like a you know, dirt roads or yeah. Yeah, but

519
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:09.160
path of some sort.

520
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.319
It would still have to exist, otherwise it would make

521
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.240
no sense for people to deep walking up.

522
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.440
It's probably just made up. Yeah, it's priab just made up.

523
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:16.240
Yeah.

524
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.799
Another alarming character is that of the old game keeper,

525
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.960
who is said to appear at the side of the

526
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.720
road with a rifle, watching the vehicles driving by, before

527
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:33.119
suddenly disappearing. Okay, that sounds creepy.

528
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.359
Could just be some guy, but could just be a.

529
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.279
Guy who still has a rifle somehow.

530
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.000
Yeah.

531
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.839
Those who put off by who are put off by

532
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.359
the sound of the above and are considering making a

533
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.799
lengthy diversion to skip a seventy five need not worry.

534
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:54.720
Ghosts are not real. That's the last. That's mirror dot

535
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.240
code at UK A fascinating experience. I've ever so confused. Yeah,

536
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:00.519
but I.

537
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:07.480
Did learn that in the UK, like in California, they

538
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.519
put the in front of highway numbers.

539
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.480
Huh according Oh yeah, like they just say it that

540
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:15.160
way too.

541
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.920
They say, yeah, yeah, the a seventy five instead of

542
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:20.720
a seventy five.

543
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.960
Yeah that is Yeah, I don't know about all that. Yeah,

544
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.680
I like it. I like not doing that. Like I

545
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.119
like that we just say I seventy five, I eighty five.

546
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.400
I like that because it saves time. Who's got time

547
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:34.640
for that?

548
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.359
Yeah, I already know it's the I don't have to

549
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.039
put it there.

550
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:39.640
Yeah, Like, come.

551
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:44.720
On, it's like in Spanish when you drop the the sometimes.

552
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.359
Well, I want to tell a story that's a little

553
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.160
bit uplifting, and this is one that I'd been meaning

554
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.920
to read on the show for a while, but I

555
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.960
never got around to it. This is from NPR headline.

556
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.359
After five hundred and twenty nine days alone in the

557
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.960
Australian bush, Valerie the Mini docsun is home.

558
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.920
Oh I know about this, you do. Yeah, that's all

559
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:09.200
I know.

560
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.839
But yeah, bundled I'm a dog person, So bundled in

561
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.519
a little blanket on a plush couch, Valerie doesn't quite

562
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.519
look like a dog who recently survived more than seventeen

563
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:26.680
months in the Australian wilderness. She's nestled between her two owners,

564
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.960
twenty four year old Georgia Gardner and twenty five year

565
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:33.759
old Josh Fishlock, licking the couple's faces every so often

566
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:39.160
as they talk over zoom ah quote. She's the queen

567
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.480
of the house, Gardner says, smiling. It's her house and

568
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.279
we just live in it a bit. But for five

569
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.119
hundred and twenty nine days, Valerie, a roughly ten pound

570
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.359
mini docs in with short legs and a long, black

571
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.720
and brown body, was missing from that house. During a

572
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.319
November two thousand and two, twenty three camping trip to

573
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.400
Kangaroo Island to Remote Island in southern Australia, she ran

574
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:12.119
away from the campsite. Yeah, on an island.

575
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:13.920
I mean that's confusing.

576
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.599
I man, I like, my greatest fear when I would

577
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.519
take my dogs anywhere is that they would run away disappear.

578
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.279
Really on an island, I was really lucky. My dogs

579
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.759
didn't really do the runaway thing. When I was a kid,

580
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.240
our dogs did. They would like try to just run

581
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:30.640
for it.

582
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.200
Yeah. Yeah, I had a dog that would do would

583
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:33.759
run away.

584
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.920
Look at this dog. Wowp yeah's because she's laying back

585
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:46.119
big old floppy years. Anyway, Valerie was microchipped and also

586
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.200
had an Apple Air tag on her collar. Oh that's smart.

587
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.839
The AAR tag is really smart. But the island is

588
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.680
sparsely populated and largely used for farming and livestock, and

589
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:01.160
the tag needed Apple Bluetooth devices nearby to track her down.

590
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.279
So the couple did what others do when their pets

591
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.519
go missing. They posted about her disappearance on a local

592
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.920
Facebook group, left some of their clothes and toys with

593
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.239
valerie scent near the spot she ran off and switched

594
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.719
the air Air tag into lost mode. But despite searching

595
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.360
for days with members of the community, Gardner and Fishlock

596
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.159
had to return home to mainland. Australia leaving the island

597
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.360
without her. Wow, that's so rough.

598
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.079
Yeah, why didn't she come back?

599
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.840
I don't know. And Australia is not known for having

600
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.880
a very kind and forgiving nature, so quote leaving the

601
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.559
island was probably the hardest decision I think I've ever

602
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.840
made in my life. We went over there as a

603
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.519
three and we were going back as two. It was

604
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:55.199
a very horrible feeling, Fishlock remembers. They tried to hold

605
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.480
out hope that someone would find her and they'd be

606
00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.320
back in a week or two to pick her up.

607
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.360
Weeks turned into months and there was still no word

608
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:09.320
about Valerie. Yeah, Gardner says. The couple tried to cope

609
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.800
with the fact that their tiny dog had disappeared on

610
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.800
an island home to predators like snakes and eagles. They

611
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.440
made up a story, trying to convince themselves that she'd

612
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.639
been picked up by an old lady on a farm

613
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.599
and was now eating dog biscuits and sleeping in a

614
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.719
warm bed. Quote. But we definitely had to be realistic

615
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.679
that we might never get her home, and we had

616
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:39.039
to move through that grief. She says. Man, that's so rough, Yeah,

617
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.239
it really is. Then one day this past February, more

618
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.760
than a year after Valerie had gone missing, a farmer

619
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.039
on Kangaroo Island snapped a photo of a tiny dog

620
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.280
running through fields. That photo eventually made it to the

621
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.400
Kangala Wildlife Rescue, a local animal rescue on the island

622
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:03.760
generally focused more on wildlife than pets, who had been

623
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.199
in contact with Valerie's owners since she'd gone missing, and

624
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.280
shared it with them. Gardner says at first they couldn't

625
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.480
believe it. Quote, there's no way a four kilo dog

626
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.559
could survive that long, she remembers thinking, But she says

627
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.039
the photo was absolutely Valerie.

628
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:23.800
Wow.

629
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.679
I know right, Well, we're going to take a quick

630
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.320
break and we'll get into more of Valerie's amazing return

631
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:42.239
home after this, and we're back talking about possibly the

632
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.679
most badass mini docs and on Earth. Although there may

633
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.039
be some stiff competition, there definitely in the top ten.

634
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.639
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, that's the only one

635
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:52.880
I know.

636
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.480
So you haven't lived until you keep up with the

637
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:04.199
scorecards on mini Docsan's Eh, I'm never gonna live. Lisa Karen,

638
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.360
who runs Kangala Wife Wildlife Rescue with her husband Jared,

639
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.480
says Once that photo came through, they got to work

640
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.400
trying to rescue Valerie during their off hours. It was

641
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.119
no small feat. Karen says. They first thought it would

642
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.519
take only a few days to catch the mini docs in,

643
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.920
but they put out about a dozen of what she

644
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.760
calls cat traps, basic cages with a plate of food

645
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.119
and a door that latches when an animal goes in.

646
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:37.440
But they kept catching nearly everything, brush tail possums, feral cats, wallabies,

647
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.920
everything except Valerie.

648
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:42.480
Yeah.

649
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.920
Did you didn't you want a wallaby for Christmas? Wasn't

650
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:45.639
I gonna get you one?

651
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.920
I don't remember that at all, So.

652
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.920
No, okay, I guess I'll have him put to sleep.

653
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.039
No, just put him back where he belongs.

654
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.280
I can't.

655
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:00.400
Why not.

656
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.920
Because he belongs with you, Michelle.

657
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.159
No, he's never even met me before.

658
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.119
I let him loose in your house every night while

659
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.920
you're asleep. Oh, yeah, that's what that was.

660
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.800
Yeah.

661
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:25.679
Oh. Her next quote was even a few kangaroos put

662
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.480
their heads in there. So, along with a team of

663
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.320
other volunteers, they began experimenting with different traps, often working

664
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.760
long nights with little to no sleep. Eventually, they rigged

665
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.239
up a big pen with a roof, several wildlife cameras,

666
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.599
and a remote controlled door, setting it in the spot

667
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.320
where Valerie had been last seen. They replenished it daily

668
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.119
with food like roast chicken and filled it with Valeries

669
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.400
toys and clothes that carried the scent of her owner

670
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.760
of her owners. Eventually, Valerie started showing up, grabbing food

671
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:03.079
before darting back out again. Well, yeah, she's become cunning, Yeah,

672
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.159
to get by in the harsh, in the harsh world.

673
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.760
Let's face it, she was always cunning. She's she's been surviving.

674
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:09.800
She knows what she's doing.

675
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.480
Damn right. See, I like you. Now you're on team

676
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.960
valin I love that for you. And finally, after nearly

677
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.920
two months of trying to capture the little dog, everything

678
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.519
lined up. Valerie entered the pen and relaxed a bit.

679
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.920
Then they hit the remote to drop the door.

680
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:30.280
Yeah.

681
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.960
Quote, it was surreal walking down to the trap site

682
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.039
from the car and you could hear her barking. Karen

683
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.679
remembers she climbed into the pen alongside her daughter, and

684
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:46.280
eventually Valerie climbed into their laps and fell asleep. That's

685
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.039
really cute.

686
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.639
It's cute, but I feel bad for Valerie because I

687
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.679
think she wanted to be free.

688
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.440
I don't know about all that.

689
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.320
I think she wanted to be free.

690
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.480
Okay, So what you're saying is they should let her,

691
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.400
They should let her back into the wilderness.

692
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.880
What I'm saying is, this is a story of you know,

693
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.599
kidnapping an animal, and.

694
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.000
Wow, you turned our feel good story for the month

695
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.280
into something really hateful.

696
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.719
Great job, thanks quote.

697
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.960
Our hearts just broke. Then we knew she never ever

698
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.400
wanted to be to be a minute out there, she says,

699
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.000
they seem to disagree.

700
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.119
Well, then how come she didn't run to like the

701
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.079
farmer or that stuff. How come she kept going out

702
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:34.800
of the cage?

703
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.079
How come maybe she was scared. I mean, at that

704
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.079
point had been over a year, Yeah, when the cage

705
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:40.639
was happening.

706
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.159
Yeah, so she and she you know, the stuff in

707
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.599
the cage had the scent of her owners and stuff,

708
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.760
so you'd think that she wouldn't be constantly darting out

709
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.159
of it. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds

710
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.239
like she wanted to be free.

711
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.480
Hmmm. No one quite knows exactly how Valerie survived so

712
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.800
many days in the wild. She was ultimately found about

713
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.199
thirty miles from the campsite she'd left. Okay, maybe by

714
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.400
that point she had lost the scent of her owners.

715
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.519
I mean it's possible.

716
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.920
Karen speculates that she was drinking water from nearby farms,

717
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.239
burrowing in the dirt for shelter, or even eating the

718
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:25.519
carcasses of dead animals. After her capture, Valerie went to

719
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.119
the vet and got a clean bill of health. She'd

720
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.599
even gained some weight. Oh my gosh.

721
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.760
Yeah, see she was having a good time.

722
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.920
Quote, she's got the physique of a little bodybuilder, Karen laughed.

723
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.039
About A month has passed since her big adventure came

724
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.159
to an end, and Valerie has been back home with

725
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.519
Gardner and Fishlock for about two weeks. They say she's

726
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.760
settled right back in, playing with her toys, cuddling in bed,

727
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.760
and going on walks, just like before she went missing.

728
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.199
I mean, I would worry that she has a taste

729
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.400
for blood now, but that's just me.

730
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.840
Yeah, I feel.

731
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:01.960
Like you worry about that more than I do.

732
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:04.760
Usually I don't worry about taste for blood.

733
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.119
Oh wait, No, you're a cat person's You're like, yeah,

734
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.400
they kill kill stuff, do exactly? Yeah? Kill it. Quote,

735
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.719
Oh you're going like this quote, She's come back a

736
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.960
bit more independent. Gardner says, she's still quite attached to us,

737
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:21.880
but she's stronger and more on her own.

738
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:23.679
Yeah.

739
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.639
Karen says. People have asked her why she and her

740
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.360
team put so much effort in time into finding one

741
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.239
tiny dog, But for her, it was simple. Quote if

742
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.079
it was your dog, what would you want someone to do?

743
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.199
Wouldn't you want someone to say, hey, let's do the

744
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.719
best we can. We should all as humans just come

745
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.920
together and make it right, or at least try. She says,

746
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.440
I like this lady, even though you think she's a

747
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:51.599
kidnapper and a monster.

748
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.400
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I I'm on the face

749
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.320
of it, that's very nice, and I think that everyone

750
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.679
should do the best for everything. But that dog just

751
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.400
wanted to be free.

752
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.159
Wow, Okay, fine.

753
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.239
And it was like, you know, when it realized it

754
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.400
was going back to captivity, was like, okay, But she

755
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.800
she wanted to be free. That's why she left. That's

756
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:23.599
why she was just hanging out for almost two years. Yeah.

757
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.440
Wow, okay, I mean I appreciate the hot take.

758
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.199
Thanks.

759
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.880
Gardner and Fishlocks say they've been flooded with messages about Valerie,

760
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:39.280
mostly from Michelle uh angrily writing message after message, Yes,

761
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.159
many from people saying her story gave them hope.

762
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:49.639
Oh that's too bad because this is such an ex

763
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:54.199
this is such an extreme example, and I like, don't

764
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.039
I feel bad for people who like their dog got

765
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.360
away and they're really probably dead, you know, and they're like, oh,

766
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.360
well maybe she's no, they're dead.

767
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:05.960
I mean I wouldn't be I wouldn't be shocked if

768
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.679
she was being taken care of, but we don't know,

769
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.360
you know, by who, or you know whatever.

770
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.800
It's possible. Yeah, Like like.

771
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.559
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody saw a little dog

772
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.440
and they kept laying out food. Maybe they tried to

773
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.320
catch her and that's what made her so uh you

774
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.559
know shy m h. It's yeah, you know, maybe maybe

775
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.559
them trying to catch her just scared the hell out

776
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.880
of her. I don't know. Gardner says she hopes that

777
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.400
that's what people can take away from the saga is hope. Quote.

778
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.719
If a tiny, little four kilo sausage dog can survive

779
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.000
on Kangaroo Island in the Australian bush, then you know,

780
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:48.599
you too can survive whatever it is. You're going through. Aw. Yeah, man,

781
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:52.159
you're mean. These people seem so nice. They haven't even

782
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.760
killed anybody. They haven't even killed anybody with toxic mushrooms

783
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:56.960
like these are great people.

784
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.920
They are. I'm sorry.

785
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.159
I think your apology might be accepted. We'll have to see,

786
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.639
but we're going to take a break, and when we

787
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.360
get back, I want to talk about a story I'm

788
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.840
very excited about involving a ancient grave being unearthed in

789
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:30.639
residential Lima. After this, we have returned with even more

790
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.880
spooky news Shell and this one I got really excited

791
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.639
about when I saw the headline ancient pre Hispanic grave

792
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.159
unearthed under residential Lima. I want to say Lima Street

793
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.159
because Lima, Ohio is near me, which should be pronounced

794
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:53.519
Lima Ohio as well. Yeah, but it's Lima Street. This

795
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.840
is from Reuters and human remains pointing to a one

796
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.760
thousand year old pre Hispanic semetery were unearthed in northern

797
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.880
Lima by workers digging under the Peruvian capital to install

798
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:12.360
a gas pipeline, an archaeologist. Archaeologist told Reuters on Thursday.

799
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.639
The tomb was found on a residential street, just two

800
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.400
meters from the front gate of a house.

801
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.280
Yeah, I don't know how big a meter is six.

802
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.119
Point six feet, I don't I'm not smart. That's in it.

803
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.760
It's next to the two meters. It has the calculation.

804
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.719
I'm not smart. Don't let anybody fall for that thinking

805
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:38.599
I'm smart. Stuff that ain't happening of Jose Pablo aliya Uh,

806
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.679
an archaeologist for Gas Distribution from Kalidida Khalida, said the

807
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.599
remains of a man wrapped in burial cloth alongside pottery

808
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.360
likely pointed to a burial complex after another body was

809
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:56.039
found nearby last month. Wow, ooh, here you can see

810
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:56.599
some of the stuff.

811
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.840
Chell, Hey, there's a skull.

812
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.679
And some pots and bamboo and.

813
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.320
Some stuff next to it that doesn't look like it's old.

814
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.000
I think that's for like size, Yeah, for something for reference,

815
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.159
I guess would be the term. Quote. The material evidence

816
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.159
suggests that it could be a burial of the Shanki

817
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.800
culture from approximately one thousand to twelve hundred years ago,

818
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.679
said Alaga, pointing to a coastal fishing based civilization known

819
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:33.719
for its textiles and ceramics. Quote. We are probably over

820
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.519
a pre Hispanic cemetery, as we found another burial just

821
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.440
around the corner from here, he added, so they're maggoty

822
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:48.840
with burials burial spots. It is common for companies excavating

823
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.760
under Lima to hire archaeologists due to the number of

824
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:56.360
sites scattered in the city. Last month, Kalida Gas workers

825
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:02.119
working in the same district of Puente Perda Pierre Pierre, Ah, Pierra,

826
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.719
I burned my tongue on my tea and now I

827
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:09.760
can't speak Spanish, discovered the remains of a mummified woman,

828
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.840
which researcher researchers estimate are over nine hundred years old.

829
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.159
Wow, it was not that old.

830
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.719
No? No, no, are you just saying that to be

831
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:21.119
a jerk?

832
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:22.440
No?

833
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.599
Are you sure? No? Because I mean you you went

834
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.320
pretty hard against that family getting their dog back at

835
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:32.280
during the last segment.

836
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.159
I mean, I kind of stick by what I said,

837
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.119
but I do think they're nice people. I just I'm

838
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.360
just not sure that dog wanted to live indoors. I

839
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.800
think that dog was happy.

840
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.679
Wow. Yeah, So are you gonna open your front door

841
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:48.760
and just see what gigs does?

842
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.280
No? No, she would die if she went outside because

843
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:54.599
she didn't have her whole face.

844
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:58.719
I thought you were like, no, because she's my property.

845
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.800
I thought you were just gonna like you go all

846
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:09.360
in all that way. I own her. Peru's ten million

847
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.480
strong capital hosts over four hundred archaeological sites dotted around

848
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.320
the city. Wow, ten million people live in Lima. That's incredible.

849
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.360
That's a very I need to know more about Lima, Peru,

850
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.599
because like, I had no idea they had that size

851
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.840
of a population in one city. I mean, that's incredible.

852
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.440
I also, whenever I hear Peru, I think of Silent Night,

853
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.559
Deadly Night three because this girl who's blind, she goes

854
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.000
to this psychotherapist guy and she says, like, we're going

855
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.239
to Piru after I leave here. We're going to see

856
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.840
my grandmother in Piru. And he's like, you're going to

857
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.639
Peru and she's like, no, Piru. It's in the valley

858
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:56.280
where they grow oranges. It's the dumbest exchange. But I

859
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.519
remember it forever because that's pretty much narrows down My

860
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:04.360
entire existence is stuff like that. Whatever is the dumbest exchange,

861
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:12.280
I'll remember forever. Yeah. Anyway, good? Oh no, please please

862
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.199
validate me, please for the God.

863
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.039
That's okay.

864
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:23.960
Finally, Khalida itself has reported over twenty two hundred archaeological

865
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.880
discoveries in the last two decades, most of them traced

866
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.519
back to the chang Ki culture. That's really interesting that

867
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:37.280
that the gas company is hiring archaeologists and finding all

868
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.920
the stuff. It's actually kind of nice.

869
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.079
I mean, it's interesting. I mean, it's not different than

870
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.639
like anywhere else. Like my sister has to go out

871
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.360
when they find like graveyards under things.

872
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.719
Oh no, I agree, it's just like here, it's like

873
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:57.239
obvious that this was a massive hub of of you know,

874
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:03.360
of ancient cultures. So it's just interesting that it's like that,

875
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.400
Like the gas company has made twenty two hundred archaeological

876
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.480
discoveries in two decades, because it's just so thick with

877
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.440
that stuff everywhere. You know, as to where if we

878
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.280
were digging in my area of Ohio and we found

879
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.800
a bunch of skeletons, people will be like, uh what

880
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.760
unless it was near an Indian mound. But that's different.

881
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.039
We do have a bunch of Indian mounds. Yeah, it's

882
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.480
kind of our claim to fame except for the birthplace

883
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.920
of aviation, but whatever. That's my favorite. You can never

884
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.360
win an argument with somebody from Dayton, Ohio about where

885
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.119
you're from. You just can't because like all you have

886
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:43.920
to do is like keep it to your keep the

887
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.480
card close to your chest until they say like, well,

888
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.320
you know we had the you know, the White Sox

889
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.119
went to the whatever, and then you can go, oh, yeah, yeah,

890
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.199
we invented the man's ability to fly.

891
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.599
Yeah, but what about the people what about the people

892
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.199
from like North Carolina who are like, we don't have

893
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:04.599
the first flight and about it.

894
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:09.079
No, No, for their museum, there can't be anything interesting

895
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.159
in that museum because the Right Brothers Museum in Dayton

896
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:11.880
is massive.

897
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:13.280
It's pretty small.

898
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:16.760
Yeah, there you go on that one. Hey, I get it.

899
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.039
They wanted to go where there was the reason they

900
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.480
did it at Kitty Hawk is because they felt bad

901
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.800
for how awful Kitty No. No, the reason they did

902
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.400
at Kitty Hawk this is you brought up like a

903
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.679
blood feud. I know, first in flight?

904
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:32.480
Yeah?

905
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.920
Are their license place a first in flight? Are say

906
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:41.920
birthplace of aviation? So just saying no, uh. The reason

907
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.199
they went to Kitty Hawk is is a beautiful place

908
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.679
and they wanted to do it on sand to have

909
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:51.679
like a softer landing, you know, assuming things don't go

910
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:52.199
so good.

911
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:53.280
That makes sense.

912
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.199
And I'm sure winds too, because being near the ocean,

913
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.000
the winds are really strong. Maybe I don't know.

914
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.840
I don't know if that's a good thing, honestly.

915
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:04.800
Yeah, you're right, kitty hawk, get your shit together.

916
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.360
Uh.

917
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.159
The South American nation is home to hundreds of archaeological sites,

918
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.679
including the Inca Citadel of Machu Picchu. I've heard of

919
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:18.639
Machu Picchu in the Andean region of Cusco and the

920
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.559
ancient Nazca lines carved into the coastal desert of its

921
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:23.760
Eca region.

922
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.639
Oh, I heard those lines.

923
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.000
Those are nice. Yeah, I've heard Peru, and I think

924
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.840
Chile have like an insane amount of ancient cultures like

925
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:38.719
all over the place. So yeah, I mean Chile technically

926
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.960
the birthplace, birthplace of Chili power peppers, that's where the

927
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.119
name comes from.

928
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.159
I mean I think I think that that's more impressive

929
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.880
than the birthplace of aviation. Personally.

930
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.639
No, I agree. No, I was talking about the States,

931
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:56.760
talking about countries, because then you can be like, I'm

932
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:00.559
from Italy, I'm going to claim democracy. Get out of

933
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.360
here with your roaman stuff. No. But uh, no, that's well.

934
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.719
And I'm pretty sure Chile is where the first potatoes

935
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.400
came from too whoa. So yeah, if if people didn't

936
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:18.360
know potatoes, tobacco, all chili peppers came from Central America

937
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.079
originally and South America originally.

938
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:22.679
I believe that.

939
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.960
It blew my mind. Some people in Asia refused. They're like, no,

940
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:30.079
we had them, you know you didn't. Yeah, and it's

941
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.599
like you were the biggest trade route in the world

942
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.239
was going to the Indies and stuff like, yeah, you

943
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.039
did not have them before. They're like, well, what if

944
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.039
a bird ate a chili pepper and then flew across

945
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.199
the ocean and then pooped over here. It's like, dude,

946
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:47.679
stop coping. It's okay, Okay, it's okay. The Irish pretend

947
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.840
like they've always had potatoes. It's fine, Yeah, it's fine.

948
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:52.079
Yeah.

949
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.519
Chile is not like goddamn Sony saying like, oh, we

950
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:56.880
have a patent now, so you gotta time you eat

951
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.719
a potato, you gotta pay us a little something. With

952
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.920
that said, we're gonna take a break and when we

953
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.920
get back, we're going to talk about a very aggressive

954
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:24.159
animal that put two people in the er. Right after this, Michelle,

955
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.960
what level of fear do you have of wild animals?

956
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:32.159
I mean, It depends on the wild animal. It depends

957
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:32.599
on that.

958
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:37.639
Yeah, but I mean as a general threat wild animals,

959
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:39.039
I don't know.

960
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:44.199
It depends and what if they're dangerous or not. Like

961
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:49.159
I'm not afraid of like the salamanders that are living

962
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:53.559
in my mom's house, but I am afraid of bears.

963
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.599
All bears, yes, all of them.

964
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.039
I mean if if the black fight back, if they're brown,

965
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.239
lay down, if they're grizzly, I don't know what the

966
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:08.199
I think you just die?

967
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:08.800
Yeah?

968
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:16.239
Yeah, well, hmm. If I told you that a very

969
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.880
aggressive wild animal sent two people, at least two people

970
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.559
to the emergency room, what animal would you think that was.

971
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:25.719
I think it's a deer.

972
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:31.400
Yeah, yeah, How how did you know that?

973
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:33.960
Because I just tried to think of the one that,

974
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.280
like normally.

975
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.000
Wouldn't I'm faking you out. Actually it's a squirrel.

976
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:43.719
Oh no, yeah.

977
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:48.280
Huffington Post has an article with the headline aggressive squirrel

978
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.719
sends at least two people to er in California city.

979
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:52.639
Wow.

980
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.800
San Francisco. Residents of San Francisco Bay Area city are

981
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.480
on the lookout for an aggressive squirrel that sent at

982
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.519
least two people to the hospital for medical treatment.

983
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:07.039
Did havebes.

984
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.920
I think it's just really mean. I'm looking. We're gonna

985
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.199
find out together, you and me if this is a

986
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:18.679
team effort. Okay, but this is why I asked, like,

987
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.280
what is you know? How afraid are you of the

988
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.320
general concept of wild animals? Okay, Like, I'm moderately afraid

989
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:31.280
of the general concept of wild animals because that includes

990
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.039
like how startled would I be if a full sized

991
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.280
deer was just on my lawn. I'd be a little

992
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.280
concerned if it was like like because I'd be like,

993
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:40.400
why isn't it staying away?

994
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:43.000
Oh? I wouldn't be concerned at all.

995
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.039
Oh. I mean if it was passing by, I wouldn't be.

996
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:46.840
But if it was just like standing in my yard

997
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.679
not going anywhere, I'd be like, what is wrong with

998
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:50.159
this deer?

999
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.880
Yeah? I would Is it angry? They're just hanging out?

1000
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.599
I have the cutest family of possums in my in

1001
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.440
my my front yard, backyard somewhere.

1002
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:00.800
Yeah.

1003
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.440
I keep seeing them on my ring camera going around places,

1004
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.880
and every now and then the mom will be waddling

1005
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.000
around and you can see a baby on its back. Ah.

1006
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:12.320
I like possums. They eat bugs. Yeah, I say, let's

1007
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.960
have all the possums. All possums, no gophers. That's what

1008
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.559
I want in life. Okay, But one year, do you remember,

1009
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:22.079
years and years ago, we had like these crazy aggressive squirrels.

1010
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.320
They were chewing through our dumpsters or trash cans and stuff,

1011
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:32.039
and they chewed up my Halloween jackal landerns. I haven't

1012
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:33.840
had that problem very much, but I'm gonna give a

1013
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.280
pro tip out there for every weekly Spooky listener. You've

1014
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.599
earned this. When I had giant chunks ripped from my pumpkins,

1015
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.480
and like trigger treat was the next day, I ran

1016
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.199
out to the store and I bought a bottle of

1017
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:49.480
temper paint and I just squirted it generously on all

1018
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.480
of the cuts, and it made the pumpkin look like

1019
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.519
it had wounds all over it that were like seeping blood.

1020
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.719
That's really cool.

1021
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.079
It honestly was possibly my favorite jackal headerds ever because

1022
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.480
they just looked all they just looked like they had

1023
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:03.960
been ripped apart and were bleeding. It was really creepy

1024
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.719
and fun. So thank you for that, squirrels. But let's

1025
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:11.159
talk about a scary squirrel. Joan he Black told ABC

1026
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.199
affiliate KGOTV that she was walking in the Lucas Valley

1027
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.079
neighborhood of San Rafael when a squirrel seemingly came out

1028
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:24.239
of nowhere and attacked her leg, clawing and biting. Oh

1029
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.800
no quote, it clamped onto my leg. The tail was

1030
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.400
flying up here. I was like, get it off me,

1031
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:35.599
get it off me. He Black said, that's we're laughing,

1032
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.559
I think, because that's what I would be yelling. If

1033
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.679
a squirrel just latched onto my leg, I'd probably be

1034
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.480
helling get it off me to nobody in particular.

1035
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.239
No, see, like, I'm not laughing because of that. I'm

1036
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.760
laughing because I wouldn't recount that. I wouldn't be like

1037
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.920
And then I was like yelling like get it off,

1038
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:51.639
because come on, you would just.

1039
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.360
Keep that to yourself. You want some people to know that.

1040
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.000
So then I just stood there like a freaking alpha

1041
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.480
chad and just let it noaw on my leg like whatever,

1042
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.400
little bro, Now's not the time.

1043
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.639
I just think that, like it's kind of a given

1044
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.960
that you're freaking out, Like you don't have to tell

1045
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.760
me that. You're saying, give it off me, getting it

1046
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:07.079
off me?

1047
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:11.800
I get it Isabelle Campoi also said she was attacked

1048
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.880
while walking in the same area. The squirrel launched itself

1049
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.599
from the ground to her face and wound up on

1050
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:23.119
her arm, leaving it bloody. She said, wow, whoa both

1051
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.559
of the this squirrel might be a misogynist. It attacked.

1052
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.679
Both of these women were women, It says here both

1053
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.719
women went to the emergency room. Flyers have now been

1054
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.920
posted warning residents that the squirrel is no joke and

1055
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.360
that more than five people have been attacked by a

1056
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:43.559
quote very mean squirrel. That quote comes out of nowhere. Wow.

1057
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.440
Oh man, So I'm going to show you Chell. This

1058
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.360
is an image of the arm injury. That's pretty bad,

1059
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.639
like her arm is ripped up. Yeah, that's the squirrel attack. Squirrel. Beware,

1060
01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:58.400
this is not a joke. More than five people have

1061
01:00:58.400 --> 01:00:59.639
been attacked. But it has like a shot of a

1062
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:01.880
squirrel flying through the air, So it's like funny. I'm

1063
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.280
sure you'd laugh, but I like that it says like, no,

1064
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.840
but really, there's been a squirrel attacking people. Be careful.

1065
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.079
Honestly, if I saw that, I would think it was

1066
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:09.480
a joke.

1067
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.079
Yeah, but that's because you live near Philly. People do

1068
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.519
stuff like that in Philly. Yeah, I miss Philly. I

1069
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:25.880
need to come and visit. Oh gosh. Vanessa Potter of Wildcare,

1070
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.039
a wildlife rescue organization in San Rafael, told KGO TV

1071
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.280
that the aggressive behavior likely comes from the squirrel being

1072
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:36.280
fed and cared for by humans when it was a baby.

1073
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.719
Oh wow, So it's an ingrate, is what you're saying.

1074
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:43.800
I thought they were nicer when they were hand fed

1075
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:44.440
as babies.

1076
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:48.320
No, because it actually hated those people when they were

1077
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.760
meaned it even.

1078
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.880
Assume all animals hate their owners.

1079
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.719
Well, because the squirrel is attacking people, I don't know.

1080
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.480
I mean, the dog before wasn't attacking people, and you

1081
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.440
still assumed it hated its owners.

1082
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.440
Did not hate, just didn't want to be around them anymore,

1083
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:07.159
and'd be free.

1084
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:13.760
Oh my god. Okachell, Okay, she said squirrels are not

1085
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.639
vectors for rabies. Oh that's helpful.

1086
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:17.519
I didn't know that.

1087
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.719
I guess. Yeah, experts say the public should not feed

1088
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.639
wild animals. I don't think. I think.

1089
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:26.639
Mmm.

1090
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.079
I mean I think that she's probably right that it

1091
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.119
probably I don't think the way it read what it

1092
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:34.920
said being fed and cared for by humans when it

1093
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.400
was a baby, I think she meant when it was

1094
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.719
an adolescent. Maybe it just was constantly being fed, so

1095
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.159
it it no longer fears humans, and it wants and

1096
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.400
it demands things from them. I guess you know, it

1097
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.480
gets aggressive with them. If it was a baby being

1098
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.119
bottle fed by a human, I feel like it would

1099
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.280
be super nice. Yeah, that's usually how, especially mammals, but

1100
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.920
even birds, like if they're if they're if they're hand

1101
01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:01.199
fed when they're little babies, they're just super nice. Not

1102
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.079
all birds, some birds are still birds. Have you you're

1103
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.159
not a rat person or a mouse person? Right?

1104
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.800
No? I mean no, I've never Wait, did you ask

1105
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:13.960
if i'd ever held a rat?

1106
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.039
Yeah? Yeah, do you like it? Did you like it?

1107
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.079
It was fine? Yeah. I had a friend growing up

1108
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:21.719
who had some rats.

1109
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:25.519
Whoa bragging right there, throwing your weight around. I had

1110
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.599
a friend growing up.

1111
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:30.800
Yeah weird, right, Yeah, sorry, it's okay. She moved away.

1112
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.000
Oh thank god, that's the worst.

1113
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:34.559
Yeah.

1114
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.079
I feel like we all have at least that one

1115
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:41.800
friend that moved away. But uh, I've noticed with rats

1116
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.840
that if you raise them from babies, you know, feeding

1117
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:51.480
them and stuff, they are insanely, insanely friendly and cuddly

1118
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:53.920
as to where if you get them from a pet store.

1119
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.599
That doesn't mean they won't be it's just a little

1120
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:57.039
bit more of a roll of the dice about how

1121
01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.360
friendly they'll be, because they'll warm up to you. They're

1122
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.239
a mammal, they'll warm up to you. They'll be cool.

1123
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.280
But like if you raised it from a little bean

1124
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:07.559
and fed it and took care of it with it,

1125
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:09.519
you know, it'll just really love you.

1126
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.119
Yeah, sometimes you have to be careful with that though,

1127
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.480
because I don't remember. I think it's like pigeons and

1128
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:20.519
stuff you don't want to like sometimes the animals then

1129
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.360
think that they're a person and then they like start

1130
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.880
like wanting you to be their mate and all.

1131
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.039
The stuff, and then you end up with a monkey

1132
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:30.119
that rips your face off.

1133
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.639
Yeah, I mean I was talking about pigeons.

1134
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.559
But yeah, okay, fair enough. You should really watch that

1135
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.719
documentary on the Crazy shimp owners.

1136
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:39.760
Though, no, that's okay.

1137
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.760
The city manager's office did not immediately return a phone

1138
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:46.159
call seeking comment. San Rafael is in Marin County, about

1139
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:51.199
twenty miles north of San Francisco. So as if people

1140
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.880
near San Francisco didn't have enough to worry about, now,

1141
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.519
it's like, great, my bicycle stolen and I got bit

1142
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:01.719
in the face by a goddamn squirrel. Yeah, well, when

1143
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.000
we get back, we're going to talk about some UFO

1144
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:09.400
hunters planning a bizarre event in Scotland. Right after this,

1145
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.480
we're back and now we're heading over, well, heading back

1146
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.400
to Scotland, because Scotland's got a lot of weird stuff

1147
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.679
going on a lot of the time. Gotta admit. This

1148
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.599
article is from the Scottish Sun dot co dot UK.

1149
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.559
The headline is out of this world UFO hunters planned

1150
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:43.079
bizarre event to summon alien spaceships to Scotland. So apparently

1151
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:47.119
this is a I was skimming this and it's pretty weird.

1152
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:49.440
I don't think it's that weird.

1153
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:53.199
Well, the article starts with the Bonker's plan. We'll see

1154
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.039
a team of paranormal investigators descend on the site of

1155
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:02.079
Scotland's most famous UFO incident later this month. They will

1156
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:06.599
try to make peaceful contact with extraterrestrials by using a

1157
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.400
specialist technique developed by a famed US ufologist. The approach

1158
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:18.199
involves meditate. The approach involves by meditating nice, nice Scottish

1159
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.199
son that you guys invented English, do better with it.

1160
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:25.360
The approach involves meditating in a field and playing sci

1161
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:31.559
fi sound effects. This article is a little hateful. Yeah,

1162
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.920
I'm used to the Mirror dot co dot uk saying like,

1163
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:37.800
you know, like selling things like the terrifying plan involves

1164
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.039
dressing like a French maid in a devious attempt to

1165
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:43.480
stop the you know, like it's like they always sell

1166
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:50.119
things hard. Malcolm Robinson, a Strange Phenomena of Strange Phenomena Investigations,

1167
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.719
has high hopes the plan could work after participants saw

1168
01:06:53.800 --> 01:07:00.760
flashing lights during a trial run. Oh apparently they all

1169
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:07.000
tried meditating and saw flashing lights in the sky. Yeah, sure,

1170
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.599
he said. Quote we are trying to bring any off

1171
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.119
world craft into our airspace. There is a desire to

1172
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.000
bring forward these objects which people claim are to be

1173
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:23.360
UFOs or UAPs UAPs. I hate that. Come on, why

1174
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:24.480
because it's UFO.

1175
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.719
You don't like unidentified aerial phenomena?

1176
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.039
No, I don't. Fine, it's a flying object and it's

1177
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:33.480
not identified.

1178
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:39.079
Okay, something it is not an object though sometimes it's

1179
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.480
just a light or we don't know what it is.

1180
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:44.519
So that's why we don't say object.

1181
01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:48.199
Okay, I'm still going to do it.

1182
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:49.159
Okay.

1183
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:53.840
The meditation will send out a desire for open contact. Quote.

1184
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.480
Oh sorry, the quote's still going. In the background. We

1185
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.480
play these special sound effects which helped enhance the mood

1186
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:03.599
but also the meditative process. It all sounds very airy fairy.

1187
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.480
I get that, But this has been tried successfully all

1188
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:10.000
over the world. Has it been tried successfully all over

1189
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.239
the world? Where are all the major UFO encounters? Then?

1190
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:19.000
I just saw on a show someone meditating to get

1191
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.319
a UFO to come, Yeah, and it did.

1192
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:26.439
I guess you did air quotes? What do you mean

1193
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:27.000
by it did?

1194
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.840
It was on TV, so I don't know if it's real.

1195
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.800
It was just on a like you know, one of

1196
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.760
those shows where they look for things like that.

1197
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.359
I mean, in general, in my experience, if it's on TV,

1198
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:41.039
it's not real. Yeah, like if it was. It's a

1199
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.560
little different nowadays with like camera phones, but I used

1200
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:45.199
to always say, like, if it's on camera, it's almost

1201
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:49.560
certainly not real. Which this is a terrible aside, but

1202
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:51.720
it just made me think of it. Were you a

1203
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.960
mad TV kid? I was a mad TV kid. Oh

1204
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:56.079
my gosh. They were so great. They were so subversive.

1205
01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:59.199
They really spoke to me as like a teenager. I

1206
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:00.840
just thought it was really funny. But they did a

1207
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.239
thing about releasing, you know, the Subruder film of Kennedy

1208
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:09.840
getting shot. They did a video talking about how they

1209
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:14.079
were releasing a collection of all of the unreleased Subruder films,

1210
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.640
all the unreleased Subruterer home movies, because obviously Subruder was

1211
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.960
really into shooting home movies. That's why he was filming

1212
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:23.000
at the parade that day. And they start showing like,

1213
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:26.079
first we'll show Lisa's birthday party, and it's like it's

1214
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.359
on eight millimeter film and everybody's looking all happy and

1215
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.279
the girls like clapping, and then the dad brings out

1216
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.399
the birthday cake with lit candles, and then the side

1217
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.199
of his head just blows out and he falls down

1218
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.560
and everybody runs and covers him in the camera, and

1219
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.159
they basically do like a picnic, and somebody gets shot

1220
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.359
and everybody runs and covers again. All of them are

1221
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:41.720
the same.

1222
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:42.760
Wow.

1223
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.199
I'm sorry, but I remember that and it killed me.

1224
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.520
I thought it was so funny. So I'm a bad person,

1225
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:57.199
I guess, yeah, for liking mad TV. So it involves

1226
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:02.800
sound effects too. Oh, it a name the CE five method,

1227
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.039
known as the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Protocol

1228
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:11.199
oh Okay was developed by doctor Stephen Greer, founder of

1229
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:14.880
the Center for Study of the extra of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

1230
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:18.880
The alien enthusiasts will attempt to communicate using telepathy and

1231
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:23.279
guided meditations, which followers believe will help guide UFOs to

1232
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:29.640
the spot at the Decmont Woods near Livingston later this month. Yeah,

1233
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.319
So I just want to say, I think I've used

1234
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.680
this example before, but one of my favorite things to

1235
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:38.199
point out is like when you start combining multiple things

1236
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.640
like meditation, astral projection, and telepathy, you start saying like

1237
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.640
we're gonna use those to catch aliens. It's like saying

1238
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.039
like I'm gonna catch a lockedest monster because if I'm

1239
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.800
riding on the back of a unicorn, there's no way

1240
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.520
it can it could escape me. You know, Like, Yeah,

1241
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.960
you're using things that are also unproven to prove something

1242
01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:57.720
that's unproven.

1243
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:02.159
Yeah, but then maybe that makes sense because it's all

1244
01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:04.279
in the same gray area and maybe it's all real.

1245
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:06.560
I mean, it would be cool if it worked, because

1246
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:07.840
it would prove a lot all at once.

1247
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.119
Yeah, Actually, it wouldn't prove anything that's true because the

1248
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.680
aliens could have just been there, or they could have

1249
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.159
heard the music and been like, what's that so like?

1250
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:20.039
Basically proves nothing.

1251
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:22.760
Plus, as in the words of Sarah Connor in an

1252
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:26.640
Insane World, it was. It was the most sane solution.

1253
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:28.880
Yeah.

1254
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:31.680
The site is famous for a nineteen seventy nine incident

1255
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.439
during which forestry worker Bob Taylor reportedly had an encounter

1256
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:40.239
with a spacecraft. He reputedly saw mysterious dome shaped objects

1257
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:44.279
landing in a clearing. According to the teetotal church goer,

1258
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:48.920
metal spikes then dropped down and attached themselves to his trousers.

1259
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:50.520
Oh this is.

1260
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:55.600
Getting sexy quick. He later woke in a disheveled state

1261
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.199
before going to the cops. Baffled, investigators were unable to

1262
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.880
establish what caused unusual marks seen on the ground, but

1263
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.840
detectives bagged up Bob's torn trousers as they probed whether

1264
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.600
he had been assaulted. The respected war hero continued to

1265
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:14.279
maintain he had been attacked by a quote spaceship thing

1266
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.119
until his death at age eighty eight in two thousand

1267
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:21.000
and seven. Mister Robinson Hope's investigators will be able to

1268
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:23.800
try to attract aliens back to the site with their

1269
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:25.680
meditation later this month.

1270
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.239
Whoa we well, hold on for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1271
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.960
So we're using this location because there was another UFO

1272
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.399
sighting that was literally a guy getting assaulted. That's terrible,

1273
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.319
it's a terrible idea. Don't do that. We don't want it.

1274
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:43.000
That's not the kind of alien that you.

1275
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.560
Want, right, What kind of alien do you want?

1276
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:50.479
I didn't think it was one that like assaulted people.

1277
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:51.159
I don't know.

1278
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:55.039
Maybe this is what they want. Maybe I am just

1279
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:57.279
totally confused.

1280
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.239
Did you think for a second, maybe the alien or

1281
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.840
aliens we're just having a really bad day that one time.

1282
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.479
I mean, I get it, things happen when you're having

1283
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:12.680
a bad day and you're an alien, but it's not nice,

1284
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.359
and I wouldn't want to try again and find out.

1285
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.960
Well, like we just read that story. Are you now

1286
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.960
afraid of squirrels in general? Because of that story of

1287
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:24.439
one squirrel being awful?

1288
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:27.520
It's not the same thing?

1289
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.600
How how is it? I feel like it's literally the

1290
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:31.119
same thing.

1291
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:35.399
So, like, so there's a squirrel that's real bad, right, Right,

1292
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:37.600
there are a lot of attacks, So do you decide

1293
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.760
to go to the area of the attacks to communicate

1294
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:42.119
with squirrels.

1295
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.000
Like, well, it's San Francisco area. It's it's so San Rafael,

1296
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:48.800
so it's kind of a nice area. So maybe the

1297
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:49.680
weather's always nice.

1298
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.239
No, I mean, but just to communicate with the squirrels,

1299
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.000
like you're like, I think a really good place is

1300
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.720
where the squirrel attacks happened. Seems like a bad idea.

1301
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:02.119
Okay, No, I could see that, but I think maybe

1302
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:03.840
you just don't have enough sense of adventure.

1303
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:08.960
Yeah. No, maybe they're into things that I'm just not into.

1304
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:09.880
It's possible.

1305
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.520
A trial run has already taken place on the outskirts

1306
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.560
of bonnie Bridge near Falkirk, which is considered one of

1307
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:22.079
the UFO the world's UFO capitals. Mister Robinson said quote,

1308
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.359
some people did see some bright flashes in the sky.

1309
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.279
They came from various parts of the sky. We don't

1310
01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:30.000
know what that was. It could have been anything. But

1311
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.479
the only reason I'm not singing and dancing about it

1312
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.880
is there may have been a natural explanation. We previously

1313
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:40.880
told investigators, or we previously told how investigators have demanded

1314
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.359
a public inquiry in Scotland into the existence of UFOs.

1315
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.720
The alien enthusiasts believe any evidence of sightings should be

1316
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:53.159
made public and heard in front of a parliamentary committee.

1317
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.680
It's a cover up. They're covering up their haunted roads

1318
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.840
and they're covering up the UFOs.

1319
01:14:59.359 --> 01:14:59.880
Yeah.

1320
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.960
But speaking of cover ups, we're gonna talk about some

1321
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:11.439
uncovered mummies found in China and Southeast Asia right after this.

1322
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:24.880
All right, So, cell it looks like, well, first of all,

1323
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.800
when it comes to movie monsters, what's the one you

1324
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:32.920
find scariest? Like Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein, the Mummy, the

1325
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:34.560
Invisible Man? What is it?

1326
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.159
I didn't know I found once? I don't really find them?

1327
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.960
Oh my, Why are you always such an absolute chat

1328
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.840
about everything? You're just like, I'm not even scared of nothing.

1329
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:50.960
Yeah, that's you don't know. How about some sort of vampire.

1330
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:56.279
Saying okay, vampire thing? Okay, jeez, okay, fine. Well, this

1331
01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:58.920
is a true story about mummies, but they're a little

1332
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:04.319
bit different. This is from LiveScience dot com. World's oldest

1333
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:08.840
mummies were smoke dried ten thousand years ago in China

1334
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:12.199
and Southeast Asia. Researchers find that's.

1335
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.399
Such a good idea.

1336
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.039
What makes you say that?

1337
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:19.239
Well, I mean, that's a good way to dry them like,

1338
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:20.359
smoke them like that.

1339
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:28.880
Seem just a sound. I'm very worried about you. We're

1340
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:34.359
all very worried about you. Cell Oh, I'm just saying

1341
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:37.840
I feel like they used to just let them dry

1342
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:40.000
on their own. They didn't smoke them.

1343
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:42.079
But the thing is, if you don't let them dry

1344
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.239
on their own, it might not work, you know, like

1345
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:48.079
they might just rot instead of drying. You'd have to

1346
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:51.319
do like a good special process so that they dry

1347
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:55.039
out correctly. I just think smoking is a good idea.

1348
01:16:56.840 --> 01:17:00.159
Good to know the world's oldest known human mummies were

1349
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:04.159
created by smoke drying corpses ten thousand years ago in

1350
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:09.000
Southeast as Asia and China, long before mummification became commonplace

1351
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.439
in Chile and Egypt. Oh wow, I didn't know Chile

1352
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:15.720
even has mummies. I told you. Isn't that crazy?

1353
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:16.720
Yeah.

1354
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.000
A study of dozens of ancient graves found in China,

1355
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:24.600
the Philippines, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia revealed that many

1356
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:27.960
skeletons that were found in a tight fetal possession position

1357
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:32.039
were treated by an extended period of smoke drying over

1358
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:34.079
fire before being buried.

1359
01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:37.760
What I said, Wow.

1360
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.239
You like the weirdest things.

1361
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:41.880
It's just so interesting.

1362
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:50.760
Quote excuse me sorry. Quote. Smoking likely carried spiritual, religious,

1363
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:55.079
or cultural meanings that went far beyond simply slowing decay.

1364
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:59.560
I don't know how to say that name. It's sh

1365
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:05.640
Io Shao chun Hung. That might be right, actually, Chao

1366
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:09.760
Chun Hung, a senior research fellow at the Australian National

1367
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.079
University and lead author of the study, told Live Science

1368
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:18.199
in an email. The researchers have been puzzled by the

1369
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.359
high number of burials in China and Southeast Asia for

1370
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.439
from four thousand to twelve thousand years ago, in which

1371
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:29.079
skeletons were hyper flexed or contorted in an unnaturally tight

1372
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:33.399
crouched position. That is kind of weird. Do you want

1373
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:35.920
to see a picture? Sure of course you do. You're like, yes,

1374
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:39.000
show me the death, Show me the death. So that's

1375
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.680
one of the smokes skeletons. He isn't like a really

1376
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:43.720
weird crouched.

1377
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.439
Position, really weird position. Yeah.

1378
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:50.520
Yeah, that's super super strange. I mean as strange as

1379
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:58.159
you know, smoke drying corpses. Ugh, oh god, there's more

1380
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.880
or contorted. A similar skeleton found in Portugal in twenty

1381
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.720
twenty two was interpreted as evidence of mummification because it

1382
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:09.720
was hyperflexed.

1383
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:10.399
Hm.

1384
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:14.000
Okay, so my people got in on it. That's fine.

1385
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.560
Likely bound up so the arms and legs could be

1386
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.039
moved beyond their natural limits as the body decomposed.

1387
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:22.000
Gross.

1388
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:26.079
Yeah. But in many of the ancient Southeast Asian burials,

1389
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.079
the researchers found there was evidence of burning on the

1390
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:33.560
skeletons and not in the graves, which suggested some sort

1391
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:37.479
of ritual treatment of the body that included fire and smoke.

1392
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:42.000
The researchers used X ray diffraction and non destructive technique

1393
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.600
that allows scientists to investigate the internal microstructure of a material,

1394
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:50.279
and infrared spectroscopist almost said everything without fucking up spectroscopy

1395
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.279
to assess whether the bones had been exposed to heat.

1396
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.600
Many of the skeletons revealed evidence of low intensity heating

1397
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:02.199
and discoloration from soot, rather than evidence of direct combustion

1398
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:03.279
such as cremation.

1399
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:05.640
Huh, it's so cool that we know that.

1400
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:09.560
And you're so happy about it. That's the best part.

1401
01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.680
This suggests that a specialized mortuary practice involving the smoking

1402
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.800
of a corpse was likely practiced widely in pre farming

1403
01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:20.640
communities across southern China and Southeast Asia. I think what's

1404
01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.479
really interesting is that apparently there's no record of that too, Like,

1405
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.479
it's just it's amazing how things can just be completely forgotten.

1406
01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:31.600
Yeah yeah, but here here's a smoked corpse for hl.

1407
01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:36.520
That that's fine. Oh okay, he's really blackened. That's definitely

1408
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:37.279
Cajun style.

1409
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:42.319
Yeah yeah, oh wait what smoke?

1410
01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:45.359
Dried mummies are still being made today in parts of

1411
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:47.840
Southeast Asia, according to the researchers.

1412
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:50.359
Okay, so they do still do it.

1413
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.960
They traveled to Papau A province in Indonesia in twenty

1414
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:59.159
nineteen and observed the Dani and Pumo people creating mummies

1415
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:03.359
of their deceased ancestors by tightly binding the corpses, setting

1416
01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:06.279
them over a fire, and smoking them until they turned

1417
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:13.319
entirely black or as I would say, Cajun style. Drawing

1418
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:17.159
on these examples, the researchers concluded that ancient individuals were

1419
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:20.680
tightly bound after death and smoked for long periods over

1420
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.520
low temperature fires. It literally sounds like making like smoked sausage.

1421
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:27.960
Yeah yeah.

1422
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.600
Although the deceased individuals, the researchers investigated in their study

1423
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.319
are only bones with no skin, soft tissue, or hair preserved.

1424
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:38.279
They consider the remains to be mummies because they were

1425
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.800
deliberately mummified through smoke drying.

1426
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:44.039
Yeah, and I guess in that case, depending on how

1427
01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:46.199
they're buried, it's still not going to last up or

1428
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.199
not last forever their flesh and things.

1429
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:50.239
Nothing lasts forever.

1430
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:52.840
Yeah, it does.

1431
01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:55.800
A friend of mine said something like that, made a

1432
01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:58.199
big long post and said like, just remember, nothing last forever.

1433
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:03.720
And I replied, tell that to gravity, ha I win. Quote.

1434
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:07.479
The key difference from the mummies we typically imagine is

1435
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.760
that these ancient smoked bodies were not sealed in containers

1436
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:14.600
after the process, and therefore their preservation generally lasted only

1437
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.960
a few decades to a few hundred years. Hung said,

1438
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:22.880
only a few hundred years, punks. In the hot and

1439
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.840
humid climate of Southeast Asia, smoking was likely the most

1440
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:32.600
effective way of preserving the bodies. That makes sense. Yeah,

1441
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.760
But how these ancient hunter gatherers discovered that smoking a

1442
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.680
human body could preserve it quote remains a fascinating and

1443
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:44.640
thought provoking mystery. Hung said, and quote, we cannot say

1444
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:47.560
with certainty whether smoking the body was first conceived as

1445
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:51.800
a way to preserve it. We're making some real cannibalism

1446
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:53.920
inferences here.

1447
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:58.079
Well, I mean how they discovered it. I would think

1448
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.680
it would be like a food thing, you know, and

1449
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.079
then they'd be like, oh, we could do this with bodies,

1450
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:04.800
and then they'd be like, oh, they taste pretty good,

1451
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:06.520
and then they'd be like, we'd also bury them.

1452
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:10.239
Though, this is where it gets into pure cope. It's

1453
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:14.359
possible that ancient people discovered smoking accidentally as a byproduct

1454
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.359
of some kind of ritual practice, or that they discovered

1455
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:21.319
smoking animal meat first then applied it to dead humans.

1456
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:26.079
That's just what I say, wink wink quote. What is

1457
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.399
clear is that the practice prolonged the visible presence of

1458
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.479
the deceased, allowing ancestors to remain among the living in

1459
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:36.600
a tangible way, a poignant reflection of enduring human love, memory,

1460
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:42.359
and devotion. Also delicious Hung said, I might have added

1461
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.760
one of those things in there. So there you go.

1462
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:50.560
Michelle likes her corpse's mesquite And we're going to take

1463
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:53.079
a quick break with a little bit more spooky news

1464
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:56.119
before we get to our big topic right after this.

1465
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:05.760
All right, we're back, and this is a story from

1466
01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:09.479
the Associated Press. I always find these stories really creepy

1467
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:14.399
and fun. I don't know. A Bangkok road collapse creates

1468
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:19.680
a sinkhole, disrupting traffic and prompting evacuations. I find sinkholes

1469
01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:20.479
really scary.

1470
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:22.600
Sinkholes are kind of scary. Yeah.

1471
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.560
Oh yeah, you're finally afraid of something. Huh.

1472
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:28.479
Yeah, I'm scared of sinkholes. There's ale in my neighborhood.

1473
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:31.119
Did I know about this?

1474
01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:34.159
I feel like I told you. I thought I told everyone.

1475
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.319
No you did because I made a joke about going

1476
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:36.680
to hell.

1477
01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.199
Oh, I don't even I don't remember.

1478
01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:41.079
Which is pretty much what I always say about a sinkhole.

1479
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.479
But I'll tell you something right now, Shelley, You're about

1480
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.640
to be jealous, because this sinkhole is massive.

1481
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:46.920
Wow.

1482
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:50.399
Yeah, that's like there's a pickup truck in the middle

1483
01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:52.319
of it, and it looks like there's barely like it's

1484
01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:53.319
teeny tiny.

1485
01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:56.840
Yeah you can tell. I mean by the way that

1486
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.479
the construction around it and stuff. This is a person

1487
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:04.399
fuck up, like because somebody fucked up and put stuff

1488
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:05.880
in there they shouldn't put in there.

1489
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:09.520
Oh, like like jello packets or something.

1490
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.319
Well, I mean it could have been like where you

1491
01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:14.560
grew up, where they just threw remnants of carpet and

1492
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.920
tree trunks and everything they could find, and then it

1493
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:24.319
became a sinkhole. Multiple sinkholes everywhere show off.

1494
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:28.039
A part of a road in Bangkok collapsed Wednesday, leaving

1495
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:32.199
a large sinkhole that disrupted traffic, damaged infrastructure, and prompted

1496
01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:35.880
evacuations in the surrounding area. There were no casualties, but

1497
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.000
three vehicles were damaged by the collapse in Thailand's capital, Bangkok,

1498
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:47.239
City Governor Chadhart City Punt said, adding that officials believe

1499
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.520
the collapse was caused by construction work at an underground

1500
01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:53.520
train station. M M, that's less fun.

1501
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:56.560
But okay, yeah, it's barely a sinkhole. Then if it's

1502
01:25:56.640 --> 01:25:57.840
just they fucked.

1503
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:03.840
Up something, Wow, you're ag grow today. Shell. People love

1504
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:07.479
spicy Michelle. They always comment when you're angry that they

1505
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:11.439
love it. So I'm just saying. Videos of the collapse

1506
01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:14.279
showed the face of the road slowly sinking, pulling down

1507
01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:18.279
several electricity poles and damaging water pipes. Cars tried to

1508
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:21.560
back away as the hole grew larger and completely severed

1509
01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.600
the four lane road. One edge of the hole stopped

1510
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:27.920
in front of a police station, exposing it its underground structure.

1511
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:31.439
People were evacuated from the police station and other buildings.

1512
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.600
The nearby hospitals said it would close the outpatient's services

1513
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:37.920
for two days, although Bangkok City officials said the hospital

1514
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:42.439
structure was not affected. Officials cut electricity and water in

1515
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:45.840
the area as a precaution. Chad Chart said crews were

1516
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:48.640
working to fix the hole as quickly as possible, fearing

1517
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.119
heavy rain could cause further damage. Bangkok is experiencing its

1518
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:58.279
rainy season, which typically extends from May through October. Damn

1519
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.159
not a great I'm to be in Bangkok. I don't think. No.

1520
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:05.880
So well, we have another short one that I wanted

1521
01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:10.399
to talk about from the Huffington Post. Wow, talking about

1522
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:14.279
the fear of wild animals. I think this is actually

1523
01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:18.479
pretty prudent. Yeah, have you ever have you ever been

1524
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.880
as a homeowner or or just as an adult, have

1525
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:29.920
you ever been ding dong ditched? It's a lot of thought.

1526
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:34.119
Okay, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't I don't

1527
01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:34.439
think so.

1528
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.239
Would it creep you out if somebody rang your doorbell

1529
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:41.199
at like one in the morning and then there was

1530
01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:41.880
nobody there.

1531
01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.239
It would definitely creep me out if somebody rang my

1532
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:46.720
doorbell at one in the morning, regardless.

1533
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:48.159
So yeah, would you go down and answer it?

1534
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:53.680
I answered once at like twelve, maybe a little bit

1535
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.600
earlier than that. It was my neighbor and they had

1536
01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:58.000
got a package. That was my package.

1537
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.000
They must work late, or they were just like, this

1538
01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:01.560
is the time.

1539
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:04.039
I think they were just like, let's just wait until

1540
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:06.319
she's definitely still a way because her lights are on,

1541
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:10.159
but she's absolutely absolutely asleep on the couch. Yeah, then

1542
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:11.680
we can go ring her doorbell.

1543
01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:16.319
There we go. Well, this is a different spin. The

1544
01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:20.199
headline from huff Post is late night doorbell prank mystery

1545
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:23.720
solved with a very strange twist.

1546
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.479
I think I know what it is, but we'll say.

1547
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:31.399
Residents had an apartment block in Schwabach, southern Germany. You

1548
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:34.640
think I hate you. I believe late night pranksters were

1549
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:39.119
to blame for their doorbells buzzing NonStop, but when police arrived,

1550
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:44.239
they found a much slimier source of the annoyance, reported

1551
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:48.000
multiple media outlets. It turned out that a small slug

1552
01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:52.920
look on your face is great. A small slug had

1553
01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:55.880
been sliding up and down the bell plate and repeatedly

1554
01:28:55.960 --> 01:29:01.800
triggering the sensors. Yeah, that'll do it. This snale hates

1555
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:03.760
people too, and that's why it's doing it. It's like,

1556
01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:05.239
no sleep, you can't sleep.

1557
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.720
No, I wanted to meet some of them.

1558
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:11.439
I feel like you're trying to you're over correcting. Now

1559
01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:13.880
you're like, no, no, it's fine. Animals are nice. They

1560
01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:14.439
like people.

1561
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:18.159
Yeah, really good.

1562
01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:22.680
So oh okay, I get that. After initially coming up

1563
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:26.800
short in their investigation, police officers eventually caught the mischievous

1564
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:31.760
mollusk in the act. It was quote brought down to size,

1565
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.720
taught about its territory boundaries, and placed on a nearby

1566
01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.319
stretch of grass. Police sawce. I like, how they treat

1567
01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:40.760
this slug better than they treat people who post memes

1568
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:50.560
criticizing their government. Germany acting like Germany anyway. It's It's

1569
01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:53.199
not the first time a slug has sparked such confusion.

1570
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.239
Back in twenty twenty one, a woman in Essex, England,

1571
01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.479
was woken in the night by her doorbell ringing. She

1572
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:01.880
discovered it was triggered by a slug.

1573
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:04.199
Huh apparently they just do this.

1574
01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:06.920
Huh, well, it makes sense. I mean they would they

1575
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:09.520
can activate things that you know, you would need like

1576
01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:13.239
a finger to touch because it's warm, so makes sense

1577
01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:15.319
the slug could do that and they'd crawl over stuff

1578
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:16.319
that's like their favorite thing.

1579
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:17.079
Yeah.

1580
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:20.439
Since they stick, they can just go anywhere they want. Yeah,

1581
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:26.279
must be nice. Yeah, lucky quote. I was a bit

1582
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:29.279
freaked out first, and then when I played it back,

1583
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:33.039
I started laughing. Leanne Jennings recalled at the time when

1584
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:35.159
I showed my friends, they were a bit freaked out.

1585
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:37.479
They gave me the kind of look they thought, like

1586
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.000
they thought there was a ghost or an alien or something.

1587
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:45.840
I mean they're alien like m I mean.

1588
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:47.399
We don't know what aliens are like.

1589
01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:50.720
But yeah, well you seem to think that they all

1590
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.960
are just like violent offenders.

1591
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:56.399
Well just the ones that seem to have a history

1592
01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:56.680
of it.

1593
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:05.279
Wow. Wow, wow wow.

1594
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:06.640
I'm not going to take it back.

1595
01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:11.439
Oh okay, you know I respect that. I respect that.

1596
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:15.479
For now, we're going to take a quick break, and

1597
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.239
when we get back, we're going to dive into this

1598
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:21.359
Library of Congress article about the origins of Halloween traditions

1599
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:24.520
to help you, the listener, get into the weekly into

1600
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:28.159
the spooky. Sorry, vibe. That's our whole thing is making

1601
01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:32.079
sure spooky season is as fun as humanly possible, and

1602
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:43.119
we'll be getting to that right after this. All right, Shelle,

1603
01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:46.279
we're back, and we're taking a look at this Library

1604
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:52.039
of Congress article about the origins of Halloween traditions. Because

1605
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:54.159
I don't know about you. I know we talk about

1606
01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:55.920
Halloween a lot over the last few years on the

1607
01:31:55.960 --> 01:31:59.039
show and in their friendship in general. But I've always

1608
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:02.359
loved Halloween, and I think that what started it for

1609
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:07.079
me with the TV specials. Yeah, like when TGIF would

1610
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:11.479
be all scary episodes, that was like the best thing ever.

1611
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:15.319
And then I remember, like one year we had a

1612
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:20.119
scholastic book fair at my elementary school, like in October,

1613
01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.560
right before it or somewhere in that neighborhood, and I

1614
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:29.319
bought my first Garfield book and it was Garfield in Disguise,

1615
01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:33.560
which is the Garfield Halloween story. And ever since then,

1616
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:37.840
I was always like, really really really into Halloween. And

1617
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.319
of course at trigger treating getting candies all awesome too.

1618
01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:44.920
But I just love the vibe. I love the sense

1619
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:48.159
that everybody's a little bit more fun and spooky, especially

1620
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:50.479
as somebody who like I love spooky stuff all year round,

1621
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:53.720
obviously because I, you know, dedicate so much of my

1622
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:56.800
time every single week to bringing spooky stuff out for people.

1623
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.720
So the idea that everybody's kind of on the fun

1624
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:02.640
is really cool. I guess this is This must be

1625
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:07.039
how alcoholics feel on New Year's Eve. Maybe they're like,

1626
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:11.199
finally I get everybody gets me. Yeah, but yeah, that's

1627
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:13.960
that's kind of how I feel when it comes to Halloween.

1628
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.720
What about you? Do you remember any like really fond

1629
01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:18.720
memories of early memories of Halloween?

1630
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:20.199
Oh?

1631
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:21.239
Fair?

1632
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:25.199
I mean yeah, I mean I one year it rained

1633
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:29.600
really hard. I remember that I was I was a

1634
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:33.880
win as a witch. Oh had lots of green paint

1635
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:34.359
on me and.

1636
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:40.399
Should have used grease paint, yeah.

1637
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:43.079
But I didn't because I was five.

1638
01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:47.680
My favorite was the year it snowed heavily, like two

1639
01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:51.399
days before Halloween. We had like serious snow on the ground,

1640
01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:53.680
and I was so mad because Mom made me wear

1641
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.840
a jacket over my ninja outfit.

1642
01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:56.960
Ye sucks.

1643
01:33:57.079 --> 01:34:01.800
There's nothing worse than that, Yeah, other than being a

1644
01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:04.199
kid and finding the perfect mask and realizing it can't

1645
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.920
fit you. Oh, you know, you put it on and

1646
01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:08.720
it's like I could see through the nose hoole. It's

1647
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:10.960
like you're not going around the neighborhood looking through the

1648
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:16.359
note hole all night. They're like, ah beans. So anyway,

1649
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.920
I just love Halloween. It's also why I think I

1650
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:21.880
love and I think a lot of people love horror

1651
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.600
movie hosts, which is worth mentioning because I did get

1652
01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:26.840
inducted into the Horror Host Hall of Fame like a

1653
01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:30.520
few weeks ago, But is because a lot of those

1654
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.840
horror hosts in the early days especially were like newsmen

1655
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:39.199
and broadcasters putting on fright wigs and grease paint and

1656
01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:42.960
vampire fangs and acting goofy to introduce these movies and

1657
01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.479
try to make basically trying to make each other laugh

1658
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.039
in the studio. I think there's a lot of charm

1659
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.039
to that because these are like, especially if you think

1660
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:52.960
of like the sixties and seventies, broadcast people were like

1661
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:56.600
the most adult people there were, you know, Walter Cronkite

1662
01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:59.560
and stuff like it just you know, hello and welcome

1663
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.960
to the new of Pittsburgh. And then it's like one

1664
01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.800
of my favorites is Bill Cardile, who went by Chili

1665
01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:13.840
Billy on Pittsburgh on Pittsburgh Chiller Theater. He didn't do anything,

1666
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:15.800
he didn't put makeup on or anything. He was just

1667
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:19.279
so people just loved him. He would just be funnier,

1668
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:21.920
you know, because he would like literally you could watch

1669
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:25.119
the Pittsburgh news channels and he would do on the

1670
01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:28.039
street reports, he would do the pro wrestling live like

1671
01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.319
sports segments and stuff, and then he hosted horror movies

1672
01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:35.239
on Saturday nights. Okay, but a lot of people, and

1673
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:37.680
this is something really interesting, and I'll get back on topic,

1674
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:40.399
a lot of people you had to work a lot

1675
01:35:40.479 --> 01:35:44.399
of jobs to maintain your gig. There, a lot of

1676
01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:47.840
people ended up doing nightly news stuff and then to

1677
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:51.119
supplement at the same station. They would not only then

1678
01:35:51.159 --> 01:35:56.680
do a horror host other character, they would also portray

1679
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.920
Bozo the Clown. Oh, because for a long period of

1680
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:06.159
time there was a Bosa the Clown in most major territories.

1681
01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:07.159
That's terrifying.

1682
01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:11.560
My friend Dick Daizelle, he was a newsman who portrayed

1683
01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:16.520
Count Gore Deval in Washington, d C. And Baltimore, and

1684
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:23.279
he was also Bosa the Clown. Yeah, so anyway, I

1685
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:25.039
just love stuff like that. But yeah, my point is

1686
01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:26.680
that like that was the best because it was like,

1687
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:29.000
you got to see adults dressing in their Halloween costumes.

1688
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:31.560
And that's what makes Halloween specials fun too, is they're

1689
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:36.079
usually adults dressing up in Halloween costumes. Yeah, so back

1690
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:39.479
to the article from the Library of Congress. Carving pumpkins,

1691
01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:42.319
tricker treating, and wearing scary costumes are some of the

1692
01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:47.399
time honored traditions of Halloween. Yet, Halloween, the holiday has

1693
01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:51.079
its roots in the ancient Celtic festival of Soween or

1694
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.000
sam Hayne, depending on how you want to say it.

1695
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:57.640
Soween is the Gaelic pronunciation a pig and religious celebration

1696
01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:00.279
to welcome the harvest at the end of summer, when

1697
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:05.279
people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts.

1698
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:10.439
In the eighth century, Pope Gregory the third designated November

1699
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:14.520
first as a time to honor Saints. Soon after, All

1700
01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:18.319
Saints Day came to incorporate some of the traditions of Salwyn.

1701
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:21.920
The evening before All Saints Day was known as All

1702
01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:28.000
Hallows Eve and later Halloween. Here's a look at the

1703
01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:31.840
origins of some of the classic Halloween traditions we know today.

1704
01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:36.760
Carving jack o' lanterns. You love carving jacke lanterns, don't you.

1705
01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:38.319
I mean, because I've carved them with you.

1706
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:41.319
Yeah.

1707
01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:43.920
The only hard part is, like I get so excited.

1708
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:46.159
I finally cut back on this. I used to get

1709
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.359
so excited with carve jack lanterns, like the moment they

1710
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:49.399
had pumpkins for sale.

1711
01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:50.600
Yeah, you can't do that.

1712
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:53.119
Yeah, they'd be I mean, unless you're having a really

1713
01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:56.560
and I mean really cold October, they're going to rot

1714
01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:57.920
substantially quickly.

1715
01:37:58.239 --> 01:37:58.600
Yeah.

1716
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:00.560
Yeah, I have had a few years where like one

1717
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:02.600
put up in the middle of October because it's like

1718
01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:06.039
not getting above fifty. It don't get too bad. They're

1719
01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:08.359
still gonna rod a little bit. You. It helps if

1720
01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:11.279
you spray the inside with bleach, with a bleach bleach

1721
01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:16.680
and waters, it makes it decay slower. Dude.

1722
01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:18.239
You should just smoke it like.

1723
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:25.960
Solid callback, solid callback. The tradition of carving jack o

1724
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:30.720
lanterns originated in Ireland using turnips instead of pumpkins. Have

1725
01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.920
you ever thought about carving a turn up just to see?

1726
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:36.720
It would probably be super annoying because they're they're really

1727
01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:39.119
solid on the inside and also they're not very big.

1728
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.279
No, no, that sounds like so much work. Yeah, like

1729
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.920
an incredible amount of work. But apparently they look really creepy.

1730
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.560
Yeah yeah.

1731
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:52.640
It is allegedly based on a legend about a man

1732
01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:56.680
named Stingy Jack, who repeatedly trapped the devil and only

1733
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.479
let him go on the condition that Jack would never

1734
01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:03.000
go to hell. Well, but when Jack died, he learned

1735
01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:06.199
that heaven did not want his soul either, so he

1736
01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.760
was forced to wander the earth as a ghost for eternity.

1737
01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.960
I mean that sounds okay to me. It's sure you.

1738
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:15.960
Want to wander the earth as a ghost for eternity?

1739
01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:18.319
Sure?

1740
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:19.840
Like yeah, I mean depends on what's on TV.

1741
01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:21.079
Yeah, exactly.

1742
01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:26.319
The devil gave Jack a burning lump of coal in

1743
01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:31.039
a carved out turnip to light his way. What do

1744
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:32.680
you think The devil just did like a bunch of

1745
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.359
like mescaline and acid and carved a turn up. I

1746
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:36.520
was like, whoa. And then when he came to you,

1747
01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.800
He's like, uh, here you go light your way with this, bro.

1748
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:45.600
Locals eventually began carving scary faces into their own turnips

1749
01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:51.359
to frighten away evil spirits. And speaking of spirits, this

1750
01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:56.319
next Halloween, tradition is all about seeing ghosts, and we'll

1751
01:39:56.319 --> 01:40:06.600
talk about it. Right after this, the Festival of sam

1752
01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:09.920
Hayne marked the transition to the new year at the

1753
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:13.239
end of the harvest and beginning of the winter. Celtic

1754
01:40:13.319 --> 01:40:17.399
people believed that during the festival, spirits walked the earth.

1755
01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:22.439
Later on, Christian missionaries introduced All Souls Day on November two,

1756
01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:26.920
which perpetuated the idea of the living coming into contact

1757
01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:29.479
with the dead around the same time of the year.

1758
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:37.159
So another tradition is seeing ghosts. Mm hmm, what why

1759
01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:38.000
are you making that face?

1760
01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:40.439
No, I don't know, that's fine.

1761
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:45.920
Another tradition wearing scary costumes, which, by the way, have

1762
01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:48.800
you looked at like old timey Halloween costumes. They're mortifying.

1763
01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:51.600
Yeah, they're really upset. And yeah.

1764
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:54.760
There was this whole era where it was perfectly acceptable

1765
01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:57.760
to wear a full face mask of a thing, and

1766
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:00.239
no matter how terrifying it looked, they'd be like, yeah,

1767
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.159
that's Santa Claus. It's like, no, that's a fake face

1768
01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:07.520
with rosy cheeks and a beard. Yeah that's Santa No,

1769
01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:08.640
that looks horrifying.

1770
01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:10.560
Noah.

1771
01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:16.279
In order to avoid being terrorized by all the evil spirits,

1772
01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:20.439
walking the earth during Sowyn the Celt's Dawn disguises in

1773
01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.760
order to confuse the spirits and be left alone. That's

1774
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:26.640
one of my favorite Halloween lores is that the costume

1775
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:30.760
is what keeps you safe. In some of the versions,

1776
01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.479
the costume is just so that they don't know who

1777
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.479
you are. Yeah, you know, because the spirits are specific.

1778
01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:39.199
And then in later ones that were a little bit

1779
01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:43.000
nicer about the idea of souls coming back, instead of saying, like,

1780
01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:44.840
you know, your grandpa's coming to whoop your ass because

1781
01:41:44.840 --> 01:41:48.319
like you sold the farm, then it became that you're

1782
01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:53.039
dressing up to blend in with all the spirits and

1783
01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:56.199
scary things, which is the cuter kid version. But yeah,

1784
01:41:56.199 --> 01:41:58.680
originally it was like dressed like somebody else because your

1785
01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:01.000
dead dad might come and freaking kill you.

1786
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:07.039
Yeah awkwards. Yeah, and he's not going to know if

1787
01:42:07.039 --> 01:42:09.439
you dress weird because he's not that smart.

1788
01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:10.960
No, he's not that smart.

1789
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:11.960
Yeah.

1790
01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:13.840
Next up is trick or treating?

1791
01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:15.079
Mm hmm.

1792
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.640
Have you been getting better trigger treaters lately? Do you do?

1793
01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.239
Okay? I do, I do, find but I have been

1794
01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:26.159
a doing okay since I moved, so yeah, yeah, I.

1795
01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:27.960
Remember handed candy out with you that one time they

1796
01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:31.720
were almost none. I feel like that was in Lansdowne.

1797
01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:34.720
Oh yeah, yeah, I was sorry. I was thinking about

1798
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:37.720
the other person who handed candy out with me last year,

1799
01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:38.560
who was my dad?

1800
01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:40.319
So yeah that was your dad.

1801
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:43.119
Yeah but no, Yeah in Lansdown there was like nobody

1802
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:46.720
because it's dangerous, and then their kids going all the.

1803
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:48.119
Way and now it's becoming hip.

1804
01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:50.159
I'm so upset.

1805
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.000
Michelle's old hometown is becoming at a home. Well, it

1806
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.520
was your hometown, your home was there, Yeah, is becoming

1807
01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.479
hip and cool. When it was a cess pool of

1808
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:02.800
scariness for a while, it was like it wasn't the

1809
01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:04.840
worst place. I don't want to oversell it.

1810
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.119
Well it's it's it's not also not fair because like

1811
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:11.760
it's not a large town, but it's very different in

1812
01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:12.600
different areas.

1813
01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:13.399
Yeah.

1814
01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:16.640
So the place that's becoming hip was never dangerous or bad,

1815
01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:19.359
it just wasn't hip. So I don't know how far

1816
01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:21.600
south the hip is going, you.

1817
01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:26.199
Know, Yeah, maybe one day we'll know. But uh, my neighborhood,

1818
01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.600
it seems like every year we're getting even more trigger treaters.

1819
01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:30.479
And we had bad weather two years in a row,

1820
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:32.800
and still had a lot of kids. So I'm hoping

1821
01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:35.439
this year will have clear skies, no rain at all,

1822
01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:37.960
and no and I can and I can just help

1823
01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:39.880
these kids with handfuls of candy. That's like what I

1824
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:41.880
want to do. My favorite thing is when a kid's

1825
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:43.840
too afraid to come up and take their candy, so

1826
01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:45.279
I have to give it to another kid to give

1827
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:47.399
to them, knowing that they'll just eat it themselves.

1828
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:49.079
Yeah.

1829
01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:52.000
But uh. There is much debate around the origins of

1830
01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:57.359
trick or treating, but generally there are three theories. The

1831
01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:01.640
first theory suggests that sand salweing Celtic people would that

1832
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:05.039
on sowing, Celtic people would leave food out to appease

1833
01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:08.880
the spirits traveling to the earth at night. Over time,

1834
01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:12.560
people began to dress as these unearthly beings in exchange

1835
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:16.680
for similar offerings of food and drink. That's an interesting

1836
01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:19.600
thing to think about too, because having a meal for

1837
01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:22.439
somebody to not be eaten for somebody who's dead is

1838
01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:29.199
a very long standing tradition. Also, wassaul, you know wassail

1839
01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:32.920
from Christmas time. It's a kind of a similar thing.

1840
01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.079
You make it to appease the spirits. But also like

1841
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:40.079
people come around singing and you give it to them.

1842
01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:43.640
The second theory speculates that the candy boon stems from

1843
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:48.199
the Scottish practice of guysing, which is a secular version

1844
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:53.560
of souling. During the Middle Ages, generally children and poor

1845
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:57.000
adults would collect food and money from local homes in

1846
01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.880
return for prayers for the dead on Soul's Day. It's

1847
01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:04.119
almost like a sin eater, but not quite. I guess

1848
01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:09.399
I don't know about sas No. Really, Yes, there was

1849
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:12.760
a time in old like I think it was Scotland

1850
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:17.560
or Ireland, when people like derelicts and poor people and

1851
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.399
mentally ill people would take jobs as what we're called

1852
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.159
sin eaters. Oh man, I need to do a terrifying

1853
01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:26.479
and true on sin eating and this is a real thing.

1854
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:30.800
You would pay them in money to eat a meal

1855
01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:34.079
off of the corps's chest in their viewing.

1856
01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:35.600
Wow.

1857
01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.840
And the idea was that the sin that the person

1858
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:43.439
committed in their life would be in the food, and

1859
01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:45.960
by eating it, the sin eater takes all the sin

1860
01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:49.600
on themselves for a fee. So basically they're like a surrogate.

1861
01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:51.760
They'll take all the punishment for the sin when they

1862
01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:57.159
die one day it's a really old, eerie thing. But

1863
01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.880
sin Eaters, Yeah, dude, I can't. You've never heard about

1864
01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:05.600
sin Eaters. That's wild. Yeah, it's really creepy. It's a

1865
01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:08.760
really creepy thing. Yeah, I'm gonna totally I gotta put

1866
01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:10.760
sin Eaters on the Terrifying and True list because that

1867
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:12.239
would be one to do a deep dive about.

1868
01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:13.039
Yeah.

1869
01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:17.720
Oh, that's a perfect one. Oh a spoiler for anybody

1870
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.199
who's been you know, kind enough to listen so far

1871
01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:24.560
in I'll give you a hint. In a December, I'm

1872
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:26.600
doing a terrifying and true that's a deep dive on

1873
01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:30.479
how friggin dangerous Christmas was in the Victorian era. How

1874
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.279
like all the lights and stuff caused constant like fires

1875
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.199
to break out, and toys were killing people. It's like

1876
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.439
all of the dangers of a Victorian Christmas.

1877
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:39.960
Cool.

1878
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:42.520
I'm really excited about that one. So I thought i'd

1879
01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:48.000
spill the beans a little bit. So Geysers dropped the

1880
01:46:48.039 --> 01:46:51.640
prayers in favor of non religious practices with the inclusions

1881
01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:54.199
of songs, jokes, and other tricks.

1882
01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:55.199
Okay.

1883
01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:59.479
A third theory argues that modern American trick or treating

1884
01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:04.680
treating stems from bell Snickeling, a German American Christmas tradition

1885
01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:07.600
where children would dress up in costume and then call

1886
01:47:07.640 --> 01:47:09.760
on their neighbors to see if the adults could guess

1887
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:14.239
the identities of the disguised. I've heard of that, not

1888
01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.279
that name, but I've heard of the thing where like

1889
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:18.319
the game is figuring out who the kid is in

1890
01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:22.359
the costume. In one version of the practice, the children

1891
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:25.039
were rewarded with food or other treats if no one

1892
01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:28.880
could identify them, but in another version, they were killed.

1893
01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:33.720
You were going to say that I knew you thought that. Wow. Look, oh,

1894
01:47:33.800 --> 01:47:36.600
hold on shell, look at these nineteen sixty two kids

1895
01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:37.800
in their Halloween costumes.

1896
01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:38.640
That's terrifying.

1897
01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:42.479
Yeah, look at that one. Oh those are cute actually,

1898
01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:43.880
but look at that.

1899
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:44.600
Yeah.

1900
01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:46.600
Their masks are so weird and off.

1901
01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:47.319
Yeah.

1902
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:49.520
Yeah, hoe made costumes are so scary.

1903
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:51.439
Yeah, that's what I should.

1904
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:52.640
Do for Halloween. Every year I struggled with, like, what

1905
01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:54.079
am I gonna do because I want to be scary

1906
01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:56.239
to scare the kids. Last year I did a Psycho Santa,

1907
01:47:56.319 --> 01:47:59.920
which I thought was awesome, But I should do like

1908
01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:04.880
just a really scary homemade looking costume with like a

1909
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:10.199
stitched like a sack over my head or something that's

1910
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.159
so much work, and Michelle, will you make it for

1911
01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:18.279
me please? I'll pay shipping. No, damn it, I thought.

1912
01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:19.560
It would work free.

1913
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:25.079
Well. Oh, I almost missed that. I was about to

1914
01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:28.239
start the next thing. Oh that turned into wholesome content.

1915
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:31.239
Thank you. When we get back, we're going to talk

1916
01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:34.319
a little bit about cats, black and orange and bobbing

1917
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:47.640
for apples right after this. Shelle, you've offered a lot

1918
01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:52.279
of challenging opinions this month, which I appreciate. I do,

1919
01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:56.399
so I have to ask, how do you feel about

1920
01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:57.600
black cats?

1921
01:48:58.359 --> 01:48:59.520
They're okay?

1922
01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:01.880
Wow?

1923
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:06.000
I like I wish they had patterns on them because

1924
01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:07.560
I just think patterns are cool.

1925
01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:09.640
Have you never seen a black cat where like, if

1926
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:12.039
you look really close, they actually have like a little pattern,

1927
01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:14.039
because they do. There are ones that have like they

1928
01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:16.079
look kind of like you know that, I don't know what.

1929
01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:17.520
I don't know anything about cats. You know how they

1930
01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:19.880
have that like kind of tiger striping or whatever. I've

1931
01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:22.279
seen somewhere they have like a very very light or

1932
01:49:22.399 --> 01:49:23.960
very dark gray pattern.

1933
01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:25.159
Oh, that's pretty cool.

1934
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:27.199
It's very cool. And you only can tell when you

1935
01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:32.279
like really look. Well. The idea of being spooked by

1936
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:36.279
black cats, which is another classic Halloween tradition, dates back

1937
01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:39.920
to the Middle Ages. Oh, I didn't know this when

1938
01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:43.720
these dark felines were considered a symbol of the devil.

1939
01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:47.760
I did know that. It didn't help that centuries later,

1940
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:52.720
accused witches were often found to have cats, particularly black ones.

1941
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:55.880
Oh so they were just lonely women.

1942
01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:00.000
Yeah. When they just happened to have cats that were black.

1943
01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:04.720
Yeah, x, people began to believe that the cats were

1944
01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:08.640
the witches familiar supernatural entities that would assist in their

1945
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:12.880
practice of dark magic, and black cats and spookiness have

1946
01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:19.079
been linked ever since. Okay, so this is one I've

1947
01:50:19.079 --> 01:50:24.199
never I've never really gotten an explanation for black and orange.

1948
01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:26.399
Yeah, I'm interested.

1949
01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:30.880
The traditional Halloween colors of black and orange also traces

1950
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.000
back to the Celtic festival of Sowyn. For the Celts,

1951
01:50:34.039 --> 01:50:38.680
black represented the death of summer, while orange symbolized the

1952
01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:44.960
autumn harvest. Okay, that makes so much sense. That almost

1953
01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:48.520
pisses me off because that like makes perfect sense. Like

1954
01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:53.720
I'm like, oh duh, everything about that makes perfect sense. Yeah,

1955
01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.760
here's your favorite shell and one of the earliest Halloween.

1956
01:50:57.479 --> 01:50:59.800
You know that. You know, Halloween at first was Halloween

1957
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:05.680
Halloween and then upostery Een Halloween. That really yeah, that

1958
01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:08.039
was in the early days, because Halloween, as we see

1959
01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:11.439
it is really pretty new, like nineteen thirties, nineteen forties,

1960
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:18.279
maybe maybe twenties. Bobbing for apples? What's gross about bobbing

1961
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:18.800
for apples?

1962
01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:26.359
Everything there's apples and then you have you don't like apples, No,

1963
01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:29.000
they're okay. I just don't like you have to put

1964
01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:32.720
your head in a water that's with other people's just your.

1965
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:34.600
Face, not your whole head. I mean, I guess if

1966
01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:36.760
you want to really do it, Yeah, you gotta go

1967
01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:37.199
all in.

1968
01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:37.920
Yeah.

1969
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:40.199
Did you ever bob for apples when you were kid?

1970
01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.199
They didn't do that? You're like, like, what, I don't

1971
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:48.560
know your temple or your church or anything.

1972
01:51:49.039 --> 01:51:51.359
No, I mean, honestly, now that I think about it,

1973
01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:52.840
I might have bobbed for apples.

1974
01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:57.600
Ah, yeah, knew it. See the church I went to,

1975
01:51:57.600 --> 01:51:59.279
which is funny because they were very when I was

1976
01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:01.880
very young, which I went to, they were very strict

1977
01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:05.439
and very like, you know, strict is really the best word.

1978
01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:07.239
They were very like if you made jokes and church.

1979
01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:09.880
They were like quiet you and stuff, but they loved Halloween.

1980
01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:11.600
They like went all out on Halloween.

1981
01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:12.359
Interesting.

1982
01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:14.680
So I bobbed for apples a ton. I could never

1983
01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:18.039
catch a damn apple. It's really hard to get an apple, yeah,

1984
01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:20.640
unless it's like really small, but you're a child, so

1985
01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:24.159
your mouth is small. It's really hard. The game of

1986
01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.880
bobbing for apples has been a staple at Halloween parties

1987
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.439
for many years, but its origins are more rooted in

1988
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:33.439
love and romance. We did notice when we did a

1989
01:52:33.479 --> 01:52:36.520
deep dive on Halloween on a Halloween like guidebook on

1990
01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:38.319
how to have a Halloween party, which tells you how

1991
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.199
new Halloween was, that people needed like guidance of how

1992
01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:46.279
to have Halloween party. But they like most of the

1993
01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:50.039
party games, which I have a theory, by the way,

1994
01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:52.119
but most of the party games were about like figuring

1995
01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:54.600
out who you would marry someday or like pairing off,

1996
01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:57.319
because well it was for young adults. That was the

1997
01:52:57.319 --> 01:52:59.359
whole argument. So it was like for people who are

1998
01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:01.520
like eighteen to twenty five and single, you go to

1999
01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:03.600
a Halloween party and try to make, you know, make

2000
01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:08.720
a lover. Yep, yep, I do have a theory if

2001
01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:10.880
you look at the way they celebrated Halloween back in

2002
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.479
the day versus now. Sometimes I think that's where a

2003
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:17.520
lot of like the really like scared, like church ladies

2004
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:19.680
who go like it's satanic. It's like, when you look

2005
01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:22.720
back at how they celebrate Halloween, it was like seances

2006
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.960
and like summonings. It's not that way now. People don't

2007
01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.319
really do that stuff at all. It's all horror movies

2008
01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:34.479
and candy and you know, pizzas shaped like pumpkins. Oh,

2009
01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:36.479
I love the pizza shaped like a pumpkin. I'm so

2010
01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:39.039
excited for Halloween, even though it's the most exhausting time

2011
01:53:39.039 --> 01:53:40.800
of year for me. I'm so excited.

2012
01:53:40.840 --> 01:53:42.640
Shell, I'm glad.

2013
01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:45.920
Oh I am, I am. I'm excited. I'm going to

2014
01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:48.079
go to as many haunts as I can as I

2015
01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:50.479
can try to do. Yeah, last year I went to

2016
01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:52.159
a ton of haunts and I had an amazing time.

2017
01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:55.520
So and I'll report all the haunts I go to

2018
01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:57.800
when we do Monthly Spooky at the end of October.

2019
01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:02.920
The game traces back to a courting ritual that was

2020
01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:07.000
part of a Roman festival honoring Pomona, the goddess of

2021
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:12.640
agriculture and abundance. While multiple versions existed, the gist was

2022
01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:15.239
that young men and women would be able to predict

2023
01:54:15.279 --> 01:54:19.279
their future relationships based on the game. When the Romans

2024
01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:22.520
conquered the British Isles in forty three AD, the Pomona

2025
01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:31.199
Festival blended with the similarly time Sowyn, a precursor to Halloween. Okay, ooh, pranking,

2026
01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:36.079
because of course, trick or treat m h starts with

2027
01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:42.319
trick or treat playing. Pranks often varies by region, but

2028
01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:46.800
the pre Halloween tradition known as Devil's Knight is credited

2029
01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:50.399
to a different origin depending on the source. Some say

2030
01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:53.079
that pranks started as part of a May Day celebration,

2031
01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.000
but Soween and eventually all Soul's Day also included good

2032
01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:01.119
natured mischief. When Irish and Scottish immig and came to America,

2033
01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:04.119
they brought with them the tradition of celebrating Mischief Night

2034
01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:09.000
as part of Halloween. So what you're saying is they

2035
01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:13.680
were a bunch of like vandals, And what we're saying

2036
01:55:13.800 --> 01:55:21.880
is those Irish and Scottish immigrants were horrible now lighting

2037
01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:26.880
candles and bonfires, Okay, for much of the early history

2038
01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:30.840
of Halloween, towering bonfires were used to light the way

2039
01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:35.159
for souls seeking the afterlife. These days, lighting candles have

2040
01:55:35.279 --> 01:55:40.239
generally been replaced have generally replaced the large traditional blazes.

2041
01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:42.520
That makes us I don't know anybody who's having a

2042
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.439
big bonfire for Halloween, if I'm honest.

2043
01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:49.880
My neighbors do really yeah, I mean not a huge

2044
01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.800
on fire, but they have in their front yard. They

2045
01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:56.279
just sit around and they have a little fire candy.

2046
01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.920
Yeah that's so nice. I like that. That's super nice.

2047
01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:02.600
You should do You ever go out there and say

2048
01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:03.760
hi to them while they're doing it.

2049
01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:06.319
I did one year. I sat with them, But like

2050
01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:08.680
I gotta be here because I gotta do the things.

2051
01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:11.720
Oh yeah, yeah. It's just I always like if I

2052
01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:13.399
notice my neighbors, because a lot of my neighbors with

2053
01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:16.079
an eyeshot aren't doing much for Halloween, Like they're maybe

2054
01:56:16.079 --> 01:56:18.439
handing out candy at best. So whenever I have a

2055
01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:20.840
neighbor who's like sitting out and like putting an effort,

2056
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:22.520
I like to like swing by and like sneak them

2057
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.319
like and like make them take a piece of candy

2058
01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:26.560
or something for me, just because it's like, hey, I

2059
01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:28.600
couldn't help. But notice, like you don't have any milky

2060
01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:30.680
ways that you like milky ways, right, you know, like

2061
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:33.119
just I don't know. I just love Halloween so much. Ah,

2062
01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:35.199
you'd never guessed by the six fucking years I've put

2063
01:56:35.199 --> 01:56:41.920
into the show. Right, Okay, we're getting close to the

2064
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:44.640
end of the list, So when we get back, we're

2065
01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:53.199
gonna talk about the strange, haunted, evil origins of candied

2066
01:56:53.199 --> 01:57:04.319
apples right after this, well, before you crap all over

2067
01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:08.800
people enjoying their candied apples. Cell For centuries, people have

2068
01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:12.039
been coating fruit in syrup as a means of preservation,

2069
01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:16.600
but during the Roman festival of Pomona, the goddess was

2070
01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.960
often represented by and associated with apples. Her name derives

2071
01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:24.279
from the Latin word for apple, palmum, and the fruit

2072
01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:27.680
is at the heart of the harvest celebrations. I do love.

2073
01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:29.239
Have you ever made a baked apple?

2074
01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:30.399
Yeah?

2075
01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:31.319
Those are so good?

2076
01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:32.439
They are good.

2077
01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:33.640
Can I give you a tip?

2078
01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:34.640
Sure?

2079
01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:37.319
I made a baked So do you core the apple

2080
01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:40.680
and like put stuff in it? I once did it,

2081
01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:43.560
but I stuffed it with candy corn. Oh my god,

2082
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:49.439
it was awesome. Wow, it was so good. Dude, cannot

2083
01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:50.319
recommend it enough.

2084
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:54.000
It sounds really sweet, though.

2085
01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:57.439
Well, the trick is you can't fit that many candy

2086
01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:01.039
corn in yeah, so it's actually not because you're not.

2087
01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:03.359
You're probably getting like what four or five pieces in

2088
01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:07.039
there tops and then it turns into a wonderful goo.

2089
01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:08.640
Okay.

2090
01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:13.319
I highly recommend it. Okay, because whether you love or

2091
01:58:13.319 --> 01:58:15.520
hate candy corn, you like candy corn, right, I mean,

2092
01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:16.720
you're not like in love with the but you don't

2093
01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:18.279
you don't have like some people are just like ah

2094
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:22.520
about candy corny. I love candy corn, I really do.

2095
01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:24.920
And it goes great with cigars, which was like one

2096
01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:26.560
of the big turning points of me saying like, yeah,

2097
01:58:26.600 --> 01:58:28.399
I like cigars because I could sit there puffing and

2098
01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.520
having one piece of candy corn every like three or

2099
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:32.399
four minutes, and then puff and have another piece of

2100
01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:34.880
candycorn at the end of the day. They really taste

2101
01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:41.039
like marshmallow and honey, which are pretty friggin pleasant. That's all.

2102
01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:43.239
That's my whole point is like they're actually a really

2103
01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:46.000
pleasant flavor and that's why they're great on like a

2104
01:58:46.039 --> 01:58:49.399
candied apple or like a baked apple rather Okay, So

2105
01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:51.560
highly recommend trying that. Just put a couple in that

2106
01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:56.000
core instead and bake it. Okay, so I lost my place.

2107
01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:58.520
It is believed that candy apples. Oh yeah, this is

2108
01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:02.720
the dark. This is the dark history side of candied apples.

2109
01:59:03.279 --> 01:59:06.800
Candied apples were invented accidentally in nineteen oh eight by

2110
01:59:06.840 --> 01:59:12.640
William W. Colb, a candy maker in Newark, New Jersey.

2111
01:59:13.159 --> 01:59:15.279
Oh no, cut up.

2112
01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:19.279
That's why I did the whole build up as I

2113
01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:22.720
saw it, said, New Jersey. And the thing, as the

2114
01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:26.119
story goes cold was experimenting with red cinnamon candy to

2115
01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:28.800
sell at Christmas time, and he dipped the apples on

2116
01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:31.600
sticks into the red glaze and put them in his

2117
01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:34.439
shop window to showcase his new candy. Oh well, it

2118
01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:37.119
was like to say, like, look how nice this this

2119
01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:39.439
hard candy cinnamon candy is. Like I put it on

2120
01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:42.920
an apple. Man, I've never had a candied apple with

2121
01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:47.720
cinnamon glaze. That'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, that'd be so

2122
01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:51.960
good because apple and cinnamon match made in heaven. Are

2123
01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:54.119
you a red apple or a green apple person?

2124
01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:55.520
I'm a red apple person.

2125
01:59:55.720 --> 01:59:57.840
I know, I just wanted to hate you again all over.

2126
01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.920
I'm a green apple person. A thousand. I know it's weird,

2127
02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:11.000
worst case golden delicious, but I prefer green Lahla. But

2128
02:00:11.239 --> 02:00:13.560
instead of selling the candies, he ended up selling the

2129
02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:16.279
apples to customers who thought they looked good enough to eat.

2130
02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:19.479
They became fashionable treats for Halloween starting in the early

2131
02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:24.680
nineteen hundreds, and they remained popular up until the nineteen seventies. Wow,

2132
02:00:25.399 --> 02:00:28.640
candied apples fell by the wayside in part, I believe

2133
02:00:28.720 --> 02:00:30.319
due to the caramel apple.

2134
02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:34.640
I would agree. I like caramel apples better than candy apple.

2135
02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:36.840
I do too. You're not as worried about breaking a tooth.

2136
02:00:37.159 --> 02:00:38.439
Mm hmm, yeah, exactly.

2137
02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:41.359
And they're easier to make, like if you want to

2138
02:00:41.479 --> 02:00:43.960
make them at home and not just buy them, because

2139
02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:46.880
they'll be better if you make them at home. If

2140
02:00:46.920 --> 02:00:49.399
you make a caramel apple at home, you're not talking

2141
02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:52.239
a ton of work. I mean, it's a decent amount

2142
02:00:52.279 --> 02:00:55.079
of work, but not not like making a candied apple.

2143
02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:57.880
That's a lot of frigging work. Like if you're gonna

2144
02:00:57.920 --> 02:00:59.560
do that. Honestly, if I was gonna make candied apples,

2145
02:00:59.560 --> 02:01:00.600
I would do the slices.

2146
02:01:02.239 --> 02:01:02.560
That would be.

2147
02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:04.199
That would be I think that would be Although that

2148
02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:07.319
would be amazing caramel too. Oh my gosh, I need

2149
02:01:07.359 --> 02:01:10.199
to see I'm getting really hungry, is what's happening on

2150
02:01:10.239 --> 02:01:12.439
the show. Because I was just like, I'm making elotes

2151
02:01:12.520 --> 02:01:15.880
tonight for Rachel and her niece her Nieces coming over,

2152
02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:19.199
and Rachel's making pizza. And she texted me today this

2153
02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:20.760
morning and was like, Hey, I know it doesn't in

2154
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.079
any way go with pizza, and this seems really random,

2155
02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:25.640
but can you make eylo taste to go with the pizza.

2156
02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:27.880
I already bought ears of corn last night and I

2157
02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.840
was like, yes, I will make you eat low taste.

2158
02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:33.960
If people don't know, that's basically a street corn covered

2159
02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:36.800
in like a mayonnaise, sauce and pepper and chili powder.

2160
02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:41.680
It's very very tasty. But I just realized. I was like,

2161
02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:43.159
oh man, I need to check if I have any

2162
02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:46.840
any h Oh what's it called? That kind of that

2163
02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.279
sweet and condensed milk? I need to see if I

2164
02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:51.079
have any. What's funny is I was gonna say sweet

2165
02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:53.319
milk and it filled the word like it started the

2166
02:01:53.319 --> 02:01:55.720
word shitting commense milk. I used to have any because

2167
02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:59.079
if you can pressure cook the can and it basically

2168
02:01:59.079 --> 02:02:00.000
turns into dulcet delay.

2169
02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:02.039
Right, Yeah, we talked about this.

2170
02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:04.319
Yeah, it's amazing, but I ate it till I made

2171
02:02:04.359 --> 02:02:06.439
myself sick because it was a giant can of it.

2172
02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:09.399
So I'm sitting there dipping pretzels in it, dipping, dipping

2173
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:11.279
a slice of apple in it, and I'm like, I

2174
02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:13.399
can't keep it. Only keep for like a week in

2175
02:02:13.439 --> 02:02:15.239
the fridge. So I'm just eating it like every meal,

2176
02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:19.119
Like I can't waste A can of a can of

2177
02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:23.920
sweetened Canden's milk is like a dollar eighty maybe I

2178
02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:27.119
don't know. Anyway, We're getting close to wrapping this up,

2179
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:28.760
so I want to. I want to. I want to

2180
02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:31.560
keep TI rating, but I am really hungry. I have

2181
02:02:31.640 --> 02:02:34.720
a donut from last night that I didn't eat, and

2182
02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:36.479
I'm going to eat to tide me over because I

2183
02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:39.159
think dinner's going to be late because I gotta make

2184
02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:41.640
lote from scratch. Oh, and I'm gonna make it from scratch,

2185
02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:44.000
like I'm gonna make the mayonnaise. Oh, because now I

2186
02:02:44.039 --> 02:02:47.239
know how to make mayonnaise and it's awesome. I cannot

2187
02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:50.680
recommend enough if you have an emulsion blender, making like

2188
02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:54.239
making a week's worth of Mayo takes like four minutes

2189
02:02:55.239 --> 02:02:56.560
and then you're done. You just have mayo.

2190
02:02:56.960 --> 02:02:58.359
Anyway, that's pretty cool.

2191
02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:06.920
Bats. Bats were likely present at the earliest proto Halloween celebrations,

2192
02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:12.159
not just symbolically but literally as part of Yeah, you

2193
02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.920
would think right, as part of Sowyn you.

2194
02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:17.199
Love bats, by the way, I do like bats.

2195
02:03:18.159 --> 02:03:23.800
As part of Sowyn Celtic. Celtics lit large bonfires, which

2196
02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:28.640
attracted insects, which in turn attracted bats. Man, that makes

2197
02:03:28.680 --> 02:03:30.600
so much sense why that bats would become a part

2198
02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:33.680
of the celebration. Yeah, because they had bonfires. Giant bonfires

2199
02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:35.199
were one of the first things they did to celebrate

2200
02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:37.479
that would totally attract bugs from everywhere. So then you

2201
02:03:37.520 --> 02:03:42.399
see bats flying around. Happens at the drive in theater sometimes, Yeah,

2202
02:03:42.439 --> 02:03:44.640
at the drive and you'll see bats constantly because there

2203
02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:46.600
are tons of insects around because of all the people

2204
02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:48.039
and all the light.

2205
02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:50.079
Yeah, that makes sense.

2206
02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.880
Yeah, and it's double edged because they go to the

2207
02:03:52.960 --> 02:03:54.840
light on the screen and the light from the actual

2208
02:03:54.840 --> 02:03:57.199
projector so you end up with just a ton of bugs. Yeah.

2209
02:03:57.640 --> 02:03:59.199
The last time I went, you could literally just see

2210
02:03:59.199 --> 02:04:03.279
bats zooming around all over. It was really cool. Awe.

2211
02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:06.880
Medieval folklore expanded upon the eeriness of bats, with a

2212
02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:09.800
number of superstitions built around the belief that bats were

2213
02:04:09.800 --> 02:04:17.920
harbingers of death. Oh yeah, Devouring candy one of my

2214
02:04:18.079 --> 02:04:21.399
all time favorite Halloween pastimes. Even though I get older

2215
02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:22.920
and now I can't. I used to be able to

2216
02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:26.239
eat candy for like forever, it felt like, and now

2217
02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:27.920
it's like, after three or four pieces, I'm like, I

2218
02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:30.920
don't know, unless it's really good candy or like a

2219
02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.119
candy I'm obsessed with, you know. If it's something like

2220
02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:35.680
gourmet sours or something, I might like eat a ton

2221
02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:39.439
of them. But yeah, like, yeah, I'm getting old man.

2222
02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:42.760
The active going door to door for handouts has long

2223
02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:45.359
been a part of Halloween revelries, but until the mid

2224
02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.840
twentieth century, the treats children received were not necessarily candy.

2225
02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:53.000
Things like fruit, nuts, coins, and toys were just as

2226
02:04:53.159 --> 02:04:55.840
likely to be given out. That's why we have to

2227
02:04:55.880 --> 02:05:00.560
tpee their houses and keep our society in check. People

2228
02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:04.000
began to favor the confections out of convenience, but candies

2229
02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:07.680
did not dominate as the exclusion of other treats until

2230
02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:13.520
the nineteen seventies, when parents started started fearing anything unwrapped. Okay,

2231
02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:15.399
did you have the house in your neighborhood where they

2232
02:05:15.439 --> 02:05:20.399
handed on apples? No, we did. We had like a

2233
02:05:20.439 --> 02:05:22.920
couple of houses that would hand on apples, and of

2234
02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:26.720
course we also had the legendary dentist house where they

2235
02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:27.960
handed out toothbrushes.

2236
02:05:28.239 --> 02:05:29.439
Yeah.

2237
02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:33.079
Yeah, we would never eat the apples. We were told

2238
02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.560
apples will always have razor blades in them, so we would.

2239
02:05:35.640 --> 02:05:37.760
We would destroy them. We'd like to throw them in

2240
02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:39.119
the street and bust them up.

2241
02:05:39.199 --> 02:05:41.079
We were all, I mean, you could have cut the

2242
02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:43.079
apple and then you would find the razor blade, and

2243
02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:47.800
then you could eat the apple and have a razor blade.

2244
02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:50.840
I did not think that was I did not know

2245
02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:53.279
that was where you were going. That was so good.

2246
02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:59.640
Well played cell last one. Candy corn, Well, we were

2247
02:05:59.680 --> 02:05:59.960
just talking.

2248
02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:01.600
Yeah.

2249
02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:05.760
A candy maker at the Wonderly Candy Company in Philadelphia

2250
02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:11.119
whow is sometimes credited with inventing the tricolored candy in

2251
02:06:11.159 --> 02:06:14.000
the eighteen eighties, but candy corn did not become a

2252
02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:17.720
widespread sensation until the Golitz Company brought the candy to

2253
02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:21.600
the masses in eighteen ninety eight. Candy corn was originally

2254
02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:24.960
called chicken feed. I do remember that chicken feed and

2255
02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:30.279
sold in boxes with the slogan something worth crowing for what.

2256
02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:32.119
That's weird.

2257
02:06:32.319 --> 02:06:35.439
Marketing was so weird turn of the century, like when

2258
02:06:35.439 --> 02:06:37.319
the nineteen niner started, it was so weird, like and

2259
02:06:37.359 --> 02:06:43.439
everything was like consolidated biscuit mix taste, consolidated flavor biscuits

2260
02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:44.720
and stuff like did you like what?

2261
02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:45.439
Yeah?

2262
02:06:46.239 --> 02:06:49.079
People like Well, people like consolidation, they like flavor, and

2263
02:06:49.079 --> 02:06:54.960
they like biscuits. Yeah, Like that doesn't sound exciting anyway.

2264
02:06:56.039 --> 02:07:01.199
It's like in England they still have digestive biscuits, jesive biscuits.

2265
02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:02.159
Of course you do.

2266
02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:04.279
They're really could No, I actually.

2267
02:07:04.119 --> 02:07:05.920
Like them to it's the name that's funny to me. Yeah,

2268
02:07:05.960 --> 02:07:11.560
the jestive biscuits initially an autumn autumnal candy because of

2269
02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:14.920
corn's associated with harvest time. Candy. Corn later became Halloween

2270
02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:18.159
specific when trigger treating grew in popularity in the US

2271
02:07:18.239 --> 02:07:23.319
during the nineteen fifties. So that is a little rundown

2272
02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:25.960
of some of the traditions that we still celebrate that

2273
02:07:26.000 --> 02:07:29.359
we may not entirely understand. Yeah, so we're going to

2274
02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:30.920
take a quick break and when we get back. We're

2275
02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:32.680
going to talk a little bit about some horror movies

2276
02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:34.880
I saw in the theater, maybe a little bit of

2277
02:07:34.880 --> 02:07:37.520
Reddit creepiness, and wrap things up as we get ready

2278
02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:39.760
to head into spooky season and see you all again

2279
02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:43.920
right before Halloween. But we'll be back right after this.

2280
02:07:51.359 --> 02:07:55.279
All right, we're back, wrapping up this September twenty twenty

2281
02:07:55.399 --> 02:08:00.439
five edition of Monthly Spooky and No Joke. So one

2282
02:08:00.479 --> 02:08:01.760
of the things I like to talk about on the

2283
02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:05.560
last segment of the show is horror media. I've been watching,

2284
02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:09.560
whether usually ideally in the theater, but you know whatever,

2285
02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:14.199
a new horror TV series, although, man, we had we

2286
02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:17.640
were maggoty with them. For a while. We had Haunting

2287
02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:19.159
a Hill House, and then the next year we had

2288
02:08:19.199 --> 02:08:21.319
Haunting a Blind Manor, and the next year we had

2289
02:08:21.800 --> 02:08:23.760
We had so many good ones for years on years.

2290
02:08:23.760 --> 02:08:27.640
We had Midnight mass which was phenomenal, and now we

2291
02:08:27.680 --> 02:08:29.479
haven't had one in like two years. It's a bummer.

2292
02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:29.920
Damn.

2293
02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:34.560
I love those spooky series, but obviously, but it's funny.

2294
02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.920
Right before we started, I was like, I wonder, I

2295
02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:40.359
was like, oh, man, horror movies in the theater. I

2296
02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:42.680
don't think we've had any luck since the last show.

2297
02:08:42.920 --> 02:08:44.479
So then I pulled up my phone and looked at

2298
02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:47.159
my own Instagram, because I take pictures of movie stubs,

2299
02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:50.439
you know, before I go into a theater. I've seen

2300
02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:53.079
three horror movies in the theater since our last show.

2301
02:08:53.399 --> 02:08:58.680
Oh okay, so there has been no shortage of horror

2302
02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:03.319
films to watch in the theater, and the quality has

2303
02:09:04.439 --> 02:09:08.760
been overall pretty good. Actually, the first one I saw

2304
02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:13.680
was the was The Conjuring Last Rights, the final film

2305
02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:17.800
in the Conjuring series, the very popular Conjuring series which

2306
02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:24.359
features the Warrens, the famous paranormal investigators who are undoubtedly frauds,

2307
02:09:24.359 --> 02:09:27.920
but the movie version of them is super fun. In fact,

2308
02:09:27.960 --> 02:09:29.920
I'll give you one more spoil for hanging out this

2309
02:09:30.079 --> 02:09:34.199
long with us. The biggest episode of Terrifying and True

2310
02:09:34.199 --> 02:09:37.439
in October is going to be a super long deep

2311
02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:42.680
dive into what the Warrens lied about, like the Warrens

2312
02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:49.000
Factor fiction, basically super detailed. My voice already hurts imagining

2313
02:09:49.039 --> 02:09:52.319
how long it's going to take to record it, but

2314
02:09:52.359 --> 02:09:54.920
I'm really looking forward to it. But Conjuring the Last

2315
02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:57.279
Rights it had everything you like about the Conjuring movies

2316
02:09:57.600 --> 02:09:58.640
have you seen any of them.

2317
02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:00.840
I think I saw one of them.

2318
02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:03.960
Yeah, they're fun. They're fun ghost romps with like lots

2319
02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:07.680
of special effects and scares. This one delivered everything you

2320
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:10.560
would like if you like those movies, and it wrapped

2321
02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:12.399
it up in a neat bow and kind of made

2322
02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:16.079
it feel good, like positive at the end. So I

2323
02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:19.159
highly recommend if you liked any of the Conjuring movies,

2324
02:10:19.319 --> 02:10:23.000
check out The Conjuring Last Rites. The next horror film

2325
02:10:23.039 --> 02:10:28.039
I saw is called Him, and it's kind of popular.

2326
02:10:28.880 --> 02:10:30.680
It's claim to fame is that it was produced by

2327
02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:35.520
Jordan Peel, who made Get Out and Us and Nope,

2328
02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:39.239
which I like all his movies quite a bit, but

2329
02:10:39.319 --> 02:10:43.000
he was a producer on this one. And it's about

2330
02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:46.600
a football star who has to go to this training

2331
02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:49.079
camp to try and become like the biggest player in

2332
02:10:49.119 --> 02:10:52.760
the world. And something is really weird at this training camp,

2333
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:56.319
Like the medicines are questionable, the rituals are crest questionable.

2334
02:10:56.560 --> 02:11:01.319
It's really weird and creepy. I I liked it the

2335
02:11:01.359 --> 02:11:04.279
third The ending was the only thing I didn't really love.

2336
02:11:05.079 --> 02:11:09.079
I thought the ending felt really kind of unearned and odd,

2337
02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:11.000
and if the ending had been strong. It probably would

2338
02:11:11.039 --> 02:11:12.760
have been one of my top horror movies the whole

2339
02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:17.760
year because it had such an immense amount of symbolism,

2340
02:11:17.840 --> 02:11:20.399
Like the symbolism was so thick. I knew I was

2341
02:11:20.479 --> 02:11:23.960
missing things because I was like so busy looking at things.

2342
02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:25.199
I'd be like, oh my gosh, Like one of the

2343
02:11:25.239 --> 02:11:26.720
big things is that keep saying like you want to

2344
02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:28.840
be the goat the greatest of all time. And there's

2345
02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:36.520
goat symbolism everywhere, like the animal everywhere, and an immense

2346
02:11:36.520 --> 02:11:41.760
amount of biblical symbolism too, like obscene amounts of biblical symbolism.

2347
02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:43.920
So I really thought it was a fun movie. I

2348
02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:46.359
really enjoyed it, but yeah, the ending didn't quite work

2349
02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:49.840
for me. But if you like kind of weird, challenging,

2350
02:11:50.399 --> 02:11:54.159
heavy duty horror, it's really a good time. And then

2351
02:11:54.199 --> 02:11:59.680
finally I watched the latest Stephen King adaptation, The Long Walk,

2352
02:12:00.119 --> 02:12:02.960
based on his novel of the same name, which is

2353
02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:07.319
basically a story about fifty kids. Well they're adults sort of.

2354
02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:11.079
I mean they're like young men who they apply for

2355
02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:13.880
a lottery to go on what's called the Long Walk,

2356
02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:16.720
and it's where you have to walk at three miles

2357
02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:21.680
per hour until nobody else until nobody else can go.

2358
02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:26.199
Whatever doesn't stop wins, and if you stop, there's rules,

2359
02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:27.880
like you have thirty seconds to start up again. You

2360
02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:31.279
get one warning. After you hit three warnings, they shoot

2361
02:12:31.279 --> 02:12:31.960
you in the head.

2362
02:12:32.279 --> 02:12:35.640
Oh that's yeah, problem.

2363
02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:38.640
Yeah, and you you that's it, Like it's it's really good,

2364
02:12:38.720 --> 02:12:40.479
it's really interesting. I felt like it was a big

2365
02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:43.920
allegory for military service because they were all excited to

2366
02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:45.680
do it, and then the reality sets in that it's

2367
02:12:45.760 --> 02:12:47.960
really because they know that you die if you lose,

2368
02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:52.159
but the reality is harder, you know. And but they

2369
02:12:52.159 --> 02:12:54.279
make friends along the way, which again I think plays

2370
02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:56.079
to the concept of you know, how the military works,

2371
02:12:56.079 --> 02:12:59.680
because people do make lasting friendships in the military stuff.

2372
02:13:00.600 --> 02:13:03.119
And the winner gets an obscene amount of money and

2373
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:06.760
one wish granted by the bizarre totalitarian government.

2374
02:13:08.359 --> 02:13:10.800
Can the wish be that no one actually died? Can

2375
02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:12.600
it bring your friends back to life?

2376
02:13:12.920 --> 02:13:14.960
Sadly, they actually say, like it's a wish that can

2377
02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:18.359
be granted by like the government or the military.

2378
02:13:19.199 --> 02:13:22.119
Can the wish be to dissolve the long walk?

2379
02:13:23.239 --> 02:13:25.960
So apparently, so, first of all, you're not They mentioned

2380
02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:29.920
that pretty early on. No, they suggest that in the past,

2381
02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:36.239
people have died before they could win after suggesting that

2382
02:13:36.279 --> 02:13:42.119
out loud. Okay, so, but that doesn't mean that the

2383
02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:44.199
goal isn't for several of them to end the long Walk.

2384
02:13:44.239 --> 02:13:45.720
And none of them are into it by the time

2385
02:13:45.760 --> 02:13:47.800
there's down to like five of them. They all hate it.

2386
02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:49.800
They all believe this is like the most evil thing

2387
02:13:49.800 --> 02:13:52.119
you could do to anybody is put them through this. Yeah,

2388
02:13:52.119 --> 02:13:55.439
it was really good. I liked it. My only complaint

2389
02:13:55.520 --> 02:13:58.079
was one of the actors. He was really good, but

2390
02:13:58.159 --> 02:14:02.560
he had a horrible accent, so bad his accent. He

2391
02:14:02.640 --> 02:14:04.960
was doing a Southern accent, and his accent was so

2392
02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:07.800
bad that I actually turned to Dave while we were

2393
02:14:07.840 --> 02:14:10.000
watching it and I went, was I not paying attention

2394
02:14:10.119 --> 02:14:12.359
or did he not have an accent before? Because it

2395
02:14:12.359 --> 02:14:14.520
would come and go, Oh, he would all of a

2396
02:14:14.520 --> 02:14:17.760
sudden have this real long drawl and then he kind

2397
02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:20.600
of talked to some normal yeah, and it got to

2398
02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:23.239
be really distracting. And he's British, so when he said fuck,

2399
02:14:23.319 --> 02:14:25.920
I was like, oh, he's British. They all say who

2400
02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:29.479
you know. Remember if you're ever talking to somebody and

2401
02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:31.920
you're worried they're British and hiding it. Tell them to

2402
02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:36.680
say the phrase federal court order. They'll fall apart. It's

2403
02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:38.880
just impossible to fake the American accent and say federal

2404
02:14:38.920 --> 02:14:42.520
court order. Yeah. Interesting that You're welcome. That's a free

2405
02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:46.000
tip for everybody listening. But yeah, I enjoyed the long walk.

2406
02:14:46.039 --> 02:14:47.760
If you like Stephen King stories and you don't mind

2407
02:14:47.760 --> 02:14:51.319
a really dour concept, it's really fun. Before we get

2408
02:14:51.319 --> 02:14:53.199
out of your cell, is there anything creepy going on

2409
02:14:53.680 --> 02:14:55.000
in reddit land?

2410
02:14:55.880 --> 02:14:58.760
Okay? So I have this one and it's interesting because

2411
02:14:58.760 --> 02:15:02.239
that deals with Stephen King slightly. Oh okay, I mean

2412
02:15:02.279 --> 02:15:07.079
not really. But so there's this human the poster. It's

2413
02:15:07.079 --> 02:15:08.880
from Glitch in the Matrix.

2414
02:15:09.159 --> 02:15:09.520
Okay.

2415
02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:15.840
And so they were they were like texting their friend

2416
02:15:16.399 --> 02:15:18.680
and they wanted to quote a line from Stephen King's

2417
02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:20.560
book on Writing, which you know about.

2418
02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:22.279
I love that book. I've read it twice.

2419
02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:27.239
Yeah, so they went to quote. They so they like

2420
02:15:27.479 --> 02:15:31.640
couldn't remember exactly like what they wanted to quote, So

2421
02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:34.000
they opened the book to that page and found the

2422
02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:36.279
quote and everything, and then they were like, let me

2423
02:15:36.319 --> 02:15:38.079
get something to drink. So they went in the kitchen,

2424
02:15:38.199 --> 02:15:41.960
left the book open, came back ninety seconds later, book

2425
02:15:42.039 --> 02:15:45.439
is closed. So I assume when when we're talking about open,

2426
02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:47.760
we're talking about upside down open, So it can't close.

2427
02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:52.880
It's not book is closed. No, no, no, no, sorry, I'm wrong. Sorry,

2428
02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:56.680
everybody come back. Ninety seconds later, book is gone, no

2429
02:15:56.760 --> 02:16:01.119
longer on the table, okay, And so oh they're looking

2430
02:16:01.159 --> 02:16:03.520
like all over the house for it, like freaking out,

2431
02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:06.840
like I was just doing this. Eventually they just decide

2432
02:16:06.840 --> 02:16:08.359
like I'm just going to go take a walk because

2433
02:16:08.399 --> 02:16:11.600
I can't deal with this. Come back. Book is on

2434
02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:16.760
the table, closed, So they open it to the page.

2435
02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:18.720
Actually they open it and it just opens right to

2436
02:16:18.760 --> 02:16:22.319
the page that they wanted to and right next to

2437
02:16:22.359 --> 02:16:27.119
the quote let me pull this back up in in

2438
02:16:27.239 --> 02:16:29.800
blue pen in handwriting that kind of looked like their own.

2439
02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:33.600
It said you already know this, which is weird because

2440
02:16:33.639 --> 02:16:35.360
they don't write in their books.

2441
02:16:35.799 --> 02:16:36.520
Yeah, who does?

2442
02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:38.479
Yeah I don't.

2443
02:16:38.959 --> 02:16:40.920
I don't either. That is so weird.

2444
02:16:41.399 --> 02:16:44.639
Yeah. I think it's a carbon monoxide thing.

2445
02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:47.840
Honestly, Yeah, yeah, it sounded carbon monoxide. Did they post

2446
02:16:47.879 --> 02:16:51.879
a photo of the book the note? They did not see.

2447
02:16:51.920 --> 02:16:54.399
That's why not. It's so it would be so easy

2448
02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:55.000
to share.

2449
02:16:54.799 --> 02:16:57.639
That it would also be easy to fake it too, though.

2450
02:16:57.760 --> 02:17:00.280
Yeah. I mean that's kind of my point, is like

2451
02:17:01.319 --> 02:17:03.600
it feels even more sketchy that you wouldn't take the picture,

2452
02:17:03.639 --> 02:17:05.200
since even if it was fake, it wouldn't be hard

2453
02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:06.559
to fake it. Yeah.

2454
02:17:06.600 --> 02:17:08.559
I mean, I haven't gone through all of the comments,

2455
02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:12.600
but I don't see anything suggesting. Oh, this person said

2456
02:17:12.639 --> 02:17:13.959
carbon monoxide poisoning.

2457
02:17:15.639 --> 02:17:19.000
Yeah, that sounds like old carbon monoxide poisoning to me. Yeah.

2458
02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:20.200
That's creepy though.

2459
02:17:20.040 --> 02:17:22.719
Yeah, it is. It is It just like if it

2460
02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:25.280
looks like you wrote it and you don't remember writing

2461
02:17:25.319 --> 02:17:27.360
it and you couldn't find like that sounds like you

2462
02:17:27.479 --> 02:17:29.200
just you're gonna die in your house.

2463
02:17:29.600 --> 02:17:33.239
Oh yeah yeah yeah, and not like it'll be scary,

2464
02:17:33.239 --> 02:17:34.399
even not in the way you think it'll be.

2465
02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:35.200
Yeah.

2466
02:17:35.440 --> 02:17:39.680
Yeah. Well, thank you Chell for making sure we're plugged

2467
02:17:39.719 --> 02:17:42.799
in properly to the reddit hive mind for creepiness.

2468
02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:43.959
You're welcome.

2469
02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:46.600
I do appreciate that, and I appreciate all of you

2470
02:17:46.680 --> 02:17:49.840
guys listening to Monthly Spooky. We've done so many of

2471
02:17:49.879 --> 02:17:53.280
these episodes now, I think we're up to almost thirty episodes. Wow,

2472
02:17:53.680 --> 02:17:56.239
there's something really fun about wrapping up the month by

2473
02:17:56.239 --> 02:17:58.440
talking about spooky stuff with a little bit more humor

2474
02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:01.319
to it, having a good time. I really appreciate it.

2475
02:18:01.520 --> 02:18:04.120
I just appreciate you guys listening, and thank you Michelle

2476
02:18:04.120 --> 02:18:06.399
for doing the show with me. It really does mean

2477
02:18:06.440 --> 02:18:08.280
a lot to me to be able to hang out

2478
02:18:08.280 --> 02:18:09.760
with you and annoy you in a way that is

2479
02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:13.000
captured forever for posterity, instead of the way I normally

2480
02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:13.440
annoy you.

2481
02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:14.200
Yeah.

2482
02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:19.440
Yeah, And we'll be back at the end of October

2483
02:18:19.479 --> 02:18:22.200
on the twenty seventh to talk about Halloween a little

2484
02:18:22.239 --> 02:18:24.840
bit more, have some fun, and make sure you're all

2485
02:18:24.879 --> 02:18:28.280
in the spooky state of mind, because sometimes it can

2486
02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:30.639
be hard. Life can get challenging, you can end up

2487
02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:33.639
working a lot or whatever and you just lose that spirit. Well,

2488
02:18:33.680 --> 02:18:37.000
we're here to help bring it back, baby. So until

2489
02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:41.239
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2490
02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:44.760
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2491
02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:47.360
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2497
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the Finn a word. Please don't say anything mean about

2498
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2499
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Oh well, then I don't have any of our final

2500
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parts doctor, damn it