Jan. 26, 2026

Monthly Spooky | Haunted Castles & Stolen Corpses

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends

Haunted castles, ghost stories, eerie history, and true crime weirdness—this month’s Monthly Spooky with Henrique & Michelle goes full winter-night mode with paranormal legends, unsettling discoveries, and a real-life disaster shaped by brutal weather.
Inside this episode:

  • Chillingham Castle (UK): infamous haunting claims, grim history, and why it’s often called one of the most haunted places around.
  • Chillingham cattle: the strange, preserved lineage tied to the castle’s eerie reputation.
  • Mummified cheetahs in Saudi Arabia: an unsettling preservation story that feels like a nature-horror headline.
  • The Knickerbocker Theater collapse (1922): a snowstorm-fueled tragedy, the chaos of the night, and what changed afterward.
  • January horror movie roundup: what worked, what didn’t, and how modern horror “hits” (or misses) in 2026 vibes.

Plus fresh spooky news:
  • Haunted-castle headlines and why “history + tourism” is the perfect ghost-story engine.
  • Cemetery corpse heist and the human bone market rabbit hole (because of course that’s a thing).
  • A holiday-season detour into haunted dolls—and the rules people swear by when they keep them in the house.

New here? This episode stands alone—jump in for creepy history, paranormal talk, and the kind of spooky news that makes you stare at the ceiling at 2 a.m.
So… which story freaks you out most: haunted castles, stolen corpses, or snowstorm disasters?

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Haunted castles, one hundred stolen corpses, Saudi Arabia's new kind

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of mummies, and a theater collapsed by massive snowfall.

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Get comfortable turning off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky.

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Hello and welcome back. Yes, indeed, it's that time of

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the month. It's time for Monthly Spooky. Are wrapping up

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the month talk show, news show. You know, you'd think

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after two years of doing it or whatever, that I'd

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have like a better grasp on how to describe what

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we're doing.

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It's just it just doesn't. It fails description.

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The voice you're hearing is my good buddy and co

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host Michelle. Michelle, how are you?

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I mean that seems like a loaded question.

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So we are recording this it releases on Monday. Of course,

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we're recording this before this monumental winter storm that's happening.

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So we're as we're recording this, like the snow is

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going to start falling in like four or five hours

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max where I am and then eventually get to you.

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I'm guessing overnight, Yeah, overnight where we're supposed to start

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technically in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

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So yeah, I mean that's when we're expecting it to

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be serious. Although now all of a sudden they're saying

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that tonight we're gonna get like we could get one

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or three to three to five inches, and I was like, uh,

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but that's a lot considering the next day they're saying

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eight to ten, So I don't know what's going on.

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Yeah, they're doing that here too, one to three overnight

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and then eight to twelve the next day.

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Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're lucky. You know, I'm in

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scenic Dayton, Ohio, and you're outside of Philadelphia, so I'm

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not getting it doesn't look like I'm gonna get much ice.

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It looks like you're gonna get a little bit of ice. Yeah,

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because ice storms, there's no that's not you know, they're dangerous.

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So yeah, it's funny too. I've talked about ice storms

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the few people because of all this, and they're always like,

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you know, well, luckily I don't have to go anywhere,

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and I'm like, no, ice storms are dangerous because they

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knock power out, not be I mean, the roads suck too,

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but like, yeah, they can't salt the power lines, they

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can't tell because the squirrels already want to chew on them.

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You can't make it more appealing.

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No, I'm now I'm thinking why could could you? Could

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you brind them? Would that them?

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Would that be dangerous or no?

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I mean I mean the act of brining them would

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be dangerous if you if they were still plugged in?

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Why oh, because you die?

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Yeah? Why? Well, because salted water literally conducts electricity.

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How would so I guess we'd have to turn off

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the whole power grid and then brian them and then

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be fine.

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like no, no, like no parsing it out or anything.

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but it just dumps down on them.

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Like cooking spaghetti. Yeah. But I hope that if you're

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listening to this wherever you are, you're warm and safe.

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We don't know what's at this time, how this, how

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bad this is even going to be. We just know

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it's it's pretty historic. I mean, the storm is gonna

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end up being what I think I read it was

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gonna be almost two thousand miles wide.

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I mean, I didn't hear how wide it's going to be. Yeah,

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but it's huge.

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nerdery and I have a YouTube channel called Ryan Hall

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y'all that I watch, which I really recommend. He's a

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guy from Kentucky, a meteorologist, and he does independent meteorology

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and he covers wherever severe weather is. That's what he

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talks about all over America. So he so when I

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watch him tell us, like what's going on with the storm,

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I hear the whole country. Yeah, So I hear him

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say stuff like, you know, this storm is spanning this

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far apart, you know, and it's a it's pretty big.

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I think he said that he's never seen one in

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his lifetime that that that big of a front.

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So because it literally goes from like from Texas to Boston.

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Yeah, it really is.

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okay in my home front. I have a cozy time

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planned because I believe when there's a big snow, even

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though I don't anywhere to work right now, I just

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work at home, I still like kind of pretend that

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I'm stuck because I need desperately excuses to stop working.

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It was just like in passing about religion and I

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mentioned I was like, dude, the only thing that's tempted

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to be about religion is the Sabbath, like like being

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like sorry, I literally can't work or God will smote me.

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I can't, I can't, I can't. I literally can't help it.

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There's nothing I can do. That's the that's the biggest

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depeal of religion to me, is like having a guilt

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free break. So but uh, but no, So I have

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movies picked out, I have a full menu of comforting

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wintry food to prepare. One of my favorite things to

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do during big snow storms is cook. I think, well,

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I love to cook anyway, but like there's something about,

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you know, when you look outside and it's snowing and

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then you make like scrambled eggs and like flapjacks, that

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just feels awesome. I don't know, it feels good to me,

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you know.

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I guess that makes sense. Yeah, So, I.

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Mean, do you have a favorite winter comfort food, a

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thing that keeps you cozy?

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You gotta understand, I don't even know what I can

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eat anymore. So I don't have favorite any.

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You have a better idea than ever before.

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Yeah, yeah, I do, but I'm still not really sure.

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No, I mean the good news is then in the

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standard American diet, most things don't have enough fiber.

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It's true, it's true, but.

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It is tough, especially since you're vegetarian. Yeah, A lot

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of the food you that you would that you've grown

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to like eating, right being a vegetarian, is high fiber exactly. Yeah,

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So you gotta eat like a lot of white rice

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and stuff, which is great because it's all the opposite

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of like what I'm being told. I'm like, you gotta

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eat the brown rice, you gotta eat the fiber, you

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gotta eat the cruciferous vega, and some some quack talking

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to you is just like you need white rice and cheese.

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Like how both doctors are just like an angry They're

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just like an angry New Yorker for some reason. You

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can't have cheese.

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I can have cheese. I'm technically not supposed to have

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a lot of fat either, But it's like it's like

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the weirdest carbs pretty much just carbs, and.

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Luckily you're skinny, so I mean, like carbs won't hurt

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you know, I mean.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. But like also, like

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like vegetables that are like squishy, squishy vegetables.

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Are supposed to avoid them or eat them.

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No, those are okay, okay, good, Like I can eat

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a carrot if it gets you know, if you cook

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it and stuff.

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Oh oh so so as long as the fiber's been softened.

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Oh okay, But not like vegetables that have skins because

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they they're you know, so not like a pepper.

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What if you take the skin off, that's fine, Oh okay,

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I mean because a lot of times when I roast

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red peppers and stuff, you take the skin off or

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it's optional.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's different though, like if you make a

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stirfry then it's annoying as hell to get the skin

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off of pepper. So yeah, I concur Yeah, and also

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like chrysipherus vegetables.

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Now yeah, that'd be a big note.

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I feel like you could just text me and be like, hey,

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are you supposed to be eating this food? And if

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I say yes, then don't.

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Eat it exactly exactly.

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It's all high fiber, low calorie. So yeah. Chell's been

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dealing with some digestive issues and trying to get it

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all sorted out and it looks like it's just that

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you're a slow digest. Yeah.

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Sure, that's what it boils down to.

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I mean, yeah, I'm oversimplifying it because we're not gonna,

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you know, talk about it the whole show. But unless

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you want to actually you know what, you're right, shell,

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let's talk just about your medical stuff.

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Well, I do, like have I did like write a

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whole presentation so we could discuss it.

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Is that? Why you why? I saw the PowerPoint flash

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up for a second and then it went away, just

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prepping that.

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That was actually for something else. But I did make

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a power point for this too.

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Oh cool? Yeah you had the power points this year?

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Is that? Yeah, it's only twenty six. Thing is power points?

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It is? It is? I didn't. I had to like

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buy like Microsoft Office just so I could use.

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Power Yeah, I see, you're trying to explain your stomach issues.

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Can I help?

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Yeah?

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Clippy, there's a Clippy joke in the New Naked Gun

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movie that came out last year. Really, he's stuck in

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a smart car and he's like about to like it's

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gonna kill him, and then like Clippy pops up and says,

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like I see you're trying to Can I help it

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saves his life? Yay, it's clippy clippy stand up. I

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loved the New Naked Gun, but the big problem with

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it was that I would be like, man, that joke's

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so funny, and they're like, man, my back hurts because

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they were all jokes about like things that happened in

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two thousand and two and two thousand and three. So

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I'm just like, that's so funny. I should check out.

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You got to make sure I don't have sciatica getting

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her getting up there. But uh, but my menu for

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this weekend is, well, tonight's pizza, which Rachel's making because

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she likes to make pizza. Well, she likes to make

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red sauce. And I was the person who was like,

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stop only making pasta. I was one of those like,

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please make pizza, Please make lasagna, because her red sauce

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is so well, you know what I mean, like as

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opposed to like a sauce pasta. It's like I'm just

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saying because her red sauce is super super good, So

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I'm just like, please do other things with it, because

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I would love a pizza that tastes like this, and

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I'd love a lasagna that tastes like this. So she's

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gotten really into making pizzas good. So she's gonna make

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a pizza tonight. We're gonna have anchovies because it's just

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us and we can put all the fish on the

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pizza you can. And I all those Portuguese anchovies my

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mom got me, so I'm thinking I might use one

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of those. I need to check. I know it's lame,

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but like my mom went to the trouble of buying

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me all this cool Portuguese food, So I don't want

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to like take some anchovies and then not google it

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and find out like these are not the kind you'd

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want to put on pizza, Like these are specifically like

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much better for like you know, making pasta sauce or

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for eating on crackers. I just don't want to like

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waste them because they're expensive and imported.

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Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I think they'd be good

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on anything, And I think the fish would be just

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as sad to be on anything as to be on

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the other.

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If you were a fish, wouldn't you be like a

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little happy if you were on a pizza instead of like, yeah,

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the sec okay. But then to wrap up the menu, talk.

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So then Sunday, I'm gonna make eggs and bacon and

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fried biscuits for breakfast for lunch, and then I'm making

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beef stew for dinner because stew is like the best

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in a cold weather situation. Yeah, so I'm gonna make

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a big vat of beef stew. And then Monday, when

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the snow's all over, when this is airing, we're having

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I'm making roasted red pepper and tomato soup and grilled cheese. Yay,

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That's what I expression in my mind. So but with that

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all said, yeah, it'll be fun. And then I have

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a stack of movies that I want to watch and

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rewatch like a simple plan, all snow movies because I'm

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a nightmare and and I don't know why, I always

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want full immersion. I never want to escape. I'm very weird.

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So I want to watch a simple plan. I want

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to watch the new Dead of Winter movie that you

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can rent. I've heard it's very, very good and I've

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got like five or in Storm of the Century mini

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series Stephen King mini series, so uh so much. But

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I know you, you're just like, I don't care ba

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ba humbug to your blizzard fun.

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I like about snow is I get to shovel it.

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So that's all. So what's happening anyway?

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You like shoveling snow.

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I do like shoveling snow a lot, except I probably

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won't like this snow because it's gonna have a layer

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of ice on it. But maybe I could make like

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a path underneath but the ice on top. I was

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thinking about that we crawl under here.

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Yeah, that's the spirit.

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So I'm excited.

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Well, good, it's good to hear you're excited. Well, we're

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gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

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we're gonna dive in to the spooky news. And I

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almost forgot to mention. Our topic for tonight is kind

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of interesting. Uh. I'm trying to think of how to

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describe it, but it's basically the story of when a

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winter storm caused one of the deadliest disasters in Washington,

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d C. History. Wow, So we'll dive into that later

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on in the show. But when we return Spooky News,

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but not just yet, we'll be right back. We are back,

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and it's time. Shell. It's the new year. I think

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you should start the new year bye bye by tagging

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this segment so you take it on.

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I I don't, I don't know if that's a good idea.

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Why not?

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It sets a very weird expectation.

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That you'll say, like three words, yeah, you're really really

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just gonna stand. You're gonna die on this hill?

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I mean, I don't know. I mean it seems like

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it's good a hill as any to die.

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I mean, if you got to die on a hill,

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I mean, I might as well be this hill. It's

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not a bad hill. It's not a bad hill.

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Fine, something like the Spooky News thing.

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The Spooky News.

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Wow, it worked, so I guess I guess you. Uh. Well,

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we're starting our Winter Wonderland episode of Monthly Spooky by

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heading to our old standby mirror dot co dot u

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k okay and the headline reads magical in quotes village

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is home to quote most haunted castle in the United Kingdom.

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Wow.

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I feel like they should put every other word, every

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word in quotes just magical village is. Oh, it's a

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very pretty castle though.

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That's nice.

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You're like, finally a pretty castle.

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Look, all castles are pretty.

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Is this castle particularly pretty to you? Though?

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Whoops? Right, baby, I don't know. I can't.

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Oh, I'm so sorry. Well that's on me. That's on me.

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I did not set this up the way I thought

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I did. It's I'm a bad person. It's fine. It's

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a pretty castle. That was funny. I was wondering. I

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was like, why isn't she saying? I started to wonder

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if you like had some really mean words for this castle.

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No, I don't say bad things about Archett your places.

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Wow, I mean unless you just want to talk about

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awful of houses or something like you did yesterday.

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Okay, fine, I did say mean things about that house.

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That was really mean. You were just like this, what

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does this look this way?

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Yeah, that chimney is real bad. I don't I still like,

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though I don't understand, like I don't get it.

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I understand. I mean I understand that you don't understand.

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Okay.

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Uh nesseled amidst the expansive fields of Northumberland countryside lies

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a charming little village with a fascinating history and a

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storybook castle. Whoa, this is where all ghost stories should

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come from. It's called Chillingham.

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Aw.

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I mean, if ever there was a place where the

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ghost stories would come from, it would be Chillingham.

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You think so.

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Chillingham has carved out a reputation for itself due to

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two unique features. It's historic castles and its distinctive cattle

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like horses to horses sell like cows. A little bit

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of a city.

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Boy there, what do they? What makes them distinctive? Though?

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But I guess no, I don't even know how you

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what what makes any cattle distinctive? Let alone these cattle.

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They might have different patterns, There might be different colors,

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They might have different types of milk. I don't know.

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Is this where the chocolate milk comes from?

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Yeah?

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Where the chocolate milk from?

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When you were a kid, did you ever hear the

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the urban legend that chocolate milk was actually the disgusting

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milk that couldn't be used as regular milk?

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No? Actually I never heard that.

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Really, there was an urban legend or myth or whatever

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that people would pass around at the school at the

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lunch table and stuff that chocolate milk was milk that

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was rejected to be regular milk because it had too

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much like discoloration and blood in it, so then they

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would use it for the stuff that they would color

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with chocolate. You know, okay, so you wouldn't be able

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to tell. And for years I knew people who thought

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that was that was.

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True to be fair, like, I could see that, yeah,

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you know, because it is really dark and that would

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make sense to cover up like imperfections. Sure, not that

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that happens, but still, yeah.

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It makes me think of the Simpsons. When Mo shows

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up to a party, he's like, thanks for inviting me, Marge,

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I brought this bag of irregular oreos. And then when

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everybody's leaving, he looks and he's like, this one looks fine,

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and he bites and goes, Oh, but let's see if

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we can find out what makes these cattle distinctive. And

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I'm glad I only drink you Who and not chocolate milk.

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You know what's funny is you'd think I don't like sweet,

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like super sweet stuff anymore as much as I used to,

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But I still like you Who more than chocolate milk. Interesting,

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I also don't like chocolate or I also don't like

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milk that much.

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I don't like milk at all.

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I like almond milk, you know, like with a cookie

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or with cereal or what have you. I as part

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of my winter survival kit, I bought a big thing

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of double stuff Oreos and a bottle of almond milk.

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That's nice.

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It's you gotta be safe, you know in this stuff.

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I do love that. I'm like stalking up like crazy,

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as if I couldn't walk to a grocery store if

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I needed to, I mean it would be it's it's

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a mile, but it's but it's like not a long

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or not a hard mile. It's a mile with sidewalk.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I mean my grocery store is like

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a third of a mile maybe less than that from it.

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I know. So yeah, I really close.

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Yeah, I can literally walk to my grocery store mine.

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Mine is honestly about twice as far as or so.

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It might not even be a full mile, Okay, it's

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probably more like point eight miles or point nine miles.

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And I have two grocerri stores because I have a

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Mire and a Kroger across the street from each other.

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So if one of them's out of everything. You can

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go to the other one.

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And they can also be out of all of this.

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Yeah.

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I still I can't believe that that's lasted, because like

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it's been I think I read it's been that for

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forty five years that there's been a Meyer and a

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Kroger across the street from each other there.

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Wow.

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So I guess it just there's just the right amount

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of population, hm, because the Kroger just expanded a couple

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of years back in the Myers getting ready to do

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that now too.

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Well, they got to keep up with each other.

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Well yeah, and the Walmart that's like a mile and

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a half down the road. So but anyway, let's let's

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talk about this cattle. Okay, why you distracted me. The

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village boasts what is believed to be the UK's most

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haunted castle, Chillingham Castle. A little on the nose, but

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it's Chillingham. I wonder if that's how you say it,

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how they say it over there, if they have some other,

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like some British pronunciation that I'm not thinking of, like

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Scott scott Castle. Wait, that doesn't make any sense. It's

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spelled chillihim Ah. It does make the kings I, which

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traces its roots back to the twelfth century, as it

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was fully FOURTIF in thirteen forty four.

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Wow.

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The renowned estate has remained within the same family lineage

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since its inception and continues to be private property. Okay,

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I gotta call bunk not on the family being the

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same lineage. No, I gotta call bunk on if this

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is the most haunted castle in all of the UK,

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how is the family fine alive and still there.

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Well, you're not. You're not taking this the right way.

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Just because it's haunted doesn't mean they're bad ghosts. Maybe

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it's there because it's their family members. Obviously we don't

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know who's haunting it, but probably I mean probably or

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some just it sounds like it would be drifters, but

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like maybe they just like hang out with them and stuff.

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I'm just saying, like usually when you hear about these

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haunted estates, there's like tragedies and like the family that

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found it they're all dead now.

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Well they are all dead now.

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Not all of them, because there's still people who own it.

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I'm saying, like of the lineage, you know, Okay, yeah,

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because I'm just saying like I always hear these stories

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about like haunted estates is like this super wealthy family

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in nineteen ten, you know, all their kids died and

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then the mom went you know mad and got committed

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and died in an asylum. And then the guy got

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you know, syphilis in his eyes and exploded, and you're like, WHOA, no,

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wonder the place is haunted. Yeah, but with this, it's like,

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this place is so haunted. My entire family going back

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to like the thirteen hundreds has lived here. It's like, wow,

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sounds like it's been really rough living there.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm just I you.

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Know, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I'm right,

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although I always feel like I'm right, which is probably

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a problem the renowned estate has. Oh sorry I read

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that part. For those daring enough to venture inside, the

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torture Chamber and nocturnal ghost tours are bound to leave

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you with some hair raising memories. Wait, there's a torture chamber.

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See, so it's not like there wasn't horrible thing that

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happened there.

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The monsters.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

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They still own it. Yeah, because that's a wonderful story. Yeah,

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was like their family were sadistic murderers and now they're

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just rich people with a castle. Yeah, it's oh good.

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That's the part I didn't want to find out.

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Yeah, and they just hear the screams of the people

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they killed all the time.

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It just helps them sleep at night. Yeah, they're like, ah,

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that's why this bed is so comfy, is because of

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all those deaths.

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Yeah.

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Oh wow. It's thought to have had over one hundred

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spirits spotted within its grounds. Wow, a testament to its

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rich history. Documented paranormal activity includes hearing strange voices, footsteps,

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and even sightings of moving objects, so much so that

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keen ghost hunters and paranormal enthusiasts choose to spend the

465
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night or conduct their own ghost hunting within the castle.

466
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.759
Yeah they do that.

467
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:04.559
I mean it would be it would be weird if

468
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.400
they're like, we're gonna ghost hunt like fifteen miles away

469
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.599
from the castle. That's how so haunted. Yeah, it's so

470
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.920
damn haunted. You don't understand. It's maggotty with ghosts. They're

471
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:20.119
all from Boston. Yeah, all the ghosts in the UK.

472
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.240
We have from New England. Pal, we're gonna take a

473
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.039
quick break and we'll get back. We're going to try

474
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.400
and figure out what the hell is going on with

475
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.359
Chillingham Castle, where all these ghosts came from, and more importantly,

476
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.799
what's up with the cattle. Yeah yeah, which, by the way,

477
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.000
thanks a lot. This is like impossible to read out

478
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.319
loud back to back the Chillingham Castle and cattle. Thanks,

479
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.079
that's not confusing. But we'll get to that when we return.

480
00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.960
Don't worry, Chelle, We're going to get to the bar

481
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.200
bottom of the Chillingham Castle cattle.

482
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.960
I don't think they're going to tell us actually.

483
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:09.480
Knowing Mirror dot code dot UK and the fact that

484
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:14.200
I've had multiple English listeners write in and say the

485
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.039
Mirror dot code at UK is horrible makes me think

486
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.480
you might be right. Damn. While it is free to

487
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.079
explore the grounds, Chillingham Castle provides travelers with the opportunity

488
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:31.599
to stay in an authentic medieval fortress. They spell medieval weird.

489
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:38.400
They do media evil, media evil medieval. That might be

490
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:44.720
better than how we spelled it's it's often it's offer offers.

491
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.119
It offers a selection of courtyard apartments, a stay in

492
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.599
the tower, and even a night in the old coaching rooms.

493
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:59.759
Oh thank you for that. Recent guests have raved about

494
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:08.359
their visits on trip Advisor. Read about us on trip advisor.

495
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:10.359
Uh.

496
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:16.119
One visitor wrote quote, our stay at Chillingham Castle was

497
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:22.640
absolutely incredible from start to finish. What were you gonna say, Chillingam?

498
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:29.440
The castle itself is breathtaking, steeped in history and beautifully preserved.

499
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.400
And the ghost tour was a genuine highlight engaging at

500
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.000
miss it says highlight, dash engaging, highlight.

501
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.839
The eager engaging.

502
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:47.160
I guess highlight engaging comma, atmospheric comma and wonderfully done. Okay,

503
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.839
okay fine. Another guest added quote, we stayed at the

504
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.880
castle for two nights in the dairy apartment. Whish it

505
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.400
was to think it was just made of cheese. Yeah,

506
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.240
as we were doing a paranormal investigation on the friday.

507
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.319
The castle is magnificent. The staff are super friendly and

508
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.559
couldn't do enough for us. It was like stepping back

509
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.359
in time. Oh that sounds horrible because there was torture there.

510
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:14.720
Yeah, what are you talking about?

511
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.079
Although the spirits weren't interacting as much as we'd like,

512
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.799
the energy and atmosphere was certainly haunting.

513
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:24.039
Ah.

514
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.519
Well, what do you think of this so far?

515
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.039
Well? I mean i'd like to not be an ad

516
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.039
for going to this castle. But besides, yeah, yeah.

517
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:45.440
That's miridak kodak uk in a in a nutshell. Oh

518
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.799
so I just saw the wild cattle. Oh they are

519
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:54.079
furry and have big horns that go up a little

520
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:55.880
and they have black noses in white fur.

521
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:01.200
Oh they're white cattles. Okay, so I.

522
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:07.319
Guess that's part of it. Yeah. Alongside Chillingham Castle stands

523
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:13.119
the equally renowned Chillingham Cattle, a wild herd that has

524
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:18.960
roamed the village following centuries of strict inbreeding. I have

525
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.519
so many mean jokes about the uk I could say

526
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.400
at once from that. I'm just not gonna say any

527
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.119
of them. It's like the three stooges, but they're all

528
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.960
trying to get through the doorway at the same time.

529
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.720
The herd originated when approximately ninety animals were enclosed during

530
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:39.599
the Middle Ages and have continued breeding within these grounds

531
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:44.519
ever since. Yep's what's the yep?

532
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:46.480
That just sounds not great?

533
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.839
But sure, okay fine. As of twenty twenty two, the

534
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.799
herd is believed to comprise one hundred and thirty eight animals,

535
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:59.640
split evenly between males and females. What makes them extraordinary

536
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:05.759
is their completely untouched nature, left to breed, live and

537
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:11.240
die in their natural habitat without human intervention, rendering them

538
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.480
exceptionally rare.

539
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.359
Okay, I mean if I go there and if I

540
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.599
touch one of them, does that ruin everything?

541
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:19.880
You ruined it? They have to just kill them all

542
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:20.400
and start over.

543
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:27.200
Okay, just wanted to be sure, as you're like buying

544
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.000
a plane ticket and gently stroking your passport.

545
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:38.839
Thanks to the idea mirror dot co dot uk uh,

546
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.599
the animals are widely regarded as a scientific marvel, since

547
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.359
inbreeding throughout history typically leads to extinction. Again too many

548
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.119
UK jokes, Yet they continue to thrive in the very

549
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.920
same grounds of Chillingham Park.

550
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:01.240
Maybe they're ghosts, ghost cattle. Yeah, they're white, right, so

551
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.480
maybe they're ghosts.

552
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:08.039
The haunted cattle by the haunted castle. Yeah, shells, seashells

553
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:08.960
down by the seashore.

554
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.440
Pretty much.

555
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:16.039
What sets them apart is their behavior, as it's entirely natural,

556
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.599
providing us with additional insight into the lives of animals

557
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.799
that may have preceded them. We can also gain knowledge

558
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:30.200
about the spontaneous behaviors of animals not influenced by humans. Yeah,

559
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.000
that's just where it ends. Okay, that I mean in

560
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.839
Mirra Dakkoda Uka's defense, that wasn't even a good commercial. No, like,

561
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.119
it barely told us anything about it it is, I

562
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.319
mean it did, but it didn't.

563
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.480
Like, I still don't know what happened in the castle

564
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:47.000
that would make it that haunted.

565
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.720
No, they never explained a single thing about it.

566
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.160
Yeah, but I know I can't.

567
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.759
That's kind of bummer. Yeah, you can't cause all the

568
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:58.920
cows to die. Yeah, I need to know why it's haunted.

569
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.160
Let's uh. Lady Berkeley was abandoned at the castle with

570
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.960
only her baby daughter for company. The rustle of her

571
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.920
dress is sometimes heard as her invisible revenant sweeps along

572
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.200
the rambling corridors, searching for her husband and leaving a

573
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.720
cold chill, not to mention unsettled witnesses in her ghostly wake.

574
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.799
Okay, that's something.

575
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:28.480
That's from a great dashcastles dot com. Hmmm, so wow.

576
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.880
I mean they couldn't even give us that. They were

577
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:32.599
just like, eh, you don't need any of it. I

578
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.319
mean there's a Wikipedia page for it.

579
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:35.519
Yeah.

580
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.119
Oh, it was originally a see you're not code at UK.

581
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.599
The castle was originally a monastery in the late twelfth century. Okay,

582
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.839
in twelve ninety eight, King Edward the First stayed at

583
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.559
the castle on his way to Scotland to battle a

584
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.839
Scottish army led by William Wallace. A glazed window and

585
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.799
a frame was specially installed for the king, a rarity

586
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.920
in such buildings at the time. The castle was occupied

587
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.359
as a strategically important location in mid Evil times. It

588
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.440
was located on the border between two feuding nations. It

589
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.480
was used as a staging post for the English armies

590
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.880
entering Scotland, but was also repeatedly attacked and besieged by

591
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.000
Scottish armies and raiding parties heading south. The site contained

592
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.200
a moat and in some locations the fortifications were twelve

593
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:26.200
feet thick. Wow that's really thick. Yeah wow yeah. So

594
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.000
they're so yeah, there's like all this interesting stuff and

595
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.480
they didn't include like any of that. They were like, anyway,

596
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:39.160
there's some whaling, but let's talk about these cows. So wow.

597
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.839
This says that the estate was broken up and sold

598
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:44.960
in nineteen eighty.

599
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:49.200
Though, well I would believe them over mured At UK.

600
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.400
So yeah. This this suggests that the current owners are

601
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.000
not related to the people who owned it before.

602
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.039
Yeah, I mean, especially yea, please please, especially since we

603
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.720
know there was a monastery in the beginning. So I

604
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.640
don't think there's just like one chain of title all

605
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.680
the way through nothing. Oh sure anymore.

606
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.200
The current owners market the castle as being the most

607
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.480
haunted castle in Britain. It has been visited by the

608
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.440
Most Haunted TV show. Most famous ghost of the castle

609
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.160
is the Blue or Radiant Boy, who, according to the owners,

610
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.680
used to haunt the pink room in the castle HM.

611
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.039
In nineteen eighty seven, the castle was used as a

612
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.720
filming location for the film Elizabeth. As of twenty twenty,

613
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.599
sections of the castle are open to the public, including

614
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.240
for late night ghost tours, and eight apartments within the

615
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.799
castle and its outbuildings are available for holiday rentals. Oh.

616
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.400
During the Second World War it was used as an

617
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.079
army barracks. Wow yeah, man, Mirror dot Cota UK. I

618
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.319
like stick it out with them because they never disappoint

619
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.759
in always disappointing.

620
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.519
Yeah. Yeah.

621
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000
So with that said, we're going to take a quick

622
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.079
break and when we get back, we're going to talk

623
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.480
about a mummy of a different kind. Right after this

624
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.320
we are back and chill. Would it be safe to

625
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:17.400
say you are indeed a cat person half cat half

626
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.480
person exactly.

627
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.079
Yeah, I mean that last time I went to the doctors,

628
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:22.960
that's what they said.

629
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.119
So you're lucky. Last time I went to the doctor,

630
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.079
the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed.

631
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.559
Oh yeah. I don't tell my doctors about everything I

632
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.000
do in private like you do.

633
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:41.480
So when I used to practice fire eating all the time,

634
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.480
I like burned my mouth once and they were like,

635
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.159
did you ever go to a doctor over it? In someone,

636
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.719
I was like, what are they gonna say. They're just

637
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.760
gonna say no more monkeys jumping on the bed. They're

638
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.920
not gonna be like you should use this solve for

639
00:34:53.000 --> 00:35:02.719
while you're putting fire in your mouth, dummy. Anyway, Uh, well,

640
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.199
this is kind of a kiddi cat story.

641
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:06.199
Oh.

642
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:13.280
Ancient mummified cheetahs found in Saudi caves shed light on history.

643
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.480
I mean, yeah, I don't know why they're being mummified.

644
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.920
So it's from the Huffington Post. Researchers ask excavated seven mummies,

645
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.360
along with the bones of fifty four other cheetahs, from

646
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.079
a site near the city of urr or a rar.

647
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.840
I'm gonna surew you say it? Yeah, So apparently there

648
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:40.920
are mummified cheetahs. Huh yeah. Scientists have uncovered the mummified

649
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.360
remains of cheetahs from caves in northern Saudi Arabia. The

650
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.280
remains range from one hundred and thirty years old to

651
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.440
over eighteen hundred years old.

652
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:59.280
Wow. Yeah, it's a long time to be mummified, and cheetahs.

653
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.840
To be mummified, and cheetah? Is that what you said?

654
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.960
No, I said cheetahs.

655
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:08.599
Okay, do you know if i'd ant cheetahs? Separate thoughts,

656
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.480
but I believe that there remains. Oh sorry, research one

657
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.599
am I oh oh, I literally lost my place. There

658
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.119
we go. Mummification prevents decay by preserving dead bodies. Egypt's

659
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.920
mummies are the most well known, but the process can

660
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.840
also happen naturally in places like glacier ice, desert sands,

661
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.599
and bog sludge. Which wasn't that like before you went

662
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.119
with Michelle Antisocial? Wasn't that your first stage name, bog sludge?

663
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.480
I don't know why I changed it. That's such a

664
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:40.639
great stage name.

665
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:47.599
Honestly, I think it's kind of perfect. It is, though

666
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.880
bog sludge. It's great to because it's kind of like

667
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.679
it's reminiscent of bog skags or bog skags, but it's not,

668
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:02.880
obviously but bog sludge. The new large cat mummies have

669
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:09.119
cloudy eyes and shriveled limbs, resembling dried out husks. I

670
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.840
mean it'd be weird for the like the the cheetah

671
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.440
mummies are like absolute swollen chads that look refreshed and

672
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:21.280
alive right this moment. In fact, one bit me. It's

673
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.119
something that I've never seen before, said Jean Madurell Malapierra

674
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.400
with the University of Florence in Italy, who was not

675
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.119
involved with the discovery.

676
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:32.280
Oh he's just some.

677
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:39.760
Guy and was not talking about the topic. Researchers aren't

678
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.440
sure exactly how these new cats got mummified. Are they

679
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:48.079
really that new one thirty years up to whatever? But

680
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.480
the cave's dry conditions and stable temperature could have played

681
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.559
a role, according to the new study published Thursday in

682
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.719
the Journal of Communications, Earth and Environment. They also don't

683
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.800
know why so many cheetahs were in the caves. That's

684
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.199
a good point. I don't think they're Cheetah's cave dwellers generally.

685
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.960
I don't know cats do like? Sorry, I asked, can

686
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.400
find spaces?

687
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:23.760
Geez, excuse me all the hell, I'm sorry. It could

688
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.119
have been a denning site where mothers birthed and raised

689
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.480
their young. Scientists have uncovered the rare mummified remains of

690
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:38.039
other felines, including a saber toothed cat cub in Russia.

691
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.840
Would you would you want a saber toothed cat?

692
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.239
Sure? Sure, I want a cat.

693
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.039
Just let the other party I want to you have

694
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:50.400
a cat? Most of a cat?

695
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.119
I do have most of a cat.

696
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.360
I would say the vast majority of a cat.

697
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:00.480
Yeah, pretty much percent of a cat. Maybe that's fair.

698
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:08.000
Yeah, Scientists, it's uncommon for large mammals to be preserved

699
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.639
to this degree. Besides being in the right environment, the

700
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.880
carcasses also have to avoid becoming a snack for hungry

701
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:20.559
scavengers like birds and hyenas. To find such intact evidence

702
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.280
of cheetahs that lived long ago in this part of

703
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.880
the world is quote entirely without precedent. Study author Ahmed

704
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.760
Bouje with the National Center for Wildlife in Saudi Arabia

705
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.960
said in an email, hmm, I didn't think about that

706
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.199
before like, you know, obviously, there are two things that

707
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.079
are true about weekly or about monthly spooky. Number one,

708
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.280
we're reading stories to have fun and at least somewhat.

709
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:53.920
And number two, we are not smart in any way. Yeah,

710
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.880
I mean you're college educated, but you know, yeah, sorry

711
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.800
to call you out. It's okay, but I didn't think

712
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.840
about that before. But the reason this is especially big

713
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.840
news is they've literally never found a big cat like

714
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.480
this preserved totally mummified.

715
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.159
Yeah, because you would think something would have eaten it before. Then.

716
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.519
That's yeah, that is really strange. Maybe this is like

717
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.800
a maybe this is their kind of like tombs, and

718
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.079
it's guarded by other cheetahs.

719
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.039
Who stopped a little while ago.

720
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.559
Yeah. Yeah, I mean eventually they were like this is stupid,

721
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.920
and they were like, now, I'm assuming that's how they sound.

722
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.199
Maybe they probably do not sound like that. Cheetah's once

723
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.639
roamed across most of Africa and parts of Asia, but

724
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.119
now live in just nine percent of their previous range

725
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.119
and haven't been spotted across the Arabian Peninsula for decades.

726
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:53.079
That's likely due to habitat loss, unregulated hunting, and lack

727
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.199
of prey, among other factors. I mean, why are they

728
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.199
hunting them? I mean just to because they're dangerous.

729
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.440
Or actually cheetahs are not very dangerous.

730
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.840
Yeah yeah, what what scale like Like it's like, on

731
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.400
a scale of one to ten, how dangerous is a cheetah?

732
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.000
Not very dangerous? They don't really kill people cheetahs.

733
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.719
Okay, So like a two? A two? Okay, So what

734
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.800
is like a house cat?

735
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.239
Like a five?

736
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.840
Okay? I see you and I have very similar opinions

737
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.400
about house cats, which I appreciate.

738
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.679
Yeah, Like, if a house cat was the size of

739
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.559
a cheetah, it would just eat you. But a cheetah

740
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.840
is the size of a cheetah and it's not eating you.

741
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:47.519
So hmm okay, Yeah, honestly, I agree with you. That's

742
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.920
the worst part. She's out of line, but she's right.

743
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.599
In a first for naturally mummified large cats, scientists were

744
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.559
also able to peek at the cheetah's jeans and found

745
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.920
that there were most similar to modern day cheetahs from

746
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.199
Asia and Northwest Africa. That information could help with future

747
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.360
efforts to reintroduce the cats to places they no longer live. Okay,

748
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.960
is that a good idea? Like if they if they

749
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.199
aren't there at all, Like why put them there again?

750
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.639
It seems like it's not a good habitat for them anymore.

751
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.280
It's my point, Well, if they were like hunted to extinction,

752
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.880
then that's that's an US problem.

753
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.360
Yeah, But the problem is it's not an US problem.

754
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.239
It's like all of the different governments and cultures that

755
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.239
are like in that region. That's my point is like

756
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.760
it just sounds like it's not hospitable. I'm not saying

757
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.760
like they deserve to be hunted. I'm saying, can we

758
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.079
make everybody agree to stop killing them?

759
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.679
Yeah? Maybe we should just leave them where they are.

760
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.320
Maybe we should, Yeah, maybe we should concentrate on them

761
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.119
doing you know, having more population where they are. But

762
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.559
I again, I don't know stuff. I could be completely wrong.

763
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.480
It just worries me because it's like if they were

764
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.239
like rushed out of a place, like, will it be

765
00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.920
beneficial to put them back there?

766
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.840
Yeah, but at least they could see they're dead again.

767
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.760
Actually they probably took them out of that cave.

768
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.559
Likely Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also like if they

769
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.920
were hunted, Like to me, the way this made it

770
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.360
sound was like they're not there anymore. That's what makes

771
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.920
me feel weird. If they were like, oh, the population's decimated,

772
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.519
it like, yeah, let's bump the numbers back up. But

773
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.760
if they're gone, I would say, like just move on. Yeah,

774
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.079
Like it's probably not good for them unless they but

775
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.920
it could be about like them providing you know, balance

776
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.639
to the nature stuff, or that could be too.

777
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.519
Yeah, it could be helpful, beneficial for the ecosystem to

778
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:35.960
have them.

779
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.280
Yeah. The Associated Press Health and Science Department received support

780
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.320
from the Howard Oh wait, that's sorry. That was That

781
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.800
was a weird end to the article. It was just

782
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.159
to places they no longer live. I assumed there was

783
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.800
a little bit more to it about like what they

784
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.599
were going to do for that, but no, Well thanks

785
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:59.880
a lot, Huffington Post cheese. Well, I hope the folks

786
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.079
listening to this are you know, have electricity and are

787
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:08.239
warm and they're enjoying a little spooky fun because things

788
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.840
are gonna get chilling when we get back, because this

789
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:14.000
next story might be harder to make fun of, although

790
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.280
Chill will probably find a way because she's in a

791
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.320
cruel mood because a body was found at a missing

792
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.960
woman's home and it's opened up kind of a dark

793
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.599
chain of events, So we'll be talking about that right

794
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:41.719
after this, and we're back now heading to people dot

795
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.840
com while Michelle yawns rudely in my face. Now you're not,

796
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:48.679
are you really?

797
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.880
I mean, I'm a little sad that I did it.

798
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:58.880
Yeah. Yeah. A body was found at a missing woman's

799
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.000
home and now how her son and daughter in law

800
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.199
are in custody? Uh oh yeah, yeah, this seems a

801
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.320
little strange. Unidentified human remains were found in a makeshift

802
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.400
backyard grave at the home of an elderly Mississippi woman

803
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.920
who had gone missing, and now her son and daughter

804
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.039
in law are charged in connection with the case. Authority said.

805
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.320
Yeah.

806
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.360
On Monday, December twenty second, the Jackson Police Department put

807
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.480
out a missing persons alert for Carol Ryan eighty one

808
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.280
after a family member reported that she had not been

809
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.559
heard from for several months. The man who reported her

810
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.199
missing said Carol Ryan was supposed to be at a

811
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.880
nursing home in Brandon, but he had not been able

812
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:48.559
to locate her, police said in the announcement. On Monday night,

813
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.199
Jackson Police obtained a search warrant for Karen Ryan's home

814
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.039
or Carol Ryan's home. Chief Tyree Jones told reporters at

815
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.519
the scene on Tuesday, December twenty third. Jones told reporters

816
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:03.320
that evidence led investigators to bring in excavators and other machinery,

817
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.639
which then led to the discovery of unidentified human remains

818
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:08.400
that were buried in the backyard.

819
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.559
I wonder what the evidence was like, was there like

820
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.760
a grave there that said like, this is where we

821
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.000
buried the body. So they're like, I guess we have

822
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:16.599
to excavate.

823
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.519
I mean, you know, I don't know this. This seems

824
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.760
weird because like the headline sounds simple until you break

825
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.320
it down and then you're like, wait, what there was

826
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:29.840
a graveyard in the backyard.

827
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.360
I guess maybe they could have brought in like one

828
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.119
of those cadaver dogs that like can I don't know

829
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.239
why they would bring that, but maybe they did, and

830
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.239
they were like it's under the ground.

831
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.880
Yeah, he said, the remains were wrapped in a wait.

832
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.159
Oh yeah, We're wrapped in a tarp and buried in

833
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.039
a grave that was six to eight feet deep and

834
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:55.960
contained concrete. Oh wow, that's that's being dedicated to the job.

835
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:57.599
Yeah.

836
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.239
Authorities believe Carol Ryan may have disappeared from the home

837
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.159
where she lived with her son and daughter in law.

838
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.159
Jones said the body had allegedly been buried in the

839
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:10.599
backyard quote long before Carol Ryan was reported missing.

840
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.079
Yeah. Yeah.

841
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.719
On Wednesday, December twenty fourth, ah Christmas Eve, the Jackson

842
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.400
Police Department issued a press release saying that John Ryan, fifty,

843
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.599
and his wife, Samantha Ryan, forty eight, had been arrested

844
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.239
and charged with desecration of a human corpse. The Clarion

845
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840
Ledger reports Carol Ryan will continue to be classified as

846
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.920
a missing person until the remains they unearthed are conclusively identified.

847
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.800
John Ryan is being held on a one hundred thousand

848
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.719
dollars bond and Samantha Ryan is being held on a

849
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.159
seventy five thousand dollars bond, according to the online jail records.

850
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.679
More charges are possible. Jones said it is unclear whether

851
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.800
the suspects have retained attorneys who can speak on their behalf.

852
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.960
The Jackson Police Department did not immediately respond to people's

853
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:59.599
request for information. So just there was an unrelated grave

854
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.639
and there was concrete involved, Like it was like like a,

855
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.320
I mean, that's a lot of effort. Yeah, it was

856
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:07.280
dug very deep.

857
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.480
Yeah, but the whole desecration of a human corpse. Thing

858
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:16.000
has really got me too, because that's not murder. So

859
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.000
I don't really know, like who was this person? Did

860
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.079
they dig up a body from another grave and then

861
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.719
mess with it and then put then bury it in

862
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:25.039
the bag?

863
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.800
I think burying human remains without the proper permitting is desecration.

864
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.639
Oh okay, I think so I could be wrong, but

865
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.800
that is a that's very strange because you know, there

866
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:46.079
are family funeral plots and or family cemeteries rather that

867
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.840
are on private property and stuff that if they're old enough,

868
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.960
it's like, you know, like an old car. It's like, oh,

869
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.320
this car is too old. You don't have to have

870
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.960
seat belts if you buried them long ago back then

871
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.760
you don't need the permits, right, So they'll have to

872
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.199
when the body was buried, how the person died. So

873
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.159
I'm guessing that they're just holding them on what they

874
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.719
can hold them for, which is desecration, because there's no

875
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.239
evidence they did anything to the body, but they were

876
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.880
in possession with it. There's no evidence they killed the person.

877
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.000
All they have is evidence that the body was you know,

878
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:19.719
handled improperly.

879
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.880
I mean, I would assume it's not like super super

880
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.480
old because the whole I mean, the whole thing about

881
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.199
like it's buried in concrete. Like it just doesn't sound normal.

882
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.559
It doesn't sound like a normal, just grave thing. Yeah,

883
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.440
I mean I would do it, but that doesn't mean

884
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.360
that it's normal.

885
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.760
No, no, no. Unlike most of your choices, which are

886
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.199
extremely normal, this one a bit off the beaten path,

887
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:51.400
so to speak. Well, oh no, there's a comment section

888
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.599
I don't want to know. Oh well, the first comment

889
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.719
just says Republicans.

890
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.599
I don't know what that means.

891
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:08.320
In this context. I don't either. One of the comments

892
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:11.840
sounds like she's one of those conspiracy theory believers. To me,

893
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:18.639
are they responding to somebody else? Oh no, I yeah,

894
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:26.199
that doesn't make any sense. Wow. Let me guess they

895
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.719
were cashing her social Security checks because the woman that's missing,

896
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.199
I'm guessing. Then somebody just says maga with an exclamation point,

897
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.440
and I have no idea if that's a negative exclamation

898
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:37.800
or a positive exclamation.

899
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:39.760
I don't know.

900
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.679
Oh, thank goodness, Okay, there's some sanity at people dot com.

901
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.960
The next comment is, oh, for heaven's sake, nothing, this

902
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:53.960
has nothing to do with politics. And then somebody comments

903
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.639
unthan said, oh, whatever, we both know who they'd vote for.

904
00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.119
What is happening?

905
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.159
I don't know. I usually I usually don't look at

906
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:04.679
the comments, but I was like, this is such a

907
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:06.760
bizarre and short article. I was like, Okay, what are

908
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:07.559
people saying?

909
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.920
Yeah, I'm not saying anything, apparently.

910
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.519
And then a lot of people are commenting on their

911
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.519
mug shots, which they do look a little on the

912
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.360
rough end of the spectrum.

913
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.400
What so, Like, if I had a mug mug shot,

914
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.320
I'm sure I wouldn't look not rough in it, Like

915
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:24.119
what do you want?

916
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.719
They do kind of look like they might be drug abusers.

917
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:33.880
Okay, maybe, or maybe they just they were just crying

918
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.719
a lot because they were just arrested for.

919
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.920
A second, or maybe they're just ugly, Like yeah, they're

920
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:41.760
just ug Oh.

921
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.760
Is that a crime?

922
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.000
Is that a crime? Because it should be. I'm running

923
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.760
for office right now. I'm so glad that you're ready

924
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.639
to go. I mean, there was that one presidential campaign

925
00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:01.159
you ran, which was very fun to question you in debate.

926
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.360
That was a few years back.

927
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.239
Yeah, yeah, I'm.

928
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.519
The old show. The show is awkward. So well, we're

929
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:10.360
going to take a real quick break and when we

930
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.119
get back. Don't worry, Celle. We're heading back to the

931
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.039
world of real estate because I know how much you

932
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:22.760
enjoy houses and buildings. We're heading to Venice, where there's

933
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:39.440
nine bedrooms and seven untimely deaths. Right after this, we

934
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.480
are back with some more spooky news, and Chell brought

935
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.679
some other spooky news to my attention, which we've added

936
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.639
to the queue for this month. But we'll get to

937
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.039
that in a minute, because for now, we're heading to Venice.

938
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:54.880
Yay.

939
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.880
You like Venice, right.

940
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.480
I mean in theory. I've never been there, but I

941
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.000
like and I like really bad smelling cities, so it

942
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:03.679
sounds right.

943
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.400
Now. Do you like water as much as these buildings?

944
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.440
I love them. Look at them. They're just sitting in

945
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:12.920
the water.

946
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:14.800
The water is like up to the door.

947
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:16.519
Yeah, they just.

948
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:20.280
Doesn't the water get in the house.

949
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.199
No, because I don't think they use those floors, or

950
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:25.840
maybe they do. I don't know how.

951
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.320
What's going on?

952
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.639
Yeah?

953
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:38.400
Uh, nine bedrooms, seven untimely deaths can cursed Venice Palace

954
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.880
finally attract a buyer.

955
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.559
I'll take it. Jeez.

956
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.480
Uh, well, wait to hear what they're asking. It ought

957
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:50.880
to be an estate agents stream primely positioned. Uh oh,

958
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.679
this is The Guardian, by the way dot com primary

959
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.440
positioned on the banks of the Grand Canal in Venice,

960
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.760
just steps away from the Peggy Guggenheim collection. The story

961
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.960
did Cadario has shimmered on the water since the late

962
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:10.079
fifteenth century. Its elegant Early Venetian Renaissance facade among the

963
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:16.519
cities most distinctive, named after its owner, Giovanni Dario, a

964
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.920
diplomat hailed a hero after securing a peace treaty with

965
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.679
the Ottoman Empire. Over the centuries, the palazzo has been

966
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:29.039
home to nobles, merchants, and even British Rock Royalty. Okay,

967
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.960
maybe the idols lived there back in the nineties.

968
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.079
Your children, Yes, yeah.

969
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.320
In nineteen eight. Oh wait, and they're just idols, right, yes,

970
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:43.159
not the In nineteen oh eight, it was painted by

971
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.440
Claude Monet during his trip to Venice, and one year

972
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.840
later was cited by Henry James in his travelogue Italian Hours.

973
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.639
I'll show you the Monet. It sure looks like a mone.

974
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.159
It does look like a Monae.

975
00:54:56.239 --> 00:55:00.000
Way, yep, that's a mone. Hey, it must be the moment.

976
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.920
But the sprawling building which comes with nine bedrooms eight bathrooms, Wow,

977
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.280
almost as many bathrooms as bedrooms.

978
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.199
Weird, I mean, and grand.

979
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:16.960
Reception rooms filled with frescoes. Has proved stubbornly difficult to sell,

980
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.800
and not necessarily because buyers have been spooked by its

981
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:32.760
price tag, a reported seventeen point four million pounds fine

982
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.400
A state what I mean? Now you don't want it?

983
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.320
No, I don't want it anymore. But why I can't

984
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.400
afford seventeen million pounds?

985
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.239
You don't know that. You don't even know how much

986
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:44.599
that is.

987
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.079
I don't, but I think I can't afford it anyway?

988
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:48.760
Very heavy.

989
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:50.519
Yeah.

990
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.360
Estate agents have struggled to overcome its reputation as quote

991
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.800
Venice's cursed Palace, owing to a string of owners and

992
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:05.480
guests who met untimely and in some cases, violent deaths.

993
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.559
I mean, you'd hope, so hope.

994
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.679
So I mean, if they're not violent, who even cares?

995
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:11.679
Exactly?

996
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.760
Yeah, car with a bang or a boom or whatever.

997
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:25.719
A new sound makes, a new mased now freshly renovated.

998
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.400
The sale of Cadadio has been given another push. The

999
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.119
challenge entrusted to the Venice unit of Christie's International Real

1000
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:40.559
Estate and Angle and vulcars or volt cares. Christie's describes

1001
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:46.519
the building as a quote architectural gem boasting Gothic arches,

1002
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:54.400
antique Morano chandeliers and a loja terrace. I don't know

1003
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.480
what a lot of that means, while while noting its

1004
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:02.840
location in a quote peaceful Venetian neighborhood, tucked away from

1005
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.679
the crowds.

1006
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.559
Yeah again, I'd buy it, but I can't so.

1007
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.280
What the marketing spiel like, this is spiel. What the

1008
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.119
marketing spiel doesn't mention are the tragic tales that have

1009
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:23.079
embellished the local legends of it being jinxed. Yeah, I

1010
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.320
don't care ouch. As the story goes, the palazzo is

1011
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.480
associated with at least seven deaths, the most gruesome in

1012
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:38.400
nineteen seventy, when its owner, Count Filipo Giordano de la Lanze,

1013
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.119
was murdered within its walls by his boyfriend, a sailor

1014
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:48.679
who fled to London and was himself later murdered. Will

1015
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.440
sellers be like that, man? Yeah, are you sure you

1016
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.239
don't want this? If I show you this image of

1017
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.079
the palazzo? Oh man, look at that palazzo.

1018
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.000
It looks really nice.

1019
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.079
You have always said, how much.

1020
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.719
You love palazzos I have, I said, I don't even

1021
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:08.599
know what that means, but I love them.

1022
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.039
Do you like how there's like a step stool up

1023
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:11.840
to the sink.

1024
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.440
For some reason, because I'm really short, so it's perfect.

1025
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.239
I feel like that's not that tall though, Yeah, I

1026
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.400
mean it does not look tall. Maybe it's for a child.

1027
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.199
I don't know. I mean maybe it's a it's a

1028
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.239
toilet like it's You could use the sink as a

1029
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.079
toilet too, so you need to be able to get

1030
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:37.360
up there. Oh, I sure, very authentic Italiano Christopher kit

1031
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.679
Lambert Lambert God, I cannot keep all like between reading

1032
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.400
like true crime stories for terrifying and true and doing

1033
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.199
these new stories. I sometimes I get so lost. I

1034
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.679
don't know which dialect I'm supposed to try to pronounce

1035
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.440
things in anymore. At the time, the manager of the

1036
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.000
who bought the property the following year after the murder,

1037
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.239
although he claimed to have never claimed to have been

1038
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.519
unbothered by the supposed curse, he is said to have

1039
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.800
told friends that he slept elsewhere in order to escape

1040
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:12.000
the ghosts.

1041
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:15.639
Yeah, I guess do you think he was.

1042
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.320
Just lying to sound cool? He was like I'm not

1043
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.800
even afraid of no ghosts. And then he was like, hey, friends,

1044
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.400
I'm really afraid of ghosts. Yeah.

1045
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.880
Either that or he actually slept there, but he wanted

1046
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.960
to be a believer, so he'd be like, I didn't

1047
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.320
actually sleep there because I'm so scared of the ghosts.

1048
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.880
I'm just so scared of the ghosts. I don't know

1049
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.960
why he's Italian now is not He's from England. Still,

1050
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.920
local people have blamed the curse for his descent into drugs,

1051
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.400
subsequent financial crisis, and death in London in nineteen eighty

1052
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.760
one after falling down a flight of stairs. Okay, first,

1053
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.000
I see where they're coming from. Have you sheall ever

1054
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.480
heard of anyone in the music business having a drug

1055
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.440
problem or financial issues?

1056
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.760
I mean it happens really rarely. Usually it's a curse.

1057
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:09.880
So yeah, I get it. I get it. This would

1058
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.280
never happen to a regular manager of a band.

1059
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.840
If it wasn't a rock band. Yeah, yeah, wait, yeah,

1060
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.039
I stand by would have said, oh okay. In the

1061
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.599
nineteen eighties, the palace was bought by the Italian financier

1062
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:32.159
Raoul Gardini, who became embroiled in a high profile corruption scandal.

1063
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.800
And killed himself in Milan in nineteen ninety three.

1064
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:39.679
These people aren't even dying on this property.

1065
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.079
No, but they are all dying like shortly, within roughly

1066
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.360
ten years of living there, which is kind of weird.

1067
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.679
Yeah, I mean so, I guess maybe it just attracts

1068
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.559
people who have these really like dangerous lifestyles.

1069
01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.639
You mean, like wealth does that. Yeah, I'm just saying

1070
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.599
it's I mean it price to you out of it. Yeah,

1071
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.719
Now I feel bad. I'm sorry I said that to you. Okay, No,

1072
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.960
it's fine. I deserve suffering. The legends also allude to

1073
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.719
the palazzo casting misfortune on those who simply came within

1074
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:21.760
striking distance or holidayed there.

1075
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:22.840
Wow.

1076
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:28.960
Mario Delmonico, an operator an operatic tenor, was planning to

1077
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.320
buy the property in nineteen sixty four, but changed his

1078
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:36.119
mind after being involved in a serious car accident on

1079
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:37.960
his way to view it.

1080
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.960
Oh.

1081
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.239
John Entwistle, the Who's bass player, died in the United

1082
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.480
States in two thousand and two, a week after renting

1083
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:52.280
the palazzo.

1084
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.920
Wow, that's like people die and then they go to places,

1085
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.000
sometimes the other way around.

1086
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.119
I mean, I think it's interesting. The basis from the

1087
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:09.360
Who stayed at their like they're dead manager's old house. Yeah,

1088
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:11.119
supposedly cursed.

1089
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.360
Yeah.

1090
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:17.559
Cad Dario was mostly derelict after that, and although it

1091
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.440
attracted interest from some perspective buyers enamored of its architecture,

1092
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:26.159
rumored to include Woody Allen, it is claimed they were

1093
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:30.960
put off by its ghostly undertones. I feel like Woody

1094
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.159
Allen would be like, you call this a palazo, I

1095
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.360
mean a name. It's a palazo, but is it really

1096
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:43.360
a palazo? I don't know. I don't know. In two

1097
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.599
thousand and six, the building was bought by an American

1098
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.000
firm on behalf of its current owner, whose identity has

1099
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:51.360
not been made public.

1100
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.039
But it's probably dead.

1101
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.679
They gotta be dead. The fact that the property has

1102
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.639
been empty ever since has only enhanced the tails Arnaldo Fuselo,

1103
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.519
a general manager at Christie's in Venice, said Venetians like

1104
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.239
to tell a good yarn, especially to tourists. For example,

1105
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:11.920
quote the gondolier who rose past the building. It's a

1106
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.880
little bit like that, he said. He also points to

1107
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:18.079
the hundreds of inhabitants over the centuries who had lived

1108
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.599
to a ripe old age at the palazzo, including Dario,

1109
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:28.039
who died of natural causes at eighty years old. David Buzzato,

1110
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.960
a historian in Venice, said the rumors had begun in

1111
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.239
the nineteen seventies but got into full swing after the

1112
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:39.119
suicide of Gardini, generating a journalistic field day quote. The

1113
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.599
Venetians lapped it up. They love telling a story, and

1114
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.559
it's quite normal for them to exaggerate like they did

1115
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:51.719
with the Poviglia island. Povaglia is an abandoned and reputably

1116
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:56.480
haunted island within the Venetian Lagoon. That is funny because

1117
01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:00.840
there's that Venetian horror story movie. That's a Agatha Christie

1118
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.559
ghost story that took place in the Venetian area. It

1119
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.159
was a haunting in Venice, is what it was called. Oh,

1120
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:10.039
it's just funny because they even they chose to tell

1121
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:14.559
a ghost story in Venice. Venetians were an otherwise pragmatic

1122
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:19.360
bunch and usually unswayed by superstition, Bussato said, quote, but

1123
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.760
they do like to amaze people, especially those who come

1124
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
from the outside. Bussato said Venice was full of historic

1125
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.559
buildings where murders and suicides had taken plates, which today

1126
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.079
hosted luxury hotels. That's the boast you want.

1127
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.239
Yeah.

1128
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.360
Quote. As with all legends, the ones surrounding Cadario get

1129
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.199
a little bit mixed up. The storytellers take a few

1130
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.440
concrete facts and magnify them. Fussello is confident the building

1131
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.400
will overcome its eerie reputation and now sell. He said

1132
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.280
it had so far attracted a lot of interest from

1133
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.679
a mix of Italians and foreigners. Quote. This is a

1134
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.800
place where history lives and you die. No, he died,

1135
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.039
see that part. And if you want to live history,

1136
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:10.079
then this is the perfect home to become history. Although

1137
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:13.920
it's important that whoever buys it dedicates themselves to keeping

1138
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:19.079
this property alive and not themselves. I just it's too

1139
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:23.000
easy to add those tags. Yeah. Well, we're going to

1140
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.280
take a quick break and when we get back, we're

1141
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.960
going to visit a woman who lives with dozens of

1142
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:34.519
haunted dolls and explains what time of year they go

1143
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:51.920
completely bananas right after this bananas shell. Yeah, for old

1144
01:05:51.920 --> 01:06:00.760
time's sake, let's head back to Mirror dot co dot UK. Yay, Now,

1145
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.000
before we start, Chell, this story is about a woman

1146
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:13.119
named Tegea who lives with dozens of haunted.

1147
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:16.679
Dolls sounds really not great.

1148
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.400
What time of year do you think they're the most active?

1149
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:28.760
Valentine's Day?

1150
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:32.239
No?

1151
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:32.480
No?

1152
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:34.159
Do you want one second guess? Yeah?

1153
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:39.880
Around Christmas? You're right, that was my first guessesonly.

1154
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.039
I had a feeling you thought it was too obvious. Yeah,

1155
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.440
I thought it was too bizarre when I saw this headline,

1156
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.079
which is I live with dozens of haunted dolls. They're

1157
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:56.800
extra active at Christmas time. A woman who lives with

1158
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.760
dozens of haunted dolls has revealed Christmas drives them crazy. Wow,

1159
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:04.039
I mean same?

1160
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.280
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I get it.

1161
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.320
Once, even turning her home into a battle ground of

1162
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:20.360
a quote full on prank war. Wow, why are you

1163
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:21.079
shaking her head?

1164
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:22.719
Because I was afraid it was going to be some

1165
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.519
sort of pun or something and it wasn't.

1166
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:32.239
No prank war, so not so so haunted dolls use

1167
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.639
pranks okay, okay to.

1168
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.679
Fight with each other or her I don't know.

1169
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:42.639
Yeah, hopefully all will be revealed, Teach a US based

1170
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:47.440
paranormal investigator and haunted items collector. That makes sense. It'd

1171
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.679
be funny if it was like a paranormal investigator and anisthmatist,

1172
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.639
which is a coin dealer. Yeah, how did you tould

1173
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.159
these haunted dolls? I really don't know.

1174
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.199
They just came like literally.

1175
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:05.199
Yeah, yeah, uh prank. They just pranked their way in. Yeah.

1176
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.400
Has spent the past five years amassing ghoulish artifacts and

1177
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:16.560
now lives alongside dozens of them. Do you remember back

1178
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:18.560
in the day when we look at eBay listings for

1179
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:23.960
haunted dolls? That was fun. Yeah, some of them were

1180
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.199
really creative. Some of them were not, but some of

1181
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:28.720
them were like legitimately, like wow, this is really fun

1182
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:31.960
to read and kind of creepy. I think that I

1183
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:33.760
don't know if that's still a big thing, because I know,

1184
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:37.319
like mystery boxes were really big in twenty nineteen and

1185
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.920
twenty twenty and dipic boxes and all this haunting stuff.

1186
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.199
But I looked at this sometimes I'd look at these

1187
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.600
haunted dolls and it would be like fifty dollars and

1188
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:49.439
it would be like kind of a creepy looking doll,

1189
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:52.640
but it would have this long, intricate backstory that was

1190
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.439
like super thought out, and I was like, man, that

1191
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.840
would almost be worth it, yeah, like for the cool

1192
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:03.119
like oooh, like it'd be like entertainment, you know, among

1193
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.880
her vast collection. Collection is a massive assortment of fifty

1194
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:11.840
four haunted dolls who currently reside in their own room

1195
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:13.199
at her house.

1196
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.800
That sucks for those dolls. They all have to share

1197
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:17.279
one room together.

1198
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.960
I know where they're just pranking each other non stop. Yeah,

1199
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.520
I'm a prank you bro, I'm a prank you back.

1200
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.840
She claims. The dolls wreak havoc by flickering the lights,

1201
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:34.520
raiding the fridge, and even hijacking her electronics to play

1202
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:41.840
their favorite songs. On normal days, Wow, but at Christmas

1203
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:48.079
time the experience is ratcheted to another level. Yeah, I guess,

1204
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.079
I guess so yeah. Oh well, wow, she's just average looking.

1205
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:56.760
I have nothing mean to say. She just kind of

1206
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:57.520
looks like a lady.

1207
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.159
Yeah.

1208
01:09:58.319 --> 01:09:59.119
Yeah.

1209
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.000
Also the dolls look just about his average. Ye creepy.

1210
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.039
Yeah, there's like some stuffed animals. Yeah.

1211
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:11.399
Oh, there's a pink elephant. Yeah, unless I'm just drunk,

1212
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.840
like in the old cartoons when we were kids, See

1213
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.000
pink elephants when you're drunk. Uh huh.

1214
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:17.359
Yeah.

1215
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:19.239
Like that's the other thing is like a lot of

1216
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.359
these haunted dolls just like normal Of course, dolls are

1217
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:26.560
already kind of creepy. So that helps. T says she

1218
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:32.920
has encountered unexplained movements and mysteriously rearranged decorations overnight when

1219
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:37.640
the festive season hits, creating some of her quote favorite moments.

1220
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:44.840
I guess, so, she said, quote to what she loves dolls,

1221
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.840
she oh, she does, well. I mean, uh, here this

1222
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.800
is a picture of her clutching one of her favorite dolls.

1223
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:52.840
Ah, I like that doll.

1224
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.479
It's kind of cool. Has like almost no mouth.

1225
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.720
Yeah, it's only a little haunted.

1226
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.520
I don't know how I feel about the lack of mouth.

1227
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:01.600
I like it.

1228
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.439
Let's see, she said, quote, I've had a few favorite

1229
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.640
moments happened around Christmas. That's great writing her favorite moments,

1230
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.560
she said, I've had a few favorite moments. Yeah. Once

1231
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.720
I had hung small stockings on the shelving unit where

1232
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.199
I keep the dolls. What started as a festive gesture

1233
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:28.800
quickly turned into a full blown prank war. Every time

1234
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.680
I turned my back, the stockings would get pulled down.

1235
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.960
It became a daily routine in December where I'd hang

1236
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.239
them back up and they'd knock them back down. Are

1237
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.319
you sure it wasn't just like humid in there and

1238
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:41.640
the command strips wouldn't stick.

1239
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.800
Yeah, or whatever you Yeah, whatever she was using to

1240
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:46.479
hold them up wasn't good.

1241
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:52.119
Quote. Eventually I told them that whichever spirit kept knocking

1242
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.439
their stocking up kept their stocking. Oh sorry, I told them,

1243
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.880
whichever spirit kept their stocking up until Christmas without me

1244
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.039
sing with me would get an extra gift. What do

1245
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.359
you get the haunted doll that has everything?

1246
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.800
I'm more concerned that there are like fifty four stockings,

1247
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:10.760
one for each doll.

1248
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:14.880
I would need to see proof, I would say, cap,

1249
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:19.399
she's got to have like one stocking per like ten dolls.

1250
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.319
She said, if they kept their stock I don't know.

1251
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.399
I don't know. It kind of sounds like she just

1252
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:24.960
has a stocking for every doll.

1253
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:27.439
There's no way she has that many stockings.

1254
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.000
If she does, it would explain why they keep falling down,

1255
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.560
because I'm sure like they look okay and then like

1256
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.960
one of them falls and you gotta find Yeah.

1257
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:42.319
That was solid, that's a solid point. Thank you, that's good. Welcome, Oh,

1258
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.479
because I was getting tired of picking them up. By

1259
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:52.479
Christmas day, only two stockings were still hanging. Oh, and

1260
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:56.000
there's no photograph of the stocking. Oh, there is one.

1261
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.720
Uh wow, okay, there is not a sing for every

1262
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:07.359
single one. Bro, look at that. I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

1263
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:10.560
twelve thirteen stockings in that one side of the room.

1264
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.000
But isn't that because they keep getting knocked down but.

1265
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.880
They get up again, You're never going to keep them down.

1266
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:22.560
Oh yeah, there is one stocking on the floor in

1267
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:23.079
that picture.

1268
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:23.640
Hmmm.

1269
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.960
And another spooky experience took place while she was filming

1270
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:33.439
a click clip for her TikTok account. Imagine that, yeah,

1271
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.239
Tee said quote. Just as I was wrapping things up

1272
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.560
and telling everyone I was about to log off, music

1273
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:44.239
suddenly started blaring from my Amazon echo downstairs. I can't

1274
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:46.359
say her name. She's in the room with me right now.

1275
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.560
I went to check, and sure enough, a Queen song

1276
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:54.640
was playing. Queen all right. Fittingly, that's the favorite band

1277
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.479
of my haunted teddy bear Jeremiah.

1278
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.319
Wow, she knows his favorite band.

1279
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:05.039
Yeah. She's a very involved, very involved doll owner.

1280
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:07.279
She's a good doll own her.

1281
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:11.399
Yeah, I'm glad you can't hear eye rolls via microphone.

1282
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:17.119
Oh but she does have set rules with the dolls

1283
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.359
to ensure the mischief doesn't go too far. I mean,

1284
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:23.000
she wouldn't want another Annabelle on her hands. It's like,

1285
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.840
and then they knocked the they knocked the stocking off

1286
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:36.279
the wall and murdered a woman. Which she introduces these

1287
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:39.439
rules when welcoming them into her home. Teach said, quote,

1288
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:45.520
we clearly explain our expectations. Wow, no harm to us,

1289
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:50.159
our pets, or anyone who visits the house. The only

1290
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:53.119
formal step we take when welcoming a new haunted doll

1291
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.199
is setting verbal boundaries.

1292
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:56.239
Wow.

1293
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.640
So it's better than having a cat. I mean as

1294
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.359
far as like being able to say, like, you don't

1295
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:03.760
do this, and you don't do this. A cat would

1296
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.119
just be like, yeah, okay, I might do it.

1297
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:08.520
Though, I mean, I feel like a haunted doll would

1298
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:09.439
also be like that.

1299
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.119
I would think so too. But this is evidence to

1300
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:17.439
the contrary. Huh quote. While we've never had an issue,

1301
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.079
it's something we do out of precaution, since every new

1302
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:23.159
spirit is an unknown until we get to know them better.

1303
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:27.119
We also ask that no exterior doors or windows be opened,

1304
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:31.239
mainly to ensure our pets stay inside. It needs pets

1305
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.960
when you've got all these haunted dolls, though, I don't know,

1306
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.119
and believe it or not, we've had to add a

1307
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:42.680
rule about not blasting music or TV at full volume.

1308
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.760
That one came from experience once I came home to

1309
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.039
find a movie playing so loudly that I could hear

1310
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:50.960
it from the street. So we had to put a

1311
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.479
stop to that pretty quickly. Yeah, apparently ghost hauntings are

1312
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.359
really easy to manage. I thought that they would be difficult.

1313
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.239
Also, what happens when they break the rules or they

1314
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:02.920
just not if you tell them and they're just like

1315
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.920
if you're just like, hey, don't blast the TV, They're like,

1316
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:05.760
oh sure, I.

1317
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:07.720
Mean that's what I'm wondering. I was wondering if she

1318
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.760
like threatens them with exorcism or something, but she does.

1319
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.319
I mean, we'll see. TJ's lifelong interest with spirits sparked

1320
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.600
after a dramatic encounter when she was just six years

1321
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.600
old and in the first grade. She and her family,

1322
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.319
who also share an interest in ghost hunting, shocking. We're

1323
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:29.640
using an ovalus, a device said to convert environmental ovelis. Yeah,

1324
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.479
convert environmental energy into words displayed on a screen. I

1325
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:34.720
think you've talked about that before.

1326
01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:38.520
Yeah, Yeah, we've talked about.

1327
01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.359
Teach said, quote, out of nowhere, the ovelist said, get

1328
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:44.159
out of the way fast. We didn't wait. We moved immediately.

1329
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.439
Right after we cleared the area, a car whipped around

1330
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:50.159
the corner. It was really dark, and if we hadn't moved,

1331
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:51.760
there's a good chance we could have been hit. I

1332
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:56.439
guess they couldn't hear a car whipping around a corner.

1333
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:58.079
Well, maybe it's an electric car.

1334
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.880
That's a fair point. Yeah, you're right, You're right. That

1335
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:03.880
moment stuck with me, not just because it was my

1336
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:06.720
first clear experience, but because it felt like a spirit

1337
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:11.079
was trying to help us. Yeah. Quote, that was the

1338
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.960
first time I felt like a spirit interaction was actually positive,

1339
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.079
and that's something I've kept in mind ever since. It's

1340
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.640
a big part of why I'm now interested in haunted dolls,

1341
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.800
specifically ones with positive energy. That early experience shape the

1342
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:25.960
way I look at the paranormal today. And told me

1343
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.920
that the dolls are basically slaves. No, it doesn't hit up.

1344
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:34.800
Since beginning her collection five years ago, Teach has encountered

1345
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.800
dozens of haunted toys, researching their histories online and visiting

1346
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:45.439
expedition exhibitions to meet them in person despite the love it. Wow,

1347
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.800
you're sew into haunted dolls. You're visiting haunted dolls, not

1348
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.680
just buying me visiting? Yeah, fair enough. Despite the unusual

1349
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:55.279
antics of her haunted collection, Teach says the holiday season

1350
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.000
brings a special kind of joy to her home.

1351
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:04.079
I mean, I don't want dolls that are haunted or dolls,

1352
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:09.039
but I'm glad that she likes them so much because

1353
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.520
she seems to really love them and care about them

1354
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.600
and like what they do to.

1355
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.800
Her house as long as they obey her, by.

1356
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.600
And large, So we didn't find out what she does

1357
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:21.720
to them if they don't obey.

1358
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:26.960
Yeah. No, I mean I'm hoping that it's just like

1359
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.039
she just takes them out of the house, although every

1360
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.000
other haunted doll story I've ever heard is that that

1361
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:32.840
doesn't work if you take them out of the house.

1362
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.840
Yeah, but maybe she's just that powerful so she can.

1363
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:39.600
Oh, Okay, that's a fair point, all right. I like that.

1364
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.800
I like that. Well, we're building, we're doing some world

1365
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.319
building on the story. Yeah yeah, yeah, but we're gonna

1366
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:46.760
take a quick break and then we're going to be

1367
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:52.159
talking about over one hundred corpses stolen from a cemetery

1368
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:59.720
near you cell. Yeah, a cemetery we have visited together. Yeah,

1369
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:11.479
loof right after this and we're back. This story comes

1370
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:18.000
from NBC Philadelphia. Yah, are you a fan of NBC Philadelphia?

1371
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.039
Not really, but I just liked that they were that

1372
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.319
it was a local one that you chose.

1373
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:28.439
Of course, I can't choose some other place. The headline reads,

1374
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:33.600
PA man accused of stealing more than one hundred skeletons

1375
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.880
from cemeteries. This has multiple cemeteries.

1376
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:40.920
Yeah, I mean when I had heard, they were like,

1377
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:43.399
it could be for others too, but they hadn't. I think,

1378
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.319
so maybe this is updated a bit.

1379
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:50.000
A Pennsylvania man is accused of stealing more than one

1380
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:55.680
hundred skeletons from cemeteries in Delaware County, Philadelphia, and Luzerne.

1381
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.000
That's so how you said, Yeah, yeah.

1382
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.600
Luzerne County. I didn't want it to be another schoogle

1383
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.560
where it doesn't look at all like it sounds. Jonathan

1384
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:11.239
Gerlash thirty four of Efrata Efrata, Efreda Afreda maybe ELFREDA Affreda,

1385
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.760
Pennsylvania is charged with twenty six counts of burglary. Twenty

1386
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:20.079
six counts of criminal trespass, one hundred counts of abuse

1387
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:24.640
of corpse, one hundred counts of receiving stolen property, twenty

1388
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:28.720
six counts of intentional desecration of public monument, and other

1389
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:30.319
related offenses.

1390
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.159
Yeah, I'm interested. It's really interesting to me because he's

1391
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.479
not local, So why did he come here to steal

1392
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:38.720
our corpses?

1393
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.039
Well, I mean, you know, I know Mount Mariah is

1394
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:48.479
technically abandoned, right, so I mean maybe that's why that place. Yeah,

1395
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.199
And I mean that that's a big cemetery, dude, is

1396
01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:53.800
I remember we hiked into it and there's a point

1397
01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:57.199
where you can't like, it's cemetery every direction. It's so big.

1398
01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:59.000
I mean you could maybe see a little bit of

1399
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:02.920
like Philly skyline, but it's just cemetery. There's like you

1400
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:07.159
don't see an exit. You're in cemetery. Yeah, yeah, which

1401
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.760
is pretty cool. It's like when you're on like when

1402
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:11.520
I was on that first frozen lake I ever got on,

1403
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:12.880
and it was so big. I didn't realize that when

1404
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:14.560
I went to the middle of it, I couldn't see

1405
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:17.159
anything but frozen lake in every direction. It was like

1406
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:19.239
being in Antarctica. Like the look of it. It was

1407
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:23.760
just like, holy crap. Also blows my mind. He took

1408
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.000
exactly one hundred.

1409
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:27.600
It looks like, well, I mean, you got it. You

1410
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.520
got it. That's a good well.

1411
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.159
It says more than it says more than one hundred there,

1412
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:33.760
But then he's charged with one hundred counts of receiving

1413
01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:34.960
stolen property.

1414
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.760
Maybe yeah, no idea, I don't know.

1415
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:44.000
That's weird. So uh, let's see. Court documents obtained by

1416
01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:46.600
NBC ten revealed details on the thefts, as well as

1417
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:51.359
how investigators identified Gerlatch as the suspect. According to the

1418
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:55.479
criminal complaint, the thefts occurred between November seventh, twenty twenty five,

1419
01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.239
and January sixth, twenty twenty six, in both the Delaware

1420
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:02.760
County and philadelph sections of the Mount Mariah. It's so big.

1421
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:03.760
It's in two counties.

1422
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:04.600
Yeah. Yeah.

1423
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.600
It is of the Mount Mariah Cemetery as well as

1424
01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:11.039
a cemetery in Plains Township in Luzerne County.

1425
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:13.520
Okay, so he okay, so that makes sense. He came

1426
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.399
here specifically for that cemetery, and then he went back

1427
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.640
to him and also grave robbed, got it.

1428
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.800
That's a lot of grave robbery in one in like

1429
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:27.479
a very short amount of times. Yeah, November to January

1430
01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.039
too month. Yeah, that's insanity.

1431
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:34.159
Yeah yeah, yeah. And he needs to be careful though,

1432
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:39.239
because people bury bodies from like criminal activities there sometimes,

1433
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:41.359
so he's got to be careful.

1434
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:45.760
That's the scuttle. But anyway, yeah, I mean has that

1435
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:49.960
ever been proven? Yes? Oh, there were at.

1436
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.960
Least two times where they found a dead body in

1437
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.640
a mausoleum that was not supposed to be there, like

1438
01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:58.279
a murder.

1439
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.600
Geez, Okay, okay, I believe you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1440
01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:04.960
It's okay, I'll never do it again. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

1441
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:09.600
I'm sorry. In all, twenty six mausoleums and underground burial

1442
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:14.399
sites were burglarized or desecrated at Mount Mariah Cemetery. Investigators said,

1443
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.199
how do you how that's more than two bodies a day?

1444
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:25.359
Is Yeah, over one hundred and sixty days. Yeah, that's insane.

1445
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.880
Yeah, I mean it really dedicated.

1446
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:31.800
I respect the hustle.

1447
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:33.720
Yeah.

1448
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.199
The thefts included multiple instances in which a burglar broke

1449
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.840
into mausoleums and stole human remains. The targeted remains included

1450
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.079
the bodies of the following individuals. Martha Hunter a person

1451
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:45.760
who was born in eighteen fifty four and died in

1452
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:49.439
eighteen sixty nine. Mary Prichard Stiegelmann a person who was

1453
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:51.520
born in eighteen seventy eight and died in nineteen forty.

1454
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:55.479
Mary Cappellini pega, oh, there you go, there's some Italian name.

1455
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:57.600
Got to be MOB related, a person who was born

1456
01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:59.840
in eighteen ninety eight and died in nineteen eighty one.

1457
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.560
And Leo Terris Terrence a person who was born in

1458
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:08.039
nineteen twenty eight and died in nineteen eighty one. Throughout

1459
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:11.239
their investigation, detectives collected numerous pieces of evidence from the

1460
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.239
crime scenes, including energy drink cans. Well, he would need

1461
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:19.000
them for this amount of theft, Yes, is seriously insane.

1462
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.199
Chell mentioned the stirring the break to me, just said, like,

1463
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:24.600
do you hear about that? I was like, what a hundred?

1464
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:29.560
A hundred and Chill is not the type to embellish

1465
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:33.760
or believe embellished news stories. Like if you heard a hundred,

1466
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:35.560
if somebody just said and passed like, yeah, a hundred

1467
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.520
skeletons got stolen from whatever, you'd look it up right away.

1468
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.920
You'd want to know that it was really one hundred, yeah,

1469
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:44.439
and not like thirty and some people say one hundred.

1470
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:47.720
I was like what And I was like, immediately, we

1471
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.760
have to add that to the spooky news, like holy crap,

1472
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.000
but including energy drink cans, cigarettes, a pair of glasses,

1473
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.159
a zip tie, and.

1474
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.920
Tools one zip tie just.

1475
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:07.479
A single solitary sad zip tie or a zip time.

1476
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.399
In late December, as the investigation continued, police in planes

1477
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:14.279
Township and Yayden were both made aware of a tip

1478
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.640
that had been submitted to the Lancaster City Police Department.

1479
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.439
The tip, which was submitted on December twentieth, twenty twenty five,

1480
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:26.000
identified Jonathan Gerlatch as a possible suspect in the Luzerne

1481
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.640
County mausoleum robbery. Hmmm, according, I want to know. There's

1482
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:31.600
so much I want to know.

1483
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:32.680
Yeah.

1484
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.119
I want to know what kind of car he drove.

1485
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:39.119
Yeah, I guess he drove into the cemetery, obviously.

1486
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.359
I want to know what tools did he have. I

1487
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.920
want to know where he stored all of these skeletons.

1488
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.079
I think they might tell you that.

1489
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.960
I hope they do. I mean, I hope he doesn't

1490
01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:56.960
keep them in his closet, because I've heard bad things. Yeah,

1491
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.800
I'm fun. I'm fun, okay. According with the Tipsare tipster,

1492
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:05.159
witnesses had spotted a partially decomposed corpse hanging in the

1493
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:10.520
basement of Gerlach's home in Efrada, Pennsylvania. The tipster also

1494
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:16.680
posted Gerlash's Instagram account, which investigators said included posts on taxidermy,

1495
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:22.920
skeleton collecting and sales, oddities and bone museums.

1496
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:28.119
Wow. Yeah, he's just really into this. I get it.

1497
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:29.720
It makes me sad though, because I like, did an

1498
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.760
Oddities expo and people were not like weird like that.

1499
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:34.920
Some of them are mean.

1500
01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:37.039
Well, I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong. They're

1501
01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:39.560
gonna be They're gonna be some, They're gonna be some.

1502
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:43.800
Police also identified Girlash as the suspect in a theft

1503
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.560
at a hardware store in East Earl Township, Pennsylvania, in

1504
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:51.680
which a headlamp and la led rechargeable glowstick, gloves, and

1505
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.760
tools commonly used in burglaries were stolen.

1506
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:58.600
He just really doesn't like like doing things that aren't

1507
01:26:58.640 --> 01:26:59.239
theft him.

1508
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.399
Yeah, he's just like, nah, I gotta steal this stuff.

1509
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:03.520
I don't want anybody to wonder why I bought a headlamp.

1510
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.640
Maybe selling the corpses just ain't going as good as

1511
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:10.560
he was hoping. It's not bringing in the cashola like

1512
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:15.880
you wanted, yeah, investigator, Oh my gosh. Investigators also determined

1513
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.840
Girlash was a member of a human bones and skull

1514
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:24.840
selling group on Facebook I mean of course, and spotted

1515
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:27.840
a post in which a member thanked him for selling

1516
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.039
an item to him.

1517
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:32.600
Wow.

1518
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:38.159
Police also searched through Girlac's cash app account, which showed

1519
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:40.960
a photo of a person holding what appeared to be

1520
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:44.079
a human skull in front of their face, and identified

1521
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.800
Girlash's vehicle, which they said was driven near the locations

1522
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:51.600
and on the dates of the reported cemetery burglaries. According

1523
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:59.720
to the criminal complaints, have you ever seen Return of

1524
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:00.439
the Being Dead?

1525
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:06.279
I get confused about which one that is.

1526
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:07.880
That's the one with all the punk music and the

1527
01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:11.199
punk rockers. No, Oh, you'd actually really like that one.

1528
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.600
Part two. There are two grave robbers, and that's the

1529
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:20.479
things they're going into steal jewelry and to steal like skulls.

1530
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:23.199
And he's like, oh, yeah, you get a lot of

1531
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.720
money for an intered skull. And he's like, well, how

1532
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.560
how would they even know that? The skull was actually buried.

1533
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.720
He was like, you can't sell them a skull that

1534
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:39.880
wasn't buried. It'd be dishonest. You're selling ahead you stole.

1535
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.560
I just always love it, like that's the line. Yeah,

1536
01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:49.560
not dishonest. We're gonna take a quick break and then

1537
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.199
we'll talk all about the arrest of this ghoul. I

1538
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:56.600
just can't get over how like all of the evidence

1539
01:28:56.720 --> 01:29:02.840
is so lined up perfectly cash app. Yeah, you know,

1540
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.880
if he had used cryptocurrency, it would have taken, you know,

1541
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.520
a day longer for them to figure out that he

1542
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:09.880
sold them and got paid.

1543
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:13.359
I mean, he could have also used cash. That would

1544
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:14.600
have taken longer than cash app.

1545
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:26.279
Nobody has cash anymore. Fine, but right after this, all right,

1546
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.079
we're back talking about the Pennsylvania man accused of stealing

1547
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:39.560
one hundred skeletons. It still feels a little surreal to me. Yeah,

1548
01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:41.000
why did you think when you heard that? I mean,

1549
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.359
you're a Filly native, wouldn't you hear?

1550
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:48.840
I was. I was really sad because I don't want

1551
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:53.359
Mount Mariah Cemetery to be robbed. Mm that's that was

1552
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:54.119
my takeaway.

1553
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.279
Yeah, I was really sad that they caught that guy.

1554
01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:01.039
Yeah, because a skull from him exactly.

1555
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:07.880
Yeah, damn. On Tuesday, January sixth, around eight pm, detectives

1556
01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.880
were conducting surveillance in the Philadelphia section of Mount Mariah

1557
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.479
Cemetery on Cemetery and Chester Avenues when they spotted a

1558
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:19.399
vehicle with numerous bones and skulls in the back seat.

1559
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:27.159
That'll do it, do you? I wanted. I wonder and

1560
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:32.239
I do wonder. Did he think that maybe because the

1561
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:37.079
cemetery was abandoned, that it wasn't a crime or something.

1562
01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:40.560
Maybe. I mean the other option is that he thought

1563
01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:42.359
no one would catch him because it's abandoned.

1564
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.119
True. I mean we saw almost nobody when we were there. Yeah,

1565
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:51.039
it's just a huge cemetery. Yeah, I don't know. It's

1566
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:52.399
just like the fact that it's like they just saw

1567
01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:54.640
bones and skulls in the back seat. It's like not

1568
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.479
even the trunk bro not even covered with a tarp baro.

1569
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:01.039
Well, they were in the trunk and then it got full,

1570
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:02.359
so then they were in the back seat.

1571
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:07.720
Oh yeah, hoisted by his own petard his success. It

1572
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:08.560
was his undoing.

1573
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:11.840
Yeah.

1574
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:15.920
The driver, later identified as Jonathan Gerlash, was then spotted

1575
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:21.880
leaving thee was then spotted leaving the cemetery holding a

1576
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:30.159
burlap bag, crowbar and other items. Police said, yeah, investigators

1577
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:34.880
took Gerlach into custody. He then allegedly admitted to stealing

1578
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.920
around thirty sets of human remains. He was trying to

1579
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.720
get away with a lot. It was like it was

1580
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:43.239
like thirty, you know, no big deal, you know, like

1581
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.159
like a Romanian Baker's dozen. Right, They're like, you don't

1582
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:52.199
know what that means. Investigators then executed a search warrant

1583
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:56.199
at his home on Washington Avenue in Ephrada, Ephrada Ephreda

1584
01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:01.600
Epfreida I think Efreida, and recovered one hunt human skeletons,

1585
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:06.399
as well as eight more human remains inside a storage

1586
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:11.079
locker that Girlash owned on East Main Street in Ephrata. Wow,

1587
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.760
according to the criminal complaint, Wow.

1588
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.000
He was getting so big with that he had to

1589
01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:16.720
get a story.

1590
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.399
He was expanding. I mean, he was like going to

1591
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:21.359
become he was like getting ready to become the Walmart

1592
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.760
of corpse theft. Yeah. Well, like, oh my gosh, look,

1593
01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:30.159
I have a friend who collects audit like serious weird oddities,

1594
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:33.079
so much so that I will not say his name

1595
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:40.479
because because the legality of some of this stuff is rocky. Like,

1596
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:44.399
for instance, he moved, he moved warehouses to a new state,

1597
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.159
and then shortly thereafter found out some of the things

1598
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.359
he owned were simply not legal in that state.

1599
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:51.159
Oh wow.

1600
01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:53.520
They were legal in another state, but not that one.

1601
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:54.239
Wow.

1602
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.279
And he had to like talk to his attorney and

1603
01:32:57.279 --> 01:32:59.720
they were like, yeah, you need to just like calmly

1604
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:04.119
and quietly pack that stuff up one night and go

1605
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:06.720
to your warehouse in the other state and just take

1606
01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.960
it there. Yeah. Yeah, just just calmly do that sometime

1607
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:12.199
because because they're not like looking for you, but if

1608
01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:15.960
you if you're flaunting it or whatever, they're gonna get you. Yeah. Yeah,

1609
01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.920
so I'm not And I love that guy. He's a

1610
01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.680
he's a good dude, and but he owns a lot

1611
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:25.159
of weird stuff like that. So like I appreciate that,

1612
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:26.960
Like I would never want any of that.

1613
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:28.399
Yeah, me neither.

1614
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.600
I'm just not that kind of person. It makes me

1615
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:35.159
feel weird the idea. Yeah yeah, so, but you know,

1616
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:39.279
I've known people who've collected like body parts from like

1617
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:46.520
serial killers and stuff. Yeah that's weird. So anyway, quote

1618
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.680
detectives walked into a horror movie come to light the

1619
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.279
other night, guys. Delaware County District Attorney Tanner Rouse said

1620
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.760
during a press conference on Thursday, I love that quote.

1621
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.119
Detectives walked into a horror movie come to life the

1622
01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:01.680
other night. Guys. Yeah, that's a press conference. We still

1623
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:07.119
go yeah, we we we We're more chill about things.

1624
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:11.640
This is an unbelievable scene that no one involved, from

1625
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:14.960
myself to the detectives, to the medical examiners that are

1626
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:17.760
now trying to piece together what they're looking at. Quite literally,

1627
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.399
none of them have ever seen anything like this before.

1628
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:23.720
Ral said, before taking a chair sitting in front of him,

1629
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:28.800
turning it backwards, and sitting on it while facing the ard.

1630
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:33.239
Ral said, some of the stolen So I'm the cool

1631
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:36.119
district attorney, the kind you can wrap about your problems too.

1632
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.760
Ralse said, some of the I love. I can't stop

1633
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:44.359
laughing over. Ral said, some of the stolen skeletons are

1634
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:46.520
hundreds of years old. Like that's what I'm laughing over.

1635
01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1636
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:50.520
Quote now, And that makes sense though, because the really

1637
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.199
old skeletons would be worth a lot of money. M hmm,

1638
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:57.520
because you can there's like a coloring and stuff. They

1639
01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.439
get when they're aged that there's no other way to

1640
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:03.920
get that than being buried for a long period of time. Quote,

1641
01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.159
we are trying to figure out, You're like, I only

1642
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.039
want fresh human remains exactly.

1643
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:09.000
That sounds gross.

1644
01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.000
We are trying to figure out exactly what we are

1645
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.159
looking at, Rause said, we quite simply at this juncture

1646
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:18.960
are not able to date and identify all of them. Well,

1647
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.720
they're dead, so you can't go on a date with them.

1648
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:24.520
That would be weird, it really weird. Yeah. Rause also

1649
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:28.479
said that some of the skeletons are infants and children.

1650
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.600
That would make it weirder too. Quote, it is truly,

1651
01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:36.920
in the most literal sense of the word horrific. I

1652
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.640
grieve for those who are upset by this, who are

1653
01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:42.359
going through it, who are trying to figure out if

1654
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.159
it is in fact their loved one or their child,

1655
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.119
because we found remains that we believe to be months

1656
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:52.159
old infants among those he had collected. Our hearts go

1657
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:57.359
out to every family impacted by this. Yeah, I mean,

1658
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.560
this is not meant to justify anything. I'm just saying,

1659
01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:05.960
at least none of these were recently deceased people. I

1660
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.279
mean that that it still would be horrible. But to

1661
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:12.520
find out like, uh, you know, loved one had been

1662
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:16.119
pulled up. But it's like for the sake of the victims,

1663
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:19.039
I hope that like they're like separated by many generally,

1664
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:21.680
Like it's like, oh, that was my you know, grandfather's father.

1665
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:25.000
I never knew him or you know whatever, just for

1666
01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.359
the sake of like so ghastly. Yeah, I'm just trying

1667
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:30.760
to think of the best case worst of this worst case.

1668
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.520
Well, I mean, the best thing about it is that

1669
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.159
he didn't kill anybody.

1670
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:38.359
That's that's the best thing about most things that don't

1671
01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:42.079
involve killing it. Yeah, this person nobody died, but this

1672
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:43.359
is this involves.

1673
01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:45.800
Dead people, but he didn't kill the dead people. So

1674
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:46.359
that's good.

1675
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.159
Yeah, No, I agree, No, that's good too. I guess

1676
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:53.840
you're just like what's Philadelphia? Almost every story is and

1677
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.760
then someone was murdered exactly like literally all of them.

1678
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.319
Like there's a story about a guy stealing a pack

1679
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.439
of cigarettes. He killed four people on the way to

1680
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:09.119
do it. Unrelated. Yeah, Girlash is currently in custody at

1681
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:12.840
the Delaware County Prison after failing to post one million

1682
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:16.079
dollars in bail. So I guess his business wasn't booming

1683
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:19.800
after all, I guess not. He is scheduled for a

1684
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.279
preliminary hearing on January twentieth, twenty twenty sixth. Oh wait,

1685
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:24.640
so did he have it?

1686
01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:25.760
I assume?

1687
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:28.560
So should I? Should I follow up on that real quick?

1688
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:28.960
Sure?

1689
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:45.039
Let's see girlash preliminary hearing pauh Wow, nearly five hundred

1690
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:57.199
criminal charges? Wow? Holy moley. Let's see four hundred and

1691
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:07.439
ninety six counts uh, it says the preliminary hearing on

1692
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:13.600
January twelth. It is like, but do we know what happened? Man? Nobody.

1693
01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:23.920
Nobody's saying anything. What happened? Nope? Nothing.

1694
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:28.199
It's pretty cool though for me, because that's my courthouse, Like,

1695
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.119
that's where I went to do jury.

1696
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.720
Duty, but not for this case.

1697
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.520
Sadly, unfortunately not I would have stuck around for this,

1698
01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:37.359
but I knew about it so that it probably wouldn't

1699
01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:37.760
have picked me.

1700
01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:42.720
Yeah, probably not. Yeah, unfortunately, other we don't have anything

1701
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.199
about the preliminary hearing. I couldn't find anything. Oh, this

1702
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:49.279
is interesting. So in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware it

1703
01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:56.079
is not illegal to buy or sell human bones. Was

1704
01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:01.399
that signal? I was like, we did it. I wonder

1705
01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:02.199
about Ohio.

1706
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:02.920
I don't know.

1707
01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:07.920
Can you sell human bones in Ohio? I'm on a

1708
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:12.640
list now, yeah, I know, yep, Okay, it's legal.

1709
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.319
Okay, So maybe you're not on a list.

1710
01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:23.119
Don't sell me short. What is illegal is theft and

1711
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:27.560
grave robbery, along with interstate trafficking of stolen goods. So

1712
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.880
what would someone want to do with another person's boats. Well,

1713
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:34.800
there's an entire market for them. The NBC ten investigators

1714
01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:37.279
looked into the trade. While court documents show most of

1715
01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:41.520
the business took place online, the investigators found one Facebook

1716
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:47.800
group has more than five thousand, three hundred people following it. Wow. Man,

1717
01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:50.600
and our weekly Spooky Tomb of Terror only has like

1718
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:51.479
five hundred.

1719
01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:52.720
Wow.

1720
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:55.199
Maybe we should start selling human remains on there.

1721
01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:57.439
I would I would think that that would help.

1722
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.960
People post from all over the world. And the items

1723
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:04.760
are typically a few hundred dollars. See, so you can't

1724
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.560
buy the palazo, but you could buy some human remains.

1725
01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:08.279
I could.

1726
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:11.560
Yeah, I know what you're getting for your birthday? Yeah,

1727
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:15.359
what are you thinking? I mean, a skull's too ostentatious,

1728
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:16.880
Like you want like a hip bone or something?

1729
01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.840
Yeah, or like a little toe.

1730
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:23.319
A little toe.

1731
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:24.880
Yeah.

1732
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:28.079
There are also stores where people can buy human bones,

1733
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:31.439
and where full skeletons can be as much as seven

1734
01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:39.079
thousand dollars. What.

1735
01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:41.960
I'm trying to be nice about all of this because

1736
01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:43.600
I know that there are people who are really into

1737
01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.640
this stuff. So something feels very bad to me about

1738
01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:48.840
buying a person I just don't like it.

1739
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:53.600
Well, it's different if they're alive. That's very illegal.

1740
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:56.760
I mean, I agree that it's different, but I still

1741
01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:57.439
like it.

1742
01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:02.960
No. I like, I get that some people, for some people,

1743
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:07.640
morbidity like that is similar to like my love of

1744
01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:10.279
horror movies or my love of scary stories and how

1745
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.800
I find them cathartic and relaxing or fun or distracting

1746
01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.000
or whatever. I think that it's kind of like how

1747
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.680
some people like the idea of like cremaines on a

1748
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.920
mantle and some people hate it. I think we all

1749
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:29.520
have like our own level of what just works for us,

1750
01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.239
you know. And I think to some people having a display,

1751
01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.399
I mean, it'd be one thing if you're doing something ghastly,

1752
01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:38.239
like using a real human skull for a friggin' ashtray

1753
01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:41.880
or something, you're just weird and edgy. And I don't

1754
01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:46.640
know if I like you, but if you display a something,

1755
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:52.520
maybe that's about you. How you handle the idea of,

1756
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:57.000
you know, being mortal, How you handle the idea of mortality,

1757
01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:59.359
how you handle the idea that we all have to

1758
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:02.279
die someday. Maybe that's what it means to you and

1759
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:04.800
it looks kind of interesting, But to me, the idea

1760
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:11.600
of having like a real human bone makes me uncomfortable. Though,

1761
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:14.680
I'll be honest, if it's older, like if it's a

1762
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.960
thousand years old, it doesn't feel as creepy as if

1763
01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:20.800
it's one hundred years old. Sure, And if it was

1764
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:25.199
like ten years old, I would be mortified, you know, like,

1765
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:27.840
so it's weird and I can't I can't tell you

1766
01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:30.720
why exactly I feel how way, It's just that's my

1767
01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:33.520
initial instinct. Is like if somebody said like, oh, yeah,

1768
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:38.159
this is you know, a human hand like skeleton, a

1769
01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:41.880
hand from eighteen hundred years ago in Egypt or something,

1770
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:43.960
I'd be like, oh, wow, that's really cool. But it

1771
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.319
was like here's a human hand from nineteen eighty six,

1772
01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:49.319
I'd be like, oh, what the hell, man? You know,

1773
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:52.159
it's it's weird. There's a distance does make a difference,

1774
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.800
So I don't know while girl Ash is in custody.

1775
01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:01.239
The investigation is ongoing. Anyone with information on the thefts

1776
01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:05.960
should contact Detective Leah Sesesenik at six' one oh six

1777
01:43:06.079 --> 01:43:09.359
two three one five zero zero or Detective Chris Carr

1778
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:12.680
at six one oh eight nine one four seven zero zero.

1779
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:15.840
I want to put that in there because it is ongoing,

1780
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.239
and it's not often we're talking about something totally ongoing,

1781
01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.359
and we do have listeners in PA. I don't know

1782
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:21.960
how any air in Philly, but I would assume it's

1783
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.640
pretty split between Pittsburgh and Philly. So yeah, if you

1784
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:27.560
have any information, help put this guy away for a

1785
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:31.359
good long while, you know. But thanks for the laughs.

1786
01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:33.880
You were almost as amusing as a woman who poisoned

1787
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:37.479
people with a mushroom, but not quite. And we're going

1788
01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:40.520
to take a quick break now, and when we get back,

1789
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:43.760
we're going to talk about a winter storm. Winter winter

1790
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:48.039
storm that triggered one of the deadliest disasters in Washington,

1791
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:52.880
d C. History, when it hit the Knickerbocker Theater right

1792
01:43:52.920 --> 01:44:05.199
after this. Yeah, so Chell, yes, when you think of

1793
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:10.399
the historic Knickerbocker Theater, what's the first thing that comes

1794
01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:11.159
to mind to you.

1795
01:44:14.239 --> 01:44:18.119
I don't know anything about this oric Knickerbocker theater at all.

1796
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:25.399
Wow. Yeah, Well, as many many people are dealing with

1797
01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:32.439
differing levels of winter storms snow, ice, sleet, I want

1798
01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:35.239
to talk about this article from the Smithsonian Magazine at

1799
01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:40.439
smithsonianmag dot com. The headline is when a winter storm

1800
01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:47.359
triggered one of the deadliest disasters in DC history. Cool. Well,

1801
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:53.119
I think it was cold actually, ah so, but wow, like,

1802
01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:56.319
hold and I'll show you this. This shot of the

1803
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:59.359
collapse theater is pretty daunting.

1804
01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.600
Oh, here's because did snow get stuck on the roof

1805
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:05.680
and then it collapsed?

1806
01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:06.680
Yep?

1807
01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:09.800
Yeah, that's rough.

1808
01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:21.319
It's crazy. It looks crazy. Holy Moly, good golly, Miss Molly. Sorry,

1809
01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:26.960
I'm just weird all the time forever. So let's see.

1810
01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:32.600
It was a seemingly inconsequential homework assignment that saved Charles

1811
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:36.720
Lyman the Third's life on a frigid night in January

1812
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:41.600
of nineteen twenty two, then a fourteen year old prep

1813
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:45.000
school student. Lyman was visiting family in Washington, d C.

1814
01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.479
When a major snowstorm buried the city under almost two

1815
01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:54.800
and a half feet of snow. Oh my god, which

1816
01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:58.439
might be how much Washington, DC gets this from the storm.

1817
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.319
I last I heard it was like a max ofen

1818
01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:04.279
for DC. Yeah, but it could be much less. I

1819
01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:05.479
mean that's what I was hearing.

1820
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:08.119
Yeah, I don't know where the line is because I

1821
01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:11.640
know parts of South Jersey and Delaware are getting a

1822
01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:14.439
lot of mixed precipitation, So I would assume by DC

1823
01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:15.880
it would be a lot of mix.

1824
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:19.880
But yeah, which which could potentially melt the snow away

1825
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:26.239
or turn into ice hell. On Saturday, January twenty eighth,

1826
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:30.079
the second day of the blizzard, Lyman's cousin David, suggested

1827
01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:33.920
spending a cozy evening watching a movie at the Knickerbocker

1828
01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:38.000
Theater in nearby Landyar Heights now known as Adams Morgan.

1829
01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:43.479
I love that this is what was this nineteen twenty two? Yeah,

1830
01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:46.479
nineteen twenty two. I love that they go to see

1831
01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.720
a movie during a blizzard. I don't know, like that

1832
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:54.079
feels so weird to me because it's accurate. Like movie

1833
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:58.840
theaters very seldom close, so like whether it's a holiday

1834
01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:02.960
or weather, if they have power, they tend to just go. Yeah,

1835
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.239
so it is interesting that they're like let's go for

1836
01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:08.720
a cozy time, Let's go to the Knickerbocker Theater. And

1837
01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:10.560
all I'm thinking, He's like, Well, On one hand, I'd

1838
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.039
be like, why not stay helmet. On the other hand,

1839
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:13.439
I bet they could walk there?

1840
01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:16.840
Yeah yeah. And it's snowing, so it's gonna be fun

1841
01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:17.479
to walk there.

1842
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.520
Yeah yeah. Lyman told him to go ahead with a friend,

1843
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:25.159
Kirkland Duke, and promised to join the pair after finishing

1844
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:31.079
his schoolwork. Fuggin nerd Yeah. Trudging through the snow, about

1845
01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:34.000
a half a block away from the theater, Lyman heard

1846
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:39.000
a sudden boom, followed by a chorus of terrified screams.

1847
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:44.880
The Knickerbocker's roof had come crashing down, overwhelmed by the

1848
01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:50.319
weight of the record breaking snowfall. Yeah, that is crazy

1849
01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:56.640
to imagine. In total, the collapse killed ninety eight people,

1850
01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:03.600
including David and Kirkland. That sucks, and injured another one

1851
01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:09.600
hundred and thirty three. Wow. According to Kevin Ambrose, author

1852
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:12.399
of the of a twenty thirteen book on that blizzard,

1853
01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:18.520
the tragedy marked the city's deadliest single day disaster. A

1854
01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:22.560
century later, however, the Knickerbocker Theater remains little known among

1855
01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.359
the denizens of the nation's capital on the night of

1856
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:28.920
January twenty eighth, nineteen twelveh Wait, that's sorry, that's a

1857
01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:34.920
caption under the photo. Holy shoot, Sorry, these images are crazy.

1858
01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:40.239
Look at that, Like the entire roof of the theater collapsed.

1859
01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:45.279
It looks it looks like it's a wall. It's like

1860
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.000
it looks like a big stone wall. It doesn't look

1861
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:49.399
like it was a part of a building at all.

1862
01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:56.600
That's coraw Man, Okay. Quote. It's not common knowledge now,

1863
01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:59.680
says Ambrose. It was a horrendous disaster at the time

1864
01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:06.640
and widely publicized, but over the years it's slowly been forgotten. Lyman,

1865
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.720
who became a rear admiral in the United States Navy

1866
01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.239
and lived to the age of sixty nine, was a

1867
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:17.199
why rear admiral and then age of sixty nine like

1868
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:21.279
Smithsonian knows what they're doing. Yeah, they know what they're doing.

1869
01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:26.319
Was a quote very even keeled kind of person and

1870
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:30.119
didn't express much emotion about the tragedy, says his daughter,

1871
01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.880
ninety two year old Marge Miller, But he did tell

1872
01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:36.840
his family the basic facts about what would later be

1873
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:43.880
dubbed the Knickerbocker storm in honor of the fallen theater man.

1874
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:47.520
The blizzard started out as a slow moving low pressure

1875
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.680
system centered off the Atlantic Coast. It traveled north from Georgia,

1876
01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:55.600
walloping Virginia in the to the Carolinas and dumped the

1877
01:49:55.640 --> 01:50:00.399
heaviest snow a record twenty eight inches on the DCA area.

1878
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:01.359
Wow.

1879
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:04.880
I've told you. When I was growing up, occasionally they

1880
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:07.840
would send me to New Hampshire for Christmas and the

1881
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:10.520
craziest part was just seeing how much snow they got.

1882
01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:12.199
Yeah.

1883
01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:14.720
Yeah, I was used to. I was used to Dayton,

1884
01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:18.359
you know area, So you know, we we'd max out

1885
01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.000
at ten inches and it was very rare in one go.

1886
01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:22.960
So when I got there, like, yeah, it looks like

1887
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:25.079
we're gonna have one to two feet of snow. I'd

1888
01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:26.640
be like, do you mean one to two inches? They'd

1889
01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:29.560
be like, nope, one to two feet.

1890
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:30.640
Wow.

1891
01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:35.680
Yeah. Though the region has experienced severe snowstorms in the

1892
01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:39.560
decades since, during the snow called some Snowmageddon of February

1893
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:43.039
of twenty ten, the Dulles International Airport measured thirty two

1894
01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:47.239
inches of accumulation. The loss of life caused by the

1895
01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:51.880
theater collapse makes the Knickerbocker storm, the worst in DC's history.

1896
01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.479
According to Ambrose, Ooh, here's a picture of an old

1897
01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:58.880
timey car with snow on it. Wow, that's a lot

1898
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:00.159
of snow. It is you.

1899
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.439
Can barely tell that it is a car.

1900
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:06.119
Sort of, I mean, aside from the headlights again and

1901
01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:08.640
then it looks like a car in the car part. Yeah.

1902
01:51:09.720 --> 01:51:12.319
By the night of January twenty eighth, the blizzard had

1903
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:15.600
started to wind down. Braving the snow, more than two

1904
01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:18.640
hundred people walked to the theater to watch a silent

1905
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:23.159
comedy Get Rich Quick Wallingford, which has since been lost

1906
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:24.960
a lot of I don't know if you knew this,

1907
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:27.119
but like a lot of silent films. I think eighty

1908
01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:31.079
percent of silent films are lost. Wow, it's something crazy.

1909
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:33.399
There's a documentary I wish I could remember the name

1910
01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:34.439
of it off the top of my head, but it's

1911
01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:38.960
about how there was a movie theater in Alaska and

1912
01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.520
went out of business at some point in the fifty

1913
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.880
sixty seventy somewhere in there, and it's sat because the

1914
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.000
town doesn't have a very booming economy, so which just

1915
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.159
sat and in the late nineties or something, somebody bought

1916
01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:55.199
it and started cleaning it out and found dozens of

1917
01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:58.159
silent films that had been lost just sitting in their

1918
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.319
basement because it was the little end of the world,

1919
01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:03.920
like the ends of the Earth. Nobody asked for the

1920
01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.800
Prince back when they got to Alaska. It was the

1921
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:08.119
last place they'd send them.

1922
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:08.720
Yeah.

1923
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:12.800
Yeah, and that's very common, like even in more modern times,

1924
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.479
like movie theaters toward the center of the of the

1925
01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:20.159
US often end up like just keeping prints. This was

1926
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:21.600
a long time ago, but they would end up keeping

1927
01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.600
prints in the sixties and seventies and eighties because like

1928
01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:26.760
by the time they reached the middle of the country

1929
01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:29.640
and got their box office, nobody really cared anymore. So

1930
01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:32.079
if you didn't follow up and go, hey, send your courier,

1931
01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:36.319
it would just sit in your basement. Wow, because people

1932
01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:38.800
didn't see a lot of value in that stuff back then. So,

1933
01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:42.479
but yes, they literally found I think it was dozens.

1934
01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:44.560
I don't think it was hundreds, but they found dozens

1935
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:46.479
of silent movies that were lost because they were in

1936
01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:49.560
the basement of that theater. Yeah. So, but yeah, a

1937
01:52:49.600 --> 01:52:53.600
lot of them are lost. Moviegoers paid twenty five cents

1938
01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:57.439
for admission to the Knickerbocker, which Ambrose calls the Titanic

1939
01:52:57.479 --> 01:53:00.840
of Washington theaters at the time, both where it's elegant

1940
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:06.880
style and its fatal vulnerabilities to the forces of nature. Yeah. Yeah,

1941
01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:10.720
I'm curious what twenty five cents was worth in nineteen

1942
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:13.319
twenty two, because that sounds like actually a lot.

1943
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:19.119
I say ten dollars.

1944
01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.720
Dollar inflation calculator. Okay, so it's about four dollars and

1945
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:22.880
eighty two cents today.

1946
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:24.439
Oh jeez, that would have been nice.

1947
01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:27.239
Well, the reason I thought it sounded like lot was

1948
01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:31.039
because I remember when, like in the fifties, McDonald's hamburgers

1949
01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:35.760
were five cents each, So yeah, they started out as

1950
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.159
a nickel. I'm almost sure certain.

1951
01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.640
Huh, Well, movies are more important than hamburgers.

1952
01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:47.119
I mean, I would have to agree. How much was

1953
01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:53.119
a burger in McDonald's fifth Okay, I'm wrong. Fifteen cents? Okay, okay, okay, actually,

1954
01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:55.279
now it makes more sense, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, no,

1955
01:53:55.359 --> 01:54:00.239
that's super duper cheap. Anyway, I love I can't help it, Okay.

1956
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:04.520
Rabbit holes are my thing. It was the most opulent

1957
01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:07.680
and luxurious theater in DC, and it was in a

1958
01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:13.079
very high end part of town, he says, open to

1959
01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:17.840
great fanfare on October thirteenth, nineteen seventeen. The Knickerbocker had

1960
01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:20.560
a seating capacity of seventeen hundred.

1961
01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:22.319
Yeah, so the.

1962
01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.199
Two hundred people there. That was actually small, a small house,

1963
01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:28.359
thank goodness. Most people didn't want to go out in

1964
01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:32.359
the snow, I guess. Yeah, and boasted both a movie

1965
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:36.079
screen and a stage where a live orchestra played music

1966
01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.239
to accompany the silent film of the day.

1967
01:54:38.479 --> 01:54:39.319
Oh that's so cool.

1968
01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:43.199
That was pretty awesome. On the night of the collapse,

1969
01:54:43.279 --> 01:54:46.560
only about eleven of the twenty musicians showed up to

1970
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:47.760
the nine pm showing.

1971
01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:49.039
Yeah yeah.

1972
01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:53.800
Just after intermission, audience members heard a loud, hissing noise

1973
01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:58.199
that some described as the sound of sheets ripping the

1974
01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:01.199
Knickerbocker's flat roof. Oh my god, had a flat roof.

1975
01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:02.920
Well that's why I collapse, I know.

1976
01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:05.479
I mean, I just thought. I just didn't think it

1977
01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:07.359
was that obvious of a flaw.

1978
01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:08.800
Ye No, yeah, yeah.

1979
01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:11.439
Burdened by the heavy weight of the wet snow was

1980
01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.000
starting to split down the middle.

1981
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:16.079
Wow.

1982
01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:19.920
A small dust cloud started leaking from a crack in

1983
01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:24.000
the ceiling above the stage, but went unnoticed by most attendees.

1984
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:29.760
The orchestra kept on playing until the unthinkable happened. And

1985
01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:39.880
we'll talk about that right after this break. We're back

1986
01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:45.920
to the Knickerbocker collapse. Quote. In a split second, the

1987
01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:51.600
entire roof came down in one piece. Ambrose says, Wow,

1988
01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:57.079
it was the worst case scenario.

1989
01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:58.600
One piece though.

1990
01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:03.720
Yeah, oh wow. Here I'm gonna show you this is

1991
01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:05.560
the Knickerbocker in its heyday.

1992
01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:06.359
Wow.

1993
01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:07.199
That beautiful.

1994
01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:08.640
It's pretty good.

1995
01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:12.119
I mean it's not like you know, it's not it's

1996
01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:15.640
very of that time. It's not like trying to look

1997
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:20.840
super European or anything. But it's a huge theater. The

1998
01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:25.119
Sunday Star Star described the collapse in vivid terms. Quote

1999
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:29.239
came a hiss, a terrific crash, the rattle and clatter

2000
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:34.560
of falling timber, stone, steel and plaster. A stillness, an

2001
01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:41.279
unearthly pause followed the din then a scream, an agonized cry,

2002
01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:45.560
a moan beneath tons of steel and masonry. Scores of men,

2003
01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:53.560
women and children were buried. See and nowadays we read

2004
01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:57.760
the news and it's just like, oh, they put two commas. Yeah,

2005
01:56:57.800 --> 01:56:59.840
back then, they were really going for it.

2006
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:02.880
Sucks because that was really that's horrible. But also that

2007
01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.359
was beautiful and I wish that we could right like

2008
01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:05.880
that again.

2009
01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:08.560
It was engaging, and I think that that was the point,

2010
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:10.680
was to get people to engage with the news.

2011
01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:11.640
Yeah.

2012
01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:16.239
Now they just say, like, you know, this theater collapsed,

2013
01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.600
but could another theater be waiting to enter your home

2014
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.319
and kill your family too. Here's how you need to

2015
01:57:21.399 --> 01:57:23.359
vote to fix it. You know, it's just like great,

2016
01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:27.760
you know, just sell us anger. The falling The falling

2017
01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:31.600
roof struck the theater's balcony and knocked down chunks of

2018
01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:34.840
the brick walls. It hit the floor so forcefully that

2019
01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:38.279
a gust of compressed air blew out the doors and windows.

2020
01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:43.800
Oh my god, ejecting at least two people outside and

2021
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:50.000
inadvertently saving their lives. Wow, they weren't kidding. This was

2022
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:54.600
the worst case scenario. Yeah. Other audience members were killed

2023
01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:59.439
instantly or trapped under the rubble of concrete, twisted steel beams, bricks,

2024
01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:04.840
and plasts. In one haunting case, rescuers found an unidentified

2025
01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:09.159
man who'd escaped the collapse physically unscathed, protected by steel

2026
01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:12.439
beams that buckled upward in front of an air pocket,

2027
01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:20.479
but died of an apparent heart attack. All I've got chills.

2028
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:22.560
I don't know about you. I've actually got like goosebumps.

2029
01:58:22.880 --> 01:58:23.239
I don't.

2030
01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:28.319
I'm just called Oh, well, fine, which you mean? This

2031
01:58:28.399 --> 01:58:31.319
is spicy chill. Everybody likes it when they get spicy chill.

2032
01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:38.560
It's true. Sorry. Future World War II General George S. Patten,

2033
01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.840
then a major in the US Army, led the rescue effort.

2034
01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:46.039
He was recovering from an allergic reaction to seafood when

2035
01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:49.359
he was called out of bed to coordinate the complicated undertaking.

2036
01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:53.920
That poor man, that's just the start. The initial scene

2037
01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.800
was chaotic, with survivors and volunteers on the street scrambling

2038
01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.920
to pull people out of the rubble. By midnight, two

2039
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:04.920
hundred police officers, soldiers and firefighters were on the scene.

2040
01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:09.359
By six thirty am, their numbers had ballooned to six hundred.

2041
01:59:10.039 --> 01:59:10.560
Wow.

2042
01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:15.199
A fleet of ambulances from Walter Reed Army Medical Center

2043
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:19.880
helped evacuate the injured, and every hospital in the area

2044
01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:25.079
was filled with knickerbocker victims. Wow, I gotta be straight.

2045
01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:27.039
I'd never heard about this before.

2046
01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:28.760
I mean I hadn't either.

2047
01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:32.399
Yeah, this is the kind of thing that I think

2048
01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:34.399
I've mentioned on the show before, but like I struggle

2049
01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:38.159
with the topics for monthly Spooky. I mean, in my opinion,

2050
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:42.039
the show is mostly about the spooky news. But you know,

2051
01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:43.680
I like the idea that we have like a topic

2052
01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.520
to kind of learn about or deep dive or or whatever.

2053
01:59:47.640 --> 01:59:50.319
And I love history, So learning stuff like this is

2054
01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:54.199
one of my favorite parts of the show. It's why

2055
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:56.560
terrifying and true. Like get when I get too burnt

2056
01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:58.800
out on the true crime, like the heavy, crude true

2057
01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:01.399
crime stuff, I just leave, Like what folklore do I

2058
02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:04.079
want to know about? And that's what becomes the topics

2059
02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:08.159
so I can learn about it. Yeah, because I'm a nerd.

2060
02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:15.119
Several thousand onlookers gathered near the theater to watch in horror.

2061
02:00:15.640 --> 02:00:19.039
According to news reports, Local residents provided hot food and

2062
02:00:19.119 --> 02:00:22.279
coffee for rescuers, and blankets and wraps for the injured.

2063
02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:26.960
Many nearby houses and stores were converted into temporary first

2064
02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:31.680
aid stations. The rescue effort continued into the afternoon of Sunday,

2065
02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:35.199
January twenty ninth. That day, news of the tragedy had

2066
02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:37.479
hit front pages around the world.

2067
02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:39.000
Wow.

2068
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:43.600
Among the tragedy's victims was Agnes Mellon, a clerk at

2069
02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:47.079
the National Geographic Society, who rushed into the knickerbocker with

2070
02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:52.880
her boyfriend James Hoffman just as the roof collapsed. She

2071
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:55.359
was crushed to death, but he was blown out into

2072
02:00:55.359 --> 02:00:59.920
the lobby and survived. In an ironic turn of events,

2073
02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:04.520
Mellen's body was identified in the morgue by her khaki knickerbockers,

2074
02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:11.560
which were a type of baggy breeches. Another attendee, orchestra conductor,

2075
02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:18.159
Ernesto Natiello, died instantly. His wife Mary survived with minor injuries,

2076
02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.680
but his best friend's nine year old son died later

2077
02:01:21.720 --> 02:01:26.199
that night. Wow violin player Joseph Beal was enjoying the

2078
02:01:26.199 --> 02:01:29.880
fourth day of his honeymoon when Natiello talked him into

2079
02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:34.560
joining the orchestra. On the night of the collapse. Beale's

2080
02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:38.880
new bride, Margaret, opted to stay home. When she received

2081
02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:43.239
news of her husband's death the following morning, she was inconsolable.

2082
02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:45.840
See this is why you don't ask people for favors,

2083
02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.319
right Celle, Because you're like, oh God, this will be

2084
02:01:48.359 --> 02:01:51.279
the time I'm like I really need help moving this ladder,

2085
02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:53.680
you know, And then like they die from it. It's like,

2086
02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:55.399
that's because I asked them to come over.

2087
02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:59.359
Yeah. Yeah, and you'll forever feel bad about it. Yeah,

2088
02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:00.000
that sounds right.

2089
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.960
Perhaps the most tragic Knickerbocker stories are those of its

2090
02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:10.119
youngest victims, including Charles Lyman's seventeen year old cousin David.

2091
02:02:10.239 --> 02:02:14.039
A star athlete. He played baseball and basketball at Western

2092
02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:18.039
High School most Saturday's, David and his teammates stopped by

2093
02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:25.439
the Knickerbocker after their ballgames. Man. According to David's nephew Frank,

2094
02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:29.039
now an eighty four year old living in Bridgewater, New Jersey, Hey,

2095
02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:33.279
his family never discussed the tragic loss. David was a

2096
02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:36.840
leader in the community, athletic, smart, and very good looking.

2097
02:02:37.399 --> 02:02:39.680
He was the pride and joy of the family. Frank

2098
02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:44.359
says it must have been a terrible blow. Frank's grandmother

2099
02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:49.199
hired her brother, lawyer William D. Trenholm, to sue the

2100
02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:53.039
Knickerbocker Theater for negligence, but none of the families of

2101
02:02:53.039 --> 02:03:00.079
the Knickerbocker victims received constant compensation despite filing multiple lawsuits. Ah,

2102
02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:05.840
this is a tricky one, you know, because like should

2103
02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:07.680
the building should have been able to handle it, but

2104
02:03:07.720 --> 02:03:11.159
it was more snow than they'd ever seen ever. Yeah,

2105
02:03:11.199 --> 02:03:15.119
so it's hard to like gauge the fault level.

2106
02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:21.640
I guess I'm trying to remember how many square per

2107
02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:24.640
pound thing a roof is supposed to have, but I

2108
02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:26.960
don't really know off the top of my head be

2109
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:31.840
able to support that as It's hard though, But this

2110
02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:34.279
is the one. It's not like there was another theater

2111
02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:35.920
whose roof collapsed, you know.

2112
02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:39.920
I mean there might have been. I don't know, I've

2113
02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:40.319
guessed not.

2114
02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:42.720
Yeah, I don't think so that year.

2115
02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:45.720
So oh that year, Okay, maybe not that year yet. Yeah,

2116
02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:47.279
what if it was like at the bottom, it's like

2117
02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:52.800
every theater in DC's roofs collapsed. Yeah, oh yeah, Miller

2118
02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:57.279
remembers hearing about the financial hardship the situation caused. David's

2119
02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:01.159
father died one year after his son, m and the

2120
02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:05.039
family initially lacked the resources to purchase tombstones for both

2121
02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:10.319
of them. Oh wow, because the Knickerbocker met the building

2122
02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:14.800
codes of the time. Oh, there you go. Yeah, so

2123
02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:18.439
the Knickerbocker was built up to code. Okay, that's a

2124
02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:20.760
tough one, because yeah, then it's like they did everything

2125
02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:22.439
they were told they had to do to make sure

2126
02:04:22.439 --> 02:04:25.319
it was safe, right, you know, so they would have

2127
02:04:25.319 --> 02:04:27.920
no reason to believe it wasn't safe exactly.

2128
02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:29.199
Yeah. Yeah.

2129
02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:32.560
The courts declined to hold any one party liable for

2130
02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:37.079
the collapse. Still, the tragedy brought attention to potentially unsafe

2131
02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:40.800
building codes and practices. Congress, the city, and the courts

2132
02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:47.079
conducted an investigation that concluded the theater had faulty construction. Okay,

2133
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:50.000
oh well, you know, lead it to DC to say

2134
02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:53.000
it was the construction, It wasn't the laws we friggin passed,

2135
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:55.479
you know. No, no, we're always good and not at

2136
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:58.159
all corrupt, not at all, not at all. A grand

2137
02:04:58.199 --> 02:05:02.520
jury indicted Knickerbocker art detect Reginald W. Gear, and four

2138
02:05:02.600 --> 02:05:06.640
others on criminal manslaughter charges. Oh wow, but they were

2139
02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:10.840
never convicted. Both Gear and Harry crandall the owners of

2140
02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:15.119
the Knickerbocker and a host of other local theaters later

2141
02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:21.840
died by suicide. Shit, I'm guessing that that guilt was

2142
02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:22.399
too much.

2143
02:05:22.920 --> 02:05:23.239
Yeah.

2144
02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:29.199
Yeah. The Knickerbocker collapse, the investigation and the public outcry

2145
02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:32.119
that followed led to improvements in DC building codes that

2146
02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:36.239
helped prevent other tragedies like it. These updated regulations mandated

2147
02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:39.840
the use of steel eyebeams and better support for roofs.

2148
02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:44.399
At the Knickerbocker, the steel roof beams rested directly on

2149
02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:50.359
top of the brick walls. Yeah yeah, yeah. Under the

2150
02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:52.720
weight of the snow, says Ambrose, the beams quickly broke

2151
02:05:52.760 --> 02:05:53.640
free from the walls.

2152
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:55.840
Okay, yeah.

2153
02:05:56.159 --> 02:05:58.319
For those who are newer to the show, Michelle is

2154
02:05:58.439 --> 02:06:02.640
a home inspector, so she knows a little bit about

2155
02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:07.880
stuff sometimes. In September nineteen twenty three, a new venue,

2156
02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:11.119
the Ambassador Theater, opened at the site of the raised

2157
02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:16.399
Knickerbocker Theater. After more than four decades in operation, the

2158
02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:20.479
Ambassador was demolished in nineteen sixty nine. A sun Trust

2159
02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:24.600
Bank eventually rose in its place. Today, the site, located

2160
02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:28.600
at the bustling intersection of eighteenth Street and Columbia Road Northwest,

2161
02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:32.039
is home to a plaza. Developers hoping to construct a

2162
02:06:32.079 --> 02:06:34.640
condo building on the lot have faced resistance from local

2163
02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:39.760
activists who cite its importance to the community, particularly the unhoused.

2164
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:43.000
A small historical marker, installed across the street from the

2165
02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:45.399
square in two thousand and six is the only visible

2166
02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:50.680
commemoration of the Knickerbocker tragedy in Adams Morgan. Interestingly, the

2167
02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:54.000
history section of a web page dedicated to the Plaza

2168
02:06:54.399 --> 02:07:03.439
mentions the Ambassador Theater, but omits the Knickerbocker. Wow, this

2169
02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:07.359
is a photo of them removing a body. Great, let

2170
02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:09.359
me see them. You can't see the body. It's yeah,

2171
02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:13.840
But man, I can't believe this has been kind of whitewashed.

2172
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.439
Yeah.

2173
02:07:16.600 --> 02:07:20.479
Josh Gibson, founder of the Adams Morgan Partnership Business Improvement District,

2174
02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.319
points out that the Knickerbocker story quote was the banner

2175
02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:26.760
headline in The New York Times on January twenty ninth,

2176
02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:29.279
nineteen twenty two. The co author of the two thousand

2177
02:07:29.279 --> 02:07:32.720
and six book Adams Morgan Then and Now, he says, quote,

2178
02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:36.199
it definitely got nationwide attention, but it's sort of slipped

2179
02:07:36.199 --> 02:07:40.199
in modern memory. It's not George Washington's slept here kind

2180
02:07:40.199 --> 02:07:43.039
of stuff. But it doesn't make it any less fascinating

2181
02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:50.640
or any less important to learn the backstory. Wow, Yeah,

2182
02:07:51.079 --> 02:07:54.800
that's nuts. So anyway, I found that. I don't know

2183
02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:56.960
if everybody else got because we weren't as there weren't

2184
02:07:56.960 --> 02:07:59.439
as many jokes to crack. But boy, I find stuff

2185
02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:05.600
like that fascinat Yeah, so that's the Knickerbocker Winter Winter

2186
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:11.960
Blizzard tragedy. Wow. Well, we're going to take a quick

2187
02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:14.800
break and then we're going to talk about horror media

2188
02:08:14.920 --> 02:08:18.600
we've consumed screek creepy things on Reddit, and wrap up

2189
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:22.239
the show and head into February and hopefully stay warm

2190
02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:31.720
while we do it. Right after this, all right, we're

2191
02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:37.920
back wrapping up this very snowy January episode of Monthly Spooky,

2192
02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.279
and Shell hurt herself Right as I was saying that,

2193
02:08:40.319 --> 02:08:41.000
what did you do?

2194
02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:43.319
I just poked myself in a way that hurt.

2195
02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:46.640
Do you poke yourself aways that don't hurt a lot?

2196
02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:46.960
Or what?

2197
02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:47.760
Yeah?

2198
02:08:48.039 --> 02:08:50.079
Like this on poking my leg and it feels fine.

2199
02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:57.239
Okay, I stand corrected. Yeah, you win this round. So

2200
02:08:57.640 --> 02:08:59.920
one of the things I love about doing this show

2201
02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:02.760
is when I do the little horror media round up,

2202
02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:07.880
I always realize. I like it helps me realize, like, wow,

2203
02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:09.720
I watched a lot of horror movies in the theater

2204
02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.399
or you know, hey, there weren't that many and I

2205
02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:14.960
didn't realize I saw three horror movies in the theater

2206
02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:17.760
last month. Oh it's a lot. I mean, I think

2207
02:09:17.800 --> 02:09:20.800
that's a decent amount, especially it's not Halloween or anything.

2208
02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:23.319
You know, what are you gonna say?

2209
02:09:23.720 --> 02:09:25.520
No, I don't think I was gonna say anything.

2210
02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:31.880
Actually even better. Yeah, But the first one I saw was,

2211
02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:39.439
of all things, the Ana Konda remake reboots, which wasn't great,

2212
02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:43.640
but it wasn't bad. It just literally felt like they

2213
02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:46.760
had two different movies and they did not mesh at all.

2214
02:09:47.159 --> 02:09:47.439
Wow.

2215
02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.680
They had one movie about these friends who are all

2216
02:09:50.720 --> 02:09:53.960
older now and have responsibilities, but they were at their

2217
02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:56.880
happiest when they were young making little movies together. So

2218
02:09:56.920 --> 02:09:58.800
they go out to make their own Anna Conda movie

2219
02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:00.920
and that has a lot of cute stuff and like

2220
02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:02.279
great sentimental energy.

2221
02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:03.079
Yeah.

2222
02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.439
Then the other thing is like this giant snake thing

2223
02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.960
that that's like, you know, scary, and it's gonna kill everybody.

2224
02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:11.279
So they have this comedy movie that's really sentimental, and

2225
02:10:11.319 --> 02:10:15.560
then the action snake movie thing. They never meshed. They

2226
02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:19.000
just clashed the whole time. So the best way I

2227
02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:23.520
would describe the New Anaconda is a very fun mess. Okay,

2228
02:10:23.920 --> 02:10:26.319
it is a mess, but it is fun. Like there

2229
02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:28.000
was a lot to laugh at, a lot of weird

2230
02:10:28.039 --> 02:10:32.119
moments and funny moments, some good scares and creepy moments

2231
02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:36.159
too good. So I liked it. I did, But yeah,

2232
02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:37.680
it was it was a mess. It was a fun,

2233
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:42.000
fun mess. Then I saw a movie I was very

2234
02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:44.279
excited about from the moment the trailer came out, which

2235
02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:47.399
is Primate. Have you heard about that one? I don't

2236
02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:54.520
think So it's a slasher movie where a chimpanzee gets rabies.

2237
02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:58.800
Oh damn, yeah, yeah, I don't want that at all.

2238
02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:01.840
Yeah, there was. There was one part where it was

2239
02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:04.159
so mad because somebody was trying to shove the ape

2240
02:11:04.199 --> 02:11:07.640
off of something or the chimp off of something, and

2241
02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:09.920
he tried to like shove the ape and it grabs him,

2242
02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:11.960
and I was like, dude, you should have just threw

2243
02:11:12.039 --> 02:11:15.199
water on it. It has rabies. And they'd figured out, well,

2244
02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:17.479
they didn't figure out it had rabies. They somebody said,

2245
02:11:17.560 --> 02:11:22.479
can chimps get rabies? But so, you know, because it

2246
02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:26.680
gets rabies from another animal. It's not that they're totally

2247
02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:31.279
idiotic chimp owners there. They live in Hawaii and technically

2248
02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:34.760
there is no rabies on the island of Hawaii. Okay,

2249
02:11:34.840 --> 02:11:40.279
so they never really explain how a rabies infested weasel

2250
02:11:40.399 --> 02:11:44.479
or something gets gets into its cage. But that's what happens,

2251
02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:48.239
so they would not be worried about rabies, you know,

2252
02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:52.000
and on the island of Hawaii. So but I don't

2253
02:11:52.039 --> 02:11:54.439
consider this a spoiler because it happens immediately. But yes,

2254
02:11:54.520 --> 02:11:55.920
if you're like, I don't know if I want to

2255
02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.920
see the chimpanzee horror movie because I feel like they

2256
02:11:57.920 --> 02:12:00.800
won't deliver what I'm hoping for. A gets ripped off

2257
02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:01.680
in the first two minutes.

2258
02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:03.680
Good, I get so.

2259
02:12:04.359 --> 02:12:10.920
Chimpanzees are strong and terrifying, so I thought it was

2260
02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:13.640
really fun. It had some good scares. It was a

2261
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:17.840
silly slasher horror movie thing with a killer chimpanzee. They

2262
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:22.279
used like the absolute minimal cgi they could. They used

2263
02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:26.920
a animatronic ape and a chimp and a chimp small

2264
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.600
person in a chimp costume. Cool, and I'll be honest,

2265
02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:34.039
my first thought when it started was I was like, wow,

2266
02:12:34.079 --> 02:12:37.600
I thought the chimp would look better. But it didn't

2267
02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:40.680
look like a sci fi original movie or some like

2268
02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.880
Sharknado thing. It looked more like what you'd expect from

2269
02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:46.600
like the eighties or nineties. Okay, so it didn't look

2270
02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:49.960
terrible by any stretch. It just you expect the monkey

2271
02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.239
to look kind of fake, because not all Killer eight

2272
02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:55.600
movies can be Shakma where they had a baboon and

2273
02:12:55.640 --> 02:13:00.000
the baboon was literally so dangerous people kept getting hurt.

2274
02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:02.840
I don't know how you make a low budget movie

2275
02:13:02.920 --> 02:13:06.920
with a dangerous baboon, but anyway, primate a lot of fun.

2276
02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:10.439
If you like slasher movies, it's worth your time. And

2277
02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:13.720
then I saw a movie just recently that blew me away,

2278
02:13:14.920 --> 02:13:17.880
and it was twenty eight years later, The Bone Temple.

2279
02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:21.199
Oh right, it was a second twenty eight years later movie.

2280
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:27.039
Was I thought it would be fine. It was great good.

2281
02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:30.319
I really liked twenty eight years later. But the Bone

2282
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.359
Temple I liked a ton like it was. Really it

2283
02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:36.479
was a simpler story, but it was still very emotional

2284
02:13:36.520 --> 02:13:40.359
and interesting and captivating, lots of action, lots of great performances.

2285
02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:42.920
I really liked it. I'm really sad because it's bombing

2286
02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:47.279
at the box office because they teased a part three

2287
02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.000
that is like what twenty eight days later fans have

2288
02:13:50.079 --> 02:13:56.159
always wanted. Oh and supposedly part three has already been greenlit.

2289
02:13:56.359 --> 02:14:00.640
But Part one didn't break even or barely broke even

2290
02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:03.079
part two is not going to break even, so I

2291
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:06.479
wouldn't be shocked if Sony backs out. Oh no, but

2292
02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:09.439
I hope they don't because I really want one more

2293
02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:12.920
twenty eight years later sequel. But it was really really

2294
02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.000
good that one. I cannot recommend enough. You go out

2295
02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:17.399
and see it if you love horror movies. Maybe not

2296
02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.359
during the heavy snow, just to be safe, you know,

2297
02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:22.600
or at least look at the theater ceiling first or

2298
02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:27.560
the roof first. Yeah, but man, so that was really awesome. Good,

2299
02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:29.479
good month for horror movies in January.

2300
02:14:29.720 --> 02:14:30.760
Good.

2301
02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:41.239
So, but Chelle, do you have any spooky stuff from.

2302
02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:39.960
I do have one thing that I thought was a

2303
02:14:39.960 --> 02:14:43.880
little weird. I actually think will think it's a little

2304
02:14:43.920 --> 02:14:46.079
bit less weird than most people will.

2305
02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:48.760
Okay, but so I'll.

2306
02:14:48.520 --> 02:14:52.399
Try to, you know, get this right offhand. So there's

2307
02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:56.760
this dude or person and they're they're in a oh

2308
02:14:56.840 --> 02:14:59.239
I think they're in a bar with a bunch of

2309
02:14:59.239 --> 02:15:02.720
their friends, and they have a seat open next to

2310
02:15:02.760 --> 02:15:05.479
them that is for their sister who hasn't gotten there yet.

2311
02:15:05.800 --> 02:15:07.720
And this guy comes over and says, hey, can I

2312
02:15:08.039 --> 02:15:10.279
can I take this chair? Or are you guys using it?

2313
02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:16.199
And the poster says, oh, yeah, no, we're keeping it.

2314
02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:18.319
And he looks up and he realizes that he knows

2315
02:15:18.359 --> 02:15:20.840
this guy, and he's like, oh, hey Patrick, and Patrick

2316
02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:23.760
is like, oh, hey, person, I whatever your name is.

2317
02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:26.880
And so Patrick sits down with the with the poster

2318
02:15:27.239 --> 02:15:29.079
and they just chat about like what's been going on

2319
02:15:29.159 --> 02:15:30.920
in their life and shitt and stuff for a little

2320
02:15:30.920 --> 02:15:36.079
while then and stuff, shitt and stuff for a while. Yeah. Yeah.

2321
02:15:36.119 --> 02:15:40.119
So then the poster's sister comes in and he's like, hey,

2322
02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:43.000
this is Patrick. I can't believe we ran into each other.

2323
02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:44.960
And the sister's like, cool, how did you guys meet?

2324
02:15:45.560 --> 02:15:47.399
And they both look at each other and they're like,

2325
02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:51.720
I don't know where I met them. And they realized

2326
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:55.640
they have no idea how they could have met before.

2327
02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:58.600
They're both from different cities. Patrick is only there to

2328
02:15:58.640 --> 02:16:01.800
visit his friends and he doesn't know and the poster

2329
02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:04.199
doesn't know any of his friends. They like go on Facebook.

2330
02:16:04.199 --> 02:16:06.439
This is in twenty nineteen. They like go on Facebook

2331
02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.079
and they're like trying to see if they have any

2332
02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.960
mutuals or anything, and they like can't find any, and

2333
02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:13.880
they don't. They're just like what the fuck? And so

2334
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.039
the poster like, I guess diyes their hair a lot

2335
02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:18.079
and was like, what color was my hair when you

2336
02:16:18.079 --> 02:16:21.000
saw me last? And Patrick says, I, I don't have

2337
02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:25.039
any memories of you at all, and he realizes he

2338
02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:27.319
doesn't have any memories of Patrick. So they have no

2339
02:16:27.399 --> 02:16:31.880
idea what happened except that like when the guy walked up,

2340
02:16:32.159 --> 02:16:34.040
he knew he was Patrick, and he like was really

2341
02:16:34.040 --> 02:16:40.000
excited to see him. So yeah, he never figured it out.

2342
02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:43.559
I usually have some theories or ideas, but that one's

2343
02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:46.799
kind of leaving me kind of gobsbacked, to be honest.

2344
02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:49.440
Yeah, I mean the only thing I could think of

2345
02:16:49.600 --> 02:16:53.079
is that he knows a Patrick and he just like

2346
02:16:53.200 --> 02:16:55.639
got it confused for a second. And this and this

2347
02:16:55.719 --> 02:16:57.719
kid just happened to be Patrick and like he said

2348
02:16:57.719 --> 02:17:01.079
the right name, so they like kind of just ended

2349
02:17:01.159 --> 02:17:03.600
up talking and then realizing that they didn't even really

2350
02:17:03.639 --> 02:17:05.239
know each other. But I don't know, I.

2351
02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:07.319
Think I've actually had something like that happen.

2352
02:17:07.360 --> 02:17:10.920
Actually, yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes.

2353
02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:12.719
You see somebody and you know you know them, but

2354
02:17:12.799 --> 02:17:14.079
you cannot place where.

2355
02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:17.200
Yeah, I mean I've had that happened to me a ton,

2356
02:17:17.639 --> 02:17:20.719
But I'm not super good with faces or names. So

2357
02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:22.840
if someone came up to me and was like, I

2358
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:26.120
know you, I would be like sure, but then I

2359
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:27.760
wouldn't know where I knew them from.

2360
02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:32.360
Yeah, I can. I'm really good with faces, but it

2361
02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:34.799
doesn't always snap instantly. But like I will, I will

2362
02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:38.639
see an actor in a movie, and occasionally, like my

2363
02:17:38.959 --> 02:17:40.840
I'll just see like a flash of like them in

2364
02:17:40.879 --> 02:17:43.159
an outfit or something, you know, okay, and then I

2365
02:17:43.159 --> 02:17:45.000
could just like dig and dig and then eventually be like,

2366
02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:46.959
oh my god, they were in that movie I saw

2367
02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:49.159
four years ago, you know, like yeah, not always, but

2368
02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:52.760
sometimes so I don't know. I think mistaken identity is

2369
02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:57.079
probably it. Yeah, And you know, I mean, like as

2370
02:17:57.159 --> 02:18:00.639
much as we're all beautiful, wonderful snow flakes who were

2371
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:04.479
each as precious as the last, we don't all look

2372
02:18:04.520 --> 02:18:07.440
that different from each other. And a lot of people

2373
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.680
have common names. So it's totally possible that like this

2374
02:18:11.719 --> 02:18:14.000
could be one of the rare instances where two different

2375
02:18:14.040 --> 02:18:16.559
people think somebody else is somebody else kind of like

2376
02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:18.799
they don't quite know, yeah.

2377
02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:20.399
And by the time I'm sure they talk to each other,

2378
02:18:20.760 --> 02:18:22.440
like then then it's like, well then who would he?

2379
02:18:22.600 --> 02:18:25.719
I even have thought this was because or.

2380
02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:28.399
Both of them are too embarrassed to admit they don't

2381
02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:30.760
remember how they met, so they both just go with

2382
02:18:30.840 --> 02:18:33.879
it like they never met at all. Yeah, and they're

2383
02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:37.719
both like, yeah, yeah, because I've I've been guilty somebody. Really,

2384
02:18:38.239 --> 02:18:39.959
I usually remember people though.

2385
02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:42.600
I don't so I usually yeah, sure at that show

2386
02:18:42.879 --> 02:18:45.079
until they say, like at the show where everybody died,

2387
02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:47.479
and I'm like, kind of don't feel like I was

2388
02:18:47.559 --> 02:18:50.200
at that show because I didn't die.

2389
02:18:50.719 --> 02:18:54.280
I mean I met the royal everybody, not the everybody.

2390
02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.840
That one's pretty creepy. I like that. That's creepy. That

2391
02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:01.920
one's scarier than it is creepy. You know why why

2392
02:19:02.040 --> 02:19:06.040
Because it's either some terrifying glitchen the matrix are like

2393
02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:12.200
mind's breaking, or it's awkward social interactions, so exactly terrifying.

2394
02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:16.559
So well done, Shell, well done. Thanks Well, it's time

2395
02:19:16.600 --> 02:19:19.159
for us to wrap up this month's monthly spooky Hope

2396
02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:22.760
everybody is staying warm and safe and comfortable chill. I

2397
02:19:22.799 --> 02:19:25.879
hope you weather the storm very well. I will be

2398
02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:29.239
keeping in touch with you to see who gets the

2399
02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:32.399
most snow. Ye, I'm kind of excited about the snow

2400
02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:34.959
part as long as things don't go haywire. But you

2401
02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:37.479
guys might get ice, so I hope you keep your power.

2402
02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:39.920
Me too. Do you have a plan for if your

2403
02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:40.600
power goes out?

2404
02:19:41.600 --> 02:19:45.639
Be cold? I guess turn my water off. That's it. Yeah.

2405
02:19:45.719 --> 02:19:47.120
I mean, like, are you not going to like gather

2406
02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:50.559
gigs so you can, like, you know, huddle up and

2407
02:19:50.920 --> 02:19:51.440
share heat.

2408
02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:53.639
I mean I would, but she would come to me

2409
02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:54.520
because she'd be cold.

2410
02:19:54.639 --> 02:19:58.360
So it's like, yeah, well, I hope it doesn't come

2411
02:19:58.399 --> 02:19:58.600
to that.

2412
02:19:59.000 --> 02:19:59.360
Thanks.

2413
02:20:00.120 --> 02:20:03.200
If it does, I'm only six hundred and twenty mile

2414
02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:09.399
drive away, great in the snow, in the snow and ice. Yeah,

2415
02:20:09.440 --> 02:20:11.879
and that's you know, just just nine hours of driving.

2416
02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:15.360
So yeah, but thank you all for joining us on

2417
02:20:15.559 --> 02:20:17.959
Monthly Spooky. We do appreciate it. You're always welcome to

2418
02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:22.000
email us at Weeklyspooky at gmail dot com and beyond that.

2419
02:20:22.079 --> 02:20:25.000
I'll see you guys back here tomorrow for this week

2420
02:20:25.399 --> 02:20:30.360
in horror history. So until next month, chill. The final

2421
02:20:30.360 --> 02:20:34.879
word is yours, So like, do you.

2422
02:20:34.879 --> 02:20:37.639
Want me to say yours.

2423
02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:39.719
For I'm so mad at you? That was the joke

2424
02:20:39.799 --> 02:20:42.120
I was going to go for, and you friget.

2425
02:20:43.479 --> 02:21:09.520
Sorry, we'll talk about