Dec. 29, 2025

Monthly Spooky | New Years True Crime, Bigfoot on I-80, & Conjuring House Lawsuit

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Monthly Spooky: Weird News, Haunting Stories, And Urban Legends
Monthly Spooky true crime + paranormal to close out the year: a chilling wrongful conviction case tied to a 1987 Times Square-area murder that stole decades from two lives—and the long road to exoneration when the truth finally surfaced.

Inside this episode:
  • The New Year’s Eve case: The wrongful convictions of Eric Smokes and David Warren after a 1987 murder near Times Square, including intense police pressure, a pivotal witness, and the fallout that followed for decades.
  • The turning point: How a later confession/letter from a key eyewitness helped get the charges vacated in 2024—and what it says about the system.
  • The human cost: The psychological toll of prison, relationships under strain, and the heartbreak of support that didn’t get to see vindication in time.

Plus fresh spooky news:
  • Haunted real estate and why “haunted house” can mean big bucks (and big drama).
  • A mysterious burial site discovery in ancient Scotland.
  • Bigfoot/Sasquatch reported near Interstate 80 (and the BFRO getting involved).
  • Kansas City jazz bar ghosts, investigations, and what counts as “evidence.”
  • Oarfish and omens—because nature loves a good horror teaser.
  • The Conjuring House controversy: from “save the home” chatter to lawsuit talk and why the story won’t stay dead.

New here? This episode stands alone—jump in for the true crime deep dive, stay for the weird headlines and paranormal rabbit holes.
What creeps you out more: a monster in the woods, or a system that can erase your life on paper?

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Conjuring up a lawsuit. Haunted real estate is big Bucks,

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a mysterious burial site in ancient Scotland, and Bigfoot is

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hanging out off of Interstate eighty. Get comforted towing off

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the lights. It's Monthly Spooky. Well, my friends, not only

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is it that time of the month, but it is

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the last Monday of the year two thy and twenty five.

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And I am, of course, your host Enrique Kuto here

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with my good buddy and Monthly Spooky co host Michelle. Michelle,

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how are you? You know?

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Just like that and stuff.

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Michelle acts all low key, but she shows up in

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a Christmas sweater, which I love that she's wearing Christmas sweater.

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I mean I've been wearing it for days though.

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Now, yeah, because it's Christmas time. It's it's post Christmas,

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but it's still Christmas time. You know. See where you are,

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it's cold. It's not cold here right now.

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I know. I looked at your weather a couple of

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days ago because I wanted to see if you were

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going to get the snow that everyone's good got here

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and it said it's going to be really warm there.

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Yeah, and and and we got an obscene amount of

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snow like a week ago, like we we had we

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had we had one big snowstorm and we had one

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big freeze where it got to almost zero yeah, which

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is really cold. I remember because I sent you the

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screen cap of that and you were like, Wow, if

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we hit that temperature, I just wouldn't have pipes anymore.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I am very grateful that my my my modest ranch

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house has all of the plumbing centrally right at the

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bathroom in the kitchen on either side of the wall.

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You know, Like, I'm really glad it's all centralized, because

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I very much I still will like drip my taps

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if it gets that freaking cold, but I really doubt

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as long as my house is heated that they would

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ever freeze.

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Yeah. Also, you have a you're on a slab and

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you only have one floor, so your pipes shouldn't even

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be going in your walls really, I mean unless it's

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got to get to a fixture or something.

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We have one pipe that goes to the front of

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the house for a for a hose, but we shut

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that off and drain it before the winter. I don't

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even my mom used to just be like, up, it's

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the end. Of the season. Shut it off. I use

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it so little. I just shut it off when I'm

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done with it, like I just turn because I have

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it has a little shut off valve, and then you

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just leave it open on the other side with like

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a bucket under it in case it drips a little

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or whatever. But that way, if there is any water

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stuck in it, it won't burst it because it has

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somewhere to go when it expands. Homeowner information yay, like

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homeowner stuff. But no, it is. Of course, we're recording

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this just actually just like a day before it airs,

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really so it's still the post holiday glow and we're

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heading into the new year, twenty twenty six. And but

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how was your holiday? HL? Was it good?

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Yeah? It was. It was fine. Yeah, I just talked

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was the family table?

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Yeah? Yeah, look at you bragging.

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Yeah.

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I spent some time with my mom on Christmas Day.

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On Christmas, even Rachel and I saw her family. And

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on Christmas Day, my mom is weird about Christmas, so

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like she'd be like, I don't want to do a

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thing or whatever, like that's fine, and then she'd be like,

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so I cooked lunch, like come over, and I'm like, oh,

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my gosh, Mom, like it always ends up basically being

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a Christmas thing after she says she doesn't want to

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do a Christmas thing, and I'm like, that's fine, mom.

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I remember for years she used to have me over Christmas.

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Even she would make or dervs okay, and then when

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and then she was like, I just like, it's just

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so much work. I was like, Mom, I'll just bring

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a pizza. It's not really the thing. And then she

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every time at the last bit she's like, no, no,

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I've cooked some stuff. And I'd be like, you are

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doing this. No one is like, gee, sure, hope you

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make X, Y and Z or else Christmas is ruined.

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It's it's funny how that. I'm sure I'm basically that

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way in some ways. But but no. We had a

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good time and then came back to the house and

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I cooked well, I glazed a ham because the ham

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was already cooked, but I glazed ith, which was a

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lot of work compared to like making a whole turkey.

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It was like similar and it was literally a pre

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cooked ham that I was glazing. Learned a lot though,

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Next time I glaze a ham, I'll do a lot better.

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I'm sure you did a good job.

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Oh, it just took a really really long time because

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I in hindsight, I was like, oh, if I had

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just cut it in half and done two slabs, it

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would have heated up faster. The glazing would have been easier.

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But I was just doing the whole piece.

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It's like when you microwave things and you make them

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into little pieces so they microwave better.

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I don't do that, but that's cool. Well, when I

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microwave something big, I just microw with it at a

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lower power setting.

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Oh like smart person.

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Yeah, well it does take a long time, though. Yeah.

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You can. You can take like, let's say you have

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a piece of egg plant farmers on Huh, you can

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cut it in half and then it will cook faster.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and with glazing and ham it's even

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better because more surface area means more crispy glazy parts.

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Yeah.

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So, and the glaze was brown sugar, honey, Worcester shear

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sauce and uh and dijon okay, which was really really good. Good.

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So anyway, I haven't spoken of anything spooky so far,

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fair enough, Uh, but no, it turned out really well.

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And that was the third turkey I've made since Thanksgiving. Wow,

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I am the king of Turkey. The third one it

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was just as good as the other two. Holy moly,

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I'm really good at making turkey good. Like, oh oh,

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I made gravy from scratch, I made turkey stock. I'm

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making turkey and dumplings tomorrow.

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That sounds really nice.

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Yeah, because I have a ton of turkey left over.

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Because it was just me and Rachel and Keith came

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by so because his family does Christmas on Christmas Eve too,

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so I was like, well, then, homie, come over and

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have dinner with us because we're just hanging out. Yeah,

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And it would have been obscene if it had been

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just us with a frigging We didn't have a whole turkey.

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We just had a breath the breast. This time we

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got like a whole two turkey breasts, so it wasn't

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quite as obscene as if we had a whole turkey

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and a hole honey, big tam. But it was still

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way too much food. I was like piling his plate

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like please, please, please, just crying take more. So but no,

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it was a good holiday. Did you get any gifts

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of note or are you just hateful?

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I'm just hateful?

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I know, but.

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Yeah, no, I I just asked for something because everyone

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was like, what do you want?

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What do you want?

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So it was like, here, give me these things. So

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I got those things my mom.

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I don't think I've told you about this yet. My

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mother gave just hands me this basket with like, you know,

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the paper in it, you know, to pull it out

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to see what's in it, tis shoe it. It was

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full of Portuguese stuff she had spent like a month buying,

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like Portuguese sardines and anchovies and smoked muscles. She got

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me Portuguese plums, which are like apparently like a delicacy.

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They're they're like a sweet and dried plum that's like

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a very specific style to Portugal. Just all these Portuguese

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goodies that are like imported because Portugal has some of

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the greatest seafood on earth because it's you know, a

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massive amount of its of it is coastal in the

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middle of the Mediterranean, right so or not the middle

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of the Mediterranean, but you know what I mean, it's

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near the Mediterranean. Don't ask me questions anymore. But it

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was just really really thoughtful, and she got me an

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apron that had like Portugal stuff all over it. Oh.

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I just thought that was really sweet because like, yeah,

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it's not where I get the Portuguese from. So it

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was very sweet of her to like be thinking of

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me and be like, I bet he'd really love this,

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and she was right cool, So that was really nice.

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I only cried a little bit. I tried to hold

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that back because that was just so insanely thoughtful.

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Yeah it really yeah, it really is.

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And she got me a record player, oh, which Amazon

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ruined the surprise on because she had that sent to

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me so I could open it in the morning and

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they sent it in a clear plastic bag. I hate them,

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and it was it was marked as like as a gift,

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so Mom complained. They gave her a thirty dollars credit

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for doing that, which was nice. I told her to

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do that though, I said, like you can plain, they'll

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give you something. But I hooked it up on Christmas

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morning and could not get it to work. I was

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struggling and struggling. Well, at first it was I'd put

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the belt on wrong, so I redid it. But it's

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bluetooth so I could keep it on one side of

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my room and have it. I want to have it

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streamed to my sound system, you know, because I have

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a big change system. I'm messing with the Bluetooth because

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there's no like app. It's just buttons, you know, press

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a button, is it blinking? Is it not? So I'm

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pressing all these buttons, and all of a sudden we

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hear the music. Because I had gotten a bunch of

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Christmas albums. Since I knew I was getting a record player,

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I started buying albums. So we all of a sudden

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we hear my like Christmas Blues album start playing. But

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it's coming from somewhere else, so we're like, what the

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we go into the kitchen. It's playing from our smart.

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Stove, where that's where I'd wanted to play.

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Apparently I didn't even know this. Our Spurs stove has

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like a full Bluetooth speaker setting, so but then I

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couldn't figure out how to disable it, so it just

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kept only connecting that. So I had to put the stove

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away from the wall and unplug it. Oh god, I'm

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sure there was another way, but I was at that point.

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I was like, I just wanted to listen to a

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record while I unwrapped my presence.

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You could even unwrap them in the kitchen with the stove.

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That would have been so nice.

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It is a really nice stove and it deserves a

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thorough cleaning after what we put it through this holiday.

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I would really like that though, Like I don't want

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a smart stove, but I'd love if my stove could

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connect to Bluetooth so I can play things.

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You could just you can just access YouTube and Spotify

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in the stove. I knew that's really cool because the

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touch screen on it is basically just an Android phone,

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so you wow, go on the Internet and do all

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kinds of stuff.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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That was a housewarming gift last year. So my mother

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was just like, get the nicest one. I was like, Mom,

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that's stupid, and she was like that one, and I

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was like, oh god, because literally my limit was like,

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I don't need one that connects to the internet. It's fine.

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And then I was like, you're going to get not

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only is your connect to the internet, it connects the

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most to the internet.

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My refrigerator connects to the internet in that you can

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see your settings in an app. It doesn't like it

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doesn't have a screen, it doesn't have speaker. You know.

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everything through the panel as well. It's just you can

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pull up your smart app and just be like, oh okay,

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oh yeah, the deep freeze, turn that on. You know,

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you can do whatever anyway. I see, I'm getting I'm

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almost forty, and I'm really showing it now by talking

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about home goods all the day, all the live long day.

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But we're going to take a quick break and then

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when we get back, we'll be talking about spooky news stories.

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But I want to mention our topic today. I went

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for something a little different because I've been talking a

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lot about folklore and things like that. So this year

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we're going to talk about an article I discovered about

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how there was in the nineteen eighties, two tourists were

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charged with murder at New Year's Eve in Times Square,

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and forty years later their convictions were overturned. Oh okay, Yeah,

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it's a really interesting story. So that'll be our topic

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for this week, as well as talking about horror media,

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et cetera, et cetera. But for now, we'll take a

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quick break and be back with that spooky news for you.

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And we're back and before we start. First of all,

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I love that we start recording and Shell immediately begins

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a big yawn. Sorry, it was it was perfect. It

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was so well timed. I would like to believe you

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did it on Porpoise.

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Sure I did.

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But before we start with the news, I wanted to

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mention that on Christmas Eve, I was sitting up watching

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movies and I got a notification at like six o'clock

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that I had this big package from FedEx and that

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it was still on its way to be delivered. And

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the app even said like the name of my delivery driver,

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you know. It was like saying all this stuff, and

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I was like, well, that's weird because I was like,

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I didn't even expect to get that early. It was

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a work thing, so I didn't even expect to get

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it early. And I'm not even I don't even care

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if it's delayed. But it was weird. It said it

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was out for delivery. So at about nine o'clock I

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checked the app again and it says it's still out

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for delivery, and I was like, well, FedEx, does you

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know they can be intense, but geez. So I went

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and got twenty dollars and just sat it on the

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coffee table, and I was like, man, if this actually comes, yeah,

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I got to give that dot driver a tip because

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like it's getting later and later. It didn't give up

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until midnight. Then all of a sudden, the app was

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just like, oh, yeah, it'll be there. We don't know

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when it'll be there. And I was like, you gave

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me like a moderate amount of guilt thinking this driver

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was still to deliver a box of rigid insulation that

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I don't even need before Christmas. You know, oh I

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got that for my mother in law. Yeah Christmas. Yeah,

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well I know that shell that's what you asked for

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for Christmas.

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But one got me rigid insulation. I'd be like, yeah,

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because I need it.

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So the face you're making makes me think you don't

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need rigid insulation.

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No, I just just trying to decide what I would

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need it for exactly.

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It's the good stuff rock wool seven oh three hmmm. Yeah.

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I make acoustic panels with it.

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That's nice. I don't like my wall to be made

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of rocks. But I understand.

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Wait did I say rock woll You did?

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And that's right.

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No, it's not rock wol. It's sorry, it's it's no,

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this is Owen's Corning seven O three. I got confused. Yeah, no,

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this is fiberglass.

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Oh oh gross. I mean it's good stuff.

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I just well, it's rigid, so like you have to

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like rip at it to get the part of particulates.

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Like it's it's like a nice solid board. So but

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I did meet rock. Those are the only two brands

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I deal with this, Rockwool and Owen's Corning. So of

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course I said the wrong one. But anyway, uh, that

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being said, was happy that our driver, whose name on

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the app was Billy, was not actually delivering my rigid

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insulation at eleven thirty at night on Christmas Eve.

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Yeah, yeah, I didn't have I did have an Amazon

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driver deliver something to me last week after nine, which

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it was actually super annoying because I wasn't even sure

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it came because I used my mom's Amazon, so I

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don't get the notification and it just ended up sitting

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out overnight because I didn't know because they didn't ring

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the doorbell, which you should if it's that late, so

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I can ring the package inside.

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The argument could be made not to ring the doormill

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because it's that late. Fine, whatever, I mean I had

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the post office postal workers dropping stuff off after eight

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or nine like three times over the last couple of weeks.

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So yeah, the post Office. You could really tell when

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they started kicking in the mandatory overtime because everything I

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was mailing was taking like quite a while. And then

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all of a sudden, I get a notification that like

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all the things I've been waiting for are all coming

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on the same day, like the twenty second, and I

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was like, oh.

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Yeah, yeah, I had something that was coming. It was

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a gift for my brother, and it was like, oh,

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it'll be here on the twenty six and I was

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like that's a while, and it's like it's coming today

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on the twenty first.

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I was like, oh, okay, sure, though I'm still waiting

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for your gift.

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Damn it.

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I don't know if it's uh, I think it might be.

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I don't know if it made it to Dayton today

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or not, so we'll have to see. It's probably coming today.

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They said it was gonna be here yesterday, but it

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was it was only it was in Indianapolis.

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So I love when they do that, when they're like

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it's out and it's like you're not even in my

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town yet.

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Not even in my state yet. Yeah. Well you know

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it's the thought that probably counts hurtful since I got

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your present nice and early, but you did, yeah well yours,

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but yours is handmade so now, but mine was picked

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with thought. You know what. I'm tired of you judging

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me all rights without even more ado. Let's get in

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to the spooky news, the spooky new use so to

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end the year, I thought we would go with tradition.

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This spooky news story is from Mirror dot co dot uk. Wow,

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yeah it's it was published yesterday, so it is brand new.

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Headline reads policeman takes photo of deadly car crash before

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noticing truly chilling detail.

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I mean it is a car crash.

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You find car crashes truly chilling? Yeah yeah, me too.

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Actually yeah. A policeman claimed to see the exact moment

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a crash victim's spirit left his body after looking at

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photo looking back at photos of the scene. So the

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photo they've included is a obscenely blurry image of a car,

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like the camera is clearly not being held steadily, Like

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there's streams of stuff all over it, and it looks

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to me like steam or smoke or fog. It's a

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pretty awful image. I would show it to you Chell,

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but that thing isn't working right now.

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Oh that's okay.

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John Bullwear was killed in a horrific car crash outside.

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Oh wow, this is from back in the day. That

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explains why the car looks so old. Okay was killed

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in a horrific car crash outside of Saint Paul, Minnesota,

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on December twenty seventh, nineteen eighty four. Oh this is

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but this was published yesterday, this article the teenager. Well,

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it's Mirrore, Dakota, you k there, Like, where's we gotta

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find ghost stuff? Right now? We got to move the eighties.

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Check the eighties. See if there's any tubular ghost stories. Bro.

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Yeah.

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The teenager had been on his way to watch mega

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star Prince play in his hometown of Minneapolis, just twenty

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minutes away. Oh jeez, I wonder if he stopped to

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purify himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. Maybe you

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need to see Purple Rain. Yeah, the Prince movie.

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Yeah.

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The best part about Purple Rain I only saw it

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a few years ago. The best part about Purple Rain

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is that Prince is supposed to be like a really

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tough dude, and he's Prince. There's a part where like

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he gets hit and he's like, ah, like and you're

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just like, yeah, that's Prince. I like Prince, but that's Prince.

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Prince is not a tough guy. He also just like

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at one point, just like whax, his love interest like

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hits her like right across the face and I wasn't

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expecting it, so I burst into laughter in a movie

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theater because I just was not ready. I was like,

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there's no way he's gonna just cold cock apollonia. Oh yeah,

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he colds. Yeah. But Purifying Yourself in the Waters of

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Lake Minnatonka is one of my favorite gags in the movie. Basically,

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he's riding around on a motorcycle because he's a tough

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guy with this woman that's in love with him, and

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he tells her like, if you love me, would you

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purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka, Because you know,

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he's from Minnesota and he was very proud of it.

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He wanted everything he did to be about Minnesota. So

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she says she would. So she gets in the water

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and it's freezing cold, and she like kind of like

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what you know, dips herself in it, and she's like

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all freezing cold, and he's like laughing, and she's like, there,

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I did it. He's like, well, there's one problem. That's

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not Lake Minnetonka. And I I always think that that's

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not Lake Minnetonka. Oh yeah. But he tragically lost his

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life after the car he was in careened off the

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road and smashed into a tree. YouTuber mister Ballin explained

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that sixteen year old John had been in the front

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passenger seat of the car at the time of the collision.

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He was being driven alongside three of his friends, one

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who was behind the wheel of the car. According to

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the testimony's, weather conditions have been particularly poor that night,

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but the pals were so excited for the concert they

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didn't care. This is why you have to be careful

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with how much you liked. Prince. Yeah, your face is

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so pained.

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I mean I was going to say, like, don't drive

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when it's bed outside and things, but yeah, Prince.

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But Prince. Yeah. But they were blasting music and chatting

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with each other. The teens were thrilled to make their

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way to Indiana or to Minneapolis and watch what mister

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balland described as their hometown hero. John turned to his

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friends in the back to exclaim how happy he was

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to be seeing the Purple Rain singer. But it was

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at this moment that the driver lost control. I don't

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know how they would know that. Oh, somebody might have lived.

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I think it sounds like some of them lived.

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Yeah, sending the car off the road and hitting a tree.

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Police were called the scene just minutes later and found

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John dead in the front passenger seat. Miraculously, the other

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three occupants of the car escaped with minor injuries, but

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were otherwise deemed okay. Officers to be okay, they're never

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going to be okay because they missed Prince. Yeah, officer,

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But what if it was like the police immediately took

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the boys the rest of the way to the concert. Yeah, officer,

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brown Coil. I know, I may bee sounding really heartless

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making these jokes. It was forty one years.

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Ago, so what it doesn't matter because it was a

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long time ago.

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Yes, okay, it's a mirror dot co dot UK article.

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It's hard to Yeah, it's hard to not taunt them

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a little bit, officer. Holy crap, Uh, that is much scarier.

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They zoomed in on a part of the image. And

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now I'm actually kind of weirded out.

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Oh yay.

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Officer Brown Coyle had the unenviable task of taking pictures

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of the scene and John's dead body on his phone.

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What that doesn't make any sense? This says nineteen eighty four.

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Um, there were phones in nineteen eighty.

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Four on his phone.

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I maybe somebody just fucked up.

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I think they just missed yeah, because they like.

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Didn't understand that there were cell phones just hanging out

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and around everyone in nineteen eighty four.

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I guess so. But it wasn't until he looked back

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at the photos that he noticed something eerie. In one picture,

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a blurry photo of the wrecked jeep can be seen

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still hoisted against the tree that claimed John's life. However,

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in the top right hand corner, a flash of yellowish

464
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:22.720
light can be seen that seems to be in the

465
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.039
shape of a face that bears a startling resemblance to John.

466
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.799
It actually does. It looks like a screaming face. Oh

467
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.119
good with like a white guy with brown hair. It

468
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.000
looks a lot like him. Wow, I'm honest. Wow, it's creepy.

469
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.160
We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back.

470
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.440
We'll talk more about this, But that image, I'm not

471
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.240
gonna lie. When they enhance it and zoom it in,

472
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:58.920
it does look very eerie. Right after this, all right,

473
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.960
we're back and I've shown Shell the images in question. Yeah,

474
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:09.039
and I loved your reaction when you saw the image.

475
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.079
That gave me the reaction like, whoa, it really does

476
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.200
look like a screaming face m hm, right above the

477
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:15.799
wrecked car.

478
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:16.720
Yeah.

479
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.000
So what you were saying, it's you feel it's very

480
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:23.640
much paradolia, which is the finding of faces in images.

481
00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:28.680
Well, I think I said it's probably paradolia because because

482
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.200
I'm a person, so I can't be objective on how

483
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.640
I look at things. My brain's doing things all the time.

484
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.880
But it really looks like a face with hair that's screaming,

485
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.599
and it's kind of upsetting, honestly.

486
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.079
And it does look like John a little. It like

487
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.079
resembles him a bit. Yeah, quite a bit. Actually, yeah,

488
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.880
it's a little bit.

489
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.000
It's a little unnerving because I could I mean, if

490
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.000
somebody was like, no, that's totally a ghost, I'd be like,

491
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:54.559
I mean, I can't say that it's not.

492
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:59.559
Honestly, it looks like a Yeah, like a side profile

493
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:05.920
of man's screaming. There is one possibility that I thought

494
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.680
of immediately, though, It is that because the photo is

495
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:14.759
so blurry. Yeah, like it really is blurry. It's like

496
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.279
a horribly taken photo. What if it's a double exposure

497
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.359
and the other picture was a really shitty blurry picture

498
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.279
of John's corpse.

499
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.559
I mean, that would be terrible because.

500
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.279
The moving of the camera could make it look like

501
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.200
it's screaming when in reality it was just a body

502
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:30.759
laying there.

503
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.519
I mean, yeah, it's possible.

504
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.640
That's my first thought, because it looks it looks too

505
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.279
much like a face for me to feel comfortable saying

506
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:45.039
it's just paradolia, because it even has shoulders. Um, yeah,

507
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:46.799
it even has like kind of shoulders, like if he

508
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.720
was wearing flannel. That that's what it looks like to me.

509
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:50.799
But of course, now I'm.

510
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:56.599
Just now, I was just seeing that as like a blur,

511
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:58.880
the area that you see his shoulders.

512
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.359
So some believe it was John spirit shouting as he

513
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.279
hovers over the scene of the crime. The collection of light,

514
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.519
as mister Balin explains, looks eerily similar to John Bolwaar's

515
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.640
face and seems to capture the moment of John's spirit

516
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:18.119
departing earth. Mister Balin continued, this is showing his final

517
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.160
moment of life when he died, screaming as the car

518
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.960
is about to crash into this tree while he's taken

519
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.880
some liberties. YEA, I like mister Balin, but he's a

520
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.400
really good storyteller. He added that when this photo was

521
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.079
released to the public, there was a huge response from

522
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:39.559
people who argued whether or not it was real. Officer

523
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.519
Coyle remains to this day flummixed by what he caught.

524
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.279
He said, quote on the side of the picture of

525
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.359
the vehicle facing the driver's door above the vehicle, above

526
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.759
about even with where the front passenger seat would be sitting,

527
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.480
there was a clear image of a face. It appeared

528
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.759
to be in agony a scream. It had distinct hair

529
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:02.079
and a distinct profile. However, Coil adds, they could explain

530
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.000
some of the small things that are in each picture,

531
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.839
but each of them told me they can't explain all

532
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.119
of the things that are going on in one picture.

533
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.160
There's no explanation in my mind, and the experts haven't

534
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.359
been able to give me an explanation either.

535
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.960
I guess it's I guess we'd have to know what

536
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.200
the other pictures looked like to know if this is

537
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:21.640
a double exposure too.

538
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.039
Yeah, I mean we have yeah, we don't have any

539
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:25.559
of the other.

540
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.079
Pictures I thought I would have, like crime scene pictures.

541
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.279
No, because I swear, I mean, it looks enough like

542
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.079
a face that I think it is. But also I

543
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:40.440
know enough about double exposure to know that he's he

544
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.200
falls off at the shadows, and that's what double exposure does,

545
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.559
only the bright image is captured and everything dark is lost.

546
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:53.119
So it looks like double exposure to me. Absolutely yeah.

547
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.279
And it looks and it looks to be just as

548
00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.599
distorted and shaky, shakily taken as the initial Both photos

549
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:06.200
look really really distorted from a shaky hand. But that

550
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.400
is one of the more I actually was not expecting

551
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.599
to be that freaked out. Yeah, usually when especially when

552
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.799
it's weerdor dot code at UK. But yeah, but when

553
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.000
it's when it says like a picture police officer captures,

554
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.480
you know, ghost in photo, I'm like, uh cool, I'm sure,

555
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:26.079
I will, I'm sure, all care And then it's uh yeah,

556
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:32.839
yeah that was pretty freaky. So but with that all said, Shell,

557
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:39.240
this is an article for you Oh, this is from

558
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:45.319
Nbcpalmsprings dot com and the headline is Ghosts Welcome the

559
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.640
surprisingly hot market for haunted homes.

560
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.240
Huh Palm Springs.

561
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.000
I mean, that's where the article comes from. So we'll

562
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.559
we'll see what what more we discover. At first glance,

563
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.839
a haunted home might seem like a deal breaker. Strange stories,

564
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.599
eerie legends, and whispers of paranormal activity that can give

565
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.839
some buyers pause. Yeah, but what about the like, what

566
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.960
about the you know, what's the uh, what's the big

567
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.079
on the mortgage? Like, now that's the interest rate. Let's see.

568
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.359
But in this edition of Property Perspectives, real estate expert

569
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.200
Sorry Harner of California Vibes dot Net explains why a

570
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.960
spooky reputation doesn't always hurt a home's market value, and

571
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.599
in some cases can actually help it stand out. Sorry

572
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.880
says While some buyers are immediately turned off by the

573
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:43.559
idea of a haunted house, others are intrigued. So Shell,

574
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.480
would you be one of the intrigued?

575
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.599
No, No, not really, I mean not intrigued in the

576
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.599
I'm going to buy it way. I'm intrigued. Maybe I'd

577
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.319
like to go there and check it out. But I

578
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:04.400
don't really want a house that is noticeably haunted. No

579
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.000
offense to anything in my house.

580
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:13.480
I love that it was noticeably haunted. Yes, that that

581
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.160
is honestly the best part.

582
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.039
Yeah, well, I mean what can you do if there's

583
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.480
just things? But if the things are like touching me

584
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.559
and saying like, hey, you got to do stuff. I

585
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:26.079
don't want that.

586
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:31.920
So give me a couple of examples of noticeably haunted.

587
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:40.880
Like if like you, I don't know, like things, let's

588
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.720
let's do the classic, like cabinet doors open all the

589
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:44.920
time even though you're not.

590
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.920
I was gonna say, doesn't that could just be bad

591
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.240
cabinet tree.

592
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.880
Right, I mean you'd have to be really like off

593
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.640
to have them opening all the time, especially it's all

594
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.640
of them. I would kind of be worried that maybe

595
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.400
things aren't secured properly that.

596
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.039
Oh, like secured against ghosts.

597
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.559
Yeah, yeah, they didn't. They didn't do that ghost securing.

598
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.480
These cabinets are so well made they hold spirits inside

599
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.480
them until you open them in order to fetch a

600
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.559
cup of sugar or your favorite mug. That's they don't

601
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.039
make them like they used to, you know, No, you

602
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:23.799
just go into the cabinets just like the Ark of

603
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:25.880
the Covenant. It's like it's like the exact same thing,

604
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.880
except as a cabinet. Now m hm, you're like, wow,

605
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.200
so that'll hold in all of the old world gods. Yeah,

606
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.000
sure will.

607
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.960
Yeah, And I saft closing doors, but you shouldn't use

608
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.119
them because you want to close it really fast.

609
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.039
I wasn't ready for that. That was That was good.

610
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.400
We're gonna take We're gonna take a quick break, and

611
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.640
then we'll learn some more about the market values of

612
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:09.319
haunted houses after this. All right, we're back. I managed

613
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:17.200
to regain my composure after Sheell's comments about slow clothes.

614
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:23.359
All right, so sorry, says. While some buyers are immediately

615
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.599
turned off by the idea of haunting, others are intrigued.

616
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.480
For certain shoppers, a home's history adds character and charm,

617
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.359
especially if the property is older or architecturally unique.

618
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:37.319
Well I mean sure.

619
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.079
Some buyers even see these homes as conversation starters or

620
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.759
opportunities to own something that's truly one of a kind.

621
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.839
There's also a practical side to the appeal. Homes with

622
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.480
a stigma, including those rumored to be haunted, may sometimes

623
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.359
be priced more competitively.

624
00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.359
Yeah.

625
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:05.599
Yeah, that's my favorite, like trope line when the house

626
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.799
is like the walls are bleeding and stuff is like,

627
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.279
how do you think we got the place so cheap?

628
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:09.759
Mmm?

629
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.920
Remember did you watch Clarisa Explains at all when you

630
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:14.400
were a kid?

631
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.160
Yeah?

632
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.279
I loved Clarissa. Were you a big Clarissa fan? Yeah?

633
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.319
She was so cool. She was cool, Like you want

634
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:22.039
to hang out with her?

635
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.200
I mean not really, I don't want to hang out

636
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:25.920
with people, but.

637
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.839
You know, well, there was the Halloween episode where she

638
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.279
convinces Ferguson that the house was built like when the

639
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.000
house was being built, a guy was like killed, a

640
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:41.039
bad guy was murdered and put into the foundation of

641
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.640
the base of an unfinished basement and it was theirs,

642
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
and he was like that's how he got the house

643
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.599
so cheaping. And the part that kills me about that

644
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.759
now is that Ferguson goes, what do you mean Dad's

645
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.680
always complaining about the mortgage. That's the part I love

646
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.640
because I'm like, it is a really big house, like

647
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.400
because it's a sitcom, so so he says, but Dad's

648
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.480
always complaining about the mortgage. That always maybe made me

649
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.480
laugh like a ton as an adult. Yeah. But her

650
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.960
response to that was you're like, well he does that

651
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.599
because he always says then you'll never know about it

652
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:21.199
and like them anyway. So let's see. There are the

653
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.639
practical site uh that can that can attract buyers who

654
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.239
are less concerned about ghost stories and more focused on

655
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.360
square footage, location or long term investment potential.

656
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.320
Yeah, I get I got it.

657
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.280
I wouldn't feel like long term investment potential is the thing.

658
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.400
If you're getting a place cheap because it's known to

659
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.000
be haunted or ghastly or something.

660
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.599
Well what if you go there and you're like, oh,

661
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.039
I don't believe in ghosts. So next time I list this,

662
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.519
we're not going to talk about ghost because they're not

663
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:50.559
going to be any ghosts.

664
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.480
Yeah, because I'm gonna kick all their asses.

665
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.360
And yeah, they gotta pay rent, and then it really

666
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.000
is good investment potential.

667
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:02.039
Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, pay in ghost bucks, no

668
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.960
real money money. Oh oh okay, they have to get jobs.

669
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.480
Oh wow, Okay, I like this. I like this task

670
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.400
Master cell that we're seeing on the show. Disclosure rules

671
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.239
also play a role. In some states, sellers are required

672
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.639
to disclose certain events or conditions tied to a property,

673
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:28.119
while in others paranormal activity falls into a gray area. Sorry.

674
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.239
Notes that understanding local disco disclosure laws is key for

675
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.360
both buyers and sellers, especially when a home has a

676
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:41.960
well known reputation. Yeah yeah, sorry, adds that there's a

677
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.159
niche group of buyers who actively seek out haunted or

678
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.239
historically significant homes. I believe that one hundred percent.

679
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.079
I think it's interesting that they're combining the two haunted

680
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.960
and then historically significant, because like, I don't I don't

681
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.920
want a home that is actually significantly noticeably haunted, but

682
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.960
I'd like a homele that's historically significant.

683
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.079
I feel like those kind of go hand in hand

684
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:10.280
because even like I feel like all historically significant places

685
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.280
come with at least mild ghost stories.

686
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.719
I mean, my mom's last house was built into sixteen hundreds,

687
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.559
and they were pretty convinced that they did not have

688
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.360
any ghosts at all there.

689
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.400
And yet that place was a nightmare.

690
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.800
It was Yeah, yeah.

691
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.920
So I think it was haunted. Okay, maybe not, but well,

692
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.599
you know, the whole ghost story or haunted house story

693
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.039
thing became huge in the seventies and eighties because people

694
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.239
were we were having one of the biggest home buying

695
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.920
runs in America in American history. So people were like

696
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.519
full of anxiety about houses. Yeah, what if the walls bleed?

697
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.639
What if the foundation is cracked? What if? What if

698
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.360
a voice yells get out? What if the plumbing's bad?

699
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:56.559
Yeah?

700
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.559
Oh, what if the wiring is just a mess and

701
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.719
you find out because you decided to treat yourself to

702
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:01.440
a ceiling fan?

703
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.800
Yeah mm hmmah, I don't want.

704
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.880
To talk about it. So, uh, my house is wiring

705
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.119
is that's the sound of me knocking on wood is

706
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:14.239
surprisingly good.

707
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.199
I mean, based on when your house was built, as

708
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.840
long as they weren't using aluminum. But you're wiring, you're

709
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.000
you're fine, Like I mean, I mean you could end

710
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.559
up with like some like cloth covered stuff and maybe

711
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.280
some conduit not conduit the things and they go in

712
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.679
the place, doesn't matter. They're but like you're past like

713
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.559
knob and job and all that weird stuff.

714
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.800
So yeah, well, and my my, my electrician lives in

715
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.559
the house in this neighborhood, so he's like really familiar

716
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.079
with how to work with these places, although he does

717
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.599
recommend if I want to expand the house at all anymore,

718
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.960
as far as electricity that I should get like a

719
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.639
new thing, like a higher amperage. Yeah, yeah, I guess,

720
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.360
And that's going to be a few grand and so

721
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.039
I'm not going to be doing that anytime, so, but

722
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:03.400
it would be good. He said that the one in

723
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.920
there is pretty pretty low power. Yeah, it was probably

724
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.599
put in like this and like, oh wait, no, we

725
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.480
put it in. Yeah, my mother put it in when

726
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.960
we were finally getting a breaker box instead of a

727
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:15.800
fuse box.

728
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.000
Yeah. Wow, maybe you're wiring, isn't Okay, I didn't. I

729
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.840
didn't realize they still had fuses when you were having

730
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.119
when your house was around.

731
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.440
Oh yeah they did. Yeah, I remember, because we had

732
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.440
a box of fuses in the junk drawer for you

733
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:32.960
during thunderstorms and stuff.

734
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:33.840
Wow.

735
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:36.840
Okay, fine, pick on my damn house. You're mean.

736
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.760
Well now I'm like, now, I'm like, well, that's actually

737
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.719
pre all of that like aluminum stuff, because that was

738
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.559
in like the really scary breaker boxes and things. So

739
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.519
now I'm like, maybe you do have knock tube.

740
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.039
Maybe you do have all the bad wires, don't have

741
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.360
knob and tube. Okay, I know that.

742
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.000
I believe you.

743
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.639
You're mean, okayell, just try that you're just like, I

744
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.599
don't I want to see you not sleep at night

745
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:10.880
anymore from that. For them, the eerie factor is in

746
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.719
a drawback. It's part of the appeal. In some cases,

747
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.920
that uniqueness can even become a selling point, helping a

748
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:23.199
listed listing attract attention in a crowded market. M So,

749
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.480
how was a little bummed when you didn't buy a

750
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:27.119
haunted house?

751
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:28.280
I almost did.

752
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.320
Which one did you look at that was haunted?

753
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.239
There was a house in Sharon Hill that I loved.

754
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.840
It was a little tutor house sitting there in the ground,

755
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.400
and I was terrified of it. I went inside and

756
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.440
I felt very uncomfortable, and my thought was, I don't

757
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.519
know if i'd want to be here alone. I don't

758
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.519
know what that was. My sister also, because I I

759
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.960
just was, I kind of wrote it off and I

760
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.199
showed my mom and my sister, and my sister was like,

761
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:08.159
that house is really scary, Like, no, do not buy it.

762
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.519
I didn't end up buying it because it had a

763
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.519
shared driveway.

764
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.119
Oh no way, no way, that's way worse than a ghost.

765
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.760
Well, I mean, it's really bad and it's the only

766
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.239
thing I can confirm that it had but I loved

767
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.599
that house, except that I was really scared in there.

768
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.000
I should have bought it. Well, except the driveway. I

769
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.159
couldn't get over the driveway.

770
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.440
No, and I talked to the neighbor and they were like, oh,

771
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.360
you know, we switch our cars back and forth, like

772
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:35.960
if you got to go out at this time. I

773
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.480
was like no, no.

774
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.360
No, no, no, we have a whiteboard. Yeah, no, that's okay.

775
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.840
I'll just I'll park on the street.

776
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:48.519
I well, we're gonna take quick what the heck, We're

777
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.760
gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with

778
00:40:50.800 --> 00:41:02.039
even more spooky news after this shell. What say we

779
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.199
head to Scotland.

780
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:06.880
Yeah, so if you want to.

781
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.760
What do you have against Scotland? No?

782
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.119
Nothing. Apparently there are one of the few countries that

783
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.320
that isn't that thing a country? Yep, that's exact country.

784
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.400
That's exactly what I was going to say. They're not

785
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.360
anti Semitic, according to what the hell I was something in?

786
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:35.000
Okay, fair enough, Well this is going uh, this is

787
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:35.880
going way back.

788
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:36.519
Uh.

789
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.480
This from LiveScience dot com. Thirty three hundred year old

790
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.360
cremations found in Scotland suggest that people died in a

791
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:52.159
mysterious catastrophic event. M And I don't think they were jewsed,

792
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.760
so you're probably still right. Yeah, five earns holding cremated

793
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.760
remains from thety three hundred years ago have been discovered

794
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:07.360
in Scotland. Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three Sorry it

795
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.159
says it the same thing like, it's probably for seo.

796
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:10.800
It says it like five times.

797
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:11.559
That's not good.

798
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.159
Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three hundred year old cremated

799
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.639
remains of at least eight people who were buried in

800
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.679
five urns in Scotland. Burying eight people in five earn,

801
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.280
I mean, I guess that math is a little weird

802
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:23.480
to me.

803
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.679
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta share gurns.

804
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.440
Yeah, it's just it's a normal thing there.

805
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:29.360
Yeah.

806
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.280
While it's unknown how they died, it was likely during

807
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.679
some sort of catastrophic event. The finding is unusual because

808
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.599
although many Bronze Age burial spots in Scotland were reused

809
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.320
over the years, the newfound cremations tell a different story,

810
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.639
the researchers wrote in a new study published recently in

811
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.440
the Journal of Archaeological Reports Online. In this case, the

812
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.880
urns were tightly arranged, giving the impression of being buried

813
00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:01.079
collectively and then remaining undisturbed except for modern play modern

814
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.119
plow damage. The team wrote, I just realized I almost

815
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.079
never read the word plow.

816
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:06.840
Yeah.

817
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.840
The individuals were found in the remains of a barrow,

818
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.440
a burial mound made of earth and rocks. The urns

819
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.760
were in the center of the barrow in a three

820
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.800
foot wide burial pit, and were surrounded by a ring

821
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.159
of rocks. The archaeologist noted in the study. Organic materials

822
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.320
in the burial, including charcoal, enabled the team to radio

823
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.760
carbon date it to about fourteen thirty nine to twelve

824
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:30.880
eighty seven BC.

825
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.239
I mean that seems like that's a long time ago.

826
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:39.840
Maybe seems like it. Yeah, that's a little bit ago, Yeah,

827
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.679
a little while three of the urns each contained the

828
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.840
remains of an adult and a juvenile, while the other

829
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:53.880
two each contain only one adult. Oh, you know, we

830
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.960
don't want to say like, oh, it's sad they're alone or.

831
00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:00.159
No, because I don't know what the reason they're that

832
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.639
was with the juvenile. Maybe they didn't those people didn't,

833
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.000
I don't know.

834
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.239
Maybe it's proudly child free.

835
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.400
Yeah. Yeah, well, it's weird that you'd be buried with

836
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.679
your child, because that means your child died.

837
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.400
I think that's why they think it was a catastrophe.

838
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.519
Yeah, so that's why I didn't say, Oh, it's sad

839
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:20.320
that they're alone.

840
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.679
Okay, no, No, that's that's fair. No, you that's totally fair. Yeah,

841
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.360
you're like, why couldn't they bury you with the kid anyway?

842
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.639
I mean yeah, I mean got a respect. Yeah, like

843
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.119
in old India when they put the wives in the pyres.

844
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.519
The burial was found at twenty Shilling Hill, which is

845
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.880
near twenty Shilling Hill wind Farm in southwest Scotland. What

846
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.760
a coincidence. That's weird. During the excavations conducted in twenty

847
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.960
twenty and twenty twenty one while an access road to

848
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.079
the wind farm was being built. The excavations were conducted

849
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.039
by a team from Guard Archaeology, a company that undertakes

850
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:04.639
archaeological excit ovations during or before construction. Quote. The discovery

851
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.280
of five urns tightly packed together at the same time

852
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.519
in one mask burial event is very rare and distinguishes

853
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.760
the twenty Shilling barrow from the other barrows in Scotland,

854
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.079
the researcher wrote in the report. The team suspect these

855
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.920
eight individuals likely died around the same time during a

856
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.920
terrible event. It's unclear what that event was, but it

857
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.639
could have been famine, disease, or war. Roman Toolis, CEO

858
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:33.760
of Guard Technology, told Live Science or Live Science via email.

859
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.119
They suspect the individuals died around the same time because

860
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.480
the urns appear to have been made by the same

861
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.320
crafts person. Toulas said. Also, during that time, it was

862
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.480
common for deceased people in this region to be left

863
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.880
out long enough for their flesh to decompose before they

864
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.719
were cremated. In this instance, however, the team found that

865
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.960
the individuals still had some of their flesh when the

866
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.079
cremation was done.

867
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.480
Interesting. I guess it.

868
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.159
Indicates that they they were to be cremated in a hurry.

869
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.760
So what's your theory? You got a theory?

870
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.840
I think that the hurry thing. Maybe maybe it was

871
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.800
there was like a plate or something. I don't know

872
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:14.400
what you said.

873
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.239
Is it the holidays? Like they were like, I'll just

874
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.159
get this done real quick.

875
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.000
Yeah, yeah, I can't leave these out when people are

876
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:20.599
coming over.

877
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.840
Celebrating. Uh uh, you know the pre birth of Christ

878
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.719
or something. Oh yeah, before that Uh, these people would

879
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.679
have been farmers, Tulis said. He noted that they that

880
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.719
they likely lived near the burial spot, although their settlement

881
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.840
has not been found. This is quote an area of

882
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.760
Scotland where few such archaeological remains have so far been discovered,

883
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.119
so future research may reveal much more about the context

884
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:58.480
of this barrow. Toulis said, So weird new uh new,

885
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.960
Uh the new a burial site just dropped dog?

886
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:08.719
Yeah yeah, why not, right, I mean, I guess.

887
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.599
I mean, I will say, you know, being an American,

888
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.480
it is weird to hear like they found a like

889
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.440
three thousand, three hundred year old burial site when it's

890
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.559
like around here. Three hundred years is like whoa, yeah

891
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.280
that was forever ago. And then they say that it's like, oh,

892
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.559
I guess there was no written text from them, because

893
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:41.639
you know, people were still deeply illiterate, deeply huh truly illiterate. Well,

894
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.639
I mean there was no printing press.

895
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.599
Yeah, you don't need a printing press to read. There

896
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.480
were people who were reading before the printing press, yeah,

897
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.280
just doing handwritten books.

898
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.599
But it's harder because if there are less books, then

899
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.119
there's less impetus to learn to read because there's less

900
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:57.800
to read.

901
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.519
I mean, or I mean possibly nothing to read if

902
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.000
all the books are in you know, places that do

903
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.039
not have access.

904
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.559
To Yeah, I mean only the wealthy and powerful would

905
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.519
would generally be able to read. So that's one of

906
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.800
those things we take for granted in the modern era.

907
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.119
Yeah whatever, when we get back, we're going to talk

908
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:26.079
about a lighter, funeral, one with a little bit more

909
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:40.679
fun to it. Oh, right after this, so Shell, This

910
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.920
one is from upworthy dot com, which I hadn't heard

911
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.199
from upworthy in a while.

912
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:45.880
Me too.

913
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.559
I remember when they were awesome because all he posted

914
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.679
was like positive stuff, and then they started posting really

915
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.760
negative stuff. I stop reading them.

916
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.920
I didn't know that they did anything except for post

917
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:58.719
positive stuff.

918
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.800
They started posting like really negative stuff because I'd see

919
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.880
it go viral on social media and I'd be like,

920
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.400
I really loved when it was positive all the time.

921
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.599
Yeah.

922
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.920
So but this one, this headline caught my attention immediately.

923
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.480
It's from December twenty second, so it's very recent. Headline

924
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.679
is son writes wildly funny obituary for his dad and

925
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.679
the Internet is loving it. And then under it the

926
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.719
quote is he is God's problem now. So I thought

927
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.599
this was really charming and I wanted to share it.

928
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.639
The photo at the top is a guy probably our

929
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.159
age with his older dad, and his dad has a

930
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.880
cigarette in his hand and he's like, like making a

931
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.320
really awkward face. It's really funny. Obituaries mostly serve as

932
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.239
an acknowledgment of loss and celebration of the deceased person's life. However,

933
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.719
when Robert Adolph Boham whoe, Yeah, that's a choice of

934
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.280
middle names, Boham passed away, Oh oh, that's the dab. Yeah,

935
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.599
when he's that old, it's like Adol anyway, we're gonna

936
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.760
move on his son, Or when Charles Adolf Boham passed

937
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.480
away his son, Charles Boham chose to set aside the

938
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.440
usual somber tone of obituaries and write something more lighthearted

939
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:21.760
and memorable. Robert had recently passed away at the age

940
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.559
of seventy four after falling and hitting his head in

941
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.280
his Clarendon, Texas apartment. Since the forty one year old

942
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.719
Charles had never penned an obituary before he decided to

943
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.320
google some ideas and stumbled upon an old obituary for

944
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.800
Joe Heller on legacy Joe Heller a quote. Joe Heller

945
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.920
made his last undignified and largely irreverent gesture on September eighth,

946
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.519
twenty nineteen, signing off on a life, in his words,

947
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.480
generally well lived and with few regrets. The obituary for

948
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.320
Heller read per Washington Post, the quote when the doctors

949
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.639
confronted his daughter with the news last week that your

950
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.719
father is very a very sick man in Unison, they replied,

951
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:09.400
you have no idea. This inspired Charles to craft a

952
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.599
similarly unique obituary for his own father, as he too

953
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.880
was an eccentric character. HM, has anybody ever written you

954
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:19.559
an obituary?

955
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.760
I don't know. They haven't shared it with me. If

956
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.719
they have, maybe lots of people.

957
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.800
I suppose you'd have to die first, right.

958
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.320
I mean no, I mean someone who hates me might

959
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.079
write an obituary for me just to have it ready.

960
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.920
Oh yeah, but but why would they Why would they

961
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.639
want to like give an obituary if they didn't like you?

962
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:48.599
Maybe it's really mean mean, Okay, do you when it

963
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.639
comes to like major grief, how how much does does

964
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.480
humor play into your recovery?

965
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.920
It's honestly, I don't really know, probably not at all.

966
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.480
Yeah, yeah, I mean you like dark humor.

967
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.400
I do, but I don't know. I mean, there's I

968
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.480
haven't had an experience where I've recovered from grief, so

969
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.320
I'm not well.

970
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.760
Recovered is a strong word. Yeah, grief is a very

971
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:26.119
hard and very multifaceted thing. I think recovered is a

972
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.559
simplification of what you actually do. You know, you just

973
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.199
kind of grow around it and continue eventually to some

974
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:42.599
extent way to bring down the tone. Geez. Yeah, but no,

975
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.719
it's okay to not know. I just was curious. I know.

976
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.800
I go lean heavily into humor. I can't help it, Like,

977
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.119
I can't even help it at all. Like the moment

978
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.159
things are really dark is when my brain is like

979
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.599
make a joke, now, do it now? And I have

980
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.960
to be like, I don't even know if that's a

981
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.960
good idea. But when it's my own grief, I am reckless.

982
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.559
I make all the jokes that are offensive because I

983
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.800
don't care, because I'm the one struggling. So you don't

984
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.199
like it, I'll tell you quote that sounds like something

985
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.800
my dad would do. Charles told the Outlet he made

986
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.119
a lot of obscene gestures. As a result, the obituary

987
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.719
written by him looked something like this quote. Robert Adolph Boham,

988
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.719
in accordance with his lifelong dedication to his own personal

989
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.840
brand of decorum, muttered his last unintelligible and likely unnecessary

990
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.480
curse on October sixth, twenty twenty four, shortly before tripping

991
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.719
backward over some over quote, some stupid thing and hitting

992
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.840
his head on the floor. Robert was born in Winters, Texas,

993
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.079
to the late Walter Boham and Betty Smith on May sixth,

994
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.320
nineteen fifty, after which God immediately and thankfully broke the

995
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.639
mold and attempted to cover up the evidence. It's a

996
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.000
cute p sure of him with two dogs with his dogs.

997
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.960
The Sun included some funny anecdotes from his dad's life,

998
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.039
like the time Robert accidentally blew two holes in his

999
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:14.159
car's dashboard after a shooting practice session.

1000
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:15.079
Oh no.

1001
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.760
Robert was also a fashionable character, often spoiled, sporting trendy moccasins,

1002
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:26.079
unconventional hats, and bold mismatched colors in his shirts and pants.

1003
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:31.400
I feel attacked right now. I literally was wearing moccasins

1004
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.239
yesterday yeah, Oh, well, I was wearing a Santa hat,

1005
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:40.679
so I guess that's fashionable hat. Unconventional fashionable hat. Quote.

1006
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.320
We have all done our best to enjoy slash weather

1007
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.760
Robert's antics up to this point, but he is God's

1008
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.000
problem now. Charles wrote at the end of the obituary,

1009
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.920
inviting funeral attendees to wear whatever outdated or inappropriate attire

1010
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.880
they preferred. He sent the obituary to Robertson Funeral Directors,

1011
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.679
the Clarendon mortuary that was handling his dad's cremation. Chuck Robertson,

1012
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.000
the mortuary owner, started chuckling when he read the obituary.

1013
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.880
In his defense, he always chuckles when he reads obituaries

1014
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.559
because he's thinking about a boat. Yeah. No, I have

1015
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.679
no reason to hate on that guy.

1016
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.079
He's a nice guy. He just thinks that all obituaries

1017
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:20.440
are delightful and funny.

1018
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:29.320
They should be. Yeah, to an extent maybe maybe, No, No, no, okay, fine,

1019
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:34.760
geez he really shut that down quick. Huh no, no, no,

1020
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.639
now you're just straight gas lamping me.

1021
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:40.000
No, no, no, that's you.

1022
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.000
I'm just sounding crazy right now. Yeah, I love this

1023
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.920
because I feel like stuff like this can really show

1024
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.920
how much you love somebody to like play it up

1025
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:56.440
in a different way than one might expect. Yeah, this

1026
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.800
is the kind of thing that makes me. It makes

1027
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.880
me happy to be a human. I feel like that's

1028
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.280
a special thing we have humor, you know, to be

1029
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.800
able to share a release of all that stress and

1030
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:14.039
strain and pain. Yeah, And there's something special about when

1031
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.719
you make somebody laugh, like that moment that you just

1032
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.079
like because you can't really most humor is hard to

1033
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.320
put your thumb on why it's funny. It just is.

1034
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.079
And a lot of times you can make people laugh

1035
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.000
really hard if you know them, because knowing them really

1036
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.679
allows you to get a I don't know. Yeah, just

1037
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.880
there's something just beautifully human about about that kind of thing.

1038
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:37.519
Yeah.

1039
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.119
That's just my personal opinion. And we're going to continue

1040
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.920
reading about this because this is a piece not only

1041
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.800
about that specific obituary, but also how humor helps people

1042
00:56:46.920 --> 00:57:01.960
handle grief. Right after this, continuing the article, humor often

1043
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.280
helps people navigate the emotional weight of loss and connect

1044
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.599
with memories in ways that feel comforting rather than overwhelming.

1045
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.840
A twenty twenty four qualitative study published in Omega Journal

1046
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.400
of Death and Dying, which is where I go to

1047
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.480
read funny information.

1048
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:17.440
Yeah.

1049
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.159
Found that humor can play a dual emotional role in bereavement.

1050
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.400
For many people, it can evoke intense memories and waves

1051
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.679
of grief, but for most it also serves as a

1052
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.000
way to manage or live with their grief by bringing

1053
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.840
moments of relief and connection. That's basically what I said.

1054
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.719
It is basically what you said.

1055
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.760
Yeah, just put better.

1056
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:41.760
I like the way you put it.

1057
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:47.039
Oh you. Participants in the study described how laughing about

1058
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.440
funny memories or sharing humor with others help them feel

1059
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.639
more grounded and less overwhelmed during the grieving process. These

1060
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.519
findings show that while humor can sometimes trigger sadness, it

1061
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.480
also helps some mourners hope and find emotional balance as

1062
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:08.239
they heal. Yeah, Shell's like, No, it doesn't do that.

1063
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.159
I mean, if that's what you want, I guess.

1064
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.079
If that's what you want, if you want more emotional

1065
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.440
balance and relief than.

1066
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.599
Fine, I mean it didn't sound like what I was

1067
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.159
gonna I was trying for.

1068
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.440
But sure sounds pretty lame to me.

1069
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.360
Yeah.

1070
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.519
Robertson shared Boham's note on the Mortuaries Facebook page, where

1071
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.920
it reached a wider audience. Charles further told the news

1072
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.280
outlet that his father was a jolly fellow, but he

1073
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.079
had struggled after the death of his wife, Diane in

1074
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.840
February of twenty twenty four. Quote. When I tried to

1075
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.559
get him some mental health help, he admitted to me

1076
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.960
he was scared and wanted me there with him, He revealed.

1077
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.199
Are you are you mad that he saw it mental

1078
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.719
health help? You're like, just tough it out. You're yeah,

1079
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.280
damn it.

1080
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.159
Yeah, you don't need help, and you certainly don't need

1081
00:58:58.159 --> 00:58:59.920
your son with you to have help.

1082
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:04.639
Nothing. You know, there's nothing quite as good as a

1083
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.199
Michelle scold. Let me tell you something, man, you would

1084
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.519
be my favorite professional wrestler, because that's how what when

1085
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.119
professional wrestlers cut, they call him promos when they start

1086
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.039
talking to the camerao. Let me tell you something. When

1087
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:18.639
it comes down to the blah blah blah blahlah, you

1088
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.800
would be amazing at that because when you dressed down,

1089
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.320
it is very amusing to me.

1090
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.440
Thanks.

1091
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.480
I mean that a positive way. Thanks, okay, fine, whatever

1092
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.800
You're mean to me, and nobody believes it. Quote. We

1093
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.280
all visited him when we could, and the good people

1094
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.800
at Clarendon looked in on him and helped him out

1095
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.119
a lot, but it was hard for him looking at

1096
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.280
my mom's empty chair and I'm six hundred miles away.

1097
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:45.440
Oh that's rough.

1098
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:46.039
Fuck?

1099
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.320
Are you okay? That hurt? That hit me too, Like

1100
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:51.840
realized he was far.

1101
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.199
Away, him being scared and wanting his son to be

1102
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.519
there like that, all of that is just like oh god, okay.

1103
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.199
Yeah, no, it just hit me harder when I I

1104
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.800
didn't realize there was distance too, right, right, because you know,

1105
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.440
if you had been if you had been forty five

1106
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.400
minutes away, it's like that's still a lot. But when

1107
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.360
it's like you're six I mean, I know you're six

1108
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.159
hundred miles from me, give and take, Like I know

1109
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.679
how far that is. Yeah, can't just you know, decide

1110
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.360
on Tuesday morning and I'll just swing by for dinner. Yeah,

1111
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.159
although I will do that to you sometime, just for

1112
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.000
the walls. So make sure you make that that weird

1113
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.679
uh fermented soybean sticky stuff. Okay, I liked it, I

1114
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:31.599
actually really did. I've thought about it since then.

1115
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.760
Oh good, I have thought about it in London. Am

1116
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.239
I should I ever eat that again? Because it preceded

1117
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.840
all the really terrible things.

1118
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.119
I think it's better to just think it was me.

1119
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.719
Okay, I think it's the not though, but that's okay.

1120
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:46.559
Do you think it was not though and not the

1121
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:47.119
hot pot?

1122
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.920
No, I actually don't know. It wasn't hot It wasn't

1123
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.559
the hot pot because that was the day before. But oh,

1124
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.079
I mean, honestly, who knows. I don't.

1125
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.320
I mean I think that over you know, uh, just

1126
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.400
eating more than you're used to because you eat a

1127
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.159
very you don't eat a lot could have just triggered it.

1128
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.079
My doctor thinks that I got that that it was

1129
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.880
food poisoning and then it just messed up my system.

1130
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.199
Yeah, which would be wild because it hot pot. It's

1131
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.320
not like you were scarfing down beef for anything.

1132
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.519
You Yeah.

1133
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.599
Yeah, I'm impressed you would get food poisoning at all

1134
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.920
because you eat your vegetarian and stuff.

1135
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.920
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't get food poisoning.

1136
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.480
I know, I just I always imagine people get food

1137
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.320
poisoning from meat, mostly poultry, but meat.

1138
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.559
Did did you hear about all the lasteria outbreaks that

1139
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.119
are like lettuce or spinach or something.

1140
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.679
That is true? That's a that's a very fair point. Yeah,

1141
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.280
thank god, I don't eat lettuce m all right. Back

1142
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.719
to the sad suite. Robert worked various jobs to support

1143
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.920
his family before eventually settling into a career as a

1144
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.039
truck driver. Okay, I could see that fitting his personality

1145
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:04.039
from what we given. Truck drivers are often very very

1146
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:09.199
different people like, they're very you know, individual people. Have

1147
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:10.599
you ever been friends with a truck driver?

1148
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:12.960
No, I've met one too late.

1149
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.280
You already are because you have there. You're talking to

1150
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:18.599
them right now. Oh Hi, we have truck driver listeners.

1151
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:19.360
They write in.

1152
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.880
That's cool because I like truck drivers and I look

1153
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.119
at them when I drive past them to see who

1154
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:25.760
they are, and then.

1155
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.719
They also look at best so they don't hit me.

1156
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.840
Do you ever do the thing where you ask them

1157
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:31.519
to honk the horn?

1158
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:31.920
No?

1159
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.119
I feel like that that's unnecessary and I don't want

1160
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:35.039
to bother them.

1161
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.599
If I was a truck driver, which I almost was.

1162
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:39.880
If I was a truck driver, I would be like,

1163
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:41.920
I'd be so sad when people don't ask me, no,

1164
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:42.639
honk horn.

1165
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.599
I guess I could ask them, but I just feel

1166
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:46.639
like I don't want to.

1167
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:49.960
I don't want to you know, all you're doing is

1168
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.159
saying like trucks are awesome. Do the thing. M I

1169
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:57.559
guess so, but uh. Quote for a while, my parents

1170
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:01.280
were Oh my god, my heart. My parents were team drivers,

1171
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.480
and for at least a year or two I actually

1172
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.480
lived on the truck with them. Oh wow, the son mentioned,

1173
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.880
do you know what team drivers are like?

1174
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.159
They would drive together.

1175
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.840
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of truck trucking companies will let

1176
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.000
you bring somebody if you want.

1177
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:16.239
That's nice.

1178
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.360
Yeah. So a lot of couples will do it like

1179
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.880
later in life and stuff, but they only pay one

1180
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:27.360
of you. Quote. I got to see a lot of stuff.

1181
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.639
I read hundreds of books and learned how to sleep

1182
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:33.599
in a car anywhere in the lower forty eight. Charles

1183
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.280
family and friends posted pictures of Robert on the Dignity

1184
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.719
Memorial site too. Quote. I'd have to say, if I

1185
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:42.360
want anything to come from all this, it's for people

1186
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.159
elsewhere to support the mental health of people in their

1187
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.559
little rural towns. He said. They go there entire, they

1188
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.159
go there to retire, then when they're old, their kids

1189
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.920
scatter and they end up alone. A lot of people

1190
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.639
slip through the cracks. There are people all over the

1191
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.559
country like my dad, and we need to look up,

1192
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.960
look out, look after them. Sorry, got a little emotional.

1193
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.519
It's okay. Also, that's why you should never move away

1194
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.639
from your family ever ever.

1195
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.039
And why you should have children so that you know,

1196
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.800
so that you'll have them to take care of you.

1197
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:17.840
Oh no, I don't care about the part. I just

1198
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.079
care about the part where I make sure that people

1199
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.039
are okay. I don't care if anyone make sure I'm okay.

1200
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.719
Okay, as long as you kept you make that very clear.

1201
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.880
I have made that very clear.

1202
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:36.199
Okay, okay. Gosh, jeez, you're you're in a mood. Don't

1203
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:36.880
deny it now.

1204
01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:38.440
No, it's too late.

1205
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:44.880
Oh well, we're gonna shift the tone. I actually really

1206
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.159
enjoyed that story though. It was very very heartfelt. But

1207
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.880
when we get back, we're gonna go overseas for some

1208
01:04:51.960 --> 01:05:04.159
more strange discoveries and a whole lot more right after this, well, Shell,

1209
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.480
you enjoyed our trip to Scotland vaguely. But how about

1210
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.199
Popou New Guinea, New Guinea. What I was so focused

1211
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.800
on saying PopOut right that I said Guinea wrong. That's okay,

1212
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:23.280
PopOut New Guinea. Yeah, fine, this is from news dot

1213
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:28.320
com dot au. Missing R AAF Ufort bomber from World

1214
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:31.920
War Two found in Popaut, New Guinea after eighty two years.

1215
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:34.920
Yay, we found another plane.

1216
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.039
We did it. After more than eight decades, the mystery

1217
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.079
of a missing World War two aircraft and its Australian

1218
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.000
crew has finally been resolved or been solved, with wreckage

1219
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:50.280
discovered in Papau, New Guinea confirmed as the downed aircraft. Yay,

1220
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.599
the wreckage of the World War two Bufort bomber. That

1221
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.079
sounds like a sandwich that you get it like a

1222
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.440
fast foodressaurant. But I'd take two Bufort bombers please.

1223
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.000
Yeah.

1224
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:07.119
I it's because the big Buford at rallies. Ah, my

1225
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:12.039
my stomach is like feed me or from R AAF

1226
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.440
squad A number one hundred Squadron was found in the

1227
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.639
rugged Banning Mountains on New Britain Island, confirming where the

1228
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.920
aircraft and its four Royal Australian Air Force crew came

1229
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:25.239
to rest after vanishing during a combat mission in December

1230
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:26.360
of nineteen forty three.

1231
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:27.440
Okay.

1232
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.880
The aircraft, the Beaufort A nine two one one, failed

1233
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.719
to return from a nighttime operation targeting enemy positions at

1234
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:42.039
Reball Rabul Rabewel, I'm awful On December fourteenth, nineteen forty

1235
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.480
three WOW. Other crews flying that night reported severe weather

1236
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.599
and when A nine to two one one did not

1237
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.960
make it back to base, it was declared Missing on

1238
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.800
board were pilot Flight Sergeant John Ardley Kenny, navigator, Flight

1239
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.440
Sergeant Arthur John Davies, and wireless operation gunner's flight Sergeants

1240
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:07.559
Thomas Burrows and Murray Fairbane Fairbarn. For eighty two years,

1241
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:09.960
their families had no closure about the fate of their

1242
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:14.159
loved ones. Our AAF Director General of History and Heritage

1243
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:18.519
Robert Lawson said the discovery marked a solemn milestone. Quote,

1244
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.679
we pay our respects to the crew of the Beaufort

1245
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.119
eight eight. I keep laughing at Beaufort that's so terrible,

1246
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.920
A nine to two one one who made the ultimate

1247
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:33.400
sacrifice in defense of Australia Air Commodore laws, and said

1248
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.639
the identification of this aircraft is significant and offers an

1249
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:41.840
opportunity to provide closure to families. Post war searches conducted

1250
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.159
by the RAAF and Popau New Guinea failed to locate

1251
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.320
the aircraft and the four airmen were eventually presumed killed

1252
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:51.199
in action. So they had searched Papau, New Guinea to

1253
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.760
begin with, yeah, which which makes me wonder how much

1254
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:56.679
did they really look that hard or was it near

1255
01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:58.400
the holidays again and they were like, I got.

1256
01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.920
So much to do, Yeah, we gotta go come on

1257
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:00.920
very searching.

1258
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:04.639
That's gonna be the new go to. It's like, ah,

1259
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.039
but it was around the holidays, you know, just so

1260
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.239
much to do. I caught myself doing that, like I'd

1261
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.199
be like, I need to go pick up like my

1262
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.239
prescription at the drive through, like ah, but it's like

1263
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.680
almost Christmas, and I'd be like, dude, just it's the

1264
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:20.479
twenty third, just go get your prescription. Yeah, it's still Monday.

1265
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.439
The breakthrough came decades later. In twenty twenty one, photographs

1266
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.960
of wreckage believed to belong to World War Two aircraft

1267
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.680
were provided to the Historical Unrecovered War Casualties Air Force Division.

1268
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:39.920
Detailed analysis, including images showing a bufort control yoke, confirmed

1269
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:43.479
the remains were from an r AAF Bufort aircraft. Further

1270
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.319
research narrowed the wreckage down to one of three buforts

1271
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:48.840
lost in the New Britain region during the same period.

1272
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.640
In October. How they lost a lot of them. I guess,

1273
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:57.720
I mean it was war. Yeah, yeah, I suppose yeah.

1274
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:00.640
In October of this year, an Air Force investigation team

1275
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.600
traveled to the remote site, joined by specialist personnel and

1276
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.720
a field officer from the National Museum and Art Gallery

1277
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:10.720
of PNG. The operation relied heavily on assistance from a

1278
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.800
local expedition company in nearby villages to access the difficult terrain.

1279
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.600
The aircraft was ultimately identified after investigators located manufacturer's plates

1280
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.239
at the crash site. Investigation team leader and HUWCAF director

1281
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:26.880
Grant Kelly said the wreckage was scattered across more than

1282
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.479
two hundred square meters, lying in dense vegetation on a

1283
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.000
steep mountain side near the summit. That would explain why

1284
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.600
it would be really hard to find.

1285
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:38.079
Quote.

1286
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:42.000
Discovering the manufacturer's plates enabled us to confirm which aircraft

1287
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.600
it was and more importantly, identify the crew members who

1288
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.079
had been on board. Captain Kelly said the investigators also

1289
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:54.039
found aircraft controls and instrumentation, armament components including machine gun ammunition,

1290
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.640
and parts of parachute harnesses. A systematic search was carried

1291
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.479
out for human remains in person effects, with a small

1292
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:06.159
amount of fragmented material requiring further analysis to determine its origin.

1293
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.920
No additional activity is planned at the site. The families

1294
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.000
of the four crew members have now been formally notified

1295
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:17.079
and early discussions are underway regarding commemorative activities to honor

1296
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:22.720
their service and sacrifice. Yay, I just find it fascinating,

1297
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.760
how like in a world where we have, you know,

1298
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.279
I don't even know how many hundreds of satellites in

1299
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:32.359
the sky and drone technology that can literally be like

1300
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:33.880
I don't want to run into a wall. I'm going

1301
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.880
to stop myself. But we're still finding things that are lost.

1302
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.319
I find that really like grabs my imagination.

1303
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.640
Yeah, I mean, and it's happening all the time. There

1304
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.279
are some like organizations that just go and look for

1305
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.359
like you know, planes and stuff that were down in

1306
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.479
the world wars and any war. Yeah, then find them

1307
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:56.119
all the time.

1308
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:57.680
Basically it's wild.

1309
01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.840
Yeah, a lot of them are under the water.

1310
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.800
It's still sure. Well the ocean is a whole other

1311
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:03.640
bag of worms.

1312
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:05.920
Yeah, but that's fun because then you can use your

1313
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:11.039
that thing that goes Yeah, there's like a little guy

1314
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.359
and he goes in the water and he like shoots down.

1315
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.840
Like sonar something like that.

1316
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:24.159
Yeah, yeah, like ground penetrating radar, except underwater, so sonar

1317
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.840
maybe present. And then they like get the little guy

1318
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:29.960
and they bring him back in the boat and then

1319
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.319
they go over all the data and they go and

1320
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:34.119
they search and they find them.

1321
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.319
I think it's really fascinating.

1322
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:38.119
Yeah.

1323
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.000
I listened to a podcast about treasure hunting once and

1324
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:43.840
I was fascinated by how much effort goes in, how

1325
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:48.039
expensive it is, and how secretive it has to be

1326
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.439
because a lot of the nations that lost chips way

1327
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.680
back when full of gold and stuff, they're not doing

1328
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.840
so good now, like Spain and Italy and stuff like

1329
01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:00.680
that financially. So if word leaks before you you've discovered it,

1330
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.960
they'll try to take it from you by claiming a

1331
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.920
bunch of bear time law. Okay, yeah, and then you

1332
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.159
don't get anything after you just spent like forty five

1333
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.479
million dollars trying to get this shipwreck up, So you

1334
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:16.159
have to be like really secretive. That makes sense, as

1335
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:21.640
my grandpa would say, lousy Spain anyway, on that. On that.

1336
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.079
Now we're going to take a quick break, but when

1337
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:28.119
we get back tell we're heading to your backyard. Really,

1338
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:34.800
you're here, I mean, I'm here right now. But it

1339
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.319
turns out there have been some interesting sightings not far

1340
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:42.319
from you on the Pennsylvania Turnpike or not Pennsylvan Turnpike sorry,

1341
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.239
a Pennsylvania interstate. Okay, so it's a little ways from you,

1342
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.520
but still but we'll talk about that when we get back.

1343
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:09.479
We're back and heading to Pennsylvania for a story from WJACTV.

1344
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:18.199
The headline is potential Sasquatch Sighting Organization says bigfoot reported

1345
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.840
alongside PA interstate and they're talking about Interstate eighty, which,

1346
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.600
by the way, I have driven the entirety of Interstate

1347
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.239
eighty easily twenty times or more.

1348
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.840
And you haven't seen bigfoot.

1349
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:38.520
Not recently, okay, but no, really, Like, because I lived

1350
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.600
in North Jersey, that was the way to go home,

1351
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:43.920
that was fastest, So I really probably have driven at

1352
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:47.720
thirty maybe even thirty times. Wow, Because like when I

1353
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.359
go to Jersey and then like when I go out

1354
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:50.880
to Jersey to see friends and then I come down

1355
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.600
to see you, I'll take eighty to get up there.

1356
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.279
Because it's also not a toll road, right, which is nice.

1357
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.199
But then when I come and see you, I take

1358
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:01.079
the turnpike home because you know it's way. It's like

1359
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.159
I did the math, and it saves you like forty

1360
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.319
five minutes, so it's kind of worth the obscene amount

1361
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:06.760
of tolls.

1362
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.000
I guess, yeah, I guess.

1363
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:16.880
Anyway, Center County, Pennsylvania. It has eluded people for years,

1364
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:20.000
but now one organization says bigfoot. Maybe it may have

1365
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:23.720
been seen in central Pennsylvania. I mean, one of the

1366
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.560
few things I've ever seen in central Pennsylvania. Yeah, other

1367
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.079
than a sheets.

1368
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.560
Yeah.

1369
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.760
I love Pa. There's a lot of trees. I love Pa.

1370
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.479
But there is not a lot between Pittsburgh and Philly.

1371
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:37.880
No, not really.

1372
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.520
I mean that's there's some beautiful country and stuff, but

1373
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.920
I mean there's just not a ton other than State College, Yeah,

1374
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.760
which was put in the middle like to appease everybody basically,

1375
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:53.760
which was nice. That's nice, I guess. Bigfoot Field Researchers

1376
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:57.880
organization the BFRO, issued a report online claiming someone saw

1377
01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:01.720
a sasquatch along the side of Interstate eight in Center County,

1378
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:05.600
about twenty miles from State College in October. There we Go,

1379
01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.800
The organization said a man reported seeing the creature while driving.

1380
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.319
He told BFRO investigators that it almost got hit by

1381
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.520
a vehicle in front of him. At first, he said

1382
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.640
he thought it was a person because it was standing

1383
01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:23.520
on two legs, but that when he got closer he

1384
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.560
saw a dark figure upright and human like in appearance.

1385
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.800
The witness said the creature moved faster and was able

1386
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:36.159
to cross a guardrail with no issues, he said witnesses.

1387
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.199
He said, a witness who almost hit the creature described

1388
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:43.439
it like this quote. It was tall and uniformly dark,

1389
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:45.960
but he could not say if it was black or

1390
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.479
a dark brown. Given the distance from and speed of

1391
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:51.680
the figure, he didn't see any indication of clothing on

1392
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.520
the figure. He also said that the figure was thin

1393
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.279
and slender, that it did not match the stereotypical profile

1394
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:03.800
of a large and muscular bigfoot. So always body shaming bigfoot.

1395
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.079
Yeah, I think it was a guy.

1396
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:10.920
You just think it was a really big guy. Just

1397
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:16.960
some guy, just like a normal dude. Yeah huh. Now

1398
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:18.880
when it comes to bigfoot, do you have a lot

1399
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:21.760
of personal theories? No?

1400
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:26.119
I don't. I don't think it's polite.

1401
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.399
What I don't think it's polite?

1402
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:36.640
No, I don't really believe in Bigfoot ouch, except if

1403
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.800
he's an inter dimensional being, then maybe I believe in him.

1404
01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.439
There's a lot of the Bigfoot stuff that's hard to

1405
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.159
to I mean, like it would be hard, like how

1406
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:48.680
would you never find a body?

1407
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.399
You know, things like that My big problem, like problem. Yeah,

1408
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.000
It's like, even if big Feets had their own burial

1409
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.960
rituals and stuff like that and they always like very

1410
01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.039
there's still going to be big feats that just die

1411
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.199
in the wild, you know, far away from home, and

1412
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:07.640
nobody knows what happened to them.

1413
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.479
Over the course of one hundred years. Yeah.

1414
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.319
Yeah, you know you think that someone would find a

1415
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:13.319
body at some point.

1416
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:17.640
Yeah, yeah, I will say that's been the hard thing

1417
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.680
with like a lot of these things like lockness monsters

1418
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:25.560
and like champlaining monsters and stuff, is unless it's literally

1419
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:30.600
a being that just never dies and just does its thing, Yeah,

1420
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:33.000
it's very hard for it to be something that actually

1421
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:35.359
exists in the natural world exactly.

1422
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:39.279
I mean, if it if it does exist in multiple

1423
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:46.199
dimensions and maybe it just comes here for vacation. Maybe maybe,

1424
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:48.159
but I'm not still I'm not really sure.

1425
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:51.119
What if it's a tunnel system. I've heard I've heard

1426
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.279
that theory. I'm pretty sure that the Bigfoots live in

1427
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:54.720
tunnel systems.

1428
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:59.840
I mean, if if they live in this reality, we

1429
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.000
still find a body eventually.

1430
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.279
Well, and I'll say this, when I first heard the

1431
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.520
tunnel system concept, I was like, ah, then it makes

1432
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:08.600
perfect sense that they'd all be seven to eight to

1433
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:11.680
nine feet tall and muscular if they've been living in

1434
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:13.399
tunnels for like one hundreds of years now.

1435
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:17.039
Yeah, but they're big tunnels.

1436
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:17.680
Yeah, big foot tunnels.

1437
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.640
And also they have to build the tunnels, so that's

1438
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.800
why they're muscular, because they're always like, you know, doing

1439
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:24.800
tunnel things.

1440
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:26.640
Well, for the record, there are people who believe that

1441
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.760
they are just an immense amount of tunnels that just exist.

1442
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.079
Well, there are an immense amount of tunnels that just exists.

1443
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:34.960
Oh so now Michelle is on their side. That was

1444
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:35.720
very quick.

1445
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.560
I mean, I mean there are that the world is weird.

1446
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.199
You heard it here first. Chell says one hundred percent

1447
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:50.319
proof of Bigfoot. No, I'm just saying. The witness also

1448
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.199
said the legs and arms were longer, with the arms

1449
01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:57.159
extended downwards below the waistline as it crossed. He said

1450
01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:59.319
the frame of the limbs were not proportional to a

1451
01:18:59.399 --> 01:18:59.960
human person.

1452
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:02.479
It's a poor, messed up person.

1453
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.840
The BFRO also wrote in its report that the witness

1454
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:10.079
did not remember seeing a neck on the creature and

1455
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.560
only saw a side profile of its face. The witness

1456
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.720
said he wasn't sure if the creature either didn't have

1457
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.000
a neck or if it was just due to having

1458
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:18.880
long hair.

1459
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:22.399
I think this is a person.

1460
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.920
Hey, my hair doesn't always cover my neck.

1461
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.760
It would if your side profile.

1462
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:37.000
Though, she's right quote. The witness tried to explain away

1463
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:39.319
the figure as a person, but said that he was

1464
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.840
the way He but said that he was the ways

1465
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.680
app on his truck. I think he has the ways

1466
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:50.760
app on his truck. And there were no disabled vehicle

1467
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.359
reports for either side of the road, nor were any

1468
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.439
disabled vehicles seen on that stretch of highway. Who the

1469
01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:58.560
fuck cares ouch?

1470
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.720
I'm sorry, Like you don't think that people exist without

1471
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.560
disabled vehicles that have been reported on the ways app?

1472
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.279
What the fuck do you use the ways app? It's

1473
01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:07.960
pretty good.

1474
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:09.600
I don't use the ways app.

1475
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.000
It's just it's pretty good.

1476
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:14.000
It was bought by Google. It's basically the same thing.

1477
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:20.439
Equally, the witness could not explain why there would be

1478
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.960
an individual in uniformly dark clothing crossing a highway in

1479
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.960
front of vehicles going eighty miles an hour. Oh. He's

1480
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.600
also adamant that he knows what he saw as it

1481
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.880
was broad daylight and his eyes were not playing tricks

1482
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:38.000
on him. Okay, does that make you wonder if eyes

1483
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:38.840
are playing tricks on him?

1484
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.520
Because he said that, Yeah, now that he brought it up,

1485
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:43.720
I'm pretty sure there wasn't even in anything.

1486
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:46.199
And he's pretty sure he wasn't even out of his

1487
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:46.840
house that day.

1488
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:48.560
Yeah, he was just like, oh, yeah, I was on

1489
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:50.359
the I was on the interstate, and everyone's like, you

1490
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:53.880
didn't even you didn't you haven't even gone out weeks.

1491
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:57.279
Oh, but here comes a trump card for you. The

1492
01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.319
BFRO investigator who took the report said he believe the

1493
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:04.560
witness to be a credible source, so trust me, Bro.

1494
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:08.399
He also said that the witness was a bear hunter

1495
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:10.720
and that he would know the difference of what he

1496
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:11.399
was looking at.

1497
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:15.680
Okay, so he probably would know that it wasn't a bear.

1498
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:17.640
I still think it was a guy.

1499
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.760
The investigator, who has been on multiple hunts for Bigfoot

1500
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:25.279
in the past, said, based on the information shared by

1501
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:28.800
the witness. He believes that there was a credible bigfoot siding.

1502
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:32.039
According to bfro's website, there have been also been reported

1503
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.239
sightings of Bigfoot in Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, and Missouri. In

1504
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:39.399
twenty twenty five, the report in Missouri claimed to have

1505
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:40.960
been caught on a trail camera.

1506
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:43.119
Oh okay, I don't care.

1507
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:47.920
CBS Wow, CBS twenty we're so hateful today, CBS twenty one.

1508
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.279
What was that?

1509
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:51.680
I really don't like bigfoot?

1510
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.680
You heard it here first. That's gonna be the next

1511
01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.800
T shirt say I don't like Bigfoot and bigfoot crying

1512
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.279
in the background. CBS twenty one reached out to the

1513
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.680
BFRO to ask how it substantiates these reports. One of

1514
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:08.600
the directors of the organization said they have a multi

1515
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:14.479
layered system for determining if a sighting is actually bigfoot. Yeah,

1516
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.760
that sounds a little bit weird, he said. First, they

1517
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:19.800
ask people to report what they saw in an online form.

1518
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.279
Then they will call them call the person to see

1519
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.960
how much of the information matches up with that report.

1520
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:29.319
Then they take several steps from there. Sometimes it involves

1521
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.319
going to the area where the bigfoot was seen to

1522
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.720
document the region. He said, the group has different classifications

1523
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.479
of bigfoot sightings based on how much visual and audio

1524
01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:39.159
evidence is available.

1525
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.239
They know that when they call the person, the person

1526
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.199
could look at what they wrote in the online form

1527
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.119
to make sure if matches up right.

1528
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:51.399
We have a very high opinion of the intelligence of

1529
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:53.199
people reporting sightings of bigfoot.

1530
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:54.800
I do.

1531
01:22:55.000 --> 01:23:00.640
Actually, the BFRO also does expeditions in certain parts the country,

1532
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:04.039
including Pennsylvania.

1533
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.600
C Yeah.

1534
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:11.239
Wow, this one made Shell mad. I feel like cryptids

1535
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:12.720
always put you in a mood.

1536
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:17.159
I don't know. It's not all cryptids. I like some cryptids.

1537
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.039
Mm hmmm, So.

1538
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.880
I don't know. Man, doesn't sound like you do.

1539
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.520
I like the Fresno night Crawler.

1540
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.119
But oh yeah, you did like that?

1541
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:31.600
Yeah, I like that guy.

1542
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:33.760
Well, we're going to take a break and when we

1543
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.399
get back, we won't talk about cryptids at least for

1544
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:49.119
a little while. So stick around, okay, Shell, We're heading

1545
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.039
to Kansas City.

1546
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.479
Kansas City in Kansas.

1547
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:02.920
Well, that's the thing I want you to guess based

1548
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:07.319
on the headline. Okay, So for those who aren't in

1549
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:08.960
the know, I didn't know if you were going to

1550
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:11.359
be all about that. Yeah, it's Casey K. Or kc MO.

1551
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.840
That's the saying when people say I'm from Kansas City,

1552
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:15.880
KCK or case MO.

1553
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:16.880
Yeah.

1554
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.439
So historic Kansas City Jazz Bar claims to be haunted. Quote,

1555
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:27.079
I know they're there. This is from KCTV five dot com.

1556
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:31.199
So is it CASEYK or case MO.

1557
01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:33.520
I'm gonna say it's Missouri.

1558
01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:42.319
You're correct, Yay, Yeah, I don't have any sound effects.

1559
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:47.319
That's okay, Kansas City, Missouri. At Kansas City Bar claims

1560
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:50.479
to be haunted, but in an age of viral ghost videos,

1561
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:56.359
determining what's real presents a challenge. The Phoenix Jazz Bar,

1562
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.840
one of the oldest and most popular establishments in Kansas City,

1563
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:05.000
has become the subject of paranormal investigation. Ashley Dumas, a

1564
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:08.960
bartender at the Phoenix, said she has experienced unexplained phenomena

1565
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.800
while working. Quote, there's been little signs here and there.

1566
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.800
Dumas said, we have glasses that will get knocked over

1567
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.600
back here. We do have a one We do have

1568
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.720
a one particular bar chair that kind of moves around

1569
01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:28.359
and does its own thing. What kind of thing I

1570
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.640
maybe we'll find out, but probably not. Server Ashley Renee

1571
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.079
said she felt the presence of Madame Laws, a historical

1572
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.000
figure connected to the building. Quote. So Madame Laws I

1573
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:43.680
feel the most here. She likes to hang around in

1574
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.600
the mornings. Renee said, she's the one that likes to

1575
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:53.479
move things. You seem nonplussed.

1576
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.359
I mean, I don't even know who that is, and

1577
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.479
I don't also don't know why we think it's her.

1578
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.560
Maybe Madame Laws in life like to move things.

1579
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:06.159
Oh, I mean it's possible. Maybe that was like her thing.

1580
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:08.159
Everyone was like, what are you doing? And she was like,

1581
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:08.920
I'm moving.

1582
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:17.720
Stuff things, Yeah, moving things. Let's see. Frank Valerius opened

1583
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:21.000
the Valerius Saloon in nineteen oh five, the first bar

1584
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:25.760
in what was then the Phoenix Hotel. Upstairs, Madam Lena

1585
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:31.760
Laws rented rooms, though rumors suggest guests weren't exactly sleeping.

1586
01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:34.680
I've been waiting for that too.

1587
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.479
I was like, well for it to be a what

1588
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.159
a prostitute thing?

1589
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.840
Yeah, because it all it just always is get.

1590
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.199
Your mind out of the gutter for once in your life.

1591
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.560
I'm sorry too much, anime, that's what it's done to you.

1592
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:49.880
No.

1593
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.039
Duma said she has seen a figure she believes to

1594
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:58.600
be Valerious Valerius. Yeah, that's how you say it? Valuous quote.

1595
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:00.680
I looked over when I was cleaning the dishes, and

1596
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:03.319
I see this figure like a man. Come to find

1597
01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:07.199
out it was Valuous Valerious. That's the weird name. It's

1598
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:11.560
v A L E R I U S Valuious. I guess, Yeah,

1599
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.199
who used to own the bar? Dumas said Becky. Ray

1600
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.840
founded Paranormal Activity Investigations and her team investigated the Phoenix

1601
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.720
in June. Quote. The history of this place and the

1602
01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:26.239
whole building is just really amazing, and for there not

1603
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.239
to be any activity here would be surprising. Ray said,

1604
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.119
how do you feel about working in a haunted place? Cell?

1605
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:37.279
I think that's fine as long as I can leave

1606
01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:37.760
the place.

1607
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:40.640
Like what do you mean?

1608
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.000
I mean, like, as long as it's not somewhere that

1609
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:43.439
I live.

1610
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.279
Oh, beave where you live too.

1611
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.319
It's not the same. You can't just be like, okay,

1612
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:50.920
I'm done with my shift.

1613
01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:53.760
I mean you literally could just say that and walk

1614
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.079
out your front door. It wouldn't make any sense, but

1615
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:56.840
you can do it.

1616
01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.239
I guess I could. Yeah, I guess it's all the same.

1617
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:00.800
I guess it don't really There.

1618
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:07.439
There we go, Becky, Oh sorry I read that part

1619
01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:13.000
the team captured electronic voice phenomena or EVPs during their investigation.

1620
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:17.560
I should mention Shell is way more the seasoned pro

1621
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:19.760
when it comes to ghost hunting shows. I don't really

1622
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:22.439
watch them at all anymore. Maybe I did back in

1623
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:25.359
the old days, you know, fifteen twenty years ago. I

1624
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:26.479
mean you still watch them?

1625
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.159
Yeah, yeah, sometimes.

1626
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.520
I watched a couple with you last time I visited.

1627
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:33.920
Oh yeah, it was what the hell was on? I

1628
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:34.600
don't remember?

1629
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:40.920
It's okay. Quote, we got some electronic voice phenomena. That's

1630
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.840
when we have recording devices and there are voices that

1631
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.920
show up on it that weren't there at the time

1632
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:50.359
when we were recording it, Ray said. Well, said Sarah

1633
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:53.800
Crowe led the Phoenix investigation and confirmed the voices captured

1634
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.079
were not from team members. Quote. That was not any

1635
01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.800
of us. The nice thing is we all recognize each

1636
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.119
other voices at this point, and we try to make

1637
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:05.680
sure we're not whispering or making weird noises. Crow said,

1638
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.000
I mean, unless you want it to be an awesome

1639
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:09.920
investigation exactly.

1640
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.479
Also, it would be good to have something else rolling,

1641
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:17.279
so you have something they're trying to pick up EVPs on,

1642
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:19.319
and maybe you have something else going, and then you

1643
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:22.039
can compare them because they should all they should all

1644
01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:27.039
sound the same, and I mean you would think, but yeah,

1645
01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:27.760
that's it.

1646
01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:33.039
I mean, well said too. During a follow up investigation,

1647
01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:36.199
the team used an electrical trip wire to test paranormal

1648
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.720
activity around a specific chair. Oh, you're making a symbol

1649
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:40.600
your hand sign.

1650
01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:42.439
I don't know if I believe in all of that

1651
01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:52.399
stuff in trip wires. Yeah, well, in how they're used. Yeah,

1652
01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:55.439
I don't really believe in triple wires in general at that.

1653
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.199
Yeah, yeah, I respect that.

1654
01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:57.880
Thanks.

1655
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.720
What they look for is changes and electricity in the air,

1656
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:06.199
and there's hypotheses that ghosts use that energy. Ray said.

1657
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:10.079
The device appeared to respond when questions were directed toward

1658
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.159
the third chair in the bar. Ray said she doesn't

1659
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.800
feel the need to convince skeptics. Quote. They can believe

1660
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:19.239
whatever they want to believe, you know, that's fine with me.

1661
01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:21.520
I'm not trying to prove anything. Ray said, you are

1662
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:28.680
literally trying to prove things. You are an investigator. You

1663
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.159
are literally that is not true, Like you are literally

1664
01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:37.600
proving things. That is the point. Yeah, just saying. Despite

1665
01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.640
the unexplained occurrence, as staff members said, they don't feel

1666
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:45.359
threatened by the presence quote. I still don't feel alone,

1667
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:48.560
Duma said, I feel like I feel like they like me.

1668
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:54.840
I feel like we're friends. Renee echoed similar sentiments about

1669
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.600
the reported spirits. Quote, they're not scary. I know they're here,

1670
01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:02.600
Renee said, four hours prior to her sudden death. Now

1671
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:07.479
that's not there. But okay, so ca CBO got some ghosts?

1672
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:08.960
Yeah?

1673
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:12.880
Are you so? Chell? Are you afraid of ghosts?

1674
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:17.520
I don't know. Probably.

1675
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.800
So who you gonna call?

1676
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.159
I mean you can't call the police because they won't

1677
01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:28.840
know what to do. Okay, So I guess I'll could

1678
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:29.640
call my mom.

1679
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:33.520
I mean that wasn't the answer I was looking for,

1680
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.600
but it's still pretty much right. Okay, Well, when we

1681
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.279
get back, we're going to look into a really big

1682
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:45.640
or fish and what that means for the world around it? Oh,

1683
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:59.000
right after this shell? Yes, what's your opinion of or fish?

1684
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:00.880
I don't remember what they look like.

1685
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:06.960
That's a pretty hateful opinion. I mean, wouldn't you assume

1686
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:10.279
they resemble an or fish?

1687
01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:11.239
Probably not?

1688
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.800
They look like an or They don't look like an

1689
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:16.960
I mean they resemble an ar?

1690
01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:17.880
They do?

1691
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:20.560
Yes? Why would I be lying.

1692
01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:21.600
I don't know.

1693
01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:26.800
You're you? Yeah, you are on one today. I'm calling

1694
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:30.880
your mom when this show's over, because you know she'll

1695
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:31.680
tell you to act right.

1696
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:34.880
No, she'll she'll just be sad and she'll wonder what

1697
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.000
she did wrong, and let's not do that to her.

1698
01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:39.600
Oh man, that's not cool. My mom does My mom's like,

1699
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:41.479
where did I go wrong? I failed?

1700
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:45.199
That's yeah, yeah, I don't Okay, I.

1701
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:51.039
Won't call unless I really need to motivate you. Oh well,

1702
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:52.520
I can't show you a picture of it right now.

1703
01:32:52.520 --> 01:33:00.279
But this article comes out of Australia. Uh from the

1704
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:05.680
Guardian dot com. Three three meter giant oarfish palace Messenger

1705
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:10.119
of Doom washes up on Tasmanian beach. This is the

1706
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:13.560
third story that we have found where some kind of

1707
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:15.960
fish washes up on a shore and it's known to

1708
01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.680
be a bad omen. Yeah this year.

1709
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.159
Oh yay. I just looked up or fish and they

1710
01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:24.159
just look like long.

1711
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:32.159
So yeah, what is an or long? Huh ah? How straight? Okay,

1712
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.159
you guys think see, people think Sheell's nice, but she's mean.

1713
01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:43.000
That's the truth is she's actually really mean. It was

1714
01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.399
a beautiful, warm day in Northwest Tasmania when a fish

1715
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.319
with a reputation as a harbinger of doom washed ashore.

1716
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:54.920
Now you say harbinger or harbinger harbinger? Okay, good. I

1717
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:56.840
was afraid we weren't allowed to be friends anymore.

1718
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.319
Oh.

1719
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:03.760
Tony Cheeseman, that's his name, who lives in the seaside

1720
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.279
town of Penguin. I feel like I need somebody else

1721
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:09.520
to look at the screen so I know I'm not

1722
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:12.439
having a stroke like I'm saying. Feels like it's not

1723
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.960
the right word. Tony Cheeseman, who lives in the seaside

1724
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.880
town of Penguin. Uh fresh, I smell fresh cut grass.

1725
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:24.039
Thud was walking his two dogs, rown In and Custard,

1726
01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:29.560
not helping the beach, along the beach at Preservation Bay

1727
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.840
on Friday morning when something silvery and surrounded by gulls

1728
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.720
grabbed his attention. All right, at least the sentence is

1729
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:39.880
starting to feel like it's an actual sentence. Now. Quote.

1730
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.319
When I got to it, I saw this massive fish.

1731
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:45.439
Then I noticed the beautiful colors, and it had these

1732
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.199
long fans coming out of its chin and at the

1733
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:51.479
top of its head. He said, I'd never seen anything

1734
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:56.439
like it. Professor Cullum Brown, an expert in fish at

1735
01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:00.640
Macquarie University, said there were several species of oar fish,

1736
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.039
but the three meter specimen found at Penguin was probably

1737
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:07.800
the largest and most well known. The giant oar fish.

1738
01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.039
Oh so they're one of those species where they have

1739
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.399
one specie that's just the giant that.

1740
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.760
But someone was like, I don't know, I'm done with names.

1741
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.239
It's fine. It's just a really big one.

1742
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:20.840
It's what if that's what Bigfoot is. He's just the

1743
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:23.039
giant guy, like the giant human.

1744
01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:26.199
Okay, that's what we find him in it.

1745
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:27.800
If you call the giant.

1746
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.000
Yeah, we just call him giant human.

1747
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:31.479
Like the giant squid.

1748
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:32.880
Yeah, exactly.

1749
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.640
Quote. They're a very unusual looking fish, he said. They're

1750
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.680
super long and skinny, kind of like a ribbon, and

1751
01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.920
they have a continuous dorsal fin. That's fine, like an ore.

1752
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:48.399
Ors don't have dorsal fins.

1753
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.479
Oh I meant the dorsal fin was like an ore.

1754
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:55.560
Oh yeah, now you feel bad, yeah coming at me

1755
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.000
like that. Yeah, giant or fish could grow up to

1756
01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.079
eight or nine meters, he said, but because they lived

1757
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.439
two hundred to one than five hundred meters below the surface.

1758
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:09.279
They were rarely seen. Quote. They only ever show up

1759
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:14.319
at the surface when they're sick or dying. He said, oh, buddy,

1760
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:16.199
it's okay.

1761
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:17.600
I don't want them to die.

1762
01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:20.680
He's with the angelfish now, No.

1763
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:22.920
I think those that are underwater.

1764
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:26.439
See so this is what I was talking about. In

1765
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:30.720
Japanese folklore, or fish were known as reugu no sukai.

1766
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:33.520
I think I said that.

1767
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.439
Okay, it sounded like it probably was fine.

1768
01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:40.600
Rugu no suki. R y you with a slash above it,

1769
01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.880
gee you with a slash over it? Re you goo?

1770
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.239
I think so, re you go sure, which translated to

1771
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.479
the seas God's the sea gods palace messenger, the sea

1772
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:59.359
God's palace messenger, Brown said, and their arrival was thought

1773
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.840
to harold lamities such as an earthquake or tsunami, but

1774
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.880
they were an unremarkable harbinger of doom or unreliable. Unremarkable.

1775
01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:11.680
I am I should sleep one day. It has been

1776
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.600
there long three months. Yeah, unreliable harbinger of doom. According

1777
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:18.159
to one study, you could say that about anything, man,

1778
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:24.479
Texico station gas stations are such an unreliable harbinger of doom. Yeah,

1779
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.119
which found no link between sightings of these slender sea

1780
01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:30.880
creatures and imminent disaster. Quote or fish just rock up

1781
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.960
at or just rock up at random? Brown said, we

1782
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:36.479
don't know very much about them, so any specimen that

1783
01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:40.119
washes up is really valuable. Or fish were also connected

1784
01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:43.399
to myths about sea serpents, said David Waldron, an associate

1785
01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:48.399
professor and historian at Federation University. Quote when they come

1786
01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:50.560
to the surface, which is when sailors in the nineteenth

1787
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:54.039
and eighteenth centuries would see them, it would be when

1788
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.479
they were ill and thrashing about, not able to maintain

1789
01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:03.960
their normal depth underwater. So what do you think about

1790
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.760
sea sea serpents?

1791
01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:10.000
I think they're just probably or fish. Now, thank you

1792
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:10.840
what we're going for?

1793
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:16.039
Look at you learning? Yeah, it's an educational show. You

1794
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.880
should get a grant or something. One Australian newspaper even

1795
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:25.119
reported the discovery of a quote supposed sea serpent at Penguin,

1796
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:30.000
Tasmania in eighteen seventy eight. Oh Wow, with an engraving

1797
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:33.680
of the quote mystic creature looking very much like an

1798
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:39.239
oar fish, enormous, brightly colored, distinctive and extremely rare. Is

1799
01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:43.239
it describing me the legendary appeal was similar to other

1800
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:46.520
creatures from the deep, like the giant squid. They were

1801
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:52.279
fascinating and mysterious. Waldron said, it's a very spectacular looking fish.

1802
01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:56.000
Was this one a harbinger of doom? Cheeseman didn't think so.

1803
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.880
Quote it was too nice a day for that. Oh

1804
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:05.239
I like him a lot now, So what a great

1805
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:06.760
end to the article. It was too nice a day

1806
01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:09.039
for that. I went Australian on that one because I

1807
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.199
felt like I could do that without it being insulting.

1808
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:13.800
Yeah, I'm sure it was a little insulting.

1809
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:16.039
Oh yeah, but I wasn't like saying didjii do and

1810
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.920
dingo over and over something like that, you know. Although,

1811
01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:21.760
my favorite thing ever was when a friend of mine

1812
01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:24.680
started playing a Digii do at a convention and I

1813
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:26.560
came up to him and I said, hey, let's digury

1814
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:30.159
don't and say we did, which was what my mom

1815
01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:31.760
My mom used to say, let's don't and say we

1816
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:32.479
did all the time.

1817
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:33.720
Yeah, it was.

1818
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.159
A nice it was a nice, charming moment. It was charming.

1819
01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.359
I don't care what anybody else says. I am a delight.

1820
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:42.600
So when we get back, we're gonna do one more

1821
01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:47.920
news story. Because this is about real estate and she

1822
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.840
loves herself. Some house information because I think it was

1823
01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.960
last month we talked about the Conjuring Home being sold. Well,

1824
01:39:56.760 --> 01:40:01.600
looks like some lawsuits might be going on. Yay, yeah,

1825
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:11.439
we'll talk about that right after this. All right, Shelle,

1826
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:14.399
it's time to see what controversy is going on with

1827
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.560
the Conjuring Home. Okay, So this is from kget dot

1828
01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:23.359
com and the headline is the Conjuring Home fight sparks

1829
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.159
lawsuit against Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes.

1830
01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.720
Really, yeah, what's happening?

1831
01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:36.079
Well, I don't know. Oh, I guess we can eat

1832
01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:42.039
this now. Burleville, Rhode Island. The Conjuring House saga has escalated.

1833
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:46.039
The homeowner's sister has filed a lawsuit against multiple people,

1834
01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:50.479
including sci fi's Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes, alleging her sister,

1835
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:58.920
Jacqueline Jacqueline, Jacqueline, Jacqueline. Sorry, her last name is Spanish

1836
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:03.680
and I started speaking Spanish early. I guess Jacqueline Nuniez

1837
01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:06.920
wasn't mentally competent when she handed over the rights to

1838
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.520
sell the famous home for at least one point three

1839
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:10.439
million dollars.

1840
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:10.840
MM.

1841
01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:16.159
Elizabeth Greenhalk of Utah is asking a Rhode Island Superior

1842
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.600
Court judge to block the never before seen agreement triggered

1843
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:22.800
in October when Nuniaz is alleged to have signed over

1844
01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:27.359
limited power of attorney to Hawes's associate Julia DeMay to quote,

1845
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.560
do all things necessary with respect to the sale of

1846
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:34.159
the home with Jason Hawes. According to the lawsuits, what's

1847
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:34.680
on your mind?

1848
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.359
Wait, who got power of attorney?

1849
01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:44.000
It says uh Nunyaz allegedly signed over limited power of

1850
01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:47.560
attorney to Hawes's associate Julia de May.

1851
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:52.000
That's insane. Tell us why, Well, I don't think we

1852
01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.880
want someone to give power of attorney to the person

1853
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:56.720
who's trying to buy a house.

1854
01:41:57.239 --> 01:41:58.640
Limited power of attorney?

1855
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.560
Okay, I don't think think you should give limited power

1856
01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:06.359
of attorney to the person who's trying to buy your house.

1857
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.439
That sounds that sounds bad.

1858
01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.000
What makes you think that? Like, I mean, they probably

1859
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.359
have their best to interest in heart.

1860
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:19.800
Right, I mean, I mean you're right, everyone's nice and

1861
01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:23.159
no one would do that out of bed that you know,

1862
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:26.560
like wanting to get like greed and stuff.

1863
01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:30.159
I don't know, I mean, I don't know a lot

1864
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:33.600
about power of attorney other than you know, super attorney.

1865
01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:35.000
The cartoon show I used to watch when I was

1866
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:37.079
a kid about the lawyer who was a you know,

1867
01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:41.760
he was hit by a radioactive golf ball. So now

1868
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:49.560
he's a super attorney. So let's see DeMay and Hawes

1869
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:53.159
told Next Star's w PRI they had not yet received

1870
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:57.399
the complaint and declined to comment further. The lawsuit reveals

1871
01:42:57.399 --> 01:43:00.600
what's been happening behind the scenes at the eighteenth century farmhouse,

1872
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:05.039
which sparked international interest last year Afternoonyaz fired an employee,

1873
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:08.880
claiming the spirit of the home's eighteenth century owner told

1874
01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.399
her the employee was stealing.

1875
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:13.000
Maybe she was.

1876
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:17.520
She probably was, you know yeah, oh, so I asked, chatch.

1877
01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.039
Ept, oh that's what you were doing.

1878
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:23.760
Maybe. I just asked, is there ever a situation where

1879
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.039
you should give limited power of attorney to someone to

1880
01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:30.880
help with the selling of a home or property? And

1881
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.359
it said yes, there are legit situations where a limited

1882
01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.800
aka special power of attorney is the cleanest way to

1883
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.159
keep a real estate deal moving, as long as it's

1884
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:41.199
narrowly written and you trust the person.

1885
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:45.039
I'm sorry, continue with Chetchy.

1886
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:49.199
You can't be physically present or time sensitive closing medically

1887
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:57.119
medical inability. There's an estate trust scenario many owners and

1888
01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.800
one owner is not available. You want one person a

1889
01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:05.600
hand transaction logistics. That's yeah, that's what it was saying.

1890
01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.880
It's possible that this that the person they they they

1891
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.119
said was not is like an agent, is not a

1892
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:15.079
just some friend of Hawes's, it said Hawes associate Julia

1893
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.960
de Maay. But DeMay might be just like a person

1894
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:18.520
who does this.

1895
01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.319
I mean, it's possible. It just seems like a conflict

1896
01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:25.159
of interests. And I don't And it's like and the

1897
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.199
power attorney thing, that's not my problem. My problem is you.

1898
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:31.800
You wouldn't want that to be, like if you're the seller,

1899
01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:37.159
Like you don't want the buyers shit being your stuff,

1900
01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.319
power of attorney and things. I don't know. It sounds

1901
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:42.920
not good to me, really not good.

1902
01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:48.880
Sure, let's see. Since then, multiple famous people have been

1903
01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:51.319
jockeying to buy the property, which Nunia has had turned

1904
01:44:51.359 --> 01:44:55.279
into a successful tourist attraction before losing her entertainment license

1905
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:57.720
a year ago. We heard about that, We talked about

1906
01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:01.560
that on the show a couple months ago. Hawes has

1907
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:04.640
been raising money through GoFundMe to purchase the home, an

1908
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:08.680
effort spurred by Andrea Perron, who requested on social media

1909
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:12.600
that he saved the home the twenty thirteen blockbuster The

1910
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:16.479
Conjuring was based off the paren family's supernatural experience living

1911
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.560
in the farmhouse in the nineteen seventies. A buying war

1912
01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:23.680
erupted after Nunyez stopped making payments on the loan she

1913
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.199
used to buy the home for one point five million

1914
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.880
dollars in twenty twenty two.

1915
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:33.520
So wait, so she's only owned the home for a

1916
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:34.359
few years.

1917
01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:36.079
Yeah, not very long at all.

1918
01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:36.640
Wow.

1919
01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:40.199
The bank initially put the home up for auction scheduled

1920
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:42.640
for Halloween, but I remember hearing about this. It was

1921
01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:44.520
supposed to go up for auction to Halloween, but a

1922
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:49.039
company controlled by YouTuber Elton Castille purchased the underlying note beforehand,

1923
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:53.279
effectively canceling the highly anticipated event. As it stands now,

1924
01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:56.840
Casti's company owns the debt, and DeMay Quote has entered

1925
01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.359
or will soon enter into an agreement to sell the

1926
01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:00.520
property to Hawes.

1927
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:01.439
Okay.

1928
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:04.399
Casti and comedian Matt Rife have been trying to buy

1929
01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:07.079
the home separately from Hawes, which comes in the wake

1930
01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.279
of them buying the Warren House in Connecticut. So that's

1931
01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:11.720
what we talked about it last time. This was the

1932
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:16.079
Warren House. This is the house that they fought supposedly

1933
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.079
fought a monstrous demon in.

1934
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.560
Right, because yeah, we hadn't talked about like Jason from

1935
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:26.000
Ghost Unders before about so yeah, right, so you claim

1936
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.039
I think I would remember.

1937
01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:31.720
What are you guys besties? No?

1938
01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:36.000
He no, but I know who he is and I

1939
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:39.000
just kind of stand out in front of his house sometimes.

1940
01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:40.000
Oh that's nice.

1941
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:44.279
Yeah, does he wave, He like shakes his fists and

1942
01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:48.000
he like points to his cell phone a lot like.

1943
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:51.279
But I think that means he wants me to call him.

1944
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:52.680
So that sounds like it.

1945
01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:54.720
Yeah.

1946
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:57.520
Castie, whose company is named as an interested party in

1947
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.760
the lawsuit, did not immediately respond to her for comment.

1948
01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:05.399
Greenhall alleged Nunya's quote was legally incompetent and not found

1949
01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:07.760
sound of mind when she signed over the rights to

1950
01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.720
DeMay to sell the house. She accuses accused Hawes of

1951
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:15.560
conspiring with DeMay and leading a concerted effort to acquire

1952
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:22.600
the property despite knowing Nunias was unwell. Nunyaz told me

1953
01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:25.640
on multiple occasions that she would never sell the property,

1954
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:29.119
especially not to Hawes. Greenhall wrote in the lawsuit, adding

1955
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:32.159
that Nunias had suffered from various delusions over the past

1956
01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:36.039
year that include accusing greenhg and her husband of having

1957
01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:42.399
engaged in criminal activity that has absolutely no basis in reality.

1958
01:47:42.079 --> 01:47:47.720
So Nuniez had had accused Greenhge of committing crimes, maybe

1959
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:50.359
that's the true thing, and Greenhall is just trying to

1960
01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:57.960
steal m that's allegedly. This is completely we're making stuff. Nuniez,

1961
01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:01.399
who didn't immediately respond to her request, has repeatedly told

1962
01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:05.000
WPRIS she would never sell the property. Hawes and Nuniez

1963
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.880
have butted heads in the past. Hawes filed the police

1964
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.640
report in twenty twenty four asking for a restraining order

1965
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:14.960
against Nuniez whow alleging she was harassing him and his

1966
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:17.079
family and had come up with a twisted theory that

1967
01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:18.479
he was plotting to kill her.

1968
01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:20.760
Wow.

1969
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:23.880
See, and you were just comically stalking him.

1970
01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:25.439
Yeah.

1971
01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:28.319
Hawes, who has said he's only seeking to buy the

1972
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.720
home because of Peron's request, posted on Facebook that the

1973
01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:34.760
lawsuit does not change the direction we are moving in

1974
01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:39.439
complex property transactions, particularly those involving long histories and multiple parties,

1975
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:42.560
filings and delays are not unusual, he wrote, Some arise

1976
01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.479
naturally through the process, and some may extend timelines in

1977
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:49.600
ways that benefit other parties involved. We remain fully transparent

1978
01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:53.640
and are continuing to handle everything through the appropriate legal channels.

1979
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.479
I can't comment on motives at this time, he added,

1980
01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:01.000
So what's your take, your hot take.

1981
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:05.199
I guess my take is that, I mean, for a set,

1982
01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:08.880
I mean, I don't like the whole thing, the power

1983
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:13.960
returney thing, but knowing that she she the property was

1984
01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:16.880
going up for auction because she had not been paying

1985
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.880
I guess the mortgage. Yeah, now I'm kind of like, eh,

1986
01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:25.439
I mean it was going away, like she wasn't going

1987
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:28.199
to be able to keep it anyway, you know, So

1988
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:31.119
I'm not now I'm just kind of like, Wow, this

1989
01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:36.760
is fucked up. Everybody's fucked up. Yeah, and she's probably insane.

1990
01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:41.720
Oh wow, that's pretty harsh, but okay. Yeah, Well, we're

1991
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:43.479
gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

1992
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.159
we're going to talk about our topic for the show,

1993
01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:49.399
our last topic of twenty twenty five, which is all

1994
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:53.159
about how in nineteen eighty seven, two tourists went to

1995
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:57.520
Times Square to celebrate New Years, as many tens of thousands,

1996
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:01.159
hundreds of thousands of people do every year. But they

1997
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:05.560
got convicted of murder. And that's just the beginning of

1998
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:17.479
this fascinating saga right after this. So, cell, you've been

1999
01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:21.039
New York City adjacent your whole life, including being born

2000
01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:22.079
in de Bronx.

2001
01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:24.479
I mean that's technically New York City.

2002
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:29.159
What hospital were you born at? The one in the Bronx,

2003
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.159
the Bronx Hospital, the Bronx General. I know the name

2004
01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:36.239
of the hospital I was born in.

2005
01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:39.399
I don't know if I know the name of the hospital.

2006
01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:41.680
It's easy for me because I was born in Saint Elizabeth's,

2007
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.399
which doesn't exist anymore. So, wow, it was renamed and

2008
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:46.439
then destroyed.

2009
01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.159
I'm pretty sure my hospital still exists.

2010
01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:51.439
Yeah, they need them in New York, you know, for

2011
01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:54.800
all the stabbins and stuff. So, but have you ever

2012
01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.680
been tempted? You in your life of being like born

2013
01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:00.640
in the Bronx, living in Jersey, living in Philly, have

2014
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:03.119
you ever been tempted to go to Times Square for

2015
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.640
New Year's No? No, why not?

2016
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:09.199
Because it sounds terrible? Why would I just what part

2017
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:13.279
the all of it out. There's lots of people, lots

2018
01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:15.680
of people, and you have to stay where you are

2019
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:20.399
because you have to there's nowhere to go and it's

2020
01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:22.840
cold out, and then what are you going to do?

2021
01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.920
You just watch the ball drop out of off the building.

2022
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:28.600
I mean there are literally like some of the most

2023
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:31.359
famous performers in the world perform concerts there.

2024
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.319
Oh, I mean none, none that I want to see that.

2025
01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:35.159
Ouch.

2026
01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:38.479
No, it sounds terrible. I would never do that. There

2027
01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:39.920
are a lot of things I would like to do

2028
01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:44.000
in New York, but not that. Like what I'd like

2029
01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:47.520
to go see the Big Tree.

2030
01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:50.359
Why don't you just go see it? It's a big tree.

2031
01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:54.760
Well I I could. I just I'd have to like

2032
01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:56.520
go there to do it. It's not like it's right

2033
01:51:57.239 --> 01:51:59.399
on my street. So I'll go. I'll go see it

2034
01:51:59.399 --> 01:51:59.840
next year.

2035
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:03.680
Me when I lived in North Jersey, I don't know

2036
01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:07.600
if you remember this, but I lived in Butler, New Jersey,

2037
01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:11.880
and Butler was the last stop that was direct to

2038
01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.479
New York City. So you could get on the bus

2039
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.760
and go straight to New York City, no connections, no nothing.

2040
01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:19.279
But it was like the furthest you could get and

2041
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:25.479
still do that. Yeah, on like NJ Transit on New

2042
01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:28.119
Year's Eve. Both years that I was there for New

2043
01:52:28.199 --> 01:52:31.880
Year's Eve, there were people parked to go to Times

2044
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:36.319
Square up and down my street in Jersey. That's so weird,

2045
01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:38.159
like thirty miles away.

2046
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:40.800
I mean, that's a great idea, and I would totally

2047
01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:41.159
do that.

2048
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:43.880
Sure, yeah, well but you weren't even supposed to park

2049
01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:45.760
on the street over there, Like they were just parked

2050
01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:47.880
on our street anyway, and nobody everybody just shrugged.

2051
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:50.840
Well, I mean it's a holiday, so the people who

2052
01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:53.000
ticket is probably not out, you know.

2053
01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.560
And and the way I figured that out initially before

2054
01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:58.039
I asked the neighbor and they're like, oh yeah, this

2055
01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:01.319
always happens, was because like you couldn't guess the license

2056
01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:02.960
plate they were from all over the country.

2057
01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:04.960
Weit wow wow.

2058
01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:10.439
Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, all that to say that made

2059
01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:12.359
me even less want to go. I was like, how

2060
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.800
packed it must be. But this is an interesting piece

2061
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:21.000
I discovered from AETV dot com. It feels like it's

2062
01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.159
spooky news, but this is a little bit deeper than

2063
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:27.880
a news story. Okay, the title is it took nearly

2064
01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:31.319
forty years for two men to prove they were wrongfully

2065
01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:34.359
convicted of a New Year's murder in Times Square.

2066
01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:35.680
Wow.

2067
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:40.199
Yeah, so and uh, I just thought this was like

2068
01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:44.520
the perfect timing to talk about something New Year's related.

2069
01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:49.319
In the early morning hours of January third, nineteen eighty seven,

2070
01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:53.000
nineteen year old Eric Smokes was walking his girlfriend of

2071
01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:56.439
two years, Tammy Jenkins, the five blocks back to her

2072
01:53:56.439 --> 01:53:59.680
home after a night at his East New York Brooklyn apartment,

2073
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:04.000
when he was swarmed by police. Quote they cornered me.

2074
01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:06.880
They cornered me off and held me like the Gestapo

2075
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.600
or ice, and they said I had to go with them,

2076
01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:14.840
Smokes tells Ane Crime Plus Investigation. Smokes was interrogated for

2077
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.800
hours at the station. He says, quote they initiated with

2078
01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:23.000
questions about days and times. I was trying to answer

2079
01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:25.479
truthfully and honest as I could. But I'm like, whoa,

2080
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:29.079
this seems serious. Then they hit you with there's been

2081
01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:29.720
a murder.

2082
01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:32.920
Yeah.

2083
01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:35.680
Later that day, the police knocked on the door of

2084
01:54:35.720 --> 01:54:39.159
sixteen year old David Warren in nearby Pink Houses public

2085
01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:43.239
housing project. Warren wasn't home, but he was close down

2086
01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:46.359
the hall in the apartment of Kim Williams, his girlfriend

2087
01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:49.079
of just over a year. His mother had came to

2088
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:53.039
get him. Warren says the police were kind at first,

2089
01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:55.880
but when they got him away from parental supervision in

2090
01:54:55.920 --> 01:55:00.439
the hallway of the apartment, the atmosphere instantly changed. Quote

2091
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.079
they asked me to take off my shirt, Warren said.

2092
01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.760
The victim's wife had scratched the guy that assaulted him,

2093
01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:09.039
so they wanted me to take off my garments to

2094
01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:11.399
see if I had any marks on me, which I didn't.

2095
01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:15.119
Down at the station, they began interrogating him about his

2096
01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:20.920
whereabouts on New Year's Eve. I was petrified. Warren recalls.

2097
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:24.960
What unfolded next was a string of events that incarcerated

2098
01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:27.680
the two until they were middle aged, only for the

2099
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:31.640
Manhattan District Attorney to vacate their convictions in twenty twenty four,

2100
01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:41.760
acknowledging their prosecution had been quote unjust wow, Yeah, it's

2101
01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:45.119
pretty crazy. I mean, first of all, it would be

2102
01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:49.119
a pretty high profile thing if somebody's murdered on you know,

2103
01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:52.520
near Times Square in you know, nineteen eighty seven, like

2104
01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:54.199
where as the ball was dropping and this was during

2105
01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:57.720
what the height of like crime. Really being kind of

2106
01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.720
beat up pretty well well, you know, pretty knocked out

2107
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:03.239
compared to the way New York had been because it

2108
01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.680
had been well it really the nineties, I guess was

2109
01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:07.159
when it really got better. Huh.

2110
01:56:07.319 --> 01:56:10.399
Yeah, it was still really really rough around that time. Yeah,

2111
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:12.920
really rough around that time. And Times Square around that

2112
01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:14.760
time was really really rough.

2113
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:15.439
Yeah.

2114
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:18.119
So did you not know that?

2115
01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:21.319
I mean I knew that New York was just the worst.

2116
01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:23.760
Oh you didn't, but you didn't know the whole thing

2117
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.239
about Times Square. No, you don't know about.

2118
01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:27.560
Time really, No, tell me.

2119
01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:32.319
Oh, Times Square used to just be like terrible and

2120
01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:36.279
used to just be like all like like peep shows

2121
01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:38.279
and like adult movies.

2122
01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:40.199
I mean I knew that because I worked at a

2123
01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:44.439
company that remastered like forty Second Street movies and stuff. Yeah,

2124
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:46.560
but it was like the Second Street was famous for

2125
01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:47.000
that too.

2126
01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:49.600
It was like super super dangerous there.

2127
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.000
But everybody likes to go there to kiss when the

2128
01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:52.800
ball drops man.

2129
01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:54.520
Yeah. Yeah.

2130
01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:58.520
So, Warren and Smokes were the prime suspects in the

2131
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.760
murder case case of Dean Cassie, a seventy one year

2132
01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:04.760
old French tourist who had been killed in a violent

2133
01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:08.680
robbery ten blocks north of Times Square minutes after the

2134
01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:13.760
ball dropped in nineteen eighty seven. The teenagers who were

2135
01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.000
friends had gone to Times Square that night with a

2136
01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:18.560
group of peers in the hopes of catching a rap

2137
01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:22.199
show at Latin Quarters, a music venue popular with teenagers,

2138
01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:24.840
but the cover charge was steep that night and not

2139
01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:27.000
everyone in the group could afford it, so the group

2140
01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:31.319
hung out outside the club before heading home. Warren and

2141
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.840
Smokes insist that they never ventured near the murder scene,

2142
01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:38.399
an alibi that was corroborated by their friends, but several

2143
01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:43.279
eyewitnesses placed them at the scene. They were arrested and

2144
01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:48.239
put on trial for second degree murder. I'm really curious

2145
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:50.920
about this because I've become a bit skeptical about the

2146
01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:57.119
wrongfully accused concept. Okay, well, what was it? What was

2147
01:57:57.159 --> 01:57:57.800
the was it?

2148
01:57:57.880 --> 01:57:58.920
Serial cereal?

2149
01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.399
When I dug deeper and like looked at other reports

2150
01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:06.680
about it, I became way less convinced the guy was innocent. Like,

2151
01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:10.239
they definitely worked really hard to push the concept that

2152
01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:11.520
he was guilty not guilty.

2153
01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:15.600
I mean, we've talked about that before, and I haven't

2154
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.000
done a lot of research, so I can't really say

2155
01:58:18.119 --> 01:58:21.600
either way. But there are tons of people who are

2156
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.159
just wrongly convicted.

2157
01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:26.239
Well, I agree, I met, I met the media portrayal. Sorry,

2158
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:30.479
that's what I mean, Like, like how framing has been

2159
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:34.039
done on some of them. I'm not denying that that

2160
01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:37.920
I would rather This is not popular to some people,

2161
01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.920
but I would rather guilty people go free than innocent

2162
01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.560
people suffer in prison. I would definitely prefer to axit,

2163
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:49.319
to wrongfully let someone go, than to wrongfully imprison someone.

2164
01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:50.119
Yeah.

2165
01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:51.880
So I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but

2166
01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.680
I am wondering, Like, I wonder what because the fact

2167
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:57.000
that there were eyewitnesses that could be bullshit. I'm curious

2168
01:58:57.039 --> 01:59:02.439
to hear if the eyewitnesses are you know, we're bull crap.

2169
01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:05.640
I mean, even if there are eyewitnesses, they're they're like,

2170
01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.680
they're just kids, right, Like you can be wrong, you can.

2171
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:12.760
Oh yeah, just kids. I was like, Yes, kids kill

2172
01:59:12.760 --> 01:59:13.760
people all the time.

2173
01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:16.560
Oh no, but I'm sure they just look like kids.

2174
01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:20.239
So it's not it's not hard for someone to, you know,

2175
01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:24.920
think they remember something correctly and not. Absolutely eyewitnesses are

2176
01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:26.159
notoriously bad.

2177
01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.119
Absolutely. Well, we're going to jump back into this right

2178
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:40.000
after this break. All right, we're back looking into the

2179
01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:45.600
trial of Eric Smokes and David Warren. So let's see.

2180
01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:51.239
The most notable eyewitness was James Walker, age sixteen. Walker

2181
01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:54.399
had been arrested January second, nineteen eighty seven, for a

2182
01:59:54.439 --> 01:59:59.039
different mugging in the Times Square area. Under questioning, Walker

2183
01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:05.479
told investigators that Smokes had told him he'd murdered Cassie.

2184
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:09.800
Smoke says before Walker was Smoke says before Walker was

2185
02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:16.000
an acquaintance. Smoke says before Walker, before Walker was an acquaintance.

2186
02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.199
Before the trial, get a copy at her an e

2187
02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:22.840
ge quote. We didn't hang out, but if we'd see

2188
02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:25.640
each other, we'd acknowledge that we knew each other. Young

2189
02:00:25.680 --> 02:00:31.079
teenager stuff very loose, Smokes explains. Smokes was bewildered by

2190
02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:34.520
Walker's testimony at the trial. Quote, it was heart wrenching.

2191
02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:37.840
It's not just that he's testifying. He's making stuff up,

2192
02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:40.319
and it isn't David and Eric stole candy out of

2193
02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:44.319
a store. This is life altering, for real, for real situation.

2194
02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:46.560
How are you going to get up there and do that?

2195
02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:49.920
As for Warren, he says he was offered a plea

2196
02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:52.520
deal to testify against Smokes that would have gotten him

2197
02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:56.000
out in as little as a year. Wow, half of

2198
02:00:56.039 --> 02:01:00.479
which he'd already served in pre trial detention. It was

2199
02:01:00.520 --> 02:01:04.359
a non starter. Quote that would have involved lying on somebody.

2200
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:08.399
There was nothing to think about, Warren says. For the

2201
02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:11.239
second for the second degree murder, Smokes was convicted and

2202
02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:14.520
sentenced to twenty five years to life imprisonment.

2203
02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:15.319
Wow.

2204
02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:19.239
Warren was convicted and got fifteen years to life. In

2205
02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:21.359
two thousand and five, Walker would write a letter to

2206
02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:25.199
Smokes confessing to deep guilty felt for offering false testimony.

2207
02:01:25.560 --> 02:01:29.279
Oh there we go. It was provided to Any Crime

2208
02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:33.359
Plus Investigation by Smokes and Warren's lawyer James Henning. Quote.

2209
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:35.680
I don't know why I did it besides me wanting

2210
02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:38.439
to stay free and smoke crack. The letter reads, Hey,

2211
02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:41.800
that is fucking That is the That is honesty that

2212
02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:43.560
you can't get from just anybody.

2213
02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:44.079
Yeah.

2214
02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:46.399
Yeah, Like I'm not even a fault the guy. It

2215
02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:50.119
sounds like he's he's you know, gotten his life right,

2216
02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:55.159
you know, if he's apologizing for that. Yeah. The letter reads,

2217
02:01:55.399 --> 02:01:57.920
I've committed the ultimate crime. That's not the ultimate crime,

2218
02:01:58.079 --> 02:02:00.880
but it's bad. That's a pretty nice that's the ultimate crime.

2219
02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:03.319
Though by that, I don't know what the ultimate crime is, though,

2220
02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:05.880
I just feel like it can't be just that. By

2221
02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:09.039
that point, Warren and Smokes had already been incarcerated for

2222
02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:15.520
eighteen years. Oh God. The first stop was Elmira Correctional.

2223
02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.840
Warren recounts, they make you strip buck naked, spray you

2224
02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:21.039
with some life stuff, make you get in a shower

2225
02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:23.760
with other naked teenagers, give you some clothes, take you

2226
02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:26.239
and read you the Riot Act and how they'll kill

2227
02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:28.119
you if you get out of line, and that they

2228
02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:30.920
don't care what you do to each other. Well, it's

2229
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.680
called delousing, uh powder. But otherwise that all sounds right.

2230
02:02:35.079 --> 02:02:36.159
Yeah, I got it.

2231
02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:41.359
The men begin serving their sentences together. Quote. We were

2232
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:44.520
on the same bus from Rikers to Elmira, Warren says.

2233
02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:47.239
My number was eight seven B one sixty four seven

2234
02:02:47.279 --> 02:02:49.479
and he was eight seven B one six' five to.

2235
02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:54.720
Two initially they were in the same galley, gallery i.

2236
02:02:54.840 --> 02:02:57.319
E the area of the cell. Block later they were

2237
02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:00.680
moved to separate, facilities but stayed in. Touch they kept

2238
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:03.880
in contact with their girlfriends as. Well quote throughout my,

2239
02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:07.359
incarceration she was always my. Friend she never forgot about,

2240
02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:10.479
Me warren says Of williams twenty one, years and she

2241
02:03:10.600 --> 02:03:15.800
never missed my. Birthday oh that's really. Nice smokes And jenkins.

2242
02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:19.600
Reunited quote that was my biggest, Fan smoke, said adding

2243
02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:23.319
that although she had other relationships over the, years, QUOTE

2244
02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:25.479
i GUESS i made a hell of an impression prior

2245
02:03:25.479 --> 02:03:29.720
to that because we ultimately ended up back. Together, oh,

2246
02:03:29.800 --> 02:03:34.319
oh that's. Nice or she's very. Difficult, yeah they're all good. Answers.

2247
02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:38.760
Yeah On december, twentieth two thousand and, seven the day

2248
02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:41.399
after he was released on, Parole warren went to a

2249
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:45.319
check cashing store in his neighborhood Where williams. Worked it

2250
02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:48.479
was a pragmatic. Visit he Knew williams would process a

2251
02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:51.399
check he'd, received even though he hadn't yet secured a

2252
02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:58.880
VALID id post. Incarceration ooh, quote old feelings blossomed, Again warren.

2253
02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:03.039
Says the couple had and the married couple of the

2254
02:04:03.079 --> 02:04:06.560
couple married and had a. Daughter. Sorry in twenty, Eleven

2255
02:04:06.640 --> 02:04:10.600
smokes And jenkins also married while he was still incarcerated

2256
02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:15.119
At Fishkill. Correctional he was released the same. Year williams

2257
02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:18.520
died unexpectedly of an aneurysm in twenty, twenty four years

2258
02:04:18.560 --> 02:04:23.439
Before warren's, sentence was. Vacated, quote my wife never got

2259
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:26.199
to see. It that weighs on. Me he, says she

2260
02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:30.439
was part of this. Struggle this is this is the.

2261
02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:32.520
WORST i, Mean i'm the only THING i can say

2262
02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:37.760
is this is. Why, again not a popular, opinion But

2263
02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:40.640
i'm vehemently against the death. Penalty not a popular opim

2264
02:04:40.680 --> 02:04:43.159
with a lot of, people because at least you can

2265
02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:47.520
do something to write. It, yeah you still took away

2266
02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.439
a gigantic chunk of their, lives and that is. Awful

2267
02:04:51.039 --> 02:04:53.359
but at least you could do. Something you can let

2268
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.159
them be. Free. Now, yeah you could, pay you could pay,

2269
02:04:56.199 --> 02:05:01.479
restitutions you could do. Stuff but you, know if they

2270
02:05:01.479 --> 02:05:06.800
had been, executed this would just be. Trivia, yeah it

2271
02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:11.800
wouldn't be a human interest. Story and that makes me. Sad,

2272
02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:15.960
yeah what do you, Think? Chelle why don't you run

2273
02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:18.439
down your favorite problems with the criminal justice?

2274
02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:25.119
SYSTEM i mean this is one of. Them definitely. Articles,

2275
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:26.520
YEAH i don't like.

2276
02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:32.079
Them you're, LIKE i don't have a problem with what.

2277
02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:34.199
HAPPENED i have a problem with it being reported.

2278
02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:37.720
On, yeah it's, like come, ON i don't want to

2279
02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:40.840
know about this. Stuff just let it go. On it's.

2280
02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:45.520
Fine, yeah it's, fine it's, fine everybody needs to. Relax.

2281
02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:53.520
Okay by the time of their, Exoneration walker had, died

2282
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:57.119
but his letter was submitted into, evidence and several eyewitnesses

2283
02:05:57.119 --> 02:05:59.720
who had been teenagers at the time took the stand

2284
02:05:59.760 --> 02:06:03.600
and canted their prior. Testimony, wow so this just goes

2285
02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:06.119
to tell to show you that every children. Lie don't

2286
02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:10.720
believe them? Ever, yeah, yeah one said he testified in

2287
02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:14.239
the face of police pressure around his own. Case another blamed,

2288
02:06:14.359 --> 02:06:18.039
youthful naivete and a teen rivalry with smoke stemming from

2289
02:06:18.039 --> 02:06:22.520
a pellet gun. Incident prosecutors concluded that police pressured, witnesses and,

2290
02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:25.720
that along with the fact that NO dna evidence linked

2291
02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:31.079
smokes Or warrento the, crime Led Judge Stephen antignani to

2292
02:06:31.319 --> 02:06:35.039
vacate the convictions In january of twenty twenty. Four authorities

2293
02:06:35.039 --> 02:06:37.600
have not named any other suspects In cassie's.

2294
02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:42.399
Murder whoever it is they got away with, It.

2295
02:06:42.680 --> 02:06:44.680
Well a lot of people did back, then you. Know,

2296
02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:51.079
YEAH i mean the idea of like pushing people through

2297
02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:54.479
the justice system as quickly as possible is a real. Problem. Yeah,

2298
02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:57.279
YEAH i do believe that we have the best justice

2299
02:06:57.279 --> 02:07:01.960
system in the. World but that the and that justice

2300
02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:08.279
systems are hard and stopping, crime solving crime is very very. Hard,

2301
02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:14.000
yeah AND i believe there's an immense amount of progress

2302
02:07:14.079 --> 02:07:18.319
to be, made, Definitely and that's something that always drives me.

2303
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:21.000
Crazy some people don't seem to understand. That i'm, Like i'm,

2304
02:07:21.000 --> 02:07:25.119
Like i'm always saying you can admit that something is

2305
02:07:25.279 --> 02:07:29.720
good and still say it's, flawed, sure because some people

2306
02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:31.479
will just be, like, oh this is just the you,

2307
02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:33.399
know the worst damn, country like when all this stuff,

2308
02:07:33.439 --> 02:07:36.399
happens and it's, like, dude there's a lot worse places

2309
02:07:37.439 --> 02:07:40.319
by a massive. Margin but, yeah we need to fix the,

2310
02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:42.760
problems like we got to keep you. Can't we can't

2311
02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:46.720
rest in our laurels at. All that that is SOMETHING

2312
02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:52.880
i stand by very very. Much so all, Right jenkins

2313
02:07:52.920 --> 02:07:57.760
died of a varying cancer That. August the men settled

2314
02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:00.279
With New York city and received a payment in Or

2315
02:08:00.399 --> 02:08:03.119
june of this. Year warren, Says, okay, good so they got.

2316
02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:05.039
Restitution that was WHAT i was about to, say is

2317
02:08:05.479 --> 02:08:08.880
once it got fully, overturned they should receive. Restitution.

2318
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:09.960
Yeah, Absolutely.

2319
02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:14.800
Yeah their, Attorney James, henning citing his client's, privacy would

2320
02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.840
not disclose the figure To Ane Crime Plus, investigation but

2321
02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:21.119
acknowledged they negotiated from a strong position and that the

2322
02:08:21.159 --> 02:08:25.199
pair would not have to work good still as long

2323
02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:26.520
as they moved out Of New york so they could

2324
02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:30.439
afford to live. Exactly, Hey i'm sure they already left.

2325
02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:34.359
Still when talking about the, money both men strike a somber.

2326
02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:37.800
Tone let's be. REALISTIC i have a lot more time

2327
02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:40.680
behind me than in front of, Me warren, says it's

2328
02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:44.439
about securing a better future for my daughter at this. Point,

2329
02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:47.760
YEAH i think that's a, fair fair. Statement smokes calls

2330
02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:51.840
the settlement bittersweet. Quote we didn't really do nothing to,

2331
02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:55.199
celebrate he. Says neither one of us indulges in drinking

2332
02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.640
or smoking or anything like. That it would have been

2333
02:08:57.640 --> 02:09:00.560
more pleasing to share it with the people we. Hold

2334
02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.479
since the, settlement both men have moved out Of New

2335
02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:08.960
York city to different locations they speak every. Day, Wow

2336
02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.600
so there you. Go we'll end the year with a sombering.

2337
02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:16.840
STORY i just it's hard to find truly interesting and

2338
02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.520
captivating stories that like, fit especially around the holidays and

2339
02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:23.399
stuff like. This AND i thought this was truly fascinating

2340
02:09:23.439 --> 02:09:27.600
and it Involved New year's although. Loosely, yeah but, Noah

2341
02:09:27.960 --> 02:09:30.880
i'm just glad that any restitution could be. Made me.

2342
02:09:31.000 --> 02:09:34.079
Too you, know my biggest fear is harming people like,

2343
02:09:34.159 --> 02:09:36.600
this the system harming people like, this and then just

2344
02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:41.399
it's shrug. Emoji it's just, well that's what. Happens that's

2345
02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:41.640
WHAT i.

2346
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:44.399
MEAN i, mean it doesn't fix what.

2347
02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:47.760
Happens, NO i, mean nothing could be. Fixed but but,

2348
02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:51.319
yeah if they had been, executed like what do you

2349
02:09:51.399 --> 02:09:55.119
do send their FRIGGIN' i, mean these two were, children,

2350
02:09:55.600 --> 02:09:58.760
yeah nineteen and sixteen years. Old one of them was

2351
02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:02.680
barely an. Adult it's not like they have like what

2352
02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:04.720
are you going to do send restitution to their you,

2353
02:10:04.720 --> 02:10:07.640
know elderly parents if they're still, alive if you if

2354
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:10.079
you'd executed them and then exonerated them all this, time

2355
02:10:10.119 --> 02:10:12.239
and the only reason they got exonerated was because they

2356
02:10:12.239 --> 02:10:17.920
had people to including, themselves to advocate for. Them so

2357
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:21.840
that's my point is like it's important that they're that

2358
02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:26.279
you know that these mistakes can be. Stopped, yeah you,

2359
02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:28.479
know even if you can't undo what has been, done

2360
02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:32.520
you can stop AND i think that's really. Important so

2361
02:10:32.720 --> 02:10:34.760
with that all being, said we're going to take a

2362
02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:37.960
break and wrap, up And i'm gonna demand shall not be.

2363
02:10:38.039 --> 02:10:54.279
Depressing right after, this we're back wrapping up the final

2364
02:10:54.399 --> 02:10:59.159
monthly spooky of twenty twenty, five AND i have to, Ask,

2365
02:10:59.279 --> 02:11:03.600
cell do you have any what are your thoughts on

2366
02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:04.920
twenty twenty? Five wrapping?

2367
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:06.520
Up, yay it's?

2368
02:11:06.520 --> 02:11:09.079
Over is that your thought on every? Year?

2369
02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.840
THOUGH i don't. KNOW i don't like this. One. No

2370
02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.079
Usually i'm just kind of, like, eh that's.

2371
02:11:14.119 --> 02:11:16.840
Whatever but you're excited for this one to wrap? Up?

2372
02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:18.680
Yeah no? More no more twenty twenty.

2373
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:20.760
FIVE i, mean you had some good stuff, happen but

2374
02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:26.000
the medical stuff was pretty, stressful like super. Stressful. YEAH

2375
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:30.560
i think there's always a. Good there's good and there's bad. Whatever, okay,

2376
02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:34.319
fine In chell's, world everything was. Bad. Yeah anyone who

2377
02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:37.640
disagrees as a. Problem, yeah and she'll gas lamp you

2378
02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:44.319
until you give. Up. Yeah, WELL I i'm so. Sorry

2379
02:11:44.399 --> 02:11:46.600
michelle just punched her cat as hard as she. Could

2380
02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:48.520
what did you do to that poor?

2381
02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:50.520
CAT i just hit her in the.

2382
02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:54.359
Face oh the part where there is a. Face, No

2383
02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.359
oh that's not, OKAY i.

2384
02:11:57.399 --> 02:11:59.760
KNOW i. Know just let's do it SO i can

2385
02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:00.239
come hurt.

2386
02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:05.159
Her that's how you wrap up the. Year just whack

2387
02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:08.079
your poor kitty. Cat well, GO i was just gonna,

2388
02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:10.239
say it's been a tough. Year there's been a lot

2389
02:12:10.279 --> 02:12:13.920
of struggle and stress and, strain but it's ending pretty.

2390
02:12:13.960 --> 02:12:20.039
Strong AND i appreciate, You michelle as you assault your poor, Cat.

2391
02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:22.039
Hi poor gigs and she won't come close.

2392
02:12:22.159 --> 02:12:25.880
Enough, yeah because you heard, her you hurt. Her. No

2393
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.560
but with all that, said let's wrap up twenty twenty.

2394
02:12:31.600 --> 02:12:34.640
FIVE i want to MENTION i did see a horror

2395
02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:39.840
film in the, theater which was the much Anticipated Five

2396
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:44.319
nights At Freddy's part. TWO i Liked Five nights At

2397
02:12:44.319 --> 02:12:48.800
freddy's pretty. Well it's very heavy on world building because

2398
02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:53.000
the video games are so intricate and massive and full of.

2399
02:12:53.079 --> 02:12:56.560
LORE i Thought part two was a better horror. Film

2400
02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:00.359
it had more like big jump scares and shocking, moments

2401
02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:04.399
SO i really enjoyed. It. Good you have not Seen

2402
02:13:04.439 --> 02:13:08.399
Five nights At, freddy's, Son, yeah this is why we

2403
02:13:08.439 --> 02:13:09.319
can't have nice. Things.

2404
02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:09.960
Yeah.

2405
02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:13.399
Yeah but the other THING i saw in the theater

2406
02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.640
that was really. Exciting it wasn't quite a horror, movie

2407
02:13:15.640 --> 02:13:18.720
but it's horror adjacent WAS i saw Kill bill the

2408
02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:21.239
whole bloody, affair the version of Kill bill where it's

2409
02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:24.560
one movie instead of two. Movies that was. Awesome that

2410
02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:27.960
was a really cool. Experience it had that extended anime. Sequence,

2411
02:13:29.039 --> 02:13:31.920
yeah it. Was it was almost three times as. Long.

2412
02:13:32.640 --> 02:13:33.079
Wow.

2413
02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:37.399
Yeah so one of the characters backstory was told as. Anime,

2414
02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:40.439
yeah and she Was.

2415
02:13:40.560 --> 02:13:45.039
JAPANESE i mean that makes sense if it. Wasn't she

2416
02:13:45.159 --> 02:13:47.000
Will japanese.

2417
02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:50.159
In her, defense her character is is Half japanese and

2418
02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:53.600
half and the other half Is american And. Chinese, Okay

2419
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.279
so her becoming a yakuza boss is like a big

2420
02:13:56.279 --> 02:13:58.239
deal because they consider her like a Half they call.

2421
02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:00.319
Her one guy calls her a half breed and his

2422
02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:03.199
head off and then says, like please feel free to

2423
02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:06.319
bring me any and all, criticisms thank, you and then

2424
02:14:06.359 --> 02:14:10.359
throws the head down on the. Table but more, so

2425
02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:13.600
it's because she was fighting the yakuza and then becomes

2426
02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:15.359
the leader of the yakuza THAT i think is why

2427
02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:18.680
she's why it was done in, anime not just because

2428
02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:21.680
she Was, japanese but because the whole story Was. Japanese

2429
02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:25.760
because she's In japan and her father was a military

2430
02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.760
man and he gets murdered by the yakuza for gambling or.

2431
02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:32.119
Something, yeah, yeah that's like it.

2432
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:35.520
Happens you, know that's just the way it. Goes so but,

2433
02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:37.279
no it was really cool to see And i'd just

2434
02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:42.079
forgotten so much how how integral to my childhood Kill

2435
02:14:42.119 --> 02:14:44.199
bill was because it was like the biggest movie. Ever

2436
02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:45.640
it was such a cool, movie and it came out

2437
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.920
like right WHEN i was freaking, Fifteen like it's perfect

2438
02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:50.720
timing for me to watch it a million. Times, yeah

2439
02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:52.439
so it was really cool to see it in the. Theater.

2440
02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:55.479
Cool so before we get out of, here do we

2441
02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:58.800
have any year end reddit spooky stuff to talk? About?

2442
02:15:00.119 --> 02:15:04.359
Yes so there. WAS i found that there's a subreddit

2443
02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:08.399
called like creepy ask reddit where they where they like

2444
02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.960
put the creepy things from Ask. Reddit they like put

2445
02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:15.479
them there SO i can find them. Maze so there

2446
02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:19.319
was one where let me figure out what the hell this.

2447
02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:24.720
Was it was like it was from what's the biggest

2448
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:28.119
mystery you were? In or someone in your life has

2449
02:15:28.159 --> 02:15:31.319
like yet to be salved or something like that that

2450
02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:37.800
made any word. Sense, so like this person when they

2451
02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:41.960
were a, kid they had gone on vacation with their.

2452
02:15:42.159 --> 02:15:47.159
Family i'm trying to get back to. You and and

2453
02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:52.039
they came. Home the door had been broken, open and

2454
02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:55.600
there was a pool of blood just on the top

2455
02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:58.079
of their landing of their, stairs just a pool of.

2456
02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:01.680
Blood and also there was like some kind of like

2457
02:16:02.079 --> 02:16:05.840
look like bloodish trailish up the, stairs like.

2458
02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:07.640
Bloodish.

2459
02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:11.520
Yeah and also their bathroom cabinet was just like sprayed with,

2460
02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:13.960
blood but nothing was stolen or.

2461
02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:15.000
Anything, okay well that's.

2462
02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:18.119
Nice and the cops originally thought that an animal had

2463
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:21.439
got like given birth or, something but then they found

2464
02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:24.279
out that the blood was human. Blood of, course and

2465
02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.000
the just the families always wondered what the hell, happened

2466
02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:29.119
and that's my.

2467
02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:33.159
Thing so they tested it and said it was human. Blood,

2468
02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:37.280
yeah that's surprises me because that would be expensive AND

2469
02:16:37.360 --> 02:16:39.440
i wouldn't imagine the police would do that if nobody was.

2470
02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:44.079
COMPLAINING i guess they were. COMPLAINING i, mean why is

2471
02:16:44.120 --> 02:16:45.079
their blood all over my? House?

2472
02:16:45.159 --> 02:16:48.440
Yeah somebody broke into their. House, yeah so they, WERE

2473
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:50.360
i guess trying to figure out what.

2474
02:16:50.639 --> 02:16:54.159
Happened that's so. Weird, YEAH i mean my only thought

2475
02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:56.799
would be like that it was something, innocuous like somebody

2476
02:16:56.879 --> 02:17:00.399
was injured and broke into their house to like wash

2477
02:17:00.479 --> 02:17:03.000
themselves or something and then just got out of. It

2478
02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:04.200
probably related.

2479
02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:06.760
To, Crime, YEAH i mean my, thought and a lot

2480
02:17:06.760 --> 02:17:09.479
of people thought like maybe someone came in to commit

2481
02:17:09.520 --> 02:17:11.440
a crime and then they had a medical event and

2482
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:13.799
they were just like so they like went to the,

2483
02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:16.280
bathroom like are there band? Aids is there? Anything and

2484
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:16.719
then they just.

2485
02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:19.600
Left, well like in the Movie The Nice, guys there's

2486
02:17:19.639 --> 02:17:21.479
a part where he busts he does the thing where

2487
02:17:21.479 --> 02:17:24.040
he puts the rag around his fist and busts the

2488
02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:25.959
glass so he can unlock the, door and he like

2489
02:17:26.040 --> 02:17:27.280
unlocks the door and has the door up as he

2490
02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:29.399
holds his hand up and he's completely sliced his wrist

2491
02:17:29.479 --> 02:17:31.840
up on the glass and he's, like, oh he's like

2492
02:17:31.879 --> 02:17:35.920
bleeding to death. Immediately or like that short FILM i

2493
02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:38.680
did where the guy is robbing the two people and

2494
02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:40.559
then he has a gallbladder attack in the middle of.

2495
02:17:40.600 --> 02:17:45.440
It that would. Suck, yeah WHENEVER i have a health,

2496
02:17:45.479 --> 02:17:47.840
Emergency i'm, like imagine IF i were doing something really

2497
02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:49.000
intense and illegal right?

2498
02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:51.159
Now, yeah, yeah then what are you gonna?

2499
02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:56.399
Do and Then i'm, like but why? Imagine, yeah so

2500
02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.920
so all, right before we get out of, Here, chell

2501
02:18:00.319 --> 02:18:04.479
any New year's? Resolutions, No. No on the EMAIL i

2502
02:18:04.559 --> 02:18:06.680
sent you about today's, SHOW i said you had to

2503
02:18:06.719 --> 02:18:07.399
have a New year's.

2504
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.200
Resolution i'm pretty SURE i didn't open that email on

2505
02:18:11.280 --> 02:18:13.200
purpose so THAT i wouldn't know about the.

2506
02:18:13.280 --> 02:18:16.479
Head, well, then can your new year's resolution be to

2507
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.159
open emails more or? Less whichever one you?

2508
02:18:20.200 --> 02:18:23.440
Prefer we can do? More, SURE i, mean that's basically

2509
02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:26.959
impossible except for your, emails but THAT'S i. Guess.

2510
02:18:27.079 --> 02:18:30.120
Yeah, well my new year's resolution is to become a

2511
02:18:30.360 --> 02:18:35.440
moderately decent. Beatboxer. AWESOME i WISH i was. Kidding i'm

2512
02:18:35.440 --> 02:18:35.760
not even.

2513
02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.239
JOKING i think that that's a good.

2514
02:18:38.280 --> 02:18:42.920
GOAL i was using my record, player AND i have

2515
02:18:43.079 --> 02:18:46.360
so many random vinyls that people have given me or

2516
02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:47.760
THAT i found it like a thrift store and just

2517
02:18:47.799 --> 02:18:49.600
took and then FORGOT i had it BECAUSE i didn't

2518
02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:52.319
have a. PLAYER i had A Fat boys record THAT

2519
02:18:52.360 --> 02:18:54.079
i didn't even KNOW i, had AND i played. IT

2520
02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:56.120
i was listening to the guy doing the, beatboxing AND

2521
02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:58.920
i was, LIKE i BET i could go on YouTube

2522
02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:01.879
and learn all the really heavy. Techniques, yeah it'd be,

2523
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:03.760
Great but, like there's some of the tricks that you,

2524
02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:05.239
would like tapping their neck and. STUFF i was, LIKE

2525
02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:06.440
i BET i could learn all of.

2526
02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:11.600
That, YEAH i think, So.

2527
02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:12.920
So don't worry that will not be coming To Weekly.

2528
02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:19.719
Spooky before we get out of, HERE i just want

2529
02:19:19.719 --> 02:19:22.319
to say a heartfelt thank you to everybody who has

2530
02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:26.079
enjoyed the programming over the this, year and especially over

2531
02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:29.559
the last three. Months it's been. Insane i've never produced

2532
02:19:29.879 --> 02:19:31.760
so much content in my. Life i've never been so

2533
02:19:31.840 --> 02:19:33.920
tired in my, life But i've never been so fulfilled

2534
02:19:34.600 --> 02:19:36.920
in my. Life so thank you all so much from

2535
02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:38.959
the bottom of my, heart and thank You chell for

2536
02:19:39.719 --> 02:19:42.959
taking this ride with me every. Month with a plumb,

2537
02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:49.479
yeah you ruined. It, sorry, WELL i was going to

2538
02:19:49.559 --> 02:19:51.840
give you the final word for twenty twenty, five but

2539
02:19:51.879 --> 02:19:53.559
THEN i wasn't because it was going to be. Nice

2540
02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:56.120
so now you ruined, it so you have the final. Word.

2541
02:19:56.200 --> 02:19:57.040
Shell oh.

2542
02:19:57.120 --> 02:20:01.920
Man, YEAH i gotta go take care of my cat

2543
02:20:01.959 --> 02:20:03.159
BECAUSE i flicked her in the.

2544
02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:03.479
Face