Do You Even Movie? | Dead of Winter (1987) Mary Steenburgen, Roddy McDowall

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Hm. She should have known not
to talk to strangers, not to get

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in their cars, not to sleep
in their beds, especially in the dead

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of winter. A winter greater are
Stark's Friday at a select theater and hear

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you in a world where podcasts reign
supreme, Two friends dare to ask Do

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You Even? Movie? Hosted by
filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.

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Spoiler alert, Hey friends, Romans, countrymen, welcome to another episode

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of Do You Even? Movie?
I'm your host Enrique Kuto here with my

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friend. Let's get some good air
quotes in there. There we go.

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David Denoyer, Greetings, and tonight
we have one of the greatest films Hitchcock

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did not make. This is true, This is very true. We are

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talking about a film I have always
felt was underappreciated. Yeah, a little

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movie called Dead of Winter from nineteen
eighty seven, That is correct. And

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how did you come to know this
film too? So Dead of Winter was

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a discovery for me when I was
at my first apartment, so we're probably

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talking about twenty fourteen, and I
had an antenna, so I would get

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the channels that some of which you
turned me on. To yeah, because

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I'm smart. Yes, yeah,
so I think this was on this If

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I'm not mistaken, it wasn't on
that. It wasn't on that, David,

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This was on this the channel and
the opening of this completely grabbed me.

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First off, then seeing Rodny McDowell's
name pop up, and then just

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overall what happens in that first opening
like five minutes, I was like,

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I'm gonna check this out, and
then I ended up watching you check this

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out? Or was it you're gonna
check that out? Damn? And then

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I ended up watching the whole thing
commercial breaks and all from start to finish.

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Well, you didn't do what most
people do and just like hit yourself

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with a hammer during the commercial breaks. I won't be remembering pretty sure.

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I'm pretty sure I made grilled cheese. Actually it's coming back to me now.

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No, No, like I totally
made grilled cheese because I could see

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my TV from my kitchen back then. And also it was I think it

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was during like a little bit of
a snowstorm outside, so like it added

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that element to it. And now
I think you're just remembering things the way

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you want to remember them. By
Okay, a snowstorm okay, just how

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I like things Snowstorm two bits.
No, I mean it sounds lovely.

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It was a lazy sunday. It
was just I would I would just put

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the TV a lazy Sunday in the
middle of the night. I didn't say

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the middle of the night. Oh
wait, you didn't say in the middle.

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I thought you said the middle night. Okay, that's my projection of

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what would be perfect. This was
like noon on a Sunday or oh wow,

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okay, that's quite a Sunday afternoon. Yeah, okay, hell yeah,

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man, okay, I assumed it
was at night for some reason.

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How did you discover Dead of Winter? Enrique? I don't feel that I

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have to answer that, and my
council has instructed me to simply say,

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I can get a warrant. Uh
hell now uh So. I saw this

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film in my ongoing hunt for the
best wintry movies, and that's something that

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I have been looking into for forever, ever since I've known you. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm a big fan of
snow movies, which we should probably

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mention. This is the first of
several wintry films will be covering here on

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do You even movie? So I
found this film by literally searching best movie

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in snow, and I found all
kinds of stuff that I'd already seen.

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Yeah, because there's so many movies
that are great and set in the snow.

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Yeah, tons of Christmas E movies, things like that. Well,

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this one came up and I had
never even heard of it, never even

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heard of it. Really, you're
gonna drink carbonated beverage on the show.

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I didn't last time. Oh boy. I hope the audience here. I

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hope you like Belches. I hope
it's your favorite thing. I don't know

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if I was ever aware of this
one. I think the title like i'd

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heard the title, but I didn't
know anything about it. If anything,

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I may have known Rodny mcdowe because
there was a period where I went through

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a lot of his movies. Well, so this was during Lockdown. Yeah,

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I was really hunting because we had
a particularly cold January we did.

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It was very, very brutal in
twenty twenty one. So I was like,

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I want my snow movies because it's
snowing like crazy, it's cold outside.

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I'm ordering door Dash and just sitting
here and staring at the snow out

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the window and then staring at the
snow on my movie screen. That was

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literally how it went down. So
I found this one and a few others,

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and unlike a lot of the others, at the time, I had

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to rent this one. Yeah,
I had to pay cash money up front.

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It wasn't one of those free to
stream even if you're already paying for

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it things, which has always been
a pet peeve of mine when people say

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it's free on the service I pay
for. It's not free. You're paying

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for it Pal. And for the
record, this is easily available right now.

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Yeah, it's very readily available.
A quick searcher, rooney and you

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will find plenty of ways to watch. But at the time I could only

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rent it. Not only could you
only rent it, but it was only

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available on like a very I don't
want to say, like massively obscure streaming

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option. But it wasn't like one
of the main ones that we all go

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to. It was. It was
definitely one of the less common one I've

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had that happen a lot in the
last couple of years, especially like some

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of those like ninety direct to video
ones that you and I've hunted down.

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It's like I can either get a
physical copy or I can watch it here

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for free with ads that It's just
that's kind of weird to me. Well,

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this wasn't free with that. I
mean, well, I don't know

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why I'm dancing around. It was
Apple. Yeah, I just don't rent

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it was I just don't rent a
lot on Apple. So so yeah,

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it just kind of I was.
I was so curious because the few reviews

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I found about it were extremely positive. They were raving, and the Wikipedia

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was really interesting and I tried to
you know, you did the thing where

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you scroll past the breakdown really fast
and try to avoid it. So I

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was like, hey, the final
sales point was Arthur Penn. Arthur Penn

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legendary director and I believe father of
Sean Penn and Chris Penn. Believe that

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it is correct. Actually so incredible
director and of course I know him most

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of all from Bonnie and Clyde.
You really don't know, Yes, he

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directed Penn and Teller Get Killed.
Talk about another movie, Hard to Find

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and the watch, which you still
a VHS of, by the way,

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I do, I mean, I, oh no, I remember getting that

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for my birthday one year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So anyway,

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Penn and Teller Get Killed, which
by the way, one of the greatest

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taglines of all time. It just
says Penn and Teller get killed, and

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it's Penn and Teller on it like
this, and then the tagline just says,

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what more do you want? Great
tagline, But anyway, talk about

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they shouldn't call it Penn and Teller
get killed. They should call it like

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jokes you don't get the movie,
because that's what it is. It's like

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a movie full of jokes that most
people don't get, you know, just

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like it's like it's like Elbow Bump, the movie that only feature film that

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they had with their names in it. Oh god, yeah, I mean

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they did TV specials and things like
that, but never another movie. But

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so with Arthur Penn's pedigree being as
it is, that was the final straw.

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So I'm sitting up one night,
I want to say, I had

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just finished watching White Out, Okay, that's the the movie and alastk okate

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Beck until Antarcticle. I had just
finished watching that, and that was on

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some service I already paid for.
So then I was like, you know

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what, I'm dropping my hard earned
money. I'm renting Dead of Night Winter

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and Dead of Winter. Gosh.
Dead of Night's great tip. Well,

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there's a lot of debt of nnts
out there. Thank you for the correction.

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I'm watching Dead of Winter and I
put it on. I had a

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blast with it. Yeah, I
remember, because about not even six or

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seven minutes in, I paused it
and went and made popcorn because I was

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like, ah, man, like
I'm in for a thrill, like a

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just solid, solid thriller, and
nothing makes me happier than just, you

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know, a really simple yet complicated
thriller. And I feel like that is

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what you get with Dead of Winter. No, I absolutely agree. I

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think what really works me with Dead
of Winter is I'm such a soucker for

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single location like isolation. I thought
that's all you were gonna say. I

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was gonna be great, just sucker
correct, single location isolation. That shit

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really gets me. We've had this
conversation before because like, that's one of

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the things that I because at that
time I isolated you and kept you in

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one location. Clearally, yes,
that's one of the things I love about

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midnight masses, like like a seaside
town, just like an isolated from everybody.

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But then you add snow into that, and then you add it being

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in a rich estate, like,
oh, so now it's just Storm of

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the Century. Yeah, just Storm
the Century. You ever go another good

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one? Though? No? No, but I mean like you were like,

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it's like it's like midnight Mass,
but it's on an island with snow.

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So Storm of the Century. Yeah
that's fair, that's no. But

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it's the Storm of Century. Is
great. You gotta remember I'm the guy

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who not only do I vacation in
northern Michigan in the winter, yeah,

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which everybody else thinks I'm crazy.
I don't have you been to northern Well,

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you have because you have some family
up there. But it's snowy.

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Oh it's very snowy. But it's
again, it's I just I just love

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being not bothered and being to watch
movies in a snowy cabin. That's kind

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of nice. I got a snowy
cabin and I had during the day I

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had to write, and at night
I could do whatever I wanted. And

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there was no internet, so I
brought stacks of DVDs. You did,

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and at least half of them were
snow movies. And I actually had never

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seen Storm of the Century from start
to finish. Wow, But I had

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a DVD set up. Yeah,
so I watched the whole thing and and

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we're talking for people who you know, like Michigan, we're talking I'm staying

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here, like tip of the Mitten
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so not the Upper Peninsula. And
literally they would be like, it may

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snow Thursday, and then you wake
up Monday and you're like, get snowing,

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and then you go bout your stuff, and then you wake up Tuesday

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or like, it's snowing, and
then you wake up Wednesday you're like,

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hey, it's kind of snowing.
And then you wake up Thursday You're like,

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wow, it's snowing, like it
always snow. It was so weird,

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yeah and fun. So I'm going
back this January. I'm gonna do

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a little five day sabbatical out there, but I'll be well. The new

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place I stay at very bizarre side
note, ooh it's more rustic. It's

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a literal log cabin. Oh,
but it has high speed internet. I

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like tested it while I was there, and it was half as fast as

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my home internet, and my home
internet's crazy fast it is. So I

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was doing like podcast bonus episodes and
watching like all of my streaming shows that

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I was behind on the entire time
I was there. So I liked the

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one place because it was isolated,
but it was just a house in a

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rural community. This place was like
that's the other great thing about staying in

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Michigan, Northern Michigan. Yeah,
throughout the winter months, if you want

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a vacation there, the whole state's
on sale. Damn. I mean basically

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because like where I was staying with
my cabin, it was under fifty dollars

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a night. That's awesome. And
only two cabins could be open because the

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others are too big to heat.
So I'm in this cab and the guy's

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thrilled to see me because he's like, oh, thank goodness, you know,

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thanks for renting it, because nobody
wants it. The town that they're

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in, the traffic lights were shut
off. My gosh, they just weren't

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on anymore. There was one corner
store and when I went in there,

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I was like, Hey, I'm
looking for milk, and he went,

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uh, You're gonna have to go
somewhere else. Didn't they have like liquor

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and like cam goods or something.
Hell yeah they did. And they had

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signs as they recommended together. Yeah, bottle of vodka, cannaban, your

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set. We call it a Russian
holiday. But no, so anyway,

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I digress on that. But so
Dead of Winter Numero Uno gives that winter

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vibe massively, I mean in spade. And the reason I love winter,

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for the record is snow is beautiful. Yes, snow is you know,

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fasting to watch it sets a scene. It makes you immediately imagine a time

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of year. But you'll look at
snow and be like, oh, it's

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so pretty. But if there's a
lot, you go, oh crap,

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like I can't get out of here. No, I mean, let's not

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forget the time that you literally called
me and were like, hey, you're

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getting ready to get a big snowstorm
here. I am too. Why don't

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you come down here, get snowed
in with me for the weekend and we'll

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just hang out and watch movies all
weekend. That was dope. That was

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a genius. So this is this
was back when you know you you were

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living alone, you had you,
you worked, you didn't work the weekends.

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Really, yeah, and at least
not in the winter. And yeah,

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literally there was a severe snow warning
yep, starting Friday night at eight

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PM. So you drove your butt
down to where I am. Snowstorre was

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starting at seven and we were sliding. We're sliding around the road yep,

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to get a pizza. Get a
pizza, get some snack. And also

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then we had to dig out my
car. No, we had gout Rachel's

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car the next day. Yes we
did, I remember that now, yeah.

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No, And but we were all
just like hauled up in my house

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and I cooked yep. And we
we must have. We must have taken

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in like eight or nine movies.
I watched a lot of it. I

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know we watched Braven, the one
with Jason Momoa, and I think that

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was the night you showed me Session
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can't believe you'd never seen that.
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and freaking love that movie. That
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So Session nine is fantastic. That
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time when I first moved to New
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I didn't even have a television.
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in Peace and Butler or a.
Where was that was that? I know

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nobody and nobody cares if it was
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care Bloomingdale. It was in Bloomingdale, New Jersey. Rest in Peace,

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video vowels. Do You Even?
Movie? Will be right back, Welcome

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back to Do You Even? Movie? Tell us a little more about Dead

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of Winter Doll. All right,
So I'm gonna change things up this week.

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Let's go ahead and start with the
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who's behind this? So the Screen
Factory No David Too Late Scream Factory Blue

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Ray synopsis reads as when struggling actress
Katie is offered the opportunity to replace an

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actress who has suffered an emotional breakdown
during a film shoot, she jumps at

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the chance for a roll of a
lifetime. Arriving at the filming location in

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isolated mansion in upstate New York and
getting to know her two mysterious benefactors,

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doctor Lewis and mister Murray, she
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but she can't quite put her finger
on it. As she As the

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pieces fall into place and the weather
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becomes a fight for survival and this
twisty thriller from the director of Bonnie and

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Clyde. I think that's a pretty
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it's meant to fill the back of
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so no. I think that's a
pretty good one. My synopsis. An

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actress ventures to an isolated mansion to
land the role of a lifetime but comes

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to find out the fame may just
cost her her life. That wasn't that

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good? Shut up all right?
So the director is Arthur Penn. As

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Enrique mentioned previously, this man is
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directing in nineteen fifty two with the
Golf Playhouse Goodyear Playhouse in nineteen fifty five,

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Mickey one and sixty five, Penn
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He was full on director, of
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nineteen sixty seven, Alice's Restaurant in
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that one. I just revisited the
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long ago. It was Thanksgiving,
and I was really enjoying it. A

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little Big Man in nineteen seventy Night
Moves one of Gene Hackman's best thrillers in

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nineteen seventy five. Oh, that's
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Target nineteen eighty five, The Portrait
of nineteen ninety three in a film

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called Inside in nineteen ninety six.
Our writer on this one, we technically

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have three writers on Dead Winter,
starting with Anthony gill was technically have three

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writers. Technically I suspect something went
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we. So our first writer is
Anthony Gilbert, who was actually a pseudonym

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for Lucy Beatrix Mousen. She was
a mystery writer who wrote under that name

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of Anthony Gilbert, like over sixty
detective novels, using a guy that was

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by the name of I believe what
was his detective name? It was Arthur

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Crook. So Arthur over fifty detective
novels. Yeah, So was this based

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on a novel that they wrote?
So that was so. This was originally

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based on a novel entitled The Woman
in Red and that was made into a

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movie in nineteen forty five called My
Name Is Julia Ross. Now the synopsis

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for My Name is Julia Ross.
I do have pulled up here? And

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the idea is based on IUL sit
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says during the nineteen forty twenty three
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living in a cheap boarding house.
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Yes, sorry, well we've all
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she is also recovering from being spurred
by her lover. Desperate, she accepts

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an unpromising job as a secretary to
an odd, red clad lady. She

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meets in a gloomy house in Mayfair, attended by sinister servants and asked as

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a condition of the job that she
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she has not. In fact,
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befriended by a young man Colin,
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although he has told her of her
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is once she gets into the house, they tell her that like, she

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wakes up the next day in a
different house and now she's also married to

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that guy that she just met the
day before. So it's more about that

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psychological aspect of like the serious gas
lighting. Yeah, okay, because I

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feel like they only touched on that
in Dead of Winter. They called Dead

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of Winter a loose adaptation of the
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Ross, and then the movie of
the same of My Name is Julie Ross

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in nineteen forty five. It is
essentially the same thing where a woman goes

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to get a job, she wakes
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house and people are like, you're
this woman now, and that the whole

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psychological thing starts over again. So
that movie came out in forty five,

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and the Dead of Winter was adapted
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I actually did not know, because
I did do a little dive into this

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when I first watched it. Yeah, I know that it had a very

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troubled early production, Yeah it did. So. Anthony Gilbert, going back

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to Lucy Beatrix mousein Real Quick,
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and so Anthony Gilbert is a name, but the actual name attached to

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it of Lucy is not one of
the people. Know. Our second writer

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on this is Mark Malone, who
did Signs of Life in nineteen eighty nine,

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Bulletproof Heart in ninety four Hoods in
ninety eight, Dead Heat, No,

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not that Dead Heat in two thousand
and two, also currently or was

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writing back in twenty fifteen on the
Last Ship. And then the last writer

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we have credited is Mark Schmueger,
who was the producer of of Dead of

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Winter in eighty seven as well.
He also went on to produce Spectacular Now

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in twenty thirteen, was a part
of Lucy in twenty fourteen, Zero Days,

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and even The Circle in twenty seventeen. Mark Schmugger was originally also the

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director attached before Penn, but unfortunately
what happened was he was on set for

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about a day or two and he
was a classmate and friend of Arthur's son,

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Matthew Penn. He began to direct, but soon after ran into get

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difficulties. Producer of the film,
John Bloomgarden took over as an interim is

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the interim director, and then Penn
reluctantly agreed a couple days later to come

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back on. Yeah. From what
I understood, he basically put he basically

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put his reputation out there to get
this job going. Yeah, So when

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it was all falling apart, he
just had it was like I put on

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his pants and showed up. That's
that's how I am when I'm forced to

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direct, I just put on my
pants and I show up, and I'm

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just like, ah fine. And
our last name that I'll bring to the

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table is the cematographer Jan Wyke.
They did additional camera on Six Kids in

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a Honeymoon in nineteen sixty seven.
They went on to do photography stills for

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Le Miz a rob in nineteen ninety
eight. Full cinematographer career didn't start in

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seventy seven, though, with a
film called Clark. They did a Dance

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a Bourbonville in nineteen seventy nine,
Tree of Knowledge in eighty one, Weeds,

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a Nicknolty film, in eighty seven, Hello Again in eighty seven,

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Penin Teller Get Killed, Okay,
a friend of Penn at that point,

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Arthur Penn, Yeah, Black Harvest
in ninety three, Inside, the other

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Arthur Penn movie in ninety six,
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From what I could tell, they
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was what their resume consisted of,
So only productions with good pastor good pastry

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on coffee. It's the true.
So now that we've done our cast or

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now we've done our crews going to
our cast. We have three big players

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in this one, starting with Mary
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it's really kind of five. Yeah, it is kind of five.

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Yeah, you're not wrong, because
we need to say something. Yeah,

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real quick, Okay, watch out, guys, it's a hot take.

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Mary Steamburgin plays three three them,
three characters. Yes, and my god,

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is she good. She's fantastic.
She is so good. She's literally

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you know, I mean, we
all we start the show with a spoiler

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but spoiler alert, but she's literally
playing three different women that the one thing

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they have in common is they all
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and they make her. It's a
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unrelenting ability that makes me believe she's
three different people. Absolutely, and I

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just can't over sell Mary Steinbergon.
I do not know that this film would

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work without her level of ability.
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curious. Also to check out my
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if they even play on the fact
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of somebody else. And I doubt
they do. Honestly, I couldn't tell

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you so curious Steinbergen one hundred and
seventeen credits on IMDb, by the way,

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starting with Going South in nineteen seven
eight, the Jack Nicholson film,

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one of my personal favorites that I
just recently discovered. Oh god, it's

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been probably about two three years ago. Time after Time, with Malcolm McDowell

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and David Warner. McDowell plays HG. Wells going after Jack the Ripper.

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God, dude, it's insane.
Ragtime in nineteen eighty one, Midsummer Night

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Sex Comedy in eighty two. I
love Midsummer Night Sex con I know you

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do. One Magic Christmas in nineteen
eighty five, a feel good movie.

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I recommend we watch the soon as
we're done here today. Parenthood in nineteen

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eighty nine. Back then for those
who don't know, God, you're going

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to talk about it. One Magic
Christmas, that's the film to watch if

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you want to enjoy yourself this holiday
season. Jesus, Beautiful Family, All

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Dead Disney. You should mention it's
also a Disney. Nobody's Disney. Are

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you kidding me? Wow? I
oh oh, I was about to say

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Disney is about as good at killing
parents as And then I realized any joke

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I could think of is too spicy. Let's move on. Moving on,

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Parenthood nineteen eighty nine, Back to
the Future, Part three in nineteen ninety

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What's Edie? Gilbert Grape in ninety
three, Philadelphia ninety three, Nixon in

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ninety five, I Am Sam two
thousand and one, Elf two thousand and

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three, The Brave One two thousand
and seven, Step Brothers two thousand and

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eight, The Proposal two thousand and
nine, The Help twenty eleven, Walk

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in the Woods twenty fifteen, Justified
twenty fifteen, Orange of the New Black

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twenty fifteen, book Club She was
on Oranges The New Black book Club twenty

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eighteen, and book Club two The
Next Chapter in twenty twenty three. Steinbergen,

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I mean, well, we will
get into it is we get in

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the movie, of course, But
yeah, she she definitely one hundred percent

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makes this movie. Yeah. No, I that was the thing I came

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out with the most when I finished
watching it for the first time, was

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I could not believe her performance was
so good. It was so stunningly good.

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So she plays Julia Rose, Katie
McGovern and Evelyn in this Moving down

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the list, we have mister Roddy
McDowell who plays mister Murray two hundred and

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sixty nine. It's an IMDb bybe
by the way nice. Yeah, started

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with I See Ice in nineteen thirty
eight. He also did Dead Man Shoes

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in nineteen forty, The Pied Piper
in forty two, Killer Shark nineteen fifty,

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appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show in
fifty five, Good Year Playhouse in

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nineteen fifty six, which is probably
where he met Arthur Penn hm hm.

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Or it could be that he was
like really famous, they do this well?

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he was heading into the twilight of

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his career after having an immense amount
of success from Planet of the Apes.

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in all of the original Planet of the

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Apes because they always shelled out the
cash for Roddy McDowell to return, and

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then of course Fright Night came along
and kind of gave him a little resurgence,

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But he was always into working and
giving Steamburgin a lot of credit.

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Roddy McDowell's performance is excellent, butch
you would you would expect nothing less from

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them. Unlike somebody like Mary Stembergin. Roddy McDowell being a character actor of

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a certain age. I don't think
you've ever seen him and not known he

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was good. What I mean by
that is like Mary Steamberge and some of

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the films she's done, not her
fault. Her characters, especially when she

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was younger, were just lighthearted,
fun, goofy roles, so you might

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not know that she could blow your
mind. Pretending to be three different people.

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because there are points of the film
where she's acting like she's pretending to

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be somebody else. Also true,
she's acting like she's an actress, acting

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like somebody else. It's so good. But my point is Roddy McDowell.

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He plays this role which is basically
like a henchman, but he's a mentally

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distraught, sad, depressed, miserable
henchman who is being controlled by his therapist.

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he does terrible things in the movie,

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and he has such empathy, like
I feel so bad for him.

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way he delivers certain scenes, it's just

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you can't help but feel bad for
him. But at the same time,

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when you see the acts that he's
doing and the aftermath and everything, it's

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just like, Ah, I have
such mixed feelings about you right now.

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I think he's a good guy.
I like him. I mean the you

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know, hey, he's dedicated,
all right. Every time I tell you

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to drug people, You're just like, no, it's probably illegal. I

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can't stand you. Oh God.
So our other third player in this is

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Jan Rubes. He plays doctor Joseph
Lewis one hundred and six cards for This

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Gentleman, starting with Forbidden Journey in
nineteen fifty. He did Lastie in seventy

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two, The Amateur in eighty one, one Magic Christmas in nineteen eighty five.

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also in Witness with Harrison Ford in
eighty five, Witness Amityville Curse in nineteen

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ninety That was him, Class Action
ninety one, Deceive ninety one, Maniac

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Mansion TV Show ninety three, Birds
two, lands End in ninety four,

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D two, Mighty Ducks two and
ninety four, Hour Cooking X Files ninety

404
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.400
six, er ninety seven, Hour
Limits ninety nine, Snowfalling on Cedars in

405
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.720
ninety nine, as well. One
of his last performances was Tilt in two

406
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.119
thousand and five. He unfortunately left
us in two thousand and nine, and

407
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.519
I believe Roddy left us. Oh
god, it was a little earlier.

408
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.240
How do you not know when Roddy
McDowell passed away? I don't know.

409
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.240
Yeah, nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, no, he passed well, I

410
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.079
guess he wasn't super young, but
I feel like it was too It was

411
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.279
too soon. Yeah, no,
he absolutely. I actually remember his passing

412
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.839
because my parents were watching Entertainment tonight
and they'd come on about it, and

413
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:41.519
I remember recognizing him from Overboard because
he plays the butler and Overboard That's how

414
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.720
I knew Roddy McDowell. What do
you want? I was six. I'm

415
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:52.319
not gonna keep going. Why are
you looking at me like that? How

416
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.599
long can you keep this up?
Oh? Well, now I'm gonna keeping

417
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.559
I was gonna stop. All right. Are you ready to get into this

418
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.720
amazing film? Sir ah? Sure? All right. So Dead of Winter

419
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.480
opens with a beautiful wide shot of
a parking lot. A snow is falling

420
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.960
down and it's New Year's Eve or
an empty lot, and we see a

421
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.480
woman leave her car. She goes
inside. Is it a train station or

422
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.119
a bus depot? It looked to
me like a bus station, like a

423
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.759
bus station. Yeah. So she
goes inside the bus station. There's a

424
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.640
couple kids and a mother in there
that have New Year's garbond, and she

425
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.759
goes to get a locker, opens
it up, pulls a key out of

426
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.960
that locker, and then goes to
another locker and retrieves a satchel full of

427
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.559
cash. Very very cloak and dagger. Yeah, unlock a box, take

428
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.440
a key out of the box,
unlock a different box, pull some cash,

429
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.839
and it's a mess of cash.
Yeah, it is a mess of

430
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.559
cash. So she goes back to
her car, she gets out, she

431
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.400
gets in and starts driving, and
she gets stopped by a cop. They're

432
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.160
doing like a checkpoint, just making
sure everything's okay, checks her out,

433
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.559
waves her through, and that's when
we notice, I mean, they're just

434
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:56.359
violating everybody's company of it. That's
exactly right. Pardon me. So she

435
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.960
drives through, and we notice that
there may or may not be a car

436
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.759
following her as well. Yeah,
and it's played with like super super tight

437
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:10.319
tension. Yeah, this whole movie
is an exercise intention, It absolutely is.

438
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.359
So she keeps driving a bit,
goes into another parking lot, gets

439
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.240
out, and goes to a payphone. She calls somebody and states that she's

440
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.599
gonna wait a few more minutes,
and then she's gone. She gets back

441
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.200
into her car, lights a cigarette, and then all of a sudden,

442
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.039
some guy pops up from the back, begins to strangle her, kills her.

443
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:32.880
And then what does he do next, Henrick, He removes her ring

444
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.240
finger off her left hand. Yes, he cuts that. That was the

445
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.799
opening scene that like, Like I
immediately I was like, all right,

446
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:41.960
put it in the remote down,
we'll see what this is for a little

447
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:47.279
bit. No, it's it's a
it's a very startling, gruesome and very

448
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.920
Hitchcock esque yeah moment. And that's
the big thing in this movie is it

449
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.160
does feel a lot like it wants
to be a Hitchcock thriller, and I

450
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.960
think in a lot of ways it
succeeds. I think in a lot of

451
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.440
always I like it more than the
Hitchcock thriller because it was a little bit

452
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.279
more modern. It didn't feel old
fashioned. Yeah, I mean, it

453
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.759
feels like it's maybe a product of
the eighties, but it doesn't feel old

454
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.720
fashioned, not dated at all actually, I mean, aside from a few

455
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.759
scenes with phones. Yeah technology Once
they're like in the mansion in the it's

456
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.640
like, oh, just eccentric old
people live here. I guess that's why

457
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:29.319
they don't have any computers. Do
You Even? Movie will be right back,

458
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:44.759
welcome back to Do You Even?
Movie. So now we meet Katie

459
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.039
who is played by Steen Bergen,
and her boyfriend Rob, who was played

460
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.599
by William Rust. They're in their
tiny little apartment that's a bit cramped with

461
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.119
wing they see, you know,
they've got posters on the wall, and

462
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.519
she's trying to find her head shot
and panicking, and she's got an audition.

463
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.880
The next forty five minutes, snow's
coming outside, and her brother is

464
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.240
staying with him as well. Yeah, and her brother, I mean he's

465
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.359
she calls him her baby brother,
but he's like in his like mid twenties.

466
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.039
Yeah, his name's Rolling in the
film, it's played by Mark Malone.

467
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.160
And so she is yelling at Rob
because she needs her head shot.

468
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.440
And Rob, mind you, is
also in a cast and he has his

469
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.240
legs a broken leg. He's down
on his luck and he's he's trying to

470
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.119
drink coffee, and he's complaining about
the coffee and telling her he forgot to

471
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.759
print the headshot. She's panicking because
she has to get this audition. So

472
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.519
she goes to the audition and that's
when we meet mister Murray, who was

473
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.279
played by Roddy McDowell, and she
walks in. He's sitting at the table

474
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.599
and he's like, you know,
yeah, welcome, and then he looks

475
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:43.160
up and immediately pauses and is like, okay, you say something like say

476
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.559
some lines. Yeah. He has
her talk, He has her lift her

477
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.759
hair up because remember, kids,
Mary steam Rgin just got murdered at the

478
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.599
beginning of the movie. But now
this character is also Mary Steambrgin hair.

479
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:59.559
Their hairstyles are massively different. And
I'm not saying I know how they did

480
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.839
it, because I don't, but
they did a lot to adjust the shaping

481
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:08.440
of her eyes. And usually the
way that's accomplished is by placing tape behind

482
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.440
the scalp in the hair so you
could pull skin in different spots. And

483
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:19.119
I just noticed that steam Burgeon,
the actress character that she plays, didn't

484
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:24.200
have those like big luscious eyes that
the character at the beginning did. Absolutely

485
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.240
and when they later on, when
they start to style her to look more

486
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.240
like the dead woman. That's one
of the things that happens is her eyes

487
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.960
get a lot more pronounced and kind
of large. She's actually as the actress

488
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.359
character, she's actually kind of plain. Ye, she's kind of I mean,

489
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:45.240
she has like super big, like
over permed hair that's like super like

490
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.000
big and hefty and all that,
But otherwise she's just kind of plain Jane.

491
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.079
She's not really that not really that
exciting to look at, you know.

492
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.319
Well, we should also mention too
that with the opening of Julie's murder

493
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.680
that they kind of hide Steamberg in
a little bit, like they shoot her

494
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.000
from the back and you only catch
glimpses of her in the rear. Oh

495
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.320
no, they show her pretty straight
on, did they? Oh yeah,

496
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:09.880
okay, yeah, they show her
straight on. Okay, I thought they

497
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.360
mainly shoot her from the back.
No, she's just wearing a hat and

498
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.559
stuff, gotcha, I mean,
and everything's in shadows and stuff because it's

499
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:21.840
all cloak and dagger. It's all
super hitchcocky. So mister Murray tells her

500
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.639
that she's got the job. We
next see that they're at lunch and He

501
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:27.920
tells her that the production is needing
a new lead because she had it out

502
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.800
with the director and she left,
and he tells her that they needed to

503
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.599
go up to They take her to
Upstate New York. They're going to shoot

504
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.320
a video, a little scene with
her, send it off to the director,

505
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.280
and for her doing that, she's
going to get three thousand if she

506
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.400
gets the job, another nine thousand
added on top of that. Yeah.

507
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.280
Basically tells her that the production is
that they're trying to film as much as

508
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.519
they can without their lead actress.
Yeah, but that any day now they're

509
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:51.920
going to run out of things to
shoot and once the production shuts down,

510
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.360
they lose an immense amount of money. Yeah, So they need to take

511
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:59.840
her tomorrow to Upstate New York to
a to a producer's mansion, YEP video

512
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.679
an audition, send it to the
director, and then hopefully immediately the director

513
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.360
will say yes, and then she'll
be sent straight up there. So the

514
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.480
idea is that this is all going
to move incredibly fast because it has to.

515
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:15.079
And he even provides newspaper clippings about
an indie production in trouble and an

516
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:22.119
actress fleeing a set. So it
all looks very legitimate, and McDowell comes

517
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.000
off so confident like he's legit.
Yeah, the absolutely does. And I

518
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.280
think also to what sells it is
that they state that, like, we

519
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.960
want to keep the footage that we've
shot with her, we just need to

520
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.920
have somebody match that footage to go
along with it. So we'll shoot the

521
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.400
new footage of you that we can
match with the footage of Julie. And

522
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.360
I'm like, well, yeah,
I would believe that too. I mean,

523
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.440
it's a stretch hoping you would cast
a woman that looks exactly like her,

524
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.760
but hey, if you're desperate,
you're desperate. So she returns to

525
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.360
her apartment. She tells Rob,
who is annoying her, just snapping pictures

526
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.760
on his camera the whole time,
and he's like, you know, if

527
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.320
you want to go, just just
go ahead and go. So Julie or

528
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.480
Katie, who's frustrated, leaves,
and Rob goes to the window with this

529
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.199
camera. He takes a couple of
pictures of Roddy mcdoll's car as well as

530
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.760
mister Murray. Watches her drive off, and then mister Murray picks her up.

531
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.000
They begin to drive Upstate. They're
driving on the freeway for a couple

532
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.960
hours. They stop at a gas
station. He hands the guy some money

533
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.039
and he's like, all right,
I'll be right back. He comes back

534
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.719
and hands the guy a bag that
has two goldfish in it, because if

535
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.960
you spend ten dollars, you get
free goldfish. And you know what,

536
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.599
in upstate New York, that's not
even the weirdest thing that could happen to

537
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.079
you in the winter. Yeah,
I bet not. Actually, I would

538
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.599
homelessly guarantee that goldfish in the winter. So they arrived in at the mansion,

539
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.320
and this mansion is incredible. We
meet doctor Joseph Lewis, and the

540
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.760
mansion's decked out with art sculptures.
It's got an auto piano that plays itself,

541
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.840
which is pretty awesome, piano player
piano that is attached to something that

542
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.360
we'll get to later. And most
importantly, yes, animal skins. Animal

543
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.480
skins because this doctor has traveled the
world and he has two polar bears,

544
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:59.159
and I think that that's important.
Yeah, because polar bears are very dangerous

545
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.880
to humans and they require an immense
amount of skill, patience, YadA,

546
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.159
YadA, And I think that's foreshadowing. Yeah, And also his admiring of

547
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:14.159
chess too, because yeah, that's
a total foreshadow So she goes to ask

548
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:15.719
if she can use the phone.
She goes to the phone, tells them

549
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.360
there's no dial tone and he's like
really, and he's like, oh,

550
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.719
well, it must have been the
storm that's knocked out the lines. If

551
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.480
it's still out tomorrow, I'll have
mister Murray drive you into town and you

552
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.480
can call wherever you need. So
everything's on the up and up. He

553
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.360
also references the watch out for mice. You might step on on mice,

554
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.800
but there are traps all over,
which again foreshadowings. There's so much foreshadowing

555
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.159
in this film. So the next
scene we see doctor Lewis is sitting down

556
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.519
with Katie. He's showing her pictures
of Julia Rose and comments that she could

557
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.480
be her sister and tells her how
Julia Julie had a nervous breakdown, she'll

558
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.400
never be the same again, and
that he's gonna give her these lines.

559
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.320
They're gonna film the scene tomorrow and
then if everything goes well, they'll drop

560
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.360
the tape off and they can hopefully
shoot with the director. The moment that

561
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.400
he's back or comes to the mansion
base and one thing that's important to put

562
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:07.679
outs. The doctor and Roddy McDowell's
character are at this juncture extremely confident she

563
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.599
will get the role, which is
highly encouraging to her. They're both like

564
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.760
they're both like, no, this
is great. Like, we're going to

565
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.400
shoot the video and do everything we
can to convince the director you're the replacement.

566
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.880
Yeah, but we think you can
be. We're amazed how uncannily you

567
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.119
look like her. And very very
soon, almost immediately, they're going to

568
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.320
cut her hair. Yes, they're
going to do her makeup. Which is

569
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.440
the other part that makes me kind
of sad for Roddy McDowell's character is he

570
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.039
has to like learn how to cut
women's hair and do makeup and stuff.

571
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:44.679
Why because he's completely subservient to this
doctor who, by the way, it

572
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.480
is so clear the moment he introduces
himself as like a former psychiatrist. Yeah,

573
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.639
that McDowell's one of his patients.
Oh yeah, I mean come on,

574
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:53.559
well, and let's also not forget
that he's in he's bound to a

575
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.400
wheelchair basis, Yes, yes,
he's in a wheelchair, and he kind

576
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.280
of references that, he makes jokes
about it a lot like that he likes

577
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.719
being pushed around, and uh,
he likes machines. They take them getting

578
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.159
used to, they take some getting
So mister Murray gives Katie the scenes and

579
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.159
she finds out that they're shooting a
scene for a thriller and they're gonna start

580
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.559
shooting this tomorrow for her audition tape. So she gets ready for bed and

581
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.320
she puts her head shut of Julie
on the mirror and she's practicing the look

582
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.719
in the mirror. There's a knock
at the door and mister Murray brings her

583
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.239
a glass of warm milk and tells
her that doctor Lewis really likes her.

584
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:29.400
He doesn't like everyone, but he
likes her, and Katie replies back that

585
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.599
she likes him and also thinks that
doctor Lewis likes mister Murray as well,

586
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.760
and mister Murray kind of lights up. Oh my god, that's one of

587
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:42.000
those moments that really makes Roddy McDowell
phenomenal in this roll. Is he he

588
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.840
literally like lights up like you think. So it's like, dude, you

589
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.920
live in a house with him,
Yeah, but he so badly wants this

590
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:57.559
guy to like him. Yeah,
because he's deeply damn I mean. And

591
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.000
then in the next literally the next
scene is we see that doctor Lewis is

592
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.559
downstairs like giving him some crap about
a knife that's too dull, and so

593
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.000
he has him sharpen it. He
watches him sharpen it in the thing,

594
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.599
and then he sliced the onions with
it, commenting on how he says a

595
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.239
doll blade doesn't get anything done or
something along those lines. That's something along

596
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.760
those lines. Yeah. So then
the next morning, we see Katie and

597
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:20.679
mister Murray are in the car.
The car won't start, the storm's still

598
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.679
coming down, the lines are still
down. So then they decide that they're

599
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.760
going to go ahead and go with
the audition. Murray prepares Katie, he

600
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.119
cuts her hair, he starts styling
her and she's going over the lines and

601
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.079
Katie ask him how did he and
doctor Lewis meet. Murray tells her professionally

602
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:39.599
because he was a patient bag shocker. That's when she says a patient of

603
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:44.039
what, And that's when he tells
her that doctor Lewis is a psychologist.

604
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.840
This can only go well at this
point, right shockers. So next they

605
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.840
film her audition. At first,
she has a little bit of a stillness,

606
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.320
and then they go a second time, and then both of them with

607
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.599
her watch the playback and are very
impressed. They do a little plodding after

608
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.320
she does. It's super cute.
And we next see that Murray is in

609
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.960
the car. He's driving away from
the estate. Everything seems to be fine,

610
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.639
and he goes to another estate and
drops the tape into a mailbox,

611
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.320
into the door in a house that
does not appear to be very far away,

612
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:15.880
No, not very far away at
all, and we see a woman

613
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.480
in the second floor smoking a cigarette. We then go inside the house as

614
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.760
she picks up the tape and she
ashes on her own floor. Did you

615
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.960
see that? Well, when you're
rich, I mean, you do what

616
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.280
you want. She literally ashes on
her own floor, and she picks up

617
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.199
the tape, and that's when she
sees the audition, and we find out

618
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.280
that the audition is completely her reciting
lines of what happened to her in this

619
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.519
thriller, but she's describing what happened
to the woman in the opening scene.

620
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.639
Yes, what we find out is
that it is very clear that this audition

621
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:51.239
is a tape that proves to this
woman Yea, that her sister was not

622
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.400
successfully murdered. Yes, she's still
alive. She has information that she desperately

623
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.960
wants and that this is a big
fu Yeah. Well and that's sealed the

624
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.880
deal because Lewis then comes on screen
and tells her, Hello, Evelyn.

625
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.480
She's still alive as you can see, and the game continues, We'll contact

626
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.320
you at a later date, and
then the tape goes to fuzzy, goes

627
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:16.159
to white noise, my apostle,
fuzzy devisi static static your face ouch.

628
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.880
So then we the next morning,
we see Katie downstairs. She's calling the

629
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.880
doctor Lewis. She finds the estate
empty, but outside we see mister Murray's

630
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.639
doing snowblowing and Lewis is watching him. Katie begins going through doctor Lewis's office

631
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.039
and that's when she knocks down a
folder and discovers pictures of a dead Julie.

632
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.880
She finds polaroids, polaroids of a
dead body and something I really like

633
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.039
that they did with the dead body
and this they used a dummy. Oh

634
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:45.559
yeah, And I know what you're
thinking, like, well, doesn't that

635
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:52.400
look phony? Yeah, but it's
a it's a dummy that they've made to

636
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:58.239
look just like just like her,
just like her. It looks creepy.

637
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:06.599
Yeah, it's literally lifeless. It
looks like somebody just like recklessly preserved this

638
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.920
woman. Yeah, and I find
every time we look at that corpse very

639
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.599
creepy. Oh it absolutely is.
And we don't have any shortcomings of seeing

640
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.599
that corpse multiple times through this movie
shortcomings. I don't know what you want

641
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.280
English. So she finds the polaroids
she can, goes to confront doctor Lewis

642
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.199
and she's like, you know,
why did you lie to me? What

643
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.679
is this? And that's when Lewis
tells her that it was a tragedy that

644
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.719
unfortunately Julie had a breakdown and committed
suicide. At this point, so now

645
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:44.480
the plot is thickening more and more, and every time she digs a little

646
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:49.400
bit about this actress she's replacing,
it gets more and more insane, because

647
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.920
at first it's, oh, she
got mad at the director. Then it's

648
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.000
oh, she's had a nervous breakdown
and will never be able to act again

649
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.159
because she's like gone so far off
her rocker. Yeah, and now it's

650
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.599
like and she killed herself? Yep? Uh boy, howdy do things escalate

651
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.159
quickly? Very quickly? The pacing
of this film is really what works,

652
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.840
one of the many things that works
for it absolutely, So she questions,

653
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:13.440
you know, is there anything else
they've been holding back, and Lewis tells

654
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.760
her that it was a tragedy,
but they have no further secrets. Back

655
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.159
at the apartment, we now see
that Rob tries to call out because naturally

656
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.320
Katie hasn't called him in several days. Now, he sees the phone lines

657
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.079
are disconnected, so he calls the
operator and he's like, I've got this

658
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.199
number, can you dial it for
me? She's like, what's the number?

659
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.679
And he starts with three one one, and that's when the operator tells

660
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.559
him there is no three to one
one area code, ah, the old

661
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.360
fake area code. So immediately he's
distraught by this. Later that night,

662
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.159
we see mister Murray and doctor Lewis
are playing chess, but doctor Lewis is

663
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.599
doing so without looking at the board, and she even he's doing calisthenics.

664
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.760
Yeah, she questions, he's on
the other side of the room doing calisthenics,

665
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.480
doing weightlifting and stuff. Yeah,
And she asks him about like,

666
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:53.960
why don't you need to look at
it, and he's just like, I

667
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.559
don't have to because I know the
board. Yeah, I know the board.

668
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.199
I have memory toity toy. So
then the player piano starts on.

669
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.880
Katie questions how it is and Lewis
tells her that it's a device that's connected

670
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.719
to his heart and is it when
his heart rate gets high, when his

671
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.559
heart rate is elevating, Yeah,
the piano plays to relax him, to

672
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:14.719
relax him, so that will trigger
it. Katie then sees a pop from

673
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.000
the fireplace and she goes over with
a poker it. Starts nosing around and

674
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.440
sees that her idea is roasting melting
away on top of one of the logs.

675
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.119
Yep, her New York State driver's
license audio smoochacho, So she tries

676
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.960
to rechieve it from the fireplace.
She can't, so then she just kind

677
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:31.719
of plays it off and returns to
her room. She empties her purse onto

678
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.639
her bed and finds now that all
her ideas are missing, along with her

679
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.119
credit cards. They have erased her
Anything with a name on it is not

680
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.360
in her wallet anymore. Yeah,
so she starts freaking out. She returns

681
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.960
downstairs and goes to the phone again, notices there's still a dial tone,

682
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.760
so then she starts pulling at the
cord and she's pulling at the cord in

683
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.039
the corner and doctor Lewis is kind
of noticing that something's up at this point,

684
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.079
so he motions mister Murray over,
and that's when she pulls the cord

685
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.719
up and sees that it's been cut, so there's no dial tone because the

686
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.039
phone has literally been made use of
luciuseless at this point. Yes, that

687
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.800
is what happens when the cord is
cut. In the old day, in

688
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.280
the old day, in the olden
days, back when you know, cords

689
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:13.360
were a part of phones. I
don't have it. I don't have another

690
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.519
joke. I thought i'd come up
with something, but I'm just a little

691
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:29.079
tired today. Do you Even?
Movie will be right back, welcome back

692
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:36.400
to Do You Even movie? So, mister Murray call is called over by

693
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.599
doctor Lewis and he goes over and
she tells him she's going to have a

694
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.440
nap before dinner, and he's like, you know, I think you should.

695
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.880
You look a little pale. So
later we see her sneak back downstairs

696
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.559
again as mister Murray cooks for Lewis. He's having him sample some saucy's making.

697
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.000
Katie then decides to go right through
the front door without her coat,

698
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.760
and she starts making a trek in
the snowstorm up this giant hill and she's

699
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.320
pulling on branches because she can't get
her footing, and she keeps climbing and

700
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.559
suddenly she reaches the top and then
mister Murray steps up and he's like,

701
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.079
doctor Lewis has been looking for you. And he looks and he looks the

702
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:08.840
absolute creepiest in the shot, like
I told you well, he's just in

703
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.800
a button up jacket with a very
simple furry hat on top of his head

704
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.559
and stay warm, and he looks
so sincere when he's just like, doctor

705
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.360
Lewis has been looking for you.
Doctor Lewis is looking for you. So

706
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.440
back inside, Katie now questions their
intentions, like uh, brings up to

707
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.119
their IDs and her credit cards are
missing, and Lewis is like, oh,

708
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.840
we haven't done anything like that.
You know, you're just imagining that

709
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.440
just left them at home. Maybe
he left in a hurry. Yeah,

710
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.320
And he also adds about the cut
phone cord and he's like, there's no

711
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.360
such phone in the kitchen, Like
death cord's not cut. So Lewis still

712
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.280
denies stating that he's pushed her too
hard. Murray offers her something warm to

713
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.559
drink, and that's when she starts
to get her head hurting a little bit.

714
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.400
And also we see that riding McDow
is just kind of zoomed in on

715
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.360
her in this shot. Yeah,
so she's clearly been drugged. And I

716
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.960
also want to point out this is
the beginning of some very intense gas lighting.

717
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.719
Yeah, but it's almost stupid big
gas lighting, yeah, because they're

718
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.199
just like they just like mutilate her
and they go like, well you roll,

719
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.599
did you have a finger when you
went to sleep? Yeah, It's

720
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:12.039
like it's very very strange. So
Katie begins to realize she's been drug She

721
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.719
gets up and is questioning what's going
on from her? What do they want

722
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.440
from her? She has no money
or anything, and Louis still denies that

723
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.920
there's nothing wrong and that, you
know, everything's okay, but with her

724
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.320
actions, she's been disqualified from the
job, telling her that they'll take her

725
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.639
home in the morning, and she's
like home and he's like, well,

726
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.199
you want to go home, don't
you. So then she goes up to

727
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.480
her room and she just crashes on
the bed, but not before barricading the

728
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.280
door. So even doctor Lewis comments, He's like, well, if you

729
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.119
don't want to be bothered, I
you should use the bolt on your door.

730
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.519
So she bolts her door, pushes
a case in front of it,

731
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.159
and then just ends up crashing on
the bed because she's drugged. Yeah.

732
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.480
So meanwhile downstairs, Lewis tells Murray
not to worry. He's gonna do a

733
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.360
perfect job, and mister Murray's like, well, what do you mean,

734
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:52.800
And he's like, well, you
know you have to you have to do

735
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.960
a perfect job. What is he
talking about exactly? We then see mister

736
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.400
Murray get up carrying a medical tray
and he goes into her room, except

737
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.519
he doesn't come in the normal way. We see him standing behind a mirror

738
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.320
smoking as the mirror opens up in
her bedroom and he walks through a secret

739
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.960
passageway into the room. Yeah,
the stand up mirror in there is actually

740
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.880
a two way mirror, yeah,
and or a one way mirror. Yeah.

741
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:16.320
One, that's what I always get
those confused. Yeah, it's a

742
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:21.320
one way mirror and a door.
Yeah. So he walks in smoking a

743
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:22.599
cigarette, smoking a cigarett. Well, you know, it's the eighties,

744
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.719
I mean everybody had by law,
you had to have a lit cigarette in

745
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.800
your hand. And he goes in
there and just ever so gently and carefully

746
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.840
cuts off her finger. So the
next morning we see Katie is still sleeping,

747
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.119
but now the bed has drips of
blood on it. She finds herself

748
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.360
in a nightgown that she wasn't dressed
and when she went to bed, and

749
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.719
she pulls out her bandage hand from
the pillow, unwraps it and finds that

750
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:51.559
her ring finger on her left hand
has absolutely been removed. Yes, it

751
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.800
is gone. And it's a shocking
moment, very shocking moment. So she

752
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:59.119
screams out, alerting them that she's
woke up. She finds the barricade undisturbed,

753
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.519
and that's when she finds some cigarette
ash from Rodney mcdale's cigarette on the

754
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.960
floor, and that's when she opens
the mirror, steps inside the attic and

755
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.559
makes her way up and she goes
into finding a phone right in the corner.

756
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.599
And this is a big moment though, because she put two and two

757
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.719
together of like somebody she's not believing
the gas lighting. So she's like,

758
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.039
somebody got in here. How could
they get in here? Because the door

759
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.760
was barricaded. Yeah, and then
she sees the cigarette ash and is like,

760
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.960
it's gotta be this mirror. She
fuxes with it. It opens up.

761
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.639
So now she's up in the attic
and I want to mention. Then

762
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.840
they referenced this a little bit later. But the attic is not heated.

763
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.039
No, it's above the where the
house is insulated, so it is very

764
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.239
cold. You can see breath while
they're up there. And yes, she

765
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.679
finds an old black rotary phone that
she still has a dial tone yep,

766
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.480
so she immediately calls Rob. Rob
asked where she is, but Katie can't

767
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.679
remember the address. She doesn't know
exactly what the address is. She doesn't

768
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.880
know anything except landmark. So she
says that they went upstate on the freeway

769
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.400
for about two hours. There was
a covered bridge and a goldfish at a

770
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.719
gas station basically, And she's also
still coming down from the drugs and she's

771
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.559
in absolute shock, absolute panic as
well. So Rob tells her to hang

772
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:15.440
on, hang up, call the
police. And meanwhile, Murray a downstairs

773
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.239
has found her room is empty,
and he also sees that the door is

774
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:21.000
open for the mirror, so he
makes his way into the attic Rob hangs

775
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.719
up on her, telling her to
call the police, which she does after

776
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.119
she tells them that she's in danger. She's in that they need to hurry,

777
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.199
and she tries to get the best
address of them that she can.

778
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.480
She pulls back then a sheet that
she is by this little sofa and finds

779
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.039
Julie's body has been hidden away in
the attic. Murray finds her yanking the

780
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.159
phone cord out of the wall and
he just looks pissed at her. Yes,

781
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:45.199
and again this is that corpse that
is a dummy that makes it creepier

782
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:50.119
from the polaroid pictures is now up
there and there's a little mouse sitting on

783
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.559
her face. Yeah. So back
at the apartment, Rob has his cast

784
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.119
removed by Roland and we see that
he that's a nice way to put it.

785
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.280
They like, break the cap,
break off him because they're leaving go

786
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:01.760
to find her. They're going to
find her. So back at the mansion,

787
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:07.119
doctor Lewis tends to Katie's bandage again. He redresses it and he tells

788
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.639
Katie that Julie was a former patient
of his who got involved in a family

789
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:15.599
feud with her sister. So as
a radical therapy he suggested blackmail, which

790
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:20.039
went completely as planned until Evelyn did
something they didn't expect hired an assassin to

791
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.920
kill her sister and cut off her
finger, which to me, that's just

792
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.199
you're not good at playing the game, bro clearly not. No, it

793
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.719
is very clear that this woman will
do anything to win. Yeah, that

794
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:36.480
she is playing for keyboard games.
So mister Murray was able to intercept her

795
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.559
corpse before the authorities did, and
once they got it, they noticed the

796
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.159
finger removal, which is why they
brought Katie here. Katie questions if they're

797
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.800
going to kill her, and doctor
Lewis tells her not at all, but

798
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:52.760
Evelyn might and you know they're not
wrong. Hold on so as she will

799
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.480
pay a great deal for a second
chance to kill her. They try to

800
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.280
sedate her, but Katie hears a
door buzz as she rushes to the door,

801
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.519
intercepting the cops that she called.
But doctor Lewis is quick to tell

802
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.719
them that she's a patient named Julie. She's having an episode and he tried

803
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.440
to calm her down, but tells
them that she went mad last night and

804
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.920
chopped off her own finger. While
all this is happening, Steenbergen is trying

805
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.000
to, you know, give every
defense that she can that she is being

806
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.480
captive and being tortured by these guys, and at this point there is no

807
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:21.760
evidence of her identity. No,
everything they're saying is the only thing that

808
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.199
there's evidence for. Yeah, they
have the idea of the dead woman.

809
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.440
Yeah, they have photographs of the
dead woman, and her committal papers too,

810
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.360
and yeah, and her committal papers
they have all which but I mean,

811
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.360
for the record, how easy would
it be to fake committal papers if

812
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:38.159
you're the doctor. Yeah, but
these cops are also stupid, you know,

813
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.480
actually they're not. They're kind of
dumb. They're kind of dumb.

814
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.480
I would call them, like,
on a scale of one to ten,

815
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:49.280
how stupid, because movie cops can
go from like obscenely dumb, how far

816
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.920
dumb, from a scale of one
to ten being like drooling on themselves,

817
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.960
Like how five dumb? Those are? Goofy, that's different. It's not

818
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:00.679
like in Halloween five, which you
always love to crap on. It's not

819
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.960
like in Halloween five the cops are
like like standing there looking that way while

820
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.599
Michael Myers is stabbing someone to death. They're just silly, silly. But

821
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:14.519
there are movies where cops are so
stupid, and whether it's that they don't

822
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.760
believe something when there's obvious evidence,
or they just do the thing where the

823
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.400
thing where it's like, oh,
this guy just wants attention, Like the

824
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:27.000
dumbest cops ever are like the cops
in thirteenth Part six. Inside Inside's even

825
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.719
dumber. But Friday thirteenth, Part
six, it's like everybody's just like,

826
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.360
wait, Jason Voorhees is dead.
Wait, now people are dying. Well,

827
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.119
it must be the guy who says
Jason for he's back killing people to

828
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:44.119
get us to believe the dumbest I'm
sorry, he's killing people, so will

829
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.480
believe him. Dumbest argument I've ever
heard I would give. I would give

830
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.039
these cops it's either a six or
a seven because I don't think they're that

831
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.320
bad, because you will get to
the ending where they redeem themselves. But

832
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.280
yeah, they're they're I mean,
everything is there if they looked hard enough.

833
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.639
Well yeah, but they're also getting
a lot of information that makes sense.

834
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.079
Yeah, she's just cut off her
finger. She's so there's a fresh

835
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.119
wound. Yeah, she's got committal
papers. She is acting hysteric. Yeah,

836
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.079
she's acting like a loon because she's
been drugged again and again and again,

837
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.639
and because you know, think about
it. You know what makes somebody

838
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.679
sound crazier than anything When they're telling
you a bunch of stuff that doesn't make

839
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.440
sense. Yeah, and she it
doesn't make sense unless you were there the

840
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.360
whole time. And on top of
that, you're at a doctor's house.

841
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.559
Yeah, he's clearly rich, which
makes you think that he's telling the truth,

842
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.679
because you know, how could a
crazy guy have all this nice stuff?

843
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:44.480
You know? No, but I
mean so all that stuff is pushing

844
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.159
on the cops. But even so, I mean they check the house.

845
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:50.239
Yeah, well they check the attic, which is where she says the body

846
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.039
is. Yeah, because she's screaming
with them, like please check the attic,

847
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.320
and even doctor Lewis is like,
oh, they don't need to go

848
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.599
in the attic, And then one
cop is actually like, well, you

849
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.719
know, maybe we do. See. I think they that's a bit redeeming.

850
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.159
Yeah. I think they are a
five because they do go where she

851
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.480
asks them to. But the moment
they go up there and don't find anything,

852
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.119
that's when they're like, all right, screaming lady, Yeah, we're

853
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.280
just gonna take off now. Best
of luck, well, because Roddy mcdoell

854
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:17.079
escorts the cops. So mister Murray
escorts him to the attic and that's when

855
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.719
he's like, oh, it's not
heated up here. So they're looking around,

856
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:22.639
they're pulling furniture aside, and clearly
the body's been moved. So the

857
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.000
cop goes back downstairs. He's like, we didn't find anything. So then

858
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.000
Lewis is like, why don't you
take her back up to her room.

859
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.719
So mister Murray takes her back up
to her room. He's talking to the

860
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.559
cops for a little bit and that's
when he lays her on the bed.

861
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.280
She rolls over and mister Murray has
put the corpse of Julie in Katie's bed.

862
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:43.960
And then her reaction, which obviously
is to scream and scream and scream

863
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.559
because there's a corpse in her bed. Yeah, just makes her look even

864
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.559
more insane to the cops because the
cops are sitting there after she's been taking

865
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.960
back to her bed and they just
hear going so they just kind of look

866
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.039
at each other like all right,
let's uh, let's leave here and go

867
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.760
get some coffee. Well, and
also McDowell in the attic points of the

868
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:01.599
cord that was linked out of the
phone. He's like, yeah, she

869
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:06.119
did that when she had her episode
last night. So everything, yeah,

870
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.320
everything that they're stacking up. It
unfortunately does lead to believe that she's chess

871
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.960
chess, which, by the way, don't you play chess? No makes

872
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.920
sense? Yeah, No, I
don't play. I've played chess twice in

873
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.199
my life. I've never played it
once because it requires a friend. That's

874
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:35.679
very true. Do You Even movie
will be right back, welcome back to

875
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:43.519
do You Even movie? So the
cops decide, they're like, this isn't

876
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.239
anything. So back in her room, Katie lays on the bed, comes

877
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.480
face to face of the body of
Julie. She screams, and the cops

878
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:51.159
are like, okay, we're out
of here. So then we see Rob

879
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.639
and Roland are driving upstate and they're
trying to figure out the location, which

880
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:58.800
good on Roland because he pinpoints the
covered bridge because he has found out that

881
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.440
there's five covered bridges in the area. Two are way too far away,

882
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.800
one's the other side, but there
is one that is exactly I think,

883
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.840
like they said, twenty miles away
from where they are Yeah. Basically there's

884
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.960
one right by the city, yeah, and two way out. Yeah,

885
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.159
so this one is the most likely
one because it's the nearest, so it's

886
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.440
the first one they should try.
So we see them drive past the bridge.

887
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.400
They're still trying to figure out the
location. And back at the mansion,

888
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.880
Evelyn has now arrived and boy has
she. Boy. This is number

889
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.800
three. Mary steinburgons and up until
this point she's mostly been obscured. Yeah,

890
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:38.039
so now we fully see she is
full blown. Also performed by Mary

891
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:45.599
stem Virgin, and she is cold, cold, very cold and confident.

892
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:50.760
Yeah, and just everything. Stem
Virgin's other two characters were not No,

893
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.960
she's got looks to kill when she's
Evelyn, Like, Evelyn is somebody that

894
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.199
freaking scares me. David, You're
scared of all kinds of things, would

895
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.519
you stop. I'll put a list
at the end of the show. That's

896
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.480
fair in the show notes. Yeah, yes, my fears, my work

897
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.320
hours. Yes, so people can
know what they want to do. Evelyn

898
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.559
arrives, she's looking over Katie with
Lewis, Doctor Lewis and mister Murray,

899
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.920
and of course she's heavily sidated at
this point, which is kind of a

900
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.000
cool shot because they have all three
of them looking down at her, and

901
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:21.639
they're talking slow like this and drawn
out because the the sedation's kind of wearing

902
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:25.159
off on her. So then that's
when doctor Lewis tells her to go take

903
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:30.199
mister Murray tells mister Murray to take
Katie to her room. Evelyn then sits

904
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.760
down with doctor Lewis and they're talking
and he's like, you know, I've

905
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:35.639
heard so much about you, and
she's like, I'm sure you have.

906
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:37.639
And he offers her sherry brandy and
she doesn't want anything. He's like,

907
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:39.800
well, I'm gonna get myself something. Well, his back is turned.

908
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.239
She goes into her bag and we
see that she has an ice pick that

909
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.079
she's removed from her bag. Now
I love that she's specifically brought an ice

910
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.320
pick. Yeah, I just that's
such a like why not, I guess,

911
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.000
but it was just a really interesting
choice. Yeah, she's got this

912
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.679
ice pick and she is ready to
check that mate, Yes she is.

913
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.360
So Lewis is asking her where is
it, and Evelyn tells u him that

914
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.079
it's hidden. She tells him that
she does have something for him, though,

915
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:06.079
and tosses him the locker key.
From the beginning, so clearly the

916
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.320
money is what they're after in this
point. Yes, well, and there's

917
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:13.280
bla blackmail going on. Yeah,
so she requests sherry after all, and

918
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.719
she pulls the ice pick from her
bag. She starts walking up to doctor

919
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.639
Lewis, but she's interrupted as mister
Murray returns. And that's when we cut

920
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.400
to Bob and Roland, who are
at the gas station, and all of

921
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.840
a sudden, the attendant takes their
ten dollars from them. He goes back

922
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:28.800
and comes back with a goldfish,
and that's when they realize they're in the

923
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:30.760
town. They're in the right town. And I also don't forget that she

924
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:36.920
hides that ice pick. It's still
unknown to the two gentlemen that she has

925
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.559
the every intent of killing killing them. Yeah. So we next see that

926
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.239
Roland and Russ are at the police
station, and that's when we see that

927
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.480
Kate is upstairs and she's trying to
figure out how she can escape when she

928
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:51.639
realizes that she just needs to talk
to Evelyn. So what she does is

929
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.159
she starts messing with the window.
She takes a blanket and throws it out.

930
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:58.800
The opening of the window alerts mister
Murray. He runs upstairs, sees

931
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.440
the blanket blows the wind and he's
like, oh my god, she got

932
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:05.599
out. So now doctor Lewis and
mister Murray race out, and that is

933
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.239
when Evelyn is downstairs just watching them
fumble about, and we see mister Murray

934
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.280
going after the blanket. By this
point, now Katie comes out from behind

935
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.400
the mirror where she was hiding.
She goes downstairs and Evelyn watches the two

936
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.880
outside. Katie sneaks down the steps. Evelyn, still thinking that she's Julie,

937
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.000
calls to her and that's when she
tries to argue that she's not Julie,

938
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:28.280
and Evelyn is not hearing it,
like this is just some stupid mind

939
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:32.039
game, ironically, and that's literally
when she goes that the plots turn it.

940
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.480
She takes Julie's Katie's hand and sees
that the finger has been removed,

941
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:38.239
just like she had it done,
and that's when she's like, why should

942
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.920
I trust you? And Evelyn isn't
buying it. She grabs her hand with

943
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.280
a missing finger, lunches at her
with the ice pick, and that's when

944
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.920
we have the two struggle to the
ground and then we see them fall.

945
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.079
We see somebody's hand come up and
hit a piano key, and then we

946
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:55.039
cut back to the station where Rob
and Roland are trying to tell the cops

947
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:57.840
what's going on. They're like,
well, you know, we just went

948
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.199
to a mansion this morning. It
kind of sounds like what you're talking about.

949
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.440
They're showing the pictures from when he
picked her up originally that he took

950
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.039
of Rodney mc dall's character, and
they're like, well, that kind of

951
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:07.639
looks like her, but it's not
her, there's no way. Well,

952
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.159
and but that's the big moment that
makes them really considerate though, is that

953
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.760
they have evidence of what she looks
like, what she looks like, but

954
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:16.119
it's like, yeah, it doesn't
quite look like her, but at the

955
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:20.079
same time, you do have a
missing person, guys. So by this

956
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.559
point, doctor Lewis and Missus Murray
return home. They find Evelyn waiting on

957
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.400
the stairs, and Evelyn states she
can't trust them to get the job done,

958
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.280
so she's gonna go look upstairs for
herself. Mister Murray chases after her,

959
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:31.599
trying to stop her, and he
says that they'll handle the search together,

960
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.920
that he can handle her. He
continuously searches the house, as does

961
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.280
Lewis downstairs, who grabs a fire
poker. So now everybody's trying to find

962
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.159
out where Katie went. Back upstairs, Mister Murray continues searching with Evelyn until

963
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.840
he realizes that she has the same
injury on her hand. Yep, it

964
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:55.280
is a ruse An actor, thank
you. So Katie is as revealed.

965
01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.000
Katie stabs Murray in the neck with
the ice pick, which kills him instant

966
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:01.920
on the bed, and it's brutal. He puts his hand up to stop

967
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:07.000
it, so it stops through his
hand and pins his hand to his throat.

968
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:12.079
It's very brutal and so sad though
his expression as he dies, the

969
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:16.119
sadness in his eyes holds and it's
very sad. Yeah, very very sad.

970
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:20.920
Such a tragic villain, it absolutely
is. Katie, still posing as

971
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.519
Evelyn, then begins to cry.
She returns downstairs, calling to doctor Lewis

972
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.840
and telling him and obviously Katie's not
in the house anymore, and she's going

973
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.559
to leave, but suddenly the piano
starts up and it catches her off guard,

974
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:34.360
and you can kind of see doctor
Lewis be like, hmm, well,

975
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.880
the piano starting is more important than
that. Yeah, the piano starting

976
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:44.519
lets her know that he knows he
knows who she is, because his heart

977
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.719
races because he's realized he's found her. And that's one of the coolest moments

978
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.280
for that character is because then he
goes, I think we've found her.

979
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.639
And then what does he do,
Dave, He lunges at her from his

980
01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:00.199
chair with the poker and uses the
poker to climb the step and chase after

981
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.000
her. To the second, he's
been misrepresenting how weak he is. Is

982
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:11.880
clearly not able to walk comfortably,
but he's misrepresented that, which makes sense

983
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:16.159
to make your opponent underestimate you,
absolutely So now we get to the point

984
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.400
where he finds the body of mister
Murray on the bed and he continues shutting

985
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:23.280
doors, shouting at her that there's
no way out, and we now see

986
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:27.000
that Katie is back hiding behind the
mirror of the secret passageway. He fakes

987
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.400
a look into it for a second, act like he doesn't see anything,

988
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.440
but then he swings the poker,
smashing the glass. He goes inside the

989
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.920
secret passageway. Doctor Lewis makes his
way up to the attic and searches and

990
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.119
that's when he starts noticing some things
and he sees a cupboard is closed.

991
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.360
He goes in and sees a body
and he starts hitting the body. As

992
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.360
Julie's body falls out behind him.
Katie comes out from behind the sofa,

993
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.159
starts attacking him, stabs him in
the back, and that's when he falls

994
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:56.000
off and falls onto the knife.
Yes, well the under the pick,

995
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.320
I think, right. But before
he falls, before he falls to the

996
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:01.599
knife, he steps into a bear
trap, which is one thing we did

997
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.079
leave out at once. There was
a There are all kinds of things in

998
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:08.840
the attic, and one of those
is a bear trap, which again because

999
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.559
the foreshadowing of the mice, and
they show him catching a couple of mice

1000
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.159
out the film. And now he's
stepped in the bear trap. He has

1001
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.199
been check made. He's been check
made. It see, every move he's

1002
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:25.199
made has been anticipated and countered.
And now he's just a big heap and

1003
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.000
pile a dead white guy. So
he goes silent and still, but suddenly

1004
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:31.199
sits up, but then falls back
down again. We see another figure enter

1005
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.199
the attic. As Katie realizes that
it's rob he takes the poker from her

1006
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.880
calmly begins to stroke her face and
she just realizes that it's him. She

1007
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.159
calmly goes into him, and then
we see the cops are driving them away

1008
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.559
from the estate. The snow is
falling again, and that is the Dead

1009
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:54.199
of Winter and a damn fine picture, A very fine picture. I didn't

1010
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.480
like. This was one that we
were thinking of a couple weeks ago at

1011
01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:59.920
the lounge for when we were gonna
cover on the show. And once we

1012
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:00.880
once we both said it, we
were just like, well, yeah,

1013
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.239
we have to Dead of Winter.
It's such a fun and it's so good.

1014
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:08.039
Yeah, and it's it's very much
a dark horse. It's very much

1015
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.800
underrated. Do you know how it
did in a theater? I don't off

1016
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.559
the top of my head, but
I didn't do your research. Hang on,

1017
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.880
it's okay. You just had one
one job. Box office was two

1018
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.239
point four million. They doesn't have
the budget for it. That's not great.

1019
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:27.280
I don't think it did well.
Unfortunately, it did get yeah,

1020
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:29.639
because from what I could what I
could find from the critics, it was

1021
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.480
it was running right about a three
point five rating for most of them.

1022
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.039
Well, we know Ciskel and Ebert
hated it. Although after you were showing

1023
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:40.320
me some Cisco and Ebert videos before
this show, Yeah, and I did.

1024
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:42.840
I don't know that they ever liked
anything, Yeah, I mean,

1025
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:46.440
they were just hating on everything.
If you want an entertainment dear listeners,

1026
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:50.360
check out their worst of for each
year, especially the nineties, because my

1027
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:55.519
god, they didn't like a after
they hated Drop Dead Fred and Don't Tell

1028
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.239
Mom the Babysitters Dead. Yeah,
and I felt like they didn't get the

1029
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.679
point of either of those movies,
although Dropped Fred's a little sillier than Don't

1030
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.679
Tell Them the Babysitter's Dead. This
is true, but yeah, yeah,

1031
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:09.480
no, after after you showed me
like five or six videos of them just

1032
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:13.840
being so hateful to so many movies. Yeah, I think the only thing

1033
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:18.320
more entertaining would be watching their funerals
too soon, I said what I said.

1034
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.760
So, what I absolutely love about
this movie is, like I've said

1035
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.559
it before, but the setting,
the snowy, isolated mansion and having such

1036
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.280
a small cast because you really only
have, like you said, about five

1037
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.159
people technically, even though one of
them plays three of them. Yeah,

1038
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.480
Well, and the snow is highly
isolating because they are not in the middle

1039
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:41.719
of nowhere. They're in a they're
in a like a rich neighborhood. Yeah,

1040
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.800
but when the snow comes down hard, those houses, which are a

1041
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.400
decent distance apart, yeah, may
as well be a million miles away.

1042
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:53.960
Absolutely, And I mean they they
play with the the the ability to get

1043
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.199
through the snow super well in that
chase scene because at one point she is

1044
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.920
literally grasping at roots to try and
pull her off up this hill. She

1045
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.559
doesn't have a jacket. She's running, you know, in the snow,

1046
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:06.519
which she commented on on an interview. I watched they shot this in Ontario,

1047
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.559
Canada, and she said this was
one of the two coldest film sets

1048
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:12.840
that she ever been on, the
other one being something that she'd done on

1049
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.920
the BBC, but with the real
snow on the ground they did use.

1050
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.840
Of course, they were also doing
snow machines that were also blowing it at

1051
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.640
her, So not only was she
running in the snow, but she also

1052
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.279
had really cold fake snow being blown
at her as well well. Usually the

1053
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.159
snow machines are, if they're the
high end ones, which it sounds like

1054
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.239
it was, it's literally snow.
It's like the stuff you get at at

1055
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:38.319
a skiing lodge or a skiing resort. Yeah, so no, it sounds

1056
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.479
like it was really cold. It
looked cold. And Mary Steamburgeon ain't got

1057
01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:44.199
no fat on that on them bone, No she does not. So final

1058
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:45.720
thoughts on this one. I am
going to give this a rent it.

1059
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:49.479
I think this is one you absolutely
need to seek out and if you do

1060
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:53.319
want to buy it, you can
find copies of it, but you may

1061
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.399
pay a little more than you want
to. But there may or may not

1062
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.960
be a new one coming out here
in the next year. Yeah, I'm

1063
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.239
gonna say I'll say rent it because
because it's it's another one of those all

1064
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:05.560
of my ratings have a caveat,
which is like, if you are a

1065
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:14.239
nut, if you're nuts for underrated
thrillers, if you're nuts for classic concepts

1066
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:18.720
with great actors, great character actors, it's a by it. Oh yeah,

1067
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.239
but I'll say rent it because I
think. I mean I did,

1068
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.199
yeah, and it was worth the
three ninety nine four and then you bought

1069
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.840
it. I I went on eBay
as soon as the film was over because

1070
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:31.840
at the time the Blu ray was
out of print, but now it's looking

1071
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.159
like it's going to be back in
print. Probably by the time, not

1072
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:38.600
by the time it's errors, but
probably shortly after this error. Initially,

1073
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:40.720
Yeah, I think they. I
think they slid it for February or March

1074
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.319
release. I want to say,
nah, look keep an eye on for

1075
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.279
Dead of Winter. It is gonna
be re released soon. But you can

1076
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:47.239
find it readily available right now to
stream. And as you know, we

1077
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.840
like to end the show with another
recommendation. I am gonna go with the

1078
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:56.399
slasher film from nineteen eighty three Curtains. Six young actresses auditioning for a movie

1079
01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:59.880
role at a remote mansion are targeted
by a mysterious mass murderer. This one

1080
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.760
has all the isolation of the mansion. You've got a straight up slasher film.

1081
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:05.359
You've got a really cool scene where
the killer is chasing one of the

1082
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.640
chicks on the ice as well with
ice skates. I do like that scene

1083
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:12.680
a lot. Yeah. And also
John's is weird as hell. John Vernons

1084
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.640
your director in that movie too,
So playing the director not the director of

1085
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:19.560
Curtains. No, that's a good
suggestion. I like that one. Yeah,

1086
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.520
But no, that is Dead of
Winter, like I said, easily

1087
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.920
available to find right now. A
great thriller, especially with the winter months

1088
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.479
that we are getting into right now. So if you have not seen it,

1089
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:31.000
well we just spoiled it. But
you should still go watch it right

1090
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.800
now. Well, and if it's
warm weather, it'll chill you, it'll

1091
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:38.119
chill you. Indeed. Well,
my friends, it's about time we get

1092
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.119
out of here. Thank you for
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1093
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:44.239
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01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.520
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1104
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:28.680
Dave, what about what else you
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For most of those, we are
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1111
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:53.319
are out of here till next week. We'll see you next Tuesday. Ah

1112
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1115
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