June 30, 2025

Monthly Spooky | Death Cap Murders, Haunted Plague Island, and the Real Jaws Attacks

Monthly Spooky | Death Cap Murders, Haunted Plague Island, and the Real Jaws Attacks

This month on Monthly Spooky, Henrique and Michelle unravel some of the most chilling real-life horrors, folklore, and bizarre news stories from around the world.

🍄 Death Cap Murder Trial — A woman in Australia stands accused of poisoning her in-laws with foraged mushrooms in what may be one of the most unusual triple homicide cases in recent years. Was it accidental… or calculated?

☠️ The Island of Ghosts — Once a quarantine zone for plague victims, this derelict and off-limits island is now a crumbling mass grave. We explore its haunted history and the eerie ban on visitors.

🦈 The 1916 Shark Attacks — We dive into the terrifying true story that inspired Jaws: a string of brutal shark attacks along the Jersey Shore that sparked national panic and forever changed how we fear the ocean.

👻 Also featuring:

  • A creepy “box demon”
  • A missing woman case solved after 60 years
  • A chimney horror story in Connecticut
  • A tornado-tossed tortoise reunion

With a mix of true crime, urban legends, and unbelievable headlines, this episode brings a terrifying blend of fact and folklore—perfect for fans of spooky podcasts, haunted history, and real-world horror.

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👨‍💼 Executive Producers: Rob Fields, Bobbletopia.com
🎥 Produced by: Daniel Wilder
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An island with over one hundred and sixty thousand corpses,

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a sixty year old cold case is closed, the true

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deadly shark attacks that inspired Jaws, and an update on

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the bizarre court case of the death Mushrooms. Get Comfortable,

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Thrown off the lights.

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It's Monthly Spooky.

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Hello, my spooky. It is indeed that time of the

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Month's time for Monthly Spooky. I'm, of course your host

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Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host Michelle. Michelle,

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how are you on this fine day.

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I don't know. I don't know.

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Okay, that's fair, fair, I didn't mean to put you

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on the spot like that. I apologize you weren't ready

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for like the tough questions. Huh no, I I I

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have to say that many times when we do this show,

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I am in the midst of a lot of things

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at once. I work a lot my my, you know,

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my day job in movies and now in podcasting. Finding

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the time to sit down and have a conversation for

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a couple of hours can be challenging. Yeah, and I

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just got off of like one of the most intense

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deadlines of my life was working super late, super long

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hours and now here I am bright eyed and bushy

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tale ready to talk with you, cell.

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Yay, and I am in the middle of all sorts

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of things this time, so yeah.

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Right, yeah, whatever those are, like the mosaic.

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get like an access code for so I'm kind of

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weirded out because I know the person I'll get back

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to me, but like, I hate that. I have another

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inspection that I just did where we're having trouble setting

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up the raid on because on the sellers in there

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like not responding to us, and now my I think

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my buyer is getting a little annoyed. It's not my fault.

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And you don't contact the seller because they know each

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other and tell him to fucking respond, like I don't know,

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I don't know what you want me to do. So

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and then I'm working on a mostic I wish, I.

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and the timeline for it was crazy, so yeah, obscene.

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So but I don't have to inspect any homes with

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a keypad entry, So that's that at least there's that, Yay.

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I mean, I hope no one died in it too well.

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I mean it was built in the nineties, so maybe

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do appreciate that you take time out of your month

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to do this show with mechell, because you never, like

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when you commit, even like six days out when we

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you just never know what's gonna happen. Like yeah, yeah,

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before that, like I didn't think we'd be recording this

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when I was on like four and a half hours

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of sleep. Ah, you know that just means I'll be

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more charming.

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I mean that's there's only that's the only way this

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kinds of crazy stories about sleep deprivation, like that you

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all after you're you've been deprived a certain amount. Okay,

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Yeah, have you ever been so sleep deprived that you hallucinated?

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Did you? You don't really deprive yourself of sleep.

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it wasn't even that the show was still going. It

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was that afterwards they were like, let's just have like

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a really long dance party, and all the musicians were like,

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we just not do that? So I get angry?

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not that late. I mean sometimes because I think last

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upset if I didn't get like napped and go to

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weird kid and also just really easy to deal with

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because I had because I was like, this is what

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where I go to sleep.

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Now, wow, Michelle, Yeah, yeah, I mean I was an

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to sleep. Yeah, Like like it was one of those

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things where it just like I would lay in bed

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at like nine thirty and not fall asleep like it

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was I wasn't trying to stay awake. I just wouldn't

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fall asleep. So eventually I just went to my mom

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going crazy. And to this day, I don't like to

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get into bed unless I am so tired I'm gonna

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fall asleep. Like I cannot stand just laying in bed

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hoping I sleep. Yeah, it makes me feel like trapped.

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in the summertime, when there were no rules, I would

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I would like not sleep for two days just to

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see what it was like.

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I thought everybody pushed that at least once, like wanted

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to see the edge of it.

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No, no, never, no, no never end.

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I'm pretty much exactly the same person that I was

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when I was like like a really little kid. So like,

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I don't do that now. I didn't do that then.

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too scared. Yeah, oh, you read the Russian Sleep Experiment

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too many times?

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Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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So so what's the latest or longest you've ever stayed up? Then?

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I don't know, like not even not even a full day.

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I don't keep track.

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Oh my god, it was awful.

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Yeah, it was horrible.

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Yeah, why why do that?

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no choice at the time because I had the crew

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and cast on like a rotating schedule, and then realized

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I was the only one that didn't rotate. Oh god,

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so we yeah, we worked. It had Maybe it wasn't

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seventy it was definitely seventy ish hours, because it was

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more than two days. So, but like, there's a point

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when you've been awake long enough where like laying down

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in bed isn't even comfortable anymore, Like you really start

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to not feel great. So I like to, like on occasion,

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challenge myself to like stay up all night, but not

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like not two nights, just just like the occasional, like

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this movie marathon is going to go till seven in

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the morning, just every once in a while, like every

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That makes me feel so sad.

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It makes me sad that you've never stayed up like

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for twenty four hours watching movies.

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I wouldn't be able to. I would just fall asleep.

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But that's what body does prod is for? Oh, okay,

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I don't. I don't even know if that would work.

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prodded it and fall back asleep immediately.

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before we get to the spooky News, I want to

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mention our topic for tonight is the shark attacks that

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inspired the film Jaws. Okay, Jaws just celebrate that it's

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fiftieth anniversary, so I thought that would be poignant. But

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also it involves one of your ancestral homelands because it

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was in Jersey.

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Okay, so really my ancestral homeland.

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It's justice, it's just your homeland. Yes, it's just your hometown,

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your home home state. But we're going to talk about that,

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but first we'll do the spooky News right after this,

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and we are back with a very well rested Michelle

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and then me the animal who stays awake.

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I can't believe you've never stayed up You have you

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never stayed up all night?

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Yes? I have never. No, I have never stayed up

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all night?

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I would want to ever do that. No, because I could,

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I could do that in time. I want to.

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it's no, no, No.

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I stayed up last night till almost four in the

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morning watching Bitter Harvest, which is a really weird movie.

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So well, that's fine, but then you went to sleep.

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You never driven through the whole night.

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Man, I've done that. I've done that a few times.

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and like you're racing with the sun rising to your back. Yeah,

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you're like, oh no, oh no. If I could just

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get to bed before the sun's up, I swear I'll sleep.

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when I've driven at night before, it's like fifty well

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not fifty to fifty, but like there's a big percentage

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of the time where like I'm driving at a like

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eleven PM or even like one, and I'm like falling asleep.

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no more driving, Like you definitely can't do an all

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night drive tonight. But I've also done ones where it

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was so late at night that by the time I

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fifteen minutes and wash my face in a bathroom. Wow,

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because that'll get that'll buy you time. Like if you

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wet your your I also learned that if you just

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pour water right on the top of your head, you

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wake up like your natural instinct.

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Uh but drown.

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But like a lot of those like surprises to your system,

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you do it, like by the fourth time, it doesn't

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really do it anymore exactly.

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Gotta you gotta like really pick your battles. But anyway,

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speaking of picking battles, it's time for the spooky news.

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The spooky news. So this one this is a follow

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up from last month because last month we took a

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deep dive into the toxic mushroom murder alleged murder. It's

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a murder in Australia.

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Mm hmm, yeah we did.

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We ended up talking about that for like four segments

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because it was so fascinating and the more we brought up,

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the more we couldn't believe the details we were hearing.

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I was hoping that in a month's time the trial

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would be.

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Over me too, But no, those poor people, I know.

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So if you haven't heard this article, will give some update,

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we'll like run it down. But I found this on NPR.

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Four takeaways from Aaron Patterson's testimony at her toxic mushroom

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triple murder trial. That almost sounds like like a like

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a peace, like a like hipster bar, like the toxic

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mushroom triple trial. I don't know.

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I originally I just thought like it would be a

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good title for a book, like just four takeaways from Yeah,

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I don't know, I like it.

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The Australian woman accused of killing her estranged husband's elderly

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relatives with toxic mushrooms is in a home cooked in

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a home cooked meal, is sharing her story and dropping

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bombshells during multiple days of testimony in court. Aaron Patterson, fifty,

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is accused of intentionally putting death cap mushrooms, which are

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among the most poisonous in the world, in a beef

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Wellington dish she served at a July twenty twenty three

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lunch at her home in the small town of Leongatha,

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some eighty five miles from Melbourne. All four of her

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guests npr is like fund me no. All four of

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her guests, her husband's parents, aunt, and uncle, werespitalized with

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gastro intestinal symptoms the following day, and three of them

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died the following week from altered liver function and multiple

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organ failure due to eminita poisoning mushroom poisoning. So that's

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a pretty good rundown. Yeah, yeah, Patterson was brief. Oh sorry, I.

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Just said that's what happened.

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Yeah, I mean, boy, howdy Patterson, this story is so insane.

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If you didn't listen last month, guys, you need to

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listen to last month at least to hear all the

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poison mushroom info, because we literally we would go to

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break and the moment I broke, I was like, look

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this is I was literally just like this has like

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way more to it, but I want to hear it,

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do you? And you'd be like, yeah, I need to

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know what happens next. Like it was like it was

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such good content, Like you couldn't it would just get

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weirder every time you kept reading.

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Patterson was briefly hospitalized, but did not have the same

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symptoms as her guests. She testified that she vomited later

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that day after eating two thirds of a cake they

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had brought. So she's like, well, they were poisoning me too.

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Yeah, that that cake was got me sick too, or

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maybe that was Maybe she's saying it was the cake.

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It was oh four d chess Yeah.

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Patterson, a mother of two, denies that the poisoning was

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deliberate and has pleaded not guilty to three counts of

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murder and one count of attempted murder. She faces life

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imprisonment if convicted.

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Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Has Patterson's triple triple murder trial. Man, it's all tongue

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twisters today. Tripper triple murder trial in the Victoria State

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Supreme Court unfolds. She admitted to lying about certain details

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of her story uh oh, such as the cancer diagnosis.

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She invited her guests over to tell them about her

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previously undone disclosed mushroom foraging hobby and the fact that

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she had owned a food dehydrator but quickly disposed of

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it during the investigation.

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Okay, okay, so the whole thing with the more the

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mushroom foraging hobby. You're just fucked because that particular mushroom,

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like it's so well known as a poison mushroom, Like

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you're fucked. Sorry, if you really, if you're really into

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like mushroom forging and marcology, she wouldn't know.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, you're really

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you're really into like roots rock, and then you're like,

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I did not recognize the Howlin Wolf record in front

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of me. Wow, way to pick the most identifiable thing me.

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Yeah, yeah, that was really helpful.

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I should have been like pop music and Madonna or something.

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Why do I pick roots rock? Okay, we're gonna take

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a quick break and we'll dive further into these interesting

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elements of Aaron Patterson's trial right after this, and we

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are back looking at some interesting elements of the poison

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mushrooms trial out in Australia. Quote, even after you were

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discharged from the hospital, you did not tell a single

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person that you may have been May have been foraged.

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There may have been foraged mushrooms used in the meal.

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Prosecutor Nannette Rogers asked her Friday, quote, Instead, you got up,

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you drove your children to school, and drove home. Then

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you got rid of the dehydrator.

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M hmm yeah, axually bad.

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Correct, Patterson replied. The trial, which began in April, was

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initially expected to take around six weeks. Just as Christopher

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Beale said Thursday, there are several more steps in the proceedings,

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potentially including hearing new evidence before the jury is sequestered

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for deliberations. Wow. Quote, and then the boot is on

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the other foot, because none of you can tell me

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how long you will be in deliberations, Bille said, how

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long is a piece of string? How will you you

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will take all the time you need.

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I'm sure it. They'll take like ten minutes. And I

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don't like what what part of this.

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They've been deliberating for? I think it's nine days.

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Oh they're they're actually in deliberation right now.

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Right now, right now?

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Oh god, how long.

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Has the Patterson trial been in deliberation? Uh? Oh? Wow?

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Oh wait? No?

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No?

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Uh what?

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Oh?

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Uh?

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So I guess this says that this says they started

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on June twenty sixth. That'll be yesterday. Okay, maybe they

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haven't started deliberation yet. Yeah, yeah, okay, I got confused. Sorry.

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I guess it was that, uh arguments were over or something.

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I'm not a lawyer yet, but I mean maybe well

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in a French guyana I am. But that's a whole

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other conversation. So here are some of the biggest takeaways

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from Patterson's week on the stand. Number one, Patterson complained

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about her in laws behind their backs. Aaron and Simon

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Patterson got married in two thousand and seven, and, after

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splitting and reconciling multiple times over the years, separated permanently

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in twenty fifteen. They remained amicable and in close contact,

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sharing custody of their two children, seeing each other in church,

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and even going on vacations together. Simon was invited to

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the Fateful Lunch, but declined the invitation the night before.

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Some had claimed that he it was because they were

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fighting like they were, that she was becoming unreasonable, was

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the claim.

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I don't know if that held up, But wasn't there

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like a text message from him? Remember, I think, so, Hey,

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I don't want to come because you're insane. Yeah, basically, yeah,

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because I think you're gonna kill me. I'm not gonna come.

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Okay, you keep trying to feed me beef strogan off

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in beef Wellington, anything with mushrooms. Yeah. Yeah, you asked

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me if I wanted a bag of skittles, but it

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was just pieces of mushrooms in a bag with Skittles

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written on it, with the s backwards. Patterson was also

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on good terms with her in laws, Gaale and Donald Patterson,

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both seventies, saying in court that they quote treated me

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like their own daughter, but prosecutors and Patterson herself acknowledged

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that her relationship with Simon started deteriorating in twenty twenty two.

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Patterson said, after noticing that he described himself as single

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on his tax return, I mean he is, I mean

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are they? Are they still legally married? Well? Even if

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they were, well, but here's the thing. If you declare

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yourself single on your tax return but you're legally married,

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you're only screwing yourself because you get tax benefits for

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being married. M potentially depends on how much money people

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are making. But I'm just and it's Australia.

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Yeah, so we don't really know what Australia law is

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with that kind of stuff.

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I would bet it's somewhat similar to here, somewhat I'm not.

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I'm just saying, like, what would be the benefit of

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claiming your single on your tax return?

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Really because you're single and you don't want to lie.

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Oh, I'm just saying, like, uh, but if you were

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married but you said you were single, I feel like

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that would that would actually just like you can file

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ye separately or jointly. That's all I'm saying is That's

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what I was getting at, is that, Yeah, it's like,

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I don't think you're stealing benefits by claiming you're not married.

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She asked him to start paying child support at that point,

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which he did.

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Okay, I understand, Yeah.

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But they continued to fight over related issues, including which

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school their kids should attend and who should pay the fees.

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Both of you, both of you should pay the fees.

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I should mention that it may be that they in

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Australia they acknowledge like domestic partnerships and it may have

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hurt her to then have to file single. Yeah, yeah,

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it could be something along those lines, because then she's like, well,

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then pay me child support. So on Thursday, Rogers asked

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Patterson to read from signal. She was using signal. Maybe

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signals more common and popular in Australia. Are you familiar

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with signal?

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I am familiar with signal because I know about all

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sorts of scams because I'm on the scam redded.

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We should start communicating on signal.

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We're cool, Yeah, let's do it. Okay, I want you

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to to buy I have this really good investment. Can

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you buy it in bitcoins?

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Oh? Uh, well bitcoins a little reugher me right now?

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Would Walmart if cards be okay?

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No, because for this, like we need to it's like

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an investment. So you can use another kind of uh

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you know, like cryptocurrency like the other coin or one more,

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whichever one you want. You just have to give it

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to me and then we'll see if we can invest

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it in the thing, the good thing that made me

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a lot of money, so much money that I am

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telling you about it and then you know it'll be fine.

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But we have to talk about it on signal because

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I don't want to live.

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Of course. Signal is like a very privacy focused app h.

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So that's uh and yeah, it's full of scammers because

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it's also international app like What's App. You know, people

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get scammed on What's App all the time too.

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I don't think they do scams on What's App as

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much anymore. Yeah, it's yeah, so it's signaling that other one.

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I can't remember it now, tell it telegram.

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Yeah, I don't know if it's Graham or crap. I

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get confused. My mom always almost scammed on that. I

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mean not really. In fact, she was like the person

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was like, hey, I have the wrong number, you know,

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and she's like, oh, you have the wrong number, and

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they were talking to her and she was like so

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tired of talking to them, and then they were like,

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let's move it to telegram and she was like, I

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don't even want to talk to you.

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Like my favorite is. I get those like a couple

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times a week, and I often send you screenshots because

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I reply like unhinged. Yeah. They respond as if you're

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giving normal average replies.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So they'll be like, you know, is this Tina And

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I'm like, yes, this is Tina, and we're not friends anymore.

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They're like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry I have

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the wrong number. I'm so sorry. I bothered you. You

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seem nice though, what's your name? It's always stuff like that,

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and then sometimes they'll be like, let me show you

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a picture of me, and it's always like some flawless

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looking Asian woman. Yeah.

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Yeah, there was one recently that you sent me where

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like the person said, Okay, are you this person or

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this person? And you just said like both or like

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yes or something, I.

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Am both of them. Uh. It was more fun when

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scams weren't automated.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this is where automation really is ruining the quality

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of life. It's not an employment. It's not in art,

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it's in scam phone calls and scam text messages.

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Yeah.

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What I wanted from them, oh quote. What I wanted

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for them, whether I communicated it well or not, was

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I wanted Don and Gale to help Simon and I

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communicate better about it. Patterson said. I thought if Simon

474
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:47.119
knew that Don and Gale knew how he was behaving,

475
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:48.880
he might change his behavior.

476
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:52.920
So I killed them.

477
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.000
Patterson denied that she was asking her in laws to

478
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.920
make Simon pay for school fees, but Don and Gale

479
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:06.960
took Simon's side, which prosecutors alleged made Patterson angry. Yeah,

480
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.000
we're gonna take a quick break. I don't know. I'm

481
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.960
gonna ride this mushroom story as long as we can

482
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.200
because this is fascinating stuff. So we'll be back with

483
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.440
more of this and other spooky news right after a moment.

484
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:33.599
All right, we're back and this. You know, there's a

485
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.680
saying that this story really applies to, which is and

486
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.400
oh my god, and it's a pun. This story really

487
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.519
makes its own gravy, which is extra funny because it's

488
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.160
a beef Wellington. I didn't even when I first thought

489
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.039
of that, that wasn't the pun wasn't in there. Yeah,

490
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.160
it was just this story makes its own gravy because

491
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.599
it's like, the more you read it, the more you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

492
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.799
keep going what is this? On Friday, the prosecution asked

493
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.400
Patterson about Facebook messages she sent to friends in late

494
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:12.559
twenty twenty two complaining about Simon's parents, including quote, Don

495
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.759
messaged me to say he and Gail don't want to

496
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.880
get involved in the financial things, but just hope we

497
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:23.839
will pray for the kids. Well pray, Okay, that's a weirdly,

498
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:25.440
that's a weirdly.

499
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.480
Phrase yeah really weird.

500
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.839
Alongside what she disputes was an I rolling emoji. So

501
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.240
she did an irolling emoji. She says, that's not what

502
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:40.200
that was. That was just eyes the best person. She's like,

503
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.319
it wasn't an I don't know, just wait, this is

504
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.079
so good. She disputes it was an irolling emoji. But

505
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.359
then elsewhere she wrote, this family, I swear to fucking

506
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.559
God sounds like iroll kind of commentary right there. This family,

507
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:01.880
I swear to fucking God, this story, I swear to

508
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.599
fucking God. Really quote. I thought his parents would want

509
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.839
him to do the right thing, but it seems they're

510
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.200
concerned about not wanting to feel uncomfortable and not wanting

511
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.279
to get involved in their son's personal matters are overriding that.

512
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.599
So fuck them. She they fed another message. See what

513
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.720
I mean? You hear like. She says that it was

514
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.680
an accident and that she loved her parents anyway. Here

515
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.480
are messages of her like I'm waiting for one to

516
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.279
say like I swear, I'm waiting for one to be like.

517
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.720
The court then presented I swear to God, I'm going

518
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.680
to feed them poison mushrooms until they all die and

519
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.039
then I'll lie about it in court, Like I'm waiting

520
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.200
for that to like to see what it means. Yeah.

521
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:38.880
Yeah.

522
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.319
Under questioning, Patterson denied that the messages reflected her true

523
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.079
feelings about Don and Gail and said she was simply venting.

524
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.559
Sure, yeah, I mean I believe she was venting. But

525
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.359
I also believe that she was upset with them.

526
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.440
I also believe that she murdered them.

527
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.680
Maybe she didn't, maybe that maybe this is maybe she's

528
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.960
been set up. Oh my god, this is the most

529
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.119
elaborate setup.

530
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.200
I'm waiting for the where's the venting messages? Like, oh

531
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.119
my god, I never even meant to kill them. I

532
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.559
had no idea about the mushers. Where are those venting messages? Yeah? Yeah,

533
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.200
But Rogers accused her of having quote two faces, a

534
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.920
public face of appearing to have a good relationship with

535
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.680
Don and Gale, and a private face reflected in her

536
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:32.119
Facebook messages Facebook face quote are you asking I just

537
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.559
picked up on what you said? Are you asking me

538
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.160
to agree if I had two faces? Patterson replied before answering,

539
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.319
I had a good relationship with Don and Gail. Oh

540
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.279
and the article, just to make sure you really get

541
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:46.079
like socked in the lungs. Here's a picture of their

542
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:53.920
joint cemetery plot. Oh, their joint grave marker number two.

543
00:30:54.400 --> 00:31:01.519
Patterson denies telling her guests she had cancer. Prosecutors say

544
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.880
Patterson invited Don and Gail Patterson, as well as Gail's sister,

545
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.920
Heather Wilkinson sixty six, and her husband, Ian Wilkinson sixty eight,

546
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.400
over for lunch to discuss some medical issues she was

547
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.519
facing and how to break the news to her kids,

548
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.880
whom she dropped off for lunch in a movie with

549
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.920
a friend before her guests arrived. Now that's one of

550
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:27.599
the big things about this is the adult's only lunch.

551
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.680
I'm curious if she actually will say, like what it

552
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:38.200
was about then, right, because she had originally like they

553
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.440
had postulated that she said like somebody claimed she said

554
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.200
she had cancer, but apparently she didn't say it in writing,

555
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.400
like she just said it over the phone, and that

556
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:49.960
they need to discussed. So I'm curious if she's gonna

557
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.079
be like, no, it was to discuss X, Y and Z. Yeah.

558
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.839
Based on accounts from Ian Wilkinson, the sole survivor, Patterson

559
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.160
told the group at lunch that she had been diagnos

560
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.279
with cancer after noticing a bump on her elbow and

561
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.279
asked for advice on whether to tell her kids. So

562
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:14.599
we have a witness that she said she had cancer. Yeah,

563
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.680
I mean, granted, it's like she did kill his like

564
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.119
parents and his wife. Yeah, but also almost killed him,

565
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.519
I mean like, and then magically she never got sick,

566
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.720
supposedly eating the same food as them, even though it

567
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.720
was noticed that she used different cookwear or different platewear.

568
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.440
And hopefully that comes up to this is so freaking crazy.

569
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.680
In court on Thursday, Patterson acknowledged that she had misled

570
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.000
Gail about the lump on her elbow in the weeks

571
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.799
before the lunch and didn't have medical issues to communicate

572
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.119
either to her guests or her kids.

573
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.799
Okay, so she's saying that she lied.

574
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.759
Quote, I didn't have a legitimate medical No, that's true,

575
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.519
Patterson said. When asked directly, Patterson repeatedly denied telling her

576
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.319
guests that she had cancer, contradicting Wilkinson's version of events,

577
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.319
but she admitted that at the end of the lunch quote,

578
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.720
I'm not proud of this, but I led them to

579
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:23.720
believe that I might be needing some treatment. Following up

580
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.519
on a previous ovarian cancer scare.

581
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.559
So she led them, tell you that she has cancer.

582
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.000
Oh yeah, well wait, wait to hear this lawyery gobbledegook. Quote.

583
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.440
I can't remember the precise words, but I do know

584
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.960
that I was trying to communicate was that I was

585
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:46.400
undergoing investigations around ovarian cancer and might need treatment in

586
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.599
that regard in the future. She said. I can't say

587
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.680
that that was the specific words I used, but that's

588
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.680
what I remember wanting to communicate.

589
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:58.359
So she died.

590
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.759
Yea, she lied, She lied. Patterson said she had long

591
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.759
struggled with low self esteem because of her weight, and

592
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.240
had made an appointment for that September to look into

593
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:13.559
gastric bypass surgery. Okay, well, maybe that's why she didn't

594
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.800
eat her portion of that beef Wellington that killed nearly everybody.

595
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.039
Is that she was watching her.

596
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.800
Figure, but she ate it. She just it just didn't

597
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.000
have the poison mustaurants apparently.

598
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.039
Quote. I was really embarrassed about it, So I thought

599
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.119
perhaps letting them believe I had some serious issue that

600
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.000
needed treatment might mean they'd be able to help me

601
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.800
with the logistics around the kids, and I wouldn't have

602
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.119
to tell them the real reason she said.

603
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:47.320
That's no, that's terrible. That's even if that were true,

604
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.360
that's terrible. It's like, oh, I probably have cancer, but

605
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.039
you're just gonna get geist gastric bypass surgery. I mean

606
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.920
that's a big deal too.

607
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.719
But like, yeah, what the fuck, dude, I this is

608
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.079
not looking good. I mean, like do they have like yeah,

609
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.159
it doesn't sound like there's any evidence to prove what

610
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.880
she's saying either, like she didn't see a gastric bypass

611
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:13.599
surgeon or anything. Rogers suggested that Patterson never planned to

612
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.280
account for her cancer lie because quote, you thought that

613
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:23.599
the lunch guests would die, to which Patterson replied, that's

614
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.199
not true.

615
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.119
I only hoped they would die. And it was a

616
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:31.000
paz though.

617
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:36.199
Well, it gets even weirder in just a second. But

618
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.639
we're gonna take a quick break it. We'll be back Australia.

619
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:54.800
Man, I don't even know, and we're back with.

620
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.840
This death cat bushroom story. It really it's the story

621
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:56.840
that keeps on giving.

622
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:58.199
Yeah.

623
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.320
Number three in the four things we learned from testimony,

624
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.320
Patterson accepts that there were death cap mushrooms in the food.

625
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.119
Patterson said Tuesday that she accepts there must have been

626
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.480
death cap mushrooms in the meal she made, and admission

627
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:23.159
she had long withheld. In the immediate aftermath of the incident,

628
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.800
Patterson told doctors and investigators that she used two kinds

629
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.159
of mushrooms for her dish, fresh from the grocery store

630
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.079
and dried from a Chinese grocer in the area, though

631
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:40.639
she couldn't remember which one. M h you know, not

632
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.159
trying to be a jerk, but if I could if

633
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.760
I went to a store and I couldn't remember which one,

634
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.800
I could like find it though, you know what I mean,

635
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.320
Like if you was just like a walk up shop,

636
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.760
I'd be like, I'm pretty sure I could, like if

637
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.599
you took me where it was, though, I could be like,

638
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:58.039
that's the.

639
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.960
One, Yeah, I mean, I would like, I don't I probably.

640
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.360
I doubt I would go to like more than one

641
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:09.000
of these Chinese grocery stores, like I would might. I

642
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:10.840
might be like, I don't remember what it's called, but

643
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.360
it's the one that's like on city line over there.

644
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.199
There may be like a whole spread of Chinese grocery

645
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.679
options in certain areas. Because you remember Australia is very

646
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.760
close to China. There's a lot of Chinese influence in

647
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:27.480
Australian culture. So I'm not like, I'm just saying like

648
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.800
it could be like a Chinatown kind of situation, you know,

649
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.679
where it's like there's a bunch of little markets. That's

650
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.440
why I was saying, like, but you could like take

651
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:36.519
me there and I could be like, Oh, it was

652
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:41.199
that one because I have object permanence. I remember walking

653
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.239
to a place and asking for a thing.

654
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:44.679
Maybe she doesn't have that.

655
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.559
Maybe she doesn't just like she doesn't have cancer.

656
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.440
Oh cancer in your.

657
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.320
Face, not you, but her. In interviews with police, she

658
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:02.519
denied owning a dehydrator and denied foraging for mushrooms. On

659
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.719
the opening day of the trial, however, her lawyer, Colin Mandy,

660
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.360
confirmed that those had been lies, but said Patterson quote

661
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.719
denies that she ever deliberately sought out death cap mushrooms.

662
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:18.440
Wow okay.

663
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.360
Patterson said on the stand that she started foraging for

664
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.679
mushrooms that trails and botanical gardens in her area in

665
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.760
early twenty twenty, and joined Facebook groups to identify and

666
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.480
learn about different kinds. Oh, you're shaking your head. Why

667
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:34.480
are you shaking your head? Oh?

668
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.320
Because that just makes her look worse because I've been

669
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.800
on face book groups that identify mushrooms and they were

670
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.480
always trying to identify death caps and stuff, So I

671
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.880
don't know much worse.

672
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.960
Yeah, no, it's way worse. The Victorian government issued a

673
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.880
warning in early twenty twenty three that death cap mushrooms

674
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.480
were growing in the region. Patterson repeatedly said she couldn't

675
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.800
remember using the naturalists website that marked where the toxic

676
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:08.079
mushrooms had been found. Patterson acknowledged buying a food dehydrator

677
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.440
in April of twenty twenty three, but denied prosecutor's allegation

678
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.400
that she traveled to a nearby town to collect death

679
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.760
cap mushrooms that same month. She admitted to disposing of

680
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.039
the device after the lunch, but said she didn't know

681
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.880
death cap mushrooms had been in it. I think she

682
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.320
dehydrated the mushrooms in part to make them a peer

683
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:31.920
store bought.

684
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.760
I think she did it because she didn't know when

685
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:36.920
she was gonna need them.

686
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.039
That could be too yeah, she said while she was

687
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.920
preparing the beef wellington, which is typically coated in mushroom

688
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.440
paste and wrapped in pastry, quote, it seemed a little

689
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.719
bland to me, so I decided to put in the

690
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.760
dried mushrooms that i'd bought from the grocer that still

691
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.039
had that I still had plenty and it still had

692
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.960
in the pantry. So I guess she'd never eaten them

693
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.000
before that because she's still alive.

694
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.239
Yeah.

695
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.280
Quote, I didn't deliberately put death cap mushrooms in the meal,

696
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.719
Patterson said, but acknowledge she now thinks there was a

697
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.199
chance that some of her foraged mushrooms were also in

698
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.519
that tupperware. Oh my god. So now it's like, but

699
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.159
maybe I did buy things from the grocer I can't remember.

700
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.159
But also maybe the mushrooms I foraged were deadly.

701
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.559
Yeah, and I just had them in the same place

702
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.119
as the ular mushrooms.

703
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:36.400
Yeah, that makes sense. She said. The possibility only occurred

704
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.239
to her days later, as her relatives' conditions deteriorated and

705
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:46.199
toxicology tests confirmed death cap mushroom poisoning. She said she

706
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.639
was talking to Simon in the hospital when the topic

707
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.679
of her dehydrator came up and he asked, is that

708
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:58.360
how you poisoned my parents? Ooh based. She said his

709
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.679
comment got her thinking about how she had dried foraged

710
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.159
mushrooms and it's weeks earlier. Quote. I was starting to think,

711
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.159
what if they'd gone in the container with the Chinese mushrooms.

712
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.840
Maybe that had happened. Why would you mix mushroom? It's

713
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:14.880
just this is so stupid.

714
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.119
Well, I mean, I guess she could if she thought

715
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.639
that they were all edible, But why would she? This

716
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.639
doesn't make any sense. No, why would you take death

717
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.199
cab mushrooms, dehydrate them and then put them with the food, well.

718
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.440
Or just mushrooms you foraged. Why would you deforage dehydrated

719
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.280
mushrooms with store bought ones from a different Like she

720
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.960
just said she used the dehydrated Chinese mushrooms to make

721
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.519
it taste more interesting. M Why would you mix up

722
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.599
your mushrooms like?

723
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.840
I mean, I guess if she if she thought that

724
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.800
they were all edible and she already had some dried,

725
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.880
it'd be weird if she was like, oh, I'll just

726
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.960
add different kinds of mushrooms. But maybe she was just

727
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.880
like making a mushroom mix of mixed mushroom.

728
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.960
Yeah, deadly mix of mixed mushrooms. Yeah. Patterson added it

729
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:07.519
made her feel quote really worried because child protection were involved,

730
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.159
and Simon seemed to be of the mind that maybe

731
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:16.280
this was intentional. I just got really scared, okay, yea

732
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.719
and number four, Patterson says she lied to authorities out

733
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.400
of fear. Prosecutors said that even as doctors confirmed the

734
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.119
patients were suffering from quote serious toxin syndrome caused by

735
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.519
ingestin of Aminita falloid's mushrooms, they did not immediately receive

736
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.079
the antidote because there was a lack of evidence to

737
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:43.239
confirm they had ingested such mushrooms. On Friday, Patterson confirmed

738
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.079
she did not tell anyone about the possibility of the

739
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:50.960
contaminated mushrooms. Rogers asked why she didn't alert medical authorities

740
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.440
as soon as it occurred to her on August first. Quote,

741
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.880
I had been told that people were getting treatment for

742
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:02.320
possible DEATHCAF mushroom poisoning, Patterson, And so that was already happening.

743
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.880
So she claims that since they were already that she

744
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.880
was told they were getting treatment, she didn't bother telling

745
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.599
them that maybe I accidentally fed them mushrooms I didn't

746
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.599
know the source of Yeah. Instead, she confirmed that the

747
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.480
next day, she drove her kids to school, came home

748
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.400
and got rid of the dehydrator, taking it to what's

749
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.000
called a tip or a second hand store at a

750
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:31.920
waste facility. Heather Wilkinson and Heather Wilkinson and Gail Patterson

751
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.440
died on August fourth, and Donald Patterson died the following day.

752
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.320
Ian Wilkinson was extabated on August fourteenth and discharged to

753
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.320
rehab on September eleventh. Man, that's a long time in

754
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.519
the hospital. She said she disposed of the high dehydrator

755
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.480
quote in the context of thinking that maybe mushrooms that

756
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.119
I'd foraged or the meal I prepared was responsible for

757
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.840
making people sick, and that after she learned of the

758
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.159
deaths quote, it was this stupid knee jerk reaction to

759
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.280
just dig deeper and keep lying.

760
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:05.320
Mm hmm.

761
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.159
So you took it to a secondhand store, waste facility

762
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.960
place where possibly people could have like maybe used it

763
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.320
to die, to like get contaminated.

764
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.679
I mean, realistically, no, that's not gonna happen.

765
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.679
But yeah, no, because she murdered them on purpose.

766
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.920
Oh yeah, but no. But even if she if she

767
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.119
brought it to a secondhand waste store, whatever that means,

768
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.920
if it was cleaned, it's not hurt anybody.

769
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.239
Quote I was just scared, but I shouldn't have done it,

770
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.199
she added. Patterson also said she did a factory reset

771
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.119
of her cell phone during the police investigation because quote,

772
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.000
I knew that there were photos in there of mushrooms

773
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.199
and the dehydrator, and I just panicked and didn't want

774
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:54.800
detectives to see them.

775
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.000
So like there's a photo of her just like with

776
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.320
the death caps, like with the thumbs up, like putting

777
00:44:59.360 --> 00:44:59.679
it in a.

778
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.760
Just all smiles.

779
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:04.360
Yeah.

780
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.199
That didn't stop prosecutors from showing photos taken on her

781
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.920
phone in April of twenty twenty three depicting wild mushrooms

782
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.920
being weighed on a scale. They suggested Patterson had done

783
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.360
so to calculate a lethal dose, which she deny.

784
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.559
I I don't think that's true. I think she was no,

785
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.599
oh no, I think she's just weighing them. I don't

786
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.559
think she was trying to calculate a lethal dose. They're

787
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:32.719
pretty easy to kill you.

788
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:35.920
I mean, but she and she seems like such a

789
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.320
like a MENSA candidate, so you know, she's definitely smart.

790
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.719
Yeah, I don't know. I just think that that's an

791
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.800
overstep like that, that's just kind of bullshit.

792
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.480
Yeah, I mean Yeah, the prosecution's job is to just

793
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.280
make a case. So well, we're going to take a

794
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.880
quick break and we will I promise next month we

795
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.760
will hopefully tell you the final results of this whole

796
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:01.960
court case, because I need to know, Yeah, what's gonna happen.

797
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.159
But when we get back, we're going to cover a

798
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:10.679
story about living in a cemetery alongside corpses. Yay, right

799
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:24.119
after this, all right, we are back and headed to

800
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:31.400
of course Mirror dot co dot uk and this one

801
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.880
the headline. Whoa, it's a good one. Inside world's creepiest

802
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:42.920
island with one hundred and sixty thousand corpses, which tourists

803
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:44.400
are banned from.

804
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.679
I mean there's a lot of islands with like lots

805
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:48.480
of corpses.

806
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.840
I mean it depends on what you define as an island.

807
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.920
I feel like that. Oh fine, then there's lot. No.

808
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.880
Uh, this island is not huge. I'll show you a

809
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:04.320
picture of it, cell.

810
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:10.000
I mean it's it's pretty normal sized for an island.

811
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.360
Yeah. Is that like the kind of the size of

812
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.320
island you prefer, Like, that's a that's a good island.

813
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.239
I make it a little bit smaller, but it's fine.

814
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:25.800
Yeah, Okay, well Fair fair So, a tiny island known

815
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.599
as the creepiest in the world, has banned adventurous tourists

816
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.559
from ever entering the chilling site. The small patch of

817
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.039
land just off the coast of one of Italy's most

818
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.639
famous cities. Are they gonna say which one has a

819
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.719
chilling history? Which has given it? Given it it's now

820
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:52.519
scary reputation. The island of uh Pavaglia Paviglia, that would

821
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.800
be Italian Paviglia sits just off the coast of the

822
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.480
historic and picture picturesque city of Venice and is made

823
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.159
up of three three areas, each as frightening as each other.

824
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.679
The abandoned island, dubbed I know, that's a weird way

825
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.519
to put it, dubbed the Island of Ghosts, is filled

826
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.639
with derelict buildings that have been left to fall apart

827
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:19.199
and crumble, including a former military fort.

828
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:20.639
Yeah.

829
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.480
It looks kind of like Alcatraz, except with more trees.

830
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.639
You know, it's a very small island. I mean you

831
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:32.760
could see one side almost from the other. Wow, the

832
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.320
inside's gross. These unsteady and unsafe buildings have resulted in

833
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.760
the strict band that prohibits terists from visiting the spooky Island.

834
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.199
Limited exceptions are made to the strict rule for things

835
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:50.760
like research or filming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, filming, I mean,

836
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.320
like fair enough. The abandoned island gained its chilling reputation

837
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:59.159
from its wretched history and use in the past. The

838
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.639
island was a quarantine zone during the eighteenth century for

839
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.679
people who were infected with the plague.

840
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.079
Which one?

841
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.280
There are a lot of good plagues, you know, Like,

842
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.360
I'm not sure which one anymore. Oh, wait, no, it's

843
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:17.320
the big one. Desperate people were desperate. People were forcibly

844
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.760
taken to to the island, often against their free will,

845
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.880
when they started to present the horrifying symptoms of the

846
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:30.159
black death. Okay, so the big one, the bat.

847
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.599
That's is the black death, the bubonic.

848
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.199
Plag I'm pretty sure that's the bubonic plague. But now

849
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:37.599
you're making me doubt myself.

850
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.519
Yeah, I'm because I'm I think so, cause you.

851
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.519
Get yeah, well it was a bubonic plague because there

852
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.159
were several Oh that's nice, but I think that was

853
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.360
the biggest one. That's nice. Jeez.

854
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.199
Yeah, you can be treated for that kind of stuff now,

855
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:54.639
so I'm not really scared of it.

856
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:57.639
No, it's more. It's more of the fact that it

857
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:07.960
like literally decimated, you know places. That's the part that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, ah,

858
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.800
the black I want to mention I cleaned this up

859
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:11.119
a little bit, by the way, because it said the

860
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.960
Deadly Black Death was the scriptor of the Mirror gave it.

861
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.639
The eighteen acre island turned from a quarantine zone and

862
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.159
into a mass gravesite where around one hundred and sixty

863
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.079
thousand victims of the deadly disease died and were then buried.

864
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:34.519
That sounds like a lot of people for eighteen acres. Mmm. Okay,

865
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:35.960
you're like, no, that sounds right to me.

866
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.400
Bro sounds to me.

867
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.079
Local legends about the tragic island have said it is

868
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.760
believed over fifty percent of the island soil today has

869
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.079
been made up of ash. Okay, so they were cremating

870
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.480
a lot of people. That would make more sense. Yeah,

871
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:58.519
and decomposed body parts from the thousands of people who

872
00:50:58.599 --> 00:50:59.880
horribly died there.

873
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.880
So some of them were premade in some of them weren't.

874
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.920
I mean, there's only so many hours in a day, all.

875
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:13.559
Right, Yeah, I guess I mean no, no, there are

876
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.119
more hours in a day. Do you think you set

877
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:16.800
them on fire, right.

878
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:19.360
I mean, I guess it's that simple.

879
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.920
I think it is.

880
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.440
You worry me. You really should use signal to communicate

881
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.840
from now on. Despite the strict no visitors rule for

882
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.760
the tiny island, two British explorers Matt Nadine Naden and

883
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.760
Andy Thompson, posted a video of themselves visiting the site

884
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.079
in twenty twenty on their YouTube channel Finders Beeper's History Seekers.

885
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.639
The UK is weird. The traveling duo said the island

886
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:54.599
was quote really really eerie, oh, and added that it

887
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.039
was full of dark history. Matt said, quote, the island

888
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:04.920
is so full of dark, dark history. It's like those

889
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.800
those movie trailer parodies where it's like he was a

890
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:11.679
spy destined to die. I'm a spy destined to die,

891
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.480
you know.

892
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.679
Yeah.

893
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.679
A hell of a lot of people died there, and

894
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.039
you really get a sense of the horrors that took

895
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:26.719
place there while you're walking around. They burnt all the

896
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.119
bodies and left them where they lay. How do you

897
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.559
what all the bodies and left them where they lay.

898
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.079
Yeah, because they weren't totally burned because when you you know,

899
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:39.719
like the bones and stuff were still there.

900
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:46.079
Yeah. Huh. Yeah, the island has never really been cleared

901
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:50.119
properly or anything, so everything has just been left. Later on,

902
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.320
when it was turned into an asylum, and because people

903
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.639
were shoved there out of the way of prying eyes,

904
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.159
they started to do experiments on them. Horrible, horrible stuff

905
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.920
the articles, but nothing about it being an asylum.

906
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:04.320
Yeah.

907
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.760
Yeah, whilst we were there, we heard the bell toll

908
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.800
and that was quite spooky. That did actually freak me

909
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:14.159
out a little bit. It was like an omen or something.

910
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.039
The whole place was just really weird and eerie, although

911
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.400
you could tell from the tiles and the archway it

912
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.360
would have been a beautiful building originally, you know, originally

913
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.360
when all the horrors were happening, but it.

914
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.239
Was really pretty there. It's fine. Yeah.

915
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.480
Also, was the bell? Was there a bell? The bell

916
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.400
still tolls on the island. I mean that seems weird.

917
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.559
I mean maybe it's some montimer. I don't know how

918
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:40.039
it works.

919
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.559
Somebody would have to be maintaining it somewhat, that is

920
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:43.159
all I'm saying.

921
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.960
Well, I'm not saying, well we didn't Just because you're

922
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.639
not allowed to go there, it doesn't mean that someone

923
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:49.320
doesn't own it and take care of it.

924
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.119
Yeah, it's not like that cemetery outside of Philly.

925
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:52.840
Yeah.

926
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.239
Is that Mount Mariah?

927
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.679
Yeah, and it's in Philly, well, part of it's outside

928
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
of Philly. It's different counties.

929
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.239
Yeah, that's one of the only cemeteries have ever been

930
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:02.800
in that. You could like if there's a point where

931
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.119
you can look every direction and only see cemetery.

932
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:09.000
Mm hmm yeah, cool, it is cool.

933
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.679
I want to go to Colma, California. It's a town

934
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.360
that's basically one giant cemetery.

935
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:14.519
Yay.

936
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.199
I've heard it's beautiful, but it's like owned by people,

937
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:18.639
so like it's it's nice.

938
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:23.159
So so can you live in it? I'm confused.

939
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.599
Uh, I think there are houses in Coolma.

940
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.920
Technically in the cemetery.

941
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:31.800
I don't think in the literal cemetery.

942
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.920
I'm sorry, I get it. I don't want to go.

943
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.360
Quote you can see the hardly anyone that's set foot

944
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.400
there for years because there is no graffiti or anything.

945
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:46.480
It's all just natural decay. They should put them there, right, Yeah,

946
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:49.199
spray painting big dongs and stuff.

947
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:50.000
Yeah.

948
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.280
Incredible images of the derelict island show how decades of

949
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.960
no human activity on the site allowed for nature to

950
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.800
take over and sprawl around and into the crumbling buildings.

951
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.599
M hm, okay, that's creepy island. Thanks weird dot co

952
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.559
doat UK. You're you're really useful.

953
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.239
It's like it's it's not like they're telling us this

954
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:13.440
so the island can make money because no one's allowed

955
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.880
to go there. So I guess they just wanted to

956
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:18.360
tell us.

957
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.800
I guess so. I mean it was food for thought.

958
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.599
So h we're gonna take a quick break and then

959
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.559
we're going to talk about the box demon spotted in

960
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.920
Philadelphia or in Pennsylvania rather. Oh no, I'm sad right

961
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:47.480
after this and we're back now this one. I'm surprised, Shelle.

962
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.239
Have you you've not heard about the Pennsylvania doorbell demon

963
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.000
box demon?

964
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:56.119
I don't think so. I don't know.

965
00:55:58.840 --> 00:55:59.960
You gotta stay plugged in.

966
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.880
Man, does it live in the doorbell or no?

967
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:09.000
No, it's a weird porch thing. Oh this is from

968
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.840
Fox twenty nine dot com. Oh box yeah, yeah, North

969
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:19.159
York County. Okay, box demon seen on Pennsylvania doorbell camera

970
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:25.159
identified by police. The mystery of who was behind the

971
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.760
paper mask is over. I'll show you. So it's like

972
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.119
it's literally a paper plate face. Oh it's like a

973
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.719
paper plate, fat flower with a face on it.

974
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:38.599
It's so cute.

975
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.280
Oh well then you won't mind if it's on your Well,

976
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.119
you don't have a ring doorbell camera, that would be

977
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.039
the creepiest part. What if What if you like got

978
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:48.800
a ding and went, oh my god, there's someone creepy

979
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:52.760
on my ring doorbell and I don't have a ring doorbell. Yeah,

980
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:56.480
app on my phone and installed the camera. Is it

981
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:04.639
connected to my Amazon account? The box Demon introduced themselves

982
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.639
on Monday night in an unsettling doorbell video that was

983
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.079
later shared by the Northern York Police Department. Quote, I

984
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.440
am the box Demon. I am the box Demon, a

985
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.400
voice is heard saying from behind a handmade paper mask.

986
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:26.280
Sounds terrifying. Police said the person left behind a large,

987
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.039
empty cardboard box and walked away from the home.

988
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:32.880
So they just put a box there.

989
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:35.639
It sounds more like a box ferry. If you're like

990
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.239
leaving a box, it's like, here's a box. Perhaps it's useful.

991
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.920
Yeah, I thought that they were stealing packages.

992
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.519
No, that's a porch pirate misconception.

993
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.199
Maybe they're a box demon thing now too.

994
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.000
I don't know less than twenty four hours after the

995
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.360
disturbing doorbell camera video gained national attention, police say they

996
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:02.320
have identified the person behind the mask. Investigators did not

997
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.679
publicly share the person's identity and said there is no

998
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:10.639
threat to the public. The homeowner was made aware of

999
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.119
the update and told police they did not wish to

1000
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:17.679
speak further about the incident. Gosh, this, everybody's like really

1001
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:19.119
being lame about this.

1002
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.719
Yeah.

1003
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:23.880
While the mystery of the person behind the mask is over,

1004
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.920
the reason why the box demon visited the house remains unanswered.

1005
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:33.039
So it was just one house.

1006
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:40.440
Yeah, what a great headline. Box demon seen on Pennsylvania

1007
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:44.480
doorbell camera. I mean, I can see if we can

1008
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:51.079
find a box demon follow up. Nope.

1009
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.840
Yeah, I don't even know that they broke any.

1010
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.880
Laws, honestly trespassing.

1011
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:03.760
I don't think going as one's porch is trespassing. Okay,

1012
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.000
if it was, then all those people who are trying

1013
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.400
to get me to switch energy companies would be in trouble.

1014
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.079
Well, I guess it's once you ask someone to leave,

1015
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:17.599
then it becomes trespassing. Yeah, if they don't leave, I mean, yeah,

1016
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:19.559
that'd be epic if it didn't matter whether you left

1017
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.320
or not. You're just like, please leave, and then they

1018
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.679
leave and you're like you're trespassingly. Get arrested, it doesn't matter.

1019
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:33.760
Oh my lord. Uh yeah, that's oh box demon and all.

1020
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.920
They I guess they could get in trouble for for littering,

1021
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:38.519
for just leaving the box.

1022
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.840
That would be littering. Yeah, because it is just like

1023
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:46.800
a big empty box. It's a weird one, I'll say that. So.

1024
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.880
But speaking of weird and unusual, the weather has been

1025
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:57.239
in Ohio has been a little bit odd. We've been

1026
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.880
getting a lot of like severe thunderstorms out of nowhere.

1027
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.079
No tornadoes, thank goodness, but we've gotten like a lot

1028
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.199
of like severe thought like yesterday we had a severe

1029
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.280
thunderstorm come out of nowhere, and the day before too,

1030
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.719
like just yeah, severe thunderstorms. I found this story and

1031
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.119
I thought this was actually kind of a feel good story.

1032
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.400
Oh and we try to have a few weird stories

1033
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.280
that aren't sad or miserable.

1034
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.519
Oh.

1035
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:27.079
So, this one's from the Guardian dot com. Tornado tortoise

1036
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:32.239
reunited with its family a month after deadly US storms.

1037
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:35.960
Day A pet.

1038
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:40.039
Tortoise who was displaced from its families home during a

1039
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.519
deadly outbreak of tornadoes in Mississippi was recently reunited with

1040
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.079
its people. Yay, you don't think that's cool that, like,

1041
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.000
the tortoise was found and is okay.

1042
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.800
I'm glad that they were found in Okay? But did

1043
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.599
they want to be with those people? Were they trying

1044
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:57.519
to escape?

1045
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:58.920
It's a tortoise.

1046
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:01.960
Yeah, Uh, I don't know.

1047
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:03.360
I think the tortoise looks happy.

1048
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:08.119
You can't tell what it's like to clearly happy. That

1049
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:10.760
tortoise is crying for help.

1050
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.719
It's literally eating something while being held by a lady

1051
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.159
who's like all happy to hold him.

1052
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.360
It's being forced to eat things when it just wants

1053
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.840
to die.

1054
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:23.599
It wants to die.

1055
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:28.320
Yeah, and it tried to die in the tornadoes and

1056
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:29.239
then it didn't work.

1057
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.000
Now you're trying to suggest that this tortoise summoned a

1058
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:35.480
tornado which killed people.

1059
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.880
I mean, that's what they do.

1060
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.360
Did I miss that day in school when we found

1061
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.639
out the tortoises summoned tornadoes?

1062
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.480
I mean, I don't know when when you were in

1063
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:51.920
school what they were teaching you.

1064
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:59.480
Oh man, tortoise tornado, it's so obvious, the same thing. Well,

1065
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.280
the best part it is that the pet is named Myrtle.

1066
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:06.360
Oh, which is what you name a turtle, But it's

1067
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:07.000
a tortoise.

1068
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.440
I think that's too funny. This is Myrtle the tortoise.

1069
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.400
That's funny to me. That's a good joke. Instead Myrtle

1070
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.559
the turtle, because we'll be like, oh, it's Myrtle the turtle.

1071
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:15.559
He'd be like, how dare you?

1072
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.760
Yeah.

1073
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.440
The Reunited Reunion, which went viral on corners of the

1074
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.360
Internet dedicated to uplifting news stories, occurred after the Central

1075
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:33.559
Mississippi Mississippi Turtle Rescue organization asked its social media followers

1076
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.000
on the sixth of April for help in finding the

1077
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:39.400
tortoise's owners after the animal was brought to the group

1078
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:45.280
to be treated for injuries. A Central Mississippi Turtle Rescue

1079
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.000
posted a day later that the family of the tortoise,

1080
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.320
which it was found near lost near Tylertown, had been

1081
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.840
located and that the animal evidently quote was either blown

1082
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.800
by the winds or he walked out after the storm

1083
01:02:58.840 --> 01:02:59.840
took out their fence.

1084
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.480
M hm quote.

1085
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:07.920
He got some injuries to overcome, but he's at least

1086
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.599
back in the arms of his family. They missed him

1087
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:12.840
so much and are so relieved and grateful to have

1088
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.920
him back. The group's post, first reported by local news

1089
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:22.000
story WAPT, said of what it described as the tornado tortoise.

1090
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.199
On Sunday, the Associated Press published an interview identifying the

1091
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:29.239
tortoise in question as Myrtle and its grateful owner as

1092
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:33.400
Tiffany Emmanuel. Emmanuel recounted how she and her family fled

1093
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.719
their home and rule Kocomo as a tornado hit on

1094
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:39.440
March fifteenth. They later came back to find two pine

1095
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.880
trees that fallen atop Myrtle's backyard home. Oh, and there

1096
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.320
was no sign of Myrtle until it turned out. A

1097
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:50.440
neighbor of the Emmanuel family found the tortoise and brought

1098
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.719
it to Central Mississippi Turtle Rescue for medical treatment on

1099
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.119
the fourth of April, and so sood, a good Samaritan,

1100
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:02.480
took the turtle to the rest and then it turned

1101
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.320
out that it was actually like still in its own neighborhood.

1102
01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.480
I hope it wasn't like next door neighbors, because you'd

1103
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:11.400
think that they know that they had a turtle.

1104
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.480
I mean, do you think your neighbors know you if

1105
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:15.199
you had a turtle.

1106
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.480
I think my neighbors don't think I have a turtle,

1107
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:19.239
But I don't know.

1108
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:20.880
Do they know you have a cat?

1109
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:25.159
Yes? How because they can see her out when she

1110
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:29.159
sits in the window, and when I come home, I say, hey, Giggs.

1111
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.400
So either they think I have an animal in here

1112
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.760
or a person that I'm holding captive. I'm not really sure.

1113
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.760
They could just simply think you're crazy.

1114
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.159
Oh yeah, No, they know because I tell them about her.

1115
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:42.800
Hmm.

1116
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.440
Maybe I remember.

1117
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:50.840
I swear we're going to get you a turtle. I

1118
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.400
think that's the move. No, what do you have against

1119
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.599
turtles or tortoises?

1120
01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:00.280
I don't like them that much. They're okay, but I

1121
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.440
don't want one to live here with me.

1122
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.360
Okay, I still think that's pretty hateful. Well, I'm glad

1123
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.920
Myrtle the tortoise sorry, has made his way home, her way,

1124
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.119
her their way home to their family.

1125
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:22.039
I mean, if that's what they wanted, I'm glad for

1126
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:22.519
them too.

1127
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.599
I don't know what you have a real problem with tortoise.

1128
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.239
Did a turtle bite you or something?

1129
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.800
No, and they're different.

1130
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:38.440
I'm just saying, Well, prejudice isn't usually well thought out,

1131
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.159
so that's all I'm saying. But we're going to take

1132
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.320
a break and talk about a missing Wisconsin woman who

1133
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:58.519
was found after sixty years right after this. So this

1134
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:05.159
story grabs my attention very quickly from NPR and uh,

1135
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.800
it's because missing persons cases are really interesting. Did you

1136
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.280
grow up watching unsolved mysteries much or no?

1137
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:11.440
No?

1138
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:15.599
Did you watch any of like the mystery shows like

1139
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:18.480
what did you just anime?

1140
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:23.639
No? I just watched a lot of like stuff on Nickelodeon,

1141
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:25.079
and shit, I don't know.

1142
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:29.000
I mean I did love that. We grew up during

1143
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:30.840
the best time to watch Nickelodeon, though.

1144
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:33.280
I mean also, I have a younger brother and sister,

1145
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:37.039
so I just watched whatever they wanted to watch.

1146
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:39.119
That's not the way that's supposed to work.

1147
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.280
Yeah you think that right.

1148
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.519
It's supposed to be you put force it on them.

1149
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.599
Nope, Nope, I mean not until like the anime stuff.

1150
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.480
But no, no, no, they just got to watch whatever

1151
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:53.599
they wanted pretty much.

1152
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.199
Man, that's ridiculous. I'd be like, I'd be like making

1153
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.239
them watch unsolved mysteries and having nightmares like as your

1154
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:04.039
little sister's flies, You're going dude, do do do do do? Do? Do?

1155
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:10.000
You too could be a mystery just like anyway, I

1156
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.880
don't have any younger siblings, so I can't. I never

1157
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.519
got to really torment anybody.

1158
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.159
Sorry, I guess.

1159
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.960
I mean I got you. But that's that's about it

1160
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:25.000
for tormenting. You're not you're not a younger sibling. But

1161
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.079
but I do get to torment you. Six decades after

1162
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.239
a young mother vanished from her small city in south

1163
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:37.320
central Wisconsin, authorities have found her alive and well, living

1164
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.599
in another state.

1165
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.159
Because she just moved there and didn't tell anybody.

1166
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:45.199
I mean, it sounds like she ran away. Yeah, but

1167
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.840
uh well, the headline mentioned she wants to stay hidden.

1168
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:52.400
Because she did not.

1169
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.159
Audrey Backberg was twenty years old when she disappeared from

1170
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.639
Reedsburg and July of nineteen sixty two. According to a

1171
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.559
bulletin from the Wisconsin Department of Justice, it says the

1172
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.360
family's babysitter claimed that the two of them hitchhiked to Madison,

1173
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.880
about fifty five miles away, and then took a Greyhound

1174
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:19.520
bus to Indianapolis. Quote she said she last saw Audrey

1175
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:22.680
walking around the corner away from the bus stop. It reads,

1176
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:26.760
Audrey never returned home and has not been heard from again.

1177
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:35.000
That is until now. The Sauk County Sheriff's Office announced

1178
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.159
last week that it had been that it had resolved

1179
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:42.039
Backberg's long cold missing person's case, saying she is quote

1180
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.960
alive and well and currently resides out of state. Further

1181
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:50.159
investigation has revealed that miss Blackberg's disappearance was by her

1182
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.279
own choice and not the result of any criminal activity

1183
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:57.159
or foul play. Sheriff Chipmeister said, Man, that is a.

1184
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.399
Name, Chipchi Meister, Yeah, Yeah.

1185
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.439
I had a friend whose last name was Meister, And

1186
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:05.359
that's a great last name because it makes your first

1187
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:08.239
name sound like you're like a nickname when you put

1188
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:16.079
them together. The Chipmeister Michelle meisterare Meister said The case

1189
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:18.920
was assigned to a Sheriff's Office detective earlier this year

1190
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.520
quote for a comprehensive review as part of an ongoing

1191
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:27.920
examination of cold case files. That process included a thorough

1192
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:32.119
reevaluation of all case files and evidence, combined with reinterviewing

1193
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:36.840
witnesses and uncovering new insights. The detective, Isaac Hanson, told

1194
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:41.359
ABC affiliate WISN that he discovered Backberg's sister had an

1195
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.960
ancestry dot com account, which led him to new data,

1196
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:51.119
including a possible address. Quote, So I called the local

1197
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.560
sheriff's department, said, Hey, there's this lady living at this address.

1198
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.279
Do you guys have somebody that can just pop in?

1199
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:01.079
Hanson recalled. Ten minutes later, she called, and we talked

1200
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:06.680
for forty five minutes. Okay, imagine that drain on that

1201
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:07.760
guy's days, Like, oh my.

1202
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:09.640
God, stop talking.

1203
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.159
Think about it, like, we get it. You just moved

1204
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:21.000
away without telling anybody. Geez. Yeah, but I love that

1205
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.439
he was ancestry dot com. That's how that's how I

1206
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:24.960
caught him.

1207
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.520
Yeah, I mean, it didn't sound like she was really hiding.

1208
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.760
I mean she must have been. I mean I wonder

1209
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.800
how she like was working. I mean, like if she

1210
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.159
wasn't using her social Security number and stuff.

1211
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:43.439
Well well maybe she started again, like you know, because

1212
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.000
it was a cold case, so maybe nobody was looking anymore.

1213
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.319
So she just living normally. I mean, if she was

1214
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.680
on ancestry dot com and stuff like that, she's not

1215
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:51.680
She's not hiding.

1216
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.840
Really, Yeah, no, that's a good point. Mostly nobody was looking.

1217
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:56.520
Yeah.

1218
01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.199
Yeah, I wonder how it felt when the cop like

1219
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.439
knocked on the door, like, because it's like it's been

1220
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:06.319
like sixty years so she's seventy or eighty, Sorry, she's

1221
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:11.479
eighty years old. Yeah, so she's just like, oh, hi, officer,

1222
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:13.680
or is she like I just like to imagine she

1223
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.159
has like a go bag and everything, like ready sixty,

1224
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:19.800
she's like any day now, those sons of bitches will

1225
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:24.840
come for me. Hansen said he promised Blackburg that he

1226
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:29.239
would keep their conversation and her whereabouts private, but said, quote,

1227
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.920
she had her reasons for leaving.

1228
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.520
Yeah, quote why would you talk?

1229
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.600
Why would NPR do a story about this? Though? Like

1230
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:43.640
now people somewhere like I know, leave her alone. Quote.

1231
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.159
I think she was just she just was removed and

1232
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.039
moved on from things and kind of did her own

1233
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.800
thing and led her life. He added, she sounded happy,

1234
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:57.439
confident in her decision, no regrets. It's a little weird,

1235
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.520
but apparently like this must have been a somewhat popular

1236
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:08.159
cold case file, because it says the Baraboo News Republic

1237
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.479
article published in two thousand and two on the fortieth

1238
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.800
anniversary of Backbird's disappearance, holds some clues about what might

1239
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.000
have happened. According to the article of which NPR obtained

1240
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:21.359
a copy, Backberg was last seen July seventh, nineteen sixty two,

1241
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:24.960
picking up her paycheck from the woolen mill where she worked.

1242
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.760
Three days earlier, police received a report that her husband

1243
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:30.920
had abused her. I had a feeling it was related

1244
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:32.880
to like a husband or a family member.

1245
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:34.680
Right, Oh, yeah, I was just kind of waiting for

1246
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:37.239
them to say that, Yeah.

1247
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:39.199
Her husband had loaded a couple of guns and put

1248
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:41.359
them in the trunk of his car and threatened to

1249
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:45.720
kill her. Then sheriff Randy Stamman told the newspaper. By

1250
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:51.199
that point, Backberg's family believed that's that's why this is important.

1251
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:56.439
Backbird's family believed she had been murdered. Okay, because of

1252
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.960
see see we were getting cocky because because we started

1253
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.960
with she's alive somewhere. But so we're like, oh, loaded

1254
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:06.479
guns in her car, in his car. Well, then of

1255
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:07.920
course she ran away. It's like, oh yeah, but if

1256
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:12.399
she disappeared, yeah, yeah, it would look really bad. Yeah,

1257
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:19.000
that she'd maybe been killed. Yeah. I long believed she

1258
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.000
had been murdered, but was still hoping to find her body.

1259
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.119
In fact, the article says investigators had recently gotten a

1260
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:28.439
tip from a confidential informant that her body was allegedly

1261
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:32.119
buried on a rural Sauk County property, which they planned

1262
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:35.239
to search with a forensic dog. Stammon, however, said his

1263
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.920
officers had spoken with investigators who were on the original

1264
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:41.640
case forty years earlier, and quote, don't feel comfortable that

1265
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.760
she's simply a missing person. We don't know if she's

1266
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:48.680
simply a missing person living a life somewhere else, he said.

1267
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:51.640
We do know there has been no activity on her

1268
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.560
Social Security number. Wow, that was in like two thousand

1269
01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:00.800
and something. Yes, yeah, wow, but I bet you're right

1270
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:02.640
that they stopped checking. But yeah, she must have been

1271
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:08.520
like living under the table or a housewife or something. Yeah,

1272
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.560
or she stole an identity.

1273
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:12.119
It's possible too.

1274
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.760
I yeah, probably not that one. Honestly, it'd probably be

1275
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.840
pretty easy, like if you got to think, because it's

1276
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:22.279
the sixties, so like she could have gotten a job

1277
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:26.920
working for cash pretty easily and then gotten married, even

1278
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.600
like not even immediately, could be like five ten years,

1279
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.600
got married, then didn't have to work, so who cares,

1280
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:37.319
you know, or or you know, her husband had a business.

1281
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.000
You know, there are a million ways she could have been,

1282
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:42.520
Like she could have been teaching piano lessons, you know, like, yeah, yeah,

1283
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.079
there are a lot of there are a lot of ways

1284
01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:50.079
that that could go. The Sheriff's office said last week

1285
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:54.119
that while investigators pursued numerous leads, the case eventually went cold,

1286
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:58.800
citing newspaper records, USA Today reports that Backberg's husband was

1287
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.399
granted a divorce in nineteen sixty three, the year after

1288
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:08.239
she disappeared. Backberg had two young child Oh that's so sad.

1289
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.079
Backberg had two young children at the time of her disappearance.

1290
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.640
Hanson told the Associated Press that it's still it is

1291
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:18.880
still important to Backberg, now in her eighties, that she

1292
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.920
not be found, but he said she still has family

1293
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:25.119
members living in the area and has his contact information

1294
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.640
in case she wants to get in touch with any

1295
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.319
of them. Ultimately, she kind of holds the cards for that,

1296
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:34.000
he said, Well, yeah, except that they could probably find her.

1297
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:38.399
Now that's this information is Yeah, I'm guessing that the

1298
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:40.800
ex husband is not a threat. He's likely passed away,

1299
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:46.840
but he's very elderly, so that's so weird. But I mean,

1300
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.960
like I feel I felt kind of bad because I

1301
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:50.239
was just kind of chuckling and stuff and like that.

1302
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.640
Oh wait, no, like lots of people probably think she's dead.

1303
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:53.560
That's really sad.

1304
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:56.359
Yeah, it is, yeah, I mean, yeah, her family.

1305
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.520
Well, and the fact that she abandoned her children, it

1306
01:15:58.600 --> 01:15:59.439
must have been real bad.

1307
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:02.279
I mean, and it's it's hard for me because like

1308
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:07.319
when you're he I'm sure if if, if he was

1309
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:11.279
abusive to her, there's a chance he was gonna you know,

1310
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:16.720
be abusive to their kids of course, Like yeah, yeah.

1311
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.880
And also her parents died thinking that she that she

1312
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.039
was murdered probably, which is really rough.

1313
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.640
Yeah, that leaves a lot of questions. And all we

1314
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:29.000
could do is speculate by like just making up incredibly

1315
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.720
horrible fantasies.

1316
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:31.359
Of yeah, let's do it.

1317
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.199
You're like, let's do it. Let's take a break and

1318
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:37.760
we'll just do it the w Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

1319
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:39.800
We're gonna take a break and we'll be back with

1320
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:44.960
some more spooky news as police find man trapped in

1321
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.840
a crazy scenario after a Connecticut burglary call. Hey, that's

1322
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:51.399
the headline. What do you want? But it looks it

1323
01:16:51.399 --> 01:17:01.680
looks interesting after this, and you are back with a

1324
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:05.239
little bit more spooky news. This headline is from the

1325
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.720
Huffington Post. It says police find man trapped in a

1326
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:15.920
crazy scenario after Connecticut burglary call. I mean, this will great.

1327
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.000
This is gonna make you feel paranoid about calling the

1328
01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:23.359
cops if you have a burglary. Firefighters had to rescue

1329
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:26.319
a man who got stuck in the chimney of a

1330
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.359
Connecticut Parks building while trying to retrieve his dog from

1331
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:34.640
a bathroom when the door is automatically locked for the night.

1332
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:42.520
What police were called Sunday morning to Rockwell Park. Yeah,

1333
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:43.720
his dog got locked in the.

1334
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.800
Building, so we tried to climb down the chimney. That

1335
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:50.199
is the stupidest. Don't do that. You will, you will

1336
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:51.119
need to be rescued.

1337
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.399
Well you you you've seen your sheriff chimneys?

1338
01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:57.920
I have you could?

1339
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:00.000
You could do it? Most people could.

1340
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:04.079
Yeah, but it sounds scary and it's really dirty in there,

1341
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.680
like especially if people aren't cleaning them, which they're not. No,

1342
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.520
and there's like a bird that's dead in there, and

1343
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:13.479
a flu is clothes it's a big deal.

1344
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.119
Or like a guy dressed as Santa Claus like in Gremlins, Like, yeah,

1345
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.039
dad got killed in the chimney. Do you ever see Gremlins?

1346
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:23.279
I think I've seen part of it.

1347
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.439
She tells a story about why she hates Christmas, and

1348
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.000
it turns out her father dressed as Santa Claus and

1349
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.600
was gonna come down the chimney, but he slipped and

1350
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:34.119
broke his neck in the chimney, and they thought her

1351
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:36.800
dad just disappeared on Christmas Eve, and then they found

1352
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.039
his body like weeks later.

1353
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:39.159
Yeah, that's rough.

1354
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:42.680
Yeah, I mean it's a movie, so it didn't really happen.

1355
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:43.479
Fine.

1356
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:46.439
A lot of people I've heard mixed things about that

1357
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:49.000
Gremlins speech. By the way. My buddy Andrew believes that

1358
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:51.479
it was meant to be darkly funny, which I think

1359
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.199
is bizarre. I think it was just meant to be

1360
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.479
like intense personally, but it is kind of out of

1361
01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:58.520
place in a movie as silly as Gremlins.

1362
01:18:58.760 --> 01:18:59.359
Yeah.

1363
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:04.119
In Gremlins to the New Batch, they make a joke

1364
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:09.239
about that because she starts saying Abraham Lincoln day. I

1365
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:11.920
can't handle, you know, I don't celebrate Abraham and the

1366
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.279
music it's all Dower and the guy goes, honey, I

1367
01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:16.319
appreciate it, but we don't have time for that right now.

1368
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:22.760
And they like run because they're like being back by gremlins. Anyway,

1369
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:28.239
police recalled Sunday morning to Rockwell Park in Bristol for

1370
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:32.239
a burglary complaint, and we're told by parks employees that

1371
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:38.119
someone was in the chimney. If only we'd December. Firefighters

1372
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.439
responded to the scene and got the man out after

1373
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.840
having to remove parts of the chimney and building, causing

1374
01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:46.760
five to ten thousand dollars worth of damage.

1375
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.000
Police seid, you know it's more than that.

1376
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:52.520
I guess it depends how much they removed and how

1377
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:54.800
much could be put back. I don't know.

1378
01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:59.079
They said parts of the house and chimney.

1379
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.239
I want to know these fancy bastards why they got

1380
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:08.920
a chimney in the public building. Fancy. The Bristol man,

1381
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:12.520
who was not injured, was arrested and charged with burglary,

1382
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.680
trespassing and criminal mischief.

1383
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:16.079
That's a lot.

1384
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:23.199
What Why would I mean, Like, I we know that

1385
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:24.560
the dog was in like.

1386
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:27.840
He was going to steal the dog back.

1387
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.520
Like he was trying to get his dog out of there, right,

1388
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.079
I mean, I can understand like you're liable for the

1389
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:38.119
damages of rescuing you because you should have just.

1390
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:42.600
Like broken a window or called Yeah, he should have

1391
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:43.720
called called.

1392
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.960
A bunch of places to get your dog. I mean,

1393
01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.039
and I don't know, you know, I would assume the

1394
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:51.880
dog is a healthy dog. So it's like a couple

1395
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:54.239
hours on the phone annoying people to get in there

1396
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:56.520
is probably.

1397
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.600
Okay, yeah, yeah, we're going to just die.

1398
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.239
Yeah, because like, how do you I don't know if

1399
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:03.880
they're gonna explain that, because I really want to know

1400
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:05.199
how that even occurred.

1401
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.479
Yeah.

1402
01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:09.880
He was released on bond and ordered to appear in

1403
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:13.119
court on July seventh. A message seeking comment was sent

1404
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:15.640
to an email address listed in public records for the man.

1405
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.960
Phone numbers listed for him were not in service. Online

1406
01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:23.279
court records do not list a lawyer for him. The

1407
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:25.359
man got stuck near the flu of the chimney of

1408
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:29.359
Missus Rockwell's Pavilion, a building named after a beneficiary of

1409
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.079
the park. Locks on. The doors to the bathrooms are

1410
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:37.600
on new timers and automatically lock at ten pm every night,

1411
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.960
said Erica Benoi, a community engagement coordinator for Bristol Park's Recreation,

1412
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:45.279
Youth and Community Services. It's not clear how the dog

1413
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.000
got stuck in the bathroom or how long the man

1414
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:50.479
was in the chimney. The doors can be opened from

1415
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.960
the inside after they are locked for the night. The

1416
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:54.199
dog was unharmed.

1417
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:58.960
Police said, wait, I have a question. Okay, did you

1418
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:03.239
say that he got stuck near the flu in the chimney?

1419
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:04.079
That's what this said.

1420
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:08.439
Yeah, because that doesn't make any sense. Why the flu

1421
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:12.479
is is a big long pipe that goes down in

1422
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:15.720
the chimney, you'd probably get stuck in the flu.

1423
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:18.279
It said, near the flu.

1424
01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:23.039
What does that mean? Like, I think that they're just confused, because,

1425
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:25.720
like I mean, unless there's an open space around it,

1426
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:27.640
that would be But he wouldn't go down that. That

1427
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.680
wouldn't make any sense. You'd be going down the interior

1428
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:34.640
if you wanted to get in, right, So I don't.

1429
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:36.039
Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

1430
01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:39.880
Unless he was like so far down that the flu is,

1431
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:40.520
I don't know.

1432
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:46.880
Fair quote. It is a bit of a crazy scenario.

1433
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:49.960
Ben Was said. Our park staff is working with the

1434
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.359
police department and the fire department to make sure that

1435
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:53.279
doesn't happen.

1436
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.319
It's never gonna Oh, actually you can fix it. Just

1437
01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:01.119
get like a like a opper chimney cap and then

1438
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:03.000
maybe they won't try to remove it and go down

1439
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:04.199
the chimney.

1440
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:08.920
Yeah, or maybe like have a phone number for I mean, really,

1441
01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:11.039
it's it may be a simple case of there's no

1442
01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:12.199
cure for being stupid.

1443
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:16.520
Yeah, really though, like yeah, and if you weren't going

1444
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.000
to call people, just literally break a window, Like yeah,

1445
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.800
I mean that that causes property damage, but at least

1446
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:25.800
you're not going to get like you're not gonna get

1447
01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:26.880
stuck in the chimney that way.

1448
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:31.119
So yeah, if he had just contacted police in the

1449
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:36.600
first place, we might have been able to avoid the situation. Yeah,

1450
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:38.960
I would have to agree. Yeah, I mean, I'm a

1451
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.239
guy who loves dogs, but I would have made phone

1452
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.399
calls first. I definitely wouldn't have tried the chimney. But

1453
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:48.319
I also don't understand, like, I guess it's burglary, but

1454
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.359
to me, it's like, what were they trying to burgle?

1455
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:53.600
No, it's not burglary. To me, it's not burglary. It's

1456
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:54.600
just trespassing.

1457
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.720
Yeah, oh, it's definitely trespassing. And I really I think

1458
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.560
without a doubt civil liability, like he's be liable for

1459
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:02.960
the damage he caused by making such a stupid decision.

1460
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.359
But I just don't think criminal charges make sense unless

1461
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:07.920
we're missing a bunch of information.

1462
01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:12.479
Yeah, yeah, like he like he specifically put his dog

1463
01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:14.439
in there so that he would have a reason to

1464
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.680
go back in, so he could steal a bunch of stuff.

1465
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:21.840
Diabolical. Yeah, well, we're going to take a quick break

1466
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:24.159
and then we're going to talk about the shark attacks

1467
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:39.680
that were the inspiration for the film Jaws. Right after this, Michelle,

1468
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:41.600
I caught you on a yawn.

1469
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:42.359
Yeah.

1470
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.680
Why why there's a countdown before we start? Why would you?

1471
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.239
Why would you start a yawn? Then?

1472
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:51.159
I couldn't. I didn't get the opportunity to choose.

1473
01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:58.239
Don't make me start yawning. Making y yunning sounds just

1474
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:02.920
from saying yan, you're gonna start yawning something. Yeah, okay, fine,

1475
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.920
I wasn't gonna talk about yawning. I was gonna talk

1476
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:17.199
about Jaws. Okay, geez, how rude. It was already I

1477
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:22.600
already said I had barely slept. You mean, sorry, you've

1478
01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:23.920
seen Jaws, right.

1479
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:26.520
I think like most of it?

1480
01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.920
Oh my god, chew, What the hell? Man? How how

1481
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.880
have you not seen Jaws? It's like a quintessential movie.

1482
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:35.279
I've seen it.

1483
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:41.479
Sure, this is what I put up with. Guys like

1484
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:43.720
this is not cool, bro.

1485
01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:44.720
Sorry.

1486
01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:48.920
Well, I don't know if you knew this, but Jaws

1487
01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:53.640
was based loosely on a real incident I do.

1488
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.359
Now, at least because we're talking about it.

1489
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.680
Some people you know know that. But it is like

1490
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.199
surprisingly similar of just a freak shark attack in Jersey

1491
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.560
that took five victims. Wow, that's a lot, because sharks

1492
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.960
don't attack very much, especially.

1493
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:17.520
We're fish and they don't really want to attack humans.

1494
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:21.319
They just think your feet are fish so they bite you.

1495
01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:23.520
But that's fine.

1496
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:27.039
Well, I know in like South Africa, like they have

1497
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:31.079
nets up because the sharks are very aggressive down there,

1498
01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:33.399
so they're hungry. What do you want? You know, they're

1499
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:40.920
hungry sharks. I was watching Jaws the Revenge for the

1500
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:43.439
d Even movie, which is my favorite Jaws movie, and

1501
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.119
most people would disagree, but there's a line in that

1502
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:49.279
movie that I'd never remembered before until I was watching

1503
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:52.960
at that time. But at one point he says sharks

1504
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.600
spend half their life hunting for food and the other

1505
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:59.640
half eaten it. And I just love that line. It's

1506
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.640
been there eating the food that they were hunting, Like.

1507
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.880
I just thought that was a really good line. It

1508
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:06.520
was it was for him to explain why he was

1509
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:09.079
confident the shark would eat this device that would hopefully

1510
01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:11.720
kill it. Is that all sharks do his hunt for

1511
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.479
food and then eat it.

1512
01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:15.039
It does it explode the shark?

1513
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:19.039
Yes, but that's only that's not even the whole story.

1514
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.199
That movie's so out of its mind because the studio

1515
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:26.239
started like messing with an already like very messed up script.

1516
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:33.880
So anyway, this is from smithsonianmag dot com. Uh and

1517
01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:36.039
the headline is the shark attacks that were in the

1518
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:40.319
inspiration for Jaws. One rogue shark, five victims, a mysterious threat,

1519
01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:43.960
and the era of the killer great white was born.

1520
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:52.319
In the summer of nineteen sixteen, span span panic struck

1521
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:56.079
the Jersey Shore spanic that's the that's good enough struck

1522
01:27:56.079 --> 01:28:01.000
in Yeah, a shark sunk its teeth into Charles Van Sant,

1523
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.560
the twenty five year old son of a Philadelphian businessman.

1524
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:07.880
Oh No, out out for an evening swim in the

1525
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:12.600
resort town of beech Haven. Wait, I thought this happened

1526
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:16.479
further north. That happened in beach Haven. I guess as

1527
01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:22.359
in Long Beach Island, beach Haven. Maybe that's like one

1528
01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:25.560
of the only beaches I've ever spent time at. That's

1529
01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:31.359
a wild On July first, a lifeguard pulled him ashore,

1530
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:35.319
but he quickly bled to death. Oh okay, this is okay.

1531
01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:39.520
It makes sense now. Five days later and forty five

1532
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.640
miles to the north, that's okay. That's why I didn't

1533
01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.760
think it was down that far south. In spring Lake,

1534
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.600
New Jersey, Charles Bruder, a young bell hop at a

1535
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:56.039
local hotel, met a similar fate. Then something even stranger happened.

1536
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.359
The rogue great white traveled thirty miles no worth of

1537
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:06.359
spring Lake and into Matawan Creek. Uh oh yeah, this

1538
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:08.159
is what I remember being. The craziest part about the

1539
01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.079
story is that the shark was like in a creek.

1540
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:11.600
It wasn't even in the ocean.

1541
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:13.159
Oh.

1542
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:18.039
On July twelfth, Lester Stillwell eleven was playing in the creek,

1543
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:24.279
sixteen miles inland when the shark attacked attacked a young

1544
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:27.760
man named Watson Stanley. Fisher attempted to save the boy,

1545
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:34.800
but was fatally injured in the process. Jeez, isn't this crazy?

1546
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.359
Yeah? I mean, especially because I assume if you're in

1547
01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:39.920
that creek, you don't expect there to be sharks didn't.

1548
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.960
Probably just like you don't expect them in your bathtub.

1549
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:47.159
Yeah, but they can't get in my bathtub. They could

1550
01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:48.000
get in a creek.

1551
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:52.439
See, you're a little overconfident, and I worry that will

1552
01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:53.239
be your undoing.

1553
01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:55.960
There's no water in my bathtub.

1554
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:56.960
Dud.

1555
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:00.640
I don't hear that.

1556
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:04.880
D d d d d du du dun dun. Okay, fine.

1557
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:10.159
Joseph Dunn was luckier. The teenager, the shark's fifth victim,

1558
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:13.000
was bitten in the creek less than a half hour

1559
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:18.439
later and survived. The shark's ferocious spree is said to

1560
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:22.560
have served as inspiration for Jaws, both Peter Benchley's novel

1561
01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:26.600
and Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film, Oh and then There's an Update.

1562
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.359
In two thousand and one, however, Benchley denied the connection

1563
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:35.279
in a correction to a New York Times article. I

1564
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:41.039
theologist George Burgess calls it the quote most unique set

1565
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.520
of shark attacks that have ever occurred.

1566
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:45.479
HM.

1567
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:49.199
He would know. As curator of the International Shark Attack

1568
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.960
File kept at the Florida Museum of Natural History in Gainesville,

1569
01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:57.119
Burgess is an expert on shark attacks. He presides over

1570
01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:59.960
the archive, which includes case files for more than five

1571
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:04.840
five thousand attacks that occurred from the sixteenth century up

1572
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:08.479
to today. That's a lot of shark attacks.

1573
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:12.279
Actually it's not if you think about how long that

1574
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:14.880
was in the past.

1575
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:18.079
I mean, I was told shark attacks were rare, so

1576
01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:19.960
that sounds that sounds like a lot.

1577
01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:22.960
It sounds like normal.

1578
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:28.000
Fair enough. Well. I also you also have to assume that,

1579
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:32.239
like until the twentieth century, reporting was very not good.

1580
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:35.680
So that's also I'm kind of grading on a scale.

1581
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:38.680
I'm basically considering that just like the twentieth century to

1582
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:41.640
now because most of it because I can't imagine that

1583
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:45.119
they had thousands of reports over the years where like

1584
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:46.640
literacy was uncommon.

1585
01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:49.000
Okay, fine, all, but.

1586
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:51.199
I could be wrong. I could totally be wrong. I

1587
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:57.760
literally know nothing about anything except about Jaws the Revenge,

1588
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.520
but that's a different show. That was last Prime show.

1589
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:03.880
When a shark strikes somewhere in the world, as one

1590
01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:07.560
did in Cape Cod, Massachusetts two weeks ago, Burgess and

1591
01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:11.640
his colleagues quote investigate much like a detective would investigate

1592
01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:16.680
a crime. They interview the victim and any witnesses, collect

1593
01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:20.439
medical records, and study photographs of the wounds to determine

1594
01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:24.680
the size and perhaps the species of the shark responsible.

1595
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.640
I recently spoke with Burgess about the circumstances surrounding the

1596
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:33.960
historic attacks of nineteen sixteen, and we'll talk about all

1597
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:46.439
that right after this. So let's take a bite bite

1598
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.359
out of this information, right, Michelle, like a shark.

1599
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:54.039
That they bite things they do.

1600
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:58.840
Yeah, So before we get into that though, So since

1601
01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.760
you weren't like an avid jaws watcher, have you ever

1602
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:03.880
been afraid to go in the water. Do you like

1603
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:05.239
the ocean? Oh?

1604
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.960
I like the ocean, but I'm very scared of sharks also, yeah, yeah, well,

1605
01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.319
I mean yeah, but I also but it's not one

1606
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:14.479
of those fears that I have that would like stop me.

1607
01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:17.560
It's just like, I hope I don't die this time,

1608
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:20.439
But you do that.

1609
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:22.600
Every time you like go to the grocery store or

1610
01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:25.079
like get your mail out of the mail box.

1611
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.079
What I'm saying, it's not one of those fears that stopped.

1612
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:31.000
Me, but I don't die this time.

1613
01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:33.840
Yeah.

1614
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:37.039
Well. The first question they asked Burgess was, from the

1615
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.279
records that exist, what is your sense of how the

1616
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:44.800
general public reacted to the attacks? He replied, do what scared.

1617
01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.880
I assume, oh, I would assume. Yeah, I see a

1618
01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:51.000
common pattern around the world when shark attacks occur. There

1619
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:55.439
is obviously shock. Then the second phase is denial, denial

1620
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:58.119
that it was done by a shark. It has to

1621
01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:01.239
be done by something else. The third phase is the

1622
01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:04.159
feeling that if we shuffle it under the rug, maybe

1623
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:09.319
it'll disappear. Yeah, no, no, no, it's really bad avoidance.

1624
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:10.640
Yeah.

1625
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:13.159
The fourth phase is realizing that none of those things

1626
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:15.399
are working and that we probably need to go kill

1627
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:22.039
some sharks. Then in the fifth phase, the reality sets in. Finally,

1628
01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:27.520
that's that's that, that's not the solution, and we probably

1629
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.039
ought to bring in a scientist that knows what's going on.

1630
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:33.000
The phases they went through in New Jersey were the

1631
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:37.000
same these days. There's more of a level view of sharks.

1632
01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:40.479
Back then, this was brand new and terror driven. In

1633
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:44.600
nineteen sixteen, the rallying cry was let's go kill some sharks.

1634
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.800
Yeah.

1635
01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:52.479
People don't even know what predator caused the attacks at first, though,

1636
01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.439
right what were some of the theories. The thinking was,

1637
01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.279
it couldn't be a shark because we don't have sharks here.

1638
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:01.399
It must be a sea turtle.

1639
01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:05.199
Yeah, that's aggressive sea.

1640
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:09.279
Turtle seashell, you were right to distrust turtles and tortoises.

1641
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:11.199
Yeah.

1642
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.359
Someone suggested it was a school of turtles that was

1643
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:16.039
coming in and biting things.

1644
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:19.840
Could you imagine that would be scarier. They're just all

1645
01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:22.159
acting together to like kill people.

1646
01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:26.319
A swarm of sea turtles. Yeah, I mean I grew

1647
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:28.680
up being afraid of turtles because of snap and turtles.

1648
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:30.640
We grew up with a ton of snap and turtles

1649
01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:35.319
and they are mean. Yeah, does snap you?

1650
01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:38.920
Yeah? I shouldn't touch them or try to touch them.

1651
01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.279
If they didn't want to be touched them. Why are

1652
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:46.920
they so delicious? I'm just asking a question.

1653
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:49.920
I don't I don't think that's their fault.

1654
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:57.039
We'll see. Of course, turtles don't school and they don't

1655
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:01.920
bite human beings, well, those turtles, But but it sounded good.

1656
01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:07.439
A killer whale was suggested as well. The theories abounded

1657
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:10.680
and were allowed to get out out unchecked, into the media,

1658
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.680
simply because there was not a forceful scientific authority that

1659
01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.319
really knew what was going on to step right in

1660
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:22.439
and try to level the conversation. Yeah, what about killer whales?

1661
01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:24.399
How do you feel about them?

1662
01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:28.000
They're terrifying, like really terrifying. But if it was a

1663
01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:31.399
killer whale, everyone would have seen it because they were mammals,

1664
01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:33.560
so it would have been coming up and doing things.

1665
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.840
And also they like play with their prey and stuff,

1666
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:39.840
so people would have saw it like thrashing the person around.

1667
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.479
It would have been a big deal, like a deal.

1668
01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:45.119
So were you not a fan of Free Willie when

1669
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:45.640
you were a kid?

1670
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:48.039
Oh no, I used to think killer whales were really cool.

1671
01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:49.880
Now I know that they're terrifying.

1672
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:53.159
Oh yeah, but you can pet their big flat tongues.

1673
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:54.760
You can put you.

1674
01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.319
Put your hand in their mouth and pet their tongue.

1675
01:36:58.359 --> 01:36:59.079
That's what they're like.

1676
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.119
No, I don't put my hand in strange animals. Males,

1677
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:04.640
only animals, you know exactly.

1678
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:11.800
Okay, there are few, There are a There were a

1679
01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.760
few scientists regarded as experts who weighed in. John Treadwell

1680
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.920
Nichols was a well known I think I'm saying that right,

1681
01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:24.600
I theologist at the American Museum of Natural History. He

1682
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.720
knew something about sharks. Then there was the director of

1683
01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:31.279
the New York Aquarium, Charles Haskins Townsend, who was a

1684
01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:35.319
good theology theologist. That's how I say it right. I

1685
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:39.279
think theologists he knew his sharks and dealt with them

1686
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:43.119
in an aquarium. Robert Cushman Murphy, another American Museum of

1687
01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:46.239
Natural History guy was working with sharks in Long Island

1688
01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:50.159
and knew something about what sharks were, were there and when?

1689
01:37:51.560 --> 01:37:54.079
Oh what sharks were there? Were where and there and

1690
01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:58.760
when were there and when? Man, the first time, I

1691
01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:04.119
know that's the worst part. So what were these scientists saying.

1692
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:09.960
They very accurately portrayed the suite of species. That, yeah,

1693
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.520
the suite of species that were found in the area.

1694
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.239
They knew some of the timing of when the species appeared,

1695
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:20.319
so they went through the checklist the same way I did. Frankly,

1696
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:22.760
with a bunch of media calling me about the recent

1697
01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:26.800
Cape Cot attack, Okay, so yeah, you say, yeah, geez,

1698
01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:28.800
you don't. Yeah, you don't hear a lot of shark attacks.

1699
01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:34.319
It's almost like they're uncommon. The other day, by the way,

1700
01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.159
somebody was talking about Jaws, and I said, I said, oh, man,

1701
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:40.399
I love that movie. It's like Sharknado without the tornado.

1702
01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:45.920
Standing by that, that's my review of Jaws. It's Shark

1703
01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:50.359
Nato without the tornado. I said, look, here are basically

1704
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:52.840
the four species you are likely to see in this area.

1705
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.880
These two species are basically offshore species, and they only

1706
01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:01.039
occasionally will wander into near shore waters. You can probably

1707
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:04.359
eliminate those two. This one here is a ground shark

1708
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.760
that lives on the bottom and is not known to

1709
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:11.000
attack humans. We can probably eliminate that one. That means

1710
01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:15.159
your most logical one is this species. They were doing

1711
01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:17.800
that same kind of thing. One of them suggested that

1712
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:20.359
the white shark was the most likely candidate, based on

1713
01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:23.159
his knowledge of the sharks and the area and the

1714
01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:28.119
habits of said shark. How would you describe scientist's knowledge

1715
01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:31.760
of sharks at the time. Very poor. Back in those days,

1716
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:34.840
sharks were basically unknown. There was little known about what

1717
01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:37.159
was going on in terms of their movement patterns and

1718
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:40.600
their ecology. There were a lot of preconceptions out there

1719
01:39:40.720 --> 01:39:44.600
that were quite erroneous, particularly in the public sector, where

1720
01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:48.159
the only source of information was anecdotal stories, newspapers and books,

1721
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:52.399
which usually portrayed sharks in a negative way. Historically, money

1722
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:55.479
went to study those animals that were economically most important.

1723
01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:58.640
There has always been money put into salmon, and there

1724
01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:02.239
is money put into tuna and cod. Sharks, by contrast,

1725
01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.439
never had a market per se. In fact, they had

1726
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:08.880
just the opposite. They were eating these important food fishes

1727
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:11.840
and were therefore not only of a no concern from

1728
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.640
a management standpoint, but something we really didn't want to

1729
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:17.840
have around those darn things are eating the good fish.

1730
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:20.760
As a result, research on sharks lagged far behind that

1731
01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.000
of other fishes all the way until the nineteen nineties.

1732
01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.119
That's really interesting because you'd think if you have a

1733
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:31.159
predator that's a problem for your salmon and things, then

1734
01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:33.840
you'd actually want to know what's going on with it

1735
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:38.279
so you can, you know, make it not come there.

1736
01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:42.119
Plus he doesn't reference sharkfin soup.

1737
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1738
01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:48.279
Very popular. I watched a movie the other night with

1739
01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:51.560
Richard Dreyfussen. It a newer shark movie, and at the

1740
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:55.119
end he gives a long speech about during the credits,

1741
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:58.840
he gives a long speech about shark conservation, and it

1742
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.960
was so clearly ritch and by like first generation chatch ept.

1743
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.840
Oh yeah, he says shark. He brings up the concept

1744
01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:09.239
of shark fin soup three different times, like it's saying

1745
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:10.319
the same thing again.

1746
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:14.279
Wow, it was rough. That's a dire sign.

1747
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.840
But uh, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll

1748
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:21.920
look into more of the uh uh, the the I

1749
01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:24.319
can't even think of the word I. I'm sorry, I'm

1750
01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:28.960
so tired into the dissection of the nineteen sixteen shark

1751
01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:39.880
attacks after this. All right, so as we go into

1752
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.439
a little bit more of this interview about the nineteen

1753
01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:45.199
sixteen shark attacks, and Michelle yawns again the moment the

1754
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:46.079
show starts.

1755
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:49.479
Sorry, why why I'm tired?

1756
01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.319
Am I boring? I mean because you're wait, how can

1757
01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:54.720
you be tired? You slept like a ton? You never

1758
01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:56.039
don't sleep? What? What?

1759
01:41:56.039 --> 01:41:58.640
What the hell doesn't mean I'm not tired.

1760
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:02.720
Now, I'm worried you're not getting RESTful, restorative sleep.

1761
01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:06.279
Oh maybe it's been hard this week because it's been

1762
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:08.600
very hot and it can't get to temperature. My ac

1763
01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:11.119
can't get to temperature, so I'm all sweaty and.

1764
01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:13.560
Oh yeah everything sleeping is the worst.

1765
01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:16.840
Yeah, yeah, I hate it me too.

1766
01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:19.039
Do you at least have a fan pointed at you?

1767
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:24.840
Yes? Damn yeah, it's rough man, so.

1768
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:31.079
Yeah. In newspaper accounts of the nineteen sixteen attacks, the

1769
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.520
shark is referred to as a quote sea monster and

1770
01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:40.800
a quote sea wolf. Oh yay, yay, which it's basically

1771
01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:46.159
seal at that point, because they're like sea dogs. Yeah,

1772
01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:51.199
I don't know, he responds exactly. It is unfortunate when

1773
01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:54.039
we still see remnants of that today. I'll have a

1774
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.560
little game with you. You drink a beer every time

1775
01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:00.720
you hear the expression shark infested waters. See how drunk

1776
01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.640
you get Whenever a boat goes down or an airplane

1777
01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:06.239
goes down, we hear that kind of thing. I correct,

1778
01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:09.640
folks all the time. Sharks don't infest waters, they live

1779
01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:13.600
in them. Lice infest they are parasites. There is still

1780
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:17.680
a bias in that sort of thought process today. What

1781
01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:18.920
Chell doesn't agree.

1782
01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:24.199
Lice also live in places. Oh so, I'm not sure

1783
01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:25.600
how I feel about that statement.

1784
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.319
But well, he's not a lice expert, that's for sure. Yeah,

1785
01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:29.920
he's a shark expert, I guess.

1786
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:31.159
Yeah.

1787
01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:34.159
Oh, but here's this one's really interesting. What drew the

1788
01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:38.640
shark close to the shore for the attacks. One of

1789
01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:41.760
the most popular theories was one that we hear today,

1790
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:45.159
that is, there is not enough fish for the sharks

1791
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:47.920
to eat, so therefore they are going to eat humans.

1792
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:50.239
The people who are most likely to say it today

1793
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:53.119
are sport fishermen who aren't catching the same amount or

1794
01:43:53.159 --> 01:43:57.000
the same size of fish that they once did. Back

1795
01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:01.079
in nineteen sixteen, it was commercial fishermen who were saying it.

1796
01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:05.279
It's not a real defensible argument. There was a guy

1797
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:08.079
who wrote to the editor of the New York Times

1798
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:10.800
saying that these sharks were following U boats across from

1799
01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:14.720
the Eastern Atlantic. It was almost an implication that it

1800
01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:18.039
was a German plot. The world was at war in

1801
01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:21.359
Europe and the anti German sentiment was high. All kinds

1802
01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:24.600
of strange things, Although it is hard to go back

1803
01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:27.239
in time and always dangerous to make analogies like this.

1804
01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:30.000
It could have been a shark that was either injured

1805
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:34.199
or had some sort of deformity it became a deranged killer.

1806
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:37.960
We know, for instance, that lions or elephants with injuries

1807
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.960
to their feet or a rotten tooth have sometimes been

1808
01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:44.359
implicated in attacks on humans because they are feeling pain

1809
01:44:44.479 --> 01:44:47.720
from these other things. The same kind of thing can

1810
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.359
occur in a white shark. It is very unusual for sharks,

1811
01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:55.079
though we don't have very many instances in all of

1812
01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:58.600
our studies on sharks, where we can attribute multiple attacks

1813
01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:02.720
to a single individual, the so called rogue shark. That

1814
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:05.319
theory was in vogue in the nineteen fifties as a

1815
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:08.439
result of a researcher in Australia who pushed it, but

1816
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.279
it fell by the wayside since then, and the general

1817
01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:17.359
feeling is that shark attacks are one off kinds of events. Yeah,

1818
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:19.319
so are you less afraid of sharks now or more?

1819
01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:21.920
No? I'm the same amount afraid of sharks. Now.

1820
01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:26.159
What if I what would what if we did a

1821
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:32.560
shark cage tour? Okay, shark Yeah, they dunk you in

1822
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:33.319
the water though.

1823
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:37.600
Well yeah, but usually you have like a scuba.

1824
01:45:37.239 --> 01:45:41.319
Scuba year yeah yeah, yeah, so you would you would

1825
01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:42.600
swim with sharks in a cage?

1826
01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:46.520
I mean if it's a really good solid cage, sure, yeah.

1827
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:48.680
How would you confirm that the cage is up to

1828
01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:50.000
your to your stuff?

1829
01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:53.680
I have to like kick it first, like like like

1830
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:54.479
a used car.

1831
01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:59.399
Yeah, you just kick it that he slapped the cage.

1832
01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:02.319
Some bitch is gonna hold all kinds of humans that

1833
01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:03.199
aren't gonna get eaten.

1834
01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:07.600
Yeah, yeah, all right.

1835
01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:10.119
The next question was what actions were taken in these

1836
01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.479
New Jersey towns after the string of attacks began on

1837
01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:16.800
the coast of Many On the coast, many communities put

1838
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:20.119
up fences around their beaches. Other communities put up money

1839
01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.359
or rewards to people who could bring in the sharks

1840
01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:27.920
so much so much per head per shark, which prompted

1841
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:30.319
a bunch of fishermen to go out and fish. Shark

1842
01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:33.079
fishing became the rage. One of the newspapers declared it

1843
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.600
a new sport. It is like what happened when the

1844
01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:38.079
book and the movie Jaws came out in the nineteen seventies.

1845
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.640
It spawned a huge upswing and recreational fishing for sharks

1846
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:45.359
with fishing tournaments. There was this collective testosterone rush that

1847
01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:48.119
occurred on the East coast of the United States following

1848
01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:50.359
those events, because every guy wanted to go out and

1849
01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:52.920
catch a shark, have his picture taken with his foot

1850
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:54.640
on the head of a shark, and have a shark

1851
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:56.239
jaw hanging up in his house.

1852
01:46:58.079 --> 01:46:59.119
People are terrible.

1853
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:02.560
Don't want a shark jaw hanging in your living room? No,

1854
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:04.239
And what the hell am I supposed to get you

1855
01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:04.920
for Christmas?

1856
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:09.319
I don't know. I mean, I could, I could, I

1857
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.840
don't know to some other kind of jaw please.

1858
01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:18.199
Okay, got it. The next question was the rogue shark

1859
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:22.279
was ultimately caught, right. The final story was that a

1860
01:47:22.279 --> 01:47:25.039
white shark was caught nearby. According to the newspapers of

1861
01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:27.199
the time, it yielded body parts of two of the

1862
01:47:27.279 --> 01:47:30.840
victims from Mattawan Creek. The shark itself was put on

1863
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.600
display in somebody's shop in New York and yielded a

1864
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.760
nice dividend of the money for the owner who charged

1865
01:47:36.920 --> 01:47:41.479
so much per head to see it. I wouldn't pay

1866
01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:42.479
to see a shark jaw.

1867
01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:46.880
I wouldn't pay to see a dead shark that killed people.

1868
01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:56.399
Would you pay to see a live shark that killed people? Yeah?

1869
01:47:56.439 --> 01:47:59.199
The question we at the International Shark Attack File have

1870
01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:01.680
is how how good was the report that the animal

1871
01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:05.520
was one one a white shark, and two really had

1872
01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:08.319
human remains that could be identified as those two people.

1873
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:11.199
Of course, we don't have the benefit of the kinds

1874
01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:13.680
of things we would have today, such as good photographs

1875
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.520
of that shark. We could have used photographs to confirm

1876
01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:19.840
the species. Also, there was no coroner's report to prove

1877
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.720
the human remains part. All we can do is believe

1878
01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:24.840
what was said in the press. At the time, the

1879
01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:30.439
press identified it as a white shark, So.

1880
01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:35.600
Wow, So we don't really know. We don't know because

1881
01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:37.840
it could have been that they caught a shark in

1882
01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:39.680
the area and they were like, well, let's just say

1883
01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:41.800
it was the shark, so people stop freaking out.

1884
01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.920
I mean, that's oh, I mean, and that's There's a

1885
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.439
saying in the Carny called kill the oldest elephant? Have

1886
01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:53.760
ever told you that one? I don't think, so I

1887
01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:58.720
use it sometimes like as an analogy for just doing

1888
01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:01.600
what will hurt you the least and appease the people

1889
01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:05.520
who are ignorant. And basically in the old days of

1890
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:10.479
the Carney, inevitably, as you're traveling, you have elephants, and

1891
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.800
inevitably an elephant is going to kill somebody because somebody

1892
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:17.680
is going to go where they're not supposed to and

1893
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:19.279
get killed.

1894
01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:20.880
Yeah, elephants are dangerous.

1895
01:49:21.079 --> 01:49:23.520
They're super dangerous and kill you really easy. It takes

1896
01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:25.640
like no effort at all for them to just smush you.

1897
01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.000
So the saying was, you know what, because when somebody

1898
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.439
got killed by an elephant, word would spread. Everybody gets

1899
01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:37.159
super mad and they'd want that elephant killed. But it

1900
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.119
would usually be a younger elephant that did it, but

1901
01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:42.159
you don't really know which elephant did any right, Yeah,

1902
01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:45.159
so the rule was you just picked the oldest elephant

1903
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.680
killed it and then like presented like, look, I killed

1904
01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:51.840
the elephant that killed your townsperson. Everybody cheers, and then

1905
01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:54.239
they feel like they got their revenge and in reality,

1906
01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:59.079
all you did was feed their ignorant desire for revenge

1907
01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:04.640
or whatever and hurt your business the least. Yeah. Yeah,

1908
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:06.640
and yeah, sometimes I say that when I feel like,

1909
01:50:06.680 --> 01:50:08.359
when I'm dealing with people who don't really understand what's

1910
01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:09.680
going on, I'll say, like, I guess it's time to

1911
01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.800
kill the oldest elephant, and that's yeah, it's it's a

1912
01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:17.560
horrible saying, but it is what it is.

1913
01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:18.720
Yeah.

1914
01:50:18.840 --> 01:50:24.079
So but with that being said, we're gonna take a

1915
01:50:24.119 --> 01:50:26.920
break and wrap things up talking about horror media and

1916
01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:30.239
maybe some stuff on Reddit, if Chell will bless us

1917
01:50:30.279 --> 01:50:42.840
with it. Okay, right after this, as we wrap up

1918
01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:48.720
this month's monthly Spooky, I hope everybody's having a good

1919
01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:55.159
and not too brutally hot summer. We're at the tail

1920
01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:57.960
end of a heat wave here in Ohio and this

1921
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:02.199
part of Ohio at least, so it's been very warm.

1922
01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:05.039
But now cell I'm jealous of Chell because it's like

1923
01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:06.479
seventy degrees where you are.

1924
01:51:07.039 --> 01:51:11.960
Yeah, if it's seventy, honestly must be nice. It's chili.

1925
01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:15.199
I'm chili. I have to close most of my windows

1926
01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:16.399
because I'm cold.

1927
01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.319
Oh, poor bastard.

1928
01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:21.399
Yeah.

1929
01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:26.279
Well, this month was not a very exciting month for

1930
01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:30.399
horror movies in the theater. It was an exciting month

1931
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:34.439
for movies in general in the theater because I saw

1932
01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:37.560
the new Mission Impossible. I saw a Fight or Flight,

1933
01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:41.600
which was really fun action movie on an airplane. I

1934
01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:44.880
saw Friendship, which was one of the most bizarre, dark

1935
01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:48.640
comedy things I've ever seen, but I really liked it.

1936
01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:52.199
I saw karate Kid Legends, which was pure fan service,

1937
01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.199
but I'm the exact audience. It's four, so I loved it.

1938
01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:57.319
But it wasn't like it didn't reinvent the wheel or

1939
01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.680
bring anything new, but it was really fun. Then I

1940
01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:04.560
saw a Ballerina, the John Wick action movie that was

1941
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:06.600
really cool too. So I mean there were a lot

1942
01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:08.279
of movies I saw in the theater that were pretty

1943
01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:13.199
pretty fun. But I saw actually two horror films in

1944
01:52:13.239 --> 01:52:16.359
the theater since we last spoke. One of them was

1945
01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:20.800
a film weird. No, this was not planned. Dangerous Animals,

1946
01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:27.039
which is about killer sharks. Oh, but there's a twist.

1947
01:52:27.239 --> 01:52:30.960
It is about a serial killer who uses sharks to

1948
01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:32.359
kill his victims.

1949
01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.600
Oh wow, that sounds like that would be hard to

1950
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:38.279
do unless you just put them in a tank with

1951
01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:40.000
the sharks.

1952
01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:42.399
It is. Actually, that's one of the elements is that

1953
01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:44.520
he puts like an immense amount of effort into it.

1954
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.880
So he's basically he's a psycho because he was mulled

1955
01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:49.680
by a shark when he was a kid as a

1956
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:55.960
giant scar and now he videotapes. He basically he does

1957
01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:59.720
shark He has a boat and he does like shark tourism.

1958
01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:03.199
But when people come to him that it's very clear

1959
01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:05.800
he could get away with like making them disappear. He

1960
01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:10.399
will kidnap a woman and basically chums the water still

1961
01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:12.640
the sharks are going crazy, and then dunks them in

1962
01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:17.720
the water and videotapes it. He keeps taping. Also, one

1963
01:53:17.720 --> 01:53:19.239
of the things I thought was really cool is he

1964
01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.760
takes a lock of this victim's hair and he makes

1965
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:25.239
it into a fishing lure, which I was like, that's

1966
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:29.000
really clever. My favorite thing about the movie though, is

1967
01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:31.640
that the bad guy keeps talking, you know about like

1968
01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:34.319
you have to understand that you're not a predator in

1969
01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:37.119
these waters like I am, like they are, and like

1970
01:53:37.159 --> 01:53:39.159
all this stuff, and every time I was like, oh

1971
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:40.760
my god. And then the main character when he start

1972
01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:42.119
saying that shit to the main character, she goes like,

1973
01:53:42.119 --> 01:53:43.920
oh my god, do you just love the way your

1974
01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:46.279
voice sounds because you never shut up, she says to him.

1975
01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:49.560
I was like, oh my god, thank you. Like I mean,

1976
01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:53.479
I really enjoyed the film. I had minimal expectations for it,

1977
01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:56.720
and I really had a great time with it. And

1978
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.239
then the other one I saw was Bring Her Back,

1979
01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:03.079
which is a that's a more mainstream theatrical release. It's

1980
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:08.119
directed by the people who did Oh my Gosh, I'll

1981
01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:12.399
never remember the name of it. I I psyched myself out.

1982
01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:17.399
They did another movie with three words and I'll see

1983
01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:22.720
I'm doing such a bad job. It's called I hate

1984
01:54:22.720 --> 01:54:26.560
that I'm talk to me. Okay, they did. They're Australian

1985
01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:29.399
filmmakers and they did talk to Me, which was pretty

1986
01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:33.720
pretty good. Bring Her Back was also pretty damn good.

1987
01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:40.439
It involves a very long creepy and interestingly convoluted story

1988
01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:42.760
about a woman trying to bring her dead daughter back

1989
01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.840
to life. It was going to be that, yeah, but

1990
01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:49.239
it gets really wild because like there's an entire like

1991
01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:53.680
you know, black magic sub thing that you are like

1992
01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:56.720
figuring it out as you go, and they never explain

1993
01:54:56.800 --> 01:54:58.399
like where she learns all the stuff she has, like

1994
01:54:58.479 --> 01:55:01.279
videotapes teaching her how to do the like rituals and stuff.

1995
01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:04.920
It's really really cool cool, and I did enjoy the

1996
01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:06.439
hell out of it. I thought it was really creepy.

1997
01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:09.159
There was one problem I had, and I won't say

1998
01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:11.600
exactly what because it'll spoil the film, but there was

1999
01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:15.720
one major logical flaw. I don't mind logic flaws and

2000
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:17.920
horror movies and action movies and stuff like that, but

2001
01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:22.279
the problem is that if that one flaw did if

2002
01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:24.640
that one flaw didn't exist, the whole movie wouldn't happen

2003
01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:25.279
like at all.

2004
01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:27.520
Oh yeah, So, like.

2005
01:55:27.479 --> 01:55:29.279
I didn't hate it because of that, but that one

2006
01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:30.960
definitely kind of stuck with me. I was like, damn it,

2007
01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.920
that part doesn't make any sense and if you removed

2008
01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:36.640
that then the movie would just be over. Yeah, the

2009
01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:38.359
whole movie not just like a part of it, like

2010
01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:40.439
it would just all be over. So but I did

2011
01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:42.600
enjoy I enjoyed Bring Her Back quite a bit and

2012
01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:45.439
it was really freaky to see in the theater. There

2013
01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:49.720
are some like outwardly disturbing, like cringe inducing moments that

2014
01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:55.439
I really liked. Cool sochell, what you have for us

2015
01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:57.880
in the Reddit creepies world?

2016
01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:02.880
Okay, first, I just wanted to say that upcoming anime

2017
01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:07.640
season is starting this week basically, and there are a

2018
01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:10.560
bunch of shows that kind of border on horror sort

2019
01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:15.680
of but yeah, horror, but I won't go into all

2020
01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:19.119
of them. But The Summer Hiktu Died is going to start,

2021
01:56:19.479 --> 01:56:23.760
which is about a kid who has to deal with

2022
01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:26.760
the fact that his friend is no longer his friend

2023
01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:30.279
and some other monster has taken over his body. So

2024
01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:36.359
it's pretty good. It's really really gay, and there's like

2025
01:56:36.399 --> 01:56:39.119
a lot of body horror. So if you're interested in

2026
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:41.720
any of those things that's going to be starting. I

2027
01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:43.720
think it's on. I think frenchy Rol has it. I'm

2028
01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:46.600
not sure. So what was the title again, The Summer

2029
01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:47.399
Hikadu Died.

2030
01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:52.199
The Summer Hiktu Died. Nice. Yeah, I appreciate you giving

2031
01:56:52.239 --> 01:56:53.159
out the recommends.

2032
01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:58.119
So anyway read it, I.

2033
01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:00.000
Was gonna I was gonna plug your podcast really quick

2034
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:02.439
because if you are into anime and you didn't know,

2035
01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:06.680
Michelle has a podcast called Michelle Explains Anime Poorly and

2036
01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:09.159
you should definitely check it out on your favorite podcasting app.

2037
01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:12.479
I don't know, but we're doing eighty six right now,

2038
01:57:13.199 --> 01:57:15.680
which is going okay.

2039
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:20.880
So so as far as Reddick goes, how we what

2040
01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:21.279
do we got?

2041
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:26.000
That's creepy, not too much, but there was an interesting

2042
01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:29.600
glitch in the matrix post so that the poster the

2043
01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:34.800
op said that like they so they were making they

2044
01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:36.840
needed some mayo and they were like they had a

2045
01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:38.720
jar of mayo that was like almost empty and they

2046
01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:40.399
were like putting it on the bread and they're like, okay,

2047
01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:42.199
I need more mayo. So they go in the cabinet

2048
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:44.199
and to get the new mayo and they're trying to

2049
01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:46.920
open you know, like the little seal on it, and

2050
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:49.479
like they can't do it for some reason. So they

2051
01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:51.760
try with their teeth, but they have like a hurt tooth,

2052
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.399
so it really hurts. So they're like, what the fuck

2053
01:57:53.399 --> 01:57:55.760
am I doing? So they open it with a knife instead,

2054
01:57:55.960 --> 01:57:58.439
No bigdeal, lick off the mayo, throw it in the

2055
01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:01.680
garbage can, of course, and then start to use the mayo.

2056
01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:06.920
The next day, she goes to get mayo for her

2057
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:10.319
son because they want to have fish sticks and he

2058
01:58:10.399 --> 01:58:12.399
wants tartar sauce. So she's like, I'll just make it

2059
01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:14.600
with the mayo because I don't have any opens the

2060
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:18.760
refrigerator and there's no mayo in the refrigerator, so she's like, oh, fuck,

2061
01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:21.039
I put it back in the cabinet after I opened it.

2062
01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:24.680
So she opens the cabinet and finds the mayo, but

2063
01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:27.800
it isn't opened at all. It's still sealed, and she's like,

2064
01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:31.079
what the fuck? I used it yesterday and I had

2065
01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:33.199
this whole big thing where like I hurt my tooth

2066
01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:37.880
and stuff. So like, so she's like, well, what was

2067
01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.199
there another? Is there another Mayo? And she's like going

2068
01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:43.760
through everything trying to find another mayo that's opened, can't

2069
01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:47.359
find anything, starts going through the garbage and finds the

2070
01:58:48.159 --> 01:58:50.960
like lid that she pulled off in the garbage.

2071
01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:57.600
Oh my god, So what the fuck A I mean,

2072
01:58:57.680 --> 01:58:59.840
my first thought would be that, you know, you just

2073
01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:02.880
kind of mistakenly used up the last little bit of

2074
01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:05.479
Mao from something else and thought you would open the

2075
01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:08.159
new one. Because I've had moments, have you ever I've

2076
01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:10.720
thought like, oh, there's a branch or I've thought like, oh,

2077
01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:13.399
I started a Mayo or a jar of peanut butter

2078
01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:15.159
or whatever, and then I find it and it's closed,

2079
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:16.680
like it's it's still sealed.

2080
01:59:18.199 --> 01:59:22.680
They usually don't do that, but like, but the thing is,

2081
01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:26.640
apparently this person is really meticulous about how they open

2082
01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:30.279
their their jars. So there's no way that they left

2083
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:34.479
on part of the lid because it like really bothers them.

2084
01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:37.840
So I still don't understand, like what that's from.

2085
01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:41.520
Hmmm, I mean, but that could technically be from almost anything.

2086
01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:46.880
The Mayo lid on the thing, the seal, the freshness seal.

2087
01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.199
Right, yeah, but it like had writing on it like

2088
01:59:49.239 --> 01:59:52.800
it was from Mayo. It was the same as the Mayo. See,

2089
01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:56.079
I would have to see what she like posted them,

2090
01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:59.560
and they're the same because she like took it out

2091
01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:01.279
of the gar bridge to show us.

2092
02:00:01.600 --> 02:00:03.960
Okay, well then that's fair. I mean that's a that

2093
02:00:03.960 --> 02:00:11.520
one would weird me out. Yeah, does she have carbon monoxide?

2094
02:00:11.880 --> 02:00:17.359
Probably not? Ah, Yeah, she probably just beats the whole

2095
02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:20.359
jar of mayo and then doesn't remember.

2096
02:00:21.039 --> 02:00:22.960
I mean, it's good to block out those kinds of

2097
02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:30.920
memories for your for your own sake, yeah mayo. Oh,

2098
02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:35.000
I appreciate that glitch in the matrix because that one's relatable.

2099
02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:36.960
I feel like sometimes I'm like, wait, I thought I

2100
02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:39.119
used all of whatever, or oh, I thought I opened

2101
02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:42.079
a new jar of whatever. So that one is making

2102
02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:45.520
me wonder if I'm not just I don't just have

2103
02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:49.479
a relaxed brain or whatever, but but that I may

2104
02:00:49.600 --> 02:00:51.880
just be passing through multi verses.

2105
02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:52.439
Yeah.

2106
02:00:52.800 --> 02:00:55.199
Yeah, it makes a lot more sense to me being

2107
02:00:55.239 --> 02:00:56.199
a little dumb.

2108
02:00:57.159 --> 02:00:58.880
I think so, because.

2109
02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:03.640
That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. Well,

2110
02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:07.079
on that shockingly high note, I think it's time we

2111
02:01:07.159 --> 02:01:10.359
say goodbye for this month. But I appreciate everybody joining

2112
02:01:10.439 --> 02:01:12.960
us at the end of the month for Monthly Spooky.

2113
02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:15.199
I do have a good time with it. I am

2114
02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.399
very very exhausted this week, so I hope that the

2115
02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:22.960
show was fun. But I'm coping right now. I'm like, sorry,

2116
02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:25.399
but but we do appreciate it. And if this is

2117
02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:28.119
your first time listening to Monthly Spooky, just remember at

2118
02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:30.439
the end of every month here at Weekly Spooky Speed

2119
02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:32.880
we do another episode where we talk about a new

2120
02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:36.399
topic and cover news stories, although next month will also

2121
02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:39.279
probably be very much related to the Deaf Chat Bushrooms

2122
02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:43.319
court case because I am dying to know what happens next.

2123
02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:46.880
So with all that being said, we'll see you guys

2124
02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:49.920
next month, and we'll see you here Wednesday for another

2125
02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:52.840
episode of Weekly Spooky as we begin a brand new

2126
02:01:52.920 --> 02:01:56.760
mini series, so make sure you check that out. It's

2127
02:01:56.760 --> 02:02:00.479
called Deadly Second Chances. So with all that, and shall

2128
02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.159
find a word from you, amen.

2129
02:02:06.279 --> 02:02:07.520
So that now that was said,